That's some a lot of times a me thing I Should address this I was out of town all week last week.  You can't just like walk away after that.  That's what people actually want So I've been trying to kind of support that and I started making up new stories like I was flying a kite And a windstorm came or like I would be like I went to the doctor to get it kind of checked out They gave me like all the antibiotics and they're like, how did you hurt your hand? And I say well, I'm a struggling Heavy faith related person and I've been masturbating too much And I know the Bible says like if your eye causes you to lust in fact You're supposed to gouge it out and you can't imagine what my hands been up to so I stepped to stop it And she still gave me the antibiotics, but she seemed judgy about it I'm not against religious people or whatever I think it keeps them out of the dating pool very effectively in this way But that's how I hurt my hands I mostly was just in a group of people. There was a big storm. I felt like You know, nobody was paying attention to me and so I Jammed a knife in my hand. I was like, oh my god. I've heard I've heard and then like some people are like Oh, no, is he actually are you okay as all their belongings went away into the desert and like that made me feel better So that's how I hurt my hands. Apparently there's some nerve injury. I'm not really sure what that means Mostly I'm worried that I will no longer be a lower mid-level guitar player anymore, you know, but I'll lose my skill sets So this is a new show we're doing it's called Boulder County tonight. If you saw our credits, of course, you'd know that If you're just tuning in because you're like watching this live or something We did credits at the beginning of the show, but don't don't go back now Now we're doing the show to stick here. You're fine. There wasn't any real important information the best this show is gonna kind of focus on our local community and Injuries that we get apparently and I promise I'll shave before the next episode But I was too fucking, you know recovering from problems of the my chemical life Tonight our guest is mr. Greg Benton. He's from the band native station if you haven't heard them And The way your therapist might put it is like you are refusing to live your best life You know If you have a therapist, you should definitely have a therapist. I have a therapist. Um, I feel like I I feel like I may be Bore my therapist. I'm gonna have to tell them a great story about this but I Feel like my there's not like a whole lot of interesting shit that goes on dramatically in my world So I don't really have a lot to talk about and I just feel self-conscious about it sometimes and I'm a therapy I should not be talking about this But the other day I was like in therapy with my therapist and I was like, I had this dream Dada dad. What do you think that is? And they're like, yeah, the dream. That's really good. It's a good dream And like decided to tell him something more serious I was like and my just reminded me of how like my dad used to hit me so much growing up My dad didn't hit me at all, but like I wanted the attention from the therapist I felt like they were drifting and so now I have to keep up. That's horrible live on my dad without the therapist Really zeroing too much about it because that's not really true of my life. I just wanted the attention I could go on I could go on but let's not let's not Plus one of my therapists watches this then I'm in real trouble um Tonight here on the show. We got our friend Greg been tomorrow. We'll have somebody from the Boulder weekly the next night We'll have somebody in public service um Allegedly because god damn it if I were coming on this show, I would Reasonably cancel it or whatever after it's all the first one So like we think we know who's gonna be on the fucking show and if not golly We'll get us a chicken or something like that to talk to um So if you don't mind if you're at home now, um, please do put your hands together for our very good friend Mr. Greg Benton from native station Greg please join me in the chairs Let's see if this camera shots lined up for you very well Oh, I think it is. Oh man.  All right, Greg All right, you and I used to do A show together podcast Yeah called the late weekend And that we that we used to do that on one days Yeah, yeah And I would come over to your house and we would kind of just like get drunk and stoned and like bullshit for Sometimes a long time That's basically the workflow Um We can probably even scoot in the goddamn. I'm not getting my camera. That's okay. Um So like this is my next show that I was doing on Mondays and so I wanted you to be my first guest um And also because like we've talked a lot in the past about the world at large and I wanted to talk to you specifically about something that we've talked about many times and that's Does the government know that there are UFOs and why won't they tell us?  I was so when when it was happening I thought I did think about all those podcasts that we did do Um, and I was I was a little shocked at how Under the radar it all went but there was a lot of crazy stuff going on around that time And so I think this sort of has you know the timing for that lines up Because usually when they want to get something under the radar they'll wait until everything's going haywire until you know You got capital buildings being stormed and people marching in the streets and they're like, oh by the way they're aliens And they just kind of look away and just scratch their head and hope no one ever really heard me say it Uh, but so that's sort of what it felt like. Yes, and And it but it was like a massive dump of information that I could not get all the way through I looked at some of it and it's I mean, they've known for quite a while apparently Yes, they've known for quite a while and like for some reason they've just like Pulled their pants down about it, right and they've like kept it under lock and key for so long I I wonder how much that has to do with The last two heads of state being a little bit more loose than the lips And a little less little less Constrained of their own volition So maybe they they figure there's They're gonna say something or they they keep alluding to things. So it might be, you know Everyone sort of do anyway.  There was a capital march or whatever and there were the the BLM protests, of course And that was like, I think very worrying to the establishment So like is it possible that This is more like a god damn these people who've had a lot of time to really sit around and consider the world We really need to like we need to have them have like a oh squirrel kind of moment to get them off the topic um I think so in some ways, but at the same time I think more so They there's enough panic in the streets already. We just or we're still going through a pandemic You know, like you said, there is all the civil unrest the social justice protest and with all that I think they figured that was as good a time as any to tell people that you know, there's other things out there Because I mean at what point do people reach their panic maximum level? So it's at that point. There's not really much higher ceiling for panic or they already took all the toilet paper.   I assumed it was very dark.  I just I didn't do that.   You know what I mean? Yeah, because it was just like The strangest and so now it's like in the papers, you know, they're like, oh, there was like a crash and Suspected of being a craft or whatever in normal motherfucking newspapers Used to be it would be like conspiracy science page.  No big deal. Everyone go back to sleep Well, let me ask you this they have all these reports. They're all in vessels or of Ships vehicles some some sort of like transportation What do you so what do you think whatever is driving hers look like? Oh my god I think like they keep talking about like the tic tac right thing, right? Yeah, it probably looks like Something very simple from the outside, right like a sphere or something like that Um, I don't think you I don't know if they're not exactly the uss enterprise. I don't think you know what I mean?  Uh, like us from a slightly different dimension Really? Uh-huh. I wonder walk on two feet guest gesture with the hands Or like they're made out of like, uh, some type of alloy or some type of metal because they're like sentient robots Yeah, I would think sentient robot is your best guess for like beings that are going to run into us Because this is a pretty far long ways away from other places But um, I don't know.  I don't know, but you say it's sentient robot. That means Where would a sentient robot come from another Who what would those beings look like that created such robot? Well, they're probably from the not so distant future or a parallel dimension See, I think that's where it gets interesting when you start messing with the time Yeah When space starts messing with the time Because time is sort of the tricksy topic you get a little farther away from gravity It works a little differently, right? So like we don't really know very much as it turns out seems like And uh, I don't know if they were using like gravity waves to travel through space or something like that They're like surfers gravity surfers. Yeah, uh, that would make sense to me with like some type of But they have like a reverse parachute that they're shooting light into and the light catches it and pulls them along or something I don't really as you know I am what is commonly referred to as a benign idiot Ha ha ha ha Um, I don't know like what if they are made of like some type of sentient mist or something, you know If they're just energy in general, you know, what if the what if the vessels they travel in disrupt the space of time What if the vessels they travel in disrupt space and time you mean like when they show up They're like they're tearing through it. So in some way there'd be some disruption there Like the Mandela some timeline somewhere would be affected Somewhere on some other plane or someone just disappears They're just did that show low key. Have you been watching that? I haven't watched. Yeah, definitely watch it It's about timelines and stuff that's sort of like the main gist of the show And like a lot of those the later Avenger flicks, of course feature a lot Interdimensional time travel ideas I wonder if that's like modern popular culture sort of trying to prepare us in a way for like these ideas You know, they don't want our references to be back to the future anymore. Have you seen tenet? Uh, no for no let them. It has to do with like timelines, too. Okay. It's very um You better not watch it high Well, if you do you gotta watch every time If we can't watch it high Greg, I think you can watch it You just gotta dedicate yourself to watch it like four times. Oh, okay. I've actually grasped the plot perfect I like I'm like pleased that you think I would grasp the plot anyway, but yeah, we'll see. Um Yeah, I'm not sure man.  I know I think a lot of people would sort of reference this When they went to the future that time has come and go It's it's uh, I think it was like 2017 or something like that october or whatever That's like gone.  There's some back to the future. Oh, Greg Oh, Greg.  Yeah I'm I'm I'm surprised and um, that's okay. We can still be friends Um, we can still be friends, but it's definitely a barrier for us Um back to the future One and two are a central watching three is more like don't watch it without being stoned Don't watch it. Is that bad? It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad.   Do you want to review a movie?  That's my personal thing. Is there ever a trilogy where the third movie is better than the first? Yes, and it's called indiana jones Because they're serious.  Yeah third movie is like Oh, why why teddy bears now? um Indiana Jones has it like oh my god. He's so adorable running from the big marble and then the second one's like why are we doing this? Yeah, the third movie. It's like way more charming best movie the franchise the third one Um, of course, they recently just completely fucked that franchise So like I can't comment on the other movies, but the third one is like the best one of the franchise. So yes Okay, I'll have to check that out. You should definitely check it out because like there are a lot of bad movies out there and The first indiana jones is a classic skip the middle one completely and important They're not like really connected in any way. So it doesn't really matter Yeah, not everyone should have camera lights. I like it though. No Yeah, I kind of agree with you there All right What's your band doing next uh, we're going up to Oh, wait, where are we going next? I think it's four collins. We're going to all right We've got a couple shows in august. We're going all up to shayan going four collins Going to do some stuff with vocal mix there drive and jive Oh, I think this one's called drive and jive drive and jive I think I'm saying that right are they like is it like a it's like a drive in theater Then we're going to play a show that and you like first time I drive a theater like 10 years Everybody's going to be hot boxing in their car or whatever. I mean, that's what you do a drive and theater That's what you that's one of the things to do a drive and theaters So like I think drive and theaters are classically best known for like Smoking out in your car and like I don't know young people making out. Is that about right? We'll pick it up Do you think it'll take your hot beat?  Yeah. Okay. Just making sure that that's cool with you. I mean, you know If it wasn't I would stop but if that's not played a long time ago All right, uh, what's your band's website? On nativestation music dot com native station music Wildwood we don't see the Like when did that stop?  We know about you don't even the even the computers don't require a w I feel like when someone tells you their address and like all right, so I live in a nice neighborhood It's a brick house and then they actually started like they we don't need all the information just tell me Yeah, I know you live in a house I'm trying to get there I think we should all start saying instead of w w w used to be like six you dot andy apple dot com Just six you just six shoes.   You can tell your friends to go to this website Don't tell your friends if you go to my website You should demand your friends go to this website Yeah, you should really demand your friends and be like I will lose you as a friend if you refuse to go to this website native station music dot com native station music dot com seems easy now. Let's also say it together Native station music dot com. Let's see.  Like you might be a good audience Remember if you didn't fucking say it whatever whatever take a shot and take a shot if you didn't say it We should have drinking games for the show What if I just had a bottle Hit the show and we don't tell the audience what the rules to the drinking game is But we do a drinking game and then they just come to figure out what the rules were about Why did he drink just then when they were like the light rail? They drink every time they're at a harry potter friends All right, last question greg harry potter reference.  What's the one that harry's in the game like riffindor Riffindor Yeah, probably that one really because you're so heroic and brave and just it just seems like a natural fit It does doesn't it I think I'm a huffle and they didn't have any black people Yeah, yeah, they could use some diversity Now you think there's a good question greg since the hat does all the sorting You think that hat's a little racist? I mean It's an old hat. Yeah, it's an old hat You know how old folks can be don't come to my website open my buggy.    Oh, yeah Let's put you in griffindor I will say like griffindor seems to constantly be in trouble and constant danger.  They're like, oh my god.  We might end up in Hufflepuff together.   I'm not great at laundry Don't treat it nice.  That's not what we're doing Those are your sheets Racist hats. I didn't know we'd talk about it, but now we're all aware A little public service announcement a little letter from the editor who've got a note from the editor on those Oh, let me help. Oh, I knew we might Sometimes we get these little notes from uh from the editor of the show Yeah, I knew it. This one is about racist hats. It says I feel the owner of a racist hat Please don't donate it anywhere for any secondhand stores Please destroy it and or mix it in with some other non racist hats for a better influence But I recommend just destroying it, especially an old hat So thank you for the note from the editor. We'll try and keep those coming great Thank you very much for coming on our show. Thank you for that. What a pleasure as always And thank you very much for watching.  We could all die


I am your teacher today Robin Shah welcome to my live stream if it's your first time I do a live stream every Sunday and Everyone's welcome. It's free, but of course if you enjoy my live streams buy me a coffee and Every Tuesday you can catch sherry's live streams and hopefully I'll have another teacher soon. We'll see Be today we're talking about the difference between while and During it's not that difficult of a lesson, but if some of you are confused about while or during This this lesson should clear it up before I begin the lesson Let's say hello to little Robin. He made the PPT today. So if there's any mistakes in the PPT You're in trouble Let's see who's here. Let's check the students Aruna God dose Kodes was here uh-huh Layla sleep walker Trudas Let's move the chat over here so I can see a little better. I Got me green tea Kula Hussin. I don't know how to pronounce everyone's name. Sorry Sarah Tara hair Rian. Hello. Welcome Sarah Michelle. Hello and Magna's here Lolli Lolli Lolli Lolli. I was uh, I Was looking at uh, I was looking at another teacher's live stream like earlier today I was just checking another teacher's live stream and there you were Lolli Lolli Carrie hello You've Jenny hello Moon world Brian win Pawan, okay. See bees here Layla how many cups uh Or you guys are winning Layla asking me about the tea I drink about two cups of tea whenever I'm on camera I drink tea And I'm on camera now Yeah, I did a zoom chat earlier with some students and Worked pretty well and of course, we don't want that we want this one Welcome to all my WhatsApp students I know a lot of you are Talking to me daily in WhatsApp and you guys are welcome and I'm doing fine Harry and Sharanjit Wardah Khan. Oh, it's a long time no see Gerson's here. Oh, okay. We got a lot of people here So let's get started into the lesson while verse during while verse during And it's not much of a lesson. I'm not gonna teach too much. I'm just gonna Do a quick quick lesson of the difference or the grammar behind it And then we're just gonna go into some practice questions And then I'll check how you guys are doing how well you guys are guessing Do we hello, do we I see you here? Sonam from the Pell bearer Cousin Sherry's here. Hello Sherry Drinking too much tea All right, the quick review between while and during same meaning It's the same meaning it's basically two two actions are happening at the same or similar time All right two actions happening together So they have the same meaning so while or during if you hear a while you hear during You're gonna know something was happening and another thing was happening But the grammar is different so we got to go a little bit into the grammar and I tried to Simplify the grammar because I'm not a very good grammar teacher, but Let's look at While these these these are the rules Now while is usually followed by the clause and the clause here is You see S and V that's your subject and verb will we'll get into that later your subject and verb and It's also followed by jaren verb. I and G just verb subject and verb or verb I and G That's gonna follow while Enduring is followed by a noun. All right, so that's the basic the basic grammar differences So they have the same meaning too much tea but the the Grammar differences are what confuse some students Okay, just check the chat And a sad says I look cool in a beard I almost shaved my beard today, but I didn't May is here bad liar. Andre. Hello Andre Andre, I hope to talk to you about your life soon Yeah, you think I think you've gone through some interesting stuff in the past week Roshan Catherine. Hello Charles a lot of the late people coming in During same with since no during is not the same as since During and since are very different, but I'm not teaching that this video. Maybe next video. All right, so this is the grammar of while after while we're looking we're looking for subject verb and or Verb I and G and after during we're looking for now. That's all you're gonna get That's what we're looking at today. So let's go on To an example few examples While we ate dinner. We talked about school. All right So while and then the subject is we and then the verb while we eat dinner We talked about school. So two things are happening. We're eating the dinner and we're talking about school So while we ate dinner, we talked about school Another example. She slept while the movie played. So the movie is playing That's one action and she slept that's an action another action. So it's happening at the same time first sentence while is at the beginning of the sentence and the second sentence While is in the middle of the sentence. So while is easy to move around In the sentences And let's look at the third one Do not talk while students write the test. Okay, this is actually negative Don't do Don't do this action While something is happening. All right, in this case students are writing the test So don't talk while students write the test All right, so these are a good example of a subject verb after while Let's look at a few examples of during During plus noun During dinner. All right dinner is our noun during dinner We talked about school She slept during the movie. All right in this case the move the movie the movie is the the noun Do not talk during during the test All right. So after during work the focus is the noun the focus is the noun and they mean the same thing and I'll I'll compare them so we we learn while we ate dinner we talked about school and During dinner we talked about school. So it means the same thing and we could just see the grammar is different there While we ate dinner we talked about school During dinner. All right, the focus is the noun. We talked about school. She slept while the movie played She slept during the movie. All right so same means the same thing but different grammar and Do not talk while students write the test Do not talk during the test. All right, so the focus is the test Mean the same thing two different kinds of grammar All right, that's my quick review Now we're going into the questions and I want you to Figure out what is happening here and I want you to tell me is this number one number two or number three So it says my father was washing his car blank my mother was cooking So is it while plus subject plus verb or while plus verb ing or during plus now Right the answers are starting to come in carries the fast one today Slick walker one May is to Layla to win is one Lollie Lollie is one why you slow Lollie Lollie? How many how many live streams are you watching at the same time Lollie Lollie? All right one two one two. Well, that's good. Most of you know, it's it's going to be while Most of you know, it's gonna be while But when we put while in there, what is after while my mother? Now is my mother the subject or is my mother the verb the correct answer here is number one Because the focus here after while is my mother that is a subject of the sentence My father was washing his car. So in the first clause my father was washing his car while My mother was cooking. So the subject is there And then the verb after that was cooking they last says, oh, no Should it should be one? Well, you get the hang of it in a moment. Lollie Lollie not at the same time. I Think Lollie Lollie has three monitors watching learning so much English every day See kumaras here Andre lose be happy Some interesting names Elizabeth Belletti Aguilar, okay, let's move on to number two. I fell asleep blank watching television And is it one two or three? Put in your answer. Billy drink a lot of tea during my live stream. You want some tea? Whoa close. I get what's up open on the close that All right, everyone's punching in two to two kusum kashia put in three so nam tamang says three well We see the red line. That's a blank and after the blank we have watching So watching is definitely verb ing Watching all right. So number two is the correct answer and I think most of you Got that go on to number three Charles my soul Warticon Warticon to to mr. Whales here. Hello, mr. Whale All right, number three. I fell asleep. I Made this sentence I fell asleep blank Robin's live stream and May you said number one. So we need the subject Robin and verb. There's no verb there There's no verb for number one There you go may changes to three or Trudas three Michelle during do we three?  I fell asleep during Robin's live stream How many people how many people fall asleep listening to my voice? Sometimes I fall asleep listening to my voice one can always learn Lollie Lollie not me. All right, you guys you guys are lying Let's go into number four While verse during can you turn up the volume, please? I Think the volume is pretty high already Gertrude's So I think you need to put up the volume on your On your end on your machine or whatever. I don't know I'll ask the other people is any problem with my volume guys right number four here. I'm not paying attention Blank the students were chatting the teacher came into the class Oh, all right, so What do you guys have one two may one Michelle one Carrie message deleted Carrie says to All right, so let's look at that blank that red line. That's the blank blank Nothing there and right after that we have the students and that is going to be our Subject or our noun Well, most of you put one or two That is going to be our subject the students and then after that we have our verb subject and verb we're chatting so Here you go If you said number one while the students the subject we're chatting that the teacher came into the class Yeah, the subject is the students So it should be number one I think most of you got that Some of you said to Your folk I think if you said to that verb I and G I think you're focusing on the chatting a little too early Carrie, I think I deleted the right answer. Well, we still have some more questions to practice. No problem number five It's a question What happened blank? the blizzard What happened blank the blizzard get your answers in is it one two or three? Lollie Lollie says three Yeah, good to see deep space again And Shrench it three Laila three Michelle during three three three three Your gore. How do you pronounce it? Gallerosa put two Excuse me Clar niche during question mark you have to You have to have confidence. All right. What is a blizzard? Well the blizzard is a snowstorm now here in Korea, I'm in Korea right now. I'm not Korean. I'm Canadian, but here in Korea. We don't get many snowstorms blizzards compared to Canada Canada growing up in Canada. I remember a lot of blizzards every winter But Korea not so much Maybe Sherry gets a lot of blizzards in her area Anyway, the answer let's take a look so we see the blank after the blank the blizzard That's that's a noun a blizzard is a noun. So it has to be During it has to be during what happened during the blizzard All right, and let's go on to number six There's only ten There's only ten tonight because I don't think while and during is that difficult So I only made ten we're on number six And number six is blank dinner.  Yes, we have blizzards I'm not a fan of them after my live stream. Go check out learn English with Sherry Sherry Gibson's channel. I have never ever seen a blizzard in my life You don't need to see a blizzard I've never seen a sandstorm. Maybe you've seen many sandstorms. I've never seen that man I don't want to see a sandstorm All right So we see the blank right after the blank dinner is dinner A subject a verb or a noun. What is dinner subject verb or noun? Warticon, Warticon, there's no blizzard in Pakistan. What about northern Pakistan? Thank you lolly lolly dinner is a noun if it's a noun. We must have during dinner.   All right, number seven blank. I was driving. I fell asleep Not good. So What are your answers there? Okay, lolly lolly says one one one one we says two Be happy one owner Pinar two everyone's one two One two two two well, let's look at that blank That red line and what is right after that? What is right after that is an I now is I The subject of the sentence the verb of the sentence or the noun of the sentence Geographical travels when I was driving I fell In asleep. He don't say in Do he says subject? social studies one all right, so Yeah, right after while is the subject while I Was driving. There's our verb. I fell asleep while I was driving. I fell asleep. All right let's go on to blank The test I caught my student cheating. Hmm. You guys don't cheat. Do you? Fit we will do we're only choosing why a while or during Zaman hantush. Hello Blank the test. I caught my student cheating. I have caught many students cheating during tests Many many students. All right, so Let's look at our channel members may says lolly lolly three May three Gertrude's three Michelle says during three dewey says three All right, so you get lay less as three Sleepwalk or three win three. All right. Everyone's three three three three and you are all wrong Just kidding. You're all Correct Three during the test. So a test is a thing. It is definitely a noun during the test I caught my student cheating. All right, let's move on to number nine What's happening here? I like to dream of cute cats blank sleeping. I like to drink of cute cats Yeah Blank sleeping fit we thanks. It is a good program. Thank you fit. We will do Deep space. What is the punishment for cheaters? well in my class if you Cheat on the final exam you just get zero on the final exam You don't you might not fail the course But you do get zero on the final exam and actually tomorrow. I am doing mid-term exams at my university With my students Tomorrow, I will go to my university for the first time this year to teach students. We're back in the classroom for one day All right, let's see what's going on. I like the dream of cute cats Sleeping Everyone's two to two someone says three someone says one two to three everyone Well, let's look at that red line that blank After that we see sleeping sleeping is verb ing So verb ing that's going to be Number two, I like to dream of cute cats while sleeping So all of you did number two that should be easy. All right, let's go on to Number ten ten is the last one It's another sentence I made I often think of Robin blank I take out the trash Hey Daniels here Rich Issa Issa Alameda The shoot hard everyone's putting in one Daniel Michelle one protruders lolly lolly one me one do we one Catherine one one one one. All right, so I often think of Robin So we see the red line that blank right after that. We see I I am the subject Well, I'm not the subject you are the subject when you say this I can't say this sentence Because I'm Robin, but you might say this sentence while I take out the trash and Lay this is I often think of Robin while trying to sleep. Yep, that's correct Fit we how many days you teach in one week. Oh fit be I teach every Sunday 1330 but we have other another teacher Sherry. She teaches on Tuesday, so please Subscribe to the channel Like the videos and if you subscribe and hit the bell you'll be notified every time we come out And of course if you enjoy my lessons Support the channel by Mia coffee takes a lot of time and work to Make these lessons and talk to students every week, especially in the WhatsApp groups It's nice when I get coffee money or tea money tea is cheap. All right, so Let's see. Well, that's that's number 10. That was the last one. I I made for today because I don't think while enduring is too difficult So your homework right sentences using while and during in the company comment section of this video Let's see if we can So yeah in the not not here right now, but come back to moral review Put some sentences in the comment section and I will check them eventually Because you know, it's one thing to learn about the grammar and practice the grammar But you're really starting to learn when you start writing your own sentences So if you put them in the comments not today, but tomorrow, I should be able to give some Feedback on those I haven't checked the homework for the last two weeks, but I promise I You know guys, I do a lot of things. I will eventually get to the homework. All right guys that was during and while I Don't I don't expect anyone to master master during and while just watching a 30 minute live stream It takes practice guys. You got to practice the writing. You got to practice the spree speaking. It takes time. I Guess I will finish up the live stream in a few minutes Zeho bass tell my name. Oh, well. Hello Zeho Fit me. Yeah, I'll be looking for you every week. Thanks, sir. Sob. Hello I Don't see every message. So if I don't see your message, you got to repeat it Lollie lice is I love homework Well, come back tomorrow Lollie Lollie to this video and do the homework sleepwalker. It's not a difficult topic. Yep Rich I saw there's the timetable Sunday 1330 GMT That's when I'm here. I've been here at that time. I think for about two years now I've only missed When I travel I might miss That time, but I haven't missed it. She's when's the last time I missed a class maybe not since January All right. Thank you Catherine. Thank you. Sherry Thank you, Mr. Whale. All right Do we well again, I hope you learned a little bit better or you improved a little bit today All right guys, that's it. Yeah, there's a quicker lesson than usual. So I will see you Next Sunday next Sunday, I don't know what I'm gonna do next Sunday So you guys are free to I guess recommend right now would be good What do you guys want to learn next Sunday? Tell me in the chat and I will I'll make a note of Upcoming lessons. So what what would you guys to look what would you guys like to learn about next Sunday? See you sleepwalker Lesson is over. You can you can go you can leave the classroom, but I'm gonna stay a little bit to To see get some ideas of what to teach in the future Vishuddha modal verbs I hate teaching modal verbs. Maybe Sherry can do that Deep space will Esther be on the other channel for long. Yeah, Esther She's she doesn't like doing live streams, but she still has videos coming out Wins says pronunciation Monal verbs pronunciation Everyone you're just saying everything. Can you be more specific? vocabulary what That course up. Where are you from? I'm a Canadian Prepositions with adjectives. There we go. 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So I'll call this meeting to order at 8 a.m. for the Longmont Housing Authority Advisory Board. Welcome everyone to this beautiful snowy Tuesday morning. Olivia, would you do roll call for us? Sure. This morning we have Tom DeBee, Arlene Zortman, Gene Christopher, and Lauren Selle. We also have Harold Dominguez, Lisa Gallinar, Karen Roney, Kendra Daniels, and Polly Christensen. Thank you very much. I'd like to welcome Lauren back too with the new baby girl. Welcome, welcome. Can everybody have a chance to review the minutes from our March 16th meeting? Are there any changes to that? I did notice one minor misspelling which was on the, I believe the second to the last page in the vacancy age receivables report, second paragraph. Harold Dominguez is with a G instead of a Q. Good catch. I didn't even catch that one. Do I hear a motion? I think you're on mute, Gene. Second. So Gene made the motion, Arlene, seconds. Eyes please raise your hand. I'm going to refrain from voting since I wasn't there last month. Okay, all right. You abstain. Motion, you now ask your passes. So let's go to number three on the agenda. Public invited to be heard. Olivia, did you hear from anyone? No? Okay. Yep. So let's go on to number four, new and old business. A, input on council retreat item regarding llama housing authority. That'll be me. So when we were talking about the retreat with the city council slash housing authority board this year, they indicated that they wanted to spend the majority of the time on housing authority issues. They also indicated that they would like the advisory board to join them during that retreat. So with a couple of provisions one, they wanted to do it in person. And they wanted to do it unmasked. So potentially looking at someplace outdoors or close enough outdoors where we can run in if we have a rainstorm if needed. So the dates they're looking at is though dates we're looking at to propose to them is June 4, 5, 11 or 12. But we'll work with them on the specific dates. It's really going to depend on what happens with the masking orders within the next month and the rules whether or not we change on May 16. So we'll be providing you more information on the logistics and the date based on what we hear from the county in terms of whether or not we move into level clear on May 16 or not. What we wanted to talk to you all about is when I was working to put together the agenda in terms of how we move through housing authority issues. The one way I started looking at it was and we're still working on how it sits but starting off with the presentation of housing needs assessment review. And that's just the study that we've done that says here's what we need for housing in our community. Then moving into a discussion and we don't want to talk a lot to you all. We want you all to really interact and talk through these things. But also providing the city council, the majority of the city council members with some grounding on some of these issues because beyond you and council member Christensen and council member Waters, very few of them have really dug into the housing authority items. And so what we wanted to do was start off with them and we're still working on the order of this. But an overview of the housing choice voucher program, specifically talking about the vouchers and the partnerships that we have with private property owners. The, and I'm seeing a lot of acronyms in here, the project-based vouchers that are connected with developments. And then also looking at some of the ARPA impacts and some of the vouchers that will be available through that process. What we want to talk about in that section, or then we want to move into the properties, the types of properties that we have in the development. So go over the LIETEC properties, properties for older adults, properties for families, the HUD 202 properties, which we have with the car stone and lodge, and then supportive service properties with supportive services for persons exiting homelessness that need more intense supportive services than the different types of partnerships. Tax exemptions, property management, tax credits, turnkey, and then how that combines with the inclusionary housing, land donation, or partnership piece. And then going into the conversation on what we should be doing, AMI goals. What are the goals for vouchers? Do we increase the number of type of vouchers? What populations do we target? How should project-based vouchers impact or support project development? Getting into some development goals. What is our mission with respect to supportive housing? What number and type of unit should we be shooting for? Do we get priority to LHA properties for Cindy City funding and inclusionary housing projects and other support? I'm talking a little bit about partnership goals. What level of partnership do we want to focus on? Money generation, unit generation, unit ownership. And then get into a different opportunity section, really focusing on affordable assisted living or four-cell housing development. So that's kind of what we put together is the talking points. Again, we're still really structuring this agenda to where it may flow and make more sense. And it's easier to talk through, but I wanted to throw that out to you all to say, is there anything that you all would like to discuss with the council during this retreat, focusing on the housing authority? Anything that we missed? Anything that we think we probably shouldn't talk about? So now the floor is yours. You probably covered this a little bit, but I guess my question is, does the city have data on what is really critical right now as far as housing goes? Is it seniors or is it families? What are we looking at here? So we do, and I'll ask Kathy and Karen to join in with the Housing Needs Assessment Review. I think one of the things that I can tell you that we've seen is, at least in terms of the portfolio for the housing authority to compare what we need, we think we're probably where we need to be in terms of housing for older adults, and we need to start focusing on family housing as part of the Housing Authority portfolio. And that's, I think I mentioned it in here. And then obviously supportive services housing. The thing on the supportive services side, so then it becomes more than just about the amount of units that we have, and do we have enough for a community, but it also then ties into what can we support as a community? Because they not only utilize services of the Housing Authority, they utilize services from our non-profit community, public safety, and those types of things. And so there's a different, there's other variables that come into that world. But I would say my gut was what I would tell you is we probably need more affordable family housing. Karen? So, you know, so Kathy might want to jump in, but it, you know, when we complete the consolidated plan for HUD every five years, you know, part of that process is to conduct a, you know, a comprehensive assessment of housing and human service needs. So we did just complete that in 2020. So, so I don't know whether that would be helpful. Obviously we'll provide that document as part of the packet that we put together for council. And I don't know whether, I mean, it sounds like it might be helpful if we, you know, sent the advisory board members copy that information. And so that you can have a chance to look at that and review that. So let's see, we're still in April, right? So, so clearly we will track the time. So clearly June will be the earliest that we will have the council retreat. So it also could give you an opportunity to review that data. And we could have this discussion in more depth during the May advisory board meeting. So Kathy, I don't know if you have anything else you'd add. I don't. That's what I was going to suggest. That way we would still have time if there are some pockets of things that are missing, that we could do some additional research as well. I just had one thing and I didn't quite, I don't know if I heard it or not. It would just be like the discussion with the partners that we do have, you know, like the mental health partners, like the number of units that they would have. I think that would just be kind of going along lines with our property discussion as well. Okay. Are you talking about the vouchers that they get from the state in terms of the project, the project-based vouchers? Yeah. Because we have units set aside specifically for that, right? Correct. Any further discussion, questions? Oh, go ahead, Karen. So, yeah, so not a question, but I think in essence, you know, what Harold outlined is that, so we'll, you know, we'll talk about the current housing needs. We will talk current and projected housing needs. And then, you know, what is it that the Housing Authority does now to address those needs? And then it's really that conversation about what would be the goals going forward. So as we understand the ongoing needs that we will have for, you know, for housing. So it, you know, it would be great. And again, this doesn't have to be the last time we talk about this, but if, you know, how do you, is there additional information, anything else that you think would be really helpful for us to bring to that council retreat, to help in that discussion really about setting goals going forward? Okay. So anything else that comes to mind? So how about we do this? If anybody has goals now, we could discuss it now. Else, what we could do is put something on the agenda for our May meeting and we could discuss our goals. That would give us time for the retreat. And we could kind of have something on the table at that point. Go ahead, Laura. I was curious. Do we have an inventory of affordable housing for purchase? I mean, just want the city of Longmont have properties, kind of like the city of Boulder's affordable housing program where you can purchase and own an affordable housing unit that stays in the program, kind of like FISL. I know FISL has some units in Longmont in houses. Yeah. So we have some at Blue Vista that's under construction right now, or completed. They have a total of 26. They've sold 11 through 2020. So that leaves 15-ish that was left. And I think they've been consistently selling two to three per month out there. We have a turnover of the units that are still in our inclusionary housing program the first time. I think there's about 30, 20 to 30 homes still left in that program that can choose. So those units can choose to either get out of the program and sell at market or they can choose to stay in and sell to another buyer. We've had some go both ways. And then so far under the inclusionary housing program to date, other than Blue Vista, we haven't received any for sale onsite units other than through Habitat for Humanity. Those units aren't built yet. There's a total of about 20 there to be coming up over the next probably three to four to five years. But Habitat has also been consistently building at about the rate I'd say two to three a year just on their own by infill lots and that kind of thing. So yeah, it'd be nice to know, have some more information about those units. And I'm curious why people are allowed to opt out of the program. It seems like we'd want to keep houses locked in the city of Boulder program. Well, when they repealed the inclusionary housing program, that was the caveat for the units that were in at that period of time. So I think it'd be worth discussing a different a different track for the future if we start building more affordable housing. Yeah, we're totally on a different track. Yeah, unless unless it gets repealed again, Council can do that. Yeah, I just think that if we're if the mission is really to provide permanently affordable housing, you shouldn't be able to opt out of it. So the other thing is sort of clarifying that we were on a path. Council opted out of it or they killed it up. They let him opt out of it. We're now back on a path. And they're in it. They did set some parameters, depending on market. So we're sort of back where we were. But there was a chunk of time where we lost between the two where they were able to opt out. Okay. Yeah, because I think that that's a really I think that's something we should focus on and talk next month about, you know, a plan for housing for families, not just apartments or condos, but maybe some townhomes, something with the yard, because I know when my husband and I were looking to transition out of affordable housing in the city of Boulder, our only options were condos. And we were looking to expand our family and needed more space. So I think that that would be something worth looking at maybe like a mixed unit. So as a point of clarification, are you suggesting that's an LHA goal, or that's an overall citywide goal? Well, I think it's an LHA goal, but it's in line with the city's goals, providing affordable housing for the community. Okay, I just want to point out LHA has never done foresell housing. So if that's a direction you want to go, I would think long and hard about that, because that's a that's a big shift. Okay.  On the veterans housing that is being put together, is that something that we are involved in, or is that not? LHA is not involved in that. It came in through the voluntary alternative agreement via the inclusionary housing model. So the city is involved in that as part of that agreement. Now, we think that there's now there's, from the other side, we are looking at leasing the office space to them so that they can utilize it. And we can serve the same mission. So we talked to you all about that. So you're involved on that side. I will say that as you look at the growth of the program and you look at how it operates, we're going to be working with each other from an operational perspective, because as they potentially have opportunities to house unhoused individuals, there may be a flow through properties that make sense as as they're working with their clients to move towards self sufficiency. And that's what you see in Kansas City. So they'll come in, they'll work with them. They'll move them into affordable housing. And then now they're actually seeing them move into market rate housing, based on how they're they're working them through their system. So there's a slight connection. Any other further discussion on for a at all. So I think what we'll do is we'll kind of come up with our goals. So it's kind of your homework assignment, and we'll discuss a little bit further in our main meeting. So let's move on to for be the auto update. Who's that kinder? So right now, most of the properties have been completed except for Aspen Meadows senior apartments. They're still working on finalizing that one. The we did receive some findings for the hardstone in the lodge and we're working through the corrective actions for that. A lot of them you've seen before. I don't know how much I don't know if you've guys if you guys have seen all the audits before. I don't know what the background is on that. So part of it is separation of duties, lack of lack of segregation. We also had an audit finding because when the city came in, we didn't realize that it wasn't in their monthly process to pay the reserves. So we received a finding on that because the hardstone in the lodge hadn't been putting money into the reserve accounts. And with the cash flow with that being so rent restricted, it was tough for us to to get payments in by the end of the year by the time we found out. The other one we did have some eligibility which we've had in the past, which is just they weren't able to find documents in the files that were signed. So we have so we're working on the corrective actions. We do have a plan. And I think we have because we're going to have three in accounting and we're also going to try to have backups on the city side of accounting so that we can have if somebody's designated to print checks, then somebody from the city will step in to print checks that week if that person's out. So that's kind of what we're kind of looking at so that it's not me. So it's and that's where the problem comes is like we can have the separation with the three but once one goes on vacation, one of us has to be the backup. So we are working on that. We're also looking at being able to do file reviews. So having community managers from different properties come in and do file reviews so that we can pass those. One of the things was that they couldn't find a checklist in the file. So we should have a checklist especially for the 202 properties that basically say we have everything for these 202s that HUD requires. And so they couldn't find those in the file. There wasn't that checklist. HUD has a checklist that Andrea's working on and creating so we can start having those in the file along with maybe having the other community managers step in and review each other's files. So we have that documentation for when audits come down and they get reviewed. We are working on the LHDC audit right now. That's in full force. And then the LHA audit is planned for May 17th. That's when that one will start. So that's kind of where we stand now. I can send all those audits. I don't know if that's something that's normally done in a particular board meeting where you get to look at all of them or if this is something that once I get the final ones I send them to you, if you can give me some background that would be great. I think once we get, we'll do the council, once we get it finalized and it's all in and we'll present to the board. Okay. One of the things I did want to touch on with Kendra, so I've been seeing these as they're coming through. She has to approve them and I have to approve them. The biggest challenge just to go in in terms of some of the findings like segregation of duties, Tom mentioned this last time you all mentioned it when we sort of started coming in to the meetings. If you will remember we didn't start hiring the positions because we had to understand our financial capability first and so we didn't start hiring and creating all the accounting positions until late 2020 and so obviously this audit is for that year. So we've already began taking the corrective actions but it won't show up until next year's audit because we're not bringing those people into play. We didn't bring those individuals into play. We didn't get Lisa in until the beginning of this year and the other property managers. So many of those items that you'll see that the corrective action is we're really underway in doing this. Same with the segregation of duties. What I can tell you is it's at the end of 2020 it was much better than it was at the beginning of 2020 because not only did we have Kendra in, we had Susie in and we had Deanne in. So we had 3 different people working in the finances but it just wasn't fully developed and built out. So that's why that's continuing but we know that as Kendra indicated for 2021 we have our 3 and then when someone's on vacation we'll just pull someone in from the city's accounting side to make sure that stays in play. The other key piece that Lisa talked about yesterday and if you have questions I'll let you go to Lisa. As Lisa actually has each one of the property managers auditing the files of the other properties. So Karen will audit Andreas, Andrea will audit Karen's and so we're mixing it up so we also have another set of eyes on that and Lisa's overseeing all of that work. So I'm pretty happy with where they're moving and what we need to do but again we're still going to catch audit findings from 2020 because if you look at the timing I think we started the conversations in April or May but we really didn't fully get into this until June when Jillian left and even then we were still utilizing the same processes so that's why there were things in there because they were doing it this way we didn't catch it until much later and we're continuing to clear up all of those issues. Did I misstate anything Kendra? Yeah just a point of clarification is this our financial audit or HUD audit? Financial audit. Financial audit that's what I was assuming okay and then so I just kind of two points what I'd like to see is just in that corrective action plan is just calling out hey we've already covered this or maybe even put a date in that we've instituted a policy change in and this has been corrected I think that's really what we would be after. Yes we had findings because we didn't have the manpower or we didn't have policies and procedures in place and then the other question I did have do we have documented policies and procedures or is that still kind of a work in process? I don't know for what? Well basically I guess this would some of this would be the segregation duties would be on the check disbursements. Oh yeah yeah okay we're working on that right now we have a lot of them in place but we're continuing to refine yeah it's probably changing as as you work through it as well as you're getting stuff fine tuned in that. I was just gonna say we've been standardizing a lot of processes and updating a lot of policies and procedures so that's like a at least one a week if not more that we're kind of turning out and financial ones are going to the LHA board and internal organizational kind of ones Harold has the ability to review and approve so yeah and that's what the udders are really going to be after and if you fall on your policies and procedures you're not going to have any findings so that's it yeah and then also in the segregation of duties and I didn't mention as you also have um Deanne and Jim Golden coming in and helping as we look at things and start working through various issues and so for example the best examples as we look at balance sheets and how we do it um they're they're there supporting kindra in this because kindra technically works for Deanne and Jim so you also have our the city CFO coming in when needed kindra's doing a fabulous job so but he comes in on a limited basis but both Deanne and Jim were there to support her when we needed that's great it's basically having like an external CFO right they on call yeah yeah any further discussion on this all right let's go on to uh 4C the VCA update so I am happy to report everything that needed to be submitted to HUD has been submitted as far as policies um proof that we have disseminated those to residents we've got packets for new applicants we've got some of the policies and procedures up on the website um so that was all due April 15th and we got that all completed the only thing left to do only it's still a big lift is the analysis of all of our properties um for accessibility designing a plan to address those and then determining with HUD how we're going to do that we've already started to work on getting additional UFAS the special ADA accessibility units that we we need and don't have through some various partnerships so one of the deals that we're working on with on the chrisman 2 project they're going to double the amount of UFAS units in that property which we will then eventually have ownership of um so that will count for some of those units that we know we're going to be missing when we do that analysis and audit so we're already thinking ahead on how we can get some additional units and then as we go through as our properties age and we go through and do another recent occasion rehab like we did for aspen meadows apartments um village places next and then I think aspen meadows neighborhoods after that will be also be including in that additional UFAS units in in those renovations and rehabs wherever we can so um starting to think ahead but we don't have um the plan we don't have the analysis of that that's the next lift that we need to start working on which will happen probably next month we'll start putting together and getting out an RFP for an architect to go around and analyze the properties but half of it's done about half that's good news and obviously that piece got delayed because of COVID and being in people's units and so when we did get the extensions there that we needed to because of that any questions or discretion all right let's go on to uh five a city report update on operations Lisa's at you so they can see age receivables report was it kinder I can definitely speak to the age receivables report I wanted to do something different this month and kind of give you a snapshot of what you received last month and what you're receiving this month so you can kind of see um the fluctuations and the differences the community managers have started working on the ledgers I've been working with them they have to send the documentation to me on their findings of what they're finding in the file so that I can upload that documentation when I do the corrections a lot of what we're seeing is um you already just wasn't doing the lease charges correctly and they weren't getting them corrected in the system so what was happening is you may have been overcharging on the half side and undercharging on the tenant rent or vice versa so in in in a sense it's a zero net effect it's just on the wrong ledgers and when it's on the wrong ledgers it creates these anomalies such as the suspense column the suspense column is specifically rated related to half basically that you've received half money that you don't have a charge for so you really should probably send this hat back and that was probably not the case we just had the wrong charges on the wrong ledgers so it's moving those charges to the right ledgers and seeing what the anomalies are for the tenants you know were they were they short paying this this entire time and why and going through those so same thing with the prepayments if the charges aren't listed on the tenant's ledger it's looking like they're prepaying all these funds and they're not it's just a ledger ledger swap so we are working through those it's going to be a long process because it takes a long I mean a lot of these have to go back to 2018 because that's when they started so they're having to review all the way back to 2018 find the recertifications what were they were having to reach out to the HAP subsidy agencies because we may not have a certification in the file because we're seeing that they've actually taken money back and we don't know why so there's a lot of work involved but it has started and you can kind of see some of it is going down so we're getting there question this Kendra is this like the suspense and prepayment should some of that necessarily been recognized as revenue then are we shortening the revenue side or it could be so if if they were charging less rent so let's say they charged a thousand dollars but they really should have been charging 1200 we could not have been recognizing revenue correctly so yeah that is because what I see this is money that we received that we haven't matched against anything right correct and a lot of the prepayments could be the tenant owed more and they were paying more because they received their certification letter so they were actually paying the correct rent but in Yardee we weren't charging the correct rent we were charging that rent on the HAP subsidy side which was creating the suspense and then also creating a prepay on the tenant letter so just swapping those and matching them up removes them from the ledger yeah okay and then one other question too that I had was just just on the prepayments are we expecting to see prepayments normally do we collect I mean the deposit with the deposit show in there or any sort of like last month's rent we would expect that to be zero the deposit shouldn't show up on there because that gets put in a separate holding account so that shouldn't show up there and no I mean we shouldn't see prepayments on these I mean these are low-income housing a lot of them aren't prepaying I know there was maybe one that might have been prepaying at the suites so so I think also at the community manager level we don't want that liability either so if they are prepaying you know the community managers need to reach out and say hey you don't owe us you know you need to reduce your rent check so that we don't have this big liability at the end to pay them out we're not a savings account basically for them to hold their their money on then did you want to talk about the lodge and what happened there yeah so the lot you got a love HUD so we received a 14 percent increase in our vouchers for the 202 properties the way HUD works is they create a threshold and so what happened is when we did the gross rent change to increase those contract rents we weren't able to get them done at the end of the year because we didn't have the contracts in time when you do these 202 properties you actually create the voucher for the future month so that voucher was already created on December 8th for January so what happened on the lodge and it happened on the hardstone as well is when we went to do the gross rent change it goes back to January and it tries to correct what should have happened on those ledgers as well and get that hat money back in well that put it over the threshold for HUD and so they denied the voucher and so I have to work through this process on how to correct it in the system and get it uploaded so that they'll approve it it's kind of as Lisa has found out HUD sends you on this little circle path a lot I've had to do so they first rejected it then they sent me to the program manager now they said it's ineligible and they basically said here's the instructions on how to correct it so I'm working through that they don't give much guidance but I think even Yardee will probably give me more help than the Yardee support will give me more help than HUD has so we'll get there so February's lodge payment was denied it's it's going to get paid we just have to work through the processes and then for the hardstone it was their April payment because it took a we had two contract rent changes they gave us an amount I went back and said we can't even pay the reserves and the program manager realized they left the reserves out of the rent calculation so they had to up the rent again so we'll see the same anomaly happening on the hardstone for their April voucher so I just want to add because of this issue and the audit that we went through just got our report back on the audit for hardstone and lodge we are exploring all options to get out of the 202 program there is an avenue that HUD provides to do that the level of minutiae that HUD gets into on these projects is so ridiculous it is it's just mind-boggling I haven't seen HUD this bad in a project for years and years and years and years if ever and and they're usually pretty bad so we are starting to explore how how do we get convert these projects what they do is they convert them to all being project-based vouchers so then you have the control and you you operate them just like you would any other property that has project-based vouchers so we are moving on that as quickly as we can I think there's a waitlist to get on that conversion so we're trying to explore what all that means and how long that might take but this is that's a direction that we really feel we need to go so we'll keep you apprised if we did switch it over to the project-based vouchers would we see a decrease in money coming from HUD at all or is it going to be about the same it would be the same from what from what our consultant said is that basically your contract rent so whatever your contract rent is today it would move over to the project-based vouchers and that would be your contract-based rent as well but what you don't have to do is you don't have to go through this budget process of where you're spending your money and give them all the details and you don't you don't your money doesn't apply to the the HUD handbook which is pretty extensive on all the regulations that you actually have to follow we're also saying is we never want to do another 202 property for developing it that was gonna be one of my goals though age receivables I think it was next so I did the age receivables I think the vacancy report Lisa did you want to report out on that one so on the vacancies we're making progress really been pushing the managers and the assistance to get these units rented so spring creek is fully rented village place I think as of last night she had her to that were not rented that rented as well the lodge of heartstones fully rented so we have moving schedule starting today all the way through May 5th that will fill up all these properties again finally let's see and the suites the LHA units have been rented they have a briefing today for the second unit we're just waiting for mhp to fill their units which they're they are struggling going through boh because they have to pull 20 names at a time and then make sure that those 20 qualify but some of them they've had changes and stuff that make them ineligible for the suites so it's been a process we're slowly getting through those and ask them that of senior now that it's been a little bit of a struggle to rent those vacancies just with all the construction going on people want to see the units it's hard to have them walking under scaffolding around the construction crews there's not a lot of parking but I'm optimistic as we're moving forward that we'll be able to get those other units lease once we get back into the office so that we're more available to prospects as well any questions on the vacancy report all right let's move on then to 582 the security update is that me so we have been a couple of things we have had some issues on security at village place so we've done a few things first we have entered into an agreement with integrity fire and security systems they're the city's provider so we're able to tap into that that contract they are in the process right now of placing the cameras at various locations within the village place common areas um I'm not sure exactly on what the completion date is I know that when I walked through there before all the conduit and camera mount locations were were almost final finalized the other thing that we did is because we were able to also find out that the back doors on that facility they were able somebody was able to come in and push the lock so we used another city contractor and they went ahead and put the plates that they cover it to prevent access in that area so um we know we've we've stopped the immediate issue and the cameras will be put in play be finalized in the very near future so that if we have that again we'll be able to at least have the video we need part of what we're doing on this system is it's going to be a cloud based system and so as we've worked the remodel for aspen metal apartments we're going to put the same system in place there and we're talking about putting that system in and aspen metal neighborhood as well where we're really aiming to on some of the security pieces is to integrate this all into one cloud based system where we we would all have access to it as well as um potentially dispatch and maybe some of the officers so if needed if there were calls and things they we could go into the system remotely from wherever we are but it'll be a completely integrated system amongst all the properties and we're sort of just stepping into this as as we have money available to do it um obviously we we use the replacement funded spring creek to do this just because of the issues that we were having there um and but we'll we will just be moving through this as we can for the rest of the properties based on their ability financially to do this they said did I miss anything on that um just a slight correction we're using village place reserve replacements to do this and we're looking into doing spring creek getting some entry cameras in the parking lot um also on security we are working to upgrade some lighting at some of the properties as well through grants with the city efficiency works we sent in proposals yesterday for the suise and for aspen metals neighborhood to upgrade their lighting they will be they walk bryer wood and lha main yesterday and they'll be doing spring creek and fall river thursday um and so these grants will pay for all the lighting and it upgrades them to led but provides more luminous lights throughout the parking lots and around the exteriors of the building for the safety of the residents any questions all right let's move on to a five eight three property updates okay so take that i'm gonna jump in after you okay so we do have an add-out for the third manager we haven't received any great resume so we're going to keep that ad up looking for our third property manager to complete the staffing that we need at lha in the interim i've been still filling in here at spring creek and fall river twice a week um we are bringing the after hours emergency system that we've been using at all of the properties the always an answer we are actually bringing that in-house things to the city and following the steps of forestry and parks and rec so we'll be saving money on all of the properties monthly and make some more one-on-one maintenance doing directly with the residents instead of an answering service and we start that here the first week of may and as Kendra touched on our managers have been auditing these ledgers and making it through a couple ledgers a week it is a timely process but they're all gung-ho about getting their yardage systems cleaned up and making just their delinquents reports look really good in the future so i know karen has a goal of having her done by june or july andria is right on page with that and i started working with um britney here at spring creek and fall river to get those ones done now a question on that they review on every single file or they just do in a single every single file every contract so if the resident had multiple changes throughout the year they have to look at every contract at every month to match up to make sure the charges were correct on both the hap side or the voucher side section eight side and on the um resident side so it is a timely process and some of those take can take days in between regular business to look at and my final update is tomorrow we get the equipment installed at the hearthstone and the lodge for the pendant system that will replace the pool courts so the fire department is looking forward to that one because the residents will have kind of like the alert system instead of just the pool and the sorry the alert system works throughout the community in their units throughout the community and in the parking lot instead of just the pool courts in one area of the residence they said do you also want to touch on some of that um even though they're reserve replacement but some of the work that we've done at some of the different properties as well as um i don't think we've given them an update on the latest suites um insurance issue um the water break thing and where that stands so yes the suites we have completed that um construction issue we're working to get heaters put into the stairwell so to avoid this problem happening again when we have the low temperatures as well but the resident who was temporarily living in another unit on site has been moved back into her residence um and we've completed that we're just pending now the finalization of the insurance claim and a few invoices to close that one out reserve replacements we're working on for village place for the cameras along with a couple appliance replacements going on there and the next one we're looking at is spring creek to do some reserve replacements for their camera system as well as aspen meadows neighborhood any questions i'm sorry i'm having horrible hour just to have a couple of updates so um one of the things the parking lot and aspen meadows apartment that parking lot is is still open one of the the issues that we're having is the the moisture test keeps coming back high and so they're working with the engineers to really determine how much material we need to replace in order to get that more moisture content where you need it in your subsurface so that you can then begin the paving um obviously the weather we've been having recently is not helping matters in terms of the moisture content so um it looks like there was reserves available to do this and and so that's what they're working on and we were starting to based on where we were moving and the amount of money we had looking at other options um but this um this parking lots going to continue to be a challenge for us i'm just wanting you all to know but is that going to eat up on the contingencies that we had planned on with aspen meadows partially yeah okay um the other thing we're working on and this is really tied to some of the arpa funds and and the digital divide world in terms of aspen meadows neighborhood um you all may know that we are also connected to the via next slide to the school district on a million dollar grant that they had when i started looking at the coverage area this area for aspen meadows neighborhood was in it um a few weeks ago lisa and i did a walk around with next slide looking at what we can do for camera placement um in that area but also started talking about um internet access and so i have asked them for um a bulk agreement for aspen meadows neighborhood to provide internet service there we actually were able to get them into the units and they have a really good comms room so they're looking at instead of the way they've been connecting the units when asked moving into the comms room to essentially light up the entire unit so they have um really hard work to access throughout the unit in addition to wi-fi um so we'll be working on that i'm kind of looking at some of the arpa funds or cares funds that we have available to front that digital divide piece and then we will have to eventually be able to over time absorb that within the ramp but i think if we give ourselves three three to five years um that we can do that um because the arpa funds are one time so but that's at the end that's at the neighborhood seeing no hands uh let's go on to number six other business so on other business a couple of things that we wanted to update you on and we've been working on this so you heard kathy mentioned the christman two project um wanted to touch on that one a little bit so what happened there is recently we heard that mgl who was a developer of christman one was actually interested in development of christman two it appears that last year or you know within the last year year and a half they approached um the housing authority with interest in doing the second phase we're not sure what happened but apparently the decision was not to move forward with that project um we have engaged in conversations with them um based on just the opportunities that exist today and so we have been negotiating with them over the last couple of months on what christman two would look like um as you all may remember um the housing authority had an option of christman one to come in for a hundred dollars correct kathy kathy and essentially take over the facility and begin the management on this um again not really sure what happened when this first deal was there um i think there was a situation when they used um cdb g dr funds instead of the original financing financing model that um impacted their bottom line so as we began discussions on christman two um what we've essentially noted and negotiated is a later date to to come in and officially take the properties so um but it will be not only christman one it'll be christman two uh and so that looks like it'll be at the end of 2027 um we have the ability to come in and manage the properties at an earlier date once they once the word kathy um reach stabilization reach stabilization to reach a stabilization um and so once christman two reaches stabilization even though we're going to 2027 which helps in terms of the ongoing dollars but what we also negotiated in this is that um we um adjusted the revenue split on christman one because we know we would be losing money if we came in in 2023 as the management arm but we also know the world we're in now and what we're trying to stabilize so um for christman one until we take the properties over we shifted the revenue split from uh i believe it was uh 60 40 was that the original 50 50 50 we will now um and we're going to hopefully finalize this afternoon we will now get 75 of the net revenues and they'll get 25 of the net revenues which will add an additional 203 000 coming in to the housing authority over that time which in all would be 611 000 and then obviously when we move into christman two i believe there's some development fees in that as well that will come into play so um that's what we're negotiating with them right now we will need to come in with potentially somewhere between and we've got to talk to LHTC about this and we've got to call a meeting for them but we will and when we say we meaning LHTC the city and LHA will need to come in with um anywhere from 500 to 1000 to a million dollars so what you can see though is when you look at the money we're pulling out of it the return is actually really really good in a narrow period of time what we get out of it is 49 sub 50 percent AMI units and we get 9 30 percent AMI units um and and so this is a little bit different because what we also heard from chaffa is in terms of what the work that they do what they're also seeing is an oversaturation of 60 percent AMI units and so what we did here is a little bit different and then it's an income averaging and with the income averaging you bring in 70 and 80 units but what it does is it actually gives you more sub 50 units than you would if you looked at the 60 percent AMI threshold that we've typically been looking at and and so it's a slightly different deal um we're getting more 50 below units we're getting the FAFSA unit so that's what Kathy talked about earlier um that we need to make up for the system and we're adding an additional 200 000 dollars of revenue coming in through this process so we think it's a pretty good deal for the housing authority and then knowing that we have the ability to assume management once stabilization is reached and that really works with us in terms of what we're trying to do now because the other project that's in the hopper and these are probably all going to be in construction around the same time is the element project at the suites which is sunset heights which is a fully supported project which we are supposed to be the managers of and so we're we're moving through all of those processes now and that's why the delay also worked on the christmas side christmas is going through the four percent tax credit uh for the no tax credits it would be all private activity bonds okay well what's the four percent the non competitive that they're talking about it's just non competitive period all right all right so they're going through the non competitive world um element is going through the um the tax 39 percent in approval and and so we we've had some issues we've needed to work through with doh but we think um as of last friday we're in a pretty good spot on that one so elements responding to them and we should hopefully hear in the near future so we're going to be in development on two fairly significant ads to our affordable housing product in our community um here's where the world also changes as we look at our arpa funds um right now i'm asking um the organization to look at needs but we also know we have a rare opportunity that i'm going to talk to council about in that we have 15 million dollars that we're still waiting on the treasury guidance that could potentially be used in the development of affordable housing you don't have that much money coming in and so it we could theoretically then be in a position if we can utilize the arpa funds and if council agrees with that from a policy perspective that we would then want to start looking at the property that is north of um west of the lodge at hearstone that lhdc owns lhdc correct yeah they own that one as a development project but again kind of talking about what we said earlier the need for affordable family housing um looking at something like that really looking at some of those arpa funds for potentially being the seed money in this and and this is where everything i think this is where the relationship actually really works and we're seeing things we didn't see but how do we use these opportunities to increase the revenue stream for the for the housing authority so one of the things you all may have heard us talking about and i'm just planning the seed and in your mind to start thinking about this and we're going to do the same thing with the council hopefully in the near future or the no later than the retreat um what we're really seeing in this this world of affordable housing and public private partnership is the ability to generate a large amount of revenue and really stagger how we're coming in on the management side of this and the more that we can use things like arpa funding inclusionary housing funding to to do this work um the easier becomes and so something that as we look at these projects that i'm starting to noodle around is actually the first and main transit station so if we can bring some of this money in to do mixed use development with affordable housing in it we now all of a sudden benefit a lot of things but but we're tied in there and then if you can look at it and leverage it with the public private partnership model then you can get even more housing in this and so i wanted to use christman an element as an example of how we're starting to shift our thought process a little bit in terms of what makes the most sense um long term for the housing authority and being partners in these projects and and what we can really get out of it because it does bring in um in many cases a revenue stream for very little work outside of the front end of this knowing that you'll assume a heavy lift down the road which i think times better with where we are operationally i think did i miss anything no i just would add that there's other um additional opportunities with the arpa funding that some funds are going to the the home consortium um which is like triple our normal um allocation so we're going to be meeting tomorrow our folks are going to be meeting tomorrow about um how to pipeline some projects for that those have to be used to assist homeless those at risk of homelessness um victims of domestic violence those kind of things but that's something that some of the projects we already have in the works could um maybe use funding for elements going to need some additional funding um so that might align with those goals um and then the housing authority is going to be getting hopefully some vouchers we're still not really well here by may 10th how much and and what um but that is a tenure um funding source for vouchers again really to help homeless at risk homeless domestic violence um those really high risk populations so there's a lot of opportunities that are coming um with the the arpa funding that we need to really make sure we are all aligned and have plans for everything and can hit the ground running as soon as we get the word and we start to get regulations and stuff like that to make sure everything's aligned and ready to go all right it's all very good news any questions comments from anybody uh one thing I wanted to ask too was could we get a budget to actual comparison at our monthly meetings is that something that could be worked up or balance sheet and income statement type thing absolutely okay um it's been a process of getting the budgets uploaded but they they are almost done all right I didn't know what that what that process was like so yeah so so yeah we should absolutely you want to see both the income statement and the balance sheet that'd be preferred yes detailed or summarized this let's do both summary and detail at this point then we can kind of see what sort of information we would like okay is there anything else from anybody it's like a shorter meeting this time yes Arlene so this is going to be sort of a comment and possibly a question I had the wonderful opportunity of being the first car in line at the 21st railroad stop when the train went through the other day and of course it blew its horn that is extremely loud and now Harold I know you probably know more about this than I do but I've tried to stay on top of following up on what's going on with that train board and I know that the city has received four million dollars towards quiet zones and I know that there is a list in process right now that puts into effect when those quiet zones are going to possibly be placed um 17th and some of the ones downtown closer to Columbine Elementary are looking at this year next year they're looking at the rest of the downtown areas by the school schools and also 21st I'm just wondering if I were somebody that were looking at Aspen Meadows either the senior or the apartments over there and I happen to be looking at a time when the train went through and that horn was going because this morning at six o'clock it was almost constant from 17th to 66 is that a detriment and if it is can we let people know that something's going to be done about this within a year or two um yeah we can definitely let them know the timing on this um I'm trying to pull up the website so you we can see I can give that to you all but we'll provide you the information on the timing of the project but yeah we can let them know you know what's coming and how we're moving through the the quiet zone process via the grants if they have a question we can get that information to to Lisa on this what's interesting is and I'm and I'm going to talk more globally about what I'm hearing just generally in the housing market right now is um um based on the demand um we're we're actually not seeing that people are are having issues with that at least in terms of them coming into the marketplace um what we're just seeing the updates we're getting from the realtor community is it's people are still paying a lot of money to to buy houses adjacent to the railroad so in terms of market impact probably not seeing that but we can definitely let them know Kathy I just would add that um you know that's one of the factors that HUD considers when we put any kind of HUD funding into projects which both Asimeto's apartments and Asimeto's neighborhood had in it so there are um uh noise um mitigating measures that we did take in the development of those with high efficiency windows and um and it was far enough back from the that I know it doesn't seem like it but from HUD's perspective it was far enough back from the the tracks um to mitigate that Asimeto's apartments um more so than Asimeto's neighborhood but there there have been some noise mitigating factors that have been taken um into consideration in the design of both of those um buildings as well to um help um mitigate those the noises all baby and in terms of the length of the train yeah that's that's a different issue and um we've been having conversations with them in terms of public safety responses and things like that but um it's the railroad but yeah hopefully we're done in two years which is better than we thought better place than we thought we were going to be a you know a year ago and so with the grant money we've had coming in we're actually I'm excited to get started on all this work yes jean yeah um if I may uh go back to item four a when we were talking about um um concerns for the city council retreat uh herald I think in March you did a presentation to the lha board where you envisioned lha housing authority being um a leader uh something that other housing authorities would want to emulate and I would like to see your vision next month on how how you perceive that and what needs to be done to accomplish that because we do need to we do have some um requirements um which you know Kathy and Karen and I you know we have some absolute requirements but then um we should have some room to become the kind of housing authority that we want to be and I would like to have your input on that at the next board meeting okay and just you know to answer that question so I'm going to be so I'm going to come into kind of the background of what um for my training to the politics administration dichotomy as well yeah and and so it really is the the the council that sits the policy with you all advising them and and so at least coming into this conversation I'm going to really want to hear from you all in terms of what you want to see and it may make it may make more sense to do it this way we hear from you all as an advisory board and then as the council in the retreat and you with you all joining them and then I'm able to take that feedback from what you all want to see to then say this is then how we move to that next step so if we could flip the order on it that makes more sense than what we're doing because I don't want to set policy in this I want to hear what you all want to see and do and then I want to formulate what I think what we think we need to do to to be at that next level based on your and the city your advice to the council housing authority board and their decision and where they want to go from a policy perspective and and we can and we can set that out and it isn't something that needs to be done tomorrow you know we're looking at at three five years right we could achieve yeah okay I I have no problem with that okay and I think we can help set the agenda next week to kind of get you at some of those points with best practices and things like that too good good yeah so if everybody could come ready for may to really just discuss what we see in the next three to five years in terms of the Longmont housing authority what we would like to see so then then we could give that to the city and then we'll talk about that during the the city council retreat with the Longmont housing housing authority advisory board at any other comments questions I did forget one thing we are going to be moving offices in the very near future so we bring them in to the civic center with us so we bring staff we've been talking to them about this we'll obviously have the agreement with bcp for the facility we think it's important and that you've heard me say this and we had a conversation yesterday in terms of segregation of duties all of these things but then more importantly just continuing to integrate the housing authority staff into the culture of the organization and kind of how we operate and how we work if we just we need to get that moved on because a it's really hard on Karen and Kathy and Tracy and Kendra and everybody else who are back and forth but more importantly I think the sooner we can bring them into the fold with us we can more quickly continue this culture shift that we've really been working on and I say that because if you would have asked me last May would we be in April going into May talking about two development projects potentially a third and and just where we were setting as an organization I think I would have laughed we they have done everyone has done a phenomenal job in terms of moving through this process and doing what we need to do and and to just be able to have this conversation today about Christman element development in the future we're probably six to nine months ahead of what where I thought we were going to be in doing this and and so they've been doing a lot of work a lot of phenomenal work but we just need to take these next steps it's all exciting these like new projects love it uh any other anything else otherwise do I hear a motion to adjourn you're going to adjourn have a second second from uh Parlene so uh next meeting is scheduled for May 18th uh I'll see you guys all then I have a wonderful day uh shoveling your snow


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