TheCube presents Ignite 22, brought to you by Palo Alto Networks. Welcome back everyone, happy afternoon. It's Lisa Martin and Dave Vellante of TheCube. We are live at MGM Grand. This is Palo Alto Ignite 22, our second day of coverage. Dave, we've had some amazing conversations as we always do on TheCube. Cybersecurity one of my favorite topics. So interesting to hear what Palo Alto Networks is doing, how it's differentiating itself and how its ecosystem is growing. Yeah, well, one of the things I often use service now as a reference example, I go back to 2013. Had a kind of a tiny ecosystem and then sort of watched it grow. One of the key signs was when the global system integrators actually began to lean in, Accenture obviously, world-class, one of the, you know, definitely in the top, you know, they talk about top five QBs, Accenture, top five GSI, easy. Yep, and in fact, Accenture, we've got Rex Texton here, Senior Managing Director at Accenture Security. You guys have been the GSI partner of the year for Palo Alto Networks for four years in a row, six years plus strong partnership. Give us a little flavor and history of the Palo Alto partnership with Accenture. I think, you know, we started early, right? And they think as they've evolved, we've evolved our partnership with them. And as they've gone, you know, to more of a software footprint, you know, around cloud security and network security and SASE, we've seen a lot of growth and we're super excited about the opportunity that's ahead of us and the meaningful outcomes that we've been providing our clients as it relates to, you know, vendor consolidation, toll consolidation, tech debt reduction. There's a lot of opportunity here to simplify our clients' lives with them and that's something we're super excited about. Simplification, consolidation, been a theme of the last couple of days. Talk about some of the joint accomplishments that you guys have achieved. I know that you've developed a lot of offers across all of Palo Alto Networks GTMs. What are some of the highlights that come to mind? I think one of the things that we're most excited about, you know, not being client specific, is what we've been able to do on the network side with SASE and Zero Trust Network Access. You know, when COVID hit, there was a lot of change that happened with remote workforce and, you know, clients couldn't log in because their VPNs were crashing left and right and so we were able to go in and help stand up, you know, this Zero Trust Network's infrastructure and help our clients get back online and get their employees back to work in a productive manner. And then it's evolved with the hybrid work model over time. And so it's been a, that's probably one of the most gratifying. There was a real crisis at a certain point in time, you know, a couple of years ago. Rex, were there unintended consequences of that, you know, rapid, we were forced, you know, the forced march to digital in terms of just multiple tools, plugging holes and then sort of stepping back, you know, post-isolation economy saying, okay, hey, we got through this but now we need to take a new direction, new strategy. There is an unintended consequence. If you look at most clients have, I saw number 76, we counted as around 80 different security vendors and tools that they managed because a lot of people went and went after best of breed type capabilities. And so what we've seen now is the need to, you know, rationalize that, you know, their infrastructure and their capability and consolidate and reduce that and move to, you know, more of what I would call platform providers. If you only have 80 products, you have 80 integrations, 80 points of failure and I think it's very complex and, you know, there's a lot of finger pointing.   And drive that cost savings and then help scale their business because we have all these different vendors and what security is typically in the digital footprint is the slowdown, right? We've typically been the bottleneck in the past. And what we're seeing with what, you know, we've been very focused on is helping our clients scale their security footprints and their infrastructure and, you know, through automation, orchestration. I always say, some folks do it, you're mess for less with labor arbitrage and bodies but they're not enough security people in the world to do this. And so we're very focused on automation and orchestration and driving that into the market. Yeah, so you don't want to be in the business of filling those holes with labor. Exactly. You want to actually get paid for outcomes. 100%. And everything we've done is we've tried to simplify things, not only for, you know, big Accenture, but even for our clients so that we can be focused on business outcomes, not necessarily technology outcomes because doing technology for the sake of technology is that unintended consequence that you described earlier. Speaking of transformation and outcomes, I should say, what are you hearing most from CIOs and CISOs in terms of what they need now to be able to transform, to deliver the business outcomes so that they can become secure data companies regardless of industry? Yeah, I think the biggest thing we're seeing right now is the need to, you know, leverage true automation and orchestration. We have to break the head count model. There's not enough security professionals in the world to do, you know, to solve the world's problems. In order to scale that, you know, it's one of the reasons we're, you know, partnered with Palo Alto is because of, you know, the capabilities and the investments they've made in innovation to help drive that automation and orchestration through, you know, numerous capabilities from stock transformation to SASE, cloud security, et cetera. But our clients need to scale. They need to be able to go fast to net pace and they need to do it with confidence securely. And that's one of the big focuses. But the other focus is, is we're starting to see a need to, you know, vendor consolidation in the market. You've seen the acquisitions. I'm sure you've talked to people over the last couple of days. You know, there's a tremendous amount of consolidation going around. And what our clients, you know, are asking for is, hey, I need to reduce the number of vendors I interact with. I need to simplify my infrastructure. I need to focus on automation and orchestration from that perspective. What's happening with multi-cloud? What are you hearing from customers? You know, we hear a lot of the conversations about, oh, it's, you know, and I agree by the way, multi-cloud is kind of a symptom of multi-vendor. You know, Chuck Whitton's thing about multi-cloud by default versus design. You know, it's a good line and I think rings true. But what are customers telling you in terms of the real challenges generally and then specifically around security? I think it's, you know, each cloud, Service Fighter has their own security capabilities and security models and being able to train the people to be able to manage those different models. I think that's where, you know, tools like Prisma Cloud, for instance, come in and help clients be able to manage the security and compliance of those infrastructures in a way to do that and then to be able to manage application security consistently, right? It's not just the cloud itself, but it's actually the applications that may, you know, cross, you know, be for resiliency, but you know, be in multiple clouds and being able to make sure you have consistent security across those. I think, you know, one of the things that has permeated is just the, with data and identity and, you know, cloud infrastructure and tolerance management has been a big problem because it's like the wild, wild West. I always look when I look at identity in the cloud and how it's done, it looks like 1995 identity. It's ridiculously backwards.  That makes sense. Yep. You mentioned Prisma Cloud. Most recently, Accenture and Palo Alto developed the Secure Cloud Express. Can you talk to us a little bit about what that is and what outcomes is it going to enable? So, great question. And we're pretty excited about this because what we did with that was we manage cloud, you know, our cloud environments for numerous customers. So we've developed hundreds of policies that, you know, we implemented in Prisma Cloud to manage, you know, multiple clients, our internal infrastructure. What we did was we said, well, most of our clients have to build those from scratch. So what we said is we will come in in the best of week of time and come in and do a data-driven exercise to show our clients, you know, where they sit from a security perspective as it relates leveraging Prisma Cloud and those policies that we've created. And what that has led to is another step which is where we're focused on auto remediation. So, you know, when you get the findings, then what do you do with them, right? If you have hundreds or thousands of some cases, we've had clients with 1,100 findings and they just sit there and they go, whoa. You know, so to speak. And so what we've done is we try to take those highest, most frequent findings and build security as code to auto-remediate those for clients so they can choose to implement that and work down those, you know, findings very quickly which helps, you know, drive more value out of their Prisma Cloud purchases. Accenture obviously has deep industry expertise around the globe. What are you seeing in terms of industries actually? So as they digitize, not just their IT transformation but a business transformation, there's a starting to see companies, financial services in particular, bring their business to their cloud, satisfy their business. And specifically, I'm interested in what's happening at the edge with operations technology. We just talked about healthcare and medical devices. What's happening there? How connected or disconnected is that to the rest of the estate, multi-cloud, on-prem, et cetera? I mean, I think OT is fairly disconnected, right? Sure. From that perspective, obviously. But I think what we're starting to see is an uptick, you know, on, I think Secure Edge and Sassy will come to OT because it's a better way because what happens is if someone, you know, gets into the network, they can traverse it, right? If they can apply those zero trust principles to OT, which is, you're talking to people that have been, you know, wearing hard hats and engineers, that's a big shift for them. And so, I think you'll start to see that play a more prevalent, you know, with the industries, like, you know, financial services, we're seeing a huge uptick in cloud adoption, right? They were slow to do it, but now they're going at pace and faster than most, right? Yeah, sure.  And so you're starting to see a lot of people leveraging the best of what each cloud provider does well from that perspective. And just an aside, in that Palo Alto survey, we saw construction was one of the hardest hit industries, which I was like, what? And then, of course, it's because they're not really focused on security, they're focused on building stuff. No, it's really interesting. We're working with a large builder, I can't say the name, but one of the things that they're looking to do is, you know, they're moving to the cloud and they're building the capability to manage some of the, you know, the largest skyscrapers in the world, but also manage the OT sensors and then also setting that, creating another business, not only just managing those buildings, but managing other people's buildings for them and selling security as a service for that because they built that capability around their devices and switches, HVAC, et cetera.  Exactly.  My hope is that, you know, us as GSIs, you know, my fellow GSIs that we will help our clients make the better decisions this time around and not go to the Wild West.   So we're starting to see a lot more care and feeding into those environments as well. I'm going to ask you a question about the conversations that you're having. That survey that Dave mentioned, it was released yesterday. There's a board behind us. What's next in cyber? That was the survey. Amazing data that came from it, like 96% of organizations have been hit by at least one attack in the last year. They were surprised that the number was that high, but we know that no industry, no company is safe. But one of the things that the survey found that surprised me was that we always say, oh, security is a board level conversation. We know that to some degree, but what they found was lack of alignment between the board and the executive level. In your eccentric relationships, I know you guys have deep relationships across organizations and their boards. Can you help bring the board together with the executives and really not just talk about cybersecurity, but really develop a cybersecurity transformation strategy that actually delivers resilience? Yeah, no, absolutely. And we actually took a step back and reorganized our business this last year. And one of those areas that we focused on was within strategy and the C-Suite agenda, right? And we actually published, looking at Ganesh, it was either the CEO handbook, I think it's what we called it, but to help them and board to be able to drive more meaningful conversations that relates to risk and whatnot. And so we're very focused on that right now. And we need to up level our conversations within the organization, because even the buyers in these large, two years ago was mainly the C-Suite. Now we're dealing with the CIO, CTO, CFO, because these are meaningful business conversations that are driving business outcomes. And security needs to be a business enabler, not a bottleneck. Is the chief data officer starting to emerge as we see, you know, Nakesh said yesterday in his keynote and we talked about it with him when he was here, security is a data problem. Yep, it is, it's a huge data problem. And we're starting to, you know, I think we've talked a lot about zero trust, but zero trust data is a significant problem, right? Because that, you talk about the Wild Wild West, is we see clients that have people that have access to, you know, what we call development environment data, right? But then you find out that they can hop four levels over into production data, and this data has been exposed to, you know, the wrong people, you know, not focused on that least privileged aspect. I think data is a real problem, you know, Purna Kesh's statement in the cloud. It's something that really needs to be addressed. And I think we're starting to see a lot of innovation around that area, because what typical data security has always been, I have all these problems that creates, I call it noise, right? I got thousands of findings, and then they just sit there and they go, what do I do, right? It's too much. And so I think there's going to be more intelligence around that and more, you know, what I call auto remediation, right? Being able to remediate those findings quickly from that perspective. I've been watching this board behind us. It's this what's next in cyber, and people come in and they write. It's just been growing, you know, all week. And somebody just wrote SOC transformation. We were just sort of talking about that earlier. What, your estimation, what percent of organizations that you target, I understand that you're not going after the mom and pop organizations, but what percent of that, you know, fat middle and the tip of the pyramid that's your sweet spot, what percent of those organizations don't have a SOC? I mean, most every organization has a SOC.  They said, do we even need a SOC anymore? It could be a virtual SOC, so to speak. But I think, you know, and with SOC transformation, I think we could potentially head to something like that.  Security, you know, orchestration, automation, whatever.  And for one company to do it and build 20 of them or 30 of them, it doesn't pay off in the long run. And what we're starting to see is people, you know, bring to the table more crowdsource these capabilities so that they can scale those SOC transformations because it's really about, you know, orchestration and automation. That's where, you know, Nirvana comes in because it's not about people with headsets on looking at, you know, 20 screens. It's not helpful, right? Humans, we make mistakes. And so if we can automate as much of that as possible, get rid of the false positives, leverage AI and ML to do that. And I think we're starting to see, you know, what I would call more advanced AI and ML. I think in the early days in security, AI and ML was very nascent. And now you're starting to see, you know, more powerful concepts come in, better learning, better outcomes out of that. Well, there's a lot of modeling in the cloud still is, but it's increasingly going toward real-time inference. And that's, you know, game-changing. Last question for you. What are some of the things that are next on the plate for Accenture and Palo Alto Networks? What's next up? I think, you know, we're very focused on Sassy right now in the market. And I think we think that is, you know, I think both of us think that's the next big wave, right? Because I think what we learned out of, you know, these last two and a half, three years, is that these concepts work, but they can actually scale out to drive significant cost savings. And if you look at Accenture, you know, we don't have a network backbone anymore. We're pure cloud land, right? We're leveraging the internet for that. And I think that in what we're trying to do with Palo Alto and driving, you know, Cloud WAN and Sassy as a Service, I think will be super, super meaningful and... Well, that's interesting. That has implications for a number of companies out there.  And so we have to be very careful and thoughtful about how we work to make that happen at the time. A lot of opportunity. Rex, thank you so much for joining us on the program and really dissecting what Accenture and Palo Alto are doing, all the value in it for organizations across industries. We appreciate your insights. Thank you. Thank you. For Rex Thaksten and Dave Vellante, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE. Stick around, Dave and I will be right back with our next guest. This is theCUBE, the leader in live emerging and enterprise tech coverage.


I'm goody. Good afternoon, Mr. President. How are you? Good, sir. Nice to present you, Mr. Hansenberg. Good afternoon, Mr. Hansenberg. Nice to see you. I think maybe they'd like to have us sit down in their chairs. We're doing an interview. I'll show you over here. You're 7 years from New Wolf's stock. Well, I'm glad to hear that. Great to hear that. Your Prime Minister was kind of going to say that also. Yes. Did you enjoy his visit? Oh, very much. You had a good car he told. Yes. That was very, very pleasant. Very worthwhile. See more of the Swedes now. Totally. What had it been a long time? Yeah, 26 years.  You would speak to Mr. Hansenberg in my mind. I understand the invitation to you. You have rested up for a while. Thank you. Pleasant. It's the first time I've been happy to see the ring. It's the only reason I'm happy to see it alone on the tables. We were supposed to have a big picnic do for the Congress out there. And the cast. The cast were postponed. Yes. Which we did. And then after you postponed it, you think now we'll probably clear up. And then everyone will be disappointed. So I'm glad to see that we did the right thing. And then it's raining hard out there, right? It looks like it is. But to postpone some outdoor events, let Mr. Klaus have it. Yes. As a matter of fact, we had planned to have the dinner instead of indoors. We're going to have it down out here on the Rose Garden. We've done it once in a while. And it's very beautiful. I got it back. The weather did us in. Thank you, sir. Oh, thank you. Well, look at that. She knows there's a camera. I have a grandfather. This is my daughter, Jessica. Hi. Hi. Hi. How are you? Good. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. This is my son, Jamie. Hi. Hi. Hi. Oops. Hi. My son, Joe. Hi. Hi. Here's the picture.  Wait here.  I'd love to get it, Jessica. Right here. Listen to my speech. Here's Bill. One, two, three, four. That's great. Well, right here. One more. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Did you smile, Jessica? Yeah. Do you want to join me? Oh, I'm fine. My question is, they never did your eyes on the camera. This is fascinating, but...  What? You're really on it. Well, listen. I appreciate this. I'm sad we're leaving, but... Not as sad as we are. I know, but I'll have my husband more often. Around more often. Yes. It's well. Should I go in? Please. Yes. Thank you again for having me. Thank you. Thank you so much. Senator. Let's let them be received. Let you all get in place first. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you so much. So let the family get in place first. Yes. What's going on? I just thought I would tell you that at least we know some people that are very happy about the change that's taking place. Where is going? The news of this today, the market went up more than 75. 75 now. 75, right? 75. Yeah. Yes. Less dollars. A lot of dollars. Well, you know, seriously, I think we're all here with mixed emotions about what is taking place. I know, however, that one thing that now that I can do that he will no longer be advancing is the last I can go to Moscow. But that sounds strange to you, I'll tell you why I couldn't up until now, with Bill doing the advancing, advancing for a previous president in Moscow, and in the hotel after or one of the events, they got to speculating on what they'd heard about bugging and so forth, if maybe the hotel suite where they were wasn't bugged, so they started looking. And they couldn't find one until someone thought of the carpet and they rolled up the carpet and there was a metal plate, and with a pen knife they undid the screws and took out the metal plate and there were a lot of wires in there and they went at them and they tore them all out, and then they heard the crash as the chandelier in the room below. So I couldn't risk Moscow. I think all of us are very, it is mixed emotions. It is that your family is going to see much more of you now, and not have the long separations that they've had so many times, and at the same time though we're very sad, because he's been a master at what he's done, to do anything like that. I think this is between Geneva trips, Mr. President. Well, God bless you and thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. It really is going to be hard for me to say this. Truly appreciate everything that I've done here, you have been one of them. I have witnessed history be made as you move this country forward, and to me that is the greatest reward, what you've done for this country, the American people, and I look particularly at Jessica, and as I said in my letter of resignation, it's for these people here that they will really know the difference in your presidency as they grow up, because you've done everything for us, and I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. It's been my honor. Thank you. A little souvenir, and in no way reflects the great value of any place in all that you've done, and now I think Nancy has something for you. Yeah, Bill. I remember Venice, and the bed that was flowing over, Bill, you know, beauty power that was put in, and the, what else was done, the complete remodeling of the building. The painting, the wallpapers. The painting, the wallpapers, the Venetian bed linens, and you know, all of those things.  So grateful to you, Bill. So I just thought as a little reminder. Oh, that is wonderful. To Bill Henkel, the keeper of the bed, with deep felt appreciation. Thank you so much. Missing. Bill was always in charge, also, of the balloon risings after those very years. I came late to this operation with Bill Henkel, and I had only one trip that he advanced, and I can say that it never rained a drop while we were gone, but while we were in Venice, I marveled at the accommodations at the hotel, especially his own. And it was only by accident that I saw his accommodations, because mine were in a remote corner of the hotel, not very well lit. And after I was there a day or two, I was bold enough to complain to Henkel that my bathroom had no shower. And that if it had a shower, I, unlike him, had no robe that was given. And the next morning I found 15 robes that Bill had provided to show his prowess as an advanced man, and I thought I'd give you one. I think that's enough of the speeches, because now the food is, usually it's the reverse. The speeches come after them, but no, dig in. That's the other way around. Thank you.


The brilliant idiot's podcast. Yup, shawlamagne the god. Welcome to the brilliant idiot's podcast. We didn't do a podcast last week. We didn't do a podcast last week because it was Thanksgiving. Not to mention, do they know? They don't know, right? Oh, okay. I'll let, I'll let, I'll let. I don't know if he killed anyone. I just know they weren't. All right. Andrew's pregnant. I'll let him. Andrew's pregnant. He's expecting, but he'll be back next week. Next week, I believe, but yo, we had to take a break, man. It was Thanksgiving. And we're going to take another break for New Year's probably. I'll give you all the best stuff show like we do every year. But how are you? What's happening? We can just jump right into it. We're going to do all the usual segments. We're going to do asking idiot, a lot of asking idiot, but we're going to start off with what we saw this week. That was positively brilliant.  First and foremost, um, positively brilliant Django Django on motherfucking Netflix. Let me tell you something. What is that Django Django is a movie on Netflix. It's a Christmas movie. It's a holiday movie. It's a feel good movie. My wife wanted us to watch it as a family on Thanksgiving night. So we sat down and we watched it on Thanksgiving. And I felt like I wanted to cry four times. Now, mind you, I was completely sober.  But you end up enjoying it more than the kids do. Just because it's a lot of deeper meanings. My oldest daughter understood it because a lot of these Christmas movies end up being about belief and faith most of the time. Because, you know, Christmas is about Jesus, you know, the reason for the season. So a lot of these movies are about faith and belief. And, you know, Django Django is one of those in a Christmas story starring Ralphie has always been one of my favorite holiday movies. Probably my number one. It's not even close. It is my number one. That is my number one favorite movie. He's in this one. No, I'm just saying what Ralphie, the space that Ralphie holds in my heart journey from Django Django now holds in my heart. Like that movie is that good.  And the second time I watched it, I was like, I gotta watch this while I'm drinking. And I gotta watch this while I'm on an edible. Absolutely balling. And you have like, it takes you through a range of emotions. You know, you got tears of sadness at one moment. And then you got tears of joy, you know, by the end of the movie. And it's a musical.  You know what I mean? Because it's Christmas. It's the holidays. It's a really, really good film, man. So Django Django on Netflix is positively motherfucking brilliant. And I too believe that the square root of impossible is possible with me. See, you don't even know what that is because you ain't seen the movie. Okay. But trust me, when you see the movie, you will understand that will, that will become your Hakuna Matata kids. Trust me. All right.  Nate Robinson's team. There's no reason Nate Robinson should have ever been in the ring with Jake Paul. I didn't even think that was a match that was really going to happen. I do remember vaguely, you know, hearing somebody tell me that Nate Robinson and Jake, Jake Paul was going to fight on the undercard of the Mike Tyson and Roy Jones fight. And I said to myself, that's a bad idea. The reason it's a bad idea because any skilled fighter, anybody that does combat fighting for a living will embarrass you. Okay. And people think just because you know how to street fight, you can get in that motherfucking ring and box with people. No, it's not the same. He's calling himself the new Floyd Mayweather. Well, he's doing that because he's trying to bait Floyd Mayweather into fighting him, which is actually smart because if Floyd Mayweather bites that bait, that's a big payday for Jake Paul. You know what I'm saying? Like that'll be a huge payday for Jake Paul and he knows that. So I don't think, I don't think he thinks he can really beat Floyd Mayweather.   Like certain things I get fighting Conor McGregor, you know, Conor McGregor was the guy in the UFC at the time, but fighting Jake Paul, nah, you still have a great legacy. My brother, you don't have nothing to prove. Like that's like fighting the guy that runs up on you in the street and thinks they can beat you Floyd Mayweather.  So don't do that with Jake Paul. Let them know who you want him to fight. I want Jake Paul to challenge Clarissa Shields. That's what I want Jake Paul to challenge Clarissa Shields. Let me pull up Clarissa Shields stats, right? Clarissa Shields and Salute to Clarissa. That's the homie. Clarissa is, she's held three multiple world, she holds multiple world titles in three weight classes and she ranges the undisputed female middleweight champion. That's who Jake Paul should fight, okay? It would be a great matchup because it's black versus white because it's man versus woman. We have these conversations about equality and you know what women are capable of, what men are capable of. I think Clarissa Shields as skilled as a boxer she is. This is how much I believe in the science of boxing. As skilled of a boxer as she is, I think she will beat Jake Paul in that ring. And the reason I think she'll beat Jake Paul is simply because she has more experience. I really do. I think boxing is a science. Nate Robinson did not know the science. Back in the day, he was like, what's the science, God? Nate Robinson didn't know the science.  Did they not beat before? That's why they went into it? I think it started with some Twitter talk. And everybody's giving Nate Robinson credit and saying, yo, it takes real heart to get in the ring. Yes, it does, but it takes real brains to not get in the ring. Somebody like Floyd Mayweather was super smart. Floyd Mayweather was super smart because he picked his opponents. And he fought when he wanted to fight. And he fought who he wanted to fight. And he fought them how he wanted to fight them. Nate Robinson training for that little bit of time, getting in the ring with somebody who's been training the past four years, somebody who I've watched on pay-per-view before, somebody who actually boxes. That was just a terrible idea. A terrible idea. He needs to fire every single person around him.  Certain things aren't worth the money, man.  How do you ruin your basketball legacy?  How you ruin your basketball legacy in the boxing ring? Whenever people think Nate Robinson from now on, they're not thinking three-time dunk champion. They're not thinking his 10-year NBA career. They're thinking about that knockout that he suffered in the ring against Jake Paul. And I don't even blame Nate Robinson. I don't think it's Nate Robinson's fault.  He makes his own decisions. But whoever he had around him advised him wrong. Or maybe he just wasn't listening. I don't motherfucking know. But either way, it wasn't a good look for him. Y'all all saw him getting knocked out. And I want to see Jake Paul fight Clarissa Shields next. That's what you should call out, all right? Clarissa motherfucking Shields. But what? What you thought was worth the money was watching Tyson and Roy Jones. Well, I did that because I watched it because of the years of entertainment that Mike Tyson and Roy Jones have provided me. Roy Jones was the greatest fighter of the 90s. Hands down. There's nobody that knows boxing that'll tell you different. I know Mike Tyson was exciting. Mike Tyson had the video games. Mike Tyson had the reputation. Baddest man on the planet. Yes. He was he was all of that. But when it comes to pure boxing, just who's who's a better skilled boxer? Who was the best boxer, the greatest boxer?  Roy Jones. When he was boxing, dude, who do you think really showed one? Do you think it was Tyson?  It literally like it literally was just watching two old men in there tussling. It was a guy. You ever seen two old men fight for real? Like at a cookout or something? No. When they really fight it to cook out, you know they're not really going to hurt each other until one of them go grab a weapon. Now you got to keep, you got to keep them from going to get the gun.  I'll keep them from cracking a bottle and then trying to cut the person with the bottle. Other than that, all they going to do is wrestle until they out of breath. That's the point where I thought Mike Tyson was starting to like see that or feel that demon or whatever he says he has. I don't think so. I think that fight did exactly what it was supposed to do. I think that, you know, you were watching two guys who, they know how to put on a show and they know how not to hurt each other. And I think that they sold the fight well. I think Mike Tyson was made to look aggressive, you know, leaning into the reputation that he has and he looked aggressive and he looked tough I guess for a 50-something-year-old man. Roy was claiming he was hurt and that's going to open the door for Mike Tyson's new Legends League. And people are going to continue to pay money to see Mike Tyson fighting in the future. They did like 1.5 million pay-per-view buys at $50 a pop.  You know what I'm saying? 1.5 million pay-per-view buys at $50 a pop. Yes, they going to keep selling us these geriatric motherfucking fights, okay? You going to see Amanda Holyfield in there. You going to see, you might see Buster Douglas in there. You might see all, who knows? I don't even know. Is Buster Douglas still alive? I don't know. Lennox Lewis. I think he died. Buster Douglas died? I got a double check. See? That's how you know motherfuckers is old. When you have to check to see if they're still alive. And by the way, these guys ain't that old. I mean, they 50-something. Like, I don't know if Buster should be, Buster, if he's alive, he should have been in the 50s. He what? He's still alive. Yeah, apologies. He's alive. He's carrying them on, Chris. But that's how it is when you get older. When you get older and people ain't seen you or why they got to ask, are you motherfucking dead? But I thought it was brilliant. I thought that fight was politically brilliant, not because of the fight, but just because the way they sold it. 1.5 million paper review buys. The concerts in between. The great undercard, which I knew was going to be the most entertaining part of the night between Jake Paul and Nate Robinson. I thought it was great.  Democrats. And I want y'all to add this. Because I always talk about Democrats being terrible at messaging. And I saw Barack Obama, I think he was on, I think it's called Good Morning America, Snapchat or Snapchat America. Something like that. And he was having a conversation about defunding the police. If you watched the whole four minutes and 55 seconds, there's no way that you couldn't understand what he was saying. He totally agrees with the why of what defunding the police is. The why of what defunding the police is, is you want to take money from these inflated police budgets and reinvest it back into the community, reinvest it back into the school system, reinvest it into proper mental health care, reinvest it into just health care periods, create job training programs, just reinvest the money into the hood to the people that actually need it, provide opportunities for these folks. And he agrees with all that. He agrees with reimagining how people police in America. He agrees with police reform, all of that stuff.  It's interesting. We take for granted, if you want people to buy your sneakers, that you're going to market it to your audience. If a musician drops a record, there's going to try to reach certain audiences speaking to folks where they are. It's no different in terms of ideas. If you believe, as I do, that we should be able to reform the criminal justice system so that it's not biased and treats everybody fairly, I guess you can use a snappy slogan like defund the police, but you know you've lost a big audience the minute you say it, which makes it a lot less likely that you're actually going to get the changes you want done. But if you instead say, let's reform the police department so that everybody's being treated fairly, divert young people from getting into crime and if there's a homeless guy, maybe we send a mental health worker there instead of an armed unit that could end up resulting in a tragedy, suddenly a whole bunch of folks who might not otherwise listen to you are listening to you. And the reason he's right is because Democrats are so bad at messaging that they let the conservatives, they let the Republicans co-op the defund the police slogan or whatever you want to call it and turn it into something that is not. So when people hear defund the police they hear abolish the police, they hear get rid of the police and not actually focusing on what the why is, which is taking money out of these inflated police budgets and reinvesting that money back into communities that need it. There's no way anybody can flip that narrative if you just constantly talk about the why. And all I saw all day yesterday was motherfuckers arguing about the slogan.  It just needs to be explained. That's it. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with defund the police.  And there's one thing that Barack Obama said, two things that he said I thought was brilliant. One, he said that Democrats need to stop leaning on all the old establishment Democrats and start leaning into people like AOC. If you want to move people, they are moved by stories that connect with their own lives. They're not moved by ideology. Now, one thing I will say about the Democratic Party, promoting young people is really important. We stick so long with the same old folks and don't make room for new voices. You know, the Democratic National Convention I thought was really successful considering the pandemic. But, you know, the fact that an AOC only got, what, three minutes or five minutes when, you know, she speaks to a broad section of young people who are interested in what she has to say, even if they don't agree with everything she says. New blood's always good. And he's absolutely right. And the reason he's absolutely right is because AOC knows how to message and communicate to those people that they possibly could be losing. But it's this line right here.  Barack Obama said... The key is deciding, do you want to actually get something done or do you want to feel good among the people you already agree with? And if you want to get something done in a democracy, in a country as big and diverse as ours, then you've got to be able to meet people where they are and play a game of addition and not subtraction. That's all social media is. It's groupthink.   How are you bringing anybody in new? Chris, am I saying anything wrong? Stop me if I am. No, no, I agree with you. And I agree with him on that. I think the area where he's kind of playing both sides of the fence though is when he talks about we have to listen to new voices, which I agree with him. I think AOC is the future of the Democratic Party. I think Katie Porter is the future of the Democratic Party. But who's really responsible for Joe Biden being the candidate, the president-elect right now? Jim Clyburn. Obama. It's Obama. Jim Clyburn. You think it's that? Well, a combination because Jim Clyburn is the one who got him over in the primaries. True. But it was with Obama's push and co-sign. You know what I mean? So you could look at that as being hypocritical or you could look at that as an example of what he's talking about, which is saying things is great, but there's practicality. You got to be pragmatist. And Biden, I guess, was the pragmatic choice in their opinion.  Like, I think we look at Barack Obama in the symbol. The symbol of Barack Obama is revolutionary, right? Black president of America. Black president of America. He's revolutionary.  The symbol of Barack is revolutionary. But that's it. He's a politician at the end of the day. He's a centrist Democrat. Like, he's... And he was explaining... Barely. Barely, yeah. He actually leaves a little bit more conservative in some ways, would you say? Yeah. I mean, another thought I had, and I don't know if you've heard that, has there been pushback? I mean, he's being very vocal right now. He's being very out in front right now because he has a book to promote, right? Should he have been this outspoken before the election? Yes. Barack Obama should have been this outspoken two years ago, three years ago. And that's what I've always said. Once again, Democrats' messaging is terrible. The reason it's terrible is because everything that Donald Trump was doing was not normal. It was... It was teetering on fascism. And it was... We were really headed into, you know, really being under a fascist regime in a real way. They didn't do a good enough job of bringing the alarm about that. They made it seem like he was just another Republican. I have a question about that, though. Because aren't you... Because people will argue they're happy that Donald Trump was the president because it brings out the racism. Like on the Democratic side, I hear people say that it brought out racism and that it's another perspective, like a real perspective instead of a politician perspective and everything. Well, one thing America's good at doing is looking at the bright side. That's just the truth to the matter.    It's a lesson in everything. There's a lesson in this.  That's just the truth to the matter.  We took the presidency for granted. And I can understand why people felt that way because in our minds, some of us felt like we never felt the trickle-down effects of what a president was doing in the White House, you know? But for whatever reason, it feel like everybody felt Trump. Everybody. All walks of life. Black, white, rich, poor, everyone. It just feel like everybody felt that. And I was reading, I read Barack Obama's book, because, you know, we interviewed Barack Obama last week. And, you know, David Axelrod has a line in the book that made me think about, you know, what a second Trump administration could have looked like.  And that's very true. But David Axelrod said, when people already have it bad, they don't possibly think it can get worse. But it can. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I was just like, that is what a second Trump administration would have looked like for America.   Whatever that would have looked like. But luckily, we avoided it. But, you know, just to go back to what Barack Obama said, I don't think he's wrong about the premise of the defund the police slogan, as he called it, the snappy slogan. It's a non-starter for some people. But let me ask you a question on that, though, because did the Democrats create the slogan, defund the police? Or did that kind of organically rise out of what was happening on the streets and then they ran with it? Yes, and that's another point I'm trying to make. Thank you for saying that, Chris. Politicians aren't supposed to talk like activists. Activists are supposed to talk like activists. Let the activists be radical. Let the activists talk about calling for defunding the police.  And then the politicians that agree with them, but no, they can't go sit in Congress and try to get things like defunding the police past as far as the title is concerned. But yes, we can, you know, reallocate resources from these police departments into the communities that need it. You just can't call it defunding the police. But once again, if you approach it with that narrative, if you approach it with that explanation, if you talk about the why, not the what, don't talk about the what to defend the defunding the police the why. Why does this need to happen? Nobody can dispute the why. Nobody. I think it's kind of ridiculous though because when I hear defund, it's what also the definition of defund means though. Why are people not understanding that? Because the Republicans took it and turned it into something it wasn't. Like literally they brainwashed America to make America think defunding the police means abolish. Defunding the police means get rid of. That's why the best person I've seen answer that question was Senator Kamala Harris. Well now Madam Vice President Kamala Harris, and I posted this yesterday on my Instagram when she was on the view because Megan McCain, the way Megan McCain even worded the sentence, she said, what do you think about people wanting to defund the police, abolish the police? There's two different things. Kamala didn't even bite on the defund the police. Kamala said, yes, I do believe in taking away money from these bloated police budgets and giving it to the people that need it and she was breaking down the things that people need. Then Megan McCain doubled down and came back and said, yeah, but what do you think about defunding the police? Kamala said, defund the police. Don't even get caught up in the semantics.  Don't even get caught up in that. We know what defunding the police is. We know the why of defunding the police. Focus on that.   That's my thoughts on it. I think that's all I have for positively brilliant. What about you joined our Lucas on the breakfast club? Snoop Dogg getting a deal to be a...   Let me do this ad. Salute to Lucy.  Lucy nicotine is a company founded by Caltech scientists and former smokers looking for a better and cleaner nicotine alternative.  Research and develop for three years to be made for people, not patients. Lucy has created a nicotine gum with four milligrams of nicotine that comes in three flavors, wintergreen, cinnamon, and pomegranate. Lucy also has a logins with four milligrams of nicotine and cherry ice flavor. Each and every flavor actually tastes great and it's convenient and discreet. I've heard it tastes great. 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Social media in a nutshell is literally we see something. We're not even fully aware of what we're seeing because we're not seeing the full context of whatever that thing is, and we all form these opinions. I saw Malik Beasley walking in Miami holding hands and the way it was brought to me and the way it was spun to me was he was cheating on his wife. And I was like, yo, this young boy is wild. You know what I mean?  Black men don't cheat, but young black boys do.  He walking around Miami, holding hands with his side chick. I was like, yo, this dude is wild and he clearly wants to divorce. Come to find out him and his wife being separated. But people are coming at Larisa because, you know, he's older or she's younger. She's older than him and dating, you know, someone younger. That's corny. Huh? That's corny because that's a double standard. Don't nobody say that when old men be with younger girls. I know, but I just saw some reactions of people and like they had a picture of, I guess their kids and saying that they would be from that type of way. You know, the sad part about that is we always speak from a perspective of not being in a person's shoes. Because guess what? I don't know how old Larisa Pippen is. How old is she? I don't know. I guess she has to be Kim's age. So I guess 40. Kim who? Kim Kardashian. They were friends. Google her age real quick. Let me see how old Larisa Pippen is. It might be fake too. What, her age? Yeah. It says that she is, yeah, 46. 46 years old.  You know what I'm saying?  They got to get this Bluetooth to do you right.  All right. So don't knock that woman. I don't like that. That is a double standard I don't approve of. Cause if that man was, if it was a 46 year old man with a 24 year old girl, motherfuckers would be applauding. Okay. And saluting that man. So normalize cougars being with young women. Shit. Taylor mom being my DMs all the time. Say I knew something about the husband. My mom is happily married with a black man. I'm not saying she's not. All I'm saying is she been in my DMs for the past two weeks offering me pie. And what's her, what's her? Asking me over and over has Taylor giving you my pie yet. Why do you make it sound? What's her, what's her IG name? Um, Philly girls. Philly chick. Philly chick two on five. Oh, it's OG. Taylor's mom's IG is OG Philly chick two on five. All right. Anyways, I'm sorry they tried to frame you, my brother. Black men don't cheat. Keep up the good work. Yeah. His wife said that she was unaware of what was going on. Well, I guess it doesn't matter. They separated. Yeah. They don't have to know. You're right. Um, so G Herbo.  G Herbo. He is charged in Massachusetts with elaborate fraud scheme with designer puppies, private jets and Jamaican villa. Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out what a designer puppy is. I think it's the baby, a baby panda. I feel like the designer puppies are like kind of what, what's that? Oh, a Kylie has. Um, she has these ugly little dogs and they're really, I don't like them. But what if we find out a designer puppy as a baby panda? It's not, though. But these dogs are mad expensive though. Like a couple of thousands. I don't, I don't have an opinion on the G Herbo situation. Just like I don't have an opinion on the cast and Nova situation. Um, because I feel, and I don't think G, I don't know if G Herbo was a Rico case. I think the Rico, I don't, is Rico just in New York? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if the Rico is a national thing or not.  Um, but I feel like sometimes they grab these brothers who have a lot to lose and they lump them up in these cases, you know, with people that they may know, may not know people that they may grow up with, have grown up with, whatever, just to try to get them to fold. You know what I mean? Um, just to try to get them to give up information just because they know that these brothers want to be, be on the screen and they just trying to, you know, convict people to build cases. So I don't know. I don't have an opinion because I don't know any of the details of the situation. I mean, I read up on G Herbo situation. I read up on cast and Nova situation. And I just think it's a terrible situation for, you know, both of those brothers to be in. And I truly do wish them the best because I just know them from being a radio personality and, you know, interviewing them and having conversations with them. You know, I met tax.  I think he had just came home and he was on house arrest. And, you know, he was, he was, he was doing security to make ends meet. You know, when you, when you on probation or parole, you have to have a job. And at the time that was his job.  I thought that was dope. So to see him in this situation, I think it's, I think it's horrible. So I don't, I don't have an opinion on ease the situation because I'm not, I'm not one of y'all Instagram detectives. You know, I was tripping. Say what? I was going to say, even a former NFL player, um, Carlos Rogers was caught in the scam too. But I didn't read up on this pool. Carlos Rogers, he's from Washington, the former Washington football team in San Francisco 49ers. I think I did read that story.  There's no if fans are butch about it.  It may not be the day.  So God bless. All right.  You put on that application.  I did hear that from someone who's, uh, involved in improving the loans that they think it's like you said, it's not going to happen today. It's not going to happen tomorrow, but they're going to come looking for this stuff, for the documentation and the proof. And the person who told me was like, give it to maybe three years. A lot of people are going to get caught up in a lot of problems. Yes. A lot of people getting caught up now, but they, well, yeah, they've arrested a lot of people for PPP fraud, but it's going to be worse in the next two or three years because right now they get the big guys, right?  Well, I just heard someone in, like someone that I went to school with, she just got caught $400,000 from a small business. That she never had. The business never existed. That's a whole other story with her.  It's all for a nigga. What you mean? She's just spent mad bright on him and it was $400,000. Wow. Now he going to be out here dicking down another girl with money that you risked your life for, took a penitentiary chance for. I don't feel sorry for them people, man. I really don't. And the main reason I don't feel sorry for them is because I know a lot of people with small businesses who couldn't get access to that money. That's the other thing that bugs me out though. How is it so easy for the scammers to get loans but people who have actual legitimate small businesses? She used their cards though. They had a business card and she just would run or spend money on that card. How much are you good? I didn't even know what was going on. Don't do that. I was just saying that I know someone and now the guy left it for a white girl. That's all I'm going to say. Wow. Speaking of white, every girl you saw on vacation during the pandemic in a white swimsuit, absolutely was participating in PPP fraud. The white swimsuit is a tell-tale sign of motherfucking PPP fraud. The white swimsuit with a random woman on vacation, tell-tale sign of PPP fraud. Mark my words. I know somebody that's going to jail. Watch. Two years from now, Taylor. Watch. Two years from now, she's going to jail. Mark my motherfucking words. But you know the thing with the PPP, it's not only fraudulent businesses that don't exist. I mean, at the end of the day, these things are loans and I think a lot of people are operating as if it's free money. Yes. You're going to have to pay this back.  Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but I think a lot of people just assume it's all going to be forgiven or it's free money. It's not. It's a loan. Well, it's forgiven if you're actually using it to pay employees. If you can prove that you have kept the same people on payroll for an extended period of time, I think they do forgive those. But for people who just kind of fudged it and came out with fake employees, it was like, you got to give that money back and I don't think people are really prepared for that.  I did it because my financial team said I could do it. It was like, why not? You have employees and I kept all my people on payroll. I mean, you see with JT what happened to her. That's why she went to jail in the first place. So with the JT, today's JT born day.  Y'all going to start showing JT some motherfucking respect. Okay. JT from the city girls. And I was telling Taylor this earlier, JT from the city girls is actually one of the dopest female rappers out.  Cause that project that they put out the, what was it called? City on Lock? Yeah. I think it was called City on Lock. City on Lock is a phenomenal motherfucking project. Just the records they had on there like, what is pussy talk? That's your favorite song one day. Yo, don't act like JT in young Miami and Doja Cat didn't snap on pussy talk.   Broke niggas don't deserve no pussy. Now that's a slogan. That's a, that's a slogan. She ain't saying that this week clear. No, she ain't saying it like that. How she said it? It was on one of her songs, like her makes tapes and everything.   That is real clear, cut precise into the point. Young Miami got busy on that JT got busy on that JT. JT said, JT said the only thing. What, what she said?  And you ain't moving work. That's dreams that you selling.   She don't want no car. She don't want no bucket. She did ask for a bucket in the beginning of it.   That's, yo, by the way, that's how you take a negative and turn it into a positive.   Take that money, invest into somebody else. Take that money, pay a girl's tuition. Let her go make something of herself. Cause you just gonna go to jail and guess what might happen? When you go to jail in two or three years, she might be your attorney.   Happy born day to JT, man.  Those two young ladies make great music. Amazing music.  So, so anyway, so going on to that cause I think y'all talked about it a couple of weeks ago. No, happened this week when the guy got upset, the owner got upset with people dancing on the furniture. Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that. So if that song came on, would you think that like, okay. Yo, broke niggas don't deserve no brunch. All right. And yo, stop. First of all, that restaurant, I think it's called true kitchen cocktails or something like that. Why do y'all keep talking about the music? Explain that to me. What did the music have to do with that situation?  Some spirit girl spiritual. Yeah. Negro spirit.  That man went to those women. Two times. Yeah. I didn't know that. Asked him, asked him nicely to just cool out. You know what I'm saying? Let's enjoy brunch.   What did you expect that man to do?  Call the cop. You think the white man would have been calm and collective and went and had a conversation with them a couple of times.  That brother went to them twice, acknowledged them, asked them to please stop. They didn't stop.   Yeah, that's it. I didn't understand that part. But I didn't mind the speech. I didn't mind the speech.  But I didn't mind the speech because I don't know what context that speech was in. I don't know if those young ladies were still there. I don't know. I don't know what it was. I don't know, you know, why he chose to have that conversation to that room in that way. But I think it's different when you're black and you're talking to a group of black people. He thought that he could connect with his people in a different way. Like it was almost like talking to family. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm a black business owner. So I want to have this, you know, Martin Luther King, I have a brunch speech. You know what I mean? And I want to connect with y'all in a real way.  Like saying that to the whole restaurant. I don't think he should have talked to the whole restaurant in that way based off, you know, what happened with that young lady. But once again, he's a owner. That's his motherfucking spot.    Treat the black people with the same respect. Yeah, I get that too. But you know what? Back to your other question, well, just doing make sure that's a clip because I saw a meme that was like about based off of that, what happened? And I'll just show it to you because they were saying black people will dance to anything. And it was like a video of a black person dancing to like the ice cream song and everything. Ice cream song?  Like the ice cream truck song. Huh? I'll show you the video. Don't worry. What does that have to do with what we're talking about? Because you were saying, you were asking the first question, you said why, what was wrong with the music that he was playing or why y'all making the world? I'm telling you, there's nothing wrong with the music.  Yeah, I'm a fucking, I'm a, I can't help it. You know what I'm saying? I hear nothing if you buck. It makes me feel the way. I can't help it. Those are Negro spirituals.  She didn't do that because she couldn't.  I'm feeling it is. It is. I remember that song a lot. Either way, I don't think it had nothing to do with the music. I just think it was a sign. It was, it was disrespected.  Oh yeah. He serves good food there too.   No, but they were sitting down inside. Don't do. Man, it wasn't no social distance. And then people was close. They were, they were, but I'm the same. All right.  You won't care about that. Drake announces launch of Nike sublabel, which he, I like the name of it. What is it called? I didn't look at the thing. Not, it's like short for nocturnal. And he said, it's for the creative who be up at night. Creative process. Yeah. I like, what's the name of it? What's the actual name of it? Nocturnal creative process. But I thought it was short. I thought it was like not told or something like that. Yeah, not the N O C T A. I love that name. I think that's dope. Hold on. N O C T A. Is that an acronym for something? Let's see. Either way, I like it. I like the whole, I like the branding of the nighttime creative process because that's tapping into, that's tapping into a market. People haven't tapped into it yet. And I used to always like when Drake would tweet out scary hours. Well, I only remember him doing that once. And now it's when back to back dropped. So I could be biased. And the candle he's making. I don't care about that. I don't want a candle that smells like Drake. What if he smells good?  Why? That should be the first one. Started from the bottom. Would you buy a Drake candle? Called bottom. That should be the first one he puts out called bottom. Now you would look buying a candle.  And that should call bottom. So this is, it smells like Drake's bottom?    You didn't talk about with like Obama going to take the, what I should call the test, the COVID vaccine and camera on camera. Yeah. I don't know if y'all heard Barack Obama. It was him. George Bush. Yeah. George Bush said they'll all take the vaccine for coronavirus.  First of all, how do we know that they getting it? And they said they would do it publicly. How do we know they get actually getting the real virus injected into them? I mean, the real vaccine injected into them.  Like they can show us anything on TV. How do we know that they're actually getting injected with the vaccine? And I'm not an anti-vaccine person, even though I've never gotten the flu vaccine in my life. Clearly when I was younger, we got vaccinated because, you know, you had to be in school and stuff.  Not either. And Barack Obama was talking and he said something like he understands why black people, you know, are leery about taking the vaccine because of the Tuskegee experiment and things of that nature. And it's just like, so I'm going to take it to show y'all. Let's never forget Barack Obama's half white. That's his white side talking. You know what I'm saying? The black side of him is like, you take, stick it in the left arm. The right arm is the black side. We ain't, we cool over here.  The black side is like, eh, I don't know, Barry. They also said that healthcare workers and long-term care facilities will be like the first, or suggested to take the first ones. As they should. As they should. Healthcare workers are around. People with coronavirus all the time. You know, people who watch over older folks, they should be, they should be, you know, on the front lines of taking it. Chris, you going to take it? I'm very torn about it, to be perfectly honest.   Imagine how Barack feel. Exactly. I don't actually take the flu vaccine because of Lyme, so I really don't take vaccines anymore. But if you look at what a vaccine is, I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking like, okay, they say this vaccine has a 93% rate of success. And I think people mean, think that means if you get the shot, there's a 93% chance you don't get COVID. It doesn't work like that. What it really is about is how many people take the vaccine in general. So the thing's only going to be successful if the vast, vast, vast majority of Americans take the vaccine. If not, the percentage could be down like 50 or something because the COVID is still going to be circulating. So on one hand, I know for this thing to go away and for the country to get back to where it needs to be, I need to be part of the overall population that's taking the vaccine. We all do. That's the only way that any of this shit's going to work.  I don't want to be the first one. I want somebody else to take it. But the problem is how long is it going...  Any side effects will probably take weeks or months to rise to the surface anyway. So it's a real tricky situation, to be honest. By the way, they don't need us.  Sure they do.   That's more than enough. Are you saying, Chris, that a large majority of people have to get the vaccine in order to create some type of herd immunity? I don't understand what you're saying. Essentially, there's two terms. Efficiency versus... I can't remember off the top of my head, but kind of in layman's language, almost everybody has to take it to work. And you can say white people will take it. I can promise you the people who aren't going to take it are all these Republicans who are running around refusing to wear masks and that sort of stuff. So right there you can take all those people off the board. Then you got African Americans who are historically for a reason skeptical about taking vaccines. So as I see it now, you're going to have a large segment of the population who's not going to want to take this thing right off the bat. So people are talking about, they're going to start rolling it out in the next couple weeks and return to normalcy by summer. I don't quite see it, but I hope I'm wrong. You think they'll make it mandatory? I doubt it. If they didn't make math mandatory, I don't think they'll make the vaccine mandatory. The biggest problem I have, man, is you hear certain people talking, they talk about how coronavirus is impacting the black community and you got to make sure that this vaccine gets to the people that need it most. I think it was Governor Cuomo who said, we got to make sure black and brown people have access to this.   Where's the sense of urgency to invest money into the black community? Where's the sense of urgency to make sure our schools are good? Where's the sense of urgency to make sure that police are defunded? Where's the sense of urgency for job training programs? There's no sense of urgency to ever put any great resources in our community any other time. But when it comes to this vaccine, all of a sudden motherfuckers want to be Captain Savin and freaking come through the hood with this. Because we need you right now. That's basically what it is. Well, I'm not with it. But listen, I'm not going to say I'm against it. I'm just saying I'm not going to be on the front lines.  Y'all run out there, pay all that money for the new PlayStation 5, and then six months when they got the bugs worked out and they got better updates, that's when I'll go out there and grab one. If I need it, I may not even need it. What else you got, Taylor?  What'd you say? No, everyone's going to have to get it at some point.  And then I can go back to normal. But then the problem is you're going to have those people going back to normal. They're going to be exposed. So long story short, buckle up. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, but again, I hope I'm wrong. Really? Nah. It's definitely light at the end of the tunnel. You're going to be back to normal by summertime, Chris. I hope so. Do you think that like no mask, like no one's going to be still? No, no, no, no, I would still wear a mask. I mean, I think the Asians had it right. Yes.  Why do you always wear a mask? This is years. They've been wearing masks. Every year when I go to Taiwan, you take the subway, you walk down the street. A lot of people have masks on. And again, the thing to remember is, the mask isn't about protecting you. It's about protecting other people. It's to stop you from spreading your germs to other people. So I think masks are here to stay. I mean, I don't see myself taking a subway without a mask. I might get on the subway next year. I'm going to have a mask on. I can't see myself getting a haircut or anything where I'm in close proximity to somebody without a mask. I mean, I think people are going to be wearing masks going forward. And that's just how it's been in Asia. And I think we're going to adopt that.  It's the same way like Asians don't wear shoes inside. The second you come inside, not all Asians, but, you know, my wife's family, a lot of Asians don't wear shoes. You know, when my wife started asking me to take my shoes off, I was like, why am I doing this? This is crazy. I never took my shoes off coming inside. Once you start doing it. I mean, that's a South thing. It's a South thing too. Man, wipe your feet and take your shoes off when you walk in my house. No, no.  My wife said now. White people are late to that, but I'm here to tell you once you start doing it, you realize it makes a lot of sense.  We've been doing that since we were kids. Take your shoes. You walk and take them shoes.  Really? Yes. Hell, yeah. I can't get out with today. White people are not washing their legs in the shower. This falls into the same category. No, wash your lace, bro. I keep hearing that. I don't know if that's true or not. I think there's probably some truth to it. Why wouldn't you wash your lace? That's a stretch. You don't wash your jeans like that, right? White people don't wash their legs and black men don't work out their legs.  And don't do no leg work out. Yeah, I'm going to keep wearing a mask. The mask is tricky. The mask makes you brush your teeth more. That I'll tell you. I walked out of the radio station the other day and I kept saying the page.  Did we step in something? I kept smelling it.    I said that a lot of people weren't going to wash or brush their teeth anymore because of the mask.   Let's pay some bills.  You forgot one thing. You guys don't talk about Dave Chappelle and I go on Netflix. You don't care? Oh, we didn't talk. Oh, we was off last week. Yeah. Dave Chappelle in Netflix. What were my thoughts on Dave Chappelle in Netflix? My thoughts on Dave Chappelle, I think Dave Chappelle summed it up very well. When Dave Chappelle said they didn't do anything wrong because I signed the contract. I signed the contract. No, no. He said what they're doing is perfectly legal because I signed the contract. What is it right? It's a good question. Can you explain what it is? Because I didn't really understand what that story was about. Okay. We can insert some of it. Basically Dave Chappelle was on Netflix. Dave Chappelle doesn't get any money from Netflix to scream in the Chappelle show because of a deal he signed with CBS Viacom or Viacom back in the day and it's that line man, that line that says we own your IP for perpetuity. You know what I mean? Which is a line that I get taken out quite often. That's just in the contract. That's the thing about contracts. You can't even take contracts. You can't even be offended by them. It's nothing to take personal. It's business. And you just have to negotiate your business properly. Dave Chappelle said I was 28 years old. He was young in the game. Right? He had a newborn son. He just wanted to eat. So he signed something. Some people can say he got taken advantage of. Probably did. But he's 28 years old. He's 28 years old. He's young. He didn't know any better. And now that he's older and he has the leverage to deal with that situation. He's using it. That's usually how it goes in the game, right?  You get got. A lot of people don't get the opportunity to become a Dave Chappelle and can make that corporation right that wrong. By the way, the people who signed Dave Chappelle back in the day, they're not at Viacom no more. So they're long gone. But Viacom still has the rights to that IP. So shouldn't he be having the convo with Viacom then? I'm assuming Netflix is paying Viacom so he should be getting the cut of what Viacom is getting. Well, he is. His energy was directed towards Viacom. He had nothing but love and praise for Netflix because when he went to Netflix and told Netflix the situation, they removed Chappelle's show. So his gripe is with Viacom. But I think I'm pretty sure Viacom is going to make that right. But once again, everybody don't get to be Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle is a force of nature. He's a movement unto himself. He's a legend. And I think the way that he broke it down was very accurate. I signed the contract. I signed the contract the way the 28-year-old expecting father broke signs of contract. I was desperate. I needed a way out and it wasn't good money and it wasn't good circumstances. But what else am I going to do, I said. And all these white people sitting at that table told me, trust this, Dave, it's a good contract. And I looked around the table and they all seemed to agree it was a good contract. But what if what if they were all friends and I didn't know it? I'm going to be trying to tell you guys that I believe that Comedy Central gave me a raw deal just because I'm black.  Stuff like that is supposed to happen to you when you green. And then when you evolve and you get older you do what Chappelle is doing now. Some people choose to handle it behind the scenes. Some people choose to use their platform and voice their you know discomfort with the situation. I can't find the the Chappelle show isn't on any platforms now. I don't know if it's not on any platforms. I know it's not on Netflix anymore. I was watching that. I never watched it. I think it's been on HBO Max.  Like I said, when I tell people things like it's all about how you negotiate. Yeah. When you get to a certain age when you and your late 30s, early 40s and you done been around the block several times. Yeah. You shouldn't be getting like if I get at this point in my career it's on me because I've been here. You know what I'm saying? Like I've been here. Another thing that Chappelle said that was very sharp was when he talked about you know lawyers and agents and managers and making sure they're not all in cahoots. You know what I'm saying? Because when they're all in cahoots they just trying to get the best deal for themselves. I've been in situations like that with agents. I've been in situations where I thought an agent was looking out for my best interest but the reality is the agent was representing me and representing a whole bunch of other talent and sometimes they negotiate against each other. Like they'll be like well look, I'll get Charlemagne to sign for this I probably should have got way more but I'll get Charlemagne to sign for this you know but you got to give this person over here a little bit more or vice versa I'll get this person to sign for this amount but make sure Charlemagne gets this I don't like that you know that's white but that's just the game and you got to know that and Dave knows that now and Dave also knows who he is and Dave is like run me my motherfucking money let's go back to the table and make this a fair situation for all parties involved you know but I was also wondering too I was wondering if I was wondering if at some point because it's hard for me to believe that Dave did two seasons of Chappelle show about to do a third season clearly it had to be some type of renegotiating going on because they offered him that $50 million deal that he ultimately walked away from so I wonder if you know what he wants now he could have got back then if he hadn't walked away because clearly there was some renegotiations that happened clearly it had to be two seasons of Chappelle show and then they come and offer him this big $50 million check like it had to be some other type of negotiations that were happening in that scenario so I was just wondering if he breached in some way shape or form because he walked away from the contract but you know other than that I think Chappelle is doing what we all should do you live and you learn it's not like Chappelle signed his deal at 40 something years old he was 28 brand new green had a new job he said that himself and you know like he said what they did was perfectly legal but is it right that is the question that is absolutely the question I don't know if it's right or not I just think it's business and I think in business there's no permanent enemies there's no permanent friends that's it so when you see situations like Dave Chappelle all you youngins you know when you don't I can't even sit here and say when you don't have that leverage because I don't think none of y'all are in a position to not have that leverage anymore and what I mean by that is most of these people that are getting deals from these corporations now they're getting deals based off work that they're already doing on their own they're getting you know partnerships now because of the fact that they have all of these social media followers or because they have all of these analytics that corporations can look to and say oh he's got this many views on YouTube or she's got this many views on YouTube or she sold this many records independently or you know she started her own YouTube channel and she's already got a built in audience like they got to approach you a little different when you've already built your own so I can't even sit here and say these kids don't have you know no leverage because they have all the leverage in the world trust me I'm an executive you know what I mean I'm in these rooms you know what I'm saying I'm in these rooms having these conversations about you know this next wave of radio personality, podcasted, TV whatever it is I'm hearing the conversation I'm telling you kids I'm not once again I tell you all this all the time you can either listen to the people who've never done it try to tell you how to do it or listen to the people that are doing it tell you how it's done I'm telling you you people have all the leverage in the world if you're building things on your own they're watching all of this shit they know exactly how much analytics you got they know exactly what your numbers are and make sure you know all of that so when you pull up to the table you can take it or leave it and it's very hard it's been hard for some years it's very hard to negotiate with this era this generation unless you're offering them some real life changing shit because they already good they making money they making millions of dollars doing what they're doing so you got to approach these kids with partnerships they don't fucking need you I think I saw something another day with 85 South show got like 300 million views on YouTube just off their podcast some extraordinary number that major TV shows don't have that major networks who have YouTube pages they don't even got those kind of views so what the fuck can you do with 85 South except approach them as a partner that's it there's nothing else you can do with people like that and they not the only ones is all I'm saying so trust me man you brothers and sisters you got all the motherfucking leverage use it guys like Dave Chappelle they went through that so you don't have to go through that that's it now let's play some bills before that just making it clear we got everything the Snoop Dogg what was your thoughts on him doing the commentary I thought that Snoop Dogg offered a real nigga perspective and I think real nigga perspective always cuts through to the bullshit when you listen to the announcers talk about oh my god he look at that punch oh he got hit oh he's down for the champ that's some old school dumb shit and by the way there was an announcer up there with him like that I can't remember the guy's name but he's that old school announcer when you just sitting there watching Snoop talk like how you and your homies are sitting around talking that shit cuts through I run here Snoop Dogg on every if he was a commentary on any sports thing I'm watching it because you know why? real nigga perspective real nigga perspective always cuts through I tell y'all this shit all the time and on anything when I first started in radio the best thing that ever happened to me was I did not know how to do radio I still don't know how to fucking do radio I still don't know I just used to open the microphone and talk the way that we talking the hood the way that we communicating the hood that's all I knew I didn't have background experience as a journalist as a broadcaster whatever whatever that's why my dumb ass got fired four times but guess what I stuck to that and the reason I stuck to that is because all I know how to do is be me I don't have experiences I mean I have experiences I don't have like education in a certain thing you know what I mean like nobody taught me how to do this like I don't have any other way other than to approach this microphone and be me and that's what Snoop Dogg does everywhere he goes there is nobody better at being Snoop Dogg than Snoop Dogg just like there's nobody better at being you than you and that's why you motherfucking keep losing cause you keep trying to be a second rate version of something else instead of being a first rate version of your motherfucking self and so Loot to Snoop for that performance during like the half time whatever it was and Lil Wayne was supposed to I never enjoyed someone I could not really enjoy rappers solo but I enjoyed Snoop's performance like I could watch them all day that's what you call classic catalog by the way there's not one artist who performed at that I didn't see the other ones well no I take that back French Montana performed YG performed French was with French was with Swae Lee I'm missing somebody French, Swae Lee YG somebody else performed and it's slipping my mind right now I can't oh St. John and I think somebody else but they all fit and the reason they fit is because you had the undercards and you had the Nate Paul I mean the Nate Robinson, Jake Paul fight that all made sense right got the young artists out there whatever whatever the reason Snoop was better than Wayne because Wayne would have ended up being the headliner because I think Snoop performed last minute because Wayne didn't the reason Snoop was better is because Roy Jones is of the 90s Mike Tyson is of the late 80s 90s and as Snoop said during his commentary he came up and that Roy Jones Mike Tyson era his music in death row was providing the soundtrack for that whole wave like we know Tupac the night Tupac got killed he was at a Mike Tyson fight but at night he got shot and then eventually died he was at a Mike Tyson fight so Snoop's music was the perfect soundtrack leading into that Mike Tyson Roy Jones situation and that's just classic catalog like you know Snoop Dog got nuclear weapons bro like that's just a once again man Snoop is a one-on-one like you can't duplicate Snoop Dog if you tried and trust me many people have tried and they have failed he's a one-on-one just like Dave Chappelle is a one-on-one some people are just one-on-ones and all of us and not even just some people every single person on this planet is a one-on-one you just got to be confident enough in yourself to lean into yourself that's it simple as that we get so caught up in seeing other motherfuckers and what they're doing and we see what's working for them and we try to duplicate that and that's how you lose once again don't be a second-rate version of somebody else when you can be a first-rate version of your 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