Okay. Oh, that works. We have six and I don't know what it is. Yeah, six. It's six and a bonus. The bonus is, uh, oh I've taught myself into a corner and I don't know what to do Did anybody watch that first video of him the like the first interview you did? I think the most fascinating part about that is the lycanthropy Um zoological study on that because that guy with the what's his name bob nap or something Oh, yeah I think they caught him was here filming him halfway between his transition from human to werewolf It looks like wolfman jack or something, right? Yeah, it's like his he's like his nephew or something Yeah, but he is to uh wolfman jack, but mark is to ozzy osbowl All right, here we go I'm scott rouse from a body language expert in analyst I train law enforcement in the military the interrogation by language and i'm also a trial consultant chase They have chase hughes have written a best-selling book on behavioral profiling. I teach behavioral profiling Enhanced influence intelligence operations and psychological warfare. I'm also a trial consultant here in the united states Excellent great Greg Hartley i'm a former army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor I've written a bunch of books on body language and behavior and I spend most of my time in corporate american and wall street Mark I'm mark bodin. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language I help people all over the world to stand out win trust and gain credibility every time they communicate Excellent. Well this today. We're going to talk about uh bob lazar And uh, I'll play a little a little clip ahead of this to show everybody who he is And it's just a real brief rundown of what's going on and why he's of interest not only to us But apparently a whole bunch of people that watch our other videos of his report George nap introduces us to a local man with an amazing and Disturbing story george gary and mary ruth that we've been working on the story for a long time And we'll tell you right up front that it's going to be hard to swallow at first Lazar's story is by any standards fantastic He says he's telling it in order to protect himself He says he was hired to work at an area called s4 at s4. He says are flying saucers antimatter reactors and other working examples of technology that is seemingly beyond human capabilities Right this this came from somewhere else. I mean as a bizarre as that is to believe but I mean it's there I saw it. I know what the current state of the art is and in in physics and It's it can't be done. All right. Well, let's get to the first question or the first uh video And go from there But what did you do while you were there if you if you're looking at this object this Reactor and you can't figure out what it is or how it works other than the fact that it works on this Element that we don't even know about sure. I mean the thing was to what you do and you know With anything if you're trying to analyze it all you can do is perform tests And all we did is try and come up with every kind of test we possibly could I mean we tested, you know It it violated a lot of what we thought was impossible to violate I mean one of the first laws of thermodynamics. I mean essentially Any machine any device that operates always makes extra heat nothing works at 100 efficient Even the headphones you're wearing any surround the gate The thing that bothers me here as we're seeing somebody who is over the years He's mastered redirection in other words. You'll ask him a question. He won't give the answer He'll give you he'll he'll talk about some stuff and gray always points this out And I think he pointed this out to begin with he brings in information that has nothing to do with the answer And it's a lot more Something you may not know about be aware of when he's when he asks him what did he do there the next thing? You know, you're talking about Thermodynamics and he's talking about and he says I'm one thing that bothered me He said one of the first laws of thermodynamics. There are three of them traditionally and the first one talks about what he's talking about the two types of heat When you get into details of that, but that just shows that he's he's redirecting He does this quite often when he's in a spot like that. We also see what I Call loping when someone's talking. They're just they're talking There's a thing on Netflix now called unsolved mysteries and unsolved mysteries. There's some some people who've been Picked up by UFO. They claim that and there's an old woman on there that's talking And if she's not telling the truth It freaks me out because that's the most honest looking UFO story I've ever heard in my life And hers is what she talks. It's loping when you see that when you hear her talking So that's what really bothers me with that. We seem to do mercy hands Which is a lot of times you'll see him do this in frame But when he's down like this, you'll see his thumb's turn and mercy hands Or when you say when you hold your hands up and say have mercy you gotta believe god Please believe me. You've got to have mercy. I need to believe me So we're seeing a little bit of that as well. We see it a couple times throughout these things. We'll be looking at and then What else did I get? Yeah, I think that's uh That's good. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so I'm already starting to work on eye base lining here. Now. Here's the interesting piece He's told this story so many times.  He's a right eye Recall so when his eyes are moving to his right, he's doing recall By the way, about 90 the population goes the opposite direction for some kind of recall and all of his is rote It's all auditory if you guys remember me telling you you can't have a cover story because everything is auditory and binary And there are no visual cues no visual cues here if you notice it's all in the same place where it's auditory or visual He gets asked a question. What did you do? Good job? Joe Rogan?  I would say a tested magnetism tested Electricity tested heat tested you could list any one of a number of things that a physicist would talk about instead he goes And he starts to move into what I call mark. I mean Scott you had a dead on redirect But I call it chaff and redirect because he just starts to puke information Until he gets to a common denominator and sees that you understand it And then when he gets down to that level then he redirects And it's an age old thing once I get something as factual that you believe I can throw out a lead that will cause you to pick up the next question That starts me down the path of really starting to pay attention to his eyes and those pieces And I'll loop back to this later in the in the show because I want you To pay attention to what he's doing to you when he's telling the story Excellent chase. What do you got? So we saw the redirect and he doesn't really answer the question and a rule for you guys watching If you ever redirect a story make it really interesting Because if it's interesting It'll be great And it's a lot a lot easier to get the story across or get the answer out If it's interesting which his his was I was riveted by this learning about this this alien machine One thing you said scott when his hands are like this you said mercy hands I think in in that instance, he was trying to say that this is impossible And I think his hands were open just to express I have no idea what's going on here And maybe just kind of a surrender palm exposure kind of a thing And one thing we see him do jill rogan asked a question. What did you do? He starts with the pronoun well, you have to do this and when you see something like this You have to investigate it and he immediately makes a shift to we we we I don't think one time in that segment that we just watched That he mentions himself He never stammers before he says anything What did you do? This is the the pivotal moment in this guy's life But he can't think of what he did for a good seven seconds And the key one of the keys here for jill rogan was he doesn't say anything He's got he's like we were always wishing they would just shut up He's not trying to talk every five seconds So he just waits for that answer and he just keeps puking Whole time. Anyway, sorry about that chase. Sorry very true. Yeah And there's so many clients out there that teach deception detection that don't teach you how to ask questions Which really pisses me off Because you can be you can be like all of us watching body language There's not a whole i'll be the first one to say it in this statement. We just watched there's not a whole lot of deception There's maybe some memorization, which could be a truthful story, but he's he's made sure that he's got everything straight But deception really comes out when we can do things On our side to raise the stakes Increase the anxiety about lying to us And we're doing other things to question tiny parts of the story where he doesn't know whether or not We know the answer to something or not like a bait question, which we've we've talked about in a previous video So chase I would I'll push back just one little bit here when you say there's no deception I think there's deception, but I don't think it's the classic kind where you try to lie your way out of something I think it's He's trying to come up with an answer and he doesn't and then he redirects and redirecting to me is deception Right. I would I would say that's deception. I didn't say there's no deception I said there's not a whole lot because I typically look for a cluster or a group of Several indicators that absolutely I would absolutely say that that is an indicator of deception But there's not a whole lot to stack up here But so there there is a likelihood that there is some deception here for sure Excellent mark Yeah, so a great job by Joe Rogan there, but Bob Lazar is quite masterful at this It's pretty well practiced at this. Here's what I see him doing and it's the kind of stuff I'd train people to do we do have those open palm gestures Which are used to go you can believe me I'm being honest with you because I've I've got no tools no weapons nothing in my hands I'm a low risk person to be around So he's already starting this piece around i'm low risk You can trust me essentially now. Here's what he does He goes big violating the first law of thermodynamics if all All you can do is perform tests on something that violates one of the pivotal laws of universal physics Then all bets are off from now on Like nothing can now conform to our usual idea about anything and it means that anything down the road that I might want to poke at and provoke at My mind is now it's got it's got nothing to latch on to anymore And and that's either true Or false either we do have something in the universe that does not comply To the universal laws or it's not true But if we buy into it's true, it means we can't poke at the story anymore It's it's a great Opening gambit on this and it and it's masterful. I would say Excellent. I'll tell you one more thing that bothers me about this is when he's talking about the three the the First law or the first laws of thermodynamics. Like I said before There are only three if he's supposed to be such an awesome physicist he wouldn't say One of the first because there's only three you're gonna say number one two or three That was the traditional ones. There are a couple more That's the part that's part that bugs me a lot there and then chase I agree with you on your part where you're saying it's impossible But if you'll watch you'll see the hands go down See if I do it you see those hands turn right over in there as well Watch that again if you get a chance or when you flip around and you'll see that's the part I was talking about And I will say that I have some bias here I want there to be aliens me too I will man me to buddy discover some stuff I want one of the some guy who gets elected president He's gonna read through these files and be like holy crap. I've got to tell everybody That's one of the first things I would do. Maybe one of the reasons I'm not president That'd be the first thing I do I'll be like, all right. Come on meeting in my office.  Bring it all in here So, I mean I watched the movie interstellar. I cried So many times during this movie I was really into that stuff and I want there to be aliens. So me watching this. I've got to admit my bias I want to believe him look I want there to be something else because it means they've cooperated to be this smart to get here We seem to not be able to cooperate about what's good for dinner So it would be a great thing and I think that's human nature to want that All of us here probably would love to see something There are things that I believe do I believe there are UFOs? Yeah, the navy has got some great footage of things that we can't explain That doesn't mean that I have to believe his story to believe that story That's a piece that we need to keep separate as we go through this, right? Yeah But what did you do while you were there if you if you're looking at this object this Reactor and you can't figure out what it is or how it works Other than the fact that works on this element that we don't even know about sure I mean the thing was to What you do and you know With anything if you're trying to analyze it all you can do is perform tests And all we did is try and come up with every kind of test we possibly could I mean we tested, you know It it violated a lot of what we thought was impossible to violate I mean one of the first laws of thermodynamics I mean essentially any machine any device that operates always makes extra heat Nothing works at 100 efficient Even the headphones you're wearing anything. All right, everybody good Yeah, let's move on Now you said there's nine of them and you got a brief glimpse at the other ones where the how are they different? Oh They looked completely different one looked like I called a jello mold and it It looked like a classic jello mold with the rippled sides to it. One was a very flat disc You know like a Oh, I don't like a straw hat or something like that that was sitting up on its edge And the thin part of it had it looked like a projectile had been fired through The edge of it So I don't know if they were attempting to see if the metal could be penetrated Or if something or if that's where the thing came from Maybe it was shot down But that was the only one where I saw there was you know actual physical damage to it And that one was roughly the same size. They're all they were kind of too far away to tell All right, Greg you want to go first? Yeah, so I'll just hit a couple of these Here's him telling a story that he's doing rote. Remember I told you and you're going to see in later video I'm going to see him making up details when he first starts the story and he's up visual cues In the left side of his head and all that here. It's all rote It's all to his right right in the center writing what I typically refer to as As the sound processing portion of your face between your brow ridge and your cheekbone somewhere in there And he's accessing he'll rote. He'll come back. He may make eye contact He knows this story inside out. He's been telling us for 30 years He's the susan luci of the ufo world. I mean he's been doing the same role for so long He's got it down. And so he's giving these details There's a couple interesting pieces here when he's asked is there any damage? Yes, there's one that has a four or five inch hole.  I don't care how far away I am from it I can extrapolate. Hey, it's this big and it's 150th of this But he says it's 52 feet and then he goes on to talk about How he knows what size these things are But here he is dancing around the topics. He's ready for that for the questions they're going to answer And he's just hitting road bump bump bump That's important because I want you to pay attention to he's always always always we talk about baseline He's always recalling to his right always you may ask him a probing question He may go down to his left as he's having internal conversation Nothing is ever up here. Nothing nothing is ever any place but here or here or straight on And it's really key here that you pay attention to this rote as we move forward And I'll leave the rest to you guys because there's a ton in here But for me, that's the most important piece. We locked down right here. Okay mark. Where do you go? Yeah, so I was telling you guys earlier. I've been working with somebody who's been sending me video of them talking about a virtual experience and and there's some huge similarities around how they talk about that virtual experience And how they talk about real experiences that they've had and you could look at this person and go I think they're telling the truth and they are telling a truth of of sorts But how I know that it didn't really happen is that there's inconsistencies in the story The story doesn't make sense for the world as I know it now. Lazare is clever because he's invoked The first law of thermodynamics doesn't it doesn't work anymore. So all bets are off But let me just tell you what is inconsistent with the way I know the universe works I know that the universe has a level of consistency to it when I look at human beings They're roughly two arms two legs and a head in roughly the same place as me when I'm spotting aeroplanes And and I've seen some craft which are which are pretty new and pretty exciting They've got wings and they've got a tail and there's there's there's stuff there and and chase. I know, you know, you were in the navy If I know there are lots of different ships or boats out there, but my guess would be Is everyone that you've seen has had some form of a hull There is a consistent raise of the eyebrows there and he's giving me a A little slow blink there to say, yeah, they roughly all have a hull and even the ones that come out of the water The hull comes out of the water as the as the aqua planes lift it out. Here's what is interesting There's nine different craft and they're all completely Different they're all completely different I would suggest the universe doesn't work like that. They would have some massive similarities to them massive similarities They'd have more similarities than they'd ever have Differences because that's the way the universe works But here's the problem That theory doesn't work anymore because the first law of thermodynamics wasn't even functioning within this lot So you can now come back at me and go warm up Just the universe when we're around these aircraft these ships these craft The fundamental laws of physics do not apply anymore and that's a brilliant way That means that I can't touch this story I can't nudge this story I can't find the inconsistency in it because the fundamental laws aren't there And if I was trying to get somebody to be unable to crack my story The first thing I'd do is hit a fundamental law And and keep taking them back to that to say normal rules don't apply on this one. Anyway, that's that's my end on that one Well, that's good chase for you yet I look for truth signals So on here, let's start with that The way that he is using his rote memory as as greg said and granted I think greg for all four of us and probably Thousands of our listeners has sold us And just even us and we're experts in the field. I've been sold more than I ever have been before on the eye movement thing So we're seeing him go to home on a regular basis. He's just looking that direction But the use of what I call body narration Where he's narrating the story and he's talking about the craft and the circles in it and and using his eyes and Looking at his hands, which is important for body narration So somebody's describing something and their hands are just doing this and they say oh it was massive Versus someone looking at it's just this massive space and their eyes and hands move together He has that Which is a is a pretty solid truth signal One of the things that we see that might be deceptive here in In agreement with both of you guys that he's invoked this thing It is completely different all these crafts were completely different in another video He says they were slightly different in the video. He did back in the 80s. He describes them a little differently and That's kind of all we're seeing here We're seeing eyes and body move together in unison, which is a good truth signal, but we're also seeing If he was doing some kind of a visual recall of what these things look like His eyes probably wouldn't move to the exact same direction that he remembers Getting a phone call So guys just to give you an example all of you watching you've watched one more of our videos Think of the first time you saw us which direction were each of us in And where were we on the panel just think for a minute of that think of Andrew think of the thing that you remember most about it and watch your eyes dance around your head They're going to move to a visual accessing cube mark. You just did it your eyes moved up They moved up into your into the visual cortex can't go into the back of your head So they start looking up to try to find space guys. This is human behavior. It's why we know when a story is full of it Excellent All right, well you guys covered pretty much everything what I'll do is and I want to say this about When we're giving people tips and we're saying here's what's happening here For example the other day when chase said here's a tier some tips on whatever it was he was saying We got a comment where somebody said why is chase giving you all tips on this and that the tips we give Art for each other, right? We're giving it. We do this so we can teach people how to do what we're doing It's they can see things Pop out what we're talking about that we talked about they'll see those and understand what they are So we say here's a tip on this or like what greg just did But you preface it with with it's for everybody that's watching or the person watching That's what we're doing. So when one of us says here's a tip. It's for you. It's not for us But we are learning from each other. Yeah, I'll take all the help I can get same here We learned for me for sure. I learned something and what's good about using four people We all approach this from a different angle and you know, it keeps us from doing something that is just Oh, yeah, and oh, yeah, and I think we will find things that are different So I think that's an important point though, Scott. This is for you not for us Yeah, exactly because here are a couple of tips Let's talk about illustrators for a minute illustrators are the The gestures you make with your hand with your eyebrows with your with your body when your brain is trying to emphasize specific words and phrases like I just did just say specific words and phrases if I were to say specific words and phrases and my Illustrators don't hit on those words. Then there's there's an issue there something's not as it should be So that's what we're seeing here when he's describing the damage that's done on this on the ship or on the craft as he calls it. So we see that and then his illustrators Most of them are right on the money, but those that aren't start dealing around that the uh The damage and he also when he says he talks about the damage He pushes it away as he's talking about it too. He starts as illustrators that works his way down But then he starts it looks like he's pushing away like he's pushing away as some people would say he's pushing away the you know the false the deception Whether you believe that or not. I don't know But so that's what we're seeing what we're seeing there and that's what sort of bugs me about that is is seeing that And so I'm not So it lets me know if I were to see someone tell me that if I was in an interrogation situation I would know it wouldn't mean they're lying or telling the truth. I would just know they're unsure about that information You know, I work in business as much as anything and when I'm sitting across the table from someone and I hear them throw a word away I want to know their commitment. I'll probe and say, why don't you throw that away? What do you really mean by that because you're right? It doesn't have to be an interrogation We all do this in the real world too. I get I've had people ask me. Well, isn't the real world different from interrogation? No, it's not Actually, it is much more useful in the real world than when I'm sitting across from you and looking scary If I'm a normal guy talking to you not that I'm a normal guy, but if I'm a normal guy talking to you Then it's a lot Easier for me to use these tools and scott. I think you're dead on there. That's the key All right, thanks Now you said there's nine of them and you got a brief glimpse at the other ones where the how are they different? Oh They looked completely different one looked like I called a jello mold and it It looked like a classic jello mold with the rippled sides to it. One was a very flat disc You know like a Oh, I don't like a straw hat or something like that that was sitting up on its edge And the thin part of it had it looked like a projectile had been fired through The edge of it So I don't know if they were attempting to see if the metal could be penetrated Or if something or if that's where the thing came from maybe it was shot down Um, but that was the only one where I saw there was you know actual physical damage to it And that one was roughly the same size. They're all they were kind of too far away to tell All right, uh, ready good. Yeah There were nine total I only got to Essentially work back engineer analyze one of the craft But there was a separate hangar for each of the crafts and uh, each one was essentially different Uh in its visual appearance Did anybody take over every US Navy intelligence got the craft from? No No, not at all. That's uh, a lot of people have speculated about it that they were either shot down or they crashed Uh but The craft seemed undamaged so I doubt either of those would be correct. All right chase. What do you got? So we see something here that I think is I'll give you the truthful part first Back in this video. He's doing this I haven't calculated the number of years A couple of decades prior 20 years somewhat prior to his appearance on Joe Rogan Same story Different words That speaks to truth Same story same words is more likely to be a rehearsed story The deceptive part that I see in this interview if someone looks away not just with their eyes, but with their skull So we see eyes and skull looking together As they're looking away. They're retrieving some data or experiencing some kind of feeling That's when they'll start talking In this video, we see A eye and head break away and then he looks back to deliver the information So I think this is the deliberate recall of something that he has memorized that is not truthful Excellent Greg what do you got? Yeah, so you're starting now to see number one. Yes chase while I agree with you He is saying the same words. He's using different facts. This is in direct contradiction to what he says to Rogan There was damage in one of these aircraft. Well, he hasn't been there since before this So there's a fact issue right here. You can't have you can't have multiple facts in one story that part I have a problem with number one just on the on its face But watch him. I believe and I think this is 2009 waiting to we're going to go back to 1989 as well Which is his first time and you're going to see him building his story that thing that the susan luci role He's playing now that he's played for 30 years that he knows that role inside out Is building and every time he's probed and poked he's coming up with more detail So that by the time he gets to Joe Rogan, he is much more believable Which is why if you watch Joe Rogan and you thought hey, this guy's the real deal I I don't doubt it when you first look at it with face value without understanding His eyes are moving to the same spot constantly that he has developed this story over 30 years And he's playing Erica over and over and over You don't get the This piece of it.  He missed his calling or maybe didn't He's a master storyteller. I wish I believed him because like you said, I really want to believe this I want to believe we got some some little guys who are telling us how to do the world better sitting in a cave somewhere I just don't think so Yeah, that's great I'm the thing about the moving around the chair and he's nodding every time he starts talking about the Nine ships now that he's given that confirmation of yeah, and he's dead eye on this guy And he's also wiggling around his chairs. He's doing it. So it shows a little bit nervous about it But same time try and make sure he sells it well You know, that's all I've got you guys got everything mark. Where do you go? Yeah, so one of the things you might want to do if you if you're looking for somebody And and that they may be nervous around deceit is put them in a chair that moves easily Because you will find they'll start swinging on that thing. They'll tip it around They'll do all kinds of stuff if you've given them furniture where they can lock themselves in really hard They'll be looking more calm and assertive in this one. We don't get the super calm and assertive, you know Modern bob Lazar. We've got a mid-period Bob Lazar here, uh, you know the artist known as and and he's doing a great job But we we've got we've got some of those Vocal ticks coming in which again is is it gives him time to come up with his stories still making a sound It clears the the throat there because it's getting a bit dries under stress and pressure So um and look out for that rhythm as well. Think about uh scott's idea there of the of the loping You know, it's got a rhythm. It's got a a smooth gallop to it. It suddenly gets Very sticky in areas around this now We do see it in in some of the stuff with with joe rogan It does hit he does hit that again And and what he does and again, this is a beautiful technique that you must pay attention to What he does is he starts to say that he's got a migraine When he gets off his story Starts to say i've got a migraine and he's already prepared this because he's told everybody in the studio and his partner there That there's a migraine going on. It's very like Urie Geller used to do urie geller if it was going wrong for him would say i don't feel strong tonight. I don't feel strong And and migraines though we we do know a lot about why they exist and how you get them It's one of those things you can't touch. You can't go come on man. It's just a migraine Like come on pull yourself together. It's just a migraine the moment somebody says i've got a migraine We all you know back off and go okay, okay, well all Yeah, absolutely Great don't don't interrogate me now. I've got a migraine. Can you you know take it easy on me? Yeah, of course, of course you'd still go for it Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up in that he's he's using the mid period He's doing pretty well certainly a lot better than we we see in the early period Where we will start to see the mouth really moving about all over the place But check in with that some of that joe rogan stuff To see where he starts to invoke the idea of i'm not in good physical or mental shape right now And that's why you might feel there's some inconsistency in my ideas That's my take on it Yeah, and I know that uh that chase and grego agree with with me on this because uh in interrogation training When you talk about when someone's sitting market it around the on the nail in the head The dream situation for someone they're sitting situation is a chair that swivels over the wheels on it I mean that's that's that's uh That just that'd be wonderful It was like if we made that the law because that you learned so much from that You know a lot of times if i'm doing if I get to do a lot of uh And financial things and so in those rooms they've got those those really nice chairs And you sit there and talk to they're wiggled all over the place and that leg gets to go It's uh, it's beautiful. So yeah mark. Yeah, you nailed that There were nine total, uh, I only got to Do Essentially work back engineer analyze one of the craft But there was a separate hanger for each of the crafts and uh each one was essentially different Uh in its visual appearance Did anybody take you over every US Navy intelligence got the craft from? No No, not at all. That's uh a lot of people have speculated about it that they were either shot down Or they crashed But uh The craft seemed undamaged. So I doubt either of those would be correct. Is everybody good? Yeah Let's move on one of the nine flying disks He says he saw at the base which was designated s4 looks exactly like this ufo Photographed in europe lazar called it the sport model. I gave everything simple names There's a the top hat one and you know, I the jello mold and uh, the sport model operated You know without any hitches at all. I mean it looked new If I can if I know what a new flying zazer looks like, um One of them looked like it was hit with some sort of projectile.  I know you guys got a ton of stuff about this one But uh, when he didn't when he talks about the specifics of the hole We remember on the joe rogan one He talks about how this ship is on its edge and how you can see the he doesn't do this number Because he says it came from the bottom went up that he would have said from the side this way So that tells me that's an inconsistency there again. I want to believe this cast tell the truth But this shows me deception in the comparative view of the Past and the present Talking about that and he uses his hands to create to create that picture and like like as chase was saying before That's so important because he's he's building. I don't know if he's looking at him I didn't notice that but he's he's creating that picture in your mind So you'll have that As he tells the story that's why he's a good storyteller as well Greg because as he tells the story he builds it and he starts making pictures for you Again, we're building pictures for entrepreneurs one of the things you do is you want to build that A picture they can take out of their head and then go home and pop it in their wife's hand or their husband's hand Because they're gonna say did you what did you do what happened today? You're gonna invest in whatever it was I'm thinking about it. Yeah, why because if you're gonna put 300 grand or 1.2 million in that thing They've you got to be able to explain that to your person Yes, you got to be able to nail so they go. That sounds good to me Because you're not pitching to the husband of the wife or the other person You're pitching to that person and you've got to give him something to take home and that's what he's doing He's giving us some things to take home and think about later when you think about that whole not this But in the other one you thought it should have been that way if that makes sense All right chase. What do you got? I I I agree and I will say In disagreement with one thing that the building the pictures I would not classify as a strong deceptive behavior I speak like that naturally, you know, I write I write fiction So when I talk about stories, I want you I want you in it. So if I'm telling you about some cool party of telling you about the Toe in the kids on the on the boat in the tube I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get you in there as much as I can I'm going to talk about the wake and all the boats out there on the lake on the 4th of July All that's going to be in there And the inconsistency that that you pointed out scott In this video, I imagined a ground artillery unit shooting a five inch shell upward through the craft In his previous one on joe rogan, I imagined them performing this test in the lab from the side So I think that's a very Interesting thing to take note of it's a good data point here And I will and I've waited for who knows what reason to challenge greg On on the road and maybe I'm scared I've been reading greg for 10 years before I got to meet this guy. Here we go. Oh, you just think All right Memorization I think there is a possibility that this guy is brilliant as he is. I think he may be on the spectrum wait Wait till the next video So With this possibility This this rote memorization could be a result of him from the age of four Onward Building a mask and how people like to hear stories How do mom and dad what makes their eyebrows go up? What makes them squeeze me? All of this we're developing masks So he's just remembering techniques to communicate Instead of being deceptive and I'm just saying that that's a possibility. I'm not saying that there's an absence of deception And you know what so I accept the challenge and love that I I do think that there are anomalies, right? I would not say this is a guy doing this Except you'll see in the next few videos. He's not always been that way And once you memorize here's the problem guys cover stories cover stories I'm going to show you very quickly why cover story doesn't work when I remember something I remember the ninth word of the star spangled banner or the fifth word of stairway to heaven Whatever word it is and you're try to remember that watch your eyes 90 percent of you are going to go slightly up into your to your left 10 percent are going to slightly up Into your right. That's just the way we're wired. It's not absolute You have to figure it out in every person you're going to ask you another question Remember your kindergarten teacher. What did he or she look like watch your eyes dance up into your head as you recall A visual cue and it's going to be left or right. That's how we work. That's how we are wired. None of us do this We don't all go to the same auditory cue over and over and over But but and mark you being an acting coach and an actor.  They have words people who act internalize it and it comes out as part of who they are And so they feel and their eyes move and they sense and it's how you can tell a good actor from a bad one The people who just memorize lines They all go in and in in in in in because they're repeating the lines watch a bad actor on stage Go to a high school play and look for the good actors and the bad actors The bad ones are going to be staying there regurgitating Shakespeare With no feeling the guys who get it They're they're feeling what they're saying because they're internalizing it and so watch this guy Because what you're going to see is in his younger years When you ask him a question he doesn't know the answer to he's going to have to Go and make it up and his eyes are going to deviate dramatically from what he's doing on joe rogan watch And I think yes, there can be deviations and and I agree with you chase 100 percent A person can have an anomaly of a body language and you have to look for it That's why we looked for it and we got it. You'll see it Excellent chase. I agree with you on the on the part about when you're there you're building those things He knows that that's why he's creating that picture for you to take home I'm not a visual guy.  I'm an auditory guy. I love Stories that have to you both your points that have details because I don't care about looking at things I care about one to know what happened and how it went and that kind of thing So both you're right. I mean, it's about building that picture and I agree with you He knows that he's building a picture for you to take home. Scott. Yeah, I do. Yeah Mark, do you want to gang up on chase with us? No, not at all respond to that real quick But if if someone is memorizing a mask or building a mask They'll still go to a memorized line or a memorized pattern of behavior Which could make their eyes move in the same direction. Sure. Yeah But all all this memorization going the same place all the time Is why cover stories don't work because when I asked you what you did last Tuesday and you go to auditory memory Yeah, then we see a dvh Yeah, yeah You may be about to see Yeah, so I would say one of the biggest differences for me. This is Early artist Bob Lazar compared to the artist that we have right now Go and watch him now and there is a smoothness To it. There's a calm assertiveness to it rather like you get from a quality performer, okay in this Early early version it's super staccato and think about when chase was telling us about the wake of the boat and How smooth that was and yeah chase. I think your your accent is originally maybe Texan I'm not quite sure but but and Texan does have you know a smoothness to it But even so chase was elongating the words because he wanted to make sure that we really felt it as well Bob in this last video is super staccato. He's just trying to get Through it. Now what he does do in both of these Is is what we call nested loops where he starts a story doesn't finish it starts another doesn't finish it and then drops into something Where he finishes that and that what that causes us to do is to grab hold of anything That he that he gives us The u.s. Has a has a president at the moment which uses those same nested loops as well So we kind of go. What was that about? What was that? Oh that bit that bit I get and it gives a great deal of satisfaction And it means well We'll grab hold of elements of story that normally we'd go you what that's not that doesn't seem accurate to me so We've got to know that throughout This this this work that bob Lazar has been doing He's been skilled To an extent right from the start. It's just when he gets in front of joe rogan arguably Biggest show on earth Right now Like stakes are high and joe rogan needs to keep that high because joe rogan now has one of the best rating shows So of course you got to get bob Lazar on of course. It's like it's it's an act It's the act you got to get have bob Lazar on on the show And and at that point Bob's a serious player now a serious player And that's why when I look through the majority of how he's talking I think like like chase and I think like everybody else. I see some incredible elements of truth to it I'll be his champion here for just a second when he did say realm He did preface that what this is a very poor way to describe this But guys if you'll watch him I'll This is my only little snippet about him not about minding your your back and forth chase a couple of things He is moving around He is accessing his eyes are going up left that you don't see at any point in the joe rogan story Now either one of two things is true if he's recalling and his eyes are going here Then he is not recalling when he is going here So one or the other of those is deceptive And clearly deceptive and you don't have to believe an eye movement You just have to believe that baseline matters You don't have to believe that what I do works But you do have to believe that if a person always does this and they suddenly stop that means something We all believe that and you're going to find I'll give you a great thing to do on the rogan show Turn it on fast forward and turn the sound off and watch him touch his face I got a list of where he touches his face. They're all contentious issues That means something does it always mean something no But if he only does it when it's contentious it means something You know if if he watches this And then we see him again, we're going to be wow this cat. I'm in There are ufo's they're welcome to the show. We'd love to have you Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, that would be great, wouldn't it? Yeah, we'd love to see you and prove us wrong Yeah One of the nine flying discs He says he saw at the base which was designated s4 looks exactly like this ufo Photographed in europe lazar called it the sport model. I gave everything simple names. There's a the top hat one and you know the jello mold and The sport model operated You know without any hitches at all.  All right, everybody good. Yeah, that's move on So you were seeing what it could do which you couldn't ever figure out how it was doing it No, not really. I mean we really we really could only use a or come up with a best guess and And Now I can't say we really That I could absolutely state for certainly or certainty how anything actually worked All right. Greg you want to go first? Yeah, this one is a little different. He's asking my question a direct question. Did anybody hear an answer? No To me, this is a red flag kind of an answer and and there are quite a few of these in rogan's In his response to rogan he stammers and he's looking for space He stares at him. He moves his eyes around, but he really doesn't have anything to add back This is a follow-on. I think to hey, what did you do every day? But in this one, I don't see him answering anything. I see him deferring the question dancing around Pushing away and to your point mark. I think this is one of the places where he said I have a migraine and he backs away from it He puts up his force field Because he's just lost the ability to answer but again Look, if I'm thinking about how much work I put into something I would expect to see an emotional Or some other kind of a I put a lot of work into and we didn't discover anything There's a lot of inconsistencies in this whole story Among my favorites and you can take this out or leave it in is how did you turn the thing on?  If that's the case If you can't take the dome back off, how do you turn it off? So there's a whole lot of weirdness in this story that a good interrogator go hold on I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but if that's how you turn it on how you turn it off And you don't have to put that in but there's a lot of that that goes on in this story because to your point mark Well, of course, it's a spaceship. It's a different thing And I agree with you on the flag That's that's that there's he's trying to find his usual spot He's been placed in his spot to answer a question, but there's no place to redirect. He can't get a hold of it yet I don't think I could tell chase is going to come in and go weird. No What do you got chase? I actually agree On on the counts here So in in you guys have all seen my behavioral table of elements. It's my stab at creating Maybe the first system the only system I was just trying to codify Deception and human behavior just just my attempt at it And in on that behavioral table we say we've got to have a score of an 11 for deception to be about Pretty much very likely And right here we have an eight So we see two behaviors that are a score a four which is the highest score that one behavior can get So the first one we see a non-answer If you ask someone a question and they don't answer directly That is a non-answer statement So it's not an answer and second we see something called a postural retreat Where at the end here, I think just after this video he kind of leans back and he's a little bit resigned And it's it's almost a kind of a defensive gesture We see nixon do this when he says i'm not a crook and he steps back from the podium crosses his arms So we see this postural retreat that happens after the deceptive statement Which is when it's most likely to happen So we see two of those which give them a score of an eight out of 11. So we have most likely deception for this Excellent mark where you got Can I ask one question of chase first? Do you have element 115 on your chart? Yeah, yeah, you need to you need to add a new a new gesture To for for element one element But that element only lasts from for for microseconds in the in the in the real universe But in bobbler's our universe we got boxes. I don't get a big lump of it. It's the other table Yeah, you can get a big lump of it. By the way, I do want to say if if for everybody watching Get chase's table of elements. It's really really be careful with that You got to be careful because my front lobe got pummeled after when I first got that I said, okay, you got to be kidding me How long did that take man? How long did it take chase? Years and years I think what before we let mark finish up this one This is a great opportunity each of us has a very different approach to get to the same thing And what we want you to hear is the reason we like working with each other I'm the sharp stick in a sandy beach guy. I want to quick Get my answer right now when I profile people. I'm like, why is that different? I'm not I don't do something as methodical as chase does every one of us brings a little different twist to this Which is why I think we're a great team and I really applaud that Thanks, you sure you love it. Thanks, man. Yeah, so let me tell you what I say 115 is hold on Watch it. No rage your house Let me let me tell you what I say here Um is he's asked how does it work? And here's what happens is that joe rogan sets him up for the here's how it works routine And lasar packs the hell out. Basically he's going I don't do that routine anymore I don't do the how it works acts anymore. And the reason I think he doesn't do that is We now know too much about higgs bosons and particle accelerators and your general lay person Has a pretty good idea because what he's what he's saying earlier stuff is you have to remember Gravity it it um it warps time and space Okay, so So people didn't know that at that time. So when he says you have to remember He's basically telling you all bets are off because this is gravity and gravity will walk everything So we don't buy that anymore because we know a little bit better as lay people how this science works I don't think you'd get bob lasar anymore To tell you how it works And he would have told you 20 years ago Exactly how it works and that is a red flag for me Yeah, and in that flag you'll see him panicking because I think that's what we're seeing as well When he starts that when he starts getting back and starts closing down his illustrators from the get go on that His illustrators are small. He hardly moves. You see some of which you can't tell exactly what it is And he and his illustrator's somewhere on but they're very small compared to what he usually does when he answers So Can't finish the sonnets Yeah, yeah So you were seeing what it could do, but you couldn't ever figure out how it was doing it No, not really. I mean we really we really could only use a or come up with a best guess and No, I can't say we really That I could absolutely state for certainly or certainty how anything actually worked All right, everybody good And the history of mankind Not not really nothing that said well, this is the way things were uh, they're there there was mention of um Alien intervention In in the past. I mean it extremely long ago something along the lines of I have millions of years ago For the information that that I looked at it seemed that Uh and there again, these are briefing documents. So I can't I can't myself ascertain whether or not these are true I can only assume it because the briefing documents I read That pertain to the propulsion system were true because I I dealt with that but uh, they did make reference to uh Contact with the earth over 10 000 years ago also with uh genetic alterations that ended in Simeon being and uh, I mean all kinds of uh claims All right. Yeah, right on the gate there. He starts when when he asks him that question He starts off with no basically there's not much at all Then he starts getting into history of human kind starts talking about things that happened millions of years ago that were in this The documents or whatever he's talking about in there. Then he goes on to talk about how there it goes Talks about 10 000 years and becoming Simeon Simeon beings and it's like you gotta be kidding me This and I he's creating that on the fly. I think we're seeing him make that up as he goes because who would have asked him that before How would he have thought that up? So I think we're seeing create something as he goes. So greg As to your uh, I accessing wherever he's looking there. He's looking down to his yeah, right? I think none is right He's creating right there, man. Well, yeah, but emotional content, right? It that's uh, I'm on the ropes move That's not he's creating Intellectually he's on the ropes right when when I get you and start punching you in the gut you go to emotion Your his brain is kind of jumping around like a squirrel in the road a little bit. He starts off with not really but Tongue out and this is not a grooming move. This is uh, uh, oh And then he goes to internal conversation Scrammling back and forth anytime you're looking at somebody and they're down and they're back and forth They are they are scrambling back and forth with internal conversation watch his respiration increase It's dramatic He's all Chase you always say it he's breathing heavily in his upper chest and his respiration increases He starts to distance and push himself further and further away from whatever he's going to say But saying this was in something somebody else had written and so I can't attest how true it is But I can attest to how true what I read on my side was well Why would you have reason to doubt that number one? He's pushing himself up even Puts his force filled up as he holds his hands up and says figuratively I can't be held responsible for that This is prime. This is early in the game early enough. He's not gotten to rote memory and he's still defending himself It's got to hope we have I think we have one in here of even Earlier like 1989 when he's really young and he's moving his eyes around and all that But he is scrambling that that's squirrel in the road right there When you see him go down right He's had an internal conversation and feeling it and you can see the respiration increase and the Dodging and ducking and then the force field All right, mark. Where do you go? Yeah, so this is the early artist at work very much and and by the time we get to rogan He's masterful and he's had all these questions. This is the artist sketching it out He's like he hasn't had this question before and the interview has kind of gone Do you have a song about flowers and he's gone? No, I don't do flowers and then he's gone. Yeah, actually I'll just why not? I'll do one for you right now All right, how's it begin? So so it's exactly what so non-verbally what we get at the start is lots of Vocal ticks. We've got lots of shrugs. We've got this this side one side of the mouth Stretching out here in the really early version. He'll go from side to side to side. He's super nervous early on But he's you know, he's he's written a few of these songs already and some have gone down really well He just hasn't done this one. So here's what so there's inconsistency for a start millions of years Tens of thousands of years the document kind of said Both Okay, then he then he excuses the document by going some of the document may have been just false information For security reasons. So there's a get out of that like pay no attention to that line That line's a bit rubbish and there's a good reason why there and then I think here's what happens He gets into the rhythm of it and he gets into the rhythm of it because he starts to do Very basic universal mythology or what you'd you'd hear um, er Vondanken do I think who was writing in the 60s previous He starts to regurgitate. I think some of the vondanken stories essentially and the idea of That the mating of the ethereal thing with the human thing In order to get something superior and yet human it's the gods Mating with it's it's it's fire from the gods. It's history channel. Yeah, exactly It's it's Prometheus and and of course that's a that's a beautiful interesting story And and it hits us on a very fundamental level and so we kind of tune into that and go Well, we'll forgive you that this is clearly the first time you've ever written this song That's a good song. I like this. However, badly you sing the song The premise of the song is a beautiful song the gods the gods made love to us and they and we had children It's it's a great. It's a great song. So so, um, You know Good good good ish early work, but easily this is easy to see He had never written this one before and again. I don't think you get him singing that song Now I think if you go to the the rogan show I I'm not you know, I I don't think he he he starts he does that number. He's not doing that album anymore Yeah All right chase where you got Yeah, he's taking that on his set list. Yep. Yeah And uh mark we call those humalians If you learn anything from that's the term for that Oh Sorry, I've I've I've forgotten. Yes I think there is a deception mark. Don't you watch our videos man?  Not nearly enough. Okay every thursday Okay, chase. Sorry, man. I do think there's some deception here and I'll I agree with everything you guys said.  It's going to blow your mind That would be my reaction that I would be so excited to tell you this is why we're here Experimentations DNA modification that goes back millions. Oh wait thousands of years To create who we are today And then it was a nervous contrived Conversation. Well, he didn't have an answer is really what it boils down to I think to your point Nothing in his set list and he just has to reach around and pull it out And when he does what he finds is not not easy to describe So he's rambling and making up stuff and just pulling words together You know, we talked about AI being able to tell deception. None of these words would find their way into an AI pattern Just stuff. He's scrambling Okay, does anybody see this little hair up here looks like I've got an antenna I do now. I can't I can't I can't not look at it now. You shouldn't have said that I know it's like I got a direct line to that woman. We talked about you're attached to a particle accelerator right now Bandographs Talking to me. That's an energy weapon Really nothing that said well, this is the way things were there there there was mention of alien intervention In in the past I mean it extremely long ago something along the lines of I have millions of years ago For the information that that I looked at it seemed that And there again, these are briefing documents so I can't I can't myself ascertain whether or not these are true I can only assume it because the briefing documents I read That pertained to the propulsion system were true because I I dealt with that but they did make reference to Contact with the earth over 10,000 years ago also with genetic alterations that ended in a simian being and all kinds of claims Yeah Areas it's difficult to uh to really surmise how long it had been operational everything did look fairly new By that I mean I don't think this installation was there in the early 70s Nothing was worn things look fairly freshly painted so You know as a ballpark guess I would say it would it would really surprise me if the installation was older than Five seven ten years something like that. Okay mark. Where do you get? Yeah, so this is where we see Super early days for him sides of the mouth one side goes up the other side goes up the other side goes up The other side goes up. He's all over the place. Here's what I'd say that you should do watching this is think about Just listening To what he's talking about there just listen to it at the end of listening to it think Does that feel does that seem credible? Is there some doubt in my instinct around this then go back and watch it and notice what simply showing an aerial photograph of maybe Area 51 I I don't even know whether there were at that point any aerial photographs available But something just showing something that seems to be solid If we want to believe in this idea and even if we don't it lends such Credibility when we show that aerial photograph even just take that aerial photograph out And watch him again and think do I does this feel credible does it seem? Credible to me understand media knows That we all love To watch these stories and we love it when they feel really credible I mean look we're doing an episode ourselves because we know We love doing it you love watching it. It's a brilliant brilliant story but Just take out some of those um, I guess very firm ideas of credibility And it just starts to fall to bits and I think that's what happens here early days for him And there is nothing that he's saying that really finishes or has any tonality or any body language of credibility Around it from my point of view. I don't know whether you guys see anything else That's I agree with you completely because if you were to just when you just listen to it All you're hearing is the stop and start and stop and start and it's really drink And whether he's making that part up there on the spot. I don't know but it it just that's just Automatically sends bells and whistles off in my world for that. I can't I can't get past that Chase, what do you got? Well, I think he's doing here is waiting for a nod from the interviewer That he's that his statements complete So this stop and start I think is the the interviewers are staring at it So he keeps looking back to the interviewer and saying oh crap. I'm not done yet The walls were freshly painted and uh, it looked like a pretty new building looks back to the interviewer And I would I would probably guess the building was this many years old So I think that he's not getting much Back from the interviewer. So he's continuing to go which is a fantastic tactic for you scott as an interrogator I'm giving you guys advice and no one else If you're in an interrogation And you just maintain that silence You would be shocked at how much stuff keeps keeps coming out But what happens when you do that silence is you'll see a stop start stop start of information And you got to be brave to do the silence thing. It's it's one thing to read about it on a linkedin job interview article It's a whole other deal to do it in real life. And it's on this is an eternity Yes Yeah, you're not kidding because that's when they start adding what he did once you're explaining is he's adding those qualifiers to it That's that's that's we talked about that in our last video I think how when you just pause and wait you ask the question just Sit there and keep looking and they'll start adding things to it That's when we talked about breaking eye contact and all those types of things Greg, what do you got? That's but that's advanced interrogation. Now guys Here's where i'm going to show you that bob lasar is not telling you the truth This is going to be really easy for you to make a decision about forget us You're going to go back after you watch this and watch joe rogan joe rogan on that show joe rogan asks Good hard questions and forces this guy to answer them And when he answers them he does that real memory thing almost every time when he gets in a bind His eyes dodge away to his left Now go back watch what we just watched it's bigger than simply request for approval And he does plenty of that where he raises his forehead and stares right at I'm staring at chase on my screen to try to get approval But it's bigger than that when he is saying it the reason he's stuttering through it is he goes to his visual construct Watch him his eyes go up hard and to his left As he's making up the details about freshly painted and then he shops his answer Something we've talked about in past videos. It's three four. It's five. It's seven years But he's up left accessing creating what it looked like so he can describe it pulls back down looks dead at you Now that could be his baseline for truth if it is Then this isn't that he's doing on rogan all the time What in fact i'm seeing here is you hit it dead on this is the infant Version mark. This is the infant version of lasar and he's creating the story and people are helping him He's shopping the story there. They're poking holes in it. He's filling in the holes This is how cover stories work and that kind of things you fill them in then he's got it down to rope and he just And he backs away he chaffs and redirects all the things we're talking about earlier Go back and watch him now using that and you'll see a very different thing than you saw watching him without all that knowledge I'm gonna bring up one point too. I agree with the 100% But i'm gonna bring up one point about that uh thing mark was talking about where his mouth keeps going He does that from day one he does He does it on both sides and in the from at day one I guess we'll call the 1989 interview But as you see him he does it on every interview that he's in so I I think and i'm bringing that because I think most people will Think that the end the end the people who aren't as deep into the stuff as we are They don't think that's duping delight or doopers delight. I don't think that's what we're seeing there We see a couple of times. Yeah, but that's part of that's part of what he's doing. It's either as uh, you know He's there's a little a tick or whatever, but he keeps he does that quite often So I I so I want to point that out because this kept bugging the squad out of me But because I know people say oh, it's doopers delight, but I don't believe that's what it is chase So I I agree that I've seen body language experts on on youtube say that this is doopers delight There's contempt facial expression. It's just a it's a baseline zone quirky. Yeah, it's just a quirky dude I would I would just add to that What's great about when you see with him with rogan is he's softened a lot of that He's so much more calm and assertive And that's that's why he gives such a good performance in the rogan show He locks himself down. He's in he locks his chair down Pretty much locks his face down to a certain extent And it's only when he gets asked to do routines that he doesn't want to do anymore Because they would be easier to take take apart That he seems to have an issue With it There's an interesting thing is you watch him through here They go to the science that's accepted science and you know, he'll they'll use things like well gravity waves He first talked about them and they weren't proven. Well einstein talked about gravity waves And he's been dead longer than we've been alive So let's not pretend that because something's been proven that he talked about that he invented it But that's one of their go-tos To redirect and pull you back into it and they even they even get rogan on at one time Where they talk about gravity waves not being discovered until 2016 and he was talking about it in 89, but that's a misdirect Yeah, well, you'll you'll see in the rogan show. What happens later on is they talk about a A device that can measure the bones in your hand to to tell that it's it's I used to work for that company Right So so so here's the thing What happens with that Is because they produce a real one And because then bob is able to go there you see I told you Now everything's true But that's not how logic works. That's like me saying, you know, I rode for Cambridge in the oxford and Cambridge and you go but there's no details about that And then suddenly and you can't get any history of history of me Ever in a rowing club, but then suddenly somebody comes along with an awe with my name on it And I go, you see an awe with my name on therefore Everything is correct. No, it just means there's an awe with your name on so because and it's a it's a it's a brilliant way And I and I think that is kind of purposely revealed in the rogan show later on In order that it makes everything that we've heard before Accurate and correct. I I think you know, I'm a big after watching this. I'm a big fan of of Bob Lazar Because I think he's brilliant What he what he does in the same way that urie galler is is is brilliant and was brilliant in his In his time. I mean, there's just there's a very specific lie there Which he's telling you stuff that isn't true But sometimes the story the beauty of the story is more important than whether it's a lie or not I would I would say the idea that it might be possible You know, just like you guys I would love to live in a world where alien life is possible And so somebody tells me a decent story about it. I'm open to the story I'm open to living in the idea of it. Now. Is it true? well from Bob's From looking at Bob. His story isn't true. That's not That's not true My might it be generally true that aliens exist. I I actually just don't know I'd love it if they did and I'm open to some information or Or evidence of it. I just don't think he has it So, let me go back just really quick just to finish up what I was saying that When we see the evolution of behavior from his younger videos To nowadays we see an evolution of showmanship But I think another thing we could Potentially be seeing Is the evolution of a mask That was created by somebody that might be on the spectrum Because we could see that in an adult who's on the spectrum when they're 50 Which is Silicon Valley is is full of those kinds of people and they get more and more socially intelligent And very sharpened to understand exactly what people need to see and hear as as they age Which I'm only presenting as a possibility. No, no, I here I will say this that's entirely a possibility I don't think as much engagement as he had socially in the beginning I think what brought him to the game is that ability to socially engage because if you watch his earlier stuff The guy's engaging. He is very engaging There's a smirk to him all the time But he's engaging and you don't typically think of people in the spectrum as being that engaged You also don't think of a lot of that, right? And he's got a lot of that his face is a circus early in the thing Yeah, I think it's I think his eyebrow we're seeing too much eyebrow movement for that as well But I think it's possible. Yes, but I don't think he is that guy Right Definitely possibility But if you are watching this video one of the things that one of the interviewers could have done as us interrogators Sometimes do it's called the incomplete leading questions or incomplete questions and we say so then you walked in the building and Broke and missed that Some of that. Yeah, I heard a couple of those we didn't have any here in in our clips that we reviewed But those are fantastic They're not necessarily leading questions because you're not putting information there So you're saying you guys left and then everybody Bridge, I mean just kind of dot dot dot you leave that gap there for the other person to fill in and that is a very Powerful questioning technique that you can use today if you like. Well, all right. Well, that's everything So why don't we throw around the room run around one time and we'll give everyone's perspective on what you think the percentage of truth is versus Deception Greg you want to go first? Yeah, so I'm not even going to pretend that I believe there's truth in this story I'm not going to pretend that he worked in an alien aircraft factory I'm not going to pretend any of that what I'm going to tell you is fantastic job of storytelling Really masterful. He knows his routine You watch him if you hadn't seen the earlier stuff where you're seeing him access and think and create on the fly You wouldn't know that he is just repeating something. He's rehearsed over and over. That's why I called him Susan Lucci He's been doing the same role for 35 years He should be good at it and he should get better and he's maturing and he is Stabilizing it so he doesn't move around as much as you do when you're young It's part of what we see when I interrogate a general. I wouldn't expect the same thing I got from a private Right very different mindset Very different level of calm It doesn't make me believe him anymore It makes me believe him less that he always goes to the same place I'm going to leave you with this I movement is contentious the four of us have differing opinions of it at times I'm going to tell you that you can't have it both ways You can't have a baseline that says I always go here except when I'm asked a hard question and then I go there Mark what do you got? Yeah, I love Bob Lazar Especially like him on the Joe Rogan show because he does such a masterful job on that apart from a few Areas So yet great entertainer Great interviewee. Has he ever seen an alien spacecraft? No No, he just hasn't It's not happened Chase what do you get? I think he believes some of this And I think there may be some truth to the fact that he did work in a building or had a security clearance or something like this Which helps him to catapult the rest of his own belief and in the rest of the story I think we're at a 50 50 truth and deception here And it's just from the videos we watched. It's not 100 to say which is deceptive and which is truthful But I think that he does believe a lot of what he's saying That's why we're not seeing a lot of stress and emotion there when he's responding to interviewers All right Well, I think we're seeing I think we're seeing a combination of truth and deception. I'm with Greg I'm not going to pretend I believe that this cat saw a bunch of spaceships at all And the the I like to you know, we use a lot of the comments we get are did you not do your research? You don't look in this cat Where we talked about when we first before we started recording We talked about his his past and things have been going on When a person has a past that's chock full of deception in the ways his was You know, I I believe That's what we're seeing. We're seeing somebody who knows how to tell the story because their background shows They've been telling those stories for a long time Not just since he was a kid But as an adult as well after he'd already come out with this is when he got in some some trouble as well And I don't think he's I don't think he saw any spaceships. I don't think he saw the maps He's talking about I don't think he saw any of that. I think he's just creating a story And that's what we're seeing great guy Awesome story teller. I've done really on that one, but I don't I don't think we're seeing I don't think I don't think this Happened the way he says it happened or that happened to him like that Love us or hate us. That's what we saw. Yeah, we will we call him like we see him If we see deception we'll say we see deception here here and here if we see truth We say we see truth here here and here. We're not on anybody's side like chase said I want there to be ufo so bad. I want to see little green man. I want a gray man. I want to see all that I want to be truth. I want that to happen. We're not detectives as greg says We're just relaying how things look to us and that's it All right, thanks. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah. That was a fun one actually. Yeah. Yeah All right, I'll see you guys on the next one Good question. I wanted to bring up in the video Why are aliens always always naked when they're being described? What if that is the space suit? What if this is the goggles and that's the suit? Well, yeah, because we're thinking about 1960s technology with a big But when I see stuff like that, that makes me think maybe that's their their uniform in other words


Can EBTEC be used to re-inform instruction, teaching instruction? But over something I'm really passionate about, but also in light of the recent events, maybe I should reframe this and say, well, can EBTEC be used to re-inform ELT? Are we missing something? Is something missing? All of us are here today on a Saturday. How many of your friends, partners, people from different sectors are going to extra events free of charge, you know, of their own time? None of them. How many of them are going to CPD workshops in the hope of getting a praise to get no financial gain from it? None of them. Why do we all do it? And it comes from that kind of passion that we have for what we do and the teachers or the students that we teach. Well, somebody tweeted you the other day and said that, you know, you need to support these teachers because potentially it could be you one day. It should never be. It should never be any of us at all. You know, everybody here works extremely hard. And what we need to realize as teachers in this sector is that there's a whole world of technology out there. And if you look at the Silicon Valley and all of those people, there's people making a lot of money. There's a lot of investment going into EBTEC. None of it's coming back into these classrooms. None of it's coming back into us. And everyone here is creative and has a lot of ideas and stuff. And maybe we should harness the power of all those ideas together to take some of that, go out to that technology and bring it in here so that we're the ones that benefit. So that we create something for this sector that they can't do without us. That this shouldn't happen to anyone, again, ever. You know, so EBTEC essentially, what I'm going to talk about is what we thought about it, what we do, what we don't do, what we can and what we should do. Very briefly.  Some of us are like, fine, you can have my job, I don't care.  So that's what some people thought in their mindset. And other people, like especially the investors and all that, it's like Glastonbury for EBTEC. They're like, oh, it's from when he had it. It's going to save, you know, computers for everyone. It's going to save education. It's going to empower learning, revive everything. It's going to be more fun, you know. And so basically it was seen maybe as this panacea that can just save everything. And what we know is that it doesn't. You know, and I'm a big believer in pen and paper and writing. So I'm never saying that things need to be thrown out the window. But everything needs to supplement and can aid. But we need to do it with pedagogy. We need to do it in the right way. So it can see it as a snake or it really just doesn't work. So what we do, and this was just me going to ask me, ask you guys what tech you use. But from today we can see that there's a lot of people using the voicing padlet and maybe some, is there any other main tech platforms that people use in their teaching that we haven't mentioned or come across today? Kahoot. Ah, Kahoot. I know teachers that have stopped using that because since students absolutely hyper. And they just, they can't handle it anymore. But generally overall, aside from some of the ones that we're using, a lot of teachers are probably using Twitter and Facebook and all of these things for more, maybe engagement. And we feel that, you know, I was told in my school years ago, oh, you need a blog. You need to put everything from your lesson on the blogs, which was doubling my workload. And then the students actually said to me, like that's not fair on the people who turn up to class because the ones who don't turn up to class again, so I stopped it. You know, but it was all about this engage. We need to engage more. And that's again at the hands of us. So all of the tech that we're using is for engagement rather than maybe for learning or for assessment and things like that. So what we don't do in this sector, this sector really is we're not catching or holding onto any of the data, data, tomatoes, tomatoes, whatever, that is being created. This is a growing sector. There's an enormous wealth of understanding and learning and data going on that we could collect in order to bring it back in to boost this for us and for the students. So we're not doing that. And because we're letting all that go, we're not actually putting in any sort of structures. We're not putting it together in a structure, a framework that we can build on that to re-inform ourselves. So where's the learning from us? And all of you guys, you know yourself with self-reflection and feedback just even yourself. You used an activity. Who did it work with? Who didn't not work with? You know that yourself and you might reevaluate that and you might change that. But we don't know collectively. Did it work with Italian students? Did it not work with Spanish students? Why? And how are we feeding that back into each other? And so one of the failings of ed tech, as it was seen as the panacea, but it's actually not happened really, like I think 700 million in Silicon Valley has been invested. Most of those companies are boosted because of the empathy gap. A lot of the tech entrepreneurs aren't teachers. They don't know what it's like to be in the classroom. They don't know what it's like. So there's this disconnect between the teachers, the students and the people creating the technology. So who's the best people to create the technology? It's the teachers, you know. And so if we can close that, then we're really strengthening ourselves in the sector. So this is my video. So my company, what we do is, obviously it's not going to work. I think it's gone. It doesn't matter. It's a really cool video. If you want to close out of it, I'll close it. So yeah, I've built, I say me. I came up with the idea, but I got a developer and I said, build this. And I'm very much, my background is very much EAP, foundation year programs, and my background is science as well. So I teach, or I have been teaching students to go into the world of science. No, is it? Is it not there on the presentation? It worked earlier. Anyway, so what you can do with it, I'll try, yeah, on that side. Which one? 14. This one? Yeah. So if you, yeah, there's a little item. Okay. Okay. So I'm all about learner autonomy, trying to improve metacognition, trying to improve the students, trying to facilitate their ability to go out into the real world, professional and academic, and build up their own language skills. Yeah, yeah, President. Sorry. So what you can do with this, and this is, it's early phase, so what it is, you can take a photo of something you're reading, or if you're reading an article on the internet, you can take a screen grab, and you just take it like a photo, except it's more cool than that. And so in less than 20 seconds, in less than 20 seconds, what it did is it detected 312 words. It detected the meaning, the word from the pronunciation of all of those words, giving also collocation synonyms and phrases with it, to create then a list for yourself. So you're on vocabulary lists. You can add your own words and things like that. So you get, it's just random that I chose this solution. That wasn't on purpose. And so in it, the way I built it is that it's very much kind of focused on pedagogy and metacognition, and that students are removing the things they know, not focusing on what they don't know. And so they create their own lists, and what you saw there as well, that we saved the source image. So we were talking earlier, Jared, that we have the words, we look, we can see the frequencies, we don't know where they came from. So that's really important for us as well, that we're finding what words are our students interacting with, where did they come from. And because the list decontextualizes it, they can go back to the source image to connect it back there to see where they found it. So where the magic is in that, really, is if you're in your school, you're teaching, if it's for yourself, whatever, you're giving students articles, maybe authentic materials, which I kind of prefer. We all hate course books, obviously. But from that, what we can, on the back end of it, through the data, is that we can understand from that what nationalities are having problems with what words, at what time, from what articles, what demographics are they female, are they male, and what age range are they. So we can generate these reports, and then we sprinkle the pedagogy teacher fairy dust. And from those reports, that we can create education packs that are better than the dry boring course materials. That we can then... And that's going to feed back directly to you, directly to your school, for your students. So it's not just what is the most frequently words used. What's the most frequently problem... What's the most problematic word for your students today, in real time? More than that, what we can do with technology is not only are we looking at the words, but we're looking at the sentiment. So I can't remember the words that... You used dirt, they were much more technical than my words, but looking at... What we use is natural language processing. What is the sentiment? Is it positive, is it negative? What are the key ideas from it? Because there's comprehension as well with the authentic materials, even the ones that are in the books. So what we can do is we can look at to see what do they understand, what do they not understand, which can re-inform our teacher to tell us, okay, we need to look at these ideas more, not just the language. So it's that combination of ideas and language together. And so just with Cambridge and all of those guys, I didn't use all the logos. You might say, well, aren't we doing that already? And on reflection, my next slide is probably a bit harsh. No, it's a bit harsh, not really. Okay, so yes, we've seen the amount of data that there is there, the amount of words that are being collected. But again, it goes into a database, I can say that word, but it's not coming back directly to the teachers in real time for your students. And that's what we need. Because I was looking now, I'm interested to know about some of the other corpus things, because I think we do need to be corpus informed teachers. But some of the ones I was looking at, like, they look like this. Actually, that doesn't look so bad there. But when you get in, this was how I had to sign up, right?  I said, put in your query. And I was like, I just don't know what's going on here. So from UI, UX, from that perspective, it's not easy. And I was just like, oh, God, I'm home alone. This is awful. They've left me. I don't know what to do with this information. So some of the things that we bring into it is that we can have things like all these scary things, like AI and machine learning. But really what it's telling us is just telling us, what do students understand? What do they not understand? And how can we pre-teach ideas? And how can we get messages from that so that we can create more specific, learner-specific materials that are going to target your students and hopefully improve your teaching, your classrooms, but also their learning outcomes and also make you valuable as a teacher and a school so that you are indispensable. Like, there is no way to get rid of you. And so we're just at the start of this. So there's a lot more to go and a lot more to be added to it as well. So what we should do really as a sector, you know, well, easy, right? Easy to say. Yeah, there's lots of things. But what we really need to do fundamentally as a sector is realize the potential that's out there and realize that everyone in this room, you know, has ideas and that the power is really in your hands to be able to create and innovate because that's what you do every single day. I didn't realize that I was a creator, but then when I thought about all the lessons I didn't have a book for, I didn't have a printer for, I didn't have anything for, you know, you're always creating, you're always innovating. So if you have things that are missing from the tech or from that side of it, you create them, okay? And so that we can create these structured frameworks that are going to feedback into this sector. But also, we have to make things more digestible. We have to make them, you know, it has to be bite-sized, mobile, portable, digestible things that it can feedback to people here, don't have the time to go search and true corpus and things like that, corporate. So there is potential growth here and this sector doesn't have to be left behind from that. So what ETECH can provide is growth in maybe instruction, learning and maybe even assessment, which can come down to self-assessment, you know, as we're talking about, to build up the learner autonomy and stuff like that. But overall, I think that it really can provide if we use it and harness the power of it, then it can provide a secure future for ELTA, you know, for the people who are really driving that.