Hi friends, welcome back to my channel and welcome if you're new here. My name is Jen, I'm a certified weight loss and nutrition coach and I'm on the WWW Blue Plan. It's Wednesday, so I have another what I eat in a day. Diesel and Lola, advent calendars, bathroom update, Christmas card haul, lots of fun exciting things to share with you today. Also, I have all of my food throughout the day and a fantastic and I mean fantastic dinner recipe. So if you're excited for today's video, give it a big huge thumbs up. It means a lot to me and really really helps out my channel. And if you're not yet subscribed, take a moment and subscribe. I'd love to have you join my community here on YouTube. It's a pretty fun place to be. Make sure you're checking out that description box down below for my 2021 self care, healthy lifestyle fitness calendar that was released yesterday. I will also link the video in the description box talking all about the calendar, but you can order it on my nutrition coaching website. So head on over and check it out. And while you're there, go ahead and sign up for personalized macro and calorie calculation, as well as 30 minute and 60 minute coaching sessions. I'd love to help you make 2021 super, super successful. You'll also find links and discount codes to some of the products I shared with you today as well as my favorite things. And last but not least my Facebook group, another great supportive, awesome community to join. And we'd love to have you over there as well. So without further ado, let's jump into what I eat today on WW.  This is actually from my imperfect foods box. If you guys have imperfect foods in your area, highly recommend great produce, great products, less expensive by about 30% than the grocery store. And the company itself is designed to help prevent food waste by having us purchase the items that would be thrown away at a steep discount. So definitely check them out. I'll link them down below with $10 worth of free groceries for you. I went ahead and cooked up one full egg and two egg whites. And then I really wanted a bagel this morning. So I popped a Western bagel, blueberry bagel into my toaster here. These are only three smart points per bagel for an entire bagel, 120 calories, low fat, low carb, no artificial sweeteners. The blueberry is actually one of my very, very favorites. And then I topped it with two tablespoons of one third less fat cream cheese. So everything I'm having for breakfast is zero points, except for my bagel with cream cheese, which is a total of five smart points. So I will also link Western bagel down below. I do have 10% off and they do free shipping over $25. So you can pick up some great bagels for only three smart points for a full bagel. The key is make sure you get the ones that say alternative. Those are the ones that are only three points. Some of them are two. Some of them are three. The little mini bagels are one point, but as long as they say alternative, you're good to go. So this is breakfast for five smart points. First thing in the morning, I have stripped the bed to do some laundry with our remodel of our bathroom. Our house is a disaster and our bedding just gets really dirty. Not to mention him and Lola lay on it all the time. But I've been getting a lot of questions from you guys about the Souterra pillow that I showed you in a previous vlog. A lot of you bought this pillow and are loving it, and I wanted to give you an update on what we think about it. And if we're using it, if we're still liking it, and then of course I'll link it down below. I know that it's a little late for Christmas, but it's just a great kind of self care item to give yourself moving into the new year. So the answer is yes, it's in my stack of pillows. All the pillowcases are in the washer, but we are loving this. I use this every single night. It has this indentation here for your head. I was waking up a lot in the morning with headaches. I was having neck pain. This is completely and eliminated that for me. So if you're someone that wakes up with a stiff neck in the morning, this little divot in this pillow is genius. It takes all of the neck ache and headaches out in the morning. And then I often sleep on my stomach. So what I'll do is my head goes here and then these indents in the arms, like I showed you guys, we actually put our arm in and sleep like that, which is much better than sleeping on your arms and waking up with your arms falling asleep. So it's just taken a lot of the aches and pains out. We are absolutely loving it. It's affordable. I highly, highly recommend this pillow. And again, I'm going to link it down in the description box for you guys. Get this for yourself, your husband, your kids, as a little self care again, moving into the new year. I'm going to have a little morning snack. You saw me pull this little built bite out of my advent calendar from Built Bar. This is two smart points. It is the peanut butter. What's great is it is small for two points when you can have a full bar for four, but it's a nice little easy treat with seven grams of protein, only two smart points. If you're not super hungry, you just want a little something. I really like the built bites for that. So I'm going to have that. And then I just poured myself a glass here of the GT's kombucha for one point. So this is my three point morning snack. I'm heading in to give you a bathroom update, but we'll stop real quick and say hi to her. Why you want your dog bed? Huh? And I'm in the process of watching all of our bedding, but somebody else is pretty cozy. Yeah, you're pretty cozy, but yeah, you sure are. Bathroom update you guys. It's coming along. We have the toilet put back in because the flooring is done. So that's our new flooring. Our shower looks much more finished from the last time that you saw it. Most of the tile is done. Not all of the grouting is done, but also here in the shower, the niches as well as the bench and all of the flooring is done and the furniture pieces are starting to make their way in. This is my makeup vanity, which I'm so excited about. I'm going to have my very own space to get ready. My makeup will be out of Troy's way. We put in this absolutely gorgeous kind of rusted metal light that I bought on Etsy. These light fixtures I purchased off of Etsy as well and they come with matching mirrors and the double vanity is in as well. We're just waiting for countertop. So it is coming along and of course Lola always comes in. She's so nosy. It's coming along. I can't believe how much bigger. Let me flip these on for you guys. How much bigger in general my bathroom looks without that big tub in the corner. It is 12.15 and I'm going to have some lunch. I'm actually pretty excited about this. I'm not super hungry, but this just sounded really good. So I have a Walmart bun. I just buy these, throw them in the freezer and then when I want a bun, I just take one out of the time to frost it and use it. That way they last a long time and I topped my bun with this, which is what's making this lunch. So exciting. This is all natural pulled pork with barbecue sauce. You can have a quarter of a cup for four points. That's what I have here. This actually came from my imperfect foods box. I love imperfect foods because they always have new and exciting things as well as up to 30% less than the grocery store. You help prevent food waste. So I got this out of imperfect foods and I am obsessed. So I'm going to look next time I order and buy another one. You can even freeze these. It's raised by US family farmers with sustainable and humane practices. No antibiotics or added hormones. It's amazing. Like it is so, so good you guys. So again, imperfect foods. I'll link them down below with $10 worth of free groceries. Then then I'm going to have this two good yogurt just as kind of a sweet treat, getting in an actual little bit of protein. And then I actually just filled my water for about the fourth time. So here's where I am. I'm down to about the 4pm, 3pm mark and it's only noon. So I'm doing really, really well on my water. I'll link this gallon water bottle down below. You guys always, always ask about it. So my lunch is two points for the bun, four points for the pulled pork and two points for the yogurt makes this an eight smart point lunch. Another update. I have not even shown you guys, but I mentioned that my Facebook group does a Christmas card exchange every year. You guys look at how many Christmas cards I have. And this was full over two weeks ago. And now I'm actually putting all of my extra cards, which is just piles and piles of them up here in this cute little basket. And then I end up filling up the one with my Jazzercise scarf as well. So if you're not part of my Facebook group, we do this every year. It's kind of a fun way to bring back Christmas cards because I don't know about you, but I miss the joy of opening my mailbox and finding Christmas cards. It is afternoon snack time and I'm feeling like some cottage cheese. So I have four points of the good culture cottage cheese, the one I always, always use, topped it with one point worth of croutons. I like to crush those up in the cottage cheese. It kind of gives it this savory flavor. It's so, so good. So this is a total of five smart points for my afternoon snack. Best filled up, my final water bottle, my gallon of water is gone. For tonight's dinner, I'm making a taco skillet. This is a 25 minute meal, easy, peasy, great for a busy weeknight or weekend. It's Sunday. I'm exhausted. I'm ready to go relax. So this is the perfect meal. Let me show you what's in dinner. You'll need salt, oil of your choice. I just have avocado oil, beans of your choice. The recipe calls for black beans. I'm using this tri-bean blend. I actually really like this one because it has black kidney and pinto. So it's a little bit of everything.  We'll keep the point really low on this recipe. Onion, tomato for topping, mission extra thin corn tortillas, taco seasoning and light shredded cheese. Now we will probably add sour cream to our meal as well, but let's make the taco skillet. First thing I'm going to do is dice my onion and my tomato. We'll set the tomato aside and the onion actually gets cooked in the skillet with the meat. In a large skillet, go ahead and add a tablespoon of oil. Warm it up. Add in your diced onion and we're going to let this cook until the onion starts to be translucent. We're going to add in the pound of 99% ground turkey. And then I'm actually adding my entire packet of taco seasoning. The recipe says two teaspoons. It may be more than that in the packet, but we really want it taco flavored. So I went ahead and added in the entire packet. Get that stirred up and allow the ground turkey to cook completely through. I added in my can of beans drained and rinsed. We're going to add in the entire can of diced green chilies and the entire can of diced tomatoes. And then we are going to stir this up, let this simmer, come to a boil and then simmer on the stove for about five minutes. Once it's simmered on the stove for five minutes, we're going to take eight of the mission extra thin corn tortillas and we're going to place those on top. It is okay if they overlap each other. Just go ahead and add all eight to the tortillas. We're going to add one cup of light shredded cheese. Go ahead and sprinkle it on top. You can then place a lid on to allow the cheese to melt. And then you guys, that's it. Dinner is just about ready. Go ahead and remove your pan from the heat with the lid on it. And we're going to let this stand for five to 10 minutes. That's really going to soften up the tortillas and melt the cheese. Are you ready? Doesn't this look incredible? So when we go to serve it up, I'll top it with the tomatoes, some sour cream. I'll be back to show you dinner, give you points and calories. So here is my dinner. So this is one sixth of the taco skillet. It is five smart points on blue and purple, eight points on green. Since I'm on the blue plan, it's five for me. I topped it with one tablespoon of light sour cream for two smart points. So my dinner is a total of seven smart points for dessert tonight. I'm going to have three points worth of these mini peppermint marines. I think that's six or seven pieces. I love these. They're so good. I thought I would round out my night with peppermint, my favorite thing ever during the holiday season. You can may still be able to get these at Trader Joe's, but these are one of my very, very favorites. Thank you for joining me on another What I Eat in a Day on WW. I hope you had fun coming along with me today. It was a fantastic day and you definitely, definitely want to make tonight's dinner recipe. It's incredible. That recipe is on my website, which is linked in the description box down below, along with my nutrition coaching website, where you can pick up that pretty awesome calendar, as well as schedule yourself a one on one coaching session or have me figure your macros and calories. You'll also find links and discount codes to the things we discussed today and my favorite things and my Facebook group. So lots of things going on down in that description box. So if you enjoyed today's video, please give it a thumbs up. It really means a lot to me. And of course, if you're not yet subscribed, help me hit my goal by the end of the year. Wear this close and subscribe and make sure you turn the bell on next to it. That way you're just notified whenever I upload. I wanted to take a moment, wish you guys a very merry Christmas. We're literally a day away from Christmas Eve. When you see this video, it's tomorrow. How crazy is that? So Merry Christmas, my beautiful friends. I love you so much. Happy Vlogmas and I'll see you tomorrow. I have a video, a fun video coming your way for Christmas Eve. Bye.


Hi there, I'm Sandy Allnock, artist and paper crafter here on YouTube and I'm going to do a little pencil accessories set review because this is a product that I have seen in Ellen's shop before and I thought I wonder what all that stuff is. Do I need that stuff? I don't know. Let me buy it and tell you whether or not you need that stuff because there is two different erasers in here. There's a little sharpener. There's this rubber eraser as well as the kneaded eraser. There's a marker. I'm guessing it's a marker for blending and this little thing on the right, I was like what is that? I want to know what that is and I want to know what these two pencils are that they have in here. So let's take a look at it all, right? Let's start with the sharpener and I'm actually very pleased with this little sharpener for a couple reasons that I'll share. When you use a handheld sharpener, you want to put your pencil in and don't turn the sharpener or your hand any more than necessary. Try to hold one or the other stable. If you want to turn the sharpener and hold the pencil still, that's great but if you start wiggling around a lot, you're going to break the lead. So be very careful with that. And this is from a brand new pencil so it's taking me a little time to get it sharpened but when it's all said and done, it's going to come out really beautifully sharp and you know how much I like a sharp pencil. I also like the size of this little sharpener because it's going to go well for travel which is going to be perfect because especially I am traveling really soon here and I want to take my pencils with me and this is great for having an airplane even. So just scoop that into the cup that the flight attendant brings you.  You can put a little short pencil in there and you can even use like a little tiny nub of a pencil and you're going to get all the use out of all that lead because now you've got an extender. Is that not the coolest thing ever? I'm going to use that a ton. So let's start coloring something. I'll just do this really quick because I want to show you the two blenders. You only saw one blender marker in there right? Well there's a blender pencil and I wanted to try out the blender pencil. So I grabbed three different colors. I want to try blending a yellow into a red into a darker red and I want to test both of the marker and the blending pencil to see how that works and we're going to try it. And this was actually my first test of doing it and you know you're going to see in real time or real life how this went. So I'm just kind of coloring along these and using a very light touch as I always do because if you start pressing really hard and getting really heavy coverage you often will end up with really waxy texture. So this is the blender pencil and I've never seen a blender pencil before and I thought let's try it and see. And I was surprised. Look at this. It actually works. It does carry along a little of the red with it so I can pick up a little of the red and move it into the yellow and it does a fairly nice job and that's from somebody who likes to the look of blending just with pencil. This leaves a little more of the texture that I like so I have a feeling I'll use this a little bit more and this is the blender marker that has two nibs.  Now this says it's an alcohol solution in here. I am guessing that could mean I've seen some people use their colorless blender with their prism colors but of course that wrecks your nib and but I'm guessing it's kind of the same solution in there most likely. I would not be surprised but with this one you're not going to wreck the nib because it seems to come off really well whereas it does not with a Copic blender marker. So I'm trying the fat nib and even though it's a little hard to get into those little spots it works really well too. So just so we can see what it looks like off the paper just colored a little bit from darker down to lighter and we'll try blending that with this marker and see how that goes and you see it's not 100% like super blended but I of course didn't work on it a lot but look how easy it is to just scribble that color off and the marker is back to working fine. I'm going to test it against the Spectre Noir Gamsol because that's another option for blending your colored pencil. Do the same thing grab a bunch of pencil put it on here I think I put more pencil on there than I did otherwise and with the Gamsol you dip the blending stump into the Gamsol and it tends to apparently change the color a little bit it's a little bit redder but a little bit yellower I should say orangey. The other pencil that's in the set is a drawing slash writing pencil and it draws nicely I can see that being good for a sketching pencil you can also use it for coloring as well and I wanted to compare it to this is not in the set but just what is their regular black Prismacolor pencil like and that's the difference between them you get more of that Prismacolor texture with the Prismacolor pencil with this they called an ebony drawing pencil you get a little less of that texture but the blending marker works with both of those smooshes that color right on out voila voila now with pencil you can also go over a couple layers of things so I decided to add some dark center to my flower and then use that little fine nib for making little kind of tendrils coming off of that blend that color in a little bit and again you can just scribble it right off and that is brand new again which is kind of nice so the other things that's in there is two erasers and this one is a brand new oh my gosh it feels so nice brand new kneaded eraser this is my old one from college actually it's probably a couple of them from college mushed together they will eventually turn gray like this and that's okay it still works if I've been using it for 20 years and it's no big deal but I want to show you how you can use the kneaded eraser for blending we'll use the other eraser too but the kneaded eraser if you want to try to get a color that's blending into white then start your blending by coloring lighter as it gets out to the lightest area and then go over it with your kneaded eraser and you can smoosh it into different shapes to try to target your erasers if you want a skinny eraser you can use just a little bit of it but I kind of get it flattened and then rub it along here and it starts to really lighten it nicely so you can get some really nice blends and that sort of thing I'm going to be using this set over on my bible journaling channel soon too by the way so if you want to see the elements in this kit in terms of bible journaling and some tips on pencil with bible journaling I think in another week or two it'll be over on that channel and I'll link you to that in the doobly do down below if you want to go subscribe because I put a video out there every sunday this is the other eraser which I don't use a ton those kind of rubber erasers but there you go that's probably for me the one I'll be using the least but this is my travel pack my little travel roll-up pencil case and all these little things fit into this little pocket how cool is that so I've got my little eraser the smaller one I've got the smaller pencil sharpener I've got my my other erasers my pencil extender all kinds of little things fit into this little teeny tiny pocket this marker is probably going to go in my drawer for when I do coloring things rather than taking it with me I'm guessing just because I'm going to use it more at home than I will on the road but this roll-up thing it has plastic on both sides which holds it really nicely and then it has this little band that goes around and will snap it closed which makes it really helpful it's great to tuck into a carry-on bag and take on an airplane with you and you can just do some drawing while you do now here's some sharpeners that are not in the kit I just wanted to show you the prismacolor other sharpener which now I don't have to carry with me because the other one fits into my little pack but it has two holes so you can sharpen two different size or or shaped color pencil points and technically you don't it doesn't matter which one you use they both are very sharp points and that's what matters some people like it longer some people like it stubbier I don't find it makes much of a difference whatsoever but it sharpens really nicely and all your shavings are caught into the little container there and you can empty it really easily that's the difference between the shape on those two on my desk I keep my giant quiet sharp and it's pricey but it's worth every penny of it this little drawer comes out so you can empty shavings it's got holes so you can use different size pencils that's how that slowed down it didn't keep eating the pencil it really does save you a lot of lead to have a good sharpener like this the one on the right is the one that was sharpened by that sharpener as I said I'm going to have a video soon on the bible journaling channel if you want to see a comparison between some crayola pencils and prismacolor in bible journaling as well as get some tips for that and using some of these elements from this prismacolor accessory set in your bible because there's some you can use some you can't use and that is about it for this video I hope you enjoyed it if you did click that like button supplies are listed in the doobly-doo below as well as over on my blog and that's it for today I hope you guys have a really great week and I'll see you next time take care bye bye


We'll talk about open source and that may confuse you because this is the Free Software Foundation Europe assembly, which is about free software, but it doesn't matter so much because, okay, let's go back to what these terms mean. Free software is usually defined by the four freedoms, and just from the Free Software Foundation Europe webpage, the freedom to use, study, share and improve the software, which is what we're used to, like for example with a Linux kernel, everyone can download it and use it, we can get the source code and analyze it and we can share it with others and we can change the source code. For open source, there's a 10-point definition I've not put on all the points because that would be a too long slide, but if you actually look at them, it says more or less the same, and I like to phrase it as free software and open source are basically the same thing, they're just different ways of looking at the same thing. And usually the idea here is that the term free software is used by people who want to emphasize user freedom, while open source is more from people who may focus on what kind of businesses you can build around it and kind of the technological aspects, but it's really we're talking about the same thing here. And everything that every license that qualifies as a free software license also qualifies as an open source license at 10-points first. And sometimes people use the terms for us like for free open source software or free Libre open source software, now we have a microphone here. Yeah, so I often like to use those because it's kind of inclusive you're saying like it's this one big thing, we're using different terms but it doesn't really matter. There are also like different kinds of free open source software, some licenses have this idea of copy left which says yeah you can change this but if you change it and then give it to someone else, they have the same freedoms so you also have to give them the code and there are other licenses that don't require this so you can take this code and then make a proprietary product out of it where you don't have to give away the code. And there are also licenses that don't require you to do anything, not even mentioning where you got it from, like for example the CC0. And of course there are things there, not open source or free software. For example if you provide code but you're not allowed to change the code that's neither free software nor open source, that's just maybe it's from open code but it's not what we're talking about here. And also software that is not allowed to be used for certain things for example you say you don't like someone and this person is not allowed to use it or you say it's not allowed to use it to do certain things. And this is also kind of obvious but these days free and open software is extremely successful and when I made this slide I kind of realized how big of an impact this is and also in how many different areas it is successful like if you look at these logos I mean you probably don't recognize all of them but we have things like operating systems, we have messengers, video players, programming languages, basic libraries, browsers, web servers. All kinds of things where free and open source software is extremely successful. And of course free and open source software has advantages for the user like no one can tell you what you're allowed to do with this software. If you have the technological background to be able to do it you are allowed to change it and adapt it to your needs and if you're not then you may be able to pay someone else to adapt it for you. And it's also I think that's a very important aspect it's more resilient to change so if you have a company developing software and then the company no longer exists or they are no longer interested in the product then it usually just goes away, right? But if it's a free software then other people can pick it up and continue development. And also there I'm getting closer to the issue I mostly want to talk about today if you use a service that's based on a free software or you buy support from someone and you may have the opportunity to go to someone else you're not restricted to the company who made the software but other people can offer the same service or similar service based on that. Free and open source software can also have advantages for the people who develop it and one of them and I think this is extremely important it has a good reputation saying something is open source that just sounds good I also like that you may have contributions from the community which can be new features but also sometimes just bug reports that help you to find bugs in your software and also some people will just avoid using your software if it's not free for example I try to use as much free software as I can and in many cases if I have a choice between a free product and a non-free product even if it doesn't cost money but if it's I don't have access to the code I would choose to free. And also some distribution channels for software don't accept software that is not free so software for example Debian Dinox they're saying in their distribution all the packages are under the Debian free software guidelines so if you have something that is not under a free license then you cannot do that with the main gig industry. But from a developer perspective there are some things you cannot do so you cannot control what people do with your software and you cannot control who uses your software and you can sell a software but once you sold it you cannot usually not stop people from getting it for free because the person you sold it to can copy to others and put it on the internet that explicitly allows it to take part of the idea. You can sell support for your software but you cannot stop stopping others from also selling support for your software and they may even sell better support for your software and you can sell services based on your software but you cannot stop others from doing the same. And sometimes there are people who want to have a good reputation of free software or open source but they don't want to accept these things that they cannot do with it and what shall they do? They can lie, they can say it's open source although it's not or they can cause confusion and that's where I'm getting to the topic of today we have to talk about this cloud so I think yes everyone knows that cloud computing is big these days companies like AWS or Azure or Google Cloud they are very successful, very big, a lot of people use their services and obviously these cloud providers also provide services based on free and open source software so you have screenshots and you can see not everything here is open source software but on the left you can see AWS you can install a WordPress image or TV on it and all these cloud providers provide many services that are based on open source software and now you can say that's kind of normal and kind of expected because yeah your software is free everyone can use it so AWS of course they can use it and they can offer you to use it on their service why not? but some people seem to think otherwise here's an article on TechCrunch which has the title The Crusade against open source reviews and this guy thinks that this is abuse when a cloud provider uses every software and lately we had some instances where companies were changing their licenses to protect them from this abuse from cloud providers the first thing that came up was the so-called comments clause which is an extension to other licenses so you have the license I don't know Apache 2 wasn't typically assembled and then you add this additional clause and this is relatively short without limiting other conditions in the license the grant of rights under the license will not include it the license does not grant you the right to sell the software so you're restricted in what you can do with this and they expand a bit on it and basically what they're trying to say is AWS and Google and all these cloud providers should not sell services without software and this kind of became big when Redis announced that they would adopt this comments clause their first announcement was a bit unclear so people thought Redis would use that new license condition which was not the case but I was not so sorry for them because it was kind of their own fault that their communication was very confusing Redis itself at least they say will stay under BSB license but they're using some modules they re-licensed under this new license then there was this new license called server-side public list the question was Redis is a no-sql database so it's I don't know, I don't use these things I heard this is like when you want to use a database but you don't want to learn as well but a lot of people use it the next example was a MongoDB they used something called the server-side public license and this was a bit more interesting they came with this open-source license and they asked the open-source initiative to adopt it because like the open-source initiative people wrote this open-source definition and they kind of have a list of licenses they say they approve that this is an open-source license this is a bit longer so the important thing here is that the idea they have here is that if you offer a service with that software then everything you use also has to be under this license including they're pretty explicit about this user interfaces, application program interfaces automation software, monitoring software, backup software storage software and hosting software all such a user can run an instance of the service using this open-source code you make available so this kind of sounds a bit like a strong version of Copilot because we know that if you change Linux then your trainers also have to be under GPL but it goes much further basically there's no way to fulfill that license and the only idea is to make it completely impactful and if you really accept it they've written it in a way that it should not apply to normal users but it should apply to these cloud providers who are offering services based on normal users so it basically has the same intention like this comments clause before they don't want AWS to sell MongoDB services at least not without having some kind of extra agreement with them so they introduced this kind of super copy left that is practically completely impractical for example this says you cannot run a service on Linux because Linux is released under the GPL so you cannot re-license Linux under this service like public license so essentially this is an attempt to kind of hack the open-source definition because what they want is inherently not compatible with the idea of open-source but they are trying to find a way around it and there was a third thing which was the control and community license which was relatively similar to the first example so they basically said you cannot sell a service based on this so ultimately I think what all these companies want is AWS, Google, Microsoft, Stacia are not allowed to complete the task with our services because they also for MongoDB if you look on the other page you can get a hosted MongoDB from them and they want you to buy it from them and not from AWS that's what this is meant to be I think this alone wouldn't be something I would be very worried about because ultimately they could just say yeah put that in the license and then it's no longer open-source and okay, I mean I want to have more free-end open-source software but I can't let the few projects that are no longer compatible come in but what these companies want is they kind of still want the positive image of open-source and that is fundamentally incompatible they want the good things but they don't want to have the things that come with it and what I think they're doing is that they're trying to cause as much confusion as they can so it kind of sounds like they're sold they're not always lying so for this kind of course there's a web page and there's an FAQ and it's pretty explicit there's a question is this open-source and it expands a bit on that but that's here this is one of the Redis modules under this common-source course it says Redis Search is an open-source project and whatever it is that's a lie why is it a lie? open-source because it's not open-source, the license under the shape of it so are you open-source? no, I mean it's this license where they say the FAQ is this open-source, no wait wait this is the last one they don't use the common-source no, they use the common-source then this is from the blog post where they introduced this initiated by a condition of infrastructure companies to protect their rights common-source class is a condition added to existing open-source software to create a new and combined software assets now this is what I would call Confluenton because they say okay, it's added to an existing open-source license so it kind of sounds like yeah, we have an open-source and then we add something to it that kind of sounds like an open-source it's not explicitly wrong but I would say this is confusing and then they say the combined license maintains all conditions of the underlying open-source license but limits commercial sale of the software this doesn't make any sense I'm predicting in this so there's an organization called FOSTA which is kind of there behind all this so they were kind of collaborating with these companies to do these license changes they are more to this modern open-source management and you probably wouldn't think that modern open-source management is a way of saying we help open-source software to be no longer open-source this from Confluenton they basically say this is irrelevant for you for those who aren't commercial sale providers 99.99% of the users of these projects this adds no meaningful restriction of what they can do with this software what they are trying to say is yeah, I mean if you're AWS then you're affected by this but you're not I mean nobody here in the room is probably the CEO of AWS so it doesn't really affect you but I mean this is yeah that they're trying to tell you this is I mean maybe it's not technical open-source but it's not really relevant for you but I think this is bogus because you may not be AWS but you may want to use them right you may be a customer of them and I mean I don't know who here in the room is using AWS or Azure or Google Cloud audience but still and even if you run the software yourself right now you still may want to say okay but I want to keep my options open like I don't know maybe I run it now on my own server but maybe next year I want to go to some provider that offers this so I think this is relevant if you use that software not just the CEO of AWS so yeah so this isn't a kind of minor issue I think this really goes to the core of what free and open-source software is supposed to be but then you have this I mean we're really trying to gain some we're saying yeah this is really but we need to find development and I think that it's definitely a legitimate issue and we have a lot of problems that these products are underfunded that you certainly find out oh there's this super important library everyone's using it and it's programmed by one guy who never saw a dollar for it that's not mad but I really think this is I'm not sure if this is what we're talking about here this is the stock from normal so they went to the stock market I found it because I wrote an article about this license change from MongoDB and I wanted to look what other media was writing about it so Google used the type in MongoDB and I was surprised that a lot of financial market web pages showed up what an interesting stock option MongoDB is so their stock kind of doubled within a year and Redis Labs they are not on the stock market but they got like $44 million from both of them and so I'm wondering is this about developer funding or is this about investor expectations so I'm not sure we're like having the right to pay for it and then I found this which I found very confusing MongoDB management said customers were interested in due to the features across all of the large multiple cloud providers that was what they were trying to prevent in addition to preventing customer management they explained that many customers wanted to take advantage of the different unique features each large cloud company provides in retrospect MongoDB is cloud neutral positioning continues to be an advantage even as it competes with the very same cloud companies that have their own database offerings so I don't know where they're just saying that the advantage of their databases what they're just trying to prevent with their license change I don't know is there a threat to open source because this tech crunch article at the beginning we had this line cloud infrastructure threatened the viability of open source I think open source is doing really fine I don't think there's a threat maybe there's a threat to those companies business models they have this thing with evil big cloud because I mean one thing they're also trying to do a lot they're trying to gain sympathy by saying this is the big Amazon Google the big bad but I really think this is praying that doesn't really get to the issue and that shouldn't really matter because whether you like Google or whether you like Amazon is completely irrelevant if we're discussing what open source is so yeah a few conclusions I think we should demand clarity and reflect computing about the terms free software in open source something either is open source or it's not and there's no in-between and you can be part of that community and you can leave that community but yeah, you cannot have it of this we should talk about better funding for free open source software but I don't think not publishing free open source software is a way of publishing open source software and in general I think free and open source software is doing fine questions or comment on watch thanks for the talk what I always wonder is why and how are those companies even allowed to change their license legally they have software at any moment so there's two ways like one is it may be software they just develop on their own without any external contributions or often they have contribution agreements where you basically say if you send a patch then you have to sign something that you allow that to get them all right that is relatively common which also sometimes makes sense because sometimes you have a license and then it has some stupid incompatibility so they want to change it so there can be good reasons for that but you can only do that if you have the full rights to the software so if you are or it depends some licenses allow you to change it with the prior term if you have ESD code you can make better but if you have a GPL project with many contribution agreements so what do you think about EGPL it wasn't like this at all probably not but there's like a problem with like a GPL license software but both providers modify it and don't have distributed changes and EGPL prevents that but EGPL is not really well enforceable for them so we chose this graph I mean they're so okay the general idea of EGPL is that if you offer a web service or some network service then the same things apply like if you sell EGPL software because very often the software you're using is not running on the screen so EGPL tries to tackle that I think it's largely that debate because I mean I think MongoDB was EGPL and I mean Amazon is not violating their license I mean Amazon is just offering MongoDB completely land with the EGPL yeah yeah could you go back to the slide before the conclusion like what conclusion one slide before that yes so exactly like I absolutely agree with this but earlier when you were talking about the SSPL you mentioned that the class mentioned they are impractical isn't as irrelevant whether it's impractical or not for the license to be open source I mean I guess this is a tricky issue because we had I think we haven't had this before kind of trying to hack the definition but I think open source is not kind of technicality but it means something for user freedom and if you say you're a user you are allowed to offer a service with this but in practice you can't because it's not possible that's kind of so I feel this is kind of tricky I would imagine like just imagine like it is actually impossible like imagine like actually Amazon would now open source all the management software it would be absolutely amazing if you could use the same API in the same infrastructure they have put in heavenly on top of the linux term for example huge patch set on the linux term that they are not releasing and all the software that they have built around that and the whole company exists only because of that but I mean it's not saying that you have to release it but if they say you have to release it under their license it means for example for the linux term you cannot do that oh yeah that's not actually a bad question so that's written license I haven't read that yet they say that you have to release it under their license okay just a small question to clarify on the course of the comments course so really it restricts really the cloud business but it still would still allow products to be sold unless like they are slowly build to the expected state because the suit that they could actually just pay some money yeah if they get an agreement with the actual but that's kind of not what I'm interested in because like my perspective is the freedom of the community if Google and MongoDB get to some agreement my point is I don't want MongoDB to confuse the public yeah I'm not sure who was first but when the license is changed do the old provisions keep the old license? yeah yeah sure if something is released under a license then this gives you the right to release it so you can always talk the old versions and continue and I guess that will happen for some people yeah the AGPL was released in 2007 I think like I said before the MongoDB used to be a license on this and they changed the SSPL do you think one of the problems and the GPL through is even earlier than this I think one of the issues to maybe that hasn't been it doesn't look like it's much innovation in terms of like a GPL for the success of the AGPL I don't know it's not the concerns you made about the SSPL there wasn't any community drafting but this license do you think there's any scope for some other like an AGPL plus or something I mean the question would be what that would be because I think fundamentally if your license is a free license then I believe AWS can sell services based on it I don't think within the idea of free and open source software you can have a license that gives these companies what they want yeah you gave your assessment somehow like you think that open source software is going fine at the same time like presenting some cases in which the AGPL was not going fine I mean they have funding now but like so I guess so what is your proposal for like funding now I guess maybe that would be special yeah I mean I thought that would quickly get out of hand and get its own talk I mean what I think the most promising things are I mean many of these things just come out of companies that use some project and then just release it the other thing is I think there is a certain willingness in these large companies to fund for if they depend upon we should try to push that further I mean the idea that if you're a large IT company that profits from open source all the time and in many different places and it's often not a lot of money we're talking about right I mean funding on person is irrelevant to you so so my hope there would be that we can get more to the situation where not just software companies but all companies we have this idea that yeah they they pay something back voluntarily and ultimately won't stop them from that some won't do it but that is kind of a yeah and the root of the problem was the introduction of common clothes that was the first example yeah that's where I got lost so which one of the four freedom the common clothes breaks it must break one yeah I guess you cannot use it how you like it what do you mean how you like it yeah I mean it's four points and one I just but if you read the whole text that you can use it for any post that you want including commercial including selling including selling so that's one use case to offer a hosted model I wonder is this a case of false advertising because if I say my software is free and but in fact it's not and I'm a company and I say that this sounds like false advertising to me so these companies may be suitable for saying their software is free and absurd but in fact it's not it's a lie I'll have to so maybe we can get these companies by legal but I mean probably if you sue them for this they'll probably just change it I'm not sure that uses that much so but this for those companies claim their software but it's not this I fully agree this is a big problem so this has to stop but it's also I mean I took this as an extreme example but very often it's that they're using very confusing language that's my trial to see where it gets but I mean maybe you can I won't do it but maybe their organizations are interested in that yeah so these two new licenses became needed because suddenly the cloud providers made money by providing hosting my question is in what way does being a cloud differ from just selling hosting I guess it is just larger but you can try with your license you can sell hosting unless you have a name because hosting always was fine and that's a common thing to do with free software so I don't understand why suddenly it's even just because it starts with a C yeah so open source is a trademark term owned by the OSI and it's not written like that which I still think is a trademark violation the open source initiative could change that any day and it would be still the open source with big O and big S whereas free software is slightly different in its licenses that they approve of but it's also a shitty term for example it doesn't necessitate copyright which is an interesting addition to it but what I want to ask is do we need a term for software that you need to run on open source hardware without any known respects because that would be a requirement but I wouldn't have to do any other reading it's just like that it's not a lot of term yeah I don't think there's much to question I assume that you use copulate software over free software where did that come from I personally don't expect I guess we're getting into other discussions maybe we can have a later um yeah thanks you said like we need some kind of definition and it's the no no we have a definition we need to be clear about that definition yeah maybe some kind of simple with a AC light test or some kind of licenses so you can just like no no no we all have we have kept that all like that's definition and like this is a checklist we have all that I think you're being confusing when you're talking about free software capital S and you're saying it has these four readings and you're saying that in my team there's free software which is not on the lowest level why is it not because it doesn't require that you maintain those three readings yeah but that's not part of the definition I mean we're giving you the technicalities here but I mean even the free software foundation has always accepted that these permissible licenses are all part of the free software that's kind of different flavors of the free software the OSI and PSF also have lists of licenses that they accepted so and you can be pretty sure a license that is approved by the OSI and PSF is definitely a false license so you can look at that online can we do it in more I would just raise it as a company struggle between the company that is open source and the government happens to produce open source products because it seems to me that it's an industry that is coming off page and the management is coming off page and uses all the same tactics that any emerging industry uses here you try to grow and then you kick out your professors so the terms open source are just playgrounds for those management people and the thing is not to get confused on internal struggles at this point and just try to state the line as a company and not as a movement I guess there was no question about it and I don't want to have this forever if someone who hasn't said anything yet didn't have otherwise I'd close it that's okay maybe some uncommon opinion and maybe I'm also playing partly devil's advocate but in the time of software service you might think the idea to have something that is totally not open source software but has a different name which is everybody could contribute and everybody is open source running under their own terms but as soon as you run into Merkle use it you would have to negotiate a different license with the owner of the software and I think that might be a good idea it has been tried before it was never very successful but I mean if most of the benefits of the software are still there I actually don't think that you get most of the benefits I think this is a very crucial difference like if you start going down that route and I also I'm pretty convinced that for example the Linux counter would have never been relevant if it had a license like that it would have been better if it was the real one more importantly and that never was that I actually argued that software like Linux kernel and software service as you see now is the age and I totally agree with the software like Linux kernel and a lot of fundamental software that everybody needs to use but I mean the you would be that would you really like to distribute to software that is sold to other companies because it's all about community building I mean to have reliable open source software you need a reliable community and so you really need people who are inspired and want to work with one of us things and I would never distribute to the software and I know this is free for private people but it is selling from this company because I see there's no next group coming so here we go