Alright, thanks for staying with us now. Nigeria's 2023 general elections, of course, which held on the 25th of February, as on Saturday, and some places the voting extended to Sunday 26th of February had, of course, I mean, everybody would know that had some glitches, right? The INEC chairman Yakubu Muhammad declared Tinibu as the president-elect, you know, and Ashwajju, he got some votes of over 8 million to defeat a TIKO that had about over 6.9 and PTOB following behind with 6.1 million votes. And the result of the 2023 election vis-a-vis the various anomalies witnessed by the citizens within the few days, or within few days now, has left a lot of mixed reactions. So we're asking what are your thoughts on the INEC, INEC conduction of this particular elections and generally what you think about the 2023 general elections. That's the question for tonight, 2023 has come upon us, and it has happened. Alright, so let's hear your thoughts, remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to<PHONE_NUMBER>, you can also tweet at us at weishuafqa1 with the hashtag weishu. Quickly, ladies, I just want to hear two minutes because I think our guest is with us already on standby. Jennifer, we already heard your thoughts yesterday, so let me just come to EC and Glory. What are your thoughts generally on the 2023 elections, you know, what are your thoughts on INEC? Quickly. EC, did we lose your audio? EC, we can hear you. Can you hear me? Can you unmute yourself if you're muted or something? Go ahead. So I gave an insight into how I really felt about it and when I even talked to other people about it, they actually expressed the same thing I was actually feeling. I felt that the electoral process could have been done in a better way, but what we experienced was a total disregard for the electoral process, a total disregard for the citizens that actually came out to participate and cast their vote. And we also experienced a total disregard for individuals who were disenfranchised in the electoral process as well. So yes, it could have been conducted in a better way from the moment we casted our vote to the moment we actually had it uploaded to the process, the whole process, the whole fiasco of the election. We had a situation whereby we had individuals who were hurt in the process. So I felt it was a total failure as far as I was concerned. What's your thought now bringing our guest? So I promised myself, like, I will not talk a lot about this because whenever I, from when the votes were casted on Saturday and the way the whole everything went turned out was really, really discouraging, a lot of emotions for me. And it was a total mess, to be honest. So many disregard on the side of INEG, they disregarded many things, their promises and it was a total mess. Technically, operationally, everything. So I had high hopes for this 2023 election because there was just this constant reminder that it's going to be free and fair and very transparent. And I think that's what most Nigerians held on to vote. There were so many first time voters because for once they believed that their votes were going to count for something. And to know that some of them after going through the struggle of even getting their PVC's, so many people struggled a lot to get their PVC, but we need to go all the way just to get it. And at the end of the day, most of them did not even vote or most of them were disenfranchised. Some of them were hurt. And the fact that citizens talked about it over and over international bodies were saying, OK, and INEG just kept a deaf ear. It's it's like it's so I don't know what to say or to be honest. I don't know what to say. But it's really disappointing. Bringing our guest David Houdain is an investigative journalist and twenty twenty three distinguished James Curry fellow at the University of Cambridge Center of African Studies. He's a broadcaster whose work has appeared on CNN, Al Jazeera. The Africa Report, Washington Post, his work as a satireist on the other news. My just answer to Daily Show has featured in New York New Yorker magazine and in Netflix documentary Larry Charles, Dangerous World of Comedy. And I think David Houdain has joined us via Zoom. Thank you so much, David, for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me. OK, we have been shouting twenty three, twenty three. Road to twenty three, twenty three has come and it has gone. I'm February 25th. First of all, I want to hear your thoughts on just the general overview. If you were to rate INEC, how would you rate the elections for the twenty twenty three presidential elections that was held on Saturday? So if first of all, I'm going to try as much as possible to be to be as balanced as I can be, because obviously I'm not trying to get you taken off air or find five million there. So bear with me. Um, if there is such a thing as a negative score, something below zero to give to INEC, that would be what I would call them. Because merely giving them a low score would be to indicate that maybe they tried, but it wasn't good enough. That was not the case here. This was a case that this was an election that was actively stolen. That was actively manipulated. And we saw it happen in real time. I have never seen anything like this before where an election is going on. And obviously because of the the the Electoral Amendment Act, twenty twenty two and the the diverse the provision for the diverse system that was made and the fact that party agents get to take photos of the results sheet. So we could actually see in real time what was happening and what direction the vote was going. And then, in my opinion, the most important part of the electoral act, the part which went to court several times, we stated that the results must be transmitted electronically directly from the polling units via the beavers to the central INEC server. All of a sudden, that became optional. So we're playing a game and in the middle of the game, the rules were changed and the goalposts were shifted. I've never seen where that happens before. I don't understand it. And after that has happened and there was this incredible shift of voting patterns, including, you know, someone winning 80,000 people, winning 80,000 votes in a single local government, while, you know, none of the other parties managed above 4,000. And this is a state which historically has always voted the opposite way. And all of a sudden and there were all these videos coming out, authenticated videos coming out, showing all manner of thought. Glory, all manner of acts of violence. You have people going to polling booths and telling people if they don't vote a certain party, they vote any Igbo, well, made them vote here. And we know the person who said that and that person is still walking around the free man and was celebrating this morning that his candidate has been declared the winner, apparently. I don't know how this makes any sense. There is nobody I've engaged with over here in London who is monitoring the situation. Who has anything positive to say about this? In fact, the sense that I got from the people that have been interacting with over the past few days was that they fully expected the INEC chairman, Yaqubu Mahmood, to at least pause the announcement process and, you know, announce some sort of palliative measures. Maybe there should be a recount, something should be done because clearly this vote was completely compromised. Clearly it was very obvious. We had videos from inside a coalition centre where you could see people altering vote figures inside the coalition centre. This, you know, previously we've had stories about how INEC is compromised. This person played that person. This time around, we saw everything in 4K. We had, there was a recorded and authenticated video, by the way, because the audio, by the way, because the person in the audio has come out and admitted that he was the one. Someone boasting, an INEC contractor boasting that his boss, who was apparently declared winner of the INEC, paid $170 million to the INEC chair. And that time he's going to win the election boasting loudly. And all these are out in the open. And somehow, I missed all of this. INEC went out at 4 a.m. in the dead of the night when everyone was asleep and announced somebody as a winner. How does this make any sense? Are we even pretending to practice democracy as a system of government anymore? Because the basic premise of democracy is that it's a government of people for the group, which means the people choose their own leadership. The people made a choice on Saturday. They were voting a certain way. They voted for a certain candidate. And then some other person said, no, regardless of what the people say, that doesn't have anything to do with me. I'm not interested. I'm going to take what the people said, throw it away, and they write my own thing and impose myself on to the people. How is that a democracy? How is that democratic? And I'll just make it close with this, that the slippery slope here, right, the big issue here is not that some is not even that somebody who has no business in that office is in that office. Right. Yes, he has no business in that office, but that's not even the main issue here. The main issue is that the precedence that has been established here is that there does not need to be any respect, any any pretence of respect for the democratic process, for the electoral process. This Pandora's box that has been opened now, if somehow maybe the court system or whoever has the power to stop this now doesn't exercise that power. What it means is that the next time around or even going forward beyond that, this base that has been established that since apparently this is what an acceptable election looks like in Nigeria, then the next that anyone who wants to win power in Nigeria now knows that the secret is not organizing at the grassroots level. It's not canvassing for votes. It's not making people believe in you the way, you know, a certain candidate did and the majority of people warmed up to that. No, that's not how you win elections in Nigeria. How you win elections in Nigeria is by deploying violence, full stop, nothing more. And the precedence that that has created the problems that are going to be waiting for us in front. I don't think the people who think that they that they've won now understand the kind of problems they've created for themselves going forward because this is going to consume all of us. Wow. So, David, I hear you loud and clear and, you know, because we have drawn so much on what went wrong, right? And if ever there was going to be a solution to some of these anomalies that happened, right? Do you think going to because for the INEC chair to just say it's flippant, like go to court, the president has also come out to give a statement to say that if you have a problem with the way the elections went, go to court. It's almost like, no, we already have those people in our pockets. So go and try your luck. That's that's how we're reading the process. And like you rightly said, you know, it's one thing for you to celebrate a victory now, but what you what you have just done is that you have told the generations to come that they have no business doing anything the right way. Right. That's what they have said. As far as I am concerned, I feel so pained, not even for myself, for my children, for the other children that are growing and they are watching us do what we're doing now. Because what you have said is that Nigeria is a lawless place that even if they set some rules and regulation, don't follow you be fine.   That is, you know, so and I see play out and. I don't even know how to express how I feel. I am not about any political party. I'm about the integrity of the process, right? And as far as I'm concerned, I make failed that integrity test. So what would a solution look like for a country where they don't even respect the rules that they wrote? And you're not telling us to go back to those judiciary. How would that play out? So I'm not I'm similarly not convinced that the judiciary is going to do the job that they're supposed to do. I mean, this is the same judiciary where I believe it was in most states when there was there was a there was an election. There was a post-election tribunal before it. And somehow the candidates who came forth in the election was pronounced governor, right? And which has created a never ending crisis for a most state because that governor is an illegitimate governor. He can't govern the state. He doesn't even live in a most state. That state is ungovernable to him. We who are celebrating victory don't seem to understand that Nigeria is going to become an ungovernable space for somebody who imposes himself on it and it's going to be bad for all of us. Now, what the judiciary is supposed to do, obviously, is basically order a revolt, right? Not even a recount, a revolt, right? Because that entire election should be rolled up and thrown into the dustbin.  That was a display of tomfoolery, a show of shame. That's what the judiciary should do. However, we know that the judiciary in Nigeria has not exactly covered itself with glory. This was the same judiciary that I believe it was sent into. I met Lawan, who didn't take part in his party's primaries, who was awarded his party's tickets also by the same judiciary. Nigeria is a place where the judiciary is very multi-partial. The corruption of the country is famed for. If you have enough money or enough influence or enough access, you can get anything you want with the same judiciary. So that's the issue now. So from my mind to my mind, my reading of the situation tells me that there are only two viable options for going forward now. Those two viable options, I can't decide which of them is worse because they are both two very bad options. The first option would be for basically the international community as one to denounce these results. I found it very instructive that, despite INAG having announced this thing as far back as 4 a.m., to the best of my knowledge, no significant country or representative of any country so far has actually congratulated the supposed president-elect to date. I found that very instructive, and that saves the whole lot. If the international community were to come together as one to denounce this election and to state that this is an illegitimate victory and that this needs to be redone, I believe the sheer amount of diplomatic pressure on Nigeria would force Nigeria to do the right thing. However, that's very unlikely because, again, we're just not that important to the world in general. The second option, which I'm not going to mention on live TV, but I'm sure we know what that option is. I don't think anybody wants that either because that would probably end up being worse for everyone in the long run. So all I just like, I cannot see how this can possibly end well. And to my mind, I feel as if the decision to go ahead with an announcement at 4 a.m. Someday, that thing is going to be written about in history books as some sort of inflection points in the modern story of Nigeria and not for good reasons. OK, let's go in the break.  Let's just go on a very short break. We'll be right back. Stay with us. All right, thanks for staying with us. Now, if you just tuned in, we're discussing the 2023 general elections and INEC, of course, and we still have with us David, when they remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 08-1-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at Wayshaw Africa, one with the hashtag Wayshaw. Easy, over to you. You had a question. All right. Hi, David, my question is let me start with a premise, basically. We have the emotions of Nigerians currently is already running high, basically. And we are all should I say I won't put the word hopeless, but we are close to being hopeless, basically, right now. Look at while saying something about the integrity of the process being compromised, basically by INEC. So let's look at it from the accountability perspective. Do you think that we as Nigerians could actually hold INEC accountable? How do we bring them? Or how do we make INEC accountable for what has happened during the last election? The only way to do that would be for some sort of organic, spontaneous, national, nationwide protest to take place, because at this point, only direct action will work. However, clearly that direct action isn't going to work for a number of reasons, not least of which is that the the popular candidates who, you know, as any anyone who has any sort of understanding of data, I would tell you, should have won the election or did win the election for he had stolen from him. That kind of himself hasn't come out to say anything. So actually issued a statement once there was a declaration of the president-elect. He issued a statement. Yes, but yeah, I mean, he has not come out to say anything substantial or anything that would energize his support base. But David, David, I see now this is where I want to beg the Nigerian youth. We've tried protests in the past. It's not going to work for somebody who doesn't respect the rule of law. They don't have values for human lives.  OK, but what I've observed is that the energy has fallen. The energy has definitely flagged. There has been there's been a loss of spirits and a lot of this is down to the fact that the candidate himself has not come out to speak.   I did try to reach out funny enough on Sunday. And what I was basically told was, well, you know, when the results are announced, I'll say something. But so far, that hasn't really materialized, you know, I think. So if there is to be some sort of a reckoning for the independent National Electoral Commission, it will have to come from young Nigerians themselves demanding for this to take place. But that isn't happening. And I can't entirely blame them because you can imagine if for the past year of your life, you've been building up to this event. As you as you mentioned earlier, they struggle to get the PVC. That was that was that was another saga in itself. And millions of people were already were already disenfranchised that way. There was already pre-vote rigging that way because PVC is from certain parts of the country which are strong, which are thought to be strongholds of certain people were not delivered. And then you were seeing PVC is turning up in forests and in drains and getting burnt and also such an elegance. And then the people who got past that that whole, you know, drama and still managed to get hold of the PVC then had to come out on it. First had to find out which, you know, whether the PVC were even valid to vote on the day because in some cases they were transferred to polling units that they weren't even aware of. Some found out on the day of the election, right? They got past that and then on the day of the election, they had to be brave enough to come out knowing that there was going to be violence and thugry and to defend their votes. They still came out. And after all of that, they made sure they voted, right? And they voted and they witted to the end. They thought they were protecting their votes. They saw the results sheets. They were celebrating, right? I was celebrating. We were all celebrating when we saw these results. She's coming in that fight, you know, regardless of whether it's even our preferred candidates or not that is winning. Just the fact of this being an electoral exercise and it being apparently so transparent. And we are actually taking part in this and we are all coming together as a collective. We all felt this sense of ownership of our country for the first time. And then out of nowhere, the old guard comes in and says, you young people think you own this country. No, you don't. We do. And it basically takes it that it was so cartoonish. So I can understand why a large number of the youth population seems to be unwilling to really engage anymore. And the usual suspects from the camp of who have taken over the internet space now and are floating all sorts of kites. OK, the election has come and gone. We all need to move on, blah, blah, blah. I think Kyrie Fahemi came out and said he noted the idea of forming a government of national unity, which is the cruisest thing I've ever seen to an admittance that, hey, we didn't win this election, but let's just try and pacify you. Because that's the best deal on the table. It's also farcical. So to be honest, I think the ball really is in Peter Albee's court. And I mean, if he's watching this, it's not even going to happen. I don't think this election, and guess what, David? And I think it would be nice at this point to correct something. Because people think that this election was about Peter Albee. Trust me, it would have been anybody on that ballot, right? It was never about Peter Albee as a person. Genocide, it was just about Nigerian people expressing what's he called their frustration on the kind of leadership that they've had over the years. So it could have been whoever on that ballot box, nobody cared. It was never about the Peter Albee. It was about Nigerians taking charge of their country back, right? It was not about Peter Albee. But let me come to Gloria and I'll come to you, Jennifer. So, David, I just want to ask, do you think there is possibility of a rerun if the candidates go to court? Do you think there's any possibility of a rerun? There's always a possibility. What we should be worried about is probability. Possibility always exists. But in Nigeria, is it probable? That's what we don't know. Because, as I said, the judiciary hasn't covered itself with glory in the past. So if we're going by past precedents, has the Nigerian judiciary ever stood up to a Nigerian head of state before? Or to a head of state to be before? I don't think that has ever happened before. Certainly not in the Fourth Republic. There's simply no precedent for it here. So if we're going by precedent and also going by the fact that there are people who are currently on the Supreme Court who are quite friendly to the supposed, you know, the purported winner of the election, or the person who was declared winner of the election. So there is everything to suggest that, yes, there will be a court process. And in the face of all the overwhelming evidence that will be presented, because there will be, there is overwhelming evidence that will be presented. I have seen some of this personally in my own two eyes. But in the face of all of this, we know how Nigerian. You know, that process can take four years, though. It can take a couple years. No, actually, it won't. It won't because under the electoral amendment act. How do you follow the law that they were... David, you are sounding like there was a law in this election. They did not follow it. Is it this order when they will follow? It's specified that before May 29, before the swearing-in, any post-election tribunal has to be concluded. It's specified. Was it not specified if the INEC, wait now, was it not specified in the INEC Act that a result must be transmitted at polling units? Was it not specified? It was. Was it not clearly specified that if they don't transmit the result, they are not those elections, or cancel those polling units? To be honest, this is one of those situations where I don't really have anything to say, because it almost sounds like I'm defending INEC and it makes me look really foolish because actually, what you're saying is true. They shifted the go-posts in the middle of the game, so I don't know what to tell you. I get where you're coming from, and I don't think you sound anyhow talking like this, because a lot of people are currently very dejected and sad, and they've just accepted their faith. And then the people who still have a little bit of hope keep saying, oh yeah, we can take it to court. We can rally people up and say, oh, we can accept this result, and something can be done about it, which is totally okay, because people want to believe in something. They want to believe that there is a good somewhere that the government or even the judiciary can do something. They can step in and make a change. They can step in and say something and it will happen. But looking at Nigerian's history, and I mean, looking at this particular election, for example, it's quite shocking. And there are people who have, they just said, you know what, there's no hope anymore, because if something like this can happen in real time on live TV and we can see it happen, then there is no hope, nothing can happen. And honestly, I don't know what we can do as citizens. I don't know where we stand. I don't know what action we need to take, but we can only hope for the best.  And honestly, how many people can run and leave their country? I honestly don't want to leave my country because I know how tough it is out there. Even with people who are able to live, we see the lives that they live. Social media just makes it look really interesting and really nice. But the honest truth is that's not the reality of things for a lot of people. People want to come back home. People miss their families. They want to be here. But with the way it is right now, it's like there is no hope anymore. And I'm not lost hopeful. To be honest, I woke up this morning and I heard the news. I just, I wanted to be sad, but I just smiled. And I said, no, I'm not going to lose hope. I mean, we still have up until May 29th. Yeah. Something can be done. Yeah, you know. Let me just debunk a little thing you just said in terms of people saying that there is no other place that they can actually go to.  So you can imagine the level of disregard and demoralization in that individual for the system, for INEC, for Nigeria currently. It's abysmal. David. Like doing. David left us. I'm here. Don't leave us. David is pitch-less. So what's the way forward? I don't think people are demoralized. I think it has even further angered people to want to go out at much levels to go out for the governorship seats, right? But again, I've always said to people that if you understand this game is a psychological game. So they would rather sacrifice certain states to get central power because central power in Nigeria is everything, right? But if you had one thing to say, right? Because maybe, I'm seeing some people, I mean, you talked about international communities. Do we really have a chance? Because I've seen petitions flying all over the place. People are saying, oh, let's sign petition against INEC chairman. Do you think, you know, if we want to really hold them by the jugular, those are the kinds of protests that we're looking forward to doing? Or should we just keep quiet and watch this thing play out? So the reason I said that local protests is pretty much the only thing that will have an effect is that the international community isn't going to take any action. Let me be clear about something. They are very well aware of everything that happened on Saturday. And they know that this was a stolen election. They know that Bola Metin would not win that election. They are very well aware. And it will not make any difference to them. They will congratulate him eventually and they will relate to him. They will send their ambassadors to present their credentials to him. And they do it all the time. And the reason they're going to do this is because, and I know this based on a conversation I had with someone from the EU mission to Nigeria a couple of years ago. And I never forgot this conversation because it encapsulated the way that the Western world thinks of Nigeria. So he basically said that, look, because I asked him that in the aftermath of end stars and the massacres that happened, why didn't you guys do anything? Why were you letting Bari fly into your countries freely? There was no pushback whatsoever. You didn't even acknowledge our plight. Those of us who had to flee the country, we just sort of left us in a lurch. What is going on? And what the guy said was, look, our most important priority when engaging with Nigeria is to maintain stability. What we absolutely do not want under any circumstances is two or three million new illegal migrants showing up on the shores of Ampedusa in southern Italy or Greece or the Grand Canary in Spain. That's what the priority is. So if you can maintain stability, i.e., the status quo, then that's fine from the Western point of view. Because if you overwhelm the EU with immigration that it cannot sustain, the EU collapses, that basically alters the entire power balance of the world. Because if the EU collapses, then you have issues with NATO. Then that alters the power balance of the world in favor of Russia and China. The North Korea is in there somewhere. So basically, from their point of view, maintaining Africa as a stable entity is the number one priority. And unfortunately, what their definition of stability means is that if the person who is in charge, regardless of how terrible that person is, as long as that person is able to maintain some semblance of statehood and the state does not completely fail, they consider that to be stability. And if there is anything which might lead to some sort of, maybe something that will shake up the established order, something which might lead to a better outcome, but in the interim, there will be some chaos, they are going to do everything that they can to ensure that that chaos doesn't happen. Up to and including arming the government that wants to shoot down its citizens, they will happily do it. This is what this guy said. So from their point of view now, if there is any sort of engagement with the internet, I've seen people like the former ex-president, Ulicia Gombasangio, who as you know, is very well connected internationally, come out and make this sort of presidential sounding speech, gave a press briefing, released a statement and all of that. And obviously, if you know how these things work and if you know Basangio as an operator, you know that he wasn't speaking to Buhari or speaking to the Nigerian people. He was speaking to the foreign community. That was a performance that he put on. He was signaling that, hey, you guys need to put pressure on these people, but they didn't put any pressure. It didn't work. And from what I can tell, they're not going to do anything because from their point of view, well, you know, Nigerian youth having hit the streets, they are monitoring the situation carefully. But from what you can see, well, it seems like they are going to accept this. Okay, that's fine. We'll manage it. You know, it's not ideal, but we'll manage it because the alternative then from their point of view will be to shake up something that isn't, you know, it's not broken. You want to fix it, you know? So just look at it as it is. So no, they're not going to do anything. So if anyone is going to save us, it will have to be us. How that is going to happen, I don't know. How that is going to happen, we don't know yet. Quickly, let's take comments quickly. Okay, so I have to comment here. The first one says, Tinibu is the INEC officer and the chairman itself. Then the second comment goes, good evening my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying, hashtag ways. INEC and the 2023 general election. Type in this comment now, I am heartbroken and devastated that someone who does not deserve to win an election is the collect winner. I see it today as Black Wednesday and I don't think I can ever forget today. If this is how our election is being conducted, I am sorry that I may end up not voting on the 11th of March, please know. I want to seize this opportunity to thank the INEC chairman and those that are involved for a successful falsification of results and rigging. They deserve a gold medal and what cup for this. Sister Uwa are my other beautiful sisters in the studio. I am the saddest man on this planet for now. Millions of Nigerians are not happy and this is highly unacceptable. I slept last night and woke up this morning and received this bombshell. My name is Daniel Illo, ways regular fan. Thank you Daniel, go ahead Isi quickly and Lori. All right, my comment goes first, good evening to the ways crew. I congratulate INEC and the president elect on the eventual climax and hope lessons have been learned. His name is Wale Aduroja, Aduroja, yes. Thank you, Lori. This is from James Yoube. He says, I want Labour Party and PDP to urge the international communities to condemn the outcome of the election. And this is from gift of voice. She says, greetings everyone. The current situation in Nigeria is disheartening and disappointing. I agree with your guest that said that the judiciary system is not trustworthy and has zero integrity. I pray for God's intervention and that justice would prevail and reign in Nigeria. David, would have to bring you back because this conversation definitely, the marathon just started. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon. Anyone that understands court cases in Nigeria, you know that it's not a, and that your May 29th to now walk. But hey, we'll just keep it, leave it here, but we'd hope to bring you back, you know, as much as often as we can to just keep the conversation going. And like you rightly said, the morale is dropping, but if we keep the conversation on the table, we would definitely have a good outcome for this. All right, so thank you so much for watching and before we go, and sure, thank you, ladies. Thank you, David. Follow us across all our social media platforms that way so Africa can interact with us further and drop a comment. And more importantly, follow all our engagements on social media, like, share and invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation. If you missed our quote today, can I find that quote quickly from Mahatma Gandhi? It says, truth never damages a cause that is just, right? Once there is truth, that cause that is just will be secured, it can never be damaged. So all we're seeking for is integrity and truth in this process of our elections. Everything we do in Nigeria, let's just start to add integrity as an ingredient. We'll see you guys live at 8 p.m. tomorrow. Tomorrow is a time for calling. Some people kept calling the line, tomorrow you can call into the show and we'll take your calls. See you guys, thank you.


Many different things. I was in construction. I was a student for many years. I had my own business. My name's Joe Kovar. I'm a constable of the Vancouver Police Department. I've been a constable for three years. I came over from the Surrey RCMP. So a few of the mentors I have in Vancouver Police, obviously my teammates, they're a great inspiration to me. And they definitely have guided me along the way since I came over. Yeah, I believe I grew a lot. I feel like I matured a lot. The job demands that. Experiencing the things that we do, you grow up and you learn a lot from those interactions.


Welcome to All Hands Update. I'm Petty Officer Tony Rosa. U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Harry Harris Jr. has been nominated to lead U.S. Pacific Command. As a Fleet Commander, Harris understands how a fiscal budget can impact the fleet. We were sequestered in 2013 and we're still coming out of the burden to our maintenance of ships and aircraft in our training of personnel, particularly our pilots. If we wait until 21, I think it'll be too late. I believe by then we'll be down to maybe 250 ships. He also emphasized the importance of a forward naval presence. Forward presence matters. And having forces, whether they're, in my case today, naval forces or if confirmed, the Joint Force, they're in the Western Pacific matters. It matters on a fundamental level. Harris must be confirmed by the Senate before he can succeed the current head of PAYCOM.


I have a short review on Selena and Yolanda part two room 158 is the title of the 60 minute part two. And in what was a two hour interesting part one in regards to opening up the intrigue of shoddy police work. Dark figures from Selena's family which I don't deny. Part two is a is completely completely just selfish self-implods. It positions the cell of our family with all due respect as their victims and they're crying over the death of their friends Selena and their aunt. I did that it just you know you guys got to move on and you guys got to not do this documentary. That was the fundamental problem I had with this is that this family is putting themselves out there for the first time publicly for what. And from what I saw in this part one and two for nada for nada. OK, there was sure there was there was claims that Sal Devar was beat up. It's debatable. We in it's a theory that that it was a hit order from from Abraham Quintanilla. And later on we find out it's the doctor who he had who Selena had an affair with. Now there was a letter that came out in 2012 from the gentleman that the doctor hired in Spanish and he wrote to Yolanda Sal Devar. Again, it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter.  Sure. Sure. Of course. Right. I'm going to put some butter cake there. Boom. That'll do it. I don't deny that. I don't deny that. But at the end of the day, she just she could have anyone could have walked away, walked away. You clean. You clean. No matter how much Selena doth protest too much because Selena did protest like stay with me. Stay with me. Let's keep working on this. Let's keep making it happen. Not. It doesn't matter.  That's it. That's it. So there's that. And then the fact that, you know, you killed your best friend. You killed your best friend in the back. You shot her in the back. And it wasn't until the very end of part two that Yolanda said the words. I killed her. And you did. And that's it. Punto final case closed. Are you eligible for parole next year? Yes, you are. And they leaned heavily into part two heavily into that. Because they were so concerned about the court of public opinion. Well, let me just tell you right now, the court of public opinion is never going to change on this. I'm sorry. Right. I feel for the relatives. Not for Yolanda. If she can find. She believes that she's going to heaven and she's going to see Selena in the future in heaven. God bless her. That's between her and God and no one else. Who am I, right? Who am I? However, what I saw from this, this documentary had, there is no, no, no reason for this thing to have been produced other than clicks. Hey, you got me. You got a lot of us. You did your job boxing channel. Other than that, it's a pretty disgusting documentary. And listen, no one's an angel from, from the Nia family to, you know, all, all these people involved. But at the end of the day, someone, someone is not with us that would have been only in her early fifties that would have shot the stratosphere. And this person is still behind bars and they leaned heavily into that. So yeah, that's my, that's my take. I, I wouldn't watch this. I can't recommend it. I can't remake it. Is it intriguing the first part? Sure. But is it necessary? No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.


Identify keywords and phrases for your information search, a short video tutorial. In this video, we'll discuss extracting key concepts from your research question or thesis, as well as deriving a viable collection of key terms and short phrases to get you started in your quest for research resources. At this point, you should already have a research question in mind. If you haven't already, go ahead and pause this video now to write your question or thesis down. You got it? Great! We'll be relying on this to get us started on this very fundamental stage of your research journey. Now that you've written your research question or thesis out, read it back to yourself. I like to read it out loud. As you're reading, think about and write down the key issues or concepts. I have this very early concept of a research thesis as an example. Many people do not know who James P. Johnson is. In those who do, more often know of Johnson as a jazz pianist, not as a classical music composer and performer. This limited understanding of the full breadth of Johnson's skill and talent persists today due to fundamentally biased cultural expectations about race, time, and musical genre. So now, we need to find a way to get some research terms out of this very large thesis statement. We essentially need to distill this broad thesis statement into a few core concepts. In this example, we have James P. Johnson, racial bias, musical genre, and time as our four core concepts. Alright, so let's focus this a little bit. It's time to take these broad concepts and break them out into a collection of very specific keywords and their synonyms. Essentially, we're trying to think about as many terms as we possibly can to say essentially the same thing. Okay, so let's take a look at this one concept at a time. James P. Johnson is obviously a search term as well as a concept. We can also add the term biography next to his name. Our concept of racial bias can be broken down into race, racism, and racist. Musical genre is of course about music, but more specifically, it's about classical music, art music, jazz, and ragtime. Our final concept of time is defined by the context of our topic, which in this case is the 20th century. Alright, at this point, I just want to pause for a moment to remind you that research is a process. If your first collection of search terms didn't go so well, that is completely normal. Just go back and see if you can shorten any words, identify any new keywords or synonyms, or use them in different combinations. Once you start finding viable resources, use the abstracts, table of contents, and subject headings to identify additional keywords to use in new searches. Finally, as you begin to dig into your topic and learn more about it, you'll undoubtedly discover new terms and ways of describing the issues. Always go back and try a new search with your new found knowledge and understanding to reveal resources potentially missed in your earlier work. Essentially, just be persistent and creative and you will get it. Thank you so much for spending time with us on this tutorial. Don't hesitate to connect with us if you still have questions using any of the options you see on the right side of your screen. You can also schedule a consultation with a research specialist by following the URL on your screen. Thank you and good luck on your research.


There's no need to change your code. There's no need to migrate. MightyMeld is really, we think of it as a dev tool. It works on your existing code base the way it is right now. And we work on basically every way you can build a React app. MightyMeld plugs in very easily. Hi, this is your host, Parthia, and welcome to here for Let's Talk. And today we have with us Steven Skolny, CEO and co-founder of MightyMeld. Steven, it's great to have you on the show. Hey, thanks so much. Glad to be here. It's my pleasure to host you today. And this is the first time we're talking. And as before the interview, discuss the company was created in 2022, relatively new. So I would like to know the history, the origin of the company and what specific problem that you saw that nobody was solving that you felt that, hey, you have to do something which led to the creation of this company. Talk about the company. Yeah, thank you. Thanks so much. I'd love to get into that. I'm a developer. I've worked in a lot of different platforms. Recently, a lot of work on the web, but prior to that, working during game development with Unity and mobile app development. And in those worlds, they're these visual dev tools like Xcode that show developers visually their product as they're building it and allow them to have a visual intuition and build the UI quickly. But there's nothing like that for web. And this problem has kind of haunted me for a long time. And I saw an opportunity with the evolution of React to do something about it. And so I started building and the result is mighty meld. Now just look at some of the problem areas that industry is facing where we can see, hey, this is very mighty meld is helping these organizations. Problem area, let's look at it, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think you have to be living under a rock these days not to see what's going on in the world of tech with the numerous layoffs and the kind of budget crunches even before the past couple of years there were a lot of you could never move your roadmap fast enough even when everything was booming and you couldn't get enough development horsepower. But today in these financially constrained times that's an even bigger problem. And so developer productivity is a big need and that's where mighty meld is aiming. We're helping developers be more productive with our visual tool that makes it faster to build high quality web apps and deliver high quality interfaces to your customers. And we're also integrating generative AI into the process in some very healthy ways. And that's really the primary focus of mighty meld is developer productivity, developer ease and elevating the quality of web apps. In the last one year, we are hearing a lot about focus going back to developers because we started talking about DevOps, SREs, all those teams, jargons which are good on paper but in reality the reality the way the companies still operate developers are still the one who write the code that add value to the business and we used to forget them. Now, as you mentioned, there are two or three things happening. One is the whole layout that is happening during COVID time, a lot of companies over hired and now layouts are happening. At the same time, the whole complexity of cloud cloud native word is also there which takes up a lot of developer time. So when we do look at some of these low code, no code development platform, they are not just for folks who are like they don't have those technical know-how but also kind of, I mean, a lot of things, you know, iPhone is a good example you don't have to be a computer scientist to be able to just use a computer. So talk a bit about the importance, the rule of low code, no code platform that you are seeing in the market looking at from this landscape once again that teams are smaller but you also need to free developers time to not waste too much time in unnecessary work. Does that question make sense? Yeah, yeah, it does make sense. I mean, it's been amazing to see the progression of no code and low code tools over the years. I've been watching them really since the days of a visual basic, we've had tools like that. They unfortunately remain limited. They're great for more simple apps but when you need to have more custom integrations with your tech stack, when you need certain levels of experience, when you need a certain kind of sophistication or performance metrics to be hit, there are a lot of architectural constraints that were no code solutions cannot really apply and that's why we see a lot of apps still being coded and the number of coded apps is growing as well just because the number of apps and products as we all know is growing with every passing year and that was also an inspiration for my email looking at the kinds of workflows that you can have in no code and wanting to deliver that kind of workflow to teams without the kinds of compromises that happen when you're siloed into a preexisting platform. So just to kind of put that briefly in a no code, it doesn't allow the kind of architectural flexibility and customization that sort of the top companies demand and MightyMeld is helping have that easy development without those kinds of limitations. Can you talk about your offering? Is it a software? Is it a service? It's SaaS? What is it? We think of it primarily as a dev tool but it is a SaaS product and what happens is you sign up for an account and basically the way it works is you take your existing React app and that's also another big difference between MightyMeld and no code platforms. No code platforms say, you know, hey, come here, start a new project, work within our ecosystem. MightyMeld is a tool that applies to any React app and we're going to be expanding towards other platforms as well and you take your existing app, you install a couple of things and then you can load it up in the MightyMeld visual environment and you can visually explore your web app while it's running. We have great integrations with things like VS Code so you can hop really quickly to your code if you need to do things the traditional way in your text editor and we also have a really nice visual editing environment where you can move around your UI and something that feels very similar to a Wix or Squarespace or one of those no code kinds of tools and as you're doing these visual moves MightyMeld updates your code with these small code updates and basically generates the same code updates you would do if you were making those updates by hand and all in all you have a really nice visual dev tool that runs in a browser and allows you to both understand your app and inspect it in new ways while it's running and also make updates to that app. Who is your target audience? Who is it for what kind of apps they can build with it? Are there limitations? That's actually the great thing about MightyMeld is that there are no limitations and we're very focused on these kinds of custom apps and working with any architecture. Our audience, our user base, all front-end developers, they're building apps using things like Next and Veet and hosting on Netlify or Cell, AWS, as well as other kinds of cloud hosted solutions and they're building all kinds of apps with our product, everything from SaaS dashboards to crypto trading apps to landing pages for products. We have a really interesting project going on which is a font, like a type system designer and it's these kinds of custom projects where MightyMeld really shines. It'd be really difficult to find a no-code platform that could generate a font system generator app for you and these are the kinds of things where people are coding as well as these larger scale projects and that's really what MightyMeld is designed for. Situations where you don't want to be limited you need to choose your architecture and build exactly the way you want to based on engineering constraints and things of that nature. Is it like for startups, smaller teams or even big organization enterprise customers can also leverage it? Right now we're working primarily with startups and smaller teams but we're looking to grow into the enterprise as our company grows. It may or may not be possible to share some names but I would love to hear some use cases also You have seen that your tool is really helping teams. Yeah, a really common use case we see is a SaaS products dashboard. I think most of our listeners here are probably familiar with SaaS products. They have these custom dashboards that allow you to either see data of people on your platform. Often they allow people on your platform to manage their accounts and we're working with a customer who has a store and you can see shipments that go out and your various store fronts and so that's a good use case for Mighty Meld where basically you need to customize the UI of that dashboard you need to build out new parts of the dashboard and you can do the UI scaffolding by basically using drag and drop and these visual tools and then as you're scaffolding out and building out the UI with the really optimized Mighty Meld flow that dashboard also needs to connect to all of their backend services and perhaps have some custom charting in there as well and so for those kinds of parts of the app they can be hand coded in the traditional way while Mighty Meld is used to lay out and build the UI and also get the styling good in a visual intuitive way. Any specific industry you're targeting or it doesn't really matter? Yeah, we're really more focused on our customers. We're focused on front-end developers and as you know, front-end developers work in a lot of different industries so we're not focused on a particular industry. You already also talked about Genitive AI and Genitive AI is one of the hardest topics to get. Talk about how you're leveraging it and you can look at it from two different perspectives. One is front-end developers who are building these Genitive AI base applications. Second is leveraging Genitive AI for Mighty Meld. We have a wonderful integration of Genitive AI in Mighty Meld. As you might be aware there are a lot of systems where you can submit a prompt and get an application of sorts for some basic kinds of applications. That's great if you're starting or you're doing a Greenfield project but when you have an evolving code base developers are needing something that integrates into their workflow and we've seen great results with things that integrate into the text editor and what we've done is done a similar kind of AI integration but into the visual app itself. So the experience of Mighty Meld is you're using your product, you point to parts of the UI, you ask the AI to update a part of your UI.  You see the code that it generated and also you experience immediately an updated version of your app. And so what we're focusing with our AI integration is a very tight human in the loop situation where as you're working you ask the AI for things and you see those results immediately. And so you can iterate very quickly with the help of AI and also exposing to the developer what gets created so they can either discard it and ask for another prompt or they can make slight modifications to the result that was generated by the AI. We are looking at, you mentioned startups but we are looking at a lot of green field a lot of brown field deployment. How about teams who already have their workflow and now they want to embrace Mighty Meld? Do they have to do a lot of reworking or the code? Do you have to migrate things? That's exactly the idea of Mighty Meld and as an engineer I know how painful it can be to have to do migrations to adopt products and I don't think any engineer wants to change their workflow if they don't have to. I mean, the idea of Mighty Meld is to speed up things for developers. So there's no need to change your code. There's no need to migrate. Mighty Meld is really we think of it as a dev tool. It works on your existing code base the way it is right now and we work on basically every way you can build a React app. Mighty Meld plugs in very easily. So quick to get going, no lock in and no change to the way you code. Excellent, now it's time to see the actions so let me do the demo. Yeah, let's do it. So I'm going to show Mighty Meld working on this actually one of our sample projects that we've put together that's available for developers to play with and we built this app using Chakra and TypeScript and I'm going to load it up right now in Mighty Meld and you can see we added our dev dependency to the build and once you've done that it basically instead of typing NPM start as you normally would you can type NPX Mighty Meld and that will load up your app in the Mighty Meld studio. And here I can see the app and this is actually a running version of the web app so I can click around, navigate the app test it as I ordinarily would in this view we actually have multiple responsive views here if we want to show multiple views simultaneously we can set that up in Mighty Meld and so Mighty Meld is a great way just to test and run your app but where things get really interesting is when I kind of pause time and go into edit mode when I go into edit mode I can click around and I see in real time this hierarchical visualization of my apps JSX and then I can go around and make edits like I can change the name here say from movie app to maybe my movies and when I do these changes Mighty Meld updates the code for me and it causes the app to hot reload. Let's say I want to put these titles above the details I can just drag this up here and I can see it rearrange in my app Mighty Meld is updating my local code I can see here the diff of the code updates that Mighty Meld is making as we can see they're very small clean minimal code updates Mighty Meld is also very nicely integrated with my text editor if I want to actually see this code I can open an editor and maybe look at maybe some of the callback functions or some of the non-visual things that are happening as I interact with this UI and so it's a great launching off point into my code base another thing I can do with Mighty Meld is build with these things we call prefabs which are basically building blocks from your favorite design system we're using Chakra UI and this app and so we have these building blocks set up for Chakra so I can actually take say a divider drag it in and it pastes it right here in my app for me I can see that it's also made the code update down here and edit the import and so you can see here I'm visually building on my running web app and of course I can go and run my app and feel out the changes that I made and since everything is component aware you can see this update here where I move the title is in other places in the app where the same component appears and that's basically in a kind of summary of Mighty Meld visual dev tool that allows me to do the visual part of my work visually in tight coordination with all my other tools in my dev tool stack VS Code, your favorite text editor GitHub and things of that nature as well as design systems like in this case Chakra UI we're using I believe this is the next app to build it so Mighty Meld is ready to work on any React app that comes its way Can you also talk about how developers can get started what kind of pricing offering you have for them? Mighty Meld is now available for the web development community to use free of charge and so yeah, go to mightymeld.com today we're inviting the web development community to come in and sign up on the free tier, give Mighty Meld a try and we think you'll love it And what after free tier and what are the limitations? The free tier is live and we also have an enterprise tier for teams with some advanced functionality around things like sign on and also some advanced build functionalities in that tier and we are working on a paid tier with some of our upcoming additional superpowers will be available in a paid tier coming soon So this free tier is not a trial mode they can continue to use it as well Yeah, it's not a free trial it is a free just a free level and basically the free tier gives devs enough powers to experience a big productivity boost with Mighty Meld and then the paid tiers will offer additional functionalities as well as additional features that are needed for bigger teams Right, so regularly in general they can continue to use it if they want and if they do want to move then they can move to the next paid tier Excellent, thank you Steven, thank you so much for taking time out today talk about the company and this excellent demo and I would love to chat with you again because I can see there are a lot of things in your pipeline Thank you Yeah, thank you so much, I really enjoyed the chat


This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network Pretty interesting game to wrap up week number seven in the NFL We have a banged up San Francisco 49ers team going to Minneapolis take on the Minnesota Vikings And we got to decide how much not having diva Samuel likely not having Trent Williams down grades this team We're talk about that today with Ryan Williams picking his brain on this matchup from a spread and total perspective But also talking player props for Monday night at Fandall sportsbook This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and Fandall research My name is Jim saw this I am a managing editor of digital media for Fandall research Join here as I am every Monday by Ryan Williams check them out on Twitter at Ryan Alexander underscore W Ryan pretty fun week number seven thus far. How you doing today? Oh I'm doing I'm doing great Jim. Yeah, it's been it's been a fun week seven You know, if you are annoyed about, you know, the brotherly What are they called the brotherly push brotherly? Push yeah, I like to push. I just I like to push so to push. Yeah, that's exactly exactly. Oh, no, bring tush back Yeah, if you get annoyed by all those monikers and stuff then the best way to go about it It's just trying to you know, go go full-on go full into it Try and try and make the best of it. And that's what we did on Titan day Shout out to Mark Andrew shout out to Travis Kelsey, you know It's making some bets with those guys who tend to just ball out when you know, this this day comes about We got another tight end to talk about tonight that I'm excited about but yeah, all in all a good week seven love events get get back to the mix of things I was talking about Lamar at the midseason getting MVP odds on him Which looks pretty great. It's just really right now Not sure what's going on with the Buffalo Bells, but you know going against the Patriots a divisional Josh Allen just In the recent, you know in the recent two years here But yeah, we're we're week seven. 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He is doubtful as well and those are two of the best players on this team They got a lot of good ones, but tremp williams definitely up there for sure So let's talk about those two injuries first ryan How did the losses of diva sandal and tremp williams impact your view of the spread and the total in this game? Yeah, the the spread it it impacts it a little bit for me jim just because We know that you know the Vikings you know they tend to they tend to be close and the you know the one thing the vikings don't do is Kind of just lay down or or go down without a fight. I should say um and so Just thinking about this offense in the way that you know Christian mccaffrey is banged up. We don't have any rushing lines right now For the san francisco 49ers for elie mitchell uh and jase jordan mason You know diva sandal not being a part of this offense does take out kind of what they want to do I feel like when you're talking about scheme wise It puts more pressure on brockporty and possibly christian mccaffrey If he's going to be able to to give it a go tonight. So I do like the minnesota vikings plus six and a half here minus 105 I think that's a that's a fair number. Uh, you would love to get to that key number of seven I just don't think that we will um get there Even even with christian mccaffrey like fully ago. I just don't think the book would want to do that But yeah, seven would be a a smash number if we somehow get it. I'm actually not to I'm not turned away by the 43 number as well too for the over If we can get some, you know plays going for for the minnesota vikings I know that the number, you know, is going to be kept down because we're missing jesson depherson We're missing diva sandal. I would want christian mccaffrey to play Taking that over number, but I think there's still some pieces here And there's still, you know, there's kurt guzzin's dee gap mode like he'll still be able to find Ways to to get his guys the ball. Um, so Is an interesting one for for going to be scored Especially with the way the vikings defense has been playing which I believe they have the highest blitz rate of of any team So this will be an interesting showing up for brock clarity as the 49ers look to bounce back after their loss last week Yeah, it's fun to watch brian floras when he knows that his team has no no talent He's kind of back in like that like uh dolphin's mode when like he took over that like tanking team And like the vikings defense is pretty devoid of talent So he's kind of going like we're just gonna like mess with you and see what happens And I agree with you the total is very interesting here. I have the over here Um, I've got total 46.3. So with it sitting at 43 point now 43 right now I think there's value in that minus 112 on the over that that is a after accounting for the loss of Debo and I'm assuming Trent will ends will be out as well So even accounting for those two things I agree with you ryan where I think the over is very in play here it would be like If we had jefferson debo and Trent will ends in this game It's probably sniffing around 47 or so. I don't know that might be an exaggeration But like, um, I think we'd we'd see a much higher total here. So those losses We don't want to double count those which is kind of what you were saying, you know Where even with those guys being accounted for I think that there is doubt in the over so to me I'm also kind of going into looking at props ryan Under the assumption that we'll see a a bit more scoring than what the books are projecting right now with a total being at just 43 Yeah, I I think so and I and you know, I like I said, I still think that there's key pieces On both sides, especially on the 49ers side To to be able to push things and you're looking at the you know, where the public Is that right now? Public is loving over also loving the 49ers side though favorably 89 percent of the bets on the money line Right around just under 80 percent of bets on the san francisco spread, um, which even likes me Which even makes me love the minnesota spread Okay, let's dig into some props here for this game and talk about the 49ers side as you mentioned no rushing props up yet with the Question mark to roma calfery sounds like he'll be good to go But they haven't posted any props yet at fan dual sports books. Let's talk here about the past catchers Because taking diva sandal out of the equation does obviously have an impact on brandon iuk george kittle and all those guys So look at the past catching props rider other props on the 49ers any value you see right now or Are those losses already properly accounted for? Yeah, and that's a you know, I don't want to go back and make this uh, thing about you know tight end week Being you know a thing or tight end day extending on to monday night because the day is over but george kittle just finds himself in a favorable matchup You know once again tight ends have been you know smashing against Against the minnesota vikings defense and it makes sense right from a scheme perspective You know if they are going to be blintzing at this explosive rate You're trying to find that you know those security blankets Guys in the middle of the field and george kittle finds himself at that 47 and a half You know feels like a reasonable number honestly though I think it should be you know a little bit closer to to 50 and maybe 52 with uh debo being out You know people are going to look at iuk first and foremost and he's 71 and a half And I think that that's a reasonable number as well too considering explosive play rate For brandon iuk and just how he can get going against this offense But I do think that the offense today or tonight will start and stop with george kittle I love you know getting in on his reception props right now. It's three and a half at minus 156 That's a little bit too too It's not favorable enough for my liking. So let's go to those alt receptions If we go up to five there, it's uh plus 132 on the line Six receptions is plus 235 and the viking's defense has given up six receptions to tie it in for multiple weeks now. So Love love getting action on george kittle tonight And I think that that's our way to approach it too because he's a pretty volatile guy in terms of usage and he can have days where There's not a whole lot cooking Even that game where you had the three touchdowns he had three receptions or three or four receptions in that game So like if i'm going at kittle I want to go like you said and go towards the more upside markets and that would be like alternate receiving yards um Looking at touchdown props and looking at these you know at the alt reception numbers five plus receptions again Like you said plus 132 I want to take advantage and benefit from the volatility as opposed to being At the mercy of it. I think that this allows you to better do that So I agree with you where when looking at kittle I want to search in the alternate markets because I know that even with debo being out there are still a lot of paths to having mediocre games so if I can have that marriage outcomes I want to account for that. I think these numbers ryan do do that properly So I agree with you on the approach there with kittle looking at iyuk his uh receiving yardage receiving reception prop number is four and a half over his minus 158 So again, you know, it heavily juiced towards the over the yardage number 71 and a half I get why it's there. Uh, he's been an animal so far this year, but that is a lofty lofty number to be sure Let's talk about the viking side of things here a second game with no Justin jefferson the first one that they'll get to play indoors Last week they played in very heavy wind against the chicago bearer So might see a more normal version of this offense now with no jefferson So any value for you on the viking side of things here? Yeah, I think, uh, you know, we got we got to go back again I mean again, this is just so how how it happened But tj hawkinson is the best receiver uh for the minnesota vikings, you know right now with without Justin jefferson and we saw that last week, you know Even with the wind kurt cousins trying to find tj hawkinson as much as he can Against this bears the offense 49 and a half again. That's that's a reasonable number I think that this is one where I'd be tending To to take the over especially like if we if we get christian mccaffrey in this game And we kind of talk about, you know, maybe the 49ers they're controlling this game in in the first half, you know and and They the vikings need to you know throw in the second half to kind of get back into a love hawkinson there Love kj osborne as well 41 and a half is where he's coming in at and this has just been a guy who's He's been in this offense For for some time people will look at jordan adison the rookie and I you know Love that kirk is trying to get him going but I think kj osborne is just this guy who's kind of Been around here for for a while with minnesota and I feel like him and kirk cousins have like a good rapport and understanding Especially when it comes to like third down conversions and just needing to make a big play kj osborne seems to always be in the mix Even if you think that the the path Um for you know the the vikings to cover is for them to get out to an early lead I still like the passing options here the run game has just not been able to get going With alexander madison and cam makers coming to the squad and so It's hard to be able to trust the running back situation right now there alexander madison is the only One who we have props for uh at this current juncture. I don't know how you can put any harder and dollars on on cam makers At this point in time, but you know, uh, this this is one of those things like especially if we're expecting points in this game We got to be looking at avenues On on the way to get there. So tj harkinson and kj osborne of the two that stand out for me So here's my pitch for adison if I were to try to sell you on him His number 15 and a half and that's a big number for sure, especially for a guy who hasn't you know Played a feature role so far this year, but Addison adison gets a lot of downfield work looking overall this year counting the games where jefferson has played 24% deep target share for adison. He's actually been pretty effective on those downfield targets as well Overall target share for adison this year is 15% but again, you take jefferson out of the equation I think we'll see more downfield work for adison once again and The way you attack the 49ers is on the outsides You do not want to live in the middle and deal with the insane linebacker play they've got It's a black hole in the middle of feeling you when you face them So I think they're like from a matchup perspective It actually does line up pretty well for adison, which is why He's the first guy who caught my attention now Maybe I don't want to go with the traditional market of 50 and a half for receiving yards for adison, but Looking at the alt market here to get 60 plus yards is plus 130 70 plus yards plus 194 I think that that's kind of in play for this one because of the way he gets used downfield and the way that this matchup aligns So Maybe i'm thinking too much about like matchups here. Maybe i'm you know, underselling how good the Or how difficult that maybe the vikings like get outside given that like the pass rush will probably be in their face right away But like I think that's where I'm most tempted to go Just because I really want those downfield shots that we've seen adison gets even when jefferson's been healthy this year That's least my pitch for it if I were trying to sell it. I love it. I love it. Yeah, I mean he's he's definitely Um curt cousins has has relied on him. Uh, even even when jefferson was healthy He's been he's been given a healthy amount of targets. I believe four touchdowns in six games for jordan adison. So Yeah, we we love we love to see it speaking of touchdowns. Let's talk about those We both like the over in this game at 43 So could be some value in the touchdown score props as of right now christian mccaffrey is minus 175 to score Your guide george kiddo plus 155 teacher hawkinson plus 230 when look at the touchdown props ryan any value stand out to you there Yeah, I mean kiddo at plus 125, you know, i'm gonna have some action on uh, I do think it's interesting You know, they kind of have tj jordan and kj all, you know, kind of right by each other 230 260 and then 360 um I probably would go with george jordan adison from that front getting red zone targets Um, you know, at a plethora. So uh, jordan adison for me there is what's interesting on the uh, on the 49ers side Though joan jennings at plus 480 is a guy who i'm definitely going to be looking at here Without debo samuel being out there, you know, joan In the mix 14s for some time like joan when joan jennings has carved out a role on this roster Where he's kind of just always been there and he was Guys that brock perti was working with and had a good rapport with when he came into the mix last year Um, brock perti that is and so, you know, joan jennings. I'm really excited to kind of see him You know kind of play in this game and see what he has to offer A score without, you know, debo samuel being out there. I think that that's uh, that's interesting with the vikings kind of focused on Okay, don't let it'll beat us. Don't let uh, don't let it'll beat us. Don't let um brandon i beat us and joan jennings could fund himself on an island out there Yeah, juan jennings plus 480 as ryan mentioned Did see an increased role in that game that i you convinced earlier on this year only three targets in that game But did run a good number of routes. I think that's pretty enticing for Juan jennings if you want a longer shot, I think that i'd agree with ryan That's probably your best outlet would be via juan jennings plus 480. I'd also mentioned brandon pal plus 550 I'm not going to take that myself, but a guy who at least be out there as a longer shot Not recommending that but like If you're looking for guys with longer odds to at least be on the field Those are the guys who check that box But jennings to me the much much much much better option between those two guys at their respective odds Any final thoughts for you ryan on this game before we close up shop for today? Uh, just because of the way the week's been going for me. I won't be surprised if I get some action on kettle to score twice Okay, but 13 to 1 odds there.  I believe uh in his last 10 monday night starts But we're taking the points. What what could go wrong? Um, it just need him to cover kurt just need you to cover and uh, we'll be all set National tight end day as morphed into national tight end week here Uh, hopefully get george kittle in the end zone twice for tonight That is all that we have here for today on covering the spread But do not worry because ryan is back with us once again tomorrow talks in futures We'll talk about the lay of the land maybe some ravens discussion on the show tomorrow as well Uh as I can rub the salt in my wound in my line's money line ticket from yesterday even a little bit more because why not Let's just do that uh potentially tomorrow as well We'll all be here every other day throughout this week So make sure you're subscribed to covering the spread wherever you get your podcast if you like what you hear Leave us a five star rating ryan appreciate having you on good luck tonight. Uh, hopefully your good week continues We'll talk to you once again tomorrow Yeah, good luck to everybody else out there cover kirk cover kirk. We need you We'll see you next time jim some espresso for kurt cousins before the game tonight to wake him up a little bit I think that's what we need uh keep keep the dad mode away at least a little bit longer for sure You can find ryan on twitter at ryan alexander underscore w i'm on twitter at jim sonnis and on threads at jim dot sonnis Enjoy monday football. We'll talk to you once again tomorrow. This has been covering the spread right here on the fan dual podcast network