Hey, hello everybody, welcome back to this dream of the SpeedVestion Island 3. If you'd like to ask a question to our speaker, you can do this by using the chat functionality below the streaming function. So the next speaker here is Alexi Russel, former president of the Swiss Pirate Party. I'm proud to be here today. He will speak today about the digital integrity of the human person and new fundamental rights 2020 update. So stage is yours. Thank you. I did a presentation in English, I was authorized to do so. So I'm working since several years on this right to digital integrity of the human person and there has been a lot of evolution during the last year and I already presented one year ago in Leipzig and so now I'm doing like every year an update on the new changes which are coming. But first I'm going to present again what this right is about and go into some of the details and then see what are the updates of this year and what hopefully we can expect next year. So first this is a right that people didn't hear much already, I mean until now it's going, in Switzerland it's being used more and more, the terminology is being used and there are some real cases of, some constitutions are trying to get this right into some of the local constitutions. So basically it all comes down from this key moment which Peter Sunder summarized very well. When the judge asked Peter Sunder during the Pirate Bay trial if he meets people in real life and then he answers, no we don't use the expression in real life because we use the expression away from keyboard because for us internet is real and basically internet is a continuity. This small expression is a very old expression in our world and it shows that there is a change of perception between the old world where you have people and for example Angela Merkel and they see the new world with the Neuland and then there is the people today, most of the people who live in a continuity with the digital space, they don't see the difference. So there is a lot of search for a core digital human right and the objective of this core digital human right is to of course protect and give us some guidelines on how to ensure that people are safe in the digital space also but it has to be understood and enforceable by everyone. It has to be something very simple. So here the concept is very simple.  Why do we have first the integrity, why does it exist? So in German it's called Unversertheit. Why does it exist and why it is put in constitutions at very high level in the constitution? It's because it's the only way to guarantee the autonomy and the freedom of the person. Basically if you allow one person to be safe to be protected physically then you can ensure that this person is going to take decisions without physical constraints. Very simple. If you go to the voting booth and you want to vote and if someone is hitting you at the same time you will not vote the same way that if you if you are not hit. So this is very it looks very simple but I believe we can also apply the same type of guarantee in the digital world. So there has been already a movement which says that is that that want to protect digital self-determination and this is exactly this. The digital self-determination is a way to recognize that also in the digital space people need to be autonomous, needs to be free in their capacity of taking this decision and for this they have to be their entity the person has to be protected. So I see the right to digital integrity to guarantee this right to self-determination. So the right to self-determination exists already since some year. It has been actually also established by the or the establishment maybe recognized by the the German High Court and in 2008 but it is recognized that in by some scholars in Switzerland that inside the constitutions today we consider that this right of self-bestimmung is present in article 13 which is about data protection but it's not very rightly implemented it's a bit hard to understand it from there because the text says you are only protected against the abuses. This is very specific and it's very hard to enforce information that is self-bestimmung or digital self-determination based on the current article in the Constitution. So that's why there is another article which is higher up in the in the Constitution which is the right of life. And the right of life is actually is article 10 in the Swiss Constitution and it's the article which is the most important because it's the first article that provides you a space you as a human being in the society with the state saying that is not going to is going to protect your life and it's going to give you the space to be an active citizen an active person and without this right of life then you don't have any other rights all the other rights that you have which is the right of movement the right of free speech the right of privacy any other right is derived from this right to life. It has a very long history but basically it has been written down quite recently. So the right of life is usually combined with two specific rights which is the right to your physical integrity and the right to your mental integrity. These are these are these are put usually in the in the in the Constitution some constitutions only have one some constitutions don't have any of those two they only have the right to life but the right to life is like really present everywhere. So now that we have our life which has been digitally extended we also could consider that our right to fit our right to our integrity of ourselves should be extended also. But it raises some questions and it or it has some some consequences actually and one of the first consequence which which is the it has already been established by by some groups and one of the group is called the aphapédépée it's an association of French speaking data protection officers or organization like Knil in France like the Edub in Switzerland and and many other countries they came together and they made a political statement in in 2018 saying that personal data are not an object that you can buy and sell it is actually part of the human person it's part of your personhood and so it has specific rights which are inalienable so you cannot remove those rights from your data and and these rights cannot be sold also okay can you know cannot be transferred because they are inalienable so here when we when we talk about the integrity of the person of course if we talk about the physical integrity is pretty easy to understand we have a body and no one is allowed to chop my arm without any reason but for the digital space it's a bit different because what is my digital self in the digital realm so it is actually my my data but it's not very well defined exactly there are some studies about all the different types of data that we have but then it's it's it's more like a very large concept so now these data they are not objects that you can buy and sell like in the US they have this silicon way approach where they can just buy data resell it reuse it against the person or there is the Chinese or the Russian approach which is more like data is part of the common good your your data your personal data is actually not owned by yourself but it's owned by the society and then can be used against you for the good of the society and this is what we see in China or in Russia so here the idea is that the data are part of yourself and that's why we can say then that the government that the state through the constitution should protect the integrity of these data and should not interfere with those as long as it affects your autonomy your capacity of taking decision one very good example is Cambridge Analytica where organization used personal data and interfered in the information bubble to change your way sub to change the way of some people of how they would feel and then to make them vote a certain way so this is clearly a manipulation of their personhood digital personhood and that affected their in digital integrity and it affected their vote so from there one of my consideration is that just harvesting data if you are starting to get data over people without them being informed and in and have given consent then basically this is already harming the digital integrity of the person so the fact that you have third parties that are collecting data without you having an interaction with them with could be a state organization or could be a private organization but this is already not acceptable without you having given consent and and also the the the last consequence that that is important is that the it has it comes with a realization that actually no one knows or no one no one understand the extent of his personal data and this is very important because one of the critics of current one of the critics of people who want to fight for their their their digital rights is oh but you just have to be responsible and don't put things on facebook if you don't if you don't want your data to be leaked just don't put your data there at the first place obviously this is a very bad understanding of how internet is working so you can argue yes but you don't know what metadata is and you can you don't understand what what are the consequences it's not just about my poster on facebook it's the fact that my friends are using my data on over facebook which i i i don't control but the reality is is actually bigger is that no one has full knowledge and full comprehension of the extent of his personal data that's not that's just impossible to have so the whole system must be made taking this into account we should be protected wherever that our data is even if we are not aware that the data is somewhere and in switzerland this is like really the case right now where if you want to enforce your right your right to data access your right to data deletion and so on you really need to know where they are and you need to act precisely and this this is this is really limitative so so the so breaking them the nothing to hide logic nothing to if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry i think that what that is a key thing that was always struggling before this right came is that a lot of people put digital right in the framework of privacy so privacy is a is a way to to live a life on your protected you know and the enforcing your digital rights is actually not only about having making sure that you can hide away and have a private life it's just actually a way to make you to make yourself be able to take freely decision also in the digital realm so when you when we talk about digital integrity it opens up it breaks this logic of putting people who are fighting for digital rights just in a place where we suspect them to hide something and that's not the case actually we don't most of us we don't hide anything and we have like normal boring life like everyone but just we want to keep our autonomy and then when we we don't we don't want to to have to see algorithm influence our our own decision making for example that's one example so digital integrity and and gdpr this is a question i i get often is it compatible isn't it not not is it incompatible it's a very good example that every every time you make a a big statement a big fundamental right you need to have laws which come and implement specifics and gdpr is exactly this gdpr is a is a big law which is is implementing specifics about how data has to be managed and most of it is actually not bad but it has a so it's a good complement to to the to the main principle but the problem is that it is incompatible within its article two and the article two of of the gdpr is what what i call the the security black hole is basically that as soon as a state says that there is this kind of security concern around the situation then they can collect data for no reason i mean they don't have to justify and they can avoid they can be excluded from gdpr and just collect all the data they want so this has to be removed with time it has to be it has been already reduced a bit by conventions 108 from the council of europe but but basically the idea is that every if we have a right to digital integrity then this right is is actually it imposes itself on the state so the state should give it should give the example that's that this is why we need a right to digital integrity the right to digital integrity is basically asking the state to treat his digital citizens the right way as free responsible person who can take their own decisions and they should provide the right tools to the citizens to to be able to to have this life and and to defend their their digital autonomy so states should be an example and today what we see is that states are not examples they are establishing mass surveillance even though they are in democracies they are working they are they are they are working with private sector companies like Palantir for example which are collecting data and they have the creating systems very connected systems between different governments and private companies and they create they create a system which is called today capitalism of surveillance so the state should be actually on the side of the citizen and be able to let the the citizen protect its own autonomy is its individual autonomy so at the end the right of digital integrity is should be i hope or can be in the future the justification for the rate for the right to data protection as a whole so data protection is only seen as one element to allow people also in the digital sphere to be autonomous so now how are we going to implement this and this is what we what's the most interesting is that once we have the right we need to put it somewhere and and actually there is so there's two main texts which are proposed so it's the charter of the fundamental right of the european union and the swiss constitutions i mean those are two ones which i have somehow i can i can work on so they have a similar article article 3.1 an article 10.2 which says for the swiss one it says every person has a right to personal liberty and in particular to physical and mental integrity and to freedom of movement so the idea here is very simple is to embrace actually our digital society and accept that today we are only social human beings because we also interact digitally not only not only physically so we add the digital part of ourselves in these articles so so for example the charter fundamental rights could become everyone has the right to the respect of his and her physical mental and digital integrity so from there some work has started it started very slowly a couple of years ago it's a long process which has started 10 years ago but in switzerland we already have three work which are in progress and the first one is in valet it's a it's a these are state levels so constitution continental levels for people who are not in switzerland so these are it's a federation so every continental has its own constitutions and they have for some a collection of fundamental rights which is included in their own constitution so they can add them so valet has one specific is in one specific moment right now right now because they are renewing their own constitutions so they're rewriting it from scratch and and and the they have a whole assembly for this that they they voted and there is a commission on a fundamental right that has added this right to digital integrity as a separate line but in the same paragraph as in the right of life and that should be that that is in discussion right now and we'll just come a bit later on what it triggered it's very interesting Contour of Geneva has also started some some work one of the main local parties has decided to make an initiative to collect signatures but because of coronavirus collecting signatures in the middle of the pandemic is not a very right very easy task so they they sadly decided to cancel it but they're going to submit a constitutional law so that's a whole parliamentary parliamentary process within the within the Geneva institution so that it can go through without a people vote but there there will be referendum but there will be there won't be an initiative okay Contour of Neuchâtel where where I am there is some work that is is being prepared also for in that way so the debate of in Valais and that was interesting you can find the documentation on the on their website I put the link there it's in French and in German but basically they they my message to them was really okay there is this right to digital integrity and you should try to add this and they they really listened to that and they took it and they they they put it and unanimously they added I mean the this commission it's not voted on it has to still to be voted by the people of Valais and there's a lot of process still but the commission and fundamental right they accepted to add this right to digital integrity but they came up with other rights and that's really interesting because they they tried out several ones one of them is every person has the right to control its digital identity and I think in the in the context of the EID law it's it's pretty interesting how how it how it came up so they they put that because they first put the the right to digital integrity and then so so when they talk about digital identity then they said yeah everyone should be in control and in control is very important because it means it means that the way you treat certain parties is very specific has to be very specific we have to define that but also it added in the same line it says it has a special right to anonymity within the digital realm I think that's very interesting a right so that would that's the first occurrence where there's a proposition of the right of anonymity there is another right that was proposed but refused by the commission so there was a minority report minority report on this right is that there was a right to not not to be surveilled measure or analyzed but for some reason which was not completely they thought it was a bit too much maybe to do this and the third thing is also linked to the right to be disconnected which is also interesting every person is allowed to communicate with authorities without using any specific technology and this is a trend we see right now where a government are pushing people to the digital connection and it's actually letting a lot of people out and and or maybe some people are using those tools but basically are are losing the control over those tools that are using and they're losing the control in their relationship with their own state so if you try to have a state that creates confidence with their citizen but you give them tools that they don't understand right now because they don't have the education because they don't have control over the tools that's not going to increase the overall confidence in the state so it's it's actually not going in the other right the other direction and and basically when you think about that every person has a right to digital integrity then you think about these these these things we added this year we added a Wikipedia article in French which the link is is is on the screen it was really an interesting exercise that we that we did here it's a very simple article which goes through a bit the situation in Switzerland and the the the mode the best lesson that we that we learned from this is that as soon as a Wikipedia page then it's it's a real thing because people the first thing they will do if you talk about something they will go on internet and they will they will search the topic and they will see the first thing is a Wikipedia page okay so they they they talk about something which is which is right I just made one mistake which I didn't know at that time is that we shouldn't never use like parenthesis at the end of a link it really is very bad for sharing the link but anyway so the Wikipedia page got some interest and there's already some other external editors on this article which is interesting this year and it's just like released a few days ago we have the first publication so in in beginning of the year 2020 there was a one-day colloquium at the University of Law of Nishapel about the topic and I was presenting someone from the Valais constitution was presenting and then all the teacher professors from the from key elements like constitutional law criminal law civil law international civil law they all presented and they made their own analysis of this of this new right so and and now we have this booklet which is actually a book with the contribution of all these authors that has been published a couple of weeks ago so that's the first legal public publication it's important because now people can start referencing this this this this right or and put references in their own work and and start to use this as doctrine so this is a doctrinal work that we've been doing I've been presenting this in going around so I was last year in the CCC also I was at the Winter Congress and and we recently presented it also at the Internet Governance Forum which is a is a good place to to have outreach to these are older achievements but I'm still putting them there because they're they're quite interesting is that Suico is an association for in Switzerland about digital world and they made a survey in 2019 for the for all the candidates of the national elections of 2019 and there was a question we were able to add this question in the survey where there was where they were asked what do you think about a right to digital integrity and there was a very high support so even though people even though it was not a topic at that moment and maybe they they when they saw the question they felt naturally that it was a good thing the Greens in Switzerland voted they stayed they they agreed up to 99 percent or 95 percent and Svalpe which is like the most conservative let's say they they agreed up at 55 percent which is not bad actually the Swiss Socialist Party is also has has made in 2015 so that was a long time ago a paper on on internet a position on the internet and they they did it in a way which is pretty interesting you have the you have there's the link also there on the screen they they really made a work and they involved a lot of people from experts and the community to try to see find a way to define what is socialism in the age of internet and how their view should be on on on on yeah on the internet and they also integrated after a proposition that we made they also integrated the right to digital integrity and they they really made it in the way that it's linked to the right to self-determination so this is how they see it very well they understood so the in terms of future work this year there will be few things happening so first there is an essay which is going to be published also so this is more like a political book publication that would be published in April which is explaining a bit the thinking about this so it's not the legal work like the first one which is more legal analysis and legal critiques but this is really like a digital an essay and thinking wishful thinking about how it could it could have an impact on the society there's a lot of legal research that is going to start in Neuchâtel University there is even a new laboratory in the law in the law university about the tech and and they're going to take this subject too hopefully we are going to to have some initiatives so I'm just going to finalize now with the last thing is that okay some people say yeah great Alexi I like this and I want to help somehow and the idea is actually the first thing that we have to do is keep on building the things that we are building right now actually that protects our digital integrity so everything which is based on anonymization all the decentralized tool all the all the all those new tools that we are thriving we are working with and we are thriving in these we need to to keep building and we can just add this little touch that does it does it protect on my digital integrity yes or no myself I'm working on the I'm helping people to build an anonymization network and that's exactly in line with with with my thinking um of course then then we can also uh in the whenever and I hope the next time that the digital zelshaft has a has a successful uh judicial process they can ask the question okay in this case did we hurt the digital digital integrity of the of the people it's something that you can take into a legal procedure and ask this question now that there are some doctrine people the judges can go and and and be uh question about this uh yeah basically and of course uh you can always always express yourself and and use this term um by saying instead of saying no I want to be private I don't want to people to see me uh to see my private information on on my social network you can say to people who don't understand who are still in the in the thematic of saying oh if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about you can say yeah but it does affect my digital integrity it does affect my way I can take a decision so it's a different language that you can you can propose to uh to to this uh and obviously if you want to help support initiatives local initiatives uh in Switzerland if you're if you're in Switzerland there's a lot of content where you can easily make a local initiative support them financially or actually help them and uh yeah that's it thank you very much for your talk and also for your engagement here in this area very interesting so I'm a little bit lost now so kind of use some problem um uh channel the IRC channel is not working at least not for me so but I have I have two questions so the first is probably or maybe a little easier one so um it looks to me that in the French part of Switzerland um this initiative is way further in progress so is this just by chance or is it because you're more active there or is it because people are more open-minded to these kinds of topics or so I've been more active and and I had the chance to to really engage with scholars in the University of Lausanne in the of Neuchâtel in the University of Geneva so it has been picked up from there and and because it has been picked up by scholars then it had echo in the at the constitutional hearings in Vale and in Geneva so yeah it was it was mostly due to the fact that um one of the reasons I was there more active so it could spread and but now it's spreading on its own um yeah so I have to do the same thing in the Swiss German part maybe we can support you there um so the same thing which came to mind when you were talking more at the beginning of the talk um where you were mentioning also for example Cambridge Analytica or this kind of thing very also saying um when such tools are are starting to influence your political or generally your mind um that's also violating your um digitally integrity but on the other hand um even in the non-digital world so we have we have advertising for political things on the streets and then it's of course not or at least to me of course not a violation of digital integrity but um so the question would then be where would you see here the border when would you call it as a violation of digital integrity and where would you say it's kind of normal ad or even part of the healthy political discussion which are needed in a democratic so it's all a matter of balance okay for example in the in the physical world you have propaganda you have political advertisement but for example you're not allowed to have subliminal messages like in the movies you know like where they put one uh frame and to to change your mind so so it is already accepted and that uh you can put political posters in the street but you cannot do subliminal messages so you see that that's one example where the society made some decisions and I think it will be the same for uh online political publicity if it's something which is uh outspoken which is presented and it's it's known to be political publicity that's probably something that the society will think it's okay uh what what is not okay in is when the the people are not aware of the functioning of the algorithm and that the people are using those tools knowing that the people don't understand and are pushing data to change their mindset this is different because then you don't have the tools to fight yourself against that because you're inside your bubble and you think that you're seeing the the reality and in in in fact the reality is induced by some political messages that you that you're seeing so I think that's way over the limits that the society should accept okay now we should need to find the right balance um and the balance will be always at if there's a normal person who is not stupid enough uh strong is it uh facing that kind of publicity will he be or he or she be strong enough to understand what it what it is and still to take his own decision you know that that will be the the balance all right since I still have no access to the fire state channel and I'd like to thank you again for the talk and for answering at least my question thank you very much and also thank you for everyone who was tuning in so we are having now a break until eight o'clock swiss time so that's almost one hour and then the next talk will be about bioinformatics heck thank you


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We're about to embark on because we are about to play a hardcore save on Minecraft. You may notice it looks a little bit different. I'm playing with the new RTX mode, which just looks insane. This isn't the best example when you go into caves and stuff. It looks crazy. And so I hope it doesn't bother you. I know some people can be a bit annoyed if you got texture packs and whatnot and it's not the default look. But please give it a shot because I'm pretty excited to try it and I just really hope it doesn't bother you. I'm playing on the Windows 10 version. It isn't beta. I can't get rid of the text on the top, unfortunately, as far as I know. And also, there's no hard core mode. So I'm playing it on hard difficulty and when we die, we die. That's the end of the world. I'm praying we don't die immediately. That is my worst fear that we die on one episode. But we're gonna get started. It's just... That doesn't sound good. I already fear for my life. Alright, we're off to a good start. I stole a torch. I happened to just spawn at this village, so I was pretty happy with my first world. I don't know if that's rare, but it seems like it is. I'm probably just gonna come and hear one of their homes, to be honest. Look at that food and everything. I'm off to a fantastic start. I'm so excited to show you guys like in caves and stuff, but I just gotta gather some basic supplies. Look at this. They've got a lovely farm and everything set up for me. Don't worry, I'll harvest it for you. What do you mean? Am I gonna share around the wheat?  He's just like, but I planted it. Alright, this guy has a crafting bench.  I don't know. Alright, he's a crafting bench. I'll just take, you know what? I may as well take a tree. I was about to say I'm just gonna take a chunk out of his house to make some tools. Sorry about the damage to your house. I had to make a shovel. It's like collapsing. Alright, the sun looks like it's directly over me, so I have some time. I want to try and gather some tools and immediately start mining because I briefly looked into one of the tunnels last night when I was setting this up and it looked insane.  How did you get planning permission for that?  I think I'm gonna take this house. It has a double bed. I don't think I'll ever have roommates, but you know what? One can dream. It's weird because I'm almost getting a sense of nostalgia even though I've never used a pack like this. It just reminds me of using like old school texture packs and stuff like that to try and get the game looking all epic. Sorry, neighbor. I'm gonna need your door. I don't have one. I'm gonna take this too. Thank you very much. Okay, I got myself a door. I actually don't feel super safe in this village, to be honest with you. God, how does that person sleep? Their houses lit up like the Fourth of July. Oh Jesus Christ, my neighbor's house was like that at night too. What is wrong with you people? The only good thing about it is it's really easy to find my house now and his place lights up the entire area. Because at night I've noticed with these shaders it gets very, very dark. But look how warm my house looks. Fantastic. Oh no, there are monsters nearby. I don't like this.  I'll go sleep in someone else's house. They're like, what are you doing here? I heard a monster.  He has diamond. Is that normal? I swear to God, I didn't put that in there.  It's like, oh my God you guys, I did some building like off video and like I just completed this entire castle and found 194 diamonds. But I didn't know that was possible. I really didn't. People aren't gonna believe me. I'm even not believing me. I don't understand how that happened. I've never found diamond in a village before. Sorry buddy, no solicitation.  Alright, I'm immediately just building a pick. I mean, what more can I want? That is amazing. I'm so happy. I was like, now I can go get obsidian and I was like, wait, I do not want to go to the nether. If I die, I'm dead.  There's someone with a gun right behind that green screen. Okay, I think I'm gonna build my own house like over here somewhere. But I want to build a castle. That's what I want to do.  I want to make it as safe as possible. So I'm gonna try and start digging down. I might do a bit of strip mining. You know, I won't do- I won't show you much of it. I'll just keep going straight with my diamond pick. Try and find some more diamonds and just a ton of cobble to make a big wall. We're gonna have a fort. Fort Turk, it will be called. Oh my God, there's a beehive there. But I'm afraid to go near it because, you know, the whole death thing. The problem is, I really need coal. Like really badly. I have none. Ah, there we go. There's some coal. I can't see anything. I'm really scared because even if I die now, I go, ha, that's just my luck. And we probably start again because it's right at the start. But like, I've got diamond somehow. Okay, okay, we got even more coal. This is fantastic. This is going great. Which makes me uneasy. I don't like when things go too well. I'm not used to it. Okay, I think this is a good place to dig. We're just gonna start digging down and see what we can do. Oh no, I can't get coordinates in this version. Or at least I don't know how. Oh no, how do I play without being able to get coordinates? Oh, what is that? Is that iron? I feel like I'm learning the whole game again. I'm getting very excited here. Wait, is that how cobble looks? Oh, that's actually not too bad. Yeah, I can build a castle out of that. It'll look like a proper castle. If there's one thing the Irish know about its castles, we have a lot of them. It always amazes me when someone from another country visits and they're like amazed by a castle.  I see castles way better than this. Mmm, stolen apples. For some reason, they taste way better when they're stolen. Okay, I think we found a danger zone. And I don't really have enough torches, but I just realized mid-sentence that I can get this and make torches. Oh, God, I'm a genius. I am truly hardcore. I'm really freaking scared. Just so you're aware. Just so you know the last statement was not true at all. I lied to you to impress you and I hope it worked. Have you liked the video yet? Oh, I forgot I stole some iron too.   I know I've already said it, but like really to get the point across. Oh, a name tag! I feel like this is the luckiest world I've ever gotten, which means I'm probably gonna die any second now. This is why I'm so scared. Wait, where is this going?  It's just like I found a village that had diamond in it.  I don't know. It feels too good to be true. And in my experience, if something is too good to be true, you're about to get hit by a car. As weird as it sounds, it's making me a bit nervous that I'm not getting attacked as well. Like I'm expecting something to jump out on me.  Is that a slime? Or is that just like a zombie getting off down here?  You don't deserve to live anymore. What, you got a cobble fetish? I thought I was the only one. What is a slime?  I didn't even know they could spawn in places like this. Is this a good idea? I kind of regret everything. Immediately! Oh Jesus! I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Oh my God. Why was I so confident? Oh sweet Jesus. Oh God. I really want the slime though. I think you can make like leads and stuff. And for some reason, I know I'll need these. When I was playing in a normal mode, I know I was looking for some at some stage. I think pistons, which would be cool. Sticky pistons. And leads. I'm wondering if slimes are more common in Windows mode or something. Cause I like never find them in the Java edition. Again, it could just be extremely lucky. Like I'm starting to think this world is just blessed. Which is weird cause I'm so used to getting cursed things. Or at least blursed. Oh more bread. And an enchanted book. My inventory's full. I'm getting a little bit scared. 31 iron ore. That's good, that's good. A spider up here though. That not good.  He's poison. Can I run away? Oh God, I don't think I can run away. Where did I come in from? Oh sweet Jesus. Oh God, I'm running away. Alright, follow the torches. That has to lead me out of here. I think I should come back and explore here when I have better armor or something. There's too much at risk right now. All I want is cobble for now. I should just gather cobble and I'll be back with you in a moment. Unless something exciting or scary happens. Oh no, something exciting slash scary. But mainly scary is happening. Okay, that's just lava. Oh Jesus. Oh no, I don't like this. Do I have any iron? Can I make a bucket? I feel like this would be worth taking. God, that looks cool though. That looks so freaking cool. Alright, there we go. I got the lava. I gotta be careful with that. That could be how this all ends. I could easily kill myself. Oh God. It's just a bat. I'm so on edge. This is so fun though. I don't know.  Cause I know I could die at any second and lose everything. And also it's like, it feels different with the RTX on cause like all the shadows and stuff like that are spooking me. Someone right there. I'm out of here. I think I have enough for now. I gotta get out of here and set up a little base and get some armor on and stuff before I risk my life too many times. God, I went a long way. I actually did mine all this. I didn't go, oh, while you were gone, I gathered 300 stone. I actually dug it up. You know what that is folks? Integrity. Alright, I'm not like those other Minecraft YouTubers. Alright, I think I'm gonna build my castle here. I think it's a nice open space that I can just start building a wall.  I also have no idea how to stop spiders getting in. That's a big issue. Oh, well, that's unsatisfying. Okay, we've got some walls up. I think I'd like to have little towers in each corner and I'd like to have, you know, the wall. You know, the castle wall. I'm very good at words, which is why I speak for a living. Okay, I don't know how to use this enchanted book so I'm putting that away. Okay, we're gonna put some lava in there. Oh, that's a nice light.  All right, it is becoming night time. The sun is going down so we're going to go sleep in our other house for now. I've just started. I've got a diamond pick. I'm starting on my castle and I have a second home in the hills. Things are gone swimmingly. Okay, my second home is haunted. I cannot sleep in it. There's too many monsters lingering about it. There goes the neighborhood. Actually, I think you should be saying that when I joined the village. I haven't seen a villager since. Oh God. I hear danger. I'm running away. All right, morning. Great. And another farm to destroy. I just composted my food.  Why does everything bad happen to me? I say as I leave this village starved. I'm like, I wonder why I haven't seen any villagers since I joined as I take all of their food and resources. What? I didn't say I was going to stop. It's potatoes. I'm Irish. I can't help myself. There's a villager. He's probably judging me. He quickly turned away as soon as I pulled out my sword, though. Oh, no. Oh, no bees. Go away. Go away. I really don't want to die to a bee after all this. I'd be so upset. Honestly. Okay. Yeah, you can come in. It's nice to have a roommate. Come on in. I'll call you bones. You know, I think I've named a lot of things bones right now. All right. Let's make us a full set of iron armor. I don't have ever had this this early in the game before. Look at that. I'm still the default skin Steve, by the way. I wanted to get Jim Pickens as my skin as I have it in the normal Minecraft the Java version, but I couldn't figure it out and I was eager to play. Wait, Noah, did he get out?  I forgot there was an exit. All right. I'm going to live on potatoes for a while. It should be easy. It's pretty much what I do in real life. Some countries have like mandatory military service. We've mandatory live off potato service.  I'm 26 years in and there's no signs of stopping. This is going to be a pretty queen house. I just want like an actual place to live in and just be safe before we go building anything extravagant. All right. Look, villagers, I know I've stolen a lot from you and in light of that, I'm going to steal a bed as well. I mean, I've stolen so much. I really don't think it makes a difference at this point. I'm sure you'd agree. Ah, perfect. I don't have enough stone to finish the roof. Great. Well, look, we won't worry about that for now. It's still safe and that's the main thing I want right now. I can't tell if that's lava, too. That looks weird, but it could just be the lighting. I can get in my castle. Get away from me. Chicken do something. Okay. He just kind of accepted that he was going to die. Kind of like me at the start of this episode, but now I've grown too attached to what I've gathered. Look at that. Now that's looking pretty slick. We got a nice little place to chill and quarantine in. And I'm allowed to sleep immediately. This is a good sign. I probably should have seen how this looked before. I actually went and did it, but I made some oak planks to try and secure the base a bit. I'm really scared of a spider coming in. I want to make it out of stone. You know, I want to vary it up a little bit. And I think this will look quite nice and as well. It's the only thing I had. So it was very convenient. Okay. This isn't about style. Okay. Maybe it's a little bit about style, but it's mainly about survival. Survival of the fittest, they say, which doesn't bode well for me. I play video games a lot. Okay. There we go. We got a little overhang all the way around now. That's something. Okay. This looks kind of nice, actually. And then we can build our little wall all the way around or maybe just leave it like that. I don't know. I can't be wrong. If it looks ugly, it's the comments fault. Oh, that is lava. Okay. That's good to know. Oh, there's a drowned there. Oh, I have to do something about that pool. I don't like it. We can pour lava over it or something just to get rid of it. I don't like drowned. They kill me a lot. Honestly, I could make this into a two story and just have it like kind of a narrow house going upwards because I'll get a better view and I'll feel safer and feels kind of scary going inside because the lighting makes it look very dark when you're outside in comparison. And I'm like, can stuff spawn in here, but then you come in with windows and stuff like that though. It looks way too dank. You don't want a quarantine in a place without windows. I think you'd go a bit insane. You know what? Now that I think about it, I think iron doors would be a good shout as well. So nothing could get in or out. And I could have a back door and a front door. How many potatoes can one guy eat? Just raw potatoes straight out the ground. I think our Minecraft character is somehow more Irish than me. Okay. We've got a little farm. I think I'll make like the infinite water resource into a little well somewhere. I essentially want everything to be self-sufficient like these little walls. I'll definitely expand out the walls more as we go, but right now we've enough space to do the little bits and bobs that we need to. But I think we've done enough for one day. God, I enjoyed this. I enjoy making videos. I really, really enjoy making videos. I had this discussion recently, and I was even saying if I made no money at all, like from anything or surrounding making videos, I would still be making them. Probably wouldn't be able to do them as frequent because, I mean, you also need to survive and you need money, but I would still be making them. I fecking love doing what I do, but this has been the most fun I've had in a long time making a video, so I hope you enjoyed it. I never really asked for this usually, but if you enjoyed, please do leave a like or a comment, just leaving your support and allowing me to continue doing these, I guess, because if there is support, I'd be happy to do more of them, and hopefully we can have a proper little go at doing a hardcore survival let's play, but let me know. Let me know what you want to see. But for now, the sun sets on this episode. I do hope you enjoyed this episode. I appreciate you watching, as always. I hope you're staying safe given the state of the world right now. That's the main concern, I suppose, and yeah, thanks for watching. I hope to see you next time. Bye for now.


Look, I get it. I understand the chances of it happening are less than slim. I know it's most likely not gonna go down, but EDC, hit me out, man. If you got anything left, anything left, because I know you like pulling these tricks and whatnot.  Anyway, we know it's probably not gonna go down. But, so team can be clean. DeAndre Hopkins, this dude got to be the the most chill receiver that I've ever seen have an interview. He was on the I Am Athlete podcast, and he was interviewed by Brandon Marshall and Ashley Nicole Moss. And it was an interesting interview. And one thing I appreciated like from Jump, he talked about protecting his energy because, excuse me, not DeAndre Hopkins, Brandon Marshall and Ashley, they were asking him, like, hey, you don't really do many interviews. We don't really hear from you like that. And I was thinking like, well, yeah, that's true. We don't really hear from DeAndre Hopkins that often. We hear about him. We hear about all these reports and whatnot, but we don't really hear from him directly too often. And he said that's because his mom told him a long time ago, like, go to where, I think he said to where you're needed, not wanted, something like that. And I was thinking, well, hey, as much as Ravens, we could have needed you and wanted you. But anyway, no, I appreciated that because he talked about just, you can't be everywhere. And not everywhere is really gonna appreciate your presence like that. I was thinking, oh, that's very, very true. That was a really good point. So they started it off really nice, but of course, you know, Brandon Marshall and even Ashley, they were asking some good questions, but it got to talking about what's happening with DeAndre Hopkins. They asked him about him training in Arizona and whatnot. They talked about like what's been happening as far as the trade rumors, how he feels about it. And I appreciated it because he acknowledged it. He said, hey, it's a business. It is a business. He didn't take it personally, anything like that. And he named some teams that had, he had confirmed called the Cardinals about him. He named the Beals specifically and the Patriots specifically. So he addressed that and I appreciated it, but listening to the interview, to me it seemed like he was very non-committal to the Cardinals. Very, very non-committal to the Cardinals. There were some times when he did mention the Cardinals, mentioned some players on the team and he like used the phrase like we, but he was still very non-committal. He didn't really sound like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get back to the Cardinals. I'm gonna be with the Cardinals to see how I can't wait. Because if you remember, I take you back like maybe like a month and change ago to where obviously all the rumors about DeAndre Hopkins being traded was going crazy, as y'all know. But then I think it was right after the draft. It was either right before, right after the draft where there was a video. He was like, who said I want to go somewhere? Who said I wanted to leave? So then it was like, oh, DeAndre kind of put everything to rest, but in this interview, I think you walk everything back up, in my opinion. So again, watch it for yourself so you can see. But anyway, he was also asked about one Lamar Jackson. Because we all heard the reports and rumors and all that that Lamar Jackson asked for both him and Odell Beckham Jr. But he was asked how he felt about Lamar Jackson and how it would have been to playing with Lamar Jackson. And let's just listen to what he had to say about Lamar Jackson. He also got thrown into the mix during Lamar and then that Baltimore saga again. And it was reported that you and Odell Beckham were two names that Lamar threw out there and said, if you guys want to make me happy and you want me back. That would have made us happy too. He got Odell. The Baltimore Ravens reportedly said we can't afford to get you both in a perfect world if you were able to make that situation work. Would you, would that be intriguing to you? Did you hear about Lamar's request? I love Lamar Jackson. I do too. Lamar Jackson is one of my favorite athletes. Mine too. Since I've been watching sports, I'm a sports fan. So I was watching Lamar when he played Clemson, my alum now. And I was like, who is this kid? So I've been a fan of Lamar for a long time. So, you know, obviously he's one of the greatest.  Or, you know, with Tom Brady, I was like, I want to play with Tom Brady. I'm a receiver.  That's right. You want to play, you want to play with some of the best quarterbacks. You know, this up there and Lamar is obviously one of those. All right. Now I really appreciated that. And I feel like DeAndre Hopkins, like he was being very careful with his words in this interview. Cause Brandon Marshall brought up a really good point, which happens all the time. He talked about later on in an interview how people can take a clip. They can take one little quick soundbite or something that he says from the interview and they can take it and they can run with it. And they may not have the full context. So you may not get the full meaning. So DeAndre Hopkins was extremely careful with his words. He did not want to say the wrong thing. Didn't not want to say anything that would offend anybody or that would sound too controversial, anything like that. But when he was asked about Lamar Jackson, I feel like it was cool. He gave a nice answer that he would be honored to play with a quarterback like Lamar Jackson. And then he spoke about Lamar Jackson later on in the interview as well. But what I really appreciated about that part right there is that when he mentioned it being an honor if he would have been able to play with Lamar Jackson at some point in his career, he didn't do it in Tom Brady. And to me, what it seemed like to me is that like those are some guys, and I mean, he mentioned Tom Brady as somebody he would have wanted to play a receiver for. But to mention Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady in the same answer, in the same response. I'm not saying Lamar Jackson is Tom Brady. Obviously, I mean, nobody's Tom Brady, nobody accomplished even like half of what Tom Brady done accomplished in the league. But and now he got what he own part of the Raiders now. I was like, man, he just, he just can't get away from Jimmy Garoppolo, man. Leave him alone, Tom. Anyway, for the Andre Hopkins to mention Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady in his response, to me, I thought that was special. Maybe I'm taking too much from it. I don't know, but I just, I thought that was significant in my opinion. Now, as some other points to the interview, he was also asked about his top five, top five, top five. Like, what quarterbacks would you want to be catching some passes from? Who would it be? His first answer took him a little bit, but then he said, Josh Allen. Josh Allen, so okay, I'll get it. Then he said, Jalen Hertz. He brought up Patrick Mahomes Brandon Marsh was like, oh yeah, of course. And then he was like, but this next guy, this next guy is very underrated. A lot of people sleeping on him and whatnot as a quarterback and as a passer, that's Lamar Jackson. So the thing is like, it's one thing if you're asked directly about a player, like Ashley asked him earlier, hey, you heard all the stuff where Lamar said he wanted O'Dell Beckham Jr. and you and that would have made him happy. So he was asked directly about Lamar Jackson then. So it's like, all right, he answered directly. His response was a response directly about Lamar Jackson. But in this question, he was just asked, hey, who are five quarterbacks that you would want to catch passes from? And he named four other ones. So he didn't have to say Lamar Jackson. He didn't have to bring up Lamar Jackson's name at all, but he did. So that's when for me, like with the Tom Brady thing, that made it real for me. But then with this, with him doubling down on Lamar Jackson and throwing him in there again, he didn't have to, wasn't asked directly about him. I was like, oh, okay, De'Andre. Hey, EDC, like, look, man, if team keeping clean, if we come together, we all like, we do a little GoFundMe or something to try to fund De'Andre Hopkins in his contract or something. Maybe we could come up with a good $343. And we can send that to EDC and try to make something happen. But so EDC, just let me know, please do, just in case. But anyway, now something else that he was asked about, what would he be looking for if he were to go to a new team? So I'm like, ma'am, he's answering these questions. And again, very non-committal to the Cardinals in this interview, very non-committal. He brought up the new GM and whatnot, the new regime that they have at the Cardinals. And he talked about how, like, it's a business with a new regime, it's new coaches and whatnot. But he said that what he would want would be stable management. And then he said, I haven't had that the last couple of years. Now, while that's true, and I appreciate the straightforwardness, again, that's a big thing to say about your team. Non-committal to the Cardinals. That's what I took from this interview. So after this interview, I'm like, man, I don't think he gonna be there no more. He ain't like take no, well, I mean, he didn't really take no shots at the organization now because, again, they do have a new regime. So he was talking about the previous regime. But again, he said he wanted stable management. I think Baltimore, pretty stable, I would say. He want a QB who loves the game. Now this part too, I'm like, man, the idea, Andre, you pushing in now, my friend. Because when he said that he wanted a QB that loved the game, and he talked about, what he said, oh, when he talked about Kyle Murray, because he said, oh, right now, my quarterback is, he said, I'm paraphrasing, but he was saying this quarterback is Colt McCoy. And he said that he played with a lot of quarterbacks, played with a lot of subpar quarterbacks too, so he can get it done with anybody. But he said that Kyle Murray does love the game. He said that Kyle Murray loves the game and he loves it so much. He said Kyle Murray loves the game just as much as he does. He said that they, with their love of the game, because of their love of the game. That's why he feels like they butted heads a couple of times and whatnot. But he said Kyle Murray's got that love, but he said right now Kyle Murray is injured. So basically saying that that's not his quarterback right now. And it was just really weird because normally, even if a quarterback is injured, especially it's off season, like season ain't even started yet. It'd be one thing if we was in the middle of the season and he would say, oh, like Kyle Murray, that's not my quarterback because he is hurt, right? But this is the off season.  Oh yeah, when Kyle is back, or Kyle, that's my quarterback Kyle Murray, that's cool. And he did give Kyle his respect and whatnot as accolades and all that good stuff and praise and whatnot. But I just thought it was just a little strange when he did that. Again, listen to the interview for yourself.  Defense is help. They certainly help. But yeah, you got to score points too. But yeah, it's a good, you need a good combination of both. But he did talk about, where he felt like the Cardinals, they got a good defense right now. And Brandon Marshall was like, hold up, ain't Baker just, Buddha Baker just export trade? But the other half was like, hey, he's still on the rise as far as I know. And I said, okay, DeAndre, I see you. But with those things, like the things that DeAndre Hopkins named, you can find all those things with Baltimore Rangers. A stable management, they're pretty stable. A QB who loves the game. I would say Lamar Jackson got a lot of love for the game. A great defense because defense wins championships.  I mean, if I ain't gonna have it no more, and now unless, because Brandon Marshall, he talked about this. He said, when he's with the Jets, he said there was talks about him being traded, but he said he talked to management and whatnot. And I was like, hey, just release me. Just release me so I can do this on my own. I can find my next team and whatnot. Now, if that happened with DeAndre Hopkins, then I'm just, just putting it out there. Ravens could come up with their own contract for DeAndre Hopkins and throw him in. But anyway, it's probably not gonna happen. It probably ain't gonna happen, but still. But anyway, this was a fun interview to listen to. I appreciated it. I loved it. And, oh, the other quarterback who DeAndre Hopkins' name was Justin Herbert. But this is how I can tell DeAndre Hopkins is so chill. Because this dude, he called, he said, oh, the guy in the quarterback for the San Diego, over there in San Diego for the Chargers. I said, you like me? Slipping up and still calling him San Diego? They done moved to Los Angeles, what, two, three years ago on, or how long it's been. But yeah, it was tough getting rid of San Diego Chargers, getting rid of saying that name, getting that out of your vocabulary. What, DeAndre Hopkins, you in the NFL, you in the league, and still calling him San Diego Charter? Hey, I love it. I love it, because that, again, that just showed how chill he was to me. But anyway, I'm excited to see where DeAndre Hopkins ends up going. If I had to guess, right, especially right now, after the draft and everything, I really thought it was gonna be the Ravens, but that obviously they ain't looking like it's going down. I don't think that he probably ends up on the Bills. I don't think he goes over to the Bills. Now, would that be what Stefan did? Staying or going, I think it would be with him staying. I think Bills would find a way. So, but we'll see, we'll see. We won't know till we know. But I love y'all team, keep it clean. I appreciate you all. And like DeAndre Hopkins is going to be soon. When that, well, in my opinion, would I think he'll be soon when it comes to being a member of the Arizona Cardinals? We out.


J-E-L-L-O! The Jell-O program starring Jack Benny with Mary Livingston and Phil Harris and his orchestra. The orchestra opens a program with hallelujah from hit to deck. Just a few more days now before we see the old year out and before we usher in the new. Just a few more days to decide on your new year resolutions. And if you haven't yet discovered what a wonderfully useful truly delicious dessert Jell-O is, I hope you'll make a resolution to try it for 1937. You can serve Jell-O in 101 different ways. You'll find each one of them exceptionally enjoyable. For Jell-O not only brings variety to your main use, it also brings the grand refreshing taste of fresh fruit. Because all six of Jell-O's famous flavors, strawberry, raspberry, and cherry, orange, lemon, and lime come from real ripe fruit. So for better tasting, more satisfying desserts throughout the new year, serve Jell-O and serve it often. But remember there is only one Jell-O and only Jell-O brings you that extra rich fruit flavor. When you want Jell-O, be sure you get the real thing. Always insist on genuine Jell-O from hit to deck. And now, ladies and gentlemen, Christmas being over, we are left with broken ornaments, tattered tinsel, burned out bulbs, and Jack Benny. Hello again, this is Jack Benny talking, a fugitive from an ash can. Well, Don, you can say anything you want her today. I'm in a holiday mood and nothing can upset me. Not even that Christmas tie you're wearing. Well, it is a little loud, isn't it? A little loud. Don, you could spill any one of those six delicious flavors on it and they'd never show. You should have gotten smoked glasses with it. Oh, it isn't that bad, Jack. Why don't you exchange it? I can't. My wife gave it to me. Oh, your wife gave it to you? Would she squawk? Would she? She's louder than the tides. Well, then you are in a spot you just have to grin and wear it. Now tell me, Jack, did you get a lot of nice presents this year? Well, yes, in a way. Mary gave me a silk muffler. My sister, Florence, sent me a woolen muffler. And then I got some assorted mufflers from my Aunt Molly. Oh, that's all. Oh, yes. In fact, my neck had a very merry Christmas. I wish I were a giraffe so I could wear all my presents. That's an idea. Now, what did you get from your dad? Well, my father, he gave me a checkbook and a fountain pen. Touching, isn't it, Don? Oh, yes, very. I'm sending him a muffler. But you know, Don, the only problem I had was picking out a gift for Mary. Oh, is that so? Yes, I didn't know what to do. I was going to... I don't know, it takes so long to have it made up. So I bought her some handkerchief. Oh, I see. Yeah, you can get those made up pretty quick. But you know, Don, of all the presents I got, the one I like best is that beautiful watch Phil Harris gave me. It is lovely. So that reminds me, Jack, Phil's late again tonight. I think he should have got himself a watch.  He's my pal, and don't be talking behind his back. What'd you use to? Now, furthermore, if he comes in late, that's his business. I get it. Yeah. Hello, Jack. Hi, Kenny. Hey, how do you like this pretty necktie my girl knitted for me? Well, it's very nice. It's the first tie I've ever seen with sleeves on it. It is the craziest-looking thing. Well, she started out to knit a sweater, but changed her mind. That's a pretty stick pin you've got in it, too. That's the needle. She forgot to take it out. What else did you get, Kenny? Gee, I got one swell present. What was it? A pajama coat with two pair of pants. What? No vest? No. No, I'm pretty rugged. Oh, good. Now, you're the type who can take it. Hello, Jack. Hello, Mary. Hello, Don. Hello, Mary. Hello, Dope. Hello. What have you got there, Mary? A letter for my mother. She had a wonderful Christmas, Jack. She did, huh? Well, read it to us. Your mother's always good for a laugh. Okay. Yeah. Plainfield, New Jersey, Saturday, December 26. My dear daughter, Mary. No laughs yet. Well, it takes my little time to get hot. Oh, I see. Well, go ahead. Just in line to let you know that we are all well and had a wonderful Christmas. I got a lot of beautiful presents. Your father gave me a washing machine with a built-in radio. Isn't he thoughtful? Right now, I'm waltzing through your father's underwear. While Bing Crosby is singing, soap gets in your eyes. Well, well. Sunday night, I am going to wash father's socks and listen to Jack. That's nice that she might have mentioned me before the socks. Quiet. There's been a lot of excitement at the house lately. Your Uncle Herman was here for Christmas dinner. He arrived July 3rd. I guess he wanted to be sure and get a seat. Your brother, Hillard, is home for the holidays from Barber College. Oh.  Some trouble? Your Uncle says that as soon as Hillard comes down from the Christmas tree, he is going to give him a once-over with a baseball bat. Well, I don't blame him, huh? I forgot to tell you in my last letter that Junior had a stop-taking piano lesson. Oh. The teacher couldn't tell when his fingers were on the black keys.  Oh. No more news at present, except your father just came in and wants me to be sure of it. He's going to give him a once-over with a baseball bat. Well, I don't blame him, huh? Your father just came in and wants me to be sure to thank Jack for the Musclery Phantom. Oh, that's all right, Mary. Tell him that. I love to everybody and a happy new year from your mother, Mrs. Livingston. Well, that was a very nice letter. Oh, Mary, when you answer your mother, will you ask her if she topped off their Christmas dinner with jello? Oh, wait a minute. Here's a P.S. Funny you didn't see it before. It was under a blot. Tell Don Wilson not to worry because your father always asks for the big red letters on the box even though he can't read. Hear that, Don?  Oh, shucks. Now I won't have fun to laugh to the next number. Say, Kenny, as long as my pal Phil isn't here yet, you'll have to go into your song now. Gee, Jack, I'm not supposed to sing until later. Well, Phil isn't here. You'll have to sing now. But I'm not ready yet. Oh, you're not, eh? Well, you'll sing before I count ten. One, two, three, four, five, six... Here he comes. Ready or not? Try to put a fast one on. Oh, proper and polite upon this lovely night we sit here making foolish conversations let's be ourselves tonight and take a shining bride to the swing of it. You are so beautiful. sung by Kenny Baker, accompanied by the Phil Harris organization without their sterling leader at the helm. Has Phil arrived yet, Don? No. Are you going to ball out, Phil, for being late? Ball him out? Yes, like he used to before he bought you that watch. Well, that watch has nothing to do with our renewed friendship. I've always liked Phil. Of course, there were times when we didn't see things in the same life, but then there are two sides to every watch. I mean question. And furthermore, I don't want any more references to the present Phil gave me. Is that clear? Yes, and what time is it? Don't be so smart. What's the matter, Kenny? My new necktie tickles me under the arms. Jellogram for Tach-Bennie. Right here, son, and stick to your own racket. Who's it from, Jack? Well, wait till I open it. What is this, a cheese cloth envelope? Better get glasses, that was your shirt. Oh, hey, fellas, here's a lovely New Year's wire from New York. It says, here's wishing you and your gang a very happy New Year. Signed Fred Allen, Phil Baker, Stoopnagle and Budd, Jessica Dragonette, Rubinoff and his violin, Jack Pearl, the Easy Aces, Benny Rubin, and the Hall Johnson Choir. Isn't that sweet? See, they must have all chipped in to send the wire. Yeah. I wonder who swung the deal. I'm surprised Edwin didn't get his name in there. He didn't have to. You just mentioned it. That's right. Hey, Jack, here comes Phil now. Well, hello, Philzie. Hiya, pal. Hello, Jack. I'm terribly sorry I'm late again, but I forgot I was on the Jell-O program. Oh, that's all right, Phil. That could happen to anybody. Gee, if it was me, I'd bet I'd get bowled out. Hey, wait a minute, Kenny. Phil admitted he was late, didn't he? That's what I like about him. He shows character. Thanks, Jack. Phil tells the truth. I hold him in the same high esteem as I do George Washington. Did he give you a watch, too? Oh, yes. By the way, Phil, I want to thank you again for that beautiful watch you gave me. I've shown it to everybody. Do you see it, Kenny? Yeah. You saw it down, didn't you? Oh, sure did. Gee, I've been showing it around like this all week. Oh, boy.  He won't if he keeps up the payment. Well, he will. I'm not worried about that. Say, palsy. You know, I feel quite embarrassed about the present I gave you last Sunday. See that curling iron? You know, just a little oldy curling iron. What'd you do? What'd you do with it, Phil? Oh, it's swell. I gave it to my cook to make pretzels. Well, that's a new twist. Ooh. Well, anyway, I do want to make up for it, so I got another gift for you. Here it is, Phil, a beautiful muffler. Oh, thanks, Jack, but you didn't have to do that. Oh, it's okay. Mmm, and a card, too. Merry Christmas from Aunt Molly. Oh, give me that, Phil. Wait a minute. I got mixed up with them. I'm sorry. I just sort of got mixed up there. Well, anyway, it's about time for a number. What are you going to play? Anything you say, Jackie? No, no, Phil. It's your orchestra and your choice. Well, would you like to hear a fine romance? Would I? So he fills it out to be ideal. Ain't love grand. Yeah. See, I hope he asked me over to his house for pretzels. That's played by Phil Harris and his orchestras.   Did you take baton lessons long? No, Jack, I just picked it up. Well, you'd never believe it. It's amazing, really. It's my turn for compliments now, Jackie. Yeah. You know, I saw the preview of your new Paramount picture college holiday. Oh, did you? How did you like me as a college boy? Well, Jack, but you look so young. I did, huh? The old gray hair ain't what it used to be. Oh, you used all the picture too, eh, Mary? Yeah. How'd you like my performance in it? Do you really want to know? No. And now, ladies and gentlemen... We are going to continue... Go away, Mary. We are going to continue with our... We are going to continue with our original western stereo, Buck Benny Rides Again, or Boy Meets Hort. Again, I will play the part of Sheriff Buck Benny, as tough an ombre has ever held up a pair of socks with a garter snake. Quicks it on you tonight, boys. A rootin', tootin', hootin', shootin'. You said it. We are still hot on the trail of Cactus Face Elmer, the outlaw who stole Frank Carson's cow. The scene opens in the office of the Sheriff of Cactus County. The time is 11.30 p.m. New Year's Eve. But don't set your watches, folks. It's only in the play. Curtains. Music. Da-da-da-da-boom. There's the phone, Sheriff. There's the phone, Sheriff. Thanks, boys. Only I could have figured that out myself. Hello, Sheriff's Office.  What's the trouble? Someone stole your telephone? What are you talkin' on now? Oh, you never thought of that, eh? Well, think of it. Goodbye. Hmm, must be celebrating a little early.  Are you gonna let the prisoners out for the night? Don't have to. Let them out last year. They ain't back yet. I don't even trust your own crooks anymore. Not here. Why, Deputy Baker, what's the matter? That dirt mech tie is a ticklin' again. For a minute, I thought it was cactus-based. Now, listen, Baker, I sent you out on this trail a week ago to get back those stolen cows. You find any clues? I found one. What was it? A pint of milk on my doorstep. Well, that's very good evidence. Mark that exhibit, eh? I can't. I drank it already. Hmm, a pint of beauty. Say, but, you know we're all invited over to Daisy Carson's house tonight to see the old year out. That's right. A better pappy will be celebrating plenty. He's been down to Ike Muller's saloon all week rehearsing. I saw him last night on Main Street. Yeah, where was he laying? Right by the fire plug.  Do you do anything about it? I give him a ticket. Well, you've seen your duty and you tagged it. Come on, boys. Let's get over to Carson. Don't want to miss the festivity. Hey, Wilson, untie my horse and that microphone. Untie it yourself. Don't get snooty to beauty or I'll shooty. Ouch! Let's go. I can put a little gin in there, oh. Well, gal, you're never mind. Let it go. Daisy, there's some Christmas tree you've got there. It sure is all lit up. That's pasted. The tree's in the other room. Happy New Year. Same to you, Buck. Well, it looks like the old year will be passing out pretty soon. If it don't hurry up, pappy'll beat it. Well, I ain't missed her yet.  You hang up your sarkens? Sure did, Buck. What was in them in the morning? I was. I forgot to take them all. Where? Well, come in the car. I'll buck where the crowd is. Okay, Daisy. My boys will be in in just a minute. Hey, Daisy, I see you hired a band for tonight. Yep, I got the taxa center, society, syncopate, and serenade, or six-piece orchestrate. That's a nice tuxedo there, wearer. The one with the shoes on is the leader. Well, reckon you can be hi-hat once a year. Hello, Buck. Glad to see you. Well, Sheriff Andy Devine, you old horn told you. How you been, Andy? Fine, Buck. And by the way, I want to thank you for that nice blanket you sent me. Blanket? That was a muffler. Well, my horse will never know the difference. Reckon, you're right. Well, Buck, I got a little present for you, too. I brought it with me. Well, thanks, Andy. What is it? What do you got there? Well, it's one of them newfangled alarm clocks. It's the latest invention. It is? Mm-hmm. Yep, and instead of ringing you in the morning, it nudges you. Well, that's my to consider it. Thanks, Andy. Thanks. Oh, you're welcome, Buck. What was that? There goes Pappy's jug. Well, well, that's too bad. That Reckon will all be seeing him next year. Say, Buck, do you want something to eat? No mind of a do, Flora Belle. Well, try one of these sandwiches. They're the latest thing in Hollywood. Yeah, what's in them? Salmon, salmon. Well, I'll fit on that one. Yes, sir? Here, Buck, have some time. Thanks, easy. Hey, what's this women around in it? Doggone, I told Pappy not to mix it in the goldfish bowl. Say, Daisy, now that you've got a band here, how about little music, fellas, and some singing? Yeah. Come on, all take turns. You started, Daisy. Okay. How about you, Pappy, get up and sing. I can sing her from down here. All right, boys, strike number two. Come on, fellas, swing it. When trouble troubles you, sing, baby, sing.  Yeah, get it, get it. When cold is ready, but there's weep, weep, weep. Yes, sir.  I'll start a swing while you sing, baby, sing. Take it, Pappy. Your next, Pappy, rise to the floor. When trouble troubles you, sing, baby, sing. Yes, Pappy. Do like the birdies do, sing, baby, sing. When cold winter comes and they're all out of ground, the poor little birdies say, eat me. But they're sweet, sweet, sweet. Take it, Deputy Wilson.  A dish of jello a day. Oh, he came back. Keep me, old Mr. Gloom, away. Everybody likes jello with those certain flavors. So swing while you eat, baby. Take it, Andy. Your next, Andy. Take it. When trouble troubles you, sing, baby, sing. Do like the birdies do, sing, baby, sing. When cold winter comes and they're all out of ground, the poor little birdies say, eat me. But they're sweet, sweet. What happened is new, yes. In 1937, I want to wish you all health, wealth, and prosperity. That I'm running for sheriff again this year. So am I. Stick to your own county, Andy. All right. Cross the post to Frank Carson. Hey, it's for you, Frank. Chuck it down here. Well, well, what a beautiful cow hide traveling bag. Are those your initials on it, Frank? No, that's the brand of my cattle. It is? Yeah, look, there's a note on it, Buck. Who's it from? Well, it's from Captain Frank Delmer. Captain Frank Delmer? Read it, Andy. Dear Frank, here's a Christmas present made from the hide of one of your own cows that I stole. A happy New Year to you and nuts to Buck Benny. I hope they're walnuts. I love them. Where's the postmark from, Andy? Red Guz Canyon. Red Guz Canyon, eh? That's where his hideout is. Well, New Year's are no New Year's. I'm going to get them this time, boys. And I'm going to bring them back dead or alive. Buck Benny rides again. Sunday night, will Buck get cacti's face? Will Pappy get off the floor? Andy, be on our program? Listen in next Sunday night. Remember, same time, same place. And same plot. Play ball. Common years may go, but the popularity of chocolate pudding goes on forever. Everybody likes it. And when it's jello chocolate pudding, it's even better like than before, because jello chocolate pudding tastes the way your grandmother's puddings used to taste. It's smoother, creamier, more chocolaty, and as simple as ABC to make. Just mix the contents of a package of jello chocolate pudding with some milk in the top of your double boiler, and after about 10 minutes, the mixture will be thick and luscious, satin smooth. Then let it cool, and you're all ready to serve a grand chocolate pudding, mellow with the rich homemade flavor that everyone loves so well. Don't let another day pass without ordering some jello chocolate pudding. It sells for the same low price as jello, and there's enough in one package for six delicious servings. And if your grocer hasn't any jello chocolate pudding in stock, be sure he orders it for you. That was the last number of the first team program in the new jello series. Teddy, partner, and we'll be with you again next Sunday night at the same time. Whoa, Teddy, partner, and once more, you will hear Buck Benny rides again. Sorry, folks, it just fell off my horse. I didn't think it was that funny. Good night, folks. Tonight is young, and you are so beautiful, is from Casa Maniano. The jello program comes to you from Hollywood over the red network of the National Broadcasting Company. AFI Los Angeles.


Hello and let's talk about the blooming stock markets. Almost every important international agency is predicting grave times ahead for the global economy. The IMF says that global growth for the year will be at minus 4.9% and the International Labour Organization says that 305 million jobs have been lost globally. India is following these global trends too. We see this both in media reports, in research reports and in the day-to-day realities of our lives. When losing jobs, businesses are shutting down, manufacturing isn't the doldrums. And worst of all, there is no sign of the pandemic relenting. Amid all of this, surprisingly the stock market continues to do well. Some weeks ago, we discussed this issue of the stock market on the show and this positive trend continues. According to a report in Indian Express, the Sensex has gained 40% since March 23rd. So how is this happening? Who is investing? And what does this mean for the markets in India as a whole? We talked to journalist Anindu Chakravarti to find out. Thank you Anindu for joining us. So a couple of weeks ago, we did talk about the stock market itself, the fairly unique and strange situation of the stock market doing very well, even as economies all around the world are banking, so to speak. And that trend about the economies continues. But let's talk a bit more about what this implies and you also written about it. So to begin with, the key question, just for some setting context once again, does the same reasons stick for the stock market continuing to rise as in why are people continuing to invest in them and who are these people in the first place? So obviously most of the people, you know, there are about four crore DP accounts in India. DP accounts are accounts that you need to invest in the stock market, out of which the last data that was available says that 75% are dormant, they're inactive. So which means that about one crore DP accounts are active. Amongst them, now one crore DP accounts means less than one percent of India's population. So in some cases it would be two DP accounts within a single family and maybe there would be some double DP accounts. I mean, a person might have DP with two separate accounts and one is dormant. So in any case, let's say one crore active DP account. But broadly, if you look at households, I would say not more than 1.5% of India's population because the rich would have two or three DP accounts in a single family. That's very likely. Now the point is this tells us that we know that if we look at the last available income tax data that those who earn more than about 2 lakh rupees a month, which is taxable income in terms of household income would account for about I would say 0.5% to 0.4% to 0.5% of India's total population in terms of households. Again that means that it's just the top 1% who own 73% of all wealth who are investing right now. Now you would wonder where are they getting the money when everything has been shut down the economies in such a terrible situation. It is true that the rich have been affected in this lockdown. Money flow has been affected. Many people who have businesses, their businesses aren't running, they're shut, CFOs, CXOs, CEOs, top management in corporate sector, big financial sector people, they have had pay cuts, significant pay cuts, maybe their bonuses have been held back. Even if you look at that, they have massive amounts of savings already, assets, property. So many have two, three homes from which at least two out of them get them rent. So they have this monthly rent flow which comes in. Many have loads of cash in fixed deposits. So they earn interest every month from that. They have bonds, they have stock investments which give them dividends. So there is a continuous flow of money which comes in from their financial assets and from their property. Even if they don't have an actual income flow coming from productive assets. They have that money. Now across the world, we know what has happened is that the rich are saving more. Why? Because this is the time when people go for their foreign holidays and they spend lakhs of rupees on that. They haven't spent any of that money. They're sitting with them. They haven't gone out to their 5-star hotel, favorite 5-star hotel to eat and spend 10,000, 320,000 rupees in a single meal. They haven't thrown lavish parties which with catering would run into run bills of lakhs of rupees. So all that money is being saved. It is additional savings. So across the world, the rich are spending less, earning less, spending less and saving more. What can they do with these financial assets? We know Prashant that across the world, central banks have made it easier to borrow for businesses. This is the dogma of neoliberalism, we know, that reduce interest rates as much as possible. Apparently, if you reduce interest rates, people will borrow and this will read to massive productivity. We know that this doesn't necessarily happen. There are external reasons for why investments take place. Now what does that mean? That means that anyone who saves their money in a long-term deposit in a bank isn't getting good returns. I think that fixed deposits now fetch you about five and a half percent beyond a year. They are taxable, your returns are taxable. So if you're in the highest income bracket, which the rich people would be, then after deducting tax, you'll get three and a half percent. That is, Prashant, less than inflation right now. So you can imagine what that means. That means that you'd rather spend it today than save it because it's less than inflation in your return. That is what is pushing a lot of these additional savings into the stock markets. So the key question here is that does this stock, this is spending in the stock market count is some form of investment as well, in the sense that we traditionally understand investment because a lot of the discussion around the economic situation has been about how the people are not able to spend. Of course, we're talking about the middle classes and the lower middle classes more. But in terms of the larger economy itself, does this actually mark a sign of people spending or is it something else? In my opinion, it's a sign of a complete lack of faith and hope in the economy. It's pure sign of uncertainty. Why? Because let's take two sets of data here. What we call market turnover is the total transactions buying and selling that is taking place in the market. So if you add market turnover, and this is data presented by my friend Prashant Nair on CNBC TV18, essentially what you see is that market turnover in June has gone up sharply. If you take the average of January to May, then compared to that June market turnover is about 52% more. 86 odd percent of that market turnover, if I remember correctly, is from individual rich people, high net worth individuals, individual DP accounts, and small brokerages. Total investment in early July is now just about 14% of the total market turnover, which means that no one is actually investing for the long term. Simultaneously, let's take May versus June, Prashant. I talked about market turnover. In June, market turnover went up by 37% compared to May. That means number of transactions have gone up significantly, and the value of those transactions have gone up significantly. But money flowing into equity mutual funds, which is mutual funds which invest in stock markets, went down by 95%. Why? Because people took out their money from mutual funds. They redeemed it. Redemptions in equity mutual funds went up by 75% compared to May, which means that people have no faith in the future. They don't want their money locked up. They don't want to give it to a fund manager. They don't have faith in the long term economy. They don't have faith in fund managers. So they're basically taking out their cash. They're saying, let me have this cash with me. I'll try and do my best to earn whatever I can. I'll earn it by trading. Here's another important point to look at, which is deliveries. Now what is a delivery? In the old days, if you bought a stock, Prashant, then this was before, I think, the late 90s or early 2000s. If you bought a share, then you essentially got a piece of paper. It said that you have got so many, it's a share certificate, right? And many people saved those share certificates and passed it on over generations. And much later, you saw that, okay, I'm pretty rich because my grandfather bought some shares. I mean, some lucky people, unfortunately, I'm not one of those. But now everything is dematerialized. Share markets actually moved to electronic medium pretty early. So this is why it's called a DMAT account, right? But you still get a share certificate when you buy it. When you get that share certificate, it means that share has been delivered to you from the previous owner. This is called delivery. Now when you take delivery, when you want to keep that share, you want to see that money grow. And then when you sell it, you'll have to hand over that share certificate. Delivery moves on to someone else. So when we look at the percentage of delivery, it gives us a sense as to how many people are trading in the short term. They're buying a share, looking at the price, when the price goes up, they're selling it. They're not actually looking at the underlying business at all. Deliveries right now in June were at 15% of the total number of shares being bought, 15%. If 100 shares were being bought, only 15 were being, delivery was being taken by people. Now this is the lowest in the last 17 years. I just looked at the data on NSE. This is National Stock Exchange, which is the massive volume, most of the volume right now. This is the lowest since 2003 March, that is 17 years. Even in March, National Stock Exchange delivery was close to 21%. So when the markets have gone up by 40%, deliveries have gone down sharply to just 15%. That tells you very clearly that people are speculating. They're using it as a gambling space. Rich people are putting in money, when it rises, they're selling it, they're quickly selling it, they're coming out, which is why you're seeing these market fluctuations take place so quickly and so fast as well. No, please wait. No, I'm just saying it's a clear sign that the people feel that we don't know what's going to happen. Exactly. Let me keep my money. Why should I hand it over to someone? We know what happened to the Franklin Templeton credit funds. They crash. That money is not coming back to people for the next four or five years. That is the estimate being made. So people are saying we don't want to hand it over to the next part. I don't care. Let that expert be an expert. I'll make my money as much as possible right now and if I can't, I'll get out as quickly as possible. I'm not going to sit there, watch my money drop from a sensex level or a nifty level of 12,500 odd to crash to 8,000. I don't want that to happen. I don't want someone else to hold my money. As soon as it starts to fall, I'm going to get out. I'm going to keep my money around me as close as possible. And we have talked about what Richard is doing clearly. The question is what about the not so rich, the middle class who are investing in various formats, especially in the market also? There's been an interesting thing that when I started tracking the stock markets in 2005 as when I was part of a stock market business channel, I was one of the people running it and I had to anchor daily news stock market news. We used to notice that if the markets went up in the US, the next day markets went up in India. If they fell, markets fell in India. Now there's been a bit of what is called decoupling. That's because most of the investment that has taken place in the recent past has been from mutual funds, from domestic institutions, which includes the LICs of the world, government as well. FII is no longer determined the market movement or market move. Lot of the money is actually from domestic institutions. Why? Because mutual fund participation has increased over the last few years and lot of these mutual funds allow you to invest even 500 rupees. So a lot of people, middle class, middle class, low middle class people have entered this mutual fund space. One reason is because interest rates are so low. So you're not going to get a good return on putting your money in the bank. People are putting in a little bit. Now these people are going to get caught because what happens? Let's say that the rich have put in their money and they're going to get out as soon as the market starts to crack. Something happened in the US. Suddenly COVID-19 recovers. What will happen? The market will crash. There's some geopolitical tension. The market will crash. The rich will essentially try to get out right then. So what we call supply of stock in the market will increase dramatically. And there won't be any bias. What happens then? That the market keeps collapsing. The middle class investor is going to carry the can. Essentially the middle class investor has no control over the money because they also don't have the confidence. Only the rich have confidence about their money. The middle class don't. The middle class stay away from the markets also because they don't have confidence. They don't think they're going to get richer. The rich think they'll keep getting richer. Right now they're a little uncertain and underconfident. So the rich will take the profits, the middle class, the low middle class, who were forced into the stock markets over the last few years thanks to tax policies and the fact that the central banks prodded by the government had brought down interest rates. They will be holding and seeing that their wealth has got wiped out. The money that they've saved over the years, year after year, putting in little by little every few months, they will see that money basically collapsing. Rich will get richer. The middle class will actually move further down. The divide within the middle class between the upper middle as the affluent and the lower middle class, this is going to increase. Thank you so much Aranjeev for talking to us. Thank you Prashan. That's all we have in this episode. Let's talk. We'll be back on Monday with major news developments from the country. Until then, keep watching NewsClick.