Ας εγώ θα πάμε στον μεταλό βοήθι. Ποια εγώ εγώ είχα Αλαν! Τόν, λατορία του. Μετά για έναν άλλο... Σήμερα καλύτερα σημείο εδώ μες, όπως εγώ έκανε το top 10 από 1986. Μετά. Σήμερα μιλάμε με το Τόν λατορία του. Κοίντζραι. Τι θα κάνουμε σήμερα, Τόν. Γεια σας. Σήμερα μιλάμε για τους 10 καλύτερους μεταλδίσκους δουχίλια και νεκόση αγδόδο αιξί. Μπράβο. Τι σημαίνει... Τόν, λατορία του. Σήμερα, λατορία του. Σήμερα μιλάμε με το top 10 από 1986. Και θα είναι αλήθεια. Μετά λατορία. Μετά λατορία του. Μετά λατορία του Αλαν. Σήμερα με το Τόν, λατορία του Αλαν. Αλαν, νομίζω ότι είχα σήμερα με το Τζιτζίκι. Σουβλάκια, ε. Αλαν σοβαλάκη με το σάδι με το Μελακκά σάς. Δεν, δεν. Μελακκά σάς, είναι το Τζιτζίκι. My wife makes an amazing Tζιτζίκι. Τώρα, μην αβούγεται όλα το νερό. Λοιπόν, πηγαίνουμε με τη μάτσα. Βεβάζω ότι μετά το σάδι μετά, είναι κρύτος. Θα δούμε πώς έγινε τον κρύτος του. Αυτό είναι. Πρώτα θα πω την αγγόδο του τάτσα. Η μία και η. Ρυσάς. Είχα το πρόμο, Άλλον το πρόμο, but you know what, I support Metal, I support the artist, me and Allen always go when we buy hard copies.  Allen, what did you think of this Allen, really in 10 seconds? Oh, it's great, it was a great listen, like you said, we interviewed Todd, we went over the track listing, there's so much variation, so many vocals, stylings. There was a pleasure to listen to, yeah. Bravo Todd, there's from somebody in Greece there, Bravo Todd. Efkaristopoli. Good job, I'm really proud of you Todd. 1986 guys, let's go, there's some things I noticed when doing this list. We could do a top 20 list easily, but you know, there's some bands that were kind of, I guess started to lose the plot a bit or they were listening to the record companies a little too much, you know, at this time. You know, we had Turbo with Judas Priest, you had Triumph, came out of their best selling album ever in Thunder 7 with Sport of Kings, a big disappointment. Ozzy, that's the closest you ever, as he said himself, that's the closest you ever came to look like a drag queen with the ultimate sin. Two great albums, and then we're waiting for The Roard, there's nothing but keyboards on it, and Saxon too, with Rock and Nations, you know, we're really, really starting to focus a little more on the commercial aspect, if we can say. And then we got the Thrash, right, the Thrash is really coming prevalent, and are we going to notice that today in our list? Well, the Rise of Thrash and the Rise of Hair, that's what's going on here. And when we're talking about the Rise of Thrash, we're talking about the real meat and the potatoes. They've done their first two albums, these thrashing bands, and now they're really getting into the groove. Todd, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, you know, when I looked at this list, it's like every one of these albums is like, they're on top of their game. I mean, these are monumental albums of all the ten that we have, they're monumental, these are the coveted albums. I mean, there's still great ones among those bands, but damn, the list is like, it's an amazing list. And you know, you can definitely hear that individuality among each band. Yes, yes, that's well thought out. Today, I don't hear quite that separation stylistically, sonically. All these records stand on their own as the best in what they do, in my opinion. Very well said. But first, a word from our sponsor, the metal voice shirt. You guys can't see this. I got a picture of Aldo Nova with the metal voice shirt. Love Aldo. Love those great, great sport. Send him a shirt. And Todd, I think we've got to send you a shirt. I would love a shirt. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get you my address. And look, let's get the controversy out of the way right away. Okay. There's, like I said, we could have 20 albums easily on this. We debated if Van Halen 5150 and my buddy Dimon Dave eat him smile. His debut album should have made the list. And we're already getting comments like, hey, what's Dimon Dave doing there? He's not metal. And that's why unfortunately they didn't make our list. Todd, we listened to his feedback and he agreed with a lot of you that unfortunately it would have made Jimmy and I in mind list. But again, we're older and you know, everything was being lumped in as metal back then. Yeah, but you know what? It's like he was famous from Van Halen. When you separate that from the albums that are the other albums, those were like the David Lee Rothman was super popular.  It was Todd. It was back in the day. Not to me. Not to me. You know what? I think it's that slight age difference. It's that slight age difference. The most fun I've ever had at a concert was that tour. Those two tours actually skyscraper is equally as fun. So it's a great record. It didn't make our list. We'll throw it out there. We listened to Todd. We listened to his feedback. He goes, Jimmy, is this hard rock or is this metal? And I go, Alan, we got a gut too. Hey guys, you know, Jethro Tull won the best metal performance. Let's not forget back in the day. Hard rock and metal performance. All right. So just to clarify, 5150, Alan wanted it. I wanted to eat him and smile. But Todd disagreed and he goes, guys, you can't do it. You can't. He's a guest.  Thank you. All right, let's start them off. Okay. We're going back to, actually, let me just whip up my list so I can see the dates and times here. Yeah, I need to do that. You didn't rank them. That's just the list. No, no. I ranked them. Oh, you ranked them. I ranked them. But we could re-rank them as we go on. Ten to one. I started with number 10. Hold on. So the list that you have is in your ranking of least favorite to favorite. You bet. Yes. Okay. Okay. Well, then we're in agreement. Yeah. I am the one. Orgasmatron. Yeah. There it is. I'm going to get the list in front of me from your email. August 9th, 1986. What do you remember from this album now? And this is the what? This was the new Taster, right? We had four tracks on the double no remorse album, but this was a compilation of their greatest hits. This was the first full album with the new lineup. We got the Wurzel and Phil Campbell and Pete Gill, X-Saxon on drums.  You got, you know, Eight in my Crime and Dr. Rock that they played right up to their last tours. And of course the ends with Orgasmatron, some of Lemmy's best and just a powerful, powerful, scary track to end the album with. So it was a Taster of what things to come. You've got the new two double guitars and the new band. And for me, I mean, Death Forever, I just love that song. The way it starts off. And it's just so powerful. I love it to this day. So there we go. That's number 10. Motorhead Orgasmatron for myself. You know what? That's probably one of more of Alan's picks. But Todd, what did you think of it? When I told you Motorhead Orgasmatron, what did you think of that, that album in the ranking? Dude, I didn't even know the record. And I know that's blasphemy, but I honestly like. For me personally, look, I respect the band immensely. I have tons of respect for me. It was a little, it's more of like a straight punk rock, but there's a little punk. And for me, for my ears, there's a little bit of that. It's real trashy and dirty and raw, which I appreciate. But for me, I'm not a huge fan of that. And so I really didn't know, I had to go back and like listen to the, listen to the record and I listened to the record since you guys reached out to me to do this. And you know, with all due respect, I would put that at number 10 as well. It's just not my particular cup of tea. I think it would be awesome to see live because of the energy, but as a listener, it's just not something that particularly resonates with me. You know, tomato-tomato, I like Coke over Pepsi. They're both loved by a lot of people, but you know. Absolutely. You know, and Motorhead to me is not one of my favorite bands either. Probably more of Alan than of me. I do respect the band like you do. I'm leaving the same. I respect the band. I like this album. Was it my favorite album of the? Yeah, no. On a good day, I like it. And on a bad day, I don't. I mean, I don't know. It just depends on... Maybe you have to be in the right mood for that and then it'll resonate a little more, but it's not something I would just be like, oh, I got to hear that.  Just put on Deaf Forever and you'll be happy with it. I love Deaf Forever. That's my suggestion. Oh, and by the way, I did hear that today and it was really good. I had not, I wasn't familiar and Jimmy sent me some stuff to listen to and I thought it was great. Yeah, yeah. You know, look, I respect Motorhead and I think they deserve to be on this list even though I'm not a big fan. I respect the band. I think they deserve to be there. I feel. And just to tell everybody, this is a little bit of our own personal taste. This is sort of a genre of defying albums that we're talking about. Sure.  That's pretty much it. So it's just a little bit of everything in there and a little mix. Yeah. All right. Here's number nine Alan. This is going out. All our friends on the East Coast of USA fates warning. Awaken the Guardian Prague Rock Masterpiece.  For me, that's one of the best intro riffs ever. Feta Morgana. Man, that could have been Creed's right back in the day. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's, that's a, I heard that record. In fact, Craig Blackwell, who did my, who's on my record way back. He, he, he's like, he was put something on and he was singing this part. And you know, it's a, I want to know what speaks within. Yeah. And he's doing this thing. And, and John Arch is known for those minor notes, those interesting modulations. In fact, when we work with Queen Drake, with Zeus, I'll do some things and he'll go, that's a little bit Archie. And I, and I'm friends with John Arch. And I said, dude, we actually have a term for you for your style. Sounds like John Arch. It's a killer record.  It's definitely, you know, a highly influential pioneering band sound of that genre. Killer record. And for me, John Arch, it's just phrasing, right? It's never straight. The, you know, I love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, I love you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's phrasing in his voice. It's very unique. One of the last ones with John Arch for many, many, many, many, many years. And what a way to go out. I mean that, you know, John Arch's got a great voice, fantastic voice, but it became a little bit more less unique, let's say, than with having John Arch on the vocals. So Epita Exodus, what a way to finish the album. What a great song. And the beautiful album cover too. So there we go. Coming in at number nine. John Maurice Arashambo, John Arch. That's his full name. He's there. I think he's got a little bit of a Quebec background there, Alan. A little bit of a Quebec. The hotbed of rock and roll Connecticut. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, his family originated from, from around here. All right. Here we go. Guys ready for number eight? Alan, do you have the album there or not? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Okay. All right. This one goes out to my good buddy, Steve Fraud. He introduced me to this band back in the day. Steve Fraud. Peslas Mechanical Resonance. You're talking about a debut album. Dude, that record is so good.   What a beautiful song. That record is amazing. Yeah. You know, for again, debut album, they got lumped in with the hair metal. I don't think they're not at all. Not at all. They're more like the black rose kind of, that bluesy kind of faces kind of feel to them. But I mean, are they heavy metal Alan? I mean, there's always the borderline there, right? Well, they made my list. You know what? I'm going to say yes. That record, it's, it's not heavy metal. Look, coming at you live, it's probably the heaviest song on the record. And that's in that kind of driving sense. But dude, when you listen to like change changes and there's so much emotion and dynamics in that record. It's one of my all time favorite records. Even if it's not metal, I don't, Tesla's not a metal band. Okay. They're a heart, a melodic hard rock rock hard rock band. I think that that does that deserves the exception to be on the list because that record is timeless and it's amazing. One of my all time favorites. And you know the guys too, right? I mean, I've interviewed Brian Weed, Brian Weed, Frank Hannon. I mean, they're all great guys. Just fun loving great guys, you know, Troy Laquette joining from the Eric Martin band, right? He was in the Eric Martin band before joining Tesla. The last piece of the puzzle. Yeah. Hey, I got a funny story real quick. Go ahead.  Right. There's a drum fill that happens in this break. And I wasn't quite sure how to play. It sounds easy. We were playing Sweden Rock and Tesla was playing and their dressing room was kind of near ours and Troy comes over and we're BSing. And I was like, I was like, dude, how do you do? What's the fill you're doing here? It sounds like a, it just sounds like a little thing. And he's like, oh, he goes, that's, that's trickier than you would think. It's not this. So he's going through this whole explanation, right? And I'm, we're breaking it down. I'm learning it. I was like, can I cuss on here? Yeah. Go right ahead.  One of my all time favorite drummers just taught me a fill that I never really played quite right. And that we're walking to the stage and I got my in there. We're all walking and he runs back. He goes, Todd, Todd. I go, what? He goes, dude, I was thinking about the fill and I showed it to you wrong. I'm like, dude, I'm working. Don't do that to me. And so like later down the road, he showed it to me, but he was a huge influence on my drumming because his pocket and groove is so solid. And his fills were tasty. And he just plays for the sake of the music. And he's such a great drummer and such a cool guy. It was a real treat to years later, you know, to have a little private drum lesson and a powwow with him. They're all really great guys. And I have no biases to the album because I know them now and they're friends, but that record is phenomenal. We approve it for the top 10 metal albums. Absolutely. 1986. You made the cut. Here's one near and dear to me. Number, what are we at? Number seven. Number seven, let me bring it up here. Don't start that, Jimmy. Something that never keeps track. Just so you know it. We always lose track. Okay, number seven. I'm doing everything. This is Jim's pick. Let them have it. All right. This is Metal Church The Dark. They're second release October 6 1986. The themes, you know, dark themes, assassination, death, struggle, ritual, supernatural. The production is people dig their first album, but I think their second album is where it's at. You know, it's it's melodic. It's got a great production. It did well sales wise. David Wayne, one of the greatest singers in metal, at least back then. I don't know, ton of bricks. Method to your madness. Where are the children? Where are the children play? Watch the children play. Sorry. So Todd, what do you think about the dark? I know you know Kurt. I've interviewed Kurt a few times. Great songwriter. Great person. Love it. Listen, when we do the, if we're going to do our own ranking, it's going to be, I'm going to have to swap the order with another record. This record is. It's just like, it has many things. It's not just, it's thrashy. He's got, you know, softer singing.  There's melody. It's just when you think of, of a metal album, this is like the epitome because again, I'm a stickler for a lot of vocals at this record, vocally stands out among a lot of other thrash bands, in my opinion, only because of the diversity. And he's got soaring highs. He's got a witchy, very unique tone. Witchy is a good word. I like witchy. It's kind of wiki, right? And dude, this record is so good. Solid. I met the guys. I remember when Watch the Children Play video came out. Oh yeah. And that's what got me to learn this, to listen to this record. And it just, dude, it just holds up. It's so good.   But you know what? I kept going back to this album. I know. It's timeless. It is. Production-wise, this is 1986. Put on the album today. It holds up. Absolutely. Absolutely. My story is back in 86. We had here in Montreal, we had sword, metal church, and Metallica Master of Puppets on that tour. And I begrudgingly went and listened to this album because honestly ever since this lead singer threw his beer into the crowd and landed all over me, I refused to listen to any more of their albums. But it is a much more mature album compared to their first. And just that opening song, that first riff was just, it had me hooked throughout. I mean, start the fire. Start the fire. Well, ton of bricks. It's ton of bricks. It's just like right there. Start the fire. Yeah. What a great album. You know, I can't say enough. If I was going to re-rank this, it would be definitely higher, but it's okay. I guess these albums, you could actually put them anywhere in the top 10, right? They're all deserving. They're all deserving. It was hard enough to get it down to a 10. Yes. And this is very scientific the way we do things. Yeah. Very scientific. Oh, now we come to the big, big controversy. Here we go. Here we go. All right. You ready Alan? At the same time. One, two, three. Here we go.  Striper.  Hair metal in all its glory. And again, you know, a lot of songs on this, they still play in their sets today.   A lot of the people, fans of Striper will say this is their best. I spoke to Michael Sweet and he kind of a, him and I have a soft spot for soldiers under command, but for, you know, honestly, that's that's a wedding song throughout the rest of the 80s right there. So Jim and I took a little bit of a hit. Putting soldiers under command is the best album of that year. So we'll probably take another hit for including this album on this list. Today. You know, they, I think this is like the best selling at the time, metal Christian album. I think it hit like one million copies. That is part of the mix. I mean, if you could sell one million copies of a Christian band, it's got to be, it's a complete package. It's a package. It's the songs, it's the image. Of course, it's distribution and management, all that. But at the end of the day, it is the songs. So I think the songs hold up even to today. Todd. Dude. Listen, they have such. From an atheist to a Christian. What do you think? Yeah. Listen. Yes, as I'm very outspoken about my viewpoints, but you know what? When I see Striper play or I listen to the records, I can sing all those Christian lyrics. I don't care. I just love the songs, but they're harmony guitar soloing. Yes. The vocals, the drums were written perfectly for it. The Mesa Boogie, that's what got me hooked on Mesa Boogie. And my record, the new record is Mesa Boogie. And I texted Michael. Yeah, I thought you might dig the Mesa Boogie crunch, you know, but you know, we have more than a man in the way. You know, these songs are just like, when I played in the band Blackwell back in high school, we covered free, you know, we covered a different record, writings on the wall. We played stuff from yellow and black attack, which is loving you. Yeah. Love that record. Αυτό είναι ένα φινόμενο ρεκότητα, και αυτό είναι όταν όλες αυτές οι μπαντές που είχαν να παίρνουν αρρήνες, δεν υπήρχαν καλύτερες. Μπορεί και καλύτερες όταν ξεκινούνται, αλλά από την ώρα που είχαμε ξεκινήσει, εάν δεν είχαμε από την αρρήνη τους, νομίζω ότι είχαμε αρρήνες. Και είχαμε αρρήνει την Αρρήνη. Και αρρήνη, οι δύο καλύτερες δυο καθόλες που είχαμε δει σε ζωή μου, είχαμε εγώ, πιστεύω, και την πληγή του Αντιφασίου, το Μερικο-Νανθέν, νομίζω ότι ήταν ένας ίδιος Βασίου Σούπρας. Είναι φανάμματο. Και αυτό το ρεκότημα, γιατί όλοι είχαμε αρρήνη, έχει ένα σημαντικό μέρος στον κανάλι μου, καταλαβαίνει στις σχηματικές σκοδομές μου, θέλω να κάνω έναν μουσικό, ένας αρρήνης, και είμαστε όλοι like a gang, our band, και ήταν ένας αρρήνης σχηματικός, και εγώ αρέσει αυτό το ρεκότημα. Βέβαια, νομίζω ότι ο Μайκλ είχαμε δει, ένας από τα πράγματα που δεν είχαμε δει για το ρεκότημα, και ένας 99% αρρήνης, είναι αυτό το αλμό, είναι το σχηματικό, το σχηματικό, στις σχηματικές. Λοιπόν, όταν χρησιμοποιάζει ένας σχηματικός, το σχηματικό, το σχηματικό, το σχηματικό σκηματικό, δεν είχαμε δει δημό, αλλά πέντε μου ότι είναι το μόνο που μπροστάει αυτό το ρεκότημα, είναι πιστεύω, οι σχηματικές στον σχηματικό, και δεν έχουν το σχηματικό που θέλει. Μайκλ, ένα καλύτερο αδερφό της εξοδομίας, είχε always been on, for, I don't know, a decade, right Alan? Ήδη μας λέει, τι δεν αρέσει αυτό το αλμό, και εγώ αρέσει αυτό το αλμό, αλλά είμαι πιστεύω ότι ανεχνάει κάτι. Αυτό είναι πιστεύω, σαν αλιθανό θα γίνει πιο αλυτεί, όこと με πιομεριμένη πOMα, σαν ένα μελάνο vert immune. Τον απαραγφέρθη. Τώβα. pensar I'm getting some feta out of the fridge Okay, no problem. He's in the Greek mode I brought. Okay. Alright, so Alan, I think sorry, Dave. Sorry man, I don't feel ignored. No, you're not ignored I assure you. I don't really hear the tone, Οτι γερδως νομίζω ότι έφυγαν από να τέρει το στήμα μετοκλή στο όνομα. Νομίζω ότι στήμανοζε τον τρίποιο στήμανο και τον αρκετή. και η σύγχρονη σου βρήκει σαν αυτή. Αλλά δεν είμαι ακόμη, αλλά όχι, ξέρεις... Είναι ένα καλύτερο αλμό. Αυτό που βρήκαμε στην αλήθεια, δεύτερο 6. Βρήκαμε στο σύγχρονο. Βαναμονικό σύγχρονο. Εντάξει. Εντάξει. Τι επόμενος, το επόμενο. Εντάξει. Εντάξει. Εντάξει. Είναι το επόμενο. Πή beter! Έτσι επιβάζομαι. Αυτγ Colonel. Τώρα θα χαρακτούσα αδέρνα τις λεπéchρες. Οπότε κάν beau. Ο어�ę这ανευμ Networkiau, θα παράψω στις, voix,信νάνβασμα. Θα πει. Δει νέα για να ξεγεννύει τον γ τοφα tho. Λάμε το βα hunch. Είναι η σύγχρονη φορά. Αυτή η σύγχρονη φορά, το πρώτον που ακούσαμε, ήταν μία σύγχρονη, μία τέτοια σχέση, δεν ήταν ένα σύγχρονο σύγχρονο, like Master Puppets, had a lot of groove, Mega Death had groove. Αυτό ήταν μία πιστή, μία πιστή σύγχρονη, was what I would consider very extreme drumming, especially for that time. Αν μπορείς να είσαι τέτοιος σύγχρονος, νομίζω ότι μπορείς να παίρνεις το δύο μπροστάκο, και να είσαι τέτοιος σύγχρονος. Και το σύγχρονο είναι ένα σύγχρονο, τι είναι το παίρνειο σε αυτό, παιδίες. Oh, it's like thirty-six minutes or something like that.  No, no, no, no. It's just like, I don't know how Tom Aranya can play bass and sing that stuff, you know, because it's so fast phrasing and playing.  It just gets me going. I used to go into the pit at their shows when I would see them and just be like, oh man, it's just so energizing. This album, they came into their own, if you ask me. They just came into their own. I just think it's a perfect album. The Slayer fans that came after this album, they were hardcore. That's the album that got me, you know, turned into a Slayer fan. I just, I love that record. Just look at this and this album cover, right? Yeah, it's dark. Kind of frightening, you know, for a 15 year old or a 12 year old, you know, back then it's like, should I open it up? Yeah, that's it. Todd, according to your bio, you're like, you were 12 and 86 last year as a performer. Wow! Mr. Wade what, 80 pounds, 90 pounds? 85. You're right thigh. All right. You know what, hey, we had a local station called V32 and they would play. That's where I learned about Testament, the new Order Record. Overkill, taking over in Union. We stand all that stuff. Αυτή η στιγμή στην 86, but the records of 86 became very loved by me in my early to mid teens, so I was late to the game when those popped off, but it didn't you know that's that's the stuff that hooked me to what I still listen to today. I still listen to that stuff today. Yeah, I agree with you man it's timeless. So what does everybody think of the list so far as we move. Well, we're getting all kinds of everything. Well, again, you know, half show plug. Rejoice in the suffering. Here it is. Pick it up. You can buy it on Amazon. All around the world. Yeah, rat pack records. Pick it up. You can buy it on my website. You can buy it on his website. And what else do you want to say about this album as we go through our mid. Yeah, just 10 seconds. Okay, 10 seconds. I think that it has songs that encompasses elements of stuff that we're talking about that I don't hear in metal anymore and it was going back to our roots. And maybe that's why this is being well received because people identify with some of those things, you know that you just don't hear anymore. All right, that's it. The plug and John is saying, yes, you guys great list so far. So John, nice to know that some Greeks are watching. That's great. As you know, Todd's wife, she's from Greece, right?  He's part of the tribe. I'm learning and Alan, because he lives close to me, he's part of the tribe, so it all works. Yeah, yeah. All right, here we go. Here we go. Now a little more close to home for Todd. Right. And actually I have my album, but it's all the way down there and I don't want to go get it because I got my headphones there Alan's got it. There we go. You know what, I'm going to sound like a total shitbag. I got to pull the track listing up on that record. Oh my god. I know. I have to say Jimmy pushed hard for this to be this high. I was very superficial back in the day and I think just these back photographs turned me off although there's some great songs on this album coming from the warning. I was expecting something much more different, but hey, that's what Queen Drake's always about changing it up, right? I remember reading about before this album came out like warning came out and they were talking about the musical stylings of the next album and how they're using. There was an analog record. It wasn't a digital record. Minecrime I think was a digital record. Todd, you can correct me if I'm wrong or right there. I'm not sure, but from what I remember, this was an analog record, even though there was digital samples used for the record. I'm sure. You know what? I know that it is and here's why. I'm going to get shot if I'm wrong, but I know that. Michael, I know that they had those recordings digitized. Yes. They had the masters that were tapes. That were tape. Lucky enough to see them open for Ozzy Oz, one of the ultimate synth tour here in Montreal. The first thing I noticed was when Jeff started singing, it wasn't as powerful. I don't know if Ozzy actually lowered his mic because he kind of would have blew him away. I don't know what was happening there when I saw that show. So this is pre-triggering, all the computer triggering and all that stuff. So they had to put a lot of samples and it just kind of seemed a little messy on stage, playing the sound effects of Rage for Order. But probably one of my favorite Queen's Rake albums of all time. Not to say of the Jeff Tate era, not the Todd Latour era. It's all good. Alan, what do you have to say? Again, I walk in the shadows, I dream in infrared. They're the two strongest tracks for me. And again, it was not one that I latched on back in the day. So I can appreciate it a little bit more now. I still struggle with the second side. But amen. The Home Run came up on the next album. That was the grand slam. To me, this was my home run like screaming and digital. Chemical youth, new regal. I dream in infrared. The killing words. I'm sorry. Neuer regal. Neuer regal. Yeah. I hope to write a chorus as good as London or the proggy nature. I didn't want to get close to you. I didn't like that. But everything else on this record, and I know that the guys like Eddie and Michael will say, their favorite Queens Right record, if they have to pick one, is rage. And that's when they, again, from the two guys that have told me, they feel that that was the record that really kind of where they felt like they had their sound. I mean, the vocals were phenomenal. It's proggy.  It doesn't work that way. The phrasing is not in that time. And so it took a lot of just beating it into my brain to get the phrasing perfectly for those verses. I mean, it's obviously a very coveted album. Queens Right is a pioneering band of progressive metal. It's certainly that in the warning, the warning is my favorite, but I mean, every song on this record with the exception of getting close to you. I never liked it. I think is just killer. No, there was a cover song right by Delbello, Lisa Delbello. Yeah, it was a cover song. All recorded in the minor key every single song. Really? Yes. And even Delbello's song was recorded in the minor key. That's why it's sort of, it's just a little off. And, you know, that's what makes the beauty of this record. To me, I don't know, man. It's the most. Never heard anything like this before. They really pushed all boundaries. It's the most. It's the most melodic album next to Tesla. Different kind of melodies. But it's, it's in my opinion, you know, probably the most singable melodic melodies on that record to me, I think stand out as one of the tops. We're going to get to another band that has amazing melodies, but this one, you know, probably should be higher. 1986. What a year. You know, I was Alan, I just didn't have any money that back then. No, no. I mean, that's it. You couldn't afford records. I couldn't afford records. I mean, I had to tape stuff and then buy them when I saved them. Well, it goes back to Slayer too. I mean, we were lucky. The local record store was the importer here, Banzai Records, and we were able to get imports for $7.79. But again, you know, when you're not working, you're going to high school, you got to save that money and make sure you choose correctly. So again, Slayer was one that fell by the wayside for me, not because I didn't like it. I just didn't have the coin. And I think this Queens Rake album was the same thing for me at that time. Yeah. I think Alan got put off by the hair. Oh yeah, for sure. I was very, very superficial. I admit it. I admit it, Jimmy. To me, it was like, I kind of was a little put off by the hair, but at the same time, the music was there. Hang on a second.  Have you seen what Striper looks like on that cover? Oh yeah, yeah. Big hair, big hair. Okay, so the hair, come on. There it is. You kind of expected from them. Yeah, maybe that's, yeah. You expect it to be like that. You know, we got the EP. Oh, okay. America's Answer to Iron Maiden. Then you got the warning and it's like, oh no, this is kind of their own thing happening here. And then this was, I just couldn't place it. Then for me, you know, Operation Minecraft is one of my top 10 albums of all time. So it's just, for me, it's a hard fit in the catalog. To me, this was my own list. This would be number one. That's all I'm going to say. It's like my 10 out of 10 albums of my existence. Okay, Todd, you're up next. You're up, Todd. This is one of yours. Okay. This is one of yours. Let's see if I have a copy of it here. I do. I got a copy right here, Jim. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Brom role, yep. Oh, yep. Make peace sells. That record, I mean the album cover is just badass. Brilliant. The, you know, the conjuring, you know, I got to look at the track list, but in my head, you've got Devil's Island, the conjuring. Give me some. Good morning, Black Friday. My last words. Wake up dead.  You got, and you have that mega death, you know, groove. You know, they've got some gallopy stuff. You've got that cool groove happening, but baseline, baseline on peace sells. That's a killer record.  Everybody knows it. It's like, it's almost like, you know, under pressure baseline. That's a good point. That's very good. Yes. I like your contributions, Todd. I like your contributions. Thank you.  It's like, you know, get away. I mean, I don't believe in God.  You know, it's like, if there's a new way, people in the arena will say that.   You know, there's these songs that just work and the masses love it. And that, and you know what? So many of those lyrics still hold up today. Yeah. And so that deserves to be, you know, Rustin Peace is probably my favorite Megadeth album, but that record is killer. Mine is super collider. Ah, just kidding. Ah, just kidding. You know, I've met Chris Poland and I've seen him play live. I don't know if you've ever seen him play live. But he's playing live. It's like the way he holds his pick. This guy is an incredible guitarist. Well, look, Marty Friedman holds it, you know, his wrist is curled and he plays this way. It's a very unorthodox looking way that he. But anyway, he kicks it. He kicks it. Βεβαίνει ένας παιδίδας.  Alright, okay, you know, and then Metallica was getting stronger and stronger and they came a little later in the day, but man, I put me in the camp that thinks Megadeth has turned out much more significant albums than Metallica ever since. I think so too. So I came, I came late to the game when it came to Megadeth, but I'm glad I did. And again, it's like you said, what do you mean I'm not kind? I'm just not your kind. So good. That we had basement parties with the booze flowing and the cases of beer and everybody would stop when this song came on. And it was like, like you said, right? It's like everybody, it doesn't matter if you were a Barry Mannell fan, you were singing along to this, that song. It was like, and the video was fantastic. And like you said, you know, I'll be the first in line, but it better work this time. And those are lyrics that are true to this day. I love the... What do you mean, I didn't know you had any feelings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the line where he says, where he says, I go to court when I have to. What do you mean? So good. It's, you know, it's rebellious.  What do you mean I can't be the president of the United States? Still we, the people, right? You gotta love his snarl.  Great guy, you know, wonderful person, great musician. And then I had the privilege. I'm not sure if you were on that one with Dave Mustaine.  The guy is so cool and he's so smart. I guess, you know, I don't have to deal with him in business. So I guess, I don't know that aspect. But I just had such a pleasant, intelligent conversation with him. That's what I want to say. You're talking about with Mustaine? Dave Mustaine, yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I think he's a smart guy and, you know, he puts a lot of thought into his lyrics.  You know, it's still applicable today. And the guy is obviously seems very aware of global events, things that are happening and he writes about it. And he does it in a very clever way. And yeah, maybe that's another reason why I like them, is I like the message and I like that toughness about it. You know, it's like. Yes. I agree with you. And I agree with Alan and you saying that they probably have a lot, they have a better catalog overall than Metallica, where Metallica seemed to sort of peak quickly and then sort of die off. There's two records that I like from Metallica and the black album would be the third because I think there's great music on that record. Absolutely. Okay, but, but those aren't my two favorites. Not that we have to compare the two bands endlessly, right? No. But I mean, they were there at the 86 and this is, this is what the part of. Don't use my songs. Don't use my stuff.  All right, Dave, we won't. Up to here. We got a lot of people guessing and they were guessing correctly. Oh, this is so good. What an album cover. What an album cover saw the tour. And again, the little, you know, the beauty, the beauty of it all, right? Where you got to say, hey, there's. Yeah. Oh, the back of it, right? See the mating guys. One of the things I did for this was Jim, one of the things I did in this list compared to the other years that we worked our way up to. I took my, the date that I bought it, because I kept track of all these things. I took the date I bought it and the day it was released. And I said, well, if I bought it that sooner, I mean, that's where I put my money. This, this I bought actually before it was even released. I figured that one out. So again, you know, they did the synth guitars. The priest tried later on that same year and it didn't work for me with the priest, but when we made it, it made perfect sense. Again, just some strong, strong songs and everybody made it and was, you know, coming off their biggest tour ever. And the power slave tour.  So this is where Adrian Smith started throwing out his material and they started using his material, more melodic stuff. And I think Bruce Dickinson at this time, he was getting shut down, right? He was, and that's part of his frustration that sort of built until the time he left. I didn't know that. Yeah. He didn't contribute anything. He wanted to do an acoustic album. He wanted to make it like Led Zeppelin 4. Yeah. Or Led Zeppelin 3, I should say. This records. I mean, if you listen to like, see a madness. Yeah. It's like Alexander the Great, Stranger in a strange land. Like I'm reading the track listing. Heaven can wait. Heaven can wait. I love that. They used to get the roadies out to sing the chance on stage. Actually in my, one of my cars, I have this record in the CD player right now that I've had in there for the last couple of months, somewhere in time. I just, yeah, this is a killer. There's not a bad song on it. I don't think it's, well, okay. It says total length 5118. Yeah, it's long. I don't recall feeling that lengthy, but yeah, this is a ridiculous record. It's so good. Caught somewhere in time. What a beautiful song. It's just a great way to start. Just the loneliness of a long distance runner. So good. Yeah. It's just deja vu, right? And of course, what was it? Wasted years. Wasted years. That's what I was thinking. Come on guys. That was like the big hit. I have a tattoo on my forearm. That's kind of like a shackle. I've had it for many years. And inside of it, you can't read it well. It says infinite dreams. There you go. That's very cool. Yeah. So Jeremy, meet the guys in Maiden. So I've met Steve Harris on one of the cruises that we did and I went in the back and he and I had about a 15 or 20 minute conversation. It was super cool. And then when we toured with the Scorpions, we've done a couple with them. Nico McBrain, we were playing in South Florida and he lives down there. He was front row. I don't know if I'm on center stage and I'm looking out at the crowd. He was like at two o'clock and I was like, holy shit, that's Nico McBrain. I thought it was so cool because I don't know anybody in our Maiden.  And then he saw Michael and hey, Michael, because they know each other. And then he actually gave me his cell phone number and said, because I told him I'm in Florida too. He said the next time you're down this way, call me. We'll go to the restaurant because he owns like a ribs barbecue joint down there. Yeah, yeah. I'd love to go.  We'll go to dinner at the restaurant and then we could go back to my house and play snooker. Please snooker bait. You know, all right. One of the wages. If I win, we get to tour with you. Hey, but Todd, a quick question, Todd. Would you rather sing with Maiden or play drums with me? Oh boy. If you had the chance. Sing. Wow. Because, because here's why. Here's why. I think I could pull the singing off better than I could do the drums. And here's the thing. I don't consider, and I don't think many drummers, if any, consider Nico McBrain to be a metal drummer. He's a lot more jazzy rock.  But he's got like, if you listen to like eagle, where he goes there. You know, if you used to do double bass on that one. You know, his playing is, is like, I think I would do a bigger disservice to the drums than the vocal. But I mean, yeah. His drumming is like really hard to play. And I know friends with Steve Harris' sister Linda and her son Joe is an awesome drummer.  And he plays the Iron Maiden stuff really well. But Nico McBrain's drumming, super hard to copy. You know, he's got his own thing and drummers will know what I'm talking about. All right. As a side note, this Friday, me and Alan are doing 10 years of the metal voice, a show. And Paul Diano, he's going to be on. But heads up, heads up everybody. We're planning with Paul to be on. Paul's saying he's going to be on, but he's got sort of knee problems. So, you know, if he has to go, you know, maybe to the hospital or wherever the case is and he won't tentatively, Paul Diano will be on. Another friend of the show. That's cool. It's always a great interview. Yeah. Paul Diano is the best. Hilarious. Hilarious. All right guys. But before we reveal the last one, I want everybody all to read out what they think the people watching what their number one or top metal album of 1986 is. So type it out and I will read them out. Well, what we can do Jim, in the meantime, why don't we go to our hidden gems? These are bands that probably wouldn't make any. Yes, go to that. Rejoice in the suffering. And now brought to you by. Brought to you by Todd Lutori. Rejoice in the suffering. So Jim, we did a little something. That's what the bass. Like you said, it's been 10 years. We'll be celebrating very soon. The show we started out just trying to introduce people do some obscure bands. I've got one hidden gem that probably wouldn't make anybody's album. But it's one of my favorite from that year. The F dealer. Keeper of the flame band right from here from Canada from Quebec here. Their first album. There's pretty much the only one that ever got released. But it's always remained a favorite of mine. And I remember them practicing. Like I said, a bonsai records. We'd be buying the records out downstairs. They'd be rehearsing upstairs in the middle of summer with all the windows open. We'd be listening to them jamming, playing their songs. And again, it's just a great album. I want anybody out there that can check it out. That's my hidden gem from 1986. Deaf dealers, keeper of the flame. We're going to Todd's in a second. So so far I'm hearing P cells is number one master puppets. Number one master master summer in time should be number one. My top pick. I just lost track. Master puppets master leper Messiah. Deaf dealers. Great timing. Yes. Did people see the list? Well, no, but I'm showing the pictures as we're going along. Okay. So people are throwing out names, not knowing. We had a Cinderella night song. Nobody knows what our number one is yet. A bit of everything. Accept Russian roulette. Accept Russian roulette. Yeah, we got that one here. Glory debut. Listen, listen, listen. Not because I was in the band. Crimson glory should have been as big as Queen's Rite. Crimson glory. No singer on this planet. In my opinion. Evoked emotion like midnight. But I'm not sure what the original vocalist for crimson glory. That guy would make the hairs on your arm stand up if you listen.  That never got what they really, in my opinion, the music deserved transcendence is hailed as one of the greatest records in the genre of all time. That debut record still is crazy good. So if people aren't familiar with crimson glory. I highly encourage you to check out. There's Todd. Hidden gem. That's the hidden gem. All right. All right. Jimmy, are you ready for yours? Do you have that one? Okay. Because I don't. Sword metalized. Follow the wheel. This album had a minor hit stoned again. You know, it kind of more than a minor hit, I would say. So much so that Dave Mustaine and Dave Ellsworth. Rick Hughes. They used to be driving around in their van singing this album playing this album. There to spit there to spit on my grave. And they're probably about 20 minutes from us. Rick Hughes incredible singer incredible artist. I don't know. It's just a start to finish gem of an album that people need to check out. Is it on par with, you know, the albums that we're talking about today. It probably is.  They're still a band. But speaking of that, they're coming out with a new album on Ellison Records. Okay. So yes, they're still a band. But there. Yes, there was this huge gap. Like Anvil. Well, no, no, there's no gaps with Anvil. Oh, there's no gaps. You just couldn't find their albums anywhere. Anvil didn't have a gap. No. Okay. They just cranked it up. They had a little gap. Yes. Between the Forge and Fire and Strength and Steel, but they plugged along all the way. Okay. You just couldn't find their albums anywhere. Got you. But a sword followed up with another album. So I think it's Sweet Dreams. It was called right after this one. And then it's. You went on to do. And it just kind of the grunge era hit. And he became out of fashion. But Rick had a great, Rick followed up with Saint and Sinner, Saints and Sinners, which people still talk about that album to this day. So I'm just to hear the new sword album that's on Ellison Records. So yeah. Yeah. There we go. That's Jim's Hidden Gem. So now that we got that out of the way. All right. So I'm just going to read a couple more Crimson Boy. Okay. Getting all the love. Awake the Guardian. That's already, we spoke about that sabotage. There's a rock. Go ahead Todd. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just curious. Yeah. That sabotage might not have been in there, but I don't know that in 86 there was a release. So that's probably why I didn't go there. But all right. Honorable mention anyway in the time period. And I'm going to give my last honorable mention. It's one of the bands I love dearly thrash band. Flotsam and Jetsam. Oh, yes. Doomsday for the Deceiver. Only to discover this album. After it was released when it was released and Jason Newstead was in the band. I didn't really pay attention to them as much. But later on, I just adore this album. Probably one of the greatest top 10 thrash albums of all time. Killer band. Killer band. And Eric still sings just as awesome as back then. The guy's a machine. And if this was my list all by myself, it would definitely be in my top 10. Look, if we all put our top 10s, it'd be like a top 30 list. But that's not how it works. Right. That's not how it works. All right. I think it's time. All right. Here we go. You ready? Not much of a surprise guys, but we got master master. There it is. There it is. There it is. I mean, I got the deluxe here. Look at this. Copy copy conformed to the, you know, master ride the lightning album. I mean, you know, it's almost track to track. You got the acoustic get the song comes in where you're supposed to, but it's just a great follow up to another great album ride the lightning. 1986, August 9th. There's my ticket right there. Like I said, that's master puppet store. We're supposed to happen earlier in the year, but James broke his arm in a skateboard accident. James. So we've got the lame, but I got the sword and metal church and Metallica. What a great, great triple bill. Yep. Yep. Tell me when you met the band Alan. Oh, that was a ride the lightning tour froze our Jesus offers minus 40. They guys are parting back in the hotel with a few Bruce keys as they were known to to do back in the day. And we stood up in the line for two, three hours. They came off hammered say guys, sorry to keep you waiting. Come on in. And we was again, it was rock on stock and we signed the had them signed their albums. So I have downstairs. The inner sleeve to ride the lightning sign by Cliff himself along with Lars and James and Kirk. It's my prize possession because as you know, only the best for you. I went to the city of York City. After Cliff was unfortunately had the the bus accident, so I was glad to meet the guys and it was just very early on in their career. So just, I mean, they're only a couple years older than ourselves. So they had a good time. And that much you always always been one of their favorite spots Αυτό είναι μονασιασμό, μονασιασμό, πόνο που δεν θα πρέπει να είναι. Απέρασμα, αυτοκρότημα. Είσαι μιλάτες για Λεππορ-Χάι-Α. Λεππορ-Χάι-Α. Βορειά και μονασιασμό. Ανθρώπω ότι Μαρν κρατάει, καλύτερα έκανε, σημαίνω ότι Αλλην έκανε ένας φασίας. Αυτό ήταν το βόδο του number one ή ο σύνορος από 100 λεπταγότητα από όλη την ευρωμία, τα κανοβάζει το number one. Καλύτερα έκανε, ο παρός είναι μονασιασμό. Είχε σκέψει, είχε δημιουργήσεις από τους άνθρωποι, εγώ είχα πρόεδρος σε όλες οι άνθρωποι, τι είναι your favourite all-time metal album και η μάσταρα του Πάππιτς was what he got. Τατ. Δεν ξέρω πώς να ξεκινήσω. Βέβαια, είχα ένα νεκ-στορ-ναίβαιο και είχε παίξει αυτή η δημιουργία. Ποθαναίχα η σκάλα...  It was like a 13 hour thing and it was it was as you know it was kingdom come docking. Metallica Scorpions Van Halen well when Metallica came on I was like I could you know I couldn't wait. And I thought that it was the master puppets tour but I'm told that it was maybe injustice for all nevertheless they played a ton of master puppets stuff. It was insane. I used to play that in my car, you know, just all of the time. I love that record. It certainly is. Okay, maybe it's the top 10 overall. You know, is there the vocal acrobatics. No, but you know is it my favorite soloing. No, but as a whole that record is phenomenal. And yeah, I could I could see how how many people would would see that as as a number one album. It still holds holds up today and you know I think that that record put that band like on the map. Never mind and just for all in the black record where the commercial success happened but it like just bonafide. You know we're still underground. Yeah, bingo bingo. Yeah, I think that's what it is. They're the the biggest underground band in the world, you know, and exactly just blows my mind that these guys play to stadiums. And the music with the exception of the black album really is a mainstream right. It's it's. Everybody's going crazy the whole stadium, you know, it's just. And you know what, it's hard for songs that are like, you know, it's hard for that kind of stuff to translate in that space. A lot of stuff gets lost. You lose the definition. It's hard for those songs to but I tell you what, everybody knew that record and everybody sang along and to the people that didn't. It was like, you don't know what you're missing. Like how can they under that you can't even hear it's kind of blurry and you don't know what's going on. They know every nook and cranny of those songs just like we do now and it is stood the test of time hats off to them. They wrote an amazing record. I wish I wrote it. Yeah, it goes back to what I didn't but I did write. Right here. Brought to you by. Brought to you by Todd Latour. Brought to you by the metal voice shirt. What Todd was just saying, you know, we've spoken about this numerous occasions on the show.  Nothing. There was nothing ever sounding like that.  So it was this underground movement that started and then ride the lightning acoustic guitars acoustic guitars. And then, you know, that was great songwritings. Okay, just reinforced a little bit more melodic than the first album and then this one came out and it was just a continuation that whole movement.  So that whole movement was really picking up a groundswell, I would say at that time as well. I'd like to add to what you're saying, Alan, that I think in some ways, some of these records were when either the band thinks so or the fans think so. That was kind of when they found their sound. Yes. And I think that this record is that record for Metallica. And how we started things off and how we started things off and you nailed it, Todd.  I don't know, it's just a perfect time in music that hopefully one day will happen again. Another golden age. Yeah, well, we have rejoicing the suffering. That's the spark. That's the spark that's going to light everybody's mind. What do we got here? It's got pictures. They got everything. No, but you know what, listen, if we're B, if we want to be honest. Yes. And we and we say, OK, what would you know, pick a pick a year 2010. OK, nothing standing out 2015, nothing stand. There's so many years where you don't find the significance. And again, we're talking about the separation, still within a context of metal, but you have this identifiable thing. You put on some of these satellite stations with metal. Dude, I can't tell 95% unless I know, oh, I know that singer stripped the vocal out and play the songs. To me, I can't tell the bands apart. They all sound the same. Most of them sound the same.  Motley Crue back then, you know. Queen's Right. All these bands we're talking about, Iron Maiden, Definitive Sound. Nobody sounds like them. You know it. Today it's lacking that and it's almost getting to that time again where when, you know, when the Seattle Grun scene came in and just blasted the rock scene. That's right. It's like, I feel like we're at that, that area where something else has to give something needs to come into the mix.  Well, it's moving right there. That was, you know, like it was all becoming sticks and yes and corporate and arena and then punk comes in and just rips through. Right. And people gravitate towards this new movement. Grunge did the same thing. Right. Well, then that got played out and then you heard this, what do they call it? There's some weird term for that creed vocal delivery. Oh, you mean the Jim kind of sound. That sound and after a while you started hearing bands like not even sounding like their mouths open when they sing. Oh, the Dave Matthews sound. That's what it is, the Dave Matthews sound. It was like, okay, this sounds formulated and I can hear that in pop. There's a female, there's a sound now that I'm hearing in the female pop world that vocal delivery where they're all, there's a certain sound that everybody's starting to sound like this. The authenticity to me is lacking and it's not about playing a million notes. It's about letting things breathe and I missed that in music and maybe that's why some of this stuff resonates with me. You can be heavy without playing a drum fill in every hole or a million guitar notes every, you know, so many words being spoken. Just let it breathe a little bit, like chill out. Perfect example, South of Heaven.  Go ahead, Alan. Yeah. I just like that, what Tyra's saying. I mean, it's a great point. We get criticized all the time. That's not metal. Look, we had our own debate with Van Halen and David Leroy. But guys, this is 1986. Yeah. And Todd nailed it on the head. Look, we can talk about killer dwarfs. Stand tall. Who sounded like that? Nobody. You know, all the way through to all everybody that made our list. We've got Momstein Trilogy. If I was allowed to put an 11th one, that's what would have made my list. Except Russian Roulette. Who sounded like except at that point. So to go back to what you got. You can tell a Queens right song. You can tell an Ozzy Osbourne song. Tony Aeomi, well, maybe not the 7th Star with Glenn Hughes singing, but you know, most bands you could, they were very distinct and it was that wide open. Like Striper made the list and so did Slayer, right? Yeah. That's 1986. That's what it's about. It's a good list, guys. It's a good list. I think all this sort of tension and argument, well, healthy arguments. Or debates. Master Puppets. Iron Maiden. Megadeth. Queens Reich. Slayer. Striper. Metal Church. Tesla. Fates Warning. Motorhead. Yeah. All these different genres. Yeah. You know, and what a great year. That's all I can say. It's a great list. It's a decade that I'm never leaving. So my sister will say, God, you're so stuck in the 80s. I'm like, and I'm never leaving. God, I wanted to show you this before we go. Yeah. This is the verdict. I bought this in Canada. You see this? Oh, wow. I don't even have that. That's right. And you know what? When you open it up, it's got a second CD. You know what's crazy? But this is like a limited edition. So there's a live acoustic. I don't even have it. Remember you said in Japan you had the... No, on condition human, we had a song called Mercury Rising. That's on there? Yeah. 46 North. The speedy momentum? Yes. It's there. Dude, I don't even have that. And you know it's cool. You know it's really cool. I got my little magnet, my refrigerator magnet. It comes with it. I don't own the box there. Show them the condom. And the condom. The verdict condom. Hey, hey, no, that's a finger cup. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to show you that because we were talking about that. No, that's cool. You know, obviously I have all the recordings. Look at this. It's a nice little box set. I bought the day off. Look at that. That's beautiful. I have the master recordings, but I do not possess what you have. I don't own that. Limit edition. Limit edition. And I'm one of the guys who has... You gotta talk to your record company, Todd. Did you buy that through Century Media? No. I bought that at our Shumbo. It's a record store. It's a local record store. Yeah. That's a really nice looking box set. Yeah. And when the album came out, I saw it okay. 5, 6 bucks more for this box set. Yeah. You got some live tracks here too with those... Yeah. Those never before heard. You have a dream in infrared acoustic. That's a real acoustic. Yeah. Those were fun to do. Yeah. So everybody, pick this up if you can still get it. Yeah, cool. And that's it, guys. Great. Thank you, Todd. Todd. I had a great time and we'll do it again. Anytime you want to get on here and rap, I would love... 1987. What's gonna happen next? What's gonna happen next, Alan? You know what? Wait a second, Metallica. No bass. No bass. No bass. No bass. No bass. Wait a second, Metallica. No bass. Oh, dude. Yeah. And justice for all. Shit. I'm gonna... You know what I'm gonna do? What? I'm gonna get on line here and I'm gonna go... You know, top metal albums of 1987. I'm gonna start going through, because now I'm curious what those other years in the latter part of the 80s... Things really got classy. It's not an easy task. We did 79 now. We're at 86. And man, one year we had to put 20 in. And this year too we got to put 20 in. It just... The music... I mean, metal was that strong back then. You know what you do? Hold on. Here's what you got to do. Yeah. How many of these reviews have you done for the albums? 79... 79 until now. So we've done, you know... Seven years. Okay. So what you could do to cap off with Paul Diano, if he is on the show. Paul Diano is a different show altogether. It's an anniversary show, that's all. Okay. Well, for future reference, you do a shoot-out of those top picks. So then you'll do a master of puppets against blah, blah, blah. Yeah. You got to do a shoot-out now of the ultimate crowning album. There you go. Of a decade. Of a decade. Of a decade. Yeah, maybe the decade. But once we ripped through this decade, I know what's going to happen in 94, 95, 96, 97, right? I don't know what's going to happen there. I can tell you that Pantera flew the flag and I can tell you another band that came out that totally changed the game. And that's Korn. Because nobody was down tuning like Korn. The first record does not contain a guitar solo, if you could believe that, and you don't even miss it. That's a worthy record, dude. And that is one of those sounds we were talking about that breaks through and cuts through the BS. But what was KISS doing in the 90s? That's what I want to know. Revenge. What was KISS doing in the 90s? Revenge. It was. It was revenge. Right? And ice dirt. Ice dirt. They were holding the flag too, right? There's sort of like darker, dark metal.  This is a completely different discussion and we'll continue this discussion. With 1987, we'll get to that year. It gets glossy. It gets very glossy. We're starting to separate the men from the boys in the 80s. That's when the ozone layer starts depleting because of the hairspray. That's where the holes start. They go, why is the ozone layer done? All right. Hey, everyone. Thank you for having me.  I know that Jimmy, I'll keep it clean. Jimmy had to clean the snow three times today. I had to snow blow three times. What's after that? What comes after that? He messaged me. I had to snow blow my driveway three times. I go, wow, three blow jobs in a day. He could only wish, Todd. He could only wish. Now I'm going to go eat my feta cheese now. All right, man. Hey, have a great night and cheers to you. And thanks for having me. It's always fun and we'll do it again. Yeah, great. Thank you for your input. Yeah, I had a lot of fun. Thanks guys. Thanks for everybody for tuning in. We're talking.


Hey there and welcome to the Fedora podcast. This is episode number 29 Fedora spins buggy edition My name is Eric the IT guy Hendricks, and I am so excited because I just saw the rough draft for the new video bumpers That we'll be using on the podcast. I heard some samples of some audio that we're going to be using So I'm really excited here in the next episode or two We should have like a more dramatic introduction to to the episode instead of just tada here. We are But that being said it wouldn't be the Fedora podcast without someone to talk to and For this episode I could think of no one better than our own Joshua to join me on the Fedora podcast to talk about budgie Welcome to the Fedora podcast Joshua. Yeah, thanks for having me on Thank you for volunteering and if I if I remember correctly, it's it's pretty early in your time zone It's it's only midnight. It's it's not a problem energy drinks, you know, whatever Well, it's it's four o'clock here. So, you know, they always say it's five o'clock somewhere and and apparently that's the East Coast right now All right, so why don't why don't we kick this off? Why don't you introduce yourself and And the usual questions we ask is who are you? What do you do for a living if you if you care to share? What do you do for Fedora and then because we're all about the people here? What do you do for fun? Yeah, so my name is Joshua Strobel I am the founder of the open-source organization called buddies of budgie Which develops the budgie desktop environment and I also lead the Fedora budgie SIG Which is the special interest group that's responsible for the packaging of budgie desktop and creating fancy things that would be talking about in the show so In terms of what I do for a living. I am a full stack developer And it's 2023. So I think most people know what that means. It's react. It's no JS. It's a little bit of go-lang But I do have some experience in consultancy with go-lang and cloud orchestration with Kubernetes and and server admin e-bits with ansible and puppet and Fedora, of course and so on so That's sort of my background of what I do for a living and then in terms of what I do for Fedora It is as one would expect related to budgie So I package budgie because it's needed for a budgie spin I do a budgie spin because I wanted to make sure that people had a sane in quotes out of the box budgie experience On top of Fedora without having to jump through a bunch of hoops. And then of course, I've since created Fedora onyx Which will maybe talk about So yeah, that's primarily what I do in terms of the Fedora land I would like to get involved in core OS Should time permit because that's a really interesting project. I run it on my home server It's awesome. And you know, I'm really bullish about immutable operating system. So Yeah, but when I'm not thinking about budgie desktop when I'm not thinking about Fedora stuff Both of those being rare things I like to play video games or learn how to make games as well So in like Godot and Blender and all that but I've been on a real binge lately with like some roguelikes some ERPGs like halls of torment and 20 minutes till dawn and I play like elder scrolls online a couple statues back there of Other schools. I didn't see those. We would have talked to that about that in the pre show Yeah, yeah, sorry. Sorry. My head is kind of blocking it So games like that So my my hotas down there for some elite dangerous and flying sims, of course Because that's so much better than the mouse and keyboard. But yeah, that's what I do for fun Yeah, yeah, I've Starfield has been eating my life when I'm not parenting and not working so Yeah, I have managed to avoid it. It's been extremely difficult But I think it's also because I use this thing called Intel arc. You might have noticed it over here I saw my switch I switched away from the video to Intel arc and it turns out it doesn't actually run so great on Intel arc at the moment I don't know about the Linux situation in terms of Starfield, but I'm just I'm just holding holding off as long as I can I have so much other stuff to play and so much other things to do Yeah, we've we've definitely seen a resurgence in Both movie and video game releases since everyone's kind of recovered from from the pandemic and having to shift all that work to work from home to Certain offices going back into the office. And so it seems like there's so many triple a titles that have dropped this year. Yep It's it's no it's never ending. Yeah But yeah, that's that's awesome. We should probably have like a fedora gamers Community which we actually have an episode coming up here in the near future Where we'll be talking about valve and fedora gaming and that kind of thing which by the way Before we get into our topic today. I'm really excited because the last two weeks The marketing team and I really sat down and started having conversations about what do we want to talk about on the show? Who do we want to have on the show? So we actually sat down and Because I didn't know where else to put this we I created a HackMD file that is open to just about anybody with an account where we started planning out episodes where we started laying out topics and Last week we're going episode by episode figuring out what we were going to talk about now I am thrilled to announce that here It is the middle of September and we actually have every episode through the end of the year Scheduled with a guest in mind. We're ready to go. So I mean, we we've hit the big time if you ask me I mean, we've got video bumpers on the way. We've got audio bumpers on the way. We've got schedule So if there's anyone out there that can afford me I I could do this full-time I love fedora the getting to know the folks of the community Honestly, I do this as much for myself to learn about fedora as I do The those that watch either live or video or audio. So there's there's a ton going on I'm really really excited to share that with you a little under the weather today. So my excitement probably isn't coming through No, but like I was so ecstatic when I checked that list and you had Timothy and George that are gonna be coming on not to spoil anything to talk immutable operating systems If you're not familiar with George Castro, he's awesome. He does universal blue, which is on top of fedora It's just it's killer. It's so cool and Timothy is such a great guy He's helped me out so much with Fedora on X So, you know a big shout out to him as well, but yeah, you guys got a really good list Coming up in terms of guests. So Yeah, I think that's two episodes out. So about a month for now Our next episode will all will actually be meeting with the fedora community architect And he's watching life go figure glad to have you in the audience So he'll he'll be joining us here in about a month. I believe in two weeks Our next episode will be about The community and the community architect role So we'll be talking a little bit of a little bit more about who's involved and We'll take kind of a higher level view and then I believe the episode after that We'll be talking immutable operating systems Whether it's universal blue or silver blue. We'll probably give a shout out to onyx So joshua if you could stay up late with us love to have you in the chat for that Of course, yeah But uh, yeah with that said, why don't we dive into today's topic? I try to avoid the the meta topics about podcasting about the podcast So let's let's dive in and why don't you why don't you start with an introduction to what is budgie? Yeah, so I always try to pitch budgie desktop as like a feature rich flexible desktop environment not too flexible though because you you still want it to be approachable to your average user That strives to strike a balance between a traditional user experience metaphor While having sort of sensible defaults like this thing called a system tray Um, I like system trays. I like when I have things minimized and running in the background and they show up And I know what the status of them are Um, and then mixed with like fun and quirky features like raven, which is our widget and notification center Which I think is what a lot of people flock No, no bird puns intended. I promise Uh flock to budgie budgie 4 so Um, but yeah, that's that's basically budgie. Um, and uh It really sort of goes back to the days of of of volvo west So so for those who don't know like he docked he he actually is the creator of budgie desktop And he actually originally created it for a volvo west which was later rebranded to solace Um to sort of be an approachable traditional user experience that was lightweight So akin to sort of what we try to strive for nowadays a traditional metaphor that had sort of similar features and capabilities As say the genome 2 late genome 2 era and early genome shell now for those who don't know this was back in like 2013 Genome shell was brand new. It was it was kind of bare bones But they had like really cool stuff like old message trays Where you can like tide into Empathy and and see your real-time messages and that kind of stuff, but anyways So this was really early on that that really takes me back to the days of Like joining linux unplugged on a tuesday afternoon part of the jb the jupiter broadcasting network Actually got my podcasting start on linux unplugged. I used to hang out in the mumble room and uh And I chat with like I chat chat with folks like icky and and from there, you know grew into Into the pseudo show as no a show And then to you know, it's where I am today So you're you're really harkening back to back to the early days of my My more vendor and community focused part of my career Yeah, so the see the original goal behind budgie was sort of to to build it on top of genome components So, you know, that's mutter gdk Genome settings daemon that sort of thing instead of forking the entire ecosystem Which is kind of what we see with cinnamon nowadays and really started with the the cinnamon 2 era Which has its pros and cons but you know in terms of the the budgie metaphor sort of build a shell on top of the genome stack and You know ever since then it's taken really a life of its own So obviously the goals of it have evolved as the landscape has You know like a lot's happened in the decade since then in terms of linux ecosystem in terms of development capabilities Like if you were to ask me would linux be where it is today 10 years ago I probably would have said no Just because it would have been so crazy the capabilities of linux that we have nowadays for home users But it's evolved so much since then in terms of budgie Whether that's getting adopted And built on by others like uber into budgie And ultramarine linux and gecko linux and now fedora, which is really exciting And then when ike left solace in 2018 I took over as the budgie lead and continued working on it, of course And uh, just as a little bit history then in 2022 when I left solace I decided hey, let's try to really transform budgie from like this sort of product oriented philosophy where it's like catered to towards solace that and it happens to work For other operating systems To something that's really like platform oriented. So like vendor neutral all the way Build on top of it have fun go crazy break it if you want to it's your own thing um, and then get everybody involved from all these different operating systems and teams uh into sort of just one one Environment and one organization to really try to take budgie to the next level with leaven and beyond So I founded the buddies of budgie organization then so Gotcha, so when did uh, when did uh, budgie become an official, uh fedorespin? Well, so that happened just in fedora 38 if you could believe it. It's that recent I started working on it in fedora 37 um, I had installed it was I'm trying to remember how exactly it went But I think it was something like I was using endeavor os after I left solace to be completely honest I didn't immediately jump to fedora. Okay. Okay guys. I'm sorry. Um, you're here now. So we forgive you Exactly And he was like, you know, we don't have budgie desktop proper On on fedora these ultraman ultramarine lengths guys are doing an awesome job But you know, would it be so bad if like we had it officially?  Fine fine How hard could it be? He's like, I'm willing to sponsor you like package sponsor you So I Here here I am. So I for fedora 37 cycle. I was like, okay. I'm gonna do budgie desktop and I had the end goal of We're gonna have a spin And then at some point when when at least I personally feel that the rpm os tree stuff is ready, which it is in my opinion Nowadays, we're gonna have an immutable variant so And that is the uh, that's onyx that you'd mentioned Yeah, I prefer I would prefer if it was just called like fedora budgie atomic But apparently we all have to invent these crazy names that nobody could remember So mine is onyx Yeah, I I feel your pain there. Uh, the the atomic branding both for fedora and for red hat are are a little bit, uh a little bit of a, uh We just yeah, it's one of those things we just don't talk about anymore Yeah, what was this atomic thing? Uh, anyways So you you mentioned buddies of budgie and we're we're going to go off off topic here for just a second Why don't you explain what the the buddies of budgie is? Yeah, so buddies of budgie is and Is an open source Organization that is actually fiscally hosted by open source collective, which is really cool Um, and its goal is basically to develop buddies to develop budgie desktop and to get a bunch of Traditionally downstreams as others might call them Um, so like, you know, the people from moving to budgie from soulless nowadays From you know now fedora Or gecko linux and so on and just bring them all in a really nice kumbaya moment and say hey Let's work on budgie desktop together. Let's make it try to suit everybody's use case And try to make it so not only can you guys build on budgie desktop to make it The experience that you want but everybody else can And then take it to the next level with 11 In terms of like separation of data and presentation layers and a lot in a lot of other crazy stuff Um, so and if you if you check it like what the ubuntu budgie people have done with their default experience and compare it to like The very stock fedora budgie spin you can see like they're they're night and day And i'm i'm genuinely proud that we could actually support both of those Um, so buddies of budgie kind of helps us keep that in check and make sure we always have a a platform vendor neutral oriented position towards budgie Compared to you know a product oriented approach yes so we kind of talked about uh some of the underlying features Using existing components to build a sort of a traditional desktop environment But from a end user perspective if i were to put my If i were to put my wife on fedora budgie, uh, what would be some of the standout features that she might enjoy? um to be quite honest I think the only standout feature would probably be raven And I think that's okay And the reason why I think that is okay is for example if I was to sell my wife on hey Let's let's switch you over to windows. I know you don't have all your software. Let's just theoretically pretend you do um over to Over to something running linux. I would want her on budgie because quite honestly with the default experience It feels a lot like windows And I don't that's necessarily a bad thing. It has a a menu That you use to launch your applications and you could quickly access You know the shutdown capabilities. You could quickly access your home folder and music and so on and you can launch applications And they show up as icons in the panel You can launch them you can favorite them and so on um and then of course there's a lot of flexibility But I feel like those are more for advanced users Users that want to tweak with their with their experience and you you perfect you can By just opening up budgie desktop settings But in terms of the traditional metaphor I I kind of pride on it being just not really anything special Because that in a way makes it kind of special Because at least compared to genome shell as an example and I don't want to throw shades on on genome shell here Like it's it's a very different user experience that a lot of people are just not going to understand And they're going to want a more traditional user experience and sort of budgie provides that Um akin to how I think kd plasma Would as well so Yeah, it's it's been difficult for me in my in my linux days to switch I'm I'm one of the most basic of users When it comes to a desktop environment Um, you know, I've I can find my way through through windows 11 through mac os through ipad os through genome kde and And can pretty much find my way around to what I need on just about any desktop. Is there anything that would Is just kind of a basic uh genome shell users I I've got maybe six add-ons that that I add to my to my fedora build But is there anything compelling that would that would move me from one de to another? For I wouldn't do this question was coming to be fair like for for for what what kind of user Are we talking super super simple? I I could I could run my fedora box using genome kde. Yes. Why why would I To be to be frank. Why would I switch to budgie? Yeah, I that's that's a that's a great question. Um that quite frankly I don't know if I have the answer to um because it's just sort of something I use and I can't imagine using anything else I I think it is that familiarity that I keep Harkening back to and it's not familiarity because Of the fact that I'm a developer of it But more familiarity because I know I could translate my user experience over to other operating systems quite easily like for example windows Um, but also something that really really always makes me love love budgie is raven I love being able to open it up and whether that's on the left or right hand side because it's configurable it has your ability to Do per per application volume control, which is really handy as like sort of a in place of a mixer You could do device switching You could of course get all your notifications there and that's they're cleanly grouped into like their applications and it's all It's all nice and organized and tidy and sort of kept away And only really needed when you actually want it and of course you have really fancy stuff like media playback controls Integrated in there that I I personally quite enjoy and I think users would as well if they if they were to give that a shot So I would say I would say benefits are an intro For gnomes moving from gnomeshell to budgie tray icons That's fair if you like if you like tray icons Um, I would say that there are two up-to-date desktop environments that you would probably want to use You'd probably want to use either plasma Or you'd want to use budgie. Yeah, yeah, there's mate in their cinnamon that sort of thing, but you know budgie So it low barrier low barrier of entry if you're coming to fedora from say like windows Yeah, exactly That's you which probably makes sense why I feel so at home in the gnomeshell because Before linux was my primary operating system. It was it was mac os so The the ui feels a lot like mac os and you can even add a few extensions and whatnot to make it feel even more like that But and of course you have tiling capabilities in in gnomeshell and you don't really have that in in mac os It's just sort of like throw your windows wherever Uh, so actually that's a current extension on mac os to allow me to do tiling Kind of an oversight on apple spart, but they're not open source. So You know, it is what it is Yeah, whereas for for me I I came from like When I was young this was back in like 2008. I had my first laptop It kept blue screening so I literally typed in free operating system because I was smart enough to know what that was And I came across ubuntu which had gnome 2 and I was like, yeah, this is close enough. It has a panel Right. I can launch my applications. I have my running stuff And then from there it was like plasma And eventually it was a little bit of gnomeshell, but this sort of traditional metaphor is always something that's been really pleasing to me Okay. Yeah, and uh, so we had a question come in If uh, budgie supports weyland that is a fantastic question And I'm I'm so happy if we're going to be talking about upcoming features Um, but I'll go ahead and answer that one So so weyland is something that's being worked on. So we have it in two different ways. So, uh, campbell jones aka sarah He is a fantastic, uh team member of buddies of budgie He's working on magpie, which is sort of the the window manager that we're going to be using for budgie 10 and 11 series Going going into the future And that is going to be using a wl roots based compositor For for weyland support and we are actually going to be going weyland only Um, so no x11 support At all nice So so that's the end goal and then of course we have uh evan maddock and of myself and and others on the team that are working on other components of budgie 10 series To move that to supporting weyland for example using like live xfce windowing to do the window tracking So but yes, weyland is coming. I want weyland as well. Trust me I I don't want to be on x Any more than anybody else wants to Uh, yeah, so very exciting times going into the future, but there's no eta on that sadly Um, it's just that's one of those things where it's ready when it's ready because we have to do that The portals and all that to make sure Um, things are actually well integrated and you can do screen sharing and and all that It's almost as if in a new what my next question was and that was going to be uh upcoming features So you mentioned weyland support is on its way. Is there anything, uh, what else is there that that you want to promote? Yeah, so uh as a caveat for for those that aren't aware So right now we're working on a lot of items for budgie 10 series Now budgie 10 is based off the gnome stack. He uses gdk. It uses gnome settings daemon And we've we've sort of forked some components as we've gone on like gnome control center into budgie control center And mutter into magpie But uh, we are focused more heavily on budgie 11 So what that means is like a lot of the things that I talk about when it comes to 10 series is more small quality of life things Keep things stable, but still allows us to focus on 11 and some of these big items So when I for for budgie upcoming for the 10 series, we have like tray icon scaling So you could have more granularity in how those scale if they scale to your panel Or if they look the same as your status icons as an example Our dark theme switch in budgie desktop settings now actually changes that Free desktop actually it technically changes the gnome key for color preferences. So that'll apply throughout You know a libidway to a lib handy and flat packed applications When that's supported So that's coming up improved fuzzy searching. So so you could just type Kind of gibberish, you know, still somehow find the application you want just by keywords. So that's kind of exciting And I'm going to be working on some features for budgie screenshot So I want to have it where you could configure The default save location for files And something else I'm going to be working on is the ability to choose What screens in budgie screenshots that you actually want to take a capture of because right now if you choose screen is just everything And I don't know about you eric, but for me everything means two 4k monitors and a 1080p one And nobody is going to read anything on a screenshot that I would take of that. So So being interested take I've got a single 4k widescreen right now and Yeah, if I do entire screen, it's unreadable. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So So I want to have it where you could just take a screenshot of one particular screen So but these are like small quality of life improvements that allow us to focus on Wayland support And also allow us to focus on budgie 11. So That's it. Is there anything Is there anything worth mentioning for the fedora linux? 39 release that's coming up. I had to remember what version we were on I actually eric. I just I was thinking I don't actually have anything to share about fedora 39 You know, I was originally going to release fedora onyx for 39, but now that you mention it I'm not sure I will Scared you off for fedora onyx for those that aren't aware Is a beautiful variant Effectively of the fedora budgie spin So it's similar to how, you know, we have a fedora katie spin and then we have fedora kina white We have fedora workstation and then we have fedora silver blue And this is the equivalent where we have fedora budgie spin and now we have fedora onyx So that builds on top of you know, rpm os tree You get pond man and toolbox and everything's flat packed and it's awesome And you should totally try it when it comes out But i'm very excited about that so Yes And so I like to I like to wrap up each of our discussions with with a call to action for our audiences And for for budgie, how can people get involved in Whether it's desktop development or testing how how can folks that are really really passionate about budgie jump in and lend a hand Yes, if you go on over to buddies a budgie dot org and you click the documentation Link in the header that'll link you to our documentation center Which is built with a docu source and there we have information about getting involved Whether that's you know, it's not necessarily coding if you're multi-lingual translation genuinely do help Because I think a key thing about accessibility Is also accessibility when it comes to understanding the user interface And I think that's a really big deal. So if you if you are multi-lingual translations always welcome Um, we even have budgie backgrounds. So if you're an artist I will I welcome contributions to the budgie backgrounds I know camo who leads that would be very excited about that too Um, but of course bugs, please file bugs. Don't don't pretend or like don't Soon we already know that they exist if you encounter a bug. Please report it because I I love I have a love hate relationship with bugs. I love when users report bugs I hate the bugs themselves But the the more we could do to squash them the better So because the only good bug is a dead bug And we did have one other question pop into the chat here and that is what what is raven you've you've hinted at it a few times Yeah, raven is our widget and notification center So if you were to to install sort of a stock budgie experience, uh, you would have like a raven trigger So it show us sort of like almost like a log out icon In the the bottom right hand corner you click it and it'll show a sidebar that comes in from the the right hand side and that'll have widgets and notifications as I already explained where you would have a calendar you would have Audio output and input management So both global and per application volume as well as input device and output device selection Which is really handy if Say you jump into a slack meeting and you realize oh, yeah It didn't really connect properly with my headphones and you you have to do this entire dance And then opening up the settings and switching devices. Nope do all that through raven um So you could do that and if you're listening to to music you can manage all that through through uh raven as well play pause That sort of stuff and and going back and forward so Awesome Well before we wrap up today, is there is there anything you want to you want to say you've you've literally got the mic in front of you So, uh, anything you would like to share with folks uh Go on over to buddy's budging follow on us on mastodon if you don't have a mastodon account Create one because the fedora project is also extremely active on there Um, the team behind that does a fantastic job. So I actually want to take a moment actually to promote the fedora mastodon Um, everything else is just sort of a side effect. Okay, so if you haven't done that go go ahead and please please do That's all All right. Well, if you if uh if you're catching us, uh Sorry, I forgot what I was saying there. Goodness The the good news is here here in the united states summer is on its way out so Very much looking forward to cooler whether just allergies or kind of a byproduct of that but You know, it is it is 77 degrees fahrenheit here today. Whereas two weeks ago was 105 degrees fahrenheit. So much improved But uh, I really want to thank you josh for for joining us and for talking about budgie and the the budgie spin Really excited to to kick the tires I've actually got a gpu and one of my one of my home servers now So I might spin it up in a virtual machine and uh, and I'd give it a test drive But yeah anytime you have any news or any new features or any any help you need from the From the community at large just reach out and more than happy to have you back on the show Yeah, thank you very much again for having me on it's always a pleasure to talk about budgie desktop and of course about uh, all the exciting stuff happening in in the fedora landscape. So Much appreciate it Awesome. Yeah, and in two weeks, uh, justin w o florie will be joining me He'll we'll be talking about building the fedora community and we'll be talking about the community architect position That'll be in two weeks on the youtube channel on tuesday at what is it about five p.m. Eastern And uh, if you listen to the audio podcast, that's usually out about About midnight gmt. It depends on on how quickly I get the show notes put together and do the post processing But still looking at how to automate that process because you know, we this is 2023 We should be able to do that in an automated fashion But until then If you uh, if you haven't already be sure to hit the subscribe button And hit the bell that way you get notified every time we go live But also we've been Publishing a couple at a time the talks from fedora flock 2023. Definitely check out those sessions. I've I've admittedly I've been listening to them In order to come up with new podcast topics. So But there's some great talks. I really wish I would have been in ireland Just just about a month ago Next year we'll be in the united states. So hopefully hoping to make that one but uh until then We'll be live again in two weeks and uh, look forward to hopefully having some video and audio bumpers to go with it So until then take care and we'll see you next time