okay all right I think we're live I think we got a good angle on the on the drawing table and pull this up so I can actually see the live chat whoa that's not this there we go okay there we go now I've got infinite infinite drawing tables hello Peter and Green Yeti how do you do when you switch this I can read the live chat there we go hey MC DJ AC DC game masters hobby nice to see you finally got here on time congratulations hello delvis yes my table is tilted it's supposed to be tilted it's that way by design hello Rob M and Matt hello JK siege outbacks do how do you do Daniel pass the training test yeah probably I think out back out back not out back the beachhead probably feels like nobody's worthy of past and passing his training test hello Mike Layton nice to see you well thanks for stopping by have a nice dinner oh Peter and uploaded first stop motion video to YouTube account well that's cool if you send me the link I'll try to check it out hello action figure expert now I don't want to get involved in any Apple bees versus outback wars okay you know if you're gonna rumble over whether outback or or Apple bees is better than you know you're just gonna have to take that outside let's see here I'm trying to get this I can tell there's a little bit of lag but and try to focus on the table the best I can what I have hello Leah I hope you're feeling better Leah what I've done is for both Tunnel Rat and Lady J I've kind of sketched out I worked out what pose I wanted and I kind of sketched that out so that oh I forgot my eraser all right so I worked out the pose I wanted to just kind of sketch it out here so that can just kind of fill it in and work out the details I do have Tunnel Rat here and I've got Lady J over on the other other table and grab Lady J when I draw her I've got outbacks accessories so I can kind of take a look at them it may not be exactly the same on my drawing but we'll get it pretty close just kind of clean it up here a little bit I do know how to draw but my skills as an artist are a bit limited so try to work with in what I can do and Tunnel Rat has a knife on that left leg so let me kind of make sure we don't forget that like a double strap around his thigh like that okay there we go because the machine gun is gonna be kind of in the way we won't see some of the details on his uniform but I for this drawing I was kind of thinking of Tunnel Rat as machine gunner rather than Tunnel Rat as EOD so he comes with a big machine gun and presumably you know he is a squad machine gunner when he's not setting explosives or disarming explosives or you know going through tunnels so that's that that's kind of how I'm drawing him here today he's the machine gunner and I guess he needs like an ammunition that this is a belt fed machine gun so let's give him a an ammunition belt kind of going over his leg here down here like that and maybe hanging down here yeah there we go hello Lazarus maybe someday yeah mr. non commissioned officer sergeants beachhead is like hey maybe I'll be in charge of this whole thing someday general hawk but if you think about it what beachhead really wanted to want he was just wanting more discipline on the team and eventually sergeant Slaughter came along and did that very thing so I think ultimately he got what he wanted hang on I need my glasses as you can tell there's some sunlight coming through my back door here so that's a little bit distracting sorry about that but that's okay let's kind of let's let's get this let's get this rolling huh let's get it rolling I'm gonna start at the top hello comic tropes nice to see you it's not a bad turnout for live stream that wasn't actually planned or scheduled so thanks everyone for showing up hope you're enjoying your your Sunday evening at least it's Sunday here I don't know what day it is in your time zone okay so today is Larry Hama's birthday and we are drawing a character that was modeled after Larry but I'm not super great at drawing real people so I'm not gonna try to make this look too much like Larry I'm just gonna try to try to make it look like tunnel rat or at least how I envision tunnel rat looking tunnel rat is part Asian according to his file card he is Trinidadian Chinese and the dog wants out okay hang on you wanna so okay so I'll try to give him somewhat Asian features and well I'll add the the camouflage camouflage face paint later just want to try to get the face drawn in here he's looking off to his left in the direction that his machine gun barrel is pointing I'm gonna get those eyes even there we go not too shabby okay okay satisfactory all right now he's got this scarf around his neck here you know what I probably should do I should probably draw in this machine gun because the machine gun is gonna be covering up some of the details and I don't want to have to erase them later so I'm gonna try that yeah that's true Daniel the animated series sort of played fast and loose with rank I mean Duke was in charge even though there were officers on the team at the time but I mean the comic book series did that a little bit as well but not as much like sometimes sometimes stalker even though he was a sergeant he was still in charge of some officers but that was always mission specific right I mean so stalker was in charge he was in charge of a mission so but in the in the in the animated series they they actually very clearly stated the command hierarchy they they stated the pecking order and it was General Hawk at the top Duke after him and then Flint the warrant officer Flint under Duke and then after that it was beachhead so yeah a little a little odd little different I'm sorry what's that a comic trope said hoodie cocoa oh I missed a super chat oh no who sent a super chat hold on I'm scrolling back up oh five just curious if the camera can zoom in at all on the arcs it looks great so far let me see hang on hold on I'll try sorry about that was looking away let's see here let's um if I get it zoomed in too much then my shoulder will be in the way but let's try that let's try that is that any better okay let's let's see if this see if this will work for you all right I'm gonna try to sort of draw this machine gun it's not gonna be exact in fact it's gonna be pretty darn inexact but that's okay it's good enough for the girls I go out with sort of sketched out an idea of where the machine gun would be in perspective the perspective is not going to be perfect because I don't feel like breaking out a straight edge for it Mosner said he liked big low now big low is that referring to quark from deep space nine the Ferengi I assume that's what you mean by big lobe I mean okay this is like you probably know someone who's into sports right you know somebody who really likes you know the football or the basketball or the baseball and like they're really into it right they just really dig it but even people who really enjoy sports and it's like a big major part of their lives they don't necessarily go around talking about themselves in the third person and doing a play-by-play of their entire life that that's not being an into sport that that's there's they got some other kind of mental challenge there if they're going around say in like and and Reginald takes the exits off of the highway he zips around traffic and once again he makes his exit and arrives at work on time the crowd goes wild nobody does that Cobra is like the Illuminati and Destro is like the Ross Rothschild dynasty yeah that's an interesting take on it I think I can kind of see that I gotta all right we've got to have a a bipod here hello breaker clutch 76 just doing a little bit of drawing and yeah I can tell what my pencils aren't maybe showing up too good on camera but I'm sorry about that I'll I'll try to make sure you get a good a good view and that is this machine guy doesn't really have a front site that's interesting let's do that and it comes out like this and it has like a little flash suppressor there and see we've got vent holes and it goes kind of like this got a row of vent holes and the barrel shroud up here and then you've got another set down here that his hand will partially cover let's see I make up some details on this machine gun just to get her done so yeah if you these sketches are for patrons and if you sign up on patreon you can get a sketch my sketches are a bit more than sketches as you can see it like I try to do do a slightly more rendered drawings they're not exactly like ready to ink right but there are a bit more than sketches though because I just I feel like I want to give people more than their money's worth and so I just don't want to do a drawing that's like it takes you know five minutes and and then I shift that off I don't think I would be proud of that work what do we miss here let's see Daniel says get right in GI Joe reboot that's faithful to the comics and some of those theories and do the characters justice make it are and make it in two parts now I would absolutely watch that but I just don't think I wish Hasbro with green light and R rated GI Joe movie but I just I I don't think they will oh thank you MC DJ AC DC I still has the wild bill that's awesome oh Lazarus and thank you friend the one that I did that's awesome thank you very much so yeah you know a sketch a sketch is a sketch right a sketch is is supposed to be you know quick and and loose and like when I was in our school we wouldn't be allowed to do anything like this for a sketch right because it's this is much too finished it's much too I'm taking much too much time on it for one thing not to say that I mean I I know that I'm not like the best artist I'm definitely not a professional but but I just feel like if if somebody's gonna actually pay me to to draw something then then I want to I want to give them something that's worthy of of what they've paid for and you know give them something a bit more than that so I promise a sketch but hopefully I deliver a bit more than a sketch these ammunition belts are always a pain I never get to the bullets all uniform so y'all are just gonna have to live with that and we're gonna have come arrest finger on the trigger because he is gonna be ready he's ready to open fire with this thing he is in the field he's spotting an enemy approach and he's about to lay down some fire here we go and the grip is gonna come down like this is a really long grip on that accessory machine gun which is not a bad thing it helps keeps the thing in its hand clean that up a little bit David loved a tunnel rat in valor versus venom there's a little comic book guy I don't think I saw you come in oh yeah yo-yo cola that sounds delicious let's go ahead and kind of sketch in these bullets a little bit for the rest of this ammunition belts that's gonna come down kind of across his body so around his side and then since this is a belt fed machine gun I was gonna have some ammunition coming out it would come in from his left side let's make that three-dimensional here there we go it's gonna come in on his left side and it's gonna hang down on his leg and then hang down here so I've got another ammunition belt coming in right about here thanks everyone for joining me for a little live drawing this is something that I was gonna need to do this evening and without you guys I would just be doing it by myself okay and then we'll kind of hang down here it'll come down like about there call that good actually not calling that good at all just getting started yes tunnel rat was in renegades he was also in resolute I have Pepsi actually I don't have any peanuts now it that would just be my luck to spill this on my drawing that I've been working on just sharpening the pencil really quick yeah in resolute I thought I thought it was pretty good actually but a lot of resolute was really good resolute was really fascinating there are I think I've said this before that there are definitely some things I would have done differently but it resolute looks like a labor of love you know it looks like it was made by people who really care it was made it looks like it was made by fans and for it to be like an official release is I think exceptional it's extraordinary I think the main thing I would have done differently is they they basically had Duke and Scarlett as a couple which they were in the in the animated series so that's not the big deal but what they did was they kind of they had a scene where essentially Scarlett chooses Duke over snake eyes and like I had that I thought was kind of a dick move like you can okay you get you want to follow the we hold on you want to follow the animated series Duke and Scarlett pairing okay fine but to expressly and specifically repudiate the the comic book version of Scarlett with snake eyes is just I think not not that wasn't a very cool move in my opinion and it was done in such a way that you know Scarlett made that choice like right in front of snake eyes his face and it's kind of I didn't like that not not a fan not a fan but but that's that's a minor issue in what is otherwise a really good series the creative team obviously took it quite seriously and cared enough to to really pay attention to details and pay attention to characters oh you're drawing as well mr. commended door okay let's get his little knot here in the back I'll have it kind of slinging out to the side because he's he's turned his head and his little knot on his thing is out to the side and he's got his backpack which is quite bulky kind of squared off at the top and he's got these lanterns flashlights or torches attached to it we'll have a pocket over here okay so it's taking a while because tell me I have a lot of just really my new details on his chest not not nearly as much detail on his legs and I'm that's really coming through as I'm trying to draw it it's like wow I'm spending a ton of time on the torso his chest and his head and everything but the legs are gonna go really quickly because it's he's just basically wearing black trousers over his boots not a lot of details on the boots either and he's got one knife on the left leg and that's that's it so it there's a lot of detail concentrated right in here okay let's see so let's see bullets quickly sketch in some bullet shapes real quick or this little ammunition belt that's hanging down here all that good okay I'm gonna leave the ammunition alone for a minute because I want to want to draw in a little bit of other stuff let's see I decided that his TNT bag is gonna go over his left shoulder I didn't want to do it across his body because I didn't want to see this one talk about I did not want to I didn't want to cross right over the ammunition belt because that would cover up some of that detail and now I'm gonna have to erase some of what I did because I forgot to draw in the strap for the TNT thing that's gonna go like that and I've got I sketched out kind of as a wide strap so we're gonna keep it that way nice wide strap clean it up how we doing hey we got like 37 people in here that's really good for an unplanned live stream so thank you all for showing up I appreciate it very much these are sketches that I'm doing for patrons and I I can't think my patrons enough patreon is now more important than ever it used to be extra money to buy toys to review but nowadays it is becoming part of what I'm using to live on so yeah it's a really vital time right now for patreon so thanks everyone for doing that I got a bunch of sketches out on Friday so if I owe you a sketch you might get that you might get it on Monday and I've got another batch of sketches that will go out this week so I'm getting caught up in the on the sketches and once I do these two sketches I'm actually totally caught up I will have done all of the sketches that I owe to my patrons so I feel a little better about that I feel bad when I have to make them wait because you know life intervenes and I have a hard time finding the time to draw but I don't like yeah I don't like to make them wait so we are fixing that right now there is a pistol holster there and that you would be able to see a bit of that pistol holster right here like so okay a little bit of cloth detail on that shirt all right got good solid shoulders that finger should be bigger and that one should be smaller okay how we do it how we do it how's everything going in the live chat everybody behaving themselves having a nice day Serpentor is a Megatron ripoff yeah they look so much alike it's just ridiculous how much they look alike I especially like that feature on Serpentor where he turns into a handgun and I think about Megatron where he shoots live snakes they're practically identical all right okay I'm gonna go ahead and finish sketching in this TNT bag I'm envisioning it having kind of a loose flap here a little latch there kind of rounded I guess I should pause for a second maybe show you what I'm working on that I know that it's not showing up super well on the on camera let's see all right okay so that's how we're doing so far it's it's it's I'm no DaVinci all right but we're getting there we're getting there so let's take it back up here how's everybody doing yeah Cobra commander was not the the whiny guy that he was in the animated series that yeah the animated series definitely cartooned him up and I guess it sort of made sense then for him to be a tool of Cobra law and that Cobra was Cobra law's attempt to you know take over the world because the Cobra commander of the animated series there's no way he could build that organization on his own he just he's too incompetent so yeah I kind of make sense they would have help but the Cobra commander of the comic book series is a charismatic leader and you would have to be I mean you're you're convincing people to dedicate their lives and sometimes sacrifice their lives for your cause so that's that's no easy feat so yeah to me that makes more sense and I guess one of my pet peeves is the the oft-heard comment that the that Cobra commander in the comic book series was a used car salesman and I that's I think that misses the point a little bit because at one time he was a used car salesman but that's not all he was that's just one of the jobs that he had one time and that doesn't really tell you a whole lot about about his character he's all he was also a business leader he he the way that that the animated series I'm sorry the comic book series kind of explains that he took over the town of Springfield was with soap essentially selling soap and that is a reference by the way to Amway which was a company that sold soap but instead of selling soap you know in supermarkets they set it up so that you would sell soap to your friends and recruit them to also sell soap and it becomes kind of like a I don't know like like this sort of well it's kind of like a pyramid well not like a pyramid scheme it's a pyramid scheme and so the idea was that Cobra commander took that another step and just started using this business model to indoctrinate people and probably to select people as well because you know not everyone's gonna go along with your your plan to take over the world so you know you kind of keep your eye out for people who might be manipulated into into taking part in a in a plan to overthrow governments and to replace them with your own fascistic system of government so he would keep an eye out for you know probably people who were you know already you know politically predisposed to that kind of mentality people who were loyal and over time he built that organization into something much more than just a pyramid scheme and eventually took over the whole town of Springfield Springfield was a regular town at one time and I've always you know I think it would be interesting to me at least probably not anyone else but it would be interesting to me to have a story where you tell the the story of Springfield and how Springfield eventually got taken over by Cobra because you think about it you can't really take over a whole town right because you know you have elected officials you have you have at least a little bit of an interface with the the federal government because you got you have a post office they never say what state Springfield is in but you know there would be some kind of presence of the state government so you know all of these any of those entities could become suspicious at some point and say hey what's going on but I kind of imagine that over time over time Cobra would slowly start to take over the elected positions they would run their own candidates and then everybody who was in Cobra would have to vote for the that candidate then they would start putting their own people you know in charge of certain key positions in charge of the police force I know that seems maybe not as it too important but I actually think it would be kind of important to put somebody in charge of the post office as well because because I mean you could have you could have a whistleblower there and yeah so I would think yeah control if you get somebody in charge of the post office not only can you avoid having a whistleblower there you can also take control of all of the information that comes in and out of the town and so you'd have you'd have some people that don't like it right they don't like it one bit because not everybody's gonna go along with this you know because it they were raising that town they're born that town they're raising that town and gosh they're gonna die in that town but everybody who doesn't go along I think has to be intimidated into leaving and you can do that in a number of ways that are more or less legal so anyway what I'm saying is I'm trying to figure out how to take over a town okay I want my own town doesn't have to necessarily be called Springfield like I know it's I know it's a long game I'm not playing the long game here but but I feel that if I follow the pattern that that I could at least take over at least a small town right it doesn't have to be a big town I just want to take over a small town oh Renegade biker lives in a town called Springdale Springdale see it's almost it's almost like Springfield I think I think I could take it over get the whole town to swear absolute loyalty to me if Springfield will ever host the Olympics well I think the largest Springfield in the country is Springfield Illinois and I don't think that Springfield is even large enough to is large enough to host the Olympics comic book says takeover broken arrow I'm thinking about it I'm thinking about it if I ever decide to do it if I ever decide to do it you won't know until it's done you won't know that I'm taking over until it's too late I'll have already taken over all right let's let's finish this up he has very little detail on his boots very little boot detail what that kind of is anyway I was like 830 that's fine I can't stay up too late work tomorrow so I'm gonna try to finish up Lady J before we end the live stream here trying to get give some form to these trousers which are quite plain that kind of squared off toes they're like they're almost like look at these um they're almost like cowboy boots right it's almost like he's wearing cowboy boots with his pants pulled over the top of the boots that's really not in on-screen right yeah so the boots the boots just don't have really any detail to them so yeah that's tunnel rats lots of detail up top and not so much on the rest of the the figure oh yeah I got to do the the face paint got someone's arms too all right oh wait no got a little bit of this ammunition belt to go so they'd be facing both be facing toward us okay you know I read a couple years back that Larry Hama will not do or if you ask him to do a sketch of a character that has an ammunition belt he charges extra and I can kind of understand why because doing ammunition belts is a pain the links let's sign it what month is it it's June June 2020 or tunnel rat that is as done is that's going to get that's not gonna end up in any museums but it's good enough for the girls I go out with yeah so I'm calling down here and let's move on to lady J it looks this is like the the image on the camera I'm seeing it on my laptop and it's not it's not focusing very well now that's still not working alright forget it anyway so that's that's that no no not planning to ink it it's not quite not quite finished enough to ink but we're just trying to get some sketches done here so I've already got a pose here for Lady J given piece things I'll do that after we get off the livestream here Lady J I've kind of got her with you know ready to throw a steer with her right hand her right arm and it's gonna have her left arm kind of just sort of reaching forward oh that's yeah I don't know if your picture on your screen is any better than mine but it's totally breaking up so I don't know if you can see that or not I was just gonna have her left hand sort of reaching forward but then I thought hey now not the women characters generally didn't get firearms so I'm gonna give her a pistol so I put a pistol in her left hand hello JLS comics nice to see you so yeah no my okay yeah on my screen of my live image is really breaking up so sorry about that if that's happening to you yeah it's pixelated minus two I'm not sure what to do about that hopefully that improves so let's let's get Lady J going I've already got the basics sketched out here in general I don't hold on let me get the figure and the figure for reference in general I don't draw the female characters in sexy poses and I've seen some Joe artists doing that you know doing like lingerie or you know bikini drawings of the Baroness and Scarlett and what have you I and that's fine I I to me that those are kind of tacky and I don't I don't love them but not to say that anyone else can't like them but it's just not my thing that's not how I see those characters so that's not how I draw them now we've got Lady J the figure for reference and it's still getting pixelated better okay so let's let's roll on this one I was hoping to get done by 9 because I got some others I got to do for the end of the day work tomorrow so I can't stay up late yeah I wanted to get just cleaning this up a little bit okay I want to also include that little camera thing that she comes with sure stay right there lady J there we go what kind of dog CJ on Mila is a mix she's half German shepherd and half border collie if you ever see her in person I mean you can really see both of those breeds in her so she's like a perfect mix of shepherd and border collie okay and I know a lot of people don't draw Lady J with the cap with the hat but I like the hat I like that had it adds a little bit of character but we're gonna do that and she has her jump wings all right let's try to get this face without making it look horrible how's that picture can you it's still pixelated oh super chat from somebody hold on oh mcdj AC DC sends a super chat says who would be the hardest slash most time-consuming Joe Colbert character to draw in your opinion thanks for all you do thank you for that very much let me think who would be the hardest anyone who has like oh I know who it would be wait no not necessarily it's those ammunition belts that take forever right they take forever to draw so somebody like rock and roll actually takes a really long time even though the rest of his uniform is kind of plain but rock and roll version two had like ammunition belts like around his legs as well as a bunch of pouches and stuff so that would be kind of difficult oh and he had like the big Gatling gun so like when I think about who would be the most time-consuming I my mind immediately goes to those ammunition belts and I mean even if you you're not doing like if you're not concentrating on making every bullet you know the same and you know getting them all in perfect perspective it still takes a long time I mean just like even half asking it takes a long time like I didn't I didn't go into excessive detail on that tunnel rat but the ammunition belt still took a while so so that that's my first thought is is maybe one of those but I don't know who else has a lot of detail it's just it's mainly for me at least the amount of detail that you have to think about and like detail that you can't skip like there's sometimes sometimes you can skip some detail because it doesn't really matter but with an ammunition belt it's kind of hard to do that I can see that my picture is getting pixelated again it's hard to like do a live stream drawing when you when you can't see the drawing so I'm sorry about that I don't know why it's doing that but characters with tech or sci-fi stuff so let me think some really technical sci-fi type characters that with lots of detail yeah sometimes it's hard to avoid drawing the technical detail as well although the techno viper would be pretty difficult especially if you include the accessories but I could I could see techno viper being pretty difficult to draw there's pretty much no chance of me getting this done by 9 o'clock is there how we doing hey we got still got 40 people in here see deep six metalhead techno viper the bats yeah the bats could be a pain with all the like on the chest with all the technical stuff and also like all the gears and stuff on the arms yeah the bats could be somewhat difficult to and time-consuming to draw okay so let's get caller here she's got a strap she's got straps to come down here I have the straps going behind her back rather than down to her belt because I think that looks a little bit better and I can see them a little better this arm a little bit let's get that hair there we go something like that anyway let's let's get her let's get her arm drawing in here actually I need to draw this arm up here I need to focus on that so I'll get this up here man I'm sorry guys and I'm looking at the live stream and I can I can tell that it's not really like the pictures not working so I'm sorry about that I'm just gonna plow through here and get this thing done get us a decently J and hopefully by the time I'm done you can see it all right ladies is wearing gloves clean up that hand a little bit Robo Joe it Robo Joe could be hard to draw if you draw all the little speckles Robo Joe is speckly first for some reason all right and I have this spear sort of curved for I don't know for drama it's not a perfectly straight spear I just thought it would look more dramatic that way get the fingers wrapped around it so it looks good and solid so many things to think about when you draw something like this it's like okay you want to draw the character you want to make it look like a character so you got to draw the figure try to draw it in somewhat human proportions you got to draw a uniform you got to draw a face and hair and then you have the character holding things and so they not only have to think about how to draw the thing that they're holding but also how to make it look like like the character is actually interacting with it and like not not like it's just sort of floating in mid air I do I do like drawing sort of but because I'm not a professional because I don't get as much practice at it I never really get as good as I probably should be so so I'm not as proficient as I probably should be how we looking 30 I thank you to everyone who is hanging out in the live stream despite the fact that the the pictures gone all wonky and you guys can't really see what I'm drawing very well so thank you thank you for staying thank you for sticking around I will I'm sorry I will try to take a peek at the live chat a bit more often I almost missed a super chat and sorry about that so Lady J wearing gloves I like the gloves hello hello hello hello Jack hi Jack Laura rewatched in 1982 commercial that introduced the first line of Joe's yeah that commercial got a lot of buzz it got a lot of excitement of course my first the first commercial that I remember seeing was actually I think the second commercial because it was the one where breaker was driving the Ram Motorcycle that's the first commercial that I remember that but that wasn't the first commercial to air I think that was the second commercial to air okay so I know Lady J is holding the pistol in the left hand but it's better than just the left hand being empty so we're going with it we're going with it okay so we got a decent hand we got a little pistol in her hand we got straps going around behind her back for her backpack which I am including including the backpack we got a strap over her left shoulder for her little camera thingy which I'll draw in shortly let's put some lines on these straps so they stand out a little bit more there we go all right okay need to not mess with the face too much or I'll mess it up yeah the the if you're talking about the live stream yeah it started out great and I haven't done anything I've been sitting here I haven't changed any settings I haven't you know started streaming in any movies there's nobody else in the house just me and yet somehow like for some reason it's gone all all wonky on us all right she actually has some she actually has a couple belt she has a belt what goes like this like so and then she has another one that kind of slings down here and she has a pouch on that belt and I do like to draw the pouches a little bit bigger than they appear on the figure just because I think a lot of the pouches on the figures are undersized in order to fit on the buck so I tried to draw those pouches a slightly more realistic size like so just a little bit bigger okay well hey guys too bad you can't see this because this is turning out to be the best Lady J that's ever been drawn it is incredibly lifelike and yeah I honestly I don't think Jim Lee could come in here and draw a better Lady J I am I am killing it and I honestly this this drawing may be worthy of an art gallery I think I think I need to consider putting this in a gallery I'm sure it will be accepted and it will sell within minutes because everyone will come in and say that nobody has drawn Lady J better than that one guy in the livestream if only we'd be able to see him work if only YouTube live would work properly if only if only sorry guys are missing it missing out on my artistic brilliance it's turning out so so good I might actually just sign it Rembrandt instead of signing my own name because I think when people see it they will think that it's that it's a Rembrandt okay let's see okay so now I've got her belts done clean that up a little bit clean it up a little bit I need DaVinci I tell you I could sign it DaVinci this is this this may be now I don't want to overstate things but this may be the greatest artistic work in the history of of the human race I mean it's possible I mean people are gonna look at this and they're gonna be like Mona Lisa P give us the Lady J Paris will have to add abdicate its position as the center of the art world they will have to give up that position to open arrow Oklahoma but they'll be willing to once they see this lady J they'll be like oh yeah we've lost it France can no longer falls come to logo be the center of art in the world not when a guy live stream is drawing such brilliant Lady J I don't know what kind accent that was I think it started out as French and I think it ended up Russian but that's okay like Russia will like it too I think Vladimir Putin will see it and he will immediately step down from the presidency you will return power to the people this I think this this drawing could inspire wild stallions which would then go on to to change the world with their rock and roll too bad you guys can't see it man I that that that sucks dude it really sucks oh hey Reza sorry I didn't see you coming stream labs with Google Chrome YouTube has a way yeah less lag pixelization yeah I should I've been really trying to keep everything on YouTube so that you know there's just one place to go but YouTube has had a problem keeping the live streams going and properly broadcasting so I hate to do it but I might have to look at an alternative okay so that's gonna go like that I'm going her little camera thing see the lens here funny thing is like this this camera would have been considered kind of like really small for 1985 when this character came out but the camera on your phone is probably much more powerful than this thing ever was so but anyway she has this amazing portable compact camera slung over her shoulder okay so we've got a pocket on this side sorry can't stay long Peter oh mcdj cdc says his cell phones for you okay maybe not maybe not more powerful than yours but you know there are cell phone cameras that that no doubt could do a lot more than that old analog camera could do okay pocket here get the seam on the side of her uniform yeah we're getting it almost done so instead of instead of apparently showing you what I'm drawing let's just hang in the talk out hang out and talk for a few minutes since that's apparently all we can do okay there we go nice almost done on her right ankle she has a knife but that side of the ankle is kind of turned away from us so we'll just put a couple straps on her boots interesting okay like doesn't have a regular heel cool cool oh yeah she does have a little derringer pistol though on her left ankle so let's add that cool we get to draw a pistol Admiral that didn't want Lady J on his ship oh what episode was that I know which one you're talking about but I think that was admirable Admiral that was admirable soon to be brought up on a sexual harassment lawsuit that's Admiral soon to be sued for discrimination okay that's basically it almost gonna get this leg and the folds in the cloth and that's I think that's it I think I think what you J is done here let me sign it sign it over here June 2020 okay there's the drawing how do you like it it's great isn't it is this the best lady J you've ever seen yes I'm sure it is gorgeous yeah Admiral ledger yes that's the guy okay folks I guess I will I'll wrap it up thanks for sitting with me for a little bit of art I need to get those sketches done so I can get them out to some patrons I am now all caught up on sketches at least I'm pretty sure I am if I owe you a sketch and I haven't contacted you about it yet so I'm really happy about that trying to do right by my patrons and I'll get these in the mail as soon as possible so yes I will be here Tuesday and hopefully the live stream will cooperate a little bit more if we still have this kind of trouble with the live stream I'm gonna have to do something other than YouTube for live streaming this is this is a pain you really can't thank you Jeff I thank you Lazarus yeah you can't really follow along with the with the art when you can't see the art so yeah we'll have to do something about that but anyway I guess that's all for now thanks for stopping by thank you for the super chance that really helps me a lot and and that's all for now I will say good evening and I'll see everyone on Tuesday bye everyone


OK. I'm sure everybody wants to get off to dinner, so let's make a start. I'm not really going to say anything earth-shattering, but hopefully you'll get a few quotes, you'll get a bit of explanation, a bit of background about what Debyn Lleidwyl actually does, what it's good at, what I think it's not so good at, where it came from, what people think it does, and also maybe some directions that it could go with a bit more sort of effort, a bit more involvement. So first of all, where did Debyn Lleidwyl come from? Well, the DFSG, Debyn Free Software Guidelines, the first 1.0 version was actually passed in July 1997, and that was quite some time before Debyn Lleidwyl actually existed as a thing on itself. So if you've got a problem with the Free Software Guidelines and how they were originally written, that's not our problem, please don't blame us. And then in November 1998, Debyn Lleidwyl mailing list was actually requested and announced by Martin Schultzer, and the first two threads on it, it's quite interesting to look at, the first one was about revising the DFSG, that was a discussion started by Ian Jackson, and I think mentioned it in the last talk or an earlier talk, and analysing the QT public licence. Now if you've looked at Debyn Lleidwyl in the last few years, if you try raising either of those topics still, they're still quite hot topics, some things never really change. In April 2000, Debyn Lleidwyl actually had a mention added to the Debyn policy saying that if you're uncertain when you're packaging something about copyright licensing, trademarks, anything to do with Free Software Guidelines, ask Debyn Lleidwyl. Up to that time, I actually told you to ask Debyn Devel. I'm not quite sure whether some of the developers are still smarting about that change, but that's the bug number if you want to see the reasoning. January 2002, a set of legal pages were actually added to the Debyn website explaining about the move of crypto into main. Now, the top level of pages there, for a long time, actually had very little to do with the Debyn legal mailing list, and I don't think even mention them for some time, but that changed a bit later as we'll see. April 2004, there was an update to the Free Software Guidelines, and surprisingly, that sort of stemmed out of something that was discussed quite a lot during 2003 on Debyn legal, but was actually discussed itself there much. So, if you followed Debyn vote, you would have known probably more about that than if you followed Debyn legal. So, again, it's just my request. Don't blame Debyn legal for any changes, any revisions to the Free Software Guidelines. A few other notable things. In 2004, there was a general resolution about whether Sarge should release with non-free software documentation and so on, mainly still in it. And in 2006, there was one about etch releasing with binary firmwares. These are quite subtle, almost quite corner cases of the Free Software Guidelines and packages that don't quite live up to them as fully as maybe we'd like. And if you actually look at the vote tallies for those two, the Sarge release with non-free and the etch releasing with binary firmware votes, you'll see quite a lot of the Debyn legal regulars, if you would like, actually voted to release and deal with the problem when we get time. On the other hand, there was also a resolution about the FDL, GNU's Free Documentation Licence, where the vote didn't really go the way that a lot of legal would have liked it to, but then I think you'll find legal contributors voting for about three different options without a clear move for any one of them in particular. Now, just a quick mention of myself just to explain some of the limitations in this talk. You'll see it was actually called Four Years on Debyn Legal, and I've only been there for four years. There's stuff about the early days and what happened there before that point. I can't tell a great deal about. I've gone back into the archives for some of the more interesting discussions, but there's a hell of a lot of stuff to read there if you go all the way back to the beginning. I actually started using Debyn about 1999 because some other people at the university were using it and suggested I take a look at it. Before that, I'd used FreeBSD, Solaris, Digital Unix and so on, and Slackware even, and just kept moving from one to another. But I stayed with Debyn because it actually upgrades. I became a Debyn developer at the suggestion of one of the other Debyn developers at the university in February 2003, and then in May I joined the Debyn Legal mailing list because somebody was talking about me, and I'm not quite as bad as Kibo, but if you talk about me, somebody seems to tell me. I don't know why. They seem to think I'm going to fly off the handle all the time. I've no idea where they get that idea from. It's quite interesting to look at what was actually going on when I joined Debyn Legal, I think, because you see a lot of things, a lot of similarity between May 2003 and, say, May 2007. There was a fairly significant licence for Debyn, the latech project public licence, and a new version of that was coming out that dealt with some of Debyn Legal members' worries, concerns about it. M Player was a topic of discussion. It was being kept out of Debyn at that time because of some concerns about patents and some concerns about its copyrights. You can find that one recurring again, and again, and again. PHP nukes advertising clause, and advertising clauses in general were fairly hotly discussed, and the ultimate conclusion was it's a sort of use restriction, but some people, it's not clear-cut. People often ask about compatibility between different licences. If I mix this work under that licence with this one under this other one, what happens? Can I actually use the result in combination? Of course, the FTL was being discussed, which is where I got mentioned. The most frequently asked question is definitely about the GPL and combining it with whatever other licence you'd like to pick. A common one is the open SSL licence because it is essentially BSD with the old so-called obnoxious advertising clause, sort of style, but generally combining the GPL with anything is asked fairly often on the legal mailing list, and it's sort of interesting that people ask Debyn about that and looked at Debyn legal about that, rather than looking to the free software foundation, and there's all sorts of reasons you can speculate about why that is, but in general, if you ask the FSF a question, the conversation happens in private, and if you ask Debyn legal a question, the conversation happens very much in public, which has a problem that I'll cover later. If you asked Debyn legal in May 2003 what licence should I use for my free software? You'd get pretty much the same answer that you get today. You should use the GPL, or if you really don't like the GPL, you should use the modified BSD, and even back then, people were looking to apply the free software guidelines to other things than programmes. There's a quote there from Henning Macomb, who I don't know if he's in the audience today, or even here, but there's a few more quotes coming, so if anybody feels I've misquoted you, then tough, these are the actual words. If you think I've taken you out of context, take it up with me in the questions. A venue is another thing, and this is a discussion that's still running now, four years later. But even back then, we'd got Joey Hess asking, haven't we rejected choice of venue before? And Brandon being a bit stronger. And there are also quite a lot of apologies going around. We don't understand copyright all that well. There is quite often a bit of the noise, is people saying what they think copyright means, and not getting it quite right. And so there's rather a lot of people saying sorry then. I think there's probably more apologies four years ago than there are now. There was also quite a bit of humility. If you started to press someone on something they'd written even after they'd been corrected, you'd quite often get a comment like, why are you still bothering?  So there's quite a bit of humility, and I'm not sure that that's quite so common now. I don't know if that's general across all the project lists though. So what does Debian League actually do? I wonder about describing it, to rip off somebody else's phrase. Many eyes make licence bugs shallow. Now some people accuse Debian League of going looking for problems, but in general we don't. We wait for people to come to us. We've got quite enough things to look at without going out looking for trouble. Sometimes a problem that we look at actually blows up into a much bigger problem and we think, should we really have started playing with this ball of yarn? We're now well and truly tangled, but that's just the way things are. One of the things to remember when asking Debian League, is in general, it's better for the friends of Debian to find a problem, to notice a potential problem or an actual problem before somebody was really going to hold it against us or come after us in the best case with bad publicity for us but in the worst case with actually trying to take us to court. I'm not sure anybody's done that, but some of you may know better. Debian League are not our lawyers. There are some lawyers on there. I've seen at least three. If you want to try playing lawyer spotting in the archives, it's a great sport, but they're not our lawyers. They're giving us the Debian Project legal advice. If you need to access our lawyers about a real nasty of a problem, don't post it to Debian Legal. Take it to the Debian Project leader or take it to the software in the public interest to pass to the lawyers. They can do it much more discreetly without causing problems. Debian Legal are not necessarily developers. That's okay by me. If any of you want to suggest a better way of handling it in the questions at the end, be interested whether that's okay with you. Generally the skills needed to be a Debian developer are a bit different from what it takes to be interested in something like copyright law where all too often we have to throw our hands up in disgust and say I can't answer this whereas with something you're developing quite often you run some tests. Running tests of legal things tends to be rather expensive. Debian Legal are not our gods. I'm not sure anybody really thinks they are, but I'm sure there's at least one Debian developer who fairly frequently posts to Debian Legal to remind us that Debian Legal does not speak for the project. At least once I've seen a journalist take something that was posted to Debian Legal as if it was the absolute true word of the project carved on stone tablets. Licence approval is not democratic. Debian Legal is just one part here. There's a more detailed explanation. Debian Legal has a sort of input or is thought to have an input, though sometimes attempts to find out for sure can be rather frustrating. But ultimately it is the package maintainer who would say, okay, no, I've got this wrong. I'm not willing to carry on uploading this package. Or the FTP masters can say, nope, it's no good. I'm not letting this into the archive. Now this is a more interesting question. I've sort of been sitting quietly in the background the last couple of days and I've heard a few mentions of Debian Legal and what people think it does. And I've been interested here because what you think it does or doesn't do at the end. But the top one is probably flame. And that's probably sort of been fair over the last four years from what I've seen.  There's been every type of flame you can imagine and now just for amusement value I'll quickly put up a few of the ones I spotted. I'm not going to give an example of last word wins where however long the discussion is going there's always somebody who wants the last word. And the main reason is most of the examples I could find about that were from Sven Luther so moving on. Next type of flame is you're wrong because you're you. Andrew Soffield, past master there another one who's no longer so involved in Debian. You're wrong because you're arguing. This was particularly fun during the FDL discussions where sometimes a discussion would just fall completely through the cracks and you'll be arguing over some tiny small point that doesn't matter at all. And so Brandon actually puncturing me there. And sometimes it just gets too late at night and you go you're wrong because you're wrong. Which I'm sorry to say that's one from me.  So it's actually I'll pick up again later on but if you're asking Debian legal something that you think is going to be a frequently asked question actually look at the FAQ actually look at the archives and sometimes you get flames as comedy. You get people posting completely outrageous things just to see if any of the press are going to pick something up again. Usually you can spot these because they stick out like a sore thumb and sometimes it just gets far too silly and I think you can safely write any who to the mailing list now but where the asbestos underwear. So how could we actually use Debian legal more effectively though? How can we get away from it going off into these very niche things and all getting rather too overheated? If you actually want to see something that works look at one of the many intent to package bug reports that gets passed to Debian legal. It's usually a couple of these a month I think and generally they're answered quite quickly. You've got a fairly new developer saying I've not seen this before and you get a fairly quick answer usually or you'll get a suggestion to look at something else. If you're asking a question an ITP is a good example because generally that comes with the name of the package short description of the copyright terms and any relevant links and it's really about asking smart questions and there's so many things about smart bug reports and so on. So a quick summary of what to include. Search the archives before asking I've just mentioned that there's actually three different archives that seem to work in fairly different ways. The top one is the best in some ways because it'll actually give you a link to something on list.debian.org but the other two, the Google groups and lurker will actually let you download the message to see the message ID and from that from the main list search you can then get the official archive post as well. Another thing to do that works is to talk to your own upstream if you find a licensing problem don't ask Debian Legal to take it up with your upstream. Generally we don't know your upstream from Adam your upstream won't know us from Adam and some of the people on Debian Legal can be a little bit too blunt or a little bit too rushed. So you've generally got if you're on Backage Maintain you should hopefully have a better relationship with your upstream than we do. Subscribe us if there are many we've got many people here actually on Debian Legal. Refer back to the archives if you don't already if you say such and such has already happened we've already looked at this actually take a look back at the archives point somebody back because hopefully they've tried searching the archives for it already they haven't found it and so they've asked if you post it a link back in response then the next person to search hopefully will find the original discussion.  Yes there are actually some bad habits on Debian Legal I've mentioned flames already going off topic is probably the key one if you spot somebody going off topic please try to gently bring them back down to earth early on. Fairly recently we had somebody saying what happens if I put a poster of a copyrighted image on my window and google map street view pictures it. Unfortunately a fairly gentle reply came back saying well we don't know what happens and it's probably not going to affect Debian too much so try and stick to packages in Debian or at least something that affects Debian in some way. Analyzing licences in abstract is a bad habit I think when it's done on the main list. Now this is not a universally shared view but I think experience in the four years sort of backs this one up. Early in 2004 it was suggested that rather than analysing the same licence over and over again when it's used for lots of packages to analyse the licence. Now that seems fair enough but it's sort of petered out and then the Debian project leader got involved saying I think this is a good idea. Until in April 2004 the first licence summary was posted to the website. And then summer 2004 a licence summary hit the press in a fairly bad way all over the place about the Mozilla public licence. What actually happened on the main list is somebody who was fairly new and fairly enthusiastic had put up a draft licence summary fairly quickly gone on to say ok no more comments this is the licence summary and I'm not sure whether that actually got as far as getting on to the website before it was all over everybody else's website. The Mozilla public licence is actually if you try to read it you'll know it's a fairly complicated licence it's up there with the GPL in the terms of length and wordiness and so on and I think I've read it from end to end once or twice but I think my mind has blotted out the experience it's not terribly relevant it doesn't come up that often in its plain form but when it does then usually it's in combination with something else even Mozilla itself is triple licence now under the GPL and LGPL as well as the MPL when this all blew up we sort of noticed there's a problem here and analysing licences is a rather tricky thing to do generally done by people with a lot more paid staff than we have as in we don't have any and the suggestion was made that's why we had packages not licences and then about a year later we finally removed the sort of eight or so licence summaries that actually made it to the website so the question actually comes how do we reduce the load of going back and indexing back over the archives the licences Debbie and legal have looked in the past can we make that easier for people to access if you've got thoughts on that please throw them in the questions I'll just run through a couple more of the bad habits hand waving I've mentioned I've suggested should refer back even in May 2003 you've got hand waving at the end there check the legal archive refer people to the FAQ if it's not in the FAQ and it seems to be frequently asked try and get it into the FAQ and does hand waving get worse when Debbie and legal is overworked or are there some persistent hand waivers if you think there's a persistent hand waver try to learn to spot them and maybe sort of take them aside quietly and ask them to start building some bookmarks and putting those into their messages another bad habit I think is voting to settle arguments we've seen this at least twice and it tends not to work the DFSG revision 1.1 I think it was one example of this which sort of started on the main list and then turned into a GR in about a year later maybe and the FDL I think was pretty much a licence on we combined with a vote so two of those bad habits we've seen other approaches used recently rather than try to analyse the licences on the list we've seen small groups taken off of Debbie and legal and invited to contribute more directly not sure whether that's been a good idea or not there was a discussion about that yesterday which some of you I think were part of but if you've got more comments about that I'd love to hear them and there's organisations taking the consultations more into their own house which we've seen with the wonderful wacky web interface for the GPLv3 and now the FDLv2 so I'd say keep Debbie and legal for package questions maybe pick group to comment on licence drafts we need help with non-copyright matters if you know a lot about trademarks or patents or non-disclosure agreements and so on then please throw that in if you know about them share it with us but please gently and so there's the sort of legal website there's a few more talks later this week if you know about trademarks SPI trademark is also so wonderfully wonderfully understaffed not quite sure I meant that so come along to that meeting this evening and see whether you can get involved with SPI have we got any questions please wonderful, I like this oh no, no dear I spoke too soon oh my phone behind you so I'll throw in the proverbial here to get started so one of the things that has come up multiple times repeatedly is the lack of communication between Debbie and legal and the rest of the project is a whole and we've tried at some points to do this by promogating licence summaries written by various people with various agendas to push both con and pro against a specific licence but one of the things that would be interesting is your thoughts and other people's thoughts here on what Debbie and legal can do and what the project actually in general expects from Debbie and legal as a whole and how it can meet both those goals and contribute better to the project as a whole now I've seen three attempts at feeding back to the rest of the project and I'm quite like a quick show of hands just if anybody's seen any of these who here had seen the Debbie and licence summaries when they were running two, about three with me who saw bits from Debbie and legal while that was running one and who saw the Debbie and legal package list none so okay so carry on the question what would you actually like to see how would you like to see Debbie and legal feeding back yeah I mean I guess that's kind of what I was sort of asking a question both of you and the rest of the audience because I know there's some people here so I mean I mean either we need to make more summaries or we need to beat developers over the head or perhaps developers are better off just are happier ignoring it and that's something that I mean I don't really know what to say I mean you see in the most recent discussion of the CDDL when it's basically spilled over onto the project mailing list what sort of happens there so I just want to make the comment that something I do like is the wiki on wiki.debbing.org that has an overview of various licenses I've used that quite a bit and you know as licenses are reviewed and as they're maybe instead of a summary whatever if it's posted on the wiki that's a great resource for me speaking of which on the wiki maybe it would be good if we had a bunch of the active contributors to legal who once they've done stuff on the wiki could sign on to a particular summary of a license so a particular version that's done on the wiki you can say hey yeah I agree with the summary the summary is represents my understanding of how this license works and you know if the developer not it doesn't really matter but that way they're saying yeah okay I agree with this maybe that would be useful at least to track consensus of legal because there are other options that we could use I mean we could it's been suggested a couple of times we could try and use something like deb tags to actually flag each thread with when a particular license is discussed and then also add to the packages the same tags about relevant discussions but I'm not quite sure how that would work so if anybody's going along to the deb tags talk which I think is Thursday afternoon see whether you can pick anything up from that if you're interested have we got any more comments, questions oh getting time out at the end is that the end of questions then okay I assume so no response with the loud answer so thank you very much and maybe speak to some of you over the next couple of days


If you are above stairs, you are level free. Now you have to go to the pillar. If you are in the pillar, you will be in the place where you sleep. Now you have the power to sleep. I want to ask you something. How many people are there in the 26? Are we together? Yes! So many people are missing. How many people are there? We are changing. Let's go. First and foremost, I want to thank you, all of you, for being patriotic. For being patriotic in that when you feel that leaders are not leading you according to your expectation, or if the leaders are not providing a service that they promise that they'll service, they'll provide. The best way to do it is to show them that we are not happy. It is your democratic right to voice out that you are not happy. But in voicing out these concerns, please be aware that we have a country to protect. Zambia has always been known as a beckon of peace. And in your efforts to show the government that you are not happy, please don't be violent. Don't be violent or don't do anything that is going to jeopardize the peace that we have enjoyed since independence. Obviously politics is about providing a service to the people of Zambia. Or anywhere in the world, when politicians are elected, you expect that things must change. But surprising now is that things are getting worse. And if we are not cared for Zambians, one day we'll wake up and find there is no Zambia to talk about. So your show of anger against those in government is the right thing in the right direction. And for me all I can do is that I'm going to write a letter to the president to tell him that I received a group of youths who came to complain about the high cost of living. Please do them to complain. About fatalizing, et cetera, et cetera, so that it can also take action. We are not doing these things to try and degrade or indeed fight the government of the day. Politics is about service. Both the opposition and those in government have the responsibility to the people to correct wrongs. So you're coming to me, we'll not end here. I'll write to the president to indicate the things that you have complained about. Thank you. Let me say this. That as you were coming, I heard you singing one song where you were saying the symbol of the UPND. Now when you sing like that, people would think that you are devaluing the people of southern province who believe in railing the animals. When we are talking about politics, let's not bringing the issue of tribe. We should never bringing the issue of tribe because in this country we need each other. We need the people of southern province. We need the people of western province. We need the people of northwestern province. We need the people of central province. And our prime concern must be to unite all the regions through our motto of one Zambia, one nation. So I beg with you, please don't bringing the issue of Ngombe because that is synonymous with the people of southern province and they may feel insulted. When there is a problem, when there's a problem, let's face the problem and not bringing the issue of tribe. During the last elections when I spoke about region of voting, tribe of voting, people started calling me a tribalist. I have never been a tribalist and I'll never be a tribalist. For your own information, four of my brothers and sisters are married to Tongas. My young brother Chisanga is married to Tonga. My young sister Sampa, who is the last one, is married to a Tonga. My young sister is married to a Tonga. My older brother Pasta Kanbudi's first wife was Losi. So we believe in diversity of tribes. So to label me as a tribalist is unfortunate. And that's why I've spoken about this issue of Ngombe because I don't want to encourage demeaning any tribe in this country because in diversity we can succeed. So as you go out please that song, if you want to sing about the UPND, talk about Kwanja. They are symbols. Don't talk about the Ngombe because the Ngombe is not UPND and it's not a symbol of UPND. But like I said, I am going to take this issue of your suffering to the president and ask him to do the correct thing. Indeed, even me have observed that people are suffering. They are not going to stop exporting electricity when the people of Zambia are suffering. Listen to the suffering of the people. Listen to the complaints of the people and do the right thing. I know that Lord shedding can be minimized if we stop exports. But our friends have said they will continue with exports while we are suffering. Let me thank you for voicing out and please as you go back to your respective houses or respective homes just know that this will not end here. I will do a letter to the president and I will give a copy to your leader. Thank you very much for coming. First and foremost, let me say that it is very difficult to comment about the removal of Antony Wadia from status. Suffice to state that he has been demoted. In fact, he has been demoted very badly. Presidential aides, advisor to the president on economic affairs, advisor to the president on political, the presidential aides are above the permanent secretary in grading. Their grade is between the deputy secretary to the cabinet and the permanent secretary. So they are above the permanent secretary. Now, if you are removed from being above the permanent secretary and redeployed into foreign service, where the highest position there is the head of mission, who is either a high commissioner or an ambassador, their position in the ministry is director and the deputy ambassador is assistant director. Now, Anton was a civil servant from above the permanent secretary to be demoted to a director in the ministry. That is very, very unfortunate. If it were me, I could have rejected that position. And there are people who have done that in the past. You remember very well that when President Chiluba died, Mr. Chitalu Sampa, the late Mayor saw rest in peace, was minister of defense. When Manawasa came in after Manawasa won election and took over from Chiluba, he demoted Mr. Chitalu Sampa from minister of defense to deputy minister of defense. Mr. Chitalu Sampa declined to take up that position. That is what we call integrity. But in this country, people have lost integrity. Now, to comment on the circumstances that led to that demotion, it will be very difficult because I am not preview to the reasons why he has been demoted, except to say he has been demoted. And you saw it coming. Well, somehow, somehow I did tell Anton Wadi one day when he was bragging that he was at state house and working well with everybody. I told him you are not part of the team. And sooner or later, you will be removed because of the experience that I had when I went to the UPND alliance. So I knew that it was very difficult for him to fit in that equation. But like I've said, we don't know why he has been unless the President gives us the reason why he has been removed. We may start speculating until maybe the man committed an offense that made the President to remove him. I just hope it is not what people are thinking or what I'm thinking. I just hope because in this country, we need each other. We need all tribes. If it is the reason is that what people are speculating have seen on social media, people speculating it is this tribe. If it is that, we need to avoid that because we need all the tribes in this country and we need to work together as 73 tribes of Zambia. So I hope and trust that it has nothing to do with tribe. If it has something to do with tribe, please, let's stop it. Bembas, Tongas, Kaondes, Namangas, Nsengas, Kundas, whatever tribe, we all need each other. And in life, you don't choose to be born Bemba. You don't choose to be born Lamba. We just find ourselves being born in those tribes. So it is very difficult for me to comment on the issue of Bwadia, only to wish him well in his future endeavors. Okay, just the last one. Many people have had, there's a mixed feeling concerning presidential trips. To say that this same man highly talked about is when his predecessor was in power. Yesterday, if you visit my Facebook page, was it yesterday or the day before yesterday? I advised President Akainde Ichilema to avoid these foreign trips. It is now becoming embarrassing and unnecessary. I quoted a tweet where it said the president must cut off, not cut down.  When you say cut down on foreign trips, you are saying reduce them. When you say cut off, it means no more. That's what President Akainde said. Don't move anymore, because the economy is under distress. But the economy is still under distress. And one other reason he gave was that the price of fuel was too high. We need to save money. The price of fuel is now much higher than it was in 2019 when he was condemning President Lungu for undertaking foreign trips. And I have said, if we continue on this trajectory, people will lose trust in politicians. The result will be that there will be apathy during elections. I want to reemphasize that President Akainde Ichilema must avoid unnecessary foreign trips. Governance is not about the presidency. That's why he has ministers, he has ambassadors, he has high commissioners. Some of these meetings can be attended by those people who are already in those countries where the meetings are held so that we don't spend taxpayers' money. The president has undertaken 30 trips. Together with what year, the one he has gone to is now 31 trips in one month, in one year, seven months. It's unacceptable, Zambians. It's unacceptable. Speak against this thing. And for our colleagues in the UPND, you know why we lost elections in the PF. We were defending everything. Even if something was wrong, you would find somebody from PF saying, no, it's just okay. And until the people of Zambia said, oh, so it's okay. Let it be okay in the ballot. You are also going in the same trajectory, praising us. Tell the president the truth. This is wrong. This is right. As for me, President Akainde Ichilema, please. Thank you. Okay. One last. The US Treasury was in Zambia, and she did indicate that Chinese, the Chinese government is getting a lot of minerals without investing back in the country. That statement has been received with a lot of mixed feelings. You've been in the government the previous when you've worked with the Chinese. Is it true that the Chinese have not invested? I don't know what extent she meant, but do you believe they haven't invested much? Well, whatever she meant, let me say that we should not particularly single out China, as those who are getting minerals without investing properly in the country. Because Zambia has not benefited much from the mineral resources, but it's not China has only come in now. Most of the mines were run by the Europeans or the Western world. So for her to say that again is China. That is why yesterday I was advising the president to be very careful the way he's engaging the Americans. We all know that there is a trade and there's a trade war between China and America. And let not the American use us to fight the Chinese. That statement coming from the Americans is very unfortunate and unfair to China. We all need to have the benefit from the copper industry in Zambia. But singling out one particular country is not fair. All of them without exception have been very selfish in terms of investment in Zambia. They come to invest in the copper industry, but they don't want to invest in the manufacturing industry. Do you know why they want to treat us like a dumping ground for their produce? So it's unfair that she singled out China. She must say all of us have come to Africa to get minerals without investing and taking care of the welfare of the Africans. So please China, I mean America, we are not going to help you to fight China. We are a non-aligned country. We keep friendship with all of you and nobody should use Zambia to fight another big power. We are not going to accept that. Thank you very much.


Hello, welcome back to my YouTube channel. This is Daniel Rossell and this channel covers videos about Jerusalem and Israel There's one brand name that's on everybody's lips in Israel at the moment and that is Carrefour If you haven't heard about them before, Carrefour is a huge French grocery chain, aka supermarket network Carrefour operates 12,000 stores throughout the globe and is the world's ace largest retailer by revenue Making it pretty massive. It operates stores in 30 countries throughout the world and more than half of its revenue is now generated from outside of France More importantly for Israeli customers, Carrefour is known for its affordable products and its own label goods helping consumers to shop affordably Tomorrow, Tuesday, Carrefour is holding a nationwide coordinated launch of its new stores in Israel Describing the stores as new however might be a tiny bit misleading Carrefour's entry strategy to Israel involves tapping into an existing chain of supermarkets in order to launch its own stores In order to open a network in Israel Carrefour signed a memorandum of understanding last year with Israeli consumer giant electric consumer products under the terms of the MOU Supermarkets that had previously operated under two different brand names Yenot Bitan and Super will become Carrefour stores Around the same time Shufasal inked a tentative agreement to bring spa to Israel Meaning the two internationally recognized grocery stores could soon be gracing Israel's towns and streets During the intermittent period of the franchise agreement between Carrefour and Electra The supermarkets retained their original names Yenot Bitan and Super but have begun stocking Carrefour branded products However, this will change on Tuesday with the new roll out when the stores will fully shift over to the Carrefour store branding The scale of Carrefour's plans to set up and ramp up operations in Israel are pretty impressive On Tuesday nine Carrefour's will open in Tel Aviv Four in Herzliya, three in Bersheva, three in Ashdod, three in Haifa and one in Ramatbe Takerim Which is outside of Jerusalem, as many as 100 new stores are expected to open throughout the country by year end So why is all this significant? The arrival of Carrefour into Israel will mark the first time that an international grocery chain has decided to make a large-scale bet on breaking into the Israeli market Of course, there are plenty of international franchises operating in Israel There is McDonald's, Zara and Decathlon to name three, but so far we haven't seen an international supermarket chain break in here This might be because Israel presents unique challenges for retailers given the requirements for goods to be kosher Acceptable to Jewish dietary standards. At 10 million Israel is also considered a relatively small market in the big scheme of things For prospective global retail giants such as Walmart, for example It's easy to understand how these two factors taken together might seem off-putting. The requirement for stiffer competition in the Israeli food sector However, is definitely there. Israel suffers from a chronically high cost of living and the high price of basic food stuffs is a major component of that. In fact, it was anger at this very dynamic that sparked a wave of national protests in 2011 Which took the rallying call as the unacceptably high price of cottage cheese, which is considered a basic daily staple by many Israelis The problem extends way beyond cottage cheese though. As I showed in a previous video It's cheaper to buy olive oil in Ireland where there are literally zero olive trees than in major Israeli grocery stores Where olive trees might be literally growing in the car park Consumers are already reporting that the introduction of car for products has exerted downward pressure on the price of some basic consumer staples like olive oil in Israel. A Major cause of the high cost of living in Israel is government policies that have shielded Israeli companies from foreign competition Resulting in the establishment of monopolies and oligopolies who can set prices artificially high This economic policy intended to shield Israeli companies from the effect of bigger foreign players is usually known as protectionism But it runs contrary to Israeli governments embrace a free market capitalism Which doesn't usually endorse such tactics. Beyond the immediate effect It might have on prices at Israel's main grocery chains Shufrasal and Rami Levy The arrival of car for into the Israeli market may prove to be a successful case study Which encourages other foreign retailers beyond those in the food sector to take a chance on serving this market Needless to say not everybody is thrilled to see the French giant coming to Israel If two Israelis have three opinions, then it's safe to say that about car for they're probably going to be four Some are worried the car for will be able to tap into economies of scale that Israeli supermarkets simply cannot Forcing other supermarkets to make unrealistic price cuts in order to keep competitive Many worry that the pain will ultimately be felt by suppliers In other words the livelihood of small Israeli businesses may be harmed by the foreign entrant Either way like millions in Israel I'm personally extremely excited to check out the opening tomorrow And if I can convince someone to allow me to record a video and trust me I've been trying I'll give you guys a look at the shelf layout the prices and the product selection in the new branch in Jerusalem. I hope this video has been worth your time Thanks for sticking around with it until the end and if you'd like to receive more videos from me Then please do consider subscribing to this YouTube channel until next time


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So, the way that this whole talk and schedule came together this week is kind of ironic because it's made the whole thing seem utterly more dramatic because it looks like a write-in at the last minute and lots of swapping going on and everything. If you came to this talk expecting to see live WP drama or for me to say something horribly controversial, you will be sadly disappointed. The only potential WP drama that will happen here today is if I pace and fall off the stage, which is a possibility. So the four agreements and WP drama and WordPress community, this is a version of a talk that I've given before to professional services and to consultants, but this time with an orientation toward the community. Human behavior is complex and over-determined. What I mean by that is the individual reasons why any given person does a thing have multiple conflicting overlapping interests behind them. It's actually very difficult to figure out why somebody does something. You may encounter this yourself as you look back over your career and you try to figure out why you made certain decisions. When you add people together into communities and shift from sort of psychology into sociology, things get even weirder and more complex and more over-layered. In an open-source community, sometimes the result is WP drama, which feels like constantly ramming your head over and over again against a wooden wall like this person is doing in the helmet testing image. So over my years as a consultant over the last 20 years, one of the things that I've discovered as a way of helping me understand my relationship to various communities and how I work with people in those communities is this book called The Four Agreements. It's about 20 years ago, came out in 1997, Don Miguel Ruiz. It is squarely in the kind of New Age self-help era of mid-90s Oprah Winfrey show. He was a favorite guest of Oprah's. If you are a person for whom a phrase like spiritual warrior gives you the hives, there are aspects of this book you will not like. I would recommend you skip the first chapter.  That said, if you look at the very top, it's called a practical guide to personal freedom. There is a wonderful wealth of very concisely put value in this book for everyone. The first agreement, I'm going to go over all four. Be impeccable with your word. I have used the phrases here directly from the book because I think it's actually a marvel of kind of concision and preciseness. Speak with integrity, say only what you mean. Often when it comes to engaging with a community, the most important thing you can do with your word is be silent. When gossip is floating around, when controversy is happening that you don't actually know anything about, sometimes the best thing you can do is shut up. In other cases, recognizing the power of your word, recognizing the way that we tell stories about ourselves and about each other shapes our perception of the world in very meaningful and fundamental ways. In a lot of ways, your brain doesn't know the difference between a story you tell it that is fictional and a story you tell it that is real in terms of how it affects your physiology and your psychology. Recognizing that means avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others.  Ultimately, they're going to figure out you don't know what you're doing and they've given you this job by accident and all of that kind of self-negativity. The more that you can change that script and make your story about what you have succeeded at, the better. The same is true when you talk about other people in the community. If you grew up in an English speaking or English as a first language community, you may know sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. The reality is it's not true. Words are very hurtful and they have a strong impact. We should take very seriously the power of communication in a community setting and what it means to do so. Second agreement is don't take anything personally. When it comes to not taking anything personally, you have to be a bit careful. What we mean by don't take anything personally is recognizing that when you're engaging with others in the community, you're responsible for your side of the conversation and they are responsible for their side. So a lot of times the energy that they're bringing, whether it's negativity or criticism or anger or jealousy or whatever, says as much about the person who is talking to you, says more about the person who is talking to you than it does about you. The way he puts it is what others say and do is a projection of their reality. I always talk about this as when you're having that conversation with someone, they are bringing and presenting you a gift. Sometimes that gift is praise, sometimes that gift is criticism, sometimes that gift is anger but it's your choice whether to accept it and internalize it or brush it off and move on. This doesn't mean there are two ways in which this goes wrong. This does not mean we have to tolerate abusive behavior. It doesn't mean that people in the community who are subject to certain kinds of harassment should just toughen up and get over it. That is not what I'm saying. I want to be very clear about that. It also doesn't mean that you should ignore feedback that you get from your peers, your friends and your colleagues, especially if it's consistent over time. If you have five different people in the course of a year tell you that you were doing something that isn't appropriate, you are. Third, don't make assumptions. There's a great saying about assumptions and what happens when you make them to you and me, which I won't repeat. This is one that is incredibly difficult to actually operationalize. Most of the time when there is WP drama, it's because people are making assumptions about motivations, about why someone has done something. They're filling in gaps in things that they don't understand and it's that disconnect between sort of what has actually happened and the assumptions that they've made about it, that becomes the problem. I'm going wicked fast. All right, so I will try to slow down a bit. When I see this happen with consultants making assumptions, there's a couple of different versions that happen here. One is that imposter syndrome version. And there's a great series of videos that Jimmy Kimmel Show does where they go to Coachella and they ask people outside Coachella about bands. But the thing is they're making up all the band names. They're not real bands. They don't exist. And yet, people are so afraid to say, oh, I've never heard of them, that they will go on for 10 minutes about I saw them at Lollipalooza and I heard they're really good and I'm really looking forward to that show and one of my friends went and saw them and they'll make up whole elaborate tales. Consultants will do the same thing. A client says in a meeting, I need to make sure that our DFP is properly configured and you have no idea what DFP is. You say, yes, absolutely, we need to make sure that DFP is properly configured, right? Or some framework that you've never heard of or some JavaScript language or something else that's happening that you don't know. And instead of saying, excuse me, could we stop for a minute? I have no idea what you're talking about.  I have even seen this happen where then it turns out later that the client was actually using the wrong term and now you're in this weird situation where you didn't correct them because you didn't actually know but now you're not actually sure what they were actually talking about because they also didn't really know what they were talking about. Talk about drama, that's a very clear way to have this happen. When Reece says with just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life. I think this is absolutely true. In my practice when I'm engaged with clients, when I'm engaged with employees, when I'm engaged with my family, when I'm engaged with my community, anytime I find myself getting hot under the collar, getting stressed out, feeling my blood pressure rising, seeing a conversation going in a bad direction, I stop and think, what are the assumptions I'm making about the situation? It's hard, it's something you have to practice and learn to do but the more that you can do it, the more that it will fundamentally change your life. The fourth agreement, always do your best. I love, first of all, that there's a picture of a sad stormtrooper sitting at a table and second of all that somebody came up with that tagline, those were the droids that we're looking for. My only wish is that they had put were in italics because I think that would really make it stronger. Those were the droids that we're looking for. Always do your best is about avoiding regret. Always do your best is about making sure and being authentic to yourself, going back to being impeccable with your word, about when you really were doing your best and when you really weren't. This picture on the right actually comes from, it's my photo, a Fortune 10 company, let's say, at which I used to spend significant time on site as a consultant and in the break room on the floor where IT was, there was this sign next to a toaster, a microwave and a coffee machine. Please do not use all three appliances at the same time.  We never quite figured out whether this location just meant like that kitchen or the entire building or the whole city or like what exactly this would mean. But it became our sort of shorthand for when you're running too fast and when you're gonna burn out, right?  It's kind of like burning the candle at both ends but it's a modern version. And it's literally only five years later when I was preparing this deck that I noticed that it says thanks, facilites, right? Facilites, I guess maybe, right? Now, probably some ESL or whatever, I mean, I don't wanna mock the person who wrote the sign but it's just sort of, you're so focused on one thing, you actually ignore everything else and I never even noticed that until I did that. The thing in our community that I always do your best comes down to is again a tricky balance. So just like when you're talking about don't take anything personally, you have to worry about, don't take anything personally means don't internalize that criticism, don't take on energy that doesn't belong to you.  Always do your best has an interesting also dichotomy. It does mean you are supposed to really lean in and do your best. And I think all of us as consultants, anytime I've had this conversation with an employee and some kind of challenges happen with a client and they've said, well, I did my best and I say, really? Did you really think you did your best to try to check your assumptions? Do you really think you handled that the most effective way you were capable of? We all know when that's not true, right? There's a kind of internal dialogue that says, actually, what I probably could have done a lot more. Balanced against if you are constantly running 80 hours a week, if you are constantly using all three appliances at the same time, you will shut down. So do the best that you are capable of at that moment is what it means. The order of these is important, right? This is the kind of thing that I have gifted, given as required reading, assigned, discussed, handed out to teams. Once you understand these four and how they relate to each other, it can really have a huge impact on how you think about your relationship to the community. Starting with be impeccable with your word comes down to owning your part in the conversation, right? As my mother, the social worker used to say, you can't control how other people act. You can only control how you react to them. So the be impeccable with your word is the part that you play, right? And for us, that means the things you retweet, the things you like, the things, the comment threads that you engage in, the things that you subtweet, right? All of those things are part of using your word and thinking about what do you promote when you are retweeting somebody? Who are you calling attention to and who are you ignoring? And how are you playing a role in perpetuating that drama is all part of that. That don't take anything personally is then about how you're reacting with those folks around you. That don't make assumptions as often as that's the problem is you're making assumptions about the people you're interacting with so it sort of starts to edge out from you to the community. And then they always do your best means, also always do your best at obeying the three above it, right? So it's kind of like Asamo's Laws of Robotics or something, they're in an order for a purpose. There's a reason for that. So lastly, a couple of bonus agreements. So the first one, be skeptical but learn to listen is actually from a later book put out by Don Aries' son called The Fifth Agreement because any super successful book has to have a sequel. I'm expecting The Sixth Agreement at any point probably as a Hollywood movie. But I think it's great, right? Be skeptical but learn to listen. Think about how impactful that could have been in this election year. Really learning to listen. And a good sort of caveat there is listening in order to actually understand versus listening so that you know when you can cut in with your reply because they've finally stopped talking, right? There's a huge difference between those two that sometimes we miss. Second is one of my favorites, don't take anything especially yourself too seriously. Humor as an antidote to drama is a hugely valuable thing, right? And having a sense of humor about your own world as well as the world around you is important. Third is from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, one of my favorite four book trilogies, Don't Panic, which is my first advice. Every time somebody reaches me by phone or by Slack or whatever and I can sense the panic in their voice, my first words are always don't panic. Has anyone been injured? Have the policeman called? Will this be in the newspaper tomorrow? If they answered all three of those questions is no, calm down, right? You are not alone, it's more fun with other people.  And don't feed the trolls, it's just kind of classic internet wisdom. Sometimes the most important key on your keyboard is the delete key, right? And that doesn't excuse other people's behavior, but it does mean it's sometimes your simplest answer. Thanks, I've been John Eichmann, I'm the CEO at TenUp and I'm very happy to be here. Thank you.