You know what as long as the next no we have some chocolate dark chocolate bars often, but not like candy I have 12 bars of whatchamacallit's left. You still do. I don't eat kind bars in the house. I Actually, I keep cookies or candy bars or anything. Do you keep anything the freezer?  I have leftovers in the freezer for that exact reason I have a bunch of pot stickers up at 99 ranch and I steam them for six minutes in my rice cooker and the meatballs are kind of that too Like we can throw meatballs in the microwave heat up some tomato sauce and you know Skip the spaghetti and just have meatballs spaghetti. Just meatballs and spaghetti sauce Yeah, Trader Joe's is the best. I know we didn't we didn't end up putting that Whole Foods story in here, but I've never really it's not one near me. So I never really shop there We have one really it's actually the closest grocery store by distance to us and I never go there either It's hard because honestly, it's kind of pricey for what you get and The selection though is that if you're an Amazon Prime member you get the discount. So theoretically that takes that out of the equation Like they don't have this stuff Like I would snack on most of the time See, that's the only grocery store I go to interesting like if someone says like oh Ralph's I'm like, where's that? Even though I know that there's one actually pretty close to me Good This is why I'm in debt Because I shoot Whole Foods is like I just know the layout. I know all the stuff Okay, few things I can't get there like cleaning products. I'm like, I just have to go to some Go there more often, but it also was trouble like to park and get in and out of and it's like I forget it Yeah, I never thought I'd be shopping at Trader Joe's because I always shopped at Ralph's and I was like, oh, it's gonna be too expensive But it's actually Pretty pretty good Yeah, it's not hot. It's not on and it's convenient. I really have to cook cook. They have most things I could just kind of heat up. Yeah, that I eat so it's perfect.  They're great I just save them for when I throw it in with soup because I always get the progressive vegetable soup and there's usually not enough vegetable I have a pack of frozen vegetables.  So it's I'm sorry cheese still work. I thought terrible. No, no, no, it's fine. It was a long time ago I progress Okay, well on that happy note. Yeah Shall we Do a little Techno here and roll here. Why not read just retweetness. Okay. We're good. All right. Good. Good. Everybody good Here we go Support the daily tech news show directly and you can get it commercial free and get a few other perks That's a daily tech news show comm slash support to find out more This is the daily tech news for Monday, June 25th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane also in Los Angeles. I'm Lamar Wilson and Also, at least in LA County is our producer Roger Chang. Hello. I'm also sharing the county with these three people Same County as all of you. I know we have a little inside the county perspective here today But it's gonna be a good show Instagram TV. What is it good for Lamar will tell us a little later on? Stay tuned guys. Stay tuned. Let's start with a few tech things you should know PayPal announced Monday. It's launching a debit card for Venmo users PayPal obviously owns Venmo Users can pay with a mastercard in stores which pulls funds directly from their Venmo balance Now Bloomberg report sources tell it Apple is working on noise counseling versions of the Apple AirPods That would also be water-resistant now Apple supposedly considering Biometric sensors like a heart rate monitor for future AirPods Bloomberg previously reported sources saying that a refreshed AirPods would come out by the end of this year With support for a hands-free voice control Hey, sir We Google has added some security metadata to Android apps to indicate if they are legitimate the metadata would allow apps from Non-Google stores to be recognized by the play store show up in your library get updates through the play store, etc It's gonna be a good thing for people who use third-party stores a lot It'll also help identify false apps that tend to be malware prevent those from working However, some people are concerned because the metadata could also be used like DRM Letting developers prevent modifications or even disable older versions of apps to make you upgrade to a new app That may be they're charging for something like that not on Android No All right, let's talk a little bit more about Xbox Yes, so Windows Central obtained an internal Microsoft presentation Detailing plans for mouse and keyboard support for the Xbox one that a presentation mentioned that April API for developers with an Autumn announcement for consumers. Although these dates may have changed any non Bluetooth USB mouse and keyboard would supposedly work Now this was this has been rumored for quite a while for the Xbox It's it's a interesting rumor. They've all pretty much all but confirmed that this is coming Well, yeah, Spencer say within months like two years ago Yeah, he did so it's just been delayed and delayed there's some issues Obviously when it comes down to pairing online with someone who's using a mouse and keyboard versus someone like match Absolutely, so the article was saying that it'll be up to the publisher or the developer to put, you know code or whatever in there to make sure that a Personal mouse and keyboard would be paired with someone only whose mouse and keyboard or at least if they notice There's a significant difference between the two they would take that into account. Yeah Yeah, you know, it's interesting because when you think about the game for tonight You can play with you know, you can have a group with people on a PC on mobile and on Xbox or a switch PS4 is he's kind of iffy with that And it's been working pretty fine, you know, but you know for the most part for that You know, there's some mobile people who have had the one up on people with a PC So I guess there's an argument for it for this to be to work I don't really see the appeal of it But you know, I'm just a casual gamer. It depends on the game, right? I could I could see games where it would would cause a mismatch and they and that's why Microsoft's telling developers look at it Make sure that there's not a huge mismatch and if there is a just for it, but But yeah, I I definitely there are games that I prefer to use a keyboard for but they're all PC games I can't think of any Xbox games that I would play that I would prefer the keyboard But I guess there are people who just like it The only one I could think of is like city skylines or something like that or you know We're Sims or it's some kind of sim city type of thing where you have to kind of draw things around And it's I sort of caught myself in a logical loop there because I'm like, yeah But I only play those on PC because then I have a keyboard, but I guess if I had a keyboard I could play the next part And if you're like wait, but no wireless it has to be wired it will work with wireless Bluetooth or wireless keyboards and mice that have a USB Dongle basically. Yes. It just won't work with Bluetooth only mice, right? Let's move to Sweden because things are getting crazy Sweden has a wonderful place Sweden gave us Abba Sweden gave us Skype also Spotify just to name a few But the next web it calls attention to the fact that about 3500 Swedes have implanted chips into their bodies Usually in the hand between the thumb and the index finger a video from at D Zine back in October show that the Swedish Australian operator SJ railways is trialing a program to allow embedded chips to work with railway passes So compare this to the story we've covered previously about the Australians like body hacker Who embedded his opal card chip and went to court to defend his right to use it that way and the Australian trains were like Wow, that's a violation. You can't do that court said no if the chip works. That's fine in Sweden The rail station is like yes We're trialing a system to make it easy to integrate any RFID chip into our train system so that you can add your your rail number to Your hand and use that Video of them like scanning someone's hand on the train to make sure they've properly paid for their ticket And I mean anytime that I'm in Europe, which wasn't very recently and I'm on a train It's like, you know, like you could see the person coming you're like where's my ticket? Oh gosh So like in you know, very very, you know Specific sense. It's like that's a wonderful idea but obviously the idea of would you implant this yourself and why is it happening in Sweden more than other places even in the rest of Europe is another discussion and a lot of it has to do with just that, you know, the government and the way life isn't Sweden and Not necessarily that people aren't paranoid about the implications of what could go wrong here But more like, you know, it's just convenient. Yeah They're a little bit more relaxed there. There's a Article mentioned a group called transhumanist who are and who are focused on improving and enhancing the human body of you know Just to improve the human race. And once I read about that, it's like, yeah, I I identified now as transhumanist Yeah, I want to do this I will watch orphan black before you say that I'm still in Y'all I have to say I think that the fears can be overblown in a story like this People talking about privacy and tracking if it's properly managed It's no different than any other card to have it implanted in you If you long as you control the information and it's erasable and all of that, but This may be the line where I become an old man Because I don't want anybody injected nothing under my in my hand. No I don't want to do that. Yeah, that's the thing is like, yeah If it if it acts exactly like what was in your wallet or smartphone anyway And it won't ever go away great when it's convenient But let's just say for whatever reason you just don't want it on you then what happens? How do you get it out? And I think in the future if this catches on people like that was an overblown fear You can you can there are ways to disable it, etc. Right there's always there's always ways to make stuff like this work around the fears My I'm what I'm saying is I just don't want I just don't want it in me. Yeah Although I did put but what if you get lost we'll need to find you. Yes I'm probably getting to the age where that needs to be What if you're running from the locks on they need to be able to find you easy But no, it's it's short distance and I know my hand in tin foil. All right Strawberry growers in the UK and the US say they can't hire enough laborers to pick the harvests Sometimes having to leave produce in the field to rot because there's not enough labor the BBC reports on several startups Creating robots to do the picking thanks to advances in computer vision and machine learning Belgium's Octinian is conducting the final phase of field trials in the UK and Europe right now For strawberries grown on raised platforms Octinian can pick one berry every four seconds Which is equal to humans Cambridge UK's dogtooth has been testing a picker in Australia That one not only recognizes ripe fruit by grades And and can sort them by size and quality but also doesn't need to be on raised platforms get pick it up right off the ground and Both Spain's agrobot which will be commercially available in California next year and harvest crew Which is close to launch in Florida use tractor like vehicles spanning several rows with arms that swing down And the other advantage to robots is they can pick at night When when it's a little colder and that lengthens the shelf life and reduces bruising Yeah, I thought this is interesting I mean, I don't want to go into a political issue here But you know, but there are if the fact is there are people who don't want to you know do this type of work You know, you know, you can argue there are people who do who are not able to right now Didn't won't go there, but but but the I think if there's truly no one Wanting to deal with this kind of work I don't see the issue of if the the robot can be more efficient And it can work at night and it picks the right for you knows what's right It knows was not it's not scared of snakes like I would be in out there I'm like Why haven't we done this already? Because we are a type of nation that don't like to do that kind of work. That's kind of how we're we're We're built here I the CEO of harvest crew says in this article that they pay 30 to 50 dollars an hour to pick strawberries I looked I could only find advertising really to $10 an hour. So I think there's some exaggeration going I'm in a wrong field other reasons that they aren't staffing up and prefer robots that they don't want to admit But I think the technology is fascinating and it certainly is a job that people Wouldn't want to have to do if they didn't have to I maybe there's a few people out there just love picket strawberries, but sure So there's a lot of interesting angles on this story for sure any crop that you have to Bend over and pick is very taxing on the human body like bending over and so it's a it's a has a high Washout rate because people physically can't do the work after a couple of years Interesting cool So I'm moving on BuzzFeed posted an article I found this really interesting it focused on restaurant wait staff and how table top tablets can be problematic Now tablets are meant to easily order drinks appetizers and desserts and let customers pay their bill from the table without talking to a server I love that BuzzFeed mainly focuses on is it ziask? Ziosk yeah, yeah, the ass tablets which are in more than 4500 restaurants across the United States and Also include a satisfaction survey at the end of every meal which gives server scores Now the ziask or ziask scores are Entitled as an average of out of five stars and on a device It says four out of the five means satisfied But anything less than perfect drags a score down and it has the potential to hurt the server now several people Told BuzzFeed that they lost shifts and wages because of this and I Man, I read this early morning and I was blown away about how Powerful this I know you mentioned sir. You never really seen these but like at Applebee's or Red Lobster to the type of type of restaurants have these and you never really think about it You know, you I love, you know, be able to order drinks on there and order your stuff paid really easily But that satisfaction survey I'd never realized just just saying satisfied if I was just fine That actually can cut the wages of that person that manager be like, okay, you've got too many Non-perfects, we're gonna cut your wages the next week and or your hour, excuse me, which ends up cutting the wages and things like The food didn't taste right whatever things that are out of the service control that is the cook's cook staff Or I didn't like that. You didn't have a certain beer that I wanted, you know Things like that all bring the score down and I just it seems very unfair that that a lot of restaurants Will use this to to punish the workers. Well, you know, it's funny this morning I was like when the last time I saw a tablet in a restaurant I've seen it, you know, but not lately and you guys were like, oh, they're everywhere Certain chains that just you know, aren't close to you But there's a couple things going on here to me is like first of all Yeah, if you give somebody ratings and someone says satisfied Satisfied and the server gets a four out of five and that drags down an overall score like almost like an Uber driver or an Uber passenger It's like, okay Well, nothing was actually wrong But somehow I'm docked in because people are sort of confused by the rating system The other thing I think is that and this is sort of more of a big broad, you know, you know Point about humanity is the less that you sort of look somebody in the eye and interact with them human to human Even if it's convenient can sometimes make it easier to Do stuff that you know, the Buzzfeed report is it's actually really good article It's not just about people being like this was a bad server But just kind of like joking around or you know, playing on the tablet and just stuff that they don't realize actually has a lasting effect on the person Oh, yeah, absolutely Yeah, in addition to zeus there's a company called presto prime that does these tablets And they both suffer from the same issue and nobody wants to take responsibility for it The tablets are meant to make it more efficient to make the server's life easier because orders and payment can be made from the tablet But because they include these surveys, the companies have all started to use the aggregated results of the surveys to judge the employees But there is absolutely no science behind the surveys and they all fall into the very common and long-standing Problem of surveys, which is people who read them generally say, oh if you didn't get a five you suck And so therefore the people who are at the at the end of the surveys effects start to have to tell the people Hey, you need to give me a five on this I had that happen at several different places at a car dealership I've had it happen at a travel agency where they explicitly told me like there'll be a Please give me five stars anything less than five stars is damaging to me and that's what's going on here It's not a problem with the technology It's a problem with this idea that we can have data and use it to make decisions without knowing how good the data is And this is crap data here I mean Restaurant doesn't have to use radians in order to you know, take away somebody shifts But it also it points to somebody being like well, what happened what I do and you know The manager might not necessarily know they're like well 4.5 not good And and that's it's the it's the thing to do right go by the data But if the data is calculated as Lamar said because like oh one of the questions was did you like your food? My service was perfect. I didn't really like the food I'm gonna give him a three on that and then that hurts the servers score and then they start to lose shifts It's just that it's just an awful implementation and there needs to be better science behind Hey, if you're gonna use data, this is how you use it not just throwing these things at restaurants And then the chain saying well the managers couldn't implement it however they want but the manager saying but the chains require us to send notes To the district manager. It's just a mess. It's absolutely. Yeah Yeah, no one's taking responsibility for it And the easy thing is just not to have a darn service that I really do those things anyway because it's just like I just Once I pay just want to get out of there. So you know, if you're if you need one of these restaurants Just leave all fives unless the person like kicked you in the shins or something and just leave all fives because they're worthless Not the servers or yeah, no surveys. Yeah, the surveys I mean, there's been there have been some servers that I wasn't thrilled with but yes It's sort of like we're let's just go back to how tipping works in general like was it awful, you know This person's you know working for money and you know, give him a break Adobe researcher Vlad Merarium taught an AI system to scan for signs of image editing that a human eye might miss and also is In addition to metadata like color change and noise inconsistencies in tens of thousands of pictures I think he's been doing this for about 14 years the initial study focused on three common manipulation techniques splicing Copy move and removal all techniques that tend to leave certain artifacts Merarium's research was done in conjunction with the US government agency DARPA. So yeah, this is taking things We already knew but are hard and time-intensive to find to determine if an image has been manipulated And teaching an AI to identify them the arms race continues Yeah, I mean this started being done with with video, right? There was example like a video of a former president Obama saying Yeah, exactly so that this was definitely coming and I would think it'll be a lot easier on pictures and images to Identify them. Yeah, and I'm sure they'll be they'll be work following to to detect manipulated video as well And then people will use AI's to come up with better video and images that can defeat the AI's and then those AI's get better in the Yeah, I mean manipulation of Video and and still photos is like I don't even have a problem with that It's like if I see a beautiful photo in Vogue magazine, it's like I assume it's been touched up in some form But just having some sort of little banner, you know, whether you care or not just something that indicates Yes, this has been edited the way a comment is edited on Facebook or something would be nice It's obviously it, you know, it's a tough job, but I Appreciate people who are working to figure that out Yeah, and now we have we have a way to check and see if it isn't labeled whether it was touched up anyway At least for now. Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Com last week. We told you about IG TV Instagram's new longer form area for video It's a standalone app as well as being able to be accessed through the regular Instagram app And of course VidCon was happening and YouTube announced a bunch of new revenue options for creators Lamar This is the world in which you live making videos on YouTube and trying to take advantage of any new Systems that come along. Let's start with what are you thinking about IG TV? so IG TV just kind of they were rumors about it right from TechCrunch and then it just landed last week and And immediately but my you know, my spidey sense was tingling, you know, I was I was thinking, okay So we have up to an hour of video and the reality is I think most people have been out super big It's up to ten minutes of video here Vertical which you know that there's there's that, you know, you vertical thing But then you think about it and we've been watching Instagram stories for how many years now in vertical? Snapchat it's all in vertical like it's another old man thing that guy doesn't want chip implanted and he doesn't like vertical video He's old exactly and it's gonna want to say the studies show that you actually get more views In vertical because people don't have to turn their phone and that was a really interesting thing So so in thinking about all of that and seeing what Instagram is offering is like a Not it not to take down YouTube But a completely different thing for for a way for people to upload and be creative with vying being gone for a few years ago And I got really excited. I looked at this as Especially let's really focus on me. So someone who's been on YouTube about ten years now sure kind of in in my little box No pun intended because I do unboxings But just kind of in my box of what I do there are other things I would love to do But the the idea of making another channel on YouTube and starting that over with the you know from zero That just doesn't is the algorithm doesn't work well with that This came along my first thought was wow I can do some I could do some of the things that I've been wanting to do Creatively here with people already who already follow me. So, you know, I got over a hundred thousand people on there What can I create that that will that will excite and give those, you know That would be new content. And so, you know, I've been testing I've done three videos so far The latest one was like a behind-the-scenes Tour of my my desk set up and people love that And I I'm getting a lot of good ideas under our friend Rich DeMiro whose KTLA I've been watching his he's doing like Pretty much like a daily vlog where he's just sitting there one take and answering people's questions Like he'll he'll get a question from the comments today before and he'll address And I think anything like that is good. I have seen some what I consider bad I I see some youtubers, unfortunately Losing it says hey, I'll just upload all my old stuff that I've been doing for years and You can do that, but I think Instagram is really looking for original content here like something that it's not Constantly tying you to another platform something that you can make there Also, the other full pile is people and I yelled at one of my friends about this is uploading deliberately Let the the widescreen mode. So it's Yeah, no no forcing you turn your phone Yeah, so because they're trying to book the system in it and it's like I don't watch those This is meant to be vertical. I want to stick to it. So Instagram and YouTube thing reminds me of when Instagram started Copying snapchat, right? Two years ago, whatever that was and it was like what I saw was a friend of mine would post something on snapchat And then something pretty similar, you know for Instagram stories like I'm just gonna do it in both places And so it was like that's just that wasn't valuable to me What Instagram hopes is that there's not enough overlap between who's following you there versus who's following you on Say a YouTube or wherever you have another audience and that becomes something that you end up Putting more value into and you abandoned where you were before Yeah, that's it. You know, that's that's I'm sure they will love that.  I gotta had a one or two friends It's like I'm just gonna sit back and wait to see what happens to this I'm like, that's that's kind of mistake. I'm able to find and then when I finally decided Oh, I should do this. It's too late. You know, it's been saturated. So I'm trying to get in early on this and I I am so geeked about I feel like it's a lot of promise in a way What did you do something fresh that I haven't been able to do on YouTube because YouTube is so kind of old and what's that? Olden it's not old in the tooth long tooth or whatever that long in the tooth. Yeah, long. Yeah So, yeah, this this is you know, Instagram's been around for a while. I've had an account a while This is new and and and fresh and one of the reasons I don't like doing stories as much is because of that limit Yeah, but when it has something longer to say after hit Paul uploaded then say and then you see people with like 15 different Posts that they're trying to say one complete thought and I think this solves solves that a lot So are you considering that I would see you post on there yet I posted a video of my dog playing fetch with my wife just oh, I did see that one. I'm sorry how it worked The community there is going it's gonna let you know of your videos too long Sure, I like yeah, they give you an hour. 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Yeah, some of those facts are true Logan from what he calls sunny Baltimore Congratulations logo Logan has some feedback on Amazon's hospitality version of its assistant We talked about this last week in hotels Logan says I stayed in a boutique on Chicago that had an echo in every room I happen to live in hotels 10 months straight out of the year Logan is a busy traveler and one use I can see with echoes is disrupting the traditional concierge service that we see in hotels With the digital variant way not to bother somebody in the lobby or wait in line to get what you need from the concierge Where you could just ask the speaker in your room one of the features I missed though was being able to connect my Amazon music service to the room So I'm glad it looks like that is a feature coming at least in these Marriott hotel variants that they're rolling out with Initially the device was able to control the thermostat the lights in my room really well But I like the idea of requesting room service. That's not something you necessarily need every day But it keeps you from having to make a phone call and bugging somebody downstairs See room service is the one that I can't make up my mind about on the one hand. I love the idea of being able to say Send a burger to my room, right and then be done with it But there's so many opportunities for misunderstanding and room service anybody who stayed in a hotel and ordered room service It was this that I like to be able to you know talk to a person and like so you so you've got my order correct This is what I want And it's not like I'm being picky about stuff But just sometimes there's various options on the menu and I'd be worried that the echo wouldn't be set up with the right Defaults to to give me what I want sometimes Well Lamar you do you do a fair amount of traveling do you Do you like the idea of an echo in your room or is I do I'm sit a reason I was sitting here thinking I was in deep thought thinking about the room service idea and I was like It's time being a old man or is he accurate here? And I do question I think it's a mix of mix of both there. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, you have a good part with that. I love the idea it like If it's the echo of it's the Google whatever it you know, if it's something that just makes my stay there easier Then it's fine As long as you know, you're not hearing your your neighbors next to you yelling Oh The lights Well, I mean obviously logo logo Logan at traveling ten months out of the year I he's traveling a lot more than I do and most people listening, you know I would would would say the same but it does just point to him say, you know, I'm out of town I want my Amazon stuff. It just it it Decreases the friction if it works correctly in you know us moving around and I think that that's just The trend that we're gonna see a lot more of yeah agreed Well, another trend I'd like to see a lot more of is Lamar Wilson being on Daily Tech news show Thanks for being with us this morning. We've missed you. What's going on? 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I've been saying this Tom knows very well on the show like If you can get a robot that can that can handle fruit You're like 80% of the way there for any other delicate test because fruits are so easy to smush I mean granted they grow certain varieties of oranges and tomatoes and stuff to handle the Picking and shipping and sorting process But like fruit you can't kiwi fruit Another thing is that I was watching some documentary something on Netflix But how much we waste food and just like we and the waste comes from Not even before we get it because of how people, you know, they're like, oh, this is not gonna sell because it doesn't look pretty Like we're very much about looks when it comes, you know, like carrots have to look perfect or so There's a lot of waste like 40% of it gets wasted and it should go to like food shelters or you know Or something we put in some soups. I like it's nothing wrong with it You just it doesn't look pretty for the for the shells look appealing and it's weird because you think about it baby carrots were actually kind of Unsulled carrots because people thought they looked to form because they're so tiny but a farmer came up with an idea Why don't I just repackage them and call them baby carrots? Became a thing and that's why maybe it's our little bags. Yep The same but It's terrible. No, I Mean they do spray some stuff on there to keep them like, yeah I heard they're not the most healthy thing to eat which is where it's No, the baby ones because the stuff they spray on it to keep them fresh or whatever because once they peel it Yeah, and then once you feel it. Yeah, you taking off vitamins when you peel it and yeah But they help you see Yeah, also high in sugar fish make you smart carrots help you Remember when the Atkins kind of craze started it was like carrots with the enemy all of a sudden because they're high in sugar for Dietary sugar I will agree with Roger sugar is all sugar but but sugar in a natural delivery mechanism is metabolized different Yeah, sugar like that is added But if you have a sugar that's processed in other words, you have a bag of sugar. Mm-hmm. You you don't have any of that if it's The thing is like hey Roger. I did you did you are you? Selected somebody Zoe says it's not switching between who's speaking No Okay, wait you say something Tom. I'm saying something. Hello I know I Don't know did it break. Did I break it? Hangouts was I didn't say anything because the show rolled fine, but it's been a little weird at least Connection yeah Was it shifting it during the show I hope so because it looked that way from my end It was stuck on Roger said Zoe but after no, but after that that's the the post show or like the entire show It's switching now. I just looked So Sarah say something seems like it's fine now something something something something Look, I I'm sorry. I didn't mean to derail what was a lovely conversation about dietary sugar I just wanted to make sure that Roger hadn't accidentally like selected somebody so it's fine carry on Let's talk about you say carrot on We've we've we've not a broccoli we've bred our fruits and vegetables to bread bread To have harsh amounts of sugar than they would naturally we have yeah, why did we do anything because we like sugar?  It's like I understand that there is sugar in that But there's nothing sugary about it It's you don't want carrots added to things because Roger is saying can easily be taken out of context right over time We have selected the stuff that tastes better and the stuff that tastes better tends to have higher sugar than the wild Versions of stuff so carrots now that we grow have more sugar in them than wild carrots did before we domesticated No, I didn't say you took it out of context I mean you could take what you said out of context I was basically being like but carrots aren't that sweet Try cooking carrots. They actually come out super sweet That's true Don't even just eat them like dice them and in the little I used to do I used to juice so I know the carrot juice is pretty sweet But it you got rid of all the delicious fiber. Oh, I that's why I don't juice anymore I I do understand that the fibers will slows down the glycemic loop. So it's not the fire is also what gives you a normal bowel movements Yep, thank you. Thank you Roger Here's to everyone eating recommended Well, you know part of the argument is that your GI tract is actually designed to pull nutrients as it passes through well another thing is that food gives you energy What Thank you, Tom you guys are full of trivia today. I don't know about that one Did you know that food we eat it? Wait a minute.    You would have to eat a lot of apple seeds. Are we have cranky geeks right now? What is going on? I used to be a regular I know and that's why I mentioned it and I was that if I say we were talking about Adult websites and my glasses all steamed up because It's a great human day in San Francisco But John DeVaric was was having a fun old time pointing out that I was my favorite show back in a day That was my first HD show to watch HD yeah Backward HD really When you would hear that a tree would grow inside your body if you accidentally swell to see it was like very scary like And it's like, okay, I understand that that's just something that parents said But why did why were we told that it's not like kids secretly want to eat all these seeds Was that we they thought we'd choke? Yeah, I think I think there are two motivations one was like safety like you shouldn't be swallowing these seeds It's not good for you give you indigestion. You could choke the other was I want to mess with you Yeah, so When you become a parent, you don't really get any bet like you don't become a better person because you're I Love that honesty It's like, you know, maybe not me, but I have noticed and a number of You know It's kind of like alcohol you become more of the person you're ready are Children are like Boos Roger check They heighten your Your desire to tell people falsehoods They make tall tales of what happened to your uncle George or something So say he just got arrested in this then County law that I think we've gone into some deep Personal territory here. I don't have an uncle George just No, there's I can think of without going into any details lots of Some something that I was told at one point for like, you know, maybe my parents were like You know, just keep let's let's keep this simple and then later on I'm like, wait That's not what you told me when I was seven. I remember this clearly Yeah, well now that you're older here's what happens guess what pizza is not made of goats. We're very sorry I don't know why we ever said that Yeah So strawberry robots forever is what I titled the show Do you guys see the Paul McCartney karaoke carpool karaoke But I know the guy cried, right? I heard something that guy you mean James Corden. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's the guy Yes, and he did he didn't tear up. Yes that other man You two keeps pushing it to me my recommended. It's like you will watch this I've seen it four times or recommend it. I just haven't clicked it yet I'm probably part of the problem because I watched it and it knows that you and I are connected You should watch It was really it's it's a whole show though.  I just like McCartney what part of you? Yeah McCartney Not the guy who did the red scare Not a fan of him. Yeah Yeah, I'm a fan of Paul McCartney as a beetle I'm less interested in all of his work since then although it's super prolific and I admire him very much But yeah, I'm like I wouldn't go to a Paul McCartney concert I just don't like having as you're not having a simply wonderful Christmas time. Well, I do like that Had enough of silly love songs, but I look around me and I see it isn't so oh my god Uncle Merritt strikes again. There's a there's a shark and then and then there's me skiing and I have the show is Oh Happy days Wow, I didn't realize that would be so controversial. I I withdraw the silly love I learned about band on the run, I didn't even know that I was Paul McCartney. I learned about that from guitar hero Oh, I always thought it was man on the run I mean not that I heard the song all that often, but I just I thought it was man on the run Because it sounds like I always thought it was two separate songs because it's it really is two different things going on there There's that beginning and then it goes faster So yeah, I'd never knew was Paul for all these years until recently. I was like, oh, okay I didn't know he did a band called wings. Yes. I'm with Linda. I had no idea. Yeah Well kids ask your parents whom Paul McCartney is We're gonna say goodbye to our video folks. We love you my video folks have a pleasant day But we're gonna keep on going for the patrons to talk about John Lennon now


Hello. Good afternoon guys. So, I'm Ravi. I'm the co-founder of PeopleTech Ventures as well as the Philaxx company. Today I'm going to talk about how to build an application based platform along with applications from scratch.  I want to build my own free data application. Anything related to location. So here I'm going to talk about based on my experience in Dunlop. Like, how can you build your own application? Basically, we're taking some examples of databases as well as technologies on the day existing. So, just to give you a brief about what I do. So, the next idea is actually a free location-based shopping application and rewards shopping and rewards application. It helps you find offers, rewards, and newer events from tourist brands and across 10,000-plus stores in the country. And we just launched two months back and we are now around 12,000-plus users on Android, Libre, and iOS. And as well as we are on SMS and also on Bebbeb. The best part about the website is it also provides real rewards for simply walking into stores, not just for purchasing. For just walking into stores, you get real rewards as well as for engaging with your favorite brands. NAScom, one of the biggest software body in the country recently, is one of the top apps. And also we got featured by Samsung App Store. So, I mean, I just want to dive into the topic. So what is geospatial location data? So, I mean, I would call it as any data which has a location associated with it. So it can be users. So most of the applications are users. So what is this location? So it can be a location which is an Android application which basically are users. So they can be a laptop associated with every user. So the data can be of local business as well. The data can be of photos where basically some applications allow users to take photos and basically associate their location with it. And there can be many possibilities with location. That basically is leading to a lot of location-based applications right now. So how do you build such kind of location-based platform in the backend as well as the applications among it? So firstly then, okay, how should I store this data? So I have these huge, I mean, I have these users as well as places of what kind of data it is. But I have locations associated with it. So how should I store this data? But the location, the data can be queried, I mean, the data can be searched, queried with a lot of different possibilities of querying. So we can use any storage medium which basically supports Geospatial Indexing. So what do you mean by Geospatial Indexing? So Geospatial Indexing is basically supports, I mean, it's basically a 2D index on the lat-long attribute which basically helps you to query different kinds of files which I'll be showing you. So first, I will use the technology of MongoDB basically to explain the queries that can be possible and also that MongoDB basically supports Geospatial Indexing out-of-the-box. And there are many advantages of MongoDB. So I just have to focus on basically to use some technology to explain how can we develop a complete platform. So here I use MongoDB because it's fast, easy to set up and run, that's diverse across all languages. The best part is it stores documents directly. Like, what are the objects you have? Like, it can be a case or a user or it can be put out. So it stores directly objects in JSON, which is a binary form of JSON. And it also supports location sharing. So I don't want to go into all that. So what is it all for? I mean, so most of the use cases are like this, right? Find all of the other users near me. Find the closest sharing museums near me. Find the closest 20 venues near me. So find the closest 20 places with the real additions of 5 kilometers from your location. So there are a lot of various which basically use cases which are required by many applications. So how do we do all that? So that's what I'm going to talk about. So MongoDB basically supports Geospatial Indexing out-of-the-box Right now it's currently limited to only Earth-like dimensions where there's less money needed in each access. So to make the map easier and to make it very faster, it assumes that the Earth is flat. What do you mean by Earth is flat? It basically assumes that one degree of flat, one degree of latitude and as well as one degree of longitude is the same distance. It assumes that. I mean, that is not a problem for most of the location-based applications unless you are very concerned about small distances. And of course it has methods to handle the coverage of it where the Earth is spherical, consider the Earth is spherical. But the performance can be a bit less. So how do you structure your data? So by the way, if you have any questions, just feel free to ask me directly. So let's say we assume that we basically store the data of businesses, local businesses. So here I'll talk about local businesses. So let's say we have an object on its place which basically has a location which is a latitude or longitude. And name is here and tax. Tax basically this category is associated with a museum or you can assume it. So you can store the location as said here, like mentioned here. You can store the location as an object like X and Y coordinates. Or you can even mention any other keys, longitude or latitude. By the way, how many of you guys know about Mongo? Oh really? Okay, so that's good. So that's easy. But you need to make sure that you always follow the same convention of ordering. So you either follow a lat long or you follow a long lat. But don't mix up some documents having lat, long and some documents with long lat. So you need to ensure that you follow the same order of consistency. And before we go about pairing, so you need to create an index on this data. So because it needs to identify that the location attribute, the location object, attributes basically except it should, I mean, if you need to identify it as a 2D object, which is basically the location, geospatial index, you need to create a geospatial index on that key location. So it's very simple. So here I'm actually showing you the JavaScript concept of Mongo. I mean, and there are different language drivers and then the queries are really similar. So I'm showing you this, this basically if you need to create a geospatial index, use a console, you basically do a dv.dev.exe index. And by default it will assume it is yet like dimension, it will create defaults as minus 180 plus 180. And if you are indexing something else, I mean, if you like something, some different application as this use case where you want to index, scale the index so that you can show the values between minus 500 and 500, you can always provide other attributes minimum and maximum. But one limitation is that you can only have one geo index by collection factor. And what if? Okay. So and the other best part about Mongo is you can create component indexes because many times in your applications you want basically, okay, I want to know the closest end museums. Okay. So it's always something like category or tags associated with it. And most of the applications will have something like this kind of queries where you basically have, you need to use two fields, two keys. So that's the reason Mongo provides, yeah, optional as component indexes so that you could, so when you basically use a, let's say you are sure that you basically use queries, most of the queries are with location and tags keys. Okay. Then you create a component index so that the, so that the performance of the queries will be much faster. It creates a component index as if, okay, it will automatically make the performance faster when you're pairing with the two fields, two keys. What if you're, I mean, yeah. And MongoDB has much more complex scenarios it can support where you basically have not only, okay, you not only have one location object, you have multiple area of location objects in a document. It's a, for example, I need to store all the paths between multiple places. I have 100 places. I need to store different paths between these places, like let's say map directions. Okay. So how do you store it? So I, and then you can store something like this, db.path.insert, name. So let's say na of a places q and na of a places i, both, yeah, both that would be a long bit of q and i. And then you can, you can basically store, structure the data in this format, like na qi and places, and na of places, we have na q2i. And similarly you can have a path, I want to say na qi n, and then have a place as an area of three locations. Okay. But then even also, see, these are, Mongo actually, these we call, actually as an embedded documents. So these are actually embedded document, say document inside a document, that's what you call it as embedded document. You can even have an area of embedded documents, that's what we are seeing here. Okay.  So then you can actually make queries saying that, okay, I want to know all the paths starting from q, or like I want to know all the paths where q is actually present. So something like this. I'll go with the queries now, start with the basic geospatial queries. Next, I want to find the closest 20 places to a given location. So it's very simple, you can say, you can find location near the given latrons from which location you want to be, and then give a limit of 20. And similarly if you want to know the, and this is the most common use case for most of the location applications. Let's see if you want to know the common, like finally it also depends to a given location that actually goes to one degree of the given location. Then you could do it, do the standard queries. And we use most of, we use these as the basic queries to develop our application, and there are much more complex queries we use. But this is the most basic for most of the common application. Let's say I want to... So when you do a linear application search, you know a latron search in MongoDB, it's a linear search, right? It does not understand the geometry of the... Yeah, it's a flag. It has a flag. It's a flag. It means again that we cannot use this as a very accurate way of getting distance, but not as a very approximate search. Yes, exactly. Most of the applications will not have a problem unless you are very critical, but it's not necessary. Unless you're doing something that's not for a software. Yeah, and there's not a good search. Exactly. This query is a latitude, not a design. No, the thing is, it's a latron thing, but inside MongoDB, all it does is the linear comparison. It's just X, Y. It just X, Y, exactly. So this means that if your permissive is fairly high, like when you have fairly high latitudes or fairly low latitudes, it doesn't work well. Yeah, but it has support for those queries, actually. Spatial queries also. So it's got proper spatial queries also? Yeah, it has proper spatial queries. You're near and spoken. So does it have a spatial engine? Yeah. Exactly. Or do you have to... So how does a spatial query run? I mean, like, how does it support time? I mean, it has basically... it has this hash map on... hash map, how do you... something like that. How does it actually work inside? You mean the spatial queries or the general queries? There's spatial queries. Like, how is it... I mean, when you look at it, compared to, like, the postgres spatial engine, like, how do you compare the accuracy of the query that you're getting back? Okay, I mean, as far as I know, these queries are not so accurate. Basically, that's which way they assume the latitudes flag. But when they assume the latitudes basically they consider, those queries are fairly accurate. Yeah, because... but the point is like this, I mean, these... the performance of these queries is much faster when compared to them. So the postgres is this, right? This is how they... most of the location pages use this itself. I mean, because that's... I mean, you don't need, generally, in most of the cases. And... And then, you know, how a complex query is like, let's say if I want to bond, let's say I want to know the closest places within the addition of five kilometers. So those are possible because, let's say, maximum dollar-max distance is five. And something which specific to us, basically, we, you know, after each of these, you basically search for Samsung and Galaxy Note or something. I want to know the... offers near this location, near my location, which place they are, or Samsung and Galaxy Note, Samsung and Galaxy Note. So I can basically do... So that's what... So I created a Compole Index before, because then this query should be much faster. If you don't create a Compole Index, then this query should not be faster, but it will just take this as the index and then make the query, and then again, it does again the second query. So... So you need to have this Compole GSP index, different on both, each together for better performance. And you can have, there are much more possibilities that are like, bounded to a specific place. Like, let's say, I want to know all the places in this... in this attack. Okay. So that is also fairly possible. It's simple. It's basically, say, the location is in box 10, 10, 10, 10, 10. So you basically... So then you get the places, all the places, which are basically within this attack. Yeah. And simply you can do this center problem. You want to know all the places. It was just to... I mean, from this center, there are additions of 5... 5 kilometers. But the point is, dollar meter is much more powerful and then as well as useful than the thing. So that's... And the performance of dollar meter is much faster than the thing. So that is the reason many people use that dollar meter. And there are many more queries, which are more like, as I said, like special queries and all which I'm not going to insert into... because I want to go to the front end part of the application. Yeah. So here it's talked about proximity. But let's say, I want to create something which is more related to things I would sell at the data. Okay. I sell carrots. So is another store. I want to find the cheapest... about from carrots, I sell many other things. Okay. So if I want to do such a query, which is... Maish, I can't hear you. Sorry. Is the mic there? Thanks. Yeah. So the thing I'm more trying to get at is, one is... I got two geo points and I'm trying to find what is closest better or not easy out of the box queries. But now, in a given point, there are multiple things I as a retailer sell. I want to bring out what pricing I have for each of the products that I'm selling. If I were to take a textbook example, okay, I got mangoes, I got tomatoes, carrots. So is the neighboring store two kilometers away. But I want to, you know, bring out all these prices, put it on the website and... See, I mean... So who would that have who would acquire... Does it support? See, it's all about stretching your data. That's what I call it. Okay. So basically, I'll take your example. So basically, I have all the products in the collection. And then each product I give you a pricing. Okay. So then you basically, and then I say that these products are specifically present at these locations. So I can have an area of stores, so I want to know, basically, something that's in note is present at these all locations. You can basically have an array of, which I showed you, array of places. And you basically have each place as a laptop. And then... Okay, but you mentioned the price of each store is different at each store. The cheapest one will do I get. Which is the first one that came up. Who's... the latest one, things like that. Would it support? I'm not trying to get it. How would I do? Yeah, yeah, exactly. It supports everything. I'm doing a place, place down something which is inside, as against comparing two things with the natural leader. Yes, yes, exactly. So that's what we do. We actually do a lot of fairly complex stuff in our application. So that's the thing. So you'll have to structure the data such that depending upon what you want to pay. So at the end of the day you're just not just making it work. You need to make it work within the best performance way. You'll have to structure your data. And in Mongo, what happens is that it's not a problem of duplication. In this database you can, the main consumption duplicates your data. In Mongo, you do duplicate your data as long as the performance is good. So for duplicate your data, keep the same thing like let's say mango at some store one at this price. Mango at store two at the other price. Then I basically say that DB Road is fine in the mangoes and which is the cheapest price. Like price less than this much. So give me all the results. So it also gives me the stores which at which this price, at which this price are present. So you could do all that. You'll have to structure your data in that way. I mean, I want to go to the front end now. I mean, so since I want to cover the both parts. So these are our cases we basically have a back end which basically a pyramid-based back end and we basically have a rest area which front ends all the front ends can do. And yeah, I just wanted to say like how the Android location is obtained. Because many people actually make some mistakes and then also like I just want to make it clear to everyone about it. So Android location is obtained through wireless networks and GPS. So the pros and cons of each are like wireless networks are very fast and accuracy depends upon the area center or you know, Bi-Fi hub hub. So it basically varies from 100 meters to multiple million. GPS takes a lot of time initially for the first time for the initial fix. It's like maximum one minute. After that it takes 10 seconds to basically get a fix.  So how to write your course as you may know take the best possible I mean you want to write the battery less you want to obtain the location faster you want to provide the best experience to your users how to do all this. So this is the way we can do it. So whenever you basically start application you say and Android generally what it does is basically whenever let's say some expanded application called for location whenever it got the location it will store itself in there basically Android itself stores it and when my application actually asked Android it towards the case location and I can see okay and it also tells me when it is actually found that location and I can see okay the case location is too old I don't want to use that location then I ask it to phone so then I basically since the wireless networks location is very fast so I get the location from wireless networks either from cell or Wi-Fi which is available okay and and then once I get the location and most of the application don't do it but it's better to okay take the location provide the results to the user because you don't want to show the user loading for a lot of long term until you get the most accurate results to the user and then and then in the background and then as well of course you will be getting the GTS space which is one way or depending on how much time so once you get the GTS location update the existing Android update the existing location and then use this new location to basically do the next results so what we do actually we actually showed the location share difference and use it when we are making API calls like I showed in the front end and yeah especially it's easy and fun on Mongo you can now build your own checking application on Android you can also build your own field or any other photos application on your next Instagram so and running Mongo on any cloud is fairly easy as long as you are developing something very complex and you are at a very production space then you basically will have to go to Ritika's search and other stuff yeah so we are hiring those who will keep us not at all yeah do you consider Mashi to be special about this so okay we started developing last June last year so at that point of time we basically looked at technology stacks of I mean all the second money startups as well and then I am actually not interested in MySQL lot because the the programming objects directly basically are similar to the data objects which we store in the Mongo and then it out of the box supports you and we and we always use the latest stuff we are ready to take this so that's what we do I thought of graph data Neo4j yeah so many problems can be solved see we use to all the users and walkings and all the interactions everything main data source so Mongo suits our needs as a primary data store as well as it also allows to do that Neo4j so if I use Neo4j I don't know whether I can use up it as a primary data store as well then I use two data stores separately so that Neo4j is nothing but a deployment store so when you want to navigate your data which is the case with geospatial usually typically you would want to navigate the data so graphs are what you need there so that is when you could use so there's nothing which Mongo can do and Neo4j can't do so you could actually model the documents it's all about can do and not can do okay I'll tell you the point is this is suited out it's so database I think people should choose database because of the requirements I think we felt Mongo is a better is a better because one thing is we want to be very fast we don't and then we and then I was also used to Mongo like just two months back that time and then and then I so as the really increases as a number of users increase I don't need to look into a new stack or something so that's so that's where Mongo helps and as well as I can start I can if I have a lot of data so then I can start across medical machines so that's where so the which part of Mongo is that I can increase my machines as well as I increase the infrastructure based on the number of users and number of data supports replication and redundancy in HA the high availability cluster uses zookeeper for replication and redundancy one year back of course yes Sharding Sharding is not there with Neo4j but sharding is there with some orthographic psychoneum of you orient dp is one Titan is another which supports HBase and Kasanda out of the box so your document store requirements get satisfied with those stores also those are key value we are looking towards because we want to make our search better oh yeah Neo4j comes with Lucy one thing that we noticed when we explore Neo4j was there are two versions of it and some HA and monitoring features HGPR what's kind of about the production products I think if any of you guys are interested in Mongo actually we have a MongoDB user too thank you MongoDB I actually am one of the founders of this I think


It blows my mind that Scorsese was working on this movie when he was doing the Irishman. The bonkers. Ooh, that's a hot mug, guys. Hey guys, this is my review for Killers of the Flower Moon. For those of you who keep an eye on Martin Scorsese's IMDb, this has been on there for quite a long time. I feel this is a better experiment than that of what the Irishman was. The Irishman was something we'd all been waiting for for quite a long time, and it also basically just had the holy trio again. But I did find that the Irishman didn't have as much punch to it as I would have hoped. And also, there were some silly bits you all know the part I'm talking about. Flowers of a Broken Moon is such a great story told from a villain, from an antagonistic perspective, that you can't help but be thoroughly intrigued. The film follows the Native American band who were pushed out of their territory over and over and over again by Western and American expansion to the point where they were taken to this area that was considered completely barren and useless and they discovered oil. And they then became some of the most rich people in the world, and the local community could not stand to have natives be richer than they were. And eventually this plan to usurp them through marriage, through murder, through espionage, through hot throat, literal cutthroat tactics, to take the very riches, the very splendor, the very success that the people had gained for themselves despite being put into the scenario and how almost nothing was done about it. Now there's a lot of going back and forth about the representation of this movie and about how they feel that it wasn't done in the proper way. It should have been a lot more from Lily Gladstone's character. The problem is if you look up the notes about the book, the book is kind of told from a who done it perspective. It would have been slightly kind of disingenuous and if anything disrespectful to kind of take it like that. From the very onset, you know who the villains are. You know who the people do not trust are. One of the best parts about the trailer that immediately maybe want to watch this movie, that part where all of the people are in that room in the dark and they all turn to look at the camera, Leonardo says in the background, can you spot the wolves in this picture? That is the basis of this movie. That is what this is about. Robert Iniro gives one of the best subtle villain performances I think he's ever done. I feel that this is what Joe Pesci was trying to do in The Irishman, but Iniro does it to where you know what he's doing is evil. You know what he's doing is for the betterment of himself, but he's able to almost trick you into forgetting what he's done.  He knew how to speak the language. He became friends with the chiefs. He was trusted by them and he used that trust to kill them. And Leo is his instrument because Leo plays a real dumbass in this movie.  It's his involvement, his kind of following without means to an end that help bring about the chaos, but he does slowly start to see the monstrosity that he's created. And it's because of his wife who was played by Lily Gladstone, who by the way is phenomenal. She is one of the best parts of this movie. She's definitely got to be nominated for Best Actress. As far as I'm concerned, she's a contender because she's the heart of this movie. Some people were a little bit upset that what she wasn't in it as much as they wanted her to be, but her character, her person, the actual person she's based on was sick for a good portion of it. And there's a good reason as to why. As why I like the relationship between Leo and Lily because it's destructive, it makes you mad, but you also see the care. There's so many multifaceted aspects to this movie that it's not just good guy, bad guy. There are layers on layers on layers in terms of the storytelling, in terms of the characters, in terms of their means to an end. And then they also just the representation in the film with the colors, the cinematography, the music. Everything is so well put together. And it amazes me that he's able to make these three and a half long hour bangers. And I have to say too, the pacing for this is great. If I were to have a choice between two and three and a half hour long Scorsese movies, it was The Irishman or Killers of a Flower Moon, I would choose Killers. Both were expertly edited by my favorite film editor in the business, Thelma Schoonmaker. She's been editing for Scorsese for forever, but she nails it even more than she already has done. Is the pacing as quick as Wolf of Wall Street? No, that movie's got probably some of the best pacing I've ever seen, but it's close. It's not as quick and spunky as Wolf of Wall Street, but it's much more condensed. It's much more tragic. It's much more fruitful for what it is trying to tell, what the story it's trying to tell.  Like I mean, you're not going to pop this on. It's long.  Like there's nothing you could cut. There's probably even more that was probably originally filmed for this, but they couldn't put it in. Overall Killers of a Flower Moon is worth the hype. If you're not a fan of big long movies, I understand. You probably won't enjoy this. But I do believe that this film has the excellence I was expecting from The Irishman, and it surprised me on that fact. I think that the acting is top notch. The story is top notch. All the way from beginning to its very sorrowful ending. The cinematography, the editing, the music, all of it, just gold. And that's why I'm going to give Killers of the Flower Moon a 7 out of 7. I gave two of those this year. Both of them, surprisingly enough, are historical dramas. But those are my thoughts about this movie. Very curious to see what you guys have to say. Let me know in the comments below. Did you enjoy it? In comparison to The Irishman or this movie, which would you prefer? I hope you enjoyed this review. If you did, leave a like and if you're interested in more, subscribe. Until then, see you guys next time.


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