Alright, it's a rainy Wednesday morning. Time for day three of double S. I have a talk to you today. Let's go. Okay, talk uploaded. Session starting in 30 minutes. We'll go do a lap. Get ready for that. It's gonna be a good day. It's off to a much better start. I got coffee. My talk is uploaded. Doing a quick run around the poster hall to see if there's any must-have swag this morning. And then I gotta go upstairs in just a minute. Swag this year is really good, but I already have all the stuff that I like. So nothing new came out today that I need. Time to go upstairs and get ready for a talk. Fun fact, if you withdraw your talk after the schedule is made, they will still hold the slot open. So the session starts with an empty slot. This is an ambitiously large room. So hello everybody. My name is Miles Curry. I'm a fifth year grad student at the University of Washington. And today I'm going to be presenting my talk titled, There's More to Light than O2. Assessing the detectability of biosignatures and environmental context for high-risk heteroscopy of terrestrial exoplanets. Good morning. My name is Evan Sneed. I'm a first year graduate student at the University of California Riverside. This has been a little bit of a hobby project for the past like year and a half. I will say this is a work in progress. So please have discretion with Twitter and Mastodon and Press and all that sort of stuff. Hello everyone. My name is Andy Nellifor. I'm a third year undergraduate at a young university. So yeah, I'll be talking a little bit about what we've been doing with the green mech telescope. And I've also been playing around a little bit with artificial intelligence as Peter was discussing. I didn't ask her to write the abstract for this talk. It's not the one I ended up submitting, but it did a pretty good job. Before I jump into it, I want to make sure I highlight my many collaborators. I've studied Institute of Breakthrough and other places. And especially here in Bowle, Barbara did an icoster yesterday. So if it's icoster, you can close up CS and chat with her. And Andy, since the ground here for Tumor Fox, you can see Andy's life as well. So that's on student collaborators who are giving big presentations about the way to work. It's a big sky with a lot of stars. And if you want to get the attention of another civilization like ours...


what is up guys karma medic here and welcome back to another dose this is my first ever morning waking up in my new apartment it's been six years since i've woken up in the new house so i'm very very very excited feeling full of energy just grateful and blessed today i cannot wait to get all this stuff unpacked i'm gonna try and do it all in one day a lot of people doubt me but i'm gonna try my best and see how it goes it's gonna be good i'm just gonna pick a box for my desk my first ever gopro the gopro hero 4 i just can't get myself to throw this away it's such like an important step in my video making journey and i have to hold on to it first box done here let's do some kitchen stuff this is gonna be a lot to do in here and might as well get started the lovely job of deciding where everything goes in the new house where should i put the spices where should i put cantuna where should i put all these random things all right so obviously these are gonna be for cups and bowls and stuff spices should we have a spice drawer should we have a spice closet that's one thing i really really like about this house is that there's so much storage space which is a godsend after how compact we were in the previous house i think i'm gonna choose here this seems like a good spot to be uh let's do it it's decided i've changed my mind because we're not gonna be able to see the spices at the back so instead i'm gonna put them down here yeah this way you can actually see the spices and we can decide what we want and kind of put them on the bottom row i think that makes more sense these big ones anyway these guys don't really cut it recording this whole time progress in the kitchen i don't think everything is in its final resting place i'm obviously gonna make changes as we go along and i figure out where i want things to go but um i've unpacked quite a few things but i'm getting a little bit bored of the kitchen so let's move on to something else i think the best way to tackle this massive pile of boxes here is to get rid of everything that belongs to nor and put it in her room so nor abandoned me believe it or not during this move she's gone on a three week asia trip to singapore vietnam then she's going to campodia i think so she's abandoned me um so i've got to do all this by myself so i think i'm gonna take all these boxes and move them into nor's room over here which is the master bedroom the ensuite that we have and just kind of store them in here that way i know what's left i can clear out a big part of this room and then i can start doing things in my room in my desk as well let's do it good enough right now she definitely has more boxes but the room's getting kind of full and i want her to be able to walk when she gets here maybe i'll move them in there for now and move them back out later okay time for me time for my stuff and i think i'm gonna start with my snowboard over here and then i'll do some clothes all right i can't believe i actually have space to roll this in this house instead of just carry it everywhere a slight problem i forgot about need to put all these things away before i have space to deal with the snowboard so let's do that all right welcome to the segment of the vlog called fill my wardrobe with me so i'm a pretty tall guy okay and in my old house the rack for the t-shirts was pretty high up but like look at this this is this is really up there i mean there's no chance alexa i could ever reach a t-shirt up here for example but anyways i've got plenty of clothes plenty of closet space thank you lord um i'm just gonna start packing things away how i would normally have them back in the old house i think i'm gonna keep a relatively similar sort of process of packing things i had it down very well before where i had like place for my formal pants place for my not formal pants and shorts had my nice formal jumpers and then i had place for my hoodies my t-shirts my work clothes and shirts i had it i had it nicely organized i'm just gonna keep it the same now these boxes might be the coolest innovation in packing i've seen promises basically they allow you to just take your clothes off the rack as they are and then stack them onto this rack here then i can literally lift them off of here and put them in the closet i mean what a genius idea to demonstrate i'm going the far right jackets haven't decided yet so we'll put them there for now let's take out some of these t-shirts first look at that amazing so a bit of separation all right we've got hoodies on the far right crewnecks and sweatshirts here and then my like nice t-shirts that i wear going out and then my not so nice t-shirts that i wear around the house i wear toon from work etc so that's the kind of general division that we're gonna have here and then obviously we can subdivide each category and organize it a little bit better but for now let's just get these out and onto the wrongs perfect oh whoops this is your crewneck and then you just remove this little plastic piece and you store it with the box and that's it all right decided to bring a step ladder because honestly even i was struggling all the way up like organize this a bit more nicely all right guys got a lot of the closet unpacked and i think it's looking beautiful so i wanted to show you briefly we've got at the top like i mentioned before hoodies crewnecks and sweatshirts and my nicer t-shirts and then my not so nice t-shirts over there down here we've got all my formal sort of pants and chinos things like that i've got a couple pairs of jeans here as well moving down all of my different sweatpants informal shorts that i wear around the house and just for quick walks and then my nice shorts that i wear out of the house down here got a couple of my hats until i figure out what i want to put there um some more sweatpants and linen pants there and then finally kind of winter sweaters that i would wear over a shirt or just as a second layer to stay warm and then a lot more things are going to go in these closets probably all my towels bed sheets duvet covers and things like that yeah it's pretty much it for now finally time to move the snowboard so let's deal with that all right this is a bit of a difficult one but it definitely best belongs in under the bed storage which is where i'm going to put things i pretty much will use very few times in here we'll have to dig in there get it out okay so let's put it in wheels first you can roll it in right to the back to its resting place and let's see if there's a close nice and flush amazing done honestly not sure where to go next master's desk fragile it's a good one there's a lot of noise room boxes maybe let me move a few of those in the sign so you can clear out and see what we have left every time i decide to do something then i see a box and i get distracted i have to do it decide what to do again all right let's say focus noise room boxes should probably bring these plants out so i remember to order them at some point ps5 in it so we have to unpack this jesus this is just got too much stuff to do in her room i thought i'd be able to get rid of a lot more boxes to be honest looks like i've still got a lot to do but hey here we go extension cords i just thought if i covered oh this is like finding hidden treasure oh my god i love extension cords okay i will make great use of these very happy i found them very nice thank you previous sense this box over here has a bunch of my files i've decided that i'm gonna make this little shelf section over here probably for my camera stuff and also my files and folders and things so let's get this open see what you go where so yeah a hundred and notes from king's college london it can go right there tendon hammer which i've managed to bend during the moving process i'm not sure where that's going to go just yet putting mat for golf that's exciting camera case oh my big light which i need to set up somewhere in my office put this here for now this is a bunch of filming equipment that i use let's just put it there massage done channel for a while you know where those buttons are from but really great making some significant progress this is all here plans there's nothing to deal with but yeah i'm getting pretty damn hungry oh yeah let me show you my shoes definitely need something to store all of those anyways i'm getting really hungry so i decided to order food i've ordered some burgers from a place called bleaker if you guys are in london and you haven't tried them i would highly recommend i haven't managed to find the tv remote so i can't switch to the chromecast but i managed to flick around from this little button on the back so i'm gonna sit down and grab something to eat rest a little bit and then continue with the packing guys remember in my old vlogs what this exact shot would look like i would sit down like this and i'd be eating food and it was just so much smaller like now look at all the space here here in here that is absurd absolutely absurd anyways let's kick back relax and watch something all right guys we've got quite a decent amount of things going on in this box mostly random but all kitchen related so i'm just gonna have to take them out one by one and see where they belong a lot of mugs possibly the most important thing in the house so let's go find a good spot for it entrance i did not realize how much kitchen related stuff we have i'm a bit overwhelmed i've ready to put all these things i felt like i had a lot of space and i feel like i don't have a lot of space i've even turned the stove on and somehow managed to turn it on accidentally anyway disaster avoided exciting time we've got a new room okay i'm gonna be doing my bathroom we've got all of these toiletries over here and i'm gonna sort that into this cupboard which is very neat behind the mirror just gonna stack them all in a nice neat way hey i'm not gonna lie it's been a while since i've picked up the camera i have been deliriously just unpacking boxes my little fan thing over there says it's 31 degrees in here i am boiling i honestly feel like i'm in a fever dream but we're pretty much done there's just like one box there which is for my desk one box here which is for my desk those are all noise boxes which we're not doing anything with that has some plant pots and things that i need to figure out and then around here most of those things are for my desk when i set up electronics those are all going in storage and then that's some storage stuff so honestly like we're almost there i think maybe an hour and i can wrap this whole thing up and put most things where they belong which is amazing to say kitchen is looking pretty good i've got two fans running this obviously needs some cleaning up and tidying everywhere but things are things are coming together this is my favorite closet so far and then the one thing i actually haven't touched at all and that i'm not going to touch in this video is my office it's pretty much completely empty minus this little drawing here i put up the youtube plaques and scrubs a couple of picture frames here from canada my university degree but i haven't done anything it's absolutely still completely empty and the reason is i feel like that that needs to be its own video that's going to be a huge undertaking massive massive effort put all my study things here and yeah then here these only to be thrown out those shoes and organization and my bedroom is pretty much as you last saw it let's see i've filled up a lot of the closets completely now found a couple more boxes that had uh master's clothes written on them so there was still more to come and actually i'll show you now i had to put most of my big clothes and suits outside oh god that's so satisfying like an actual work closet love it and then yeah like i said my suits and things i've had to put over here big jackets and suits because they just didn't fit in my thing put up these pictures everywhere as you can see i guess the advantage of no not being here is that i can put all of my artwork up on the wall and she can't say or do anything about it i did give her this one though i put this one up which is hers where is it that one anyways i think i'm just gonna yeah tidy up a little bit do a little bit more and then call it a day i'm defeated i'm delirious i'm tired i'm exhausted i have a couple of friends coming over they want to play some kind of rocket league tournament or something and then we're gonna watch love island together and have dinner together and just chill and relax after what's been really a very very busy day so yeah i think i'm gonna end off the vlog here it's amazing that i can walk around with my camera and walk around whilst i end off the vlog this is really nice for a change thank you so much for watching i hope you are enjoying this series of videos i think in the next one i'll set up my desk in my room and i can be a video on its own so like this video subscribe and stay tuned if you want to see more thank you so much for watching and i'll see you in the next one peace


Hi, Chris Kaiser, president of the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute here at home in the Mid-Atlantic. We've got our first big snowfall eight inches of heavy wet snow, but I am prepared. What I did got my outdoor power equipment ready in advance of the storm. Pre-fired my chainsaw. I've got a couple of limbs down. Now I use canned gas, ethanol-free gas for my handheld. Use my blower to clear the driveway. No leaves, sticks, dog toys. Make sure the space you're going to snow throw is clear. Importantly, I got a snow thrower. Made a big job small, turned the key, primed, choked. Let's give it a pull and see what happens. What a girl. Big jobs made small. Outdoor power equipment. Be prepared.


Hello everyone!  How long are you doing this? Twenty meters. Twenty meters. Are you really going to break my hair or are you going to do something else? Okay. So tomorrow my official start my program course. So I will study for three days a week. And I expect that the next soldier who is... Who is a metatropic. Are you filming the video or the version of my head? With me. No, I don't know how to do it. But I don't know how to do it. I don't know. How did you say something with a very long voice? So I don't know. I'm afraid that something is wrong. I don't know. Now it's too long. Oh, I see. And I don't know.  I don't know. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know. So your father has two children. One. Three. Oh, three. I forgot about the other non-speakable thing in your family. Yeah, the non-speakable thing. Yeah. I don't know this. But that thing. And that thing. They are the good things in the family. But there are three things that are not spoken. We don't talk about them. Because they are the bad things. And here's the girl. She doesn't want to look at what's going on. I'm afraid that the hair is just defective. And it doesn't work.  You have a beautiful tattoo. Thank you. Is that a dragon? Yes. Yes. It's a beautiful dragon. And a tattoo. I always want to have a tattoo. But I always think of a tattoo for two years. And finally I come to decide. And when I'm ready to do the tattoo. When I change my mind immediately. That's the whole idea. Yeah. That's when I have fruits. So I just decided not to do the tattoo. And I simply decided to select fruits. Yes. Essentially yes. And for me, viewers, the parents are still alive. The incendiaries didn't burn the house. Then the extinguishers came. And succeeded in saving the house and my family. But we don't really die because of the wind. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why are you... Why? Why do I have to put a hat? Is there a hat for this? Film the face. Why? Why? Why? What happened? Show the screen to me. I have to see it.  I really don't have hair in this. Is it? It took some time. But I really don't know what's wrong with it. Okay. Okay. So what do you think about my new orange hair? I don't know if it's good. And you? What do you think it's good? It's good. Can you do it? Can you do it? Yes. Can you do it? Can you do it? Okay. Good. Everything. Everything. Come here. We have to make the end of the film. Thanks. Wait. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. I have food. She doesn't like it. Okay. Obviously, the dogs don't want to be the end of the film. So if you like this film. This is the film. And my new orange hair. It's not serious. It's not serious. You know what you have to do. Like it, share it, subscribe to my channel. If you are not subscribed yet. I'll see you all in the next film. And you won't be there very well. And I'll leave you in the comments. To make the end of the film.


Hi, I'm Chris Thompson from Investor Intel and today we're with Marcy Keesman, the president, CEO and chairperson of Durango Resources on the TSX Bencer Exchange. DGO is the symbol, currently trading around $0.07 with a market cap of $6M. It is a company that is focused on Quebec with some very interesting projects across a variety of mineral resources. So welcome. How are you today Marcy? Good, good. Thanks for having me. So you are focused on the Abitibi region of Quebec and your last project that I saw some results from was you had your Windfall project and you had some interesting silver results from a gold project. Can you comment on that? Yeah, well, not necessarily silver results, but we actually had some visible silver, properly called native silver in our drill core. And yes, it is true, we were actively searching for gold next door to a Cisco mining, which is a pretty well known project here in Canada. But sometimes you can get the native silver in these sorts of hydrothermal systems. And basically it's just when the, it's a magmatic system and when the hot fluids are coming up, the gold will be deeper. And then as you go closer to the surface, you'll get elements such as silver that hang around and are closer to surface, which makes sense because we were not drilling anywhere near the depths of what a Cisco has been drilling. And we're basically going in and testing the environment to make sure that we are able to get some gold at depths. And so we've had some IP anomalies that we've been testing and had the silver, which is great, a great indicator. We can see association next door to with the Cisco because they've had actually native silver in with their visible gold, but they've had it at much deeper depths than we have. We didn't have any visible gold. And we're hoping we'll get some assays that return with even some sort of gold grades to go along with this silver. And then we'll know we just got to go back and drill deeper to have a pretty good chance of replicating some results. So you've been drilling a windfall in the first part of this year. How are the drill results coming from the lab these days? There's a lot of backup because of COVID and also because there's a huge amount of activity. How are your drill results? Well, we have been expecting them any day for the last few weeks. And from what I understand, there's dribs and drops, but there's nothing that we can't even get a whole hole together yet. So it's bits and pieces kind of everywhere. So hopefully we'll get all the final results. We're really looking forward to see what kind of results we'll get, especially on the hole where we had the visible silver. It would be interesting to see what kind of grade we'll get.  And so once you get that and do the analysis, will you plan another drill program later on this year there? Yeah, we have permits to continue drilling up there. We just didn't want to go and blow the bank and continue to drill and drill and drill until we had our first round of results showing if the system is in fact bearing gold with the silver. So that's one of the drawbacks of being the junior with the $6 million market cap. You've got to conserve your money and spend it unless you know you're going to have a pretty good chance of success. So in the meantime, yeah, and I guess that makes sense. And in the meantime, you're moving off to another exciting project that has got a lot of attention these days up near Shabugamu for your Discovery project. So what are you doing up in that region? Yeah, so basically we've had some previous work over the years up and we've had this project for quite a long time and have been slowly working along it. It's a pretty decent size project. It's around 7,000 hectares and it's pretty complicated geology. Basically, it covers an important geological structure. It's kind of it's called a hinge fold or a nose fold in geological terms. And it's where there's been a collision of two large chunks of rock and then one has veering and takes a nice 30 degree turn to the northeast. It's on strike with the old path producing Troilus mine. And we've found some gold at surface in quartz veins and basalt, 6 and 7 grams per ton. So what we're looking to do is to go up and with a machine and strip the area down and try to get a good idea of the direction to make sure everything's going the way we hope it's going in order to get some drilling done later this summer. And how many holes do you think you'll be doing up at the Discovery project? Well, we've permitted for 15. We can always add or take away. We've done some AI over the last couple months while we've been waiting for all the results. We're trying to keep busy and get everything else moving forward. So we've got two really interesting AI anomalies that have been generated and they're both pretty decent size, which is fantastic. So we're going to be doing a lot of groundwork in the area and like I said, stripping and then eventually be poking a few holes just to test, especially the wind target is quite large. So chances are we can't really miss it as long as we get to the right depths. And how deeply you'll be drilling? Well, it's looking like we'll probably do a few deeper holes that would be maybe like down to like 5 or 600 meters and then we'll be doing some that are shallower too just so we can make sure that we actually have a chance of hitting the target. So what can investors expect from you, from news and activity for the rest of the year then? We're going to be having drill results obviously and more results from some surface work. We've got a few different companies interested in doing potential partnerships with us on some of our projects. So hopefully things will get better. We'll get some nice results and get our share price up and make our shareholders some money. And what's your current cash position? My financial terminal says 1.6 million but it's always about three months behind. How are you set right now for funds? Yeah, well we still have cash in the bank. We're trying to be conservative hence not continuing to drill deep holes until we know we've got gold in the ones that we're already drilling. But we'll probably be raising money sometime in the next little bit just because we do want to poke a couple holes in up in the Shabugamu area. And same thing with our Damascus I think we'll serve our shareholders well to prove our projects up a little bit more before we make plans to do anything else. So yeah, so far so good. We've got a lot of warrants that are actually outstanding as well. So if we get things moving and the gold and silver prices continue to go in our favor then I think it should be a good summer. Well it looks like there's a lot of exciting things happening for you this summer. Thanks for your time and I'm Chris Thompson for Investor Intel. Have a great day. Thanks so much Chris.


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When I was a kid, I listened to a soap opera, because I was ill for a period of time. And the name of it was Orgal South. And the tagline was, how did a little girl from a mining town in the West grow up to marry a rich and famous lord? So Anne, how did a school librarian from Alaska get to be a president of ALA? I didn't marry a rich and famous lord. I'll tell you that. Well, it's really interesting. I grew up not far from here. I grew up in San Bruno. How many of you here were in the Bay Area in 1978? Ooh, lots. You guys haven't moved far from home. In fact, when I look at my high school graduating class, they haven't moved far from home either. But when I was in high school and I went to Cappuccino High School in San Bruno, my government teacher was Leo J. Ryan, who was killed in the Jonestown Massacre in 1978 in Guyana. And we had student government day. I wanted to be the mayor. And he made me the librarian. You know, at the time, I should have taken a word of wisdom from Leo J. Ryan, because if I had, I wouldn't have waited until I was 30 to go to library school. I would have gone when I was 22. But now, when I think back on it, Mr. Ryan was right. I got to be the librarian. And I got to be the mayor. And that's my job this year to be the President of the American Library Association. But we moved from the Bay Area and eventually ended up in 1972 in Alaska. And the only job that was there available was in a school library. And I thought, well, OK, I can do this. I've now been with the Juneau School District for 27 years. And I'm really amazed that I'm still a school librarian when I started out as a cereals cataloger. But when you work in a one-person library, there isn't anybody else to talk to, at least in terms of your professional colleagues. And so one of the things that I did was I got interested in association activities. And that was the Alaska Library Association. And for many years, I did just about every job that one could do in the Alaska Library Association. But walking down the street in San Francisco in 1983 when ALA conference was here, 81, sometime in the early 80s, I thought, I kind of like ALA. This is kind of fun. Maybe I'll run for ALA chapter counselor. And for those of you who don't know, ALA is governed by a council of 170 people, all of whom have different ideas about how ALA should run. But each state gets one. So I decided to run for Alaska chapter counselor, which I did. And I spent four years.  You're so green. You don't know how it works. You don't know what the issues are. And you kind of sit there. And so for four years, I didn't say a word, except for the state of Alaska brings a check for $50 or something. But I worked behind the scenes because I've always been a hard worker. And somewhere along the way, I looked at the ALA executive board. And I thought, this executive board, those people who are elected to govern us or to be our leaders, they don't represent me. I feel like I'm an average member of ALA. I work in a one person library. I live in a small town. I live in a state that's quite isolated. We didn't have the internet back then. And I thought, this board is only, excuse me, big public library directors, deans of library schools, directors of academic libraries. And I thought, where are just the regular people? Those of us who've been in ALA for 100 years. So I thought, I could run for the ALA executive board. But before I did that, I thought, well, I'll call one of the ALA past presidents to be nameless, not you. And she said to me, oh, dear, you're certainly not qualified to do this job. You couldn't possibly do this job. You don't understand the issues. They're very complex. So I thought, OK, scratch that one. I'll go on to the next person I know. And I really want to spend a moment here. Regina has been, I think, a mentor to so many people throughout the American Library Association. Because she has that kind of personality. I didn't know Gina. She was president when I was on council. And then she was past president. And one of the things I found is that you don't have time at conference to talk to people. But I always felt like she was a person that I could just call up and say, can I talk to you? So I did. And I think I even called you at home. I think so. Horror of horrors. You know, I just, as a librarian, I'm very, what's the word? Resourceful. Yes. Resourceful. That's a good word. I'm very resourceful as a librarian. So I found her home phone number. And I called her up. And I said, Gina, do you think I could run for the ALA executive board? Now, whether she was just being presidential and lying to me or not, she was very, very gracious. And I think that, to me, that was, you know, as just one of these regular members, she gave me the assurance that I had a place there at the table that I could indeed learn what the issues were, that this wasn't a job that was out of the realm of possibility for anybody. That's right. And it's not painting herself as brightly as you might think. I mean, she knows how to organize. When you ran for ALA executive board, people knew Ann because she had talked to people. People knew Ann because she made good statements. And didn't you win again by one of the largest number of votes? It isn't luck. You plan where you're going to do. You plan what you're going to say. She's one of these people. She says, now, how do I do this?  And then she turns around and does it, and it works. Always amazes me. Well, you know, what's very interesting because I was really actually petrified when I ran for the ALA executive board. I was afraid somebody would ask me a hard question. But one of the other people who'd been on the executive board, a colleague of Gina, said, all you have to do is walk up to people and put out your hand and say, hi, I'm Ann Simons. I'm running for the ALA executive board. And that's what I did. I met every single person on council. Nobody ever asked me a hard question because they don't have any. So I got on the ALA executive board, and I almost missed the first meeting because they didn't tell me where it was. But I do remember sitting with Gina because she was just going off the board, and she told me everything I needed to know, except when the meeting was and where it started. We met in executive session our very first meeting, and the person, we were doing some IFLA nominations or something really. But we had all these resumes, people's resumes. And one of the people sitting across the table from me, Dr. Bob Stewart, who was wanting an IFLA position, had a resume. It was 34 pages long. And I'm going, whoa, what am I doing here? My resume, I could barely get it on one page at that time because, of course, I'd only ever had one job or two jobs. But when you get on the ALA executive board, again, I met another person like Regina, who decided I could be the treasurer of ALA. I didn't decide I was going to be the treasurer. It was our current then treasurer, Carla Stofel, who thought, I'll train this woman. She can be our treasurer. But when you get on the ALA executive board, what you find out is that any given minute, everybody on the board is running for president of ALA. All 12 people are running, except for the president and the past president and the president-elect. Everybody's running for president. And somewhere along the way, I decided, oh, I could do that, too. And I think one of the things, Gina will tell you that the odds of being president of ALA coming from a state with 208 ALA members, kind of zip. But from a one-person library.  Oh, thank you. She knows how to work the crowd. I learned it from you. She knows. Well, I always have three things to say to people. You know, when I go to key messages, I always have three things that I can say, and I say them over and over and over again, so that it seems like new stuff. But you ran a campaign and you ran a sensible campaign based on some issues and based on what, I mean, Anne thought, she thinks, which is a really nice thing. And you ran on issues and you ran on a program. And at least for me, one of the things that pleased me a lot is I had a good opponent, somebody who wasn't a close personal friend. And the thing that you find when you work in ALA is that you make a lot of friends. And you make a lot of friends that you keep for life. And I never wanted to run against somebody who was a really close personal friend. Staff may remember who that other candidate was. So we'll go on. We'll go on. But it was, I had a great, I had a great opponent. That's right. One of the issues that we all face right now, all of us, no matter where we work or in what library, is the internet. And all over the country, librarians and others are defending the fact that we don't want to filter. And we all need help and support in this issue. And often the intellectual freedom stance is hard to defend because I recall talking to my sister, who's a grandmother. She had seven children now. She has seven grandchildren. And one of my great nephews, every time he comes down to San Francisco, gets online at my sister's house and surfs. And surfs where you might expect a 15-year-old who was curious to surf.  And I say, well, Vic, there are lots of other places that he can find these photographs. And so she says, well, you shouldn't do that. Children shouldn't be allowed to do that. And she's a reasonable person. And the difficulty is that many people who want filtering are reasonable people and they have reasonable concerns about their children and about what happens to children. So, and the sexually explicit sites that kids can access, even though we all know they're only thumbnails, et cetera. So, and what's ALA doing to help us here? Everything. This has probably been one of the hardest things that ALA has had to deal with is the issue of what it is people want children to see or not see on the internet. And this is not a new issue because this goes back when you look at the number of book challenges that we've had every year over the last many years since the Office for Intellectual Freedom has been keeping statistics several hundred people. And we know that's just a tip in the bucket. Challenge what kids read. And generally it is kids. But the internet has really added a new dimension to this. And I think one of the problems that we have is that when you split the argument into the value of access to information over the value of protecting children, this is not an either or argument. And the way people want to set this up is that if you believe in access to information, then you don't believe in protecting children. Or if you believe in protecting children then you've got to limit access to information. And what we know is that that's not true. I mean, I think that librarians, as much as anybody care about children, they care about what children see, what they watch, what they do. And one of the ways we do that is by educating kids and educating parents. And so I think that we've been painted into a corner often as we don't protect children. What we have to do is recapture that language to say, yes, we do protect children and these are the ways that we do it. This is an argument that's not winnable. It's the kind of when did you stop beating your wife lately? And so we've had our three sound bites here and we've moved on to our next three sound bites and we're moving to our next three sound bites. But I can honestly say that things are getting better because I guess there's several reasons. We have a parent's corner on the ALA website. It's www.ala.org. And then just right up in the right hand corner you can click on parents. We all want kids to have a safe rewarding experience online. And we want parents to take the responsibility for that. In, you know, Gina going back to Gina's nephew, you know, people can do whatever they want in their home and in terms of filtering, I see nothing wrong with encouraging parents to filter in their home if that's the way they feel that they can best protect children. Interestingly enough, in this week's USA Today, I think it was Wednesday, yeah, Wednesday, in the technology section they actually rated filters for the home. Interesting. And I think that those are things, I mean I think every librarian should know about filters, they should know how they work, they should know what they do, what they do with it, come on. My paper is. They're somewhere in. My paper is. I was interested to see what kind of star ratings they gave to the filters. Come on, paper. But the most interesting thing that they said in this whole, oh, look, look, my paper's defective. Actually, it's not even here. I must have taken it out. The most effect, the thing that they said in this article, even talking about filtering in the home, is that the most effective filter is still the parent. Absolutely, no question. And so, when you talk about libraries, but when you move then to a public institution, particularly a public library, we know that the internet is protected by the First Amendment, so I think that we have to come up with other strategies. And one of them that ALA has come up with is, you know, certainly tips for keeping kids safe online. And the America Links Up campaign which we encourage libraries to do classes for parents and kids. And the good news to me is that the questions are turning around.  That's usually the question. That's the question. At ALA this last midwinter, the questions from the media were all exactly the same. Tell us how technology is changing the face of libraries. That's a better question. Which is a better question. You know, we're trying to move away and getting rid of the word use of the word filtering. How about web management? Hey, hey, sounds better than how about some sort of management for that anarchy that is the internet. Right, you know, and our three now, our three key soundbites are that people have the right to access what it is that they kids, and that includes children, what it is they need to live, work, learn in their communities, that these are local issues, that each local community gets to make the decisions about how the internet is managed and that libraries have internet access policies. Yes, and so, the LA City Library, LA Public Library has just recently, I meant to mention this last night, has recently determined that in their children's rooms, when they put up the web browser, that it will default to a search engine called Yehuligans, and another one whose name I can't remember, but only in the children's areas. Now this isn't filtering, it's just that they're using a specific search engine, and if the kid is savvy enough, and believe me, they probably all are, they can back right out and get out to where they want. What do you think about that as an approach? I think it's fine, and the kids can also go anywhere in the library, they won't use any other terminal. Right, and you know, I have no problem with any of that. I think where I have a problem is when the library, the library board, decides what it is that individual people in their community should and should not see. We, there has not been, you know, what's happening is that we are winning in the court of law, we're not winning in the court of public opinion. Yeah, the decision at Livermore, for instance, recently, this is the second dismissal of that suit, which we believe is going to go now to the state appellate court, and might possibly go as far as the Supreme Court. And quite frankly, because of the way the suit has drawn, it's so narrow, I believe the gist of it is that they have a right to be protected from sexually explicit information, and nobody thinks that the Constitution actually says that. And therefore, the argument that it's a constitutional issue has not been raised. So we'll have to see what happens as the Livermore case progresses. Well, and that was so different than the Loudon case. The Loudon case was, the library was sued by citizens of their own community called Mainstream Loudon because they were filtering. Now in Livermore, they were sued because they weren't filtering.  That's right. And isn't that fun? That's one of the joys of working with the public. The case that I'm really looking forward to is a case that involves children. We know that schools have more, that the courts are gonna allow schools more limitations than they are. But I work in a school district. We have 40 internet access terminals in my high school library. We're not filtering any of them because in schools, it's never gonna be appropriate, never for a high school kid to go look at www.hornyhousewives.com during a school day. Right, send them to the public library. Right, we'll have that, right. Okay, let's go on. National Library Week is, Alan, did you have a question? We have a mic because we're taping. So I bet you're gonna talk about the 700 plus great websites for kids, aren't you? Sure, I'll be glad to talk about it. I think the 700 plus great websites is a great site but actually that wasn't what I was gonna talk about but you should check it out because it's a great site for kids to use and it's a positive approach to the whole issue which I think is the best note for the whole thing. But I was real excited to find out about the search engines that actually have filters connected to them that you can choose to use. Only on the basis, and I guess I'm kind of asking for a legal opinion, that maybe some of these objections from the public would not have as firm a foot to stand on because you are in the position where you can choose a filter or not choose a filter right from the start and that parents then could be told that that is an appropriate thing for them to make a decision about with their kids. I'm just kind of asking whether you think that's important or not really. I do think it's important and I think that as technology changes, I think what we're gonna see are a lot of changes in technology and as technology changes, I guess it's my hope that where we get to is a place where you can walk into your public library, that the terminals are unfiltered and then you have a choice of what you wanna do. If you wanna hit the Christian Coalition filter on the touch screen or however you can hit that and your information's filtered. If you wanna use a search engine that's filtered, that's fine. I mean, we as the American Library Association, I think our whole mission is individual choice. If you want to limit those choices for yourself, that's fine. I think that the problems are gonna come in is what that means when you limit that access for kids. Or for others. For others. Right. Okay. Do you need affirmative parental permission for a 17 and a half year old to use the internet? All right, let's move on. Okay, good. National Library Week is coming up, April 11th to 17th. Now I've always wondered why we have it during National Income Tax Week. Ah. Before my time. I tried to change it but the date seemed immutable. What are the themes and plans this year for National Library Week in? Well, I'm really pleased to announce that one of the things that the president gets to do or doesn't get to do depending is help set the National Library Week theme. And the National Library Week theme this year is Read, Learn, Connect at the Library. Now, I'll tell you, last Saturday I was in Chicago. I packed a whole box of stuff for you. Buttons, decals, all sorts of things. And they didn't show up here in the box. The brochures came. The brochures came. And they are in the back. If any of you didn't get them, be sure to pick them up. But I think National Library Week, it's a good time to focus media attention on what you're doing in your library, the services you've had in the last year, the successes you've had, the programs. It's something that's celebrated all over the United States at a local level. It's also School Library Medium Month in April. So it's a good time to work with the schools. But Read, Learn, Connect at the library is the theme. Special plans, you'll find in the brochures. Lots of suggestions, lots of ideas. Suggestions, yeah. Okay, so I just wanna make sure everybody got them if they want them. What are you doing to celebrate National Library Week? What are we doing? I haven't got a clue at this moment. I'm sure Marcia can tell us what we're doing to celebrate National Library Week. I'm sure it's extensive. I'm sure there's a lot of things and I'm sure things are going on everywhere. Some people say, you know, why have a special week because we celebrate libraries every week of the year and every day? And I think that's a real part of my key message this year is that I like the celebrating part. I do too. I think it's really important to celebrate what we do and to celebrate each other. Okay, tell us a bit about what it's like to be ALA president. I remember, but maybe these folks would like to know what you think was the most fun, what was the most interesting, what do you find to be most difficult, and what do you think you're gonna have as a lasting accomplishment? Well, it's a lot of hard work. I'll tell you that. I mean, even being for almost 10 years on the ALA executive board and watching every president before me, I never believed them when they told me how much work it is. And I think a lot of it is, you know, the work that you do out representing the association but there's a lot of behind the scenes work too. And that's the part that you just don't, and now with email, I mean, in fact, I don't know how we ever operated without email because at least now the communication back is so easy but it also is, you know, I can't let a day go by that I don't do my email because there are hundreds of messages. And I get messages from all sorts of people. I got a message this week from a man in Pakistan telling me how excited he was to be coming to ALA annual conference in New Orleans. And would I please make the arrangements for his airline ticket? That's the kind of thing sometimes you get. That's what you get. And you did it, didn't you? You arranged for his tickets in his hotel. I asked the ALA staff to write him a letter saying, you know, it's just I wrote back and said please draft the letter that says thank you but no thank you. Fun things, I mean, really every president has highlights in their year. And you know, things you'll always remember. I think some of the things that I remember will be going to Paris to the American Library in Paris. They had a Gala Fund raising dinner with Gregory Peck. Yeah, and I got to sit at Gregory Peck's table. That was okay. I enjoyed that. A couple of weeks ago, I was on the Today Show and Katie was the Newbury Caldecott Awards. It was the announcement of the Newbury Caldecott Awards and what was so fun about that was that we were the second to the last segment just before the Groundhog. And because we were then essentially last, it went from Katie and the Newbury Caldecott to Matt and the Groundhog. They didn't kick us out of the studio. We got to stand there on the edge of the set and watch them do the Groundhog and watch them finish up the program. In fact, eventually we went from there to the Rosie O'Donnell Show because they gave everybody in the audience a copy of the Newbury and the Caldecott-winning books that day, which was really exciting. I happened not to have enough to do during ALA. That's what happens to dinosaurs. And I was in the room watching Rosie when they did that. I had no idea you were the audience. It was lots of fun. But it was really neat because she gave everybody a copy of both winners, which I think was great. I mean, those were certainly some of the highlights. One of the most interesting things I did was testify before the National Commission on Libraries and Information Sciences Services. And they had a hearing called the Internet, Kids in the Internet, the Promise and the Peril. And it was like sitting through an old-fashioned reconsideration hearing where the only thing they focused on was the peril of the internet. And practically by the end of the day, they were all taking the pledge. I believe in protecting children. And I believe in protecting children, too. But I think that our National Commission has to take up the same banner of the First Amendment and protecting access to information. I guess I found that interesting. Have they redone that? I understand they were redone. They're working on it. They are working on their brochure. And it actually came out more positive. The first version of it, the first draft that I saw anyhow, had librarians as one of the perils. Yeah, I had a pickup lunch with one of the commissioners who was showing me this. And I looked at that and said, where's this coming from? Librarians who don't have time to work with kids. Now, tell me, we're all busy. But when has a kid ever come to you? And a librarian has said to them, I'm sorry, I don't have time to work with you. Not very often, I hope. I work in a school district. We have a contract that says Other Duties as Assigned. That's in all your job descriptions. I think that probably the hardest thing about this job is the Other Duties as Assigned. You never know what they're going to be at midwinter, unfortunately, very early in the morning. One of our, the wives of one of our members called us and she says, Anne, this is Polly Marvin died last night. One of our members died at annual conference. Anne, the person she called was the ALI president. Mm-hmm. And that's what happens. And I think that, and Marvin, this is Marvin Skilkin from the Unabashed Librarian. And he's been on ALI counsel for many, many years, at least, I think he was the only permanent seat left. And he's a great guy, one of the guys who could come up and ask the seemingly simple question that has incredible ramifications. And he also led the fight to get booksellers to give libraries better discounts without a whole lot of support many years ago. So that's one of the things that happens when you're ALI president is you get the highs, but you also get the lows. And most people don't see the lows. Right, they don't, because they're all behind scenes. And you have to make the public presentation. Now, what I've warned Anne is that during the annuals, she has to really be careful because you smile so much your face hurts. You know, you wake up in the morning with a smile. And you end the day with the same smile on your face. And the day is from 6 AM to 1 AM. Yeah, usually. People think, Anne, that when you're ALI president, all you do is go to these wonderful dinners and meetings and chauffeurs drive you around. Not, not. You work here or whatever. But give us your best pitch, Anne, for coming to New Orleans this summer. I haven't told you what my greatest accomplishment was yet. Excuse me. OK. ALI Council passed the first new intellectual freedom policy since, I guess we revised the Library Bill of Rights in 1980. It's called Libraries in American Value. Everybody will get a copy in the June, July issue of American Libraries along with tip sheets on how to use this. And it's a 21st century intellectual freedom statement that's designed for the public, not for librarians. That's great. I've seen it in draft. And so I think we've just, you know, it's just been in draft form to now. But I hope that that's one of my accomplishments. And the other, I think, is the fact that we spend a year really celebrating the freedom to read. Good. You know, in the 30th anniversary of the Office for Intellectual Freedom. Annual conference, my best pitch. Yeah, give us a pitch. Why should we go? Well, first off, it's in New Orleans. And everybody loves it. Aside from the good food, why should we go? Gina remembers the time when the mayor of New Orleans had to come and convince ALI Council that New Orleans was a good place for us, that we were a good fit, because our members did not seem to want to go to New Orleans. Now they can't seem to want to stay away. New Orleans is a great convention center, convention city. And I think, like San Francisco, it's one of the few cities in the country that has some character. And I think that's why our members like to come to San Francisco, too. Any special programs you've got? Yeah. Colin Powell would be the opening general session speaker. We're having, instead of the all conference reception, we're going to have an end of the century scholarship bash, in which we raise money to ensure that there's a generation of librarians who follow those of us who have gray hair. And we're hoping to raise a lot of money. We're going to have world-class entertainment. We're hoping to have the Neville brothers that night. Great. Yeah, we're this far from signing the contract. We actually sold tickets at midwinter and not having the contract signed yet. It's like being a little bit pregnant by the end of conference. We were very pregnant. We still don't have the contract signed. But my president's program is going to be called the First Amendment Conversation. It's going to be similar to this. It's going to be with Kristi Hefner from Playboy Enterprises, the CEO of Playboy Enterprises, Nadine Strassen, president of the ACLU, and Bruce Ennis, who's argued more cases before the Supreme More First Amendment cases, before the Supreme Court than anybody else today living. Yeah, Bruce has been the judge's counsel for the freedom for the freedom. Yeah, he's been counsel for quite a while. And he also argued the CDA case before the Supreme Court. So good food, good networking, lots of people to see, lots of good programs. Lots of good programs. Sign up early. Don't miss. OK. I hear you're doing a book. I am doing a book. Tell me about it. This is the plug for the book. Coming out before annual conference. Tell us about it. It's called Speaking Out, Voices in Celebration of Intellectual Freedom. We kind of took a cut through the intellectual freedom community, asked people to pick a quote, and then tell us why it was important to them. But we also just took a very, very long list of celebrities, wrote to them just cold, and then said, you know, would you do something for our book? And we got back some very interesting contributions from Ed Asner, from Barney Frank, US Representative Barney Frank, Pat Schroeder. I don't have the list in front of me, but it's a nice mix of librarians and non-librarians. Great. Short essays, things that you can figure out how to use in your library. We'll be autographing at the ALA store, Sally Reed Nye, who edited the book. OK. Well, we're doing really well. You have a clock up there? Yeah, we got a clock, so we can check here. Let's hear from these people. Well, yeah. A frequent question that I get from the media, and I'm sure Ann does too, is what will happen to libraries in the 21st century? Do you still need books? Do you still need all that space? What will be the most important issues libraries will face? So Ann and I have decided that instead of telling you what we think, we'd like to hear what you think. So what do you guys think is going to be some of the most important issues of the 21st century? What's going to be hot as we move into the 21st century? This may not be a very exciting issue, but I think it's crucial for library services. And that's the whole question of changes in intellectual property and copyright. You may not know it or not, but there's a move afoot to revise the uniform commercial code to apply contract law instead of copyright law to electronic publications. Would you talk about this whole area, because I don't sure it's really realized the impact that it could have on library operations for all types of libraries? I think it's an incredibly complex issue. And absolutely right, it's one that comes to the top of everybody's list right now, is copyright, especially copyright in the digital age. Are we gonna have to pay per use, per packet? How is information, what does fair use mean in the digital environment? It's an incredibly complex subject. It's really not one I can talk about knowledgeably. And that's one thing I have learned is that as ALA president, you cannot talk about every single subject knowledgeably. ALA is involved, although I believe that in the discussion is represented. Along with the seven other US library associations, ARL, the Association of Research Libraries, the Special Libraries Association, we have a Digital Futures Coalition. We're certainly trying to impact legislation in this area. The publishers are trying to, and they have lots more money than we do. But I think the one thing that pleases me is that the ALA Washington office is at the table. We're very definitely at the table. We have our own lawyers, our intellectual property lawyers who are there trying to make sure that we're there and that the issues that the rights and the needs of people who use libraries are represented. Yes, because it could be incredibly, I mean it could really make an enormous change in the way people can access information and in the way libraries are able to provide it. So this is where having a proactive national organization with some cloud is really important to libraries throughout the country. That's what ALA does. That's right, what ALA does best actually. Any other hot topics people wanna talk about? Yeah. I just wanna bring it up. Literacy, helping the have-nots get access. Literacy, absolutely. In fact, ALA has identified its five key action areas for the beginning of the next century. Literacy is there, diversity is there, intellectual freedom, continuous learning, continuous and lifelong learning, access to information, equality and access to information. We just hired a new literacy officer at ALA, our first ever literacy officer. So clearly, and we're seeing that we're able to partner with big national corporations in the literacy effort and that's, in fact, in terms of priorities for the Fund for America's libraries and going out and raising money for programmatic issues, the Spectrum Minority Scholarship was one of our areas and literacy was another one. And I think literacy needs to encompass as well, computer literacy. Absolutely, all types of literacy. It has to be all types of literacy for all kinds of people. Adult literacy, children. Yes. This is probably a good way to segue into the demographic shifts, not only in the Bay Area but throughout our country. How will we take a more proactive rather than a reactive approach to the language needs? Because not everything is universally accepted in terms of English. And because of the shifts from the Asian Pacific Rim as well as the European needs and all throughout the world, how will we take a more proactive? Well, I think ALA has already started doing that in that this last year we entered into a partnership, a three-year partnership with FEEL, which is the for, let me just, my Spanish isn't that good, the Guadalajara Book Fair people. And we sponsored, between the two of us, we sponsored 200 people to librarians to go to the Guadalajara Book Fair. And I think this is one of the ways to see the materials, to be able to buy the materials on the spot, to have programs for librarians who went for them to be able to get the best out of the fair for their patrons. And it was very interesting because there were many librarians from the Bay Area who were there, who've been going for many years, who told the rest of us, bring lots of suitcases, bring lots of cash, get your director to give you cash so you can buy on the spot. But I think that Hispanic materials are just one of the languages. And I think that one of the ways that ALA, we have an ethnic materials roundtable, but I think one of the ways is that we are looking at these Book Fair programs, getting librarians to the source of the materials so that they can buy, so that collection development people can buy on the spot and talk to publishers who are publishing materials that people back your need. It's a continuing issue in cities like San Francisco. And in California and other Pacific Rim states, the school district in San Francisco, I believe, teaches in 140 or 150 different languages. And we buy in about, Ann, how many languages? We buy 45, 55 different languages? 35, and then maybe, I think, Tony told me it was, thank you, thank you. I know that children's was doing more. It's a lot of book fairs, but it's also what happens here, and I think this is part of what Virginia was leading up to, is what happens to the rest of the collection also, I mean your emphasis has to be, you need to provide the materials in the languages that people want to read, and that's in addition to all of the things we have always been doing. And that's one of the things I think, it's like everything is a value added. Don't stop anything you were doing, but start doing all these other things and do it with the same amount of money. Now, a lot of libraries are lucky and they have relatively good budgets, but those libraries who don't have good budgets are in a real bind. And I think it's a political issue as well as a social issue, and it's a thing that has to be dressed at the local level just as much as it does at the national level. Now I saw Laura over here, yeah. I want to ask you a question first. Do you remember what the theme of your presidency was? Yes, diversity. It was the challenge of diversity. And I think that one of the marks of a good ALI president is that that theme is just as hot, just as valid today as it was 12 years ago, 13 years ago when Gina was president. And I think that those are issues that we're definitely working on. We must address. Jackie. Yes, I'd like to bring up the issue or go back to the issue of literacy and focus in on information literacy, especially since you are a school librarian. And that is information literacy is one thing that really differentiates school libraries and their mission versus other libraries yet the public doesn't know it. In California, I know that there's legislation, once again, encouraging partnerships or joint use facilities between public and school libraries. But a lot of that is because they don't understand the difference of the missions. And although there's a lot of good reasons to combine, I think the whole issue of information literacy could be brought further into the public's mind by the ALI and I wanted to hear a few words about that. I mean, I think as a school librarian, our job is to graduate kids who know how to be critical thinkers. And I think that's the most important thing that we can do in an information age. I've worked in a community where we've had joint public school libraries. I don't think they, I mean, unless you can convince me, I haven't seen them work well. I think a lot has to do with the planning and the siting and how entrances and exits are done. And frankly, it's my opinion that if a school and a public library shares space, the public library should manage it. Mine too, and that's absolutely. And I have a very good reason for that. And that is because the material that we have in a public library has a greater span of interest than the material that a school library will have. And it's very important that a public library does not become restricted to the educational level in the school. And I think we have one more question in the back. Is that right, Laura? And this will have to be our last one, I'm sorry. Thanks to the ALS International Relations Roundtable, Travel Grant that I got last year to go to the Zimbabwe International Book Fair and also the support that I got from my library. I was really very delighted to be at the book fair and probably I was the only American librarian at the book fair. And I want to ask you, Ms. Simmons, what would ALA do to encourage American librarians to go to the Zimbabwe Book Fair? It's really a great book fair and there are really very good books. And also to encourage American librarians to buy books published in Africa. It would support African publishers and also we can have really very good books that are not available in any of the distribution channels here in the States. I'm glad you asked that question because ALA has entered into the same kind of partnership with the Zimbabwe Book Fair that we have with the Guadalajara Book Fair. And we're taking people back again this year. If you go to ALA's website, they are now seeking applications for people to go to Zimbabwe Book Fair. They're providing free registration. They're providing money, part of the money toward airfare. And so I think that we're looking at these type of partnerships with many different areas of the world where there are book fairs and librarians can find value in them. Okay, good. Is there anything you'd like to add in closing in? Yes, I hope you'll all, if you're not a member of ALA, I hope you'll consider joining. ALA has a lot to offer. Whether you go to conferences, whether you don't, whether you use our website and be sure to go to www.ala.org. There's always something there. There are many listservs that you can join. That's right. There's 89 active listservs. So if you don't get enough email. I get enough email. I do too. Anna, I want to thank you for coming. We really are honored to have you here with us today. Thank you. It's a delight to be here. And thank you all for coming. And I'll send stuff.