It's important to have the learning or trying to make sure that you understand that there's a scale of impact that you can have with your daily actions. And try to figure out which ones have the highest returns, right? You wouldn't want to keep cash in an envelope when you could be investing in someone's company that is doing something that you want to support. Marcelo Garcia is my guest on this episode of Inside Ideas, brought to you by 1.5 Media and Innovators Magazine. Marcelo is a creator of the WisdomAccelerator.org, a concept for high potential global teenagers with the flagship event taking place in Davos every single year during the form or the world economic form, as well as smaller events in multiple locations around the world. Smart City expert with the United Nations for Economic Commission for Europe and IESE. You can find that under pppcities.org. What he does is basically often attend relevant United Nations conferences around the world. Already from Rio de Janeiro, but based in Europe since the last millennia, already he has been to 125 countries and can communicate in line languages with varying levels of fluency. Marcelo is a member of explorers.org, the club of the famous firsts, as other members have been the first to the North Pole, the first to the South Pole, the first to the summit of Everest, the first to the deepest point in the ocean and the first on the surface of the moon. He's involved in many different organizations, a lot around wisdom and education and new methods of thoughts. Marcelo is a friend and we know each other not only from the form at Davos but from the internet as well as the last time, well it wasn't the last time, but one of the first times we saw each other live was at Pioneers and Austria at the Hofburg Palace, which was a fabulous event and a great time. We shared coffee and went back into the Speaker's Lounge and met a lot of other great people and had some great introductions and conversations. Marcelo, welcome to the show. I'm so glad you're here. Well, it's amazing to be here. It always helps when you meet someone for the first time in a palace, doesn't it? I mean, don't forget that very easily. No, not at all. That was a fabulous experience and then not too long afterwards we met at H Farm again live and enjoyed an even more relaxed type of not only great wisdom and unconference, kind of this Chatham House rules around great thought leaders in the world where they were talking about high level topics, new business models, new ways of thinking and learning, as well as we just had an incredible time with wonderful food and experience of seeing Venice and Italy and I remember we had some nice times on the boat together where we enjoyed each other's companies and some good laughs. I was dressed like a tree so that's not easily forgotten either, but it was an amazing evening.  You had a much longer beard at that time and put on some lights and you were a camouflage at first like a tree and then it will became a Christmas tree and then it changed even again over the night. But we had a wonderful time. I believe I was dressed as Gandalf or something. I had this long hooded robe on and I also was touting a beard. We had a great time and I just look back at it fondly and you've also involved me over the times in some of your ways and meetings for youth and the last big meeting was online during the pandemic, but the one before that was actually in a beautiful center in the open form of Davos, of the form where I brought in the youth form Switzerland, the International School of Tsukin, Seren, their whole students that were there at the open form at Davos came by and we had a meeting where we spoke to them and kind of gave them presentation about the sustainable development goals and about what you were doing. So we've really had some, if you think about it, some wonderful times together, but all this experience that you've had, you know, you've been doing this for a while, you've been an explorer, a thought leader, you've been very active in your life doing amazing things and we'll get much more into that. We've just lived through and we still are living through this crazy pandemic time, Black Lives Matters, Belarus, the inauguration and I could go on and on with all the craziness we've experienced. How have you weathered this time? What's happened? What things have bubbled to the surface and how have you emerged or are still emerging on the other end of all of this craziness? Well, it's really unique, right? I guess you will be relating a lot to that. It was traveling 95% of the time going to all of the different conferences and speaking a whole bunch of places or joining for networking reasons and then it went down to zero. Now, when you have a binary switch, it's almost like we went into travel fasting. Fasting means many things. You can fast for sugar, you can fast for cigarettes, you can fast for food, but in this case it's the fasting of human connections, the fasting from stress in many ways. Like the time that it has to waste now going to the airport and checking in and missing something and eventually you get the prize, which is arriving at the location and getting the value that justified you going there in the first place. All of a sudden that went down to zero. So, from my perspective there was great. It was almost like I was shifting from exploring by going far to exploring by going deep. And you, or at least in my case, I started by being a very curious person by nature, trying to understand what's going on, what are the implications, what can I do to help. And we had a concept for Wisdom Accelerator, which was very much based on meeting in person, having teenagers from all around the world that will be flying to Davos as our main location with one of the parents that the mother or the father would have to come with them so that they could make friends for life, they could learn things that so they wouldn't be able to learn in a traditional education framework. And in principle have the best possible week of their lives, right, this is how the program was designed. All of a sudden, we had to take away the element of the traveled excitement seeing snow for the first time, meeting people from the other side of the planet that may or may not have things in common. And that became a challenge, right. One of the things that I heard recently is that pain is unavoidable suffering isn't suffering is in your mind pain is physical suffering is mental. And if you try to look at difficult situations like your business is very much mean that we're nonprofit but then again know that's how I spend my time it's very painful to see it's not bearing the fruits that we have planned for, and having the expectation that this will remain the case for another two maybe three years looks like it's going to be more likely in a half to two years. Thanks to the vaccines that are being developed and now being distributed, but at the very beginning was fuzzy. So what do you do. And the idea initially was, let's try to fight the last battle. So we had the plan after Davos last year to have an event in Singapore and then another one in New York. So you could have a big event in the major time zones, and that was part of the grand plan and making sure that as a nonprofit entity could get the participation of as many teenagers and families as possible. So we're trying to do Singapore, maybe you can do something just with teenagers from Asia, because now the restrictions are not going to be a severe. And then it's out of shutting down borders like oh let's try to do something just for the teenagers from Singapore and maybe something smaller, and then they could leave home and at that point in time. And it's not even by vetting in this case because the core concept we still want to do Davos next year right and negotiating location and planning to do something even significantly bigger and better than what I've done in the last two years. But at the point in time when it became obvious that insisting on trying to have a live event is just foolish. And this is about which is when to grit and when to quit, right, or having endurance and resilience is really important having the ability to grit for a very long time is something that deeply care about. And I've done a few things to test limits of what I'm personally capable of doing, but you have to know when to quit which is in this case is just pressing a big pause button. I say look what can I do in the meantime, which is going to be building the long term value for when the situation is back to normal. And this period and trying to collect new pieces of the puzzle that are going to make it a more beautiful. Final product once it's completed so how can I extend what I'll be doing with the five to 10 year mindset rather than oh my God I had planned to do this in three months and it's not happening. And all of a sudden it gets into the spiral of suffering which is all in your mind, right. The number of things that we really obliged to do is quite limited you have to respect the laws you have to make sure that you behave in an ethical and civic manner. But within those boundaries, you have total freedom right you can use your energy and the time that you have to do multiple things and I'm hoping that many people will realize that as we did. We need to get people to meet in person and that's no longer possible it's like, oops, I shouldn't have put so much effort in a single track. I so I really hope that lots of people are now trying to figure out that volatility spots of life. That's maybe you should do the Pareto rule of 80% doing the real life thing, 10 to percent doing the online thing because you never know. And all of a sudden the online thing becomes 100% and that's what we ended up doing. You were at the very first edition of the wisdom accelerator online which is what you have in my background the neo way.org way being wisdom accelerator for you from the neo is a bit like no taking the hat off for the matrix and the character in here. No, looking for his truth. What we need to do is to have sessions every month where we are inviting really interesting people who have accomplished something that got them to be curated to share the wisdom with teenagers and what's interesting in this case is that we tried to make sure that half of our speakers are below 30. So, many of them in the early 20s, and they're very puzzled when I asked them, no, could you come on stage and share your wisdom, like I'm 23 what wisdom they have. It's like, well, from the perspective of a teenager, not only you have a lot of wisdom, your knowledge is much more relevant than an 80 year old PhD who won a Nobel Prize. I mean, there's a lot of respect for the older person, but you have a generation gap that most teenagers go like, yeah, okay boomer kind of know I like what you did but that was last millennium. When you have the younger ones, they're basically saying, look, no, if you want to get to the best university in Singapore, I suggest that you do a BNC and the Nobel Prize mineral have no idea. You know, the type of help and support and the wisdom that can be shared is different. It's so extremely valuable, which is why half of our speakers are older than 30. We try to make sure that it's gender balance. So this month, we have half of them being men, half of them being women, it's more or less around this distribution that I have it every month and we're going to the 10th edition already with 300 speakers in total. We try to make sure that everybody benefits. So what I've noticed is that the speakers are using this somehow as a check-in. They go like, oh no, what do I have that is useful to future generations that are going to give continuity to society. So how can I make sure that that future is as bright as it can be by chipping in with what I've learned? And after 300 speakers, you start seeing patterns, right, which is why I invite so many people from so many different places, and you have to challenge yourself. Not be afraid of asking for help. We should try different things and look at failure, not as failure, but just as a lesson that lets you become more successful in the future. So the idea is to compile all of this wisdom to distill it somehow in a universal wisdom magic potion that the teenagers can leverage to make better decisions in the future. And just to have a bit of a break, you know, don't want to be a monologue. What happened in this case that we had a great concept which is no less great because you had to stop it for two years and we're using those two years to create something that allows it to be even greater in the future. So by having it online, I can start inviting people with disabilities who live in Papua New Guinea, right? If they have a decent internet connection and they understand English, which will be the case in Papua New Guinea as an example, why not?   I actually hope that many of them will in the future, but by having an online version of the program, we're truly universal. So I would say that close to one billion teenagers between 13 and 17 in the world, that's my own calculation based on the United Nations statistics have seen. And many of them can understand English or can at least benefit from the session somehow before I start doing translations, etc. And we're hoping that we're going to serve as a motivation. They can be on stage because it's a Zoom meeting. The interactivity is total. If they want to have a chat with you and ask about work you've been doing, they have a chance to do so. But do you want to go beyond? Tell a little bit more about their future plans after you give me opinion on what I shared so far. There's actually four things that came up and what you said, which is, you answered the question so eloquently, but it's also it's about exactly what you said it's about going deep. So there's there's no quick pitch or quick answer to what you gave and that's what I really love to hear back that it was a different way of going deep as well. And I like the parallels that you that you show, you know, with the neo referring to the matrix, you know, kind of a new matrix very digital very kind of online it's a plugged into the grid some some are still trapped in the matrix and feeding, feeding that system and others are now trying to emerge with wisdom seeing the world in a different way. And one big thing that comes up in that and this is one of the points that I want to touch on maybe have you address that but I do want to cover all four, four of the things that came up and when you were speaking. The first one is when when you're you're the world around us, whether it's a pandemic or not is growing exponentially good bad and ugly so continuing to have climate issues environmental issues health issues there's there's also positive growth and and the emergence of new food technologies and cellular agriculture and there's new technologies and going to Mars and the moon and the privatization of the space race and then there's new protein folding there's all these new things that are continuing to grow and move. And keep up with this exponential world but now we've been kind of in this lockdown area this kind of isolation one from another social distancing. But we still as humanity need to keep up with that growing world we need to gain new wisdoms we need to find out ways how in a confined space or maybe in our human zoos are locked up that we still are up to speed so that if it ever emerges as the world economic form says the great reset and we go back to events go back to inner get interacting with each other that we're up to speed with where the world has continued to grow regardless that we're been in a lockdown situation. And because we need those innovations those technologies those six major transformations to get us to that brighter future, one that eliminates human suffering and environmental problems. And I believe one way you hit the nail on the head. It's by going deep. It's another way that we're locked down and what we can't make there's another way that we can have that impact by going deep and coming up with the solid plans and ways to to emerge or act in these situations that we can still be prepared for that time I don't know if you want to make a comment about that or how your thoughts or feelings on that but this would be a time and then I'll cover the other three. I'd like to make a distinction between education and learning, right, and education, from my perspective is very structured. It hasn't changed much in the last 100 150 years, and is just perceived sadly as a necessary evil like you want to fit in society and this is sort of the ticket. If you have multiple tiers, you can have just the basic ticket or can have the VIP tickets and they become an expert in something with lots of degrees, but you have to follow those roles. And when I look at your background is a stunning library. I don't know if it's a real place they really hope it is Trinity College, incredible library. One of the reasons there is that if you get a young person and our focus on teenagers, pretty much because they're blank slate, right, so they are mature enough to make many good decisions. So if you try to have this kind of conversation with a nine year old, you know, it's not going very far it's going to be useful but there are limits to the usefulness until they are mature enough. And if they're below 18 they still feel that they are being sheltered which they are, you know, they usually live with the parents and they have lots of limitations to the motions of possibilities of personal choice. So that's when you come to them and say, let's go to Trinity and here's a library and everything that is here has been recognized as being valuable for a very long time. Right, so if you have the ancient wisdom, but I mean practical wisdom, one of the reasons why in Asia, brown rice was considered to be peasant food, like no, if you can afford you have white rice which is still the case today, is because the husk of the rice has laxins that are there to protect the plant and they're not well absorbed by the body and that causes lots of trouble so an expert in food I'm quite sure you've heard about that one. So, if Asians have been avoiding brown rice for 5000 years and all of a sudden there's a new age guru saying the brown rice is better because it's closer to nature is like, who is more likely to be right. Like people have been doing this for 5000 years or this guy who just know has zero consequences in terms of being wrong about his choices has not or could be a woman so but wait not trying to be sexist here in terms of new age gurus and I think that people should try to focus on learning through curiosity and joy, like try to get out of the structure and I don't want to call it the matrix but it is a matrix like the vacation system worldwide is a matrix in the sense it is a very structured, you have lots of choices that you can make, but you can't really go out of the box. If you get to a library, like the one on the background. You're completely free. So one of the things that I'm doing now to maximize serendipity when it comes to learning is reading six books at the same time one chapter at a time. I jumped from a book on fasting to a book on telomeres to a book on cryptocurrencies, one chapter at a time. And I'm hoping that this allows me to make connections that I wouldn't make otherwise. And this is close impossible to do in the standard education system and professional life as well right many things you just cannot do within the boundaries of the corporation before, or even if you're an entrepreneur, it's also the case. So I would really hope that people try to focus more on learning than on the education bits, because education right now is very challenging so the the limits that are being imposed even stricter because of online classes and everything else and this is very frustrating, but try to, if possible, uses energy that is feeding a frustration are something productive is energy right. So if you try to look at a problem and go like no, this is really annoying. I'm just being upset with myself for being in a situation and I feel powerless because nothing can do your own. There's a lot that you can do, you can use this energy to say, let me get a big bright yellow sticker and put it on the top of this problem or call it a challenge. So my challenge is how can I use this energy in a positive way to create a better future for myself but don't think about next week next month next year I think 10 years from now. I know, if you want to go to the extreme case you could say, what would you like people to write on your tombstone. Like this person did a BCD. So, all of a sudden you are looking at 100 years time span which is very likely to become standard. And some people say that limits are 120, 130. So let's say 100 is a pretty good deal. So if you have a, I'm not claiming that people should be doing that but like 100 years plan, like try to figure out what the end looks like, how many people are coming to your funeral. It's morbid in a way to talk about death, but I think death as a reference is very useful. And you look, all the things that you're doing right now, for how long did they matter, and what did they matter for, are they the foundations of something more beautiful. As in I'm in Venice right now, they are insane. They're running out from Attila the Hun in the year 451 and all the Roman Empire is still barely going. And they figured out that if they got those trees from a specific forest, and they buried them in the mud, those trees will petrify and be as good as concrete pillars. And then I could build things on top and all of a sudden there's a city with 60,000 people that literally floats on a lagoon. I've been here for a week, this place is just bonkers. This is the most beautiful city in the world, bar none because of the creativity and the effort that was required. But they turned their fear of Attila into something productive like, hey, let's get pragmatic here. My cousin Giovanni just figured out that you can use those trees as a pillar and all his house has been going on for 1015 years. So maybe I should try to do the same and it is a lot of fish here and we have both anyway. So if you ever need to go back to the mainland to trade, we're fine. We have everything that we need. And all of a sudden that was the kernel of what became Venice. So I really hope that people out there will build their own Venice.  And that, in fact, was fear becoming power, becoming action, getting solutions that were limited in terms of time and space. They had to stick around here. They had to protect themselves. They had to survive and eventually thrive. They built an empire from that. So try to develop something that could become your own empire. I mean, it's not a good word, but your own pride and joy. Like something that once you get to the end of hopefully very happy and productive life, people are going to say, wow, this person lived a good life. He or she had a life worth living. And Ancient Greeks had a name for that. It's called Eldimonia. Eldimonia means good spirits, right? So it is like you back then, the idea is that you have a life that is guided by good angels. They are leading you into the right direction. And the right direction is not necessarily the easiest, right? So if you've done endurance sports, you realize that that is not pleasant. You don't do that because you're enjoying it. You do that because you want to get to the summit of the mountain. And you know that the feeling of achievement is amazing and stays with you forever. You know that the physical preparation that you will achieve as well by having a very ambitious target is also going to be good for you. So try to understand that many of the problems they have in your life, they're not problems at all. They're hints. They're like good spirits telling you go through this path. It's not going to cause you permanent harm. It's something that is going to allow you to grow as a person, but make sure that you know where you're going. That's the tricky part. Like the sense of purpose, the sense of what, I mean, sometimes when I meet people in conferences like Kennan had, I'll ask them. So, why are you here? Because it's a great conversation. No, why are you on this planet? Why do you exist? What is the purpose and the meaning at the deepest level of your life? We tend to get two responses, either they kind of very slowly and quietly leave the conversation, or we get into a very deep and interesting discussion, more of the latter than the former. Because in these conferences, you tend to meet people who are in this kind of mindset, right, and they have an answer, or at least you trigger the thought process that allows them to figure out, yeah, good point. So what we do with the wisdom accelerator sessions online and also the live ones, but the last 10 months, the online version. I usually ask the speakers to imagine that it can travel back in time and spend 20 minutes with the teenager cells. How would they use those 20 minutes to maximize the value of the life of that teenager that will become themselves? So go back in time, 10, 15, 30, 50 years, depends on how old the speaker is. What are the things that you could have told to yourself as a teenager in 20 minutes that would have the maximum impact? And that's where they get value in the present. You go like, wow, I would have given this advice to myself as a 15 year old, but I'm not doing it myself now that I'm 60 or whatever ages. And that gets them to think so wisdom accelerator is supposed to add value to everybody who's participating. All right, so the younger ones get practice in public speaking and structuring the thoughts and also the sense of purpose, and the older ones that go like, oh, okay, I have misguided myself without even realizing but this is a reset, right. We're talking about word reset, which may or may not be popular is from circles of people who are pro against the web. The fact that you passing a flashlight on a spot that was in the shadow for so long allows you to figure out, do I want to do something about that? Or one option is doing nothing right so just turn off the flashlight and pretend you've never seen it. And my feeling is that most people can't do that once they they cannot unsee it. Yeah, once you've turned on that light, it's hard to turn it off again. It's extremely hard to turn it off again. You, you've just opened up about seven more rabbit holes that we could go down and much more depth but I want to go back to the last three. There is one comment and one of the new things that you you just brought up the the extra seven that came in there, and that is, I totally agree it's this purpose for existing. You really need to find out your purpose for existing know why you're here, but also unlike the library behind me.  Did you do something did you learn something did you have wisdom that you would be proud when you're giving someone a tour on your museum of life to show them that day, or was it just the day you ate chips and watch football or, you know, whatever it was that you decided to sleep that day away, and there's not much to show on your, your tour of this this museum of life and so I believe there's there's tons of nuggets there, but I also with education and learning it's deep it's complex and everything that we're talking about is dealing with complexity science and systems thinking and really the dynamics of of life which at times can be very chaotic theory and games theory that they're so complex to understand, but I love how you break them down for you for everyone to kind of understand based on where they're at and in the learning aspect I really want to move into a couple things so August 21 2020 last year, Sir Ken Robinson passed away. Well before his time because of illness but in reality, he was already beginning a new movement of how we revamp from education to a learning model revamp to an individual model that we're not teaching how to climate tree and monkeys how to swim and getting them to a point of mediocrity but that we're giving them wisdom to apply to life to apply to the future of life and and and things and so also a pioneer as we met Professor Nikki Abahart and she was also on on your ways. Speaking to your students, and I was as well as one of the first you said and I really want to get some feedback because I'm one of the ones who are who are in the 50, going on 50 plus now that I speak to a lot of youth I speak to a lot around the world and I tend to wonder am I reaching them am I falling on deaf ears is my message. Correct, can I depart that wisdom to them and get them to see the world in a different way and so I believe you gave me a little bit of feedback but I would like to know how how do when grandpa mark shows up at ways and starts to speak to them how is that accepted did it come across good or do you realize that there's maybe some some things that that I'm doing wrong or are better ways to reach audience or am I as Nikki in alignment. She's also in that plus and as you are as well. I would like to reach those audiences to give them the right wisdom and messages that they need to to give them a beautiful museum day or to get them to think about the future. I think you're probably two of the best sessions we had so far. And it's quite amusing because either you introduced me to her she introduced me to you I can't recall it was. It's probably not around because she was moderating a session right and you're leveraging the fact that your focus on food and it's very hard for people not to be interested in food right it's a topic that would trigger anyone. You come across as a common collective because you are as a very genuine and spontaneous because you are and teenagers connected that because it's not traveling is interesting and it gives them something that can stay with them to mature over time. It is not the kind of education based on fear of failure like if you don't pass the exam your life is over many Asian countries you have one exam and that's it like if you don't get it right. Not many good options out there I think in most Western countries there's a lot more flexibility but then again still limited. You, in many ways represent and it is the same which is storytelling about when she was diving in this cave and passed out and but it saved her. It was like this mini adventure story so it's very very gripping and you're basically sharing all your knowledge and you giving them that's giving them choices. But I would say that my favorite word in English and whatever equivalent happens to be another language is optionality, which is kind of a weird choice right some people say it's happiness or no Sunday. But optionality, from my perspective is giving every single human regardless of their age as many good options as possible in life at the lowest possible costs. So, if you had a magic lamp that would allow you to have your personal genie that would just grant you any wish, and it costs you nothing it's not like you have three wishes have as many as you want like you have the full free hold property to the lamp. You could be happier than like it depends right if you're again pain is unavoidable suffering isn't if you are traveling to the moon as one of the first to be in a rocket to do the space exploration like this Japanese the gazillionaire who booked himself and a bunch of friends for a little ride over there. And while you're orbiting the moon, you're really upset because you're missing out on a super cool party that your producer friend is organizing in a way. That's your problem. There is something called being too present right so you're not enjoying the present so crack at it are completely focused on the present. You don't want to be a crack at it right so the whole thing of the power of now and being present. It comes with an asterisk. So do enjoy what you're doing right now. Keep in mind that there's a cost of opportunity for everything you're doing you could be again a gazillionaire and you're deeply unhappy because you're only thinking about the things missing out because you're orbiting the moon. But that's your choice. So the point being, you need here basically giving the teenagers options in life saying look you could do this it could do that. I'm giving a couple of hands. This is how I can take action. And I think that this is why those are true of the most popular sessions. And this is how we can help them. If I try to force teenagers to study Eskimo culture. Architectural design, thermal insulation and teamwork as four different papers that they must answer correctly otherwise they don't pass and they are going to be punished. I am not going to get as much enthusiasm and effort as I get when I tell them let's build an igloo. So here's a person who's an expert at building igloos two thirds or more of the participants in Davos had never seen snow in their life and all of a sudden saying would you like to build an igloo. Yeah, they'll wake up at seven in the morning to build an igloo. And yet they're learning about Eskimo culture about architectural design about thermal insulation and about teamwork right because you have no people stomping the snow have people cutting at people moving and the ones replacing it. So, I always try to be sneaky, and get the learning disguise in the fun. So what we're doing Davos in order to try to do online as well as to make sure it's as much fun as possible. And with my own daughter, you know, being my co founder inspiration for the whole idea. I always tried to do that right so one of the concept to have for wisdom accelerators to have around the world trip. So, literally, will be spending two or three maybe four weeks where the families are coming with the teenagers, and maybe know both parents are going to be there and they'll bring along the older siblings or younger siblings will be flying around the world once things go back to normal, stopping in five or six different countries, doing crazy things like going to a volcano in Hawaii and then going to temple in Japan and meeting really interesting local people, because this is now more affordable than ever. I mean, I actually did that in 2018 with my daughter as a trial pilot, and the total cost of the flights to go around the world was around $1,000. We're flying from Hawaii to Japan for $130. It sounds insane because it kind of is, but all of a sudden go like, oh, okay, all of a sudden, this is affordable.  The parents will respect them more, they'll give them more freedom because they're outside of the normal routine, so experimentation just becomes a standard. And I'm really hoping to be able to do that to maybe two years, right, so we'll be flying around the world, a big group, normal low cost airlines and hoping that most of them will survive. Otherwise, this could be done as a charter flight, nothing preventing us from filling a whole plane with amazing teenagers and the parents. And I had to plan the pilot in 2018. So what I did was to get a flip chart, put it outside in the garden and my daughter was with me back then, and I was giving her anchor points saying, look, the trick is to fly from a to a going around the world. So we know what you want to do, just don't know how. Now to make it more interesting. Let's just say that we don't book the tickets until one or two days before we actually fly. So that if you want to stick around in Japan a few days more, that's fine. We don't have to fly that day, we can just book the ticket, because we're monitoring to make sure that the price is not going up and it worked out perfectly well. So I wanted her to use this fuel, like the motivation of flying around the world and going to all of those countries and she's crazy about Japan, which is what I'm mentioning all the time and Hawaii was also amazing. We went to six of the seven islands because the big island was having an eruption so we got a bit of mist this time. And I told her, look, here's an app called Sky Scanner. We're trying to go from A to A. We know that you want to go to Japan. We know that we have to, you know, cross the Pacific via Hawaii because it was way too expensive like 10x, 20x more. So we're trying to go through Sky Scanner and figure out which are the days, how many days would you like to spend in California, where we're flying from in Europe, and try to figure out how we can optimize the three weeks that we have to do this to get maximum value as you define value. What she was doing was teaching her linear programming, optimizing routes based on certain constraints. Like if I came to her and said, let's go outside and study linear programming for two hours, I would probably not have the same love of enthusiasm. And she would have learned. You would have been education. You wouldn't have been learning to the extent that she achieved because there was purpose. Literally, the better we plan this round the world trip, the more value you personally get. And I'm always trying to figure out how can I sneakily find fun things to do that are not only relevant to the teenagers now but will be relevant for the rest of their lives. Understanding how to book a flight and the fact that if you miss this day, there's another one in two days because you know how to check. You've been in this situation before so you find so when you face adversity, there is pain. There's no suffering. You just figure out okay, what am I getting out of this. I'm stuck in Taiwan for an extra day. People pay a lot of money to be stuck in Taiwan for an extra day. So don't be upset to be happy that you can be there. Yeah, so that's kind of part of the mojo of what I tried to do. It's tricky online to find fun stuff, but we're doing a lot of our and thank you for being part of it. Oh, it was a sheer pleasure. And every time you answer another question, another five or six open up to go even deeper, we could really go into rabbit holes during our whole conversation. There's one and you've basically answered it throughout our whole discussion already, but I want to bring it to the surface and make sure that those listening truly understand going deep, long events, long talks. I long ago have given up the TED talks, the elevator pitches, give me the short version, and you basically answered this in the way you've answered your questions and talking about going deep. What are your thoughts and feelings about the trend or not even trend that where our world's going. Most of the best podcast in the world's are about an hour to two hours long. You know, the videos online for deep learning deep wisdom as their their minimum an hour long because and discussions about 1000 page books or 700 page books they're not done in 15 minutes anymore and if they are. They're not worth the time in most cases to watch because you're not getting the true substance out of them and there's in my opinion there's there's no way to to get this quick notes version on some of these deep learnings or these things to where you really can have a takeaway. And so the question around that not only that I believe you're believing that philosophy as well. But how do you deal with that because it's you know, we're in a world of social media and Snapchat and and Twitter's and and and these things. Where, you know, sometimes my kids my adult children and my grandchildren are not of the age yet to to use social media or have a phone. But how did they deal with that because it kind of been brought up in a world that you know this text quick short versions there's no full sentences or paragraphs and communication. What are you seeing the trend and youth when they're presented with like, I believe my my discussion to you guys at ways that was at least an hour long, I believe maybe even a little bit longer and then we went almost an hour and questions afterwards. If I remember correctly, what are you seeing how are you dealing with that are they getting bored are they handling it as a is it worth it and what's the trends or what's the direction that you see there. It kind of depends on a lot of materials and interest and so we tend to attract the teenagers that are seeking answers they cannot get and they figured out that this is an interesting person right if someone is being curated to speak at our events they have been recognized for something they've done by an institution we respect me in World Economic Forum clearly being one of them with a global shapers and young global leaders and so on. And I just like to dial back to the mentioned the made of Sarah can Robinson and the fact that he had polio. And he had to struggle his whole life by being one of the very final say victims of polio. I don't think that you had many younger people than him being affected by the disease because of the vaccination campaigns. And that made him humble that made him realize that he had so many different limitations and it allowed him most likely to extrapolate that his physical limitations also reflected in his psychological way of looking at things. And he was a very gifted public speaker, a very funny one at that. Now, he had lots of TED talks, right and they tend to be in the longest size like 18 to 20 minutes.  And what happened there is that you watch one of those and you're like, I want more of this guy, like, give me more of this. So the same mental algorithm of having a hook something that gets a brain interested, and then having access to the longer versions kind of works in every situation. So I tried to watch all the talks that I gave not only Ted sometimes the concepts would be repeated, but it was always something new and fresh because it was so good delivering the message. I didn't mind that listen to the same thing three or four times. It helps you consolidate those memories. And depending what is happening to you that day, you interpret what is saying a different way. Maybe from the more professional or personal side, but it's a very strong message, and it deserves to be retained. What I've seen happening recently is that they have this super long format, like the podcast last an hour or three hours in some cases. And what they're doing right now is having little clips, three to four minutes. And that's not for teenagers as basically for everybody leading business lives. And all of a sudden go like, oh, this is Alan Musk, explaining why he wants to go to Mars and the original projects. And that leads me straight into two hours conversation like, okay, I had a sampler. I want to have now the whole thing. And I think that more and more this is what's going to happen with the other podcasts have done. That's similar in the way that they have the hour long version, and then they have three minutes here for minutes there with the most important concepts that will get people to realize, oh, there's value in this for me. I mean, but trying to force people doesn't work. I went to something for an hour and ago like I really couldn't care less about that you're adding negative value to their lives because it would be bored and upset. We definitely shouldn't force them and do that at all. There's some some new things that are emerging and some some old things that we're discovering how to use more effectively. So, for me, I learned in a different way so I'll also listen on a different speed or I really like to use the chapters that YouTube and being all have where they can actually break it down into chapters where they're nicely or almost bookmarks or timestamps where you could go through and say okay this this stuff I don't need to know but this I'm really interested or specifically looking for that and you can go to that. Cindy Chin was also she's a NASA data not and she was also on my podcast she just founded and co founded a new organization called Clipper, which is based with AI and the knowledge platform taking videos and kind of making them like notes but also breaking them up into chapters and sections and doing it in a way that it's real time and live and interaction with the audience so I see some of that really emerging and and I am in alignment with that you need some kind of a teaser first and foremost to even see if it's a value or if that's what the the collective intelligence that that person wants to have or learn that is good for their passions or where they want to go. Because some of the materials isn't applicable to everybody for every podcast I mean some people want to really get into the specifics and so those teasers really help. So you've answered that perfectly and the last one is you feel like you're a global citizen and how would you feel about a world without nations borders and divisions one from another humanity one from another. And the reason I asked this is because air food water are global citizens the pandemic is this global citizen for COVID and species don't adhere to borders and many other things don't adhere to borders but us as humanity and many ways have kind of been confined during this time and so with that in mind and the way our world works with business and trade how do you feel about that. I could get into conversations about externalities of keeping your house clean by throwing the trash in your neighbor's garden and that's what lots of people are doing. Being aware of the consequences of those actions and lots of ecologically minded people don't realize that they're just exporting pollution right and not naming names here just go deeper into what's happening. One of my best bees are those metal straws. Well hey no let's use metal straws avoid using plastic straws, like the amount of energy that goes into making a metal straw is enormous compared to what it takes to make a plastic straw. A far better alternative is paper biodegradable straws that costs maybe twice as much as a plastic one but they cause closest zero damage so the metal straw just a fashion statement. I mean maybe I'll get some haters for that but that's my personal opinion and I don't think that is helping and in fact when people implement those fake palliative solutions be like oh I feel better because I'm using a metal straw instead of the plastic ones. It's energy that they are using for something that has a lower level of impact so the intention is good results are not. And that basically means that they don't feel the motivation I don't have the time to do things that have real impact. So it's important to have the learning or trying to make sure that you understand that there's a scale of impact that you can have with your daily actions. And try to figure out which ones who have the highest returns right you wouldn't want to keep cash in an envelope when you could be investing in someone's company that is doing something that you want to support if you can afford to support these kind of initiatives. And that leads to the global conversation right and many people these days are aware of the fact that there's something called the Dunbar number and number number is the size of a prefrontal cortex. Basically the brain right behind your forehead and the larger it is the more meaningful social connections you can make so a little monkey can only have a little monkey family because they just do not have the frontal cortex to be able to connect with more monkeys. And it comes to humans where that number is around 150. And I think that's a big deal right so if you try to tell people you need to empathize with 7.7 billion people. I wouldn't say that this is necessarily positive because his overreaching is asking for something that truly is impossible you literally do not have the physiological capacity to relate to 7.7 billion people. You do have the capacity to relate to 150 right so the ability to deeply care about humans no matter where they are to empathize with those that closes your heart and to whatever you're doing. So the global mindset of do whatever it can at a local level, but connect with other people that resonate with you, no matter where they are in the world, and above all have the ability to switch. So you may be very interested in collecting stamps when you're 12 and all of a sudden you like fish and you have lots of aquariums at home. I'm kind of describing myself here. I had seven aquariums in my room. And that basically means that I'm switching from the stamp collection mindsets and connecting people who like pretty fish at home. It's a very silly example, but the whole point is, if you have the ability to use your physiological limitations the number number of a maximum 150 people you can deeply connect with having the ability to disconnect and reconnect as needed allows you to maximize the use of that limitation. Okay, so speed empathy, I guess could be an Olympic sport, like try to connect with everybody doesn't matter if they're rich or poor smart not so smart to complete a different culture or know your cousin, and having the curiosity to understand what is a mutual value that is possible with that person. As in, I've had conversations this is quite an interesting one at the Munich Airport. I noticed that it was this elderly lady, she was probably in her eighties, and she could only speak a language no one could understand. So I was trying to figure out what is this elderly lady doing at the airport alone we have no idea where she's going she cannot communicate with us. And that became the challenge like, can I relate to someone who doesn't speak anything that I can use as a tool. And so it turns out that I've recognized her clothes as being from Eritrea, and I had been to Eritrea many years ago so it's like no she looks like she's from the Tigrina tribe, not many people have that information but I did right, and it was purely coincidental. So I started trying to use Arabic words that are because they know half Muslim in Eritrea and maybe should be familiar with some of those words. And she mentioned the word misery, which is Egypt. Okay, so I assume that she's coming from Eritrea she connected in Egypt, most likely Cairo, she is connecting in Munich to go somewhere else. And then I got a piece of paper and a pen, and I started drawing her. And then she was drawing like a woman with the two children, and all of a sudden, I really cannot recall this. Seven years ago, how we got to a mutual understanding that she was flying from Eritrea, going to Sweden to visit her daughter and her kids, and she was connecting in Munich and could not explain that to the police. And at that point in time, the policeman came back, because he managed to figure out from the flight schedule, manifesto the destination and everything else. And I was explaining to him it's like yeah she's coming from Eritrea connected in Cairo she's going to Sweden to meet her daughter and it's like how on earth. Do you know that from a person who only speaks Tigrina. Like, I have no idea, but we tried and we managed to do it. So, I don't have special superpowers right was just curious or curiosity being the superpower that any supply here, but also the interest in others. And I really hope that in next generation because we talk about millennials and Gen Z and all that there's gen eight right gen a right now that 11 years old 10 years old. So, the wisdom accelerator class of 2023 is going to be a whole new fresh generation. And I really hope that the gen Z's and the gen A's are going to have this ability to connect with whoever they interact with at a deeper level, showing respect for the humanity, even if they're not going to be friends for life like I'm not in contact to this other lady I hope that she's doing fine. But we had this very powerful beautiful moment of humanity in which she needed my help. She needed help period. And I was curious enough to try to figure out can I help this person. And in many ways, she would have been fine without me right the policeman had already found a translator and everything else but the fact that we could connect at that level leads me into the treasure that I'm here sharing with you. So she gave me a value back, and I really hope that more people would have the same mindset. Absolutely love that and it opened up two more things that I really want to touch upon are so vital so I've never had anybody answer the question of global citizenship and a world without borders and divisions of humans one from another, like you did, which is so eloquently done, but also so very true to get that bigger overview effect that cosmic perspective of how the world works and how we see each other, but there's some really unique things in there that come to life. The critical mass or the the stun bar number of 100 to 150 people that we can have is absolutely true. And as those 100 to 150 people that we know, they also can have, depending on who they are and how, you know, many different factors can also have 100 to 150 people that they know. This is where that six degrees of separation gets even smaller, where there's maybe three degrees of separation to much a much wider or global audience where it's similar to like what you see on LinkedIn with first degree connection or third degree, you know things like that. And then we reach this thing called critical mass where impacts movements, different things reach such a mass that it's, it's people aligned with a vision, but also realizing that we're all on this massive earth and so there is a much bigger way to or a different way to look at that and how it can come together to reach that because it is it's a it's a something that is one that I'm not gifted with or I believe anybody else is gifted with to, you know, whether we have a million followers on Twitter or Facebook or wherever. Those social tribes after 100 150 year like I don't know who the heck that person is that I've connected to and I really don't have any connection to them. But maybe one of my 150 close connections has also a close connection to them in some ways we're similarly aligned. In that message transfer that mission or vision transfer sometimes the message gets diluted or it's not as crisp and clean as the vision that we think it is. But sometimes not specifically on on this, what you brought up in your story about the lady at the airport as article that just came out from the forum today from the World Economic Forum weekly newsletter that I get in Denver, they did a study where they were sending police officers out to address complaints. They send out health care workers and the statistics, the data on on these calls and how much better response there was because there was more empathy there was more connection to those people one on one where we tried to figure out what was the emotional and physical status what was the mental status of that person, instead of presenting with a gun and, and this authoritative or this criticism or critique of skepticism which a police officer, which is unnecessary for an 80 year old woman, going to visit her family who's unarmed, just because she's from some certain place is not the right. The right face forward to those type of interactions with people instead when we present them somebody with a bulletproof vest and a gun on and in a very authoritative and different type of presence. There's fear that emerges there's all sorts of other things that emerge where it makes it so difficult to communicate or to find out those things. And I'm not saying the health care workers right but maybe it's someone, a teacher a learner, someone who presents wisdom or some kind of another person exactly like you whether that's a health care person, professional or a global citizen or an advocate or, you know, whatever the term is, that sees the person as they are tries to understand the differences tries to say hey, we're all on the same planet together you're a homo sapien like I am there's no doesn't matter where you're from we're all we're all distant cousins and in some degree there's very little separation of us, and I want to understand and help you. And as that occurs, there's a form of this symbiotic earth or this homo symbiosis that emerges where where we have a much different view. A different cognitive shift in awareness, a different form of consciousness, where we connect to not only our earth but to our distant cover cousins and say what why are we fighting against why are we blocking each other off let's, let's help and do it in a positive way and so I thought that was interesting whether that the police officers were that that way or not there's there's a certain type of just adherent methods that we're sending when we're sending military or police officers at all to to speak to somebody in that manner sets a different tone and that's what they specifically realized out of this, this article in the study that they did in Denver, Colorado, is that the amount of deaths went down, and the amount of problems that they had with a jailing or imprisoning people from contacts with police officers went down one out of four connections and the majority of those were racial type of issues with blacks and people of other languages cultures and different appearances than the majority of police. Marcello it's really been amazing so far, we could spend hours to days discussing and I know when you know, in the different events we've been and we have taken quite a bit of time together to talk and get into the depth of things and that's why I really appreciate you being on the show and getting into the depth and substance of this and removing bias and getting into sense making that's so important to me. I have this is really the hardest question that I have for you today. This is the burning question. WTF. And a lot of people are, oh, yeah, I've been saying that a lot these past, you know, 11 months, but it's not the swear word. It's, what's the future. You surely kept the easiest questions for last right. The future is, whatever we're willing to define in the sense that humans have so much potential that is being wasted for the silliest reasons right usually ignorance and not ignorance in a bad way ignorance as in not knowing and we all ignorant about most things that are out there to learn. And I believe that the answer of what's the future is going to be very closely correlated to our ability to understand ourselves it's the oldest saying and the philosophers book rights know that's been probably around for the last 5000 years or so. And it is something that most people don't try to do in a proactive way. They always trying to run the treadmill that tends to be very much manipulated by media and you can get into big advertising. We're really easy to manipulate, but not if we know ourselves is in today. I was rushing around trying to get things done. And I could tell because of certain things that have done in the past that was just wrong. I can know why am I feeling stressed when in fact there should be enjoying the fact that I can do so much in a single day in a beautiful place like Venice without the tourists mean this is just incredible and you barely hear any language on the streets other than Italian I've been here for close to a week now.  Those are very useful and very powerful seconds so it's very much worth doing that. So the ability to understand your path and how much of it you're controlling yourself and the decisions that you're making because someone else is nudging you because they make money out of it or they get more power or they have more influence. It's okay to do that if you want to give them money what to give them power allow them to be more influential that's fine but make sure that you're making a conscious choice and that is an area of eternal improvement they can always know more we can always make better connections in the fields of our knowledge and I think that the element of gratitude the element of curiosity the element of caring like no try to treat every single person you meet as if it's your potential best friend and I know that it sounds a bit foolish but I remember when I was in my early 20s traveling in Brazil was born and grew up in Rio was traveling far from there and can't quite recall what was the situation but I had to ask for directions no GPS back then and there was a postman right so very simple person he just extremely healthy you know postman actually going post so means the guys were in the distribution centers the postman was walking miles and miles every day they tend to be totally fine with what they're doing they don't go post for all and a postman he'll know for sure where to go and he couldn't speak very eloquently he didn't have the fancy words but he was so helpful he deeply cared and that triggered on me the carrying back so it's like hey I remember a few years ago I saw this ranking of the approval rates by Brazilians on multiple services and the post office was up there with 90 plus percent approval because they're really good right at least used to be back then and I shared a story with him and he had a smile 50 for missing and no but the smell to stay there and he was so proud of what he was doing like I gave him a gift that probably stayed with him for longer than that day and that got us into the conversation was asking me why are you so good like what drives you what's your motivation that leads you into being the number one of course politicians where the last nothing new there but I was surprised like also services okay not like I can see why but no you are the expert right you barely got any primary schooling probably don't have any certificates or whatever but please teach me I can lighten me what makes you so good and that conversation lasted a long time with someone that usually never interact with so really hope that people will see other humans as the potential best friends even if that friendship is going to be a very short one right now I was moving around traveling in my country but it was very powerful and it leads me into closing my argument here that could be called an argument with my favorite poem a favorite poet is a Brazilian author of Vinicius and what I used to be a diplomat and wrote amazing books and he actually wrote the girl of eponema right that he is the author of the lyrics and one of his poems he says he had many love adventures and it was an extremely bright man and very charming and he sent a letter to one of his friends saying that our love may not last forever but it shall be eternal while it lasts and I really hope that as humans we can love other humans for short period of time but make it good make it intense and make it worth it. Oh I love that that's been one of the best answers I've ever received off of that question thank you so much more so if there was one message you could depart to my listeners as a sustainable takeaway that has the power to change their life what would it be your message. Teach. Like teach whatever know learn how to be a teacher because by teaching others you're learning and it restructures the way you look at the topic you thought to renew so much about myself just given a lecture to an MBA class in Mumbai. Call the in pursuit of a life worth living because as you know, I do certain crazy things like fasting for longer than Buddha and then climbing Mont Blanc which is the highest mountain in the Alps, like a month later and the fact that I had to talk to MBA students first in the early 20s and they have bright futures and so many possibilities in life. Force me to structure my thoughts like I had to prepare the presentation the day before because I just couldn't get it done. It was stuck somewhere is like how can I get the message across and it turned out to be a presentation about six words. I picked three words from ancient Greek, three words from more modern Greek in fact the neologisms they're not created by Greeks they just use the Greek components, and that allowed me to share those stories in a very cogent structured and useful way. And you know what, those thoughts are not very clear to me because someone asked me to teach others. So let's say, whatever you're doing make sure that you teach others if you think is worth teaching. Well, go to a group and propose me what to do with my accelerator literally is asking hundreds of people to share the wisdom stories. So it's very, very focused. Like, imagine that hey you're talking to yourself as a 15 year old for 10 minutes what would you talk about. But is incredibly varied right so I think that if people had the mentality of teachers on the daily lives, they will benefit in so many different ways so my answer is just the word teach me. What should young innovators in your field be thinking about if they're looking for ways to make a real impact. Impact is very personal right so you can measure certain things and sadly money is used to measure success because it's easy to count those easier to keep score. But I really hope that whatever they decide to do they do it from a perspective of value and value is not money right money is just an incarnation of value. And it's also a way of trading one value into another and the impact is usually maximized when you focus on something that you deeply care about. So one of the things we want to do with wisdom accelerator as a phase two so we continue with the online sessions and do the live sessions as well. But we want to give them a minimum framework that to give them good choices for them to pursue if they wish to do so. And that would be true mentorship so they want to impact value, learn from someone has been doing this for a long time. So one of my sneaky tricks of inviting hundreds of speakers is that I'm going to get back to you guys saying hey would you like to be a mentor and commit one hour a month or so every three months and talk about snow food technologies in your case and so many other things that you could be talking about. And that way you have those mentorship groups and the teenagers are interested in food they'll be joining a session once a month will be trying choosing many sessions that are relevant and resonates to what they're trying to learn. So you want to have impact learn from people have been there for me it sounds so obvious but most people don't do that. There's a good friend of mine John P Strelicki wrote a bunch of books but he says find the who find the person who is already doing that who has done it who's written about it who's the expert, and then get that value from them follow their example their mentorship and I think that's very similar to what what you're seeing as well I totally agree. So that this is one element the mentorship element to that we try to structure now. The second one is internships right. Give value, give value first. So what we want to do is from when the participants are 1314 they can start joining those mentorship groups from when they're 1617. They can join internships that could be done virtually. So you live in New Zealand you want to work with artificial reality no problem there's a company of Silicon Valley that has lots of micro tasks in terms of a marketing research or data entry or some sort of analysis. You can do like a few hours a week a few hours a month, you get the title of internship you have responsibilities because you're signing a contract that your parents go signing as your supervisors. And you're giving them the value in the sense of the labor right you're helping them out. And you're learning from that and they respect you for that and then you get something can put in a university application form of down three internships and three super interesting industries, but give the value first. And the third one is entrepreneurship. So I call that my wisdom fleet because it has three ships. No mentorship internship entrepreneurship and entrepreneurship is a lot of senses like broadest possible perspective of if you're an artist.  So, one thing that we want to do after the participants have gone through mentorships and internships they're doing well they seem to be ready to go to the next level as soon as they're 18 and maybe even before if the parents went to back them, they can apply for grants and funding from angel investors like a micro venture capital fund. And if they want to set up a company doing something like services which you can do remotely wonderful they want to do drop shipping and start. That level of trading. Also amazing right so make sure that you're learning from people who have been there before that it give value first so that they keep on getting involved and you can go deeper into the relationship. And make sure that you understand what you want to achieve by yourself and ask for help, but only ask for help when it can show to people I am serious right I've been doing this since I was 13. I've gone to many mentorships feedback has been great both from my side and their side and then I got to a few internships. Now I'm asking for money to paint this ugly wall because it benefits my neighborhood. I have a track record of getting stuff done and being capable of working with older people who are willing to help the next generations. And with this little wisdom fleet. I'm hoping that's a model that can be copied by many people around the world and there's a multi year journey has no walk in a park but I believe that this is how we're going to have better humans in the future. I love it. What have you experienced or learned in your professional life and journey so far that you would have love to know for the stuff from the start. I think that know thyself is the most important one. And you always think that you know yourself until you challenge your body and your minds to a much higher degree.  And I didn't know. Right. And it could be anything.  In a way that generates value long term. I wish I had challenged myself more at a younger age, which is exactly why I created a wisdom accelerator so it can have those teenagers realizing that they have incredible power and Curiously, we created a concept around three years ago.  Yes.  We're trying to figure out how can a scale magic. How can you make sure that magic is part of the life of every single teenager on the planet if they're ready if they're looking for it. Right. It's not the push ball thing is basically like we're here like we don't sell we're marketing this is a nonprofit structure where you can become wiser if you choose to do so. Once they realize that they're capable of doing certain things because they have the right level of support for public speaking for becoming entrepreneurs for whatever it is. They will have much greater boundaries like they will feel so much more confident kind of like wow this really seems to be very difficult. But that's fine. I mean, when I decided to summit Montblanc solo, like from the hardest starting point with the Chamonix Valley. The view of the goal was very obvious you're getting to the summit right you enjoying the summit I was not rushing there sticking a gazillion pictures was the last person to come down from the summit to have some sunset shots. I've been doing rock climbing for 10 years so I know when it's safe when it's less safe. So, please don't do something that is going to put you in an unsafe situation, whatever it is, but the fact that you can create a space where teenagers and that sort of focus can try certain things. I say they're trying to do the equivalent of climbing Montblanc, please don't in fact wouldn't even be allowed to because it'd be legal to try to do that.  You have achieved something that 99.99% of other teenagers, in this case or basically people in general have never done. Right, so be proud of what you achieved, understand why you couldn't go further. And also that there are certain things that you can do like when you're tired, learn to rest not to give up, like if the aim is worth achieving, make sure that it give yourself the best shot at doing that. And also understand that most of the greatest things that humanity has done in the past. It was not easy right away. It's basically a layer upon layer of learnings and failings and everything else. And the biggest concern I have with society is that everything needs to be immediate instant gratification. And this is terrible. And that's something that hopefully putting people in the situation where they struggle, but they learn, they will learn that struggle is part of the journey. In fact, no, they are the bricks that build that house. I agree. That is really all the questions that I have for you today, Marcelo, but was there anything that you wanted to let my listeners know or something that we didn't get a touch upon that you'd like to mention before we say goodbye. I would like to congratulate you and thank you for having those sessions. I know that you connected with really interesting people and it's awesome that you're sharing and caring, trying to get a message across. And also like to mention that anyone who would like to join our sessions every month is like during the last weekend of the month. We have a full weekend with lots of speakers talking about what made them wiser faster in the past. And we also have the events that are planning for 2022 so anyone who's interested in joining your sessions can go to their website is wisdom accelerator.org. One of the online sessions we do every month is neoay.org. You have the program there and we do have a YouTube channel which is in beta right now but have those kinds of talks that people can benefit from. So thank you so much for getting the message out there and that again is free, we're a non-profit and the more the merrier. Thank you so much Marcelo. It's been a sure pleasure and I wish you a wonderful rest of your day and I hope we see each other live very soon. Give you a big hug and get back into some even in person deep dives. Thanks so much. Likewise, thank you so much.