Yeah I was too. When you talk on field is it partly to get under a guy's skin, get him off his game or is it just the way you're built? It's a little bit of everything. It is the way I'm built, but some is to get guys off their game and then it's also to bring others up. When you see a little lack of physical and practice and stuff like that, I'm the type of guy to get them up. What about guys maybe the most? Is it on a tenth day of camp or is it maybe in a fourth quarter of the game? When do you think it's most effective? I think it's the first from the first snap. If I see something that I think the other guy doesn't see, then I'm going to talk to him and tell him, okay this is what I see and this is what I will use as far as a move or whatever the case may be. Yeah, that's it. What do you guys have been chatting most about out there? Just him as a rush. He's a speed rusher, a dip guy. He dips the corner a lot. So I know if we're too high in speed rushers, then nine times out of ten a quarterback will be able to step up. So just talk about, okay if he's going to go high, then maybe I can come low. Just to create almost like a flush almost or something like that or depending on the play whatever play it is. If I have to drop, what kind of drop is this? What's the best way you see me dropping? Because he's been dropping all his career so he knows a lot about the dropping and everything like that. You lost your running mate, it's a little bit out there today. How tough is it to kind of keep emotions in check I guess when you're going up against guys, banging up against them every day in the heat of the battle? Is that it again? I said you lost your running mate. Jeopardy I guess a little bit. Yeah. How tough is it to kind of keep your emotions in check and I know how much of Ray will stress that? We got to, it's next man up always but then also just continue, I got to be more energetic. I got to add some more, since Jeff wasn't out there I got to be more energetic, more vocal. Just stepping up because he wasn't there. So it's always the next guy up because during the season, God forbid I might get hurt so we have to play those things and it was good to kind of get that practice in today. That's just me. That's just me. I think it's an Atlanta thing, Atlanta Georgia thing because I don't know any quiet person from Atlanta. I think that's just in our nature and that's what we were born to do. Raves and change. Talking to several of the players just the last couple days at the end, so many of them have brought you up for your ability on the field and also being a vocal leader. Do you have an idea of the impact you've made here? Yeah, I mean this year I kind of, well it was last year, last year I kind of stepped into a role of being a leader. Years before that I wasn't ready to be a leader. A lot of guys gravitate towards me. That's always been me throughout life. A lot of guys gravitate towards me but I feel like I'm ready and mature enough to step into that leader role and I have stepped into it. What's the first player you're playing? Yeah. Chicken homie? No, Chicken homie was a double team with Chick and I forgot the other tight end that was in but it was a double team there. The second guy peeled off. I mean it wasn't my play to make but if all would be great I got to make those plays. He's getting better. Every day he's working on it. He knows there's something in his game that he needs to work on. He can come out every day whether it's early in practice or after practice working the footsteps to control the blocker or sustain that blocker. Definitely, I feel like I'm taking the most of my opportunity since I've been here. Just learning to play book, learning from Jeff, learning from Danico, learning from Harold. This is a lot of great guys here that you can learn from. Even Kevin Byrd from dropping, learning how many yards I need to drop, where to drop, where's my leverage and everything. So I feel like I'm taking a huge jump in the opportunity that I'm having. What do you think people will see from you this season compared to the previous years? I think I'm more just a pass versus because previously I only played third down. And then the time that I was coming in, playing first and second down, I mean I played good. I think people around the league know what I can do. It's just now having the opportunity to go out, start and be able to play 800 snaps a year. I just kept my head down and just keep working. I mean I'm a fighter. That's just naturally me. And when I see talent all across the field, all across the NFL and I know and believe that I'm a part of those talented guys. And I can match up well with those talented guys. So it's the fighter in me and I'm not going to stop until I retire. Craig and Shane both talk about not coaching the result. But as results oriented business, you obviously determined to get results by getting to the quarterback. How do you not think about the result? How do you kind of square that? Every day. Take it day by day. Every day I pick something in my game, whether it's a pass, whether it's steps, whether it's something to work on every day. Every day and at the end of the year, that's where you'll find out the results. But every day is a working day. Do you relish the result when you get it? Yeah, of course you enjoy it. But for me it's the process because in my whole career it's always been about the process. Like it was a process to get here. It was a process to get on third down. It was a process to get in the NFL. I just felt like early on in my career I didn't respect the process. I just went off talent, no work. And now that I know you have to put in the work to get the results, it's the process. You got to trust the process. What is that thing about the morning? It's shock you. I really got it from Trent Williams out in San Fran. He used to do it and he used to tell me that it just wake your body up. It's shock the neurologic system or whatever system that is. It shocks it and it wakes you up and it gets you ready for practice. So I've been doing that every day since I've been in San Fran and up to this point. You talked about the Braves emphasizes setting the edge. How much has that been part of your workload being a guy you can set the edge? I can set the edge. It's nothing to set the edge. It's just what my role was. My role was a third down pass. I come in sometimes first and second down to set the edge. But setting the edge, I've always been able to set the edge. It's just now I'm able to showcase that more often now rather than just being on third down and going to get the quarterback. Did you practice deep? Deep natured body? Dominated the offensive body? I say it was balanced. I say it was balanced. The offense got out there a little bit early on. Energy was down. Energy was a little lack of basical.  But I feel like it was a little balanced practice today. Talk to me about nutrition, physical. I remember watching you back in San Francisco. I remember the bottom of your stomach was rolling over your head. Now we're going to have two years from now. You look kind of chiseled out. Talk to me. How did you take care of your body? What was your process like? The process just, it was off season. Off season work. I train with Mark Hart, engineering greatness. It's Instagram. And we train hard. It's one of the hardest trainers I've ever been with. And we always running. We run heels. We do a lot of running. And I think that's why my body is the way it is now. I used to be fat. When I was just saying friend, I was 280. I was fat. Thank y'all. I feel like he's going pretty good. Taking it day by day each day. Coming out here. Putting it on the field and then coming back and getting the corrections and the details underway. And just making sure I ain't making the same mistakes when I come out tomorrow. Just paying out tremendously. I'm able to stay out on the field more. Do a lot of things that I wasn't able to do. And have fun. Honestly, not think about breathing. You've got to catch many balls from Glevis. Say it again. Have you got to catch many passes from Glevis and what's your impression of him? I've caught a couple from him. But I mean, he's a great quarterback. Just got to keep getting better and better like everybody else. And you know, time will tell. And just let God take his course on it. It's alive. It seems like to earn Ryan's trust. But it seems like you're well on your way. Can you talk about that? How that relationship's grown? It just goes back to being here in the off season. Being with Ryan. Throwing with him every day. And it just makes him, you know, trust me more and more when he knows that he can throw the ball anywhere around me. And I'll go up and make the catch. Does it get to the point where it's really non-verbal communication between the two of you? It's like he can just kind of give you the nod or whatever and you know where to be?  And he expects me to be there. And I know I need to be there. So he's going to put the ball there and, you know, I'll be there to make the catch. A lot of times you guys, your confidence, you draw that few of the work that you put in.  Is that really one of the key sources? What you did, preparing for the season? Yeah.   What does call a day like today help maybe both sides of the football? It helps it out a lot.   You're not reading off a script.  This or that. Play. And it just gives you confidence to go out there. Hear the call from Ryan Malik, Will, and just go execute it. Talking to a number of your fellow wide receivers, they talk about DeAndre's presence here bringing out the best in you guys, but certainly you weren't giving your best before he got here. So is it just that a guy like him brings out another year or is it bringing out the best maybe off of the practice field in the world?   Is there a thing or two that you can think of, I don't want to get away with, but maybe that you learn from him? From him? Yeah, a lot of things. Just going out and having fun is the main thing.  Move on from the next play and, you know, just be sound on the football field. Don't think too much and just play football because it's not, don't overthink it. I would say don't overthink because it's just football at the end of the day and just go play football. The coaches talk a lot about not worrying about the results, not being focused on the results. Is that a difficult thing to do because it's a results-based business and ultimately at the end of the game, you want to have the catches, the touchdowns that contribute to the win?  But it just comes from, you know, just having a positive mindset, not being selfish. I don't really care about the results. I just want to win. That means give Derek the ball 150 times and we win the game. I'm fine with it. I just like winning and I think my fellow teammates like winning also. What's the difference in your mindset when you're thinking about process as opposed to getting the ball, I guess? What do you mean? When they're talking about not thinking about the result, what are you thinking about instead of personally? Going to win. I don't really think about the results. I'll just go out there and move on to the next play. What's Mary's life like when you're in training camp? It's real good. I would say it's been the same since last year. She knows that I've got to come to work, take care of the things so she'll be able to have whatever she wants and live a happy life. She understands that. She supports me, helps me study. That's the main thing when you have somebody that can help you study or help you be better at your job. It plays a big role. You're not in the hotel? No, 100%. Say it again. When did you get married? June 24th. Yes, sir. I don't know what she looks like. That played a big role. I couldn't help that one. We honestly don't really think about it. We just care about what's inside our house here. We take care of our business and he knows that. That's why he goes out here every day and puts his best foot forward and comes out and practices his hardest. What are your expectations for yourself? Not numbers wise, but what do you know how to yourself? Man, just to inspire people. Just show them that you can overcome anything and just have fun with anything that you do. Just have fun with it. Don't stress. Always keep God first.  Don't overthink anything. Bring your best every day because you never know if you'll be here tomorrow. You never know if you're going to be here when you get back in the locker room. You always make sure you go out and put your best foot forward and have fun with it. Thank you. Looks like Will was getting a little bit of a chance to run a little bit with the Tuesdays today. Is that part of the plan to start rotating a teeny bit? Absolutely. Just giving those guys opportunities and they've done that. I think we just have to continue to get both Malik and Will throws behind different lines and working with different backs and receivers and all that. I felt like there were some good things out there and there were some things that we just have to get cleaned up. But I thought it was competitive and got some things done. How much do you benefit from these call of days like today on both sides of the ball? We're hoping that the players benefit from it and we can teach from it and we can learn from it that these are going to be the things that come up in the game. Whether that's a penalty or a fumble or a sudden change, a third down conversion, a fourth down and then breaking the huddle and going fast and snapping the ball and all these things that are going to come up in the game plan throughout the week. There were things on the offense that held and the things that the defense had held. That's what's going to happen in the game. We think that there is a strong tendency for them to be in a certain coverage on a certain down and distance and maybe that changes or just being able to adjust as the game goes on. We'll seem to find a nice rhythm in that. That's a new exposure for him practice-wise in the call of day as opposed to... I do think that his demeanor has been pretty good as far as maybe some negative plays or things that have come up. I've seen him be able to process and just kind of transition to the next play and get into listening to Tim and what Tim has going on. I think that that has been pretty good. We'll just need to continue that and make sure that you're not too high and not too low. I would agree that he was able to transition and get the call and get in and out of the huddle. That's certainly a great start. What do you see now as he responded to coaching at the end of the day when he goes on the film with everybody and then comes out the next day and how does that process work? I think that they all have done that. That's what we ask him all to do. We've been able to create a schedule here with Training Camp that they have a large block of meetings and then go out and walk through the corrections from the day and then walk through what the installation is going to be for the next day. Whether that's Will or Ryan or Malik or any of the quarterbacks or hopefully any of our players that are able to take those corrections and then apply them to the next day. There's a touch down that I think either Malik or Ryan through or Will through yesterday safety kind of stayed on the front line down in the red zone and in our meeting and talking to the safeties and saying, hey, we're going to have to be able to get back and be able to help that corner on the back line because it was wide open yesterday. So today, same situation.  So they're making corrections and they're trying to adjust on their end as well. So make sure that we're just reading it out. So those are going to be good teaching moments here today.  Yeah, man. That's what running backs have to do. They're going in and they got to be able to protect and when we release them get open, catch the ball and they also have to not be able to fumble too. So we'll talk about that. Certainly disappeared. He was wide open, I think. I don't know. I didn't get to that play yet in the film, but you know, Roby was really progressing well in training camp last year and you know, brought him back. I think he's being able to play faster and know what's going on and understand route detail versus certain coverages. And it seems like he's able to play close to his time speed, which is what we're trying to get from everybody. Hold on guys. He had a follow up here. Did you see a difference this year maybe in the B that like a year after that, you know, the injury? Yeah, man. I think that, you know, it looks like he's feeling good and he's running well and he's moving good. And again, there's less indecisiveness from him and in his routes. How did you feel the offensive line handled the defensive lines pressure early today? I thought that we've had some better pockets with pads on.  I think that these guys have been able to try to, again, try to build some depth in the middle or the quarterback and step up and try to get some width to the edge rushers. Not that it was perfect, but I would say that it's improved from my vantage point. And again, I try to stand back there and that's the one thing that I can kind of feel like I'm like maybe I wouldn't want to be a quarterback on this play or hey, there's some comfort level and, you know, so again, they're working together. They're seeing the games. They're seeing building profiles on rushers. This guy likes to rush this way. This guy, you know, likes to do certain moves. So that's all part of the progression, I think. When there's a lot of turnover, do you expect that or leave? I would say that that's probably going to be the way that it is, you know, I don't know what everybody else is doing, but just my experience early on in camp, just because they haven't had that work in the offseason. You know, we don't have spring practice. We don't have padded spring practices. We don't rush live in the offseason. So we're trying to develop players to probably do one of the toughest skills that we would ask any player out there on the field to do at any position is past protect an elite athlete without the reps of an offseason other than punching a bag or a stationary target. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, that's a little quicker than what we practiced in April and May. So we'll just keep progressing and trying to get those guys to work together as a unit. How's Chig coming along as a blocker? Well, I mean, I think the biggest thing for Chig is going to continue to be his hand placement. You know, I don't think we're going to make him any bigger. He's not going to be a 260-pound player, but you know, I think we have to just continue to focus on his hands and making sure that they're inside, that they're strong and they're powerful. You know, first play today just, you know, not going to be able to sustain against Arden or any player with your hands outside. You just don't have enough power. He's willing. I just think that the technique has to improve. You're talking about the Derrick run on the outside? The first one. Has Humber given you what you expected from a veteran coming in? Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, he showed up here 30 minutes later. He was practicing and was able to function. I think he's gotten better each and every day. So I enjoy his attitude. I enjoy his willingness to hop in there and his professionalism. You talked about cheek size. You've got a group of tight ends who've got some size to them. I imagine there's design behind that for you guys. Well, again, we're just looking for functionality and the guys that can have the ability to try to sustain at the line of scrimmage, whether that's in the pass game or the run game. You know, you've got to find ways to neutralize some of these defensive ends and these edge players in our league. They're elite players for a reason. They're long. They're explosive. They're instinctive. And so hopefully we can find some guys at the end of the line of scrimmage that can help block those guys or at least stalemate them in a run game and when we play pass it that we can hold up. One time, one play where you call the horse collar and make a toning right after it. One spesh. How what's the balance of what the guys play hard, you know, make a play but also not control the line? Yeah, I mean we want them to go to the line. We want them to look over it, take a peek and stop.  It's taunting in the point in the finger that, you know, is just going to end up being a penalty. It's right in front of everybody. When you first start talking to new guys here about not focusing on results, is that difficult to break through with some who are thinking, well, I got here because of my results. I want to make touchdown catches. I want to get sacks. Is there an early disconnect for some guy? I don't think that there is. I mean, this is a result in production business and when I coach sometimes, maybe I've misled you a little bit. And it's like, you know, we want to be able to go and make plays and understand where they need to be with regards to the team as well. You know, there's a play that's relying on everybody's job and everybody's responsibility. And if you stray too far from that, you know, then I think that that's a problem.  Like, we're sending four guys from one side. Like, we're going to need you on this one. This is a non-negotiable. Like, you're going to have to contain. So, you know, I think we try to do a good job of walking and having that balance of, you know, being a football player and making plays and helping the team, but also not being a detriment. Coach, is there anything from when you became the head coach here to now that you kind of look back and change maybe a little, or do you feel like you've been steady-eddy on the way that you do things from camp or that stuff? I think we're always trying to change things and change things daily. Like, we have a schedule for Thursday and based on what the health of the team is or what we need on that particular day, that may change. I think I've tried to always stay flexible and be able to adjust and adapt to things that come up. I think that the overriding themes are similar, but we've changed practice schedules and the way we do things each and every year. Like, obviously, you've got two young quarterbacks that you want to get as many reps as possible, but you also have the new offense with a lot of new pieces in terms of starters. So balancing in practice, getting as many reps to those guys to prepare for this season and not focus on the future? None of us are focused on the future outside of today and what we're going to do. So we've tried to just balance the reps out, and the guys right now that are working with the ones probably have more reps. And then I would say that the next two groups are probably somewhat balanced. Tried to do that today, tried to plan out what I thought the reps were going to be, Kayla, and they maybe were a little more or less. You have to have a plan, and then if it doesn't work, be willing to adjust it. So we tried to, when we say develop them, and we were talking about develop them for this year and how they can help us this year, not the future. Right away in the kicker competition, is it maybe more valuable to see what they can do in the preseason game situations where they may have to make a 50 yarder late in a game to put you ahead rather than what goes on out here? Well, I think that would always override it, but we could only manufacture so many of those things and I'll try to do my best to manufacture those. We're also going to try to run plays that help us score touchdowns. But ideally, yes, I would hope that any game experience that we could use to evaluate everybody would be beneficial. How many of those we're going to get? I think remains to be seen. I think Alize is going to be willing to take as many reps as he needs to take to try to earn a role in this team. And if he tells me, Coach, I need a rest, then we'll give him a rest, but I don't anticipate that being the case. That player you were talking about was shooting to his hands. Did he hold on that play? No, I felt like just on the first glance, I felt like he let go when Arden broke the framework of his body and tried to give him a shove is what we coached to do. I think, again, I looked at it with a critical eye and I didn't see restriction at the point of attack. But again, I'm not an official. I just try to look and see what they call. I felt like he did let go and he did try to give him a shove and then we'll see if that guy in that case, Arden, can tackle Derek. So I think it could have been better. I thought that it was smart not to grab him and tug him, and it was smart to give him a shove at the end like we teach. So started off not so well and probably could have finished OK. How much of these practices do you get through before you come back out to talk to us? How much of the practice? Well, I mean, when we have guests here, I try to sign autographs and so maybe I get through, I don't know, some of the open field tackling or 15, 20 plays. But I try to sign autographs and then go in there and then when Robbie texts, I come running. Tim, on the competition on the offensive line, now that you've got the pads on, how much of a difference does that make in trying to gauge what guys' strengths and weaknesses are? Yeah, I think it makes a tremendous difference. Obviously, when you put the pads on, you get to feel and you get to see how physical these guys can be. You get to see, you get a clearer picture of them being able to work in combination with one another in both the run game and the pass game. So up front, for those guys putting the pads on, it's really the true litmus test form for where they've been in terms of the past and now the strides that they made throughout the offseason and yesterday, they really had their first chance of being able to go out there and show it and they did a good job yesterday. How happy were you when you heard of John here who was coming here and what was the process like and trying to, what has it been like trying to get him up to speed with what he was doing here? Yeah, I mean, he's done a great job. He's come in, you know, learning the formations, learning how we do things, learning some of the different concepts, you know, that he may not have had while we were together in Houston, but he's done a great job in the meetings, taking notes, doing everything that he needs to do to make sure that he's learning the offense as a whole in its entirety and really not just memorizing his particular job on that one particular play. So he's done a great job of coming in here and getting caught up to speed and Rob's done a great job getting him ready to go. What skill set does he make? Yeah, I think, you know, he's a guy who's played at a very high level for consistently, you know, since he's been in the league. He's got a great catch radius. He's a very physical player.   So I think it's good for everyone to kind of see how he goes and how he plays the game, and it's been good so far, yeah. How's Levis's consistency been day-to-day and how do you see him tracking? Yeah, they've all three of those guys have put together a good camp so far. I know it's early, you know, it's yesterday being the first day in pads and, you know, going into practice six, I think. But he's done a good job taking the strides and being more comfortable playing quarterback four. So, but again, it's not just Will. It's all three of those guys have come in this camp and have really done a good job, you know, being consistent and really taking charge and leading that huddle. How exciting is it for you? It's kind of elevating the rest of the guys in that pursuit.  Obviously with him out here, you see some of the catches that he's made already and one-on-ones in the back shoulders and things along those lines, and then you look over and you see trailing run-and-by guys and you see there's a sense of competition in that room in terms of wanting to make sure they're not there and winning consistently. And really, that's what we need them to do. That's their job, right, is to be able to go out there, get open, win versus man-to-man coverage and catch a football. And so, when you have a guy that, again, that's done at a high level, everyone wants to be able to play up to that standard. Back to Levis. How exciting is it for you when you start to see the light come on for him because yesterday he was making the throws before the receivers came out of their breaks and it was hitting them right in stride. Yeah, I mean, yesterday was good. But again, it's one day. And we want to continue to see him do that again today. Same deal with Malik, same deal with Ryan.  Now, the big thing for him and for everybody is to make sure that we're taking another step forward today. On those second-year skill guys, how much more comfortable do they look just at not being their rookie year and kind of understanding the pace that you guys go through practice and things like that? Yeah, I mean, there's a... I know we've talked about this before and really at every position, there's a learning curve coming from college and playing in the NFL from what it takes, what it means to be in shape to be able to make it through an NFL practice from what it means to actually learn the playbook and know what your job is and things along those lines. So all those guys from Malik to Kyle to Traylin to Chig, they've all done a good job. Obviously, learning the lessons from last year and coming out and performing pretty well for us so far. What are the things that Malik gets for you? Yeah, there are definitely times where you see more anticipatory throws. He's not waiting for somebody to be open, which in this day, when you're doing that, a lot of times, I don't care how strong your arm is, you're going to be late. So again, that was an area that we asked him to improve on and throughout the first six or however many practices we've had, he's done a good job of coming out and making those strides. Can we talk about the sticks of the fact that Derek Canary has been a footballer? Yeah, it'd be foolish of me to not play to our strengths, and obviously having Derek here. We've got to make sure that we're putting him in the best spot to be able to continue to have the high level of success that he's had throughout his career. So that's something that we're working on as a staff, and that's something that we're not going to forget, is understanding who we are and kind of what the backbone is of our identity. We're still in the days where 30 carry weeks for him are going to happen. I mean, if it means that's what we need to do to win the game. That's going to be the biggest thing for us on offense is making sure that we're doing whatever it takes to be able to go and win that game based upon the vision of Coach Vrable and making sure that we're doing whatever we have to do to win. And Mike has talked about the emphasis of playing faster and moving in a little quicker pace. How does that impact the offensive line in that setup? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that it does. Obviously, I mean, it forces them to, they've got to make sure that they're in shape and have a high level of conditioning. But when you're able to do some things, whether it's changing tempos or get in and out of the huddle faster, whatever it may be, that could cause a certain level of discomfort on the other side of the ball.  So there's a lot of things that go into it. But again, I can't stress enough, those guys have done a good job of, again, learning what the expectation is, learning the new concepts, the new schemes. And again, the big thing for them is to come out and have another good day with the pads on today. What you're seeing from your guys up front so far, what's most important for you? Yeah, you know, being consistent. Obviously, being able to protect the quarterback and make sure that we're doing a good job getting movement in the run game. So, you know, those things will never change when we're looking at our offense alignment and kind of what we ask for them and what we expect for them. And obviously that goes along with playing hard and being able to set the tone and bring the energy and bring the physicality that we're going to need. So about some of the situational stuff, what a high percentage of plays happen in the red zone but on third down stuff, how much do you emphasize that to the guys, the specifics of that? Yeah, I mean each play is its own situation. And so it's really important for our guys to be able to understand like hey, it might have been first and 10 or second and five but now it's third and one and what does that mean and how does that change things? And the deeper that we get in the camp, the more situations we're going to be exposed to and the more they're going to have to be able to adjust on the fly. So whether that means hey, we're going from a two-minute situation to a four-minute situation or we were backed up and we had a shot, now we're in the red area, like it changes like that. We need to make sure that they understand what it means when we're in those situations and what to expect not only from us in terms of the play calls but what to expect from the defense. What's the biggest challenge in regards to safety and continuity when that happens? Yeah, it's not just a work that they're doing on the field. You know what I mean? It's a unique room and it's like that in every building. You've got a lot of guys coming from different backgrounds but really they all have the same goal and that's to protect the guy who has the football. And so Haas, Sully, Jonesy, they do a great job cultivating that culture in there and you can see the continuity carry over from what's been developed in the meeting room to when they get out on the grass. So that's something that they're going to continue to work on and again, they've had one day in pads and they get another shot today to be able to build on it. Do you have an ideal number in mind of how many guys you want or is it just keep the guys who are in it? Yeah, I mean keep the guys who are in it.  There's going to be competition everywhere at every position and so our guys are aware of that and we're honest with them and we tell them the truth and the guys that earn those spots are going to be the ones that are here. What do you kind of experiment with them and see how much you can handle? Yeah, he's done a good job just learning his role and understanding what he needs to do and that's what we're going to ask for him. You know, as he continues to master those things we'll continue to put more stuff on him and so far Taj has done a really good job. Thank you guys. Sean Murphy Bonning kind of acclimated himself as the newcomer and the secondary with the other guys. How's he blending in? Yeah, I think it's been good. I do. I think he's come in here ready to work. He's gotten to know the guys, kind of how we operate. I think all those guys right now are in the process of building relationships. You know, developing trust among each other. I think he communicates. He's got a good personality about him. I think the guys relate to him really well. So it's been good. Obviously a guy who's been a leg done in a little while, he kind of knows what it looks like. But up to this point everything's been good. Yeah, really good. Would it know that he had missed time for an ACL? And for me, really, I kind of expected that with him. Just without how he works, how he trains, how he pushes himself in the off season. I knew he was doing that with rehab. Haven't missed a beat. See all the things I saw from him prior to the injury. So really optimistic about where he's at right now and where he's going to go. Have you noticed anything different mentally and physically or even that he's been working since? Have you noticed that? I think he came back ready to go. I think this is probably the best shape he's been here. Been in since he's been here. Looks stronger. Looks more physical. Looks in condition. I think the addition of Hopkins is huge for him too. Just the competition aspect of it. Again, it's always been for Christian. And we tell him this is the consistency. Playing and play out. And to have that competition playing and play out here in practice, it requires a high level of focus to be able to go out and execute and do what we're asking him to do and ultimately end up winning your 1-1 versus a guy like that. So hopefully that continues with him. He's off to a great start right now. It's a big year for him. He knows that. We know that. So hopefully it continues. As Gibbons and Rice kind of go back and forth in that spot next to his ease, what will determine who maybe gets more snaps there? Yeah, I think as that thing plays out, it's going to come down to production. A lot of it's production-based. It's a production business who's producing, who's the best in that role with all the intangible aspects as well. The communication, the alignments, all that type of stuff that comes into play at that position. It's a leadership position on that side of the ball, on our side of the ball. Just being able to communicate, understanding our scheme, the techniques, all those things we're asking him to do, and ultimately that stuff is what we believe is going to lead to that production. So we'll see as it plays out. Yeah, I've been pleased with it. I really have coming in. I think that third force safety spot was one of those things that we were unsure of. I think at this point, I just done a good job. He's handled it. I think Mike Brown's done a really good job. I think he's progressing, improving. You see improvement day in and day out with him. I think Chey Carter's done a really good job, and then those rookies flash at times. So I've been pleased with that corner. I'd set it in the spring as a competitive position. From front to back, there's competition. It'll be interesting as we get into these games and these guys have to go out there and do it. How some of these rookies stack up against some of these guys that have been here, like Trey Avery, Chris Jackson, some of them. We'll see. I think that's going to be a process here over the next month. Is it increasingly more safety than corner?  He's a nickel only force at the corner position. So I think that's something as we kind of go through this fall and we kind of see where Rodge is at, how Rodge is handling things as we go. Ultimately, our jobs would get the best 11 on the field. So we've got to kind of evaluate that throughout these next few weeks. See where we're at. They're going to get reps. Rodge is going to get reps outside. Elijah's been getting reps inside at Nickelsum. He's getting plenty of reps at safety because that's kind of the new thing for him. So in terms of his development, I think that's important. So we'll kind of see where it plays out. Personality seems to be on all the time. Yeah, I mean, it's fun to coach guys like that. Guys with energy, guys that bring other guys with them. I've said it before, like the great ones want to be coached. The guys with great energy, great enthusiasm, like those are the guys that you feel like you can go to and coach at all times, right? The ones that are standoffish, quiet to themselves, mopey at times.  So we embrace that. We encourage that as much as we can. And when he's in the meeting room, you see the energy, you see all that stuff. It doesn't go away, right? But there is a level of focus and intention with what we're trying to get accomplished when we're in the meeting room as well. At least for the defensive line this year? Absolutely. I think a strip sack is better in sack always. 24 of the top 26 fumblers in the NFL are quarterbacks. We've got to find ways to affect the game. And the front has a way they can do it. The back end has a way they can do it. And up front it is putting pressure on them and seeing if we can get the ball off them, right? And back end plays a role, too. They've got to give them to hold it. They've got to be in tight coverage, all the things that come into play. But those are opportunities we can't miss. We've missed too many over the years where we've had opportunities to attack the football instead of just going for the sack at times. And we've got to make sure we're making an emphasis that the ball is the issue. The sacks will come, and we need to make sure we're attacking the football. So are some of the young people on the line that it's kind of, how much of a difference to show what they're about with the pads? Yeah, it's a great opportunity for those guys. I think Peevee has taken advantage of it. His development through the spring, coming in this first week of camp has been tremendous. Something's got to continue. Like, we need him to be a good player, to develop into a good player for us. I think the drop in weight has been incredibly important for him and his production, his ability to move. Naikwan, I think, getting healthy, right, was a big focus for him and getting back to what he was as a rookie, right? Like, he was a productive player for us as a rookie, getting back to that. And what we had that year and continue to progress there. And then we got Shelvin off the Bengals' P-Squad and it's the day-to-day, come to work. If you're out here, you can improve. And he's got some ability. So getting that out of him each day, we'll see with these rookies as we go, right? We'll see with these rookies as we go, just where they're at. Like, we had one day in pads and hopefully today is better than it was yesterday. The whole unit feeling really good about itself for playing really well against familiar people on your practice field. Or do you want them at this stage feeling really good about themselves? I mean, we are, as coaches, we never really coach results, right? Like, we coach the actions. We coach all the things that go into, like, the results are going to happen because we're doing the right things to get there, right? So, I mean, it's a fine line between confidence versus arrogance. I would agree with that. But at the same time, we're all here doing things the right way, executing with proper technique and fundamentals and finding success that way. Like, I'm all for it. I'm going to be the first one to celebrate it, right? I ain't going to celebrate if it's a bad throw, a tip pass, whatever might come of that. Like, that is what it is, you know what I'm saying? So, yes, it's a fine line. I think we got to be able to build that confidence, but we can't always rely on just us having success as an indication of how good we are. No doubt. I think we, when we go back in that meeting room, Paul, on every single play, every single player is getting coached. Does that make sense? So, like, as good as a play was, like, there's a lot to coach from and on every single play, practice, game, everything that comes into play. So, I feel like they need to be able to have that enthusiasm and gain that confidence. But at the same time, I don't want them to feel, by taking shortcuts or not playing with the technique, that crap's going to be able to sustain throughout the season. I want to chain back to Harold for a second.  Yeah, well, the first thing that probably is obvious to you guys is the speed, right? The speed element, he plays the game at a high level. I think that's the speed off the edge is only going to benefit those guys inside, the guy on the other side. I think one thing that's always been huge for me with him is he has been a huge effort production player. Like he plays harder than really anybody on our team. Him and Jeff are like the standard for what it takes for a front guy in terms of effort. So a lot of his productions, effort-based, been huge for us in the years, saved us a lot through the years. And then I think just his, obviously his versatility, right? Like we can ask him to do a lot of things just based on his skill set. And he's smart enough. He's got a great football IQ where he can handle all those things. The other day, how much does that help the guys in the middle if they're able to be impacted? Yeah, I think it's huge. Like you face these offenses and they're going to find ways to double certain guys or find ways to chip or whatever that might be. And again, the more guys in protection, the less guys are getting out, should ultimately help our coverage do some things with that. But just the rush, focus in general, you get the speed off the edge. You get the guys working together, running different games, different stunts in there. I think it's got a huge impact. Like they're not going to be able, as we keep progressing, they're not going to be able to say, hey, we got this one handled. Let's focus on these three. Let's focus on these two, right? Like they got to be able to account for everybody. All right, I'll go to Sam. Yeah, it's been really good. Now, obviously in the off-season, we did a really good job competing against one another. We gave them a few things each to work on during that five weeks off. And we think they've kind of picked up and actually even gotten any better since they've gotten here. So we'll let this competition roll out as long as it needs to. But we're excited about both of them. Who are you guys looking at for a quick return?  This is obviously a big period for us as far as putting on pads. It kind of looks good in shorts running around, doing their thing, catching balls. But kickoff returner, we'll put Tajé back there, Hassan, Julius Chestnut.  And then punt returner, obviously Kyle Phillips, Mason Kinsey. We got some guys back there that we feel pretty good about. And it was good to have both those guys with Mason and Kyle going back there and competing against each other. So we'll see how it all plans out during training camp. No, he's actually done a really good job. It was big in the summer just to get away from things. And I know one of his big things was he was going to go out there and catch punts all the time out in the summer. So he's came back with a good level of confidence. And we'll continue to put more pressure on him during practice and then give him opportunities in the preseason to see what he can do. Yeah, because a lot of people just say, well, he made dismounted kicks and he should win the job. We're looking at a bunch of different things. Leg strength, we're looking at how accurate the ball is, how straight it is. Because when you hit a straight ball, depending on wind and things like that, we want a guy who can hit a straight ball so the wind doesn't play too much of a factor in it. So there are different levels than other just making, hey, I made 90% to 88%. So we look at all those different things. Tom Quinn's done a great job with those guys right now and he'll continue to evaluate those guys as long as myself.  What has he evolved, how has he evolved taking that jump heading into year two? Yeah, I mean there's things that he can always improve on and one of the things that we were talking with him was his hang time. It's not always hitting the ball 70, 75 yards, which looks pretty by the way, but we also need some hang time. So he's really tried to focus in on that and depending on where we're at on the field, it could be a ball that goes 70 yards, but he's got to know the situation that we're in where we could want a ball that's 50 yards with over five second hang time. So he's really honed in on that and he'll continue to improve because the best part about Ryan is he's never satisfied. Whether it's his holding, whether it's his punting and he'll continue to work on that and I'm excited for him this year. Yeah, I mean, again, it's big right now with the pads on because this is where it's going to separate some guys. Not just in the shorts where they're running around, especially at the gunner position where everyone can run as fast as they possibly can and make plays, but now since we've got pads on, they're going to go against two guys and it's going to be a physical battle between those guys and guys who have never done it before in college now get an opportunity to do it in a professional game. So this is a big week for evaluations with those guys with pads on. We're looking for physicality. Those guys who can take two guys on at a time with their hands, with different techniques and fundamentals. So we'll continue to put them in those positions this week and next week before our first preseason game. How difficult is it to coach upon issues, catching the ball, worry about like receiving a football when they're not getting hit, when there's not guys coming at them at real speed? Yeah, we try to simulate as much game experience as we possibly can. Obviously, we can't just have a guy go down there and run and try to hit them during practice because we don't want guys to get hurt before they can showcase their skills and games, but we're going to try to put them in the most difficult situation whether we're having three or four guys around them, whether we end up putting our hands, doing a bunch of different things on them before they can catch the ball. There's different situations and things that we can do to help those guys out. Is there any kind of a deadline for the two young kickers to say like, okay, this isn't going to work. We need to go find them. Yeah, I don't think there's a deadline at all. We'll continue to have them compete each and every day. And once one of them maybe goes ahead of the other one, then we'll decide on that. But there's no timeline right now with that. Is there anything old Wolf when he got here about what you like about him and how deep you've done in that regard? Yeah, obviously we like Trey's leg strength coming out of Texas Tech. And we're really trying to continue to work with him on angles. I know one of the biggest things was his backswing. We're also working on Ryan Stonehouse holding the ball a little bit different from what Caleb can do because we can manipulate his ball strike a little bit of kicking a straighter ball with even the hold. So we worked with him, Trey, on that and we've also worked with Stoney because, you know, kickers, there's different ways they like things and we just continue to work with Trey on trying to kick a straighter ball and the holding parts part of that too. How do you for Jen and he's got a giant leg. Let's see if we can make it more accurate or how does that work? Yeah, I mean that's one of the biggest things that we look for is leg strength. And then what we can do is make minor adjustments on accuracy, you know, especially younger guys that are coming in through college. They might not be as accurate obviously as the professional game is. So we'll look at leg strength and then we'll try to tweak them as much as we possibly can but not going away from what got them here. You know, we don't want to tweak too much where they don't have any confidence in their leg swing.  Is there any way besides just seeing it in the game and having to see it for yourself that you can know whether a guy's got the make up to nail a 55 yard or 10 of the game to win one? Yeah, really no. Because you just got to get them out there and see what they can do. Now you can talk to them, you know, try to get in what's in their mind when they think about kicking a, you know, a big time 55 yard field goal at the end of the game to win a game. If you're trying to kick it, you know, you really don't know. You'll sit in meetings for time to time and what do you tell maybe the guys coming in and officers that know Tim from his days here? What do you tell them about the impact he makes?  But yeah, we go over with those young players the importance of Tim Shaw for this organization and what he's meant to us. But, you know, the one big thing that I tell our players is Tim Shaw one year went to the Chicago Bears and played in 15 games and he had 30 tackles, which is unheard of right now. So that gives Tim a lot of credibility and little street cred that the younger players realize, you know, 30 tackles and a season on special teams was pretty important. And he just gave Monty Rice a big dissertation about his punt sets and how he punches. So he means a lot. And he's, you know, it's another eye out there, a guy who's done it for a very long time at a very high level. So we're so glad that Tim's around and is able to, you know, really communicate with the players and let them know what he sees. Yeah, thank you.


As mentioned before, our four words here all are similar in using the B and T sounds at the end. So we know that those phonemes will be used in spelling each one of those words phonetically. Now what we're left to do is assign a phoneme for our vowel sounds. So if we analyze the word, it's EH as in bet. We look at our chart, we see the phoneme which corresponds to that EH sound and that happens to be the standard E that we all recognize. Here, bet phonetically looks very similar to bet in the Roman script. Now let's take a look at EH, bit. Now we look at our chart and we see that this symbol represents the EH sound and that resembles a capital I, not a lowercase I but a capital I and so we've arrived at bit. Now with but, we have to find the EH sound and that corresponds to this symbol here as in cut but we simply put it into but and now we've got but. Finally, we have bought and we have to find the phoneme for the AH sound and we look here in our pure vowels and we see that this symbol here is used in pot and that's a very similar sound in fact the same sound as in bought. So we know that we use this phoneme here to arrive at bought. Now we can take a look at the word photo. Here we have and we need to find a phoneme for the oh, fo, oh. We can look on our chart and locate this symbol for the oh sound and again we have toe, fo, toe, the only difference being the T for the F and we've arrived at photo for phonemes there. Now we have taxi, we have T as in the first sound, then we have AH and we have to locate the vowel and now we have the AH symbol. The X here actually has two phonemes the K and S. So we look at the K and S phonemes and the last phoneme there E as in the long I sound, taxi. Now we have unite as mentioned previously there's a slight Y sound at the beginning so we begin it with our Y phoneme and then we continue on U as in U, UN, N, N phoneme and then I, we have our vowel I, I as in by and our final T sound, unite.


Second by Councillor Chang, any discussion? All those who are driven, most should please say aye. All right, any post? If she carries unanimously, we have an attempt. I know you have 2.01, but we'll press the poll, we've just started. We are in public forum. And I see there's nobody on the first Friday, the people on the normal forum so we'll go to Chair Buescher who is Sharon, can you hear us? Yes, can you hear me?  Right, the sound is a little bit garbled tonight. It's not as clear as it normally is. I just wanted to let you know. I'm not quite sure why. But I'm calling not to speak to something specific on your agenda, but something that I just wanted to call to the Board of Finance attention and to the Mayor's attention. It's very laudable with your very aggressive housing agenda. But as I am a political junkie and go to a lot of, zoom into a lot of meetings, I am seeing the housing agenda unfold, which is great. But I want to understand who in the city is looking at the balance between commercial retail and housing. So that my fear is that in our desire to house people and create affordable housing, we will tip the scale so that the residential part of the city will bear the burden of the property tax. I'm worried about how this will play out with the sales tax, with less real estate, not real estate, retail. And I'm worried about even the impact on rooms and meals tax. And I don't know whether you have been monitoring this. I assume you have. I assume Rich has and Catherine have. But I would feel really good as a resident to know that someone is looking at this and feels like we're maintaining the balance that we need so that we don't become a bedroom town for Williston or South Burlington or other surrounding communities. So thank you so much for listening to my concerns. And I hope you have a good meeting. Great, thank you Sharon. Appreciate you Connan. And I would say we now have a business and workforce development department that certainly watches additional capacity, addition to CIO and other capacity for monitoring our business taxes. And I would say the news there, I think that is generally good. And I don't really see these two, but how's this really being in conflict with each other? Complimentary a lot of ways, but maybe more conversation on that another time. If there's no other people online, which does not appear there, we will close the public forum and move to the consent agenda, which is really just a minute. It's number 19.2. Welcome to motion. Here on the consent agenda. Look at this one, so. Okay, so thank you President Powell. Second by Councillor McKee, discussion. All those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. So that's adopted. This brings us to 4.01, which is the first four air court items. Welcome, Nick. Item number one is request accepted. Thoroughly introduced an industry grant for the environmental renovation project and execute the contract for the construction of a building. Construction. Can you just do a quick summary for the public on what it said? Following the progress of the airport. Sure, absolutely. So after we opened up our new building, the terminal integration project, we're not able to switch our focus to renovating the North Concourse area because TSA is now vacating from that particular site. So that old security checkpoint, which has actually been vacated as we speak right now, will be completely renovated. The glass is removed. The escalator systems in the middle of the concourse will be removed before it's built in. This allows additional seating of additional capacity at the gate specifically area, which is one of our most highly utilized and largest aircraft gate position. This is also going to add a few automated features to the airport, including shifting our exit lane, growing a little bit larger footprint for our concessionaires, both Skinny Pancake and Hudson News, and adding automatic exit lanes to both sides of the concourse. This is just over a $1.9 million project, again funded through the FAA. We have not received the grant yet, but we're expecting it very shortly so we can move forward with the proper recommendations. Right away. Thank you, Nick. The floor is on question. This is my motion. My motion has indicated number one. Thank you, Councillor Chang. Is there a second? Second by Councillor Cuny. Discussion. Seeing none, we'll go to vote. All those in favor, motion to please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. That brings us to a 4.02 request to accept the Beverly East Administration grant for the SAP paper and TWT extension project and XC contracts for construction with engineers construction Inc. and construction inspection services of Coil, Tannin, Associates, budget neutral, and then fiscal year FY23 report budget. Quick summary of this, Nick. Sure, this is a relatively simple, as it pertains to, again, extending the taxiway called Taxiway Goal further to the south. This is closest to the Wilson Road properties in expanding and adding additional general aviation ramp spaces, a pretty substantial ramp area that's heated on that south border. This is over a $5 million project. You can see some of the numbers in the motion close to the $7 million mark in which the FAA is providing an additional grant to us, which we're not expecting. This is a congressional redirected spending bill from last year to build this particular ramp space. This does attach to and will be adjacent to the new beta manufacturing site, but it will be open to all general aviation aircraft and operations as no federally funded apron space can be exclusively used to any civil entity. All right, and that's it. That's about it. Great. Have the board like to proceed now. Motion on their questions. We'll take the actual motion. Thank you, sir. Second, screen the council game, discussion, screen the mayor will vote. Others favor the motion, please say aye. Aye. There goes motion carries unanimously. That brings us to airport number three, which is my excellent request to execute in contract with the structure of McFarland-Johnson Inc. for the setting preliminary design and permitting of the Burlington Technical Center. So this is a step forward with the important part of it. High school, BTC replacement plan. Anything else you want to add about the second? That's essentially what it is right now as part of the scope of work is just to help the school district identify and incite the proper locations for their new facilities for not just the aviation technical program, but all of the other programs that potentially fit in there as long as it's conforming to some of the FAA regulations, which we have really great options out there right now. The only thing that I would add is there is just shy of $700,000 in the airport cash account that came from a prior year mark, just about a decade ago. That is reserved specifically with this project so we can help this school district right away even before and as they get some of their documentation in place, including that $10 million earmark that we've heard about. This allows us to not just cite it, but hopefully start something design work. That's what, that's what the next step is. Super excited to get this place done for there. Thanks. Thank you. I have a more like generous questions. Documenting all the supports, the cities, well, and the school districts about the process. Documenting, it's available to any requests, maybe please. It's a good point, Kester-Jane, we should make sure it's all collected in one place. This $678,000, getting the kids just for work. This was from an earmark through NASA in the fiscal year's 12 and 13, I believe. It is cash, it is in the cash account of the airport. And it must be used for high school level education. Kind of curious why we had this number one. It's funny. Say it again. It's a good share of the bank. It's a good share of the bank. Thanks. It's a large amount of money, but not a big deal. And it is. So during those previous years, 12 and 13, there were initial concepts and designs that were doing the aviation technical center building. The grant or the earmark at that time was only for this particular, or this is when it's left of the particular, not nearly enough to build a 25,000 square foot facility. So over that decade period of time, there was no additional funding to move this project forward. So outside of my time there has been, there were decisions made to hold that cash reserve account or whatever, whatever next steps we come forward at, which now is the time to actually build the building up the street. And thankfully, so this, I think will give us a head start on not just the siting of the building, but at least with the design of the apartment, into the site. There were some minor restrictions associated with that, that particular cash, and it did flow through different entities, including the school district and eventually back to the city and to the airport. And those restrictions really had to do at high school to ensure that the motion can break in. I'm happy to make the motion as you recommended. If I can answer Jen, for the discussion. So I'm a little bit of a vote on this. I'm fair in the motion. If they say, I, I have those motion carries unanimously. Finally, I'm for the end of the agenda. We go 4.04, request to execute a contract for construction of the Tegens Engineering Group, Inc. for the design of Permian North Concourse Replacement Project and budget neutral member for this year in the 2023 budget. So again, this is another Congressional Directive spending possibility. This is still going through legislation at the federal level with the help of the mayor's office and the mayor and of course, Senator Lay, we are on a very good track to receive this $35 million, most likely early next year. To receive the grant funding, we need to be ahead of the meeting. We need to make sure that when the FAA is, is acceptable of the design work and any element that goes into this public space of the new replacement of the terminal building. And to do that, we need to start something from the design work. This year mark is $35 million for this new facility. So moving forward with a relatively small amount to get the design moving forward of that million dollars, which is faced in the project. The full contract is not right now $4 million until we are confident that this is going through legislation. This allows us to make sure that we're not behind on an applying for the grant by the time comes right away. This is a project that is most likely going to happen over the next few years, not right away. And we're just hitting off our design work and our scope in that overall concept of this particular building. The building itself, the initial concept is to remove the fortunately existing North Conference, which is our highest capacity and least square footage that we have, which is the American Airlines and that's single United Airlines case. So it's three, four, five, and six. This will remove that small narrow hallway down there that way and replace it with a new terminal building extending to the new water floor towards the air traffic control room, allowing for a much needed capacity space for that particular airline and for others. Again, super preliminary, just kicking it off and this will allow us to make sure that we meet all of the FAA's expectations. Thank you. What is up? What's up, Paul? Thank you. I'll be in motion to move to the next slide. Thank you. Seconded by Councillor Chang for their discussion. Seeing none, we'll go to the vote. All those in favor of motion, please say aye. Aye. Very opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Leave. Thank you. Thank you. Google. 4.805 needs an authorization to update contracts to Yellwood where does he shelter community? Welcome back, Senator. Thank you. Do a quick summary of what we're doing here. Yeah, I just need to increase the maximum limiting amount on one of the site contractors, contractors who had to deal with underground storage tank. That costs money. Hopefully, we're hoping to get a lot of reimbursed from the petroleum cleanup fund but what is not the reverse will come out of the conditions. So just an authorization to increase that maximum limiting amount on this company. And people should walk right out. Shelters are there. What's the option? Yeah, it's my setting. People have been by recently this morning. Surface. There's 25 shelters. 25 shelters will be a communication only account. As I'm already going to have a volunteer to offer opportunities and community is being invited to talk about something that's going to last all week. And it's been there. And we're like to proceed. We're ready for a motion. So let's go ahead. So I was just wondering why how we don't let go better than you may expect on that side. Just a varied like a desktop review study because the majority were not doing a lot of work underground on the site. So we just did it like in terms of a phase of environmental review. We just did a desktop review that didn't reveal anything. It was an unknown story as honestly phase one had found it anyway. And it was our last trench that we were digging. So we hadn't done a false study. I mean, I just went to the memo but I discovered a tank on the side. It seems that it's not. Oh yeah, sorry. It was underground. So when they were putting in the last connection from the water line to where the bath house is going to be it's about four, six feet underground. They said fuel tank, a fuel oil tank that used to be a residential tank that was buried underground for a very long time. So it had been leaking underground before. Can you tell us a little bit about the petrol oil fund? I get the petroleum cleanup fund as a state fund. So the state has money that I'm not sure exactly where it came from, but it's got to put into place in the late 80s specifically to make sure that when people find underground search tanks that they do something about it and don't just like put more dirt over it because, you know, which obviously we wouldn't do but some people do. So this is money available when you find one of these tanks to clean, it's really for removing all of the dirty soil and all the testing that goes in to make sure you've gotten it all out. So it's state funds to make sure they're taken care of. There's lots of underground oil tanks in the state of Vermont. I mean, in terms of also safety I just don't want anybody to basically turn back here to see, you know, communications. Because if you don't do that, the problem will start. Yeah, and yeah, that's not an issue. And in terms of safety going forward it will now be monitored by the State Department of Environmental Conservation of safety. The asphalt is a very good cap, literally in figure, you know, there's a term that makes sure that nothing is coming out. And actually when you couldn't really smell the oil when they were actually removing that soil but all that dirty soil is gone now and the tank is gone, there's a clean soil and then the asphalt. So no safety issues. I'll be back to you. Thank you very much. Thank you. That's your chance. I would like to speak to you for the discussion. Seeing none, we'll go to a vote. All those appear remotely, say aye. Aye. Both. Motion carries. Yes. Thank you. 4.06, this is a great street, main street design contract, and I'm going to vote 5. You're to be welcomed. Hello. Okay, this after 20. Yep. I also know we have Director Spencer with those two boards who have our resources here with us tonight for this item. She knows that Olivia. Good to be here. Good to tell us. Yep. So we are coming to the board finance tonight as we're seeking to enter into. Hi, our primary consultant BHP. This amendment will account for some additional work to the contract, mainly the rubene sewer component, which is approved, was approved for by the voters for under the ticked on funding in March and needs to happen as part of this project. If we want to see any future development in the area, particularly on one of the super blocks at the corner of South Windy Ski and main street. So the goal of this project is to bend in that portion of the rubene sewer and I'm actually going to let Seabroy talk about that a little bit. That is one component of the amendment. The other component is contingency, additional design contingency, as well as some of the soils work that needed to be in the perking study, which is being advanced in coordination with this work as well to address some of the concerns from mainly the business community. So the city has also assigned that work to BHP to assess the perking utilization around the downtown area, the turnover, and address if there are any future facilities needed to accommodate any current or future development in the area. So, Steve, I'll let you have it to talk about the rubene sewer a little bit. Sure, thanks, Laura, is actually here for a different project. The rubene sewer, as those of you may or may not know, is a 130 plus year old sewer that there used to be a huge ravine that cut across diagonally across the city from Pearl Street all the way to the lake down near where the wastewater plant, main wastewater plant is. 130 years ago, they had put in, the city had put in all kinds of different pipe materials and buried that ravine sewer in order to build on it. And certainly, it's held up quite well, but obviously everything has a lifespan. And at some point, the ravine sewer, it's very deep. And at some point, we really need to deal with it because at some point, there's gonna be a real issue and it's not gonna be good, it's gonna be catastrophic. So, we had worked with VHB and the Dewframe Group who's a civil site engineer to look at a whole bunch of options. The number, one of the options that's been selected to carry forward in design is to actually grab the ravine sewer just behind fire station one, where it's relatively shallow, run a new pipe due south to Main Street. And since Main Street's under design as part of the Great Streets Project, run a brand new pipe heading west on Main Street, turn down church and connect all the flows that are still in the ravine sewer back into a six foot diameter pipe that's on Maple Street that heads down to the wastewater plant. So that will effectively take the majority of flow from the upstream areas and from what's coming down Main Street all the way up at UVM and intercept all that flow, take that load off of the ravine sewer and redirect it back down to Maple Street where it's going now. So it takes the ravine sewer and puts it back in the road and just narrowly have a lot more control over it, a lot less risk if there's concerns within the future. To speak to the budget, this is inside of the school year 23's allocation that we already had to the project. So it's not an increase to budget. It's really just an optimization to add this work to a contract. Okay, good. Thank you for that. The review, the floor is open for questions or questions. The answer is the question is about the DPW commission. I think we'll give it an update. Next time, please. Yeah, the DPW commission doesn't have, to my knowledge, authority over the wastewater ravine. They mostly oversee the parking and traffic regulations. So the commission hasn't seen the ravine sewers alternative yet. The internal siting that Steve mentioned has been mostly internal. And so with this contract and this work, we can then start putting the public outreach together that we've done for the rest of Main Street. Even with the help, though it's just one of the example and you're still presenting. Yes, and we tentatively will be going in front of them in November to start talking about the parking study that is underway. Sorry, sorry for the question. Trust me. I will be very, very, very, second-of-a-way and personal follow-up. For discussion, see number of vote. All of the favor of motion to say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. It's the recognition of the council session. I'm going to add two. I mean, it's following items. By point, one is request for approval to execute a contract for underwater the construction inspection, cleaning and repair services. That was it. And Steve was reporting. Steve, do you want to give us a quick summary of that? Sure, thank you, Mr. Mayor. We have water intake pipe out in the lake. We have wastewater outfall pipe in the lake. We also have a number of crossings of the Nuske River for sewer that goes from the New North End to the North wastewater plant at the very end of North Avenue. Historically, we've had it inspected by a local diver and a friend that would go through and take a look at all these pipes for us. But we've come to a realization that both these gentlemen are fairly old now, first of all and second of all, there is a liability, right? Having it done by a couple of local divers. So we put together an RP for commercial divers to give us a price to do the work. We ended up getting three proposals back. The local one is MNK diving. And if you looked at the information there, you could see they're a whole lot less expensive than the other two commercial diving companies that are from out of state. MNK is in North Claren and Ramon just south of Rutland. So, and we've done work with them and we've vetted them out, we asked for clients and we've checked them all out. So our request here is to authorize the director to sign an agreement with MNK diving to actually do inspections for a whole number of years all the way through 2026, I believe. And then for that fixed amount that they gave us and then we were asking for additional funds because we, in case that there ends up being work involved with some of these inspections. The board likes to proceed in the right direction and use our second Kester Ghee. Any further discussion, questions? Seeing none, we'll go to a vote. All those are very much to say aye. All right, any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Thanks so much. Sorry, one second. One second Steve. What was that Kester Ghee? So based on also what we just hear the DPW commission doesn't see what she was down and I was just wondering what is the CD board or commission? So we're going to be expecting some of these items that are suited to bring these items to them for a particular expense. Yeah, it's an interesting question, Kester Ghee. Chief, and are you able to speak to what degree? Can you just expand on what role the commission plays in the serious issues? Sure. We did get former attorney Bergman back in 2012 to outline the responsibilities of the commission. Some of the responsibilities which are detailed in charter and ordinance do have some oversight in water and wastewater utilities. There are some financial requirements that we approach the commission. Overall, our engagement of the commission on water and wastewater issues like around the clean water resiliency plan was done out of our effort to engage and get their input not out of an ordinance requirement. If there are specific sewerage issues that Councillor Jang or others are looking for us to address or having oversight, happy to discuss bringing that whether required or not to the commission. I am assuming that it's just the employee who's a consultant, or it's Steve. Steve is part of the city team. One of our longest serving water resources employees. 25 years, Steve. I'm in my 34th year. I'm in my 34th year. He's our secret weapon and we're going to keep him for another 34 years. Okay. Thank you, Councillor Jang. We've got the final item tonight. Thank you, Steve and Kevin. Sorry to be off my nine years there, Steve. I lost track of my security. Certificate signing the tally there. Thank you guys for being here tonight. 5.02 is a contract with Mod State Police for police details, police presence in downtown. Chief Murad is zooming in as well. And Chief, maybe you could do just I guess I'll say a couple of words on this just to kick things off, but you cannot do it the disroys. As the council's aware, we've had reviews. We've had a partnership with the state police on several occasions over the recent months where they have provided officers in the downtown following last, I think it's two weeks ago now, the shooting incident, the fire incident and seeing all park. I asked the chief to look into work with the state police on further expanding those patrols for at least a 30 day period of time. And the chief made that request to Colonel Birmingham and it was accepted by the state and now had this new details have begun. Chief, can you add any more detail about just how these details are working? Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. They are being taken voluntarily by the VSP. These are voluntary details. The request to the Colonel was for high visibility, violence prevention patrols and the understanding is that they would not be answering E911 calls for service. They would be conducting high visibility, violence deterrence patrols in Burlington's downtown. And at the end of the 30 days, they would, we would assess whether or not further patrols are needed and or possible or feasible. The Vermont state police is experiencing its own staffing challenges. And therefore the idea of having this continue indefinitely is not necessarily in the cards. This is a one month contract for the time being, the amount that you see is predicated on attendance that has already not been achieved. So we're already below that amount as a maximum in that we've had, I believe, a total of four troopers who have deployed on these details. I'd have to confirm that for sure, but we certainly haven't had the nominal ability to have had, let's see, it would have been four times four. So we have not had that number. These shifts are divided into four hour blocks and they are, they're given us very specific area in which they are to give foot patrol with minimal vehicle patrol. That area is essentially the bricks of the marketplace and city hall park and city hall park is understood to be the focus. Thank you. Four is open for questions. What would be the paying mechanism to the state? Is it by do or run movement procedure or just execute the contract and pay for it and if people are available to come, they're available, if they're not, they're not. Go ahead. Sure. We're only going to pay for the services they use. That is correct. We get billed and we are paying both for the hours they work and for the travel time they incur. And so it is, I'm pulling it up right now. I apologize for not having had it ready immediately. It is understood that they will bill us for those and we will pay it. And I do confirm how many people are coming in and coming out. We're going to pay for the services they use. We're going to pay for the services they use. We give them radios. So they have to report here at one North Avenue. They take one of our encrypted radios. In order to do the footpost and then they return it. We have an idea of them being out there. We want to know that they are there. Again, they are, they take that radio not because they're going to answer radio calls for service, but because they need to have a radio for safety in order to call assistance. And so what we're going to do is, Hey, we just had a larceny at, at honey road. Will you go handle that trooper presumably a trooper on the corner is going to address that and maybe be called in, but it's probably then going to call a Burlington police officer to actually handle that because that's not in their mandate. But obviously if honey, if somebody from honey road leans out the door and says, there's a person in here throwing dishes or that person just ran out of the car, they're going to take action. What they're not going to do is be deployed from the corner of church in Maine, where we know them to be up to, I don't know, to Halverson's where there is a dispute. A Burlington police officer is going to go do that. Will they be using like state vehicles and also dressing down with the state uniforms or. They will be in, they have been in, they have been in the state of Vermont state troopers have take home cars. And that is part of their travel time is that they are, is, is in a, they are in a trooper vehicle. So in some ways Burlington is not only supplementing downtown, we're also nominally supplementing their travel time because they're, they are enforcing during that time. So if a trooper lives in St. John's in St. Johnsbury and drives here from there and catches a couple speeders on the way over Burlington is paying for those traffic jams. But they come in a green and gold trooper car. They are wearing their green and gold trooper uniforms and they are under the command of troopers. They are, they remain employees of the Vermont state police. They remain indemnified by the Vermont state police. This is a something they do with other municipalities. It is what we would all call a paid detail in the policing profession. We do it as well in Burlington. So for example, if a hobby Zedek is having a, you know, if they want a police officer present for the Holy days, they will pay the Burlington police officers association money. That money, the bulk of it goes to the officer, a very small portion of it goes to the BPOA and a small portion goes to Burlington because we own the equipment they are wearing, the uniform they are wearing, the vehicle in which they arrive, but the officer gets that money as part of a paid detail. And that is a similar function that we have here. Thanks for making this helpful. Thank you, Councillor. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Any other questions here before I go to Councillor Berman. Councillor McGee. Thank you. Can you, the four troopers that have accepted shifts so far. Can you describe how it's been one per. So if we had four, four days that this contract has been utilized so far. That is correct. The shifts are these Wednesdays and Thursdays. There is a four hour block from 4pm to 8pm and from 8pm to midnight. On Friday and Saturday, there are four hour blocks from 8pm to midnight and from midnight to 4am. I believe only the earlier shifts have thus far been accepted, although I don't know that for sure. I'm also, I can't marry myself to exactly four. I believe there have been four troopers that have come through. I did not get that precise information yet. That's partly part of the billing process. But they, they have come in and to my knowledge, they have been solo officers on post each time. Initially we had talked about not allowing it to happen unless they came in pairs. But that we dispensed with that. And, you know, you could have as many as four per four hour shift, but we have not achieved that. Sure. And do you get any sort of advanced notice from the state police? I understand it said there's a portal that they're allowed to accept shifts through, but you wouldn't get a notice at a time. No, I don't. I mean, I got an advanced notice on the very first day because we were, we were actually working the contract through as, as a trooper was driving to us. So we were, you know, we were, we were working the contract through. We were working the contract through. We were working the contract through. I knew that a trooper was coming at that time. But on a daily basis, I don't get it. I do know, for example, I hear on the radio that dispatch tells the supervisor, there's a trooper in the lobby looking for a radio. So I hear that come over if I happen to hear it, but I don't, I don't get a specific detail list of it until I get the bill. But I do, I have, but I supervisors know that they come in with those. So I'm not a burden to a certain person who's in the city, but, I'm just, I'm not a burden to a certain person. Just knowing that somebody's down at the corner. Okay. And does that? Change the deployment plan depending on who shows up for a particular chef. It doesn't. It doesn't affect our deployment at all. This is entirely augmentation to our deployments. Thank you. Yeah. Council member. Thank you. making this initiative. I appreciate this is something that I thought I should have been done when we started it a while ago. So that's the first thing. I don't have a vote tonight in the finance board, but if I had a vote, I would vote in favor of this. I also would like to hear more, not necessarily tonight, about collaboration with the UVM police department and there's a way to augment. And I know that there have been some conversations, but I think that the partnerships that you've been talking about in building are critically important. And they go with an all of the above approach that includes getting at the source of much of our disorder, be it mental health or drug addiction or poverty reduction. So I wanna take the opportunity to thank the mayor for your comprehensive statement or newsletter or whatever you call it on public safety. I look forward to part two. And I think that people need to hear that. I was the last point I wanted to make, I was actually surprised that the commission, according to co-chair Saguino was not informed of this. I take that from the digger article on that. And so without going backwards, because that doesn't do us any good. I just want to say that I truly believe that this collaboration should be discussed with the commission. It should be used, that should be a vetting process. Lessons should be learned with that. And particularly if we're gonna be evaluating it in a month, this is totally appropriate. It's appropriate to see how the different locales or jurisdictions deal. We've got different policies and procedures. We've got our own directives. They have their own. So this is important as we try to grapple with transformation and transformation and civilian oversight for this to be a piece of that and not separate and apart. So I want to encourage you to bring this and have the conversations about the operational details and their relations with the policies and procedures more fully with them. And I think that is it. So I can say, I'm sorry, with regard to your question about UVM, just not to dive into it too deeply, UVM is very short staffed right now as well. They certainly do help when we have incidents. We had a UVM officer who was doing the crime scene log at our most recent murder scene. We had a UVM officer who assisted two UVM officers who assisted at our officer involved shooting in August. UVM officers who have responded to the incident in which a former city council person was struck at Roosevelt Park. UVM officers do respond as mutual aid, rather mutual aid regularly when we have those kinds of incidents. I am opening this same detail. I'm gonna be informing. Normally we have a Chittenden County law enforcement executives meeting on Thursdays. This one has been postponed. It was scheduled for this coming Thursday. It's been postponed, but I am sending around to the participants an offer to have this same deal expanded to them. I don't know whether or not we will get much in the way of participation, but we're looking for that kind of additional assistance, basically the same model as the BSP. So that is one thing that we're working on. Thank you. UVM used to do patrols in the Green Street area as part of the Neighborhood Action Project before the mayor was elected when I was still a young assistant, a city attorney. They are still allowed. They are eligible to sign up for our Hill Section details. We have not had any signups for that detail in about two years. UVM, because it's understaffed and officers because they feel, frankly, that the university was quick to not want them around in the summer of 2020 and then suddenly wanted them again and they just don't sign up for it. Okay. Well, persistence will pay off, I'm sure. It's posted down there. The sheets are there for them to take. Okay. Thank you. And I truly do think that the collaboration with the commission is essential. So I appreciate Councilor Jang's conversations regarding that and DPW and it's sort of in the same light. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Berger. It's a pleasure to be here. Front Councillor Neill. I'll follow up. Echo, Councilor Bergman's comments about involving the police commission and also to just ask that if any other area agencies do accept an offer to post additional shifts But we're made aware of that just so we know what other law enforcement agencies could potentially be operating in the city. I think. Yes, any question I have bears sort of what the command structure looks like and who are each of these officers. Still, under the command of the agency that they came from or did they answer to brilliant so they're taking this until ships troopers troopers working under the parameters of this contract will coordinate their patrols with the Burlington Police Department while maintaining Vermont State Police chain of command. And that's going to be the same. Roughly the same agreement that goes out to other local agencies. Yes, no agency would place its people under some other entities command. Thank you. Thank you. I don't have a question I appreciate the comments that all of me appreciate the comments that Council member this made. I think I just would just comment on the fact that I think it is absolutely essentially important that we approve this, and it will send a message not only to our constituents for the community is a whole that we hear them. And we understand that they are on a stronger presence than we are currently able to give them the number of officers we have to provide. I also hope that this sends a message to others that, you know, Burlington welcomes that presence. You know, accountability is incredibly important. Good officers are also important and hopefully maybe even I hate to say they will maybe leave and snag a few of them. But, you know, whether we do or we don't, this I think is a is a good step forward so I hope that this will receive our strong support. Thank you President Paul appreciate the strong support there and agrees. Thank you very much for the opportunity for first take action by the public very much as many. And serve. I don't believe that. I'm happy to make the motion as recommended more jobs. Thank you for some policy to my counselor Jang. I know the comments regarding the commission as well. I do think the sort of general. I think that's why I'm here for the administration to be working with the commission on policing issues is one that we. I agree with and that's why I meet with that commission uniquely every month, and we are trying to do that. I do think that there are operational details that are appropriate or pragmatic to be able to to fully involve the commission on the one for example, this is something to try to move from beyond and situation with the city can move beyond the circumstances he said I also have some concern was that I just didn't respond to it in a moment, but I guess I sort of come up again I will make a point here. I don't play every with the idea that was mentioned by previously that we should expand the commission role to be reviewing all job descriptions, something that has not been a commission that we've very clearly had that not part of this commission or other commission reviews. I think that's something that's been asked something that's been held that's been handled through through the administration and the council like the commission's wing and at the strategic level. You know, if we are going to look to revisit certain policies that's certainly a discussion that will keep having so I just want to note that I've heard it don't fully agree with it all but I do agree with the you know I don't want my silence to be that I fully agree with all that but we can certainly keep talking about this issue. With that, very further discussion on contract. Seeing no vote all those a favorite motion please say aye. Opposed motion carries unanimously. Did that. There's no objection or finance is adjourned at 6.05pm.