The closed session of the November 12, 2019 meeting of the Santa Cruz City Council. And this part of the meeting, the council will receive public testimony. Thereafter, the council members will move to the courtyard conference room for the closed session. I would like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor, Council Member Cron. Here. Lever? Here. Myers? Here. Brown? Here. Mathis? Here. Vice Mayor coming? Here. And Mayor Watkins? Here. Are there any members of the public who would like to address the council on our closed session agenda? Please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes. Hello council members. My name is Dania. I live in Santa Cruz and I'm here because I received a letter a few days ago that said that I should address the council for my issue.  I live at 315 Ocean View Avenue and I park in front of my house. I've lived there since April, April. And I've had no problems except in September, I went out to my street to go get my car, to go have a surf, and it was not there. And I called the police department and the police department informed me that it had been towed. I thought it had been stolen. I don't know why, so the police department informed me that there was a neighbor that called in my car, that a warning sign was placed on my vehicle and that because it was moved, it was towed. Here's the warning sign, the car, so I checked the laws of the state of California and it seems that legally I have three calendar days to move my car. The car was moved before the three calendar days. I don't know if you've received any paperwork for this, I should say I have filed a claim with the police department and I filed a claim with the city of Santa Cruz and with all kinds of copies and documentations and do you have that with you? We'll go ahead and pause. This is an opportunity, since it's on our agenda, we have the documentation. But this is an opportunity for us to hear from you, we don't really engage with dialogue in terms of questioning. I see. You can share your thoughts with us forever. You have received it, great, because I wasn't expecting to address the city council, happy too. So my wish is that the towing fees would be refunded. Because the car was parked legally in front of my house, I was sleeping while the car was towed, and the towing fees were considerable. And I only realized the car was towed when I went out to use it and found it gone. So you're not allowed to ask me any questions. You have everything that I submitted to both the police department and the city. I think that's my two minutes. Thank you. Great, thank you. Thank you. I had a quick question. Councilmember Cronin. You saw the thing on your windshield for a couple days before, or you just have never seen it? Good question, the reason that I have it is because it was, it did this. Because otherwise, these signs are pasted on windows and you have a fun time removing them. But here's the original warning sign with, so it was like when I, so I picked up the car at the tow company and this thing was sort of inside the. Thanks. Is there any other member of the community who wants to address the council before closed session? Okay, thanks guys. Okay, Mr. Condati. Yes, we may have a subsequent need item. I was asked prior to the meeting if the council could add as subsequent need consideration and initiation of litigation relating to the Ross encampment that's sprang up over the weekend. Under the Brown Act, the council can add an item to the agenda if at least two thirds of the council determines that the item arose subsequent to the posting of the agenda and that there's an immediate need to take action prior to the next regular meeting. So that would be the process should the council wish to add that to the closed session. Is there any council member who is interested in making a motion to add that? Council member Matthews. I would be interested in adding this to the agenda for the purpose of a discussion. A session. Okay, I'll go ahead and second that. Any further discussion? And I guess I have to say making the appropriate findings of urgency. Okay, council member Connell. Can we say why it should be closed session and not an open session discussion? That would be my recommendation both because it's authorized for considering initiation of litigation and due to potential liability concerns surrounding the Ross camp in general and related issues. Any other questions? Seeing none, all those in favor, excuse me, is there any member of the community who wanted to address or could they address, would that be appropriate for community input at this time? Please come forward, you'll have two minutes. In the general sense, right, of this event happening. It shows that people in dire need, without you judging them, people in dire need will do what they feel is necessary. When I'm talking with such people, I try to ameliorate any tendency toward extremism of any kind. And I always encourage them to be good neighbors, respect every official of the county, work things out in a court if they have disagreements, or come here and sort it out. I guess that's the role I'm trying to play. There will be probably more of these things happening. People setting up camps spontaneously, as far as I can tell. I don't like that too much, personally. I'm part of a coalition, and that includes people who want to do these camps. But I want the camps to be better organized. I want the county and city to have a definite policy. I want all the neighborhood groups to work on this as well. The Chamber of Commerce, the police, we can do this. Thank you. Mr. Zinni, for the discussion, Council Member Clever. Thank you, so yeah, I think it's important for us to have the conversation. I will also just point out for the record while we're in public session, that this, I believe, is a direct result of our policies back in May to close the camp without adequate shelter space. And thus forcing people that are in need of service and or shelter to find their own means. So I think we should take that in consideration as we enter into closed session and make conscious and forward thinking action. This is just a discussion, but moving forward to address the situation in a compassionate, constructive, and generative way as opposed to a degenerative or destructive way of criminalizing. Thank you. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously, so we'll now adjourn to our closed session. And I'd like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor, Councilmember Crone. Here. Clever. Present. Myers. Here. Brown. Here. Matthews. Vice Mayor Cummings. Here. And Mayor Watkins. Here. And if our clerk could please lead us to the Pledge of Allegiance. So jumping right in, we'll go ahead and move right along into our introduction of new employees. And I'd like to invite up our acting director of finance, Cheryl, to introduce her new employee. Good afternoon. Today it's my pleasure to introduce Molly Vang. She's our new, the finance department's new purchasing technician. Molly's lived in Monterey County for the past 13 years, but originally comes from the Central Valley. She moved to Santa Cruz two years ago and is happy to be part of the community. Her prior work includes CSUMB, CSU Monterey Bay. And she worked for an international sports summer camp where she spent part of the year on the East Coast. Molly's interests include farming and harvesting and salsa dancing. She's known for a positive and helpful attitude and keeping a keen oversight over purchase orders for the city. Thank you. Very nice. Nice to welcome Molly. And now I'd like to invite up our assistant director for our libraries, Eric Howard, to introduce his new employee. Hello, good afternoon. I'm very happy to introduce Sarah Jones, who is our new assistant to help out with our volunteer office. This is an coordinator. We have over 200 volunteers for our libraries. If you're interested or know anybody who is interested, Sarah is the person to connect with. She's had lots of experience in many different fields, including software companies. And also motivating and organizing PTA parents. So some of you may have an appreciation for the challenges there. So we are very, very happy to have her. Thank you. Wonderful. Welcome, welcome. Next, I'd like to bring up our director of economic development, Bonnie Lipscomb, to introduce her new employee. Good afternoon, Mayor and members of the council. It's my pleasure to introduce Andrea Inouye, who is our housing program specialist. Andrea is a California native. She was born in San Francisco and grew up in Emoryville. She went to UC Irvine for undergraduate school and USC for grad school, where she earned a master's in urban planning with a concentration in social and community development. She has a work history and direct services and a number of nonprofits during graduate school. She has a lot of relevant housing experience. Her most recent job was at UCSC as part of the employee housing office. She's also worked in a nonprofit in housing. And some of her past experience includes being a housing analyst for a nonprofit working on the homeless stabilizing team in Alamina County, which provided emergency services for housing. So she has direct and deep relevant experience on sort of a housing first model and a relevant skill set for working in housing in Santa Cruz. She really likes working for the city. She loves being part of our housing team. She's currently learning about measure O for sale units. Monitoring will be working on our CAPER. That's our Consolidated Annual Performance and Evaluation Report. Community Development Block Grants, Home Basic Information will be engaged in invoicing and creating systems. She's extremely organized, so it's been really fun having her as part of our actually very organized housing team, but working on checking security deposits for programs. Her favorite job, past job, was a rec leader in Emeryville while she was in high school. So her civic experience runs deep and long. And the most surprising thing she's learned since she's joined the city is how much the employees really care about their work and community. And she loves being downtown. It really makes her feel more a part of the community too. So please join me in welcoming Andrea. Welcome. Welcome. But last, but certainly not least, we'll invite our Director of Public Works, Mark Dettel, to introduce his new employees. Good afternoon, Mark Dettel, Director of Public Works. It's my pleasure to introduce two new employees. Next to me is Miguel Aguirre. He's in a sanitation division, a solid waste worker. He's born and raised in Watsonville and currently lives in Watsonville. He has two sons, 13 year old and a 10 year old, and a dog named Kermit. So, it's a little Sesame Street there. Before joining the past work experience, he worked as a solid waste worker, aid one for the city of Watsonville, gave him the experience to join our team. He also worked for Santa Cruz Bicycles, and he worked as a plumber for six years. When he's not working, he likes to spend time with his kids and enjoy outdoor activities, work on his truck, video games, and watch movies. So please join me in welcoming Miguel. Next to Miguel is Kenny Jetho. He's our new engineering technician. And he works in the transportation division. He was born in Santa Clara and grew up in Santa Cruz Mountains off Soquel San Jose Road. Currently lives in Seabright. And his past work experience includes working in Apple Maps as, for Apple Maps as a GIS technician and data analyst. He had a brief stint in PG&E also as a GIS technician. He attended Cabrio College for three years, and then went to the University of Santa Barbara and graduated with a Bachelor's of Arts in Geography and GIS. And when he's not working, he enjoys rock climbing at Pacific Edge during the weekends and tries to head up to Tahoe or the Sierras during the weekend. So please join me in welcoming Kenny. Welcome to all the new employees. Okay, we'll go ahead and move right along. We have a series of presentations. The first of which is our City Government Academy graduation. I'd like to invite up Director of Parks and Recreation, Tony Elliott. All right, good afternoon, Mayor and City Council. For the record, my name is Tony Elliott, Director of Parks and Recreation. And we've got as many folks as we could get today from our City Government Academy in the middle of a work day here. But yeah, I wanted to talk a little bit about this program. So over the past two months, we've had about 20 participants in the inaugural City of Santa Cruz City Government Academy program. The participants met eight times with various city departments, including the city manager, public works, the police department, fire department, economic development and planning, the water department, the library system and parks and recreation. Each department through the program was responsible for crafting a curriculum and a hands-on learning experience for the participants in the program. And really the purpose of the program is to gain, for students to gain, participants to gain a better understanding of how the city government works here in Santa Cruz. So some examples, the students sat on the dais where the city council sits right now as they learned about the council manager structure of government from the city manager and assistant city manager. They worked together to solve a mock crime complete with a lot of packets of ketchup at the police department, which was fun and engaging and they toured maybe one of the most fun experiences which was touring the wastewater treatment plant with public work. So a variety I could go on and on of different experiences that the group experienced throughout the last couple months. Again, the purpose of the government academy is to open the doors to the city and to provide a transparent, experiential opportunity to learn about the inner workings of local government. And our hope really through this program is that residents will gain a better understanding of how the city functions and ways they can also get involved. And that could be from board and commission involvement to volunteerism opportunities, so many, many different ways that could be a follow-up or an outcome of people being involved in the government academy. The program is free. It was free and will continue to be free to the community moving to the future. And we look forward to hosting this program again next fall of 2020 for class number two. So on behalf of the parks and recreation team that coordinated the city government academy, I just want to say thanks. We're very grateful to the city council and the city manager for the support of the program and certainly to all the different departments, department leads and department heads who helped us put on the program. And also want to say thanks to the students. This was a two hour commitment each week for each of the last eight plus weeks. So it's a big commitment from them, but we're very grateful to have a really excellent group to kick off the program. So with that, I'd like to just ceremonially read off the names of the folks in the program, some of which are behind me here. And then after that, I would ask if we could come up to the dais and take a photo with the city council. All right, Amanda Armstrong, Amber Burke, Anna Costa, Kendra Dawson Bach, Jane Doyle, Renee Golder, Serge Cagno, Claire Ken, Caroline Lamb, Jane Mio, Jared Moon rising, Alex Nielsen, Ada Popkey, Andrew Raz, Phillip Rosenblum, Don Scott Norris, Cindy Smith, Kim Smith, Rafa Sonnenfeld and Seth Suresh. We're the participants in the inaugural city government academy program. So please join me in giving them a round of applause. If we may, can we come up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, please. Thank you for your presentation. Thanks to all those who are here today for your interest in engagement with our city government and to those who aren't. Please extend our gratitude to them and please come on up to the dais if you'd like for the picture. Can I also just thank Director Elliott for coordinating this. It's a really great program and so glad it's happening and welcome everybody. You're here. Amen. Great job. With us. Yeah. To see if you're fast. That was wonderful. When at first of many. Okay. Thank you. One shot, that's daring. Thank you very much for the presentation and for the work. And really quickly, Tony, before you head out, if there's those who are either in the audience or watching at home, they want to be part of class two. They should visit the Parks and Recreation website. Okay, sounds like that's the best place to access this opportunity in the future. Great. All right. Well, I'd like to invite up our mountain bikers of Santa Cruz to come forward with their presentation for a brief update on the work they've been up to. Hello, Mayor and Council. Thanks for having me here today. Just going to pull up our presentation here real quick. All right, here we go. Yeah, so hey, I'm Matt Young, Executive Director of Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz. Today, here to talk to you guys a little quick reminder, our introduction to who we are and what we do. And also wanted to tell you guys about all the work we've done in City Parks over our past season. We talk about our trail work seasons as June to June of every year. We do most of our work over the winter months. Yeah, so we're your local nonprofit trail advocacy and stewardship organization. That means we partner with our local land managers to fund, design, build and maintain sustainable trails and bike parks. What that looks like is we do a lot of trail maintenance. This is the Yukon Trail in Pogonip a couple of years ago over a pretty bad winter and the trail got really chewed up. So we coordinated a big volunteer effort to repair that trail. We had volunteers from the community and various businesses come out. They will bear like 30 tons of rock down the hill to repair this section of the trail. And this is what it looked like afterwards, so big improvement there. We also build new trails. This is in Pogonip near the old lookout trail. We rerouted that trail because there were some erosion and safety issues there. So we took this raw hillside here and built a new trail and decommissioned the old trail. We restored it back to natural habitat. We also do trail planning. We've been involved in the Santa Redwoods project up the coast with the Land Trust. We build trails for the demonstration forest up in Soquel. We worked for state parks. We rebuilt the Channel Loop rerout over there. Built them a McCurry Trail in the city of Santa Cruz Pogonip Open Space Preserve. Working in the city of Scotts Valley. This is the new Glenwood Preserve right behind Scotts Valley High School, which just opened up this past year. Here's another trail we did in Wilder Ranch this year. This is the West Engelsman reroute. But yeah, I want to talk to you guys specifically about the work we've done in city parks this year. We've done a lot of work. We've been working in city parks since 2012 with, sorry about that, with Emma McCurry Trail being our first project. And since then we've done more and more maintenance and new trail construction every year. So you guys have the full reports in front of you, which go into a lot of detail about the specific projects. I'll just give a kind of a best of and a high level overview here and show you guys some pictures and some video. Last year we had 204 unique volunteers come out doing almost 1200 hours of volunteer work. We had 375 hours of our staff time contributed to that work and $14,000 in direct cost MVOC. Some of our work is funded by the city. A lot of it's funded by sponsors as well. So we put in $14,000 on top of all that, all those contributions towards maintenance of city trails and pump tracks. So we maintain both of the city's pump tracks on the west side and at Harvey West. We built the Harvey West pump track a couple of years ago. So we have staff members go out there a couple of times a month and lead volunteer work there to keep those in good condition. We've worked with Parks and Rec and the Earth Stewards Program, which is a partnership between the Museum of Natural History and Parks and Rec, where they have high school students from Ponderosa High come out every Friday to do service projects and we jump in there a few times a year to help out leading trail work days. This is another picture of some trail work that happened on Yukon last year. We've been working on the Yukon Trail for years and years, but this last year we finally got that into the city's Adopta Park Program where we've adopted that trail in partnership with Specialized Bicycles and they contribute $5,000 every year directly towards the upkeep and maintenance of that trail. So the city is no longer paying for that cost. Specialized is paying directly for that. So keeping that trail in tip-top shape. We've done a ton of work at Dale of the Aega over the past year. We've had a couple of our big volunteer events, which we call dig days out there. We had our students dig day, which I'll show you some more about in a minute. We also had a group of volunteers who worked out there every Wednesday after work over the summer to do all the brush work and do some trail repairs there to be able to keep those trails in good condition. I'll show you guys the video real quick here. This is our student dig day at Dale of the Aega last spring, or winter or other. I'm also an environmental studies student at UCSC. We're out here at Dale of the Aega Park doing some trail work. Today we're going to be working on drainage and brushing some trails, so it'll be good to maintain these trails we use. Yeah, it's good. It's great at Curby. Hi, I got a good shepherd and I'm in seventh grade. I like riding bikes with my friends and working on trails. We've got a whole lot more fun than I thought it would be. Biggest dig day. We got to make from Santa Cruz. I forgot how to get out of this window, but that just gives you a feel for what our volunteer events are like. We do about 10 of those every year in various parks around the county, usually three or four in city parks. We've done one doing a McCurry trail on Dale of the Aega as well. We had our first ever pump track jam event at Harvey West a few months ago. It was a fundraiser for the maintenance of that park, and we had all-ages competition. We had the little kids out there on those strider bikes. Then we had professional riders as well. As you can see here in the picture, during the high jump contest, it was a great event. It was a part of the parks and rec. Forget what the event was called. Sorry, what's the word? The whole park was activated. There was events happening at the swimming pool and all parts of the parks. It was a great attraction. We did a lot of work at Arana Gulch over the last two years. There's some eroded sections of the trail there that we've improved. This is with the Summer Youth Trails Program. We also rerouted the Pogonip Creek Nature Loop this last year. So there was a section of that trail that was really falling apart. It was a great experience. We do a training program for our volunteers every year, and we use this project to train them about trail construction, trail maintenance, volunteer leadership, so we're able to complete that project just through that training program. We also replaced the failing bridge there. There was a very rickety old bridge that we rebuilt with the youth program as well. We do a women's dig day every year. It's been on Emma McCurry trail for the last couple of years. We've been really well attended. It's been pretty hard and people still showed up and had a good time. So that was a fun time out there. One more quick video to show you. Well, this is the first year that we took the step to partner with Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz with the Summer Youth Trails Program because the goal for me was to bring in a little more focused skill set on trail maintenance and trail design and concept of trails and building sustainable trails. The funding was identified available by the Council in 2014 and it was a separate program along with the Summer Intern Program which are two programs where we wanted to focus on our community's youth. We've been asked to reduce our funding in certain areas but those two programs have continued to be fully funded by the Council and they do continue to see it as a priority to invest in our youth. So Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz we're a 501c3 nonprofit initiative organization. The goal is to continue to provide meaningful work for the kids to do in some time and make sure it's worthwhile for the city as well that we're tackling projects that are high priority. So that's the goal and I think there will be opportunities to continue to grow the program. We'd like to get more kids involved. I'm Jacob Hyde. I am a trail specialist for Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz. You know, we're trying to get new trails built and that type on the youth program but we're also trying to teach the kids about real life jobs so it's you know, teaching the kids about trail and having them outdoors and working in good work ethic but it's also about just general kind of like moving forward in life like out of high school. I've learned to just pay attention to detail and just like specific tricks on how to do certain things like invasive player removal like there's certain ways to do it so it's definitely opened my opportunities up to side work so I've acquired a bunch of skills you know to the point where I can go and work on my own for people. It's excellent. Sorry about that. Yeah, so we've been involved with that program for several years now. We're looking forward to doing it again this coming summer. It's been a great collaboration. So what's next for this partnership between MBOC and the city department of Parks and Rec. We'll keep on doing all this great work and hopefully do more and more of it. We're investing in training more volunteers so they can take on leadership roles as well so they can expand our reach in parks. We're planning our dig day season for the coming year as well. We're excited for the summer youth trails program next year and we're just happy to help continuing to help the city evaluate trail maintenance and reconstruction needs as needed. We do have an exciting new project that we're planning for this year which is the rebuild of the west side pump track. We're going to upgrade that pump track to the new trend is to have asphalt pump tracks. They hold up much better. They don't require any water. There's very little maintenance requirements so we are finishing up the plans for that with Parks and Rec right now and actively fundraising for that and plan to rebuild that this fall. So we're looking forward to that. So thank you for having me here today. I'm happy to answer any questions and yeah. Thank you ma'am. Thank you for the presentation. We're running a little bit behind on time here today but we'll go ahead and see if there's any urgent questions from the council but thank you for highlighting your work and the volunteerism and the partnership with the city and if council members also have questions for you or want to connect they can do so after the meeting as well. Any urgent questions? There's no public comment on presentations. Go ahead. Super quick. You guys do great work and these are wonderful videos. Do we link on these as Tony to our Parks and Rec website? I mean it seems like it's a good way to just take these these are very engaging so just suggestion. I just want to recognize your work and just make sure our community knows that really without this partnership many of our trails would continue to decline and so the partnership and the volunteer and the training of the youth is just fabulous and we also get to hike on beautiful trails so thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Last but certainly not least our presenter is Tiffany Weiswest who is our sustainability and climate action manager and she'll be presenting on resilient coasts an update. Thank you Mayor. Good afternoon council members and Mayor Tiffany Weiswest sustainability and climate action manager for the city of Santa Cruz. So yes we are now six months into the resilient coast Santa Cruz initiative and I am delighted to give you an update on the progress of those projects. We are well on our way in on track just to remind you why a couple slides as to why we're doing this project we have the need to address a variety of things pertaining to our coastline as you can see on the left hand side box everything from access to transportation to sense of place culture identity and equity and while we're addressing those we're also trying to create an inclusive conversation which will together create a community vision for resilient coastal management that of course is a long-term solution and provides equitable access to the coastline. So there are two projects with this one goal of this kind of united vision community vision there's the west cliff drive adaptation and management plan and then the other project we just call our beaches project because it's a mouthful but it's development of local coastal programs sea level rise strategies and policies to support beach and public access protection so west cliff drive is really looking at the bluff top locations and the beaches projects really looking at the beaches namely sea bright main cow the pocket beaches on west cliff natural bridges and again why are we doing these projects well first of all they were called out in our climate adaptation plan that was adopted in October of 2018 but these series of images that I'm going to be showing these next two slides really illustrate the compelling reason sea level rise is exacerbating erosion and coastal storms in flooding and so forth as in addition to the rising tide so you can see top from the top to the bottom this is kind of a typical profile of west cliff drive where we have riprap also known as revetment as it's noted here those big boulders some of those boulders are up to five tons believe it or not they're protecting our bluff top location that has nice habitat our bike ped path as well as two ways two lanes of traffic as you continue out through time and you look at the center image you see that that ripraps become displaced it's no longer providing the protection that it's supposed to be providing and we potentially will have erosion of the bluff most notably the habitat that is adjacent to the riprap and potentially impacting our bike ped path so this is again this is like a do nothing scenario if we did nothing and in the lower right hand corner then we see what happens our pocket beach get squeezed out we no longer have a pocket beach our ripraps no longer functioning and we have potential erosion into west cliff drive we've already seen that erosion to our path it's happening and then in terms of our beaches same kind of sequence of evolution of coastal change we see in the left hand corner we have dense development backing our beach this is in this case main beach with a small seawall as you continue down lower you see that the intertidal and subtitle zones are encroaching on the beach we're losing some sand and eventually as you see in the bottom photo we will no longer have a beach and we could see overtopping of that seawall at main beach so these really are driving this conversation around what are we going to do and developing this community vision we are taking this unique approach it's called adaptation pathways and this is something where we identify could be physical or other kinds of triggers that have specific thresholds and at those thresholds we do the next sequence of whether it's planning or implementation this is an example visualization from imperial beach where you can see the trigger across the top is depth of sea level rise from 0 to 6.6 feet in this case and you can see along the left hand side the various types of adaptation strategies that have been called for and as you continue through time you get to 1.6 feet of sea level rise no longer is the existing armoring going to work at that point should have been replaced and they should begin planning for sediment management and retrofitting stormwater pumps the benefit of this kind of approach is that we do not lock in investments too soon or too late but whereas we only do those investments when we need to based on these kinds of triggers and here are a number of different kinds of triggers we're considering right now you can see they span temporal in terms of a specific time home rallies in I've already mentioned depth of sea level rise it could be repetitive losses and so forth and so this is something that we're actively working on right now and are developing our own visualizations to really enable the lay person to just look at okay I understand what we're doing this is this is clear okay and we did begin this project about in April we really kicked off and had all the contracts in June so we are well into this project the first phase that we're just finishing up now is benchmarking and data collection we'll be going into the second phase closer to the end of the year where we'll begin analyzing and identifying feasible adaptation options and then milestone three that really gets started next year is developing the plans and policies that we actually want to implement as a community that are both technically feasible and every stretch of the way we are checking back with the community that's what these red stars mean and I'm going to share a lot more about community outreach with you in a moment because this is crucially important for this project so West Cliff Drive funded by Caltrans we have a $44,000 match we've spent a $140,000 to date on this grant and $31,000 in match right now we are in the process of reviewing deliverable number one quite an extensive existing conditions inventory and future hazard projections so getting a little more specific than the existing modeling that's out there that is really too large of a scale for us to use for the West Cliff Drive project that will be finalized by the end of the year and then we will go ahead and turn into our next deliverable which again is identifying those adaptation alternatives that are feasible and checking into the community and so forth we do have a 17 person technical advisory committee for this project and the beaches project Vice Mayor Cummings and Council Member Myers are on that technical advisory committee along with a number of other community experts and residents the beaches project is funded by the coastal commission with some supplemental funding from the American Geophysicist Union we have an $82,000 match $8,000 cash and the rest is labor we also are delivering currently I'm sorry reviewing right now deliverable number one which is the policy and strategy analysis we will then be turning into our socially vulnerable populations impact analysis and I'll share with you how we're connected with the community on that and then again getting into the adaptation strategies so the scopes of work are somewhat similar on both these projects and we really have benefited from aligning the public outreach together on these projects as well as the TAC involvement in terms of community outreach we've really just finished up the first part of our outreach where we have completed our community visioning we've introduced the project begun to build some relationships and as you can see there are a number of other touch points with the community I'm going to share more about that in a moment one thing I failed to mention are the consultants on these projects so Dave Revell, Revell Coastal is leading the West Cliff Drive project we have Charles Lester, Central Coast Wetlands Group Gary Griggs, Harkasunich Associates Farron Peers Groundsville Coastal Ecology and Middlebury Institute on the Economics so it's quite an all-star team that very same team is being led by Ross Clark and Central Coast Wetlands Group on the beaches projects we have a lot of alignment between who's working on this as well we're really fortunate it's a really expert team this is the outreach we've been doing we really have been doing an all out strategy you can see the top line is the outreach that we've completed to date we had talked with over 200 people at open streets although they estimate 10,000 were there we know 2000 came by our booth because the number of stickers we put out we completed eight focus groups include one with underrepresented groups who were also included in two of the mixed groups we've conducted 600 West Cliff Drive surveys looking at questions like willingness to pay trying to get a value for coastal tourism and how that could be impacted by any of our adaptations we've conducted 105 interviews in the beach flats and lower ocean area really diving in a little deeper on how how flooding is occurring how that's changed over time and trying to make that connection with sea level rise and we've done over 30 talks in the community we are turning into our next phase in the near term with some one-on-one meetings in December with underrepresented groups again getting into kind of the socially vulnerable communities how would they be impacted really trying to engage them and helping us to develop the methodology and tell us how they think this should be done I know you all have received an invitation our virtual reality app is launching this weekend I'll share more on that in just a moment and we'll be having two community workshops and then we'll talk about that later on you know we have identified at least 57 potentially affected interest groups in this project that we have committed to making an individual touch point with every single one of them and are very far along on that we have over 200 people on our email list and that continues to grow we've worked very closely with beach flats community leaders on developing this really tailored outreach for those communities and we have four academic partnerships one with the UCSC coastal science and policy grad program on the focus groups they helped us develop those facilitate them and are now turning to doing a quantitative statistical analysis of the data we have partnered with San Jose State University for the beach flats and lower ocean work and Santa Clara University is doing an erosion study that we're feeding into and taking the outputs from so that's specifically called out also in our beaches project in terms of what are people saying so when we entered into this first phase of outreach we really wanted to build relationships give understanding of what the project scopes are and start to have a conversation about coastal values priorities concerns and uses so one of the questions that we asked are we use some kind of dot activities what are your top coastal concerns what you see almost unanimously across all of our focus groups were erosion and transportation and transportation in a lot of different flavors so that was very interesting we also asked what's the best thing about West Cliff Drive interestingly transportation the bike pad path is one of the best things that were cited as well as scenic views and access to or watching surfing we asked this question in one word what does resilience mean to you this is a little guy looking at our adaptation plan at open streets which we just thought was so cool and these are the universe of words that folks both at open streets and our focus groups have said so we really see that folks are engaged in this process in terms of the VR that's coming up I'm super excited about this this is these are some of the panels that are going to be accompanying our virtual reality headsets here's our fire chief and emergency operations manager at the recent disaster event at the civic where we debuted a kind of beta version of our VR this is very immersive experience that shows what we're projecting in terms of coastal storm flooding and erosion and it starts to build in solutions we're really fortunate to work with Gary Griggs did the narration for the English language version and Ernestina Saldano voice to the Spanish so it will be available in English and Spanish and it will be at the downtown library in a feature exhibit at the front of the library between November 18th and February 18th so again we really think that this has the potential to reach a lot of people it will be out as a mobile phone app in both Spanish and English after the first of the year in its next phase and then last we also are using another creative way to reach people we've been playing our card game that we developed with rink on car called cards against catastrophe in the community really giving people a feel for the trade-offs and the decision making and climate action planning and resilience planning and that's been I've been getting a lot of good feedback about that everything that we've been doing we've been putting on our website so summaries of focus groups we've been going back to the folks that we talked to and say is this did we capture this correctly and correct whatever we didn't hear correctly and post that at our website you'll be able to find this slide deck and many other things including our outreach materials at our website so our next step is identifying feasible solutions for the community to consider and I will be back to report to you after the first of the year on that I'm happy to take any questions you might have on these projects wow well thank you so much for your presentation you're welcome and this is very important work and we look forward to hearing about the updates along the way so we're really grateful to have you here Tiffany in doing this work any brief comments or questions from the council Vice Mayor Cummings I just want to say thanks for all the hard work you're doing on this because it's something that people really care about in the community and have been having conversations with folks and making them aware that we are actually working on this how we're going to preserve west cliff and what sea level rise is going to look like in coastal erosion the one question I did have and I think members of the community might be interested is what day and time is the kickoff to the virtual reality session the virtual reality is going to open we're having a soft launch this Sunday but it officially opens when the library opens on Monday the 18th yeah and just to respond to your comment we hear that very often people are saying we're so glad the city's thinking about this and doing something about it we had no idea that the city was thinking about this so that's great it's also given us the opportunity to hand out the little reverse 911 sign up cards that the police department and fire department has so that people can get alerts for flooding on their phone and so forth so we're really trying to kind of double up on things where we can and achieve some efficiency and making sure people are personally prepared as well I think you should have a superwoman logo on you but Tiffany can talk about reaching out to groups but I heard her present maybe a few months ago to a chamber community affairs committee they were so engaged so impressed and so with the program and so it's the acute interest in this is absolutely across the spectrum and the thoughtfulness and scientific validity of what we're doing is impressive and will help us get to the decisions we need to make thank you for saying that and I should say I'm not doing this alone I have a grad student who's working with me and I have a team of five to ten interns at any one time we could not do all those surveys and interviews without those folks so I'm really grateful for them to them Councilmember Brown colleagues comments and add that I really appreciate the efforts made in the beach flats and lower ocean neighborhoods where the impacts of sea level rise will be really strongly felt and I know that that's a concern and there's a lot of worry and not necessarily understanding about what that might mean and so I appreciate that that's happening and kind of using the scientific study and all of that knowledge and translating that into language and kind of way of addressing the topic in a way that's understandable and people can really engage with is so important and so thank you for all of your work and thanks to your team thank you here here councilmember yeah I just want to recognize your work and just your continual commitment to really just be a leader you've brought the city to a place of real prominence I think in this subject matter I just hear from colleagues around the state they're excited about what you're doing I think specifically with this tie in with our beaches and our recreation area is really it hits people we're literally at home because they use these areas all the time and so to the vice mayor coming point if you spend any time out on west cliff or other places you see the effects of the erosion and so people are really relieved to know that we are participating and doing this kind of cutting edge work so thank you you're welcome thank you Tiffany I'm glad folks are chiming in I'm not going to repeat what they've said but this is like an overwhelming for a lot of people most people as you know both of us being up in environmental studies and seeing all the information constantly coming into us over the years but thank you for taking the lead on this and for continuing to show up and I just urge you to keep the council informed on stuff that takes place changes and everything as soon as possible thanks you're welcome thank you very much right so that then concludes our presentations for this afternoon's agenda I have a few announcements and then we'll move on to our regular meeting so today's meeting is being broadcast live on community television channel 25 and is streaming on the city's website at thecityofsanacruz.com our rules of decorum are on the window edge to my left and it's my job as the mayor to keep the meeting running without disruption and we ask that you respect your fellow citizens when you are inside and outside of our council chambers I'll go ahead and ask if there are any statements of disqualifications today from council members item c none I'll go ahead and see if our clerk has any additions or deletions to our council meeting agenda yes we have two department pulled items from consent number 12 which is the purchase of tasers and associated licenses and number 17 the purchase of two new pieces of heavy equipment so we have item number 12 that is being pulled on our consent agenda by staff as well as item number 17 which is being pulled by our consent agenda by staff so those items will not be heard or discussed they'll be postponed to another meeting okay thank you very much okay I'll go ahead and share briefly that oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community to speak to us on items that are not on today's agenda oral communications will occur at or around 7pm this evening I'll go ahead and look to our city attorney at this time to report out on closed session thank you mayor Watkins members of the city council this afternoon the council convened in closed session at approximately 1pm in the courtyard conference room before going into closed session the council added as a subsequent need item one item of consideration of initiation of litigation circumstances that gave rise to the need occurred after the posting of the agenda and the council determined that there was a need to take action on that item or to discuss potentially taking action prior to the next regular meeting that was a motion adopted unanimously council also heard three liability claims the claims of Roman Felix James Giannopoulos and Donia Maria those are also listed on your open session agenda as item 11 I will be requesting as part of your consideration of the consent calendar that you remove the claim of James Giannopoulos and take no action on it at this time the claim will likely return to the council in the future meeting lastly there were two performance evaluations on the closed session agenda of the city attorney and city manager there was no reportable action thank you we have now an opportunity for our council members to report out on any external boards committees or joint powers authority meetings that they have been attending on behalf of their role here as city council member we had a specific request to hear a report back on some of the work that the vice mayor and myself have been doing in regards to a sort of a matrix flow chart for agendizing items we'll go ahead and share a report at this time on that but we'll go ahead and reserve that after we hear from the colleagues so I'll start to my left council member Brown thank you so the regional transportation commission was established in the 17th in Watsonville and at that time the RTC adopted its public participation plan a final participation plan for 2019 and this is something that we're required to do by state and federal law under our authority to establish the process but I just want to highlight that the RTC staff spent a considerable amount of time and will provide opportunities for the public to engage in programming and project implementation for the RTC including development of our 2045 Santa Cruz County regional transportation plan it seems like a long way off but transportation planning as we know takes these are long term projects very large scale long term projects so we're getting started in that process I encourage the public to check out the Santa Cruz regional transportation commission website for further information on opportunities to participate we also did approve some just for your all of your information moving forward on some repairs related to the Santa Cruz branch rail line particularly in the south county area where major disruptions occurred during the 2017 winter storms and kind of ongoing so that is going to be a major undertaking to make the line the whole line usable in the future and so we're moving ahead on that so as we new segments come online can keep moving forward and I think that's all I have the revenue subcommittee met again we don't know that we have any major updates report to come report to come and same with the high health and all policies report to come on the measure you implementation group which is the city county partnership regarding lobbying around UCSC growth impacts there was as I think you know a proposal to hire a part time organizer that has been on hold for a while but I do want to point out that UCSC is holding some community and campus meetings regarding their long range development plan two of them on Monday December 2nd will be held in the city of Santa Cruz one at the lunch hour one in the evening so I'll give these a city clerk maybe these could go on our they're certainly relevant to the city so maybe those can go on our council or the city calendar the mid county groundwater agency which I've reported on in the past is achieving a major milestone the board will be asked to approve and I believe will approve the groundwater sustainability plan for the whole mid county groundwater basin that was prepared under state mandate that will be adopted at the end of this year and it was due by the end of January 2020 and we are ahead of schedule and it has been brilliant so that's been a great committee to work on regarding the downtown management corporation a couple of things our downtown businesses participate in the think small promotion that happens I think it's November 20th kind of kicks off the holiday season and that's in partnership with the county economic development staff and agency also we met some council members and staff met with people at the county regarding a possible program for livening up some of the vacant windows downtown so that we have some combination of pop ups, art whatever just to get some interest in the pedestrian level so I think that's on a fast track low budget get it done and interested on the part of the merchants to take a real role in that as well visit Santa Cruz county some of the points of interest the tourism income reached a billion dollars this year in the county so that's significant the policy at the hotels is softening we got a report on that the visit Santa Cruz county has launched a new initiative they adopted direction for two new marketing initiatives about a year ago one was for heritage tourism that's been initiated very well received and they are gearing up for an LGBTQ initiative they'll launch in January they've been doing a lot of training and comparing with what other communities do and that we expect to also be very well received council member browne thanks I just one other item that I overlooked but wanted to highlight is the so I'm on the area agency on aging council and the and our director has been really actively engaged I mean one of the kind of most engaged in our team in Santa Cruz in the work that happens in Sacramento and so I want to publicly acknowledge Clay Kent for that work and also let you all know that the state is now undertaking a master plan on aging and so most of the meetings that are the public meetings that are happening are in Sacramento but there is an opportunity for public engagement so if folks are interested that information the draft master plan is available and you can go to the California State Department of Health and Human Services website to go to a link to either read it and review it and also make comments and learn more about other opportunities for engagement this is a really critical issue the goal and the governor and the legislature have made very public that they're interested in producing a plan that really envisions an age friendly California and increase the diversity the number and diversity of older adults and families and opportunities for quality of life enhancements and other projects to acknowledge that we are an age friendly community and an age friendly state thanks for sharing Vice Mayor Cummings so it was last week the downtown library subcommittee met and we discussed kind of next steps with I think we all agreed in order to make a decision about the library and where we're headed with that we'll have a cost assessment kind of design of what a renovation of the current library would look like but I think many of us felt that we would also need an update on what a mixed use structure would look like since that's something that other folks in the communities are interested in so we're looking into trying to find a contractor who can give us what the cost would be for that and what that would look like so that's forthcoming December 13th we don't have the time set officially yet but Jason Arctic Protect will be providing their final report to us on what the cost would be associated with the remodel so we'll have those times on site so that if people want to come to that it will be public there won't be public comment but the public will be able to come and see the presentation and that will be similar to the previous presentation that Jason Architect provided on what the design would look like in addition to that LaFCO the last meeting of the commission unanimously approved the draft service review and staff recommendations for midpen regional open space district the commission unanimously approved the multi-year work plan and the commission unanimously approved the meeting scheduled for the next year and the meeting times will change LaFCO meetings will now be at 9am and the next meeting for LaFCO is going to be January 8th at 9am and I think that's all I have to report maybe I'll just go ahead and we can go ahead and weigh in together on the other items so at the retreat when we were discussing the work plan the vice mayor and myself signed up to take a look at how the agendizing process flows and recognizing there's areas for improvement for everybody and looking forward to having some consistency in expectation on how you get things on the agenda or what that flow would look like so we're working with our interim city manager Laura on a flow chart and essentially looking at sort of the types of coming forward how it will move forward in terms of urgency workflow time of staff to work on the item and then how it would be moving towards a larger kind of broader initiative which would require more than eight hours of work which is essentially consistent with the council policy at this time but more consistency on the criteria essentially of understanding of the types of items forward and so what we're doing is trying to have that consolidated into a consistent kind of approach and protocol that would then go to inform updating our council policy handbook so that we have a better process in place I mean, I'll see if the vice mayor has anything he wants to add to that but it should be coming soon. I think that's a great summary where we've been at and what we've been working on with regards to the agenda so hopefully we'll be able to repair some of the areas where it feels that there isn't consistency or transparency. Thanks, good to hear about the progress on it. Just a little wavery on the timeline soon is kind of subjective so do you have like a specific timeline associated with it because I know that myself and two other council members submitted a gender report to try and get this on an actionable discussion item on the city council agenda for the reason that there wasn't a very clear timeline associated within a lack of information so do you have any timeline associated with it and we can expect to see that report and have it come back for action? Not, I mean, I likely within the next couple of months but it depends on the items that are also on the agenda but ideally it wouldn't require a lot to get on there so if all goes as plans depending on how the agendas open up we'll hopefully have in the next couple of months. Thank you. It's kind of tangentially related to this because we all realize that a new demand for dealing with something displaces some other activity and I wonder if we could just, it doesn't need to be an agenda item we get just kind of report on where we are in city staffing because I think now we're short a planner and I don't need the answer now but I mean we recently had a report on staffing in the police department and I'm aware of some gaps so that would just be helpful. I think the process is intended also to incorporate some of that discussion as part of items coming up and how they relate to the work plan as well. I didn't see the agenda item that Council Member Brown, Council Member Glover and myself put forward talking about agenda review process what you just explained was not really related to some of the issues that we spoke about in our agenda report and I'd still like to see that report appear on our agenda at the next meeting or first meeting in December. There was many other issues involved in what was just reported on. I would just say that you know I think that as we're kind of working on this process if there are recommendations from other members of the City Council with regards to and putting items on the agenda that you know we recommend that you provide those to us so we can incorporate your feedback into this because personally I think that having two separate committees working on a similar item really doesn't make a whole lot of sense but I think that if Council Members have recommendations that they would like to see incorporated into this process that we can incorporate those and continue to work on that as we develop this agenda review process so that would be my recommendation for our colleagues that everybody agreed when we established this committee that it would be comprised of myself and the Mayor so if there are concerns that my colleagues have I would just encourage you all to send us information so that we can incorporate it into this process. And essentially I'll just also add that that was essentially the response that I had to the agenda report that since this work was already happening that the information that was provided by the colleagues that wanted to bring that would be incorporated into our next meeting agenda for consideration. Council Member Glover. Thank you. My concern is just the process and how out of the public eye that it is. This was the first that we have heard about a report back and that is only because we submitted an agenda item to be on the agenda. It also is very indicative of the problem that there will maintain an issue of agenda building according to your timeline months as opposed to being able to move and have any kind of representation or community involvement in that process for months. So I will just echo my concern from before the timeline is very loose and there's no accountability really associated with it and in those months leading up to that it will still have this problem of certain council members feeling like their agenda items are not being prioritized or taken in consideration with the urgency even if they're co-signed by two other council members. So there's a lot of problems associated with that. It's a much larger issue so I would encourage that timeline to be sped up and especially what you mentioned in your report about there being a limitation on staff time to be able to apply it for those in the community that don't know, for a staff member to invest more than eight hours on any specific project that needs direction from the council. So to not agendize the conversation but then to cite the need for additional staff hours as one of your re-evaluation and an actual discussion and conversation like was originally requested then we would have had the opportunity to provide that direction to staff and then giving you that extra staff hours in which you could work through it. So the reasoning doesn't make any sense, the timeline doesn't make any sense and it really is worrisome to me because there are council members here that feel like their issues are not being addressed. I have one additional report back that we met last Friday and essentially there was just sort of a review from the various jurisdictions on some of the progress they're making on housing and some of the updates that they had for us to kind of hear about as well as an update from LAFCO and then lastly I shared that the City of Santa Cruz was supporting the Santa Cruz County Civic Summit as a co-sponsor and encourage the other jurisdictions to do so as well if they were available any little bit would help and it's essentially looking at how we can get our youth involved in the democratic process as well as understand sort of the work of the local elected official and that's going to be happening countywide in January and was proud that the City Council and the City of Santa Cruz offered co-sponsorship and I'm hopeful that the other jurisdictions may as well. Additionally the upcoming meeting that I will be taking place until Thursday and then lastly the Health and All Policy Subcommittee will be returning with a proposal and recommendation soon and so that's all I have. I just have a couple of items let's see I'm on the finance and audit committee for the Santa Cruz Metro we did meet last week and we did pass the 10-year CIP unfunded CIP plan and also a revenue a revenue policy that will be coming to our board this coming Friday one item of interest in the work that we did as the finance committee is we continue to support and put forward $4 million for the Pacific Station project so that will be planning money that is utilized for Metro to continue to work with the city on developing a plan for the Pacific Station affordable housing and combined projects and so that's exciting news the other item I will quickly look at some of the other members have updated some of the items or some of the meetings I was the last one I'll update is next week to talk about further activities surrounding the water quality at Calis Beach we did premiere a short video regarding the work done to date that was shown at the Save the Waves surf movie festival last week at Patagonia several hundred people 200 people I think were there and so it was nice to see our work demonstrated with other stories from around the world with people working on protecting their beaches and water quality and working with communities to to provide clean water for people to enjoy I have asked Save the Waves they are planning to also come give us a similar review of the movie or the video and probably after the first of the year we'll get that scheduled then I think that's it for me Councillor McLeaver none of the committees I've been on have met since our last meeting when we did a report back but just a reminder to the community that our next Public Safety Committee meeting I believe is scheduled for December 2nd Councillor Peruzza our next community committee that it's called the CAG community advisory group it's going to meet again on December 19th but I thought it was instructive that the Chancellor reached out to staff and faculty in a public meeting and she talked about a few things that I thought were interesting we have more Pell Grant recipients who graduated in all other institutions in the United States which I thought was just a really great thing we have 70% of first year students 49% of this year's classes first generation students what the Chancellor stressed was in her own work with the university she wants to improve efficiency and align communication in the organization data informed decision making and I was really happy to hear that she wanted to talk about budget transparency and accountability because we know that UC has had some problems in that area she just mentioned not being caught up in litigation and really had no insight or when we might see some building on campus as far as new dorm space people brought up to her the issues of students sleeping in their vehicles and being ticketed for that she said that that is not in the plan to allow a safe parking area on campus for students and I was able to speak at the meeting I wasn't going to but when she talked about that I thought it really intersected with a city issue and I asked her to reconsider that and she said she would but that's within other committees and she'll take it up the staff the same thing as far as compensation for staff she's talking about staff turnover it's very constant and of course we all know that it's about rent and that's people paying 50 to 70% of their salaries in rent there's actually students and staff relying on food banks and students also getting EBT which used to be known as food stamps but I thought it was a really productive meeting she said that the strikes will continue because there's periodic strikes up there all the time and I know our police department works with the university police on that so that's like an expenditure that we do and it really screws up a lot of things on campus they happen like two to three times every quarter but that's all for that and we have our next CAD meeting December 19th just a couple of updates first with respect to the library joint powers authority a couple of items to note that the board has been discussing one is relates to the staffing model with the library system a couple of reasons that are driving that the fact that the current model is implemented during the recession and driven largely by the need to make a budget adjustments or a deficit that the library was facing and also with the new libraries that are coming online here pretty soon there's really a need to really look at that because some of the library branches are expanding in terms of size and capacity like for example the new Felton branch and even some of the Aptos branch and some of the other branches and so we're having conversations about developing a more appropriate model for the library that has implications on the budget which drives us to the second topic that we're discussing which is our financing agreement with the county which we have one that's been in place for approximately five years will expire pretty soon and we're in a place now where we need to really negotiate that and I think the conversations are going really well with the county our last agreement where the county sort of held back some of the library fund monies we're talking about really changing that back to we're all contributing in a proportionate and appropriate fashion so that it makes the library systems more sustainable so there's progress on that too so those are probably the two bigger issues that we're discussing at the library we had a meeting recently I think just to highlight there we had actually our own fire chief Jason Hayduk to a presentation on the South Bay management incident team and camera call with these discussed here but it's basically a team of volunteer primarily fire personnel but other personnel from Santa Clara county and Santa Cruz county who are available to create these response incident teams to jurisdictions or special districts or entities who face a major event so for example when Gilroy had that shooting incident the team was quickly put together and they make themselves available to provide any number of services that that particular jurisdiction or incident requires like in the case of Gilroy they help put together the communications function but they're available to any jurisdiction to basically assist and come in in whatever is needed so that's just a brand new really needed new resource that's being implemented in our county along with Santa Clara county that's it thank you very much and thanks to everyone for sharing the work you're doing outside of our meetings here on Tuesdays okay at this time we'll move along on our agenda so we have next on the agenda which is the council meeting calendar and this is a time for our clerk to provide any updates to our council meeting calendar if you have anything Council Member Myers I'd like to make a motion to add an item to one of our upcoming meetings so I'm putting the motion up here so I'd like to move to direct staff to contact the county to identify immediate winners shelter opportunities with availability identified by date certain and to bring revisions of the camping as appropriate to provide an enforceable mechanism for addressing nuisance conditions on public property in a matter that is consistent with the night circuit court opinion in Martin versus Boise I'll second that we have a motion by Council Member Myers seconded by Council Member Brown my understanding is this is an item that stemmed from an earlier item that was brought to our attention in a closed session to be on the next council meeting agenda is that correct? I believe as soon as possible we'll make it happen okay so we have a motion by Council Member Myers seconded by Council Member Brown I'm just assuming that there will be a discussion included implicit in the motion is a discussion of what's going on with Camp Ross right now or Camp Ross 2 we've had a lot of people writing and calling us very briefly I think that's inevitable okay but also I just need to admonish the council that because this is not on your agenda for today you can't have a discussion about it it's just for the agenda you really just need to call the question but fair enough to say that I think is on everybody's minds and part of the discussion thank you for that so the motion would be to direct staff to agendize these and with this language agendize this for the purposes of this context under our council meeting calendar item Council Member Glover would that open up the conversation for other winter shelter options that could be enacted by the city during this agenda item or would that have to be a separate agenda item that would be used to winter shelter instead of just pressuring the county I interpret winter shelter opportunities to not just mean those identified by the county okay and then and you said that the conversation of the encampment behind the Gateway Plaza is implicit in this motion or it should be added specifically in this motion I've gotten to the point where I'm kind of nervous about implicit or implicit I would appreciate it if we could add language in there specifically to address the growing encampment behind the Gateway Plaza shopping center is that appropriate at this time Mr. Cundady in terms of the friendly amendment right without any discussion this is a very unusual circumstance that's how I feel about it I would suggest that you vote on the motion and there may be a subsequent motion after your interpretation of it being implicitly possible for a discussion to ensue at that time okay all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed okay that passes unanimously Council Member Glover yeah I'd like to make a motion to agendize for discussion and action the growing encampment behind Ross and the city's participation in supporting its success or whatever you want just discussing it I guess is there a second okay Council Member Kern Mr. do you have something you want to add I just want to add that we just for your information we did put out a statement on just right now on the status of the Ross encampment so that we can inform the community on where we're at with that and we'll continue to do that to provide information on that Council Member Mathews and then Council Member Brown obviously the Ross encampment is on everybody's mind but is not by any means the only growing encampment in the city limits there's Pogo Nip, there's Coral Street comes and goes all over the city we're getting complaints so I think we need to deal with the bigger issue and not just the Ross camp I don't I don't think so before we get into a discussion on this topic I think we've already kind of voted to agendize this as a topic that I think can encompass what the next motion this motion is about to come back ideally the next meeting in November Council Member Brown well I am interested in having that conversation as well so if the if this is about inclusion of a discussion about the Ross camp in that agenda item I would support that if your interest is simply in making it explicit so moved so the clarifying language is that the interest in learning about any updates around the Ross encampment would be included in the item that is was voted on prior to this now motion for the 26th the 26th correct Mr. Mr. Condani yeah okay without further discussion all those in favor please say aye aye I did I brought up the point of discussing the encampments that are occurring throughout the city I think it's fair to assume that in discussing an ordinance and winter shelter opportunities part of that discussion will have to at least be with the thought kept in mind that we have the unorganized homeless encampments interspersed throughout the city and that the situation seems to be becoming more and more visible so I think it's implicit that the council will have an opportunity to discuss not just the Ross encampment but others as well including the one on the other side of Highway 9 so the purposes of how we are right now for this meeting calendar agenda item without getting into discussion how would we proceed under the Brown Act in terms of is that just noted for consensus by the council I think the motion's been made and I believe it's been adopted okay any further comment any opposing okay so that was adopted unanimously okay alright thank you so first up is our consent agenda and we had items 12 pulled from the consent agenda we had items 17 pulled from the consent agenda and we had a recommendation from our city attorney's office to not incorporate the James right the item 11 does not need to be pulled but I would just request that subsection B that James Jeanopoulos claim be removed from the agenda okay so that's noted so only items 12 and 17 have been pulled okay so our consent agenda items are 6 through 16 now with item 12 omitted is there any member of the community wanting to address the council on our consent agenda items I see none are there any council members who wish to speak to the consent agenda Council Member Glover I would like to pull item 6 Council Member Mathews I have a couple of comments on 7 and 10 I don't need to pull them but I would like to make the comments okay any other items to be pulled Council Member Glover I just want to make a comment on 16 okay Council Member Brown I have a question on number 13 okay so we have item 6 pulled from the consent agenda I jumped the gun on the community public comment portion is there any member of the community who wants to address on either item 6 or any of our consent agenda items at this time item 6 or the consent agenda is at large 6 will pull 6 will deal with separately so you're not speaking to item 6 oh yes I thought you were asking if I wanted to speak to that okay why don't we go ahead and take that later okay we'll get you in a second okay so we had a question on item 7 is that correct that was me that was the minutes of the last meeting and it had to do with an item it's on our page 7 dash or hyphen 20 a family amendment this is the public hearing on 190 west cliff and it was having to do with being explicit about the affordable units pursuing a preference for those who live and that reads who live and work and a cruise but my intention and the way it actually goes on the tape is who live or work and that's a pretty important distinction so I talked with the clerk about that so if we can just when we make the motion incorporate that correction that'll be fine and is there any before we move on is there any objection to that change thank you for catching that okay go right ahead and then regarding item 10 just setting the dates for the annual advisory body interviews appointments and reappointments I do notice that there's an appointment for my appointee to the cpva w and I got a communication from my appointee lila kramer there been some just speculations out there about the motivation for her submitting her resignation and she did write to me and I told her I would read this and this has to do with the vacancy so I'm reading now her comment thank you so much for your understanding I'm disappointed more disappointed than anyone about not completing my full term on the commission you're right that I was reluctant to step down as I strongly believe in cpva w's mission and the work we are doing I submitted my letter of resignation from cpva w because my father has been in the hospital seven times this year and isn't doing well he's in palliative care and frequently in the hospital his ill health did not leave me with any available time to continue volunteering as vice chair on cpva w which is the only reason I tendered my resignation it was a very hard decision and not taken lightly so I wanted to share that with council members and the public thank you okay and then there was a question or did you have additional comments on item 16 and there's a question on item 13 13 yeah so this is for those who are watching an item on resolution to revising a resolution for a prior amendment to the general plan acknowledging our local hazard mitigation plan effective date and so I just the question that has been kind of on my mind is to try to get some and I know that the local coastal plan is something that the planning department has been working on for quite a while and is hoping to get finished as soon as possible and we keep giving you additional items which way lay the process so this is not any commentary on the the timing but I'm just wondering in as of now how is the how is this handled is when a coastal item is appealed what general plan applies when there is an item that's appealed I know this has come up as I read it where the local coastal plan is dependent on an outdated general plan so I'm just kind of wondering how you approach that if you could council I'm the planning director and that is correct the in the coastal zone the land use transportation diagram that is applied is from our prior general plan similarly there are a set of policies from our prior general plan that represent the local coastal plan component of our general plan and that reverts back to again portions of the prior general plan and not our general plan we have initiated an effort to update that and we've talked about that a number of times with the council I will say even with the many competing priorities this is something that is very important to the city in terms of getting the most up to date policies in place and the work that West was discussing earlier with the coastal resilience would be updating a portion of our local coastal program to address sea level rise policies in particular and coastal erosion and related topics our intended goal is to move those in parallel so that we can build on the work that has been done over the past few years and have those changes before the commission before the council and then if the council approves it then before the coastal commission at the same or very close timing the grant requires that it's done by the end of next year there's still a lot of work to be done particularly in terms of outreach and coordination with the coastal commission on our overall update certainly constraints in meeting that target but one that we're hoping to achieve thank you thank you is that answer your question? perfect last I have is a comment for item number 16 councilmember Glover yes great thank you good to see really appreciate the work that's being done in rejuvenating and restoring the revegetation work that's going on around some of the different projects associated with the water department so shout out to the water department making sure to revitalize and rejuvenate the locations I just want to make a statement on the record with regards to contracts moving forward I would just urge that we in all work plans of installing and doing revegetation work that is applicable to try and incorporate low income if possible unsheltered or unhoused folks to participate in that work if possible okay so I think that concludes the council comments questions in regards to our consent agenda items with item 12 and 17 being removed any further discussion? seeing none I'll entertain a motion at this time well I'll move the consent agenda I think six was also pulled so I'll move consent agenda with everything except 12 and 17 okay that's a motion by Council Member Matthews seconded by Council Member Myers that incorporates the modification that Mr. Kandadi brought up as well as Council Member Matthews and the correction to the minutes and item 17 I think did the clerk catch that all? okay great alright all those in favor please say aye any opposed that passes unanimously so we'll go ahead and revisit item number six which was pulled by Council Member Glover to go ahead and address this on that thank you so this has to do with the bail schedule associated with fines that are connected to citations that are given out I as the chair of the Public Safety Committee meeting was a little confused to see it on the agenda today because the motion that was given and the direction that was given to staff at the Public Safety Committee meeting was to have the city attorney consider the addition of a study session and the item that would take a broader look at the impact and enforcement of fees and fines on homeless and low-income individuals so it seems I just want to get a little clarity as to why we're voting on this now since we haven't had the opportunity for that more robust study session and or to solicit more community input or involvement associated with that also in the agenda report that was submitted with this item there is reference to the Finlandian model from Finland that has citations and fees associated with an individual's income so I would be interested in exploring that implementation of the bail schedule as well especially pertaining to some of the costs associated with the fines that are listed here which include $1,000 of failure to appear and looking at the analysis that has been put out I think it was in an email by the police chief in a response to a community member but looking at the amount of people that don't appear so the potential impact that could have on low-income folks could be rather large so I just wanted to get some clarity on that as to why we haven't had a study session before this came back before the council or if you could kind of enlighten me on that. Thank you. Fair question. This item is one that comes before the council on an annual basis in which we take a look at ordinances that the council has adopted over the prior year and in order for them to be enforceable we need to provide the court with an update to the bail schedule which lists the amount of the fine that is to be imposed by the court. If we don't have it in the bail schedule when a case comes before a judge the case will just be dismissed because they don't have guidance from the city on what the amount of the fine is. We did talk at the Public Safety Committee about having a broader discussion about the impact of enforcement of the municipal code generally on people who don't have adequate means and in my view that was a broader discussion that I didn't interpret the direction as having it precede council action on the bail schedule which is really sort of just a ministerial action on the part of the council. So I think having such a discussion is a great idea. As the report points out the Finlandia model has not been implemented in the United States and probably or we believe has potential vulnerabilities to a legal challenge on equal protection grounds under both the United States and state constitutions but that being said perfectly appropriate for the council to have a discussion in a workshop or whatever form the council prefers we just think that that is a discussion geared more towards a broader discussion of enforcement of the municipal code generally than it is the bail schedule. So that's how I interpreted the council direction and I apologize if I misinterpreted that. Council Member Glover and Council Member Myers. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Thank you. This is C. Attorney Kandadi. I think I as well as at least one other member of the committee was surprised to see it come back without it coming for a study session especially since that meeting took place on October 14th. So it seems like we could have if we wanted to potentially discuss structured some kind of a study session prior to this meeting of it coming back and I do want to acknowledge your statement of it just being a ministerial action which I totally understand. My concern there is that in moving forward and approving a ministerial action without adequate analysis of the impacts of people then in the interim after we passed the ministerial action those people that fall through the cracks in the meantime before we hit the study session and before we're able to adequately evaluate it to make sure that everyone is protected from disproportionate impact. So that's just my concern around here and I'm happy to make a motion for us to schedule or to prioritize a study session if that would give clear instruction or how would you like to approach that? Well, I think the council certainly has the prerogative of delving further into this question of enforcement and how we can effectively effectively enforce the rules that the council has prepared for a vast number of different issues and areas not all of which result in citations that are issued disproportionately to lower income or homeless individuals. So for us this is, you're right it's a housekeeping matter and I would just take direction from the council as to how to schedule that broader policy discussion. I would just remind the council that this is not the first time this item's been on the agenda I think it goes back to May or June. Thank you. All right, I would just say and then I know council member Myers has to, like one of the things that I see here is also the fact that we would then we now are adopting some new updates to some of our policies as you suggested for example the flavored tobacco. So I'd like to see this move forward I think adopting this now, correct? The courts would not be able to impose those fines for the vendors who are moving forward with selling flavored tobaccos products with our ordinance in place. Is that correct Mr. Kandadi? That's right. Okay, council member Myers. Yeah, I'll just reflect just as a member of the public safety committee. This is a ministerial action and there's many, many pieces to the bail schedule that have to do with other types of infractions and so I think it's important to move forward with what has become an annual update regarding schedules per new ordinances. I think that we also learned during the public safety committee discussion of this that the court does really consider quite extensively one's ability to actually pay these fines and so there's a pretty extensive program that the court does use with people who do come forward with hardship around doing the fines and so I think that there is programmatic approach to making sure people are able to continue to be successful without having these fines weighing them down or in conflict with their housing or employment or what other kinds of things that they're worried about. So I just want to make sure that that's publicly stated that there is ways that people can get relief from this but I think we're sort of falling out of the realm of the public safety task force or public safety committee when we're starting to move into homelessness and other issues or people who are lower income communities so I just, I hope we can get the bail schedule done and then I think maybe there's a larger strategic planning discussion about some of these other policy topics. I appreciate that, Mr. Condati. No, I think that was a great comment and it reminded me of a couple of things. First is that in many of the additions to the bail schedule that are presented here the fines are actually specified in the ordinance that the city council adopted so we're just taking the policy decision of the city council and implementing it into our schedule. The second point is that judges notwithstanding this technicality of having a bail schedule have broad discretion in imposing fines and penalties and if a person takes the time to appear in court and ask the court either for a payment plan which can be very manageable or a reduction in fine due to financial circumstances or the need to attend to a loved one or for work-related purposes, courts are very flexible and really do try to take that into consideration in imposing penalties. So the numbers that are listed here don't necessarily get applied by the court in every instance, particularly when someone takes the trouble to go to court and plead their case. The judicial discretion. Council Member Brown and then Vice Mayor Cummings and then Council Member Crown and then Council Member Glover. Yeah, so I was happy to hear that and it makes sense that the court does and they do consider hardship in paying fines. However, it is discretionary and I think it's worth pointing out that is discretionary and so that is up to individual judges. It's not necessarily programmatic. I like it to be. I would be interested in seeing if there's an additional conversation to be had with the court and maybe the Public Safety Committee could try to work on this to figure out what might be needed to consider an income-based fine method so that we can address those equity issues through some kind of means testing. I understand the concern about constitutionality, but if there's a way to do it, the report back is that they currently cannot do that and perhaps it's something that with some attention and commitment could be addressed. So I'd be interested in the Council, maybe the members of the Council who are most interested in this might pursue that. I also understand that this is a ministerial and cleanup item and so I am inclined to move forward on that today, but I don't want to leave it to just say, well, we'll consider the policy, kind of broader policy questions at a future date without some kind of commitment and I'm happy to work on an agenda item with other Council members to do that to bring it back, but I do want to not just say, well, we'll think about it later and then not go in that direction. I think it is a conversation that we ought to have. If I could just add a little bit more to that. I don't mean to take or make light at all of the circumstances that many people, lower income people, especially have with racking up fines that they're unable to pay and then having that be turned over to collections and we've read about not just in Santa Cruz, but in areas all over the country about what a vicious cycle that can become for people of lower or moderate income and how it really impairs their ability to function in society and so we take that very much to heart and partly as a result of the Public Safety Committee's discussion, I've begun to work with the Chief of Police on coming up with a program to try to rectify that situation in some way, whether it's an amnesty program or some other mechanism that we can use to help people get back on their feet if they are willing to step forward and take some reasonable measures themselves and so I don't have that in a digestible form yet because we've just started the discussion after the last Public Safety Committee meeting but I do hope to bring something along those lines forward in the coming year. It seems that it would be also really behoove us or you and your efforts to reach out to the courts to understand what they're doing, to understand what's available and then any potential partnership or gaps to be filled. We will be doing that and my Deputy City Attorney, Stephanie Duck, is here and she's been spending a lot of time in the courts lately and she's going to be part of that discussion and in part of the communication with the judges, public defenders and the District Attorney's Office so that we can hopefully have a productive discussion about how we can address some of these issues. Sounds like that will be forthcoming. Did you have additional comments to come? Vice Mayor? I'd just like to say that I agree with what my colleagues and the City Attorney are saying around trying to address this issue and look into it more and personally and I don't know how the members of the Public Safety Committee feel but I feel like that's a great forum for having these kinds of discussions and some reason why these types of committees exist for our community so that these discussions can be had by members of our City Council and they can bring back recommendations to us and so I really hope that something is able to be addressed in terms of kind of looking at our bail schedule and how it's set up and whether there are ways to see if we can make this something that isn't disproportionately negatively impacting low-income people. I do, however, looking through this, I've seen that there's a number of updates that I think that we really care about. We have violations for non-payment of relocation assistance for displaced tenants. I think that that's something that we want to see that if there's landlords out there who aren't providing relocation assistance to their tenants that they're held accountable. There's also having illegal short-term rentals. Additionally, as was mentioned earlier about tobacco, so I think that there are a number of things on here that it would be in our best interest and the community's best interest to update today and then we can continue working with the county to better understand how we can revise our bail schedule so that in the future we're maybe coming at it in a different way. So that's kind of why I'm feeling like we need to move this forward today and continue these conversations moving forward. President Wilkham. Thank you. Thank you for what you said, Tony, too. I appreciate that type of thought that you and the police chief are putting into it. I'm just wondering, looking at the thing, sometimes it says may be charged as infraction at discretion of city attorney. For example, that's 9.36.030. I'm just taking it as an example, and it's on page 6.3 of the staff report. So when it says 15075, is the 150 what the fine is and the 75 is the discretion of the city attorney or the 75 is a new fee? That is an addition. To just provide a little bit more background on this, the municipal code generally provides the city attorney with the discretion to charge any offense that is listed as a misdemeanor as an infraction. And so where we have maybe charged as an infraction at the discretion of the city attorney, that is the result of our office filing a charge as an infraction based upon a misdemeanor citation and having the court say that they can't process that because we don't have an infraction listed in the bail schedule. Okay, so now the 75 would be the infraction? So it's what we do already, but the 75 would be the infraction, right? Okay, and the entering condemned property and failure to appear or post bail, are those new fines or are they all been updated? I don't see a previous, but they're the first two on page 6.3. I don't know if you have the same thing that I'm looking at. 4.02.080. One and three. Yes. In addition to adding municipal code sections that have been amended by the council over the prior year, we also almost every year identify violations that weren't for whatever reason incorporated into the bail schedule. So this is just correcting a clerical error. To me, those two aren't the kind of things that I would like to see go forward as far as what we're doing here. That's $1,000 on each offense, and I want to compare that to the... Was the surf school changed or has it always been 100, 200, and 1,000? The surf school penalties are specified by the municipal code. I know, but has it changed from... I thought it was 1,000 before, and now I see for the first offense it's 100 and the second offense is 200. It hasn't been changed recently. And why wouldn't we go for a entering, condemned property 100, 200, 1,000? Why would we just go right to 1,000? This is the circumstance that arises when the building department determines that there's an immediate hazardous condition, such as faulty electrical leaking gas that constitutes an imminent hazard to the occupants of a residence, and it gets red tagged. And so when that occurs, generally in the uniform building code, it specifies it as a misdemeanor with a $1,000 fine. And as with respect to the mayor and vice mayor's comments about, you know, maybe moving forward with flavored tobacco or with short-term vacation rentals or other things the vice mayor mentioned, can we just move forward with certain things that council members want to move forward with now and then later after our study session bring this back? I suppose that's up to the discretion of the city council. Okay, maybe we could pause and then entertain a motion after we hear from the public in the interest of time with that, unless you had additional questions that you needed to have answered. Well, I just wanted to say that I was hoping that the council might direct the Public Safety Committee also to meet with the courts and have that discussion as well to find out, because I haven't seen any numbers. I don't know how many people are, you know, that they're dealing with as far as infractions and then what the judges are deciding. It's not clear at all. It hasn't been made clear to the Public Safety Committee at least or to this body. Okay, why don't we go ahead and pause and then I know council member Glover wanted some to say and sort of advice from our comings. We'll go ahead and see if there's any member of the community who wants to address us on this item. This is item number six on our consent agenda. Please come forward and you'll have two minutes. Good afternoon, I'm Scott Graham. The problem I see here is what's been addressed is the, these fines affect people with very little means a lot more than somebody that has a good job and is pulling in, you know, working for Google or Facebook or somebody and pulling in big bucks. The other thing is that this bail schedule as listed in the staff report is kind of dishonest because it shows like say there's a $20 fine for doing something. Well, actually, if you go to court, there's all these court fees that get piled on top of that, which turn a $20 fine into a $200 fine and that becomes even more unreasonable for people with no means. So there's got to be some solution either that they could go to the finance office and pay this $20 fine and not have all these court fees piled on top of it or do something to reduce these fines and the court costs that are astronomical when you consider a $20 fine turns into a $200 fine. So if there's some way to alleviate that, it would go a long way to helping people with no means or very little means. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no other members of the community, we'll go ahead and read. Oh, would you like to speak to the council? Please come forward. Is there any other members of the community wanting to address us on this item? Please come forward. I mean, if there's others, you can welcome to line up to my left or if you're our last mic, you can be our last over there. Go ahead. Hi. Okay. This doesn't affect me personally but it affects a friend of mine. A friend of mine was accused of committing a crime of assaulting their partner and gone into a verbal argument and they were arrested for this crime. They went to court and they had issues with missing work because they had to go to the court case for this crime that they did not commit. Ultimately, my friend had to pay bail for the crime that they did not commit. That meant because they didn't have the money, they had to go to a bail bondsman and they had to pay them a percentage of this fee. Then later, when this person went to court and they were acquitted of this crime, they still owed the bail bondsman money. And this is a person who has low income who was previously a member of our community who is now no longer a member of our community because this person couldn't afford to pay bail and had to miss work for a crime that they did not commit and they were not recompensed for this loss. So, thank you for listening. Is there any other members of the community wanting to address this on this item? Christine, then you'll be our last speaker. Hi, excuse me. I'm Mike Rotkin, a citizen of Santa Cruz. I'm just responding to something that Scott Graham had suggested to you about the court putting its fees on top of the bail scandal that the city passes, which is definitely the case and it's many times more than the actual bail fee the city passes. I tried to address this issue when I was on the city council decades ago. The reality is you have no choice but to go to court. A person has the right to go to court to defend themselves or to be found guilty or innocent of whatever they've been charged with. So there's no way to have the city apply a fine that doesn't have ultimately the courts making the decision about whether it's fair to find them at all. And once you find them, the court controls what their court costs are. I tried very hard to sort of say, well, it's three times or 10 times as much for the court cost added on. We have no control over that as a city. And so while it seems like a great idea, it's ultimately not a fruitful path to sort of go down, you're going to have to look more at the issue of what kinds of things could be done in lieu of giving people fines or things like that, which are possible, but that's one that won't work even though I appreciate Scott's suggesting it because I thought it was a great idea myself. It just can't be done. Thank you for that. Okay. And seeing no other members of the community, we'll go ahead and return back to the council for action. Council Member Glever and then Vice Mayor Cummings. Thanks. So first, I want to compliment Mr. Graham on his shirt. That is a fantastic shirt. Super relevant in today's day and age. So I just want to assure it was mentioned by Vice Mayor Cummings. I totally agree that there are things on the bail schedule that we want to move forward. Absolutely. So I don't want to hinder or block our ministerial responsibility, especially to issues, say, like protecting renters and holding landlords accountable for some of the different things that may be taking place in our community. So if we can figure out a way to pass the majority of them, except for some of the more problematic ones, like the ones that Council Member Crone brought up and then refer them to the Public Safety Committee, I think that might be a good way to move forward, at least for those first two, which were inhabiting a condemned building and then, I think, failing to appear in court. Yeah. And then also, just to, I appreciate the perspective of Attorney Kandadi as well as some of my colleagues up here on the Council with regards to the courts and their willingness to forgive fines and everything. I personally went on the court website and kind of pretended like I was someone that was trying to find how to get my fines reduced and even getting to the page where you have to put in your citation information to find out your fine was a little confusing for, especially for someone that may not be used to using technology. So if there's a liaison or something, then that is another reason why I think we should have a clear conversation with the courts and as maybe not to change the fee system on their end, as Mr. Racken just mentioned, but to be aware of the amounts that, or amount of times or the frequency or the data just associated with the forgiveness. Also, there was the term used for someone they just have to take the time to go to court. And I was recently at a public meeting addressing the issue of homelessness where the main kind of coordinator of the event who works at Housing First or Housing Matters, rather, which formerly the Home of Service Center, said the quote that experiencing homelessness is very time consuming, which was very, it stood out to me because for what us might be a mourning in court, which isn't that big of a deal, if you're someone that's experiencing homelessness, you have to find a place to store your belongings for the time that you're in court, as well as having to potentially miss a food distribution or other kinds of things that are associated with someone that is surviving outside. So I think it's really important. And also something that Mr. Graham said doesn't affect people who work for Google. I think that's very relevant, especially with the entry and occupying a condemned building. Now, I get that it's reg-tagged for health and safety issues, and I get that that's there for a reason. But if someone is looking for shelter, say out of the elements, and then has to take refuge in a condemned building to immediately go to a $1,000 fine, which is not something that's going to affect someone that has a affluent income, should be something that we're taking into consideration when we're looking at these bail schedules. I'm happy with most of them. There are some that are concerning, so I would like to make a motion then, unless you have something that you want to say before then. I just want to point out that the entering or occupying a condemned building citation is almost always issued to the property owner who has a building red tagged and attempts to enter it to do work on it or something of that nature. I've never heard of that being enforced against a person who's seeking shelter because they're homeless. Totally. I think with the study session that might be amazing. But in general, then I could make a motion so that we move the proposed bail schedule as listed, but withhold the 14.02, 0.080, and 4.02, 0.015. So that is the entering, occupying a condemned building and failure to appear in court. But then move all the other ones and adopt them and then instructs, I guess it would be the city's attorney's office or to schedule a special study session in which to analyze in greater detail the bail schedule and also refer to the Public Safety Committee the opportunity to engage with the courts in a conversation to acquire the data associated with payment forgiveness. There's a motion by Councilmember Glover. Is there a second? Second. Second by Councilmember Cron. Mr. Condati, do you want to speak to the motion on the floor? I think I understand the motion. I'm a little bit concerned about direction given to the city attorney to schedule a study session because I think the Council can set its own schedule and I'll accommodate whatever schedule the Council decides. Mr. Condati. Just to add to, I think also the Councils will be cognizant of your workload and work plan as well as you'll be starting to put that together for the next year. So I think, again, considering that, depending on the scope and what you'll be reviewing, it could be quite a bit of time depending on what issues, not just the city attorney time, but the other staff time that's involved with respect to the various issues that you potentially could be discussed. So just to be considerate of that as well.  Well, I was actually going to do two things, proposed splitting the motion and also proposing an amendment that would include back those first two items. I think it's really important that we get this bail schedule on the record. We have heard explicitly about the existing opportunities within the courts to radically alter the fines in the case of low income individuals. But there are a whole lot of fines here. I would like to see us just pass the whole bail schedule intact and then we could come back and learn more. So that would be my amendment, is that we add back into the original motion items 4.02.080, 4.02.090. So that's a motion to amend the motion. And does that need, the amendment need a second? No. Yes, the amendment does need a second. Okay, is there a second to the amendment? Councilmember Brown? I'll second it. Okay. And then Councilmember Brown? In response to some of the information that, some of the things I've heard about the feasibility and I appreciate Mr. Rotkin your input into the potential for negotiating with the Santa Cruz County Superior Court on this matter. You know, that's helpful to hear. It's also helpful to hear what the city attorney's office is considering and also with respect to the staff time involved, I'm wondering if it might be possible to direct staff to provide a report on these items, the item codes 4.02.080 and 4.04015 so that we can evaluate what the impact is for those. In particular, they sound like they're of concern to other council members and they are of concern to me as well. So maybe just asking for a report back rather than scheduling it into a whole study session at the moment and then also directing and then also getting information about any efforts to find out more about how the courts, the process, the extent to which it's actually programmatic that the courts will forgive fines. So I'm wondering if we might agenda as just an agenda item so we can get more information and have some discussion but rather than suggesting a whole study session today. If I could just speak to that, that was part of my desire for separating the motion because I would prefer to go along that line than doing a whole separate study session. I think we can get a lot of information on the flexibility of the courts for reducing the fines or setting alternatives which are significant already and which can be further developed. So I think there's a lot of interest in doing that and probably a focused report on that will get us there faster. That's my guess. So that was my hope was to separate the motion, add back in these two items and then also look fairly in a focused way on the alternative for reducing fines in specific cases. Okay. Mr. Gundadi, I have a quick question for you. In terms of the proposed items to be removed, what do you feel or what are your concerns about not moving forward with those at this time? Well, again, it simply gives rise to the situation where we may have people cited for violations and the court simply doesn't have a mechanism within which to process their citations. So it renders our job, you know, it makes it impossible for the court to implement the ordinances that the City Council has adopted. If we don't have anything. With regard to those specific violations. Okay. Council Member Glover and then Council Member Mathews. Thank you. I will refer us all back to the motion that was adopted by the Public Safety Committee, which was to specifically explore an additional study session that would take a broader look at the impact and the enforcement of fees and fines on homeless and low-income individuals. So I'm a little concerned that we're shifting away from a study session and we're moving into just a report, which is not a study session and which was not the recommendation of the Public Safety Committee with regards to these fines. Also, I would advise us not to move forward with the proposed amendment with the re-edition of the two lines because it would ideally behoove us to move more quickly on the process of figuring out the situations and having that study session. Because in the interim, I'm going to say it again, people will be subject to these fines and however long it takes us to address them. And I don't want to give people that are low-income or currently sleeping outside or seeking survival shelter in an abandoned building a $1,000 fine because we haven't talked about or we haven't looked at the impact on low-income people. Why not? Move the bail schedule so everything else except for those two codes are put into motion and then we can intentionally move forward in doing this. And we talk about workload. What's our job here? Yes, to keep the city going but also to protect our citizens which include the low-income and the homeless individuals that we're trying to serve. And if time is the argument which has been used in so many circumstances when we're dealing with issues of homelessness, we don't have time to deal with it. We don't have enough time in the meetings. I don't like that we're using time as an excuse to allow the possibility of the oppression of low-income people. It just doesn't make sense. Okay. We'll go ahead and hear from Vice Mayor Cummings and then we'll go ahead and start taking the votes on the motion. One of the expectations that I thought was supposed to come out of this because this came to us back in what May it was. And so my understanding was that this was going to go to the Public Safety Committee for review and it's now November. And so there's been almost six months to where people could have looked over these and gotten more information and we don't have any information today. And I'm just curious. I mean, that's disappointing because with all the talk around how we need to be addressing these, there's been six months for people to actually have looked into these and addressed these. And so it's sad to me that there hasn't been anything done to address the concerns around these different fines because there's been six months to do so. So I think that we need to continue having these studies. We need to have a study session on this or I'm sorry, not a study session, but I think we need to get more information back from the city attorney's office, the Public Safety Committee. But I think that, you know, we've had, I would have expected having information come back on these individual topics by this date because it's been six months since we agreed to send it to the Public Safety Committee in the first place. So given how I think, you know, as imperfect as it is in all the constraints that we have, I appreciate the input of the city attorney bringing forward the concerns around the specifics around not having anything in place for some of these items. I'd like to go ahead and just take the vote. We have a motion to amend and then we'll go ahead and hear from you. We have a motion to amend the regular emotion by having the additional, the full package of the bail schedule to move forward by Council Member Matthews, seconded by Council Member Myers. Given the input by Mr. Kandadi, I understand the need to do that and we'll go ahead and vote on that first. I'll just point out there was also a comment about dividing the question. And I'll divide the question after that. The chair has the prerogative to divide the question. I'll divide the question after that for the remainder of the main motion. So a motion to amend the motion to incorporate that. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. Okay, that passes with Council Member Matthews, Vice Mayor Cummings, myself, and Myers voting support, Council Member Crone, Glover voting against, Council Member Glover, and we'll go back to your original motion. Hopefully get action on that. Yeah, just to respond to Vice Mayor Cummings' statements. So, yes, it was referred to the Public Safety Committee in May. It wasn't agendized on the Public Safety Committee until October, which should be an issue with regards to the direction coming in from the City Council, the process of it going through staff, and then that making it agend as a recommendation from staff for it to be agendized. So if you're talking about timeline, then it has to do with City Manager's Office. And then secondly, with regards to the study session, we asked for additional information as soon as it came to the Public Safety Committee for us to discuss it. So I'm a little dismayed that you're using the fact that it hasn't come without even asking why it hasn't been addressed or the process or timeline associated. And I can tell right now, when in reality all the Public Safety Committee meetings have been filled with time-sensitive issues like fire safety and the like, and the fact that it hasn't been put on any kind of a time-sensitive agenda by the staff that's operating to help coordinate the Public Safety Committee, it seems rather strange. And now, because of that and your votes, we're going to potentially have tremendous financial burdens put on low and indicative of a pattern that we see with this body, but it's really disappointing. Okay. We'll go ahead and take the vote on the main motion. Do you need clarifying information before you vote on that motion? No. Well, the reason that we wanted a study session is because so many of these fines, it would take a while, like, you know, we could revamp the whole thing like use of steel-jawed leg-hold traps. I mean, when was the, or putting these things here, but also just generally, you know, we know that we're not enforcing the camping ordinance right now, but there's a lot of other things that are being enforced that we hear about.   All we were saying, you know, just not to not be obstructive at all is there was two that we said we would go for with, you know, everything else we could pass except those two. So it doesn't make any sense to me exactly why we wouldn't err on the side of caution in this case. It's only two and they're really, you know, entering a public condemned building and failure to post bail. It doesn't make any sense to me whether I include those or want to include those, like take them out right now and talk about them later. Okay. Well, for the interest of time, we, I'd like to see if we can go ahead and vote on the remaining aspects of the motion on the floor. If the motion to amend changed the original motion, then we would primarily be voting only at this time on whether or not to pursue a study session. Is that correct? The motion to amend was adopted and you need to vote on the motion. Okay, so we'll go ahead and split the motion then at this time and we'll vote to adopt the amended motion which incorporates the full inclusion of the bail schedule first and then the remainder of the conversation around potentially scheduling a study session for the second portion of the motion. So we'll go ahead and take them vote on the first part of the motion to adopt the amended motion which incorporates the full bail seconding. Your second has no impact into the motion that has now been amended because the seconding of that motion was adopted, was seconded by council member Myers. That was an amendment to the main motion, I thought, and we would vote on that, wouldn't we? Mr. Kandadi. If the council votes to accept the motion, the council should then vote on the amended motion or substitute motion. As amended. Is that impacted by council member Crohn's interest in the draw of the second? I don't believe so. When do you vote on an amendment to the main motion or not? How did we accept the amendment? It was a motion to amend by council member Matthews seconded by council member Myers. The motion that you voted against. The council voted to amend the motion. That was a motion to amend by council member Crohn. For the record, council member Crohn withdraws his second for the now amended motion, but we'll go ahead and take the vote on the motion. We need a new seconder. Is that correct, Mr. Kandadi? Let's just put the motion. Council member Myers will second the amended motion to adopt the full bail schedule. Any opposed? That passes with council member Brown, Matthews, vice mayor Cummings, myself, and council member Myers voting in support. Now the second split portion of the motion, which was council member Glover's motion, is still I'm assuming seconded by council member Crohn. Is that correct or did you withdraw your second to that as well? What are we voting on then? It's the second portion of the motion. All those in favor please say aye. Opposed? No. That passes with council member Brown, vice mayor Cummings, Crohn, Glover voting in support of a study session, council member Matthews, Myers, and myself voting against at this time. I have a question or maybe a comment about that. It seems to me that given that the initial direction was from the public safety committee and I believe council member Glover stated that another public safety committee meeting is coming up on the 2nd of December. I think it would be my recommendation to bring this issue back to the public safety committee on the 2nd so that the committee can give some direction as to the scope of the information being sought for the study session because we were asked to attend and present the bail schedule at the October meeting. We did that in a study session was scheduled but I think in order to provide useful information to the council as part of that study session the public safety committee may want to give some direction as to what information it would like to have at the study session. Is there any objection? Is there any objection to the recommendation? Question. So the intent is that the study session would be for the entire council and not just for the committee. Is that correct? That's right. I don't know how to write that report. I agree and I think there's probably a good deal of information that will be a helpful lead up to a lot of things like smoking and alcohol and stuff like that. I know just from direction given by council and experience a lot of that there's a warning before there's any citation. So I think it would be helpful just to get the big picture of how those are administered enforced, et cetera. I think that if there's consensus from the council that if that is further clarified by the committee and then brought forward at a future time that seems appropriate to me unless there's any objection. I don't see any objection. The only additional comments I would add is that we have a lot of big issues to address and one of the issues was recommended to have a study session on housing and the housing blueprint subcommittee come forward with some of the recommendations that were brought forward for that group. So I think it would be helpful to have a study session on housing and some of the other aspects of all of the different items that we could have a study session on at large. So with that we'll go ahead and conclude that portion of our meeting and move on to the remainder of our general business items. So next up is the consent public hearing. These are items 18 through 20 on item 20. Okay. All right. Is there any council members who want to just only make a comment on items 18 and 19 on our consent public hearing agenda? I'm seeing none. Is there any member of the community who would like to address the council on item 18 or 19 in our consent public hearing? Okay. Seeing none we'll go back into the council. I'll go ahead and see if I can have a motion on the floor. Council . I'll move item 18 and 19 on the consent public hearings. Seconded by council member Mathews. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously. Okay. Item number 20 on council member Cronen. Yeah. I had some questions just about in terms of the low, very low and extremely low and where do we err on when that's on page 20.1 and then on page 20.4 we talk about making it available for low income households. So I'm wondering when the very low and extremely low kick in and how is that part of our ordinance and what we're requiring of the developer? So we have our team here coming forward to answer your question. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, mayor, members of the council. Bonnie Lipscomb, economic development director. It depends. Our standard inclusionary is at low income, which is 80% of area median income. When it kicks in lower it depends on the project. So on a case-by-case basis sometimes we'll actually negotiate with a developer. Sometimes they'll put forward certain concessions or public benefits or something like that and then we'll negotiate with them to provide some lower affordability. So that's something that on a case-by-case basis sometimes we will actually try to achieve some lower affordability for some of our projects. But the standard requirement on the inclusionary is based on low income, which is 80% of area median income. Another situation that could be in a density bonus situation when they are looking to do a project with density bonus and that kicks in some very low requirements. Just a follow-up. And then director Butler pointed out that the SROs are also very low requirement. Right. So is that 80% is that like HUD guideline, is that written into our ordinance, is that come out when we pass the inclusionary ordinance I guess in 1979? Yeah. So that's something we can bring forward to you. It is a little confusing because we have HUD guidelines and then we actually have ours which are slightly lower than some of their guidelines based on median income. So those are they come out each year and we recalibrate each year based on what those guidelines are. Sometimes they don't change and sometimes they do. And when we say slightly lower, how do we do that? I'm not sure if I understand the lower. I have to bring it back to show it to you but when we actually calculate it, you know, we have in addition to the set p