Hey, everybody. This is Christian Buckley doing another MVP buzz chat. I'm talking today with David. Hello. Hi, pleased to be here. Thanks for inviting me. So David, for folks that don't know you, who are you? Where are you? And what do you do? Okay, so David Musgrave. I'm based in Perth, Western Australia. I am an MVP for business solutions. In particular, the Microsoft Dynamics GP product. And I've been an MVP since 2015. That was basically I had to wait a year after I left Microsoft before I could gain MVP status. Yep. Now I know that that's not always true. I've known a couple of people that left and very quickly got moved in. But I think that the practice is generally that it's a year. That's what I was told when I left Microsoft as well. Yes. I got told that there was a lot of calls for me to become an MVP because before I left Microsoft while I was still there, I was treated as an MVP. I was an honorary MVP with the with the MVPs and with everybody else. And when I left Microsoft, people called for me to be an MVP and it basically came back that it's based on my last 12 months of activity in the community and therefore I have to be out of Microsoft for 12 months. Yeah. So what's your focus area? So, well, basically I write add-on products for Microsoft Dynamics GP and I've been involved with the Great Plains product since about 94. Yeah. I remember when so when that acquisition was discussed when all that happened and teams started to and I worked with one team that sent people up to do some interaction with the product teams up in North Dakota. I still have never, it's one of the five states in the U.S. that I've never been to because other than, since I'm no longer with Microsoft, other than visiting the Dynamics teams up in region, there was never any other reason to go there. There's probably only two reasons to go to Fargo. Actually, I know I'll make it three. The people are lovely. So I have always loved going up to Fargo and catching up with the team. I have a lot of good friends there that were Great Plains or Microsoft employees or still are. But pretty well, I suppose there's another reason is there's a university. There's a university there. If you're involved in farming, they often have a lot of farming conferences up there because this is the Great Plains and there's a lot of farming related things. And then it's the second largest Microsoft campus now. So outside of Redmond, it's the biggest campus. I didn't realize that. Wow. Yeah. And they have a lot of other stuff there that is not Great Plains. I know they have a lot of office team teams there now and they have other business solution teams there as well for AX or FNO. And there's also sales and a lot of the partner support like the tele support for the tele-managed partners like those folks are out of that region as well. I know that they have phone teams there. Yeah. So I'm not exactly sure. I do know that some of it is related to office. Sorry, don't call it office anymore. Microsoft 365. You've got to get your branding changes. I'm not quite sure why they did that one though. I don't know either. Yeah. So I see events that started to incorporate the new logo with the Microsoft 365 logo as well. So like I was kind of fond of the office logo. I've got the, I have the black t-shirt with the white lettering says step into my and it has the office symbol. It was a great t-shirt. Well, I have a top from would have been from about 94, 95 that is says Great Plains and then Dynamics. So if anybody wants to know where the Dynamics name came from, it was all belong to Great Plains. And I quite will quite proudly wore that when they announced the Dynamics name. I visited the Sydney office and I wore that top just to annoy all the vision and exact to people that were in the office. Yeah, great. Yeah, going from for folks that haven't been to Perth have been Perth is so I've been twice out there for business and have some friends in the in the regions. And at one time I had I stayed over the weekend. It's one of those it's it. I believe it's like the most remote big city in the world. Yeah. And it's beautiful and I love we go up. I know what the park is where you get this park and all that right. It's just amazing there. But I was so I basically, you know, they're over the weekend meetings on Monday and Tuesday before flying back out. There's nothing going on on the weekends in Perth.  Yeah, it's probably better now but Perth can be quite quiet. It's it's there is stuff going on and there is stuff to do. But the the central business district of CBD probably shuts down a lot. You'd have to go to some of the more active areas on the weekend or evenings. I think it was a mistake as I was downtown and I didn't have a car. You could have walked to North Bridge, which is just north of the CBD and they would have been a bit bit of action up there. So, you know, that's where the nightclubs and the restaurants and stuff are so that, you know, there is there is things happening but Perth, you know, it's not it's a smaller city. It's not as going to be as active of something like Sydney but then you don't live in a concrete jungle either. Right. So, beautiful out there. So it is US so I'm used to, you know, you know, hot dry climates and I live in right now and I'm in Salt Lake City area so it's it's upper desert. And so like flying in and some of the places that I went out there's just beautiful love that. But yeah Perth can get really dry as well I mean it never gets free it below zero it never gets below freezing. I gotta be careful when I say that because for some reason you guys in the US user of a weird scale for temperature 32. That's I know what I know it I'm just teasing. I just it's like they're there as far as I know there's only three countries in the world that haven't don't use the metric system. And as far as I know they're all third world countries. So the. We get it never gets that cold, but it does get quite warm we we hit 40 which is about 100 I think in Fahrenheit. Quite often you can get in the summer. So we get quite dry but you mentioned Kings Park Kings Park is great because it's up on a hill and you've got a view across to the central business district, but also to south Perth. And basically the Perth is situated around the Swan River which is actually a flooded estuary. So it's a huge expanse of inland water and we have a lot of skiing and jet skiing and sailing and kayaking and all kinds of water sports and and there's cycle paths all around the river. It is a great city to live in and and just a great place to bring a family up. Yep. Well, what kind of so we kind of talked a little bit already about your path to becoming an MVP as far as after leaving Microsoft but what was what were the kinds of activities that you're involved in I always like to ask. There's always patterns of course with the MVPs brought those things but what was it that kind of that you the things that you did in the community to get involved. So, for those of you who don't know me I should go back a little bit in time but I've been involved with the the Great Plains now Dynamics GP products since about 94. I worked with a company called sequel technology for five years and about 90 from 94 to 99. And then I created Winthrop development consultants or Winthrop dexterity consultants, which was my business I ran that for two years and eventually I was writing I was being a developer and writing add-ons for GP. And then I sold my products to some to Microsoft some to another ISV and I was employed by Microsoft. And I, you know, when when the Australian GST came in I wrote as a consultant I wrote all of the specific handling for the GST and Microsoft employed me to look after that, as well as the other products the security related products that they purchased from me. So, I spent 14 years without a soul working at Microsoft. I was come back. I, by the time I was made redundant. My, I was ready for a change anyway and I'd already planned that I would restart my old business rebranded as development consultants I didn't have to explain what dexterity was being the programming language behind GP for those who don't know. I, while I was probably was mainly like I was always quite involved with forums and answering questions. And even before I joined Microsoft, I was, I went to the conferences and I presented some development techniques I actually worked a cross dictionary development technique out before it was even supported by the product. I didn't have a hack but it worked and it actually opened up a way for ISVs to write code that could work with other ISVs products. And so I presented that at conference sessions for then when I was with Microsoft for a while, I wasn't allowed to go to conferences because it didn't actually fit in with my role, as far as my management was concerned. So basically the Fargo team asked my management, can we have David come over and present for us. And I'm so glad that they did because that basically started my journey to become an MVP. Because then I started coming over and presenting and my sessions were the most popular sessions at that conference. So I got invited back. So then I was started seeing the community again and not just being hidden away in Australia. And I answered forums. And while I was at one of these conferences, I was taking a session on, it was actually, I was a student being taught some development techniques with Visual Studio working with GP. And during that session, the guy who was doing it had a blog and every now and then if something came up, he would just make a note to himself to blog something. And I had always said I didn't want to be able to do a blog. No one is interested in what I ate for breakfast. But then I saw the difference between a diary sort of blog and a technical blog. And that opened my eyes. And it was actually after that conference because what I used to do is I used to have, you know, some articles and I used to continuously or answers written in. It was actually a notepad, but I would go look up these answers and repost them on forums all the time and say the same things all the time. And so then sort of the light bulb went off and it was like, if I write that as a blog, I can now point people to the blog and just on the forum just say go have a look at this article. I think it answers your problem. And so suddenly I entered the world of blogging and, you know, it's quite a lot of work to write blogs, but the, you know, it's rewarding to see people get the answers they need. And when I go to conferences now, I get thank yous and acknowledgement from people saying that I've saved their bacon, which, you know, is wonderful. I go to conferences to grow my head size. So, you know, make it home, just get it get my head back into the plane and and that sort of lasts me another year knowing that what I'm doing is making a difference. So it basically ended up forums blogging presenting. And that was what was getting me noticed. So, and I was doing that while I was at Microsoft. It wasn't part of my role. And I got hassled by my management for doing this. And in fact, I also wrote some tools to to help the support team which then got released publicly and the community love these tools. And my management was saying you're spending too much time doing this stuff. But they didn't really have a leg to stand on because my team was meeting and exceeding goals all the time. So, you know, as long as I could make sure that my team kept doing what they had to do and I kept doing what we had to do. It basically meant that I could keep doing what I was doing. But a lot of it had to be done in my own time because management didn't back me up. That, you know, I so I've my blog has been going I launched it in spring of 2004. I've changed from tight pad over to WordPress and I've got it now host on Azure and thank you MVP credits for paying for everything.  Exactly. And so because I've always used it as a way to catalog like reading business and technical books and other interesting technologies and things that I would go and add in so it was a almost an extension of my memory, you know, by capturing that there. And a lot of what I do you brought up that point to but how you're you take notes on questions that are answers like the. So I do the same thing I now use one note to capture all that so I'll have all of my ideas and I'll jot down a few different notes I'll put a link to hey this this talk by this person this conference, they said these things and, you know, go check out their profile and get more information. So I'll go and capture all those things in one note. Then when I go back in looking what do I want to write about here and, and I'll find these pieces and be like oh yeah that's right I wanted to write about this and this problem that we, I had an idea for this. And of course I've also got the in addition to the one note I'm still old school have my spiral. It's a little difficult to get to but I do have a notepad with scribbles on it of things to remind me to and I just cross them off as I get them done. I do the same thing everything has. The, your one note list I bet you it's it grows quicker than you can, then you can write. It's very quick. And it's well that's one of the things that I do when I write one of the first things I always do and those that have seen these. I've mentioned this a number of times but I will often search first like researching to my own notes, like if I talked about it if I written about it because the other thing I do is I write my, my articles my blog posts all within one note. And when they're published, I'll usually remember to put the URL for the published article, but then I'll archive that so it's all still in one note. So I can go and search on my past writings as well as what's not yet been written just my notes and find pieces and because you know how writing is. Sometimes you have a complete thought, and you sit there you can just pound it out get that article out there, completely capture everything. Other times you have a few different thoughts, and it's best to not try to force it, but just walk away from it come back when you have some other thoughts about that thing and one note is filled with those partial thoughts. So it's great to be able to capture it and have that place and it's in the cloud so I can access that whether I'm on the road or at home. And, and often I'll go and I'll find pieces and I'll be like I completely forgot that I had written on a topic that I'm now interested in, in writing about, and so I can leverage those other notes, it's been a great resource for me. Yeah, I suppose my my writings are focused on GP tricks and development skill things that I've learned. They're focused on stuff related to my product range and one of my products has development capabilities so I've published lots of samples of the things that you can do with it then people can download those for free if they've got my tools. And then the other thing that gets covered is my hobbies. So, I did want to copy the couple minutes we have left we have to have to share I so we were talking before we hit record so I'm aware of what's happening here but so talk about your hobbies. Okay, so I mean I, I used to DJ, but that doesn't happen very much but if you were to come to my house I have got lighting lasers and lights and smoke machine and all kinds of fun stuff like that. Did we even get into that because that was we didn't get into that one because I've got a huge massive music collection so I, I have 120 kilos of vinyl in six boxes, all dance 12 inch remixes. And I have, I have SL 1200 guys so it's all dance I used to DJ so see. Yeah, I have SL 1200 turntables and a mixer. But I do it all digitally now I've got virtual DJ and a USB deck that allows me to do all the scratching and stuff so I don't have to try and try and scratch with a mouse it doesn't work. So but the yeah that doesn't happen all that often now. But what what I'm the other things I'm involved with is robotics. So my kids got involved with the robotics club at school. And that was involved in entering a competition called RoboCup Junior. So the Australian branch of that so there is RoboCup Junior in the US. And basically as a parent or mentor, you're not allowed to do anything. You can give ideas but there's no doing you can you know you're not allowed to touch. And so I a lot of the robots were built with Lego Mindstorms and so I ended up buying my own Lego Mindstorms set so I could play with my ideas. I've always loved Lego. I have Lego models in upstairs that I built when I was 15 that I have never taken apart. And so this gave me a chance to combine my love of Lego and my love of programming to create autonomous robots. And the robots have to perform various challenges in the RoboCup competition. I can't compete. It's only for school age kids from primary and secondary age kids. But by me playing with my own robots and trying to do the challenges, it means that I can mentor. And even though my kids are well and truly grown up and finish uni and in the workforce, I still mentor for the school that they went to. And we can show you some of the robots. I did go grab them. So I'll show you these two very quickly. These are actually sumo bots. So this is not for RoboCup as such. This is what we start our kids with. And it's basically they don't need to do any programming because the code's already in the brick for them. But they just need to build a robot that has to push another robot out of a circle as a sumo competition. And that's just a really good way to get the kids introduced to the robotics club having some fun and basically get their interest peaked. So we do that for the first few terms. And then after that they shift into doing actual RoboCup, which it can either be rescue or on stage, which is dancing robots. We don't actually do the soccer robots, even though there is a soccer competition as well. So but the robots. So this is using one of the newer Lego spike mine storms kits. But this is a line following robots. So we can see light sensors to follow the line. It's got a touch sensor so it can see if there's an obstacle directly in front. And once it gets to the rescue zone, it needs to have users ultrasonic to locate the victim, which is a soft drink can. And then it has the claw that can come over and then drag the can out of the danger zone. So that that's so but then we can go on so that this one is a little bit more complex. So a lot of similarities still has such touch sensors, but they they're floating so they can go over bumps. This one again has an ultrasonic sensor and a touch sensor. The claw mechanism on this one though is more interesting because just see if we can show you sideways. It is designed to be able to actually grab the can and lift it up and place it on a block which is a requirement of the open division of the competition. So and this one is created with an EV3 Mindstorms brick. So I've got a tractor robot similar sort of design. This has got tracks and it's got a spring loaded and you've got sort of you can see these guys sort of swivel to be able to go over rough surfaces. It has a claw mechanism which also can do the lifting. And this one actually it does have on the back even though it's on that way. It does have on the back a claw sorry a sensor so that this is going to lift in a second there. There we go. But this sensor on the back it's not part of the actual robot for the competition. But if I turn it round and turn it up and I pull this guy off, I have a little remote control and I can actually drive this guy around as remote control. But that's not allowed in the competition because in the competition everything has to be autonomous. But it just gave me it was like a little bit more programming when it's in standby. I can drive it around like a remote control car. So I think I'll show you one last one. This one is there's a video of this on YouTube because this is using mechanism wheels. So I don't know if you can see but the wheels themselves are made up of rollers at 45 degrees. This robot can move in any direction so it can it can rotate it can move sideways it can basically move in any direction. And I wrote a test for it which is what you see running on the YouTube video of it pretty well being a dancing robot because it can just move anyway at once. But this one was created for the maze competition where you're not following a line but a following walls and locating victims and it has a sensor array with ultrasonic heat and an optical camera. So this is getting a little bit more complex. So this is probably about $1200 worth of Lego. Wow. So it's it's a lot of fun. I know there's a few people like I'm over in the as originally a SharePoint MVP and there's a there's a few folks over in and this side of the MVP world that are really into Legos and robotics and and just a few of those things. And I know that's been a lot of money. There's a gentleman who's an MVP called Lars Clint and he he has an amazing Lego collection that he has posted videos on. And he has a whole room dedicated to Lego in our new house. I wasn't able to do that. That would have pushed the the marital boundaries a little too far. Yeah, I've already I'm my wife is constantly accusing me of being a hoarder. And I'm just like look I'm in a small space. I collect music. I have music instruments as well. And so she's like well you have to pick one and we move to the new beautiful place you're not going to bring all that's not fair. Yeah, how many kids have you got four but they're all gone they're all adults. Okay, you'll have to tell her that's like asking her when the kids were at home to choose one and leave the other three behind. I know. That's just not that's not fair. Yeah, which is why it's why I'm relegated to the basement now so it's contained all in one space but yeah. So I do have also this is a remote control toy. So this one's not autonomous it's got no no programming on it but it's remote control car with four wheel drive four wheel steering for the independent suspension. That's right. Yeah, it was why not right. So yeah, I don't actually have that much in the way of just general Lego models most of my models that I have related to robots. Or in this case I wanted to try some remote control cars, you drive them with the phone. So they're good fun. Yeah, good fun. Well, David really appreciate your ticket the time today and showing us some of your so your robots and but this also a picture of of your MVP experience for folks that want to get in touch or reach out to you what are the best ways to reach you. Well on Twitter I'm Winthrop DC. On. If you search my name David Musgrave you'll find me anywhere. My email address is just David at Winthrop DC dot com. I'm my blog, Winthrop DC dot com slash blog. Yeah, it's, it's all very easy to find me. I'm.  Yep, of course. Well, David, thanks so much for your time and and I know that we're not we're I think we're another year of virtual MVP summit again but you know, I want world soon. Yeah, I would love to come to MVP summit I just need to be able to justify expensive trips I my trip to community summit this year cost me $9,000 in flights. So that's yep. Yeah, that's just ridiculous community guide to do that so yeah and I wasn't flying business or first you know. Well thanks so much for your time David. All right.


And welcome to my Aloha Friday, Stan Energy Man here on Think Tech Hawaii. And we have a great guest today that I've been looking forward to having on the show for a long time. I'm really excited about what he's got going on the mainland and what he'd like to do here in Hawaii. But before we get started with our guest, I want to just throw out some thanks to the folks who put together the city's sustainability get together at the Blaisdale yesterday, to Mayor Caldwell and all the folks that put that together. It was a great event and I hope it turns into a good thing for our island here on Oahu to get us clean and green and sustainable. But today our guest is Trevor Milton from Nicola Motor Company. And I saw a press release and a video probably a few months ago. And I just got so jazzed. In the meantime, I went on his website and looked at what he's building. And that's what we're going to talk about today is big trucks, big, big trucks where hydrogen makes a lot of sense. So Trevor, welcome to the show. I'm so glad to have you on. I think you could thank you for joining us on Skype. I wish you were here in person, but maybe we'll get you out here in person too a little bit later. Yeah, for sure. Thanks for having me and be a lot of fun to be there in person as well next time for sure. And I know the weather's nice over there too, but it's better here. But start off, let's hear a little bit about how you got started with this pretty ambitious dream and and what background you have to kind of make this all come about. Yeah, so primarily pretty much Nicola Motor Company. We design and build electric semi trucks. So this would be Class A heavy duty semi trucks. Ever since I was a kid, my dad used to run and manage the Union Pacific railroad in Las Vegas, Nevada. So I grew up driving locomotives and I always wanted to build a locomotive semi truck. So ever since I was about six, seven, eight years old, I had the chance to be able to be in locomotives and see the power and performance of electric electric motors. And I knew that at that time that was kind of my dream. And so it took a long time, took about, you know, 30 years or 25 years to get to the point where we had that I had enough resources, enough experience and a background and technology had advanced enough for us to be able to build a fully electric zero emission semi truck that was not limited by a range like battery only is. So give us an idea of, you know, your system, the vehicle itself, because I understand it carries around 100 kilograms of hydrogen as a range of about 1200 miles. So give us those kind of statistics and tell us what's unique about your tractor trailer rig that's different than even a diesel rig, performance wise, comfort wise, driving wise. Yeah, across the board, I mean, it's better in every category. This is the first time in history electric vehicles have actually been able to surpass a diesel in every category. So when I say every category, that means cost, emissions, price and features. Every one of those, those are, that's the cost to drive. I mean, the cost of doing business and also the price of the truck. So across the board now, the electric drivetrain with hydrogen allows you to be more cost competitive than a diesel vehicle. And most importantly to us obviously is getting rid of all the pollutants and the emissions associated with diesel trucks as they're the worst. They essentially create more problems in the atmosphere and for the health than all the cars out there.  So what we did is we, this truck primarily has a pretty big battery bank on it, but it's not like what you would see with a Tesla, like a Tesla car, the Tesla truck that Elon's talking about. This is about 240 to 300 kilowatt hours of lithium. So it's about two to three times the size of a Tesla car for the battery. But then it has a very large hydrogen fuel cell range extender on board. That hydrogen allows your truck to go from about 200 miles, which is battery only up to about 800 to 1200 miles depending on the terrain. So you can drive zero emission, more horsepower, more torque, nearly silent and go for more miles than a diesel can go for without stopping. So 800 to 1200 miles without any emissions, which is obviously was our goal. And I know that the actual cab design is, and I have an aviation background. So I looked at your cab design. It looks more like an aircraft cockpit than a regular truck. Yeah, it's all about a panoramic view for the driver. You know, driver turnover rate in America is the number one problem in trucking right now. They cannot keep drivers. So what we did is we came in and we decided we were going to build a truck that was not only gorgeous looking, but had an interior cab of 30% bigger than any other diesel while still maintaining the same height and width dimensions that are regulatory. So now inside the Nikola one truck, you can actually look inside of there and you got panoramic views all the way around you from essentially 180 degrees from your left to your right and allows you to see the road. You got better visibility of the road in the sky than any other diesel. And it looks very similar to a bullet train from the outside, but it looks like an airplane cockpit from the inside. So it's very, very similar to what you were just saying. And then you also augment it with some cameras on the outside as well and some sensors, correct? We do. It'll come out of the factory full level for autonomy. It'll be the only truck ever built in history with coming out of the factory ready for autonomy control. So this will be, you'll have more than a dozen cameras all the way around it, high definition cameras and more than a dozen radar and LIDAR all the way around as well. So that'll help you see it in bad weather. It can help you stop your truck. It can lane assist. It can prevent you from departing your lane and it can actually be fully autonomously driven as well. So that'll come straight out of the factory. So that would appeal not just to the drivers but to the vehicles around the drivers. I was driving from Las Vegas to Phoenix not last year sometime and it was pretty early in the morning. It was about 4.30 in the morning. I was trying to get there before a meeting and I had a flatbed trailer almost roll his back wheels over me trying to change lanes and he just never looked and your your system would would stop any of that stuff from happening. So it's actually improving the safety all around for the people around your trucks and and the drivers themselves. Yeah, safety was a big aspect of our truck. I mean with our with our electric motors on every wheel, much like a locomotive, we can stop faster than a diesel. We can also prevent the truck from moving if there's a car in the way and with the camera and radar and LiDAR systems. You can do that and right now if a driver doesn't see it, he'll just either run you over or run you off the road or you'll have to hit your brakes because you know you went through that. That was your experience. I had to buy I just missed his back tires and I had the back of his trailer go over my hood because I slammed on the brakes so hard. So fortunate for me, they I just tapped them a couple times hard and didn't lock up but I'm there with you. And also your cab also has a lot of great comfort features for you know these drivers are on the road a long time. They got to rest up and eat and things like that. So what are the things in the rest of the cab behind the driver? Yeah, you've got the only truck coming out on the market with a full size commercial like residential refrigerator and microwave. So the number one cost of drivers right now besides steel is their food. So they've all asked for larger fridges and in the other trucks, there's just no room in diesels. So we are able to give them a full size 12 cubic refrigerator and microwave and freezer and that allows them to take food on the road for up to one to two weeks and I have to not have to buy expensive food on the road. So that's one advantage and then obviously the most important thing when you think about that the interior comfort of a truck is that is the sleeping situations and our bed is full size bed. It's 12 inches wider than any other production bed on the market. So it's all about driver comfort, the ability to to recruit drivers to drive and once they drive our truck, they'll never be able to go back to a diesel. Yeah, we didn't bring any graphics or anything on this end, but I know folks can go to your website. In fact, if you just Google Nicola one, you can find the that a lot of the material that you folks have out for advertising and and videos and things like that for folks to look at it. But it is a beautiful truck performs really well and it's a real truck.  It's a real truck that people have climbed inside and it moves around. So you've got the real thing and it looks great and has great performance and great potential. Like you say, everything that you're looking for from price to safety, it's it's there and it's it looks like it's it's well worth companies taking seriously just to integrate into their businesses, particularly over there on the continental US where long haul trucking is such a huge part of our our nation's infrastructure. Yeah, it's it's it's all about price to the bottom line and the fact that it's zero emissions.  What kind of impact is it going to have on the environment? Also, what's the cost? Because they can't increase their cost and help the environment because it would put about a business. So that's why this truck is so exciting because these companies can come into a zero emission truck and still cut their cost by twenty five to thirty percent compared to a diesel every month. So that's those savings are absolutely massive in the industry. They've never been seen that big before. So this is a pretty big a really fun thing to see happen. Yeah, especially for fleets that are changing now because now you have tier four emission controls on diesels. That's going to drive the price up even on your hardware. And again, if you're just band-aiding the pollution piece. So, you know, you've got the great process there. Can you tell us a little bit about the infrastructure that goes along with your trucks here in Hawaii? We actually have a direct connect to Toyota Japan and the local Toyota dealers actually have some rise on Island, but they had to build their own station because we so we call it bringing the chicken and the egg.  Yeah, so what we do is we actually come in and provide the hydrogen station. And when someone buys their truck, they pay nothing for fuel that hydrogen for a full million miles. So their overall cost per month when everything is factored in is about 25 to 30% savings compared to a diesel. And we provide the hydrogen station. So for instance, I think you guys are out on a lot of my father's house in Maui. So if we came over to Hawaii, what we would do is we put up putting hydrogen station on all the main islands out there and allow the trucks to actually fill up there and then they can deliver goods all over the island and not create any pollution whatsoever. And that's the great thing about hydrogen is we can use all the excess energy at night time from like wind and solar throughout the day and other forms. And we can create the hydrogen and all it is is just electricity and water creating hydrogen. So there's no byproduct. It's an indefinite use of energy that never goes away as long as you have sunlight to create the sun or wind to create the energy. So was I dreaming or was that an offer to put our first station over here? It's what we're going to do is it's all based upon the trucks that we have on order. So you bet you once we come into the the islands of Hawaii over there we're going to we'll be putting in stations at most of the the main Hawaii islands which we're really excited about. Okay. So I guess I better drum up some business for you. And I can as a state employee I can do that and not charge anything. So I'll do that and try and get some of those truck drivers and those owners getting these vehicles on the road out here because as you know Hawaii is very environmentally conscious. We have a high dependence on fossil fuel now and we haven't done as much as we should on the transportation side to reduce our footprint our fossil fuel footprint. So this would be a great step forward for us. You know, fleet vehicles are the way to really make a big impact and commercial fleet vehicles would be awesome. Yeah, even power production I mean the fact that we have hydrogen is one of the best ways to store energy because it has no life cycle to it so you can store it forever and decently. So a lot of the hotels and stuff we've actually had some of them call out reach out and ask us about could you get our hotel 100% off the grid to be zero emission. And that way if the storm blew in and blew down the power lines it wouldn't matter they're still off grid they're running off of zero emission hydrogen power and it's really incredible we're not trying to we're not trying to effect the power companies we're just trying to bring zero emission energy to people that want it. You're starting to sound just like me. We actually took delivery of two hydrogen fuel cell light cards from GTM Luxembourg yesterday and the state's going to own them and we're going to actually put them out there during events and things and let people see hydrogen power at work quiet clean only water coming out the exhaust to produce exterior lighting for events and we have two generators coming in from GTM as well probably in about another month and the gem vehicle we drove over here in a little little Polaris electric vehicle we have some students converting that putting in a fuel a range extender with a fuel cell this summer next month. That's cool. So what is the leasing kind of model that you're looking at? Pretty much what we do is we charge it per mile rate. So it's about it can range we're working on those pricing right now but it'll be about 30% less than a diesel per mile operate so what we're trying to do is build up a model where people can just pay per paper mile that they drive the truck and that way they're not worried about these payments every month it's just however many miles they drive they pay for and there's a certain minimum that they have to hit but other than that it's about 80,000 miles a year so as long as they hit those numbers and they're driving the truck you know sometimes then they'll be able to meet their meet their minimums and they're only paying for the miles that they use and it's a really great business plan about how we provide it for the drivers and also for us we're able to we're able to get customers into a long-term agreement with us for once they're with us they'll never want to leave so it's all about giving these really there's really nice equipment that would normally cost a lot more money at a reduced price below diesels and that's our that's our goal that's awesome we're going to take a quick break here and we'll be back in 60 seconds to spend some more time with Trevor and get a little bit more into detail on how his his system works and how it might apply here in Hawaii we make responsible decisions while we cheer on our heroes and toast their success elevate your match day experience if you drink never drive Aloha my name is Stephen Philip Katz I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist and I'm the host of Shrink Rap Hawaii where I talk to other shrinks did you ever want to get your head shrunk well this is the best place to come to pick one I've been doing this we must have 60 shows with a whole bunch of shrinks that you can look at I'm here on Tuesdays at 3 o'clock every other Tuesday I hope you are too Aloha hey welcome back to my lunch hour Stan Osterman Stan the energy man here coming to you from beautiful downtown Honolulu with Trevor Milton from Nicola Motor Company and we're talking about a really exciting upcoming business that he's got started and now maybe what it means to Hawaii so Trevor you know on the big island of Hawaii we actually have big trucks moving freight and stuff over a big island I mean we call the big island because it's a big island and it's a great opportunity I think for a model like yours when you talk about roughly an 80,000 mile minimum I think they could actually do that over there we're here on Oahu that might be a little sketchy I think the big island they could actually probably pull something like that off so do you have other partners I mean you know this is a big endeavor when you talk about building stations and building trucks you know what's your model look like that really gives you confidence you're going to make all this happen Yeah I mean really it's we've got probably the best partners in the world we have a partner called Meritor they're the number one suspension and differential manufacturer in the industry for heavy duty trucking we have a partner called Rider which handles all our cell service and warranty and then we have a lot of other partners you know enormous enormously talented partners that do software controls vehicle controls manufacturing fabrication and all the design work so we have a big team here but we also have a big team of partners that help us pull it off and the great thing about Hawaii is that you have you're already paying higher than higher premium prices on fuel than the mainland so even if someone is driving in a slightly less amount of miles what we do is we probably have a different slightly different increased price per mile out there in Hawaii it would still be 20 to 30% less than a diesel but it'd be slightly higher than the mainland and so that way you may not be able to hit 80,000 miles in Hawaii but if someone hits 50,000 to 60,000 miles it can still make sense because you're already paying high premiums on diesel fuel so that's kind of the advantage Yeah, that's fair and we're kind of used to that kind of adjustment out here anyway so where do you plan to have your major factory doing the constructing the vehicles? Did you pick a location? Do you have a factory growing up yet? We do have a location picked we'll be announcing that in about three to five weeks from now it's a big announcement it's for the meantime we have a partner called Fitzgerald they're out of Tennessee and they built about 6,000 Peterbilt Glider trucks a year and this family as I've been in the truck assembly business for a long long time and they're going to help us build our first 5,000 trucks and that'll help us make sure that we can avoid the capital expenditure that's needed right up front to build a factory and be able to build the first 5,000 trucks and really help out the people that get these trucks and people's hands that have to wait 10 years to get them So are you feeling pretty confident? You've got a pretty good list of people that are interested and ready to step up? Yeah, we've already done over we did over $4 billion in pre-order structure after the first month and we're close to passing right now over $8 billion so our company is growing like crazy and I think within probably 3 to 5 years of order backlogs will be as big as any other OEM out there in the world so we've got orders coming in that these other guys can only dream of right now Great, well we can we'll definitely reach out to the industry here and help you out because Hawaii really wants to get moving in hydrogen in fact back in 2006 to 2008 the state had a major effort to move into a hydrogen economy and it's kind of languished and kind of falling off most people's radar except for mine of course and I think there's a lot of people out here though they're really excited about hydrogen as a energy storage and transportation fuel and we're trying to get people fired up because there's so much renewables out here as you mentioned this energy storage it's perfect there's a certain point where batteries just don't make sense and we can take all the excess energy off the grid I mean that's the advantage that we have that no one else has is whenever the grids got excess energy we can take it all from them and that's a feature no other company can do so batteries are a bad idea when it comes to trying to store energy because they have such a short life cycle our hydrogen lasts over 20 years so your life cycle is not every three, four, five years it's 20 years and we're not just balancing a grid we're actually taking all the excess energy so that grid can be really happy knowing that we're like this massive 30 to 50 megawatt buffer that can just take anything that they want to throw at us at any time throughout the 24 hours of the day we're trying to convince our local utility that that's a great reason to look at hydrogen they are looking we're hoping they get more excited at least a little bit more excited than they are right now we'll sit down and talk with them because now that we can bring the truck in the hydrogen station it's not just about building an expensive hydrogen station we actually are the ones paying for it so that's it the trucks did a really incredible program and I wanted to I want everyone to know about that then go to NikolaMotor.com in order to see that that's just singular, NikolaMotor.com but we also have another product that's called the Nikola Zero which is a a lot of people are familiar with the Polaris Razor which is like a four seater utility vehicle we've got an electric UTV that is absolutely incredible it's a four seater and it goes one to 200 miles on a charge and it's got over 500 horsepower and 500 foot-pounds of torque so you're taking the ability like it's got more power than a Ford F-150 you can torque, you can tow more but it's also completely zero emission and all electric and you can drive it around the island so we're going to try to get some of these built real fast and get them over there in the in the mayors and the you know did the hands of the different the mayors to see if they can help us get these permitted for the cities because rather than all these mustings being rented out by the car companies why not have these electric UTVs rented out that have the ability to be driven anywhere zero emission and that's really our goal is to try to get all the emissions off the islands and you can't do it unless you're unless you're creative and you know and are willing to permit vehicles that normally wouldn't be permitted on the road right I was going to say most of the time those vehicles are limited to low speed vehicle class which is 35 mile an hour zones and have a governor on them that keeps them down below 35 yeah so that's what we're trying to change we're trying to go into these these mayors and say look we can get rid of the emissions we have this UTV that's just like a car has stability has analog braking system has stability control has full autonomy control is safer than a car with exception of like the crash you know the crash testing you have to do which runs hundreds of millions of dollars and we're not going to spend that on a an inexpensive vehicle so our goal is to try to get the island off of emissions if you go to Lake Havasu, Arizona their entire city is run on UTVs now and they have less wrecks on UTVs than they had in cars so the key about this is it's all about getting rid of the emissions and we can do that with this electric UTV that doesn't need to be charged every day you can ride it 200 miles without having to charge it and this would be the four passenger version yep and you can have windshields on it you can have everything so if it's raining you can you know you have windshields you can have doors all that is it's a really amazing little unit you can see it on NikolaMotor.com as well okay do you have an estimated price on that yet? it's going to range in your from about $30,000 to $45,000 so pretty inexpensive but it's got a stereo system built in it's got it's all waterproof it's mud proof you can spray it with a pressure washer it's got full touch screens in it so it's pretty much like driving $180,000 Tesla you know for essentially $35,000 or $40,000 okay all right that'd be fun I'd like to check out the road to Hana on one of these things I'm bringing mine over soon and hopefully I don't get in too much trouble are you going to be in the island sometime soon? we're going to hopefully get out there near the end of this year so when I do I will let you know before the end of this year and we're going to bring it over and we're going to try to shoot some video on the road to Hana so obviously that's Maui because that's where we have our house not that we don't love Oahu and the big islands and the others it's just I have a personal tie to Maui so in a house there in Haiku so we'd love to we'd love to have you over there and actually be able to take that road with us to the road to Hana with us great well if we can talk to Mayor Caldwell and let me drive one around Honolulu I might buy one of your things just to drive around here let's get them on because once they realize that these are safer and better and more fun and more environmental friendly than the gasoline versions there's no reason to have those gasoline cars on the island anymore got it but I can't afford a Tesla so I need something that's a little more my speed yeah and it's more economical I mean it's only I mean that's a pretty inexpensive unit you know if you think about in fact it has 107 kilowatt hours of lithium so that's bigger it's got more power in it energy density than the 160 or $80,000 Tesla has and you're buying it for one quarter of the price exactly like we built some we built some class I believe it's class six size vehicles F550 and a little bit bigger in our shop for the Air Force and we normally only have less than 30 kilowatt hours worth of lithium batteries on our vehicle so that's a pretty good hunk of batteries for a these are awesome and I think it's got 20 inches of suspension travel it's got four wheel drive it's got a a jail audio system built into it all waterproof I mean this thing is the funnest thing you've ever driven in your life and once you go to one you won't even want to get in your car anymore because they're so fun to drive you just can't ever get an experience like that ever again it sounds like a Humvee electric Humvee much yeah like a miniature Humvee electric Humvee it's very it's a small unit I mean it's a four seater and it's a it's a utility vehicle so you can go to NikolaMotor.com and look at it and it's we got a new version coming out in two months that we spent the last year and a year and a half working on we'll be announcing all the new pictures and renderings and drawings in the and the full real life version here in the next two months for the public to see it actually in operating in real world scenarios and when will they be available to purchase we're taking pre-orders right now so you go on NikolaMotor.com and actually pre-order them for 750 bucks and that will be applied towards your purchase price or it can be refunded there's no limitation on it we don't even spend the money it just sits there in the account we don't touch it and you can you can go on there right now and reserve it so you don't have to wait years to get it once we come out sometime next year we'll have them available for the public okay well I'm gonna have to do that in fact as soon as I get back from this gig I'm gonna go check your website maybe put some money down on one of those that sounds like fun they're one of them they're an incredible machine and you can tow with them too it's just crazy what you can do like nothing you've ever experienced so that's the greatest thing about NikolaMotor Company is we've got hundreds of millions of dollars in development on the semi-truck and then we're able to take that money and put it into the UTV because if we didn't have all that development into the semi-truck there's no way we could ever afford to develop a utility vehicle like that because you would never make your money back so that's the advantage we have here at Nikola is the ability to take all that technology and bring it over to the UTV great well I tell you what we got about 30 seconds left and I'd like to leave it all up to you to just tell us what you'd like to tell us as we close out here today I think that you know we all have a responsibility in this life to not just leave this place better than the way that we found it but also in an economical situation better than we found it and a lot of people don't correlate the two they think that you know it's all about just the environment it's not just about the environment but we need money in order to develop things like this so the great thing about this technology in this company is is that we're saving people money and we're eliminating all the emissions so the first time in history we're able to do both and leave this planet in this place a better place for our kids not just environmentally but economically as well and that's a lifelong dream of mine we've been able to start to begin to realize great well thanks Tremor I really appreciate you being on today and obviously we're gonna have to have you back when we can do some more stuff when you come over to visit Maui so we're looking forward to that thanks so much we'll do the next show live here from Honolulu maybe we'll do it from Maui maybe I'll go over there and we'll both Skype it in from there sounds good it sounds like a lot of fun okay Tremor thanks again thanks guys take care see you again later this year Aloha and thanks for joining us with Stanley Entery Man this week we'll see you next Friday Aloha


All right, once again, good morning, welcome everybody. Let's take a moment to please pray together and then we will get started. May I request somebody to please pray with the class. All right, Albrea. Go ahead. I've hardly not go, I want to thank you for that privilege. I want to thank you for that opportunity you've given unto us. I want to thank you for your mercy, your kindness, your faithfulness to your word, even when we fail you. Why do we thank you, God, that even the Word is prepared to hear? The fact that you open our ears to hear, open our minds to receive, that the end of this class, all glory and honor, be ascribed unto your name alone.  The Father, your name shall be glorified in every life represented here. Teach us what we need to teach, teach us what we need to hear. Open our eyes to see what we need to see. Open our ears to hear what we need to hear. For your kingdom's sake. Blessed be your Holy Name. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Once again, good morning everybody. Thank you for connecting to the class. This is our course on developing the human spirit and that we've been touching on various aspects. The last two classes, we were talking about the human spirit and how we interact with the spiritual realm. So I've just shared the notes. It's kind of in a rough state, but I shared the notes in the coursework section. I will just quickly review it and then move forward into what we want to share today. So this was chapter five. We spent some time trying to understand how the human spirit interacts with the spiritual realm. First of all, we were dealing with how God works with the born again human spirit. We talked about how the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit and He gives revelation. The foot of the spirit come forth out of our human spirit and also the Holy Spirit works through our spirits. I kind of included this little section that we had a discussion on earlier. I just put that in here for completeness sake. Then last week, we were talking about spiritual experiences in Scripture. And one of the objectives in highlighting this is or was that we need to be open to spiritual experiences even in our day and time. Because the God who worked in the past as recorded for us in the Bible, he hasn't changed and he hasn't stopped working. He still is at work and the same Holy Spirit who moved upon the prophets or moved upon people in the Bible, whether they are older than the New Testaments. Yes, the record is about his working 2000 plus years ago and more. But the Holy Spirit has not changed. And of a human spirit, the capabilities of our human spirit has not changed. We still design the same way as people were many, many years ago. And so in our and through our interactions with the Holy Spirit, with God Himself, we should be open to these experiences. And we just highlighted a few about Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel. I just highlighted a few of those and there are several, sorry, several. The Bible is full of that all the way from Genesis to Revelation. There are numerous people who had different kinds of spiritual experiences. And the intent was just to highlight some of them. And then as you read the Scriptures and you see what happened, you say, you know, that can happen even today. God can do it to us even today. So we talked about Daniel and Paul. We can talk about his experiences, John, the beloved in Revelation. We can talk about his experiences and so on. So in as much as, you know, God, the Holy Spirit moves upon people, we are also aware that demonic powers affect the human spirit. And I'm not getting into those details, but, you know, we are aware of it. Our intent in this course is to really talk about the born-again human spirit and our interaction spirit realm. But just as an aside, we understand that a person who's not born again, who is, you know, we say in spiritual darkness, can also open up and be affected by demonic powers. So in as much as God and the Holy Spirit and angelic beings interact, good angels interact with the believer. And there are times God, of course, interacts with the unbelievers. In a similar manner, we recognize that are demonic powers that can bring about influence and possession and empowerment of people. So in a sense, you know, we are able to connect the spiritual and the natural realms as people, and let's just talk about us as born-again believers. We are able to connect the spiritual realm and the natural realm. So we are operating and living in the natural realm. We live in these physical bodies and we interact constantly with this natural realm. But our human spirit connects with the spiritual realm again. You know, experience God, listen to God, receive wisdom from God, receive directives from God, receive empowering from God and then release that into this natural realm. So really you and I have this, you know, wonderful opportunity to operate in dual realms, the spiritual and the natural. And we must develop our ability to operate in the spiritual and from the spiritual into the natural. So now I want to move into the next chapter today just to talk about the faculties of the human spirit. Now, we, you would have been exposed to some of this or all of this, I would say, when in the course on the Holy Spirit, you would have gone through the book, Gifts of the Holy Spirit, and in that there is a chapter. But we talk about this because of course the gifts of the Holy Spirit are released through the faculties of the human spirit into the natural world. So you would have already been exposed to this, so it's not necessarily something new, but hopefully we can, you know, reiterate this, emphasize this once again and also maybe open up some new understanding when it comes to the faculties of the human spirit. Now, what we can see in scripture is that just as the human body has faculties, we call them senses, five physical senses, we can see in scripture, both older and new Testament, that the human spirit also has, we will just use the word spirit, the Bible doesn't use that term, we are just using that term for communication purposes. That means the spirit has faculties, the human spirit has faculties, or sense, like as we say, five physical senses, we could say five spiritual senses, channels by which it is picking up information. And you see this in both the Testaments, for example, in Deuteronomy 29, and it says, look, I haven't given you a heart to perceive an eyes to see and ears to hear. So he's talking about the heart, I know I've quoted only part of this whole portion, but the focus here is the heart has been given eyes to see, ears to hear, and the ability to perceive or to save knowledge. Okay, so there is the physical eyes, which is referencing here in verse two, you have seen all the law, all that the Lord did before your eyes. So this was their physical eyes, their physical, they saw with their physical eyes, the miracles, the science, the, all things that God did in Egypt. And yet he's talking here in verse four, as he begins to talk here in verse four about spiritual capacity. So this is natural physical capacity. Here he's talking about spiritual, your heart perceiving, your eyes, spiritual eyes seeing, spiritual ears hearing. And again, another example would be in Isaiah six, God is telling Isaiah, you know, after his commission, he says, go tell this people, keep on hearing, you do not understand, you keep on seeing, you do not perceive the heart of the people has become dull, the heart is referring to the heart, the human spirit. The human spirit has become dull. That means the spiritual senses or the faculties of the inner person, the heart is, you know, unused, underdeveloped. It is not do fulfilling its intended function, you know, the years are heavy, it's all stuffed up, can't, can't listen, eyes can't see, you know, and the heart can't understand. So, you know, you're saying this is their spiritual condition. So he's in Isaiah, tell these people, you know, this is your spiritual condition, you're hearing, you don't understand, you see, you don't perceive, and what's happened, why? Because your heart, your heart, the faculties of your heart have dulled, yeah, and therefore they cannot be healed, they cannot be healed. And Jesus quotes this in Matthew 13, he's using that, Isaiah, the passage from Isaiah, and as he rebukes the people, not rebuked, but he says, look, this is the condition just like Isaiah said. So, that was a spiritual condition of the people, and their spiritual dullness prevented them from returning to the Lord and being healed, being, in experiencing the work of God in their lives. So you see the connection here, you see, how if the faculties of the human spirit are dulled, it is actually keeping us from experiencing what God wants us to experience. In this case, for them to return to God and be saved and healed and delivered and receive what God wants us to, and that Jesus quoted the same thing in his own ministry. So, you know, Jesus was there wonderfully anointed by God, anointed by the Spirit to heal, to deliver to all the wonderful things, but spiritually these people were not able to see, hear, and understand, and that kept them from coming to God and being healed or receiving what God wanted them to receive. So, it is, you know, therefore important for us to make sure that the faculties of our heart, or of, we say, spirit senses, or spiritual faculties should, you know, keep on improving, get sharper, get better. You know, our eyes, spiritual eyes, spiritual ears, ability to understand, receive, should get better. That's, that's for us to learn how to train them and get them. But it also means that God will use our faculties, our faculties of our human spirit. That is his primary way to communicate to us. And we, we established this in the previous chapter when we saw how, you know, it is spirit to spirit, the spirit bears witness with our spirit. This Holy Spirit gives revelation to our spirit. So, the Holy Spirit is first and foremost communicating to our human spirit, through the faculties of our spirit. Right? So, I just came, you know, we usually put this little diagram here. It's only for education, training purposes, okay. It's not like something that's prescribed in scripture. It's just for us to explain. So, just as the body, the human body has these physical senses, which we mentioned. Information from this our realm, the natural realm, is picked up by these physical senses. It goes to our soul, which is our mind, well and emotions, our ability to reason, analyze, you know, and make decisions and then take action. So, it goes here. We process all this information and then we decide what to do. We take action. In a similar way, we must understand that the spiritual realm, that we connect with the spiritual realm through our spirit faculties. And we can establish very clearly in scripture in which we will that the human spirit has at least these five faculties. You know, we've already seen here, he's talking about the heart. He's talking about the heart. He says he talks about ears. He talks about eyes. So, that means the heart has these faculties. And he talks about understanding or perceiving or receiving, you know, information. We could translate that into your ability to perceive or feel or understand or put all this information together. So, that's all happening here in the spirit, the heart. So, you can feel, you can see, you can hear, you can taste, smell, you put it all together and then from here you're passing it on to the soul, the human mind, which then, you know, again processes that information further and determines action.  Why? Because of what I have received in the spirit. Now, there's a, there is a big difference between what comes through the spirit and what comes through the body. What comes with the body is confined to the natural realm. And so it is pretty easy for the soul to process because the soul is very accustomed to this kind of information. You know, what we feel here, yeah. We kind of spend a lot of time here with information from the natural realm and we can analyze and, you know, determine action. However, the spiritual realm is way beyond or way bigger than the soul. And the soul is not very accustomed or habituated to handle information from the spiritual realm. So that's why there's just quite a bit of training that's needed, right? Our spirit, first of all, we need to sharpen our faculties of the human spirit, receive information, what the Holy Spirit is telling us, what God is speaking to us by his spirit. And because the spirit bears witness with our spirit. So we need to understand, you know, how the Holy Spirit is communicating to us. But, you know, with our faculty he's speaking into, he's speaking into a spiritual, yeah, if he's giving you something to see, if he's working through your feeling, or a spiritual feeling as you're working through taste and smell, or you're just imparting understanding or perception to your human spirit. Yeah. So we need to learn how to pick that up, process that, and then pass it on to our soul. And our soul also, our mind also needs to, you know, become more and more comfortable with processing that kind of information, because it's through our mind that we're then going to tell our body to take action. So this is a training or a learning process for us. But what did we say in the previous chapter, you know, the gifts of the Holy Spirit come like this, the power of God is often released through this. I'm not saying exclusively, because at the very end of this chapter, we'll say that God could work directly on our soul or our body. God could work independent of us, of course. But the norm is that God will work. He releases power through our spirit, going through our soul and body. You know, so for instance, Jesus said, out of your innermost being, your spirit will flow rivers of living water. So your innermost being, that's your spirit. And from here, the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit is going to be released out of your innermost being will flow rivers of living water. So when the Holy Spirit wants to flow, we need to let him, we need to allow him. But then that requires the cooperation of our soul and our body. So that we need to learn how to work with the Holy Spirit. So what we want to do is, and this is going to be a very interesting study, which I would encourage you to undertake, which is you go through the scriptures and you look, look, you know, from Genesis to Revelation, look for examples where this interaction is happening. That means there's an interaction of the spirit faculties with the spiritual realm. You look for that. And I've tried to do a little bit of it, but there's a lot more.  And I'm still uncovering. So I'm still learning. You know, it's just really exciting. Wow, okay, that's how it happens. Oh, what, what did, you know, right now I'm reading to Zechariah. And, and it's very interesting in the chapter one, chapter two, Zechariah is seeing four horses and there's communication happening. Angels are speaking to the angel of God, which is the Lord Jesus and to Zechariah. So there is, here's a man and he's interacting with the spiritual realm and God is using natural images like the horses to communicate something to him. Now that doesn't mean there are horses in the spiritual realm. You know, it doesn't mean that there are physical horse.  So it doesn't mean horns are floating around the spiritual realm. No, God is just using some images from the natural realm to speak to Zechariah. But so it's just interesting to analyze. Here's a man, God is speaking to him, spiritual beings are interacting with him. But how is that interaction happening? God is using images from our natural world to communicate something to Zechariah.  Oh, that's of course, an image from our world that God is showing him in a vision. But that image is basically telling him, you know, I'm going to rebuild the city. I'm going to reconstruct Jerusalem. And that was part of Zechariah's vision or mission to, you know, to see the rebuilding now of the city of Jerusalem. So it's very interesting, you know, when you read the Bible and you look at the interaction of people with the spiritual realm, that means we're talking about this aspect, you know, their spiritual faculties are interacting with the spiritual realm. And God is giving them information that is way beyond their soul, way beyond their soul.  I will come and dwell in Jerusalem. I will dwell and inhabit the city. So this is way beyond Zechariah's understanding, right? And he's speaking all those things. He's releasing it. That means he's not letting his soul stop him from communicating what he is seeing in the spirit, even though this is way beyond his ability to process, you know, in the sense that, you know, if he sat down there and said, you know, what is the meaning of the branch? What is the meaning of a stone with seven eyes? He would have got stumped right there. He would not have said anything because he's seeing a stone with seven eyes. What is that? That doesn't make sense. But he's continuing to speak. He is not letting his soul stop it, you know. So he sees four horses, different colors. He just says, you know, I see four horses, different colors. It's in the spiritual realm. Yeah. So I just picked up Zechariah because I'm reading Zechariah now. But, you know, like this, when you read different parts of the Bible, you begin to see. You begin to learn. Wow. This is how the human spirit is interacting with God. And this is how God is communicating information to the human spirit. And then from there, it's being released in the natural realm. So our objective is to train our faculties, spiritual faculties, to learn, to listen to God, the Holy Spirit, how he communicates, how does he speak, how does he move and in our goal is to develop these faculties. So we will go through one of these five faculties, look at some examples and just share things that we can expect to happen in and through God touching or God moving or God communicating to our spirit faculties. Okay. So that's our objective. How do we do this? And then the best way is to, best way to learn and to develop your spiritual faculties is by practice. That is by doing it. And it's good to have the theory that is, it's good to know what the Bible teaches, which is very important is the starting point so that we don't go off into doing something that's wrong. So it's very important to have a biblical foundation. You go to the Bible, find out from the Bible, find out from the Bible how these spirit faculties are working. Then next step is practice it. Ask God to move on your spirit faculties. As you're interacting, doing different things, your normal day to day routine, ask God to move upon your spirit faculties. Say, God, show me something. God, speak to me. God, move upon me. God, reveal information to me. So you're intentionally asking God and then you experience the moving. You experience God working through your spirit faculties. Then you go back to the Bible. You discover some more. You learn some more. How did John have his revelation? And it's just fascinating reading through the book of Revelation. John was hearing sounds. He was seeing things. He was feeling things. These are all things in the spirit. He heard the voice like many waters. He heard the voice of a trumpet and yet there was a message coming through the trumpet. When you and I hear the blowing of a trumpet, there's no message. You don't necessarily get a message. But John was getting a message through the sound of a trumpet, through the falling of many waters and so on. So that means God can communicate a message through what seems like a sound. But you're receiving clear, well-articulated information in the spiritual realm through what seems like the sound of a trumpet. So that's something we have to begin to get to understand. Okay, we will get into this. Let's pause here. I hope everybody is with me. Okay, all right. I'm just pausing here. Any questions till this point? Are we all together? Okay, there's a question here from Elisha. Spiritual faculties limited to the heart, eyes and ears only. So Elisha, what we can see in scripture is there are at least five spiritual senses of faculties, right? What we see, what we hear, what we feel, and there's also that of taste and smell. We can see that in the Bible. But there is also, you know, what, because I couldn't put it as part of these five faculties, I separated it and I put it as seven functions. And so that's something we will cover in the next chapter or in the next section, seven functions. And one of the functions is just perception. Now, I didn't know how to put perception as a faculty, but what happens is, so I just put it as a function of the spirit. That means the human spirit just receives knowledge. Suddenly, you just know.  I don't, it's hard for me to say it came through this particular channel, but your spirit has received revelation. It just knows. So that's why I call it just as a function of perception or receiving knowledge. And you're able to say things, which your mind did not know. Okay. But you just know in your spirit. So what I did was, okay, I said, okay, you know, fine faculties is easy to explain because it parallels the human faculty, physical faculties, but we also can see seven functions. One of which I was just talking about is this perception, just receiving knowledge. And since I wasn't able to put it into one of these clear cut sensors, I just kept it separately. And so to answer your question, you know, we should keep these two together. That means the human spirit has these faculties that we can talk about, but it also has these functions that it's capable of. And it's like this human body, right? I know I have five physical senses, but I also know I can, the body's capable of you know, doing things. It's, you know, a lot more. And the person is not just the five physical senses. The person is a combination of all this. So spiritually speaking, you have five physical senses, but you also have these seven operations. And it all works together. It all works together. Okay, so we will cover those seven operations. Thank you, Pastor. All right. So, Beth, next question. Where does intuition fall? We sometimes refer to as a sixth sense, yeah. So intuition, which is something like a knowing that comes out of your spirit. Right?  So that I would call it as one of the seven functions of the human spirit. Sometimes it's the conscience. It's the voice of your spirit speaking, which we refer to it, which falls as part of the category of intuition. And sometimes it's actually the Holy Spirit who has put that knowing in your human spirit. So that also expresses itself, like you just know in your spirit.   But you just know in your spirit, where did it come from, whether it either came from your conscience or it came because the Holy Spirit gave you that knowledge in your spirit. And you just know. And so, and we refer to it commonly as intuition, but this is where it's coming from. Okay. So Anita says, please share any of your experiences. Yeah, I'll try to share a few as we go along. You know, and I don't want to spend all the time talking about all my experiences, but I will share some, you know, under each of those headings as we go along. So Beth asks a question. Unbelievers also have intuition. Does this mean the Holy Spirit speaks to them and they don't realize? So when unbelievers have intuition, it comes from two sources. So one is there is the conscience. Every unbeliever also has a conscience, right? Now, they may suppress their conscience, they may suppress. That is the voice of their own human spirit, telling them right and wrong and you know, do this, don't do that. So they may suppress it or they may listen to it, you know, and so it just depends on different people. Their conscience is in a different state. So one, it's their own conscience speaking to them. They're the voice of the human spirit speaking to them. Secondly, foreign unbeliever, and I'm not saying this happens to all unbelievers. Before an unbeliever, we know that the Holy Spirit is also ministering to them. This is in John 16, because Jesus said, He, the Holy Spirit, will convict them of righteousness, of truth, of sin, righteousness, and judgment. This is in John 16. I think it's verse 8. So Holy Spirit is dealing with the unbeliever in three areas. Sin, righteousness, judgment. So the Holy Spirit is going to, you know, deal with the unbeliever. Part of it would be to open their eyes or how the Holy Spirit brings about that conviction. He will convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Thirdly, we also know that an unbeliever could be open to the working of demonic powers. And I'm not saying everything that an unbeliever has is demonic. No, that's not so, but they could. And, you know, some unbelievers, if they open themselves up more to dark spirits, they will begin to get information from them. And it may seem like as it's flowing from their own spirit, but they're actually being empowered by demonic spirits. And sometimes we refer to these as familiar spirits, things that they open themselves up and become friendly with. So there are all of these possibilities. Okay. Okay, we will take another question and let's see if we can move a little forward today. Please, Christopher. Christopher, you're okay, your question. Okay, you typed it in the chat. Okay. Yeah. So Christopher's question is, you had mentioned that there may be cases where the Holy Spirit may bypass the human spirit and go directly to the solar body. Could you please give us some examples and why this happened?  So there are times, and I'll just talk about it now since you asked the question. So there are times when, you know, God can bypass interacting with the spirit and just going, touching the soul and the body and the many examples. So for instance, something that's very drastic is the apostle, sorry, Saul on the road to Damascus, right? So he's writing on the, he's not, at that point, he's not saved. And he has a bright, he has this, we call it the Damascus road experience. He sees a light he hears the voice, he's thrown to the ground, he is blinded. So here God has impacted him so powerfully. He's impacted him physically, what has happened. He is thrown to the ground, blinded. So that's God dealing with the body directly. But he has also had a spiritual experience. He has heard sound. He has seen something which those around him, you know, they did not have that same experience. It's interesting. You know how Paul, let's see, this is an X9 and it says an X97, it says they heard a voice, this is those around Paul, around Saul. They heard a voice, but they saw no one, right? And so now what did they hear? I don't know what, you know, what the battalion of soldiers and others who are going with Saul, I don't know what they heard, but actually chapter nine where seven says they also heard a voice. That means I am, it doesn't tell us what that's a physical voice, a spiritual voice. Let's assume it was physical because they all heard it. So God is dealing with the physical, but Saul not only heard, but he also saw, right? He saw a bright light, it hit him hard.  Of course, it's God, it's God's glory, God's radiance, but let's assume it was also something in the physical, you know, and we're not very definite, okay? Because it just says he saw a light, he heard a voice, it could be in the spiritual, it could be in the natural, but let's assume for now that the seeing and the hearing was also physical because for sure the throwing to the ground was physical, the blinding of his eyes was physical. Let's assume that the sound and the light was also physical. I mean it was something so bright, but it was something that impacted Saul because the others around didn't see it. They heard the voice, they didn't see it, you know. So there seems to be this overlap of the spiritual, the natural, but the impact was in the physical. Ultimately, what happened? In an instant, there was spiritual transformation.  He said, I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, etc. So there's this conversation happening, but the result was his spirit was completely changed. So here's one example. You can see many examples where God is touching the physical, then the effect is in the spiritual. So there are times when God will move upon us also in a similar way. For example, you know, in words of knowledge, words of knowledge, typically it is comes through what you're seeing, but there are times I feel it in my body. You know, so for example, two Sundays ago, that is not yesterday, but that Sunday before, I was ministering at South Church, so that's one of our locations. And during the worship time, I felt in my body a sharp shooting pain on the left side, lower part left side. Now I know I don't have that pain. It's not a pain that I carry, but it was a momentary thing. So I knew God is speaking. Now I just waited, because what happens? You feel in your body something that God wants to do. So that feeling is not in the spirit. It's a feeling in your physical, right? So I felt then, you know, later on during the time of ministry, actually it was towards the end of the service. I called and I called out some other words of knowledge and one of them was this, but this particular one, I didn't see it in the spiritual, I felt it in the physical, but I called it out anyway and, you know, people, somebody was there who had that kind of thing. And so many times words of knowledge will come like that. You'll feel something in your body rather than it coming through your spiritual senses. Okay. Now, why does God do it?  So, you know, God just, just, just doing something as he desires and we just go with it. Yeah. All right. So Christopher's next question, we could say an unbeliever does not have a human spirit. No, no, no. Every human person has a spirit soul and body, is a spirit soul and body. There's no, there's no, a human being cannot exist without a spirit. Every human person is a tripod being spirit, soul and body. Okay. Now, he's an unbeliever. His human spirit has not been born again, but he has a spirit, spirit, soul and body. That's every human being, spirit, soul and body. Okay. Let me just pick up some other questions here. Shrikama, is it applicable for someone who does not want to repent and is rebellious? Sorry, Shrikama, I lost the context of your statement. So you're muted. Sorry, Shrikama. Okay. I'm not sure, Shrikama. Anita, Anita has comments. Okay. Gideon, his interaction with God, very offered food. It's physical. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, all the sacrifices in the Old Testament were physical. They were offering physical offerings, burnt offerings, so on. Yes, Shrikama. Yeah, I didn't understand your statement. My question is the, as you're discussing with, discussing, sharing the things that you are, what Christopher asked. So my question is, if the God can directly, you know, that's the intervene in the body and the soul part, as you said. So is it, is it applicable for someone who is rebellious and a man who is, for example, we are praying for someone? And he's not, he does not want to repent. And that is his condition. And somebody is there night praying for that man. And, and he's, even he knows that God is speaking to him, but he, he does not want to repent. Because of that one man's prayer, or so many people's prayer for that particular person, can God directly, rather than touching his spirit, can directly God intervene and change him, transform him? That is my question. Yeah, so the answer is yes. You know, that if there are times when God could, just like how we did in the case of Saul, right? That was a very powerful encounter now, which was in the natural realm, because it was very, very, you know, Paul couldn't deny it. He was blinded for three days. He was thrown to the ground. So you see in the Bible, there are those when God intervenes physically or when you're in Acts 13, when Paul and Barnabas, on their first missionary journey, they are on the island of, I think they come to Crete, and they're speaking to this governor, and there's this witchcraft, this man of Elimus, the sorcerer, and Paul tells him, you will be blind for a season, and the man became blind. So it was a, you know, God impacting him so powerfully. Now, did Elimus become a believer? I don't know, but it made a believer out of the governor, you know, now it doesn't tell us what happened to him, but that's God touching him in natural. So the answer is yes, God can touch people physically. So usually healings, you think about it, healings, miracles are God actually touching people in the natural, so they can have an encounter with God first physically, and then hopefully that will lead them to repentance. There could be other, you know, supernatural ways that God encounters people naturally, and the answer to your question is yes. Pastor, I just want to know, in Paul's case, he was actually, he had zeal for God, and if someone is not having zeal for God, and but because of somebody's prayer, is it possible again? Is it possible? Yeah, yeah. Okay. You know, so I mean, I'm just thinking of an example like John Newton. He, and I'm sure there are many examples like this, you know, think about John Newton. He was a slave trader. He had no, he was very rough, he was a sailor, very rough, very, very, very, what would let's say just say he was a wicked person, right? He had no desire for God. And yet he encountered God, you know, and if you read his story, in the middle of a storm and the seas, you know, and so God could do anything, yeah, even for the most wicked people, God can touch them. Thank you, sir. Okay. So what we want to do is we want to understand. First, we're going to talk about these Biospirit faculties, humans, faculties, the human spirit and how God works, how God communicates and tracks with those faculties. Then we want to talk about the functions of the spirit, because God works even with that. So, and we need to put them together, we need to develop our faculties, our functions, so that spiritually we can become stronger and stronger, and let God work through our spirit in ministering to people. And I'll share a few examples as we go along. Okay. Okay. Let's see now one last question here. Abraham, I just know in my spirit, something good is supposed to happen to someone, but the thing ends up being bad. Please, is it that I don't discern well? So Abraham's question is, sometimes I feel in my spirit something good is going to happen to somebody, but something bad happens. Is it that I don't discern well? Well, my response, and I wouldn't always blame or I wouldn't say you're not discerning well, sometimes it just could be a matter of timing. Sometimes things get worse before they get better, or things get worse before you see the good thing that's going to happen. So, I would just say wait a little longer, tell the person to continue to hold on to the word, wait a little longer, because things may get worse before they become better. So, don't think it's, you're not discerning well, just the way the timing of things will be different. Okay. All right. Let's pause here on this class now and we will connect into the other class, and we will continue this next week. Okay. Thanks.


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Everton did really well, they don't everything you should do when you're trying to break up a team who's ridden is really hard to stop. And it made me laugh actually that I was what I was watching on the commentators couldn't believe you know what Everton were doing. Jim Beglam was nearly you know having a fit he couldn't believe it and yet Jim Beglam played in Liverpool side that not only were excellent but were excellent at wasting time from the first minute but get a goal and pass it back for the rest of it so it was a bit weird I don't know whether he wanted us to go there and just play free open football and get beat 11-0 he probably did but that was never gonna happen something Michael Owen ironically agreed with something Michael Owen said at half time was like what do you expect Everton to do they're trying to stop Liverpool getting any rhythm and that's what we did and in the first half you know they started off okay I had a free kick hadn't he gone with the wall my promise from position and the corey broke through great play from Retialis and put the corey through and he bobbled it wide and he should have hit the target and you know we did carry a threat on the counter attack to Liverpool and the players really did stick to the game plan made sure Liverpool couldn't pass through us try to get out and stop crosses and trying to stop Trent Alexander Arnold getting great deliveries into the box which we know we can do and you know the first half Everton were perfect almost in what they did it's listen it's this how you want Everton to play going forward if you've had the opportunity now you'd love a team to be able to go to Amfield against a good side like that and go toe to toe with them but we're not there they are far far better than we are so you have to deal with what you've got you know lest they come to Goddus near the night lest there is a better side than us Schmeichel was wasting time in the opening minute you know when they come back and bit him on the arse when we scored an injury time but that's what he was doing they broke the game up there's no difference we've done exactly the same today what they did to us the other night and that's what you do in away games and it's particularly when you're playing against a team like Liverpool so I thought Everton stuck to the game plan in the first half Liverpool didn't really have anything I've note in the first half you know Everton had arguably the better certainly the corey one was an excellent chance got in at 0-0 at halftime a little bit of handbags before halftime a little bit of nonsense you know derby games and hadn't he gone and been booked for diving he deserved the booking I think in the penalty area just because he'd gone down but there was one earlier with Trent Alexander on and he shoved them in the back on the edge of the box it was a foul the referee who was awful all day like proper dreadful the whole day gave the you know called it a dive and one of the team beglin actually you had been very prolific but he'd expect them to be you know was even saying it was a free kick to Everton and he got it wrong and he got a lot wrong to that well he was shocking absolutely diabolical performance wrong came out second half Liverpool the better side again what you expect but Everton carried a real threat on the breaking we had two moments where we could have struck the lead one with Antony Gordon Alex Oboby does really well and plays him and he had Trent Alexander Arnold all over the gaff all day but we know that he's not great defensively he's a well-classed footballer going forward defensively he's not the best and Gordon played on that and he got into the box and dragged this shot wide if he did just stayed it into the far corner Evan and the took the lead and then one with Joel Matip which was a stone wall penalty and there'll be Liverpool fans watching as you will disagree of course you will you disagree if his legs were hanging off but it was it was a penalty Matip shoved them in the back it was a penalty if that's at the other end on Salah or Manite a penalty and you know that was that was the way it was um but Liverpool did score after that you know Jürgen Klopp made a couple of changes they scored and the Robertson and what was really annoying about this goal was Seamus Coleman's got one man to mark in the box and he doesn't mark him and Robertson comes in and plants ahead of beyond Joven Pickford to give Liverpool a lead and um yeah after that you knew then it was you know that was probably going to be it Evan went close with Damari Gray ffizzed a shot which hit the stance in behind a goal at one they'll be the another one with deli who'd come on man on a good run and knocked it across and it was cleared by Andy Robertson um before a wobie could get there and then you know Rigi who'd come on the pitch was always going to score and of course he had his customary tapping against us um ball back in corner had a doubt and there's some product back in Diaz tried a bicycle kick which went wrong it the floor or went perfectly right if you meant it and David Rigi had it in for soon Ellen you know I can Evan did stuck to the game plan and almost frustrated Liverpool and I've stayed in the game if they'd been better finishing they might have got something out the game um I'm not trying to sit in and say Evan the better side they clearly weren't be quite clearly weren't Liverpool were the better side are by far the better side but I thought Evan stuck to the task quite well isn't it a team that was in the bottom three now and it's looking very very worrying for Evan it really is there's no question about it I think the three games in a week off of the way bring for their own palace around will determine whether Evan can play Premier League football next season he win all three I think they're fine I think they'll stay up um if they don't then they'll go that's how it looks anyway um but they dug in there and and I think there was a lot of blues fearing a much bigger margin of victory for Liverpool today so tune it you've got to take it on the chain get on with it um this wasn't the game that was going to determine our season obviously Burnley have had two sides turn up with this flipflops on and they've beaten both of them so fair play to them we've got it all to do now and hopefully we'll have a few teams you've got the flipflops on and Evan can take full advantage of it but today wasn't the day man of the matter to me was Anthony Gordon for Evan um Evan perspective he carried a threat all day should have had the penalty but was looked at his most likely I thought there was some good performances to be honest to Corey did well Alums was good um I thought we stuck to the task quite well but Anthony Gordon was Evan's man of the matter for me uh there you go that's it that's my thoughts on it um there's a pool of one not unexpected like he said um and the best thing I can say is it's out of the way it's done yeah there you go there my thoughts give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't and enjoy the rest of the evening see you later