So we'll start the meeting of the only time for the finance committee and we are starting out with the CPA committee. And I'll let you introduce your people and they just jump into it. I'm Clarissa Monroe, I'm chair of the committee until after town meeting. And these are my two vice chairs. And Dave Swanson, and they will interrupt me whenever they think I need to amplify anything. Mostly what I'm here to talk about is the money. And I think you've gotten this lovely spreadsheet. Today I panic because I only had the old spreadsheet. Anyway, we got more applications this year than we've ever, ever had. Which is good. And we got more money. And we have a lot of turn back money too, from other past projects, but we're really pleased with what we've come up with. You'll see that we didn't find one on the last picnic and play ground and we're going to win for. Robin's Memorial Garden, but we did find the others. And I think what we should do is, you know, do you want to interrupt me? Should I just go through a presentation quickly? And you have questions. We've all seen the presentation, but why don't you go through quickly knowing that we've seen it. Okay. We stop at certain questions. Community housing. We're very pleased with the results here. The housing corporation of Arlington came in with a request for 750. We changed it to 500,000 because the Arlington affordable housing trust said that they would use their grant of 250 to make up the difference. And that was really good because we were a million dollars over budget. So we really appreciated their working with us and trying to get us to a place where everybody would be happy. And we give them a little extra money at the end of the night. The Somerville Homeless Coalition is a wonderful organization that very large some is the difference between the rental income and what the Arlington residents need to pay. The housing housing. Housing building, roof replacement. That is not as much as they asked for, but we had that leftover. It's in process anyway. It's a wonderful building that's leaking. So when you have a leaking roof, you need to fix it. And the monotony manner window replacement project is the second phase of our working with them. We're hoping very soon there's going to be windows in there. The open space and recreation section. Hills Hill, as I'm sure you've all heard about, is probably the most talked about and most controversial CPA project we've ever had. And we got over 200 emails. Jim Feeney got phone calls. I got phone calls. I had people visiting me at my home. And what we did was come up with a compromise, I think, where a member of the open space committee will be incorporated in the working group. We'll have a tree inventory of the whole property. And the chosen designer will have to put two alternatives forward. And if the preferred concept puts the hook track in the woods, then they have to come back to the committee prior to construction for our okay. So I think that that's a pretty good compromise. We tried our best. And that's what we came up with. The other ones are really wonderful projects, all ones invasive vegetation removal. Historic preservation project 22. Lane feasibility study and no name preservation is also an open space one. The orchard signage is a girl scout project. And we're happy to be able to fund them that big some in historic preservation. The Arlington friends for the drama, and I believe Judy's here to talk about it if she needs to. And that's going to be the mechanical system in the exterior of the wonderful building. We have another Cyrus down art museum, where they're doing more document ditches, I can't ever say this. You know what it is. And then we have foot of the rocks. Battlefield Memorial I see that Alice not here. That's a good thing because he's the performance. The Jason house. I think this is the last project we're going to do with them. They had a very good preservation project at the very beginning to figure out what they should be doing. And they have since then, done, I think now five projects or will do five projects that sort of ate away at that, that preservation plan. One of the reasons that I sent you the town hall envelope preservation phase one is because our town hall is not in good shape. And I sent that report to you all, because I thought it was important that the finance community look at it really carefully, and eventually the capital plan to because I think CPA is not expensive. It's not, we don't have enough money we get about $2 million a year. This is a big project. I have to write reading that report I'm not going to go back in the front door. Something's fixed.  We have about 55% of our total, but we never do it's usually between two, over 2%. So with that, I'll stop talking and ask for questions. And my able people here will help me. Before we open up to questions, how much was turned back. I don't get that right in front of me. Yeah, I think about 600,000. One was from her field, about 400,000 from her field and 200,000 from our housing authority. Yeah, that's right. Oh, the electrical panels. Yeah, the electric. Yeah, they have that. That's the. That's already, we funded an emergency funding for them last spring after the fire. And they turn that money back to us because it's not for the money. And that's all being done now. I think it's done now.  So let's start with community housing questions on the community housing. Anybody have any questions. No questions on community housing. Caroline. So I'm assuming the 10 sun inside is a done deal, but it is one of the other places that we could have industry there, which would increase tax base without services. Having to also increase services. And so I'm wondering why we keep transitioning our industry space to housing space because we've done the same thing at my rack. And that was a huge area where now they've increased the need for services for people without significant increase in tax. And so we've picked another spot I know it's very small compared to that. But I'm wondering. Well, I think that the property was on sale for quite a long time. And I think that this is, I've seen the architectural plans they're excellent. And that's my field. So I am, you know, I think it's a really good project. I was glad to see a house incorporation of Arlington back in the game. So I agree with that. So if you go by the site now, you'll see it's definitely in need of help. Is it in the floodplain because I know some of our other mixed, you know, mixed income lower income housing is in floodplain. Yes, it is, you know, completely right. But no, I don't believe that's in the floodplain. Okay, I'll double check them. Okay, because I just hate to see us. Any other questions like community housing. Any questions on open space recreation. Yeah, I'm just curious about the math. So, early to affordable housing time was given 370, but then they also gave sunny side 250. Yeah. Okay. And that 370, what was that for again, was that for a separate project or is that sort of the other things go ahead. Yeah. So they asked for 250. It's to implement their five year plan. And they had several proposed projects that they might use it for. And then they came up with the idea of giving 250.  Okay, it was fantastic because they have to demonstrate local support, the Harlem housing corporation of Arlington. So this way they can demonstrate support from two local entities. So it was kind of a win-win. So then when we had more money left over, we gave some back. So this includes the 250. So, I have to say the sunny side. By it as no sidewalks right now, no greenery at all. It's going to be really nice. And 43 units permanently affordable. Topher. I was going to have a question. So just so I'm clear on Hills Hill, since I'm, I'm precinct 15. I'm sure all about it. So, so even if you've approved the 400,000 contingent on some number of the open space committee being in the work. I know they said it's a concept. It's a concept. This is not the final plan. So the final plan will be developed. I'm an inventory of the trees. And okay. And you said to have to come up with two plans. And I saw the open space. You have said, you know, developing it with environmental. That was one of the letters I saw. So do I have all that right? Yes, you do. And I think the, although we didn't hold back the money, they have to come back to us. If they're putting the pump track or, you know, believe it should be. Can I make a comment about this? Of course you can. So unfortunately, the feasibility plan had some scary pictures. But really the community doesn't want. It had like trees cleared. And it had among the possibilities was an asphalt pump track. And none of the mountain bikers in the community that we've spoken with want one or have heard of one. So I think the feasibility plan, which was done by a group that's probably not going to be the contract. And I think it was a minor. It caused a lot of fear. So. Yeah. So the input was really important. Like all the community. Yeah. That you had to, it was good to know what was. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. He had, he was wonderful. I thought he was. Very civil and, and hope. Yeah. I really enjoyed working with him. And I think the most important thing. About Hills Hill is that there will be the park and recreation commission has to hire a landscape. I thought the plan that was shown to us and to you all. Was awful. Honestly. I mean, that's the graphics were terrible. Yeah. But it was just, it was, they were trying to sell a product. And they weren't sensitive to the site at all. They didn't. It could have been anywhere. So, you know, we know that they're going to hire. They're going to hire. They're going to hire. They're going to hire. They're going to hire. The next minute. And the group that's really gotten involved is member of the New England mountain biking association. And. I know some of them personally, and they're very into sustainable trail design. And they care about the wilderness and they volunteer. And they're part of the community. So the fact that they would be involved. You know, perhaps on the design committee, I think it's probably theho. Yeah, it's probably the best. That just in general is like. Recreational assets. Yeah. We can't. No, you don't find fun maintenance, but. And it's park and recreation. Go back into. Goes back into their. Their basket. Yup. But also sounds like something is going to happen. Coming out the other. I don't know. And one of the things that, you know, I, I don't know how much. How many emails the park and recreation. People got, but we shared a lot.  So, but a lot of support. And a lot of support. And one of the nice things is a lot of kids. Really young teenagers wrote us. And that was really wonderful. Yeah, that was in your application. Yeah, it was. And I, you know, I was very touched by that. I'm an open space person. And I went in with a heavy heart. And I came out as an advocate. So. One other question. Just a liability, like someone's on a home track or something like that. It's hard. How does that work? It's the town's liability. Yeah. Like skating. I mean, like a lot of sports. You know, you don't have the kind of liability you would have on your private property because it's a public. Right. Yeah. But we don't really know how much it would cost to maintain this. No, we don't. And we don't have a really viable design at all. So, you know, the next year, coming up with a viable design. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Continue maintenance. All of the parking wreck. Well, maybe not for playgrounds. I'm awful on the parking lot program to have a revenue. Because it's supposed to break even. Is there any revenue component in the. Like. No. So. There's discussion of classes. For example, bike rentals. I don't know. Especially people were concerned about children with limited incomes and could they afford these bikes? So Joe's talked about having bike rentals and perhaps classes. So maybe there'd be some revenue associated with the classes. I don't know beyond that. You know, and I don't think there's any plan to charge admission or anything. But who knows. Except we'd have to come up with wanting to buy the bikes. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. He's talked about because they have skate rentals. You know, and it's, and also partnering with bike shops. Maybe. Does the bike shop right there? You know, there might be better. Better idea. Yeah. Are you any more questions now? Questions. Charlie. Thank you. So I have two questions. The invasive vegetation removal. Where is that going to take place? It's a feasibility study. For to look at the invasive. The invasive vegetation town wide. And to determine who's responsible for it and. Issues like that. So, you know, we get an earlier. It's a study of sort of the pieces of land that nobody's taking care of.  So it's that's what they're. They're looking at and coming up with a plan for how to maintain it. And then milk with preservation buffer and. This is for the linear park. Going west from. Say those three. You're the best supply. Yeah. Well, there was a multi. I'm just trying to understand the numbers. I think. There has been in process. Right. Project to. Put a walking path along the Millbrook. And I think some of it was funded by the capital planning. A couple of years ago. I don't know what the status is, but is this related to that? Well, I think what would happen was there was a lot of. The park and recreation department had a lot of work that they were doing, but they were sort of leaving out the natural. Features. So this project is trying to make up for that. And it's buffering the walking trail from the active recreation. Who's, who's doing it? It's a conservation commission. I don't, I assume. That they won't be doing it themselves with that figure. The concert. David Morgan. Yeah, David Morgan is the conservation. But this was more associated with the herd field project and a reservoir. Project. And that was where people started to realize that Millbrook wasn't getting the attention. And it's not going to affect the dam. That was one of our concerns. So this is. This is a way west. Yeah, way west. Yeah. It's not that walk. I don't know exactly where the walking is, but it's not that. No, it's really to protect, to. Protect the banks and stabilize it and. Thank you. Just to give you on Hills Hills. Going back to the early 80s. It was. Drift by pass. And it was run through. Recreation in conjunction with the Odyssey and junior high. And it was the seventh and eighth graders. And all the bikes that motorbikes. They were donated by it. It was a business on summer street. Mr. Woodburn stole place. They don't donate it everything. No one said a word. That's great. Those were the day thing. So just some history as far as. Bicycles. That's great. Wow. Other questions. Now these are human power. Carolyn. So. Where is no name Brooke? I should have brought a map. Yeah. That is also, it's near the bike trail. And you know where the downing square project is? That's back behind there. This really litter stream. Nasty brook. You can, you can cross at certain places to get. Onto the bike trail. Okay. It's that. Okay. And hopefully we'll get a new name. There's going to be a contest. Yeah. We're going to make it a contest. But it's the same sort of. The conservation commission is looking at the neglected spaces. Which I think is a wonderful thing to be going down. And then the under the invasive. So that's invasives on land, not water bodies. Yes. Okay. And where is the orchard? For the orchard signage. Wellington Park. Wellington Park. It's back behind there. My husband and I found it by accident. You know, the UO. Places. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's really sweet. You know. Yes. So you can go pick for Darren. Why? Because I grew up by Robin's farm by the basketball court. And that was Robin's orchard. And when we were kids. We used to throw rotten apples at each other. Like any normal kid. Right. So we're just going to say. The good thing is that there are other locations where there could potentially be a public orchard. I think it's a good test case. It's not attracting a lot of rats. And, you know, reason, reason would be the people who make the orchard. I think it's a good test case. It's not attracting a lot of rats. And, you know, The hope is that the girl scouts will sort of raise some money towards the 2,500. As well. Park and recreation doesn't like just to give money without them doing that. I think it's a good test case. It's not attracting a lot of rats and, you know, reasonably people to maintain. I think it could be. In other places, including. Yeah. Yeah. And. The hope is that the girl scouts will sort of raise some money towards the 2,500. I think it's a good test case. Park and recreation doesn't like just to give money without them doing fundraising. The boy scouts always fundraise. So the girl scouts are going to have to fundraise. Other questions. Thanks. So there, you said there's going to be, they're going to have to submit the design back to open to two folks for review. Is that sort of written somewhere? Yeah. What we do after the 10 meeting vote. As we put, we have sort of a contract with everybody. And we put the conditions of the award in the contract. Okay. So we'll be sort of described there. Absolutely. And I, I believe it's going to. Come back to us if the pump track is in the books. Yes. I'm sorry. I was going to say it is stated in the minutes. We made sure that it was part of the form. I asked whether that was in any materials. That understanding everyone was in any of the materials. That we've seen. And writing. So the most of the trails are just trails, you know, like hiking trails. So they're less controversial, but the pump track, people were very concerned. So we said. If the pump track is going to be in the woods, we want to approve the design. And again, I think that the images on this very misleading feasibility study conjured up a lot of different thoughts by folks. Yeah. Yeah. Clear cutting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What is a pump track? I should have brought. I can talk about it. Okay. Coming. Yeah. But not, it's not going to be okay. As long as it's not the ones from that. Um, it just has bumps and then people practice. Right. Without peddling. Yeah. Yeah. See those. Russell mill is one good example. It winds around trees. And one of the questions we asked in the meetings was, um, could you even, because there are areas that don't have a lot of trees, there's brush. And we asked Joe if he could envision adding trees back, like if they put the pump track that would be dirt. Not as fault. Um, Would they plant trees? Along it to really give that winding kind of. Okay. And he said, yeah, I mean, we added trees in the reservoir. So. We're not against adding. Thank you. Sure. So the general question, let's CPA funding. I know what those stories are. Treasure. We don't get the money until it's been spent. And it approved. Is that true for all of the projects? Okay. Cause when I hear about it, we get the money back. We don't get the money back. It's. You don't take it out. If it doesn't meet the criteria. So there's a big carrot out there. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like. Well, we tried. Yeah. And I have to sign every invoice. Right. It's one of the hardest jobs. You don't get the money until you've done it according to the requirements. Yeah. Any other questions? Yeah. I'm looking at the budget. And I'm wondering whether or not somebody wants to. I'm just wondering. Educate us all about what. What is LIAHTC. I could take a stab at it. Is that again? Please in. What the federal program state program. I don't know which federal program that is. There are multiple funding sources and this must be a correct one that either the federal government or the state government has like usually I mean I think with Downing Square, there probably were six or eight, six to eight funders. So it's that I don't know that specific program. But it's obviously one that funds to for one. I was asking a question. So, you have to tell you what you would do. It's a housing tax credit program. So operation wants to offset their taxes and subsidize affordable housing in order to reduce the tax. Which is subsidizing housing. But as you said, it's it relates to the leverage that our money putting our money in leverages both those tax credits and it isn't possible for them to get the straight up loans for days. So that's why I don't know for a housing project like this you see all these different sources. And that's why those dollars are so important. Leverage our dollars. Yeah, so. Yes, our dollars are small. And Downing Square was huge the leverage. What did we, what did we like 600,000. Oh, I don't know. Small dollars on our purchasing big dollars. And that's why it's good for the housing corporation to have two sources of funding from the local. She was delighted Erica was delighted. Other questions. Anybody have any other questions. All right, well, thank you very much and I greatly appreciate your getting the materials to us. Thank you for your presentation. Do we not cover that. I thought we had. Any questions. So the windfield Robbins Memorial Garden. That's a fair amount of money. So I'm assuming are they building a new one are we landscaping it. I'm not giving them any money this year. Okay, because they haven't finished the money we gave them last year. Okay, so we decided when we were having this budget crunch. But what we would do is ask them to wait a year and get the work done. That was anticipated last year. What it is is. The garden was designed by. The garden was designed by the state's sons. And so it's a historic garden. And what they've done is they've got a plan. With plants that were planted back then. But now are. Makes sense. They're not putting. Plants that don't make sense in this world. So. That's what they're doing. And one of the problems with the. Proposal is it's. There's nobody doing the planting. I'm not. I'm just a little worried. Because the volunteers are my age. But Mr. Feeney has taken over. And this has helped him to do the second, you know, when what they were supposed to do. So this 89 is they're not getting. We're not getting it. Little X next to the. Rocks Park. And X next to. Well, well, Charlie. I didn't, they used to be a gardener in town took care of that garden. And, and I think that position went away in the early 80s. So is Jim Fede bringing that position back. I don't know he's got a outside landscape contractors going to do the prayer. It would be a great idea, Charlie. Oh, I just wonder where the money is coming from the operating budget. You know, I'll find out for you. I would imagine it's coming out of natural resources. Yeah. It sounds like, I mean, it's an increment. It just jumps out of me as the town. You know, stop spending my decades ago and now we're spending again. I'm not saying that we shouldn't, but I just wondered if we know about it. Yeah, and it's also, we've renovated the pool there. So it's, it's going to highlight the work. Can I just say something about the playground. Clarissa asked everybody who submitted more than one grant to prioritize. And so the. Park and rec prioritize Hills Hill over monotony rocks park, just the playground just temporarily for this year. But they do have work they can do on it that doesn't meet the funding. Yeah, because they're not abandoning. The playground. It was just a prioritization. And the other thing I wanted to say is about the house or roof. We also didn't cut their funding just. We didn't cut their funding. We didn't cut their funding. We didn't cut their funding. And they had, they got other funding. And they also prioritized and they asked to continue the window project. And they said, we have other funding. We're still going to do the roof, but we can, we'd appreciate any help. And the. The. The. You appreciate it. I was going to mention that I was in the rugs garden.  My understanding it was a volunteer. Oh, that's nice. You know, brought his crew into doing a lot of weeding. Great. So that's probably not a sustainable solution. No. And I think it's one of the sectors that's going to do the planning. When it's planning season. Other questions. Caroline. No, it's, um, I see that there are conservation commission on ones in here. Is it the conservation commission and water body submitting things every year or every couple of years because they've so much work to do. I would, we would like, I would like to see them do that. Yes. I would like to see them do that. I would like to see them do that. I would like to see them do that. I would like to see them do that. Almost every year they, they put it. And they're not big ticket items. Usually. So. Digitizing of documents. For. Just a question. We hear about. All needing to digitize all kinds of things. Is that. Feasible for them to come to you for help on that? I hope so. Planning. Planning. Big plans. We're hoping, I mean, the. Cyrus down museum has done a really outstanding job. They have wonderful consultants. And we're kind of hoping that the town will look at that as a model because I think it's not that expensive and it's, we really need it. Okay. So the actual grant this year is Robin's library. Serious. Down papers that they're transferring to down because of how well they did with their own. Good. Thanks. The town hall envelope. Preservation. Phase one. I gather faces also in both preservation or the. Interior or something else. Well, no, they're mostly outside preservation. So they're not. They're just. They're just. Are in terrible shape. You'll see if you look at town hall. It's got a lovely tan. Tarp around the top. And those finials are about to fall off. So they. No, I know it's. In fact, inside too. Yes. It's going into the meeting room. In your understanding. Yeah. I actually think it would be a good thing. This is when we started CPA. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I promise not to bond anything. But I think this actually is a project that should be bonded. Not by CPA. The by you all because. There are many, many town halls that have used. CPA wanting to start like the preservation plan. That's being done. That's a wonderful. Sort of blueprint for how things should be done. I think. Honestly. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. Project budget. That's in that report that we sent you. Is too low. And I think that's why. You know, construction prices right now are really high. But I think it would be. Something that we really should seriously consider bonding. Other questions. Questions. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We should do other stuff. Because we told them a 30. So. I don't three kids. Are working on. Let's see if we can knock off a few things. Town celebrations. The last one we have yet to do is the. $25,000 one for. I have that number right. Is that from. No, that was from last. I guess we'll hold off on the. Anniversary celebration because can't. Sandy's still working with a selection on that. That's what that's what he's working on. Down the other. For now. I mean, I've got a quick update on a minute. Yeah. Let's ask. Why don't you give us an update? So we will be getting. Formal. Communication. The school committee did consider our. And. I did get a call from Dr. Dawson. But they are not planning to change their. Position on how they're. That service. The first. So. They don't have anything, you know, as we've said in everything in writing. That says that if they were obligated to use rental funds to pay that debt, they don't have an income because of the deal we're making about the face to the project. And they don't feel like they can move. So. You're all in a pattern until we see whatever this formal letter of describing. Response is. But folks should get. Ready to think about how they feel about it. Well, Dr. Dawson called me on the first day morning, but she was going to be away from the weekend. She called me from the airport. So I assume you will get it. Sometimes. I can. Remind her that we're expecting. Any discussion on that right now. Charlie. Then Dean. So. Did you suggest that they could just reduce that other capital. They had. I did. I said that in an email. And I talked to him. But. To not do that. So if I recall. I feel like we've all read the regional agreement. Like a million times, but not once in the last year. Probably. I believe the regional agreement requires unanimous voting. This is our. Right. It's not unanimous. It's. Two people. If one person opposes it, it can still go forward. Two people opposed. The. The acceptance of the debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. The debt. Reduce the public's différents. The acceptance of the debt has already been voted on. Yeah, I'm on the on face one. Yes. Phase two. May not be the capital assessment. The deal they're making with a partner. And then pay a very, very low rent to use them. Part of the time. For 20 years. I don't know for sure, but we could, but again, they need six out of nine towns to vote. Yes. And, you know, five of those six pounds, their assessments are very small. Is this street phone or street phone on the budget? Is it weighted? Yeah, it's weighted. It's been over here. It's weighted, and you can pick up with us, yeah. Grant? I understand the issue. Do you have any forecasts of what amount we're actually talking about, about field rentals, about what the dollar value might be, or what the next... So, I believe what we were able to determine is that the debt service on the note is about $115,000 this year and what's going to show up in our assessment in about 34,000. So, there's, or 35 or 40 years, something along those lines. Yes. I actually, that wasn't my question. My question is the anticipated revenue we're getting from the fields. No, we don't have any idea what the interest is. We know that what they have said is it is less than what we were told at the time, and part of that is not when the fields are going to be finished and that they are making a deal with another entity, everyone is, who is going to do phase two construction, is going to pay for it for $14,000 to put in the stands, lighting, and on six tennis courts, and that they will then, is that they will be a principal user of the fields at the moment, which reduces their rental income. Which is what? I mean, that whole bit we're, the part I'm missing on this, I don't understand the part of the cost, but we need the deal to get revenue. We need a deal for them to get revenue, to use that revenue, and how much of that revenue did we think that they might get? So, the presentation that we put on here last year, we said they were going to borrow $1.9 million. And the honest and share of that debt service, which could be about 30%, was going to be $77,000. And we agreed that we would pay that in the first year, which is this fiscal year, fiscal 23. And the rest of the years after that, it would be covered by the rental. So they were going to get at least $210,000 a year rental. And I don't know where the number that you said is only $150,000. I don't know where it was $210,000. I think that's what John was talking about. That was just the debt service on $1.79 million. So maybe that's just the interest. You had the first year? It was the current year. Well, that's the first year. So maybe that's just the interest. So this, if I may. So the $77,000 we're going to be paying every year is going to be offset by X amount of revenue. It's not just us. The revenue is going to be offset on the entire debt service. I guess I'm missing what the X is on the total revenue for fuel rentals. But are we anticipating it's going to be huge? Well, the debt service was going to be, I mean, we don't know what the total revenue was, but it was going to be at least enough to pay to the debt service, which when he spoke to us, our guess was it was going to be $200,000 to $220,000 per year total debt service. And I believe this anticipation was the thing. That's high. That's high. That's going to be more than that. And it was going to cover that plus the ongoing maintenance of the fuel complex. So I just didn't know what components. I know that this is the yield that we're, they may be an implied agreement, even though it's not explicit, but they may be an implied agreement, but I'm trying to determine what the amount of the effect is. Okay. We're saying something about $220,000 to $77,000. Okay, thank you. So anything else we want to talk about before we get this letter and then finally take the vote on the minute and budget? John? Yeah, thank you. Did I hear it the other night that the, because the state funding went up, then we're going to get a new number on the Ben-Man allocation? Yes. And I believe they are going to adjust our, I believe what Sandy was saying in the meeting the other night, they're going to adjust our assessment overall based on that $1 million. So the operating assessment will come down. So is the number set or is the number kind of TBD? I think somebody's got to do the math on the $1 million and see because it's weighted offsets. It has to do with governor's budget. Yes, so it's not set. Yeah, totally separate, totally. I just heard the other night when, you know, state funding numbers came out of Miniman assessment. Yeah, Charlie will correct me if I'm wrong or I will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there's a floor in the ceiling and the floor is the house in the ceiling is the governor's and it's always someone in the meeting because they work inside. So once we have the house number, we don't know how high or how low it is, so that they, we'll have to revise the assessment.  I don't know, $350,000 or something maybe. Jennifer. Thanks. I'm, I stress everybody and I'm not sure what you do about it. It was a separate issue. One of the things we were asking them about was whether they were interested in being or could bring their employees onto the GIC. Do we have a way to follow up on that? I did ask that question and Dr. Dawson was going to ask Mick Andrew when she went to the meeting to discuss it with them, but I don't know. Yeah, I just didn't want to like back to the drop there as a consideration of that. There's a certain line here that other than just saying, hey, you know this thing that might help you, you can't go in and micromanage it. No, 100%. Right. We can, well, we have a rep that we can talk to who can bring things up. Yeah, but they're in a consortium with other technical, you know, official technical schools, and so the whole consortium would have to decide they want to explore this. And I don't know what they would think, but they'd like it. Charlie? Yeah, isn't that also a labor issue? In other words, that has to be negotiated with the unions? If they have the same deal that we have, they don't have to negotiate with the unions. They can show that it will save them money. And without reducing services to the motion. Now, I don't know whether or not vocational technical schools are covered in the same way that we were by that. And what happened for the time, Carlington was that we used that as leverage to get into negotiations. And we did negotiate some of the other unions that included meeting their concerns with some investment of a smaller company. So that's for some period. And also, to keep in mind, the panel is exploring adding new members to the and is going to represent us at a discussion at the end of the month. And that requires right. So we'll, we'll move on. There's some chairs there help yourself. Come on in. Come on in. We'll welcome everyone to the finance committee. So we're students from So we're students from Madison Middle School. We're doing a cat project this year, which is something that we do in 8th grade, which is it's called the civics action project. And we chose restaurant composting. My name's Anne Murray. My name's Summer Shaddinger. My name's Allie Lipp. I'm Jen Keith. My name's Ellie Rockwood. My name's Foster Woodburn. Welcome. All right. Well, take it away. And to explain what you your project is, what you're looking for, what your goals are, take it away. I don't know if I can hide it. So that you can be showing us what you're looking for. Our proposal is a pilot composting program for Arlington restaurants along that sub that subsidizes 10% of the composting fee for selective services. Okay. So the environmental benefits. As you all know, climate change is an issue. And it's an important issue to us. We feel really strongly about reducing Arlington's contributions to climate change and our carbon footprint in general. So composting is a really good way to act is also a very good way to act on Arlington's net zero action plan for net zero emissions by 2500 or 2050. Sorry. Right. And work towards a more sustainable future. And if you, and if you look specifically at food waste, you'll know that in the United States alone, 63 million tons of food waste is produced annually with only 4% of this food waste currently composted. And if you look at Arlington specifically, Arlington solid waste is managed through waste incineration. However, when this fuel is burned, it increases outside of greenhouse gas. This contributes to Arlington's unreased gas emissions and to our carbon footprint. You'll also note that specifically when it comes to food waste, food waste is composed of 70% water and this reduces incineration efficiency, increasing operation costs, energy and fuel, while also increasing our greenhouse gas emissions. Next slide, please. If you consider this to composting, composting breaks down into non-consid components. This is water, carbon dioxide, and biomass. And furthermore, this biomass can be distributed for use in farms and gardens. So it's really the full life cycle and use of the food waste. Furthermore, if you just note with the greenhouse gas emissions, nitrogen outside has 300 times the global warming potential than carbon dioxide does, which means it retains 300 times the amount of heat in our atmosphere, which is of course, highly, which is correlated to global warming. This leads us to why we chose restaurant composting to address this issue. So from the quote we got from Black Waste Compost, restaurants can produce over 600 pounds of food waste per week and 90% of restaurant waste is compostable. I wanted to talk about the efficiency of restaurant composting.  And if we compare this to single establishments or households, the volume of compost is much greater. And currently, we're not doing a lot to compost for a restaurant. So when we pull compost out of the trash, it actually decreases the cost of the trash because we have the same volume of waste, but the trash is also when you pay for the trash, you're paying in pounds and that's the same with the compost. So when you're taking the compost out of the trash, it actually reduces the cost of the trash. So when all of the compost stops are concentrated along Mass Ave, when our pilot companies take compost from them, it will decrease the fuel cost and also it will decrease the carbon emissions from the fuel, which is good for the environment, but also it lowers the price per stop. So we were on the phone with Black Earth Compost and they said they could actually reduce the cost of their normal pickup if all of their stops are concentrated along one road. So additionally to the efficiency, it spreads awareness because all of the restaurant employees and all of the customers are like, oh, this restaurant compost, maybe I want to keep going back because there are a large density of eco-friendly citizens in Arlington. So most people would be like, hey, I think I want to go and be at this restaurant that compost. So I wanted to get into the restaurant benefits, but first of all, I want to talk about legislation. So recently there was a mandate that said that restaurants that produced over one ton of organic waste needed to compost, but that has been changed to one half ton of organic waste and it has been predicted to go back to a quarter ton very soon. So what does this mean? So this means that we're already on the path towards composting and this subsidy will only make it easier, an easier choice for restaurants in the following years. But when restaurants are mandated and have to compost, a lot of restaurants have been struggling lately because of COVID and we want to support our small businesses and mandated and compost will cost more for them. So we didn't, we wanted to subsidize that cost so that they don't have to pay more than they usually do so that they can stay afloat. All right, so one of the perks of composting that we haven't mentioned yet is the increased business. So restaurants like Zaw Arlington have made their composting actually part of their business plan to attract customers. So like when you're on the fence and be like, hey, I want to, there's restaurant A and there's restaurant B, which one do I want to go to? Well, restaurant A composts. So I might want to go there because 60% of households prefer dining at zero waste restaurants. And not only is there a large density of people who are eco-friendly at Arlington, but in neighboring towns in Massachusetts, if we have all of these restaurants along that's out that are eco-friendly and they compost, there are people like, hey, maybe we should go to these restaurants and try them because we are lowering our carbon footprint that way. So finally, the financial incentive for the restaurants. As you can see on the graph, I think we should take a minute to look at this graph. The blue line represents the quote that we got from Black Earth and the red line represents the trash cost for most restaurants and what they're paying for their trash being picked up. The yellow line is the result of a 10% subsidy provided by the Arlington government. So we chose 10% because it brings the composting price to the same price as trash collection for our set weight, which is 600 pounds. We got this number from an approximation of how much waste a restaurant produces, like food waste. The remaining trash would, because restaurants are still producing actual trash, could be dealt with in a different way. For example, Arlington's commercial orange bag program. You might all be familiar with this and we're not experts on it, but this could significantly help restaurants with how they're paying for trash and it could significantly decrease their costs. And just as a reminder, this is a good idea because we want financially stable restaurants in Arlington. We want them to be able to stay afloat and we want them to be thriving here. And also the orange bag program is run by the town of Arlington and we don't, again, we're not experts on it, but this is government run. This is already being provided by Arlington. Next slide. Now we would like to look at the cost of next slide, please. Okay. So we reached out to Black Air's compost and they told us that for 200 pounds it would be a $20 pickup. So that's a 48 to 64 gallon bin depending on the restaurant. And that price does include the bin compost line into the fuel and the tipping fee and processing cost. So you don't need to buy the bin separately. And the restaurants produce on average three bins of food waste per week. Next slide, please. That gives us to 600 pounds of compost per week equaling $60. It's the town to the 10% subsidy, the town to pay $6 per week per restaurant, and per month it'd be $24 and per year it'd be $12. Next. So now if we look at the cost per participating restaurant, first to note that there are 57 restaurants along Massachusetts Avenue that would be eligible as defined in our proposal. So this means that along Massachusetts Avenue there are 2 million pounds of food and straps that could be diverted over a one year period. However, we recognize that this is a first year pilot program and that not all restaurants would be interested in this proposal. So if you next slide, please. So what we propose is a one year pilot with 16 participating restaurants. So 16 participating restaurants would make up across a million 25% of the total restaurants along Massachusetts Avenue. And this program to divert over a one year period, half a million pounds of food straps at a cost of just $5,000 to the panel. Next slide, please. This pilot program would require $4,992 for one year. So after speaking with a number of people in the town of Arlington, they have voiced some concerns and we'd like to just address that. Next slide, please. So things that people have talked about is the issue of rodents. So it's a common misconception that compost bins will attract things like rodents. But this isn't entirely true because it's not like there's additional food waste being set aside that would attract them more than the food waste would already attract them in the dumpsters and the trash bins. So you just be moving your already present food scraps and putting them in a separate bin. And keep in mind these bins that we would use. Unlike other bins, they were designed to keep out rodents with durable plastic, a heavy duty latch, and they're washable, easy to clean, and they trap odor inside. So this would actually reduce the amount of rodents present rather than increasing. Yes. Thank you. So this would cost the town, or you'd be asking for $4,992. Who's actually going to be running the program? That's something that we haven't fully addressed, we haven't had a chance to, but we plan to talk with Charlotte Moran and discuss possibly giving this to someone who is already in the, like, hired by the town. But we need a little more time to address that. And do you have in mind a particular service composting company? And who would that be? We've been looking at Black Earth, we got a quote from them, and that's what we used in our data. As you all probably know, they already service a lot of not restaurants, but business, yeah, households, businesses, some businesses in Arlington, so they're pretty familiar with our town. All right, questions, Grant. Yes. First, very good presentation. It's one of the best presentations that we've seen from everyone else. Also, do you know anything about water and sewer? But seriously, I do have one question, and a very good framing and everything, but and great idea with the pilot. How are you going to select or are you going to gather or identify these 16 restaurants from the pilot? So it's more of like a first come, first serve. We've already reached out to a lot of restaurants, we've called them and some of them have voiced their interest in participating in this. So you just follow them? I'd also like to add that as part of our CAP project, we have besides just the six of us, the other students in our second period civics class are also working with this. We're currently in I think stage four of our CAP project and stage five. And so as part of this, we're looking at advertisement. I think we've talked a group of students is working on posters for Arlington, raising awareness about this program. And we've also got a team of other students ready to help with calling, with contacting, and other ways directly these restaurants. One last thank you. Very good all around. Have you reached out to these restaurants, which is great and everything? Have you actually have 16 actually responding to the affirmative or they're more fast? Not 16. Very good. Thanks. Thank you. Jennifer. I mean, that's hard questions. So you guys did a great job at identifying why 10% and why that would be an incentive for restaurants because the average restaurant produces 600 pounds at 10%. You know, that's the same amount. Do we have a sense that the Arlington restaurants are producing 600 pounds? And that sounds like the industry average. Do we know that? Yeah, so we reached out to Block Earth, which does already service only a few restaurants in Arlington. And basically, what they told us is that depending on the size of the restaurant, it can range from 400 pounds to 800 pounds. So we took the medium. Great. Okay. The second question related to that is, so we already have questions who are composting. Would they be allowed to be in the pilot and that's going to discount or something they're already doing? With our current understanding, there's only one restaurant that we know of. Okay. So this wouldn't be a significant issue. Got it. Okay. Other questions? Thank you. Yes, thank you. This is a wonderful presentation. Have you talked with other towns? Have other towns done something similar? Any ideas? So we haven't talked with towns directly. We've done a little bit of research and we know, we haven't talked with them about restaurants, but we know that Medford does subsidizes for private company composting pickup for residents, but not specifically with restaurants. Alex Jones. I want to congratulate you on the presentations. It was really excellent. And I have to tell you, my brother's been working in municipal composting for the last 50 years. And you've hit on the tough spots. It's particularly like the attention to rodent control, because in fact, it would keep rodents more under control. Dumpsters are pretty leaky. Those trash bins are pretty good. Do the school cafeterias compost? Yes. Okay. Because that would have been the target. And do you have any experience from the school cafeteria? Is it any opportunities or problems? Yeah. So right now our infant schools do compost. Some of the issues that we have come across is personally, I do volunteer with the compost bins and help sort the trash. Some of the issues is that some students aren't aware of, I guess, the proper sorting. And this couldn't present an issue to restaurants, which is why we reached out to Blacker and they do have some free materials that they can give restaurants to help train the restaurant owners on how to really train their staff. Good. Thank you. Other questions? Dave? Is that a curiosity? What happens to this program when you guys move on? I think I look nice. What did we talk about, which changing in Arlington in a couple of years? Yeah. So we've heard a bit about some legislation, as you saw in our slideshow. And we were fairly vague about it because we don't have all the information. But from what we've heard, legislation to move down to a quarter ton of, was it like waste? All waste? It's organic waste. No, it's not just, yeah, it's organic waste. Okay. So just a quarter ton of organic waste. Any restaurant who produces that much needs to be able to compost. So we're looking ahead a little bit. And this program would be important for a little while, and hopefully to get companies comfortable with composting so that it wouldn't really rock their whole business. But we're looking forward and seeing that this is a possibility for the next few years even. And so this program might not be as important when restaurants really need to start composting and are supposed to be composting on their own. So we don't have to support them as much anymore. Additionally, I'll just add that it's our understanding that in a few years, the town of Arlington is going to have to renegotiate its trash contractor. And this means that the cost of our trash collection is going to really increase by quite a lot, which means that the financial incentive to compost is just going to be that more important. Brian. Are restaurants paid for their own trash or is the town doing it? Um, yeah, they have private contracts. Yeah, they have private contracts. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Um, I have to say that this presentation, one, is fantastic. Two, I have to be married to the queen of recycling and composting. So she would really love to know about your group. But I'm going to come, I'm going to come home today and I'm going to tell her about it. You guys are fantastic. You already got my book. Annie, so since we're rolling over into the complementary part of this, I just want to tell you guys, particularly in front of your parents here, that this is the toughest committee in town. Yes, very, very hard to impress us, particularly because we're not used to people coming in with data and understanding of numbers and then actually coaching, arguing to not why they want to do something. So I really appreciate your being concise, being clear, and knowing your stuff. Charlie. How long do you think the town has to subsidize the restaurants? Um, yeah, that is something that we should look further into. However, it is our understanding once again with the legislation that perhaps anywhere from like five to 10 years on the threshold to compost could be lowered. So I'd say if not sooner, yeah, if not sooner. So it really would be somewhere in that range. Are you going to have somebody bidding and competition against Black Earth? Yeah. So we have received two competitive quotes. Um, one from City Compost for $18 that came in this afternoon, which is why we weren't able to include it in our presentation. We're also slightly unclear about the terms of that, of that proposal. So I think we'll need to follow up with them. Yeah. So if you get competition and price goes down, are you still going to ask for the subsidy? In other words, if you were at a certain price and we were subsidizing it, but a competitor comes in and offered a lower price, we wouldn't have to subsidize anymore. Well, it depends on the price. I mean, if the price is significantly lower, then the subsidy might not be necessary. But I mean, from our estimates, it's probably not going to get a ton better. Well, $20 to $18 is 5%. So you don't have to go far to get another 5%. But yeah, we talked with Black Earth and they were talking about tipping fees and fuel costs included. And the city compost was not quite as detailed. Thank you. Another thing I might just add is that Black Earth compost is a unique composting company. In fact, it has its own facility that processes the compost and sells it back to farmers and gardeners. The other composting company, such as Foodstuff Compost and City Compost, don't have their own processing facility. It actually goes to one run by the state of Massachusetts. And I believe I would want to do more research on this. But I believe that the way that they handle their compost doesn't have the same positive environmental impact here. Thank you. Other questions so far? How did you arrive at about 10% as to something? So we were, could we go back to the graph? Yep. So yeah, this is a pretty important graph. You want to take a better look at it just on your own time, if that would interest you. But so we looked at 10%. So 600 pounds. We've gotten, our sources are kind of a little all over the place. But we've looked at how much waste a restaurant generally produces. And we were looking at somewhere between 600 and 800 pounds. So 600, we estimate that there would be about 600 pounds of compost if there was a little bit more waste in total. So subsidizing to 10% would need it right. I mean, you can see that 216 and 215.83 is pretty similar. So it would subsidize the amount that it would cost for the trash to pick up. So therefore you're not, they're not, the restaurant isn't paying more. Okay, so you're just figuring it will reduce the restaurant. It won't change their cost at all. And it won't do something to do a good thing. The other thing, I actually would love someone who's knowledgeable on this, if there is anyone to speak about the orange bag program. But we've, we did a little bit of research. And from what we can tell, subsidizing this amount might reduce restaurant, restaurant like price or costs significantly. So that there would be an even larger incentive incentive. I think from an educational point of view, I expect you've learned an awful lot about compost and economics and charts and graphs and things like that.  Would you intend to follow on with the development of this, a real program to learn more about, oh yeah, if you're running a business, you get an investment, but then you have to make the business. Is that something you'd work forward to? Yeah, I think we're going to work on that. And this sort of cap program, it continues all the way. I believe into 10th grade. So, I mean, this group could continue working on this all the way through high school. We also have one here. That's what you've gone for. Rich, you're talking about the finances. I'm in the finances.  Other questions, Carolyn? Have you already had any conversations with BPW or anyone else in town? Okay, we've tried to reach out to a few people. I mean, our timeline was a little bit short. Yeah, so we tried to reach out to them multiple times. We had a day where a lot of experts were brought in. And so we talked with Charlotte for a little while. We gave her the gist of our idea and our project and informed her that we were coming to you guys. And we haven't talked to her since. We've tried to get in touch with a few more specific questions, but haven't had the chance. But that's something that we see in the next, probably, week. But she is she is aware of the program. Yes, she's aware. She didn't tell you anything crazy. Yeah, Jennifer. Yeah, so this is a fabulous presentation. You've done so much work. I know you know that you have just a little more work to do before you get to town meeting. And so besides Charlotte, the economic development coordinator is a great person to talk to you. And I can actually see like a sicker program where restaurants can advertise at the heart of the program. I mean, especially if we're not turning restaurants away, that might be unfair to turn them away and then not let them put a sticker up. But that could be something that to get at the benefit that you pointed out, that people do like to see their restaurants being environmentally conscious. And also talk to them at restaurants. Is that a regulation? Yeah, yes. Any other questions? All right. This really has been a fabulous, impressive presentation. We are very, very pleased. So what we typically do is at some point, maybe tonight, but it very well may not be tonight, we'll talk about your proposal and then we'll take a vote, whether we'll support it or not. And we'll get back to you no matter what. You have some people liaisons who will get back to you.  But again, thank you for coming. This has been very, very educational for us. I mean, enjoyed it very much. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone who has not signed in, sign in on the way out, please. Including our parents. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So we can actually, yeah, we can bring this sign out to the outside. Thank you. So let's go on here. Let's go to the top of the CPA, take a vote on the CPA. So what's before us is whether we support or don't support the CPA, their emotions. I think that we support the CPA as presented. And second, any discussion? No issues with CPA this year. That's a great job. All right. So this motion has been seconded. All in favor of supporting the CPA as presented. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. I think I need to abstain because I'm a little too close to a lot of it for us. All right. So all of those, all opposed, all in favor, raise your hand. 14 in favor, anyone opposed? And one abstention. DPW facilities, can you stop presenting?  All right. Let's plunge into DPW. I want to get some of these budgets at least started tonight. Do you want to share or do you want me to share? Can you just pull the budget up? Yeah. I think it's, oh yeah, typically three. Yeah, no, it's fine. Are we looking for facilities or? Well, it's 83 ish. Okay. Start from there. So probably order. We're going to do facilities later. We'll start with DPW and then we're going to move it as far as we can with DPW and then do facilities and get as far as we can. Let me share. Sorry. So you want to do a little intro discussion of general issues and then go into the individual. Yeah, well, something. So, thank you. So a lot of fresh faces for DPW this year. And thank you to Christine for handing it off and doing a little pass off and downloading all her knowledge to us. So. Yeah. So, thank you. Mike Brownamacher, we met Mike Brownamacher. He's the DPW chief. We'll see you now with some of you. He has a new deputy there. Nelson, we met with him. Mike through all the budgets there. It's a lot. Talk about a couple of big picture things. We heard from Darrell, right. We have a new building. So that's, you know, it's a new building. It's a new building. It's a new building. It's a new building. April ish. That could be April ish. So. He's not expecting any further budget asks from capital. Being strategic as they try to fill out the interior space. So it'll be DPW, inspectional services. The first floor. The new building is open. They're going to move the people in. They need some of the old buildings. In turn to some of the first days of the project. I think just a general observation. That's a lot of the different DPW budgets. You know, there's, there's vacancies. Like said, they're just as challenges every other employer right now to attract people to try to be creative. You know, some vacant positions you might see have a step increase. That's just to sort of attract people. One thing they're starting to think about is, you know, they need CDL commercial driver's license licenses. For a lot of the work that they do, but they have a hard time finding candidates. So one project they're thinking about is, you know, finding someone with CDL in-house. So they're not having to find somebody with CDL and make it into the find candidates. And then, yeah, he's just, you know, he's worried about also retention. He's also just lost to people to other communities due to, to the pay issue. So I think that, yeah, we're hopeful the new building will, you know, combine the salaries, combine the new building, combine with good food and vehicles that make us an attractive community, but we're working on it. So we'll start. Let's go in order here. 85. Just one more. The contract negotiations. Well, yeah, I'm sorry. So this is. The collective bargaining has, right, has finished for the workers few months ago. Those numbers are already in the budget, but the SEIU has just completed. And those numbers will be populated with the magic balance into the budget when we go down into town meeting. So, and it'll be set for a couple of years. So the next few years, we won't see, you know, gaps and won't see that money sort of in the town manager's budget. We'll have predictability. We've heard a lot about trash recycling. We'll get to that eventually, but it's a, we spent a lot of time talking to Mike about that. There are a lot in Julie as well. So. So thank you. So we'll jump, I think, just in natural resources. Just as a reminder, management care maintenance of athletic fields, playgrounds, parks, traffic islands, public trees. There's a couple of vacancies. Like I said, Mike is working to fill those positions. You know, vacancies impact the ability to make fields and space. Just sort of digging in on page. 86 here. We're 10 budgets about a little higher than the actuals. We were told over time request is just based on the five year average of actual expenditures. Maintenance is for outside contractors. Things like mowing. Materials. Things like mulch, all field markings. There's some weird sort of a couple of spending items in here for actuals, but they'll have. You know, recommendations. We were told that this is for TPW to track. Interviews at the writer. Facility when we contracted the building out to the landscaping company. We have tree planting in here. We've heard a little bit about foliage before or the lack there out in town. So the natural resources, they plant about. You know, 300 trees per year. They do it in-house at pretty affordable rates. $100 per tree.  There is interest though, from the tree committee. They do a lot more planting in town. They have their own revenue source. From the trees, please. So I think it's donations. I think they also, you know, there's other sources of money there. I think it's also the. Builders. Builders and pay. Like if they cut down a tree. And if they get any money in there. But Mike. So I think he's talking to the tree, the tree committee. I think he's talking to the tree committee. Because the number. That for an outside contrast to do it is way more. $15 a tree. So that's a lot. Which is, so Mike is sort of trying to think about, is there a way. More trees for a year. Maybe do it in an affordable way. So. Yeah. So that's sort of one of the things that we. That talked about. And. Yeah, we don't really have, we don't really have capacity to do more than three on per year. So. The balance of the trees, please. Fund is around 300,000. Tree pest management. That is for a private contractor to combat the emerald ash for. Talk about holiday lighting before. I think other purchase services. Five, two, three, six. That is to hire a vendor for holiday lighting in the center of town. Historic sculpture maintenance. Used to maintain the Stan Wilson statue and. Black hole. Others. That's something else. Yeah, I just wanted to serve. You mentioned that we just started out two more things. One is just practically, but the holiday lighting, the holiday lighting budget for 15,000 is basically the cost of the contractor to put out the lights and take them down, but we don't know those lights. The money in the parking benefits district is used for, and that's for basically, I think just the park. The main park in the center. What's outside of. Well, I can't remember. Okay. The park benefits district is buying lighted up. They used to go around the land posts. So those are different. So those, and those are new. We didn't used to do them and park missus district is buying those. Keeping them, storing them and putting them up. So you're recommending that the national resources budget. The approved. We recommend approval for the taxation. Total of. One. Seven. One. Seven. Nine four. Okay. Yeah. So questions on natural resources. Yeah. So, um, the, there's a reduction in the longevity. Is that the turnover? Did you talk about it at all? So we have some vacant positions. So did that reduce our longevity costs? Yeah. We did not. In general, we talked about it, but we didn't, we didn't talk. I mean, that's a reduction. Any other questions? All right. So it's been moved in. I can do it all in favor of natural resources. It's been approved on to the next one. So. Okay. So. 8088. Maintenance of town fields. Was also for a small amount. Generated some. Back and forth. So this supports landscaping of town fields by a private vendor. So it's buried in the grass. Providing nutrients. This is different than knowing which the town does. So. So. So. I've been trying to. Find an actual piece of paper that describes the agreement, but it's been explained to me is that it supports land up to me. The original. Is 5050. EPW. And. With it being $50,000. And. And basically. As you can see. That is not the actual. 21 or by 22. So we talked about that a little bit. Mike basically said costs are going up. And DPW is being asked to cover the. The total cost. And then it sounds like. Park and recreation just does not, you know, I don't know if they've addressed their fees or, or going to increase their fees at all, but they're basically not. So it was a little frustrating. But. We don't do the contract to this work is out for bid. So again, this is a private vendor that does this work. So. We don't know what that number is going to be. But, you know, I think we were home. 50,000 is what we were asking for. And that's what we want. So. You know, it might be helpful. I mean, we'll, we'll, we'll endorse the 60, but I think, you know, it would kind of be helpful. At least I would think, I mean, discuss this like whether park and recreation or the town manager needs to like figure out, you know, is part of recreation. So. What I just did, they are paying as much as they have. But the question is whether they can increase their fees. Yeah. There has been some deaths of COVID issues. So it might not have felt like the right time to ask them, but that doesn't mean it's right now. So I want to speak to that for a minute. There is a chunk of money in a budget line. For reservoir expenses that is intended to maintain my landscaping at the reservoir that recreation is absorbing. That's about $25,000. I did not specifically talk about whether or not they're contributing to the maintenance of the fields. So this is, this is another frustration of it. So maintenance across different things means different things in different budgets. So it's weird, right? So it's not, maintenance means different things. Yeah. Right. This is not mowing, right? This is like, yeah, this is area. I don't know. I don't know. I think they have more money somewhere. Well, so what I'm saying is, I mean, there's a couple of different ways to argue it. I think it's a, to be raised with the town manager and argued with the town manager, but. What most of our playing fields are used. Are for sports. And those are usually either private organizations or private organizations. So aerating the fields, lining the fields, all that field maintenance. Isn't for programs that the recreation department is making money on. Okay. They're not charging. I don't think soccer clubs. Money isn't flowing through the recreation department. Well, actually. $10 a player. So, okay. 36. We, you already can start a couple of loans. $36,000 a year. But. So, I guess the big question then is. What do you think it should be? Is the reasonable amount for. The rep department to be paying.  I don't know if I should, you know, show my crazy person. Right now. Should we get the comments? Yeah. So. This is a joke at this point. Okay. So I have all my computer. You guys can't see it. So the right department did the town of Arlington outdoor athletic field. Use assessment. Okay. Where they concluded with the obvious part that. Shane has gotten to. Which is that. That they need to increase the. User assessments to the, to the groups. Right. It's been. It's been. It's funny. I don't know. For this. And somebody said. They said, you know, it's been $10. It's been. $10 per player since Charlie foster told us we should pay for our own maintenance. And that was long time ago. I asked you about it. I was like, that's like 2004. Like, it's a long, long time ago. Right. And so they do this study. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. It's a long, long time ago. Right. And so they do this study. And they were like, yeah, we've got to increase it to $15. They send you all the user groups. No, like it's going up to $15. Great. And then they never increased it. Which is down one up. Like, and so like, you got this like absurd scenario where like. The wreck points at DPW and DPW points at the wreck. And everybody obfuscates and budget meetings. And then you walk by our fields and they are atrocious. Like they are. They are terrible. Right. Like they're just these like, like, you're over the down in Florida feel just being dirt. Right. Right. I don't think. I don't think Thornton is much better either. Right. And then, and then we'll just see. And then so what's the solution? Right. So we wait till her gets really, really bad. And then we're animated. And then we reopen in the spring. And then we just like 20. And then we're like, look at their deck. We work for them to be as good as possible. And I don't really want to, I want to be able to get. Which just makes absolute. Yeah. Right. And, and, and underline this, I don't want to get into the. Too much of this discussion. Is, um, Really. We wait for policy. Learning a lot of applying a lot of concern. Is they do a study when they do this user study. How much the groups are paying and how much. Fields face they get. between the two. So some sports who pay very little have most of the field space, right? So like in general, if I could conceptualize it, like diamond sports tend to get a lot of field space, they tend to have very low participation, they tend to have very low input, right? The rectangular running sports tend to get crammed in, they tend to pay a lot more. And frankly, the only difference between is girls' participation in rectangular sports, like the boys' participation levels that fall through the same as girls' play.  Like before these fields, they're just giant dirt balls. Like you guys did a great job, right? I'm going to go against this budget, right? Because it's $50,000, but it's annoying. It's annoying that we have these dirt fields. And it's annoying that the rec department can't increase the fee from $10 to $15 to stuff like that. Like enough is enough, right? And maybe we shouldn't vote against it. But we should say something. We should have a comment back to TPW that enough is enough, fix the mess. So it's interesting. I'm looking at the budget for field permit fees. This is spring, summer and fall. And the total of the expected revenue fees is $21,500. So that represents what they do is they take they take the money and they actually use part of it for the porta-potties, which you're not seeing. They sign it out to three different buckets. They do porta-potties, something, something. Yeah, but they're revenue-wise and traditional revenue. I can tell, I can tell you the stock price. It sounds like we have to send to some committee after somebody. Any other questions or comments on this? Yes. I think we should, well, just following what Andy said, we should send, we should get back to the manager. This is a manager problem. They shouldn't be coming to us with a budget that's not solving them. You might as well not spend any money on it if you're not solving the problem. So I think that somebody from finance committee should talk to the manager, and not me, because I'm not in this area, and get them to come up with a good program. It might be the best for maybe me and somebody on the GW budget for them to go and talk to. My suggestion, they're asking for $60,000, even though ultimately they may be paying more than $60,000. But the budget requests for $60,000, which seems reasonable to use that word. But so I would suggest that we vote this budget. And if it, whether it passes or not, if Shane and Annie, you can be our subcommittee, our working group to deal with both town manager, the DPW and Parks and Rec to get a more rational plan in place. Any other discussion about the field maintenance item? Is there a motion? We'll accept it. $60,000. Second. That's been made in seconded. All right. All in favor, raise your hand. 11, four. Anyone against? Four. And approved by 11 to four. Any abstentions? 11 to four. All right. Can you just repeat? Can we just see who was against again? I'm sorry. Thanks everyone. So we're going to pivot engineering and page 19. Yes. Okay. So, change suggestion, I'm going to give you a brief overview of the department. Engineering department is mostly provides support services to other departments. So anytime we sit in a sidewalk or a street or a a redsport beach project, traffic light, Russell Common Law, etc. They provide the surveying, the mapping, you know, the engineering support. So that's primarily what they do. Anytime a public utility does Indian Arlington, they're also providing services. And anytime a private contractor does something that's really big, they also get involved. So they're primarily support. Um, they do have this funny little budget, which is most of the budget salaries. There's also these expenses, which are fairly modest, because mostly they're for things like materials that are like supplies for mapping, maintenance, 5202 is always an outside contractor, are small projects that they do where they have to bring an outside surveyor or an outside marker, etc. However, there is this funny little thing. So one funny little thing is the mobility improvements are not just purely support. That's the money that was voted in 2019 override to remember we voted in an additional money for mobility improvements and additional money for the van that, you know, goes around right. So, and I think it started 50,000, 2019, it's increased with completion. That money is actually for the work. So even though most of this budget is for, you know, the support, that's actually for hiring somebody to do the actual work. The DPW does not actually control that particular money. That's done by the town manager's office and the planning department. And they decide what projects they're doing. It's mostly things like working about brick sidewalks, making them safer, either with the infill that makes the sidewalks flat over replacing brick sidewalks. But there's other projects, but the DPW doesn't have control. Other funny thing about this budget I found out is that when there's extra money in the budget, they often shuttle money to the maintenance section, even though the maintenance numbers are actually fairly low here. And I still, I had lots of back and forth with Julie Wyman, and not quite sure where they show up in actuals. She does give us, when she gives the report to show us where she's spending money, there is there. But I'm not sure where it is. And I've had like five email messages, but I haven't had the phone call that I need to have, though Eric shows up in actuals. It's perfectly, you know, it's showing up someplace, but I'm just not sure when we look back. But the reason the reason it may be less relevant to having an actuals in these budgets is that it's really not a continuing expense. So the most recent amount of money that was spent, that was money that had been left over from other projects, was the Russell Field Common Mod. It was about $250,000 that they just covered down. I think they've spent it all. So there are big projects like that that somehow sometimes get put into this this category. Because again, $5202 is these outside contractors for things. That is okay, Annie and then Charlie. So, okay, let me make sure that I understand what you're saying, Jennifer. They didn't spend, they didn't like, scroll away in the meetings for 10 years. No. Russell Common Mod. You're just saying that the engineering costs for an outside contractor to assess work at Russell Common Mod. No, this is the thing. This is actually the work to do the work. It's not just the work. The work at the Russell Common Mod. Right. But you then said it cost $250,000. Right. So it wouldn't have been in an operating budget. Right. I thought it would be an actual sum of some things. That's maybe my confusion. Yeah, I don't think we would ever spend $250,000 on maintenance credit. It wasn't capitalized. So I think maybe not. It had, no, it's not in the capital budget. Then it wasn't $250,000. So it's in Julia's actual situation. They're right there. But I can get more clarity on this. Actuals in what year? 22. $25,000. At Y-22. And they spent $250,000 but they didn't spend it in 5202 because it doesn't show up here. Well, here's the problem also. There's questions about when the money is encumbered and when the money is... I get that. But eventually, if it's encumbered, it'll show up in this line. We budgeted $25,000 in 2023, so they cannot spend money that wasn't on the budget. Well, that's what I'm wondering about. And I do... Well, they can spend money that's budgeted in another line. Well, yeah. I mean, he has... I mean, Mike has authority to do things around. So you can certainly spend money that is budgeted. And they do. And they do. Right. And you can say that's... I'm sure they do. But I guess what I'm saying is let's not confuse ourselves. That don't think it was spending this long. Unless it was drained from somewhere else. It was brought from some money left out from other places. That's the fact about us. All right. Well, then he did not comment on that one mistake. But it was in the... in Julie's accounting of actuals. It's in this line. Julie's accounting of actuals with this $250,000 is a lot of money. I agree. So where is the... I'm trying to find the actual money. But that amount of money is found in other... But it's from other things. Right. It's something I want to see where it shows up in the actuals and how it was moved. Chris. It just doesn't make sense to me that we would just fund $250,000 without being clear about how it was going to... I mean, if you spent money, I guess it's not our business. I guess it's in here. It seems odd. I mean, you're familiar with the budget. So tell me if I'm... Well, like we... In the highway budget, we've got a huge budget. Yes. We're in a budget there. The $250,000 sliding around would make sense. Right here. Here it is. Yep. It's in... Yes. Right here. $250,000 in 2020 actuals. Actuals for this line and this budget. Yep. Exactly. Engineering. Yep. Yep. In the 2537 is in this print. So the way... The reason... The reason that it is confusing is that this is actual invoices paid versus where it was encumbered in the budget. And that might be different. That's been an issue for a couple of years now. And that might be different. But what I don't know is that as this all settles down, where do we see this in the actuals and the budget? That's what I'm not sure. Well, we're going to see it on the line that the comptroller accounts for it all. Yep. And that's the line. But it's not an object of the budget. That's the line. I agree. That was my confusion. Yep. That was exactly what I was trying to question. I don't know how that's going to make any sense. But okay. I'm also confused about why the mobility improvements is in this budget if they don't have control of it. So that's the whole thing. It feels like this budget is salaries, the very tiny amounts of money that they need to do their work that they oversee lots of different departments. And then these weird things that are coming. But that's very much what this budget looks like to me. But okay, let me actually, I want to mention another big picture thing is that we, when we were going through this budget channel, we were very frustrated with how things were described, right? Because it means maintenance. It's just maintenance. It doesn't spell it out. Right. But is this a long sentence? Apparently I don't copy. Is also had to be frustrated by this. And I'm very much interested in we doing these numbers and descriptions to present as something that is a lot more prestigious. Yeah. The problem is that you change a line. The change of line in general ledger is a big deal. Right. And she's doing it step by step. Right. Right. And we are looking at the object level. And so it's a database problem. And the nature of it will be weird until one of our suggestions is that I think that a finance subcommittee should be involved in this project. And you don't think so. Okay. Well, I do. And we've talked about this. This is okay. I mean, I'm new to this. I'm not. Yeah, yeah. Right now, you gotta go to the budget first. And then my thought is when we start the budget cycle, we can step back and say this whole reporting thing needs improvement. Yeah. And yeah, I don't know. What do we need? What do we need? Yes. What can they give us? And I think at the end of the day, it's beneficial for everyone because we have all the last several weeks or months gone back and forth and back and forth and back and forth with our department heads. And Julie, Anita, about tell me what is this? Yeah. What's show me how it went. So we get to the discomfort point of okay, I get it. I'm comfortable with this. I'm going to recommend. Right. But it takes a lot. It's been on a lot. I would say it's been a problem for 20 years. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. But we've got, yeah, it's time to fix this. And it may not be fixable in one year, but I think we've got to start. Yes. Yeah. So I think agreeing on a standard makes sense and getting our input. So we can't actually go make the lines for you guys. She's got to do it. Rebecca, Charlie and my grand. Thank you. Hopefully this is a straight forward question, but the offsets on this particular budget. I don't like, I think all the offset sets are one answer with a couple of reflections. I think that's true here. Thank you. I think it's all right. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. I have two complaints here that I think again need to be addressed with town management. First is, as I understand it, if this indeed is the money that was earmarked by the select board in the 2019 override for mobility improvements, it was positioned as a, I'll use the term sock to the seniors in order to get the seniors to vote for the override. Okay. It should be increasing two and a half percent a year. Oh, it is increasing. It started at 50 is what I was told. It doesn't look like it's increasing two and a half percent a year. Okay. I was told they started at 50. Well, we've got three years. But you're right. You're right. I see that. I see that. Yeah. Yeah. So again, it's gross misreporting in the budget or we're not doing it. Good point. Good point. And the second thing is, I'm not sure, but I thought I heard somebody say that we didn't spend the money and it goes into some other budget when it's not spent. If this money, I mean, there's a commitment made. We got ourselves worked up into a ladder over Minuteman because they made a commitment and didn't live with. Now we made a commitment to the voters as a town to spend this money on mobility improvements and we're not doing it. But I know this because I are spending money on it. Yeah, I know this because I suffered through this for 12 years. We spent 115,000 last year. FY 22. And some of this shows up in that budget. Yes. But that's not even money that was encumbered in a different budget, but that's the actual money that was paid to get out. Yeah. Some mobility improvements in this budget engineering and also shows up in highway historically. So we're spending more. I know we have a mobility number or something like this in the capital budget. Yeah. There's several kinds of new mobility. So there's certainly the, in the highway budget, if I understand the capital, are the ramps and sidewalks, right? That's, this money actually doesn't pay for that, what I understand. This pays for additional mobility improvements. And the only thing that was mentioned to me specifically were bricks. But there might be other projects as well. But it's not, it's not the, the, the sidewalks, sidewalks, that is all in capital for sometimes occasionally small projects in highway. But I think it's okay. That's a increase. Well, and what we're spending on, I mean, you said that money was left over and put it somewhere else. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was, that was, what I was saying about the, the maintenance projects was money that was left over in other budget items. And if you can get it, it is my past discretion, not, not mobility. But I understand what really is being said. It looks like it is. Do you have another question, Charlie? No, no, thank you. Grant? Yes, thank you. First of all, I can appreciate the fluctuation and the stuff in the budget. DPW and water, so they're very good at this sort of stuff. So I had lots of projects by him. And the stuff with the actuals, and it's funny that the budget book actuals both very different than what you get. You see, that's how it works. But in mobility improvements, there are two questions about that. One is the, is the actuals 1021 and then it is spent exactly $6,000, $60,000. And is that accurate? Right, no, it, right. It's not, it's not accurate. And right. And it's not what, we were telling them it's not accurate. And it was, it was a placeholder that, I mean, the money that's, that was budgeted here actually gets spent in a different year. So the actuals look small, but it, but the commitment and coverance is spent on some of us here later. So that, I can appreciate that. That usually happens, but what happens is that they actually fluctuate. Yeah. They don't magically. So the 1000 understand it might be a placeholder except that it's not supposed to be a placeholder since 2019, I think. Right. And the 60,000 looks to need to be an actual. What? Yeah, I, yeah, I agree. What I can say is Mike rather effort didn't have information about this budget item because he doesn't control it. And I didn't talk to anybody else. We, you know, we had some backfuckings really good. I've had some similar responses to a lot of things. But by the way, at least you've gotten some information. I haven't gotten any information yet about this stuff. But, but back to mobility improvements. And it does seem displaced in this budget, but. And maybe that's the answer to the question. I think they just threw it there because it didn't go anywhere else. That's my guess. Well, okay, that's good speculation, but is there some way? I mean, that's not even that to me. And maybe that's policy thing. But I'm questioning what we actually spending the magic 60,000 on. If it's designed, I heard bricks, but bricks of materials and bricks go, you know, might be built to the people actually doing the work. I thought engineering was doing. They're doing the way it was done. So they designed. So here's the game again. Yeah. So what's the difference between that budget item? Is it a case for the actual work, not just the engineering, right? So unlike the rest of the engineering budget, it's mostly engineering. It's the mapping, it's the surveying, etc. But that one actually pays for the work. I can go back, not to Mike, but to someone else and find out specifically what we've spent the last few years to do that. Well, what was it spent on? Yeah, what did they do? Did they do a design about how to replace the brick? Okay. Alex, you a fish grant? Yes. Thank you. I guess I would just comment. It seems to me that it makes sense for the 60,000 to be on the engineering work because for the things like ramps and stuff, and there's a lot of engineering goes into it. Right, right. And generally done in conjunction with rebuilding a sidewalk. So the mental cost. The only difference is that it's a different kind of thing because most of their budget is the work of planning and surveying and stuff. Whereas this is actually hiring the contractor to do the work. That's the only difference. That's the difference. It's actually putting the yellow things. It's not the yellow things. Remember, it's a different kind of work, but it's the mobility work that's different. Yeah. And presumably supervising that actual work. Yeah, they're still doing the planning and everything like that for sure. But here in this line is the work to hire the contractor to do that. So they actually put it in the ramps and things like that. It's part of a bigger project. It's hard to believe that actually. I don't know if the particular projects that they're doing are part of their projects because they're not, they're not the ramps. There's nothing else. But we need more information. I'll go back. I'll go to Senator. Any other questions? Should we put this aside? Yes. Okay. All right. You didn't miss it. All right. I think you might skip ahead just to give Jordan a chance to do a presentation. So I think we're going to jump ahead to motor equipment. 103 in the hard copy and close to that maybe somewhere else. So again, 103 motor equipment over here. All right. All right. So just at a very general level of motor equipment repairs, what they do, they maintain a fleet of 150 town vehicles and they are tasked with doing representative maintenance, including tire management. They do brakes, oil, transmission, et cetera. And I think part of the facilities that will be upcoming in the future is they want to work to get a more, they want to implement a fleet management software so they can better track the repairs and everything that's being done to the fleet that they're currently managing. And most of the work that they perform, they are able to perform in-house using the mechanics and the tools that they do have. Some of the more, some of the more complex things that are related to like, say the computers in the cars, those are things that need to be taken to dealerships that have the expertise and the ability to work on some of these things. Kind of a bigger picture items, something to think about for the future of this future of this department and for this budget is just what kind of, you know, with the rapid changing technology that we're seeing in vehicles, you know, it's going to take a lot of modernization making sure that this department does have the tools to be able to work on the, you know, the electric vehicles of the future. I'm told that in general they are able to do, again, most of the very basic repairs, but again, as we continue to move towards EVs in the future, this is certainly going to be something that we should pay attention to from a budget perspective. There's going to be a lot of additional trainings that will be eventually required for our mechanics to be able to service the vehicles. So going down the line, so salaries, just modest increase. The overtime and double times and the out of grade pay. So these are all over time and double time. What's budgeted that's based on a five-year historical average. Getting to what's really most notable I think about this budget is if you go to the out of grade pay for fiscal year 22, normally it's not normally that high, but there was an extended absence from the supervisor. So that did require somebody to work out of grade for a significantly long period of time than what they normally would do. So maintenance, it's level funded training, again level funded. I did ask fiscal year 22, the spend was significantly under the seven grand. I asked the director about this and they've mostly maintained, they've used this line item to maintain the certifications that their mechanics currently have. I asked if there was going to be something that they were going to spend the full seven amount. He says that he intends for the staff to get advanced training and to be more orientated with more of the technology on the vehicles that they currently serve. So he does plan on using more of the training budget that he has previously and the other supplies is for all of the tools, all of the parts and everything that they use to service their vehicles and this is all offset by the water and sewer and again really no significant changes in personnel. Do you recommend that we approve the budget, the taxation total of $470,295? Correct, I'm recommending we approve the budget as presented. Is there a second? All right, questions? Tofer. Yeah, you mentioned that they need to get in and out of the software. What would like to I guess? Yeah and I think that we'll be discussing that more in the facilities budget. I think that there's been a discussion to have the fleet management be more town-wide that would encompass more than just the DPW vehicles. My understanding was it's going to be in facilities. The questions? Dean? So I guess it's more of a comment. So I agree that a fleet management software is important, has a lot of great value to it. I also know that for like a period of 18 months from April to 2017 to September of 18, I was on the Capital Planning Committee and the same DPW director talked about getting the fleet management software. So he's talked about it for like a solid five years. He's never done it. And I think we're probably in a lot of times with those large software packages, they go through the capital budget. And look, I'm probably being mean when I said that, right? I get it. They were converting like all of their water meters. It's like you're not going to launch a second project. I didn't because that would be the same or concurrently, not behind it concurrently. I think at some point, because it's subcommittee, maybe you all should just start like pushing. Like, okay, the water meters are installed. That's nice. That's great. Are they installed? Can I make that up? Let's make it. Let's pretend they're all installed, right? They're all installed. It's time to turn the corner move to the next project, right? Because it's like, you know, because otherwise we're going to be like 2028 and still talking about fleet management softwares and how great that could be. And Jennifer and Shane, you know, I'm preparing the facilities budget now. And I don't recall, did the facilities director, he mentioned when he had an estimated time for when that was going to come online. It sounds like- But we always have to keep in mind how up and down the scap staffing of the facility director has been over the last few years. And that it's, you know, good intentions in lots of different areas have gone by the wayside in that area. But we do have a new person. He said he's staying. Hopefully that's good, right? Yeah, and Will, I wasn't planning on discussing the facilities budget tonight, but I think, you know, a lot of the long-range and a little bit of a primer for it though. I think a lot of the initiatives that facilities, and again, knock on wood, let's hope that there's going to be some continuity with that department. But he really is, I think, from the conversation that we had, really trying to transform that department from a simple facilities department, which, you know, is traditionally has looked out for things like HVAC, building maintenance, installing other initiatives like that, and really trying to do more actual capital asset management. So we'll have a little bit more of a discussion about that when we do the facilities. But I think all of it is sort of intertwined in trying to better track what the assets of the town are. Yeah, the other disruption in the last few years actually has also been the building the new facilities department and grocery, right? So various people are working out of weird places right now. But I do think you have a good point of pushing this. I will say, having done this budget for many years, when I started this budget, the budget numbers fluctuated wildly one year after another after another. And I would say, what's happening here? I'm heartened that there seems to be the numbers are in line for the 24 budget and every budget in the actuals and the 21 actuals. So I think that's an improvement. But I do agree with Dean that we should keep nudging DPW if via facilities to stay on top of this. Yeah, Dean, thank you for the question. I'll try before we do facilities to try to get a better feel for when that fleet management software might be up and running. Other questions on motor equipment here? All right. So let's take a vote. We just, I think it's been moved and seconded, right? All in favor of the motor equipment repair budget as printed, say aye. Any opposed? 12 minutes left. Can we do another division or is it a problem? I think I could do seven days. Let's just follow subsequent Cemetery is a cemetery, whole bearing grounds for the active cemetery present 62 acres of 200 burials per year. All bearing grounds and inactive historical cemetery of six acres. Sort of not much happening in the sort of the salaries. Areas here. There is the offset is increasing by $30,000. So we asked about that. This is so there's a project, some landscaping improvements to the column barium, which I learned is a vault which holds ashes. So we expect this to be a one-time expense, a one-time draw. So there are two funds. There's the lots and raves fund and the perpetual care fund. And I'm told by Julie that the entirety of the offset is from the perpetual care fund. So that is just sort of, that's a big number that bounces around 8.6 million. That's because it's supposed to be there for sort of onto infinity when you're no longer sharing people or selling lots. Yeah, the maintenance item increases by $30,000, but offset by the draw there. Yeah, not much. So are you making a motion that we prove the budget as printed? And move acceptance of the as printed. Any discussion or questions? Topher and then Charlie. So it's a $30,000 bump? On the bump. Yeah.