Os ydych chi'n grannu? Dda, allan, ei fod i'r gweithio arsfaball y gwbl y ddechrau? Yn rhai pob. Yn ystod! Ie nid o'r alcanoedol yn gynghweithio ar gyfer y cyflau'r mínd! Fi'n bod hyn, mae gwasanaethol yn yrgaf. Mae gwasanaethol yn yrgaf. Rydym ei fod yn ymweld ym deall gael chi'n gweithio ardincadwyr y pwysig y fyrdd. Fym lawer o'i rhan i'r ymwyllwr. ac i ddweud i fan hynny, mae'n yn ei wneud yn gweithio cyfnodd. A'r gweithio'n hynny yw'n olygu'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. A wneud, rwy'n teimlo i'r gweld, ac rwy'n gweithio i ddyn nhw, ymddangos ymddangos yma yn y system ddechrau yn y UK. Rwy'n credu! Yes, enemy number one, the only problem is I'm still waiting for that van to come pass with the blackout windows, the door to open, me to disappear and you'll never see me again because it's coming, it's coming. I'm going to tell a story though because there is a backstory to this, it's not just about education, it's about society as a whole and we need to understand that and I'm going to tell a story about this young man. Yes, it's me. Yes, it's me. I show this photo, you know when I go to the States and do this talk, I show this photo and they in the States they all go, oh, here in the UK they go, oh, twat. Anyway, anyway, that's 1977, I was five, you can work out how old I am now. I came from a very impoverished background. Dad was a miner, mum was a cleaner, we had nothing, we didn't have carpets, we had one of those plug-in cookers with the two rings, we didn't have a fridge, we didn't have a telly, sounds terrible but I loved it, I loved it. I didn't know anything different, I slept on the floor in my bedroom, I didn't know any different, that was life, that's what it was all about. The only problem was that little boy was going through an education system that was poor, really, really poor and I remember, I used this photo because I remember that year so well, I remember a teacher stood there and another adult who I don't know was stood there and the teacher said to this other adult, don't bother teaching him to read, he's going down the pit and I remember that as if it was yesterday, that was the first time that I realised but my life, my dreams might not become a reality and when you're that old and your dreams, the only thing that you've got when you've got nothing, other people don't care about them, that was hard because I did have a dream, that dream was to fly aeroplanes, that's what I wanted to do, I used to watch aeroplanes at the weekends, I used to get on my cycle, I used to ride five miles to watch them take off and come back, all I wanted to do was join the Royal Air Force but how does a boy from an impoverished background get anywhere close to that? Well I decided at the age of 12 there's only one person who's going to make it happen and that was me so I got a job and I got a job because I knew my chances of becoming a pilot in the Air Force were greatly increased if I had a pilot's licence, it's true so I got a job washing pots at a local restaurant six nights a week age 12, I started at seven, I finished about midnight, I did that for five years, I didn't spend a penny, not one penny and at the end of it I had enough money to get my pilot's licence, 17 and four months I qualified as a private pilot, get me, did it! Okay now I've got my pilot's licence, I've got my qualifications, I worked hard, I got those as well, I did the application form, I went off to Biggin Hill as it was in those days office selection for the Royal Air Force, I was accepted onto the selection procedure, it was a five day procedure in those days, 50 started at the beginning of the week, Monday we all turned up 50 of us, by the end of the week if you got to the end of the week you were in pretty much give or take and every time it was normally every sort of break they would call a few away and they'd go through a door and you'd never see them again, where they went nobody knew but as the week went on it was becoming less and less and less of us, by the end of the week there was three left and guess what I was one of the three there was me and two lads from private school, nice guys actually still in touch with them are we sat in this room and we're really nervous is it happened have we done it is it could it be could I have achieved the dream first boy goes in he comes out he's high fiveing us he's hugging we're like yes next one was called in he comes out he's high fiveing he's hugging we're all hugging together and I thought I've done it I've actually done it all that hard work paid off I was called into the room there were two RF officers standing sitting in front of me I went and I sat down at a chair the first RF officer said to me sunny well done there are very few who get to Friday you've passed everything not just passed everything passed everything with flying colours yes I thought the second one piped up but no commissioned officer in the royal air force has a father who reads the daily mirror and your father reads the daily mirror we're not selecting you however we do have a cook's job and you can have that instead late 80s miners weren't overly popular do you remember my dad was a my dad was a miner and society has in the system didn't like miners and because of where I came from and the family I came from my dreams destroyed I remember that trip home feeling like the the world had fallen from beneath me I spent the next six months feeling like that I got a few part-time jobs but it got to the point where and it had to do something with my life so I decided that I wasn't enjoying these jobs I'll I'll do something I'll go into some kind of business I'll buy a business and happened it fell in my lap somebody came along said I'm selling my business do you want it and I said yeah fantastic how much said a pound a pound what kind of business is it what do you get for a pound you said you get 300 thousand pounds worth of debt guess what I took it I took it I learned about change management I learned about engaging a workforce I learned about how you could have flat structures so that everybody's pulling together to make it work I brought every single member of my team on board to make it a success and five years later the business was turning over 10.8 million and I was bored I was 24 and I was bored and I realized something and I again I remember this like yesterday I was stood by the way the business was a nightclub if you know if you know it was a chain of nightclubs in the end I stood at the Nottingham nightclub Christmas Eve it was snowing and I decided that actually I'm not actually giving anything back to society and what happened to me as a youngster was out of order and we need to change that so that point in time I decided I was going to go back to education and try and affect one young person's life just one so what happened to me wouldn't happen to them and in a in a weird strange sort of way I made the decision then and that was it I was selling the business to the partner who I had and off we go and within nine months I was enrolling at university and then I spent four years pissing all the money up the wall that I'd earned over those past five years fine no problems but I became a teacher and I did really well at it but the problem with it was I'd got a business mind on my head and I was going into education and when I went into education something weird happened and the weird was I found on my first few days as a teacher that the things teachers do were not for kids it was for the system and I asked one question and I've not stopped asking that one question that one question is why why do we do that when it has no effect why do we do that if that's not improving their lives and I became the mosquito and from that day on I decided that I was going to go and find out what are the best school systems out there what are the best things that we could do so I travelled the world I went to the best schools in the world and I brought all that information back with me and I said right one day we're going to have a school and we're going to put all of this in there that chance came in 2009 where I saw an advert in the newspaper and all this advert says was please save our school we need a head teacher from the parents I decided to go and have a look at this school it was in a place called Lincoln I hadn't really been to Lincoln before I thought oh nice day out we'll go to Lincoln and I got to this school and instantly I knew this school was having problems the reason I knew is because there were kids running around the playground but it wasn't playtime not only that there were two members of staff doing this to a kid who was sat on top of the gate please come down please come down and I got to the gate and he just looked down at me went I'm not getting down what I said can I come through yeah no problem so I opened the gate he swung out with the gate and I swung it back again and shut the gate I went in that school and it was chaos it was like Beiru on a bad day there was no teaching and learning going off and the kids were running riot after about half an hour I walked back to the door I walked back to my car going no chance nobody's going to take that school on it's the worst I've seen but by the time I got to my car and I grabbed my grab the car door I remember looking back up at the school door and thinking if I don't nobody will so I applied for the job guess what I was the only one who replied for the job guess what I got the job I don't know why but I did and I think this is really important because as soon as I got the job the local authority said to me I'd signed the bottom line there's contracts signed local authority turned around went oh it was one thing we forgot to tell you we're closing this school in six months time if you don't improve it I was the 15th head teacher in seven years what chance did I have what chance did I have anywhere I thought well I will give it a go we'll give it our best shot and on the first day was an insect day and all the staff sat there growling at me they're all looking at me as if to say oh here we go another planning format that's going to change the world and I turned around to them and I said look hold on a minute if we're going to do this we've got to do this together but if we're going to do this we're going to have to change our mindsets as well we're going to have to think differently about this go back to your classrooms now and go and fetch all the things you've been told to do over the past seven years all the schemes of work all the curriculums all the planning all those strategies that were put in place to make it better go and get them now and they all got up one of the teachers no word of a lie turned around and shouted wanker as they left the room I thought whoa this is going to be harder than I thought anyway they'd gone and I prepared outside some fire doors here I ran out I opened the fire doors and I dragged in one of those great big steel bins you know the three wheels on the bottom huge thing I dragged it into the hall before they all came back and I stood there dead coolly against this bin and they all came back in even the person who called me a wanker and I said put all that in there put all that in there all of it and they reluctantly did it and then I dragged that bin outside and I said come with me I pulled diesel in that bin I set fire to it it was great from that moment onwards I proved to my staff that we needed to think differently and I went back in that hall and I said I'm not going to tell you how to teach I'm not going to tell you what to teach you're not going to use this to teach you're going to use this to teach go and do it and they did the worst well the fifth worst let's not exaggerate the fifth worst school in the country became one of the best schools in the country in under two years that was the success story those kids were amazing those same same staff and the person who called me a wanker is still there today how I don't know right so to understand the education system we've got to understand where it comes from the education system actually is fundamentally broken and that story sort of illustrates that if you think differently you can do differently you can change the education system but the government don't want you to why well the education system came around in the 1870s and the first education bill was published everybody had to go to school and at the time well even now people still think that people went to school to improve their chances to prove their life chances wrong it was nothing to do with that it was to prepare the young people for the factories it was to make them compliant the Victorian factories were very like school at the beginning of the day a bell rang everybody went and went to their place they sat down at their place and they got on with their work if they got stuck or there was a problem they had to put their hand up their supervisor would come over at lunchtime a bell rang and then a bell rang at the end of lunchtime then a bell rang at the end of the day if you wanted to go to the toilet you had to put your hand up does that remind you of anything because it does me and actually schooling changed no it hasn't we're the only industry left that hasn't changed for 140 years why because the politicians want compliant individuals to go out into society they don't want free thinkers and i've discovered this with the past 20 years research but i've been poking and prodding at it and thinking about it actually schooling is nothing to do with improving life chances i don't know if you've come across this thing called pupil premium pupil premium is money that's spent on those who are free school meals they've spent about four and a half billion pounds on it it's had zero effect over the past five years why because it's designed to have zero effect over over that time this is the state of the education system now and if we aren't strong enough and actually stand up to it we're going to end up with an education system like this in 130 years time we need to do something about it i might really standing here and saying that our schooling system is about making compliant individuals for the future of course our kids don't go into compliance industries in our country or do they 93% of the industries in our country about compliance and then people wonder why 85% of our employees are actively not involved in their jobs something's got to change something's got to move somewhere we actually went and we we these theories it's great okay do kids feel this so we actually went and asked do you enjoy school what percentage there were 6000 kids by the way age six to 13 mixed demographic what percentage do you think said yes 22 22% of them said yes now should we be over the moon that nearly a quarter i'll enjoy school or should we be questioning that nearly 80% don't we went on from that and we asked this question what's the best thing about school shout at me lunch times break times some i would have said pee some would have said art some would have said music i've asked this to about 50 000 teachers that same question not one of them yes yet said anything about mass in english they've all said what you said actually 64% of them said home time that's the best thing about school and the biggest thing that sticks in my mind from that survey was one eight-year-old boy deprived family deprived background and he said i live for the end of the day because then i can start living that's our education system it needs up in and up people and it needs changing and it needs changing quickly if we don't change it all we're gonna have is this i'm using this as a metaphor for our industries as well our employees that are out there we've got to get the whole of society moving why is this country one of the only countries that aren't doing that with education why are we holding our kids back it seems really bizarre so that's a question that i've been asking for many years now one of the things that did was actually let's go and try and find the answer let's actually look at these young people who are coming in and let's think about them as a little human beings what the little human beings need hold on a minute let me change that what the little human beings need and what the big human beings need to be engaged in their professions to be engaged in school how do we get them excited about work so they're excited at work and how do we get the leaders of the future to excite our workforce and make it more profitable and productive and actually sort out some of the moral problems that we've got now and what's coming well this is something that that i've been going over in my mind for ages and one of the things that i'd noticed in the research was you get these little kids at age four coming into school and they're full of absolute curiosity all they want to do is learn that's all they want to do and they will run around they will learn all day long by the time they get to 11 all of that's gone and i'm noticing more and more that those 11-year-olds are putting their hand up and asking if they can turn the page what's happening between there and there how are we taking that away from them but more than that whose fault is this that we're taking that away from them that passion for learning that drive that desire well quite simply it's our fault our fault is educationless and we've got to do something about that because if we don't the others won't one five-year-old boy this was in the summer i was visiting a school i get asked by lots of head teachers now can you come and see my school can you come and help me out a bit um summed it all up for me this little five-year-old boy came up to me like this didn't know me from adam he had a chest full of stickers he also had the biggest snot coming out of his nose as well and it was sort of going across his top lip so i'll wipe his nose first that was the first thing we did and i went wow let's loads of stickers you must be really good at something what did you do and he went yep got these in a week yep just this week and i'm changing my jumper this week so they're all still on there so what did you do seriously what did you do to get all those stickers i sat silently on the carpet all week and i got all these stickers hold on a minute you're five what do you mean you sat silently on the carpet all week the point that i'm making is we're getting kids into the school system and we're making them compliant instantly still by the time they're 11 they're incredibly compliant by the time they leave school all they want to do is leave school not really well educated actually not really ready for the world but our school system is pushing us in that direction constantly and i'll say again the school system's broken one of the bits of research that came out of this was a connection and we worked with psychologists um and actually i went back to university and did a a master's in psychology and we we looked at this and we looked at this with a medical profession too and we said what is going off here and one of the things that came out of that research was the connection between motivation attitude and engagement if you can get people motivated and get them with the right attitude you'll engage them but you've got to have certain factors in place there are actually eight levels of motivation this is the science by the way eight levels of motivation they've all got different names and the weird bit or not the weird bit is that when we started to look at this we started to break these down and started to look at these not just in the school system but within the workplace as well there was something that came out quite highly number one the emoti am motivated or those who don't care is around two to five percent of school and of the workforce interested or interesting but the biggest piece that was interesting was the level one i do this to avoid consequence in other words i come to school i do as i'm told i don't care about it and actually i'm less than five percent engaged but i do it because i have to that is 80 percent of school children but it's also 80 percent of people in the workplace they don't want to be there and if they had a choice they could go one of our lowest motivational factors in being human as psychology goes is the majority of our population in this country i'll skip the next few you get a few of those in in classrooms you don't get many of those and that's all about being in prison you've got no choice the bit that was more interesting than anything was the next bit level five to seven the most engaged the most motivated you can be to either be in school or do your job and it was all around intrinsic motivation intrinsic motivation to know i'm curious that five year old kid is curious and you can get so much out of them that 11 year old kid is not curious and they don't care their productivity has gone through the floor and we went to industry as well and we checked it with industry and that's exactly the same as soon as you've got a kid curious or you've got a employee curious they want to go further they want to know more they want to research it they want to find out about it and then they go to level six and they start to master it as soon as they start to master it something happens endorphins are released in the brain you start to get a bit of a high a bit of a kick your self-esteem goes up and then you start to enjoy it can you imagine that enjoying work or enjoying school all of our research and all the things that we do within education at the moment because we're consulting with education and we're working with hundreds of schools across the world to try and get them to think like this but we're also doing it with business too to try and get employees engaged and again we're working with lots of businesses out there to increase productivity and all we're working on are these qualities here can we get them curious can we get them self-regulating to know more and as soon as their self-esteem starts to go up they start to enjoy their job and they become more profitable the thing is the workplace is changing not so much in this country but when I travel the world and I go to workplaces like this it's happening all over the place they're about 30% more productive than industries that don't think about their workforce and their workforce is just doing this is what we're putting into schools with teachers this is what we're putting into schools with kids the problem we've got is when I go back to this and I go back to these levels this bottom bit here is not on the curriculum for trainee teachers anybody any guess why it's not on the curriculum for trainee teachers it's it's nothing to do with measures because the results do come what happens is when you do this you get kids asking questions you get kids thinking for themselves you get kids debating and you get kids excited and they start to question society this is frowned upon by the government because the government doesn't want kids asking questions all that leads to is revolution hold on a minute that's why we're all here we're the crazy ones we're trying to change this so that workplaces like this are engaging and are exciting schools get kids thinking for themselves working out how they want to work where they want to work and being highly productive doing it thinking problem solving creating a world that actually is quite an exciting place to be can we have kids skipping into school and can we have kids skipping out of school and going to their parents and their parents asking the question what did you do at school today what's the standard answer nothing can we get them saying oh I did this and I did that and I was excited about this and I learned about this because when we get them to that point we know we've won let's go back to heartstone academy heartstone changed it became one of the best performing schools the government found out about me they found out about the school and for the past three years all I've had is the government trying to shoot the school now they're not far off succeeding in beating it the problem isn't necessarily that we can't do it because we can and we've proved it the problem is there's not enough of us parents to shout loud enough for our kids to get a decent education the other bit of my research recently has been around the difference between the curriculum in the state sector and the private sector the state sector curriculum has narrowed to a point where there's not much left the private sector has expanded and they're getting really good curriculum basis why maybe that's a question you can speak about among the people in the in the room we want to see faces like this in school and actually if I see that at any time during any day I know that I've made a difference to one child thanks for listening


What is up? Hey, everybody. I am Mario Loria. I have some special amazing guests here today. This is going to be a super chill ambassador's chat. We're going to talk about all things Cloud Native. Welcome to the third fourth installment of this week in Cloud Native. Like I said, my name is Mario. Today I have Dan Pop of the popular Popcast and Subtree of, well, lots of things. And we're going to get into that momentarily because I'm not going to introduce these guests. I'm going to let them introduce themselves. So thank you for joining us again. We do not have any sort of main presentation or anything like that today. I think we're going to keep this a really relaxed, really fun conversation. And I think, I know Dan Pop is a new ambassador as well. We're going to get into some of that. We're going to talk about conferences, other events. We're going to, of course, talk about news. And we might talk about a little bit more about some other Cloud Native streamers and other people that are sharing some awesome content. So that's kind of the take for this show. We really appreciate everybody taking the time to join us. Please leave comments, questions. We're watching this stuff live. We want this to be interactive. This is definitely two-way that we're serving you. You are driving this show right now. So with that, I am going to give it right over to, let's start with Subtree and then we will go to Dan Pop. So take it away, guys. Cool. Subtree. I've been an ambassador for almost two and a half years. I guess it's been about two and a half years now. It's been a while. One of the few in the Midwest, I live in St. Louis. So we have... Nice. It is, but then you look at the coverage of ambassadors per land area here in the Midwest. It's enormous. So it is what it is. Step up, Chicago. Step up. Yeah. Tell you the second city for a reason, baby. I think... I don't know if we have an ambassador in Kansas City. We may. I don't actually know. That's a good question. But anyway, so yeah, I've been in cloud native since sort of the beginning, I guess. Currently work for a company called Critical Section. We are working on Rust for like mission and security critical systems and other really cool dirty stuff. So lots of security research and before that, platform engineering and yeah, laundry list of stuff. But particularly in a security space recently. Nice. Awesome. Pop, take it away. Hello, everyone. Dan Pop, Andrea. People call me Pop. I work for a company called Cystic. I'm the lead for open source and community, namely the FALCO project, which is a CNCF project. And I have a little show called the Popcast. Just became an ambassador, I think, in the December timeframe. Just awesome. I just, you know, again, I have a huge love of the community and I'm so happy to be here sharing it with some other ambassadors. Absolutely. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. My name is Mari Haloria. Of course, I work for a company named Carda. We are changing the way people stop using Excel, making it more efficient for modern, not modern startups, small companies to understand their cap tables, get valuations, and really bridge the gap. We want everybody to be owners. And so we have a couple open positions actually on my team. So if anybody is interested in kind of a back end software engineering role or a front end software engineering role, which I mean, most of those are the roles that most companies are looking for, because everybody, thank you, this guy right here has his stuff together. See, I'm not even prepared to look at it. I'm just in like a white room. What's going on right now? So if anyone's interested, let me know Carda is, we just released Carda X and we are doing amazing. This is probably the funnest place I've ever worked in my career and I love it here. So if anyone has any questions, let me know. I look forward to talking more about what we're doing in cloud data, what we're doing with Kubernetes, how we're leveraging things at our type of organization. So really excited to get into that. But first things first, let's get into the ambassador from. So all three of us are ambassadors. I want to talk to Dan Popp. So I've been an ambassador for about two years, same as Sabri, and I have an idea of what we do, right? It's really apparent and most of the time, people that are not as close to CNCF will see us helping out in certain contexts. A lot of that is KubeCon in terms of the interpersonal. Dan Popp, you are the latest, you are by far, you should have been one a year ago plus. What does it mean to you being new to the ambassador program and why do you think you can maybe contribute or why do you think the CNCF sees you as somebody that can contribute to the overall mission, to expanding what cloud native means to the rest of the world? I think without a pandemic, there wouldn't be a pop as an ambassador. And here's what I mean. You have to do different things to kind of get people involved in the community. You had like meetups, now it's a lot more virtual meetups. And so I took it upon myself to, I loved being at conferences and being able to like, not just like the track where you go and learn something, which is awesome. By the way, KubeCon and me is coming up everybody. Just make sure that, you know, I guess we have a thing on the bottom here about that. Basically like, it's the after grabbing a beer or grabbing tacos with somebody. And so I was like, how can you recreate that? And when you're, you know, socially distant or shelter in place, right?  I mean, it's like, I stake my career on Kubernetes. And then you look at all the accompanying CNCF projects, right?  This is such a great time to be. Like, and so taking that and the CNCF thing, you know, as I'm sorry, I'm sure Sabri would, you know, agree with me is like kind of giving us the brains to be able to go out there and kind of preach the gospel of these amazing projects. So, you know, that's what I think, you know, from an ambassador's perspective, it's that's what I think is the advantage. Absolutely, for sure. So I'm gonna have my screen shared here momentarily. I just wanted to show the page about the ambassador program on the CNCF website. And really, you know, the CNAs are kind of the acronym because we need more three letter acronyms to start with a C, absolutely. These are people, you know, I think one of the reasons that initially that the program started up was because of meetup and because of people that were driving engagements in their locality, right? And those localities, you know, the CNCF now has a meetup program powered by the Bevy platform and are connecting those meetups together. What they're doing is the same thing they're doing for individual projects that are in repos, but they're doing this for each meetup that's available that's out there, bringing them all together, supporting them with resources, if need be. And there's even a whole network of finding people to speak. So if anyone listening right now, I just wanna shout out, like the CNCF is providing so much to help drive the communication, the understanding of what cloud native means and education for people of what's going on. And definitely visit their website and check this stuff out. And they even tell you what they're currently looking for and you can get a sense of all the ambassadors here, many of which are doing way cooler stuff than I am because they actually have much deeper industry experience in some focused areas or they've been running meetups for many, many years. They've been running conferences, things like that.  He's come to my own meetups, things like that. There's this guy, Dan Popp right here. I don't know what this company, Cystig does, but he looks pretty cool. You know, there's such a wide range of people. And we're really looking people, if you are outside the U.S., absolutely, please check this out and please come be a part of this. So... Here's what I love, there's no egos on that page. There's no, and that's, again, there's no egos. There's people that want to help other people understand what's going on in this community. It's amazing and, you know, and I just, this is one thing I was like, any of those people, even interacting before, you know, I was an ambassador, it was always a pleasure. It was like, oh, you know, what are you doing here? Like, what is it I can help you with? So we want to perpetuate that going forward to anybody in the community. So everybody feels that. So, do you have any thoughts on the ambassador program you want to add in? Anything I'm missing? I don't think so. I'm actually, well, I think out of all of the ambassadors, I probably cared the least about Kubernetes, be perfectly honest, but that's okay. That's a good thing. That's actually a good thing. Because there's so much else there for you to be concerned about. And like, I'm, you know, very excited about the security projects, but also the observability projects. But there's databases, there's all expressions of cloud native development. But then the CNCF and you don't have to care about Kubernetes in order to be an ambassador for cloud native. Like, right? You don't have to have any infrastructure experience to care about cloud native. Like there are a lot of concerns that you can sort of, you know, in fact, I think it is more of a, if you're the person who is very much passionate about developer concerns, please become an ambassador because we need more, yeah. Exactly. So there's a, so if somebody has a question there, I'm sorry, it's a brief. Take it away. Take it away, Bob. Yeah. So we're the prerequisites for somebody to join the ambassador's program. I think they're pretty much listed on that site there. We might want to kind of reply to that. I'm sorry, I mean, we have a keyboard there, but you know, in terms of the prerequisites there, and definitely I love, there's somebody who joined this as Paolo Simmos, another ambassador. Thank you for joining. We appreciate that. Please make sure you all are asking questions, yeah. Yeah, bring those questions for sure. What is the role, I just clicked the apply link, and maybe we should have this made on the main page, but this really is some of the key, like these are probably the three key things about what we're looking for. And I guarantee you, if you even remotely are involved, you probably hit one or more of these by default. So here's your pretty standard Google form, but it's not difficult, definitely. So definitely consider it, and look at the resources that you get access to. I actually don't know if they're listed here. So meetup.com is kind of how there's another area and I will, if someone could link it, yeah, here we go. They did it already. GitHub.com slash NCF slash ambassadors, give me two seconds, I'll pull that up right here. And what it shows is like, for instance, I run a meetup in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and this section here shows ambassador benefits. And one of the things right here, let me zoom in on that real quick, is ambassador benefits, this section right here. And the link for that again is github.com slash cncf slash ambassadors. And I mean, you get waived exam fees, but one of the big things is you get reimbursement for expenses related to your meetup. So I mean, we, cncf literally bought pizza for my participants for a long time. Maybe I shouldn't be saying this out loud. Maybe we should have kept that on the down low, but it was delicious pizza and everyone had a great time and it helps spur the community. I mean, there's people that came just for the pizza four minutes before we ended the meetup. So now everyone loved it and it just adds to getting stickers, getting other swag, getting things giveaways. I mean, all of this really builds into the whole thing of doing this. Pop, do you have something? No, I just, I totally agree with you. And again, there's the benefits are there, but there's also the intrinsic benefit, right? It's like, cncf is an amazing organization that supported all the things beyond pizza, right? I mean, there's a lot of stuff to support us with. And I'll give you an example, right? I wouldn't even have understood community and or Kubernetes had it not been a meetup that I went to in New York and shout out to Ariel, Jati, Ben and who's an ambassador as well, as well as Paul Burt. And it was like, I'm coming in. I'm gonna give you anything. And I've probably told the story, but I want to tell it again is like coming in as a stender, right? Coming in, trying to like pitch. And it's like, no, you don't do that. What you need to do is listen to the community and say, these are the things that I'm having to deal with on a day-to-day basis. Is there a solution in the ecosystem that does this? And if your solution's that great, like we've been fortunate with like, Sisting and Falco being that thing doing that, but there might be other things that are out there. So you want to understand where they are. So in terms of community, that is priceless. There would be no Mario, there'd be no Sabri, there'd be no Pop had there not been this amazing, kind of underlying support that we've gotten from the CNCF indirectly even. Absolutely. Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, I was gonna say, like, I think one of the things that the biggest benefit of that, even though, yes, pizza, but the support that we get for local meetups allows us to do things that don't require vendor sponsorships. And that's really, that's a big deal, right? We can have a top one go and not have to go searching around for who's going to pay for food this month. Now it's a little bit different when, you know, we're not doing in-person meetups anymore. So, but we can do book giveaways. And like I've, we've given up, we've gotten, I guess, what do you call it? Gift certificates for the CNCF store to give away, right? That's even sort of like, you know, that sort of thing enables us to reach the community a little bit better and not exactly.  And now there's masks on the store and like, you know, there's topical things on there too. So yeah, it is extremely helpful. There's a support desk as an ambassador that you can, you know, lob requests for, like if you need help for logos or if you need help designing a website or something like that. But all of the stuff extends also into the community. So if you're representing a project within the CNCF, you also get access to all of those resources, right? And so, you know, when I was early, early days of Spiffy, right, like we were able to leverage the CNCF for, you know, working on our website and documentation and stuff like that. And there's a lot of expertise built up in the organization that you can use. You don't have to build it from scratch, right? Absolutely, yeah. For a small open source project, that's incredible. Magno has a really awesome point. It's like, if you map where are the regions that are already represented by the current ambassadors, which is awesome. That's a great, great takeaway. I mean, Sabrina is already saying that there's a low amount of people in the St. Louis area that we, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna put this out there. Yes. All right, hold on. So the CNCF and our team here behind the scenes that you cannot see is doing a great job of this. They're trying to link some stuff. I don't know if this is, this is gonna actually 100% solve the problem, but I think this is a good start. It looks like they're using Google Maps here and they're plotting out ambassadors. I don't know if one pin means five or more or whatever, but there's a link there in the chat. So definitely check this out. This is really, I didn't even know this existed. Like this is super cool. If, yeah, exactly. Thank you, Magno. If there's nobody next to your region, like take the crown. Like that's even more, like we want as many people across the globe to be an ambassador, to add to that. And what the other two said, minus the pizza of what I was saying, they voice it far better than me. I'm just really hungry right now, I think. I didn't eat lunch, but like it's human connection. It's bringing people together. There is no substitute for how amazing that can feel. I don't know why I'm just sitting on Russia right now. Let me go back and show everybody the full map here. But, you know, we have some decent coverage where there's the hotspots of Europe and really America. And I'd love to see someone from Greenland or all the way in Antarctica. That would be awesome.  Now look at that. Look at Central America, right?  Think about Brazil, the amazing contributions we've had from Palo Samo's. Who else? Geez, Ricardo Katz. Another amazing, amazing, you know, Brazilian Carlos Panato, excellent resource, right? So like, we need more of that without a doubt. Absolutely, absolutely. Magno, you're my favorite. I'm glad you also like pizza. That's awesome. Pop, is there any other questions we're missing? I don't want to miss anything. I think there is one on how often the ambassador applications are reviewed. I actually found that FAQ over here on that GitHub page that I showed, I have up on the screen right now. Hopefully this answers questions as well. So thanks to everybody for your great questions. Let's pivot off from- More ambassadors in Africa, that was another question. There's another, we need more ambassadors. All right, well, I'm not sure I can make that happen right now, but you know what? If anyone has ideas- If the show will be giving out, we'll be giving out ambassadorships. Yeah, we should do that. No, that should be a show. Let's just give out ambassadorships. Like if you have a nomination for somebody, I think this is a thing too. And if it isn't, we're going to make it a thing. You should be able to nominate anybody that you think is worth it. I know other ambassadors, of course, have kind of a where and thought to be able to be trusted a little bit more when it comes to, you know, recommending somebody. But I think like if you talk to us and we're an ambassador and we're like, yeah, this person, how did I not know this person existed? Like let's go through the process. Let's get it down. It can really add to that region. Pop, what's that other question from that Magno he's got? Magno, you're all on fire. Listen, if I wrote a Magno, okay, you only get two questions. No, I'm just kidding. So like, do you need to be based or living in the region? Do you want to start a meetup group since everything is remote? I mean, honestly, like being able to just start like a stream or something like that where you're getting people involved from that perspective, you know, or join a local one and do, you know, a talk there and help organize that. I mean, that's the first thing you could probably do. I think we all got our start from that perspective. I don't know. Sabri or Mario, you've want to add to that. Yeah, I don't know. Like I know right now, and we've sort of talked about this in the ambassador channel in some of the meetings. It is sort of difficult to, everyone is competing online and that's really hard, right? And not to discourage anyone from trying to do anything online right now. But I will say like the cool thing about having regional events is that you can connect with local businesses, your local community, people who are dealing with local concerns, right? Like the tech community here in St. Louis is very different than the tech community in San Francisco, for instance, like they're not even the same sort of thing. But we all have common concerns and, you know, the CNCF, cloud native is applicable to those concerns in some way. A lot of that kind of gets squished when you're dealing with online only events, right? So yeah, that's sort of my take on it. It's hard to distinguish yourself online. And I do sort of miss the local connection and being able to do things here and sort of bring people in my community together. But, you know, there is a future. There's a future where we can come back together, right? Hopefully any person, right? So planning for that and, you know, setting the infrastructure I think is important. It's also just like, you know, a lot of the local meetups that have continued through sort of the pandemic are now all capable of streaming. So hopefully once we actually sort of get to a place where we can do things locally, we can also do that and stream, which will only make sort of the content available really better. Yeah, absolutely 100%. There's a couple other quick questions we can get real quick. Do you need to be CK? Absolutely not.  In this space, that's a good one. There's nothing you really need. And then I think someone said more meetups in Africa. You know what? Use the meetup platform. Use meetup.com. Just search around where you live or you can search anywhere and see what meetups are available. Or start one. Or start one. There's not one in your area. Look, if you need to support a CNCF, just join the, you know, the CNCF Slack. We'll see what we can do to support you from that perspective. At the end of the day, we're all having the ability to start up a virtual meet. You can do that from anywhere if you want to. But it's, you wanna get attendance. You wanna get people enjoying this. And by the way, everybody who's watching this, please make sure to, you know, follow our Twitch channel. Like there's gonna be a lot more content we're putting out there and ambassadors are gonna be involved in a lot of stuff here. So please, if you like what you're seeing here, make sure that you're also following our Twitch here. Just click that little button on the top. Yeah, your respective platform, follow us. There's gonna be more discussion about this. We will answer more questions about those. We'll bring people on air who have gone through this process who are involved in their community, in the wider global community and are doing amazing things. I wanted, I completely forgot about this, the cloud native community groups. So this is what I meant when I was talking about the CNCF supporting these groups and kind of tying them all together. This is cloud native community groups. This is powered by the Bevy platform. And this is how the CNCF is helping drive the meetups by region that already exists, that people are bringing to the table and that you can just go in here and search. You can search anywhere, right? And I mean, this is crazy, right? Like, look at all these Brazil, so we don't have as many people from Brazil or if anybody in, as an ambassador, like this is crazy right now. And you can just contact this person, like no problem, right? And we have the same thing for right here, like apply it, hold on. So you can find an event, you can find people that's, I think that's more, behind the scenes in the ambassador realm, but you can apply to host a meetup, right? And that just takes you to how to apply right here. Syncwithmeetup.com, if you're using that already. Really, we're not trying to replace meetup.com, we're just trying to like get kind of a unified place for you to find what you wanna tap into. So some amazing stuff here. I wanna move on, but definitely leave your questions. We'll answer any questions that come in. Can I bring up one point? I'm so sorry. I'm gonna blow guard your show, Mark. I swear to God, I just see it in my show. It's our show, okay. So Magno, you said you can present in Brazilian and Portuguese. So like, look, like Paulo Samos is here. He's a representative, he's an ambassador from Brazil. Talk, like go and interact with him if you want. Like you're all both on Slack. I know both of you, right? And so that'd be a great way to start that. But every single time, again, I started my show for instance. And when I started it, I'm like, this is the worst production value, but I kept undoing it and doing it and doing it. I asked Kelsey and Kelsey came on. You have to start that journey. You cannot just go and be complacent and say, I wanna do this, you have to do something. And Sabrina, I'm sure had that in his journey. He wanted to start up a meetup.  Well, we all ate pizza. We did what we gotta do. Mario, like, you know, same thing. You can't just wish something to happen. You gotta do something. We are a community of doers. That's what we are. Yes, I can't even make that any better. I could talk about that topic all day. It's so hard to start something from nothing, but listen, it's the internet. Everyone's available on some platform. You can talk to anybody. You can talk to absolutely anybody, right? They may not respond if they're the CFO of Facebook, but like, you can talk to anybody, right? And that's the thing, this community, and many of you watching know this, this community is one of the most open, flexible, welcoming communities I've ever been a part of. And so that is not a problem. And if it is a problem, tell somebody. You know, just join us in the channel who also has an amazing show who just, you know, he started this and as great is Adrian Goines. He's just started, he started a while back, but he has, you know, Coffee and Cloud Native. All checked that out. Fantastic show.  It's brilliant. So definitely, you know, besides clicking the follow and on our foundation Twitch, go check out CNCN. This, this is Adrian's site. I presume very well put together. I've never watched this.   I love you. I would too. But like, I need to start checking this out. There's so much good content here. And this is just one, I think we're gonna get into a few others later on in the show. But let's, let's move on. I wanted to get into a little bit of news. And so I'm gonna pull up one of the publications that I love keeping an eye on here. Hopefully I have it open in a tab. Probably not though, because I'm not good at preparing for things. So let me, let me get that up real quick. It's called Cube Weekly. And it's a weekly newsletter put together by, I believe, I think it's owned by the CNCF now. I know, Bob Killen and some of the other people are behind it that are really big in SIG Contributex and huge contributors. I wanted to walk through some news, just a couple news items, either in the past week or the past month, what's going on right now, just to give everyone kind of a heads up. And Cube Weekly is a great way to do this. There's also the CNCF site as well has news. And obviously there's other newsletters. Please provide us if there's something that you follow that's a weekly email or something like that, that you really enjoy, other than Reddit or Hacker News. That CNCF, whatever, like share it with us because we're always looking for this stuff. Cubeless is a good one as well. It's from the folks at Replicated. They do a weekly newsletter. Wait, is that what you're looking at right now? I'm sorry. I'm looking at Cube Weekly. Hold on, Cubeless is another one, right? Yeah, Cubeless. Hold on, I got a link. Hold on. We can be, Cubeless.com looks like. Let me look this up. Is the latest issue? Here we go, yeah. So they focus on the theme and then they build, you know, articles and other resources that they'll share around that theme. So this week's theme was Secrets and, you know, EKS and Christian Provider for Depends in Depth, is there, it's all great. Like it's not tied to any particular platform. So, yeah, this is the great one as well. I think they're both weekly. And then Cubeless has a podcast now too. I didn't even know about this. I've been looking for other like CNCF, Kubernetes related podcasts. And this looks really, really good. So, ooh, Ben, I'm a good friend of Ben. He's a good guy. William, Linker D, this is amazing stuff.  Dan, what? Dan Pop? What? You're everywhere, man. What's going on? What? I can't even go to, I can't browse away without Dan Pop. Dang. I am the most, you know, pound side blessed. I'm the most blessed human being ever. And I just, I love everybody, man. I just love this. Just being with this community.  I've got nobody, but I'm nobody who I have the community. No, no, Dan, Dan is doing, what I'm saying is Dan is doing some amazing stuff. He is getting out there. He's helping others do amazing stuff. And we're so happy to have him. And Sabri as well, who literally answered the call at the last minute to be here today, which is why I had no clue what he actually did. So I'm so glad to actually officially be there. I think there's still like, among the ambassador program, I still feel really detached from other people and it's saddening. Like I need to go to more cube cons and COVID needs to be over. One last podcast I wanna highlight. This is the main, this is the podcast that I think came out first is the Kubernetes podcast from Google. And there's some great interviews here on a variety of technologies and things, you know, in the cloud native ecosystem. They're not just focused on Kubernetes.  Sillium, I mean, these are, these are some great things. Every time there's a major release, we talk to someone from the release team, like this stuff is fantastic. If you wanted some insight on how this stuff came to be, how to contribute to these projects, check out this podcast as well. Of course there's software engineering daily. There's a gazillion podcasts. So- Can we talk about one in particular? Not, can I take my ambassador hat off and put the podcast on real quick? Because you know about the last time- He was clogged, right? But I just, my season two came out today and what I love about it is yet another ambassador, right? Phil Estes, Phil Estes, who the king of container D. I mean, he goes deep and talks about, you know, open container initiative, what he did to kind of, you know, make container D kind of a standard for, you know, folks to use from a runtime perspective that's almost agnostic, right? If you think about it back in the, you know, the early days of Kubernetes, there was many runtimes, there's Docker, Rocket and all of those things, right? And so, yeah, it's available in audio or video if you all want to check it out.  But yeah, it's, we're on YouTube and this year where there's another thing is we're doing transcripts. So like if, you know, folks in the past, you know, if they, you know, from an accessibility perspective, they'll be able to see it. You know, they're all about it. We're going to read it. It's all there for you. But I'm super excited about the season. We have a lot of huge names. Like, you know, it's going to be really a lot of fun. So. Absolutely. Thanks for, thanks for having me. So Brie, all right, anything you, what do you follow? Well, how do you, how do you keep contact with what's going on in the world? Twitter, unfortunately. What's the problem with Twitter? Okay. Yeah, but I mean, there are some, there are some pretty good lists that you can follow. Like I know there's a Twitter list for ambassadors that you can follow. And so like, I think the topic lists are actually some of the more productive ones because you do get like a very nice sort of curated view of what's going on with the community. You know, I do, I'm old school RSS. So like all of the blogs that you just posted, you can subscribe with like Featly.  But yeah, I mean, I think that the CNCF Slack is also very good just for getting involved and hearing about what people are talking about. Yeah, nothing else that hasn't really been mentioned. There's a lot of really good newsletters, actually, that, you know, you can sign up for that. I think, you know, if you're an email person, I can't really email anymore. It's too much noise. So yeah. No, I feel, yeah, I feel, yeah. It's more like, I don't want something push face. It's gonna get into my face. It's like when I'm ready, I will pull that data, right? Like I will, I will get that. So for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Which is why like RSS, I can just check it, you know, whenever I have time, like I'm gonna queue up this podcast and then listen to it and all that great stuff. So definitely, I think, you know, especially everyone's working from home, generally, hopefully you're working from home. You know, you can listen to stuff in the background and it creates an opportunity for you to get a little bit more content than you would be able to if you were in the office. Absolutely. Magno has one shameless plug for his GitHub awesome Kubernetes security project. Hold on, hold on. Let's see if the Google power can bring this up. Awesome Kubernetes security project. Let's see what happens. Magno, you gotta share links to this. Like there's so many. Oh, ooh. Yeah, there it is. Look right there. Number two on Google. That's SEO, baby. Magno's got the SEO on lock. This guy right now, oh my God. Oh, there's even a disclaimer. I love it. I love it. Magno, who are you? What is going on? I wanna invite you to my house. Like come to dinner, please. This is great. Magno, will you accept this rose? Oh man, I did watch The Bachelor on Monday. I don't know if anyone else did. All right, so moving on. This is great stuff. Thank you so much for everybody sharing links. Definitely check out Awesome Cade Security by Magno. All right, I just wanna talk through some news. I love going through Q Weekly because I think it provides a few different kind of like vessels. So you can technical, you know, more of the, you know, kickoff the mentoring program. Like it's a little higher level of like the programs that are happening. Graduation of projects we know and love, OPA, Open Policy Agent. This is a big one. Hopefully everyone can see my screen. Like this is, hitting graduate status is a big deal. There's definitely like a set of standards that CNCF has in place for her projects to graduate. This is huge. Of course, you know, the new TOC members, that's all great, but I'm a little more technical. So I always scroll down to this technical bit right here. And one of the big things that I see right here is how to debug crash loop backup in a container. This is from David Giffen. And this, I actually didn't get a lot of time to deep dive this, but this is the number one issue in my experience that developers kind of face. Is my application is doing something. I have no clue what it's doing. Whether or not it's not logging properly. I just don't know when the container starts what's actually happening. And Kubernetes, a lot of the time bubbles up as a crash loop backup. This guy should seriously help you out immensely. This is the kind of stuff I've loved to see. Take the time to review some of this. Here, right here, K9S, one of my favorite tools in the world. K9S is one of the greatest, it's a terminal user interface, a 2E, if you will. So you can continue using your CLI, check out this project. But I don't want to get too far down the rabbit hole. I think you quickly, There's a bunch of Falco there. Oops. Wait, what? I don't, hunting for Mel worth. I don't, I don't. Yeah, Lord. You're awesome. Awesome. Who is this guy? Dan, Lord. I don't, who is that? I don't, what is this? Oh, medium. I'm tired of medium. To the generic art. I love it. I love, I love it. Wonderful. Dan's a great resource. It's a great, it's a great read. It's just like how to detect malware. Looks in this, looks in this right here. I got the idea to use Falco for this after Danpop NYC sent me a few links on Twitter. This guy right here, if you need anything, just talk to Danpop on Twitter. I mean, investment advice, ask him. He knows how to invest in GameStop. He'll let you know what you're doing wrong. I guarantee it. Like, yeah. Dogecoin, doge doggy coin, do that. See, only the best advice right now. By the way, Bill, put the disclaimer here. Yeah. Oh, no, no. I'm starting to sweat this is bad. All right. So one of the ones I also wanted to highlight, I actually listened to the podcast a couple days ago in the car, is a Kubernetes podcast on backstage with Lee and Matt from Spotify. So Spotify actually was looking for sort of a application registry index for managing their applications across the organization and getting an idea of the state of them, what's going on, who the ownership is. It's kind of like a spreadsheet sort of model, right? With columns that tells you things about what's going on with your services. Everyone's looking for this, right? And some CICD systems and others that are out there can solve this, but I think this is homegrown. This is the size of a company like Spotify. They're solving these problems themselves, and it's really unique the way they're bringing it to the table. Of course, there's also news in the Kubernetes podcast, good stuff here as well, a big one on scaling to 3,500 nodes, OpenAI, they did their second article on how they achieved this. And this stuff is really, really interesting. So you can definitely go down the rabbit hole here. There's everything they talk about in the podcast is linked here as well. Definitely check it out. So let me go back though. Anything else that y'all, Sabri, Pop, like what's going on this past week? What is, what are you hot on? What is the trail that you are following right now? A little bit of a shameless plug. We announced the first cloud native Rust Day on Monday. And this kind of came maybe intentionally, right? On the heels of the Rust Foundation announcing basically hello to the world. So there's a lot of excitement there. And so this is going to be sort of our chance or anyone else who's involved in Rust. Maybe you've never heard of it. Maybe you have to, you know, Smith Talks, hang out. It's going to be on the third. So we've actually increased, there's normally like one additional day before the main conference for co-located events this year. There's going to be two. And so if you wanted to attend this on like the third and then Wasm Day, for instance, on the fourth, which is also relevant to a lot of folks in the Rust community, you can do both.  I know the cloud native security day is also on the fourth. So super excited to announce that. Can we talk about that? Just the cloud native security day a little bit and- Let's do it. Yeah, I'm sorry, Sabri. I don't want to finish your thought there, but- No. Yeah, I'm not going to talk about Rust here because I can talk about it forever. So Rust is cool. But yeah, so the cloud native security day is on the fourth, as we're saying as well. And be able to- Yeah. And that we're having, you know, CFPs, please submit those.  That they're doing for WebAssembly, which is cool. But what I like about these events is basically it's catered to the security community that, you know, obviously with the DevOps aspect of it, but like there's things like where, you know, and I'm part of Six Security, it's a great team. So is Magno, shout out Magno, shout out to Emily Fox and all the folks over there. But you know, what I love about it is, it's, you know, tailored to the security community. It's one day that you're just talking about these things and things that are pertinent, like CVEs, how to address those things, you know, key management, all of them are very specific. Because when you go to KubeCon, obviously there's a security track, there's things you can take there, but you get pelted with so many different things, which is awesome.  You go back and say, I don't want to see this talk again, you know, in Coldwater did a great talk, they were awesome, right? But then like this day is literally just jam-packed with just specific security. Spend the whole day and you absorb all these security beautifulness and I love it. Submit a CFP, I'm on the community over there. So I'm excited because it's awesome. It's, you know, there's a lot of really cool things that, you know, we're going to be covering this part of this security day, so. I should probably turn on my mic, that'd be helpful. That's when the light's on, it's good, I should learn that. No, this is a good stuff right here. This is the CFP page for Cloud Native Security Day. And so just so I understand, this Cloud Native Security Day is a day zero event, correct for EU, right? Yes? I believe so. I actually announced the announcement, event day Tuesday, May 4th. Yeah, you may have to fix that because day zero is now technically the third. May 3rd, okay. Minus one day, I don't know. So we have to figure out that a little bit, but yeah, it would, yes, it's the day before. Gotcha. So February 19th is when the CFP closes, everybody get it together, build something up, whatever you're doing that's cool in security, check this out, it's really easy. I've gone through the positive multiple times to submit a talk, it's not too bad, there's some basic stuff, you'll get accepted if you have a pretty decent, pretty fun, insightful talk, absolutely, this is great stuff. And don't take it from Mari or Sabri here myself, take it from the guys, the folks like Magno out there. This one's for you Magno, all right? This one's for you. Yeah, this guy right now. All right, so there is this page, I did not know existed, probably because I don't know how to internet. Events.LinuxFoundation.org slash about slash calendar, we will link it as well. This is a calendar of upcoming events, including any day zero events, co-located events, anything going on. This is it right here. So as we can see, most of the May events are going to be day zero events. It looks like most of them are showing May 4th as well. So we might have to get that fixed at some point to make there Sabri, so we'll have to look into that. But there's one coming up here, I'm excited for right here. This is North America, but that's a little later. The big thing is these are all day zero events for KubeCon EU. KubeCon EU is coming, it's going to be in May, it's going to be virtual, we need to be safe. But I don't know, I'm excited for this one. What are your thoughts on this one? Anything exciting, you're excited to see or hear from anybody, do you have a CFP submitted? What's the deal right now? I did post a link about just off of the heels of the cloud in a security day. The, I guess it's a sister foundation, the open software security foundation actually has a webinar coming up. If you're not involved in that community, you should join. If you're involved in NCN staff security, this is an extremely sort of relevant organization for you to join as well. There's a lot of really interesting discussions and working groups in that organization. So yeah, we're definitely looking for participation there as well and any sort of cloud native suggestions would be definitely welcome there. So that's the plug for that. Super excited for the Kubernetes, the cloud native AI call event, I actually, I did some quite a bit of AI sort of in cloud native last year. And I'm actually just like, as part of the maturity model, in my opinion, of Kubernetes is seeing Kubernetes extend into industry use cases that maybe aren't as obvious, right? And high performance computing, AI, academia, those are the sorts of things where like, there's a lot of stability required, but there's also like a lot of support needed for really obscure technology. And Kubernetes is getting to the point where, if you have an application written in really old school lists for something, we need to be able to support that in a containerized environment, how do you do that? We're now sort of reaching the place where we can offer specific advice for that sort of thing. And so, yeah, I'm happy that there are sort of communities that are coalescing around industrial use cases that are maybe a bit less mainstream, if you will. So that's really, really cool. So on that topic right there of the, how do I explain it? The massive focus niche-based usage of Kubernetes and other platforms. I actually just learned about the data on Kubernetes community. All it is is like a local community that started that's become wider with COVID, right? And they've really expanded their horizons. I think this might go right to their Slack, which I don't wanna do right now, but they have, oh, nope, they have a whole website and it's actually really nice. Y'all should check this out though. You are doing anything running data on Kubernetes. These are the sorts of communities that are cropping up, that are trying to help people understand and solve problems in a problem space that isn't as clear an apparent that everyone has, right? So this is amazing stuff. Definitely check out the doc community. I think they are still doing either weekly or bi-weekly events. It's great. I actually, my meetup is on kind of a hiatus because we didn't really know how to leverage virtual as well as we probably could have, right? And it's a lot of effort. This community has put it forth and there's enough people that are really interested in this content. So that is fantastic. Give them a follow right now, do it. You will not be sad. All right, that's AID. Pop, what are you thinking for KubeCon EU? What do you have to do? We've submitted some CFPs, not only from the on the Falco side, but also submitted a couple just in terms of just help from helping folks from a streaming perspective. We'll see which ones to get accepted if they do. But I'm definitely looking forward to just being part of it. I loved the hallway track. I think a lot of you probably met me in the hallway track of every KubeCon perspective, but I just love that. I can't wait to do that for the me of folk. But that's the part that I really enjoy is the interaction. One thing I'll break down, I thought was very cool about hallway track. Somebody came in to this Zoom that we had, which was Dems who's in the steering committee for Kubernetes was on it, started to zoom up in a channel. And it was like, somebody was like, how do I contribute? And somebody just broke up, broke us up into a side group and walk them through it, the whole channel. And I looked at that, I almost got teary eyed because I'm like, that is amazing. That is like exactly why we're here, like, you know, why I love this community.  So to me, like, regardless of if I have a talk or not, which you know, whatever, I just love that hallway track. I love it. So. That's amazing, right? That's some of the best advice. That is kind of the unknown gem, right? The hidden gem, I think of KubeCon. And it's harder virtually, but we make it work. I just found the main co-located events page for KubeCon EU coming up here in May. This lists all of those events. You can also view them from that event page that I was on previously. We'll get a link to that out to you as well. There's so much great stuff going on. So glad Day Zero has become that much bigger. All of these different focuses that people can get more insight on, share ideas, all that, this is fantastic. So plenty to speak at all of these. The Diversaries Scholarship, like, this is great stuff. You know, we should do, at some point, we should just do a HackMD with links that we could put for. And I'm sorry to do live thought here, but like, because we threw a ton of links in here, and people can go through the stream, but just think about it's like, and that's, again, shout out to you, Adrian. Adrian does that really well. I mean, at the end of the day, you have a whole listing of all the things that he reviewed and all of that. So anyway, shout out. No, absolutely. Our back-end team right now should be trying at how much we want from them, because I swear, we have standards. We're getting on our feet. We're gonna make this happen. I would love to see. Cancel the holidays, Bill. Yeah, no, no weekends. No weekends, Bill. That's it, you're working.  I'll send it to your house, I swear. No, this is good stuff. I can just export all the 48 tabs I have open, if you all want. I mean, you're using Toby, right? I mean. I am using Toby, yes, I am. So, no, this is great. Now I love more content, the better. See, I'm just gonna keep this open, because now I'm gonna start exploring ambassadors in my region. All right, we have 10 minutes-ish, let's talk streamers. Other people doing kind of what we're doing right now, but they're smarter than us. They are more, maybe powerful than us in terms of getting engagement, getting people to learn. I love, there's so much education out there, so much going on. I'm gonna stop talking, because the other two people in this chat know way more than I do about what's going on out there. I do have a few to recommend, so I will go last. I'm gonna call on Subri right now, actually. Highlight for us places that you have learned about some of the technologies in cloud native, interviews, whatever it might be, right? And I'm okay with podcasts, podcasts are cool, but anything that's maybe video-centric as well. What's wrong with podcasts? Nothing, nothing, they're good. I talked about them already, that's it, right? There's only the copyrights, I guess, we're good. All right, that's a good question. Yeah, so I guess because of sort of like my job, and I'm sort of heavily in the programming language space, like I've been following a lot of PL people who also stream, which is kind of cool. I think the coolest streamer in that basket is Jean, and I don't know how to pronounce her last name, I'm sorry, but I posted the link. And they have a Twitch stream, and a lot of the older episodes are on YouTube, and called PL Talk. And so if you're interested in programming languages, there's a lot of really relevant stuff there, but they're the CEO of a company called Akita. And Akita is this really, really cool tool that is extremely relevant to a lot of folks here that effectively looks at APIs and takes streaming APIs and basically builds a specification around that streaming API, and is able to do like real-time diffs of like, so if your API changes and there isn't any documentation for it, or if you're looking at it from a security perspective and things like that, this is a tool specifically for that. And so very much in the sort of like fringe cloud native born the developer tool side, but actually think that we need sort of like more people who are into that because it's really, really hard. So if you're interested in building technology for cloud native, especially developer side tooling, great person to follow and their stream is amazing. Like it's literally the who's who of programming languages and developer tools, like it's pretty incredible. So that would be like my plug here. Love it. Go pal. I think, obviously, Ivor Scott does a really good job. He does like React level stuff and I like his stream a lot. It's just, you know, it's pleasant to watch him code, right? It's he's very, you know, in the know about the things you do. We talked about Adrian. Adrian's stream is just so action packed and stuff like that. Raw code, another awesome, awesome resource for the community. And again, recently made an ambassador, very well-deserved, but you know, he takes it from the approach of just like really getting in there from soup to nuts, which I love. I think, let me put the, here's Ivor's just so you have it as well. Yeah. Thanks. And another person, it's not a stream per se, but it's basically like a weekly or maybe she does a couple of week, but Anais Ehrlich, she does a hundred days of Kubernetes. Like it's like a one-on-one, right? So she's basically taking each of those concepts and trying to go and, you know, help people understand them. And I really like that just because it's like, for the folks that are, you know, that are uninitiated, if you think about the person who was in the hall of track was trying to figure out like, you know, how do I contribute and all that fun stuff? I think, you know, that's super useful. So. Absolutely. Can you link that other one? You were just talking about- Yeah, yeah, no problem. Perfect. Yeah. Thank you. This is DavidVecay, rocko.live. This is great stuff. This is, I don't know if this is, yeah, he's got a website. Oh, he's working on his website. It's in progress right now. All right, cool. Probably he's got some legit articles. Cool. No, Rocko is an amazing teacher, I think for sure. Let me, let me get some of these other links here that, yes, this is fantastic. I love these personalities, currently doing 100 days of Kubernetes. This is amazing. I love this. I love this so much. What I love about this, and I know Anna, you said she's somebody who's like kind of asked some advice from me, but she already had it on lock. Is she's just taking like, you know, you said K, you know, K9S. She's like, all right, I want to learn that so I figured it out. Or I want to know what namespaces are. So like this whole thing is our 100 days of figuring out each thing that she's doing. It's really, really cool. Definitely check it out. Man, she's even got a newsletter going. This is amazing. Yeah. If you want to learn, this is the best way. Yeah. Okay, Paolo, Clubhouse. Listen, some of us have Android and we can't participate. Really annoying. And what is even Clubhouse right now? I don't even know. No, Clubhouse is starting to pick up steam. We will link all the latest when it comes to anything, Clubhouse or any other platforms for sure. That's it's picking up a lot of steam. Didn't Kelsey do a chat the other day or something like that? Like there's just left and right. Dude, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's my thought on this. And what I loved about, again, I think Kelsey on any medium is going to murder. Like it's just Howie. It's one of the most brilliant and amazing storytellers not only in our space, but any space by far, right? And so having them on there was like, literally it was people he, what I like about the medium is intimacy. He had like a bunch of people in the room that just asking questions. They each asked a question. He waited until the whole time for everybody to ask a question. The dude later, it was like three hours. So really cool. That's how you forward a medium. You can use it in such an effective way. And he absolutely use it in an effective way. That is really, really cool to hear. All right, so I thought I had more and I'm sure I do somewhere, but I'm not finding them right now. I have one. And this is someone I found kind of randomly. I think that YouTube recommended it actually based on what I was watching. This is that DevOps guy. And that's not a great picture of him. So let me go to the main page and great the pictures don't get that much better. Good to hear. No, I'm joking. I got that in your face. In your face. The disclaimer, the disclaimer on the bottom. Mario's opinion does not reflect my employer's opinion. I swear. No, no, no, it's clickbaity YouTube. Sort of like this is what you have to do. Sabrina has me. He's got me covered. No, no, exactly. Like, and there's nothing wrong with that. I actually, I really enjoyed watching this. Like a subscribe button that DevOps guy. Yes. Absolutely. Like, but this is this is crazy because he got recommended to me. He's got over 15,000 subscribers, including me right now. I just did it. And see, I added my videos to watch later and then I never actually like go and subscribe to him. Could you subscribe to our Twitch? Yeah, what am I doing? It's like I'm not even here. Come on. All right. Subscribe to our Twitch. You will be paid in dividends. I guarantee it. You're going to love it. But no, that DevOps guy does a great job because he starts at zero. And he helps you do the thing that the video is about from zero. All you need is a computer and you can go from there. He describes it out really well. And there's a lot of stuff here.  I was watching one on Argo the other day. This stuff is literally gold. There's many more of these. We plan to share a lot more later on as well. Like the there is so much going on in the community. And you all need to be tapped into that for sure. This is the CNCF's page. Of course, all of the keep kind of videos and content from anything CNCF related go here as well. You can see kind of go to a playlist and get an idea. Here's all the San Diego videos, for instance. And yeah, there's so much good stuff going on. We have just one minute. Any last thoughts from anybody right here? So Brie, pop, give it to me. No, I think that's pretty much it. We covered everything. I think we need like a CNCF coin for those dividends now. So we can all just not do that. I have a completely separate Twitter talking about cryptocurrency because no one wants to hear about it on my main Twitter. So. All right. Maybe we'll link that. I don't know. Follow the PopTaskClubPop. That's that like and subscribe button. Yeah, DanPop is the man. Just search DanPop. Don't click the Funko Street Fighter DanPop games figure on Amazon. Click the second one. 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