All right, it's official. We're here. We're live. I know it's got to be somebody here. Come on chat chat room Tell us if we're live for you. We got a dog here trial and error Trial and error. We don't know I'm putting that into the chat. I'm trying to refresh the window miss it I'm definitely a there's Cole We just seeing some stuff here That's wonderful Yeah, okay, although Yeah, wait, that's so funny Your are you? Reversed one of those videos one of those images is reversed Yeah, I'm confused as to what is reversed well, we can still see each other right. Oh, yeah, we don't care this guy I Wanted to come say hi to after his appearance in yesterday's video Windows 11 desktop That's the lovely thing now, right? So the automatic update to Windows 11 figuring out if we can stream or not But anyway, yeah, so today today is our first official CRP live, right? We're again seeing if we can get things rolling here And oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay You're alive. All right, I'm seeing some people in the in the oh, yeah We got some people watching you would think that we're better at this that streaming, but it turns out we're both idiots Yeah, I laughed because it's been Like three years since I've done a live stream, which is ridiculous, you know It's you think about how I used to do it and I used to do pretty good I had I remember having a live stream that you go back and watch for a few years ago that Like multiple cameras in the back of the SOTY PVM and I was showing like as I adjusted something live I was I don't even remember how I set that up I must have been watching epus vox videos for like two weeks prior to that just to figure it all out All right, so I think we've got everything going. I've got a live chat window pulled up Yeah, I popped out the chat and then I can view it over discord. Great. That's great Yeah, so we didn't really have a lot of things planned to get started today We just thought that man, it's a perfect timing kind of go live for the first time and do it right after I had Finally put out a regular video, right?  I'll give him that keep him keep him busy for a minute, but Yeah, so I haven't watched your video. I'm a terrible co-host. That's all right. We can you one yet That's good. That means a lot of other people have seen it and already liked it So you haven't even had a chance to go watch it and like it yet. I mean I gotta go over there I gotta add that like this video Has it all I really kind of jumped a little bit out of my normal comfort zone and I was like man It's time to let the like G creative juices flow who cares if it Works or not, right? Sometimes I mean you're better at this than I am with experimenting and Having good jokes and humor I feel like incorporated throughout your video and your timing is like it's on point It takes it takes me a minute when I'm like video like I was editing that last video and you're like how How short of and you saw at least the intro part so how like how short do I? Cut each one of these segments to make them the right length because if it's like a second or two longer You almost ruin your punch line. Don't you feel like that something like that? Sure Sure, you whether you're mentally ingrown it or not. It's hard to say man. Everyone's a little bit different. I tend to Yeah, I don't know I go I was very good I appreciated that Roger let me do a bit on his video because I'm I think I'm much better unhinged Steve works Well, I think I better at when like I get a parameters like here's a sketch right this bit But when I've got nothing like just hey come on with the video I really don't know so I appreciated Roger said hey do this and he gave me the bits and I was able to come around it So yeah, we got a I need that at a like a partnership, right? I often don't do it myself I need someone they need to do something for a reason Yeah, I hear you definitely it's it's it's like a it's like a double a double-edged thing kind of where you want to Now I'm starting to think like how do I?  I was like well Now all of a sudden I've created these characters in my head that I want to keep replaying, right? So I was like well this guy who's the jerk at the beginning in the in the jogger jacket Like I too but busted both my 90s jogger jackets out in that segment, right?  He's definitely a Timmy like yeah Kind of like that and like again again been goofy always running off to like get on to the You know grasping at anything any topic that seems risque.  I don't know but It's like this is gonna be fun to kind of explore and then I oh and the key on this is they're all just gonna be named Like something Steve, right?  I don't know what else there is, but I Think that's good like just start your characters will evolve over time, right? So with all these things it's best to jump in and which is better. It's advice I'm better at giving than doing myself, but it's better to jump in try it make a video Just do one of the videos That's what I liked and the feedback I gave to Roger when I watched his final thing Was that what I I like that he's got a concept. I like there's a formula I think people like formulas and I felt what I was seeing was like version 0.1 of The formula and that's fine He's gonna keep going away and then it'll be the better version and the better version You'll kind of get there So you can't have a concept unless you have some shitty versions and some draft rough versions to begin with so I'm thinking about what to to do with such things. Yeah, so if you're not familiar You're showing up our buddy the 8-bit Esquire of course had a Recent where he put out his first video and it was really funny thinking about it because I didn't see any of these You know, I just saw him teasing that he was making a video And with Roger I had no idea what he was gonna be making a video on what what the topic was how it was gonna go I just knew that he was doing it and he had said he'd been doing it So once it finally came out, I was really blown away and I told him this It's definitely something that's really authentic Feeling it's got its own premise. It's unique original authentic and that's really the good stuff on YouTube Plus, I like the fact that he didn't care that it was kind of long You know, I mean now everybody's running around Running around You know worried about trying to make the shortest video possible and I don't really personally I mean we've talked about that too that that's that's not really what I came to YouTube for in the first place ever so it's it's It's definitely an interesting perspective and I think that he's been rewarded With a lot of good feedback and a lot of viewers I mean, I was I went back to the video today and According to the like main page. I mean he's got over 1,300 views on it already Well, you can tell you know like again, this is the thing that he has going is it's not It's definitely different, right? I mean, that's the good thing. That's the and that's what I was really blown away with I also told him I was I mean you did we both laugh like about our first productions I could say my first like 50 videos the production quality is awful and I've even had like bigger youtuber friends who are really into like the algorithm and trying to Work the algorithms and and make your channel kind of stand out more and they're like you need to go and clean up your channel I was like, what do you mean by that? And it's like well, you need to go and you delist a lot of these videos that basically get no views anymore And it's like also the earlier stuff that basically nobody views anymore so that when people go to your channel It's a little bit easier for them to cycle through your catalog rather than go into a channel We have 400 videos and so I've never done it But because that's not really a big focus for me right now, but I think that I Know other people do that stuff. So but it's but it was just a big Shot out to Roger for being able to put together such a great production and I'm glad he had you in there, too Yeah, that was fun. That was fun. I'm whenever People have advice about the do this for the algorithm this thing I I really feel like we've got it I want to see some real evidence like real proof that this is gonna make a difference because I Really feel like this is like trying to guess what God in heaven wants like oh I'm if I if I pray this morning, then it'll be a sunny day Well, were they actually connected or did you just do two separate things, right? I think we can often the algorithm and God work in mysterious ways. Yeah, both of them We do not know exactly that this thing is doing that sometimes you do but not should we do a little um as well a couple questions Yeah, I see that we do have a couple Murphy so tips on cleaning. Let's go with that. He's got a real dirty case What about have you do you have you done that a lot Steve? But you like totally dismantle all the plastic and wash the plastic. Yes. Yes. Yes, you can Actually, I have a video that if you want to go back and check Tom on the channel. It's about that Red RGB modded Samsung CRT my goodness. I think it's about within the last year. I made this video and what had happened is I Put it in a storage and mice had gotten into it and then peed and pooped all inside this thing so it had to be washed and sterilized so what I did was I Literally took the circuit boards out right all the circuit boards out and The inside of the plastic I left the tube and the yoke right the full deflection yoke on the tube Which is the copper winding, you know on the back of the tube I left that and then that has to be disconnected from the chassis But I leave that and then the tube installed and all the others like circuit boards come out Right every circuit board and then I just sprayed the inside with just some really heavy-duty cleaner Now you don't want to get too tough of a cleaner on the back of the tube where you can mess up that well We've talked about before the aqua dag, which is that dull gray stuff So you got to be careful of that But everything else you could put with some cleaner and then I just hosed it off all inside there and let it literally dry for I don't know a week before I even reinstalled it because I want to make sure there was no Moisture at all inside that deflection yoke for sure Before I really started it knew that yeah, and then with the boards you can buy If you're really concerned about this you can either use 90 plus percent isopropyl alcohol To clean the boards. That's a hundred percent safe always or you can get even specific cleaning Cleaners for circuit boards that those generally cost a lot You're gonna spend a lot of money on the cleaner like it's 20 times as expensive as the isopropyl It's but it does seem to be a little bit better working Yeah, that one was the people are asking about that red Samsung. That was the one in the fire But that I thought it was cuz I thought he's talking about my one that was in a fire But no, no, no, yeah Yeah, no this was the one that was survived the house fire that I had when I was in college and it was like It had like it Bob actually has it I I gave it to him. He wanted it and it's got Melt marks around it like from from indirect heat from the fire and it but it didn't actually damage the set itself And so if you get like real close you can see that but that was one I I dulled the sandpaper at all the shell down years ago and spray painted it red Which red's a good color to use red or green because there's like safety spray paint for red and green and It's cheap.  I guess So it's it's good. It's it's a good one of those two colors, but Yeah, I forgot about that one cuz I've got yeah, I've got my my PVM that was in a fire I fired it up or fired it up I turned it on and I didn't get anything out of it and I haven't since gone yet to open it up And that's maybe a summer project. It's definitely got the plastic is a little bit Is isn't that the one that's yeah, so you don't know on the inside whether it's been Melted or even if there's I Think it doesn't gets doused with maybe fire retard or like yeah, cuz it was in The fire he's put it out now. I know it turned on very briefly Yeah, so it's not a like a how to say a damage like it'll never it may be now Maybe something's gone like the stuff's got in and really eaten through the board or something or I don't know what else is in there But it did turn on for a little while so We're gonna see on that one. Hey, Nathan was asking about rear projection TV. Are they reliable? Rear projection TVs I Rear projection TVs are Not I mean, I wouldn't really why right unless I don't know why you would want really those things anymore I don't know I had When I so well, this is kind of an interesting way to segment of this right after I had that house fire With this Samsung TV. We've been speaking about Part of that Process was going through an insurance claim where they you know buy you all new electronics by you there you buy new stuff based on your insurance and One of the things that we got because this was 2000 and When this happened it was like 2002 or three we got this 1080i HD D, you know, what was it DLP or something like the rear projection? widescreen that was still you know, it had it had boxiness to it right because it was a rear projection scream and Man, we had that thing down in my basement forever But it was always doing something it was always screwing up remember playing games on it It had a lot of analog inputs, but I don't think they were that good I don't really know that's that that TV was something that we had for a long time And it basically my mom was like where you use it till it burns out. So it finally burned out and But I don't I don't see the the fun in that one as far as like Not yet a big Some of those ones. They're so hard. Have you do you still have the CRT projector I do on your list. It's right here. It's I could see it from here. It belongs to the museum of the museum in Houston And They said to I haven't had a chance to look at it. I actually just talked to them last week about a couple of things they So there's a big problem This is interesting. There's a big problem in New York City where The museum there my Museum of Modern Art MoMA is Having huge interference problems with something newer like the last couple of years. It's either from new subway System integration of new things or whether it's new Broadcasting equipment for cell phones It's causing huge magnetic interference on the CRTs in the museum. So all And it's not all of them. It's the less shielded CRTs So it's the it's the one dotronics the dotronics monitors are having They have hundreds of them and there have been huge problems where they can't use them Because they're getting like they're turning all different colors Because there's no shielding from the magnetism in the sets And so that's why they wanted the Sony pvm 25 30 from me in January and then that's One of the reasons they're obsessed with that monitor is because they have so much problems with the Shielding on the dotronics. So anyway the guy from Houston called me and he's like look We can send he's like will send you a dotronics whenever you're healthy and We think it would be helpful if you could come up with a any Solutions to try to shield this magnetism and all I'm thinking is I know the inside of these Dotonics and it's like a consumer set huge tube. No shielding No shielding that's and the difference between that in the 25 30 is the 25 30 has a lot of you know Like how a PC monitor you open it up and it's coated in a shield of metal and that's pretty much to help with that outside interference and Eliminate that in a way So I'm thinking that the problem here is just the lack of shielding on these dotronics So if I could come up with some kind of Dotonics fit kit then I go in and and offer something to all these museums Hey, we'll get your Dotonics fit with the interference fit kit and there's a couple hundred of them That would be installed right away at MoMA in New York Is the dotronics is it like a box like a PM? It's a box, but it's just like a metal It's it's literally what it's done is you take a 25 inch RCA CRT or Magnavox CRT and they've put it inside a custom Shell and they've used all the same hardware. They flash a news custom chip with their limited software on it That they do have set up so there is like a limited software instead of the natural software that would be on it I think it doesn't have like a normal it will be like The RCA, but if you it doesn't have the same menus and stuff.  I mean to shield the Dotonics is it lich would it literally just be getting For what one two three four sheets of of sheet metal or something and putting into that Do you think that's yeah, so here was here's my idea. There's a couple of spots in this house That like I can put a CRT next to it if it's unshielded it just goes crazy on the colors Like it's from in and if I move it out of that spot it clears up So I'm like, well, there's a couple spots where I could do some testing first off second off My plan is yet to just go and for starters kind of chop up Parts from like a 25 30 that I have Take the shielding off of that and then for now just try to like place that in there Nothing permanent, but just to place that in there. See if it makes a difference like that The other idea for shielding would be this is again not anything I came up with Something I learned in the past from working on other CRT monitors and big presentation monitors from Mitsubishi If you open up those old cabinets, they're in the same almost style of a cabinet as these dot tronics But those monitors I have the entire inside of the CRT cabinet lined and high quality pretty thick copper Now they also have added vent holes and they've added Fans they usually have two fans in them But that one was another idea, of course, that would be extremely expensive I'm sure just to do copper if you had to in copper expensive. Yeah, it's an expensive material Right and then if you would need to add some sort of fan Need system that's really like a step up easy one is just some bit of sheets of that thin tin or whatever To see how that goes.  Could you also do some testing with the wand or the ring as well? Because because the wand well what the wand will do is it'll just make it go to go away temporarily on these sets Because it's not an actual problem with the magnetism of the set. It's the magnetism of the surroundings affecting the set Right when it's in that spot. It's really weird. It's on this old It's on this old Burner wood stove that I don't use but like if I set a CRT on top of it and I move it around it gets different interference Depending on where it is the old iron stove or something.  I Little little Stevie retro was thinking, you know, maybe maybe this is like a portal to like Some kind of like inner-dimensional thing, right? So it's like this is a gateway detector the CRT's like that's what I'll be doing in one of these episodes Run around with a CRT in the dark. It'll be like a spoof on the ghost hunters Like all the people who chase ghosts. It's like we're chasing ghosts and we're using this portal detector and it's really just We got the portal detector man and just watch it so That's so intense that that museum in New York has such high Magnetism that it's affecting like in many places around that there's such Inference in New York. Jesus. What's it? I don't want to get all Yeah, what is that what is that it has an impact on the CRT, what does that have an impact on your body I don't know but yeah, we're not getting into like that's That's a good question. Well, you saw in Bob made a short I don't know a couple years ago about how much interference he had for RF In New York City compared to where he lives maybe now outside of New York City, obviously in just a normal like suburban style environment Because I've never seen really RF interference of that magnitude and I because I've never lived in New York City and tried it Right web to human hillbillies though Yeah, so there's places not seen it as well And if you think about it back when they were using this RF technology, it probably wasn't a problem in in the city because The the stuff at the time, you know, there wasn't as many frequencies going around and and Like a different. Yeah, a whole different setup on society of low Lester technology Even things like how you your computer speakers used to beep when your old Nokia was getting an incoming call And then it starts frigging straight away, that's a good topic. What was the first? What is your first cell phone or portable phone memory? Do you have one like that like? Early because I mean if you don't I have one if but I wanted to see I got a quick one I was living with my friend Jay Jay the cable guy and he had a phone from his work. I didn't we were at university at the time We're just living in a share house with Dita. It's crazy big share house and He had one for his work and it was still pretty new and I remember what that was also at the time I was just fixing friends computers like IT people do all the time, right? And then one person I I don't know I did something to their computer It wasn't that hard and they gave me 50 bucks. I was like 50 bucks.  I need to sell my services, but this was 2000 I don't want to say 99 2000 or something like that And the way in Newcastle, Australia the way that you advertised your services was an ad in the Newspaper Oh that sounds so ancient Fucking ad in the newspaper. I called them up. I had to choose the words because it cost per word You know and then it was a phone number and I think I just wanted to make use of the phone And I was a little bit scared so no it was the house number. So right the ad went to our house My drinks tray doesn't work and I was like, okay, and but the first time I ever went out to a gig I took his phone with me just in case I needed to call home and call him up and like he was like Jay was waiting back at The house and I went out and did the service just in case, you know, I had to call him so he could Tell me something about that. We didn't need to call and eventually I got my own phone But I got an ad in the newspaper. That just seems yeah a trillion years ago. Yeah, I had a good old one ads Well, I had a pretty good early on memory because my dad He for some reason in the early 1990s had one of the original Portable phones, you know, this was not like a cell phone. This was had its own Carrying briefcase with it and a cord and you know, it was a $15 a minute or something I don't know much about it, but I'll never forget we went to We went to Washington DC for like a family trip the whole family my younger siblings and like I said, I would have been like Before ten years old and we had our van and somebody like smashed the window out of the van and broke into the Chevy Astro van and stole this phone and I remember it was such a huge deal because we had to sit there for like three hours and Wait for the police to show up and fill out this police report Because again, this was like, you know, this was back when those things cost so much money at that time that no one had them and I just remembered that was my first ever experience with the portable phone was my dad having it in the car And then someone's stealing it. I Want to talk about the the comment that was from alph and D Because this is sort of something I want to get into a little bit because maybe also Steve your 60 Hertz America now The 50 Hertz and 60 Hertz thing now this originates from the power in America you got the 60 Hertz power in Europe you got the 50 Hertz power, but Most modern sets most later model sets could do both Even in a 50 Hertz like I get all these ones here and they say 50 Hertz on the back But yeah, and run 60 Hertz content. Yeah, it's still is able to display that image It is still able to do it just fine And there must have been certainly some CRTs back in the day But I'd love to dig into more with someone because I really have not seen a European CRT that can't do a 60 Hertz single okay, so you're talking about I mean, are you talking about When you say see there's like this gets confusing Oh Congratulations, by the way, we just want to say thanks to Tony Escobar for the thanks Tony Thank you very much. Got any questions Tony will be happy to yeah to run them by the expert here Yeah, so that this is like you get into this well It's almost like the old ab this really gonna date me because probably half of people have no idea what the heck I'm talking about but there's used to be this bit as comedic bit by these two guys named Abbott and Costello And it's who's on first base So it's like the argument you start talking about 50 60 Hertz And it's like are we talking about the power or the video signal, right? Because like the 50 60 Hertz thing then you get into like well the TV can maybe run 50 Hertz power Or you know it can run off the power, but it might not be able to display The pal which is 50 Hertz video signal because they're two different Two different readings, you know on the back of a TV whether Whether it can accept that or not, right? It'll tell you whether you can accept 50 or 60 Hertz and Well, I've seen on the Trinitar on the the European Trinitrons, I've seen 50 Hertz 60 into all of them and never having a problem so alpha is saying 50 Hertz always flicker even at 60 Yeah, see so I don't know and that's something I don't know enough about is because it's it's like I feel bad for like the pal signal thing because there's like always so many Now weird questions about it and it's something that I I don't have Any real experience with Where because I just never found pal consoles very often ever really This is bringing up a good point And I think what I'm gonna do is bring home because I okay Yeah under a luminario working only with BVMs But I have got a whole bunch of those 20 inch Trinitrons in my storage And I think I want to bring one home just to double check just to confirm everything because I think I go Like the power like what power it accepts is Not the same as whether it can display 50 Hertz content or 60 Hertz content Yeah, right. That's like that's separate. Yeah, that's what I always thought to me. I'm not an engineer on power but there's There's yeah, that's two different types So Yeah, like some people will say that it will show it in color and not because that's kind of the color standard But some some sets will just not show anything Like there are some there even some PVMs that do not support other Regions and so you could put a pal signal into certain PVMs It will show nothing and then of course if you put it into a PVM that would that's multi region It will of course show it in 50 Hertz. It shows it in the natural pile It says it's 50 Hertz And here's another point that I think we need to dig into Robert Cree said 60 Hertz on pal TVs with composite You get black and white because I think okay. There's 50 60, but pal and NTSC is separate from that Okay, you can have pal 60 doesn't some countries have pal 60 or technically you could do NTSC 50. I think right so The color so Robert's thing like if you plug in right I wonder but is that is that only see now We're getting and we need to get we need to get this place game or to tell us about this stuff because Different things because right you could you could have it where it's not Yeah, where we could be completely kind of off where maybe it's just a thing of this only certain things of this only Pertain to like composite and RF signals to where maybe RGB can run 50 Hertz or 60 Hertz, right? See that okay, that's a good one So I need to get one of those consume sets do some double-checking because I think that the the color thing when you plugged it in And you couldn't get color right because it's the NTSC or pal that's NTSC a pal And I don't think that's quite linked to the refresh rate. That's just the coloring coding Standard pal or NTSC now so happens that NTSC is usually 60 So I think that's why those terms get chucked around a lot I use 60 Hertz Scott that works out of 50 Hertz CRT, right? So RGB Well, either way, I mean RGB is not RGB doesn't matter about power or NTSC. Yeah, that's not a thing there On Right, right. So that's interesting. Yeah, it would be interesting to see How how sets they're just consumer sets do handle that because in the United States, you know, we never I Can't I don't think I've ever tested a pal Pal set a pal, you know, that's a good thing. I've actually got somebody sent a pal Mega Drive here and So I can once I get it fixed up I can try it also on like I've got a consumer set that I've modded that's RGB that's a Sony KV that I added SCART to and I Don't I'm I there's something he says it's not gonna work at 50 Hertz on that set We're gonna try this out. I'll try it see right I think it's picking through the power frequency the screen frequency at palette NTSC I think we need displaced gamer to like really lay it out Yeah, he's a genius on that one. That's such a good video of it. It's even older but now but it's it's really good if you haven't seen it on On it's on the just 480 I Contact and then it's it's funny. I think it's got a picture of what's that old? Sitcom or not sitcom. I might say it said old Show Dallas or something. It's a almost a soap opera From the 90s. That's like part of the thumbnail on that one Just to rub it in the chat He says I can't use American RF on my PAL TVs, which I think we should I says I can't use American NTSC Okay, now Robert my question to you is do you only get black and white in that scenario or nothing at all? Black and white I would understand because the that just means your PAL TV can't decode NTSC And as he has also said in the previous one, that's usually older sets You know anything from the early 90s onwards There you go, yeah, I don't I don't that's that's a good question because I don't I'm thinking too that there are some sets that have a wider range of The frequencies that they can pick up I bet especially when you get back into like analog tuners I bet you there are Now you're talking about the frequency of RF that's a fourth thing. That's what there's so much garbage in this Analog video signal here We're getting like that's what I'm saying like what if this certain certain Certain pal sets have an RF tuner that can tune it There's a channel that the RF comes on which is another like cuz that's what we're talking about with Roger With his with the Famicom. Oh, yeah, because then he's doing Japanese RF RF right is whatever whatever the frequency is for Japanese channel two and three whatever is the back on that that happens to be the same frequency as American It's like 98 and 97 or something Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's upper 90s channels, which is funny enough something that you can't get to unlike The vast majority of old CRTs from America, you can't get past like channel 70 on more of them They like fight you to go over that So it's that's another Problem, but I still think that Japanese is in indeed isn't that NTSC? It is but we're not again. We're talking now. We're talking about the Frequency that the RF tunes to nothing to do with the 50 60 Hertz there nothing I was saying I just tested 50 and 60 Hertz about 50 Hertz flickers But what's the source there out because you're in the EU right as I understood I think he said he was in Denmark That's crazy 50 60 Hertz inputs on okay on a on a European set wouldn't 50 be good Anyway, tell us more right more about your yeah, you put your signal in there. Thanks for a super guy. Oh, yeah Thank you very much Super guy is the guy who sent in the two small CRTs that I did the I did the Work on you know the the smallest Trinitron or the index tron video that was his index tron and then the world's smallest CRT video With the quarter-sized screen he did that Yeah, glad to see you're doing better Steve looking forward. Excellent CRT. Thank you super guy. That's So yeah, definitely go click on his His channel if you haven't watched yet. He's got some really cool shots He does of of his CRTs in a really awesome collection. He's been making CRT videos Very cool stuff But thank you for the super chat for sure. I really appreciate that I'm writing down some notes because this picking through this 50 60 power this sounds like a good topic to to dig into later In the aria All right good. Yeah It's it's Really an interesting an interesting Topic that that barely matters almost it's I Always think this is this might be something that is is weird to some but it's funny How you and I love this about the CRT like Fandom and and all the people that are in it But you have some people who are obsessed with trying to like nail down and get like this crazy RF signal, right? And then you have people that are the exact opposite into the spectrum who are trying to get this super crisp RGB signal and They're both equally passionate about why they're like running Two different directions from each other Right and there's not a wrong answer there if they love it the way they look And that's I really like love seeing that you know people exploring both ends of this and not just saying Hey RF sucks Leave it alone Put it in the garbage where it all these belong. No, I think that's cool Let's keep pushing this and it it's definitely given you a different visual experience You know, it's it's it's like when you go to the art museum and you look at a painting, right? That's different like you go and you look at it from a far away Perspective they're all okay, and then you go really really close and you might see something different or something looks different So it's like it's all perspective So I think it's a fun thing There was a question earlier on that I think we skipped but we'll go down Is there have you Steve found a situation where you need to add a fan to a CRT? Have you ever done that? personally, I have not now I have talked with People who have inserted them into BVMs and It's not you know, you're just looking for a small connection point that runs Whatever your voltage you DC you need for the fan You can find some and you can find generally something on there that supplies the right voltage and a ground connection That's always when the monitor is powered on it's always on so you always have the fan running I think it's a great idea But it's it's something I have Never like added an additional fan to one that didn't have one. I've seen other people do it, but I've never Actually taken the time to do it and it's probably something I shouldn't do it tutorial on some time It's hard to know when you should right and How do I know do I got to get the old like heat gun out or something? And is there actually going to be like a benefit to it, right? Are you actually drawing air over the right spots where it's actually making any good difference? Or is it just pulling air and it's not really Impacting it's kind of I mean that that gets into a whole nother design thing where it's like Okay, it's like the crazy people that would chop a big hole in the bottom of their PlayStation 4s and say they added an exhaust hole Into it into the plastic so it was getting cooler when in right reality That whole case is designed in a way to pull air in over a certain, you know, it's engineered for this So you just screwed up the whole engineering if it was beneficial to have that then at the bottom Sony would have just been like screw it. We'll put this vent right here. It would have been like that so You know, then you're getting into it really need to do probably heat studies on how Beneficial would be I now in reality. I feel like if you could mount a fan over those hot spots That's probably safe But then you're somehow getting that all the way down in there where it's like blowing on the chips And the deflection area to cool it down, right? That's the hottest area on the boards is deflection and power So right you could but it's hard to know when it's hard to know because I've got my my 20 inch BVM And I am covering I've got some stuff on the top of it But I'm so I'm trying to not cover the vent holes Yeah, mostly not covered the side ones are okay. There's some on the back. I think it's all right. I Because if I think of where did I pull that 20 inch BVM from I pulled it from an outside Broadcast van like the semi trailer that had a wall of Screens of CRT's all mounted. There was one big 20 inch in the middle I think there was two 14's either side and then they had rows of the 8's the 8 9's on top and bottom that Pretty hot like also. I'm not saying like CRT's can't get pretty hot But well and it's driving around in certain times of the year where you know It has to get hot right from the sunlight to where it's like ambient conditions where you're not even using those monitors And they're just getting hot in the parking lot Probably sometimes so it's definitely less of a intense environment I think that if it would have been a real problem while these things were now, you know, we're looking at is a Preservation project, but back when these things were new a lot of companies did not seem to or Sony Specifically did not seem to put fans in the vast majority of this style of CRT I have seen Sony's with them, but fans, but those are more on the PC side Where they're getting hot and there's a lot less vent holes. It seems like on some of those, right? Oh Because also, yeah, Sony really made those those really like the later ones They're really curved around the the the tube at the back and I guess if they get maybe he also had a lot of a lot of shielding shielding there was that was that's holding in heat The good thing about kind of the PVM and BV BVM designs even is they are spaced out a bit To allow just natural and that's what they kind of got the vent holes to allow like a natural airflow to go through it And they just seem to be able to withstand. I guess a higher heat tolerance than a lot of things You know, they're definitely built better better components better everything than a standard set that I'm sure would Suffer from some kind of problem if it was in the same kind of environment Right so that was a good point that you made that your typical BVM PVM is square You're promoted as a square for a number of reasons when they fit into a professional environment easier But also that means there's a lot of room in there because even that 20-inch the 20 inch tritron that I put on Twitter that I said who wants it can take it. That's an older one and you can see how the back It's not a square and it curves in around. Yeah, I can imagine. Well, there's not there's no air There's I can imagine maybe that's a Yeah, yeah, it's a restrictive. It's a more restrictive environment where it's not Doing right the alpha question was does a 50 Hertz Pal CRT get overheated by displaying a 60 Hertz signal. No, I wouldn't imagine that would be an issue But it's just gonna get it's not gonna add extra heat to it. Oh I don't think I can't imagine that doing anything like that Pretty much iron on that one like that. I know that what I've been doing this I've run a lot of 60 Hertz in European sets.  That's a direct thing that can impact your CRT's tube life And fly back life actually And it actually puts higher energy at the screen and especially if it's a higher end CRT Those could actually push more we've talked about this push way more voltage Then the tubes themselves could it's expect and that's why you have the overload in a lot of those CRTs Here I like this there was a another question that was way up before and it's a philosophical one I think more than anything it's because it comes up so often and The question is like what are the best consumer sets to get? and I really I struggle with this question because I I Mean it with respect and I know people are asking questions that make sense I don't know nothing about CRTs while I'm looking at Facebook marketplace. There's loads of sets. How do I know? How do I know that one the grandma's God? How do I know that one a guy selling one for a hundred bucks? Which one should I get like what you're going after right? It's hard I think broadly like if you want to say what I'm going after I think you could broadly say a brand maybe if you want to say Oh, well, I want to get a Trinitron or I'm definitely gonna get this model or an old RCA or something like that But the sort of go further in and say I want the Trinitron KV data data Unless you have a really specific size or use case or something like I don't sort of see the use is saying I'm gonna hold out for that model or that's a better model or less There was just something really specific that you knew that set did for some reason and you did or didn't need that I Just don't think it you could sort of answer something like or what model should I look out for? What are your thoughts on that topic? Yeah, I think it's more of a Like you can put it in the perspective of a better a better way to look at it to categorize the CRT on what to look for Would be like the styles and the performance You have to almost it's sometimes we're in a position now where you can almost forget about brands sometimes Because let's face it. There's often instances, especially when you get into PC CRTs where you'll run into something That's you don't know the internals of it is actually something really high-end But it just has a different weird name like Dell or something on the outside and you don't realize it's actually one of the nice Trinitrons or any C monitors or Mitsubishi's or something and So I think that the best thing you can do is go, okay if I'm looking for a consumer set What's the style of consumer set that I want? And what's what's important? So you're gonna need to kind of make a list like a let's prioritize a list here first things All right, so what's important to me? Well first off I want a color set so It sounds silly But that literally takes a lot of sets out of the equation So you can say okay I don't want to fool around with a color set and the only time that kind of gets specifically important is when you're looking at Trying to find like an old-school set that has like wood grain Because they made black and white sets like that up into like the 90s And so you could get one and think it's color and it's just a black and white set That's what Bob actually did with me one time recently. He sent me this 80s five Magnavox is like fix it.  So then you have to pick your inputs like right do you need component? Because if you do then you're immediately Cutting out all these other CRTs, right? And if that's the most important thing to you then you should consider Hey, I need to find a CRT that's looks good and that does component right not not so much what branded is is it good? You know Toshiba JVC Sony RCA if it has component video support built into it at this point. It's probably a pretty good CRT if it still works That's a good point, but it's not but you're not going to be able to find a wood grain 1980s or even like the all-black sets very rarely are you going to find any of those From the mid 90s. It's you're going to have to separate what you care about now If you want one of these other style CRTs like like Roger when I talked to him or Bob They're like now I want something that's RF. That's wood grain that works its color. That's from that late 70s to early 85 that has that nostalgia and Probably pretty much only does RF. Maybe it has composite input. So then you're thinking I'm not really where I have to differentiate my needs there So then you pick your inputs and then if you're really trying to nail this down you can start thinking what's important to me Do I like the curved glass on all aspects of a shadow mask tube? Do I like the one curve of the Trinitron? Do I like a flat screen and I don't want to deal with that? Those are all questions that Will go into whatever and that's a great thing and individuals Taste on what they like. Do I want to go widescreen and stretch it and Play my games like a psychopath I'm still trying to find that that 16 by 9 and while I'm sunny sunny sunny all the way because there's so few of them around There was that Phillips one and I was a bit like I think the Phillips one might if like might also be quite an acceptable option As well. So sure do you want HD or SD? widescreen or not and like if you want SD But 16 by 9 whoo, you'll be looking for a while To have Don't want that I mean some of them did I think for a little there's one PVM There's a PVM. That's a 20 inch widescreen. It's like PVM 20 SW one It's the only one I remember seeing and it's a widescreen 20 inch analog only CRT from the mid 1990s So Yeah, it's it's one that doesn't come up very often It doesn't even have a high line count because again, it's widescreen. It's like 250 or 400 lines So it's not high resolution. It wasn't anything that got so many excited the only reason they are the only time They jumped in was when it was All the way down into the a multi formats and you know high MBVM's D series in the a series they got those widescreens for that We'll see it if you're talking about good things like again, we didn't even mention this till you said it Panasonic's another great band Brandt. Sorry There's the I've never even seen one of these either but towel TV's ta you That's something that shanks got a big Fixation with loves those things. So there's like certain sets that are really high level on the consumer end and I think that now you can research more ahead of time and and Find out what? Fits your need. Yeah, what inputs have you got? How do you want that's the styling of the set?  It's a little bit newer. What what are you plugging into it? What what are you gonna? What are your inputs to you like if a component only but then you're gonna have a switch and so forth Yeah, it's a good way to think about it. What am I looking for besides? It's not like that is the best model to get it doesn't really work like that No, and the weird thing is is when you when you progress as a collector of this weird stuff, and it's funny I sent a tweet out this morning that it's it's been like five years now since I started making CRT videos which is just nuts to me because if we go back five years that we look at the landscape The reason I started making videos is it was like nothing online But now five years later. I mean if you go on YouTube, you'll find out buttload of Videos content passionate reviews on certain sets and then Expand even further off that and there's so much on social media and even websites like Like the CRT database and the CRT wiki, you know, those things are being built currently So there's all kinds the good thing is now you have more Information available to try to if you really do want to nail down a set that you like specifically hunting for You've got a lot more information out there than again just going. Oh, well, I see this JVC that's available down the street What does it really look like or does it again? Or maybe looking at a HD set with HD of mine? You don't realize that that set only operates with lag or something So it's not going to be good for 240p, but 480p might be amazing. Yeah, right So this sort of nuance Jason was talking about here in the chat Availability and yeah, at the end of the day, what can you get your hands on and coming back to your video? What can I get locally versus shipped knowing that shipping pretty if he might even be the biggest problem in the retro?  We're all just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks so any old CRT shit Michael was asked it earlier. Have you seen a situation where you change the screens? Sorry, when you change the brightness the screen size changes. Oh Yeah, like if you're increasing the brightness and it starts like changing size a little bit That's that's like a sign that you you know, that's that's putting that's the voltage like getting increased on that tube And it's having a reaction to it it could be a sign of a flyback that's You know going kind of weak it could be a sign because whenever you start seeing like the screen kind of do this kind of stuff It can be a flyback issue Could be a power issue. It's hard to say sometimes like it could be anything Yeah, it's Excuse me if it was like a fully restored set Where you'd recapped everything that was bad and restored and you still had this issue It could just be an actual flaw in the CRT design if it's something itself where it just if you do that It tends to like I said Sometimes this voltage is higher than the the tube could take and there was definitely a difference in qualities of tubes as They were coming out of production facilities so Yeah, it could be anything from you know if again putting too much stress on the components to Maybe a flaw in the design. Maybe some repairs needed This is fun. Yeah, I keep it on if you guys have more stuff I still get a good amount of people here. We can keep it rolling. I've got a whole nother hour Before I have to do anything. I don't know about Lewis It's Friday night 7 p.m. On a Friday night. I've got no beer. I've got no weed Listen, I was gonna say a funny story, right? Did I tell you that I actually got recognized do we didn't talk about this? I think on mention this to me, but let's you wrote to me and let's talk about it We didn't talk about this though like on the last recording I don't believe like I don't want to double-hash it, but I don't believe we did I think we just stuck to stuck to our normal plan. So yeah, I actually had my first Retro tech celebrity kind of moment and it was I mean I was cracking up so it's not I Don't have a big head or anything. I think everybody knows that. I just really Was kind of blown away this all happened We've talked of many times about how I go to these college basketball games Down here at the University, which is two miles from me less than two miles. Well, um, I I it was last weekend and it was the last game of the year and I had two tickets to it and Normally I take my family my son somebody with me, but my son went to a Kids camp summer camp or winter camp. I'm sorry here. It's winter and then My daughter and my wife went out of town to a dance competition for her Child-age like Hip-hop or something. I don't know jazz. I don't know what they call it dance and she's doing out of town So I'm going to the game by myself.  What are you retro tech? I was like, yeah, that's that's that's me and he's like dude Do you live around here? And I was like, yeah Kind of close and I was like, are you a college student?  He's like, yeah, that's awesome.    I'd love to if this guy told us if he ever hears about this story. Send us photos of your setup, bro We want absolutely sweet CIT. What are you rocking out there? What's what's going on? Well, so he's already hooked up with a CRT, so he doesn't need that. Thanks to Jory in the chat. Thank you We appreciate any contribution. Yes, Jory if you're gonna dive in and fix that CRT my only advice to you my friend is watch Steve's video about how to D deal take the electricity away from the CRT when you're opening one up my goodness He's so he had a terrible situation. It sounds like a power surge Fried the G comp switch capture card and CRT. So here's the thing You may be able I would recommend reaching out to somebody like I Fixed retro on any social media. It's a friend of mine. He's in New York But I believe that he has fixed there's something that gets fried when this happens, maybe like a gate or diode or Transistor or something on those calm those switches the G switches the G series either it's scarred or comp So you may be able to get that repaired pretty easily by somebody who just knows what they're doing already I would contact him on that as far as the capture card You're probably better off buying another one that stinks, but and the CRT depending on what it is Man, that's gonna be a tough one. Maybe you got lucky though, and it could be just a fuse got fried That's the hope that's the lucky thing if you is a lot of those CRTs You could open up and right on the input lines of the power There'll be a main fuse that's like a glass fuse and you can even visually tell if that fuse is blown Usually so maybe you got lucky and just the fuse blue and if that's the case You can replace just the fuse and maybe you said we'll be fine But always be careful when taking off the back of a TV like yeah I haven't it's that's one of the few videos that still gets a lot of views Years later is my bad videos on safety, and I'm just I haven't gotten my will up yet to make a good one Updated one on safety. It's like I made those and I'm like man I really need to go back for years. I've been thinking that because I know so much more than I did three or four years ago Wow the fuse is healthy Replacing everything on the board like every oh my goodness every cap every yeah You could pull the like I sees and check Christ like you get like the transistors you can get a transit component tester like this This is like 12 bucks off of Amazon Little kit and you put your component in here and as long as it has this many legs or less It actually tells you what the component is and if it's failed or not I've tried that with boards that I've had issues with where I pull every component I'll stick it in here and I sometimes you just never know it could be a primary chip like a Proprietary chip that was damaged and if that's the case then yeah, it sucks. It's pretty much done You know what's the RT is it? I mean how much that says like you're in for a lot of work right now Oh, yeah, hard for you to just replace it or get another one or something like or if you can find it report like the same model and keep your tube if you know your tube is good maybe and So that would be an interesting thing. All right, but having said that Jory did say no idea what I'm doing Well, there's 400 videos to choose from The channel about fixing CRTs, which is crazy And a tree's digital basement does have some really good videos on CRTs. That is true So that's it's another another moment of famous Another another famous moment, which was more like a famous fail was the funny one I told I Got told Bob this story last time I saw him I went and I was at a convention and I probably told you this where I was wearing my laser bear shirt Because I like the laser bear t-shirts and some dude I was standing in my own booth which said retro tech everywhere. He ran up to me and Was like gushing over me and the whole time he kept saying he thought I was laser bear. Are you laser bear? I'm like, oh my gosh. No. Oh I think I know you you're cool I was like, thanks, man Well, it's nice that they you know appreciated shango 066 is like one of the OG's of YouTube and Yeah, CRTs. Oh my gosh. Yeah, like it was like an hour video He likes he works on the really old stuff like beyond my scope of knowledge These are the old-school tubes that are from the 50s 60s and they have like cataract lenses on them And he likes to like blow up Capacity videos where he like blows up capacitors And like fries CRTs, which is pretty funny. I mean, but this guy been doing it forever him and like him and The guy that we've talked about here from Australia, why can't GB Bob? Yeah, Rob, right? Yeah, Rob. Yes So they've both they've both OG's that were like making content on CRTs before me All right, we got another one spot anime. Thank you for the super chat For two different CRTs with a weird wave That affects horizontal scrolling both on the same on the side could the tube be affected by interference from electrical outlets because Could it be affected by the electrical outlet, maybe if you're just not using it on a surge protector Unless there's something issue with the power the more now The way you could really eliminate that as a theory is to move the CRT to a different power spot and see if it does it Right and then if it still does it then it's an actual issue with the set and then unfortunately like that's most likely a capacitor issue on the board somewhere if it is like that so You'll have the problem is it could be a capacitor in the power block or the deflection block or the input board So it's not like there's one it could be any of them that that's tough Yeah, it's not like because I could tell you it's definitely a deflection capacitor because like 60 to 70 percent of time it is But then I don't want you to go think that it's just the deflection and it in turn is just a input board or Power complex capacitor But spot spot out of a say two different CRTs had did they have exactly the same thing same like the same console both of them Was it the same was one more? That's another that's another good Point if it's if it's a signal problem, right could it be a signal it could be a signal problem, too Is it a signal problem, right? Tell us a bit more about it That would be an interesting one Yeah, so that's that's a I've not really had an instance where I plug I've never seen that Where I actually plugged a CRT in like to a wall and had like an act weird You know, I've never ever seen that now that doesn't mean that it's not possible because I've learned myself that Never to say anything's impossible At a good a good example of that is When I was in the last meeting giving my museum class About the Sony PVM 2030s and then the dot the one we've been talking about earlier the Diatronics another problem with the Diatronics monitors was They would have the giant video walls that we had shown before of the Namjoon pike Exhibits where it's just an insane video wall with like a hundred CRTs on it and the year the Diatronics sets don't have certain features obviously that Pro sets have so Pro sets have an ability to delay a digas, you know, the ball Turn on a CRT and it ball A lot nearly all of them have some kind of built-in digas are and generally speaking those all go off Right when you turn it on if you have a video wall video wall with a hundred CRTs and They're all surrounding each other and you fire them up once a day and every morning there's There's a degaussing bong strong enough to like set off the Richter scale Like for a 2.0 earthquake if it's sitting in the room And it's not good for the power well not good for the power But it's also I had these guys from another museum telling me they did this and it caused one of the CRTs to crack and like implode because of the force of All of them going off at once and I said that's brilliant. I'd never even heard of that I said, but it makes complete sense as to why Sony builds in a digauss delay Because if you're in an environment like they're used to with professional monitors and it's like a huge video wall They're like holy crap This these don't need to go digauss at the exact same moment So it's like these five will digauss then two seconds later these three and it's a whole process of kind of Taken down that energy a little bit Yeah, I've seen that I see that on the All the bbm's that I have that they all have that's an option in the you can set it per set or if they're remotely managed You could you can handle that way spot anime's got 27 inch.  Just go move it somewhere Just call every fridge you have and tell them to come over and hang out Don't tell them the parties about moving CRTs around the place the giant powers It's I guess the good thing you could do is you could always try an extension cable, right? I guess so.  I just need to borrow your I just need to borrow a thousand watts for five seconds Just need to borrow a couple watts power is so expensive these days.  I know right Yeah, we got some other people trying to help out of here, so that's cool It is hard to know it so I mean with the CIT does something well and like we're saying here I've been like approached to research a situation where interference That is in an area, you know is impacting basically Consumer sets. Maybe you are in a spot that is getting some weird interference from some frequency The problem not the power. I don't know that's another thing like we're saying here if I'm having museums tell me that They're having interference on their CRTs that are basically consumer sets That's what you've got our two consumer sets that are large. There could be the same issues where something in the actual field of magnetism or Radio frequencies is affecting that possibly because we all know CRTs are affected by outside energy. I Wonder spot at a mate. Do you have a possibility to test the third screen? Maybe not 27 inch Maybe something a little bit more manageable, but so I doubt that just to see is it something else doing it Definitely so it's it's that's the that's the double-edged sort of CRT troubleshooting. It's rarely You know, it's rarely something so simple unless you're like save on Pat and you've seen everything So have you talked to Pat recently? not since probably December, so I mean that's not too unrecent but Not I Just call him when I have like a serious incident about a PVM It's like here, and I'm like banging my head against the wall, and I don't have any idea what to do with it But I don't know what if what if the other he could hook up another large one I don't know that too if that's yeah, it depends if it's just wavy could it also be just bad Combined Geometry in an area Wow, it's it's a lot man. It's like How many how many factors it really could be without it's hard and it's hard to say without like looking at it And what are you doing with two 27s of 132 which? Oh, yeah, man Here where are you putting all these things? I was gonna say I don't remember. I don't know what I may have Well, I don't have that many big teeth well that work I Got a bunch in the graveyard that are that big Bunch of big tubes out there I Actually have a 20 man. I got it. I got that sweet. I've been sitting out there forever 25 inch I think RCA CRT that I got off the street And I've still not done anything with it's such a good it was a brilliant tube it fits in my Arcade cabinet if I ever want to switch that tube out Okay, so I grabbed it when I saw it off the street But you should have seen the neighbors when they saw me like because I didn't even what it was so ridiculous I didn't even want to go like get my car and pick it up I was like, I'll just carry this 27 inch set two blocks to my house And then like 27. Yeah, so then I'm like carried it and this lady walks by me. She's like, are you okay? What are you doing?  And I was like, don't worry. I'm almost there And then carried uphill up the driveway And then it's been tested and sat in the garage waiting for its moment of glory This would be the next big CRT I do a video on hopefully be that one So if you wanted to put that into your Neo Geo cabinet Would you like would you mean like you take the beasel off and when you take the beasel off in the glass then it fits Yeah, so if you if you get into the cabinet it only has a Black paper and not paper. It's cardboard Beasel like that's the actual bezel it and it's got a piece of glass in front of that So you just remove those two things and it's only four bolts hold in the whole Monitor and chassis with everything all in it and then you you could just disconnect that directly from them Jam a harness and have the same mounts though. Oh, yeah, it's cuz it's the same. It's the same tube It's like the same tube. You don't even have to like you could just unplug the neck board And you can use the neck board and you could use the same yoke So I don't even have to change the deflection yoke. It plugs into this KV Wells Garner chassis that I can't remember what the model number of it is but it works together So it's it's just literally for the tube, but but the other thing is is it's actually Considered a monitor It's from the early 90s. It's more along the lines of like an earth like a presentation Monitor it only has composite input, but it can be modified for s-video and RGB So then I was like man, it's just really like one that I might want to Try as just turning into a great CRT to use elsewhere besides destroying it. It's got the plastic Woodgrain, you know the faux wood grain on it. So it's it's fun with that faux wood grain Hmm Sony's are heavy. You're right. She's see those BVMs. Those are back breakers Right at least at least that I'm my one has the 20 inch that I have has two handles on the side Yeah, they break it, but at least I could pick it up like that because I dropped a 20 inch Trinitron not very high only about this far, but I was moving them in my storage room and Yeah, it just slipped out of my hand. I'm a boot straight down on the glass and it's fine I didn't crack the beat. Oh, it's all right. No, I didn't crack the beasel. So it's okay I mean, it's certainly not good for it to to do that But it just slipped straight out of my hands because they're all curved and beautiful and designed with Sony Beautiful design language which looks fantastic, but it's not very easy to get your hands into Well, and they only had some of them didn't have anything to grab some of them We're like grab here and it's like a real weird spot and then you feel it's a bit of flimsy plastic or something right and If you get into the BVMs Those would have the handles and then you got to like the big BVMs like the 32 inch one and those had like four Handles on it. So you pick it up like you're kid You have to have like four people like you're taking it, you know, it's like Paul bears You need like Paul bears to move like It's like, you know, you're like who's my who's my BVM 32 inch Paul bear team Like it's saying you will need more than one person to move this monitor. That's what that is saying. Yes, right there You're going to the ball Yes, yes, yes And if you don't know that actually the there is a handle on the 13 inch PVMs, which is like right under The bottom and it's like a little clip or cut out spot where you can stick your hand under there But I don't think most people don't have unless you have like Physical issues you don't probably have a problem with 13 inches and less. It's always these Backbreakers that are over 50 pounds Or FG software who I was talking to and he brought that 14 inch PVM all the way across Tokyo, right if you have to take it a long way Then also that can be a bit of it. Yeah, you got a walk up a couple of kilometers with a 14 Ned thinks that had to become a little bit dicey I was talking should have go ahead. What's the consensus on the Mitsubishi consumers? Yeah, he's great fucking great Yeah, yeah, and they're not they're not as easy to find unfortunately like that particular I You know, I it's not something you run into all the time the Mitsubishi's but they're They're especially Diamond Tron series of PC monitors are top level But if you find I say go for it I say Why not you're gonna have a good time Yeah, but those diamond trons they were really good Unless it's maybe like a super early Mitsubishi you might not let's see even then I believe still that a lot of times Mitsubishi worked with NEC and Sometimes you get into where those are really well made by NEC and they just have a panacea or I'm sorry Mitsubishi logo so even the earlier CRTs could have NEC parts in them. So if they're NEC, then that's another great company that made CRTs back in the day So I'm gonna take a quick toilet break go for it back. You talk to everyone Steve. All right. Yeah, we still got 25 minutes for sure. We can hang out here. So if you guys have any questions just hit it up in the live chat I'm kind of monitoring it from my phone But this has been a fun experience. I hope that everybody out there is enjoying our conversations I Do have As far as like upcoming CRT projects This is one thing that was donated to me man like in the last year And I'm trying to finally do my rightful episode on one of them You can tell there that the camera is showing you everything backwards. I probably because it probably says all this text backwards, but This mega watchman Sony So check this out. This was something someone had seen a viewer had seen in An antique shop and I even left this little sticker on the side because the antique shop said it's just for show 1980s Sony watchman does not function and it was sold for five dollars So he grabbed it and sent it to me and I'll be darned if the little thing just doesn't work perfectly all it needs Is it it does have like a weird? Cable that Sony made from this time period you look like it looks like one of those inputs or cable power inputs that will work on Anything but specific that someone's won't work on it like some certain Cables won't work with this. So I'm not sure what Sony did. There's an external power supply available But this thing works perfectly everything about it. So that's one of the things I've really been wanting to do a good video on Someone did it also ask about the PVM 4300 PVM 4300 43 inch PVM and Before before we get into that because I want to talk about that again There is a way to use these things and actually get a video signal into them That's what part of the video will be about but to sum that up. There's an awesome little External antenna jack right here in this and I found an adapter from Amazon that you plug into that and it gives you a coax Into this so it just goes like TRS to coax and so you can screw on an old coax cable and You can tune this to channel 3 or channel 4 and if you're using a vcr Then you just feed the signal through any type of tuning device and that's how you get like Anything into it Cool, and so yeah, I figured it was backwards. Okay, so back to this 43. Do you remember when shank was talking about this? Me yes, uh, no, I'm looking at it. I'm looking it up again now Just double the four so this is like a legendary 43 inch crt I think it's kind of like the 20 30 25 30 like that frame like it and all I've ever seen is an advertisement of A lady standing next to this thing and it's like she's like five inches taller than this set And that's all I've personally ever seen But I remember shank like six months ago was trying to see if I had any context that knew That could like go that day Somewhere in Japan and move a supposed 4,300 that been found in a building that was said to be The building was said to be demolished within 24 hours or something Do you have any contacts in Japan that will go over and get this 4,300? I'm like Even if they find it it's gonna be like exhuming Gilgamesh's tomb. How are you gonna get it out? Are you gonna need a darn? search party To get it and like I was like, that's a great. That's a great quest. I wish I could help It's a great quest. What are we gonna do to get on my private jet and fly over there right now to pick it up? Seems not I think that must have been an expensive set to make if there's not that many of them 40 560 lines well, so I think we've got that many lines Yeah, that's the same level of sharpness that you'd find on the 25 30 and the 20 30 actually so that makes sense Whoo, we had a lot here. Hi to chappy saying hello to us here. Hey guys Chappy chat farm key should I drop out of college? Definitely? 100% yeah, especially if you're asking us. What do you think? Are we if could you imagine if we were School counselors on what to do with your life. Oh my goodness. I still have arguments with like I'm a 40 year old man in my and I still get the old.  Do you really think this is gonna last forever? And then I'm trying to be like do you understand that like I've worked for all these big companies and There's just any moment.    What do they give you something? Yes, severance Severance is that like your I feel like that's known these days like you and me We sort of came from the end of that year Where people did have jobs for a long time. So maybe these days things are known more like it's more on the front Like there isn't that loyals anymore. No, no, no, no, it's crazy my my I remember getting out of college And it was like, oh, you need to go with this. It's a company. I went and worked for you need to go work for this company People work for this company their whole lives and it's like it's so interesting to me that Like my parents generation dream was something involved with like working with a single company And so this company is super loyal to you and your vice versa loyal to it and it's almost like your second spouse So that that you guys are loyal is all get out together But that is such a farce like right after I got out of college and two years later They're laying everybody off And nobody is like everybody's scrounging to find work in any field possible And and it's that's that's been kind of like the claw and you know, I never experienced beyond that first job I never experienced like An opportunity within like the corporate system Almost like big corporate system where I would I would want to have pursued that and I've never been almost it's weird I've never been like an opportunity back into that realm Like a being in a big company that you could be like ever since then I've kind of done smaller company stuff or things on my own I struggle to think that I could ever have a nine to five job again And I'm not sure what to do about that It does somewhat limit my opportunities I mean, it's not like I need to go back to a job just yet But I I guess things would have to get pretty desperate from like Because I'm not sure I could do it. How would we ever film this podcast? How would I ever How would I ever do my days watching star trek the card in the middle of the day? People want me to go to that office. Oh my god I was gonna go back to what another thing from Jory earlier He said can I do a madman thing and acquire a trinitron bubble tube? I think he means a curved tube and swap up with a flat screen No, not really now.  He actually showed me this crazy sony Uh like nine I want to say it's like less than 10 inch sony and it's in a white case But it actually is a samsung tube in it And it's a shadow mask with sony and blips on it and it's It's so it's it's the bubble tube I don't know if it says trinitron on it though. Anyway, he's supposed to send me Eventually that to review. So I was always intrigued by that, but you can't normally Maybe you can but this is going back to our buddy Who we did the big interview with a year ago thomas and the crt thing it's like The way that you make Like any crt work on the the Arcade chassis would be the only way this would work It's like the yoke induction has to match from what the chassis needs So maybe if you're a mad scientist and configure all that out You could do it, but it's not going to be simple Maybe What area of the country is retro tech located? Were you Tennessee? No, that was old school. That's the old spot. I know it's yeah, it's virginia now So east coast virginia mid-atlantic area. I'm like two hours Two hours west of washington dc area Capital of the united states Hey, I have a question for you steve, which I don't have a good answer to what What if I wanted to make a video wall with a number of crt's? Yeah, what Could I use but let's say I want to make the video wall It's not just the duplicating the picture, but let's say I've got four in a cube and I want the display one One picture. Yeah, that's done with like a matrix control. So there's like there's certain extras that have that ability And then there's you have to do you have to do like a matrix control programming And it's literally like a board that tells Each screen which portion Yeah To show It's because that's how Yeah, you have to have right. It's not something that's natively done from the tv It's specific hardware that was capable of doing that and I'm not sure what like modern hardware I'm sure modern hardware could emulate that pretty easily If maybe on a well, there's probably no doubt. There's numerous hdmi solution Yeah, but they're all going to be dealing with 720p and up Correct that if it's a modern hdmi solution I wish there was sort of I wouldn't even mind I would buy like a raspberry pi mini or something for each of them And there was something that some other main unit that split it up some other main pi Split it up and sent that that'd be cool. So you have to you would have to find Yeah, to get it done with analog signal correctly, you need to go back and find one of the actual probably enter You know extra on matrix or there's another brand called crestron From that era that's not extra, you know rip off extra on crestron Those would have matrix, but you're going to be it's very tricky because again A lot of these things you'll find now will be in that digital space and they won't work Matthew Raspberry Pi matrix controller. I just made that up by the way. There you go That's not a real thing that I think says retro will have it by the end of Mark's I'm gonna have it done. Yeah on all express absolutely for sale I mean it'd be cool to have the I would thought maybe to put something behind me with the smaller eight inch screens or something But it can only really do the duplication, which is straightforward Uh-huh. Yeah, it's I don't and I don't actually have one of the matrix switches I need to ask that that's another good question for my museum contact like which ones are actually doing this and Which ones are actually still operating in that analog space because they know more about which ones are sticking to analog which one's moving up into the higher end Digital sphere of Whatever and it signals those guys would know. Yeah So that would that's a good one And it's not eight by eight. Well, those are good, but those are again inputs and then They don't actually Like spread out. I don't believe those actually spread out the signal, you know, like they don't let you put it individual portions on a screen and basically set the screen Um, yeah, I don't think a shiny bow does as well jtech digital makes a similar one too, right? That's just a you can send inputs to different monitors But okay Oh, so what I'm doing also in the background right now guys Um, so if this is completely unrelated to crt's, but it's an auction So it's something we do all the time I hate mopping the floor. I freaking hate mopping the floor, right? So I want some sort of machine auto mop and I'm bidding on one right now It has 14 minutes to go on the auction Uh current bid 33 euros 50 and I'm willing to pay about 35 And I'm just I'm waiting to be a bid Who knows here? I'll put in the chat you can off I presume since it's a local auction, I presume you bastards are not going to come and For a $35 mop, but this is the mop that I'm looking at. Is it like an automatic mop? Like that mops on the tone Drives around mops. I still gotta push it. Unfortunately.  So uh, that's what I Poor lewis without kids And without dogs, right? Do you have any what mess do you have beard follicles? Beard hairs falling on the floor It's true. I have these are the I feel like I feel like I'm cleaning all day every day and then the house is never clean I took my I get my kids ready this morning And I'll be darned if my daughter like five minutes before we leave doesn't spill a huge glass of milk on herself on the three pieces of furniture Everywhere and you're like awesome. I love cleaning up milk So kids are just likely to do it. Yes. Someone just mentioned I do believe it's called Multiplexing it might be so that's a good thing because I was just looking that up right now because multiplexing has a different at least it has a different meaning Multiplex is a package of channels broadcast digitally additional services via one frequency channel Okay Okay, okay. Yeah, it's still gonna be Yeah, it's it's I can't remember the exact thing but that's that's something that I'll I'll get to the bottom of eventually you know, I really Because that's something I've not really played around with it would be fun to put a lot of it and not have to put I mean, it's just fun to have like some kind of video all hooked up And I know it's possible. So They're still doing that today. You know like video walls So there's gotta be a way to figure all that out. All right, we just had self-elected send a $10 super chat Thank you. Thank you very much for that appreciate that Bought a sony pvm 20m for you. It didn't make it that sucks It got smashed off the back of the truck everything looks okay, but the tube is cracked um If the tube is done Uh You can't that that's that's a tough one because you can't get the uh You can't get any tubes lower than that. That's the 20m for you is the tube that's in the bvms to its 800 line CRT so you have to find a 20 inch Sony crt That is 800 lines and i'm not sure what the model number of that tube is But it will only be in bvms that are 20 inches from that same time period And that's like starting with E f or g series. I know that the same tube is in any of those and d series Okay So if you find any bvm 20 e f g or d's uh Those will fit the same chassis But that's kind of more difficult because you're finding a higher end monitor You know You got to find somebody who's got a good tube that once doesn't have a good You know other parts and because then you're taking it and put it in a lesser Lesser hardware than the bvms have if it makes sense But there are a lot of other monitors that have that tube, but they're all higher end It's not like you can't use like the 20 m2 In the 1954 q or 20 l2 You can't use those. It's it's not it's not going to be like every 20 inch tube would fit Yeah, that's rough But when you say it got smashed off the back of the truck everything looks okay So what the bezels okay, but the tube Got cracked Yeah, let give us some more information too if you want to that Yeah, what happened like if it The tube can crack or what i've had happen before is and i'm surprised this didn't happen to you when you're Trying to show on the fell face first Is it hits face first and then you get this weird black filament that Almost spider webs across the front of the tube and that's the actual like insides of the tube cracking And it's not vented and it's like not vented, but it's you know It's like you've lost pressure from an internal break and it's not expanded all the way out externally It says uh It looks like this weird and it's in the video that i did there's a bunch of crt's that look like that It looks like this weird dark pattern that comes on the face of the tube and that means the tube is just shot And that can obviously happen That would be interesting to know about what is yeah, how where where is the crack on the tube? Yeah, if it's on the neck i would be surprised if it's smashed That the neck board didn't get damaged Hmm because the neck board usually gets damaged ebay, baby We all love ebay we love ebay wait to hear the next episode on definitely go after this and make sure you're Sibed up for Zez retro so you can hear our upcoming Episode which we filmed when did we film that it hasn't been that long yesterday two days ago? Goodness gracious came think So yeah, I should put the link into the chat as well. Yeah, I put the yeah Put it definitely go check out and sub up because we're gonna have another episode. We're just a normal podcast and we I go into the how how much it sucks to sell on ebay now it really does it's just We talk all about that in the next pretty much a lot of the problems with that Self-elected yes, the black stuff left and right on the outside. Yeah, he's seeing the black stuff on the tv Yeah, that's that's a shot too because I was gonna say if it's other ways the other way it breaks Is the neck will snap where like the electron gun is, you know like that weak point You get a snap right there. Oh, okay back at the link is too link is too long to post Oh, I know the ebay from the ebay listing. Oh and yeah, sometimes they're weird about links and live chats now I don't know what google or youtube doesn't like it when you put like I think i'm the only one technically for some reason they can put it in there. I'm not sure But like a link oh, you need to make me an admin of your yeah, right? So you I know I was like that's exactly what I started to think about when I was looking through here I was like, I didn't even have you as an admin. There's a thing. That's fine. Anyway, you'll find Zez retro. You know is Just type it. Yeah. Well if you just type in a comment You can click on Zez's icon it'll take you right to this channel and I'll post about it I'll post and I'll post a I always post to my community page when a new episode comes out here on retro tech Well, hey, um, I think that we're getting here to where I probably have to wrap things up here Yeah, you got it. I got I got six I got six minutes and 20 seconds on the mob. So I'm all about the mob So yeah, we that's fine. That'll do it. So yeah, dude. Let's wrap it up. This has been the first great first live stream Thank you all for watching the cup of the log on a Friday afternoon just chilling out with us So I like this format. We should do more of these things. What do you yeah trial and error, baby? I mean if you're looking you're literally looking at it like the most Less tech like we were sitting here Bang and we looked like we were like, uh The seed from zoolander where they're trying to get the files out of the computer And they just start beating it. That was that was like Louis and I trying to figure out windows 11. Oh, this is literally we could see your stop bar, bro Look at the stop bar. This is a funny thing Windows 11 updated automatically on my least Advanced computer Just ridiculous the least amount of hardware least powerful and I come in and it's totally Given itself an enema You know on its own. I told it not to I told it. I said stay away from that 11 But hey now now we're here. We're all learning together. We're having fun Yeah, thank you again everybody for coming in And uh, thank you for the super chats absolutely the super chats really do appreciate that. Thank you All right guys, you have a good day. 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Mike Grable has been working hard in Indianapolis doing a lot of things on behalf of the Tennessee Titans But also on behalf of the NFL Competition committee work a lot of work a lot of meetings, right? There's a lot of meetings There's a lot of information you gather a lot of information and you try to listen and there are a lot of reports And you know at the end of the day, it's our charge to do what's what's best for the game and for the future of the game You have such a unique Perspective when it comes to filing through some of those reports that you're giving because you get the coach's perspective And also the player's perspective How does that impact the way that you kind of evaluate some of the things that come across your desk as a part of the competition? Well, I think it's it's always important when you make decisions Whether it's for our football team or input that we would have towards the game is just to try to listen and Understand everybody's position Use the research the data the analytics and try to all tie it back into most importantly You know player health and safety and what's it's gonna be best for our players in our for our game So you know you try to gather information And then make the decision that's best for the game much discussion about making the punt play safer Would that start with maybe not letting the gunners release or are there other options? Well, there's there's a lot of options I think that You know safety is always going to be at the at the forefront. We we appreciate the data I've certainly appreciated the data tried to do our own study with our team And what we went through last year and how we can and prepare better and and try to help our team stay as healthy as possible So, you know, there'll be a lot of things that are discussed and we'll have the input from special teams coaches from players And everyone else in the on the committee in light of recent games There's also a lot of conversation about overtime rules How do you balance wanting to make it fair and equitable but also kind of preserving what has been For the entirety of the NFL and these decisions I think and conversations come up and you look at the the frequency in which they come up You try to use the the data When we talk about overtime there, there's the coin toss or You know first possession touchdowns and when those occur and what the numbers are in the regular season in the postseason So, you know, there'll be a lot of discussion and I'm sure there'll be a lot of proposals that that will work through New members to the competition committee often Express the fact that their eyes are opened on certain things when they go into those meetings Anything surprise you that you have learned as you have started into this role on the competition. I don't think anything surprised me I just think that you know, maybe the the magnitude of what everybody else is doing around You know the job that maybe you and I have with our football team, right? You guys cover us and you're but where there's numerous doctors that you know and analytical data of Officiating and how all that plays into to our game It's been a while since we've had a chance to talk to you and you have since the last time we spoke Received a contract extension with John Robinson and also received the award of coach of the year Well, of course, it's not a one-person award necessarily It has to feel good to get recognized and acknowledged after what was a challenging season Yeah, every year is challenging. Come on like we know that it always is You know, you want to be recognized be recognized for winning championships and you know, I've said this numerous times This is a this is a reflection of our players and our coaches coaches that took players that came in on Wednesday I got them ready to make significant Contributions to the football team on Sunday so much so that as we have done our cut-ups and our and our self-scout that We would probably needed a foot card for some of these guys somebody was like, well, who's that? Who's that and we had to really rack our brain to remember which player that was at that point in time in the season For us It was like doing pre-season games for 17 weeks with 90 something guys As you have done the cut-ups and you've done the breakdowns and the coaching staff back in the office working through it Where is your focus in terms of reviewing? 2021 and trying to apply correction or improvement toward 2022. Yeah, we've we've made it a And I've made a huge effort, you know We want to continue down the path of being able to teach and develop and inspire through Relationships and what makes this NFL difficult is after we lost the next week There wasn't a mat drill at 6 a.m. And the ability to have breakfast with a player players leave And we can continue to have conversations with them I'll be at about things outside of football and you know through text message and phone calls And so, you know, I encourage our staff to do that. I know how important that is And we we're always trying to do things to become better teachers and and the drills that we're using that apply to the skills that they're gonna need To help us on the field and the National Football League. There's always turnover How do you balance wanting to keep a successful roster in place while also adding in some fresh blood? Some new skill set to positions where you might need it Yeah, I think that's the challenge that John and I have in his staff and and the coaching staff Combine at different parts in the player acquisition process, whether that be through free agency or The draft and most importantly the post draft where you can really take advantage and and we've had some of those players that have made Significant contributions to our football team that that weren't drafted or weren't you know here at the combine We always have respect for opponents for example last season when we signed to Nico Autry We were thrilled. We didn't have to play him anymore. We were able to finally get that's right because we had such respect for him Same with Tim Kelly adding Tim Kelly from Houston a guy that we've had respect for because we've seen what he's done with the Texans Offense, what do you hope he adds in that offensive mix? Well adding Jim Schwartz? Let's go back and I'm just adding Jim to to our defense to our overall staff, but our defensive staff With something that you know, I didn't really do early on and I felt like The time was right the person was right the opportunity was there and I saw the impact that it made with our coaching staff During the week and in on game day and and how that role really that was what I had envisioned for it And so when the opportunity to get a guy like Tim who has Experience and I have relationship and trust with I know that he'll be able to help our offensive football team And our football team in general the willingness to tinker with maybe the coaching staff add those positions Same with the roster kind of add positions where need to be is that what has made you so successful this organization? So successful the willingness to make changes in the off. Well, you have to be able to make change I think it's inevitable skill sets Contracts there's so much that goes into You know what the roster looks like you know each year and what our roster looks like today Won't be the same that it looks in two weeks and then you know what it looks like in on September 1st So we understand that I think we all have including me a lot more patience for what that Product is going to look like what is a player interview like with the Tennessee Titans here at the Cobb? Oh, they're fun. I mean you try to figure out who these guys are and you know if they have any You know if I try to determine whether I would like that to look at this player ask that player a question in a team And that's what I have to ask myself and then you know we move on from you know How they if they can play and what their skill set is I there's a certain personality that that I think that I'm drawn to and not To say that that's the end all be all but it can go in a lot of different directions. I try not to have it a script I know John doesn't I wait for him to you know get it started and then I kind of take it You know and then the coaches will go or you know the other scouts will go how nice is it to be in person old-fashioned style? Well, it is nice, but I think the technology has allowed us More time more time with them and to be able to follow up and say hey What do you remember from that conversation that we had? In March and see what their recall is and and see what their willingness is to engage with us Overall your approach to the combine most important things for you as the head coach to get done here I think just continue to Make You know connections with these players and see who responds. Who do you see a few days later? You know the demeanor that they have walking around, you know how they answer questions Their willingness to be truthful The self-awareness that they have a lot of different things coach Mike Vrabel with us at Tennessee Titans calm


The Beltrami County Fairgrounds Committee is saying goodbye to their current space rental manager. Joe Waslaki has held the job for more than two decades. He says it's a role that takes up all 365 days in the year, but he's enjoyed all of that time. He'll be handing the reins over to Chris Christensen, and the two of them will work together for the 2018 fair. A very big commitment that takes all 12 months of the year to make it work. You have to correspond with each vendor, calling them, emailing them, sending them different materials, and it's a matter of trying to fill the spaces up inside, outside, phone vendors, those kind of things. The Beltrami County Fair keeps getting bigger, and Waslaki tells Lakeland News there is currently a waitlist for vendors. Fairgoers can also expect new trails that are wheelchair and stroller accessible. I think it's going to be hard to improve on what Joe's done for 25 years. He's extremely organized, and that's part of the reason why I am acceptable to taking over the role is because he is very organized, and what he gave me is going to be very easy to keep going on and what he's been doing for 25 years. And I look forward to the challenge. The Beltrami County Fair will be held on August the weekend of the ninth. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.