Dude, that is age-restricted. Welcome to episode number 12 of the Marty and Michael fully actual podcast. Sorry I had to hear that, guys. We were just having a heated discussion about something that happened on the weekend. I don't want to talk about it anymore, but Matt, you're in the wrong, OK? That's what that's. I'm just going to leave it at that. How is everyone? I'm a bit tired, but hey, look, I'm here. I had some athletic greens. It's pepping me up a bit. I'm ready to go. We're doing some big weeks at the moment.  It's crazy.   And since we're filming pranks again, we're all on edge. See? See how Matt flinched and shit? Do you think that was water? Yeah, I thought something was coming on.  We have James here with us today. Jimbo Johnson, James. Fuck, I want a king hit him at the moment. Hey, like that week. Oh, I can't look at you for longer than like three seconds. Oh, my God, bouncy. Oh, the cum was a whole new world. The mince was moving. So what's been going on? Well, I had some good news today on the health front. I went to the last cardiologist appointment and died. Dude, pump it, pump it. So Mass just opened the cum bottle. It's a mint bottle.  Oh, I'm so sorry. It's on my hand. I'm just going to wait for that to pass before we continue. I was going to use this to cover my mouth, but I don't think I will grab a clean one. Why has it got dirt all over? Anyway, I doubt that's dirt. Anyway, let's let's let's get into it. Hey, let's leave that mince bottle. It's actually it's risen the smell. So I haven't had any yet. Hot air rises. Yeah. So cardiologists, all good news.  If it's still up, then I've got to go on the blood pressure medication. So that is the end of the heart saga for a while. It got scary. How scary and good is that? It got scary for a bit.  That's so crazy that they tried to force you into blood pressure pills.  I'm so glad I went to get other opinions. We should name and shame it. Yeah. Dr. Harrison, his name was. I was joking, but OK.   I'm just speaking in hypotheticals, Matt Brown. Matt is a drug dealer Brown with a nappy on. You've got to say that. Oh, there's been wedding plannings going on. The boys came to try on their suits on the weekend. Yeah. The box is coming up. Mon had her Hens party last weekend, which seems quite a lot. Oh, man, she's been down. She's been struggling to get out of bed. Is it? Yeah, they come down for the flights. Yeah, so it's Wednesday now and she's still feeling a bit down about it. So three days to recover from two days of partying. Yeah. Why was it two days? Of partying. Yeah. Well, you can't have a box or a Hens. You have one day. Yeah, same as what we're doing.  Is it usually two days? It never used to be. It's more of a modern thing, but I'm fine with it. I won't mind to be a week. Actually, three months. We should start now. A glass pipe in one room can't just Michael on his own for three months.  I will come for the first few days. Dude, if you give me a golf course in Fortnite, I'm there. I'm just smelling it now.  But all in all, if we really look back at the last two months, how good is it now that Marty's heart is fixed? Oh, I have. I've actually got us a celebration. I got us a bag. Oh, are you looking at me?  Oh, we just sort of dismissed. Now you're all good.  Yeah. No, no. Yes. So I have to still, I have to get this down. I've got four months to get it down. I do have to go on blood pressure medication, which isn't good for someone my age. So I still want to stick to this, but this month it's going to be hard. We got Michael's birthday this weekend. I don't think we don't have to go hard. Yeah, I'm not going to, but it'll be the first. It's over a hundred days sober now. A hundred and one days right now.  A bottle of wine. One or two bottles and see what happens. We'll have a few beers. We could go to the casino. It's near the restaurant we're going to. It's near the casino. So I had to buy four now. Oh, yeah. I thought about the gift. Have you thought about that? If you guys just got me cash, because then when I do want something, then I'll just get it. That's true. Michael does like cash. Cause I'm broke at the moment. Transferring some money. Yeah.   That or like I was thinking of getting a Broncos membership. A four iron or a three iron, but like. Should we all put money in here? He was genuinely pitching a Broncos membership.  I got a text and I was like, yes. If I could go to like even the corporate box, Broncos for free, where there's free dinner, free piss. Even if Peter Sterling was there, I would say no. No, you wouldn't. Not if Peter Sterling was there. Yeah. You did that well, but he's more a commentator, but he did play. Yeah. I would. Okay. I'd probably go if he was there. He's a lovely man. He's bald. Yeah. I go there. He used to play for Paramount of Eels. Dude. Oh. Trivia is improving. Just guess. That might be matters. Michael Thind. No. NRL. Oh my God. That's not a bad topic, bro. That's a terrible idea. Yeah, Matt. We're so good too. Surely you'd win that. I mean, that was a flop. He hates it, but he knows it. No, he knows what he has. He knows what he has. He doesn't know anything about NRL. He knows what he hates. What was the name he said the other day? He combined like six different players. What was it? Like Wendall Locklear or something? It's like Jon Alamoo.  He put like 15 different Broncos players and somehow minced it into one name. Yeah. Alfalangi is. That's right.  Yeah, sorry. Now, last week, you guys may have mentioned we cut out the Who's a Better Brown and the Horoscopes. And the Horoscope says we saw in the comments that there's quite a reaction. You guys want the Horoscopes back. So we're going to do it this way. We think that maybe the Horoscopes are the reason why we're getting age restricted. So if we don't get age restricted again this week without the Horoscope, we may just have to die them down a little bit. The current podcast is not age restricted. I think, yeah, I know the one that came out that doesn't have a horoscope in it. Yeah, that hasn't been age restricted. And it's actually fine. And there's no horoscope. There's not going to be a horoscope this episode. But next week, I'll write one and we'll see if that one gets age restricted. So I don't know. You won't write one. You'll find one from Matt. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. I reckon we just get the consensual ones out from Matt's story. Yeah, but even so, I think just the way Matt speaks is just, and the things that he does is just very predatory. I don't know. I just feel like YouTube wouldn't want that on there. Tough words. You know? So we'll see. So I don't want the Horoscopes to be like a dulled down version so the podcast doesn't get age restricted. I'd rather just not have one at all. Not read one.  Because it then takes the fun out of reading them as well if they're like PG. But we'll see what happens. So stay tuned and don't worry. We'll do our best to include them. We just may have to censor them a little bit. But everything else remains.  We got Matt vs. Michael.    We got prank call. Everyone's back and ready. And we're going to do some German or gibberish because we've seen a fair few comments.   Sponsors. Michael has a business adventure. Oh yes. I want to discuss this. Now I've asked the boys but I thought what way to get you focused on something exciting. What way to get me focused on something. This could be a little passion project of yours. Yeah.  I'm not going to like this.  Me and you can start something called. Cantals. What. Exactly. Say it again. Cantals. Cantals. So you know what candles are right. Yeah. And you know what they can do. They light up. Yeah. So. Me and you I'll buy. Okay look. I'll buy the packaging. You buy the wax. Actually I'll buy the wicks. You buy the wax. And we'll sell them. Candles. Cantals. Candles. So they're candles. But without the wicks. So they do not light. You just said you were going to buy the wicks. Yeah exactly. I was trying to trick you. They don't have to buy anything. You just got business bamboozled. Smart. Good. Okay look I'll buy it. We'll split it 50-50. I'll buy half the wax. You buy half the wax. So they're candles that can't light. Beautiful candles. Why would we have candles that can't light. Because they're called cantals. They're cantals. Why would anyone buy that? Opposites are always cool.  Why do people buy candles? Why do people buy candles? For multiple reasons. So these are like cantals for multiple reasons. You know how you buy...  You buy candles to light. You buy cantals to not light. To darken. To dark. Are you in or are you not? And you use cantals during the day. And you use candles at night. Cantals are for the day. You get 10%. They still smell good. They still smell good. And they still smell good yeah. Okay. You get 10% of the company. Huge cent. I don't know. It doesn't sound like something is going to be successful. We split it 50-50 but you get 10%. Why wouldn't it be successful bruv? That didn't make sense. No we'll split the cost. Split it 50-50 and I get 10%. Split the cost 50. You get 10%. See I was like down for a second and then you just... Okay we'll go 50-50 and everything. In or you're not? You got 5 seconds. You got 5 seconds. Can or you can't? That's dumb. Let's explore why you don't think it's successful. Because people want candles that light. We'll make one.  Before candles were around what did people do? People didn't go around thinking I want a waxy thing that lights up. And you know what? I have a candle in my bathroom and this is a true story.  Never light it. Never light it. It looks great. Looks lovely. So cantals can just smell and look nice. And we can do one with just your ear waxes? Imagine that. You can have sculptures of all your victims as cantals. Alright we'll talk about later. And they can smell of the things that you did to them.  Onto the sponsors. Thank you. Sorry. Athletic Greens has been changing our lives since we first started taking it.  Don't have any time. We'll go through KFC drive-thru tonight.    So at least you don't die at 60. Am I last at 65? AthleticGreens.com slash fully actual.  It's a monthly subscription and they just send you their product. It's a powder. Once a day you feel very good.  Joe Rogan even raves about it. It's legit. We all have it. Read the comments of the people who've bought it. Our whole office takes it now.   It wakes you up. Can't tell, Michael. I've had two days. Had two? I feel much better. I was really tired. But now I'm like normal. See? I got the little fairies.  From that scream that I did. Do it again. I want to try it. I can't do that. I can't do that. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! You try it. Try it. Matt, have a go. I want Matt to have a go. Please, Matt. One. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Come on, Matt. Come on, Matt. Do it. Woo! Woo! Woo! That's all right, man. Damn it. That's what Athletic Greens gave us the energy to do that. That's what it does to your body. Matt didn't have any, so that's why he didn't. I did have some.  That's why you did it well. I didn't have someone you had someone... Anyway, AthleticGreens.com. Sush, fully actual. Get in on it. Sorry. Fuck, man. Manscaped.  Look at that. then with one sweep of Matt's manscaped lawn mower, all of the hair just falls to the floor that Matt has to clean later on. I cut my pews. Boom, look at that.  So that's the main benefit of manscaped. So if you wanna go and feel like I'm feeling right now, I'm feeling more and more powerful as we go, right?   Look at Michael right now.  Is that thing even on Michael? Oh man, I got a G-spot. Michael's found a G-spot in his nose with a manscaped product.    Yuck. You think anyone's gonna touch you? You don't wanna touch you.    Also for women. Yeah. Yeah, even in like, I'm pretty sure you can call it women's scape too. Look at this. Look, it's my legs nearly completely shaved in the space of 30 seconds. It's hot, man.   Oh yeah. I get so pissed. Oh, by the way, guys, we now, because we went to the PO box and we're pretty sure we've been sent some pubes, we now have a pube box. Oh, there's so many between your legs, gather them. Oh yeah, look at that. Look at that. So the leg hairs I've just shaved off and I'm gonna pop them in, start things off. Yeah, also guys, remember to send your pubes in PO box 256 TAGAM 4018, Queensland, Australia. This is important. Because Matt has... Yeah, not enough coming in. Are you excited about that? Look, it's begun. It's like a hair transplant. Matt has agreed to glue these to his head.  On the finale.  What? I'm gluing them to my head.  No, no, yeah. He glued them to your head. He glued them to my head. He glued them to your head. You would slap the audience in the face. They just grew really good. I really care.   Brown, that is upsetting. Look, I'll eat some.  Oh, great deal.  If you put them on your head. Shh. I'll give myself a mono, bro. Here. Oh, well, I'll put some here if you do your head. Anyway, guys, just don't let Matt put you off from sending your pubes and send them in anyway. And we'll work on that, right? It's only episode 12.  Not fully bald. Oh, my god, that looks fluffy. I've got that little fluffy poppy. Toot, toot, toot, toot, toot, toot.  Yeah, I sort of like it. Smells cool.  So we're going to do a final video with that.  Shout out to the tow truck driver, too. Oh, man. He was so cool and nice. Wasn't he a fuck? We had someone just so you guys know the tow truck driver was like the biggest weeb of all 69 people in the world. Yeah, it was hard work.  Someone that works for whoever that company was. And she's like, hope the tow truck driver was nice to you guys. Why? I don't know. It was like it's like she knew, but I paid it forward. I should have paid it backwards. And I said, yeah, he was awesome. You shouldn't have said that. You should have said he was unbearable. I know. Yeah. But I was like, I was in a good mood. I just had athletic greens.  Not like we won his. No, that's nice. Well done, Michael. Thank you. You should have gotten him. But I was doing that. I was a urban member. Yeah.  Because it's time. Oh, Chela Kalole. Ha, ha, ha, ha. But yeah, so I made that all up. All right. Very cool. There was no tow truck driver. I was so in that. Oh, that's a serious, serious lying problem you have. Really hurting our trust, really wearing it away. James is so infested. Yeah, really backfire one day. Our lack of trust in you. I genuinely congratulated you for paying it forward. I'll take that back.  It was actually, yeah, you've ripped it backwards a long way. All right, guys, we're going to move right along.  I'll tell you what, it's German or German. German, German.   And we see you guys wanted this back, brother. So if you don't like this segment, let us know, brother. Michael, that is incredibly racist. It's what you were saying. No, Michael, I was saying it correctly. It's like you're making fun of them as the tone you did brother. Oh my god, dude, please Connor maybe Jesus Christ. All right, boys. Are you ready? There will be five German sentences or gibberish sentences You must vote the loser whoever gets the least amount right Has to get gets the wooden spoon by the other two That's gonna be me. I'm a newbie All right, here we go first sentence Freisch mit pop clean. Yuck, man.  That is fucked. I reckon it's real and it's something Do we have to say what it means? It says I've got a fresh pipe and I'm gonna clean it and it's German It's definitely German. He's trying to make it not German. I know that for act I used to be German I reckon it's real as well and Know the milk truck is arriving So racist immediately racist. Sorry. Yeah, I think it's real too. And I think it means I scraped my bicycle spokes on the gutter You're all wrong.  Yeah, German-sounding. Shit pop cleaner Pop clean Next sentence Okay, I'm gonna say that that's German and it's saying My hooves are wet and cranky May I hear it again? Meine Hüfte ausrengen. I think it is German and I'm gonna say there's a boy over there Fuck I think it's German too, but I'm tempted to say no because I was you guys led me Australia last time No, I'm gonna say that it is and it's The tip my teacher is speaking You are all correct it is in fact German, but it doesn't mean what any of you said it means Dislocate my hip So you're all on one point sentence number three Wünsch nach Schmerzen beim Pferden Wünsch nach Schmerzen Not German Can't be once more mark Wünsch nach Schmerzen bei Pferden Shit, I'm gonna have to go it's not James yeah, I'm gonna say it's German and it means The woman's breasts have Deflicated James has gotten away with this one It is in fact German James is in the lead it means I wish pain to all horses Wow, I thought there was something about a woman in there Fuck I can't believe that was the way he dragged the words sounded like it was So James on to Matt and Michael on one sentence number four Oh Yeah, it's German you're trying to be witch it's a it's it's a spell in German and it's to bring back Hitler Conn and bleep that he said that Get us age-restricted every time it's exactly it's a spell to bring back Hitler. I reckon it's not German Hmm, I say it's a feeding children ice cream It's not German it doesn't mean a thing You've always got children on your mind. So not German. So James.  Oh, that's fair. Okay. Um That's not German That's not German. It is German and it means Come home mom.  No, I go thigh. I can't do arse All right guys, don't hit my kneecap. Haha.  All right, let's move right along. Hey, well done. It's a shame. Let us come right back after this hugely intoxicating Bong break go forth and suck down some smoke and Matt verse Michael will be awaiting your return Today And this segment is where Matt and Michael compete against each other for the for the sacred most important bottle of mints ever that took Matt nine months to make and They can do with it. Whatever they want. It's a winner. It's a hundred percent. It's an antique relic They can do with it. Whatever they want the winner will be announced the season finale.  This week's company in on this.   All right.  All right, you must try and woo Jammetti you can use dance. You can use talk you can use Facts, you know use your imagination be creative and see what you can come up with. All right. This is great practice I want the approach so I'm gonna like Sit sit here, and I want them to come up to me in the bar.  She's you got to work.  It's okay.  I don't know So I've got to get out of the male character Jammetti might like aggression. No, so I'm gonna start for this to be fair I'm gonna start at level five interest out of 10, you know, because I feel like all girls are probably doubted about right They started sort of a level five and then you'd impress them and then they'd start going up the scale or you'd discuss them And they start going down the scale. So I'm gonna start at a five for both of you Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you don't just go and sit next to a woman. You got to approach Matt That's a part Matt No, no saying I explained it to you before and then you were yelling at me Cuz I'm gonna be looking you up and down I want to know if this is a man that I want to give me maybe start with like a Grooving a bit you grooving around you want to woo this lady show you moves and then make your way over During the dance and then sit down and then you can start talking to her. All right All right, are you ready, mate? Your timer will start in five.  I can't think of anything Come on Matt. You still got time Matt.   Yeah No Matt try You can wait till he start again cuz I like I think he's mentally insane right now Legit in character as a chick at a bar. I can't win this. It's Michael That funny and then you could win you gotta find you in a confidence. I don't know. I got nothing nothing came to me. Oh We please brown can you at least get up and groove a little bit? No If your approach is to sit down and then talk gibberish and then insult them you're gonna be single until you're 80 come Disappointing maybe we should just make Michael go first from now on Cuz Michael doesn't even have to do anything He just has to be semi nice now because he's gonna win I just I go I went out of character because like I would look let's look at this I went out of character at 30 seconds because I think Matt could get 30 seconds to to fix that I think that would be because I was out of character. I'm over this move 30 seconds.  Can't and I got wet that was hot if you brought that into the scene I got wet too You could Michael show him how it's done But don't hold back just because this because Matt didn't try yeah, you could both lose if you both repulse me All right, okay your time Starts in three two one go Very attention grabbing though. There's no way you wouldn't look at that before no way you wouldn't look at that at a bar And the speed is actually quite impressive So You spin me right around Actually, haven't heard that one before Michael you you're drooling quite a bit um Have you ever seen a dead body? Um I can't say I have actually I've got three grandparents seen them all die Which was your favorite? Oh man, I'm dizzy Must be you What's your name? Jamela And time and time there Michael wins. All right. All right.  Oh, he was definitely he was funny. He was funny and and weird But they're like if if you then if you sat down after the spinning and then Were a bit less weird like you wouldn't have seen this on the camera But when he looked at me one eye was looking at me and the other one was looking at What?  He's gonna chop me up I was a bit dizzy He's gonna chop me into pieces, but the lines were quite funny. It made me giggle. Yeah, and it got a name But neither of you are getting it tonight. There's no way I think I'm right This was weird, but funny. That was just the meaning of low status Oh man, that was a that was a good one though to think of That's nine three brown Dude you could have won that so easy I'm gonna come up with some um Some subjects that I think you will have the upper hand you will don't have to do that make it even No, look, there's still there's subjects that I would have eventually win on a Oh, there's subjects I would have covered eventually throughout the season anyway So I'm just going to push them forwards a little bit and just see if we can tighten things up a bit And give you a bit of confidence back because your confidence is shattered.  Do you really want the mince bottle? Is it special to you? I don't know maybe What's something else that if you win you get that as well cash don't go down this path cash Matt wants cash basketball cards. He wants power That wants power. We will buy you two grand of basketball cards if you be Michael If you win this series you get the cum bottle, sorry mince bottle and $2,000 worth of basketball cards He was working a lot harder in the who's the better brown I agree. I really thinking about those. Yeah, money is your We only base the entire trailer of this whole season on this means. Oh, but anyway, we're already doing that with tinder. What about Man, I reckon okay if you win this series You can come back and win you get the mince bottle as well as $2,000 worth of NBA cards I think you guys have just put me down so much. I just I'm just giving in Oh, come on. You would have won that if you were just yourself Because he was weird All you had to be it was nothing came to me. I just couldn't do it. Yes, you can you can do it You always have you literally should have just come up and said hi.  I'll try and take that on board 93.  All right. Let's switch back to our seats I might go get changed if that's all right. Yeah, that's fine. You're maddie.   I think i'm top five in the world I'm not trying to be arrogant.   Yeah, so we've got a chinny gym at chinny gym on tiktok And we're going to be posting to it more and more and um, surely you could get that record if you double it Put it side by side Yeah, but I kind of don't want to because I feel like we could do it if we get it up there It was funny in the comment sections people like they've tied the crates get yeah Try and try and balance 30 crates. Yeah, exactly But anyway, the point is the weight once you get to 30 crates to start weighing like 40 something kilos I saw the dude that did it and he's like Weakling weakling wow 40 kilos on your chin. Yeah, you can do but it's it's pretty big James says that if he can lift it he can balance it.  What other world records are there with a chin?  Yeah big man. Have you reached out to him?  So we will be posting more there We're very busy at the moment.   I wish I could like Diversify my money or something Maybe that'd be a good like like what skills do any of us really have All talentless. Yeah, I can drink spit. Michael is Michael's talent is that he's really gross I can rip toenails off. I'm just really that's good. I've turned being really annoying into a career Matt no, you're the prank. You're the best prank caller in the world. I reckon we're definitely in australia I've heard I like googled it once of like the best prank callers and you should have a listen It's comical.  And maybe there's multiple world record holders in this room And you are good at tinder chats. Oh, yeah. Well, it's me channeling matt It's just matt. I've got matt with confidence matt's got matt with no confidence man, can we just literally let's Can we reflect like like on last week's poem again? The people are calling for more pause, dude I watched that I watched that poem like a hundred times Throughout the week and I would just be in tears pissing myself every time Yeah, if you don't know what we're talking about go back to last week's episode It's about an hour and ten in go to the time stamps. Yeah, there's some look There's some good tinder chats. Um, and there are some more this week. So why don't we dive right in? You ready matt brown? Would you like to press the button of hypocrisy? T-I-N-D-R we have matt's tinder ha ha ha Matthew brown is lost control now these women will lose their soul Wow Is that just you and a guitar? Yeah, man. That was really good. Oh the chucks And that was a lie You got me back All right, here we go. So oh, yes As you know, we've got matt's tinder logged in and so we're having these conversations as matt brown And i'm funneling girl after girl to matt brown giving out his number i'm giving out his snapchat I'm giving out his instagram and these girls are adding him and calling him and and following him So it's been working pretty well. I would say it's not working well at all What happened some random criminal ring me?  I had a bunch of things out of me to snapchat None of them None of them have spoken to me except for one who is quite lovely But you know, I didn't pursue anything there.  We're just going to get to like season 10 Matt's into season 10 What's the goal dude?  No, it's cool.  He won't look at it. Look at that He's not gonna that was a very cheeky. I'm gonna take care of him.  I don't think your future wife is on tinder. That's why I agree with you. I agree with you Okay One one thing I will say though. I've had sex. I've had better chats with With people from just being on this podcast than I have in any of you trying to set me up with anyone Yeah, so the podcast is working The podcast is working and this everyone my dating nightmares are not working So this segment increases the podcast which increases the flow of women to you outside of this segment And inside this segment and we promise not to talk to the boys. I don't want you to talk anymore So let's enjoy success. You've had little dates with girls that have come around from this podcast. I went for a walk with jasmine Yeah, very lovely. There was lots of flirting with isla lots of flirting with isla But that's it. Oh, and you reject it. You reject me. Ethan. Ethan was very hot and there's also Also, we don't have to get into it. We don't have to get into this every week.  Let's get into this Okay, they're coming. They're coming in thick and fast and that says no. Thank you every time. Here we go All right, so this is a lovely young lady and she's actually like I'll show you Are you angry at me because I say no every time? No, you can do whatever you want. I'm just trying to help you look at her I want to see too Oh, I want to see Matthew brown I can't tell Anyway, but you're pleased with what you saw even a matter. It's a small picture It's a small picture, but he's pleased, you know, she looks after herself. You can tell all I want to say is I want to say one thing.  Aren't I? Well, I've never heard that before. Yeah, I'm a bit of a romantic I even cut my pubic hair into the shape of a love heart with flames on top If you play your cards right, I might send you some pics of it tonight at quarter to seven if you aren't busy What's your digits vixen? LMFAO, I think I'm good on pubes. I think I will pass on that one. It probably sounds weird But once you see them, you'll think oh cool.  I think we think it got bitten by a snake Do you know any celebrities or what? Lol, I don't even know how to take that message. Um, no, I don't know any celebrities Well, you do now sweet tits. I've got a super successful Podcast and someone yelled out there you at me the other day because I listened to it I want to hit up a driving range with me on Sunday morning like 3 30 a.m I'm a super early riser. I'm definitely sleeping at that time. Plus I have two kids. I have full time Golf is a perfect sport for kids.  I can take them if you want. I'll give them a lesson I can pick them up this weekend at like 4 a.m. Give you a chance to clean the house And she did right she did not right Yes, so you basically butchered that to pieces So she showed it.  Wait, wait, did she unmatch? Well, she hasn't yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately Well, maybe I don't know she's gone. I don't know if they unmatch you just If they don't message it doesn't pop up to the top and I forget about them and I move on to the next All right, this lovely young lady starts his conversation.  It's so frustrating I can't help tensing my neck. What's the most you've ever been swollen?  Yeah, sorry. I shouldn't tinder while I'm frustrated I spray my food with bug killer now and that keeps them away So tell me about your spirit, babe. Where do you see yourself in the world, babe? How much have you swollen? She didn't cheer right back to that did she the spirit, babe Matthew Gregory brown. All right. This is this is quite a good one. All right So it you know in matt's tinder provola says that he you know, he's the heir to the king of browns blah, blah, blah So she starts the messaging with Hello, sir brown princess beck curtsies to the royalty that receives this message laughing faces King brown offers his hand to young princess beck and she kisses his rings King brown beckons to a seat at his royal brown table and they take a seat So princess beck. What brings you to my brown castle? Well, sir brown interested has bethrotted my brain Sir brown's smile and profile are of interest to princess beck lol. What brings sir brown to thy tinder? This is how long have they been single She's good king brown reminds you that it's king brown and not sir brown King brown rolls his eyes and looks at one of his guards who also shakes his head in disbelief King brown comes to tinder to extend thy kingdom King brown has already laid his eggs inside every female in the brown land He rules and wishes to squirt his seeds deeply within as many females as possible What say you beck will you let king brown spray his royal seeds throughout your guts? Okay king brown, but how should one princess know if she has never heard of the king?    Well, that was the best and funniest tinder conver I've ever had. Thanks for the blah blah blah blah So this girl is called lina. So uh matt starts the message with i'm so lonely lisa. Have you ever had surgery? Oops, I think you sent this to the wrong person.  I'm so sorry about that Lisa is my date from three nights ago But she's left me now all alone because I had surgery to fuse my knee joints and arm joints together So it's really quite difficult to walk on two completely straight stiff legs and arms So, yeah, not a good weekend. How's yours been? Okay? I would think most people find it difficult to walk on their arms. I know I can't Oh, sorry. I didn't explain myself. I fused my knee joints and my elbow joints. So they're no longer bent I had to do it. It's a medical condition So I still have arms and legs where they go, but I just can't bend them Medical conditions are common in royal lineage. I think it's from keeping it in the family Lol, yeah, the buyer was a joke But my knee arthrodesias isn't especially since it's spread to my elbows It's kind of cool talking to someone lina. Do you mind if we keep chatting a bit? My surgery was only a day ago Lucky it was only your elbows and not your fingers. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to tie Well, it's well, it's not to say it can't happen in the future I don't feel like you're believing me right now. You can google knee arthrodesias if that helps Which is actually a medical condition where they have to fuse your knee joints together. I didn't know that really Yeah I know it's a medical condition. I don't know how you could send me a message instead of lisa What hospital are you in? I guess I'm on a fair few painkillers and your names are kind of similar And that's st. Vincent's they are but we have never engaged in conversations And I'm still struggling to believe it. Maybe you should try lisa again Lena i'm gonna be honest with you I made the whole hospital thing up because I thought chicks love helping dudes when they're sick and vulnerable There never was a lisa. Let me make it up to you. Let me make you a veggie garden Lol, sorry. I only eat meat. Sorry if you had a cattle farm, I'd be all in Well, it's funny you mentioned that I actually do have a small cattle farm One huge cow called mom living on it currently No reply Oh god, all right, this one's good. This one is I just gotta pre-warn you guys. This was actually a really Nice girl. So I just I just I had to stop it Like she was just too nice. I couldn't continue. So I just I kind of just Let it go because she was just too nice. You'll see what I mean But then I will read what I was going to send. I actually consulted with james on this. Yeah, I was a negative Yeah, I was gonna send her something but it probably would have broken her heart So matt starts with this I gripped her hand too hard. That's what my mother said to me today. Can you believe it? Well, you can grip my hand as hard as you like. There would be no complaints here with that I dislocated three of my mother's knuckles.  I can grip your waist too if you want.   How did you know that that's my favorite?    I guess we just have that natural sexual chemistry Just a bit kinky. I'm not used to sexting someone. Sorry Yeah, I'm not used to it either the convo started by talking about crushing my mother's hands when I held them too tightly Now I'm staring up at the ceiling fan ceiling fantasizing about getting you up on turning it on full blast Where do you live? All I was thinking about is how sick I hope it was on full blast. I'm in north lakes. What about yourself? Yeah, you vomiting while spinning at such an intense velocity It's not only hot as fuck, but I feel like it would look cool too I'm a massive house in bridgeman dance with like four to five ceiling fans So we aren't even that far away. Can I tell you a secret? You can tell me a secret I'm actually kind of nervous telling you promise you won't say anything Why are you nervous? By the way, my name is verity Because I feel like we've got a good thing going on and I don't want to risk scaring you away.  Oh, thank you and your smile is infectious. Oh, which is what drew me to your profile Okay, I have anal canal duplication Essentially, I have two buttholes I just always tell people early on so no one has to waste their time with me if it's something that wears them out or whatever And please obviously don't go around to your friends saying oh my god This guy has two buttholes and show my pics because that's happened before and it really sucked for me for a while No way I would never say anything to like that to anyone. That's so cruel people are so mean I've had my share of being picked on and your secret is safe with me I appreciate you telling me though and I'm not scared off Oh, that's no kind of you to say.  Do you have any cool little quirks like that? I'd have to say my only thing is I wear a hearing aid in my left ear So don't so don't talk quietly in my left ear because I won't hear it And then I was going to say I didn't I just said I just ended it with like oh, you're super nice blah, blah, blah But I was going to say I didn't Oh, you wear a hearing aid So like I'll have to talk at different levels depending on where I'm standing and relations you. Yeah, that's kind of a deal brother for me She was so nice But like the thought of it is like funny for a second Yeah, Matt. Is she the one That look she's into some kinky shimmy. Can you imagine a hog-tired chick?  She's into that. It'll be fun.  Did they end with you pushing him to me? Yeah, yeah, all right. This one's called Emily. This one did reach out to you All right, so she starts a conversation What three words would you use to describe yourself petrol plague and detach red What's the last one detached retinas?  Just be honest Resilient luminous and selfless. All right. Now.  Um, beaver, boo-hickey, bongol I think we just came up with the names of our future six kids my sweet little rainbow I'm playing a little puddle I'm playing in the I'm playing in a puddle on the street with my toys. What are you up to today? That's a lot of kids. I don't really have much planned until I pick my boy up later. Can I have it? Can you have it? Yeah, your plans can I have some of your plans? I want you to make time for me Like I don't mind you hanging out with your kid But you still need to make sure there's time for us so we can continue our connection What are your plans for tomorrow? Tomorrow? I'm practicing my karate until about 1 p.m. But after that, I'm free Can we eat goat? Why goat? I'm just heaps skilled at flaying goat flesh. I was raised in Tasmania There's there's more goats than people there People learn how to finally fill a goat at a very young age It's quite an art form the trick is to keep the blade of your knife just under the skin So that you don't lose any of the fleshy goat meat. What are your hobbies? Oh, that's a skill. I grew up on a farm. So I've seen it all done not to a goat though I like to say I have wonderful hobbies, but after my last relationship and focusing on my son I kind of forgot about myself But the last 12 months I've put a lot of focus on myself and starting to adventure out Two things that have always stuck with me is rainforest walks slash runs and cooking Yeah, whenever I've had a stressful day. I just pick a goat out of the field and fillet it's so relaxing Especially when the knife is as sharp as a scalpel.   You're random as I just have to say that Is that good or like shit? No, it's not a bad thing at all. I've been smiling Do you have insta or might that be easier that might be easier to chat through if you're interested?  So thank you Do you believe in fate? I'm drawn to you for some reason I'm so glad to be of service. Why did you need it today? Not having a good day? I do believe in fate. Do you? Oh for what reason?  Anyway, it's just a pillow with legs.  Can't I would prefer human cat milk? Can women produce milk all the time or only when they're pregnant genuinely curious?  That's hectic go to way better than cheese and I know you're venting but you can Can eat sheep. No women only produce milk when they're pregnant.      Hey, haha I remember getting bullied so much in primary school for still getting breastfed But it was just cost-effective if I sucked on your tits long enough Or even though you're not pregnant. Would that start producing milk? I would do that experiment with you if if you get bored Oh Save money where you can no honey.   No, that's ongoing She's the one man.     So it could have been up by now. That's crazy May yeah, maybe if you change this it may we can add it into a vlog. How about that? We'll add it into a vlog I reckon you're right.  I think people would hate it.  Oh All right, it's nice. All right. Thank you Uh next question is from connor westwood Um, how do you guys find walking around brisbane on a regular day?   We've been quite lucky everyone's very nice and friendly and Yeah, people come get photos. Yeah, we love everyone. So it's so many website members come up.  Yeah, so relax and be yourself. I get it. Oh, I saw the smoke of it It's like, you know, it's the three minute like prank videos online They don't really represent who we are as people as much as the podcast and the website videos Look at my brown.  Yeah, sometimes james got recognized at the airport And it can it coals and at the footy. Oh, wow. Oh, really? Yeah, oh, wow.  I was with cam twos Oh Was camera was shocked. Yeah, it was a little bit shocked. Like these like three dudes screamed at me out of the car Next person is from don't stay awake Can you boys do a road trip for the podcast at the end of the year for every state or just come to melbourne at least Let's get the caravan and going on a road trip with it.  It'd be good. Maybe we should Yeah, it'd be good to do just this like the capital cities. Sydney's only 10 hours away Is that it's not road worthy though? Is it what the caravan? No? I think if we did it, we'd do it a bit different But they don't know the cop doesn't know that that's not road worthy.  That's why you'd have trouble. Oh god rules.  It would be. Yeah. Oh, it'd be so hot.  I'd be down from that Can I come?  Um, do you guys reckon you can get matt brown the ufc fighter on the podcast? Oh, that'd be cool. Wouldn't that be for clients? That'd be the most boring interview though I reckon he'd be so serious. He is a very serious dude Like he was good on joe rogan, but they talked about fighting so it made sense.   I reckon and he'd hold that grudge. I reckon he'd come looking for us Should try kissing Oh, yeah, that maybe stay away from it. Yeah, let's give that matt brown a rest.  Um, next one is from william betruni patroni patroni patroni But depending where he's from. Um, we'll mark love to watch a marvel movie this season I'm definitely got one in the works I forgot about marvel for a while Batman vs. Superman. It wasn't that horrific. Yeah, yeah, man. I would recommend that. Yeah No Sorry, I mean who would watch that first of all Oh, yeah, and he would actually go. Yeah, all right. I'll watch that if it was done. Well, no, isn't it obvious who would win that No, superman.  That means a man.  Oh, man So it was Superman Batman. And what about those creatures that fight each other?  Listen up.   That's for sure. Thank you for thank you for getting that across Marty because I was spot on Even I agree the versus films are quite shit um Prattie Prattie is um in Thailand at the moment Oh, yeah Prattie has said he's going to get a portrait of me tattooed on him for For um in exchange for a brown versus brown comp. We've said yes And um, he just wanted a comment saying he's currently waiting Uh at the tattoo place to get his tattoo. So so he'd probably have it by now Which photo I wonder is he gonna get he picked out three photos and just and just what's his name prattie prattie Damn us the mighty Michael account. Yeah, I've told him I've told actually the fully actual because matter. It's easier to see right Prattie's in contact with me. So How does that make you feel? He's thought he's thinking about doing the bong break one pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah, we'll see I kind of wish he'd use that one of you at the Tasmanian art gallery It's my favorite photo of all time.  Oh, dude, I use it every chance I can. I want to line my house walls with it Next question is from haze haze. Hey, no not haze Anyway, depending where he's from or she's from um When did Matt brown when did Matt ball brown lot lose all his hair? Um progressive but progressive like two Two years ago. Well, I was at your house. I shaved it. Yeah, I remember there was a lot of oh, should I shave it? Should I shave it and it was a lot a well beyond the stage?  I didn't mind it. I seriously thought you could have kept going No, Michael you need to be reminded of how you need to start losing some hair I'm getting close to if I see no videos You know where near me. I am too when we should discuss hair transplants.  It's test though. Let's do some heroin Michael we can discuss it.  I just don't think I look good I've seen the other people have gone on probably look exactly what you look like now. Oh my god.  He had no forehead. Oh, why would he choose to do that? It was so bad that I don't know.  It was so bad. Oh my god See that scares me to do and then you can't get rid of him. Can you that's grown for Actually, you can make a laser man. Well, then why wouldn't you grow it out shave it imagine growing a forehead? Afro, I don't know enough about it, but dude, that's not a bad website video What? If you can just get like a random patch of hair Transplanted on some weird party That's not bad Just on your tailbone so like rushing it every morning with a big hair brush Imagine if you just had like a beautiful strip of hair that could just grow out of your arm Oh, wow that I actually I would do that. It's not a bad website on your elbows What about this you grow them on your hips and then you grow them long enough. It's like suspenders Oh, wow Amazing.  All right next question is wrong. Sorry. Just on that Imagine if you got a little bit of hair transplanted to come out of your your unicorn tail That's not bad.  Would it grow like head hair there? Really? I don't like it. So yeah science. It's kind of tempting Yeah, I don't know. Look, I will look into it. Yeah, I like that. We'll look into it And write it down. Yep. All right. Next question is from DOS29 Um Can you do have a can you two have a competition where the losers punishment? They have to go do a day of tennis coaching. Oh, that would be terrible I'd one day be all right because I wouldn't care. I wouldn't take any care. I wouldn't I wouldn't yeah But it would be so funny to see him to see my good coaching again So remember the last few times I saw him coaching us up on the top court and you had to walk down here To get to Michael's court and Michael had just really didn't want to coach that day.  It was so I had to look down and see that if there were no parents there You could it was just like just stand there and let them do what they want less energy put into them But like, you know, the kids are happy just being on court Oh, man, so good.  It's another long one Um, hopefully the yeah, anyway, all right guys. It is time for Michael's movie reviews hit it man Matt's got a movie for Michael to review Matt's father's name is greg And Michael would rather be dead. This is Michael's movie review See we're adding music to your comments need the music because it is just fucking like bolsing Matilda She did before wasn't on well Let me take this opportunity to remind you to please like comment and subscribe and give us a five star review on spotify It really helps grow the podcast. It's the only way because while our video is demonetized. It doesn't get shown anyone continue So what was the movie you had to review? Okay X?  Anyway, Michael, what do you think? This is my jam This is this is the one you liked it.    It's crazy.  Oh the sex stuff was like whatever, but like Matt loves It was like, man, it was great concept. I love the house.  He's like we've been in the land for the last 40 minutes or some of that. Yeah, great setting great concept Um, good ending the whole film itself is like a masterpiece really and Whoa It's um, it's only it's still only like a seven out of ten. What really? Yeah, like it's not the beach Masterpiece then okay. It's it's a piece of master. Yeah, it's a piece of master Seven out of ten for me is good. Like, you know, we're talking titanics nine You you don't have a ten? No, it's probably no ten.  Yeah, that is very good That's a nine two. No, that's that's a seven ready.  It was like Yeah, I'm very impressed with you. Oh, well, what what movie we're gonna let's give him one that he might not like I gave the movie about an eight out of ten. So it's good to hear you say seven You guys have finally agreed on a movie. All right, you didn't do any lines from the show You finally had a chance to say some lines and some gimmicks and he might not hate you for it Yeah, I did.  It's a creepy film. If you if you've got anxiety, maybe you don't watch it Really? Oh, well, it's just sort of like you can see it happening Yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch it. Christina definitely definitely watch it.   We'll just watch that. Yeah. Yeah, we'll just watch it then we'll watch it again Yeah, okay. Um So I had pre conversation with you about the list I've got there. So apparently you haven't seen this It's a tarantino film, but it's the first one he did so reservoir dogs Haven't seen it. She said you haven't seen so reservoir dogs is the movie I've chosen for you for uh next week's review I do have it in the dvd collection, but it's on every streaming service.  Is it better than from dust till dawn? Oh, it'd be equal Very different movies, but equal I'll be interested in that. I think there's parts of it that'll be a bit long for him. It is acting Yeah, we'll see we'll see about that. All right now matt We looked at the comments from last week and all of our website members commented that they would like you to review one of our website videos The julian and jackson date video Well, I don't I figure what it's called on the website, but it's like it's called that Is it julian julian and jackson dinner date? I'm pretty sure and basically michael and I had to try and make them vomit over a Course of their three course meal that that was the objection of the video All of our website members wanted matt to watch it and review it and matt watched it today dinya matt I did so matt tell us what you think He's gonna do a speech I'm gonna go through the negatives first And once again, I've always said the one percent is what makes the videos bad but you never listen um I hate that the restaurants at the house I understand why because you know, you're limited Even if it was done in a in something a bit more By the way, everyone this is back when we had we were still very poor. This is early website But I will say it's good once you get inside and you're in the living room because you've set it up like a bit of a restaurant Then it cuts. I know this is church road times like when we're living in that was a shitty place meages then Oh, yeah, yeah, when you what did you set that up? Yeah, uh Just just once I'm sorry about that. Are you okay? Dude, you are so pale right now. Yeah, yeah, really honestly, it really is not good.  I'm so dizzy right now. Oh my god. Sorry. Anyway, continue Yeah, so once you get inside the living room, it's great. Um, but then yeah, the outside set up is at the house. It's disappointing Okay, so you hate that next one. Um other one percent as well as um, every now and the camera would go in and out of focus No, no, let me get there. Let me get there. These are things that annoyed me So, um, the camera goes in and out of focus a lot. I'm not sure why maybe it was just the situation where the smell or I'm not sure But I accepted it. Um, james was not in any type of chef uniform. He was just in james uniform I thought that was a one percent and a good chance lost because you guys were dressed up and he wasn't he looked like the chef He's handing you the meals That upset me. You had a chance.  Um, funniest bits was definitely the opening out the front Uh, where he says, uh, his lines out there. I can't remember the exact words, but he said you shouldn't have I had a good laugh at that. I also had a really good laugh at your wine pause Well, you filled the wine to the brim and slammed it down.  Um Um in a good way. No, uh, oh Oh, I don't know The vomit soup Oh, really great idea, but you snorting it was very hard to watch Yeah, I forgot I felt like it forgot about that for some reason it burned to my throat and that's the feeling I got But yeah, that was fucked up. Um, also what's wrong with you? But that's not the first what's wrong with you. I've got after the vomit snorting And you know on julian once again very weak stomach Yeah, he's always had a weak stomach. I feel for the boy.  Oh, yeah, I felt shame after yeah There was an air of like silence and like What have we done after? um Yeah, it's just one. I think I said this lastly once again.  No, no I'm just sexual about it. There's nothing sexual. So it can't be porn.   That's like the whole thing except for Jackson Super strong.   Oh, I definitely wouldn't post about it to you guys It's the moment where he walks out of the house. Like we're all standing around freaking out talking about it He just casually Drenched in the shower is one of the funniest moments in that video and I can't even explain why Yeah, very good um Yeah, so Michael does the axe poo shave Um, which was so upsetting. So explain that. What is that? Basically, he's he shits onto a plate And he smears it up and slaps it on his face and he goes to shave it with an axe That's part of the um, it's one of the things they offer at their restaurant Which I don't bar bar slash restaurant. You got two services. I will give it to you. That is some real service you guys are giving because no restaurant in the world No restaurant in the world if I went for cover that restaurant would have flourished Oh, um, but yeah, the axe poo shave was very upsetting for me to watch my one of my best friends do that It just kind of tweaked the opinion of you a bit for me You gotta do it. Is that what is that most shameful and then I thought that was it I thought that was LA. All right.  Yeah, it's not sexy though. Is it sexual? As we're just doing it for a laugh, do you know, I think no one's hard I think if you did it sexually it might have been a bit better video, but Whoa brown pissing on my face hard Yeah, um, uh, it was a little bit more entertaining than the last week's video. So you liked it more than laugh you lose Oh, yeah, I actually enjoyed it. I think it's a great. I enjoyed it a lot more than laugh you so it's for me Six out of ten six out of ten. All right. So let's steer away from the gross ones guys Let's comment a funny painful one. Let's see how that handles that one. Yeah, man Let's see. Let's find a sense of humor because as we got sketches We got vlogs.   I wonder you know what? We should do another high hiking but brown comes with us You won't be able to get high though You can still that would be very comedic. You can do some ketamine Oh, also just briefly on that video the jackson julian dinner date.  I understand. He's the talent.  You cannot smell it That house wasn't that's first streaming in there. I had to live there dude. It was the most bizarre Fucked up smell mix of vomit which takes me back to the camera whoever had the camera. I think was struggling With the smells. Yeah, it's it's it's our most intense gross video By far I would say I have seen reaction videos from fans from that video like ages ago and yeah I feel you and and split the fans a lot of people like this is like way too much Yeah, some people didn't like do you think you lost anyone? Definitely. Yeah, we had a new film of that day. Did we yeah, remember? Yeah, it was a new guy josh. Was it josh. Was that josh's first time and see josh again. No, not josh. No Yeah, it was josh, but it was a different josh. I did see that guy running around Well, he never came he didn't come back It's good that's a good cherry. Yeah.  Give that one. Sorry. I missed the score It's too scat-pornie man Calvin your way Scat I don't accept porn because it's not sexual. No, not at all. It's scat. It's not It's scat Wait, so it's just scat videos. You're right. The scats where it's at. That's our tag Yeah, the one I wonder if brown might like not not for now, but the um, the mic do microwaves work Do microwaves dude.  That was yeah, I don't know if he likes that I don't know if he likes like that because the banter that kind of banter. I don't know if he likes that much You've got to try it out. Yeah. Yeah, we will so just comment what you want matt to watch next everybody And that is the reviews all fucked. All right guys, so we're gonna do a peer box next week We've been going for way too long. So we've got one crack at this prank call We're meant to be banking these prank calls, but we haven't been we apologize. Let's hope This prank call works. All right.   Um here.   Have you seen have you seen this one?     That's enough for a prank or try call back I'll call again. I'll call. I'll call again. What's your angle here though?  Yeah, don't he's just going to hang up on me Like I'm just trying to talk to you try and figure out like if I leave right now Do I get a refund or not? He's didn't even give me an answer Sorry, what fashion are you in? I don't know what I'm guarding the galaxy or whatever.  Yeah, what time? 7 30 7 30 session like I don't know what cinema number or whatever, but like I've been sitting here for an hour Uh, we don't issue refunds after 30 minutes.   Uh, no, we don't do refunds after 15 minutes of the movie Right, right, right, right. Anything like that. No, look, I respect you coming back at me now I'm being like all right laying the law down on that Look, that's um, that's respectful lock and off of sat back down now.   Do you know what I mean?  Our 730 session is only $18 for a ticket.   What I'm saying is it's expensive Right, and I'm saying he's got to let people know if the shit movie All right, I'll calm down. Hang on. I'm just on the phone Me. Oh, anyway, divana, what's divana was Uh, yeah, look, it's you can't be talking through the movie either like if you're on the phone during the movie It's a bit disrespectful everywhere. Well, what do you expect me to do?  Yeah. Well, what is this?  So there's not much to disturb. Is it?  Stop staring at me. All right, divana.  I'll come back in and I'll calm down, right? I'll calm down everyone.  Do you understand me?  I'll quiet and down I'll come back in and we are sewn together by the southern cross star spirit in our heart and soul Do you understand that and I mean it Southern cross to the day I die I love you.  Yeah fucking.  Oh Margaret Margaret would be amazing imagine her like getting angrier and angrier. Yeah Oh, dude That was epic very good. All right guys. That is the end of episode number 12 Don't forget to like I like I didn't tell you uncle about everything that you saw here And don't forget that Matt is a single fish and wants you With


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Good afternoon, a very warm welcome to you all, it's a beautiful day here in Dublin and I hope you're all keeping well and staying safe. My name is Joyce O'Connor and I chaired the digital group here at the IIEA, and I'm delighted to welcome you to our webinar today which asks the question, digital to drive Irish and European recoveries, a rhetorical question, but I'm delighted that we are joined to discuss this with Kasper Klum, who's the Vice President for European Government Affairs at Microsoft. Kasper, thank you so much for being with us today. We're delighted to see you and I know you've had a very busy schedule so we're really pleased to welcome you to the IIEA and we look forward to your presentation. Kasper will speak for around 20 minutes and then I will go to your audience for questions. We'll have around 20 minutes for questions today. Please join in our discussion with Kasper using the Q&A function on Zoom, which is at the end of your screen. I'd really appreciate it if you give your name and designation when you ask a question. I really appreciate that and thank you so much. Please also join us on our discussion on Twitter using the handle at IIEA. Over the last year, I think I can safely say that we are all preoccupied with COVID-19 and its effects. It is certainly true for European and Irish leaders. I've never seen how digital and emerging technologies have helped us address some of the COVID-19 issues. Digital transformation occurred at a pace. Many were surprised how individuals, agencies, systems adapted so quickly. All governments, including Ireland, look to secure economic recovery now and the EU is embracing both the green and digital agenda. So it is timely to place technology and emerging technologies at the heart of societal and economic planning. Kasper will argue that the remarkable cluster of technology companies and world-leading research centres located in Ireland provides a unique opportunity for Ireland to emerge as Europe's digital leader. EU President and European policy makers are seeking to foster a green economy with tech policy. The digital agenda is at the centre of the European recovery agenda. Kasper will discuss with us how the role of digital solutions technologies can play a core role in economic recovery. He will discuss the question, can Ireland build on a successful export-oriented enterprise model with three additional attributes, such as digital policy leadership, innovation, transformation? Can Ireland provide leadership to a digital partnership across the Atlantic with the US? And will Ireland become Ireland's digital leader for 2025? Can we make this ambition a reality and in the process transform Ireland's society and economy on the way? So Kasper, as we were saying earlier, this is a very timely presentation, and you have the background, expertise, vision, and indeed passion to ask these questions. Kasper is a Marshall Memorial Fellow. Prior to joining Mark Russoft, he served as Denmark's and the world's first ambassador to the global tech industry. His duties include ambassador to Indonesia, Timor-Leste, Papua New Guinea, and ambassador to Cyprus. Kasper worked in several posts within the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and also served as head of the European Union's Civil Crisis Management in Kosovo. He is currently Microsoft Vice President for European Government Affairs, with responsibility for all of Microsoft's government affairs and public policy work across the EU. He serves also on the senior leadership team of Microsoft's corporate, external and legal affairs groups. In 2018, Kasper was named among the world's 100 most influential people in the digital environment. You are very welcome again, Kasper, and we look forward to your presentation. Well, thanks a lot, Joyce, and don't believe everything you read, but it's a pleasure to be with you today. Very impressive, though, Kasper, we have to say. Not at all. I pay people to afford those information, but anyway, thanks very much for saying. As we just discussed before going live, I think the only thing that is said about today is that we aren't able to be together in Dublin. I have been looking forward to that and some of my super good colleagues, Katrina and Kiran from Microsoft and Ireland, we'd actually postpone this visit so that we could make sure they could happen in person, but that's where we are, Joyce. But it's a pleasure to be with you. Thank you. I think I will talk a little bit to begin with and whether I will reach the 20 minute mark, I don't know, but then we can have a few more questions perhaps at the end. And Joyce, perhaps if I can begin by saying that one of the reasons that we are virtually visiting Ireland is that in many ways I think we are at a pretty crucial moment in Europe's history and to some extent also an individual member states including in Ireland. And if I was a little bit cheekier, I would say all the questions you asked in the beginning, Joyce, the answer is yes to all of the above. Yes, I think Ireland can play an incredibly important role. Yes, I think the approach to technology that Ireland is playing is important, not only in Dublin, but also in Brussels. And yes, I think as we look at a world where, let's be honest, we have to rebuild and reconstruct the transatlantic relationship. I think a country like Ireland can play an incredibly important role. But just to sort of start off where you teed us off, Joyce, I think when you look at the world here in 2021, and looking back at a very, very particular year, not an easy year, but certainly a year where we've been struggling, not only with with COVID-19 and the immediate impact of the global pandemic but also and how do we set in motion, sort of the preparation for a digital decade if you like because I think one of the conclusions that many of us have come to. I count myself in that category, also before joining the private sector before joining Microsoft. It is that digitalization and technology is going to be a major game changer, primarily for good. And it's going to ultimately transcend every part of our society, every single sector, every single industry and that's one of the reasons why we have to take this, and not as an issue on the outskirts of government or governance, but really as something that is mainstream and we need to focus a lot more on. And we've been through some very, very difficult months and unfortunately we're still not completely through I'm sitting in Brussels where we just had introduced a new lockdowns a few days ago because of a rising numbers. And there's also evident as we struggled with COVID-19 that had we not had the 21st century technology that we have today, we will probably be facing an even more difficult situation. We have lost thousands of jobs across Europe. We have people that are struggling, you know, I have two teenage boys at home. And I think they've been doing as well as they could, but it hasn't been easy for them as a remote schooling and remote education. But the alternative, I think to having a situation where that is possible would have been much more devastating both at individual level, but also for our economies that would probably have contracted even more we would have seen an even greater loss of jobs. It's also evident that these technologies have been instrumental in making sure that we've been able to handle the immediate impact of the pandemic in the way that we have. Whether it's helping first line responders at hospitals, whether it is making sure that the scientists and researchers involved in the vaccination programs they have access to, you know, frontline machine learning technologies that have helped them move. And I think it's really quicker in the development of the vaccines that we now see rolled out that has been a game changer in so many ways. It has also, and this is why I want to be quite honest, revealed. I think that I think European decision makers have been struggling it for starting with for many, many years and that is Europe's role in an increasingly bipolar, digitalized the world where especially the US but also Asia and increasingly plays a very, very important role and I think there has been a feeling both before COVID-19 but certainly perhaps gain new momentum during COVID-19 of the fact that Europeans in Europe is incredibly dependent on technology that is not developed and deployed inside the European Union but comes from the outside. And that brings me to, I think, one of the topics that we really want to talk about today. And that is the discussion around digital sovereignty or strategic autonomy, whatever you want to call it. This feeling in Europe of being dependent on technologies that come from the outside and perhaps a feeling of lack of control or perhaps a feeling that we're not building, you know, the startups and the entrepreneurs that we want we're not scaling those companies to the level where they become global companies with with a massive impact on the outside. And I think, you know, there are two ways to approach this discussion one is to say, and that's how it is. And we need to make sure that we focus on those aspects. And I think another way of looking at it is to say that there are really good reasons why you have this discussion unfolding in Europe, and as a global technology company we have an incredibly big responsibility to try and make sure that we help and assist Europe. And that's to stay a global power, making sure that we help Europe recover from COVID-19 create the jobs of tomorrow. In other words, I think it is very appropriate for us to acknowledge that the sovereignty debate or the digital sovereignty is here for good, valid, legitimate reasons and we have to make sure that we align ourselves with with this new reality. And that in many ways is part of what we formulated in Microsoft in Europe as a campaign we call take fit for Europe. And of course that's just a clever way of responding to to the European Commission's Europe fit for the digital age vision. But it is actually more than just a fancy slogan it is, I would say a mindset of how we make sure that the technology we develop the technology we deploy in Europe that that is fully aligned with European values European traditions and European aspirations. And it's not a small thing because for example when you look at the discussions around privacy or more recently about cybersecurity. These are issues that I would say almost existential to to Europe. And it matters a whole lot that we take those discussions with us back home and we focus on what we can do to make sure that there is trust with the technology that we deploy. I mean our motto inside Microsoft is that technology runs in trust. And I think from my friends from my family, it is so easy to dismantle that trust with a few difficult handlings of for example data, etc. And I think that's one of the key lessons that we have to take with us that we make sure that we focus on these areas. I think the other side of of COVID-19 the other positive if you like aspect that has come forward is of course the dual focus on the dual transit transformation of both going digital and also focusing on sustainability. And I had the pleasure to meet with a number of Irish ministers and officials over the last couple days. And I think it's been really reassuring to see how rounded the discussion around sustainability and climate change is an island as well. The island being one of the epicenters of foreign direct investments, including by we have a massive presence in Ireland, we have data centers as has some of our competitors. But I think the focus we have both an island in Dublin but also at the European Union level is now that we have to make sure as we digitalize our countries and again we have to do that. Not because we think it's interesting or nice to, but because it is absolutely necessary to compete in a global digitalized world. But as we do that we have to ensure we do it in a way which is consistent with fighting climate change and making sure that we do it in a sustainable way. So I think that's one of the few positive things you could say that has been the outcome of COVID-19. When you put all of this together so you know COVID-19, the digitalization of our societies, if you combine that with, you know, the dependency on on perhaps a lot of foreign technology. And then you add to the mix, something that I think is top of mind in Dublin and I'm sure Joyce you've spent a lot of time on Brexit. And then I think you have to some extent that the perfect storm or the perfect mix where it is only natural that the European Union. Also with the European Commission that has been on office a bit more than a year now is now beginning to pick up pace and rolling out a fairly impressive or frightening regulatory agenda depending on where where you're sitting. I think one of the aspects that we've also been discussing with with Irish decision makers in the last couple of days is of course, this regulatory wave or regulatory freight train. How do we make sure that that is focused on defending core European values defending, you know, Europe's ability to take its own decision, but doing it in a way which is consistent with what Europe has always been about. An open market, free trade, strong on human rights strong on fundamental rights, but always looking to to deal with the outside world always having a strong link towards the US. And I think that is the only area where we've been perhaps a little bit cheeky with with some of the Irish ministers and saying we would love to have a bigger Irish voice. Certainly in Dublin but also in Brussels and across Europe because we are at a moment where defending that approach to European history is certainly something that we feel is quite important. And with Brexit. I think the traditional forward leaning digitalized countries have lost an ally, let's be honest about that, which perhaps has tilted the balance in Europe, a little bit in a different direction where there is more focus on making sure that we, we defend the European approach. And what I think both as a European but also representing the company that I do, it will be incredibly important in the next months and the next couple of years that we get those regulations right. They will increase accountability and scrutiny, including on a company like Microsoft, we welcome that, and it won't always be easy for us to comply with the new regulations but whether we talk sustainability or we talk cybersecurity we think that is a scrutiny or a requirement that we just have to live up to because that is a core part of making sure that we have trust in in our new technologies that we have trust in using the opportunities that the digital age will also bring about it. And it is going to be important that all voices will be heard across Europe in this direction. And again, if I if I just turn back to the beginning of our conversation. And what we spend a few days in Dublin talking to, to the Irish government about. I do think that I islands sort of history and its experience with attracting investments by focusing on how Ireland can also be sort of a beacon of hope in a broader sense creating the jobs of tomorrow, transitioning society into a digital direction is going to be incredibly important. And I think, George, you sort of asked three, or you pointed to three areas that we think are important so the digital transformation I think is where Ireland can be helpful also making sure that Europe will will say its course. I think focusing on making sure that connectivity will will reach everybody because without connectivity it is very difficult to be part of the digital economy. There are areas where we're doing fantastic work together with Ireland on broadband connectivity. Interesting things happening right now where more rural area, more less connected areas where they're now being hooked up so that you have the students and schools that can get connected, a broader populations can get connected. Those are examples that we would like to use and scale, not only across Europe but in fact across the world because I think this digital divide that we very often talk about is going to be one of the main challenges for all of us as we look into the next decade. And similarly to what we've seen with previous challenges or prizes, not being connected today is such an existential issue that I think we have to do our best to make sure that we invest in connectivity in Europe but also outside Europe. And then you mentioned Joyce, the question of policy. And, and, you know, being a person who've been dealing with policies for a few years in this area. This is this is one point where I think we just have to acknowledge that the pace of development of these new technologies is the gap between where our policies are today and where technology is that that gap hasn't been reduced to some extent to some extent it has been expanding. So I do think we have to invest both from the public sector but also in the private sector in bringing a new generation of decision makers up to speed with digital policies that we will need tomorrow. And it's one of the reasons why we've teamed up with with UCD and developing a program in, in, in Ireland in Dublin. And I can tell you I've had several of my own team members attend that course. And I want to give credit to my own team member Kieran for really driving this program program forward. And I think that's just an example to be used in a lot of other places. I wish I could have taken that course a few years ago to some extent I should still take it, because I think I could learn quite a lot about how we work together and defining the policies of tomorrow. If I just end up with one word that I think is going to be absolutely critical in in everything we're going to do. That word is going to be multi stakeholderism, because I think this is in many ways where the 21st century or these 2021 might be different than the world we knew 10 or 20 years ago, because many of the challenges we face are whether it's on education, skilling, whether it's on sustainability, whether it's on cybersecurity, whether it's on privacy, those are issues that cannot be solved either by the private sector or by the public sector and isolation. We have to work together. We have to find common solutions. We have to make sure that we all act in a responsible way. And in many ways, I think that's what what we're what we're facing what we're looking at in the next couple of years and decades perhaps so I'll finish up with with the first sort of short introduction on this and be very happy to answer any easy questions that you have the difficult ones we can say for other times. Thank you so much, Casper. I think you ended on a very positive note of working together and and that complex nature of technology. There's so many stakeholders. But can I bring you back first to the that first comments of the first comments you made about digital sovereignty and the importance of that for Europe and for Ireland, you know, for the whole of the European community in terms of autonomy, but also perhaps that issue of collaboration and working with others, particularly the US, particularly also because of the dominance of China and bringing in your really strong focus on values and trust. Is the retention there between that digital sovereignty and the idea of developing a stronger EU US partnership. You will be shocked Joyce, when I say I don't think there is a contradiction or tension between between the two of them, or at least I would say I don't think there should be. Because I think it is only natural again going back to what I mentioned early on that Europe wants to further develop its skill sets its competences but frankly speaking also defend its role in the world. And I do think there is sort of a couple of different approaches to technology one is based on, you know, the free market very limited regulation where you can do more or less whatever you want. Perhaps another version of it where there was very heavy involvement of the of the public sector and defining, you know, the technology application of tomorrow, and then I think there is a European way. And you will probably very often hear from the private sector that regulations are something we don't enjoy. We, we, to some extent I think I perceived as wanting to to fight back on regulation I think that's a misconception, because I think if you get regulations right. It clarifies. I would say how it operates and what is required for us to operate in those markets and I would just say, you know, going back to one example that I that I often enjoy I'm Danish as you can hear from my heavy accent. And of course we we went through a sustainability transition in Denmark, dating all the way back to the 1970s. But it's quite interesting, especially my my former role representing the government how often, you know, I heard that it was done out of altruism and just because I think that, you know, Denmark focusing a lot on climate change and sustainability, where in fact, the reality is that this was driven by every regulation coming out of the government in the 1970s as a direct response to the oil crisis, which basically led to an existential crisis in Denmark, you cannot cope with the increase oil price and therefore you had to green the the economy and make that economy much more sustainable. Fast forward to the late 90s then you have a new, you know, sector with a lot of sustainable companies that are doing well on the global state. So I think, in many ways what the European Union is doing right now is increasing the requirements to everybody operating in Europe. And I think for us, that is an acknowledgement that digital sovereignty is not something uniquely European. I'm pretty sure, Joyce, if you went to New Delhi or if you went to Brazil or if you went to and asked you want digital sovereignty. I would be very surprised if they would say no, no, not particularly interested. I think, I think where the world is looking towards Europe is to define what digital sovereignty means in 2021. And I don't want this to sort of turn into a two historical discussion but in many ways I would argue that the European Union has always been a response to a particular set of challenges around sovereignty. You know the European Union is in many ways a response to the second world war. And as we've seen Europe integrate evolved over the last couple of decades. That has been about, you know, finding a way of maintaining the sovereignty while at the same time expanding sort of the sovereignty notion as we know it. And in many ways I think this is where Europe has a unique opportunity to also get the digital sovereignty right. Of course, in my view, that should happen together with with the United States. I do think we share a similar approach to, to the way we look at societies. And ultimately, this is about also defending I would argue that our democracies and besides societies we build over the last decades. You know, it's interesting. We had Roberto Viola here there in early in January, talking about digital sovereignty too. And, you know, there is, there isn't a common view of what that is but he kind of summed it up. I think you might be happy with it about empowerment and resilience that it gives you the empowerment to do things and the resilience to go with your values, your, your trust and so on. So I think maybe there is a change coming in that tension between regulation and innovation and making technology such a central part of of who Europe is and what we're doing. There's an interesting question here, if I can go to from from the Department of finance finance retired he says, does Casper agree that even if supplied by commercial interest broadband is now a public good and should be regulated again accordingly and universally provided. What are the obstacles here. Yeah. First of all, I'm happy that the robot to set something along those lines and just a final remark. Discussion. I think Commissioner Vista Agar, who is, of course, the executive vice president of European Commission have have said publicly that in her view, digital sovereignty is very much about regulatory sovereignty in other words, the ability of the European Union to set its independent of other interests. And I think that's the control dimension of sovereignty notion. And again, you know I'm a European, I get that I think it's, it's necessary I think it's fair. And I think for us in the industry. That is the starting point also when we engage, hopefully constructively discussing how do you get, you know the digital markets act or the data governance act or the digital services, right. But if you do that with a starting point where you say, we get why you're doing this. There is an issue with with gatekeepers there is an issue with with safety online. And, and sometimes that requires us to do things that are difficult or complex or expensive. But, but if it's doing the right thing, then I think that's the kind of partnership we would like with with Europe across across the board, then coming back to the question from the retired gentlemen. I wasn't too retired Casper but that's what he describes and sounds fast. It's interesting this discussion about public goods, because it actually goes back to to the high level panel on digital cooperation that the United Nations Secretary General established a couple of years ago and it was one of the communications coming out of the report saying, there are certain public goods that that we can compare with other public goods and in broadband connectivity was certainly among among those. So, so I think the short answer and I'm sure there's complexities around this is that, you know, investing in connectivity in broadband is going to be, you know, one of the key challenges of our time. We're on the board of a of a small company called Blue Town, and, and what they do is to try and connect the unconnected and they're focusing on developing economies very heavily engaged in Ghana and Africa, where they're trying to establish basically sort of expanded Wi Fi hotspots in in in rural villages, which means that the schools can get online, you can sort of serve the broader community also with access to basic health care, etc. And again, I think it just shows that, I think all of us have a responsibility in making sure that we make those investments, and that we also make it in a way where we get the last three and a half billion people online. If you want a cynical version of enjoys sitting here in Europe. I think the migration crisis that we saw a couple of years ago. And in many ways that was driven by perhaps, you know, poverty or escaping from conflicts, etc. I think we have to recognize that not having access to broadband today is what sets you apart. And will you have the possibility to have a job in the future or not in some extent in many areas in many states that will depend on your your connectivity so I think the short answers. We have to make sure that we increasingly treat connectivity as a public good. And whether we regulate it in such a way is perhaps, you know, you require a bit more insights than than I do, but I think the overall approach is clear. Yes, and I suppose you've shown by example Microsoft has, as you said worked with people I know in Ireland here. There are a number of initiatives you've taken around broadband. And it is one that everybody agrees should happen. So it's actually working together again isn't it with the public and private sector to ensure that can happen in a way that's positive and inclusive to all all people in in society. And that's particularly critical. And the question here from Ashton and Kelly, from the Office of the DPP. And can you current regulatory response from various EU member states to online state safety, the example in Germany and France, and whether Microsoft would prefer a pan European response, which would require a change in law, rather than a more fragmented approach. I think she almost gave the answer herself. I think, you know, I'm a very big believer in the European Union, and therefore I'm probably also more on the side that I think Europe wide regulation in general is not a bad thing and I think it makes it raises sort of the I think we've seen the same on the environmental policies we've seen the same on sustainability policies so I think our general response would be, we will comply with all national regulations, completely, whether they're national whether the European level, is the most fast to work together with with the European institutions and have this kind of multi-stakeholder dialogue where we try and provide our insights. You know, we make available what we think is going to come in terms of new technology developments where we have challenges and, and, you know, complexities inside I think that is of course where where the European Union provides some some opportunities in terms of the size of Microsoft. Thanks for that, Casper. There's another question from Adrian Weckler who's from the Irish independent. What specific issues should Ireland be louder on at a European level. What are the barriers, the biggest barriers to European tech. Big question. I think it would be, you know, very inappropriate for me to refer to the conversations we've had with ministers over the last couple of days but I'll give it a shot at least trying to be a bit generic. And then Katrina and Kiran from from our office in Ireland can can kick me virtually under the table in the next couple of minutes. I do think that this range of the balance of power in Europe, if you like, with due to Brexit, it has had an impact. And again, I think when you look at the countries that we normally call the digital nine plus countries so the most digitalized countries in the European Union, traditionally the most most forward leaning tradition the ones that have been arguing for, you know, like regulation rather than heavy regulation. I think those countries have become a little bit more vocal, a little less vocal sorry in in Europe over the last perhaps 12 months to 24 months. And, and again speaking both as a European but of course also in the job that I have. And I think we want to make sure that those discussions taking into account various views across Europe. Those discussions are at the core of what is happening in Brussels, including when you're discussing the regulatory framework coming forward. But I also wanted to mention one specific initiative and that is the guy x initiative, which is about creating a federated cloud in Europe so it's very much about intro probability, making sure that customers can choose between different providers and yes we are of course one of the main providers of cloud technology in Europe. I think that's a discussion where, you know what originated in Germany then became sort of a Franco German initiative now it's reaching the European Union level. And getting that project right, and we've been a supporter from day one we've been a member of guys from day one. But of course, it, in our view that requires a lot of different voices and a lot of different experiences and I do want to again point out to I think a fairly unique situation that island is in because of the massive presence of technology companies because of the focus on the government on on on digitalization and then lastly, also because of the strong transatlantic I think island has the opportunity to play a really critical role in getting this right to the benefit of island. I think that's important to say as well, but also to the benefit of European Union and you know, all of us including myself that I would consider citizen in Europe. I mean, in a way, and thank you for that Casper this guy X project does that demonstrate how Europe can pursue digital sovereignty at the same time as digital openness do you think that is a good example of that. Dual approach of being open and yet looking at the autonomy and sovereignty and empowerment of Member States. Yeah, well, I think that should certainly be the aspiration. I mean, again, I think the idea is to create a market also for for cloud technology. And again, I just want to what do you what do you want that well it's because the cloud offers unprecedented opportunities and by the way, if I may just add this choice. I think there is a misconception that the cloud has bigger benefits for bigger enterprises when in fact we know that small and medium sized enterprises are the ones that benefits the most from going out because of efficiency opportunities but also because of access to technologies. Almost regardless of what what area that you in. And by the way, then you get better cyber security and it's also more sustainable solution than it is to have on premise servers in your in your basement. And, but I do think that, you know, moving forward with an ambitious plan of going to the cloud is very much also what the guys project is about and needless to say, that's something we embracing your whole heart. And combine that with the data governance act, which is another piece of regulation coming forward which is very much focused on the opportunities around data. And I think what is what is fantastic about those two projects in combination is that it really focuses focuses on the opportunity data. Not only the challenges and where we have to be very very cautious and there are areas where we have to be cautious because of the sensitivities of the data sets. And also about acknowledging that the data driven economy holds enormous potential, not based in a European context where we have, I think, you know, worldwide unique data sets, historic data sets that are sent to non on the global state. So I think the guy ex the data governance act. What we're seeing in many of the regulations coming up forward is very much also push of saying, we have to move in this direction, we have to take full benefit of what what the what the digital economy will bring up bring about. And for all companies, and I would say all governments, having a digitalization strategy is going to be absolutely critical for us in the next couple of years so I think we get the guy project I do think it's an operational operational way of looking at a digital sovereignty, we just want to make sure that that sovereignty will still make it possible for companies including Microsoft to participate and contribute to the economy of Europe by providing responsible technology that lifts up the high standards. Thank you Casper and I have a question here from Seamus Allen from the IAEA. And you discussed earlier the importance of trustworthy technology in fact it was a team all the way through your presentation. And the EU is due to release its proposals for trustworthy AI in April. What are your thoughts on establishing trustworthy AI, and the EU is thinking of the issue so far. Yeah, I think we know a little bit about what's coming because the EU launched a white paper a year ago, that sort of gave the indications of where the European Union might move on this one. And you know it's interesting including for companies like Microsoft because of course we believe that AI pulls again unprecedented potential unprecedented opportunities and identifying patterns and helping us, you know solve some of the global issues by the way including sustainability where we believe that AI is going to be one of the main game changers in looking ahead in the next couple of decades. But there are also areas where we have to be careful and cautious. And those are areas where it could have a huge impact on your fundamental rights, or it could create biases and decision making. And I think we've been among the first companies to say that facial recognition technology based in AI is a good example of technology that we really need to make sure that we have the proper regulations around to make sure that it cannot be misused by by anybody. So what we like about what we think will be in the draft regulation is a distinction between what I would say, what are we called sort of high risk applications of AI and non high risk applications of AI. It's a choice if you're probably a better person than I am but if you theoretically tonight would go home and would like to watch Netflix movie, you know, there will be AI providing some suggestions for you, and, and I will probably call those suggestions, you know, not really high risk application of AI. But there might be other examples where application of AI could have a fairly dramatic impact on on you as a citizen and your fundamental rights and those are the areas where we have to double down, and make sure that we have a very clear set of guardrails in defending, you know, the fundamental rights so so I think that's what we're hoping to have come out of the other proposal, but at the same time also making sure that AI is not seen as as an enemy or risk but rather as an enormous opportunity not least in a place like Europe. Last but unfortunately, we could keep you here for much longer, but time has caught up with us. So thank you very much for your presentation I think you made a number of really key points, one of which I think we've heard loud and clear about the voice of Ireland. And thank you for that confidence that you feel that we can have that voice and the importance of strategy to ensure that that will happen. Also, the emphasis on trust and values and, and appropriate rules to help us negotiate through the very, I suppose, challenging areas of technology that we don't fully understand as yet but are going to make such a difference to our lives, which it clearly showed on three areas at least as sustainability cyber security, David privacy, what can be done both in a sustainable but also for tech policy. We would have loved to talk to you about other areas like skills because I know you're very, very interested in that. But thank you very much again, and I'm sure we will invite you back. Hopefully, things will be better, and we can invite you in person to Dublin so thank you very much again. Casper that was really very important to us and an excellent presentation. Thank you very much.