My name is Christy Drenner. I'm the director of Connectional Resources, Treasurer and Chief Benefits Officer. And we are grateful that you have chosen to come to this training. It's a new training for our area, but we thought, you know, people learn in different ways, some visual, some by seeing, some by doing. And so we thought, you know, charge conference paperwork, you only do it once a year. So it's kind of good to have a refresher or maybe learn it in a different way. And so that's why we decided to do this. But before we start, I would love to open us in prayer. So if you'll pray with me. Dear God, we are grateful for this time. We are thankful for all the people on this call who serve their church in this way by completing this administrative task. While the tasks of the church office are not always the most fun or exciting, they are so critical to the ministry so that we can plan and grow into the future and observe your call on our lives. We are grateful for this time. We ask that you would open our minds and our hearts to learn what you would have us to learn this evening. It's in your sense. Holy STEM, we pray. Amen. All right. I'm going to turn over the show to Shirley Miller to introduce herself and there you go. I think I unmuted myself. I hear you. Can you hear me? Okay, thanks. So I want to thank you all for being here in spending part of your evening with us. We'll be done in under an hour depending on questions, et cetera. I appreciate all the work you do. I appreciate the district administrators who are here to help us answer questions. It turns out I don't monitor chat well while I'm talking, but we will stop and take care of all your questions as we go. I'm going to approach this as if you're new to filling out our online forms, but for those you've been doing it a while and this morning and this evening, I recognize names for folks that have been doing it a while. You might see this as a refresher. We have not changed the compensation or UMPIP form since 2017. We did make some slight changes to the roster for this year. So when we get to that, I'll tell you about that. So we'll just jump in. I sent you the PowerPoint, mostly as a reference or if you printed out, you can follow along. I'm actually going to demonstrate the online forms online. So that way you can follow along there and see how it works, see how the math works, that kind of thing. So again, feel free to post questions or even interrupt. So tonight we're going to talk briefly about the online portal forms and login information. Spend most of our time on best practices for ministerial compensation form and the UMPIP form. We'll spend some time on the online church roster. We'll glance at the required printable forms and then Mary Ellen Vela, representing the Center for Leisure Development, will talk about the marks of fruitfulness forms. So we'll cover all that, it seems like a lot, but actually it'll, I think go quickly. If you ask why do we have to do this? The book of this one tells us it's in paragraph T46 within the pastoral charge. The basic unit in the Connectional System of the United Methodist Church is the charge conference. The charge conference shall therefore be organized from the church or churches and every pastoral charge is set forth in constitution. It shall meet annually for the purposes set forth in paragraph 247 and may meet at other times as indicated in number seven below. So if you have a book of this one and want to read more detail, you can, but just delay the groundwork that your district at superintendent and the conference office did not make up charge conference somewhere back when they made up the book of this one, they put in charge conference. So that's why we do this. The online portals we're going to, forums we're going to talk about tonight, the ministerial compensation report, a UNPIP worksheet and online roster are all at this website, mtcumconline.org. I'll show you how to link to that. You've probably been sent, someone in your church has been sent instructions and overviews that has the link, both of them have the link to this online form. Every August 1st, we reset your church's password to the GCFA number. So your login is always the GCFA number. And now your password is that number unless you've already gone in and changed it. The GCFA number is unique to your church. It starts with either seven or a nine. It's got six digits. If you don't know your number or can't remember it, you can call your district office or if they're not available, call me and we'll tell you what the number is. The reason we reset the password is that we live in an itinerant system. So the preachers move and then we also have staff changes. So no one has to remember the password from the previous year with this system. They just start over and that's worked out well. But anyway, you can call us and get the GCFA number if you don't really have that GCFA number. So now I think we're gonna go live. Yeah, so the next, while the stuff I'm gonna be talking about, you can find on pages six through 15 of the PowerPoint or the PDF I sent to you but I'm gonna stop sharing this PowerPoint and I'm going to now go ahead and share the live screen. She says confidently. Okay, so in your printed materials, it tells you how to get to our online forms place but if you forget, you can always go to our conference website, then go to Connectional Resources, then go to Charge Conference. And then under Online Forms is the link where you're gonna put in, remember your GCFA number is your username and your GCFA number is your password. The system's already defaulted to your Charge Conference forms 2022. If you are actually filling out the compensation report for 2021, you can change it there. But for Charge Conference sake, you don't have to adjust the year at all. I checked with the East District and asked if I could use their site. So when you click on your church, when you enter your church's GCFA number twice, you'll get a password page. You can change your password or if you hit cancel, you, ah, darn it. Okay, sorry. Let me get in again. So I had this open and it must not have liked me leaving it open so long. You can change the password or you can hit cancel and it'll take you to what I call your landing page. It'll say welcome camp wisdom or I'll say welcome, you know, paradise or whatever church you're at, it'll say welcome because I'm using East District. It says welcome East District. The instructions and the overview of the forms were sent to you probably by your district admin, but they're also here. So the overview talks about all three of the forms, the ministerial compensation report, the UMPIP and online roster. The instructions go step by step through the ministerial compensation report and the UMPIP worksheet.  So we're going to start with the compensation report. And so I'm gonna, you can tell, I did this this morning, but I'll start from the beginning. I'll be someone else. When you click on the add new, this page will show up. Your church will already be in this first gray box. Since I'm using East District, it says East District, but you then type it again over here. So if you're Bogota or First Paris or whatever church you are, you type it there. Since I am East District, I'm gonna type East District as my church. Then you type in the pastor, you're doing the compensation report form for, if you only have one pastor in your church, that's easy. If you have several pastors, you're gonna do one for each pastor. So this time we'll just do it for someone else. Then you can say, is a senior or associate? Click the down pick. Since you're doing my assumption right now, so you're filling this out for 2022, January 1, 2022 is when your salary starts for your pastor. You would leave it at January. Many of you have moves during the middle of the year and it's July, so you can switch it to July. Some churches don't change your salaries in January, so when they change them like in April, then they need to select April. But this is charge conference season. We'll assume January is the month you're, when this starts, compensation is effective. And a grayed out box means you can't fill it in, the district's East District. So whatever district you're in, your district will be in that box. Can you, so let's do this a little bit.  All right, so I'm going to fill this out in a couple of different ways, but I'm going to use the minimum salary for a full-time Eldor Deacon that hasn't changed for a couple of years now and in their first year. And that is $50,236. That's the minimum salary. I'm going to do the first example with no percentage. So I would tab down, it fills in the zeros for me, and then in box four, did it not fill it in? That is not good, hold on. Yeah, it tells you the total. So you can, some churches have grants or equitable compensation. And so maybe your church has been awarded $5,000. If that's the case, the church is gonna pay 45, the conference is sending $5,000 for the year, and it still comes out to $50,236. Or maybe you have a pastor who wants an non-accountable business allowance, which is just cash you give them monthly without a reimbursement, and so that's there. Oh, that's a lot, isn't it? So anyway, so it still comes out to $50,236. So line four is all the, well, I would say cash that your pastor, the salary they intend to be paid. If it's not, our legislation says that if you don't have a percentage that the housing allowance should be $12,000 for the year. Again, this is an annual report. You would fill this out annually for January through December, or if you have a pass or change in the life, still use annual numbers. So it's always filled out annually. And then you can see that the total there is $62,236. So that is how that would work out in this case for non-parsenage clergy compensation report. Now, maybe what you really wanna do is have some money in utilities. So you can do that. And it still comes out to $62,236.  There are some rules about that.  And if anyone wants to talk to me offline about that, I can explain the rules to you. We assume salary, assume housing and utilities. So, but you can take that total and make it be what it works for you. Any money you put in housing and utilities, for example, then becomes an IRS issue. And that's on y'all to figure out what you do. But here's how it's a semi-legal issue and Chris can jump in for us. When this salary is voted on at charge conference, you can't then change your housing allowance whenever you want. It is a charge conference action that's set. And so this is, if the IRS comes wanting to audit you, this is your proof that you had this much money in housing, whatever it was. So you can't just, if you can change your housing allowance throughout there, if you need to, but it's not just something you and the secretary, you by yourself can do, it becomes the actual action at your church. So we can talk more about that if you need to, but that's, I just wanna show you, I could do the numbers. So now let's do a parsnage.  Their box grays out, there's no housing allowance. And so parsnage is handled utilities differently. Some churches, the office pays all the utilities at the parsnage and the pastor never sees the bill, but it's still part of your basic $50,236 compensation. So you've moved $5,000 out of your cash to $5,000 in utilities. So it's also possible that maybe you in a parsnage would like to just be directly reimbursed for some sort of utilities. And so you could say, well, I wanna put $1,000, I'm using numbers that are hard to buy by 12 right there. And so as you can see, adding all these lines together still comes out to the minimum salary of $50,236. So I'm gonna leave that there for the moment, but that I hope shows the different ways that you can take whatever, and this would be true if you're a part-time pastor or whatever, if you're making $2 million or $10,000, whatever it is, these are the ways you can use the compensation report to distribute that income and housing. So the next thing I wanna talk about are salary reductions. This is designed to help the local church know how much to pay you. We will come back to line 10. If you're a full-time pastor at the 2012 general conference, they voted that pastors need to help, need to contribute to their pension and they need to contribute at least 1% in order to get full benefit of their pension. So that's a huge long conversation that if you wanna do offline, we can do. So line 10, and this is, you go to the UMPIP worksheet to figure out what you wanna do. So we'll come back to line 10. Similarly, line 17 and 18 because a pastor can do their UMPIP either before tax, after tax Roth or after tax. So those lines will come back and fill in after we do the worksheet. Line 11 through 15 have to do with the pastor's health insurance. So I'm gonna select that this is a full-time pastor right now, did you see the benefits pop in? For 2022, the church for a full-time pastor will be billed $11,100 for that person's health insurance. They might decide to pick a plan that costs more than that. There's one more plan that costs more than that and that would work out to $468 a year. So that's a salary reduction. We're not asking the local church to pay anything beyond this as a benefit. Everything else the pastor might select, dental, vision, a more expensive plan would be a salary reduction. Similarly, if the pastor has his or her spouse or family, your church, it's a salary reduction. So maybe you have just your spouse on there. This is a made up number, the 9,000 but it's $9,000 that will come out of the salary to support the spouse's health insurance. They could pick a health flexible spinning account like say I wanna have 600 extra dollars for extra health stuff. So that would come out of my being overage. So all of lines 11 through 15 are what I call, we call health insurance overages. But the church is expected to pick up the 11,100. If everything the pastor selects for their medical insurance and is over that, then it's a salary reduction. And you can see that then it's adding up how much reduction that is right there. And then line 20 gives you what's left doesn't include housing. Remember it's line four minus line 16, 19 to divide by 24, 12 or however you pay your pastor. It's to help the local church figure out what kind of check don't need the right to the pastor. So though all those reductions before tax and after tax are to help you in the local church figure out what is the actual salary check gonna look like not counting housing stuff. So those are the reduction sections. So then we mentioned the required benefits. If you're a full-time pastor in our conference then you are in our pension program which is called CRISP and in the conference health insurance which is administered through HealthFlex. If you're a three-quarter pastor you cannot be in the health insurance but you can be in the pension or you can waive it. If you're a half-time pastor you can be in the pension program or you can waive it. The quarter-time pastor is not qualified for the pension and that's per general conference not us. Retired pastors also do not qualify for the pension program and TDS pastors do not qualify. So we're for the sake of illustration using the full-time pastor so that you can see the benefits and what's going on there. And this is built to your church it's not a salary reduction, it is a benefit.  But anyway for tonight we're talking about a full-time pastor. So if some churches set up in their budget a reimbursement amount. So they say, okay pastor head we're gonna put $2,000 or let's just make it easy we're gonna put $2,400 a year in our church budget then that you can turn in receipts within 60 days right to be reimbursed for. So if you take a lay leader out to lunch and you pay for it and you wanna turn in receipt you can if you go to a continuing education event and your registration and expenses as long as there's money you can turn in receipts to get it or items like that. This is a user to lose it kind of thing like if the pastor only uses $2,000 you don't write a check then at the end of the year for $400 to the pastor because this is a budget line item all these this is only based on receipts or handed in with proper documentation in a proper timeframe to be reimbursed. Not every church you can at the end of the year like take that S400 and put it on then 2023's budget if you want or you can start over however you wanna do that. If you don't have an adopted employer or reimbursable expense plan then you just leave on no and you can't fill it out. In your charge conference paperwork there is an adoption agreement for reimbursables that I think you're required to turn in every year but that doesn't mean that you are actually putting money in here that's on you and the local church's budget. So and then a totally optional lines 22 and 23 some meaning two or three churches have an automobile for their pastor and then more churches have what we call dependent health flex premiums. So this is if your church this is not a salary reduction but your church has a benefit says hey I'm gonna pay for all your family's health insurance then you would type in in your church whatever that is if it's 14,000, if it's 9,000 they're never gonna be even numbers even numbers says to me we haven't done the math but for sake of illustration you would put that in there. So again, 22 and 23 are completely optional and not very many churches use it but we wanted to point out those boxes. So let's say you are either the administrative assistant or the pastor of your church or even the SPRC chair and you've got to get it all approved and so you start to fill this out. In order to save it you've got to have something in these boxes. So but I haven't gone to SPRC yet I don't know when they're gonna sign it I haven't talked to church treasure so you can put in an X and you'll be able to save the documents. You'll find if you don't fill these out and then you click save, it tells you you can't do it. So but in order not to lose your work because no one wants to lose their work just put an X in there or you can I wouldn't honestly put their names in until it's gone to them because that way you can be confident that you've actually met with SPRC or your church treasure. I would prefer that you would put full elder or whatever you got in this blank but if you don't fill it out no one's gonna, it won't matter. So this section that says for district and conference use only there are two not Roman numerals that you can rely on. Roman numeral eight is the pension plan compensation. So that number is goes toward the UMPIP match. It's a number that you can check and see and so also you can apply some churches can apply for insurance supplement that's the number they use to find what their eligibility level is. So that number we use the number 10 we added about three, four years ago and that's a total pass or a cost of the church. So that includes everything. If you put money, if you put funding and optional benefits in reimbursables, the required benefits of pension and health insurance, housing, everything that you're paying the pastor will show up here. So I have worked with a church or two that says we have $90,000 and that's gotta cover the required benefits and everything else. And then so we can work backwards and every time you change a number up here like if I changed this to, you know, and they're getting paid more than minimum tab down that total changes. So that gives you the option to play around. If that's the way your church is operating, we only have this much cash for part-time or full-time pastor, then you can look at that number and it'll help you track where you are and all that that I need to know. So let, does anyone have another, you know, there are a lot of questions in chat. Have they been answered? Nope, we're all, we're on top of it. Okay, great. Okay. Wait, hang on one second. I'll wait. This came up with a previous pastor had expense reimbursable account. Not sure I need or want this. What is the process I need to complete to renegotiate this account? So that's just a conversation that you would have with your church as you're setting the budget for next year. That is an important point. If you move mid-year, whatever the amount for the reimbursable expense is just for half of that year. So if the line item is 2,000 and there's a mid-year move that pastor should have only spent 1,000 and there's 1,000 left for the back end of the year. So that's really just a conversation with your local church. Since it doesn't affect compensation, that's more of a budget question. That's correct. Okay, I'm going to save this. We're going to come back to it. Now we're going to go to the UMPIP worksheet. And you notice that it filled in Keith's name. Look at this red line here. If you are a quarter time retired or TBS, do not fill this out. If you are three quarter, one half and waving pension, do not fill this out. You're done. You don't have to come do this worksheet. But if you are full-time or if you're part-time not waving, then you need to come do this worksheet. The compensation worksheet was, compensation report contained annual numbers. Now we're moving to monthly numbers. So the instructions are embedded here for people who like to read instructions and the instructions on the PowerPoint or the PDF or pages 16 through 18 and this. But so this is a worksheet. This worksheet does not talk to the compensation report. You have to fill this out, then you'll have to annualize it, then you go back to the compensation report and fill in your number. This is just to help you figure out the 1%. Again, in 2012, and it's all explained down here at the bottom of the worksheet, the general conference voted that in order for a pastor to receive a full 3% match from a local church, he or she had to contribute at least 1% to their pension in the UNPIP category. So at that point, and I would say almost 100% of our pastors do that, but again, this is a worksheet. It's gonna help the pastor determine the 1% then decide if he or she wants to do just 1% or more and whether they want to be before tax, after tax, or after tax raw. So let's take the same minimum salary. We'll say there's no parsnage. I'm sorry if I typed that, okay, right. So that's the base compensation. They didn't put anything on the first several one in utilities and they're putting 12, well, let's make it harder. Let's say they're gonna put 2,000 in utilities and 10,000 in housing. So you can see that their pension plan compensation, which is salary plus housing is 62, 236. The 1% amount is 622, $622.36. We always round up to 623. So I'm being paid minimum salary. I don't really feel what is 623 a month. It's about $52, I think, oh, okay. Well, I can afford $100. So I think I don't wanna do my 1%. So I think I'm gonna say, I'm gonna do $100 and I can change this to dollars. So then I'm saying I wanna contribute before tax as a salary reduction $100 a month to my UMPIP. It may be that 1% is about all I can handle. So I'm gonna put in one, leave it at percent. And then that's what's going to be what I put in for my annual UMPIP contribution. A pastor can decide if they want to be before tax, after tax, after tax or off. I've actually had some pastors use at least two of these. Most don't. Most use before tax in an increasing percentage of folks are doing after tax. And again, you could put in the 1% or you can say, again, I can afford $100 a month. So I think I wanna do $100 after tax or off. So the pastor gets to pick. So if you are filling us out for a pastor, you need to be in conversation with him or her about what they wanna do. You can fill the worksheet out together. Here she can say, well, I want to do the bare minimum or I'd like to do more. There's actually a maximum limit that IRS sets. And I think it's, I'm gonna get this correct me if I'm wrong, it's like 26.5 if you're over 55. Because there's a catch up or 50, I don't remember, because I couldn't afford that. If I'm making 50,000 a year, I'm probably gonna look for something smaller than the IRS max. We will check you on that if you do the max, we'll make sure. So this form is to help you figure out what you're gonna do. We have some larger churches that have a bunch of lay people in addition to clergy and UNPIP. And so they say, surely you don't have to tell the general board, which is also Westpap, we will. So if you, in filling us out, click church, then I'm not gonna let the general board of pensions know what your pastor needs deducted and you'll need to contact them and make sure that's correct. So you get the correct bill from them. We always say put conference and then it's on me if we get it correct or not. But anyway, I think it's a good idea but anyway, so let's go back and do a Parsonage. So if you have a Parsonage, you lost the housing line, right?  So say I'm gonna put in the 45, 236 and then $5,000 is in utilities because there's gonna be Parsonage utilities somehow. So again, the form and Westpap, the general board, factor in the value for the Parsonage. You don't have to do the math, it's been factored in. And so the 1% for a pastor in the Parsonage at a minimum salary would be $627.95, which is $628 a year or about $52, $53 a month. So same process then. The pastor says, okay, I think I wanna be billed 1%. So I'm gonna pick that or I wanna go $100. I'm gonna pick that. And then again, they could say, well, I'll do after tax, after tax fraud, they can pick. So we're gonna leave this on the Parsonage example and I'm gonna say that I think I can afford $100 a month. Now remember, this is monthly. So you check this, you sign this, you have to date it. If you don't do any of that, I won't let you out. And you save it. So remember, I can print it out, but I can remember I said I'm gonna do $100 pre-tax. I'm gonna save that. So now I figured out how much money I wanna do for my salary reduction as part of my pension. So now I have to go back to the compensation report and finish it. So remember, I said I wanted to do $100 a month and so that's $1,200. So look right here. Right now, I can tell by the 2% that the pastor has not contributed yet to their UMPIP. They're not matching. But once I put in a match, it changes to three. I know then that the pastor has matched the deal. And then that concludes what you have to do. Now, if you said, now I'm gonna do this as a after-tax Roth, same concept, still works. So you just fill it in. And so what we do, the district office and I, when we get your UMPIP worksheet and your compensation report, we compare those to see if they're filled out correctly. If you said you wanted to do 1%, let's just do zero. And 1%, remember down here, 1% of 627.95 would be 627. Watch this, if I only put in 627, it didn't change. Roundup, if you aren't in the 1% roundup. And so that shows you that you put in the appropriate amount for your 1% match. One of the other things I neglected to say is that when you finish filling out your report, contact your district office and they'll sign it. Once they sign it, it's locked. I get a message that it's signed, then I check it. And if I have questions, I'll go back to your district administrator who then will go back to you. So, but once it's signed by the district, it's locked to the local church. The district can unlock it if you decide to change some things during charge conference season. But I just forgot to say that. So that, are there questions about the UMPIP and the before we move on and the conference site? Which? Do you want to go ahead and unmute and ask what you specifically made clarity on that might be easier? This is Trini from on first road. Can you go back to the UMPIP? Worksheet? Worksheet? Yeah. Okay. What is it? Okay, you want me to click on the worksheet itself? Yes, please. Okay, there you go. Okay, so in number six. Yeah. The total, I mean the whatever total that will come. And this one is this for, if you do not check anything like this, this is the amount that will come out from the salary of the pastor, right? If you do not wish to be billed. No, you have to check everything. This is a worksheet. It says nothing except helps you figure out your 1%. So you literally, this is just for you at the local church and the pastor to fill out. No amounts are filled in automatically. So even if you did the worksheet and the pastor said, oh, well, I'm just not going to contribute. Then you wouldn't put anything in line 10 or 17 or 18 on the UMPIP. So, no, this is a worksheet. None of these numbers talk to the compensation port. There's no automatic billing for the UMPIP. We automatically bill for benefits, but this is a salary reduction. The bill comes from West Path or the general board. And that's, it's not automatic. Oh, it's all self-determined. Oh, okay. Training, is your pastor in a car snag or not? No. Okay, so, so in your case, you would fill in the base compensation, whatever housing you have, and then your housing, whatever utilities if they pick in. And then we do have the exclusion. And we say, okay. So you would fill in everything you paid on the compensation report. The housing allowance, housing exclusion and compensation. And then that would tell you that pastor's 1%. And then, then you all have to make a decision, you know, am I going for the 1% or am I? If he selects this monthly, I mean the number 7C, which is often do wrong. If he wants to do that, yeah. So you pick which one, some pastors do two or three, which, you know, West Path figures out, I don't have to figure out how to just tell them. But, but yeah, no, most of our taxes do, most of our pastors do before tax, which has to do with retirement and housing allowance and other subjects. But yeah, no. So the pastor picks. And so if you're filling out the form with him or her, you'll need to talk about it. Okay. Am I answering your question? Yes. Okay, great. Okay. Thank you. There was another question. I don't think we answered that someone wanted me to go over something again. I think Liz addressed it with Margie and said that she would work with her directly. Mark has a question that says the insurance option period comes after charge conference forms are due. How can you accurately answer line 13? He came in late. He said, he's sorry if you've already answered this, but a refresher is not bad. You know, you came in late, but I skipped it. So open. So thank you for asking that question. I apologize. I told Christie, I write down notes and I quit to read. Then I don't read them anymore. Open enrollment for the pastor starts November 3rd. And so they don't know yet. Your pastor may not know what he or she is going to. They may not know what they are going to do. They may not know what they are going to do. They may not know what health insurance plan they are going to pick, whether they are going to do dental or vision. They may not know at that moment if they are covering their family or if they are making an FSA or HSA deal. You can leave lines 11 through 15 blank for charge conference. If it's before November 3rd through the 18th.  And ask the district to unlock the form because you want to fill in these annual amounts. So we understand that people are starting charge conferences like in a week or two. And you don't know the answers to 11 through 15. So please leave zeros. And then you can go back in November, early December and adjust it. And get accurate annual numbers. So I do know for a fact that if you call our office and we're going to say, go back to your enrollment and print out what you picked, because then you'll be able to see how much more you owe than the church is going to pay per month. So the church, you're going to be billed $925 a month for sure. For the health insurance. It may be that it costs more than that for you. And so you need to fill out this. So thank you for asking that question. We understand that you don't have that information yet. And we also are happy for you to fix that after you enroll in your health insurance, know what these numbers are. And then so you just have your district open it, you re put it in there, we save it, they resign it. And it's correct. Surely can I say something. Yeah, please. I don't just speak for Metro district. It is of great help to us. If you ask for this to be unlocked so that those numbers can be updated once you do know your health care costs. Because it helps the numbers and checkout. Be much more accurate. Good point. And then. When the next minister comes in. We have a fair. Conclusion is to what's a salary reduction. And what was part of the actual salary. Correct. Thank you, Liz. Any other questions about compensation report or you know, P worksheet. I'm missing. Okay. So I want to go on to the last online form then and we can come back at the end and answer more questions if it seems clear as mud. So the one thing we have changed is the roster. And. We'll see. I've already filled up part of this. Okay. Right. Okay. So if you look on the 19th page of your PowerPoint or your PDF, there's a pop up note that's going to come up and it's going to say. Billing contacts are required. Lay leaders required. You can put none in there if it doesn't apply. So I may need to fill another church. I don't know. Let's. If you need me to show you the pop up will come back. So. New this year. We're trying to streamline our systems in the conference office and you know that you get bills from us apportionment property and some of you get health and pension billing. And so we want the right person to be getting those bills. And so new this year we've added these three contacts. Asking you to fill them in. So. So I did this earlier today, but let's say let's update it. Let's, let's decide that I'm not doing any more of it. Shanna. Porter is. Okay. And she works here. So all of this is correct. We'll save it. So also she does. She's going to do the property insurance. So we're going to put in Shanna. Porter. And again, I just didn't take time to fill this out earlier. And all the rest. And you save it. So, but I'm in a real small church. We don't have health insurance and pension billing. So if you just type none in here. You can save it in the pop up won't pop up anymore. Okay. In addition. We need the lay leader. So you saw that pop up when I started it and it said, you need the lay leader. So the lay leader at our church is named Zachary head. And anyway, so you'd fill in all this information, you know, head app. And so I'm just not doing it for sake of time. But we need all of that. What we don't want is admin. A lot of your emails are admin app. You can do the admin app, but we need a name with you. You know, so if it, if I'm the admin app, like Marielle is a CDL admin, but we need Marielle Vela. So. So anyway, these four, the three billing contacts and the lay leader.  It doesn't mean you can't save it and leave it. It just means you'll get the pop up. You'll get the pop up. You'll get the pop up. You'll get the pop up. You'll get the pop up. You'll get the pop up. And every year you're going to have positions already filled in. If it's the same, click up, click, update and save. And then the date will pop in and we'll know when you did it. The other thing I want to say is we added another new one down here. Disaster responsible liaison. Jeremy Bassett's our new disaster response coordinator. And he's trying to get a good list of who you would talk to at your local church. If there were some sort of disaster. If there were some sort of disaster response. If there were some sort of disaster response. If there were some sort of disaster response. Your churches are arranged in. Different types of ways, right? So, so here's a church council choice. Administrative council chair. Administrative board chair, council ministry chair. If you have a simple organization and all of those are just one person, just pick the one of the four you like the best and put it in there. Don't enter that person four times. If you happen to have an administrative board and a council council, you don't have to put it in there. If you still have both put them in, but you literally don't have to put the same person and all four, just pick the one that matches your church, the best and use one of those categories. So back up here. The other thing I want to say about the roster, because we're trying to streamline and be accurate about who we send our bills to in the local church. If you make a change. During the year, if you would remember to come back to the online roster and do that. You can also, it could be on any of these positions, but in particular for selfishly for the conference office, if you make a billing change, if you'll go to your online roster and do that. And do update. I will actually get an email saying that you updated your billing contact in whatever category. And then I'll make sure our systems get it. That's not true for all these positions, but the ones that are at the pop up addresses will get that information. So that's a change. Usually you have charge conference, you fill it out and that's it. You don't ever touch it again. We're asking you to you as a pastor and or staff to remember that this roster is here and to fill it out when you have changes. Lay member Daniel conference or lay leader or whatever. It's very important that you tell your district office that you changed that too. But this will help us going forward to have an updated online roster. Okay. So I'm going to leave the online forms. So I'm going to stop sharing on the online forms and go to our conference website. I hope. Maybe I didn't have to do that. Whatever. So can you see, can y'all see this one? Christie. Okay. Thanks. So. They didn't hire me for my technical abilities. I just want to say that. Okay. So. You would get a checklist from your district of everything in need to turn in that's been to every year. It's usually pretty close to the same. Remember we've been doing online forms. Here's the overview, the instructions for the compensation. Here's how you get to the forms. Then you have a bunch of other forms that you have to fill out. This is where you find them. It's on our conference website under. Connectional resources under charge conference. So. If you have a, you know, your pastor has to fill out a report. There, then that report is there for the pastor to fill out. If you need to fill out your trustees report, your trustees report is there. And, you know, and it has some things filled in, but not everything. These coverages. Evidently your church has and you can fill them in. Don't ask me. So. But there are people you can ask. So all of these are. All these are. All these are. All these reports that you're being requested to turn in. Or here on our conference website. That's, and I think the instructions, the district sends you directs you there. But just to say that's where they are. And then by September 1st. These checklists will be updated in case you can't find them. In the emails that you were sent. From your districts. So. That really is the end of what I need to say. And I'm going to switch it to Marielle. Okay. But at the end of the PowerPoint or PDF I sent you. Are all your district email and my email. If you need to contact us. The district is where you start. It's not that I want to help you. It's just that they need to send you. For your charge conference. I might not, but I certainly can help you with online forms. And specific questions related to compensation. Okay. I'm going to stop sharing. And turn it over to Marielle. Thank you, Shirley. You guys able to see that? Okay. Yes. All right. Well, good evening. My name is Mary Ovella. And I am the administrative assistant for the center for. Leadership development. And I will briefly be going through the required year in forms for clergy and SPRC, including charge profile review form marks of fruitfulness. And the clergy personnel form. So these forms are available for completion between September 1st and December 15th. To begin, I'd like to direct you to the marks of fruitfulness page that can be found on our website. As seen on the slide on the marks of fruitfulness page, you will find the review sheet that you can use to become familiar with the skills and competencies that will be evaluated. You'll find SPRC and clergy log in information. And you will also find instructions on how to complete the required forms. So once you're ready to log in and begin, you will visit the website on the slide and log in using the instruction. So just a quick note. I often get asked which year needs to be in that dropdown menu. So it'll always be the upcoming year. So just keep that in mind that gets confusing sometimes. And then this is an example of what the SPRC forms page looks like once you've created a new password. The first form is going to be a very helpful informational document that you will need to start with. The second and third forms are for recommended reading. And then the last three forms are what is actually going to be completed by you. So the charge profile contains questions regarding demographic and statistics for the area. It should be reviewed and updated. And then this is an example of what the SPRC forms page looks like once you've created a new password. The first form is going to be a very helpful information. So the SPRC form is going to be reviewed and updated with current information and the SPRC and pastor should work together to complete it. So because this form is only located on the SPRC login, the pastor will sign and date along with the SPRC. So be sure to select save. And I also recommend copying your work as you go into a word document just to prevent any loss. And then on the review form, the SPRC form is going to be reviewed and updated. And then the SPRC form is going to be reviewed and updated with current information concerning appointment situation. And it must be completed for each appointed clergy person. So just as a quick note, a question I receive often is about two point charges. So only one church will have the ability and is required to fill out the review form as well as the marks of fruitfulness forms online. So the review and update for current information. And then save as you go. And this is your annual assessment for clergy required by the cabinet. And it is used for formational purposes by the SPRC. And this will also need to be completed for each appointed clergy person. Again, if you're part of a two point charge, only one church will have the ability and is required to fill this out. You'll go through each of the three sections and be sure to save as you go. All components must be completed and the system will indicate the progress toward completion. So please note that hitting the complete button will lock the form. So make sure you've made all of your edits before you do that. Right. And then the last four slides I'm sharing with you are examples of the clergy log inside. So like SPRC clergy will use the instructions from that same marks of fruitfulness page. That we looked at from the beginning. And you will have the option to change your password and your form section will look just like this. It's like the other forms you will go through an update for each of the three sections. Complete all the components. And the system will indicate your progress. And then be sure you have made all of your edits before you hit that complete button. And that is all I have for you. And I put my email in the description. And then you will finally reach the marks of fruitfulness page. Evaluation for yourself. So this is your annual assessment required by the cabinet and use for informational purposes by the SPRC. Just like the other one, you will go through each of the three sections, complete all the components. And that is all I have for you. And I put my email at the very bottom there. So be sure to reach out to me if you have any questions. Thank you. Thank you, Mario. So we're open to any questions that you might have. So Tammy Galloway has a question about marks of fruitfulness. She says last year, the forms timed out after a certain amount of time. Will that be the case again this year? I'm not sure of any changes in that. But last year we haven't changed anything since then. So that could be the case. That's why I recommend kind of keeping a document going as you go. Just in case, you know, your computer dies, something happens. It's good to just keep that backed up somewhere. Once again, I can only speak for the Metro district, but in the case of two point charges. Where each church feels they want their say. They want their opinion. I can create a generic marks of fruitfulness page, send it to them. Now they will have to, you know, manually fill it out, scan it and email it to me. But it does give away for both churches to have. Representation with the district superintendent. Just to back you up, Liz. When I was a district administrator, we did the same thing. We did the same thing. We did the same thing. We did the same thing. We did the same thing. They could work through me to the church. It's not primary to fill out their marks of fruitfulness or whatever they need to fill out, really forms. So I think that can be true for any district. The other thing I want to add is that. In the case of the church log in. Oftentimes there's multiple people going in as the church. And so the number of people that go into the church site. And the number of people that are in it previously can't get into it. And so I can tell you what the password is. On each of the levels, but try to minimize the number of people going into the church site. Well, if I don't see any other questions, we truly appreciate your time. We know there are more exciting things to do on a Thursday night and we appreciate your time and hope that this will ease your. Experience this fall, you know, where to find us if you have any additional questions. Thank you all so much. Thank you.


Hello there. Hi there. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Oh, good. Oh, I think I have to log out and in again. I hear like a weird voice, like your voice really weird and it happened before and I'll be back in a second. Okay. Yeah, now it's weird. Be back. Okay. I hope it's better. How's that sound? Yeah, now, I don't know. It happens the third time it's happening. It's like this metallic kind of voice and first I thought it was the other person's connection. Yeah. And then everyone said no, I hear everyone fine. And then I just long in and out again and it's fine. I don't know what it is. You're in London, right? I am. Yeah. I don't know whether there, because there was like a big snowstorm and everything over there as well, right? Yeah, we didn't get so much where I live there. We got, we got a little bit, which to be fair is kind of a big snowstorm for the UK. Because we just don't, we don't get much snow. So it's super exciting that we got any snow at all and it actually stuck around for a couple of days, which is super unusual. It's actually a little better right now. It's been like, it's been like, I don't know, like 1112 degrees. So what? Oh, I'm, I'm more familiar with Salsis than her. Oh, good. Okay. I don't have to guess and do math in my head because that's hard. So it's been a lot, it's been a lot nicer and it's been not raining so we can actually get out and do some walks, which is good. Yeah, nice. I'm in DC, but I'm originally from Germany. Okay. And they got a lot of snow, like where my parents lived, it was like childhood memory, like that kind of snow did not exist for, yeah, like decades there hasn't been that kind of snow was really beautiful but Yeah, I can see pictures. I have friends in Berlin and I can see pictures of snow. Definitely pretty. Now we're all working from home. It doesn't really matter before I didn't like it because you had because of the commute. Now it's like, oh, yeah, snow is actually nice. Yeah, now it's not so bad. I sit inside of the cup of tea and look out the window. Hey, Steven. Hey, Josh. Hey there. Hey. Oh, wow. Hey, this is the first time I've had this in the background and a call. Welcome to my our second pantry. The, because the problem is that when you make like, eight or nine different ethnic cuisines, a regular size pantry is not big enough. So this pantry holds all the Indian stuff and all the sweet ingredients. See what else. Olive oil, got a lot of olive oil. Yes, we don't even have a single pantry. We live in a tiny flat. Yeah, well London. Yep. Why do you think I moved to Portland. Yeah, in Portland, I did. Well, my pantry wasn't as big as yours, but I had a pretty good size pantry and then I had more more shelves and the garage that I used for. Yeah, stuff too. So, okay, I didn't even know what we have on the agenda today. It's been a difficult week. So typed in. Wow. We don't, we don't even have an agenda today. Oh wait, no, yes, we do. Sorry, I wasn't. I did the same, I did the same thing. I didn't scroll far enough. Yeah. Okay. So we just start going through. Our, our agenda such as it is. For governance I don't have anything in particular to report because between power outages and being buried by unrelated work. I haven't advanced any of my particular to do this. So we'll discuss last meeting. Dawn, was there anything for governance to discuss here. No, I've made no progress on anything. So yeah, sorry. I did lots of work presentations, internal. Yeah, that's what I've spent the last two weeks doing. Yeah. Yeah, for my part we have upcoming we have back to back. We've had summit in Kubecon spring. So it's consuming my life right now. Oh, Kubecon. Yeah, I don't know why anybody even goes for that, but it's part of my job. Hey dude, I'm going to be, I'm going to be getting up at three in the morning in order to attend Kubecon. So, the suckers are the ones who are doing all the reviews, right? Thank you. Thank you for your thoughtful reviews. But do we actually before we continue with the agenda. Do we have a new face. Anita. Yeah, hi. So all of us because we should introduce ourselves to it's not that many people. No, yeah. I, I definitely am aware, I believe, of most of you, just from having senior activities with the CNCF. My name is Anita. I work for a small company called RXM. I'm a cloud native training and consulting firm and we usually like to try to hop in as many CNCF meetings as possible just to keep up with the cloud native space and check out what's going on. So I'm really here more of as an observer, just to see, you know, the work that you guys are doing and try to inform my team. Cool. I'm Josh, I work for Red Hat. I got involved with this mainly from the governance side of things. I'm Don Boster. I work for VMware and likewise I'm interested in kind of governance and community strategy topics, which is what I do at VMware. So that's why I'm here. I'll go. I'm Catherine. I'm with buoyant and interested in the whole strategy and more the technical ways of improving that. Hey, I'm Steven Augustus. I am alongside Josh and Paris, one of the co-chairs. Yeah, I do some Kubernetes stuff and would love to do more like it across the CNCF. Sorry, I'm off video because I have a ginormous sandwich that I'm making to myself. I'm Carolyn van Slike. I work at Microsoft and I help lead the contributed growth working group here. Yeah, thanks so much for introducing. It's really great to talk and meet with all of you. I've definitely seen your names and faces all over the space so it's exciting to get to hear you guys work together and talk a bit about this. Everyone was incredibly humble with their introduction. Maybe it's because like you guys feel like you're in the work you're so in the zone that it doesn't quite feel as big but what from an outside perspective, it's definitely very different. I agree. Okay. So, back to our agenda and by the way, as a warning, I need to drop at 11 my time. So, Steven if you can take over at that point. Or anytime before then if you want to. Yeah, the. Okay, so contributed growth has some stuff to report. Carolyn. Catherine has submitted the first PR for the framework feedback, and it's looking really good. I think we just have like a couple edits and then we can merge it. I think we still need more feedback or addressing feedback on the playbook for the recruiting playbook so not quite sure what the status of this PR is, if we need more reviews or we just need to work on the feedback that was given. I mean, to extend though, we can improve things and push them to the website I'm in favor of getting MVPs up there because even if it's not, you know, complete and extensive it's better than nothing. Oh my gosh, I am 100% with you on that I'd much rather merge it and then have other people who have ideas and edits submit their own PR on top and having one person try to coordinate and synthesize a bunch of feedback into text. Yeah, it's not fun. Let's not ask people to do that. So I definitely like to merge stuff sooner. What's the, what's the order of operations is it the content. The, the one with the mage file in it. Does that one have to go in first. Oh, for the website. Um, now it's the other way around since you have contribute needs to get merged first. And then we can merge the other one. Because it references that the main website that actually does the build is in our repository and just some content is in CNC of contribute. But the content needs to be in the right directory structure. That's why we need that first. Cool, cool, cool. Okay, so who needs to approve stuff on the contributory pro for it to merge. Yeah, I just paint them again this morning to see. Okay. Yeah, I would say let's set up a meeting on the horse calendar. You know, and just say this is this is when we're merging everything. I think that's going to work better. Okay, and keep in mind he's European time so the Well, even further field actually, right. Yeah, but he stays up late. I'm just saying scheduling a meeting at three p.m. Pacific would not be successful. The, I think he's GMT plus what three four something like that. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's going to be the way to go is just go ahead and put a meeting on his calendar and call it merging new contributor site. Because, because the problem is you can't really do this asynchronously because if you merge the can the stuff in the contribute repo, and then don't merge the other stuff for 24 hours. I mean mind you, nobody really uses the current contribute site so even if it was down for 24 hours. I'm not convinced anyone would notice. I wouldn't make the current contribute site down just to be. Oh really. No, no. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well then forget what I said about the meeting just. Oh, nag him nag him about merging it. Yeah. Okay, I'll do that. I'll keep going at it. Yeah, he's on it as of 37 minutes ago looks like he he responded to great. Okay, cool. Yeah, and then we'll be good and then we can start adding more things because Saturday gave a thumbs up on sub projects template. Although I still have pending edits from dawn on that so the so we'll be merging that quite yet but it's it's technically approved because the edits are small wording things. It's not anything that needs to be approval by our liaison. Speaking of which, we should do some kind of meeting with the liaisons, because we have a new liaison. Yeah, it'd be great to meet him. So, the, we can invite them to our next. Next meeting, or is that in your circle. No, no, that's meeting after next. So, so next week we could actually do it. Cool. Ooh, and someone else will need to run the ball for that because I will miss the first half hour of next week. So, actually, isn't this every other week this meeting. Oh, you're right. It is every other week. So next meeting is maintained or so it is maintain your circle. So yeah, we're not going to have it not, we're not going to get them until the end of March. So, okay. I have a question. Have we come back about the proposal for our talk to keep kind of you. So I think we need to be doing about that. Your email address is on it yeah. Should be. I don't know when the acceptance is go out. I don't know. I mean you would hear first, basically. Well, then I've heard nothing. Yeah. All right, yes. Someone would know. Someone would know exactly what the timing is. So I think we've, I think we've said it. Have we said it? Maybe probably. Next week. Okay. For the, at least for the, was it submitted as a main track or maintain or track. It's maintain or track. Probably still next week. All right. I will keep a lookout. Yeah, we've got a meeting later today to firm up some final bits. So coming soon. Okay. I just need to know when I should start freaking out about not having finished the talk. Oh, you can freak out. Oh good.  So more on contributor growth. No, that's it. Okay. Cool. Okay. I'm going to close the agenda again. Sorry. Hold the various pull requests up. Just in time. Because I think she's next up on the agenda. Oh, perfect. Maintain or circle next. Next cycle. Yes. I think we're still looking for one more presenter. If I remember correctly. I think Sarah and about. We're going to be our first presenter. It's parents on the call. Yeah. Apparently not. What's the, what's the topic? Give me one sex if I did. I think Paris said she could attend the second half of this call. Not the first. I'm sorry. I was asking if Paris was around because I haven't hosted it before. So I've read through all the documentation, but I just wanted to have someone on backup to make sure I don't think. Sorry. I'm still looking for the topic. Yeah. Okay. Steven, do you want to introduce inclusive naming. Initiative. Yeah. So for the folks who had an opportunity to hang out on the last maintainer circle, Celeste and I walked you through some like scenarios around. What you might do if you wanted to change names. Of things in your project. For the inclusive naming initiative. We're starting to kick off work streams. The work streams are broadly like categorized as a pillar or sort of pillar or vertical work streams and program or horizontal work streams. Roughly modeled after the, the Kubernetes sig model. And so for the pillars, we have OSS. Enterprise and company and standards development organizations or SDOs, right? For the program level, there are, there is a language work stream marketing comms PR work stream and a community and tooling community and tooling work stream, which is somewhat analogous to like. Kubernetes sig contributor experience or, or the contributor strategy. So intake, discussing different tools. The reason I mentioned these work streams is the, the OSS work stream is kicking off next week. And if anyone is interested, I felt it would be a, be a good meeting to talk about if y'all are interested in hanging out. I sent a note out to the mailing list as well as the Slack channels. And if you're interested in hanging out with us, the, there's a link in the meeting notes that will lead you to a mailing list thread, which will lead you to a doodle poll that you can vote on and choose your time. And I'll send out invites for that going into next week. And Don, I know you had a comment about the times. It's hard. So it's a hard time. Yeah, I pulled as many times as I could. Yeah. Well, the problem is like everybody's trying to hit the sweet spot, right? Where you can get the Pacific, you know, West coast and you can get Europe and all the meetings are in that time slot. Exactly. I get this. This is, this is how I live my life is just time zone hell. Is what it is. So yeah, also, like, if you're interested in the community and tooling one that should be kicking off soon as well. The difference between the two since this has come up before is that community and tooling is kind of intended as the intake, whether it be bringing in new contributors to the initiative or discussing tools that people have made and they may want to donate or they may want us to integrate into the overall initiative. Whereas the OSS side is more about think governance working group, right? So I think like I want to execute this within my open source project. I don't know how to get started. I need a framework or I learned some things as I was doing this in my open source project and I'd like to share them. That's kind of what the open source one will be around. Any questions, comments, concerns? Wildly massive interest. If I can't commit to doing something regularly, should I just not fill out the doodle and just lurk and drop in? Fill out the doodle. Absolutely fill out the doodle. There is no attendance requirement really. Whenever I do doodles, I, you know, it's the people that have to be in the room or get priority choice and then everything else is like, it's, it's like for the most part I'm going to try to get as many people in the room as possible. But yeah, hopefully, hopefully there'll be a convenient time for you. Thanks, that helps. I'll show up there. Yeah, I didn't fill out the doodle because actually I have conflicts for almost all the projected times. So it would not be helpful. But it's okay. I'm just doing this honestly because I have the to do list around the projects that I help out. And I figure I should keep track. I'm just like, I need to. And I particularly want to know about those tools, right? Like if somebody creates a tool to generate an automated PR, to replace, you know, to tag all of the commonly not accepted terms. I would love to have that tool. Yeah, we're talking about, so I know on the Kubernetes side, there's some discussion around proud plugins for issues. That one went up on the mailing lists earlier today, I believe. There is work that Nikita, I believe is doing on a slack. Integration. I think it's proud based proud plus slack equals fun. And then from the, at least from the red hat side, I know that. I know that Jason Jason Brooks is one of the leaders here. And then there's also, I don't know if Carson is getting involved too. So Carson is going to be hanging out both on the, the OSS and probably the language work streams. Okay. So Karen, do you have the stuff now? Yes. So the March 11th event will be focused on values and principles development. Again, Sarah speaking. I work at Microsoft. I don't know. I guess I need some help looking for another speaker. I'm not totally sure what her exact topic will be within that theme. But I will check in with Sarah, just to make sure we don't overlap with anything. But if anyone has any leads for speakers on this topic, please let me know. You said we need two speakers for this topic. Just one. Sarah Navani will be presenting and we need a second speaker on values and principles development. Yeah, I was going to say it like. I don't think a second speaker is strictly required. Yeah. We've been doing two. Oh, I guess we haven't always done two. That's true. I feel like we run out of time really easily because we always talk more than we allocate for. So I think it may be better just to have one speaker. And I think for, for, for Sarah in particular, I like, I would, I would listen to that for hours. I think just having Sarah as a speaker is probably fine. Okay. Yeah. Maybe we should update the, the docs to like the hosting guide as well as to say like, it doesn't always have to be two speakers. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Look at us solving problems. I'm so proud. Just for just in a room, knocking it out of the ballpark. Yeah. Of course metaphor. Okay. So there's a couple other items on the agenda and I don't know if I should speak up and take. This is meta group and take control of that. If Paris added those, then we'll just wait for Paris to join in about four or five minutes. The, and for me to leave. So I'll find out what they are later. So. Otherwise. I really hope it's for coming up with a strategy for contributing to the strategy. That's crossing my fingers when Paris shows up. That's what's going to be. Sounds very reclusive. Recursive. Yes. I want a recursive meta group. Yeah. Did you mean recursive meta group? I'm sorry, I'm going to go. I'm going to go. One of my favorite Google search gags. The, um, no, we have a recursive metal group. It's, it's a garage band that plays in a garage that's inside another garage. That is actually another garage band. Yes. We only do covers. And it's covers of the other garage band. And it's covered, right? It's covers of covers. So yeah. We also do comedy. We also do comedy. Yes. In the charter. Yeah. The. So yeah. Otherwise, I don't know. I, you know, we'll wait for Paris for the other things we have. Our stuff scheduled. Um, you know, we'll get back to governance soon. Karen. Among the stuff I haven't touched is the contributor ladder guide at all. Split it. You want to explain the split? Oh yeah. Well, so. Cause it's a template for anyone to use. We ended up with this. You know, choose any three items.  Um, of different potential contributor roles. But nobody is going to use all of these roles because I think there's like 13 of them. Um, and, um, After talking about last contributor growth, we realized that most of them were specific flavors of maintainer role. And so we're going to split it into a simple file. That will just have maintainer as a role. And then we're going to have a separate file to say, Hey, if you have a big or structurally complicated project, you may need some of these other maintainer roles. Do you have, um, Sorry, I haven't been following, but, uh, do you have something in the way of program manager? What do you mean by program manager? Uh, so Lori, uh, who is the program manager for SIG release and Kubernetes, um, wrote some pretty extensive stuff. Uh, and PR it earlier today. Um, I can dig that up. Um, around kind of expectations or are kind of codifying what she's been doing in, in SIG release and how it can be. I think as far as the contributor ladder is concerned, I think that would just fall under. Um, like some project lead. Um, Not quite the, um, I did put like a bullet point for project manager because originally when I was doing this, I had a maintainer section and then I broke it down into, um, like other suggestions of like community maintainer project, making a release manager docs manager. So there is a section we could tuck under. Um, if you wanted to specifically call out project manager under maintainer, does that make sense? Yeah, can you share the link? Um, and then we'll take a look. Yeah, sure. Uh, Thanks. I just popped that in the, uh, agenda. I think this one is particularly interesting because it is, um, as we kind of talk about maintainer burnout and, you know, just sustainability overall, a lot of the, a lot of the work that we do sometimes as chairs, leads approvers, yada, yada, yada is work that is not necessarily properly federated. Um, it just, we just become like the, the, like the funnel of last resort kind of thing. Um, so I think that, you know, I think that definitely in Kubernetes we're seeing some of this, uh, strain, whether it be across like having to review technical PRs, but also doing, uh, you know, also like building a roadmap for a SIG, right? Um, and these are not necessarily tasks that need to be done by just one set of people. I think the program manager role, um, has been super useful to me, definitely, um, to have a little bit more clarity on thinking about technical strategy as opposed to, um, you know, maybe, maybe like setting up project boards, um, which is still a thing I do. And it's not necessarily like supposed to be relegated to, to any one role. Um, but there are some things that there, there, there are some extra things that we, uh, we have while we're holding the hat, like while we're wearing the hat, it's like, do all these things. And then, um, it definitely, it definitely drives down like your ability to focus on any one thing. Um, well, so, um, program manager has been super helpful for me. This is where I can just like stand up and applaud because I want a program manager. Yes, we need more. So, I mean, the, the big thing about it too is that, um, you know, while we had, while we had SIG PM, um, you know, SIG PM was definitely a thing that, you know, was towards the end of just kind of dragging it by its feet. Um, I'm like, come on, we're going to do, we're going to do PXM type stuff. Um, but I am not, I'm not a trained P anything. Um, and the, the people who are interested in this, like it did not have enough of a framework. It was not listed as a role that you could do. So I think just the fact that it is on paper somewhere for a project, um, has the potential to drive, uh, drive new contributions, right? We have, we have a bunch of products program project managers in Kubernetes that don't know where to jump in because it is, it's not a named role, right? So. Oh, it will be soon. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The R is up today. It's going down. Cool. All right. So. What else have we, we've, we've hit meta group. Is there anything that people want to cover? Um, before, uh, Uh, Now it's time to just send Paris passive aggressive DMs with lots of emoji. We're waiting for you. Yeah, waiting for Paris. Yeah, exactly. No pressure. Um, and Carolyn, that may be also for you. So I'm going through your comments on the framework. Um, Yeah. To be clear, you don't need to make all of them. They're just suggestions. If we want, we can just. Yeah. I think there was like one thing that need to be fixed and then we can just merge and iterate. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's do that. Um, I think there was. I think there was one maybe phrasing change. Oh yeah. That was actually stroke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the permission from the interviewers, I think he got most of them, right? Yeah. I got them all like Paris was the only one missing, but she did this morning. So. Perfect. I added her back, but haven't, haven't committed it yet. But so, um, so once that is there. And of course one of things that we want is like feedback from the group or feedback to move towards merge, because I think it is pretty ready at this point. Yeah. I think, I think you just had one change.  So do we get that? What are the next steps? We just put it in the slack and so on or. Slack the mailing lists, shop it around to your, um, your, your community as well. Well. Yeah. Yeah. I can just merge it. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Hi. Well, I'll Catherine, I'll wait for your commit. You said you had one pending. That you haven't put in the PR yet. I'm still going to your comments, but, um, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Just ping me. Let me know. And then we'll get it merged. Awesome. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Harris, you were, you were up with, um, was that you with a meta group stuff? Yeah, I put a lot of stuff on here. Sorry. I was in another meeting. Um, the meta group stuff was that I need to. Or we need to update the charter with a new roadmap and the graduation requirements for the guidance. And I think maybe what you all were just talking about. Um, I think the guidance would be what we discussed in the last couple of meetings where sod needs to approve and then, um, and then the TOC needs to approve. Um, so that needs to go in. I don't know if anybody has comments on that, but let's collect some new roadmap items as well. Since we've completed a lot of what's on the roadmap currently. Um, I think the meta group leads for each one. Um, kind of gave maybe like a little ambiguous blurb about, you know, what we're going to do in 2021. Um, kind of like what we have in there now, you know, just like our, our next, our next few steps and, and what we're going to be delivering to the community. Um, and then the, like the follow up to that was. I have not, um, fall. I haven't followed up with the thread. I haven't seen anybody here saw any, any of the guidance that sod had approved yet. So I saw some emails floating around. I did not dig in yet. So see if we can find it. Like, I mean, based, based on the lab, based on my last tracking, I think sod had comments and that nothing was approved yet. But I think that's what we need to do before we give out the project template stuff to see NCF projects to use. Yeah, there's a question about. What's the best way to provide feedback? I think that's the last thing that he said. I think I should have responded to that, that there was an umbrella issue. Okay. Um, let me look. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you did. Yeah. So it sounds like we just have to poke him again. I mean, I think he left calm. I saw some comments come through. So I think there's comments like around town. So we just need to figure out at this point, a way to. Get better with tracking what's approved versus not. Um, I don't know if that's just like an issue or a spreadsheet or. Or what. Cause like right now we're just doing, we're actually doing back approvals on stuff that's already been merged. Yeah. So, um, So yeah, that's the, the problem, the current problems that is doing back approvals and then current approvals. So it's pretty, it's just pretty messy for him right now. I think. Yeah, he's got, yeah, his, his, his comment is, you know, adding a disclaimer that it's suggested and not required or forcing a governance model or anything. I think that makes sense. That's really, that was it for the meta group stuff. Cool. All right. So we are at the bottom of our agenda. Does anyone else have things they want to cover before we head out? Paris for you. Um, we had talked about the, uh, maintainer circle stuff. Um, and. I think for the group, we're, so yeah, Karen's question was, you know, do we need another speaker? And I think a few of us are like, Sarah is probably enough for, for the session. And we usually go over anyway. So, um, I think we're, should we add that to guidance? Or does the guidance explicitly state that? The, the guidance. No, the guidance says that it should be two, but the idea is that it's supposed to be science and then relatable. So like, that's why it was supposed to be two. But in the case where Sarah has been a maintainer. You know, I would say that that's fine. Um, but the guidance just says to try for two in that case where it's the science and then the relatable. Um, Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it's just, it just says that as guidance, it doesn't say required. So that's totally fine. Um, cool, cool. Anything else come up with, um, maintainer circle or anything else? Okay, cool. Yay. Go team. All right. So this will catch you all later. Catch you at the next one. Okay. See you. See you everybody. Hey, y'all. Hi. Hi. Good day everyone.


Hello, this is sorry with Northwest justice project going over a new project here I'm gonna be highlighting cool stuff going on in the community on a weekly basis And we're calling it this week in legal services tech This is really inspired by this weekend tech which has been an awesome podcast forever If you've got any ideas things that I should cover in this Weekly wrap up, please send me an email or fill out the survey. That's in the description here We're covering four things this week and the upcoming legal services virtual hackathon how to run a hackathon justice hub, which is kind of a pitch portal and a Interview with Claudia Johnson. Let's jump right in here with what I'm doing all weekend It's a legal services virtual hackathon online. There's gonna be people Participating from all over the US. You don't have to be in the US You could participate from anywhere Registration is free. There is no cost to it It's during the day on Saturday and Sunday four projects that really jumped out to me is one on using chatbots to help kids We've just aged out of the foster care system that looks really awesome tools For working on your public loan forgiveness. That one's very relevant to me. I have giant public loans ethics and privacy There's a bunch of best practices that have been discussed at recent conferences, and we're gonna be refining those I'm gonna be doing a bit of an offshoot of that and trying to come up with a legal services Specific privacy policy and maybe even a privacy policy generator something that's much more broad that has user rights In mind and then there's a client tool for collecting evidence. That looks really interesting to me I'm gonna drop in on that group and watch what they're doing There's another nine or ten projects that have been suggested I definitely check out the website and if you've got some time to help out this weekend drop by the virtual legal hackathon If you are interested in running your own hackathon Northwest Justice Project myself and Kett Recently published a guide on running game jams and hackathons as you may already know We did a giant game jam last year hundred participants online We took all of our lessons learned and put it into kind of a 10-page PDF that includes your Budgets things to think about how you deal with food Security venue all of those things are listed in this hackathon game jam Guide definitely recommend checking it out Kett did a wonderful job on it the next project that I'm highlighting is Justice Hub. It's a pitch portal where you can put up any project. You're working on in legal services for-profit or non-profit and get people to contribute to work on Improving these projects. You've got a UX designer with some extra time or if you're looking for help to code something This is a way to connect with other projects that are out there. It's really just launched recently The community is starting to grow around it I look forward to putting up some projects from LSN tab this summer The last thing that I've got here for this week is an article I recommend people check out with Claudia Johnson It is a really good interview that was done with her recently The quote that I've got here just outlines her way of thinking with regards to technology We are not just using technology to enable lawyers to do what they've always done But we need to use data science. We need to use AI We need to partner with research institutions and find new ways to apply technology To the justice gap to improving our clients lives to improving everyone's lives Claudia has been a real innovator in the community and I strongly recommend checking out this article It's a great interview with her. She has just been incredible in the community Thank you. This has been SART with Northwest Justice Project and LSN tab Please drop me an email if there's anything that you would like to see in these or any questions that you've got also Any questions that are in the comments I will personally answer. Thank you all so much for checking this out I look forward to hearing your feedback


Hi, I am the batch manager from Cloud, and I talk about the challenge of teamwork. It was part of a team effort, so it's going to be coming out in the future. Say thanks to the team for making this teamwork possible. So, what was this teamwork expectation about having teamwork in the challenge in the next session? The major problem was the life cycle of the team, which is conventionally dramatic. From the perspective we used these properties, like the graphic URL, which accepted a string attribute and this string attribute was a URL to add an internal or external URL. So, the graph we have in external URL like HTTP or file, this is not much of a problem, but we used also these internal URLs, which were just classes, strings, and this is sketched like this. For example, we have the sum, this bar, this object, and that sum, XID. And this XID that represented inside the double or lower level set, one graphic object, or image itself, each was sold to the telephone. The IDing was stored inside this graphic edge. I have a little bit of a diagram here, so the total and some sets of graphic URLs and this is all the height where the image itself is stored. This is the graphic object, and this graphic object manager had to import a string ID and store the graphic object inside the graphic edge. What can happen here is that there is no way to add if the graphic is still used. Can it go away? If we have a graphic, we don't know if it's still used or not. But we have a problem. We actually don't know if we have this information. So, it's about something that we present in copying or exterior sections, creation of the graphics, or we just proceed and it is stored inside the double. The result is the user's next type of workman who doesn't have images anymore. We have a graphic object which is a lot safer to use. We have an object, a graphic object that we don't know, and it can just store how many times it is used, and there is no string kind of power going in. We release the memory in the end, but it's still valid. Interestingly, the power goes away. If you pay this release money, it means that we have to change all the cinema properties to use this reference counter to change these cases. It's ex-gaping. And then, after I was one of these, I had to rework the memory. The third one was the cannibalities. If you are thinking about those differences in the behavior, each one would be internal experiment. Actually, you can still save these if you are, if you save it, if you add it to the graphic, you go there. But if you want to get something, it's probably going to be internal experiment. I love that it's possible to store that image if it's not used to release the story and take out the memory. We have to see how much memory, curiously, we saw it already. We just get it in a six-circuit memory. It's just one image, it's not a random slide. We try to get it to be kind of hyper-inducing. The third thing, I don't even show you what it's done, but it's much easier than it seems like it's just one image. It's useful. All these were written in journals. Some of them, but it wasn't. It's there for writers. I'm probably the one who wrote the book. It's a group of bloggers. All these things are in the graphic, especially for navigation itself, which is connected to your smartphone. So one idea is here, it's here. It costs less than a minute. It's also read with us. It's in the world of simulation.


Hi everyone, Joe for JaspiesCaseBreaks.com coming at you with 2020 Panini Spectre Football 4 box pick your team at number 3 It's a half-case break. So that means it's coming from a fresh case Just dropped today. So get into the action early and often before it's all gone All right, there you go. Thanks for spending a bit of your Friday with us folks Appreciate it. Brandon Cooper got last bottom mojo with the bills. There's everybody else right here. Thank you Thank you. Thank you. And there are here are the results of the random number block right here So it only applies to those teams and only for that break right here. So thank you So I need to upload that video for the number block randomizer. Can you just 10 seconds here. All right, so it's uploading right now. There you go If you want to see the results of that if you're watching live here is the case right here Let's pop this open right there All right, so we'll roll the die. We've got some dice dice next to me right here Pick that one. We'll go one two three for the left side and four five six for the right four And it's three. So we're gonna do that side right there one two three. So this will be four Pick your team four So those are all marked to pick your team four so you know that they're from the same case And so I don't mix it up with those random teams Alright, good luck everybody four cards per pack four packs per box four autographs and six memorabilia about cards per box on Average right those out right here Pop this open Oh looks like they went they went back to All like thicker cards, which I kind of like we'll use this blank card to hide some of the hits I like that design behind Patrick Queen. That's a new design Some sort of firework burst design six out of 75. I didn't I didn't look up all the names of the parallels this year I'll learn them eventually But that looks pretty sharp for the Ravens. That's gonna go to Aaron Billingsley in the purple birds We got Antonio Gandy Golden building blocks. I like that design to building blocks triple relic This looks sharp Mark Mazzur with the Washington football team that is 13 out of 75 And we've got a randomizer. We're gonna have to do a little bit later Respector. Oh, I get it Respectra a Mari Cooper on the left side and Stefan digs on the right side There you go 33 out of 75 that'll be a randomizer between the Dallas Cowboys rich with that one and the Minnesota Vikings That'll be for Nick Stover Set that I set up here Ron. What's going on? How are you? The redemption is gonna be illustrious legends neon green What is neon green number two? To double check if this is a Train whistle hit or not? 2020 spectra football cardboard connection calm. Let's flip there Who could this illustrious legend be? Nikki what's going on? All right, neon green is 25 or less. 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That's a number block team 20 out of 75 going to zero Raymond with that one and then back here is Gabriel Davis aspiring autographs Bill's Jersey and Otto going to Brandon Cooper last spot mojo 57 out of 60 Nice desert hot strings, but that's not too far from well relatively it's not too far from us You can come and visit at some point Yeah, okay. I know where that is. Yeah It's a bit of a drive, but come and visit us. There's Marquis Brown Two out of 15 Hollywood Brown going to Aaron and the Ravens We got Deandre Swift two-color dual relic Like the the shape of the windows is here almost looks like wings or something like that looks pretty cool Lions are a number block team. So Detroit eight 138 out of 149 Detroit eight is gonna be for William. There you go, William There's Marcus Allen for my raiders epic legends relic for Vegas. That's gonna go to guy With the last Vegas raiders, I'm re-watching the Raiders chiefs game. You're here. Good memories for that We've got three out of ten on that one nice low number And on this side, we've got vested veterans Austin Echler Jersey and autograph for the Bolts That's gonna be for Richard 49 out of 50 are these six box breaks and not four because the case is 12 No, the case is eight So they're four four box half case breaks It's four and four on each side There's Dan the man Marino that is a 16 out of 75 Richard with the dolphins we got Spectacular spectra Accular I get it 43 out of 75 Jags Colton Carver with that Only on occasion right only on occasion Yeah, it's Friday you got it. 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There's a monumental relic Tyler Johnson for the Buccaneers that is a number of locked team and Tyler Johnson is 15 out of 75 that goes to number five That'll go to King Kenny holiday two out of 25 Kenny G high voltage Neon green scope pattern two-color patch Detroit is a number of locked team and that'll be two out of 25 Emory with the Kenny G And another lion that's Jeff Okuta another Detroit lion part of the number block group This time it's 44 out of 199 Ryan Harold last Bob Mojo with the number four. It's the Okuta auto There's Antonio Gibson. That's that's gonna be a catch right 25 out of 75 for Mark and Washington We got Peyton Manning 2013 MVP 71 out of 75 For it's a Denver edition going to guy There's Adrian Peterson 25 out of 30 Sunday spectacle two-color patch Washington mark and back here it. Oh an aspiring autograph Nike swoosh Justin Herbert out of five one-of-one maybe It's a one-of-one It's a good time He's on a bye week, but a good time to get this guy Richard Faretas with the Chargers All aboard the big hit express Spectre stuff folks don't sleep on the spectra ladies and gentlemen Year-to-year it delivers Get into it while supplies last don't miss out There's Michael Thomas Jasper's case breaks calm go and get it Michael Thomas. It's a 60 16 out of 60 going to the Saints Saints six is William What do you think happened to Michael Thomas? He got suspended for fighting with it with a teammate, but you don't suspend your best guy and He had to be wrong right like he was in the wrong like clearly in the wrong It's not like they got into a fight like okay, both guys had a point You know there was just things got heated at practice Kenny G fireworks fabric Detroit number block 60 out of 99 that so that goes to zero Raymond There's Cleveland Pharrell one out of 75 max impact kind of had a nice max impact Against the chiefs last week for my Raiders Goes to guy happy about that rewatching the game right now one out of 75 and we have a Cornelius Bennett Buffalo Bills Brandon Cooper last Bob Mojo once again 31 out of 99 on Cornelius Bennett. All right.  There it is Dak for poor Dak Prescott brilliance rally Dallas Richard 64 out of 75 So one of one. Yeah, he's Cole McDonald for the Titans Pro tip Risa you have the ability to rewind there is a DVR function on should be a DVR function on the live stream 9 out of 50 on that one Oh, that's Titans our number block team. So Titans 9 Adam cupperman on the board But when if you use that DVR function, don't forget to make sure you're you come back live In fact just in general just double-check to make sure you're live folks Either refresh the page your app or click the live button Wait, you're driving Risa We're gonna time you out for five minutes.   There's there's no no texting and driving Drew Brees The 25 23 out of 25 saints three Sean Maddock Good job Heath. What an interception. Whoo. Keep going. Go go go Boom There's Peyton already watch this game. I'm still excited Peyton Manning five out of 75. This is Colts addition to this time John Turner Right, it's okay off. So I'm just watching group rate. I don't think that's gonna work There's Aaron Rodgers 46 out of 49 championship gear. I want people to be safe Be the worst thing Man ends up hospitalized local figure Risa Ends up in the hospital while watching group break. That's not good. That's not the kind of press that we want. Oh There's Clyde Edwards Elair We give it three colors a little bit of red poking out right there Three color patch neon green and neon green ink For the Kansas City chiefs are a number block team and that's 18 out of 50. That goes to William William H With the Clyde Edwards H Elair That is nice. It's got a new teammate to levy on belt There's been denouchey for the Cowboys 55 out of 99 that'll be for Richard and Dallas We got K. J. Hamler building blocks Triple relic piece of the pigskin in there, too We feel bad for bell right moving for the Jets to the chief 51 out of 75 Guy with the Broncos. We got a three out of five Dynamic duo Tyler Lockett DK Metcalf For the high flying Seahawks Brett Schep Picked up the Hawks straight up Three out of five All aboard the big hit express And back here is Oh illustrious legends fran Tarkington That's a legend. That's a vikings legend for Nick Stover 16 out of 25 just Six off that jersey number next couple packs and then the final box folks Plenty more in the store jaspyscasebreaks.com go and get it while supplies last Remember pro tip. There's Peyton Manning right here 74 out of 75 pro tip buy earlier rather than later Because if you wait too long And you get in on the second batch of specter that we may or may not even get but if the second batch is usually The prices go up so take advantage of the prices now That's sharp collecting There's david johnson. So Peyton is a denver edition going to guy and david johnson houston going to king d 28 out of 50 on that die cut There's poor dak press scott 70 out of 99 fireworks fabric, baby That's for uh, richard and the boys and we've got More there's randall mc daniel more for the vikings Going to nick stober In minnesota nice Six out of 15 on that one Patrick queen 12 out of 35. We are the champions my friend erin with the ravens There's van jefferson 60 out of 149 rising rookie Two-color dual rally. Okay, you're safe now. I'm just looking out for you riza That's all no hard feeling. I'm just looking out for you though Rams number block team 60 out of 149 raymond with zero We've not seen any white sparkles yet out of here tyler There's brilliance keenan allen bread. That was uh, it's called sarcasm Uh, there's keenan allen 26 out of 75 going to the chargers richard And More vikings nate stanley for nick stober Six out of 25 All right final box Yeah, okay, i did brad picked up on that Also backstory adam kupperman's also a jets fan long suffering jets fan Go the layers to that I don't know if he's gonna ride the bench though. I think they're gonna use him brad I think they're gonna actually use him. He's not gonna play this week I think he has to go through all the coven protocols and stuff but Clyde edwardsy lair is pretty young That was a nice run You know, he's young. He there's that rookie wall that he might hit chiefs are probably planning on going deep into the playoffs So that's just another guy on that team that could Just another another weapon levy on bell Out there on like third he can catch some passes too. There's max crossby. He had a good game against the chiefs That goes to guy. We got die cut a j green 20 out of 20 a j green not happy and Cincinnati That goes to shon maddock and the since nanny bangles I guess the nfl trade deadline early november. So that could be exciting there's a marie cooper 35 out of 50 Firework relic dallas richard and there's respectra josh allen and seiquan barkley some respectra for each other It's another randomizer 25 out of 75. I'm one absolute. I'm watching the last vegas raiders play the can city chiefs And then we've got radiant chase claypool. What a game for him two color patch And autograph for the Steelers michael gallucci Pittsburgh Steelers 26 out of 75 Are people really thinking that? brad saying a lot of people thinking clad air. So it's gonna lose his starting spot. No, I don't think so He's gonna get he's gonna stay fresh though with levy on bell out there As long as levy on bell is motivated There's marlin mac nine out of 35 colts john turn Wait, who are you talking to me?  There's tea higgins Two color patch and purple ink autograph Love that design going to shon maddock and the bangles 14 out of 35 You feel be a 50 50 split maybe Maybe not the first week he plays I feel like he saw us to kind of get the playbook and all that sort of stuff There's tea higgins again 51 out of 75 for shon m There's next era cd lamb 131 out of 199 for Dallas rich There's rod woodson 60 i 25 old raider Nice patch in there too Nice silver and black patch for a guy and the raiders on a buy this week the raiders They've got a couple players banged up. They it's a good time for the buy You brian edwards comes back after the buy that'd be nice And then we've got vested veterans jersey and auto dj more this dj be dj more carolina tyler castro with the panthers blizzy b Says levy on bell will inevitably take over in case he bell bell stays healthy Watch out. This should spark him playing for the defending super bowl champs kind of remotivated All right Colton's arguing that they drafted clad airward to layer second round for a reason Late first round. I want to say not even second round or was it second round? Yeah, Colton doesn't think he's going to see too too much of a loss in snaps zadaria smith to 99 Packers Mike Peyton manning 2004 mvp Colts That's going to go to john Nick galvin thinks maybe bell gets the majority of red zone snaps 64 out of 99 And there is high voltage patron moho. He's like, let's go. That's what he's saying. Let's go Let's go 22 out of 75 high voltage relic for the chiefs 22 out of 75 so that goes to Emory and can city two the last card here is the radas Henry rugs silver and black patch and autograph. What a game for him That's what a healthy rugs can do Henry cutting a rugs 58 out of 99 That goes to guy and my raiders All right, there you go. All right, so now we've got some uh, what was the lowest numbered one? That was the out of five The other two are out of 75. All right, so we have a few randomizers to do So, let me pause the video get all these set up And then when we come back, we'll we'll run that randomizer brb All right, welcome back folks. I got all the randomizers typed in so there are the three dual relics right here team on top after seven We'll get the card good luck one happy person one sad person three into four seven times three all of them one two three four five six And seventh and final time flips to buffalo buffalo brandon cooper With the buffalo bills, you'll get this respect your card to 75 Next up three and a four seven times for dallas, minnesota one two three four five Six and seventh and final time Goes to dallas. That's gonna be for richard and the boys respectra To 75 and someone's gonna get a train whistle here after seven times one two three four five six and seventh and final time Stays with arizona that goes to matt johnston Apologies to erin billingsley, but matt one out of five respectra dual relic a lot of nice colors in there and All aboard the big hit express Thanks for watching everybody i'm joe for jaspy's case breaks dot com spectra football a brand new release So keep it going jaspy's case breaks dot com jaspy's case breaks dot com jaspy's case breaks dot com I'll see you for more. Bye. Bye