Welcome. Hey, this is the Microsoft Community Office hours and joining us this morning. So you've got your regulars, myself, Christian Buckley, Sean McDonough rocking the headphones and the orange t-shirt. Maybe should we start up? Not quite orange. Oh, red. Yeah, there you go. It's classic. Nice. Mr. Eric Riz. Hello. Hello, Mr. Buckley. Mr. McDonough, nice to see you gentlemen here this morning. How are you? Doing well. And for everybody that's watching, so we are live streaming across multiple locations, LinkedIn, live, Facebook, as well as Periscope via Twitter. So feel free to be monitoring different areas. If you have any questions, you'd like us to attempt to tackle. I do have some questions queued up. Sean, Eric, do you have anything that's like burning questions from the community that you want to discuss in this hour? I didn't write my part again. No, I'm a total slacker. I was busy enjoying Father's Day and my birthday last week. So that's nice. Well, and we are still recovering two weeks now from National Donut Day. Yeah, which can't forget that. In this household, I can guarantee you, I think we're all putting on excess donut poundage right now. Well, it's such a, it is a religious holiday, and therefore it's a special time of year. We have gone out and purchased donuts two other times since then. So we just, we have to, you have to taper down. Okay, you can't ramp up to that and then just stop. So true. And you can't just go cold turkey. No, no, no, because I think that's dangerous. I think it's medically dangerous to go cold turkey on a donut. Agreed. And I'm sure there's some medical data out there that would agree or disagree. Absolutely. Yeah. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. Of course, the empirical research. Yes, of course. I thought so. All right. So, well, we do have, so I've got a couple of questions that have come in that I thought were interesting. It's funny to see like the themes. I've seen a couple of questions posted out on the, in the Facebook communities around Office 365 and Teams. The traditional stuff like, how do I back things up? They're the same questions that come over and over again. You know, when is Teams going to have all these cool features that Zoom has? That's a very common question that you see again and again. Here's a Teams question. And so I'd love to get your guys thoughts around this. So this comes from Dirk. He asked this on the 19th in the Teams group that's out in, is part of the Collab 365 community out on Facebook. And I think there's like 20,000, maybe even like 40,000 members of that community. It's pretty, pretty big. But he says, maybe here, there's someone here who can help me. I have some problems with the video and sound quality in Microsoft Teams. All right. So he says, I've heard that. I don't know how to answer that. That's, that's a tough one. Well, so here it is. So I'd like to get your thoughts on that. So he says, his firm has a fast network. They're in infrastructure, secured the firewall, the standard stuff. When someone behind the firewall connects to a person outside the firewall, so the home office, the quality is fine. I can see a connection directly from the home office to the firewall IP. If that call joins a third person, the quality problem starts. The video rate drops as I see jitter and lag. Sometimes the sound quality is rather bad. And what I can see the direct connection is closed and all connections are to servers from Microsoft UDP. If I bypass the firewall, the connections are better. So there must be a firewall problem. I tried to switch off the intrusion detection system. Nothing happens. Bad quality. I opened the known ports like Microsoft described. The same bad quality switch off the web filter. Nothing just bad quality. And then says, does anyone have a hint for me how I configure my firewall? Well, depends on the firewall because I mean, I have, I've had experience with this before. Layer seven inspections will definitely impact anything that's doing intrusion detection and live packet inspection will affect things. Other than that, if you've got any QoS features, quality of service features on your firewall, you may try and enable those for teams related traffic. If the firewall is smart enough, I mean, it really comes down to the firewall in a lot of cases. We would have to know what you're working with to give better advice than just that. I would think. Yeah, I know that that's feedback that I hear from a lot of people. I think there needs to be more discussion around that. I have no idea what Microsoft is working on to improve. But I mean, it's a fairly common complaint that I hear from people. Yeah, anything that involves media streaming and whatnot. If your firewall has the ability to boost packet priority through quality of service rules and give priority to that traffic, that is going to help it. Is the firewall old? Eric was talking about. He's taking ownership for dinging sounds. Exactly. See, Christian and I have a language. It's all based around ice cream and dairy products. But he understands exactly that. In basements, yes. Exactly. In basements. Yeah, but if you've got any additional input regarding what firewall you're running, what you've got, look at the age of the product, older firewalls, especially. Don't implement some of the common protocols and standards that Microsoft will use in terms of both filtering and compression algorithms, whatnot. What it will allow through, how fast it will process the data. General rules like that. Microsoft tries to remain fairly neutral on these kinds of products. But you still see occasionally you have guidance of, not to say authorized solutions, but those that have been configured specifically to work with Microsoft networks. I don't know if that's the case for firewall products that are recommended Microsoft recommended firewall products. But I have not seen any article specific to that. The other thing that'll truly kill it, and this is true for all Office 365, Microsoft 365 traffic, if you have an authenticating firewall. Because that authentication adds another third step potentially in a handshake in that the packet's going out. And Microsoft recommends that you white list any destinations, particularly on Microsoft's network, their IPs, host names, and just do not run authentication on traffic going to those sources.  Well, it's interesting that I get another question here that's getting more into this training of thought around Azure AD Connect, Azure AD. Let's see. Chris asks, not sure if this is the right group for this question. Here it goes. This was in the Office 365 group. I have a customer that wants to enable the following. When a user logs into their domain join device using their domain credentials, they shouldn't be prompted for credentials when opening an Office 365 application. They have AD Connect syncing with Azure AD using past the hash authentication, however, they don't have SSO selected. Will selecting the SSO checkbox give them the desired result or something else needed? I think it's certainly a first... Well, I'm talking a lot here. Riz, you got any thoughts? I think you're absolutely right, Sean. I was way too easy. Well, let's go back to the first question, since I wasn't afforded the opportunity to jump into that one. You have to just take the reins, Eric. There's no... Come on. You guys know I'm so shy and timid. This is all new to me. It's a gentle flower. That's right. I've noticed some very, very... A gentle flower. Sorry. I've noticed some very good things happening with some clients and in my own environments with Teams and it affects sound completely off the conversation of firewalls and packets and things. For whatever reason, as soon as Teams comes on my machine, my fan heats up right away and it starts charging away. So that's a problem. And I've noticed that the fan seems to throttle with the amount of people that are on the call. So here, there's three of us and it's chugging away. You can probably do it, because I'm... You've got an old machine? Sorry? You have an old machine? Yeah, it's a DX266, but it's really... I can't turn it off. It's been working for so long. Have you looked at Task Manager while that's happening and seen how much of a team is using...  And as soon as you have Teams on, everything starts to get affected. Well, I believe it's the case. Don't quote me. But if you have Adobe Creative Cloud, Teams, OneDrive and Chrome browser open, your system could explode. Yeah. Really sure. Watched in as fires have been... And you wonder why I haven't been on these for a couple of weeks. But it's basically because my last laptop... Is this better, Eric? Eric, I'm so sorry. You're experiencing this. If I could be there for you and have that and the little ferment and rub your back, I would do that. We need the gentle music track running in the background right now, too. Give roughly eight seconds and you'll have it. Yeah, I suspect you're right, Eric. So this is a laptop, right? This is a laptop. You have any compressed air? That's a very personal question, Sean. You know what I mean. I know. That's a different... That's a clinical discussion. I do have some compressed air. Of course, you know that I'm cycling a lot these days since I'm stuck in the house. So the whole combustion conversation is really quite personal for me. Well, catch him after lunch and then you'll get compressed air. Liam, by the way, waves hello. And he says, now I know why I have 128 gigabytes of RAM. So yeah, it's another way to solve that. Flash in that, huh? Yeah, he got a nice new system recently. But I was going to say with the compressed air, particularly if you've had the laptop a long time, blowing the fans out because the efficiency drops quite a bit and you get dust in those, particularly around the CPU components. And so you get less exchange of the heat. Well, there was a question I want to go back to about 25 minutes ago, which was something about the whole sound quality issues. And there's so many things, exactly. Turn up your hearing aid. Hearing aids on the inside of the ear. As I was saying at some point, anyway, check. You can check the individual systems, too, to try to alleviate some of the stress on the machines because I'm living proof to the fact that just because you see teams and it seems to operate correctly doesn't mean it's actually happy. And there's a lot going on behind the scenes of the laptops. I've noticed that strange things, too. We've talked about in the past that the days of plug and play are long gone, where I have the same configuration. I've got my standard mic. I've got my primary. I've got multiple webcams. So I have my primary. I go into most teams' meetings or any other web meetings and the conditions have not changed. And occasionally I'll log in and it will have switched my camera. Or it will have switched the default mic. It's like, system was not turned off. I touched nothing and yet logging into multiple meetings and things happen. And I'm sure I accidentally bumped my mouse or I breathed inconsistently and Cortana picked up on it and changed something. Who knows? I told you before, you need to stop breathing. It does really inhibit your body. I'm going to write that down this time. Thank you, Eric. Occasionally, devices will fall off the USB bus. And when they reconnect, you will think that it's been there consistently. But if it's fallen off and it's in active use or it's being referred to as a default device for something, that'll change the setting. My computer has fallen off the bus? What? The short bus. The short bus. Luckily, do you have a lot of tenants that you're running for teams? I have, yeah, there's like a, well, I'm not in... Well, so, yes, I'm a member of about a dozen different guests. It's really a yes or no question. I have one. Yeah, so open at the same time. Is that what you're asking? It takes a very simple question. I'm a member of a lot of gifts and tenants. So I have two main goals here. I just want to be completely transparent with everyone. One, I do want Sean to admit coffee through various orifices. So I'm going to take this one. It might happen. We've still got 45 minutes left. I think we got pretty close on that one, but it wasn't... Yeah, it was close. That's a running goal for all of us. Yes, Eric. Thank you. Again, there was a point that I was going to make. It was quite factual in content. And here it comes. So sit down. When you switch tenants, I've seen a lot of change to default settings between tenants. Though it looks like the same thing to you when you're just going, you know, click, there's my little head, click from here, go to there. Okay. Now I'm in the XYZ tenant. All of your configuration could have changed. If you are jumping around a lot during the day, as a lot of people are with multiple clients and multiple things that are going on, that sounds crying now. Um, double check. Double check you're setting, especially before you start a call or something that's serious in nature because I've seen a lot of things preset or fall off when you're changing things around. That's helpful. I'll have to watch that. And I was, so I am like a lot of people. I'm sorry?  Yes. Well, that is true. I'd like the record to show that I was helpful. One. Okay. So what I do try to minimize some of that, you know, toggling back and forth between the team's desktop application. So I use Rambox and I have, you know, three primary tenants that I am logged into as tabs in Rambox. And for those that aren't familiar with the Rambox, it's a free tool that's out there. I don't know what the paid version does or doesn't do, but it, yeah, do you want to go find that while I'm chatting it up? I will do that. Thank you. That is a to-do.  The other nice thing about that is I can have multiple different services that are open. Thank you. So I actually have across my Rambox, I'm going to show you this. Let me show it right here for those that are watching the live. So I actually have Gmail, my WhatsApp family, so I've got multiple teams, tenants, messenger. So it's really nice to have all of those tabs. I have that open. It does the notifications across all of those different messaging services all in one place. I don't have to have multiple browser windows open. I have that one application that I can open and close and it's logged in all those locations. And I get the notifications across the top of them when somebody comes to me. For me, I know a lot of people have this problem where I'll hear the bell go off, some notification somewhere, and then you find yourself digging to find where is that notification coming from? Which service? It never happens to me. And I know it's painful of those people too. And I know we all have those people that we collaborate with. You're having a conversation in a chat in Teams and a few minutes go by and suddenly you'll get same thread of discussion via Facebook Messenger. And you're like, what are you doing? And they moved over for some reason, checked Facebook, opened up a chat and just started following the conversation. So I find that one person in general that goes in between Teams, Facebook Messenger, and Telegram. And Liam, it's not you. It's not you, Liam. It's me. But I did that to Liam the other day and he called me on it immediately where we usually chat via Telegram. And so I have to remember which friends I chat with and which tools. You see, if you were completely honest and open with everyone, you wouldn't have these problems. It's true. It's true. Transparency, Christian. It's very important. Thank you. Well, let's see. Rampbox looks a lot like a docker kind of thing. Yeah. Let me see if there's any other questions that came through here. More backup discussions. Either of you guys have much experience playing with HIPAA? Hungry, hungry HIPAA? Hungry, hungry HIPAA. I saw a pain in my fingers. Yeah, a little bit of experience, both as a consumer and having a loved one effect by HIPAA quite a bit, which is my wife, and implementation and following the rules. Yeah, just somebody asked kind of a broad question, but as anybody having any experience configuring a Microsoft account to HIPAA, they're looking to use the new healthcare templates and teams, and we're just looking for recommendations. So it's kind of a general question if you had any specific lessons learned. Good. Yeah, I'm not familiar with the templates. Yeah, neither am I. How about you, Riz? Not really on the template side. The big thing, as you guys both know, I'm in Toronto, and the big thing up here is release of medical information for hockey players, and whether or not they are testing positive for COVID or not. So apparently the rule is if the media knows about it, they can talk about it, but the team isn't confirming their denial. So it's very entertaining. That's important stuff. There hasn't been an NHL template for teams yet that's come out to support it. Yeah, that would be kind of cool. Yeah, ice hockey is critical to conversation here in the U.S. Oh, yeah. Well, come on, Eric. Every other time I said ice in front of hockey, you got mad at me, but this is one time you just let it pass. I was waiting for you to take a breath. It never happened. Even then, you still do it. Okay, so question. It's just called hockey, but let's get it out there. I thought you instructed them to stop breathing. Yeah, the instructions are just that. There are more guidelines. There's no real execution. It's kind of like governance in teams. It's nice to talk about, but it fails in execution. New York Islanders had a third string center named Hubee McDonough. He used to call him cousin Hubee. Played briefly for the Islanders and was bumped back down to the farm teams. But yeah, we like to think we have a stake in hockey. I played hockey in college. Did you? Ice hockey? The only one. You are completely ruling out intramural field hockey. Well, no one calls field hockey hockey. They call it field hockey. He has a point, Kristen. I'm glad we have a moderator here. It really makes the conversation easier. Are you adding a point to your score there? I thought that was his usefulness. How many got right in question? Oh, that's right. That's an unofficial one. Yeah, it would be, it would really be repetitive if I just show it every time. You know, the viewers, the viewers are keeping track at home. Showing it every time would be the definition of repetitive repetition. Yes. Exactly.  So you're just going to show it to the end? This is the play at home version. Well, I can't just, I can't just set the expectation of what it just has to be spontaneous. That's true. Okay. I mean, we all know that Liam is keeping track at home. I'm sure he is.  In a far more insidious way, too. He's already hacked into my system. In fact, his hand just came through my laptop and grabbed my pen and put a one down beside my name. You're lucky that's the only thing it grabbed. I feel quite violent right now, I must be honest. So here's an actual question. Arne asks, are there any limitations for assigning licenses to guest users? I use teams for education purposes without qualifying for an education license. I'd like to add students as guests, but assign licenses to them for some time. I'd like to know if I could assign licenses like an Enterprise F1 license for the time of our course, approximately three months or so. So they can see, for example, videos hosted on stream and remove the license later so that they have normal guest access to teams forever without me having to pay forever. Is that possible? So a few questions that I've noticed on there about people trying to play the licensing game with free licenses. And somebody else was asking a question before we jump back to this one about, well, I've got two free accounts. Can I have the same domain on both so I can continue to not? So if I add from the second batch of free over to the first one, then I'll have to pay to have that many users under my domain. Can I have my domain on these two free tenants? The answer is no. One domain per tenant or multiple domains on a tenant, but a domain can only live on one tenant. One to one mapping, yes. Yeah. One call at one trip. There's no duplication there. But so with education licenses, so this issue about using them for students and adding them as guests, but assigning licenses to them for some time. I mean, my first thought was like, well, if you've got a batch of license, if you're doing one class at a time, you can always add those individuals in on those paid licenses at the end of that course, then remove them. They go back to reassign those, but then they lose them that access that history. So they can be on there as guests, but that'll be it'll be separate from the account that was used as a paid licensee. Right.  And now I'm a guest and it still have access to my history and the account and everything that for all intents and purposes that user is gone. Yeah, I'm not a licensing expert. And I think I don't think they exist in the microphone. It's like the unicorns and rainbows. They don't, everybody talks about them, but nobody's found one. The, yeah, you're only going to get continuity of the account as long as I don't think the data is going to actually go anywhere for some time, but Well, the data wouldn't go there anywhere. I mean, as long as you as the license holder is the domain owner and admin, you retain all of that.  Right. But I'm thinking of it as I'm thinking it from the continuity for the user's perspective. Their perspective, you know, they can't assume that they're going to have access to that data if they lose their license and move forward. Right. But, you know, it's like, like you said, for any other user, if I'm the administrator of that tenant and I roll somebody out, I'm going to get access to their data. I can reclaim it and do what I will with it. Right. And they should be doing that. But that's about the only continuity you're going to get. Well, one caveat there is though, if you have a, you know, sort of 90 day class, three month class, and you have a student that is gone for the next 90 days, doesn't take that class, it comes back to that same professor, you know, three months later for another class. And when the admin is going in, when the teacher is going in and adding them all back in, you can always reassign that or assign that individual back to their earlier profile. There's still a history of that profile in the system. Yeah. You can re-enable that. In fact, best practices when it comes to directory management is never to really delete users. You mark them as disabled, you may deactivate their account, but don't delete them because that runs in, that potentially creates referential integrity problems. And everybody knows with SharePoint, for instance, when you delete a user out of SharePoint, that data becomes, you know, orphaned and has resulted in other problems. So I'm sure it's the same with other systems. So strange irony here, Sean, as you're talking, your volume is coming in and out, but I think your mic may have just slipped down a bit. There you go. Yeah. Okay. Sorry about that. Yeah. So, I mean, strategically, I was going to go back to the point that Sean just made, which is it wasn't clear to me who the person was that was asking the question. Are they an administrator? Are they a specific instructor, teacher, professor? What have you?  So if the person who's asking the question is an instructor, then the conversation should go to a different level in the person or body who is actually identifying and applying licenses. And the individual should just be making a recommendation that, yes, all these people need actual licenses in order to view the following information, as opposed to trying to find workarounds. Because if he's having this issue, other people are having the same issue. True. There's a better way to answer the question from a higher level. Hey, Eric, has anyone ever commented that you look a bit like Jake Gyllenhaal? Actually, yes. Yeah, it's the hair. It's... Ah, it's more than the hair. It's... You know, I've been called worse. And you sound a bit like him, too. Oh, thank you. Thank you. It's the acoustics here in my office. The door is down the right. If the locks are closed, I sound more like him. But if everything's open, which strangely never happens, then, yeah, not as much. I still... It makes me think of Ignite with my grandson, where my daughter put the fake beard on him. And I did the side-by-side with Riz. I'm looking for the picture now, so I could put it on the screen here. Oh, man. There he is. Hang on. There we go. Oh, I don't have the side-by-side. But here was the picture that was one of those aging apps. That's fantastic. So I put Izzy side-by-side with Eric. It was hilarious. That is my child. On the start card, I award you no points for that one, Christian. Come on. Give him half a point. How old is young Izzy now? He is 10 months. He's walking. He is in the mobility phase. Yes, it's funny. So yeah, he's now looks like that. Wow. You kid. He's got mine. Is he going to sport your due there? Yeah, we'll see. I don't know, the workmen's, my son-in-law, they don't lose hair in their family either. So he's going to have a healthy head of hair. He'll likely be shorter than all of his cousins. But I've got my three boys, which are all taller than me. They're all six, two, six, three, six, four. And then my daughter, who's more hobbit-like. Or to be clinically correct, not six, two, six, three, or six, four. Correct. So yeah, which is, it's funny, I've got six sisters. I think both of you guys know that, and they're all hobbit-esque. And yeah, and yet a couple of them have just giant children. So good times. All right, let's see, no other questions right now in the watch party. If anybody's watching on the live stream and wants to ask some questions. Yeah, any other topics you want to bring up while I look across other devices here, Sean? Comes to me, huh? I do not at the moment. I'll try and manufacture one for your next go round. By manufacturer, do you mean make up completely off the top of your head, or? If I cannot find a better stand-in. Got it. It's actually from a live person as opposed to my imagination. Yeah, well generally we'll go, Eric. And we'll pull from a couple of the communities, the AMA communities out on Facebook. Usually a ton of questions that are asked there. I got an interesting question here as we were talking just through email. Clearly really topical and poignant, efficient and time-tensitive. Someone wants to know if I'm available for a conference call tomorrow at 2 o'clock. That's, I love that. I love those completely random emails that come in when people just send you invites. This is now graduated on the marketing side to invites. They send you an invite for tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Right. So that it will pop up and remind you that they're harassing you. Now, is that, Eric, let me ask, is that there's two, it could be two about two things. One, third-party lead generation services. Correct. Or two, outsourced engineering to another part of the world. So engineering services. So it's one of those two things. I don't know when the company's going to figure out that sweet spot of lead gen services specifically for companies that don't want outsourced engineering services. There's got to be some opportunity specific, a marketing campaign, tired of getting just standalone lead gen and getting pinged by these outsourced engineering firms. What we do is, okay. I had one, I'm just trying to go over time while Sean had things up a question, but I have one great story on this, which was the most interesting lead gen marketing piece that I've ever seen. It happened a few months ago and it was two people, probably really only one person with two email addresses, but two people who had a conversation about what to provide me with and what they thought we could use with each other while copying me in the CC field. So it was, hey, Tom, I really think that Eric could use this list and access to this part of our MVP and let's discount on 50% because he looks like Jake Gyllenhaal. Can we do that? And then 35 minutes later, the other person would respond, also copying me again, and say, no, we can give them all these things, but the discount is too large, but I guess since you offered it already, we could still extend it, call in the next 29 minutes, and there's a little ticker at the bottom. That was, it was annoying, but very entertaining. I thought that was really creative of this person or these people. Wow. Eric, you got insights into their sales process. Did you take advantage of that awesome deal? I did call within the 29 minute limit. Three monthly installments of $9.99. That's right. I shared, actually, Gerson, I gave him your credit card, ironically, where I happen to have this conversation. Yeah, I shared some insights of my own, particularly words that had four letters in them, which was particularly appropriate at that time. Hey, related to this though, through LinkedIn, and I had posted out there, got a lot of Twitter and Facebook responses and comments on, and I wasn't joking. I said, my daily process now is that I go through and I'm, the first thing I do is I clean from my inbox all of those items that came through that didn't get picked up by the filters in Office 365, and it happens, and I don't stress about it and freak out and scream via social about what comes through the filters. If you ever go look at your spam folder and how many hundreds per day did not get through, I'm thankful to only have a handful per day. My second step, though, is to go on to LinkedIn and do the same cleanup in my inbox.   A lot of politics is not okay. It's not healthy. But this, on the second one, is really my question. Do you guys remember when part of setting up your LinkedIn profile would ask you what kind, what contact types that you allow? That was, and I think it's still in there as part of the profile. And yet, from what I can tell, there's absolutely nothing that's done to meet that allowed contact. I've often wondered about that. And so why even ask the question? Either provide the solution, and this is something that I'm actually was, it was bad enough over the weekend that I'm going to write a letter and submit it to our, write it. It'll be a strongly worded letter. Now, I'm going to, in the- That sounds so similar to you. I'm going to burn down the building. I don't know why. It just- Yeah, slight disparity there. No, but I was going to- Threaten the letter. I'm going to write the letter. I'm going to write the letter. It's just saying that I was going to write a letter made me feel good. Like, I had done something and then I didn't need to actually write the letter. No, I was going to write a letter for the regional director, one of the DLs, where it gets directly to Microsoft executives. I am, this is a problem that's been around with LinkedIn for years. Like, why is it so difficult for me to be able to go in and add in my profile? Here's how I would like to be contacted. Here's how I would not like to be contacted. And because when you're contacting somebody, it's really simple that they say, what is this regarding? Is it, am I reaching out to this person to about service products and services? Well, if their profile is flagged as, I don't want to hear about products and services, pretty simple. Then you don't allow that to go through and anybody abuses that, then you block their account.  I would probably take that a bit. I don't know if I take it back, step forward a step, but either way, you guys can decide. You're making the assumption that somebody is reaching out to you at Violington and using that contact method, where I think that a lot of marketers are just getting your email from somewhere on the Interweb and sending you the information through LinkedIn because it's easier for them, not because that's how they got your information. The first initial, first half of your last name, let's just say. Well, I understand that with reaching out as contact, the majority of these are through in-mail. It is through the formal process where LinkedIn can have some level of control over who gets contacted. Right now, I have an open profile. Anybody can reach out and try and connect with me and I get that. That's through the connections and all likelihood. When I have somebody, I don't know who, I've never had an interaction with them.  I realize it's a real human being. I'm more likely to connect with that person. I get the other just blind, just somebody hit the connect button. There's no note there. The lesson here, people, is always add a note of why you want to connect with that person. Sometimes it's obvious. If I find that Sean has unfriended me again, I need to reconnect with him. What was that, Eric? You're breaking up. LinkedIn got deleted off my phone and it took out all my contacts. I don't know how that happened. Those LinkedIn bombs are horrible. Anyway, but that was my feedback too. I'm going to provide this in that DL just because I think it's enough people are complaining about it. It doesn't look like anything's been done. I'm not sure why. I'd love to know what the roadmap is. Microsoft owns LinkedIn. They could provide some peer pressure on them to go in and to look at this issue. I see it complain from a lot of people that it's just getting more and more about spam.  I'm going through and deleting these. How many emails do you get? What monthly doesn't matter? That are actually of value.  I'd love to connect with you on whether or not cats can have fleas in multi-countries. They can, by the way. I thought so. How many of those do you actually get? One out of 20. What's the value of actually reviewing them? If it's one out of 20, I would personally let my emails stack up and then delete them all. If that individual wants to connect that value, they'll find another way of doing so. We, the three of us, all have enough content on the web with our email addresses that they could find it pretty easily and just reach out directly and not be reliant on email.  Or find a time when I need software development services based in India. That's really what it comes down to. Whether my OCD would allow me to turn that off. One of the things I've tried to do with content that comes in through the spam filters that actually lands on my inbox, just like Nicole's, which is really, she's so excited to talk to me tomorrow too, which naturally is a convenient time for me. When I look at her note, there's no unsubscribe. None of the legalities, if you will, are applied to her. So I can just forget about it, but I've been trying through COVID since I have so much time to actively unsubscribe from things. It's surprising how many don't have it. I mean, I could name names in our community who I've never given my email address to and companies, whatnot. And yeah, their stuff is all over my inbox. I never asked for it. So where is it coming from? It's not coming from a conference. It's not coming from me. So where is it? And the laws are supposedly, while here in Canada's Castle, CASL, supposedly strict, but no one's seen any enforcement in five years since it came out. So what was the point in actually putting it in place? Good point. Yep, which is why it's part of the daily activity is, it's not enough just to delete them. I unsubscribe. I block their domain. I do kind of the steps. I've got it down pretty quick to go through the series of things with email and with LinkedIn.  I think you should write them all a letter. I should. I know. Strongly worded. Strongly worded letter. The other thing you can do. I need my stamps. Yes, stamps. You're in the greater United States region. You can just print it out. Print out the stamp. What's the fun of that? We don't have that here. I just like to point that out. I was going to make a great point and then oof. That age thing gets in the way. So one thing I did do was find a potentially interesting topic. Virtual breakout rooms and teams. People, I found a thread on tech community where multiple pages of people asking questions about that, and it turns out that it is on the roadmap and it will be delivered potentially Q4 of this year. Well, that goes directly to the question that we've. Sorry, Eric, what did you say? Sorry, I was throwing in a plug there. So where did you find that information? Yeah, the question was on techcommunity.microsoft.com. The answer was on roadmap.office.com. The greatest resource for anybody watching who doesn't know about it. Please go enjoy it. We routinely plug it on this show. Right with Christian compliments, please. Well, this is one of the questions that has been asked about all of these events. Everything that's moving to online and one of obviously the missing links to any successful conference. Talking about the tier one Microsoft event specifically, the value was not in the content of the sessions and the keynote. And look, there's great content. I don't want to demean that process of going through there and what's being shared. I am marginally offended by what you just said. But it's about the connections that you make that are there. And so by having it virtual, that's one of the most difficult things. And for the first big event for us within the Microsoft ecosystem, the MVP, our annual conference, which is held on Microsoft campus in Redmond, Washington. Or was it one time? It was. So it was moved virtual this year. And so we moved it. Everything virtual. I have to just talk over you right now because I think what you're about to say is MBA specific. And we can't condone you saying these things. So please cleanse your brain and only let content come forward. That is public domain. Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you. No leaks except for the vegetable. So yeah, so one of the biggest concerns about this move is how do we make up for that gap around the connection? We have coming up this next month is Microsoft Inspire, which was also moved. That's the business conference. So it's all marketing and sales people. It's normally the partner conference, the partner conference. This was going to be my 11th year in a row of going. So really disappointed. Last two years, I've driven down from Salt Lake down to Vegas. Beautiful drive. And I spent very little time, obviously the key notes. Those are always exciting. They, Microsoft, spent a lot of money. They did some really cool demos. So Satya and Julia White being two of my favorites in their presentations are usually just stellar. But it's, I spent the majority of my time at that conference in the expo hall talking with vendors, talking with partners, going through and talking with the booths. How do you do that in these virtual events? And so that's been this big question. So I'm glad to see something that's officially on the roadmap around these. I think that'll help around having these separate spaces that you can go into and collaborate. Now, how that shows up, how do I go in? Like, is it just a list of rooms of topics? Am I able to kind of preview, like, who's in there? What's being discussed before I commit to jumping into a conversation and taking up a spot? It'll be interesting to see how they do that. Yeah, I put the link to the roadmap item in the chat. If you want to share it, they don't provide too much detail on it. But there's a little bit of right up there. The Christian cheer point. That's a really, that's a really nice URL, by the way. Yes, it's super cool. You can reach it easily. Christian, I've been in a few conversations now for a number of upcoming conferences who are struggling virtually with how that URL is even prettier, who are struggling with how to provide vendor spaces for their conference. Vendors are spending money to support the conference and assist in its presence. Aside from having their logo on a couple of slides that every speaker is compelled to speak to, there isn't anything that they can do to really draw on the community. When you're at a booth and you've got a big fishbowl full of Scotch or M&Ms or whatever, Andy floats your boat and you're able to actually take us up forward into the little hallway, the common spaces and talk to somebody and engage somebody and say hello, that's fine. It's easy. We've all done it. In the virtual conversation, there are a number of issues with it. One, of course, is I'm stuck here. Even if you put me in a virtual space or give me my own channel and have somebody come and click on to me and then see me and talk to me and engage with me, I have no control over it as the vendor. I'm paying to basically sit in my own little fishbowl with hope that somebody's going to click and engage with me. There's no outward conversation, which is a very bad thing for all of us, because no sponsors, no vendors, no conferences. That's the first problem. The other problem is, Christian, I'm attending Inspire as well, or WPC as I like to call it. Which is now free, by the way, if anybody is interested, Inspire.Microsoft.com, you can go and register now. It's all open. Correct. But like everyone else, I'm only going to be interested in what I'm interested in. I'm going to want to see the keynotes. I'm going to want to see two or three speakers that I know who stop that, who are going. I see you both laughing at the same thing. Wait, Eric, you're saying you're only interested in things that you're interested in? You find that interesting? I do. I do have some empirical evidence that will show people are only interested in what they're interested in. If you stop interrupting me, the point was that you guys are so happy I'm here. I can't wait to see the fan mail after this. It's going to be awesome. Liam has already, as I said, reached out, given me three or four different points for this one.  They always have a massive presence. They get this huge space. They have 20 people there. They have great swag and giveaways and whatnot. I'm just not going to click on them. How is that going to be of value for them to participate going forward? One other part to that, too, is some of these events, they're attempting to charge the same amounts for sponsorship or something like that. It's not working out for them, and so I know a number of events where they've had to go and adjust their numbers. Imagine that. Look, a little bit of understanding, though, was some of these events that already had spaces that had moved past dates where they get their funds back for their physical location, so they're attempting to pay for what they've already spent out of pocket to do then the virtual event and all the different pieces. I get the pain that's there, but it's also why there's insurance, but you can't charge the same experience, obviously. There's a question here out of the chat. Eric asks, anyone used yet the SharePoint Lists app, which is not yet available, so the answer is no, and so he asks, when will it be released officially? I feel that I have to jump in here and say, just so you know, that was not me. That's all right. Correct. Another Eric. Yes, thank you. Apparently, there's one other Eric out there. Wow. Just call me Jake. I think that really simplifies things. I just think of you as Izzy's bearded doppelganger. It's not double, yeah. Perfect. Yeah, so you guys excited about the Lists app? Which I think the official release date is soon. I can't wait. See a lot of stuff at Q3, yeah. Yeah, I think they're saying late summer, but yeah. Yes, I'm looking forward to it. Sean, you got a mixed bag. Yeah, because people are going to want to know when to use that. We talked about this last week, I think, when to use it versus when to use other stuff that's already out there. What does it replace? What does it overlap? I don't have any guidance for them on that other than pick your poison. Well, seeing how it's not available. So we're not yet talking to either or, you know, and that's part of it. We've seen it, the previews of it. I'm pretty excited about it. I mean, I look at this as the, or I made the comment and somebody called me, I think it was last week that said, because I said, hey, this is like the democratization of the Lists app. And you have common users are not generally going into SharePoint to build lists and use that capability. But teams, which is much more end user centric, they're more likely to then go in and build this kind of capability on lists. And somebody said, well, why can't users go in and use it in SharePoint? It's not a, hey, they can't. I'm just saying that it's, it's, it's a, it was the Lists app was built by the people that create SharePoint lists. It's an evolution of that brought over to the team's environment. They've packaged it, brought it over, and they're providing all these out-of-the-box templates and a lot of other capabilities, which is designed for the masses, whereas SharePoint is more of a power user IT pro platform. And so I think it's just, you're going to see a broader set of users going in for the first time, building lists and playing with it. And which I think is a really exciting thing. So what will actually happen to your point, Sean, of which things that they'll use and when and where, and that's something I think organizations will need to figure out. What makes sense if you're trying to do something more complex and that you're having the IT organization's help in building, maybe that'll be more SharePoint centric versus if it's something that, hey, it's at your own, go and do it on your own inside of teams. Individually. Yeah. I have to jump in here from a, this is in my wheelhouse, governance strategy conversation, which is like most things Microsoft comes out with, it's going to be something that is really super powerful at a point. The point is not going to be the least they won. The point will be six, 12 months after, look at teams. Teams is three years old. Most people think that it's brand new. It's a walk before you run conversation for sure. And organizations really have to take a look at who should be using it, why, and the business case, the use case around it. Before it is handed out to everybody and let them run wild. It's replacing technology that's already existing for most cases. And you just need to make sure that you're handing to the right people. It's governed in the right way. I mean, you're dealing with information. So let's not be too light in the practices which are being deployed. Now I have to say that, so Noah Sparks and I did an interview with Mark Cash, been talking about the list apps. And one of the questions that I asked was about my legacy list that I've built inside of SharePoint. And you have kind of a list homepage as part of the list app. And whether those would be surfaced, he said, yes, yes, all of those things would be surfaced through. So there will be this kind of, this concept of the modern list versus legacy lists built through this environment. I called them that. But yeah, if you are interested in seeing that, let me paste that link. You can go to buckleyplanet.com and search for loop 365, which is the series that we interviewed him for. And guys, we're at the top of the hour. One last question though, Eric, the other Eric, reclaimed to be an Eric. Do you believe Teams will become the main user entry point in the future? To what? To the world. To everything, Sean. Well, it's not going to be my everything. I think for most, you think of SharePoint being the primary focus being the portal experience. Yammer for those organizations that use it is that community site, which is integrated into the portal experience. But from the day-to-day workplace, I think the hub for teamwork, moniker, fits Microsoft Teams. I do believe it will become the primary first location that users will go into and to get project work done. I mean, look, if I were an enterprise user coming and logging to my system, I would think that the portal with the company news might be the homepage, that first place that I go. But when I then go to get work done, I'm going to work on my first of my three projects today that I have open, it'll be inside of Teams.  Correct. First season has been three hours in LinkedIn in the name of efficiency. And that needs to go with the team. Right.  Are you an IT pro? Are you a dev? And like, obviously, if you're a developer that's logging in for the day, you know what you were working on until 2 a.m., you're likely not going to go, let's go see what's happening in the chat. Inside of the chat. We go to XKCD and check out the current XKCD. That's right. So I think the answer for me is once again, let's go to use case. Let's go to persona. Let's go to who the right individual is that will do it. To me, and I'm a good example of this because I'm very different from Sean, not just follically. No, you're not. General. Same. It's almost like looking into a mirror. It is a mirror in my view. It's a mirror. I'm looking at myself. Next week, I'm going to put the headphones on. There you go. And put a dress on. It'll be confused. Bad weekend. I'm actually not frozen there. I was just stunned by what you said. Because you're going to mirror that, Sean? That's what we were talking about, mirror images. The answer is yes. I personally see teams for the business user as a desktop replacement. Yeah. And part B there is that it's called a kilt, Sean, and he's wearing one right now. No, he's not. He's not. No pants Monday. I was going to say, and I would first have to be wearing pants in order to be wearing a kilt. Well, gentlemen, we'll end on the pantless note. Thank you so much for your time. It's a high point. Chris, that was quite a review. I found today's conversation quite revealing. Thank you for that. Yeah. Good to have you along, Riz. Thanks, man. Good to be here. We'll be back next week. It's a drafty conversation. Hey, for all of those that are interested, so we'll be back this evening. So this is our EMEA edition, our APAC edition, which will be at 6 p.m. Pacific. And, Eric, you're always welcome. You put the kids to bed. Join us.  Awkward. Well, thanks a lot, gentlemen. Thanks, guys. Have a good one. Take it easy. Bye. So, okay, we're officially live. We're broadcasting. Thanks again for joining, everybody. This is the Microsoft Community Office Hours and Christian Buckley here, Office Apps and Services MVP and Microsoft Regional Director. I'm here with Hal and Sean. Hal, introduce yourself. Well, hello there. Name here is Hal. How's that, bro? Also at MVP, actually, Southbrook. And been in the program for 23 years, hopefully, after next week, I could say 24. He deserves a monument. I am Jean McDonough. I've been in Office Apps and Services MVP for about four years now. So I'm the relative young in the group. You're the noob, noob. I think Mike is going to join us, too. So we might have a couple people jump in. 23 years, really, Hal? Yeah, since 1997, excuse me. Yeah, 1997, actually 1996, November of 1996. But even with the record keeping, it didn't quite out, it would be more than that now. So I'm pushing to make it the 25 to get it, I think probably the only 25-year-ring in existence. Wow. I'm surprised that the records weren't lost in a fire. I'm getting a little bit of echo on you, Hal. So I don't know if that's feedback through you, Sean, or have you muted at all your mic while Hal was talking? No, I didn't. Okay, because it started and stopped, so it was just odd. So I don't know if the AI is adjusting or whatever it's what's doing. Well, I'm going to just leave it as appropriate. Well, we'll rise above it. We're professionals. All right, so here, so I had a couple of questions that came through from this morning's session that I wanted to tackle. Again, if you're watching on the live stream in one of our locations, feel free to post your question there. We'll try to address those as well, and I'll make sure that I'm monitoring all locations this time so that I've got everything open so I can look and find any other questions. But here's one, so we've got, of course, there's always, there's a ton of teams-related questions that are coming through, and that's why Sean just ditched. He fears the team's questions. No, there he is. I saw you over there. I was just poking fun at you. I've actually got an answer to one from last Monday. Last Monday afternoon, that's teams-related. Why don't we start with that one? Okay, well, the question was asked about, I don't remember precisely how it went exactly, was to say that they were having issues because they had to leave teams on one device before joining teams on another device. And that last Friday afternoon was one of those cases which, if you remember, I actually got into the call on my phone. I was running teams on the phone. And basically, all I did when I got home was to set the phone on the counter, leading teams running, opened up my surface here, and did the usual connect, you teed, and I was on in both places. It didn't ask me any questions. It was in the same tenant. It just, I was there twice. So, I closed the one on the phone and carried on my business. And I don't believe anybody in the world noticed any difference. So, I guess the answer is no, you don't have to close one to start the other. Well, I know that other people have done something like the exact same scenario. You're sitting at their desktop, but two browsers and having a desktop client and browser and on another tenant logged in and listening in on a meeting and muting on one answering a question over here and participating in the other. And I know that there's quality participation when that happens, that kind of multitasking. But again, I mean, likewise, it didn't throw any errors. It was the person's login, the same profile on two different tenants. I don't know, you're talking about meetings also as a guest in a meeting or was it the same tent? I guess it was. If you were on this call and joining, you were a guest in both parties. If you were joining, you were a guest in both places, but... Well, the thing of it is, is it makes a difference to teams quite a bit. Even though you may have the same, you may be using the same email address, joeblowatlive.com, if you're in the, let's say in the live.com tenant, that's of course, there's no such thing as such, but just as an example, if you were logged in there and you joined as a guest in another tenant, even though you had a guest login in that tenant, things like the chat and emojis won't work. So what you have to do is you have to leave the tenant that you're in and go join the tenant where the meeting is, even though it's the same credentials in order for emojis and chats and things like that to work. It's kind of a constant pain in the butt, because in my case, the business uses teams pretty extensively. You've got a fairly well-developed team with a number of channels and so forth. So we came here from Slack, and that was... Oh, my goodness me, it was so much fun coming here from Slack, not so much because of the way Slack worked, but because of the way Slack didn't work. We would have, for example, a monthly meeting, bi-weekly, bi-monthly meeting. The meeting was held on Skype. The back-and-forth chatting was done on Slack. We would be looking at a dealing with an online one-note document. And of course, now all you've got to do is run your meeting in there, is you just open it up in a channel and you pin the tabs for whatever it is you want to the channel. It's holy turb... And I think you and I discussed that once upon a long time ago, Sean. That's Sean, but Christian, yes. We've been mistaken. We had many times. This morning, it's like a mirror. Well, you and Eric and I, Eric Riz and I are like triplets. It's just uncanny. It's freaky. I know. Well, I mean, everybody knows this is the Pete Hairpiece, so... Yeah, absolutely. And we do that just so Sean and I can differentiate. Custom rug. So, but I think, Hal, thanks for bringing that up. I think that was actually Eden who asked that question. And she's got kind of a part two to that question. So she asked this morning one of the questions that I missed. Because I believe it was her was asking about that switching over in between. She also asked, went on a team's call and you receive another call. So they've got the integrated devices, they're doing that. So is there a way to send a quick response when declining the call? And my response was, well, it depends on where you're receiving the call. If you even figured that out. Yeah, well, one benefit of receiving calls on my mobile device is that I can decline a call that's coming through and send the text message. If that, but I don't know if teams has similar capability. I know that there are a few features that are in that realm that are on the roadmap. There are some things that are in user voice, but I wasn't aware of any way if you're receiving, if you've got another teams chat that's coming in. I mean, because the only other way to kind of answer this is that if you are sitting in a team's meeting and it's going long, the next one starts or you get an invite for a meet now in, you can respond if it's an ongoing meeting, if there's that overlap, into the chat for that other meeting. So often I'll go in and have kind of side chats while a meeting is ongoing. So that's, it's not the answer to Eden's question. But if it is another teams meeting, there's the chat that's associated with that. You, without joining the meeting, if you're already a member of that group, you could actually go in and respond within the chat and say, I'm in the middle of this other meeting, it's going long, I'll join when I can.  Correct. It is life and death.  So yes. Death is an effort. All right. Again, I'm just going to check and see any new questions coming in, nothing so far. All right. So here's the other one. Raimi asked this morning, hopefully I pronounced that right, is there a way to deny access to teams desktop clients using personal accounts? I mean, only allow users to sign into teams with only an organization account. And so he asked this question a few days ago inside of the teams community, had a couple of different responses. One of them was a conditional access. He says, I create conditional access to block access to teams, assigned to guests and external users, but it didn't work. Currently, users can access teams with personal accounts and can send sensitive information and documents. So one thing that you can do in the creation of a new team is you can go in there and define, it's the block list, the allow list, the new phrasing, black list, white list. You can go in and as part of that setup and say only allow from your organization, for example, you can block Gmail accounts, Hotmail accounts, those kinds of things. So that if you block the big three, Gmail, Hotmail, and I don't know, Live or Yahoo Mail, whatever, you're seeing people come in those methods, then that's going to get rid of 95% of those anonymous logins and then it'll force them to then use their company email. And you make that part of the invite, say you can only log in via your company email. Otherwise, the other method is to set up that space, the temporary space, the holding pattern, the waiting room, and allow in only those people that have the approved login. So that's meetings, I know that's not a team, I'm just thinking of out of the box capabilities today. Are you gentlemen aware of any other methods monitoring other conversations as well? No, I know conditional access, you should be able to apply those policies in some form. And those you can establish conditional access rules based on IP blocks as well. So if all of these accounts are coming out of some IP block based in China or something like that, you can block list a huge swath of an entire subnet and just don't allow access from any address that originates or any communication that originates from that place. So I don't have the admin portal open to look into this, but I believe you can't even know after the fact going to existing team and change that can reconfigured existing team as the team owner and set up that block list or allow list. Yeah, let me go and look now. Hal, I noticed that you're sporting the blurred background rather than the exotic locations fake backgrounds today. Yeah, well, I just got here a little bit late, that was the first thing on the list. So I can put something else up. Yeah, you do you, I'll do me. I was talking with the so somebody dropped in on on Friday, Sean Owen Allen dropped by. Oh, did he in town? Yeah, he was in town for doing some work and then was driving down with down in Southern Utah with family. And we hung out for about an hour. How's he doing? I was doing doing well over there at the zones. And we're talking about he was lecturing me on how to get better green screen type of facts. He's like, you know, you're using OBS, you should be using, I think he was ex split he was pushing and need to try out. That's what I need to do is finally get everything working the way that I need it to work. Let's go through some new tools in the mix. Yeah, really. While you're looking that up, let me see just check any other questions. Again, if you're watching on the live stream, if you have any questions, go ahead and and ask and we will try to address those. And all right. See another question that we had here. Rashana, are you still looking that up in the admin center or looking up? Well, yeah, I'm adding, you know, you can set basically IP subnets, basically ports and different things. I'm trying to see where I actually set the rules. Policy packages, let's see. Well, they've got predefined policy packages that might be of use to people like education, teachers, health care, clinical workers, public safety officers. That's pretty clever. I don't do much teams administration, really. Yeah. Yeah, but the organized or wide settings. I'm sorry, go ahead, Al. Well, I was going to say those teams administration and those teams administration, fortunately, to really do appropriate administration on teams, you've got to be able to get to that part of the administrative console. You've also got to look at groups. You've also got to look at SharePoint. And I think there's one other place or two yet where you have to look at if you want to make sure that everybody has the appropriate permissions to do whatever it is they may happen to do. I've got a situation with teams in our organization where I can turn team stuff on and off, but I really don't have any. I'm an owner, but I really don't have access to the admin console. And great. Best access is turned on in the admin console, but it isn't working. So there's about four other spots I need to go check in because I don't have admin access. I can't go check them, which is kind of a continual pain. I wish that things related to teams could all be addressable from the teams area. Yeah. The team's admin center, clearly you can control external access by domain. Christian, what you were saying about email accounts coming from Yahoo and whatnot, you can add different domains as well as whether or not they're allowed or blocked. That's within the Office 365, Microsoft 365 admin console. If you go into the team's specific admin console within that unified view, you will see the settings under org-wide settings for external access. Okay. I'll see if he's watching if there's any other questions or follow-up might have something in the written word here later if he's not participating. I don't see any other comments there. Well, another question here. Here's a SharePoint related one. Well, it's teams and SharePoint, but it kind of goes to the complexity of what you're just talking about. Is there a way of preserving this from James? Is there a way of preserving the SharePoint site when a team is deleted? I'm wondering if applying a site retention policy would protect it, but I can't find anything through a competing search site to confirm that. Yeah. One thing I would say is that the strong recommendation is not to delete. We talked about that this morning. There's archive it. Deleting is a rare thing, and honestly, that deleting it likely breaks a number of security and compliance policies in the vast majority of organizations. As well as referential integrity. Correct. Yeah. That's what we were talking about this morning. Yeah. I mean, my first thought was that well, if you have it, you've backed up, if you've got it archived, then you should have a copy of that site. It depends on how deleted a site is. Yeah. And the one link I've found, which I'll include here, which I'm sure was checked and referenced. Let me get to the chat window. There we go. It calls out that the SharePoint site and its files will be deleted, but you can't recover deleted teams for up to 30 days. So that recycle bin functionality is in kind of wide holds, as well as the additional conditions Christian was stating. Yeah. Again, I would ask that first question. It's like, why are you deleting it? What are you doing that you need to delete that? Generally, was it truly deleted? You can go in and delete it. This was like some of the we've talked about this a number of times. This is our, by the way, this is our 14th week of doing this. Sounds about right. And 14th episode and part two of the 14th episode. So the 28th time we've done. Yeah. I'm just doing resume stuffing there. Yeah. So we've talked about this a number of times is that some of the first questions people were asking when teams launched three and a half years ago was, well, how do I archive? It's like, well, what do you mean by archive? What are you actually talking about? And what is that process? So when it was deleted, was it truly deleted? Or was it that all users access was turned off? They were removed. The admin did it to make it fall out of everyone's navigation, yet all of the assets, all of the conversation history, the discussions, the exchange assets, as well as the SharePoint assets, are still archived and they're just asleep hidden from that world. But all of that content, all the artifacts created are all searchable. If you delete it, you're talking about that structural integrity. You're removing all the conversations, all the links to it. So there will be broken links to content that were mentioned in other teams, other conversations like there's crossover in between all those different components, broken links within email. There could be dead links via search and discovery inside of SharePoint. Security abnormalities as users are removed. Right. All sorts of things. So you can delete. It should be rare that you delete. But, yeah. OCD is a bad problem to have if you're an admin. Let's see. I've got two other questions. Anything else? Any other interesting things come up over the course of the day? Not particularly. Nothing here except we've got this 50,000-acre weenie roast to release the content. What? Oh, yeah, that's right. It's a giant fire. Yeah. In the mountains. Basically, it's pretty simple.  The fire will be bipresently. Where is the center of the fire, Hal? What city is it closest to? Tucson. It's the not... Catalina mountains are just to the northeast of the city. The fact that it basically forms the entire northern edge of the city. The fire originally started in the western tip of the range called Push Ridge, and has just been migrating itself east ever since. There's a half a dozen webcams. There's a basically wireless internet and phone provider, also ISP here in town called Simply Bits, and they've got a bunch of webcams up there because they provide most of the internet service up there to virtually everybody in the world that's got a communication site is either on Mount Lemmon, the highest peak in the range, or the second highest, Mount Bigelow. That's where all the television stuff is. All the two-ray radio though. That's police, fire, highway patrol, government stuff. There are just tons of radio installations up there, and that's on a place called Radio Ridge, and one of the cameras, in fact two of the cameras, that are parked up there, they're on 24 hours a day. They update every 30 seconds, and I got to watch the fire just completely ravage that ridge last night. Wow. It's messy. Fire is amazing. Well, it's just a wrong time of year. Unfortunately, Arizona at this time of the year is 100 to 110 degrees. The humidity is roughly between 5 and 10 percent, which means it's dry. Yeah. And the culprit in this one was a little dry thunderstorm. It dumped a whole bunch of burger, which is water that never gets to ground, and a couple of two or three lightning bolts, and then one of those two or three managed to get the ground out there and start a fire, and we've got this lovely fuel. It's called Buffalo Grass. It's, I believe, a plant that's native to Africa that was bought here for, I don't know what reason, but this stuff is invasive. It grouts out a lot of the indigenous desert vegetation, and it has the nasty habit of burning like a blowtorch. Yeah. And it's dry. So, okay. What direction is the smoke flowing? It's mostly from what I've been seeing, it's mostly been flowing north to northeast. Yeah. I just have the memory now of the fires on the west coast, Northern California. It covered, it looked like, Salt Lake looked like Los Angeles in its worst smog day. It was awful and for weeks. So, that was my first thought, not to be selfish or anything, but you know, you say north and I kind of like, for those that don't know, Utah is north of Arizona. Get a map. Yep. Yeah. So, all right. I'll get another question here. Let's see. Richard says, as we deployed teams to our user base some two years back, more recently enabling call and collaboration features as we slowly moved to decommissioning Skype for Business. With more use of the Teams app, we are having a growing number of users state that their Windows Teams app is hanging or crashing during screen shares. Video conferences are opening files with the app. We have razors with Microsoft, sending them gigabytes of logs with affected devices. However, three weeks on, they aren't offering much in terms of a reason or fix. We've updated firmware, drivers, clear teams, cache, disabled hardware acceleration to name a few, but still the issue persists on random devices with no viable trends. Anyone else experiencing this? Well, my first thought is what organizational policies do you have around network traffic, what's allowed? You know, if you're the only one who's seeing this, it's, you know, systemically, there are not Teams problems right now that I'm aware of. You know, we're using Teams just fine right now. Everyone else is, you know, anecdotally, evidence says, you know, we're fine. I've not seen anything in the Admin Center recently, but if your organization is experiencing these issues and you've tried remedying them on the local client side, I would turn to your network resources and firewalls and other network devices that you happen to have and look at what they contribute to the problem or potentially to the problem. Do you have proper ports opened? We were talking about this this morning as well. You know, layer seven inspection, application level inspection, looking at packets, different devices do it differently. There's no one simple answer to everything, but Microsoft does have guidance regarding ports and whatnot. I'll see if I can find that. Yeah, this is the bread and butter of the traditional IT organization and go and root these kinds of things out. My response was much the same as like the first place you go and you look at, well, what's happening on Microsoft's network? Is there anything else? And it sounds like, you know, Richard and his team, they're doing that. Then he's asking, hey, has anybody else experienced this? We're running through the different scenarios. We're trying to root this out, but that's usually the only answer to start going and testing those components. Let me open it. Another lovable link there. Yeah, let me copy that. I'll share that. What's the link? It's to docs.microsoft.com, specifically under Microsoft Teams in that there is a rather lengthy anchor, which has a bunch of different stuff in it that I'm not going to attempt to describe, but it's simply put, it's in the Microsoft Teams reference on docs.microsoft.com. If you go down to cloud voice, there's a reference section and it's within that reference section. This particular one is called Microsoft Teams calls flows, team call flows. And it talks about the different ports that are involved as well as the protocols, whether you're using TCP or UDP, different ports that you want to have open, or if you're restricting patterns, whether it's set up a send receive or just broadcast type filters on firewalls. If you're doing that, those sorts of things, I know people get particular, but then again, that comes down to the particular firewall. Yep, and then yeah, it's basically you just got to have to go through and just start testing those things, checking those one by one, and usually you get to know a lot about your network. I mean, you probably find some of the other things you never wanted to know about your network as well. Yeah. Well, thank you for that link there. So I've added that into the book with the live streams. How has now moved to the airport? Came there on space musician museum. Busy bit of ground space there. All right. Are you able, like I've never, I've always wanted to visit one of those places. Are you able to go and walk around or is it guided tour stuff or? You can go and walk around, get inside stuff. Really? All kinds of good stuff. Yeah, it's a wonderful place. Very cool. Will they look at me strange if I've got that five gallon canister of gasoline and I try to fuel something up and see if it'll turn over? Well, I don't know. They've got an SR 71 out there and to my knowledge, that takes JP1.  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you know, I've got my travel battery. I can recharge my iPhone 10 nine and a half times. I think full charges off that thing so I can recharge my Surface Pro. I think twice. Wow. Oh, that's so I could maybe rig that to jump it, you know, with that potentially. I'm just saying, just speculating here. Yeah, I just figured that I could go. Can I can I part something out? Well, no, if you want to do parting out, there's a couple shots to the left of this in my pictures folder. There's a couple of shots of the Davis month in Boneyard. There's lots of stuff to be picked and choose out there. Acres and acres and acres of B 52s and F 16s and all sorts of stuff. I would love to go and explore not, you know, not in the middle of summer like this time of year. No, I'd wait till fall down in your neck of the woods to go visit a place like that. But the other thing I was going to say is that I'm I'm fairly certain that a requirement to work at a place like that you have to look pretty much like Tom Waits. That's probably true. Oh, I doubt that. But you never know. Yeah, if you're in the or into like they're probably like the three categories. You have the eccentric inventor Tom Waits looking person that works there. Um, the security ex military type. And then you have the steampunk nerds that I think one of those three I think would it's just the way I envision it. Just watched a movie with Tom Waits in it the other day. Pretty good one. Which one? I knew you're going to ask that and I've got to go look at my Plex server. So, I mean, I I can't look at him now. I know he's in a few others, but I just think of him in in Mystery Men these days. Yeah. Yeah, in this bad scientist, which, you know, are much less desirable than regular scientists. But well, he in this movie he played an interesting fellow with mental issues. Same with Mystery Men, hence the mad scientist. Yeah, you'd need that that that's a large lot. You'd need to have some kind of vehicle to get around. I really want to go to a place that would be just fantastic. Can I like camp out with the family like in between them like out in the plateau? And yeah, and I might be an issue. Oh, yeah. I don't know the same time in your rare force credentials, I mean. Well, there you go. I'll just I'll just bring those with me. Yep. Yeah. So, I've got one last question here from the ones that I kind of so asked over the last couple of days. And who's that? Oh, Neil's sick. Oh, Neil's out. Oh, bummer. Sorry to hear that, Neil. I hope you feel better. Yeah. Those virtual germs. We don't want those. That's smart. That's that's good. He's looking out for us. That's good. All right. So, Kellam says, what to use when you need more than teams and live events? Oh, hey, this kind of goes, we started to talk about this this morning. Somebody had asked the question, asked me about restream. Like, how are you like live streaming teams using restream? Like, how does that all work? I'll read the rest of his questions says, well, what to use when you need more than teams live events? I've been asked about platform for a glitzy online events with features like multiple tracks, human interpreters on multiple audio streams, virtual birds of a feather breakout. I see Microsoft use on 24 for some of their live events and looked at iVent and WebEx anyone with more suggestions. So, I mean, I'll tell you that there's a there's a few discussion threads that are going around. So, I'll start out by saying that plug for teams. Microsoft is specific, we've talked about this in previous episodes. Microsoft is adding quite a few items to their roadmap to enable events that, you know, where, you know, teams was designed as an enterprise collaboration platform, you know, obviously, but with more and more education education sector needs were during the COVID period of quarantine, more and more live events that they realize the shortcomings of enterprise collaboration platform for these these events. So, they're adding some of these different features. Like, look, I for webinars, for example, I use Zoom. I'm a paid Zoom user. So, I don't have the problems that people have with the with the free, but it's because it's really inexpensive for small webinars that are 100 to 500 people. It just works. You go in there and one of the key features is that when you provision a new webinar, of course, it creates the landing page, the registration page. It has, you know, the polling and chat and Q&A modules and kind of all those components, which teams has some of those things, not all of those things. So, that's something that Microsoft is working on. We're talking about, well, so to enable this scenario to answer that half of it. So, I use a flavor of OBS. So, it's the open broadcast software. So, it's open source, basically, television studio software. I use the, what is it, the Streamlabs OBS. So, the Streamlabs flavor of OBS, where they've gone and fixed some of the quirks it for me. So, I have in my second my primary monitor, this is my secondary monitor. I'm basically sharing the monitor. So, as I showed earlier, I can drag and drop things in and showcase it there. And I just have a very simple setup inside of OBS, where I am capturing everything that's happening within this monitor, which allows me to use my camera. I've got a virtual camera that's taking the snapshot, my camera pulling my face into this, and then I have it pointing to restream.io. And that's what actually goes in broadcast that out. So, you can have, you'll be running multiple sessions via OBS or multiple cameras in a session and fade in and out, have all of your screens, have all of the names and Twitter handles and the lower thirds and different effects going on and music and light changes and all that kind of stuff. And I actually use this Elgato Stream Deck. I'll hold it up here if you want to get fancy. So, this device here, where I have it set up with, you can have it each of the different screens. So, if I want to do something where I move this primary screen over to the side and split the screen and share a slide, but I still have our faces, there's just a lot of magic that you can do there. But just out of the box, Teams capability, obviously Teams Live does not stream to the social channels. With restream, it'll allow you to actually push it out simultaneously broadcast to multiple channels. So, to Facebook, to LinkedIn, to Twitter, to a bunch of different locations. So, we talked about this morning a little bit about coming features and how breakout rooms are coming in Q4 this year. So, to further support the notion of the conference style access and people doing conference-y type things, we're getting some of those features added. Yeah, that was something that we talked, you're right. It's a missing aspect. It's a gaping hole in most live events. The online events are just really bad at bringing people together to collaborate around there. So, you can't go into an expo hall and go look through the vendor booths. You can't go find a group of people from my user group. This is something, whether we go to, you know, inspire or ignite or build or whatever it is, one of the things that we do is here our user group in Utah, we always come together, find each other, who's going to this event and then try to have lunch or to just talk about what are our takeaways there at the event. And you can't do that during the event either. So, the idea of having these rooms, these dedicated spaces that you can have a sidebar, the content is going, the sessions are happening live, but maybe we want to go and have a talk about SharePoint Migration and anybody that's interested in talking about, you know, a session that we just watched with the Microsoft's latest, talking about their latest APIs, the migration APIs, changes to that. Let's go have a sidebar conversation there. So, they're trying to provide that feature, which will get us all the way there, but it gets us further along than we are right now. I still like there was a vendor solution. I apologize, I don't know the name of it. Maybe somebody out there is aware of this, but they created where it actually had like a visualization of an expo hall. It had tables. You could have vendors at a table, you could have topics assigned to a table, and then it limited the number of seats. And you can actually see, okay, I want to be in that discussion, it's full. Oh, somebody just left. I can now grab that spot and then go into that virtual space and be able to have that conversation with a limited number of people. I think they had like eight or 12 at the most, so that it's a few enough people that could actually have a dialogue and not run over each other like this. Yeah, let's see. I think we're going to see a number of other tools that will come out of this COVID period where I think we're all having the same, we're identifying the same gaps. So I think there's going to be multiple solutions for the Microsoft ecosystem, from the competitive solutions, looking at shoring up this need. Yeah, it certainly bumps up the priority on some products and features of products that we've been waiting for. Yeah, I just see Liam is on chatting again. He doesn't want to join the discussion. Come on, Liam. He's going to join the Facebook live stream and comment on there. You want to see him here, Liam? Yeah, and Joel as well. And Joel's got the invite. He has the past. So anyway, Liam is saying he has the Elgato stream deck, the Elgato lights. What's the advantage of the Elgato lights, Liam? Is it just lights that are fancy? You paid more? I want to see my name Elgato lights. Yeah, you never hear that phrase. I want to see my name of an Elgato lights. Yeah, never hear that. And then he also has the 4K Pro capture card. I saw that with your purchase, Liam, when you were sharing that out. So I'm envious of that one. There's a couple of them. They're both expensive. One's more expensive than the other. But yeah, that was very envious of that aspect of your purchase, Liam. Yeah, you definitely did it right, Liam. Yeah.  So he's got to stream all his gaming, hardcore gaming. He's got to keep his kids in line.  So I think that's what his I have no idea. I just think he's clanned up. Yeah, let's see any new question. I don't see any other questions here. I don't have anything else lined up. We got another 11 minutes. What else should we talk about? Yeah. What do you guys got going on this week? Anything exciting? More working from home? More of the same. Yeah. Hey, I've got a question. Are either of you guys planning to go and do any in person events this year? You have anything planned? Tentatively. I know that Rackley is very intent on holding the North American Collaboration Summit down in Branson. That's in September? Yeah, towards the end of September. And even though we're in an uncertain state right now, that is one place in one event where if you've ever been to Branson and seen the convention center, you know that it's possible for people to socially distance there. And so attendees of the Branson event, I'm sure can remain socially distant. Now, of course, flights going there and coming back. Different story. That's another thing. But, you know, I drive down. So yeah. Well, my wife just got back from she spent a week in Minneapolis. And I think most of the, obviously, I think she had gloves in the mask the entire time in the airport and they require the masks on the airplane.  So nice. You don't have somebody squished up next to you. So that sounds nice. Yeah, no man spreading. Yep. I'll be doing that same flight out one way. I'm going to be driving my daughter and son-in-law back to Utah. So driving with them and then her father-in-law driving them back out. So I'll get to experience. That'll be my first flight since the beginning of February. So what about you, Christian? You got any plans to attend in person anywhere? So I have. I'm right now. I'm on the schedule for events in October and November. And yeah, I need to verify. I think October over in Germany may conflict with the wedding. So I have to figure that out. I know the SharePoint Fest just adjusted their Seattle dates to October. Are they in October now? Yeah, I believe they are. They sent out that notice. And then they're in Dallas. It looks like they've departed Chicago and they're in Dallas in December. Yeah, I got the notice to submit for the latter one. Oh, by the way, Liam defends himself. He's actually driving between Utah and Mississippi. So he has an excuse for not joining. That's a bit of a long haul, isn't it? Yeah. Oh yeah. And Joel says it's Slovenia Thrive. And then there's M365 Saturday, both in October. Yeah, I think we're going to see. Um, yeah, as Joel says, I think October will be a very big experiment with with events. I know that there I think that the first one that I'm, you know, that I know people are actually planning on is is the North American Collaboration Summit is Rackley's event in Branson. So yeah, Liam's driving 30 hours. He's bragging 30 hours. More power to him. I mean, I'll do the 10 hours down 10 to 12 hours, you know, down to Branson, but 30 hours in the car these days. I don't think I could hack that. Yeah. Well, driving back from Minnesota to Salt Lake, 19 hours. So I'm looking forward to that. We're going to stop off at Mount Rushmore, which is one of my favorite landmarks. Oh, cool. I need to go see that. Never been there. Yeah. The Black Hills are amazing. It's just so beautiful in that area. And then you have to no offense to anybody that might be watching live or the recording who lives in Southern Wyoming.  Oh, man, miles and miles of the same thing over and over. Like, you know, nine, 10 hours of nothing, just nothing. Yeah. And Joel says, go see Crazy Horse. Yeah, I want to see the progress. I want to see how long. So I've been, I've been a couple of times to Rushmore and the Crazy Horse. It's, you know, Chief Crazy Horse on the horse. You're with his hand out. You're doing the point. It's very cool. So I think last time I was there, his hand, you can see his arm at the rock all still beneath it. And you could start to see the horse's head and you can see his face. And, you know, so I'm excited to see the progress made there as well. But yeah, the, and then in November is the European SharePoint 0365 and Azure Conference in Amsterdam. So I'd hate to miss that one because that's, I've been every single year, every time. It's not been every year, but that's all you. Yeah. I still haven't been overseas. I haven't been overseas for quite some time. Joel, Devil's Tower is not in Southern Wyoming. It's up north. It's up at the border there. Yeah, I've been there as well. So that's the wrong direction. We won't be going there otherwise because I thought of that. Don't want to attack another, be about three hours on to the drive to go see Devil's Tower. So not going to do that. The spaceship can pick you up somewhere else? Yes. Yes. Anybody, if you've not seen the classic Devil's Tower is the mountain from close encounters of the third kind. It is exactly what it looks like. That's a real mountain. It was not CGI. It was not a model. It's really cool. You get out and hiking around it. I mean, and when we were there, there were climbers that were up, going up to crevices. It's just, then it was the, I guess it was a, a smokestack. It was the volcano. It just kind of pushed it up and everything else eroded away from it. So it stands out from, you know, around it. There's, it's not like there's a row of these mountains looking like that. It's very unique and otherworldly. It's a, it's a unique location. Very cool. So, oh wait, Liam's not driving right now. That's on, starts next Monday. So he has zero, he's just, he's working hard. That's a weak excuse. Hardly working. Yeah, whatever, whatever. You're not fooling anyone, Liam. Yeah. Well gentlemen, let me see one last pass, see if there's any other new questions that came in. I don't see anything, nothing else. We'll, I think we'll close out this, this round. We will be back next Monday. We'll figure out what's going on with the other simultaneous live stream to the other services. It wasn't turning on again. Work sometimes. Why didn't tonight, this morning? No idea. Just updated my Plex server. So you've got the latest bits when you go out there. Yeah. I'll have to go take a look. The Bodo to movies that I threw out there. Well, thank you so much for, for joining and we'll be back next week. So again, we're at eight AM and six PM Pacific every Monday, except for the 27th of July, when I'll be out on a lake every Monday, except the Monday's Christian doesn't show up. Correct. Feel free to live streaming to do it, gentlemen. Come on. Well, we'll see what it can do. Yeah, maybe. Probably not, maybe. Yeah. I'll definitely consider doing it for five minutes and then. It's a possibility. Yeah. Yeah. It's not how would you be up for that if Christian passed the buck? Okay. Well, you guys could always always collect it, not live stream. You just record it and then we'll just publish the recording. I'll be back Tuesday on Monday night. So there's always that option as well. And we'd always just capture it and promote the recording. Sure. So, but that's a month away. We'll do something. We'll be back Monday. Thanks everybody for watching on the live stream. All five of you. Yeah. Thanks, mom. How's it in the afterlife? That's right. All right, gentlemen. We'll talk to you in a week. All right. See you later. Bye. Take care. Thanks, Christian. Thanks, John.