I think Lee's coming, but he's got the wrong date in the doc, so I'm not entirely sure. He put February 21st and like, we'll see. Hey Lee, thanks for sending over the document. I'll try to fill it in by this week in the latest and send it back to you, okay? Nice. Yeah, thank you, Michael. I'm hoping it's mostly a copy and paste. Yeah, it should be. There's one caveat. There's some users that are using Contour that are not willing to speak about it publicly. We may have to figure out, you know, either you guys will trust us. I want to say leading financial institution, they're using it, or we might have to set up some private meeting for them to disclose that to you. Ingress is one of those things that people are trying to guard fairly, keep it close to the vast in terms of them not communicating they're using it. So we'll have at least five of such customers are not willing to speak publicly. Oh, okay. Okay. I remember a conversation with Ross Kugolinski about a year ago. Probably he'd mentioned a three-letter acronym, Japanese centric organization that was, maybe that was in context of Gimbal, but yeah, he, for my part, I'm convinced. Yeah, that was Gimbal, the one in Japan. Oh, I see. Okay. But still Contour underneath. Nice. Well, I'm hopeful that we'll have Watson, who was on the call last week or last, last time we met on today's call. By the way, since we haven't started yet, I have a quick question from Matt Klein and Amy. So when we basically pushed Contour for donation, we had three sponsors, Alexis, Matt and Joe Beta. And we started the process. It, you know, we did the TOC presentation and now it's in sick review. Are we going to be forced to go back and find new sponsors now that the other folks are no longer in the CNCF? I mean, I wouldn't say forced, but we will definitely work to be able to find you new sponsors. We will. So we have to go find you. We will need to have different sponsors because they're no longer on the TOC. Okay. Yeah, we should, we should start that process. It's obviously unfortunate that this happened during the turnover, but I suspect that we won't have too many issues finding other sponsors. Matt, would it be possible for you to send a note to the private TOC emailing list and see, I mean, we don't need to be privy to that and see if anybody's willing to sponsor Contour. Yeah, let me make sure. I would actually wait until we get through the assessment here simply because it's just easy to be able to point towards here. The assessment is done here, like go forward. Simply because with TOC and Sandbox, we don't need to be able to bring it to a vote. This is for donation. I thought Sandbox was a done deal if we wanted it. Sorry, this is for incubation. I thought Sandbox was a done deal. So incubation would require a vote. Yeah, that's why I'm thinking. So yeah, for Sandbox, I thought it was a done deal if we wanted it. And we said, let's go for incubation. For Sandbox, that's where you need those three TOC sponsors. We had them at that point and we said, let's not go for Sandbox. Let's go for incubation. So I thought Sandbox, if we wanted it, would have had it back in January. Okay, we can take this one offline because I know we've got other things to be able to cover today. No problem. Very good. Okay. Well, another short call, I suspect, which is probably good. I think so the other project that's under review or up proposal currently is service matching interface, SMI. I believe we are in context of SIG network. I believe we're done there. I think we, for those that were on the call when they proposed, we gave them the commensurate questions and facilitated pointing over to PR, the same due diligence template isn't necessary for SMI as they're kind of refactoring to come in at a Sandbox level. And as such, I think the most important criteria there is TOC member sponsorship. So the link to the PR is in the meeting minutes. On the PR, I believe, so we've got Matt as a, you know, a volunteered sponsor. I believe Jeff Brewer as a second. And so Jeff continues, Jeff is, with all of the TOC change up, Jeff is still on the TOC. That's correct. Okay. Which is two. And then I think the third and fourth were, I'm not sure if there are open question marks in terms of Michelle and Brandon being, coming from the, I don't know, in terms of those who coming from Microsoft, kind of the parent company of the project, if you will. I don't know that there's a. Yeah, I think we can review that later. What I am looking for in this particular PR is a link over to the review from this particular group. Right. Amy, that's a good, educate me if you would. We didn't produce, other than the meeting minutes and kind of the questions that were asked on the call. We didn't produce a separate dock. Yeah, let's review that. Simply because we should, we should definitely have something to be able to point to. I can point you towards what app delivery is just done for volcano, if that would help. Yeah. Here, I'll just put it into the dock. Give me a second to be able to do so. Okay. Cool. All right. Yeah, we might have a short meeting today. Okay. And then after, as you're retrieving that, Amy, then the third topic today I was hopeful for, and I was a little bit late getting to Watson on this or W Watson who had raised up this question earlier this week, I think, about cloud-native-principles.org, which I think his suggestion was, was when we had had the deep dive at this last QubeCon about SIG Network, he was in the audience and had asked, inquired about whether or not there was interest in adopting such things, these cloud-native principles. I had been aware of some authoring of some, some such definitions. And I think in the time that we had had the deep dive and now there's a cloud-native-principles.org, which is hyperlinked in the meeting minutes. Between this cloud-native-principles.org and the proposal for patterns and architecture that we spoke of last time we met, one looking to have a conversation, I suppose, in a map maybe with Liz or with the TOC at large about the proposals for patterns and architecture that we spoke of a couple of weeks ago, that those are surface mesh-centric in nature, which is fine, there's a lot to go through in there. But I think the way in which it's couched is that it would be much broader for all cloud-native architecture and patterns, which I don't know is that any, any particular working group could chew through that seems pretty gnarly. Yeah, I mean, from a practical perspective, it seems like we would be better served by being focused. Patterns would not apply to PubSub systems? No, I mean, I think that we can expand it out to do what makes sense. I think doing something around patterns that cover both PubSub as well as RPC makes sense to me. Okay, yeah, thanks. And Ed, since you're on the call and occasionally interact with, I think, you know, some of the same folks who've authored the cloud-native networking principles or cloud-native principles, do you have any context that you can share about the definition of the... I can make a few guesses that I just came across this website when I looked at the agenda today. So I'm still adjusting it, although, but effectively, I think part of what it is is we're also used to living in a cloud-native world that we sort of, it's very easy to lose sight of the degree to which this is a giant mental shift for most folks. And particularly, I think these guys are trying to figure out how to articulate that cloud-native is not just, you know, open stack with containers to the broader networking world that lives below L7. And I think that's an articulation that would be helpful for a lot of people because we're all in different places in our journey of having wrapped our heads around this space. Yeah, I agree. And so my understanding of the cloud-native principles is that the genesis of it was, or it seems to be within the tug, the telecom user group? It seems to have a lot of those folks, but they seem to be drawing from some of the concepts from the TOC's cloud-native definition.  Those are some of the aspects in the TOC's definition of cloud native. And they're generally in motherhood and apple pie, but how do you sort of project those down into a different domain is an interesting question. Yeah. I know that on this particular, on this set of this paper, these topics, I know Dan Kahn has, I think, helped facilitate the some of this work. So just another touch point. This is also somewhat random and happenstance that the individual that raised up this question on W. Watson, who was on last, the call that we had had a couple of weeks ago, I think he'll actually be at tonight's meet-up in Austin. I know Watson, he's a very thoughtful guy. So he thinks deep thoughts about things, and then he comes back and you realize he's thought even deeper thoughts about the thing. So, all right. So then, so this is very well aligned with the Charter of SIG Network, and so is the proposal from Paul Bauer about also cloud-native networking-centric things. Either of the two of which or both of which seem like good topics of discussion for this group. It seems like there could be some, I don't know, some casting or some characterization of one versus the next and helping each of them lean into slightly different verticals, if you will, or slightly different layers maybe is the other way of putting it, and asking, maybe seeking out whether or not there's a desire to coalesce these into... That would certainly be, I mean, if coalescing is possible, that's certainly lovely. It's one of these things where I've routinely said, not so much in this venue, but in other venues, that mindless diversions is bad. But if you actually are dealing with the problem spaces that are different enough that the solutions need to be expressed differently, then that's perfectly fine, but you kind of figure that out by talking to each other. Yeah. Okay. So Matt, unless you have different thoughts here, I think that the thing that I'm trying to do is gain an audience with Liz, who's been involved in the other suggestions around patterns, and I forget what it's called, but the ones that we were talking about earlier from Paul Bauer, and to come to understand whether or not she'd had an appetite. It sounded like she'd had an appetite for that effort to be not just on cloud-native networking, but cloud-native, the whole kit in Kaboodle. Yeah. I mean, why don't we talk to Liz? I'm going to be honest in saying that I don't really have any experience producing these types of white papers. So I'm not really sure what people are looking for and the right process by which we will find resources to go and do it. From a project management perspective, like I said before, I would rather see us start small and targeted and do something that covers like we're saying before RPC and PubSub and maybe ServiceVesh and not block on some giant thing, but happy to chat with Liz first. Yeah. I totally agree that there is a need across the giant thing, but that would need to be its own SIG and then with many sub-working groups, I would think. Because there was at one point, Dan Kahn was hosting a CNCF reference architecture discussion I think every couple of weeks to once a month. And part of that was a reflection and refinement of the CNCF landscape and just solicitation of opinions from those that would attend. But that was just for purposes of trying to categorize icons into a landscape and not for purpose of writing practices and principles across all of cloud-native infrastructure. I very much like the notion of breaking the world into small pieces. I think trying to boil the whole world is in addition to being relatively futile, almost guaranteed to produce a radically suboptimal outcome. The one thing I would say that we might be helpful is to have enough interaction with folks to help. Because I'm also with you, Matt. I'm very much on team. I don't read white papers. I don't write them. I don't even viscerally understand them personally, but I understand they're important to people. And so I'm supportive of the fact that they're helpful to people. You just spoke my mind. The one thing I have been able to find over time that is helpful that I can do for the white paper people is not so much to read the white paper doc review because I'm terrible at that, but that just periodically having conversations can be helpful. Particularly, as I said, with people at different levels of their journey through this process. Just for what, yeah. I suspect that neither of the two of you put much stock into Gartner or Forrester or 451 reports either. I love talking to them. They're fantastic people. But I don't read things. I understand that white papers are very important for people. I understand academic papers are very important for other people. Neither of them are subjectively important to me, but that doesn't mean they're not important. Yeah. Yeah, you know, actually, just since we're talking about this, I think that there is just even to the extent that they normalize nomenclature so that we can, conversations can be hastened and facilitated through a common use of a word or a descriptor is helpful. I did post into a chat and into the meeting minutes, an example of the work that we had done within the serverless working group and the production of a white paper there. There was a parallel or corollary serverless sub-landscape or sub-landscape for serverless. That was kind of part and parcel to the creation of this white paper as well. And so just as something to reference in terms of what that might look like when it comes out. And Colin, yeah, I vehemently agree with Matt in terms of PubSub being inclusive to that and also being refreshingly specific vertical to actually gain traction on, get something down on and So anyway, I'm trying to just to discuss that a bit further. Like what, what, can you give me an example of what vertical that would be? Are you talking about technology stack or you're talking about market technology stack or yep. Sorry, I was just trying to say that not basically being in opposition of trying to form of the cloud native principles and architecture white paper or set of white papers overarkingly, but rather just saying, hey, let's choose something small and get some traction. Oh, sure. Good. So I don't necessarily have a proposal here other than just to circle the wagon with or circle the wagons, I guess with both Watson, I guess this evening and then hopefully Liz shortly to get a sense of the appetite that each of those groups have and then hopefully begin to facilitate something here. If you want a deadline, not that you needed one, but our next TOC meeting is Tuesday, March 3rd. You don't like deadlines, deadlines are fine. Come on. No, this means that you can actually have like, you know, something to be able to put forward the next sig update around sig network. That particular call. I was thinking. Hey, Lee, would you happen to have a reference or anything of sort of what level you'd be looking at as patterns and example or something? Because I can certainly try to take a stab at one. Yeah, the probably the best reference is within the, you know, within the meeting minutes and I pasted in the chat, the zoom chat is the CNCF serverless white paper. But kind of a definition of terms definition of the space. Genesis is sort of purpose for that set of those set of technologies to come forth. Well, there's a little bit of reading here, huh? Oh, this is thorough. This is good. And then so very good to Amy. I see your link about the proposal template for SMI to. Yes, look at that one. Don't look at the graduation one. The graduation one will make you a little crazy. But I think the volcano one is probably going to be a little better for you. Sure. Okay, fair enough. Well, we're, we might be about at the end of topics. Since we're a small group, I figured I'd say hi to Naveen. And Naveen, I don't know if you're inclined to introduce or say hi. Please do. Sure. Hey, Lee, thanks for that. So my name is Naveen. I work for a telco software provider. I moved from, so a lot of what you guys are talking about is kind of relevant to me, but I'm also new to the telco world. I came from the enterprise because they're trying to do containers. I work for a company called Mavineer, which is a very small Ericsson, if you think about it. And I hear a lot of things in the tug and I figured I'll hop on and see what you guys talk about here. So I think it's kind of relevant, but it's a little bit new for me, at least from a telco world. So just listening right now, thanks for asking me to at least introduce myself, Lee. Oh yeah, this is great. Actually, to the extent that, to the extent that if you end up spending any time looking through the cloud native, the cloud native principles.org, that if any amount of reflection or opinion that you might express there, as to the benefit of that document would be of interest. Naveen, are you on the CNCF Slack at all? I am. I just joined a couple of days ago. Yeah, pick me. I'll let her issue a bunch of folks in that area. Okay. Thanks, Ed. Perfect. Very good. And then I think the other, another item that I didn't put on here was I put in a request for a similar deep dive on SIG network in at KubeCon. And so I think we're going under the schedule there. Does anyone else have topics for today? Ed, I hope you like pizza, because that's what we're having at tonight's meetup. So that's fine.  So. And then Colin, I guess the kind of the same, same call for reflection from your perspective after you get a sense of the topics that are touched on within the serverless white paper, as you go to reflect on how that might look like, you know, from a pub sub perspective. Yeah, yeah, I could take a look. You know, the first pass certainly wouldn't be to the extent that they've done that there. But you know, it's you got to start somewhere. Yeah, it would be good to begin to produce some some artifacts within the SIG. Yeah, happy to do it. All right. Matt, others anything that we missed today? I don't think so. One other item that just came to mind was there was a couple of other groups that that we want to intentionally liaise with that for my part, I've done a bad job of requesting them to come and kind of give an update on activities within their those groups. I think UDP is one of those. I think the tug is another one of those. But it would be yeah, I think it's just kind of it would be nice to get it general. Here's here's what that group is up to here's how and to do some exploratory exploration and whether or not there's collaboration to be done. Nice. Okay. We're meeting a couple of weeks. Hopefully we'll have some progress on both of the projects that are up for review and maybe some traction on initial white paper. All right, fair enough. Thanks. See you all on the fifth. Bye all. All right. Bye everyone.


Alright, welcome everyone. We'll call the meeting to order. It is um 4 15 We'll call the meeting to order. Okay, roll call Alderperson Felde I see here See you We don't hear you Barb we can't hear you if you can hear us Okay, I'll come back to her. Alderperson Heidemann here Alderperson Decker here Alderperson Ackley is excused um Alderperson Heidemann Some kind of noise well. Oh, I'm sorry Alderperson Felde Alder Felde. Can you hear us? Alderperson Felde. Can you hear us? Is she on? Yeah, I'm on but I'm sound is going in and out. Okay. We can hear you now Okay, you loud and clear. Thanks Okay, um and Alderperson Salazar here Okay, um if you're able can you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? Great, um if we can do an introduction of committee members staff and guests People start down here. Alderperson Heidemann 10th district Alderperson Dean Decker uh 6th district Uh Alderperson Salazar district 3 and chair of the committee Alder Felde if you could hear us would you like to introduce yourself? Yes Alder Felde district 1 Thank you All right, great. Thank you. Okay moving on to agenda item number five approval of minutes for the july 12th of 2023 meeting I make a motion to approve the minutes second great. We've got a motion and second Any discussion? Great all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? I'll wait on that any opposed Great chair votes. I motion carries All right for agenda item number six. Uh, we're presentations of potential applicants for available class B alcohol beverage license Um, I believe they each get five minutes correct Okay, well, I think there's only two in the audience. So I don't see you taking up more than an hour So who would like to go first? Okay, if you can come to the podium here Oh And then I'll need you to state your full name correct Yep, I've been here before right David Engeldinger and I'm here on behalf of the historic shaborgan Masonic Lodge Foundation Inc Seeking a club license for the lodge We currently occupy the space at 1138 union avenue Which is the former vfw? facility For anyone who's been there, you know that there is a bar in the basement Uh, the masonic lodge would like to utilize that space primarily for members and guests to support our fundraising activities And occasionally open up to the public Any questions committee members? I do have a question. Um, when you say open to the public, how often do you do you see like five events a year? Two events a year. What are you currently doing? perhaps, I mean we we do some fundraising activity now we've had Some private dinners we have Last year we did a golf outing and you know having a license to operate the bar certainly would have in our fundraising activity Yeah So occasionally open to the public we are in the process of fixing up the kitchen that is in the building To hopefully have some dinners monthly ish currently our membership meets there twice a month and we use the facility for meals after our meetings and We'd certainly like to have that as an option to expand our our fundraising abilities So currently the usage of the space is for members only? Yes. Okay. And how much is your how many membership? How many? Members do you have? The Sheboygan Masonic Lodge has roughly about 50 members. Okay, not all of them active or even living in the area. We have a core group of Dozen two dozen people that shop regularly and participate But if we were able to I know many of us would like to bring guests into the facility And have the bar available for you know packer games Sporting events what have you? um So it would just be a great option for us to utilize Okay onto decker. Um, have you applied for let go a wine liquor or a wine wine and beer license? Just the the lessons restrictive license or the um, we have not So I'm I'm exploring this option tonight. Okay. That may be a suggestion just for you to think about and Yeah, I mean, it certainly is an option. Uh, but if the full liquor license is available No, why not? Okay. Thank you. Sure Any further questions? Great I'm sorry, I don't that's fine. I can do it. Yeah, if you can say your full name and then Scott Wojcicki On behalf of in the bag. I own the property Um, the other people left. I want to remodel it Change it around put new bathrooms in Put a different kind of kitchen in and reclaim the license again We currently do run, uh doghouse. I think we do a very good job there and frank's place on south or north side Uh, want to clean it up over there and make a couple changes remodel it And then reopen it. Can you state your location again? What location can you state where what location you're looking for the license for? In the big end of bay in the bay in the bay 1501 union Okay, and I think we turn around the other two places very good that we do have I don't know if you're familiar with the doghouse or frank's place or both very well around and Good product and good service and good good people coming in and You know any questions from the committee, um, I guess like yeah, um What kind of timeframe are you looking at? Well, if the state plans to go through like we plan for the bathrooms, that's going to be the big thing You know, I'm hoping Within six months or less But it it's all going to be on the the bathroom You know because I don't like the bathrooms in there. I don't know if you've ever been in there or not This is dude. This is the old millers bar. Is that okay? Okay. That's okay. I mean on the corner, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean a woman's bathroom is Pretty tight Yeah, I think I've been there before you and then you got the men's bathroom We got the sink in a bar, which is third old-fashioned Okay, you know years ago that's already had it but You know today you don't have it like that I guess the one required problem that you would have is that it would have to be up within six months I'm getting a state approved by you know for the bathrooms because you got to have that Yes, um say you don't get the license. Does that mean you're not going to remodel or you're going to go on and remodel automatically? Well, I'm hoping to get the license back. It's been there for many many years and Like I said the other two operations. I think we do a very good job at You know and we're open seven days a week until Two two o'clock, you know at night so we're open seven days a week Okay, can I ask you a question? Yeah Um, how did you lose how did the license get lost to begin with? It basically the previous Owner of the license did not renew and so it expired. Okay, um, and they did not release the license to the new owner of the building So that she Yeah, she left them on a bar. She never turned them back in and technically she should have taken them here and brought them I'm here instead of leaving them Like they're to hit in there They were there But even that part she would have had if she had turned it in without releasing it to you We would have still been at the same. Yeah, and we had it in a lease agreement when when she was there, but Yeah, she just never took care of it. But they were licensed up until the end of the End of last year and a june. Oh, okay Is the bar currently open? No. No. Yeah, right. Was it open in june? No, so when when the when the previous owner Closed it it had been closed for some time So there may have been a six month issue at that time But knowing the time frame knowing that they were going to come in in july 1st rather than Yank the license that way Just had it come available on july 1st and and hold these hearing, you know hold these hearings afterwards Any other questions I think that's about it I guess My question is I I don't know that we got a clear answer You did say that you hope to have it open within six months You do understand that if you don't open within six months of being granted you'll lose the license again, right? You know it depends on the hopefully the state will give me The the print and they'll be okay for what we want to do Because I don't like the bathrooms at all I mean the other places are all nice and neat and clean. I don't know if you go to them or not, but They're very well-rounded places You can pray ask the police or a fire chief or police department. They'll tell you the same thing Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, so Then number seven All right Agenda item number seven is discussion and action regarding granting opportunities to apply for the available class B alcohol beverage license discussion Okay, well you wanted what was the motion again There's no motion. Just a discussion right now discussion and action. Okay Second Okay, well, I'm a okay, so just I get I'm gonna Make a motion to grant the Scott the license So technically it would be motion to grant him the opportunity to apply for the license apply for the license Right. That's the gentleman. That's for in the bay. We're in the bay I'll I'll second that And I I I'll preference every two days. I want to be in discussion on it. I just No offense to the sonic live, but I just think that it's such a limited use Um that we we we want to see a thriving business rather than I know it's frustrating for you, but it's just it's it's a reality of things Any other discussion great. Okay. Um all those in favor say I I Hi Any opposed Great chair votes I motion carries Congratulations So you'll be able to to go in and Make application technically after the common council meeting. Well, actually you could make the application now Um, and then you'll have 30 days to get that all done And so you'll be able to do that anytime in the next 30 days Great. Thank you to both of you. Thank you All right moving on to agenda item number eight RO number 26 23 by chief of police christopher demigowski pursuant to section 54 dash 65 of the municipal code Submitting the quarterly report showing the benchmark measurements of the police department for the period commencing april 1st 23 and ending june 30th of 23 chief Good afternoon. Um, so you have the report the highlights For it would be part one crime. There was a decrease in part one crime year to date in comparison to the same period in 2022 last year 403 this year versus 431 last year this includes a decrease in both crimes against persons 84 this year versus 98 last year In crimes against property 319 this year versus 333 Last year traffic accidents year to date Are up slightly 702 verse 680 last year They've been trending down over the last month And we're still under our target of 1500 so we're Still in a in a good place And then there was a decrease in involuntary commitments year to dates in comparison only 51 this year versus 70 I Say that with some pause We've been kept very very busy or continue to be kept very busy with that and so we're Have our fingers crossed that the co-responder program will start soon the county signed a Contract with elevate and they have positions posted so The sooner the better as far as that Then some of the other highlights during this period We had safety town Which we do with the service club and so we trained over 95 kids That around five years old Over a two-week period in traffic safety and Just general safety issues We finished up our citizens academy where we had over 25 citizens that spent 11 weeks with us learning about what we do We hosted two sessions of the junior police academy where we had 20 kids two times for a week at a time Really teaching them values based things and kind of given him some exposure to the police department In may and june we had a number of large item disposal With some of the neighborhood groups and dpw that we worked on on june 8th About 20 members of the police department participated in the torch run raising funds for special olympics Um, and then on june 15th We partnered with safe heart were in the mung community center to host a talk on domestic violence and sexual assault So we've been very busy for the period Any questions I don't have any questions, but I will applaud you on all the outreach you've done your team in this past quarter That's a lot. It's a significant amount But it you know creates a good sort of dialogue with the community and safety town is awesome My son's been through the program. We love it Any other questions? Good job. Good job. I guess I go Thank you Okay, so I am Looking for a motion to accept and file Motion to accept and file second Great. Any other discussion? All right. All those in favor say aye I Then I just want to mention two. We have two upcoming events One on saturday july 29th from 10 a.m. To 3 p.m We have a bicycle rodeo for the kids that teach them about bike safety and bicycle laws and Hand out helmets and stuff. That's at st. Peter claver church And then on august 19th. We have our community barbeque with bako and unity walk So that's from about 10 a.m. To 3 p.m. Is that one at fountain park? Yes, okay Great everyone mark your calendars um any opposed Great chair votes aye motion carries Okay, um moving on to agenda item number 10 general ordinance number 13 23 24 and or nope. I'm sorry. I skipped item number nine agenda item number nine Our own number 27 23 24 by fire chief pursuant of section 50-564 of the venice full code Submitting a quarterly report of benchmark measurements for the fire department for the period commencing an april first of 2023 and ending june 30th of 2023 I promise I didn't want to hear from you. Yeah Thanks chair. Can you see me? I'm right here The floor is yours chief So real quick just some highlights Everybody has a report but some highlights our call volume continues to rise We're we're a little behind of where we were last year, but that's normal We're we're on track for about 6,300 calls for then the year We have completed a numerous over half of our inspections Which is we're way ahead of schedule because unfortunately we've had some light-duty Individuals so they've been helping us do during their light duty workload going out and doing the inspections So that's had also a positive effect on our shipped training and you'll see our numbers are we've already surpassed the amount that we were shooting for because of the light duty not having to go do the inspections as a company They were able to do more training. We also implemented a new training software, which is Tracking those training events more accurately Something that we are continuing to work on is our fire response Trying to get that percentage to the 90 percentile. So we're up 10 percent from where we were last year and also our mutual aid we're Unfortunately, we didn't start tracking it very well until the third quarter last year Just because of the software we're using in the rms system. So now Back in that day, we had duplicate efforts and all that and it wasn't as accurate So now we are tracking it and you'll see the mutual aid numbers both for Mutual aid given which is us helping other communities and receiving which is them helping us. So We still are on our way into the fall. So we'll be hitting the school system public education classes and and training and education all that so they'll be coming Any questions? We'll be at the community event too Any any questions look at the fire truck Okay, wonderful. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you um if If i'm looking for a motion to accept and file So move second Great. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye all those Say nay All right. Well, can I well carry if she didn't say? Yeah, it's still free to zero great. Um Chair votes aye motion carries Did we lose bar? Okay, all right moving on to officially item number 10 general ordinance number 13 23 24 an ordinance Mending chapter 14 of the city of shabuigan municipal code so as to create article 14 Dash 9 relating to the mobile entertainment providers We check Adam So who takes who takes lead on this? I can answer any questions Did but did you want to make you probably should put it on the floor so you can make your motion to amend after that? Okay, great. I um Would like to amend you got to put you got to first have a motion And a second to approve and then once that happens then you can make the motion to amend. Okay Um, do we have any questions? I guess just kind of a little explanation. I guess of this move might be good for everybody that's listening Okay, good. Sure. So, uh, this ordinance is Was initially um The result of a conversation with the owners of the ax bar And they wanted to be able to park their ax throwing trailer On the street. Well, they they can't do that Currently because the use of any city property city right of way would be You know for commercial use would require Some kind of permission by the city Rather than come in and ask you for permission each and every time he wants to park the trailer somewhere The thought was uh, he wanted to have some kind of a license to do that So what we did is Using the food truck license Ordinance as a pattern We created what's called a mobile entertainment vehicle license Which allows a mobile entertainment provider To park in the right of way following similar rules to those in the in the food truck Ordinance It is designed to be you know, obviously it came specifically out of ax throwing But we didn't want to just have an ax throwing trailer license Otherwise every time somebody came up with a new idea we'd have to come up with a new license for it So the idea is any kind of a mobile entertainment Would you know would would fit under this and we've tried to define that In the ordinance, uh, you know, we we tried to come up with We had we tried to brainstorm what kind of ideas people might come up with that that would fit this And then drew up an ordinance that's hopefully broad enough so that most Things that people come up with will will fit under that ordinance. So we thought you know somebody Has a truck or a trailer that has You know a vr game inside of it People come in and play that that would work or You know sort of a You know dance dance revolution type thing or You know Those kinds of things video games, you know, yeah anything that that's sort of Like that and and is contained within Sort of a trailer or a truck There's a couple of differences between this and the food truck license The primary difference is the the food trucks actually Do require a a specific vehicle or a trailer that's In completely enclosed and attached this doesn't require it to be entirely enclosed But does then put some more restrictions on noise We didn't we weren't so worried about that with the food trucks But most there's also a little bit more Availability to use space just Immediately adjacent like so the food trucks aren't allowed to put little Signs out outside of their truck. They're not allowed to put little tables up Even though you probably see some of them do it on volrath night. Um, those are technically not allowed We we did figure that there's probably a need for somebody to take money outside. And so we allowed For that They're not allowed to serve or sell or distribute food or drink So this is not a food truck with something else. It is got it does have to be something Separate so That's what's that's what's there. I understand there's going to be a motion to reduce the fee That's certainly up to you the the fee was just based on the food truck license fee. That's all Any other question? Yeah, um, so what um, what liability does the city have? on something like this because we we we allow it if something gives someone gets hurt is totally on the The the uh, the licensee or is there some liability to the city? They do have to get license they as part of the license they have to get show that they've got insurance They've got to sign a hold harmless that kind of thing. Okay. We're not sort of Looking at what is the nature of the entertainment? Um, and one of the reasons for that is we don't want to get into the sort of the Business of deciding this is more dangerous. This is less dangerous where potentially we could be then held liable for making that decision Okay, uh, basically the idea is Here we're allowing people to make money using The city right of way and so in order to allow them to do that We're going to license them and require them to meet certain specific license requirements to do that So I think the likelihood of liability is fairly fairly low. Okay. Good. Good Oh, yep I'll take it. Thank you. Sure. Um, I guess one of the concerns I have What about the like the mobile dj? He's sitting down. He goes down to king park A family says well, we hired this dj to come in so He can park on the street and and Play his music Is and I don't see anywhere where there's a decibel level anywhere as far as how noisy they can be Within this ordinance. It's section 14.371 sub i fast for you No music or amplified sound that can be heard outside of the mobile entertainment vehicle is permitted Run that by me again No music or amplified sound that can be heard outside the mobile vehicle mobile entertainment vehicle is permitted. Okay So then that basically would disallow any type of a dj to do It would disallow any kind of dj whose music can be heard outside of the vehicle. So yes, so unless he's just playing for people inside the vehicle Okay, come on. Yeah Come on into my party bit Any other questions Okay, okay, I'll make a motion to approve second Okay, now before you do that now you make your motion if you okay I would like to make a motion to amend under section 14-37 item g It states that the cost is 500. I would like to reduce that to 250 372 three Section 372. Sorry 372 I'll second that I'll you made a motion. Yep. Okay motion on second Great any discussion check it All right, all those in favor say I I I Great Any opposed Great chair votes. I that motion carries. So now I need to have a motion on the As the ordinance has amended. Okay. Can I get a motion on the ordinance as amended? Have it we have the motion. It's now been amended. So now it's just a motion Oh, okay. All those in favor say I hi Great any opposed Great chair votes. I motion carries Great um agenda item number 11 ro number 28 23 24 by city clerk submitting various license applications So staff is recommending approval of the applications on this ro There's been a little bit of an update on these things. So as to blue harbor We're recommending That approval is contingent upon approval of the premises description by my office and by approval and Uncontingent upon approval of the use of the property if necessary By the common council it does involve some city property and that would have to be done separately the Approval for driftwood is simply contingent on meeting all the requirements of the rda That the rda granted in their approval for the use of the property So we're looking for a motion to approve these with those with the staff contingencies Motion to approve with staff contingencies second Great. So I have a motion and second any discussion Great. All those in favor say I Any opposed Great chair votes. I motion carries Okay agenda item number 12 ro number 29 23 24 A direct referral by city clerk submitting a license application for the change of premise And this one there's been a slight change as well. It's like the it's somewhat like the one for blue harbour staff is recommending Approval the application on this ro contingent upon approval of the premises description by the city attorney's office I will make a motion to approve With staff contingencies So we have a motion and second any discussion Great. All those in favor say I Any opposed Chair votes. I motion carries All right. Next meeting date will be august 16 2023 I'm looking for a motion to adjourn So move second great. Um All those in favor say I Any opposed great meeting adjourned. Thank you Thank you


A very common question that comes in my inbox is, why would a man choose one woman over another? And why would a man choose you over another woman? And we're gonna dive into this today because it seems to me that many women come to me saying they've been in a relationship with someone. It's just ended. And all of a sudden a man who was non-committal, all of a sudden is fully committed to another woman shortly after the relationship ends. So I think it's time to dive into this. And I think we have to differentiate the men who are emotionally healthy versus men who are emotionally unhealthy, okay? And when we talk about emotional health, we're talking about emotional maturity. We're talking about relationship skills. And some of the most important relationship skills are things like actions consistently matching words, not being in victim consciousness, not learning how to resolve conflict in a healthy way. In fact, when you think about why most relationship end, my most, why most romantic relationships end is because they don't know how to resolve conflict. And these conflicts arise for a variety of different reasons. But I wanna come back to this choosing pattern men and women have in the early stages of a relationship. Now, something I've observed over the last decade of doing this is that most humans are unaware of love attachment style, love attachment style. And if you're not familiar with it, I highly recommend checking out two books attached by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller and Wired for Love by Dr. Stan Takin. Both books, all the books I recommend will be in the link below under Jonathan recommends books. So why is this critically important to understand? Because how we choose partners are oftentimes based on a childhood imprinting on how we imprinted with one or both of our primary caregivers, whether it's our parents, whether it's a surrogate parent, whether it's a grandparent, it could be an aunt, whomever was involved in the early stages of caretaking for you. What happens is we imprint this love attachment style, how we attach to another human being. And so there's three primary love attachment styles. I'll just cursory go through this. There's anxious, avoidant and secure.  And again, I want you to go to the website.  You've heard about opposites attract. Well, this opposites attract, this notion of polarity is usually centered around love attachment style, meaning that if this avoidant, a person of avoidance tend to be a little bit more closed off, tend to be less emotionally expressive, avoidance of fear, closeless and intimacy with a partner. And they tend to choose partners who are the exact opposite, okay? So it's quite possible a man might choose you because he's an avoidant and you're an anxious and he might choose you for that reason. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be in a healthy relationship with this man.  I've gotta go find someone else who's an anxious and literally the next person he meets is most likely an anxious attacher and then he'll choose that woman. So I think it's critically important for those to understand love attachment styles. Let me know if you do understand it by posting a comment below. You can even hit like on this video to let me know that you understand or have been familiarized with love attachments style. And again, there's 100,000 resources here on YouTube you can click. And by the way, I'm gonna share with you in a moment some of the characteristics that men emotionally healthy men find attractive, okay? So we've been talking about emotionally unhealthy men. I think it's time to dig into one other aspect of emotional maturity or how we choose partners. And if you're not familiar with the work of Harvelle Hendricks and Helen Hunt, I highly recommend getting the book called Getting the Love You Want. And the subtitle is, well, actually there is no subtitle. I thought there was a guide for couples, right? Okay, this talks about something known as the Amago. I am a G O, I am a G O, Amago, okay? You can look this up on the internet. Amago basically, Amago means mirroring, but we tend to also choose partners that are either similar to or opposite of one of our prime, one or two of our primary caregivers. And to the extent that they're either similar to opposite, we might be choosing, like for example, a woman might choose an emotionally unavailable man because her father was emotionally unavailable. And on a subconscious level, she's choosing this type of man to gain father's love, to gain father's love, okay? Now we might also choose partners that are completely opposite. You might choose someone, let's say your parent was an alcoholic, they were abusive and that sort of thing. So you want a partner who's completely opposite from that, which is a healthy thing, okay? But again, it's usually this Amago is that we're trying to fulfill our childhood need to be loved by our primary caretakers. And we choose partners based on this very frequently. You know, many of you, I'm sure have experienced someone who's like your father. I know it's, you know, for men, it could be similar to their mother. In fact, sometimes they choose characteristics that are very much like their mother because they want that nurturing or maybe their mother was emotionally unavailable. And these men choose partners who are also emotionally unavailable. This is a very frequent and common occurrence. So how he chooses you is going to be based on whether or not he has an emotionally, he's emotionally healthy or he's emotionally unhealthy. And given that I believe a significant percentage of the population is emotionally unhealthy, and I'll just share with you, this is my chart. It's not a fact. It's merely an opinion. If you haven't seen this before, emotional maturity, relationship skills, I think roughly 20% of the population has clinical issues. And while I stayed over here, 20% are emotionally healthy and probably being kind of generous. Most everybody is in the dysfunctional category to some degree on their emotional maturity and relationship skills. And this is, this, let me just say this, most humans are unaware of the psychological components that play a part into how we choose a partner. See, we've all been indoctrinated in the belief that chemistry equals relationship success. Oh my God, we have so much chemistry. We have so much connection. Oh my God, we have such a connection. We are twin flames. Have you ever heard of twin flame relationships? You might want to Google that. There's a show on Amazon called the Twin Flame Universe or escaping the Twin Flame Universe. I'm not sure. I mean, I, maybe on a spiritual level, there is such a thing, but I think it's so overly hyped in our physical world that a lot of people think that the minute you have a connection with someone, it is so uniquely different than everything else in the world. And it's gonna magically work out for the future. See, the reality is, is love is something that's built over time. It's built over time and actually love is a choice. We can feel a connection with someone, but oftentimes it's these unconscious, subconscious experiences from our past that cause us to, that direct us in how we choose people. In addition, there's a lot of this is also how we reject really good people because in many cases, the number one emotional health wound facing most everybody is I'm not good enough, I'm not lovable and I'm not likable. And what happens is this fear causes many humans to reject really good people in their life because it doesn't fit the narrative of the, for lack of better word, negative experience that happened in one's life or disturbing experience that happened in one's life. I said the word disturbing, I wanna be clear about something. When I mentioned frequently about childhood wounds and adult traumas or childhood wounds and traumas, this doesn't necessarily mean you've had significant trauma like physical abuse, like sexual abuse, like verbal abuse, doesn't have to be to the extreme level. Certainly people that have had extreme experiences are most likely in desperate need of some level of therapy, of some level of medical attention, some level of maybe even medication because it was so traumatic. But the reality is is most humans have what's known as micro traumas in their lives, many little traumas. I'll give you an example of something. I was bullied in school, I was picked on.  And while this wasn't a significant, it was a micro experience, but it had such a lasting effect in my life. My mother accidentally was away from me for a short period of time and I panicked as a child. This was a one tiny incident, but it create an anxiety within me feeling that I was abandoned. They're even, I'm just experiencing my father growing up who would have occasional fits of anxiety when he was in a state of fear. You see what happens is we don't recognize that our parents don't even know, even they're good people that didn't do this physical, this terrible experience to you might have imprinted these tiny micro traumas in your life that make up your negative patterns and your limiting beliefs. If you really wanna do a deep dive into healing your childhood wounds and traumas, I highly recommend doing the work of the, here I'm gonna grab this book. It's called The Hoffman Process. And this is helping you identify those micro traumas and maybe some major traumas and help you heal in those capacities because the way we choose partners are usually predicated based on how we experienced love in our early upbringing, that imprinting. And there's, I've heard different schools of thought whether it's the first two years of life, the first seven years of life, the first 12 years of life.  Here's a picture of my two boys right behind me, another picture of them. You know, a trauma they experienced that wasn't anything overtly aggressive in any sense was going through a divorce. Imagine many of us who are tail end baby boomers or Gen Xers, there's a significant percentage of divorced people in the dating marketplace and our children's have experienced these traumas, maybe you experienced that growing up. I remember the one divorced family in the neighborhood I grew up with was like a big scarlet letter. And now if you went to the street, my kids grew up on, half of the people are divorced in that geographic area, if you will. But these all leave imprints of how we feel safe with another human being. So what do emotionally healthy men look for? Well, we're gonna dive into that. I've outlined seven things really quickly, so stick with me right now. But I would say emotionally healthy men are looking for women that are less effort. And what I mean to say, there aren't lifestyle challenges to blend these two lives together. There aren't lifestyle challenges to blend them together. Now emotionally unhealthy men will choose women like that because that allows them to keep an arms length from another person. But emotionally healthy men are looking for women whose lifestyles are blendable with them. The effort in creating the relationship isn't extreme. And I'd say that's one pretty common thing for those of us in midlife. And midlife is after baby making years and before retirement. So most of the people I speak to are the ages of 42 or 69. And look, I'm your big brother here.  It simply means is, today there are very little consequences for bad behavior in the dating marketplace.   Number two, emotionally healthy men are looking for women that are sexually compatible with them. Now in midlife, we know that there's a lot of men that struggle with their ability to sexually perform. And there are a lot of women that have their challenges when it comes to sexually performance. But I would say a healthy sex life is on the forefront of an emotionally healthy man and they're looking for a partner where there's compatibility in the area of physical intimacy. And both, by the way, women, you want this, men want this as well. Everything I'm sharing here right now goes for either gender in this particular case for those heterosexual couples. Number three, they're seeking emotional or more importantly, energetic connection. See, I talked about this earlier and we talked about the importance of attraction and emotional and energetic connection. But there is something unique about two people that just really click very early on. Maybe they are soulmates to some degree. Maybe they are twin flames. Maybe there is something cosmic, but there seems to be humans that vibrate at a certain level and when they meet someone else that vibrates at the same level or close, they seem closely drawn to each other. And I'm talking about the healthy people. Unhealthy people are drawn together because they're drawn to their traumas and they usually bond together because of those traumas. But emotionally healthy men and women are seeking that vibration that's commensurate with their vibration. They just seem to click. I would say in these particular places, these are people that are just chill. They have more agreeable personalities. They're not complicated. Oh my God, there's so much drama going on in the world today. Do we need more drama in our relationships? I think not, okay? Number four, they are of higher compatibility. I talked about lifestyle blendability, but more importantly, they share the same values. They have a vision of the future that's commensurate with one another. They are on the same page. They are on the same page, both in their emotional maturity, in their capacity to blend lives, their values, their shared vision, there is an alignment. You're not trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Now that's not to say that you're gonna have differences. Absolutely. But I would say today, one of the most critically important functions of compatibility is the capacity to go all in, to go all in. See today, people date with just putting their toe in the water and they can get the benefits of companionship, connection, and sex without much real effort.  Now again, some relationships might not work out for the long term. That's okay. They went all in giving it a shot and you might find that you're in two different places in your lives. Those relationships that tend to go the difference are people that are on the same trajectory. They have a shared, they share the same vision of how their life trajectory is. Number five, they're in a good place in their life. I didn't share this earlier in the video, but I will tell you after my divorce, I was a train wreck. I was an emotional basket case. For probably a decade, it wasn't until I started to do personal development, self-help, and spiritual work that I really learned the importance of individual work, but more importantly, when it comes to relationships is discernment. If you're not familiar with discernment, check out the link right here to schedule a discovery call with me to see if working with a coach is right for you. There's a link below. Discernment is how we choose people. And by the way, I've put together a program to help you discern who is the healthy person versus that person who is emotionally unhealthy, who's not in a good place. Ladies, you seem to be a magnet for choosing men that are not in a good place in your life. And if you need some help with that, check out the link below as well. I think one of the things factors that is so obscure in all this, but I think it's so prevalent is timing. Sometimes the timing of two people, it basically timing means two people ready, and then they meet when they're both ready. I think a relationship readiness, when two people are in a state of relationship readiness, it's the right timing seems to work in their favor. When one person is emotionally unready and the person, the other one is, then it's not the right time for them. And some people need a little bit more work than others. And lastly, why a man chooses you over another woman, she loves herself. She has self-respect, self-worth, self-confidence, self-esteem. All the things I talk about in my book, what the heck is self-love anyway? A journey of personal development, self-help and spiritual work, there's a link below to get my book. When a woman is in that state of self-love, when a man is in a state of self-respect, when you're both in a state of sovereignty for oneself, you're in a good emotional place and you have good relationship skills. Remember, one of the key component of relationship skills is the ability to resolve conflicts without having to be right and choose to be happy. These are people that tend to attract those more juicy, delicious, healthy, happy relationships. Is this sinking in, is this resonating with you? Please let me know if it is. Post a comment below, I'd like to hear your thoughts. As always, if you find value in this group, this for those that are following me on Midlife Love Mastery, there's a link below to join my private group where you can have direct access to me on a regular basis. For those in the group, please tell your friends about the group, send them to my website, jonathanasley.com. Have them click the group coaching button so they can join our fantastic group. Folks, I'm gonna wrap up this video as I always do.  I'm gonna reach into the camera and give you a hug of love if that's okay. I'm gonna ask you to turn to someone, a pet. Teddy bear a pillow and give Iter them a hug of love because hugs are a great source of love. And let's face it, we could all use more love in our lives. Thanks a bunch. Bye-bye now. Bye-bye. Bye.