Okay. Good morning everybody. I am Tathagatha, one of the co-founders of Siktappal. We founded Siktappal back in 2015 with an idea of applying the latest advances in AI towards the healthcare domain. And incidentally neither me nor any of my co-founders had any background in healthcare at all. The last time I studied biology was in class 10. So it has been an interesting, if not difficult journey so far. So in today's talk I'll be presenting a few challenges that we have come across and how we have solved them and also the challenges that face healthcare industry as a whole in general. So our motto is data driven intelligence for healthcare. What we want to do is to make sure that every medical decision taken is guided by data and AI in the future. The outline of the talk is as follows. I will start with the challenges that face the healthcare industry today and then followed by what are the possible areas of application of AI and ML in the healthcare industry. And finally we'll give you a few glimpses of what we are doing at Siktappal in this area. The challenges and opportunities in healthcare today. Now healthcare as we know it today has several problems. The first problem is the lack of doctors. Now if you search for the number of doctors in India in Google, the results that come up are as follows. All of them actually talk about the lack of doctors in India. And the rural India houses 68 percent of the Indian population. Whereas only 10 percent of our doctor population lives in the rural areas, which makes it extremely difficult for people in rural areas to access quality healthcare. And this infographic, I don't know whether it's fully visible on the screen or not, gives you a doctor to patient ratio across the world. The redder areas are where the problem is more acute, whereas the greener areas where things are still better. As you can see, much of India is in the yellow and red zone and almost the whole of Africa is in the red zone. So the problem now is that we have an abysmal doctor to patient ratio and as a result, a lack of reach of quality healthcare. Now the only way to solve this is through technology. You can neither grow new doctors overnight nor can you force doctors to leave their comfort, their urban comfort and relocate to rural areas. This is a meme. I mean, no, no disrespect to doctors here. But at many times, what the job that doctors do is mentally taxing. And this leads to variability, inaccuracy and inefficiency, especially when it comes to diagnosis from visual medical data. Let us take a very common example of malaria. Now malaria is not very common in Bangalore, but if you just go outside, maybe to Bangalore or the coastal areas, it's very endemic over there. And till today, the gold standard for malaria detection or malaria treatment decision is manual microscopy. WHO mandates that a single sample, which is suspected to be of malaria be examined for 20 minutes by a pathologist. Now a typical lab in Bangalore gets around 300 samples a day suspected malaria cases. Now do you think they actually get to spend 20 minutes examining that sample? The answer is probably no. So again, technology can help this. And finally, it's a very simple problem. It's the cost. The quality medical equipment costs a lot of money, which means that even the biggest hospitals or the biggest hospital chains can only have the best instruments at the central locations only, which means again that the people at the peripheral centers do not have access, ready access to the latest technology. And this is again augmented by the problem that technology changes very fast, but upgrades are only possible through replacements. So if I bought an MRI machine today, and if a new version or a better version comes up tomorrow, then what will happen is that I have to throw away my existing MRI machine and buy a new machine. There is no simple way to upgrade. This is one of the challenges that we are trying to solve at Citadel with a special emphasis. So we have talked about the problems. Now this obviously means that there are a lot of opportunities for us to apply AI and ML into the health care industry. So what are the typical opportunities that come to mind? One is medical signal recognition and segmentation for disease detection, which I think Kiran is also going to talk about after this is that you get a medical image, maybe an MRI or a CT or a X ray, and you automatically detect whether this person has a tumor or a cancer, some kind of cancer has growth. The next is emergency medicine. Emergency medicine is a completely data driven discipline. The doctors say that I do not treat the patient. I look at the numbers, not the patient. Now machine is much better at looking at numbers than a human being. So this is actually a area where AI can make a lot of difference. The next is holistic health care. Now when we go for a treatment, there are multiple tests that are done. I go to the laboratory to get my blood test done. Then I might be going for an ECG, maybe a chest X-ray or whatever. And then all these data needs to be collated together to make a final diagnosis for other decide the course of treatment. Again, AI can help in a big way in this to collect data from multiple sources and suggest the best course of treatment. IBM Watson is talking about this in a big way these days. Drug discovery drug discovery has a lot of experimentation. They try out with different molecules. There are first of all, there is a text based data, which is analyzed. Then there is an image based data as well where they actually take thousands of molecules and see how they react with the different kinds of cells. And this is again done through high, what is called as a high content screening. Due to the manual nature of the process, they can only sample parts of the choices that they make. AI based solution can actually help it make it much more comprehensive and bring down the cost of drug discovery. And this list is ever growing every every day. We make new advances in healthcare. There's a potential application of AI into it. Now today I'm going to talk about mostly about medical signal analysis and now what is a medical signal? The medical signals come in multiple shapes and forms. So we have signals from ECG, which is a one dimensional signal to a CT MRI or an OCT, which is a three dimensional and people are talking about four dimensional images as well where you're looking at a fetal ultrasound. And this interpretation of signals is very, very subjective. It varies a lot from one doctor to another. We have seen that the inter-observer variability between what is normal and what is abnormal or what type of cell this is to what other type of cell this is. If you give it to two doctors or three doctors, the inter-observer variability can be as high as 30%. And AI can, so therefore AI can help standardize the abnormality detection process. It can enable even a junior doctor to actually diagnose or treat patients with the same level of expertise at, as a senior doctor. In fact, I myself have seen this happening in a lab where a junior pathologist will come running to the senior saying, ma'am, I found a cell which looks like a cancerous cell to me in this blood sample. Can you please come and come and have a look? Now the junior pathologist at the central hub of a laboratory has that luxury, but a junior pathologist sitting at a rural hand center or a rural hospital does not have that luxury. This is where AI can help. So I'm going to talk about a few advances in AI towards the medical diagnosis, medical signal analysis in the recent years now. So we'll start with ECG. Now ECG is a, on the face of it, it's a very simple thing. There are a few lines which go, there are patterns and abnormalities in there and it has, it is a very effective and not only in terms of detecting heart failures, but also in terms of cost and it has been perfected over decades. Yet the automated algorithms that have been built so far for ECG signal analysis fall movefully short. The G ECG machine or many of the ECG machines actually come with some inbuilt indicators. They say, okay, this might be a heart attack and all, but the false positive rates are so high that the doctors do not pay any attention to it at all. But this has changed recently. Now the Stanford, there's a ML group at Stanford came up with an ECG analysis platform, which actually they claim is detecting arrhythmia, which is a type of early indicators of heart attacks with the level of competence of a pathologist. What they have done is they have actually used a single lead ECG. So when we normally do an ECG, we have 12 leads fitting into different parts of our body, but they have used a single lead ECG, which could be a wearable device as well and use that to detect potential chances of arrhythmia. Now this actually opens up a new, a new avenue altogether. Now I might be wearing a fitness tracker on my hand and if that keeps sinking my heartbeat data to a cloud, I can actually say that, okay, this person is at risk of heart attack in the next 48 hours. And they have used, they have some 64,000 samples. They could collect it through this wearable device and they trained a 32 layer deep neural network. There is another company called cardiologs in France, which has recently got FDA approval for their ECG analysis algorithm. They have trained on some 200,000 samples. The problem is that both of these solutions, but target only one particular type of disease, which is arrhythmia. So what is missing still till now is that a comprehensive ECG analysis platform, which can detect all types of diseases. Next, I will come to hematology. Hematology is the basically the study of blood cells. So this is what a pathologist sees in a blood, blood smear slide under a microscope. The, the blue things are called white blood cells, which give us immunity. The others are the red blood cells and the small blue dots over here are called platelets, which help in clotting of the blood. What they do is by looking at this, these pictures is they classify these white blood cells into different types, neutrophils, lymphocytes, monocytes, eosinophils and so on. They look for abnormal morphologies. When a disease occurs, these white blood cells undergo more morphological changes, which is indicative of the diseases. And they also look for parasitic infection like malaria in the white blood cells. Now the question is, can AI automate the process? The answer is yes. There, there are actually quite a few solutions for hematology and automation in the market today. We have companies like Medica, Cellavision, Vision Hema and there's a machine which Roche is also coming out with, which actually automate, automatically detect, go through these images and come up with decisions. We have our own solution called Shonith, which we are working on and I'm going to talk about it next. So what they do is basically they have an automated microscope, which takes pictures of the blood from multiple areas in the sample, and then they have an AI or NN based algorithm to detect and classify the different cells. But classification of blood cells is a phenomenally tough problem. I mean, there is so much of interobserver variability that you can hardly be sure. And there is also no public data set on which kind of, I would say, comparison can be made of different solutions. And all of these have varying degrees of accuracy. And most of these are actually pretty costly as well. For example, the Cellavision machine costs, I think close to a crore, which is makes it difficult for most laboratories in India to actually adopt that. And therefore it is yet to these solutions are yet to see white widespread adoption in countries like India. There are several more applications. I just rushed through them. One is detection of diabetic retinopathy from fundus images. Now, diabetes is becoming a more and more critical problem in our society today, mainly due to lifestyle and sometimes due to some other these reasons as well. And the diabetics affects the eye in a big way. It is one of the most common causes for blindness and which is also preventable with proper treatment. Now, Google recently came up with this paper where they actually trained an algorithm with 128,000 images and came up with a F score of some 0.95 towards detecting diabetic retinopathy versus normal. Baidu went one step ahead. They said, Okay, I will not only say whether image is affected with retinopathy or not. I'll also point out which areas of that image are showing the changes due to retinopathy, which makes it more explainable to the doctor as to what the algorithm is saying. This is a 2017 paper itself and there is a company in China called he'll go who are also working on the same problems. Other applications include cancer detection, histopathology images. In fact, this paper on from 2013 is what prompted a lot of companies in this world to actually take on this challenge of applying AI towards the medical domain. These people were not doctors by profession. They were just software engineers or AI researchers, but they took on this problem and they came up with a algorithm and a solution which were actually competing with the level of accuracy of an expert human. So in six couple, I'll just rush through the remaining of it. AI plus what we are trying to do is building smart screening solutions which address the health, the base of the healthcare pyramid, which means that we want to target the tests which are voluminous and which differentiates between a healthy individual versus a diseased individual. We have this platform called Mantana, which is a continuously learning AI platform. It takes in visual medical data of all types, which are ex annotated by your experts. In some cases, the visual medical data is already available. For example, in the diabetic funder scans or x-rays in certain other cases like clinical pathology, the digital data itself is not available. So to counter that problem, we have built our own smart microscope, which is a as you can see from the image. It's a complete sugar has a cell phone camera as as the eye of the microscope and it has a robotic attachment which automates the movement of the sample under the lens. And our first product is called shown it. It is a platform for automated analysis of peripheral blood smear. So the way it works is this. The blood smear slide, which is prepared as a normal course of action in all laboratories is scanned by the smart microscope and the images are uploaded to Montana in the cloud. The month are then actually analyzes these images. It takes out the individual cells, classify them and comes up with a host of statistical parameters about this blood. And the report is now available to the reviewing doctor anywhere in the world on any web connected device, which means that the doctor could be sitting here in Bangalore and the patient could be in Hoobli, but still the diagnosis can go out, which was not possible till now. And after review by the doctor, the report is sent to the patient. This is a sample of the report. We have actually classified some of the cells and group them together. These are called lymphocytes and these are the statistical parameters like what is the cell ratio, cell diameter, what is the cell pallor ratio and so on and so forth. And I'll just briefly talk about a problem that is interesting problem that we are solving. It's I call it the camel problem. Now if I look at this image, which is the camel, the black ones or the white ones? It's actually the white ones. This is taken from the top and these are the shadows of the camels. Now, let us try to see if you can estimate the height and weight of each camel. It's possible if you know what is the spatial resolution. If you know where the sun was, I can do some trigonometry and figure out what is the height of the camel and and I can probably figure out what is the ratio of height to weight and all and do that. What we have is a picture like this. These are real blood cells and what I want to do is find out what is the mean what volume of the cell? What is the mean hemoglobin content of the cell and how many of these cells are there in one microliter of blood? How is that possible? These are two dimension. These are not even though they look circular. They are actually not spheres. They're toroidal in shape. How do you estimate the 3d parameters from 2d images? This is one of the problems that only one company to my to the best of my knowledge is working on in the world, which is Rosh and we are the seconds. So I'll be happy to talk about it later. And we have multiple other solutions based on Mantana. One is Adi, which is the solution for semen analysis. Shrava, which is the solution for urine analysis. Vaksha for chest x-rays, Drishti for retinal scans and Shonet I've already talked about. Thank you. Questions. We're almost about out of time. One question, two questions, maybe. Hi, thanks. So this is an area where when someone's nailed it, it's going to be highly scalable, right? But when someone has nailed a problem in any medical diagnosis, it's going to be highly scalable and providing it crosses enough of an accuracy. It's something that people will probably take up globally. So when you look at these companies or the examples you gave like the Stanford ML project, they seem very laser focused on one particular problem. Yes. Right. And getting that problem, right? Right. And it's going to be winners going to take all at the end of the day. Why are you as a company doing so much? Yeah, it's basically to leverage the power of AI. Now, what is AI? Essentially, you feed it data. If you have enough data, building an algorithm or a building a solution on top of it is not that difficult. So we have been actually leverage able to leverage the power of our platform and the data sources that we have access to to be able to simultaneously work on multiple problems. And in the at the end of it, when you're bringing a solution to a laboratory or a hospital, it is always more appealing if you actually solve a broader range of problems than rather solving one particular problem with a laser focus. We're about to we're out of time. So please continue. He's available.


on our fourth scoreboard it's two to one Toronto in the top of the seventh inning and joining us is Jack Curry. Jack was on it earlier and Jack just want to get your thoughts on what about Gary Cole and what he had to say. Right I listen to you guys give your evaluation. Aaron Boone talked about him outside the clubhouse. Cole talked about his own performance and said some of the things that you guys had already discussed. He really liked the way all of his pitches were performing today. A lot of swings and misses. You talked about the four Seamer you talked about the two Seamer but I also asked about his change up. I said was it your intention to work that change up and more today and he said absolutely that he and Kyle Lagashioca had that discussion before the game. They didn't see a lot of opportunities in the last start which obviously didn't go the way he wanted to allowing four home runs to to use that change up so we saw him flash that a couple of times today. Yeah you mentioned that the four home runs from what I understand twice he gave up home runs on back to back pitches. Ground ball the short for Gleba Torres and Campbell is thrown out at number one in the seventh inning. I asked Aaron Boone about that before the game and he actually said to me it was two home runs. It was only two so two of them I think he felt had a little bit of help with the with the wind but it went down as four and even in spring training game if you're if you're Gary Cole that's not something you you want to see happen. He was definitely pleased guys today with the fact that he got up to 55 pitches was able to get up and get down. It was interesting watching do a little plug here. We've got a show coming out with Gary Cole David Cohn and myself. It's going to be on on the 22nd but off camera listening to the two of them talk. Coney said to him it doesn't the pitch count doesn't matter right. Garrett it's how many times you have to get up and down so they were talking about yeah the pitch counts important but getting up and getting down after each inning is something that's vital. Now the 22nd we have a game and I'm doing it so it's probably going to come on after the game as this ball is hit in the air to right center field it's going to be Zach Zane or the right fielder who makes a catch for our number two so I hope they replay that so I can see it when I get back back north. I hope they do too. And I think they'll I think they'll replay it a lot. So in other words you're like moonlight. You got star shows and stuff out there. I spoke to Gary Cole at the beginning of spring training. I love his pitching mind. Right.  And he was very into it. So we taped it last week and it was great to just watch the two of them or listen to the two of them. It's a nice long ending you had Jack. Thank you. Stay with us. Don't go anywhere. One two was that a fair ball. Now when Reggie Pruitt is coming back to the home plate area now originally the home plate umpire DJ Rubin said it was a fair ball. But I think the ball might hit him in the foot. Hit him in the box. Yeah. OK. All right Jack. Jack keep going full fire. Here's some more bullets. Yeah it looks like it did hit him. Meanwhile Montgomery's been pitching very well and pitches upstairs for a ball. Now Jean Carlos Stanton. Stanton also came out in this new world that we have spoke outside the clubhouse and said that he thinks he's going to get out on a field and run tomorrow. So that's a positive sign right there. He's already been hitting indoors trying to bounce back from that calf injury. He would not give a timetable. He said he's not going to say when he thinks he might get back in a game but it was positive news from a Yankee perspective to hear that there's a good chance that he's going to be on a field running tomorrow. So I read he's been doing some tea and toss and now starting to take BP. Yes inside a cage. He was in fact working out today. His interview kept getting pushed back because Jason Zillow the media relations director every time he was checking on Stanton. He was in there working out. He was in there trying to get himself ready. So as the Yankees move closer opening day they'd like to be as as whole as they possibly can be. So guys like Stanton Sanchez judge waiting to see what the what the future holds for them. Now do any of the players have thoughts on this new situation that we have with the interviews and how they're going to be conducted. They do. Kenny Garrett Cole addressed it and said that I'll tell you what he said next thing was Jack Curry remaining with us. And where were we Jack. Just pick it up right. Garrett Cole's reaction to the new MLB directive about the clubhouse being closed to non essential personnel. Very eloquently stated. Listen with what is going on in the world today and teams trying to be in leagues trying to be as careful as possible. He wasn't surprised to hear that this had come about. He said personally he's been washing his hands as often as he can trying not to touch his face and knows that because of this situation players are going to have to be more accommodating in terms of coming out of the clubhouse to do interviews for the media side of things that John Carlos Stanton said the same thing. He said it's on us to be able to deliver our message to the fans. And so we'll have to make sure that we we come out of the clubhouse and do these interviews. It sounds like the players are going to be accommodating it. You have players especially the star players on teams that are willing to do it. That means the other guys are going to follow. Right. It's a different world for everyone and everyone's getting acclimated to it. Interesting question. Kenny was asked to Zach Britton because he was obviously a member of the Baltimore Orioles when they once played a game at Camden Yards to an empty stadium because of the riots that had occurred in Baltimore. He was asked what that was like. And if he fought something like that could occur in the future. He said he wasn't sure about the possibility that it could occur in the future. But he did say that it was very eerie and strange to play and play in a ballpark of that size and for it to be empty. Well, you know, we hope it doesn't get to that point as the pitch is fouled off by Luke Voight leading off for the Yankees here in the seventh Yankees are down two to one. And we hope this situation with the coronavirus just ends as quickly as possible and people will remain healthy throughout the country and throughout the world for that matter. This is something that we haven't had to deal with very often. Swing at a miss and Luke Voight is struck out by Yamaguchi. You know, a lot of people have had to adjust plans.  And that's certainly not fun. So one half and it'll bring up Miguel and Doohar who's had a single in two at bats. Jack, what do you think about and Doohar? Well, he's a third base today. And it looks like, nope, this is going to be caught by the second baseman Kevin Smith. So two down. He's looked pretty good in left field. He has watching him early in spring training. I thought that he tracked the ball well. I thought he looked comfortable out there. I think you can watch a guy's athleticism and then see how it translates. And I think it absolutely translates for him. I was listening to you and Paul earlier and you hit on the number that I would have said. I've asked friends that same question. How many at bats do you think and Doohar will get this year? And I think 400 is the magic number. I think you have to find a way if you're the Yankees to get his bat in the lineup. And whether it's third base a little, left field a little, first base a little, some DH, that's a dynamic bat right there. You want him in the lineup.  And now he's willing to make the sacrifice to go try other positions or try and get as best as he can at other positions so he can just play. You know, Kenny, I don't know if you ever went through this, but there was a time and even when I came over here that, you know, I went from right field to left field and Cincinnati, I got stuck in center field. And there are times that, you know, you get so worried about your defense because you're not comfortable that you almost forget about the offense part of the game. And that is his strength.  And that's swing the bat. Well, if he makes himself more versatile, that will give him more chances to get in the lineup. And the fact is that Aaron Boone, very good at maneuvering his roster. And as you said, somebody's going to hit over 290 and drive in 90-something runs and hit 20 home. You got to play. And to your point earlier, and to Paul's point, Aaron Boone mentioned that Anduhar was already doing this before the Yankees brought it up with him. He was already saying to himself, I've got to learn how to catch a fly ball. All right. I mean, you know, it's how to catch a fly ball. I have to be better at being an outfielder. I have to get myself more acclimated to these other positions. So that shows an incentive and an initiative there to want to get better. This ball is hit well to center field. Going back is Alford to the wall. This one is gone for Kylie Gascioka. And it's a 2-2 ball game. I think last year, he really caught the attention by the power he showed in Triple A. And this is one of the days where the wind's really not helping the baseball. This dead center field, this ball was hit well. Acts his third home run of the spring. His other two came in the same game in Lakeland against the Tigers. They hit 20 home runs in Triple A last year. Three with the Yankees. And now this is his third in spring training. Always like to watch the reaction of the pitchers. Yeah, head down. That usually means uh-oh. And again, this ball went into the wind and still made it one of the deepest parts of the ballpark. Zack Zaynor to the plate, and he'll take a pitch for a call-strike. Well, how would you like to be, Gascioka? 29 years old. And this is probably the first spring where he sort of knows what his career path is. That job is there for him, the backup catcher job. Yeah, it's amazing that, I mean, he's not... He's been a backup catcher. Does a great job receiving him at one of the longer tenured guys with the Yankees. I think he was drafted in 2008. Cole had a funny line. I forgot to mention this. Obviously with Sanchez having the fever and the back issue, Gascioka caught him today. And Cole said, I think that's the first time Kyle caught me since we were about 13 because they were obviously boyhood teammates in California played on a team together. So they reunited today out there. And now Gascioka has helped Cole and the Yankees out by going deep. So reuniting, it feels so good, right? Peaches and everything. Nice job, Kenny. You know what?  Ground ball to short. It's been all with the throw. Nice scoop at first base by Christian Williams.


This is the SF Productions podcast network People used to tape shows. Let me see. There's a tape already in here. Let me hook this up here. Let me see what we got. Come back with us to the 60s and 70s dwelling place of the lost generation. An era whose heroes, role models, and very lives were molded and formed by weekly installments of favorite television programs. Welcome to the place your parents didn't understand. Welcome to the vast wasteland. Welcome home. I'm your host Mark Schmidbar along with Wilbur Neal and Marty Wiley. And we're here to talk about 60s and 70s television. And tonight we're going to talk about music shows and band shows. So another exciting episode. But before we jump into it, just want to tell you we're on Tuesdays at 6, Wednesdays at 10, and Thursdays at 3 p.m. on ACTV at cable 21. Also, if you want to write to us, you can write to W215. And now on to music shows and band shows. Of course, one of the earliest things on television because it was incredibly cheap to do. He basically hired some local band to come out or some local singer and basically stick a mic out there and do a show. One camera was incredibly cheap. So you saw a lot of it in the late 40s and early 50s and all that. I didn't see any of it. Well, that wasn't born. For those who were born then, you saw a lot of that. But later when we got into the 60s, they started to get more and more complex. Sophisticated. Sophisticated. Sophisticated TV. What was your first reference? I'm just going through my stuff. Well, probably the first recollectable one I'd say would be, well, American bandstand kind of came up through the 50s to the 60s. Right. That was on 57 all the way until 87. Exactly. And it was on for like two more years on like USA or something, one of the cable networks. But Dick Clark was gone by that point and pretty much sold everything. I don't know. Dick Clark never seemed to change. He always kind of looked the same there. His head got a little bigger, his forehead did. I always wonder about Dick Clark. He just kind of stayed the same, you know. I think maybe he's an alien or something. I don't know what the deal was. Well, his father's in the cosmetic business is what it is. Secret cosmetic. Exactly. Those same strange and secret cosmetic things. I'm just convinced he's going to be on some show sometime and they're going to, just in the middle of some show and all of the tucks and the poles and everything are all going to go at once.  Well, let's see the lights. The lights are going to be turned up so bright and all the stuff is just going to melt out of the stage.  I'm picking on all the folks. Anyways. So, but I'd say Bandstand was easily the first recollectable one. Right. And then you jump into something like, although it would go more in the Variety Show kind of thing, I'd say Ed Sullivan. But that's more of the Variety Show kind of thing. Which, by the way, that's what we're doing next show. So we'll try not to venture too far into the Variety Show area. Exactly. Exactly. We're doing music shows this time. Well, I was kind of running alongside of Bandstand with Soul Train. Well, a little later. Yeah, but he did get into the ... Soul Train with Don Cornelius, the man with the biggest microphone on TV. And a beautiful boy. Maybe he did some radio or something before he did Soul Train. So he just had that wonderful speaking voice, like Don Cornelius read Shakespeare or something. But anyway, he did a wonderful speaking voice. And they did kind of pretty much the same kind of things, you know, on there. Except they had the Soul Train line on Soul Train where Bandstand just had like featured dancers or something. Radio record. Yeah. Well, they did a little of that on, no they didn't. No they didn't. I don't remember it. They had the scramble board. Right. Yeah. They had to figure it out. Sometimes it was real hard, like these things will do with three letters. Whatever could it be? And then of course they had the cartoons based on the popular bands of the time. Right. How many popular bands? Let's see. The Beatles had a cartoon. Right. The Hoffman had a cartoon. Yes they did. But that was after the Jackson 5 cartoon. The Jackson 5 which you could still catch sometimes on that. Oh yeah. But they think the Beatles would like always cart me up because it was like obviously not the Beatles. Yeah. Although it could have been Ringo's boys. Yeah. Oh yeah. Couldn't play the drums here. Ringo. Yeah I'd do that. Ringo. What in Ringo? They never got the whole G out. What in the heart of you? Ringo. It was just kind of a softy. All running together. Ringo. This is John Paul George and Ringo. Yeah. Yeah boy. Howdy. And they did a lot of great songs on there. It seemed like they edited down the songs too. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was always fun. Yeah. Because already we're already running into the three minute song thing here because no songs were supposed to go under over three minutes because of that time they just figured it won't sell. If it's over three minutes this song will not sell. So they put it on the cartoon. It had to be on a 45. Exactly. We had to go on a 45. And so when they get it on the cartoon they got to cut it down that much more so it's like you cut out half the instrumental stuff. They're singing too. Sometimes some of them are right in there and they'll be singing. And then it just fades right out. It was sad. But hey that was Saturday morning cartoons. Yeah. But that stuff was Shakespeare compared to stuff like came later. Some of the Hannibal Barras. This is true. This is quite true. Classic. Classic stuff. But some of the like well we'll mention the live action when first partridge family. The attempt to bring the family sitcom and the music show together. Well I'd often heard that the partridge family was loosely based on the the CalSyls. The CalSyls. Yeah. Who did have a special by the way there. It was light after they got to be real popular. Oh when was that. They had out that one album in their song Indian Lake and then they also did that cover version of Hair which was just real popular. So CalSyls were just really out there and then they had a special Buddy Ebson star was guest star on there. He got to dance with what's her name Susie CalSyl or whatever. Little CalSyl.  Yeah by golly they were just like a family of them. Just like a family. They were a family. The partridge family was neat. But the partridge family was cool. But they had that strange disease that seems to hit some shows where the youngest son will disappear and they get somebody else to fill in for and nobody seems to notice. The kid had dark hair and he turned up later. Boom! He's got blonde hair. What happened there?  What happened there? And then they had little Ricky Siegel on the show too. There for a while. I think that's a little monitor kid. That's a little darker kid's name is some like Jeremy Golden Boots or something. I've been looking this up. I've been real well in the credits. But you know what the show's like? We don't have it now. So well maybe it's coming back now with the new squids on the block and stuff like that. David Cassidy with the teen idol. Yes. And you really don't have that a whole lot anymore like that. I don't think it sits as... The pre-packaged, solely designed to be teen idol. Well now what you have is the pre-packaged, solely designed to be toys on the market. Right. Yeah. Because that's where the new kids are. You can find them in your toy store. I don't look for them. I don't look for them, but they're there. I try to avoid them. I know they're there though. I make sure I miss them. I know they're there. This scares me. Here's Jeremy Gelblacks was Christopher Partridge. And then it became Brian Foster. Brian Foster even. Brian Foster. Jeremy was there for one year and then Brian was there for three years. Well that's unfair. The original guy, Boop, you're done. Here's this Ricky Stevens guy you were talking about. Ricky Siegel. Well it was played by Ricky Siegel in the story. His name was Ricky Stevens. Yeah, but his real name was Ricky Siegel. So I made my point. Okay. Here's Reuben Kincaid. Here's Alan Kincaid. What happened here? Probably after... And Alan Kincaid. Probably after he died I assume. And then the Brady tried to like copy. Reuben died? Yeah. No, say it again. And then like the Brady's tried to copy by it, tried to put out their own little pathetic... Brady things here. Yeah, there you go. And it didn't work with the Brady's. Because they were matched up for a long time on ABC. They were like paired up with the eight to nine slot I think. Something like that. Brady for years. Brady, Brady, Brady, Brady. Just two families with too many kids. And then comes this... I don't know what Hannah Barbera was on during the 70s. Some of the concepts they came up with. It was Partridge family 2200 A.D. Were there in space? What is the deal with that? I just don't know. Plain and simply I don't know. I don't know. What was the deal? What's the thing here? What's popular? What's popular? Space, space. We've got families. We've got family shows. We've got cartoons. We've got space. And a little animal. We'll put them all together. We'll put them out in space. And give them like a Jetsons car. They'll fly around in a big Jetsons kind of bus that's painted like their buses. I'm going to kick you. Oh my. This must be a relative of the old TV executive guy. It's a different voice now. Then there were the shows that were like the Banana Splits which was like Beatles for Little Kids. Yeah, all Beatles and Monkeys for Little Kids. Beatles and Monkeys for Little Kids. Because they're bananas. Monkeys, bananas. Yeah, we really connected. And then the Monkeys. Nobody's seven-year-olds are like, wow, the deep significance. Oh, wow. I contemplated it for days. Cosmic, man. Right. And then these guys came along. And this was like what, the only band put together just for television. Exactly. Yeah, pretty much. They wouldn't have got together if it wasn't for the show. They would just put together to do a show. Well, because they had the Beatles out here and you got like all these other English pop groups basically and there was nothing American really. And so some TV and record company executives got together and said, hey, open auditions. Anybody come in and we'll try out. We just want some wacky kids to come in. I didn't know. Charles Manson. Charles Manson. Charles Manson tried out. He could have been a monkey. No. Steven Still? It was either Steven Still or Graham Nash. One of them was going to try out but they told their friend. Their friend Peter. Peter about it. And I think they lent him a guitar. So the legend goes and Peter went on to be a famous movie. Maybe that's another legend. I don't know. Manson tried out. Manson was connected with the Beach Boys actually. But the Beach Boys didn't try anything. They just tried to be as popular as they could for however long. They didn't have a TV show either. That's true. They just had specials like Bob Hope. Who still has specials. Yeah, that's special. And then, well, the cartoons still had quite a few. This guy here, the Archie guy. How many cartoons did they have? There was like everything's Archie. There was the spin-off Sabrina and the Teenage Witch which had its own house band, the Groovy Goolies. Which later got their own show. Yeah. I never really realized there were different shows. Well, they did it kind of a minute ago. It's like they had on Archie for one season and then they expanded it to like an hour and they introduced Sabrina. And then Sabrina got her own show which introduced the Groovy Goolies. But you know, the Archies like had hits. Well, yeah. Because they were another show, I mean another group that was put together. They got a group to sing for them. And that group went ahead. You mean cartoons can't sing by themselves? No. Oh, no. But they did. They got a group to sing. And I still have not to this day found out who that group is. They haven't seen it. The Archies. Well, yeah. Some of the Archies. It's one of those great mysteries of TV. Who were the Archies? Who was the Archie band? It could be anybody by golly. Somebody famous. And from the Archies also, that's where Josie and the Pussycats came on to. Yeah, Josie. They came on. They had a hit or two themselves, I guess. And that's another group. Who were they? Nobody knows. Nobody knows. It was the same group that was doing the Archie. They later went on to do the Jim. Can't have our house band. Jim, yeah. The Jim. The Jim show. Pretty much the same show. Which is funny because the group, the things for Jim and the Holograms, the same group, the things for the Misfits on the show. Oh, well, they're slongs of this long.  Ah, not just sugar. Sugar, sugar. Sugar, sugar, honey, honey, all that. Ah, honey, honey. I mean, I remember these. I'm a candy girl, and you got me wanting you. And you could get an Archie record off the back of some cereal. Alphabet. It was post. It was post cereal. Alphabet of post cereals. Yeah. Alphabet of sugar, Chris.   Or you just take that sucker down to the turntable there. Make sure the edges don't curl up after you cut it out there. And you wouldn't know what the record was until you played it. You had a choice of four, but you wouldn't know which one it was. You got the same one, and you didn't want it, and you wanted to get bang shangling, but you always got sugar sugar. Sugar sugar. What you did? And so what do you do?  So it's just. Oh, that's your limitations is up, I guess. Yeah, I guess it's up. That's it. I would tell. Bye, golly. Bye. Bye, golly. Those records in place. Fun, fun, fun. In the stores with knives all hard. Oh, yeah. Yes. Today's technology wouldn't let you do the miracle of the record on the back of the cereal box. You just see the CD in the back of the cereal box. You'd probably have the CD inside the cereal box. Free CD inside, yeah. Of course, the cereal probably cost like $20, but hey, you got a free CD in there. What a deal. That'll probably happen here in the next five years. Oh, yeah. I'm looking for the new kids on the block cereal, you know. Yeah. The free CD inside. Or wait, new kids cards with free CDs. Get off the new chair. Well, they're like the only people that would probably consent to do something like that. And it's like going to put out like a MC Hammer set of cards. MC Hammer cereal. Hammer time cereal, you know. It's not breakfast time anymore. Hammer time. But then I got together. I mean, the difference between those is like the monkeys and the, we'll put together. And then the show grew. Yeah. And I actually still have my monkey's comic book, which I couldn't find, which I don't know how I ever got it, cost me a whole 12 full cents and how I ever got 12 cents together at the age of seven. Wow. Looks like those were those great gold key comics. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Gold key, who were the great people that did all the comics. Thanks for TV shows and movies back then. It was gold key. Interesting. They were the monkeys, though, was the fact that rather quickly the members kind of started like we're professional musicians, you know, rather than we're people who were put together by. Wait a minute. There were only two professional musicians. But they all acted. Like as the show went on, they started having these serious sessions at the end of the show. It was like, well, obviously they were like, oh, we edited the show and there's like two minutes. Oh, like Frank Zappa would come on with Mike Nessner. And we all took their talk, you know. Wow. What was the deal with that? Yeah, the Zappa Nessner. Well, see, Mike was the actual musician. Peter was an actual musician. Yeah. And David Jones was actually a stage actor from England. Mm-hmm. And Mickey Dolan, of course, was brought up on TV. As circus boy. As circus boy. Yes. He learned, I guess he was a guitar player. And they said, no, no, you look like a drummer here. Yeah. And he learned how to play the drums. And well, of course, they had good writers backing them up on. Sure. I mean, who was it? Hart, what was his name? Boyce and Hart? Boyce and Hart wrote a lot of their tunes. Ness Smith wrote some of them. Right. And somebody like Neil Diamond. Neil Diamond, yeah, he wrote them. Carol Kane, they're not Carol King. Carol King. Neil Diamond wrote I'm a believer. Should we write Pleasant Valley Sunday? Something. Let's see. Yeah. Carol King and Jerry Goffin wrote Pleasant Valley Sunday. Here in the status of the land. Step a stone, Boyce and Hart. Okay. Not just step a stone. Boyce and Hart pretty much wrote a lot of it. That's because they didn't have their own show. I guess not. The Boyce and Hart show. Boyce and Hart show, yeah. Well, didn't, didn't, no, that's Jan and Dean. Okay. Yeah. Never mind. I think who went around that, that curve there and got messed up. Okay. Then we got, then we got older and I see you've got like the show that we grew up to. Those of us who, who like grew up on the monkeys and whatnot. Don Kirschner. Don Kirschner's rec answer. Well, before that was midnight special. Right. Yeah, but those kind of, those kind of grew up together. Yeah. It was like midnight special was, was I don't know, it was more fun. Don Kirschner was just Don Kirschner. There was, there was nobody else there, but Don Kirschner was just around the different places and record different groups in action. And I'm a Weasel record producer. When I'm laughing all the way to the bank. Thank you very much. And then midnight special, they would have like guest hosts and things. Oh man! That was one of them. Wolfman back. All right baby baby, Wolfman back. I got his That guy has a gravelly his voice and you know I'm radio and now he's doing country He's on the national channel That could be his own fault Too much 70s for And that was basically the Yes Okay, I'm not I can't because I love he's a great guy That was basically the predecessor When midnight special ended which according to this so shoot where is it? 81 that's basically when Friday night video started Somewhere around there, you know video. It's not the same yeah, even if it's a band live band video It's still a video. Yeah, it's like when it's Exactly Gonna miss a note. It's just too polished now. There's no there's no thing or two drunk to go on tonight There's no margin for error. It's all it's all it's a done deal I mean the only thing I think the closest you can come to like live music on stage is still one Saturday night live has band Yeah, and they always had some like real if only Lauren would learn Michaels would get a better idea is Some of the stuff he picks is like well. These are interesting. This is Great stuff, and they've also had some stuff that I think only Lauren might like Oh, that's much better But let's see Well, so we had oh a hullabaloo well hullabaloo now here Well, hey, if you're gonna mention hullabaloo, you got to mention shindig there you go pretty much the same It was like we we were driving around we're heading south one time going to Somewhere south we passed by where they did one of those shows. It was either hullabaloo or shindig It was the old studio. It was like old No, we just pass. Hey look It's like this old concrete building there and I said this was where we did that show It's like they're big claim to fame. This is like 79 or 80 and the show was on only back in the 60s Yeah, I used to watch Bobby Goldsboro shows kind of syndicated deal. Oh, yeah There's a lot of syndicated stuff in the 70s Bobby Goldsboro show kind of spun off of the Glenn Campbell show, which kind of spun off of the Link Cal Bell show Spun off of the part done with the Smothers Brothers, right? Well Bobby Goldsboro show was like a half hour. It's pretty cool show if you like country poppish music Oh, yeah, but it did growing up where I grew up. You watched he ha and the country kind of show That was kind of all that was really on at that time. I mean any of the music shows were kind of the Because I've got taken over the the that was that was the height of the whole the whole country The folky Everyone's getting their cb's and putting them in their car and here we go. Oh, you're talking tom t. Haughton. Yeah There you go. Got a mighty convoy I see uh, Nashville on the road, which was on until 83 pop goes the country so 74 and 82 and um Music hall america, which is only in 76. Mm. And uh, of course the granddaddy of all those country shows I used to be subjected to was the porter wagner show Nothing ran Dolly and her box is a brain It was like breeze would alternate you get towels. You'd get glasses. Which one is it gonna be we're gonna get towels We're gonna get glasses. It's surprising every box. So we just really don't have Once again, okay Well, now we'll see that's the thing now. We uh, uh have videos that's pretty much the planet I mean you look at these references and almost every single one was right The the ones that lasted the longest Basically was right when mtv kicked in It was like boom and that's the end of the whole thing. You're done. You don't need any of these shows They got the mtv 20 hours a day.  That's where wolfman jack is now You know in a way the monkeys those kind of shows kind of gave birth to the video. Oh, sure Definitely. Oh surely easily. Of course the monkeys blatantly ripped off Beatles But I mean as far as their style of Videos but they didn't call them that then There were I mean help and songs in music Music music and music and songs in music songs in movies, right Songs on tv shows with lots of little benny hill type bits of running around fast Bouncing people and going cross streets Things like that. Yeah And then mike is probably he's considered mike nesbeth is considered one of the pioneers of modern video Sure, it's not the pioneer of modern videos like him. I'm Todd rungren Bowie Frank zappa also I mean he's even though he wasn't actually in on doing the actual video that he was in under production of a lot of Those are considered the but mike I mean springing from the monkeys here. So certainly we've We've gone again now gotten to the point that videos have Pretty much permeated the whole the whole medium now. Exactly. I mean and I think and that's one of the reasons that I And this is I don't want to get too much into this because that well because we have one minute for one thing And the other reason is we're going to be doing variety shows next week I'm going to get into this and how videos have an effective variety shows But anyways Just a couple notes before we're out of here Again, we're on Tuesdays and six Wednesdays at 10 and Thursdays at three and just a little note for People who like to watch old tv shows. Just wanted to tell you about This is not an ad by the way, but the comedy channel And ha which are the two comedy networks now Fighting it out. Well, they're not fighting it out anymore because they're now going to be merged into comedy tv sometime next year And you can see one of those great other great bands that was on a show on the comedy channel What? Lance link and the evolution revolution Parents listen to those lyrics listen to those lyrics real close. It's monkey It's monkey's playing the band but listens to those lyrics. That's right. That's another group who sings these songs We just don't know so right in and tell us who are singing these songs But anyways, I think we're about out of here. So for all of us at bass wasteland We'll see you next time with variety shows. Good night everybody


What what are all these items here for monkey? Well, we're kind of gonna play a little game, okay? and You're going to have five tries to scoop the fork in to the lovely fluffy stuff And you're going to put it in here But it's going to be first of all you're gonna be blindfolded and second of all you're gonna have it on top of your head So you got to go like this and go up is the winner Sorry, that'd be nice to me. Maybe we should have used the spoon But we thought the fork might be a little harder Maybe it'll be easier because it might stab in. I don't know. We just trying to make it a little more interesting So we've got these kind of fluffed up When she's dumping out of the bag and while she was looking for blindfold I went ahead and got them kind of taking apart so they don't stick together You know, so it's a little more a little harder and a little more fair Fillowy Huh fillowy fillowy Billowy fillowy billowy. It's billowy billowy. Yeah, like a cloud is billowy Yeah, I'll call it fillowy Fillory talking for a minute. So anyway, um, yes, it's fillery So I hope you guys like the last two videos not getting very much many views here lately for some reason I've been trying to get one out at least once a week It's hard to do work and you know by the time we get home and everything's after six o'clock usually Yeah, yeah, so, you know and then the editing and Which doesn't take that long to edit No, it's just because I'm used to but it does take a while to save it and then You know, we got good internet connection now So it doesn't take that long to upload four or five minutes Maybe but it's the saving Usually takes about 20 minutes just to save a 10-minute video. It's all it's all a movie maker. We do have power directed Which we got a pretty cheap or we get for 49 bucks or something And it does all kinds of stuff and and it's good now I'm gonna use that for like when we get back into paranormal investigations I'm going to use that because it is a better program, but right now. I'm just using Movie maker. So I mean it's good enough for these kind of videos anyway So we've been looking for some things to do and It is Saturday, which is kind of like our Friday because we're off Monday and a lot of you guys are too But let's get back to the game here. You want to go first? Nope.  I can't stop looking at that screen But I want to make sure we're still in the show in the shot, you know, yeah So you got to take your hat off there here. Okay, and I'm gonna blindfold you. Okay Why am I nervous? This should work pretty good This this work pretty good.  This one is your glass.  Well, I don't want to touch The cost you that glove on I don't want to touch cotton balls, but Make sure the ford's right. Yep, you're doing fine. You count for me Count for me that scoop one That's scoop two three You're getting there. Look at the ball that's sheet. No, I was holding this so it didn't go on the floor It was getting ready to fall One more scoop one more scoop five Wow Okay, now I did feel a cotton ball, but we're not guessing so that Really doesn't matter. We're just going by how who has the most. Yeah, that's all we're doing. Okay.   So I'm gonna see Oh, by the way, monkey's doing a video behind us part of it on How she's cleaning her cookie pans. She's trying like an experiment so far.   You did very well. I can't believe it because you had nothing the whole time Okay, seven there's two on the table, but they don't count. So there's seven cotton balls. I got now The loser has to go through the outro the goodbyes and everything with grease on their face Red grease. Yes, really? Yeah, really Make sure I don't lose And where is this grease coming from? I've got grease in there I remember when I packed your wheel bearings when we first got together. Really? Yeah, I got a whole tub of it Don't give me acne. No, it will not It's not like it's just gonna be Like three one two three I'm used to having grease all over me When I did the brakes on the truck Had that big Somebody commented on that was like because he was cool. He's like I'm the same way, you know I light up cigarette and you know, I smoke and just get started on something He says Somebody might have been even been him that said love the grease on the news thing or so I didn't even know it till I started editing and editing the video It's your turn monkey We have a wireless mic here, so hopefully you can hear us. We have the air on yeah, it's hot. Yeah, it's very hot in here Too tight. No Can you see? No. Oh my I can't see it off. Okay. She can't see because if she just saw what I just did She didn't really How'd you know where I was at? I feel you Okay, here's your here's the fork. Here's the bowl The bowl is right here. This is the edge towards you All right, one two three go Oh Don't touch it with your hands No There's a scoop to Goop three Can't you hear it? Yeah, goop four So three on your last scoop you had three of them. Yeah, but they fell down on your last No, these don't count because it wasn't on the board So I got four. She has got four ladies and gentlemen one two So that's very three four Well, there's there's times I was going three Like he's about to drop them. Yeah, you had nothing on there. There'd be nothing in there Said grease because he knew he's gonna win I've already been funny, right?  You know cuz you'd be you know More more more the merrier, right? Really?  Will it stay my face?  She's such a sport. Oh what an amazing woman So anyway guys tomorrow if it's not raining too hard We did find two houses To explore didn't we today today? Didn't we? Yeah, we did And so it's not rain too hard work. I should have video taped them right then But I'd seen fresh tire tracks where we was at. I'm not sure about the place But I think it'll be all right. So it's not raining too hard more We're gonna go check him out and I also did some traipsing around in the woods today to try to find a plane that had crashed not far from here that's still there it crashed in 2014 and If I can get there and find the craze site I was looking for today when I got home I Google mapped exactly where I was I pinpointed where I was Some Google Maps I seen I was probably within 50 yards of that plane It's very dense in there. So You know, but I was close and I knew I was close. So anyway guys. Thanks for watching Make sure you watch monkeys Video and cleaning their pants. I'm gonna let her clean up. She suffered enough. And so anyway guys again Thanks for watching share our videos follow me on Instagram Facebook And what's the other one? What's the other one I got can't remember the name of it really? Yeah Anyway, check me out That being said Monkey's out. He's out. Wish a bear. I'm gone. Thanks for watching guys. Bye. Bye. Have a good weekend