high quality mapping data for all stages of education. Future developments include a text and data mining service, working with satellite data and machine learning, and smart campus technology. ADINA's work with learning technologies helps to develop skilled data literate students who can change our world for the better. Teachers and students can develop and share coding skills with notable our Jupiter Notebook Service. Our DigiMap services deliver high quality mapping data for all stages of education. Future developments include a text and data mining service, working with satellite data and machine learning, and smart campus technology. ADINA's work with learning technologies helps to develop skilled data literate students who can change our world for the better. Teachers and students can develop and share coding skills with notable our Jupiter Notebook Service. Our DigiMap services deliver high quality mapping data for all stages of education. Future developments include a text and data mining service, working with satellite data and machine learning, and smart campus technology. ADINA's work with learning technologies helps to develop skilled data literate students who can change our world for the better. Teachers and students can develop and share coding skills with notable our Jupiter Notebook Service. Our DigiMap services deliver high quality mapping data for all stages of education. Future developments include a text and data mining service, working with satellite data and machine learning, and smart campus technology. ADINA's work with learning technologies helps to develop skilled data literate students who can change our world for the better. Teachers and students can develop and share coding skills with notable our Jupiter Notebook Service. Our DigiMap services deliver high quality mapping data for all stages of education. Future developments include a text and data mining service, working with satellite data and machine learning, and smart campus technology. My God, well done to ALT and the organizing committee.  What a place, taken at the London Palladium. Absolutely brilliant. Once again, I'm delighted to bring back the madness that is Gosta and even better, we have three sessions. Anybody at Gosta last year in Manchester? Excellent. So do you remember how to count in Irish? The whole thing about Gosta.  Very quick, it's sort of like petrocoach, but much better. Like on satellites and Guinness and everything else. So the whole idea of this is five minutes. And I mean five minutes. How often have you sat there, particularly if you're the last presenter, and you see your time has been eaten away? Well, that doesn't happen here. Oh no, five minutes means five minutes.  That's not really the fun. The fun part of it is what the crowd gets to do. You'll all count in Oscar Olga in Irish. It's also Scott Gallick. One, two, three, four, five, and then you'll shout out Gosta, I'll teach you to count. But even better, when we shout out Gosta, the five minute the clock begins, Larry Phipps is here and he's going to be counting on. I will walk up beside you when 10 seconds are to come. When the five minutes is up, I will call to the crowd and you have to then count in Irish again, one, two, three, four, five, and then start, which means stop. That's it. It's absolutely, it's a sort of academic blood sport. But there is a serious thing. We're trying to get a lot of messages in. People have done some great work, so I would really always encourage people if one of our presenters here has said something which really sparks your interest, please do come and chat to them afterwards. Very quickly, we're going to teach you how to count in Irish. Number one, ahayn. Oh lads, that's pitiful. Will you try that one again? Ahayn. Number two, a doe. A deer. Now here's a very complicated one. Three. Now it gets better. Number four, cahar. Five kuiq. We try again all together, starting one, two, three, four. Ready? Ahayn, a doe, a three, a cahar, a kuiq, and then we shout gosset after that. Are we ready for our first victim up here? That's our presenter. And then don't forget, when 10 seconds to go, I'll come up here, and when I wave to the crowd, we'll all count ahayn, doe, tree, cahar, kuiq, and start, and it means stop. Are we all ready to start to count? Are you ready? Gosset as loud as you can. Are we ready? Ahayn, a doe. Oh he didn't fly over from County Cork to hear this pitiful rubbish. Are we ready? Ahayn, a doe, a tree, a cahar, a kuiq, Gosset. So lecture capture is something that's becoming, not the question of it. Becoming essential in university teaching, and we've heard already about lots of universities which are rolling out lecture capture across their campuses. But a lot of this, a lot of the literature and a lot of this thinking is predicated on the idea that lectures have a very traditional format. In other words, that the lecture spends most of the time talking and the students spend most of the time listening. But actually this often isn't the case and that's particularly in physics, or the sciences in maths. Often they use flipped or active learning approaches and that's what this research wanted to look at. How does the pedagogical approach affect how students use lecture capture? This is an image taken from a physics active learning flipped class. In these classes, the students are asked to do pre-readings and short quiz before the lecture. So these are pre-readings and not videos. About 50% of the lecture time is then spent actively engaging with the material. So that is talking to each other, doing problem solving, interacting with the lecture. The, in contrast to that, the non-flipped classes, the traditional classes, are where students first encounter the material during the lecture itself. And we use a multimodal approach to investigate this. Here are two of the key themes from student interviews. And actually the first thing that we found was that students really wanted to be in the lectures if they possibly could. They couldn't always. One student had to have a grand piano delivered from Denmark but these things happen. The one, the thing that they often said was that they preferred to be in lectures and there was an extra impetus if there was added value in the lecture. And the two things that added value for them were peer discussions, where there was problem solving in physics or in maths, and also demonstrations in physics. The other key theme that came out was that multitasking was hard. And this was quite interesting because we sort of led to believe that everyone nowadays can spend all their time multitasking. But actually they found it really difficult to listen to the lecturer at the same time as making notes. And this was particularly hard where there was a lot of new information in the lecture. And the results of this was that students needed to go and visit lecture captors. They either needed to use lecture captors to write notes because they'd been concentrating on listening to the lecturer or they needed to listen to what the lecturer was saying because they'd missed what the lecturer was saying because they were writing notes. And the implication of this is that for classes that are very information dense and that tends to be the traditionally taught classes, lecture captors are going to be more useful. In contrast, the flipped classes where information tends to be presented before the lecturer are going to be less... Students are going to use lecture captor less in those classes. That's the implication from the interviews. And we found that this is actually what we found with the quantitative data. So in the red box, what we can see is the average number of minutes that students spent watching lecture captors over the course of the semester. And the first number there is for a non-flipped class. And that's 111 minutes. And you can see that for the two flipped classes, the amount of time spent watching lecture captors is about half. So a lot less time spent using lecture captors. And what are the implications of this? Well, the first thing is if you care about student attendance, and we can discuss the merits of student attendance in lectures, if you do, then think about way to add value to your lectures. It needs to be for them, for the students, a different experience to actually come to the lecture compared to watching it sitting at home. And the other thing is, think about the density of information in your lectures. And I know that a lot of courses do have a lot of information, a lot of course content that they need to get through during their course of the lecture. But if there's going to be a lot of information, a lot of course content, and it's too much for the students to take in during that lecture, and then they're going to the lecture capture, is that the best use of their time? So those are some of the implications. I'm gonna finish this on well before five minutes by the look of it. That's not the idea, I don't know. Anyway, do come and talk to me. There's my contact details. We have a pre-print of the qualitative stuff available there, and there's a poster outside. Sorry about that. Well done. Not easy. Four minutes and 45 seconds. Boo. There's no fun if there's no blood. It had to be you, didn't it? Are we ready? Now it was pretty good counting. Now this time we'll have a little bit of a competition. Left and right. We start off with Hain, dough, tree, car, everybody Kuig and everybody Gosta. Are we ready with that? Starting with the left. Hain. The whole idea of Gosta is a little bit of no racing true. Already within a millisecond you'd already fallen behind. Are we ready? Hain. A tree. A tree. A tree. A tree. Gosta. Thank you very much. I'm Suzanne Hardy, I'm from Newcastle University and I'm the Learning, Enhancement and Technology Projects Team Manager in the Learning and Teaching Development Service. My talk is about implementing the Tell Roadmap, but the first thing I'm going to say, it's not a roadmap. And I'll tell you why as we move through. It is a road to somewhere and we do know the route that we're going to take. So this is about a five-year project leading up to a five-year project. Takes a long time to change things in traditional universities. So let's go back in time. And I've got a little timeline for you. Four years ago, four or five years ago, we started a Tell Roadmap consultation with all staff in professional services and academic services at the university. And we asked them what they needed to use more technology in their learning and teaching. And we did a series of workshops. We went to every school. We invited everybody that we could think of who's involved in learning and teaching, programme administrators, people from the exams office, NUIT, everybody. And we asked them all the same questions and they were really active workshops. We did loads of them. I think we must have done about 50 or 60. There was loads of them. So we consulted with everybody in the world and what they came back with was that they didn't need more technology. This might seem familiar to some people. We were kind of expecting them to say, we want loads more things to make more content. No, we don't need more technology. We need help. We need to know what's possible. So we listened. We've now got a five-year plan which started last year in 2018 and runs until 2023, which is a significant amount of money that's been endorsed by council and senate. And it's come from the bottom up. We've taken from what those people have said and we've based the new policy, we've based the plan, we've based the projects on what people told us. So they don't want technology. The project's been top up and bottom down and I think we're in early days but I think we're starting to see the results of the approaches that we've taken. So we had a new university vision and strategy launched on the first of October last year and the second thing the Vice Chancellor talked about was he wanted Newcastle University to become known for its excellent blended learning for on-campus courses. That's massive. We're a research intensive university and the second thing the Vice Chancellor said was he wanted us to be known for blended learning in campus-based teaching. Wow. So we knew we were onto a good thing there. You can see here that we've got education for life and research for discovery and impact as parity and we have this phrase within the University of Parity of Esteem for Research and Teaching and we have promoted several people recently to professors who have based on the quality of their teaching. We even have people who are heads of school who have come from a teaching and pedagogy teaching and scholarship background rather than research which is for us massive. We've got four strategies within that vision education for life, research for discovery and impact, engagement in place and global and educational for life has this one of, it's got four key themes and this is the fourth key theme an educational experience supported and enhanced by technology. So as well as really good things that have been happening in the Faculty of Medical Sciences for years and years at Newcastle, we've got things, pockets happening all over the University but we now have a strategy that says that this is going to be part of what the University is known for. I'm not going to read this out but to deliver this technology enhanced educational experience we do these things. So we want to work across programs, we want extra and co-curricular opportunities for students, we want to embed the effective use of technology enhanced learning in our programs and we want to provide high quality and sustainable support to staff which is what they said they needed. So 11 months in where are we? In March I had three new staff join my team in September I had two start this week and I've got another one starting later on this week and we're just about to advertise two new posts so I've gone from a team of two soon I'll have a team of ten. We have six major blended learning projects underway two per faculty because we have to be fair and they are major so we're working with the two biggest schools in the University the business school and the end school of engineering we've got several smaller projects and we've got a queue of people who want to work with us and we're also offering program review support again this is something that's written into the policy and of those we've got six. We're also showcasing and upscaling people through a program called In the Art of the Possible for the next chapter. Come back next year. Thank you. I don't know if that was a job at first or a presentation. Now Cardiovascular exercise is very good very good for the mental and physical health so I'm going to ask you to do a video or a countdown something unforgettable. Put down your phones and your laptops for a few seconds. What we're going to do is a little bit of exercise just get the blood flowing it's been a long long day. We're all ready here. So this time we want all the hands up in the air and we're going to start off to your left the Hain Doe. Are we ready?   Even the posh people up the back. That's it. All of a sudden you can rattle your jewellery. Are we ready? Start and go swing into our left. Are we ready? A Hain. A Doe. Tree. Come on. A Cajar. A Kuwait. So for the past three months I've been working as an intern for the University of Edinburgh working on a project that is aimed at geographically locating and visualising information from the Survey of Scottish Witchcraft Database. This database has all of the records of accused witches in Scotland from 1563 to 1736 and over this time the database has collected a lot of geographical information and I've been trying to locate this and I've been uploading this information onto WikiData which is Wikipedia's sister project and by doing this I've learnt a lot of new skills and seen the power of WikiData. The main part of the project was to be able to geographically locate the different places of residence for the accused witches within the database and from this there were a total of 341 different accused witches that all had places of residence recorded and then there were a total of 822 places of residence that were noted within the database so my job was to be able to locate all of these different places and link them up to the accused witches. So some of these places already had items on WikiData however there were many of them that still didn't and I tried to locate 500 of the different places using a variety of different historical sources the main source that I used was the Oradance Survey first edition map which has been digitised and upload onto the National Library of Scotland for this I've been able to search the different place names from the database and be able to find them on this map and add it onto WikiData aside from that I've used place name books gazetteers and other experts in place names to find these places in the end I was able to locate nearly all of these places and add them onto WikiData and link them up to these accused witches aside from this I then had time to be able to locate other parts of the information that have been mentioned on the database such as trial location detainment location and death location and these have all been added for the accused witches there's also been information about the people related to the trials and their residents have also been located there's been a wealth of information within the database that could also be added onto WikiData and properties have been added such as trial types and the different torture types and our deal during the trial these then can be searched using the WikiData query service and this is used with the basic knowledge of sparkle and which you're able to then search for different things that you're interested in and this will be able to give you a list of for example all of the different accused witches and their place of residence and with this query I've then been able to use it for different types of visualisations and these have all been hosted onto the witches.is website from being able to use the query service we've been able to make visualisations using leaflet such as this map here and which we've been able to use it directly there's also been other maps being produced using ArcGIS online by downloading the information into a CSV file and uploading it onto the ArcGIS system itself in the end we've been able to make many different visualisations and show just what can be done with WikiData and with this dataset putting them all to shame you are brilliant well done I'd have to say what a job title wiki median in residence I mean how cool is that that must be the coolest job I've ever heard that was pretty good cardio vascular we'll be ramping it up not this one but the next one but we're getting the arms back up again hands up again get them up have we read no one? I can hear myself I can hear you I'm not even going to do the count this time you're going to do it I'll start off hanging and after that you're on your own I'm going to take the training wheels off I'm Ann Marie Scotland from the University of Edinburgh as well and I want to talk about a short project that we did this year looking at improving the accessibility of some of our media content in the University over the last few years we've put a lot of time and effort and care into building up the collection of media that we have in the University and if you go to media.ed.ace.uk you will find a smorgasbord of interesting things but with the recent changes in legislation in 2018 around accessibility of content which actually as we all know build on previous legislation we're starting to think about the challenge of how to make a lot of this content more accessible now some of it is accessible but the vast majority of it isn't and I think in terms of subtitles for example and I think that's probably a challenge that lots of us are facing and so we started thinking about how could we work out how to solve this problem it's an expensive and big problem and it's one that we know a number of people are grappling with and as we started to pick into what kind of services are available what might technology do for us we started to feel a bit uncomfortable we started to think about where does the audio track go when you start looking at subtitling services they're presented as software services you magically send your video or your audio file away and something happens and then it comes back with perfect subtitles on it how does that happen where does it go and we know that a number of our staff are a bit sensitive already about who gets to see private content, research seminars and so on and so we picked into this a bit more and we had a chat with some of our colleagues in the School of Social and Political Sciences one of whom researches in the gig economy and we started to learn a whole lot about the gig economy around transcription services and then we started looking at the costs that we were being quoted and we did some maths and we looked at what the fair living wage was and we realised that the vast majority of the work that's involved because there's human work involved and we need perfect subtitles is typically being done piecemeal and offshore and it starts to get very uncomfortable then as an elite western university to improve your accessibility by spending your money on precarious labour and outsourced precarious labour in other countries so we weren't feeling super comfortable about throwing lots of money into a project to get lots of subtitles generated for our content no matter how easy that might seem to be so we decided to run this pilot project to try and move ourselves forward and understand what the other options might be so we had three strands in the project the first one was to think about how we could improve digital skills and promote culture change across the board because trying to improve the accessibility of our content in a way that we can afford is almost certainly going to involve spreading the load across the institution and then we thought well if we're going to have to employ people to improve the quality of the subtitles associated with our media why don't we see whether this is work that our students might want to do and again as we started to think about what that work was we realised that it might actually be particularly interesting or particularly attractive to certain types of students so if you're maybe can't afford to travel all the time or you have caring responsibilities it's work that's really flexible it's work that you can do from anywhere it's work that you can do comfortably from your own home it might offer employment opportunities where they're maybe not otherwise available and then we thought well we have a world class school of informatics and speech recognition and speech processing colleagues we should probably go and have a chat to them and see what the state of the art is as well and see whether perhaps there's something coming down the line in terms of the technology so the project had these three strands we ran it for 12 12 weeks we had student subtitles working with us two symposiums one to do a kind of state of the art of technology and one as a wrap at the end of the project and we gathered quite a lot of data as we went through this subtitling process with the students so the key things that we learned first of all we learned that the technology isn't as good as we think it is it's transcription technology and that there's probably a particular challenge for the education sector because where we had the most where we had to spend the most time subtitling was inevitably where the sound quality was poor where the person speaking maybe wasn't a native English speaker or where there was specialist terminology and I think I've just described every lecture theatre and all of our institutions so there's a particular challenge in this space the technology might improve but probably for educational use we are going to be at the very very end of the line here other things we learned students want this work they enjoyed doing this work they found working for a university supportive and I'm going to get a poll and I've got a pollster downstairs if you want to learn more thank you thank you I'd like to see transcription services for bad or jack or something like that might have been useful alright get yourself set up are you ready to go? no actually I'm not are we ready to instead of going high no three car or coo are we ready to go cooing car or three dough well I'm not somebody to stick with the novel and so okay now this time we'll do a bit of leg work as well so we'll stand up on the high then dough three car cooing so up on the high car are we ready? are you ready? are you ready? people in the posh seats again you're also part of here you paid double the price I think you should be much more part of the whole ambiance are we ready? are you ready? are you ready? are you ready? are you ready? here's Stuart Allen I work for Edinburgh Business School which confusingly is not part of Edinburgh University it's part of Herry Watt University feel free to boo at this point if you're from the University of Edinburgh so I'm going to talk a little bit about a project that we've been running I'm not going to go through the research that we did and how we analysed it because that's all it's not really in this paper but it's in this poster rather it's using the QR code which is also on the poster which is downstairs so I'm going to try and spend the bulk of my time talking about why I think you should do that and why I think what we looked at was an important issue so when we talk about building physical spaces in higher education we talk about investing in the student experience and rightly so and we create bespoke spaces that are tailored to our students needs and we ask them and we involve them in that process but when we come to build digital spaces for education we often talk about it in terms of cost or risk it's often not seen as an investment and I suppose that's one of the issues that I'd like to flag here because that was one of the things that came up as we were running this project so when we build that when we do campus based education we don't hire a football stadium or a church hall or a room above a pub we build something and I'd like to try and further that narrative into digital spaces as much as possible and this is actually a social justice issue I would argue I work for an institution that has one in four of our students live in Africa we did lots of research with them and they told us that many of them didn't have internet access all of the time and actually when systems, digital systems are built for the west and they're built for Europe and America they're not built with those people's needs in mind so we spent a lot of time asking our students what they needed what access they had and what kind of experience they were looking for so as this quote said until you involve the people who are being marginalised in the development process then you will continue to marginalise them so we did what everybody else does when they look for a new environment for digital education we did we looked at the big VLEs and we did a procurement process and what came back out of that process was a clear winner and we chose Canvas but none of the systems did exactly what it was that our students were asking for and there was a number of compromises that we felt we couldn't accept that our students couldn't accept there was a lack of offline capability surprisingly there wasn't full mobile optimisation across every page in every section and a lot of our students have skipped computers and gone straight to mobile and also content is kind of siloed by you've got discussions over here and text over here and questions over here and our students said to us we're really time pressed and we want you to try and curate a path for us through this material it doesn't require us to click around all these times and really what we were trying to do was to respond to those needs and respond to people who were otherwise going to be marginalised so we spent a long time developing a custom built platform with full paper if you want to find out more about it but basically we used Canvas as an authoring system and we integrate that with lots of other bits of smaller pieces of software underneath a custom built user interface and that was only possible for us because we have an excellent team of software developers who work with us and we were able to get a budget to go and do that but the risk to us of not doing that was extremely high because people who had had access to our online education before when basically we provided materials in PDF format and as ebooks would justifiably have said to us if we just adopted a system out of the box well how do I access this offline so the risk of not doing something not doing something for students who would otherwise be marginalised was uppermost in our mind so I'd like us to try and imagine a future where this is possible for more people it's possible for us because we had capability in house and we had people with imagination who were brave enough to go and take those risks I'd like to imagine a future where VLEs are unbundled so the vendors break down what they have into smaller pieces where procurement is more granular where institutions can take this approach and they can take a system for forums and they can take another bit of software for content authoring, take another system for webinars, I'd like to see how that's possible and we all have this kind of expertise in house and so really my message is that can we start talking about building our technologies for our students three two thank you the people in the chief seats can take a break now we're going to have all the lords and lades in all the private boxes of the back do the counting this time and then I want to then I think there's fewer of you but I think you're going to make some big noise there big people, big positions big money sitting at the back and the next time then the chief seats will be given a competition and it'll be like Huey Green and I'll be making a decision about who costed the loudest so we'll just start out I only need the people in the posh seats and open the boxes we just did the counting I'll start you off with Hain but after that you're on your own are we ready? that's not ready now I think you sort of knew the response there wasn't it but we try that one again and like that have a bit of pride in yourself ok bit of pride pretty shambolic we try that again pride, we're ready Hain Hello I'm Tara Hawes and I work for Coventry University online, seconded from FutureLearn and I'm going to talk about how at Coventry and Camden we're using learning technology for wider impact so just a bit about FutureLearn and Coventry University online to start off with I'm probably going to zip through the case study because I don't have time and move on to the lessons learned and the next steps so the partnership between Coventry and FutureLearn was launched in 2017 and as many of you are aware it was quite controversial at the time FutureLearn has hundreds of partners around the world ranging from some of the world's top universities to people like the British Council but at the time it was solely owned by the open university so as someone who left the OU to go and work Coventry University online that was quite a controversial move at the time since then Coventry University online has had 152,000 enrolments the learners from 221 countries the last time I checked and we've launched 15 degrees and 66 open courses and their respective programs because every open course is a taster for a program of a degree so I was going to do a case study of embassy nursing until I got stuck into things and realised I wasn't really going to have time to talk about that so if anybody is interested I will be uploading the slides and please do come and say hello and have a chat about things the two open courses nursing and crisis and healthcare research and the reason I found them interesting was because I was the project manager who first set them up and they were the first open courses we launched on the platform 131 countries so I felt that really fitted them well with the theme of using learning technology for wider impact and also the embassy nursing because of course they were taster courses for the embassy itself at the moment we've got 12 students and we're about to have our first graduates in July 2020 but in a room full of learning technologists I'm sure you're curious to hear what learning technology was actually used so the main medium in terms of technology is actually video we have a studio full of digital media developers and their main role is to shoot and edit video content it's all optimised for mobile devices so there's a bit of attention going on there as I'm sure you can imagine and the future learning platform itself has got a certain pedagogy which is very student centric it involves storytelling with big questions it encourages social learning and it actually creates a space where we can have international communities of practice and it's about developing skills and celebrating progress and it's very easy to use data and analytics to determine wider impact and we also use tools such as peer review, group work and portfolio tools with various rates of success testing for effectiveness is actually quite simple on the future learning platform it's really easy to get your data and analytics there's facilitation dashboards it's easy to track retention and completion, you can get statistics for each step and of course you've got the wonderful luxury of immediate learner feedback plus you can map the learner journey and we've also started doing focus groups lessons learned very quickly the big questions do create stimulating debates it leads to social learning and I've got some great examples of international communities of practice if anybody would like to hear them we've gone through with the nursing courses and the initial case study and we've actually opened up the questions more so that runs two and three have been updated to encourage more discussions media, less is definitely more for practical reasons as well as pedagogical ones and we've learnt that peer review and group work can be very unpredictable a lot comes down to the cohorts of students on those particular degrees or those courses and as I'm sure most of you are aware third party tools can be pretty risky some more lessons learned to potential for greater use of learning technology I'd really like to start using more social media to see how that can build communities and also one thing we've learnt is that being agile doesn't always help you go faster especially when working with academics and if you make enough courses will they join, will they pay to do a degree next steps, wider impact, please do come and talk to me thank you very much now not that I've sort of put pressure on the poor people here but I was kind of I think I'm going to hear the people sing so I think we're going to have a good loud gust from the crowd now pointing using holograms from the beginning just the poor people are we ready? I don't need to do the hanging out so that is up to you last but not least is this yes I think for effect should we shorten it by a minute just for the crack okay so we're we're nearly there so we'll go back up to our up and down it's our last presentation get the blood flowing it's very important before you have all the lemonade this evening are we ready? there will be starting on the up for the Hain dough, tree, car, a cuic are we ready? a Hain a dough a tree, a car a cuic hello everybody this is Neil and I'm Pip together we are co-hosts of the ALT mentions podcast unofficially supporting the ALT in creating a podcast about learning technology so we are learning technologists and we are passionate about technology enhanced learning and we both really like podcasts as a medium they can be a highly effective way to reach and engage audiences and communities so one of the core advantages of using podcasts is that they are ubiquitous and you can listen to them anywhere on a wide range of devices podcasts can be used to enhance teaching and learning in a variety of ways and our podcast is available on pod bean and iTunes and we've got eight episodes so far for you to get stuck into so what is the goal ultimately of our podcast? well we want to engage the learning technology community and have a wider impact discussing what is important to us and exchange those ideas in a public forum and we do this in a number of ways we started by having conversations just between ourselves and recording them this is a really good place to start and the hosts can build a rapport so in terms of exchanging ideas actually I learned a lot from Neil just by interviewing him so he talked about an education institution employing students directly to create a video to develop their skills as part of an employability initiative so what else did we do we invited a wide range of guests onto the show who've had some experience or involvement in learning technology some are longer interviews and some are shorter episodes such as we call them micro episodes to get you started listening to our podcast over to Neil so one of the guests was a software developer and he was talking about accessibility and he just talked about his experience of using learning technology like PowerPoint and having a live translation feature so it engages international students so that was really interesting to just get tips from people about things that you might not have come across before so what did you learn Pip from the guests well there were three really exciting things for me so the first was what was the future of learning technology going to look like and feel like and then to what extent we thought artificial intelligence would have an impact on learning technology and those jobs of the future and what their favourite learning tools were and why so we don't just have a podcast we actually have an audio drama which consists of short monologues of a learning technologist's inner thoughts and reflections it's called Telltale and it's also available on Podbean now so I'm just going to talk about what we did and our reflections what we learned from starting a podcast this came out with the ALT assembly in February where we helped sort of engage the community more and we started by going to a festival called the Sound It Out Festival and it was run by experienced podcasters already I went to a session on it's really important to warm up your voice, do loads of exercises so you really get in the zone before you start your conversation so that was really good Pip went to a session on audio dramas which was the inspiration for Telltales as well so it was really good to sort of get that professional expertise to accelerate our learning if you like in terms of editing we thought oh yeah we'll just turn on the mic talk for half an hour might take another half an hour to edit you know take out the ums and ours took about two and a half hours to edit a half an hour episode so just bear that in mind if you want to start your own podcast and you want to create more podcast listeners it does take quite a bit of time but it's a lot of fun, it's really good creating stuff and um the software is Audacity which we use which is free as well one more thing on that last side but if you're going to interview guests just establish a bit of sort of um communication between what any sort of boundaries what they want to talk about and stuff like that as well so it just requires really strong communication as well that was our journey so in terms of the future for the podcast we're going to carry it on we initially proposed it for this conference but we're going to carry it on afterwards because we enjoy it so much if you would like to come on as a guest we are also very interested in interviewing people so get in contact with us but we're also collecting feedback as well so on our poster we've got a link to a feedback form so we'd love to hear what you think about the different episode formats and we're also going to improve the sound quality in the future which is very easy to do and we also would love to do some cross promotion with other podcasters so if you do have a podcast get in touch with us, thank you well done, well done can all the people who presented will just stand up for one second please this is not easy this is very very high pressure and he entered here today as presenters they now leave here as gust of tears round of applause finally just want to thank all of the people


So the session starts. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the first breakout session. It's my honor to introduce OpenStack I-18 team for you here. Before I start the session, I want to ask a simple question. Whose primary language is not English? Please pull up your hands. Oh, thank you. Great. Then I'm sure you'll come to the right session. So we are from OpenStack I-18 team. The mission of I-18 team is to make OpenStack accessible for people, for all the people with different language background. So I'm Ying Chun Guo from IBM China Development Lab. I have a nickname you can call me daily. If it's easy for you. I'm the PTL of I-18 team. This is Carlos. He's from Red Hat. He's the development leader for Zanata. A tool that we are using. Kato-san is from Fujisoku. He's the coordinator of Japanese translation team and also the call member for documentation team. So we three will take you to spend this 40 minutes. We will cover these items. We might spend 30 to 35 minutes depending on how quick we speak. Then we will leave the remain time for Q&A session. So we all know OpenStack is how popular OpenStack it is. So it is used by the people from all the world. When we bring OpenStack to users, we want OpenStack is able to speak their local languages. So that requirement drives the setup of I-18 team. Actually, I-18 team was initiated in two years ago. Two years ago, we started OpenStack dashboard translation since IceHouse officially. So just translators come in and start the translations. Now, in Liberty development cycle, we finally become an official project. We are under the TC governance and the leadership. We have our own IRC channel, mailing list, and we have IRC meetings. I-18 team is a big team. We have 40 languages, 40 language teams, and more than 100 translators. So below picture shows the languages we supported. If the font of your language is not that big, that is because the number of translators is not as many as the languages in big font. So you could join us to make your language bigger. So I will spend a few minutes on the OpenStack. I-18 team construction. So we are a community team. The hierarchy diagram does not show the report line. So I use dot line, not solid line. So we are official team, so we are under the leadership of technical committee. Then there is PTR for I-18 team. The PTR is every release cycle could have PTR. So I'm the PTR for Mitaka development cycle. The PTR is responsible for the day-to-day operations, set up the global translation plans, and the results are disputed within the team. Then there are coordinators of different language teams. So the language team coordinators are responsible for the operation of the language teams, drives the language team to follow up with the global translation plan. Each language team can have their own translation plans also. So then there are the translators and reviewers. So the PTR and the coordinators are the I-18 core team. We work together to set up the translation plan and the translation process. So we have deep closely connection with infrastructure team with helping us to set up the translation platforms. We also have deep connection with documentation team and development team. So their feedback will help us to decide the final translation plans. Also, if we found bugs, we may report to them. If there are translation bugs, they may go to us. So there are close connections. So let's look at what we translate. OpenStack community has a lot of English materials. So you see the user interface. You see when you type command lines, you see the response messages. You see English documentations. And the release is also in... the Wiki is also in English. So the website is in English. So among all these English materials, what should we translate? After... Finally, we decide to translate the user interface as a hyper-reality and the user documents as a hyper-reality. We also translate a few of our wikis. We will translate the release nodes into different languages after each release. We also translate a few of our messages. They may not... They may not the web UI messages, but they are the user messages when you type the command line. So look at what we have done. After, I think... Now, after... After we ran the team for two years or three years, we have a dedicated translation website now. And we have the automatic process. So colors will cover this part after me. So we have translated OpenStack dashboard into 14 languages. So you see that's our achievement. We have six languages, six localized documentation page under the official documentation website. So some documentation are translated. There are six languages available. We also translated some user messages in projects. They are not UI-related projects, but there are some user messages. We translated 10 languages of them, translated them into 10 languages. In total, there are 1 million active words translation in our website now. That's really a big number. So the Mitaka design session is not started, so I can't tell you the exact plan, but these items are in our plans. So in Mitaka, we will continue the translation of dashboard, and we are going to translate the installation guide for liberty into different languages. For the tools enhancement, we will enable the translation check website to improve the quality, and we will enable the translator metric in StackLitics. After that, you will see your contributions, how many words you translated from the StackLitics. So then I will hand over to Carlos. Thank you very much, Daisy. So like Daisy said, my name is Carlos Munoz. I am the lead developer for the Sonata Translation Management Platform. We are the platform of choice for OpenStack to do their translations. First of all, let me give you a little bit of context about the platform and around our relationship with OpenStack. Sonata is a project that started in 2008, I believe, way before my time with the project itself. It began because of an internal need for Red Hat from having an open-source translation platform. Then after that, after some development, some of the communities out there started recognizing Sonata and started using it. Two years ago, back in the Atlanta Summit, that was our first contact with Daisy from the internationalization team. They expressed their want to change translation platforms, and Sonata was one of the candidates. We started working very closely with both the internationalization team and the infrastructure team. Then in Vancouver, six months ago, it was decided that Sonata would be used as the default translation platform. So the work began there, and back in September, finally we released the production instance of Sonata with the help from the infrastructure team from OpenStack. Right there on the slide, you can just see some interesting links if you want to read more about Sonata, if you want to contribute, if you want to submit bugs or requests. There's also a couple of links from the infrastructure team and how they configure Sonata, what the process is like. I'm going to talk a little bit about the process next. So let me just, first of all, I apologize for my very basic PowerPoint skills. But second, this is a process that my team has been supporting the infrastructure team with. This is all the work of the infrastructure team. Some of these guys are present here.  They are really the brains behind all this process, and we simply have been there to support it. And I'm sure that they will scream out in pain if I say something that is not true. So the way the process works in really, really broad terms is it's all tied to the code. As soon as there is a commit to the code, to any of the projects, there is a process that recognizes whether there have been changes to the source messages or not. Excuse me. So once that happens, the data has a command line client, right? And there are some scripts that are using that command line to push all these sources, extract the source files, and push them to Sonat, which is the second kind of row there that you see there. So once that happens, all the translators come in, they see the latest changes to all these source files. They do their work. They translate it very efficiently. And then the arrow that you see going up there is a process that, every day at 6 a.m., it pretty much pulls everything that Sonata has, and it checks any language that has more than 75% translations. And it pulls all of that information from Sonata. I have a diagram there with po-files, that's the translated file. And then it makes sure that it makes a commit instance with all the changes. So basically that assures that at any point in time both the translators are seeing the latest source files that they can translate. And it also assures that all the work that the translators are doing is basically being reflected in the source code. Now, before I hand over to Kato, who has a very interesting demo where you'll see the platform in the next slide, I want to talk a little bit about what we are working on that will not only help OpenStack, but in general all the Sonata users. So in the next release, which should happen in a couple months' time, we're planning on improving the way that Sonata manages glossaries. Before the system was pretty much upload a file with your glossary and that was it, we actually edit the glossary in the platform itself to add entries to add definitions. We're also adding per project permissions. This means that specific projects will be able to determine who they let translate and who they don't if they so choose. Statistics is a topic that we're... It relates a lot to OpenStack. We're in constant discussion with the OpenStack team on how we can develop meaningful statistics, what are the statistics that OpenStack needs to see. Again, in general, this benefits all Sonata users. And the other thing that we're planning on doing is better management of requests. What this means is at the moment, and Kato will talk about this, when you join Sonata to translate an OpenStack, you have to send a request via email to the translation coordinator so that they add you to the team, and it's a very cumbersome process. We're changing that so that it's very easy to join translation teams or project maintainer teams. Now, before I hand over, Alex saying and myself, we're both from the Sonata team, we're going to be for the length of the summit. If you have any questions, if you want to contribute to the summit, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. And, yeah, having said that, Kato, floor is yours. Welcome to Tokyo, Japan. I will show detailed procedure to using translation tool. This is overview. You need two kind of ideas. One is OpenStack foundation ID with ICRL agreement and one more is Sonata ID I will use Wiki. This is OpenStack Wiki page and now we are official project so we have here horizontal team internationalization. Our information is all together here and this is how to procedure. First, OpenStack ID and license agreement is a common procedure of all projects and so you have already agreed this agreement is done. Next, access Sonata. You can log in here. Oh, this is not my account. Continue. If you log in first time Sonata, you need to create an account and after create you can log in here and access to language page and want to contribute such and for example, use the Japanese you can request to join to team here. Oh, here. Join language team after you click here and request is sent to language coordinator and language coordinator receives the notification and add you to the team. After additional you can start translation. Registration you can hear projects and using horizon and summer you can start the translation like this oh oh sorry she is a global coordinator so too many menus usually I don't know this menu and some translation resources show in window and click here. This is a translation window left side show source in English and you can translate this message this way you need to just input your language message and you can save translation and this is the finish this message saved on the server and imported as color state and translation memory feature and see the similar strings this is a complete match use similar string you can you click copy this string appeared here needs some modification the string is long use translation memories very efficiently this is a language especially documentation has very similar strings and long strings go back to presentation here is finally lessons in Japanese team I want to share this is language specific so near language is useful our team first to keep translation quality share some rules with translators like this verbal expression or digital and and second translation grocery not only open stack terminology but general words for translation one word in several ways in Japan so we decided to one by one matching grocery and like this in Japan some kind of express the word filter like this filter and filter both are correct in Japanese but we decided to one way in grocery two main point is as Daisy said we use translation for check site in Japan this is very useful to us translation itself is easy to using but output translated strings sometimes not fit window in horizon sometimes not displayed so we use translation check site correctly this correctly displayed or not we can check but now we are using global dashboard check site for Mitaka Japanese team is the most active translation team in open stack community they have translated a lot of documents and messages so many thanks to Kato-san so there are three remain sessions about I-18 if you have interested welcome to join now we are for the Q&A we are open for the Q&A any questions so how do you do segmentation for the translation memory so if you have a block of text in a paragraph how do you segment that so I will take this one right now the platform the way it does the translation memory is string by string so there is no segmentation of larger paragraphs perhaps so what works is we have an algorithm that pretty much calculates the similarity of two strings the Levenstein algorithm and that algorithm basically gives you the percentage that you saw on screen then what you saw with the differences I don't know if you saw the green highlights and the red highlights we try to show you the differences between the strings that process its issues but to answer your question we don't segment the strings per se now when dealing with pod files which is the format mostly if not completely dealt with on OpenStack it's basically you can do your own segmentation by restructuring the file itself but how won't break it up into smaller pieces at the moment so I'm from IBM and this is one of my colleagues I could ask her privately but I figured I'd ask publicly so couple questions so first is how many languages that you guys now support in horizon we support 14 14 languages okay this is excellent the reason I asked this is because part of IBM we've also contributed internationalization support for Cloud Foundry and what we're seeing is very different not a big uptick we submitted we did a code support here and then we also submitted some translations and I think now we have about four or five and they become stalled so and I'm sure it's not because there's a huge uptake on Cloud Foundry so my question to you is what advice would you give us on keeping the IIT and support going even so when you were doing your own translation OpenStack was it similar was it slow adoption or did it take off immediately or did you do something specific to make it become more interesting to the community I think the most interesting thing is that we have powerful infrastructure so the OpenStack translation platform now we build can support any languages any projects so if translators have interested to any language any projects welcome them to join so we set the project and the platform ready so they could start translation I mean my point is that make your platform ready then you just you can broadcast and wait there so you made it easy for translators to submit in our case we're using GitHub yeah it's not easy maybe that's the problem right there alright thank you my question is mostly for Kato I think I'm curious about your use of the translation check site I'm Doug Fish I work on Horizon and I've seen very few defects come in where you've indicated to us that the translation did not fit in the space we provided is that not your approach what do you do when you find that the translation doesn't fit in the space that's provided how do you address that sorry one more so in your talk you said that when you have the translation check site sometimes you find that the strings don't fit on the screen what do you do I talk to the Horizon team share the situation and request to fix the size of something something's already fixed on your behalf I haven't seen the bugs open but I think you're telling me that bugs do get open to Horizon and it does get fixed super glad to hear it Motoki-san in Japanese team is also Horizon Coa so he's very very coordinated understood thank you any other questions okay so if you have any questions or if you want to join us so contact us through LRC you may or anything else thank you thank you for you attend this thank you for the session thank you


Lukashenko distances from deal between Putin and Prigozin. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko appears to be distancing himself from the deal he reportedly mediated between Putin and Wagner, chief Prigozin, the Institute for the Study of War ISW said. Lukashenko demonstratively stated that Wagner and Prigozin are Russian, and the question about their whereabouts should not be directed to him. Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov also claimed that the Kremlin does not follow Prigozin's movements, noting that the Kremlin cannot and does not want to follow Prigozin. Peskov's statement is absurd, given that the Kremlin and Russian security forces have the ability to detain Prigozin or restrict his movements in Russia, the ISW said. According to analysts, Lukashenko appears to be distancing himself from Wagner, and his rhetoric may suggest that he is pinning the responsibility on the Kremlin to enforce the deal. Lukashenko said that redeployment of Wagner's private military company to Belarus depends on a decision of the company's management and Russian authorities. It will all depend on the decision of the company's management and Russian authorities. If they consider it necessary to deploy some troops from Wagner Group in Belarus for some rest and training, I will certainly execute my order, he said.


Time just coming up to 11 30 on this Saturday morning We are live from the clan re hotel in letter Kenny for DLDC celebrate Dunnegall business showcase, and it is all happening here in the clan re hotel Exhibitors are really arriving in their droves now, and they're all getting set up in there What a fantastic setup there isn't there as well, and there's a real buzz about the place as well So if you're in the letter Kenny area, you're gonna want to call and you don't want to miss this We are joined I'm delighted to say by one of our exhibitors this morning Kevin McGovern from epic epoxy joins his life on the program Kevin. Good morning. Morning. How's things? We're not so bad. Not so bad. How's set up going in there? It's good looking good in there ready to rock and roll plenty of tables about and plenty Yeah, there's a really good buzz around there isn't there? Everyone's excited. Everyone's really just ready to rock and roll Everyone's getting set up and all excited. They're ready to go Good stuff good stuff Kevin epic epoxy is the name of your business Yes, tell us a little bit about the business and what you do So it's basically an alternative to wooden floors and your tile floors and carpets and stuff So it's a seamless surfaces. So obviously you have no great lens or no dirties You know wooden floors and all that crack and very easy maintained and very easy cleaned Obviously with no no great lines that there germs and that there can't live on it Which is beneficial for the teams were on at the moment with cobalt and all that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, nice clean You know, yeah, so it's a it's it's an easier to maintain Easier kept alternative to your traditional tile floors or cement floors or anything like that And you were mentioning as well About micro cement. Yeah, that's another alternative then again. So what that there you can put it on walls Nearly any surface at all Of people has already has has tails down in their floors and stuff Yeah, I can put down a primer on their tails So that saves having to lift up all tails and your skirtons and everything like so I can basically just go straight over it Which is saves a lot of mess obviously. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, so Been pretty busy. What are they are up to date now? So the micro cement seems to be taken off a lot now and and that is something probably that would Probably have the potential to put somebody off Doing a job like that in our house is you know, taking up the old stuff They never know mess and everything that goes with it. So this is a much cleaner much quicker Streamlined alternative. That's it.  Is this an area you sort of worked in before was there's a brand new sort of a concept that came to you Tell us a little bit about that. So I'm actually a plasterer by trade So I'm over the years now their shoulders getting well worn out But it's not coming to us all Yeah, it's not a game you want to be at for the rest of your life Yeah, I've seen the epoxy resin that online, you know years ago And it's American that there's a way ahead of us with everything really like yeah So I stared us last 10 years or more, you know, and I thought I'd never really seen it about Ireland like Yeah, so I thought maybe now's the time to go and maybe do it and then when lockdown happened We were off working stuff and we had two babies over the lockdown to so right I said right and maybe now's the right time to just go and do something new now like instead of just getting by every weekend So, you know, yeah, I was always interested in learning new stuff, you know So this came about then I went and done a few trainings and courses all over Ireland and Head in England to do more training now in a couple of weeks as well like yeah So obviously I was wanting to have more time at home maybe as well Yeah, yeah, so I just went for it like you know, and I'm glad I did now because you're your own boss, you know And it's nice to nice to work there is that you want to work, you know exactly yeah And you know that is something we're we're hearing a lot from the exhibitors we spoke We've spoken to so far today. Yeah, when we're asking them, you know, what that's what was the the the kicker Yeah card that you know what it made them say right now is the time Yeah, and it seems to be when they had that little bit of downtime During COVID during the lockdowns that they took everybody seems to have just taken stock and re-evaluate it That's what they wanted to do.  So I started up the business there probably last October and stuff Okay, it's not a thing you go and do these trainings and stuff But it's not a thing you can just jump on and start throwing down floors and stuff like so There was a lot of R&D and they shared over the winter and stuff like yeah a lot of money put under the business to get all The right tools and stuff like you know So basically just kind of getting busy there now this year what it like and obviously nine out of ten people doesn't know What it is so for the likes of this today That's great publicity and to get it out there what it actually is the perfect opportunity to tell people exactly what it's about Yeah, like if that's one thing explaining it, you know to people over the radio or whatever But I have loads of sample boards inside here today And it's easier to show people and show them the process and stuff as well Absolutely anyone would want to come on down and have a chat to me about something that they might want on themselves We yeah, I can help them out, you know and see what system will be best for them You know brilliant brilliant and listen, you know, I asked us to a few of the other exhibitors we spoke to today You know, if you're you're you're fairly near the start of your journey You know with regards to running your own business being your own boss So you're in the thick of it at the moment What advice would you give to somebody now because we know there are Potential entrepreneurs out there people who are maybe feeling like they're stuck in a rot They're working full-time. They want to be their own boss. They want to run their own business What advice would you give them? What would you how would you advise them to start the ball rolling and take those first steps? Yeah, well, there's plenty of help out there. So there's two like you haven't glad I got the DLDC there They've been very helpful. They are right through me journey so far up to date, you know and Just to go for it like you know, I was the same I was working every week just waiting for the wage on the Friday and just not happy You know and I always wanted to do my own thing like you know So I would say just go for it like you know, there's nothing ventured nothing gained as the man says, you know So good advice go for it. Good advice Kevin. Listen. Thanks so much for chatting to us best of luck with the business Best of luck with the exhibit here today. Yeah If you want to just let everyone know if I'm on Facebook there as well that epic epoxy in case anybody wants to follow it I have some of my previous jobs up on up on that there as well Like you know to give people a better idea of exactly what can be done and stuff, you know So great stuff. So that's on your your Facebook page epic epoxy. Yes, okay, and obviously they can see you in here They can see it up close and personal Come down have a feel of the boards and stuff, you know, and you can feel exactly what it's like, you know Listen Kevin best of luck with the business and great to talk to you all the best


You're listening to The Crunch with Cam Slater, right here on RCR, Reality Check Radio. Now we have Shane Jones waiting to discuss the poll results. Welcome Shane to The Crunch. Hey man, greetings. So I haven't shared with you these numbers yet, so it's going to be a bit of a surprise for you, but we are... It's politics, mate. So we engaged Curie Apolling to do a poll in Northland electorate. A lot of people have been saying that it's make or break for two parties in particular for New Zealand first and for democracy in New Zealand. We had a number of different questions, but the key question that I want to get your response for today is that if a general election had been held yesterday, which political parties candidate are you most likely to vote for with your electorate vote? And the results are the National Candidate Grant McCallum scoring 38%, the Labour candidate Willow-Jean Prime scoring 18%, and then Shane Jones, New Zealand First, which is you, scoring 6%, and Democracy New Zealand's Mac King scoring 2%. So a bit of work to do there Shane. Without a doubt, and the next 10 odd weeks, the most important thing really is to... Well it's a two-chick campaign. It's both to promote my track record, but more importantly promote the relevance and the track record of New Zealand First has been the vehicle that has consistently developed a good record of delivery on the ground. The work that we've been doing I think is certainly resonating the public meetings and getting amongst the people, but obviously historically this has been a national seat. But hey, so the voters are going to have a strategic choice to make. If they want a third party called New Zealand First to hold the seat of Northland, thus guaranteeing the delivery of other MPs, then they're going to have a clear choice. It's obvious from the voting patterns that we've picked up that a lot of people are returning to their former vote. One thing about this poll though Shane, that I should share is that there's 30% of respondents said they were unsure which candidate they would vote for. But you would need to pick up all of that 30%, but you still wouldn't beat National on that current poll. The National candidate on that current poll. Are you expecting to see these numbers jump around a little bit? Yeah, I mean all of these polls, they take a shot at the move. And each week represents a further opportunity to get out there and tell the guard that's what we've got to do. I do think if you look back at the history, for example, of other candidates like Gary Knapp and the social credit, which I've made the effort to do, they always polled until the very end as third. And then people started to genuinely focus their attention on how do I get the best bang for my buck? How do I make one vote, deliver five candidates? Yeah, and that's the key isn't it for New Zealand first, is that if they vote for the Jones Boy in Northland, then there's a good chance there could be seven or eight other MPs that go in with you. Yeah, I think it's important that the listeners bear in mind that all along we've had a two tick strategy. We wanted to put our best foot forward and get out there and hustle for votes in a seat that's traditionally been National. Although there's been a lot of volatility up with Willow, surprising everyone and winning the seat with 17,000 votes. And Winston himself winning it in the buy election. Look, it's a good, it's a good wake up call. There's lots more work to be done and we've got the time to do the work, Mike. Well, there is some good news in the poll. We also asked if people could name the electorate MP for Northland, the National Act, New Zealand First and Democracy New Zealand candidates. And this is where it gets quite amusing. The Labour MP, Willow Jean Prime, only 39% of respondents could name her. 54% had no idea and 7% got it wrong completely. Okay. Grant McCullum's got a real problem here. So he scored top in this poll. But when pressed to name the National candidate, only 29% of respondents could name him, which is lower than the score he actually got. 69% said no idea.  You got 34% of respondents knew who Shane Jones was. And that was only marginally behind Willow Jean Prime's name recognition. So in terms of name recognition, you're in second place there, which is, I think that's a good indicator for you, Shane. Yeah. Look, I don't want to get too shillish, but if you break down the phraseology and curious question, they're really asking what party are you going to vote for? Yeah. And fortunately, they're saying 6% at this stage will vote for New Zealand first candidate. And that's really what that question was about, party identification. So if you look at, say, I think the last turnout, Cam, was 45,000 votes. So do the math yourself. A third of 45 is 15,000 votes. And I think you said 38% was the case with Grant. So that's kind of their long-term average, 16 to 17,000. That's what national consistently get, although Willow leapt from 8,000 up to 17,000 the last time. Yeah, but that was an aberration, and everybody knows that. So I mean, 18% pretty much is what the candidate consistently gets, and the party has been getting in Northland. If you divide, say, 9,000 into 45, you're getting close to the figure where historically Labour has achieved that. But no, I think the personal brand is well known, and it's really just breaking down some of the anxieties about their view about maybe decisions that were made in installing Jacinda and all stuff like that. But I've got to say, the voters are always right, although they do confound me because in Northland, no one claims to have voted for Willow, yet she wiped the field. Well, you know, we did ask a party vote question as well. What's interesting is that New Zealand First party vote indicator from the same people we polled was 5%, but when it came down to choosing the New Zealand First candidate, you were at 6%. So you're actually doing better than the party. Yeah, no, well, we've historically attracted a high percentage of the New Zealand party vote out of Whangarei and Northland. Are the ACT party standing a candidate in Northland this time round? Yes, they've got Mark Cameron. OK, so is he actually going to stand as a candidate for the seats or is he just a party list? He's standing for the candidate for the seat. Oh, really? OK. But I mean, let's have a look at his numbers there. He's just 3%. So he's slightly more than Matt King, but half of what you what you're getting. So, you know, it's not really a factor. It's more a factor on the party vote for the ACT candidate in Northland. They're getting 16% on the party vote, but only only 3% for the candidate. So a big marked difference there. And the party vote turned out for the Labour Party. It's down to 19%. Wow. Yeah. OK, so that's 9,000. Yeah, that's right. And if the 18% was Willows, then that's pretty much down to 8,500, which is the long term average. And then the people and then the 15,000 people, I think you said 30 odd percent. That's a third or 45. Whoever attracts them or wherever they go with a term in the uptown, mate. Well, that's always been the way those undecided voters and it'll be in. We're going to try and do another poll before the election and hope that we should see an indicator that that 30% number drops. But if we end up in the last couple of weeks of the election with still a large number of undecided, then that's going to become very interesting. And if it is the same across every electorate, then the result will be harder to pick than a broken nose. Yeah, tell me, Ken, what is your personal sense as to how many people will remain undecided until the last two weeks of the election? That's always confounded me because I've always been myself fairly certain about who I was going to vote for come the election. Although the last two or last three elections for myself, I've always sort of wavered until the last minute. But yeah, I think there's a large sector of society and I think that number 30% might be a little bit high, but it's somewhere between 20 and 30%. I genuinely undecided and sitting there going, well, we don't really much like the crowd that we've got in now, but we kind of don't like the National Party either. So when those people break and how they break is going to be really interesting. And I don't think we're going to see too much movement in that until the last couple of weeks. And then it could be a helter-skelter rushed towards the poll. And what are you put back down to, Ken? I think a lot of people are realising that changing the red team for the blue team is a case of diminishing returns. And they're just so similar in all of their policy settings. It's just the manner in which they want to deliver the result of what they want to do. You could put a tissue paper or a cigarette paper between the two policy platforms that National and Labour have. And I think that this election really should be the election of the third parties. But there's this disparate, a lot of disparate voices that are out there calling for this and calling for that. And there needs to be some sort of coalescence around a party that's likely to make it into Parliament. That's my personal view. What that party looks like, who that is? I don't know. Is it ACT? Is it New Zealand First? Is it Democracy New Zealand? The voters will choose and ultimately we'll get the results of that. But I'm not sure that David Seymour has earned the right to get more than 10%. Well, it's going to be hot. You're right, mate. It's going to be a wild ride. And I'm finding in the North a lot of people are quite cheery about telling you how they really feel. Yeah. Whether or not they're not fully engaged or they just feel anxious that if they give you the wrong answer, they're going to be pulverised. Isn't that just the tragedy of where New Zealand has landed right now? That people seem to be afraid to have an opinion. I can remember back in Muldoon's days, there'd be hundreds of protesters outside political meetings. And the National Party people welcomed the protesters. It was a bit of fun. And nowadays you can't seem to have an opinion that varies from what the mainstream media or the woke tell us we should be doing.   It's crazy. I'm on my way to actually meet up with some of the railway people, but I was horrified when I was told by some locals that the reason the $96 million which was allocated to reopen the rail to Aotea and the Bay of Islands to get the trucks and the freight off the bloody road because our roads are in a dire state. The reason they've been unable to do it was because a Hapu held a meeting and ordered them to cease and desist or they threatened violence. Now, obviously they ceased and desisted. That is absolutely unimaginably intolerable. What about the rest of the north? Why on earth should we be held ransom to by the timidity of Kiwi rail staff, but more importantly, about a couple of dozen hobbits threatening to do that. This is what's wrong with New Zealand.  You stand to the side. These are legal rights. We're doing this for the entire region and for New Zealand. There's been a rail here for decades. Decades and decades. In fact, that's how the original tow hen had got to Wellington on rail. And I think that that tiny example speaks to how we've allowed a very dangerous culture to take root that it's easy to hijack the agenda of a democratically elected government and reward the all chosen words of dangerous behavior of minorities. And quite frankly, this is what's driven me to be probably more adamant than Winston sounds on getting rid of the Waiitangi Tribunal's current rich, getting rid of co-governance and going line by line through a lot of our legislation and ensuring that we haven't institutionalized the ability for hijacked politics. But I think that's, you know, certainly a message that a large number of people are listening, you know, looking out for. I've just shortly before this spoken to Casey Costello and she was saying exactly the same sort of thing. That's what's motivated her to get into politics. You know, and I said to her during the during the chat. I didn't even know that she was married because the media have maligned her and Don Brash so appallingly over the years, labelling them as racists. And I fear that you and Winston are also going to get called racist spy. You know, these near do wells that my grandmother used to call them near do wells. And I've always thought that was a cute phrase, but I really understand it now. They don't have any interest in what's good for the country. They're only interested in themselves. Yeah, yeah. My grandmother used the word lay about. And there's a multi term for it. It's called model or I learnt that in our new age when we were at school, people who wouldn't pick up after themselves. And I look, mate, we're going to continue to bloody champion, well, so much champion, but promote and propound that message. But in relation to more work to be done. Well, there's boats to be harvested. We're certainly going to shrink the size of grants current boats, wouldn't some of them from labor and win over those 30%. So it's good to talk to you, mate. Yeah, well, I wish you all the best, Shane. Thank you very much. Hopefully we'll talk again now before the election. Okay, bye bye. This is The Crunch with Cam Slater. Conversations with a side of controversy right here on RCR.


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