Boom. What's up, everyone? Welcome to simulation. I'm your host on sake and very excited to be talking about the value of art We have a delia too much. You have a joining us on the show. Hello. Hello. Thank you so much for coming on a delia Of course my pleasure very excited for this For those actually that don't know a delia for what was it about two years ago? You made the really cool logo that you can actually see on the coasters that the coasters design The coaster design a delia made the coaster design That you guys have been seeing on the show for the longest time And her art is just amazing. I'm super happy. This is finally happening A delia's background also for those who don't know is a designer artist and dreamer who captures life's most beautiful moments She's also an organizer of be art an art community in san francisco And you can find the links in the bio below to seenandfelt.com as well as a delia's instagram Adelia, let's start things off by Talking about how you got interested in art in the first place. Who were you as a kid? Um, sure. Let's start there. So, um, I've been making art my whole life Period, I think I started at four four years old and my grandma. She was just so supportive She always said that I'm like the most talented like person ever and As a kid, you just like grow up in this you're like, oh, okay I guess I can do something with art and that support that It went the really long way To get me where I am today and I'm very so I'm so grateful for my grandma's support in that I grew up in russia by the way In muskow. Um, it's a totally different culture. It's a different country Um, it's a different mentality too And I am one of those people Who felt like I was born in the wrong place Like, you know, sometimes you're born in the wrong body. You're born in the wrong family I was born in the right body with the right family, but in the wrong place Um, and I just I always was obsessed with America like I was just obsessed with it the american dream was Pretty much everything to me. I used to talk to myself in english, which is weird. Like it's weird I'll be standing on my balcony talking to myself in english um I learned english since I was six because I wanted to move here and The reason for it is really because I was so attracted to this one american company that is still Like a north star for me. Yes Yes that one company That I love more than any other company in the world And that company is disney. Yeah yeah, um disney I really The first time I visited disneyland was actually in paris in disneyland paris and it blew my mind it just You know, I was growing up making art and then I entered the place where I was surrounded by all this art made by these amazing people And it was functional and it was engaging and it was like a whole world like it was a new world It offered me hope it offered me Uh, just like it offered me a new perspective on what you can do with art And how you can change the world and you can change somebody else's day or you can change the course of Of um, the world's culture really, you know, which is what disney eventually did You you can barely find a kid who grows up without disney influence and america as we know it today is partially you know so it's It's so like disney culture has penetrated american culture so much.  That's so funny Yeah, you trained your you know, you trained yourself to like Follow a passion at a young age.  I think is that the amount that Like wall disney and all the other designers and artists that have been a part of that That organization have made a lot of different stories and they've made a lot of different designs of characters exactly Yeah, storytelling is such a crucial aspect to this because we perceive we learn in stories, you know And telling the right stories is really really hard. I mean like think about it Pixar and disney and dream works and universal those companies hired geniuses to tell stories Something that anybody can do but only few people can do it really the right way And it's it's really difficult to tell stories that would appeal to different cultures too, you know, that would be universal that would Like an old person can understand it and a young person can understand it. It's really hard to tell those stories and somehow disney does it um, it just It fascinates me and it's such a um, it's such an inspiration for me You know, like i'm trying to achieve that point and uh, it's one thing to tell stories in a in a media that Is inherently storytelling based like video like right now we're telling story But how do you tell a story in a static form? How do you tell a story through architecture of a place or interior design of a place that is static? There is no video of it. Um, how do you tell a story through an object or a painting? um, or graphic design of a marketing material like how do you tell those stories? It's really hard and it's an art of itself and that's what I'm learning every day literally Yeah, yeah same same year when we're sitting down with you know, like 500 of these different super smart people across different fields We're taking what they're telling as their stories and we're trying to make this into one big story Yes And this is a really fun to to do and it's also really hard and like you said There's geniuses that have been hired into the the best, um companies Universal Pixar Dreamworks Disney to be able to do things like tell stories that can be applicable to old people young people Rich people poor people people from different religions different, um Places around the world all this type of stuff and it is applicable it's inspirational too and that's the thing Actually in many ways it kind of reminds me of like a lot of like the religious or myths the mythological storytelling Yeah, absolutely. Yeah all of those I mean like think about it line king is like the shakespearian story, right? Hamlet I think um Yeah Those stories they have they're like fundamental components But then the way you adapt it to modern age and make people care again Is what really is tricky like how do you make that story relevant today? and um Yeah, and there are there are so many nuances that go into creating and compelling story, um Because there are like all the talents have to align for the for one common goal And how do you describe that goal exactly?  Like big companies they have Hundreds of thousands people working for them. How do they align all of those talents toward the right the same goal? Mind blowing they do it somehow. That's why that's that's why this they succeed really they know how to do it Yeah, yeah, so aligning towards the same goal and then also you're giving the differences between things like Storytelling through a medium like video which seems to be in this case a lot easier than if you were to just make a static image Or like the interior design of a place or the architecture of a building and try and have that tell a story But we see buildings that have taken, you know generations to build buildings that have happened or we've seen um Also like the interior design of a building that can like tell a whole story about natural light and about Maybe as you walk through you can see different aspects of it So let's let's talk about you know, what were you doing then when you were younger that then when you went to disney world was this Aha for you that you were like, okay. I know what i'm dedicating my life to yeah um It is it is very It's very hard to express it in words and I kind of wish I could just Invite you to that experience, which is exactly what i'm doing for my art because it's so hard to explain in words But it was this Deep sense of belonging You know when I went to So my first ever place um That I went to when I came to the united states for the first time It was just a tourist trip with my dad We went to wall disney world because it was my dream for so long And once I entered magic kingdom. I think it was the first one. I just felt like I belonged there and You know as I told you, um, I felt like I was born in the wrong country where I did not belong unfortunately um And how come here I am in a foreign country with a foreign culture Foreign language that I semi speak to myself But how come I feel so welcome here? And it's such a warm environment and I feel most myself as I have never felt before like that feeling just stroke me and it it just like It um it penetrated my soul so deeply that I couldn't shake it off like that was pretty much all I could think about ever since um And that's why I really wanted to work for disney because I was like how the hell do you design that how the hell do you Make people feel that I would sell my soul to devil to work for this place and and it was very important to note that disney is a very consumer like they rely on consumerism and I It's not like I'm anti-consumerist, but I'm not a consumer I don't see myself a consumer when I go to disney parks. I don't buy Dollwebs and bunch of mickey ears and all of that. I don't do any of that I don't have a single bought thing from a disney world Seriously, I'm not a consumer. I'm a creator I'm a co-creator and I want to be a co-creator of similar experiences that disney introduces into people's lives You know, yeah Baby Yeah, I I Saw that that was um a great example of how you create experiences That mean something to people and I wanted to do the same and since that trip I was 15 at that time That was my goal like I want to work for disney. I will do whatever it takes to work for disney I want to work for disney. I want to learn how they do what they do um, I want to make an impact and I came back to russia. I brainwashed my family with wanting to work for disney um And you know one day, um My dad, I guess he was doing great in business or something. So he had some spare cash Um, and he was like, hey, do you want to like study in the united states? He asked me that and I was like, yes It was you know, like it was everything I ever wanted because Studying in the united states would get me closer to working for disney. So, um, I applied to 12 schools. I think I got into all of them except one I chose san francisco because it's in california and I got some scholarship um and Then I I went to An art school here in san francisco Wow, just the way that you expressed the the story of when you land in in disney world, um that There's a feeling that you get that is like so It's expansive. It's beautiful. It's it's it's like so many people put in so much hard work in order for you to Feel something. Exactly. Exactly. I'm so glad you mentioned it because there is so much hard work that goes into it And you know it, you know, you might not know anything about architecture interior design or Imagingeering, um, you might know none of that But you know that somebody cared so much that somebody dedicated their lives Working for this to bring you that, you know, there is something so noble and so Like it just creates a community it creates a community over this thing It's creators and consumers and they they are a community which is the most beautiful thing about disney to me They have a lot of people working for the company, but a lot of people receiving The gifts of that work Which is like that exchange is just so beautiful Yeah, and then now it's big inspiration for you and now you're teaching so many other people that how can How can we make things that really when somebody immerses themselves in the experience of what we're Showing to them or what they're experiencing through our art Can we really move them to can we really make something for them feel something really powerful from within like Yeah, that that is such an important aspect to the things that we make and like you said you're not there You know consumerism buying the different things you're there because you gain so much inspiration And then you're out co-creating The future. Yeah, and I think that's another huge component that we definitely preach on the show as well. So i'm glad that's What you brought up let's um now let's yeah, so let's talk about then as you end up I'm doing the actual internship at disney world And then uh, also, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Let's preface a little bit. Um So I went to school for five years and on my final year um I was applying to disney internships like crazy like crazy. I applied So many times I can't even count. I think I applied 27 times Like it was it was the most stressful period of my life because that's literally like I came to this country to do this And now I get like rejected left and right because I can't get an internship Like it was very humiliating almost, you know, it's like i'm Like I know i'm worth it. Like I know i'm the right person. Please Please give me a chance and I think I applied 27 times Which is a lot a lot of rejections and one of them worked out You know one internship worked out. That's resilience right there. Yeah Determination you gotta Yeah, um So then I was so happy to accept that internship and that internship happened to just absolutely change my life Just absolutely it was the best thing ever. Um, honestly the pay was Almost non-existent. I mean the pay was very low, which is something people don't realize about disney internships. Um But the thing about it that was so life-changing is that I got to See the inside of how the company works And what motivates them and I happened to be on the team that Is literally motivating other employees To do good work and to create to make magic for somebody else Like I happened to be at the core of what I wanted to be like I just manifested it into my life Like it was it was yeah, it was beautiful. Um, it was a seven month long internship And I cherished every single moment of it so much By the way, it was in Orlando. It wasn't in california.  Oh, and what is finite? Oh, it's finite. Yeah. Yeah It's gonna it's gonna end. It's gonna end. Yeah, okay because I'm not gonna stay in the company, you know Like I realized that oh But then but you took away so much though to go and get inspired by yeah, exactly exactly So it's technically is endless then because you do learn so much and then you go and do it And I promise to myself that you know Once I work for disney, I will never stop working For the same values as what disney stands for I will never stop doing that I will I will always work for the same values. So Basically in the middle of my internship, I was like, okay, I'm not gonna stay So I gotta make the best out of it Like I gotta just like absorb all the vitamins from this internship and to energize me for the rest of my life Like I gotta do it. I work for this way too hard. I gotta do this and I was looking for a way to To grab on to that momentum, you know that momentum. It was spinning. It was evolving. I was so on top of my wave How do I encapsulate that How how I'm a designer. I went to school for graphic design I know how to think as a designer and I decided You know what? I'm gonna encapsulate that feeling in an art form So that art so that that feeling lives on and on and on after I move on and the I think the main piece can we jump on to the the drawing the first one So this is where you started actually piecing together the initial sketches and art pieces that you were trying to kind of like You were sponging in dizzy. You were like, how do I? Like you're basically like how do I keep this as yeah previous one How do you do kind of want to like keep it as like inspirational material for you? Yeah, put the practice in yourself. Yes. Yes So I started doing those plein air drawings in the park I would go to magic kingdom and I would sit right there and I would like sketch out This french corner for example And it would take me about an hour and a half, but what it provided me with I Trained my eye to see every single detail because when you draw something you need to see it first, right? And oftentimes we don't see things we just glance at them You're like you glance at this palm tree and you're like it's a palm tree. I don't I don't need to look into it But with this work You have to look into every single detail. So for me painting this house, for example, I learned so much about architecture Just just architecture like you know exterior finish and color scheming and proportions. I learned so much So that's how I absorb that Wow That's a good way to learn about the nuance in Yeah, in the details like you've got to see and I think painting is so beautiful because you have to see In order to represent it properly You can't just assume that it is that way No, you have to see in a in this slightly like unbiased way So then another milestone project for me was making A flower lamp. I love these Thank you That was my first baby and I came up with this idea at the meeting And it was also like my endeavor of how do I encapsulate this amazing feeling of being on top of my Wave and being so inspired and I had this old Ikea lamp that I absolutely hated because the life was so harsh And I was doing felting at that time too. So I was like, oh my god I can make petals like petals for the flower and then I can encapsulate the top of the lamp So that it just the felt disperses the light so nicely and I came up with the idea at the meeting at work at about 2 p.m Then I couldn't wait to go back to my home Then I went back to my home. I spent 12 hours working on this baby I felted the whole thing by the way for those who are not familiar with the process this beautiful Pink color comes from avocado pits Like you just boil them and then you put wool felt into it, right? You put wool into it and then you boil it for another 30 minutes and then it's pink like this What? It's magic. It's magic. Yeah, seriously. So, um, how do you learn stuff like that? That's so trial and error Exactly. Let's boil avocados and see if putting wool in it will make this color. Yeah, I knew that from school It's interesting. Who's the first person I discovered that's what I did. I know People are so wild. Yeah So I created this lamp and it just it just stroked Did I did I see right stroke the cord? Yeah. Yeah stroke the cord. Yeah. I was like this is this is it this in this Accurately translates how I feel at this stage of my life. I'm blooming right now working for the company that I love I'm blooming. Um, and I'm creating myself, you know, like it's it's not a real flower Like I created it. So I realized that I can create my own future I can create my own path. It doesn't have to depend on anything else. I can create my own world You know, I don't have to grab on to being attached to wall disney world Or or disney company. I can make my own world. I love that This was kind of like your inspirational kick to go and take what you learned and then go and create your own Exactly. I love that. Yes, and wall disney just as a you know as a character as a person he is Nobody is as inspirational to me as wall disney because he made He dreamt he dreamt a lot and he made it happen So it's one thing to be a dreamer, you know, it's like, oh, I could like wouldn't it be nice to do this and that But like you have to work hard to make it happen um as well and I work really hard on Finishing those lamps. I know it's not perfect. It's far from being perfect And I want it to be perfect, you know, like this the stem is flimsy and Just generally I treat it as a prototype So I went on to create all of those other prototypes to advance my technique, you know Like yes, it it consolidates that feeling, but I also wanted to feel nice I also wanted to maybe mean something to other people, you know, potentially maybe Um, people would want to buy one of those lamps I wouldn't sell any of my lamps as they are right now because they're not ready their prototypes and Um, can we go to next picture things? Thanks, Raleigh Yeah Funny funny thing about this one. So that was the first lamp When I made it I was like I can't take pictures a bit at home because that wouldn't be the right setting So I went to an anthropology store And just placed it there and took pictures at anthropology store They were very amiable and very supportive of it They were that's great. Yes, they were like, oh, that's beautiful. Did you make that? Um, and I honestly think that one of those lamps It would be lovely to sell them at anthropology at some point. So then I went on and there's so many places that would Yeah, I really enjoyed this and especially in the homes and the offices. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah Yeah, it's it also is so many people are looking for something that is That can bring them to nature And I think when we're spending 90 of our time indoors seeing things like this can really make us You know smile and ties for sure. For sure. Yes, and it's also very organic shape Like there's nothing more than about it other than the base Yeah Also, another interesting thing to potentially do would be to see if there could be like a little like scent that's He made it from yes Actually, I used to like spray perfume on it so that it smells like peony or something Um, so then I went on to create more lamps because you know, I got the momentum going I want to make more of them and this one was my thesis project so to speak I think people think of thesis projects as like the final thing that you do in school, but I think I think we should always work on thesis projects That's right. We we have at any single at any point in life. We have something to say You know, if you're a creative person, you you always have something to say you want to like spit it out into the world But you have to do it in a deliberate way, which is why thesis project is so useful So I made this project. I made this for about three months. I was just working on this very very, you know, hands on And I tried to perfect my technique. I tried to Refine my color scheme. I tried to make it a marketable product and most importantly I really tried to set a mouse To set the next Stepping stone for me, you know, I made this but I want to move on You know, that's in the that's in a certain way In some way it's in the past. Like I want to move on. What's the next step going to be? So then I developed this uh, thesis project with five lamps and can we click a little bit more? And this one is a cherry Yeah, the cherry rose. Yeah I named them all after lyrics of lana del rey songs because I love lana del rey Um, this is The monitor. Okay. You were also you were also dealing with things like making sure that they're, you know, safe But like electrically and stuff like that. Yes, correct. These are very important things to be thinking about And I think I'm glad that you were able to figure out that it is Yeah, yeah, um, it is very important Especially if I want to sell them I mean I use it I use it every day and I know that it doesn't get hot at all because it's led light And felt is actually it requires huge temperature to even set it on fire. Yeah So I know that it's not going to catch fire. I have huge confidence in that But I wanted to make sure so I contacted a lot of people who are like electrical engineers and stuff like that and They all proved that, you know, it's not going to catch on fire. So we're good. Yeah Yeah And that's this project is also how I developed this Affection and love for flowers I mean when you come when you see it like at the other side of your room Just standing there.   I'd be like, wait, why why? There's another good quote. I was telling you earlier. It's at the earth laxin flowers I love that quote. I love that quote It's such a Flowers and there's so many flowers. They make us so happy. They smell so good They're also really important for the ecosystems of Bees and their pollination. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah insects to to reside on and within and Yeah rose gardens are amazing places for humans to go Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, this was my wine rose lamp I also did did make a point to make To post edit the pictures so that it looks better than the actual prototypes I because you know as a designer I want to Keep the momentum going which means I have to inspire myself.  I can't I can't really make it happen You can't approach a painting with that mentality. You need to think of it This is masterpiece to be discovered. Yeah, how do I make it happen?  I dream out loud every time I bike I I speak to myself Because I dream that's how I dream Every time I'm at home by myself. I talk to myself and I express What I want to get out of life. That's how I dream. I dream on paper. I dream and felt I just basically dream things up like that's that's the um That's the main like aspect of my art. I think is I just dream out loud And that's what the dream my dreams look like my rose garden dreams And then that gives you uh That becomes part of the north star part of yeah, and then you set your steps to get to those locations Yeah, and I think that's exactly how old Disney did it. I mean, how else would you do that? If what what he did like his cartoons. He did it in the great depression You can't be a realist during the great depression everything sucks There is no money. There are poor children on the streets You know like you can't be a realist so you have to be a dreamer and that's how you lead people beautiful places Because if you can he said it If you can dream it you can make it Go something like that and it really is a mentality that is still Exists in the company and it still inspires me so greatly if I can think about it. Yeah, I can make it happen Yeah, yes, you know, yeah, that's so so beautiful I'm all I'm just I'm also so happy to now, you know better be able to take in the different pieces of you Um that I think you know made you into who you are today And I think can help so many other um kids around the world that care a lot about art to surround themselves With we'll get to these communities of art as well in a little bit But the idea of having people around you your parents or people in your community other kids that you can make art With right that you can find Really inspirational people like well just need these these these experiences that really move you to To pursue things that that you care about making and actually going and physically doing it Like you dream it and then like physically go and make it And you have to do things like sketch to find the nuances and things and you know become really good at that And that's I like that a lot those those components totally make a lot of sense about you know who you are Yeah, yeah totally and community matters a lot um Should we talk about it right now let's do let's do quick on the way so this is so just quick on the way okay, so the The the scene and felt Is the is the body of work of of your art and then the flower lamps are one component of that Yes, correct and these are prototypes, but soon you're looking to potentially help Get them in for for people to who want to bring them into their homes or into their offices and things like that Potentially, but it's really not the cornerstone of what I do It really is just like a cherry on top like oh, it would be nice if sometimes I could make money of it But honestly, I don't that's not what I live for I live for to capture life's most beautiful moments and Capture it so that it creates more beautiful moments, you know so that it just like builds on itself and True like felting is just one of the things that I expressed that I also do a lot of Paintings. Let's do it. Um, sure. Okay, so I painted this oil painting of This oil painting of rose from titanic. Yeah, because it is my favorite absolute favorite movie and I Couldn't tell you how many times I've watched it. It's probably thousands at this point No way. Yes. I watched titanic way too much Just on look like it would end like for our movie would end and I would just like start it over Literally I yeah, that's that's how I just watch it and I would always watch it in the background when I was like making art as a child But what I really love about the world's character is this like she knew what she wanted and Jack helped her Uncover what what she actually wanted, you know by the end of the movie. She doesn't need any money.   There's gonna be a lot of challenges that that are like families It might be a challenge friends might be a challenge money might be a challenge. Yes, but these are tests of faith. Yes Yes, exactly and um when they those challenges come you just have to stay aligned Um, you just have to this is hard work This is hard work. How do you put how you put this together? But it was also, you know, like there is a great deal of technique that goes into creating like a realistic painting like this Like it goes in layers like the first layer, for example, is green like her face is green. It looks morbid And I use the very old renaissance technique to paint this But this is another line of those things that I make to to just like To refine or define myself Define who I am what influences me just to like ruminate on all of those thoughts. It's very very important And I think sometimes it is seen as a selfish thing, which is a wrong way to see it Everything you do is a selfish thing But also it's not a selfish thing. You just you have to know who you are before you have anybody else I think we're all good with that Like you just you just can't go on pretending Like you're somebody else or conforming to something That you're not So yeah, she's she's just a role model for me I love how rose is a role model for you and I love the story that you're sharing with us about her And don't you love her name too rose? I know right synergistic is the universe sometimes right rose exactly exactly.  Yes, exactly So this is I mean, I just want to say like the amount of detail here It's just so cool. Like a little the little like reflection in the eye the little like And just like how much how hard it is to make every hair every eyelash every eyebrow Every nuance and color of skin And honestly like it's so real like Honestly looking at this. I'm like I could do so much better if I want to do it again That's badass. That's what's up. That's the master. I love that. Yes Yeah, so that's so that's oil. That is oil. Yes, and I really don't like I really don't like Just like Cornering myself into one technique like I'm an artist like I I want to express something it all it all starts with what do I want to say to the world about My path or just like my Dorney Or who I am what do I want to say? Not to anybody in particular just Just to myself, you know sitting in the room. Who am I? Yes, that's where it all starts And then the technique comes in and then I can use A variety of mediums. It can be graphic design. It can be a digital like movie It can be a watercolor painting. I really don't like cornering myself Which is why it's so hard to Define myself as like I only do watercolor. No, I don't like I don't only do felt lamps Although it is easier for people to grasp. Oh, it's like, oh, it's Adelia. She does felt lamps But Adelia also does so many other things. Adelia is just an artist and I just That's that's who I am. I am an artist And when you get really good at a bunch of different art techniques They stack into and on top of each other and it helps you see Art in completely new ways that if you were just super deep in just one technique you would so Exactly exactly. It's like the multidisciplinary lens like you pull different disciplines together in this case different art techniques together They help a lot. Yeah, exactly. So then okay. So the another component is oil Oil paintings and then you also have watercolor paintings. Sorry. Let's let's show because these are And you do these so often like Your your instagram page is so cool. Everyone needs to go and follow Adelia's instagram page There's so many examples Are we yeah, we are we're showing Some of that right now and it's just so cool that there's so many Like examples of you just being able to see something and then just put it into watercolor And like they're they're gorgeous. Like of course, there's tons of flowers here. There's tons of landscapes This one of the sea cliff area is so beautiful too. Like I love this one a lot like You just did such a good job and it's just I love it. I love it. And I really noticed that a watercolor 50 percent of Painting success is what? The mentality that you go into it, you know, I tried it a couple of times I was like, oh, I'm going to create beautiful paintings for instagram Nah, it doesn't work that way. I wouldn't even post that painting. That's how bad it usually turns out The the important thing for me is to go into it and be like I want like I'm going through something in life Something hard and I need closer alignment, you know, I noticed that when I had certain crisis at work, for example, like I hated my work I cried every single day for like hours at work, you know, I hated my work um, I would come home and I would I would go Into the park for example, and I would find flowers and I would paint those flowers It would momentarily allow me to something that I ought to do, you know, I don't need to think about all this Stuff that just you know all those challenges all those things that you have no control over Really, um, I don't need to think about them. I just need to think about where do I need to go What does it take to get there? And flowers just happen to be one of those things that they point me the right way every time So I paint a lot of flowers, uh, which camera should I be sure? Yeah, this one's good. This is the area um, so I I paint a lot of flowers. It usually takes about 30 minutes maybe It's so beautiful passing to me afterwards. Okay, so I can adore them too. Um, wow and there's All my art is observational. Um, it's not abstract. I I don't do abstract Um, I do observational because it is very important for me to ground myself You know, like I as I mentioned before I need to see Things I need to see them clearly and I need to be honest with what I see You can't be dishonest in watercolor. Again, like you can't be dishonest. You have to be So honest with Like what you see because um, that's how you will get that realism, you know, the life does not Work by your your rules, you know, you can't impose them on anything. These are so beautiful Thank you. So what does flot when you do um have these moments that you're capturing like earth's beauty in a sense Um, then what what are you what are you feeling when you're doing this? Um, I feel Again, that's a sense of belonging. You know, just like when I went to disney world for the first time I felt like oh my god, this is where I'm supposed to be and every time when I have anxiety at Like anywhere anxiety about oh, I'm not I'm not quite doing what I'm supposed to be doing Like that feels wrong and we're like, um, that social dynamic was um a bit I don't know. Like I didn't feel myself doing that and painting flowers just Grounds me and it's not like I'm escaping that I'm actually thinking Every time I paint anything Every time I'm painting anything Um, I'm thinking deeply about Those things that are going on with my life and in a sense.  I just like keep keep flowing So when I do paint those toxic thoughts, they just They they lose their Toxic component like they just become one of those challenges in life that they just go through But since I'm like, I know that I'm on the right right path just by doing it. So like I'm secure that I'm doing I'm going through things that I ought to be doing and life Life just goes on like life is life. I can't You know, I can't make it Prettier or better. I can just change my perception about it really and that's how I change my Perception or attitude about it I I hope that we can structure a social fabric in the future where It's easy for people to do easier for for kids, especially to do what they love And not necessarily even have to go somewhere else where they don't find themselves in flow Just so they can have a couple hours of flow after I think that's ridiculous. Oh, yeah It used to not be here so much in the past When we were in our more formative years of our origins of our species and now it's um It's almost the toxicity of the of the system that we've developed that is pushing us in the direction So just you're a role model for people to be able to pursue this in the time that they have to To align themselves with the north star. Yeah, can we see some of the other? Sure. These are so beautiful. Thank you Um, so these ones. Okay um, I do a lot of like interior sketching and these ones I did at this Victorian hotel in Vancouver Um called amethyst in you should definitely check it out.  Everything. Yes. Wow. These are so good And you know like I saw them. Um, I It's a Victorian hotel and Victorian era is known to be very highly ornamental, right? So it's pretty difficult to draw ornamental stuff and that's why it was so You know challenging but like very pleasantly challenging for me to draw all of this because there's so much going on But what do you concentrate on and how do you say how do you tell the truth? Without overwhelming With information, you know, like I wanted to capture of how it felt in that hotel and honestly that That's my boyfriend Working. Well, he was working. I was I was running around the hotel in paintings. Yeah. Um I've never done as many paintings as that one day. I think I did seven paintings in one day It was it was the best day of my life one day. Yeah Yeah, best day of my life. Seriously. It's the best day of my life. Wow. And you know Um, it means so Much to me because again, I captured it on paper. It's mine now But also while capturing all of that, I educated myself on Victorian um on Victorian aesthetics On how it felt to be in a place like that And honestly after after visiting that hotel, I was like I'm gonna have a hotel I'm gonna have a hotel. I'm gonna make it happen. Whatever whatever takes me. I'm gonna make it happen I'm gonna have a hotel and then you get to do all the interior design And you get to do all the but the first Exactly exactly and that's why I do so much art because like I can already see Different rooms like there's gonna be a titanic room.  That's where that's the room that you would go to You know And that that painting will be of course, it's gonna be right on. Yeah, right there. Um Yeah, I just you know right now that hotel is basically consuming all my Um all my headspace. That's so cool. You just yeah, you need just a tiny Even just one or two three rooms just the small thing to start maybe and then to see if you could yeah build it out You could even probably go on to platforms like Airbnb and just inquire like with homeowners and be like, hey, I know you like rent out these rooms Like can I be the like interior designer? Those could be nice little practices also for sure or there is sonder you know sonder sonder. Yeah, it's um They also kind of they have a hotel It's similar to airbnb, but they have hotels and they run out. Yeah, yeah, like perfect like It's it's my dream company at the time. That's your next. Yeah, like stepping stone. Yeah, that's so cool So okay, so we got yeah, we did the the flower lamps. We got the watercolor the oil paintings Let's talk about the art communities. Yes. Okay. So be art. Yes. Be art. This is san francisco's Art community go to art community.  It was super fun Um, and it was a lot of fun and it's it's four of you total, right? It is four of us who organizes that but we So we organize events every single Tuesday And we invite a lot of people and on average we have nowadays we have about 12 People on average and we get together every Tuesday and we draw something We co-create, you know, we practice drawing because again, like dreaming is fun But you have to have the right level of skills. So how do you work on those skills? You know, you've got to keep yourself motivated and What we do with this community is we We We try to inspire each other really like not everybody does felt lamps like me But they do like some crazy abstract Paintings and they're just so into it. And that's how they keep me motivated, you know And it's really it's really an amazing community. I'm so glad that I found it and that I have Can be a part of it It just really means a lot to have people Who do similar things? Yep. And specifically would you figure drawing a lot figure drawing? Yes. Yes. Um, and also just I also want to um I don't sorry. Can I talk about this one? Please please. Um for pride. We we invited the transgender model And it was it was great. Like it it was the best way to celebrate pride for us for artists, you know, like It was it's just a blast.  You're doing a bunch of different Willic workshops, but also people just getting together to do their art and that in itself So I want to just do a quick bit on the importance of art community because it's as though That we're we're so much moving into like tech everything that it's it's hard to embed Like art into our communities now. It's like no one is Paying me to be an art organizer. No one is paying me, you know, because there's such weird dynamics around the markets and how they Potentially don't reward certain things that actually a lot of people are really interested in so we yeah So can you like the importance of our community like putting people together that are all really inspired by art and that can all Help each other motivate each other story tell through art to get other people inspired to be right. Yeah I I hear a lot that it's it's hard to be an artist in the city and It is hard. I mean, yes Art is just by default is not as marketable as like software engineering, you know Like it's not there is little demand for it. Like people don't crave it. It's it's a great add-on to somebody's life, but there is low demand for it and I personally think it's fine Art has its own purpose art doesn't have to be marketable You can make art whatever you want to make it like for me Again, it's it's a way for me to live the life that I want to live To stay in a momentum if I have money, but I don't have the momentum I don't know. Do I need life at all? Like, I don't know And what we try to do at the art we actually do have a lot of people who do work at tech And I myself work at tech as well for my daytime job We don't we don't want to encourage people to be bitter about it. Don't be bitter Bitterness will not get you anywhere far be inspired be art make what you want to make out of this life Find a way and make it art make it artistry to find a way around those sharp corners, you know, because Um, you know like flowers they don't bloom. I mean they they can Get the right nutrients in the most poorest soil They are resilient. So, yes, there are many opportunities for artists There are actually a lot of opportunities, but uh, it's harder to get opportunities for artists in San Francisco right now, but That's your poor soil and it's up to you to get the best out of it. Get the right nutrients. Um Just don't be bitter. Just just don't blame don't point fingers at techies techies like whatever that means Because um, they just bring their value to the world and you have your value to bring to the world. So concentrate on that Yeah, and in just in general also making it easier. I think for um, Just changing our our norms around art and making it a little bit more Evidently something that people care more about and have an eye more for Let's um, let's mention Uh On the future of art, where do these things Not only take you but where do you see art going with the technology industry and all this type of stuff? I think people are so creative. They're so creative. Um, I think it's just a tool, you know, um Like felting it's it's it felting is a tool. It's a technique So you can find that technique is in a digital space if you wish to People are crazy creative. I think um, it's not gonna go anywhere.  I'm actually very interested in that too. You are yeah Wouldn't it be nice to like design a world where like flowers and everything but yeah And then you can walk through and get inspired by it, right? So you can basically take what maybe like disney world is doing and you can then Like replicate at times like millions of examples of really beautiful creative environments that people could go in through and get inspired by That type of thing. Yeah, you know democratize being able to make those environments. Yeah for people. Yes um, it's um I don't I don't really I don't think I have Enough knowledge of like the state of art in the world. Um, because again, I'm very you know Pointed at what I want to get out of it. Um That's a very global question. Yeah I can't answer it. Adelia is a very like I've identified a flower that I will start painting in watercolor right now That's Adelia. Yeah Yes, and I'm like trying to comprehend macro level Yeah, things too. So this is these which is why we we need all sorts of people. We do need all sorts of people Um, and I also want to show people because I promise that we would do this I want to show people what the what the lamps look like without our lights. Yep without our stage lights and Yeah, so this is what they look like they look wonderful if you have um, so it's a very nice light when you go to sleep and um You know like you don't want a harsh transition transition from full life to to lights to absolutely No, like like you don't want that because then you can hit your pinky and then it's gonna hurt, you know So this is just the brightest light for Going to sleep or any sexy times for me Like it's just it's just perfect. I got a plug. Yeah. Sexy time got a reading I can't really have sexy times without those without those lamps anymore Yeah Yeah, they're just like a staple. They contribute to the enjoyment romance. Yeah romance. They're very romantic by different Just by definition. It's like a charm enchanted rose kind of thing. Like it's romantic. Yep. Yep. Yeah So you have reading night light and romance all the different. Yeah, well, you can't really read with those I mean it depends depends if you angle it maybe towards your book. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, if you do like that Yeah, it's easy to bend. Yeah, you angle. Yeah angle well Look they're kissing. They're kissing Okay, all right, and let's let's all um, let's wrap on our last Couple questions. All right. So Adelia speaking of all this uh, macro level stuff. Do you think we're in a simulation? I don't think so Can you tell us why? Oh my god I hope you wouldn't ask Um Why are we not in the simulation? Why would we be in the simulation? I mean, um, I I take life for what it is and I don't know any other version of it I'm just trying to make the best out of it. So I if if it is a simulation, I would also be fine with that. I think I'm just Trying to live my best life in this simulation or non-simulation in this thing called life Yes, yes, and then what do you think's the most beautiful thing in the world?  Yeah, it's like it's very lush And oh my god peonies are so beautiful. They're just the most beautiful thing in the world. How do you spell it? P e o n y flower Yes This one. Yeah, look at that Okay Yes, you think the yeah, you so you these are the most beautiful thing. Yeah, actually this flower is I called it peony Interesting. Yeah And and you think why is this the most beautiful thing in the world? Uh for me, I mean I can't say for everybody for me. It just means It's a very victorian flower It's a very ornate flower. So Right now I'm on the victorian chapter of my life. I love victorian aesthetics and I want to Turn my life toward that that way So for me, it just like it lays a path toward something where I want to go Which is why it's beautiful because my path is full of beautiful things And I just chase those things and I just make them happen one at a time Adelea, what a great episode on the value of art. This has been yeah, it's been so much fun. Thank you so much for inviting Thank you Thank you everyone for tuning in. We greatly appreciate it We would love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode. Let us know what you're thinking Also, do check out the links in the bio below again, that's seenandfell.com as well as Adelea's instagram We would love for you to have more conversations with your family your friends co-workers people online on social media about the importance of the value of art And what art means to you like how do you define it and what is it on your journey that you are taking like Why do you make art? 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