Well good evening everyone. Just just a little introduction about what's going to happen tonight and that is that we'll have a slide presentation to start with and then you'll have a chance to wander through the building. We have lots of pictures set up of what this place used to look like when it was owned by Mr. and Mrs. May and they lived here so quite a transformation from what were bedrooms, living rooms, dining rooms into how it's used currently. My name is David Cooke-Cook. I was the director here, retired and then just recently they sent out the shepherd's hook and grappled me around the neck and got pulled back in as a temporary duty to help them through a time when they're in the search for a new director. So the slides that we put together tonight this is just the first of a four-part series of programs for the 40th anniversary. So we thought well since this is the first of four programs let's focus in on the first decade of Maywood which would have been the 1980s. So we're going to be looking at some slides from just the 1980s. Don't be disappointed if you're expecting to see something from 2002 or whatever. That'll be coming in a later program at some point down the line. But since it's on the 1980s we thought how much fun it would be to go back in time and do the program the way we would have done it in the 1980s. So not we don't have to worry about routers, internet, the right kinds of cords, none of that because we're using the old-fashioned carousel slide projector. How is that? That is so much fun to be able to go over and flip the switch and it's on. You know you don't have to worry about all the cabling and all that kind of stuff so this will be great. So it's getting darker which is a good thing because these are old slides and the older they get the kind of the duller they get so they don't illuminate as well as what they would have when they were taken. And so hopefully it's dark enough that you can see everything clearly with the old slide format. Just to take us back in time a little bit what I wanted to do is to show you a couple things back at that time in the 1980s when Maywood was just beginning there were a couple of different fundraising opportunities that they attempted and one of the earliest ones was a thing called burly bears. Since there was an abundance of burdock on the property why not use all those darn burrs to make little teddy bears out of these things and then put a bow around them and sell them. Great idea. When I first started this job back in the mid 80s the first thing I heard from volunteers is don't ever do burly bears again. You can imagine sitting there trying to put these bears together and everything getting stuck to you but we did have a picture of them doing this and they were wrapped in what looked like garbage bags so that they didn't have all these burly bears stuck to them. Today I was rummaging around up in the attic here at Maywood and I found this hat and I remember this this hat that they were selling as one of their first items in the store. So the hat says take a hike and then in a really really fine tiny print underneath there it says at Elwood H. May Environmental Park. So there was a little marketing thing that was not you know it didn't work out that well everybody everybody thought that you were just being rude you know take a hike. So this was their first one of their first attempts at a at a cap for Maywood but there were many other opportunities many other items that they sold in the store and it was just kind of a unique start to how this place got going. Well what we're going to do is we're going to show you these slides and then after that if there's questions we'll be happy to answer whatever questions you have and then from there we'll allow you to roam through the building. We'll have some volunteer station at some of those spots that can give you some interpretation of what is what you're looking at or you know what that room is all about. There's lots of old pictures that are sitting there too for you to look at and reminisce. You may see some familiar faces in the slides I hope you do. I know when I look at the slides it's there's just tons of fun memories so with that I think what we'll do is we'll see about the old slide rejectors see if we can get this thing started and see what happens you know when I and I should tell you too that the other day I thought well I'll test this thing out so I turned on the slide projector there was a huge puff of dust that came out the back end so don't know what to expect but we'll give it a try you should be someplace right in here so just want to give you a reference point so in 1974 Mr. and Mrs. May decided to donate their property and their house to the city of Sheboygan and for those of you who have spent some time in Sheboygan probably know that Mr. May had a company here in town called Mayline where they manufactured office equipment and furniture and after we get done with this program there's a really nice catalog that I have from his company way back when just in case you wanted to still order something but in 1974 they gave the property and they said well we're going to turn it over to the city we don't really have an exact use that we want to see you use it for but they said if you don't have a plan for it in 10 years from now it will revert back to the May family estate okay now keep in mind this was given to the city so so what year would this have become Maywood? bing bing bing bing no we got to give them credit it was actually 83 so they they they did meet the deadline but in 1983 it became Maywood and so the city had accepted the property they invited people from the general public to come in and express their opinions on what they wanted to see the property used for and there was thoughts of golf courses and race tracks and ball diamonds and all kinds of other things and fortunately it did become what it is today interestingly enough in 1970 four years before this property was given to the city of Sheboygan Mr. May had also donated some property in the Watoma area to be used for a Boy Scout camp called Camp Maywood Wilderness so the Maywood name was originated with that Boy Scout camp and then eventually made its way here to this property and there they are Mr. and Mrs. May very generous folks they really um although they they didn't have children of their own they did have a son who died very early in life but they didn't really have children that they brought up and I know that Mr. May had just really a strong feeling about doing something for kids and so he got involved with the Scouts and as I mentioned gave them property and so that was an important part of his life so that's Mayline so I was looking on this catalog and I happened to notice on the back side of it see if you can see that on the on the back side of this catalog there are actually three pictures on there all of which are Mayline so he had a giant building for his woodworking shop area a giant building for his metal shop area and then another big building for the offices so it's far more extensive than what I ever imagined but I I like this picture because you have Mr. and Mrs. May and they're each they each have their own car there if you look closely you can figure out what cars they have they're not Kias so they're both driving Cadillacs so the property has changed quite a bit and this was actually a picture of the south side of their house long after they were gone and it's not it's it's definitely starting to show signs of aging in in this photo but Mr. May and Mrs. May both were extremely meticulous people so there this is the front of their house everything was manicured you can tell these these shrubs okay those would never be here now there's nobody on our staff that's going to be out there trimming the shrubs to look like that um so it changed vastly since he owned it and in fact this whole south hillside going down this way which would be going right down there that whole south hillside was also just manicured took me a while after looking at these photos over years of time to realize that there was an entrance that I didn't know about that didn't exist when I started in my job here at Maywood in 1987 and there is I might as well use this laser pointer as long as I got it but we we we had a pointer that we were going to use tonight we couldn't find it today it was this long stick with a light at the top of it and a button down on below I thought oh how cool would that be to bring out the old 1980s pointer so this is the the old front door here that still exists this entrance right here doesn't does not exist but um did when they gave it to the city and this went into a space where I'm sure there was their laundry room kind of a mud room type thing and tonight after you're done with the program if you go down the hallway you'll see where the old men's and women's restrooms are mr. mrs. may didn't have men's and women's restrooms in their house but that's where the that's where the laundry room was and that that entrance mr. may raised black angus cattle as a hobby so he would get home from his work day and spend time with his cattle and he had workers that worked here to to deal with the cattle for the most part although I did hear that he really enjoyed driving the tractor he really liked that I can just a picture this but like the program green acres I can just picture him out there with a three-piece suit on you know driving around on this tractor but I also heard that he did not like to drive it down the hill so he would have somebody else drive it down the hill and once he got down below he would drive it the rest of the way so there are his cattle and you also see these white fences there were white fences like that all over the property and in fact we have all those fences were removed but some of the posts that held up those fences are still there intentionally left behind to use as photography spots reference points so we could go back to those spots over time and take pictures and compare what it looked like at the time that mr. may was here to what it looks like today uh no yeah yeah no that that's that's just a cut into the hillside but yeah there's not a golf course there quite yet now one of the things that mr. may also did is since he has these cattle and he wanted to be able to graze them um he did build a bridge to cross the pigeon river right here so these cattle could walk down this way and then cross over um however he must have got started to get pretty good at this because he ended up having to build this bridge three times and one of the issues was that the ice would come down the river in the spring time and then take those bridges out and so this picture shows possibly i'm not convinced a hundred percent but this picture does show a lot of flooding and it may be because of a bridge that got taken out and now is blocking the river and backing up all the water in this area yeah yeah yeah yeah we also had some incredible droughts if you think back to 1988 that was a terrible drought year um the other thing that doesn't exist any longer but is about where we're sitting right now is this space right here this is called the sunken garden and in between mr. may's house is was this structure this was called the summer house and there was a rock wall all along here that separated this the land next to his house from the sun sunken garden this building right here you might recognize that's actually the sugar house that's still standing today i'd really like to know who got this bell because that would have been a really cool thing to have had here and um years later in the very early 1980s there was a company called leisure concepts and designs uh there were consultants that were hired by the city in order to produce a master site plan for this location and in their master site plan this building was included in there and in fact it was proposed to attach their house to this building to enlarge the overall space and this this would have been a combination of exhibit space on this end and then workshop and craft area on this end as it was it was a summer house so they did actually do cooking in there um the walls were wallpaper there was a garage at this end with a workshop in there but the foundation was terrible and so we didn't discover that until long after that master plan was was finished and years later when i was here in and uh well that would have been about 1989 we decided the foundation was so bad that there's no way that we can make this space usable so it came down this was the south side of that summer house so one of the other things that Mr. May had was this really fantastic straight driveway all planted with these norway maples on either side and if this doesn't remind you of sound of music where all those kids are climbing in the trees singing away um that's what this seems like to me and when we have our summer camp programs the kids are out there oftentimes climbing in these trees the ones that are still remaining at least but this was a problem having that driveway like that and we'll talk a little bit about that coming up here were three gentlemen that were really integral in this place becoming what it is today we have on this far left that's Jerry Waymeyer Jerry was the park superintendent on the far right is bob kuhman and that's him calling right now so bob was the department of public works director and then the the man in the middle his name was Ed Waymeyer Ed was Jerry's father and Ed retired from the Garten toy company and after retiring Jerry hired him to be the caretaker of this property at the age of 72 Ed decided to continue working for quite some time he actually retired from here in 19 when he was 92 in the in the year 2000 and so put in a good long time and I've joked with my wife about this many times that Ed had set the precedence of working till like he was 92 I'm kind of on track for that right now but we'll we'll see what happens now if you notice you can kind of tell the era that we're in just by looking at right here and right here both Jerry and Bob were pipe smokers both of them were very very supportive of Maywood and without them this place would never have gotten off the ground but there were also a lot of volunteers really important people that helped us get this place up and running and the woman in the middle with the red clothes on her name was Mary Knauf and Mary was the first president of the park and forestry board a new board that was established and shortly after she got into that position this property came into being and Mary went after it like you would not believe to make sure that this property became what it is today she was able to recruit some other fine people and this gentleman here his name is Roy Siebold there's a park down there at the intersection of Indiana and what is it Taylor Drive that is now in his name Roy Siebold Park Nancy Schreiber one of our first presidents of our board here at Maywood her what is it relative here Barb Schreiber sister-in-law very good see i've got some supporters in the group that know the history as well so that's great thank you tippy and this gentleman right here so his name was David Applin and David was a UW-Stevens Point student working on his master's degree who was brought in for his master's program to act as a consultant for the property to help us get programs going and also to oversee some of the implementation of changes to the property so he was here for about three years and finished up his master's degree i'm sure that if he wanted to he could have stayed on as the director but uh david had other aspirations and went on to work for the national forest service national park service and traveled around extensively throughout the u.s so here's one of their meetings where they're trying to discuss exactly well what are we going to do with this property what kind of programs are we going to have and tonight when you wander through the building you'll be able to see this exact same spot on that that's still the exact same place that's where where the meeting was held not much has been different but we were thinking you know if we really wanted to make this authentic we would have gotten the armory chairs for you to sit on rather than the chairs that you have tonight we do have quite a collection of them down in the basement um and my only concern was i didn't want any lawsuits from chairs that you know fold up on you or nails sticking out from these armory chairs but we do have them here one of the first major projects was you remember seeing that scene of how flooded it was so they decided well we don't really have a use for that barn down below so let's move it up the hillside and tonight when you leave well i'll be a little bit dark but when you leave once you get to the end of the driveway and you look straight across the road to the right slightly that's where that barn is sitting that barn is now used by the city's parks department they store things in there they paint picnic tables in there so it's it's still in in use the house that's directly across from the end of the driveway that was the caretaker that we had living here ed waymeyer but when the property was donated by mr may in 1974 part of the deal was that his caretaker mr may's caretaker who lived there had to come with the deal so he was allowed to continue living there for as long as he wanted to and once once he was no longer around once he passed away and that was the end of that house being used by him and of course then ed waymeyer waymeyer was brought in to live there instead we brought in a lot of restitution crews wcc crews scout groups to begin taking out some of the things on the property that were not uh were kind of hazards like the barbed wire fences these white fences that were starting to collapse um my angie told me i shouldn't have this slide in here and building trails so all done by hand um i know there was a gentleman by the name of jim gilligan i don't know if that name ranks a bell for anybody who supervised a lot of the restitution crews that came out here to wheel limestone chips all over the place to put in trails and of course we had tons of volunteers back then the the this community was just rich with volunteers who were willing to come out here and put in some pretty hard labor doing things like planting um we planted lots of trees of course and prairie plants as well and you can kind of see the driveway that's nice straight driveway that runs along here going out to miller road all right right out there so with the volunteers putting in prairies here at maywood out in the front um we were lucky enough to secure a grant back about 1984 that grant was about 18 thousand dollars to purchase prairie seed and maybe that sounds like a lot of money to you but i can tell you this um the first prairie i ever put in was at a park down in washington county the size of that prairie was a half an acre and what i got for my thousand dollar purchase was a garbage bag full of seed not just seed though there was a lot of dried leaves stems and other kinds of useless material in that garbage bag but because the seeds are all hand picked it's very expensive to plant that prairie down there just like these guys are doing here you'd reach into that bucket grab a handful of seed and throw it up into the wind and there goes 50 dollars worth of seed right there and another 50 here and you'd do that until your bucket was empty then you'd grab a uh piece of chain link fence and a lawnmower and drive around over and over and over the top of it until it works the seed into the ground and then the hard part waiting for the next three years while you watch burdock and thistle emerge from the ground thinking that your time and investment of energy was a total waste but it really takes three years for those roots to get established before those plants will emerge so we continue with the planting planting quite a few acres out front this lady on the left helen sponagle is her name she was just a bundle of energy that drove that whole planting process helen would be out there all the time not only collecting seed planting seed going out there to pull thistles and other plants too that were invading the prairie she was just forced to be reckoned with and I don't know the lady to her right so the volunteers didn't know what they were getting into though because once the prairie started coming up the next thing that you had to do was manage it and to manage a prairie the best thing you can do is burn it and I can tell you right now that the acceleration of my hair color from brown to white was almost like overnight once we started the burning process because it was terrifying so we all we had was this trailer lots of buckets with water a bunch of rakes and shovels and and a bunch of very enthusiastic volunteers there was no training program you know but we burn the prairie and I can tell you it's magical you burn the prairie on one day and then one week from that day that spot is green two weeks from that spot and you can't tell that you burn the prairie and the prairie that summer will look better than it ever has before the flowers are are bigger brighter it's far more lush it's just spectacular what that fire does to the prairie lots of volunteers including scouts came out to help us plant trees planted trees all over the property and to my estimation based on the trees that that I've purchased throughout my time of being here and records that I found from from other sources I would say that we're probably close to that 50,000 mark of trees that have been planted on this property again just tons of volunteers that came out to help us with that this section right here this was a school group that came out to help us with tree planting probably mostly fourth graders that was typically the age that that was allowed to come out here maybe fifth grade the gentleman that is walking right here his name is Paul Meyer and Paul was the city forester who was supervising the planting process process now just a few years ago probably about maybe five years ago I had an eagle scout that was working on a project out here and we were kind of he was kind of in awe of how this place looked and I said yeah well we had a lot of help and I said in fact all those pine trees that are up front those all got planted by fourth graders the father of the eagle scout raised this hand and said I was one of them so there's Ed Waymeyer working with this young kid to plant some trees and again Ed at 72 working till 92 I think that's what allowed him to live so long as he had such an active lifestyle here at Maywood doing so many different tasks every day that it was really quite special to have him around he was also quite the humorist as well and I've got lots of stories about him some of which I can't really share with you because they're hilarious but also not in mixed company but great guy in 1986 we completed building of the footbridge that has become the icon for Maywood across the Pigeon River and that was quite an undertaking and when you compare that bridge to what Mr May had done over the years with the height of this bridge off the water it is substantially stronger than anything that he had done this was designed by a company that I don't know what even know what their names are now it's changed names so darn many times it was it was Earth Tech and Rust and Donahue and who knows how many other names it had to it but they were the ones that designed the bridge now I can tell you this if you think back for those of you that have been in Sheboygan for quite some time if you think back to 1998 and we lost a lot of homes in 1998 because there was so much rain and flooding and this bridge in 1998 this water level was up to right about here the two ends of the bridge that are lower those floorboards were underwater one day I went down there just to check on it to make sure it was still standing and clinging to one of these railings right in here was a muskrat trying to make that determination of whether it would be better to just let go and let the river take it where it wants to or if it just should wait it out so I went back a couple hours later and it was gone so I'm assuming it decided to go for a ride so that was a huge major construction in fact we had engineers just recently go down and assess the bridge other than one or two boards that that they recommended that we replace the bridges in great shape so we're still good for quite a while yet there were changes going on inside the building as well and so we had to convert what was the home of Mr. May into what would be an educational center and so beginning with their living room obviously that wasn't going to serve as much purpose so that space was converted into an office and you'll see that tonight you'll also once you're back there in that office you'll want to look very closely at the at the ceiling because there's evidence in there of how the that space was structured with a master bathroom that's no longer there and where and there's a picture that you'll you'll be able to kind of figure that out there's Mrs. May she's on the right and her sister-in-law Catherine Jones on the left sister or sister-in-law tippy oh she's out of the room must be sister so anyhow the two of them sitting at this fireplace and again as you walk through the building you'll see this fireplace one thing you'll want to look for is if you examine real closely in this stone you'll find fossils in that stone the stone was imported from Florida to build their fireplace and they have two fireplaces in their house there they are exam again if you get to that space and you look you'll see that this paneling it's still there this doorway is now gone it's now a hallway so there's no door but you can walk down that hallway kind of where they were sitting is where the reception desk went originally when we immediately started to use their home as an ecology center their living room well it's pretty much like it was back then except without the decorations but this fireplace is still there and as I mentioned we still have the armory chairs we just don't use them much with uh in the nicer spaces of maywood they are downstairs in the basement in 1988 we started doing some major changes to the the topography of the land that was here you can see here is that summer house but we wanted to put in some ponds and so the we knew where we wanted to go with them but we did find up on this hillside that there was a spring coming out of the ground so we dug a channel all the way down to those ponds so the water from that spring would then feed the two ponds one was a 15 foot deep pond one was about a five foot deep pond the spring water would flow into the deeper of the two when that was full the excess water would flow into the shallower of the two when that one was full the water would flow back through a wet small wetland area and back to the pigeon river so there's this the construction going on again this is 1988 the big let me back up the big question from the board was they said to me one day well are you planning to put fish in the pond and I said well we definitely want to use them for educational purposes we want things to be living in there but putting fish in the pond would be a waste of time and money because the fish are going to get in there all by themselves and if you ask a fourth grader how that happens you're going to get some really great answers because they're going to tell you about how fish can tunnel and fly and crawl and all kinds of other things but the real answer is that we have wading birds like great blue herons and others that wade in places like the pigeon river the sticky eggs from fish attach their legs they land in the ponds the eggs wash off they hatch and well you've got fish and so now today we've got a really nice batch of bass bluegills turtles frogs and lots of ducks and other wetland birds that make use of those ponds as well as tons of kids that use them and will use them all as well well finally in 1989 we decided that was enough with the summer house we had to do something with it because it really wasn't functional and we had thoughts of other plans for what could go in that space so we tore down the summer house you can see just there's the we still have the um the sunken garden here the summer house would have been off to this side over here you notice that there's a large tree right here and for those of you who have been on this property you know that out front of this building there is another very very large tree out there the one out here is called a katalpa come back in June when it's flowering it's just gorgeous and this one happens to be a white ash years later we were just debating on adding onto this building and we could have gone to the north or we could have gone to the west and both of them were under a great deal of discussion based simply on the fact that we would we would be losing one of those two trees nobody wanted to see either of those trees gone this ash at that time had a larger diameter than the katalpa and so there was some votes for not going this direction but boy did we make the right choice now that we have emerald ash bore everywhere this tree would never have survived anyhow so this building that we're sitting in right now is right here this is it right here we had to reshape that sunken garden and make a trail that went down to the to the bridge area so that it was wheelchair accessible and in order to get this the gradient that we needed we had to do a lot of switchbacks and building a lot more mileage of trails just to get us that far we also at that same time decided well as long as we have all these these bulldozers and trucks here we might as well change the driveway because at the front of the driveway there were these two pillars there was that straight shot and there were there were those norway maples and i could sit in my office and i could watch miller road i could watch the entrance from there and i could see cars they would come down the driveway oh maybe maybe like 25 yards or so and they'd stop and they'd you could see the wheels turning in their heads i don't know this looks like we're going to need to have a sticker or a permit or permission or something and they would turn around in the middle of the driveway and drive back out so we we knew that we were going to have to soften that driveway make it look more park like less estate like and so the idea was let's get rid of these pillars let's put a curve in that driveway make soften it up and then that would give us an opportunity to expand the prairie as well so this this went uh was gone in 1989 that was removed we put in the parking lot and then from the the parking lot we decided to build a a boardwalk walkway coming up to the south side of the building so we're getting the gravel in place to make that boardwalk on top of it we're putting in these handicapped wheelchair accessible trails and i wanted to get an aerial view of what the changes look like so i was able to come across a gentleman by the name of walley coeler and walley coeler had an airplane at the schwaig and county airport so i was able to ask him if he would mind taking me up in his airplane and flying over the top of maywood and i would get some photos so he agreed so i went out there on a winter day and uh we got the plane out of the hangar and we hop in and walley turns the key and it goes click click click click click click click click click he said just just hang on a second he took off running it runs out to the parking lot gets his car comes back he says well we've got to jump start this thing so we hook up the jumper cables and you hook it through his car turn the key and sure enough that propeller and it starts up so walley says just hop in here sit down here keep your feet on both these pedals just keep them keep the feet tight on these pedals i'll be right back i gotta put my car back in the parking lot so those were the brake pedals that allowed us to stay to keep that plane in that spot um however it is kind of funny because walley didn't realize that i had flown sesnas like he owned many many many many times prior to that and uh so if i want i really was thinking kind of it'd be kind of funny just to start taxing down the runway to see what he does but i thought no i better not give the guy a heart attack so you know walley takes off and we are up here and i just had the had the window open and he just kept us banked like this and we could go round and round and round and took lots of pictures this is way before they had drone technology but well now that we've got the landscape pretty well under control the next thing was getting a lot of programs established and again here's Dave Applin the consultant from UW Stevens Point working with kids trying to develop some programs for for kids to come out to maywood and and learn about the environment that we have here this is one of the first summer camps in that sunken garden area prior to tearing down the summer house which is behind them what's interesting about this this must have been their um Norwegian camp every kid with blonde hair what the heck is that um and then we had lots of school trips coming out here back then already it seemed like the school district was very very supportive of our doing programs here and lots of fourth grade and fifth grade were the most common grades to come out here but we had just tons of kids on a regular basis coming out to enjoy the facility eventually we started increasing our offerings to older kids and even younger kids and giving them chances to explore other parts of the park obviously as we started increasing in size it became evident that space was an issue we got the tables and chairs and desks but we got no place to put them so there we are outside with our desks and I I know that many of you um you know the size of your living room and it's probably close to the size of the living room in this place but if you can imagine say 60 kids every day coming into your living room for a program of one kind or another that's kind of what we were dealing with we were told and you'll see it when you get back there we were told by the fire department that the limit the occupancy limit of that living room was 50 we proved them wrong many times and our summer camps progressed again to include a wider range of kids and this gentleman here his name was dirk hudson and dirk was an entomologist and he brought in all these insect samples that he had collected and college textbooks which I thought these kids are gonna they're gonna be way in over their heads they're not gonna want to do any of this they were enthralled they were right within the whole time examining all these insects it was just awesome now of course with mr. may having a strong attachment to scouting we did continue to bring out scout troops and have events like this clondike derby we've had campouts a lot with scouts as well in this clondike derby you can see these scouts they're at one of their stations where it's a fire starting station so you can barely see there's a string that goes across between these two sticks and the idea is to start the fire and see how long it takes you to burn through that string and then this one I don't know if this is supposed to be a snipe hunt or if I think what he is doing is a compass course so he's looking at his compass but not being able to see the surrounding landscape in the 80s the director here at maywood had to go to the kelmarine youth camp I do have somebody in the audience I think that is very familiar with this youth camp right here yes kelmarine youth camp um dnr owned kelmarine youth camp and in the uh at the youth camp all of the fifth graders from schweigens public schools went to the kelmarine youth camp for a three-day two-night program and so the director here at maywood which would have been me was there for a total of three weeks and it was always in september but the kids loved it my wife loved having the house to herself for that time except that I forgot to turn the furnace on once for her when it was really getting cold but the kids loved the activities there for many of them for example fishing was the first time they've ever done something like that and I can talk with many kids who became later became adults who said the fifth grade camp program was the best thing that they experienced throughout their educational time in the schweigens public school district that's a statement and unfortunately you know with budgets that became a program that that they had to to discontinue we did have lots of big seasonal events there was prairie day and frontier day and earth day and um just all these different special events that we had with different activities this was one called indian summer the gentleman here is is a native american from the like the flambo area his name is nick hawkings um nick actually started a native american museum up in like the flambo but um anyhow that was a pretty cool day they taught us all these different indian dances as well and this gentleman was a falconer um so he brought in one of his birds to demonstrate this the uh the sport of falconry I wanted to put this picture up there because one it shows just the tremendous involvement that we had to have for any of our special events from volunteers and I just wanted you folks to just take a look at that and see how many volunteers you know of that might be in this photo um I I know a few this woman right here is Nancy Eckert uh just amazing woman with putting together our newsletter in the early days Joyce Hewitt very instrumental in a lot of our programs and and parade floats that we used to put together um Bonnie Tago was another one that was very instrumental in in our programming and the woman here her first name is Deb I can't remember her last name but she's the one that got us the mascot eco the raccoon so if you've ever seen that giant raccoon walking around that was Deb's responsibility we also had a lot of unusual programs um like this craft program where I brought in Dr. Richard Snyder who was a professor at the UW Stevens Point to do a program on porcupine quill embroidery so taking apart taking the quills out of this porcupine and then putting them in to dye coloring them and then um embroidering different things like birch bark um the challenge of course was getting a porcupine I don't know when the last porcupine was that you saw down here in Sheboygan County um I've never seen one down here so uh Schneider who was from Stevens Point fortunately he said well I'll just contact our highway department and maybe they can pick up a roadkill for us which is exactly what happened so he brought that porcupine with him down here um and this workshop took place you might recognize these cabinets once you walk around the building it was actually in our kitchen started canoe trips had we got we've got great six really nice canoes and a fantastic trailer that goes with it and unfortunately the only thing we don't have is an agreeable insurance company that allows us to continue continue doing canoe trips lama treks I mean we ran the gamut on doing different kinds of programs for sure however one of the old standbys that we're still doing today is maple sugaring so um we just I just tapped trees on Wednesday sap was running like crazy and uh we'll have flapjack again again a flapjack day again in in mid-march but a lot of kids came out for for learning about maple sugaring learning how to tap a tree learning how to collect sap learning what real syrup tastes like and checking out the evaporator um and watching that sap boil away and turn to steam one of the amazing things that we did with our maple sugaring program for fourth graders was we wanted the kids to be able to sample real syrup on actual pancakes but we didn't have a whole lot of time and we didn't have a great space for it either we had our old garage was the original garage of mr and mrs may very typical garage like anybody else would have three light bulbs in the ceiling no windows dark and dingy paneling on the walls oil stands on the floor that was where we made the pancakes and the kids did that they came in to the garage and they they got instructions on how to make pancakes mix up the batter cook the pancakes eat the pancakes wash their dishes and out the door in 20 minutes yep that's pretty impressive ran like clockwork so here they are cleaning up their dishes we didn't have a sink we didn't have hot and cold running water we just had one faucet kids would do their dishes so we didn't have a sink to dump the dirty dishwasher in water into so they would have to take it outside and dump it in in barrels which we would haul away at the end of the day and as i mentioned probably quite a few times already this place wouldn't ever have existed without the volunteers we've had a tremendous volunteer force over the years help us out and it's to them i'm into i mean eternally grateful for helping us with everything from working with kids to creating newsletters to bookkeeping to cleaning to you name it we we use volunteers for absolutely everything so with this picture just wanted to take one last look from right where we're standing if we were looking out these windows and it was daylight we would be looking at what we're seeing here except that this this summer house is now gone the sugar house is still there the fences are gone but the maple forest is still there and after tapping trees from from about 1984 to present that's a pretty spectacular thing to have that as our mainstay of events and programming based on the natural environment that's still here so with that we can turn the lights on i wanted to mention a couple last things before i turn your loose to go exploring but this is the master site plan created by this organization called leisure concepts and designs and in here there is a diagram of what they were envisioning for the use of the buildings so on this diagram this whole part of this diagram is the existing house and we've utilized it just as it is this part of the building was to take that summer house and attach it to the existing house but because the foundation was so awful we decided not to do that but nonetheless we stuck pretty much to the plan and it was about um maybe eight years ago on a saturday afternoon at four o'clock i've already locked up the door out here i'm ready to head home for the day and all of a sudden there's a knock at the door there's a gentleman standing out there and thinking okay well he needs to use the restroom all right fine whatever so i opened up the door and i said can i help you and he said yeah i was a an architect for a company called leisure concepts and designs and he said we just happened to be in the area we thought it would kind of be kind of fun to look and see what you did with this place and i said seriously i said i have that master plan sitting on my desk said you have to come in and we walked all through the building showed him all about what we had done over the years he was so impressed with the addition that that occurred here and we got way back to where my office was or is and uh he said no where is that master plan i don't think he believed that i had it i went over to my desk grabbed it between the the books that i had there pulled it out and said right here and i still refer to this thing from time to time it has been a great a great guide the other the other thing i wanted to mention is too is we had a couple that stopped in here kind of like the same situation towards the end of a day on a weekend and knock at the door open it up and here it was a i think a nephew of mr maize and um he said well when i was a kid we grew up in this house we wandered all over on the property could we look around so i'm taking them through and they're looking at and they're talking about all of the hide and seek games that they played here and they remembered the kitchen really well they remember this really well and i said you know the only concern i've ever had about all of this all of the changes that have taken place here is the fact that um mr may was such a meticulous man and i thought what is he going to think of what we did to this place because it's you know the whole hillside that was manicured that's all natural now we've got all this prairie that's growing out here we have all these trees growing out here and there are no shrubs cut like this and he said to me you know mr may would have absolutely loved this he would have loved this so that made me feel pretty good


Yeah. Hey, Deanna, how you doing today? Doing pretty good. Watch yourself. Doing pretty good. Hey, just, you know, how big was this win for the team? Y'all been scrapping all season and pulled this one out with the interception there. Yeah, this was a good one. A good start to get on the run.  But this week was definitely a good week. You know, put a good game together and trying to continue to stack it and put more together. And how do you all, you know, worry about the playoff situation with the Buffalo game coming up? Like I said, just taking the one game at a time and trying to go on this run. Right now the focus is Buffalo. Definitely trying to come out there with a win. And then we'll see about, you know, the game back at home. All right. Thank you. No problem. Michael. Hey, Deion. How are you doing? Good, man. I want to follow in the playoff thing for a minute. How much do y'all scoreboard watch it at this point? Like how much do you understand the scenarios that kind of need to happen beyond realistically you guys winning out to even have a shot? Yeah, I'll watch it a little bit, but not really. Really just watch the flow of the game and how we take care of the situation about how I watch the game. I don't really pay attention to the score. Okay. I just wasn't sure whether you were like, all of a sudden a big cowboy is fat in the next couple of weeks because it seems like they probably need to help you guys a bit. Nah. I'm riding with the birds right now. I'm riding with the birds right now, not a cowboy. How would you assess how you've played this year? I feel like I played pretty good. You know, constantly just learning this new spot and all the things that came with this position and I think I definitely put my best foot forward this season and definitely willing to take another step next season if this is the same role we'll be taking of being, you know, dealt. That's just the last thing I know. How has your role changed? Because I don't know if we've really talked all that much about what that difference has really been. Like I said, I used to be in the middle of the defense and I'm on like the side of the edges of the defense and I guess just new angles, new types of responsibility, blitzing a little more, covering a different type of space and tight ends and running backs. But other than that, it's just basically me paring on the edge of the defense, not in the middle. That's the big difference. Appreciate it. Thanks, Sam. Josh. What did you think of Foyer's game yesterday and what do you think about his progression this season? Foyer's been lighting it up. Foyer's been having a great season. Like I said, it's a product of his hard work and how he's attacked after the week and is paying off well. He closed out another game, the last game, especially when we needed it right in the red zone. That's closed the mentality. And like I said, he's doing his thing and he took the middle linebacker role and ran away with it. And that's just the type of guy he is and I'm happy for him. Beyond the hard work and sort of the mental side of the game, what are the physical traits that allow him to excel there? He's definitely sideline to sideline. He definitely fit the gaps, good in coverage, discipline. I mean, that's Foyer. Thanks, Ian. Tori. Hey, Diba, I want to go back to last night and something that Arthur Smith said I thought was really telling of this defense, but he was talking about how y'all had been out there for, gosh, 38 minutes by the end of the game and he said they could have come out there in that final drive and really played on your heels that you didn't and you came out there with essentially the energy you needed to win the game. I was just kind of curious, kind of from your perspective, what does that say about this defensive unit?  This time we didn't bat our eye. We just ran out there and knew we had a job to take care of and got to taking care of. And that's just like the mindset that's evolved like throughout the whole season and they paid off at a great time and we want to continue to keep this going. Right, yeah, sorry. But I guess that honestly kind of like goes off of what a theme of like last night was where guys were talking about closing out games and how that's a part of this culture and y'all are seven and two and one possession games. I mean, what does that kind of mean to the culture of this organization at this point in time? Like I said, we can be that type of team, closing out games on offense, finishing with the ball or defense if we have to stop like, you know, whatever we have to do, like we can be that team and it's right there. We put it on take plenty of times and we just got to continue to hope like, continue to make that part of our culture and not eat those. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have any follow-ups? Yeah, Dion. What has been, what have been some of the keys, you know, when y'all play teams that, you know, playoff teams, winning records, y'all play them close, but then the game gets away at some point. What's going to be the key against this Buffalo team that's pretty tough coming off a big win against the Patriots? It's definitely going to be us, you know, being locked in, being focused, you know, coming out, flying around, setting the tone out there in the cold and like I said, just not batting an eye, going out there and, you know, taking care of what we got to take care of at the weather forecast. Nah. Okay. All right. Thanks, Dion. No problem. Michael, do you have anything else? Yeah, I want to follow up on something you just said about Ethos. Arthur was talking about that a lot yesterday. Is that, is that kind of a new thing in this locker room this year? Just kind of some of like that terminology, that phrasing where, you know, it's beyond culture. It's kind of like what we've been calling it in here. Yeah, so yeah. When did that start? Has that been like from the jumper to that like pop in like mid-season? I mean, we always talked about our own culture, our own swagger. I mean, there's a lot of ways you could put it, but we've just been saying Ethos. Okay. We always talked about it. Like I said, it just happened to be Ethos.  I don't know if there was like a giant board with words that you guys should use. Appreciate it. Thanks again. No problem. Josh, do you have anything else? I'm good. Thank you guys. No problem. Appreciate it. Tori, anything from you? I'm also good. You'll have a good day. All right. Thank you everybody. I'll tell you guys.


Okay, my name is Frederick and I'm an artist working on the interstice of art science technology now Since so many years, I'm really focusing on developing the blackest black material in the world And I'm trying to create a void space something that you totally disappear in so But when you think about it the question is also is black a color and we know That it's quite confusing. So on the level of pigments You could say that it is a color because you can mix the pigments and of course you get black So is it a color when generated as light? Of course not because it doesn't emit photons So one of my favorite artists is if Klein 1950s 1960s and he also played with the idea of a void And in addition he collaborated with scientists to develop a synthetic resin, which is called rodo pass It's a polyvinyl acetate to preserve the luminosity of the pigment So I really thought to myself how can I go beyond pigments? How can I introduce the next level and Then I kind of focused on nanotechnology and nanoparticles And if you look at the Lysergos cup in the middle, it's a Roman cup and you eliminate it from the back It goes from green to red That's totally Harry Potter and it's due to a surface quantum mechanical effect Called plasmonic resonance where electrons and photons start to interact So nano actually means dwarf it's Latin for dwarf and is the science of being very very small So if you take an average human hair and you make it 40,000 times smaller, that's round about nano scale It's one billionth of a meter. So it's very small So in 2010 I went to Rice University in Texas, Houston, and it's the Heimat of nanotechnology So that's where it all started and in the 70s astrophysicist Harald Croto, he was looking into the interstellar medium trying to find carbon molecular change and he found him He went to Rice University in the 80s collaborated with chemist Richard Smalley and together They made the first synthetic molecule buckyball or buckminster fallorini and Professor Ligima he found a way to extrude them into a tube a carbon and a tube and you see just there It's a hollow tube and it has the diameter is just incredibly small So then I started to think if this is all possible Can I make an artwork of it? So what would it be and then I thought okay, let's take this painting of Kazimierz Malowicz It's an icon of non-objective painting and supermatism. It's made in the 1915s So let's make a super black square So how do we produce this super black material? So we started in the lab by cutting a silicon wafer Putting it into an iron sputtering machine where actually you evaporate Atomic-sized particles on top of your substrate, which is on top Then it goes into a chemical vapor deposition room where you have a flow of gas It's it's lean which has a carbon-carbon double bonding and it starts to react with the catalyst seeds Which are on the substrate and suddenly you see this forest of black Material growing and it's quite quite fascinating in fact so in the middle you see a scanning electron microscope of this super black material and So there's just one thing I have to explain here It's called the cavity principle and that's how we capture all light So I told you about this carbon nanotubes. It has a very thin diameter So now let's think about Ping-pong ball and this ping-pong ball is a photon, right?  It can only go in between the vertical aligned carbon nanotubes Just in between where it will you know travel under the surface and probably never surface again But there is another thing which are the nanowires on top of the carbon nanotubes and it's almost like hair Which I don't have and it diffuses the light in all directions so from every angle you look at the black material it stays as black and Also the irregularity of the surface because if it would be in flat It would have been a mirror and I didn't want to have a mirror of course So finally I made a couple of artworks and I call them nano paintings So currently I'm collaborating with John from NASA and his team to develop The black is black but a more improved version So basically we are trying to create more adhesiveness of the carbon nanotubes on the substrate We are also trying to upscale it because it's 20 billion of carbon nanotubes per square centimeter And the third thing is we want to make three-dimensional objects so actually carbon nanotube growth on top of three-dimensional objects and why is this interesting because imagine now you have a three-dimensional sculpture, which is totally black and You see it it will just appear as a cutout as a two-dimensional thing So you're making from something from three-dimensional to dimensional which means you have to touch it to understand the complexity of its geometry and that is interesting because then the artwork really grows into the imagination of The person who is looking at it and touching it Another thing I'm interested in is the photonic qualities of the super black material So how can an artwork become also a harvester for energy and can it be used in public space? So this is a render of Three-dimensional sculpture it's currently being built in titanium by the use of digital manufacturing and This model is now being used to grow carbon nanotubes on so it's going to be super black It's a model of the coal mines under Belgium So the relation with carbon and carbon it's clear so I Hope that I made science a little bit more human and that I made art a little less ridiculous So thank you very much, but before you maybe are not applause I have also a little black hole in my pocket and this little black hole. I'm going to show you right now It's a sample of just going to put this down Of the blackest material in the world currently and here it is I mean I'm wearing black, but I hope you see the difference so


I will give you this one. Okay, so, Luigi here, which is something that actually does all the internet work, while people think I do it, but it's actually in the games, he'll talk about translations and digital translation and stuff. So, hello everyone. So, many of you already know me, but just to say a few things, in my work time, I work as a point engineer in Red Hat in the OpenSTAR team, so something completely different, still open source team, so it's fine and nice, it means good to have a context switch. But on the other side, in my free time, even before joining Red Hat, I was a member of part of the PD community, so PD contributor starting with the internet translation team. Since 2005, doing random contribution to various projects over the world was one of the first big ones, and now I'm mostly helping out, I'm still continuing to do Italian translations and doing the proxy for few translators, but mostly helping out with internationalization and documentation infrastructure and code fees related to that, and maintaining part of the documentation chain, so especially in case of tools and the other side there, and unfortunately sometimes, so it's something I would like to do, but I have no time yet, it's doing some probably quality insurance, but that's another totally different story. Going to the topic. So, we're going to speak to you how the translation and the documentation are structured, some general idea of how it's working and with links if you want to go to check later how it's working to more detailed information, and very important what I want to show are some challenges that we're facing right now, or at least what I see from my point of view and things that can be improved. Just to start, the detailed explanation about the technical details based on your internationalization chain are explained in a nice page on tech-based, but few things I'd like to highlight is that we have five-ish internationalization branches, you can find the name, those are the names of the directories on the subversion because translations are still there for some good reasons, especially related to the work that we need to do. So, when you do maintenance work and you need to touch all the translations for all languages, you don't want to have translations in two different repositories. No, see what you've got. And it does not impact developers, so it should be still fine. As you can see from the names, the first one usually is the one that starts the most updated development thing. The stable branch starts in related to stable branch for framework five things and so on. And essentially it's the last branch, which is the special branch created especially for the LTS, Plasma, probably we're going to have one. It will be probably replaced with the new Plasma LTS. Even if there is going to be a bit of overlap, we should be able to just remove the old translations and just do bug fixes from them. This is to give you a bit more details on what truck which give branch. And as you can see, the meaning of truck and stable depends really on the context of what we are talking. So, for example, in the case of frameworks, every representative which is part of framework, the master branch of all the groups which are part of frameworks are provided by trunk, L10, and KF5. And the other branches, the other 18-end branches are not defined frameworks because a framework is branchless. KD applications is a more complicated one, so usually trunk and stable truck master and right now, applications 17-0, 0, 8. Depending on if the application is still based on KDs or based on frameworks, then we could have those two or the frameworks one. In case of Plasma, master its truck by trunk, stable trucks, Plasma 5.10 right now and KDs is Plasma 5.8. And I just took an example of another project like K4Valbum which has the master branch started by trunk, L10, KF5, and there is still an old stable branch on 4.7. There are a few applications which are these stages. We are trying to phase out the old KDs for branches, so for all these reasons. Where are the... All this information, where are they defined? So the source of truth should be the repo with the backup repository, but we have those information complicated also in translation branches. This is for historical reasons. It seemed at some point, and it still happens that sometimes people forget to update the translation branches so some strange things can happen. So we kept a separate definition and we manually update. Of course this is not efficient at all and we want to remove it and have just one source of truth but it's not like something if you just snap your fingers and you do it so we need to consider the cases and check if things are not going to break if something wrong happens. The interesting thing is about the... Okay you can just follow the repository there is a new project done by Adam to get the information from the API. The information there I used to generate the project with XML if you heard about that it's still used in the infrastructure I found by a few streets but the idea is to pour it away from that. And the most important thing the information is the data starting in files called I18 and the JSON for each project in some cases there are some defaults and you can see an example of the definition it's just a JSON file The only exception is that the Plasma and yes it is not targeted there is kind of special special exception so you won't find that in there but it exists in reports or so the Plasma needs to to confirm that and the data from yesterday just to give you some numbers you can go and see the updated one the framework's managed trust like more than 160,000 UI screens which are usually smaller ones but sometimes you have a long description complex ads and more 15 languages are over 90% and that's important even if we have a lot of legacy and some things are not so active anymore but we still the fact that those branches are so there are many languages a high percentage it means that there is some work there and more important we have more than 16,000 documentation screens and those are really, really huge it can be like a paragraph for the session it's quite huge and still we have 9 languages which are more than 75% and with your comparison on the old stable K-Pips for branch we are still quite few screens almost 15,000 UI screens of course there is a lot of obligation but you can see the percentage they are still higher because there are many things which are not if they are still in that branch it means that they didn't move too much so but it's a huge amount of screens and the interesting things is that everything is based on get-tests even the world is not natively based on get-tests get-tests is basically the mostly user format in the GNU world and GNU links world there are a few projects we are not using but mostly everything where you see F5.io it's a good text file it's a simple text format with few you can have few headers to metadata touch it to each screen not going through the details but for example we are able to handle also QT the negative format QT with yes files with some magic we can handle the translation of desktop files desktop live files JSON files for plugins, upstream files and the documentation for coming from .boot later one thing I would like to mention is that a few things are using a tool called PO summits and it's really interesting as I mentioned previously we have some duplications so you can expect for example for Plasma there are many many screens in common between master and Plasma 5.10 there are things changed but I don't have precise number I would guess like more than 70% messages are the same and this interesting tool a lot basically takes all the same message catalog the same PO file for all branches it creates a consolidated file with all the strings for all branches from all branches which is nice and basically my personal experience is that they couldn't manage the entire thing without that in no way you don't use translations basically the only thing is that it's not fully integrated without infrastructure the basic operation that you need to do there are three operations and this is done basically by Chaswell every day after the screen finishes it's run when the screens are clean you need to take the new translation templates the basic that again you have to take the templates and rebuild them the merge operation and this is something this should be done by each translation team so take the new templates and merge them with merge the existing translation with the new templates and finally there is a scatter so take the updated translation in the savvy branch and push them to the corresponding branches and this is also something that each translation team should do so it's not a totally ideal even if it keeps you out of from my point of view the time you spend not checking each branch it's still the more than the time you spend doing the merging it's capital so in the code the market as such and this works both for the get-txt translations and the one based on Qt system in the documentation of the KITNN framework which provides the get-txt support there is a nice programmer guide which is it has content which is specific for that framework but there are also few interesting suggestions on how to code in a way that you don't complicate the life of translators and in the end you have a better user interface so even if it's hidden there it's more genetic and interesting you may see in the code some files called messages.sh those are files can't be run standalone you can just do like messages.sh but they are used to there are many ways to show streets and they are used to define which files which get text and plates so take all the files in this directory and track that in this get-txt template there is some mention in place for desktop upstream jzone files they are under the live directory by the translation streets you may see some other external messages or external messages they are used to manage the desktop live files and translation of my files I already think I already mentioned at least once scripting is the collection of script I don't know the origin of the name but basically it's a collection of script and which does the magic every night during the European night it runs on all branches and for each branch get all the string from all repositories updates the get-txt and plates merge the existing translation with the new term plates and also it has the logic to do something with desktop jzone upstream files and then does the injection of the changes from desktop jzone upstream files into the various repositories back so this is up and down every night recently there is a machine which is more powerful at some point it was taking like 9-10 hours I think now it's like 6 no it's even less 5-6 hours it's really the biggest issue is scripting and this bit is like that it's IO bounded having an IO bounded so if we probably the new system is really more it's faster from that point of view the translation for the week is a different story especially for user-based because some things move on the page and sometimes the documentation there the week is translated directly online there is an extension for media wiki which allows you to translate to mark some parts of the translation and translate them they are directly there you can support and import the translation as the text but not as a template and it's kind of so for my personal point of view in the past there was a connection in wiki translators and the rest of the translation scheme so in some cases they didn't talk to each other I found translation on italian pages and never seen the communication from the person on the italian translation in DC and just to coordinate what are the challenges you may have already understand that there are some issues and things that can be improved scripting itself it's we will need more flexibility so whenever you need to have the support for the automatic extraction of a new format which is not one of the existing one and even when the support for JSON for example had to be added or upstream which are the last things that were added it requires some hollow changes and that's not of course good in long term even in the short term the wiki translations it will be good many teams already expressing the need to have them in the workflow and technically it's not so difficult we would just need the extension many wiki extensions including the export to get text and plates of course that means that if implemented the custom format to the scripting goes back to the previous point and that can be complicated but in general the extraction process is a bit complicated because you saw that we have this in hybrid model you have to do explicit definition for the messages in the code through the messages of the sage you have to say I want to translate this here and there is some DC implicit rules for some other files so it's kind of wild and this is not nice format again from maintenance point to view so the idea would be for example, possible idea would be to move to a new program which probably will backends to extract merge back the translation for various icons file so instead of having the messages the case change file that is magic basically it takes a configuration file and do the magic for all the types they find there basically it's moving to a declarative definition of what is translatable and what not and that will have also release scripts because now there is a lot of guessing that the release script needs to do colors to include in a parable but that will simplify things a lot and that brings to a scaling point, so rewrite scripting which is something you don't want to do in just one shot it's really an issue though so the problem that I explained in the review slide would be the first step it can be done independently and then plan it into and clean up some part of scripting because right now the things I didn't say is that script is a collection and I'm not hitting a lot of batch, Python, Word and C++ programs all together that's why adding things there is not the easiest thing you can do and I don't maybe I have to reach out but I'm not sure I want to know a possible idea would be to like pattern things around build port which is an engine kind of jengling things but we written in Python to write like automation steps just like that of course a lot of effort is required and you don't want to do like and another thing which is a bit painful a bit less than the others because there are less involved but still when the team translate the documentation so script does the magic and does the from dot book to PO files but then the part where you take the PO files the translations you get and regenerate the dot book it's something that each teams need to do it's a generation of the documentation is still possible but there are few cases so I didn't investigate too much even when I do regenerate there are some templates which are not totally updated there could be some English translation that's leaving so something that needs to be redone that's a good side task it's not part of the other bigger changes and sometimes this is connected to susan translations are lost in branches because sometimes translating trust is just unstable and they don't report or apply the translation with other branches most of the teams are ruined in this but sometimes we can miss something and something could be the solution I would prefer at some point that everyone would be moving into something but we need to all the other steps that we've seen before and our translation website is made up it doesn't research any indexing system and that's why the translation takes place on Tuesday morning or Wednesday morning arrives later there is no reservation system that's the reason why you have at some point 5 or 6 different reservation systems which translation teams to define which translator is working on the screen I tried to solve this with a summer call at some point I think my proposal at this point would be just to switch to dominant lines which is the normal translation website it is written in general by the law and it should be easier to adapt to our easier than rewriting everything from scratch I even tried to install it and it should be quite possible but again and online translation the problem at any point wasn't many times there isn't no people really against this but it's not a solution for social issues like that the maintainers is not letting me go in with my proposal translations but it's still it needs to implement a few points that this is a meaning from 2 years ago that in the last week flying about this the tool shouldn't go in the way of when people do migration or changes in the directing the repository for translation and again there was some volunteers that was trying to do a proof of concept but I didn't hear back from that and documentation is a topic which is linked to that because we have translation documentation but the documentation is that when I started contributing to KDE the team was really big and producing a lot of things and there were two academy awards in different times so really long history nowadays not so many contributors unfortunately it's good still in few projects I think let's not go and mention them but few projects the developers still maintain the documentation but updates are still coming if you check for the plasma frameworks and application at least if you see the updates date in the documentation they are not so bad so even with the lack of manpower the few people that are doing a new job bust it the documentation is mostly written in which is an experimental format I expected you should know but just in case script does the magic extracting the the text and plates using some other two ports and the translator as I explained before regenerated documentation for each track and match the website it's highly content because I'm not a web developer but the website is statically generated pre-ordering in the engine which regenerates it and the search engine were written last year I wrote them and they are working so I just need someone to clean up the website the challenges on this side a lot of people do use non-doctrine even if I'm not sure it will increase the number of documentation too much, but still even in many other open source projects people are moving away from Dockbook so a lot of possible an alternative should be my proposal is ASCII Dock because it's closer to Dockbook it should be easier to just have a few steps to go back to Dockbook and reuse the editing to change because you don't want to change or to change in just one shot and but even in this case it should be implemented ASCII Dock is another text-based format like Markdown or RSE and other like this we have another challenge which is coming the regression to the new license which is totally fine the new license is fine there was a discussion about changing to creative form for the new FDL license it's totally fine but I fear that if we switch to new documents we need to do a lot of work to re-license the documentation if we want to still use it and not use it on time so it's time to do it and it will be long and painful but not much to do and the website as I mentioned before the backend was rewritten we need to do the front-end and everything something like that where you can set the language and the different versions on the fly it needs to change the implementation but that's things I'd like to have and even if the backend is allowed to keep to keep all the branches like old version of plasma old version of application that piece of code is missing so there was one reason for writing the script but and I think more or less we're fine and we have some time for some questions those are the coordinates in case you want to contact the team both translation team and documentation team both on the main piece and if you have any questions and here for translation on Monday in case you're interested and if you have questions so thanks a lot