to open up the meeting of the Arlington Redevelopment Board of May 19, 2014, really we have one agenda item and then approval of minutes. Though one agenda item is to review and consider the matrix that staff has put together with respect to the LDA and the SPA for the SINS project, or I should say actually Arlington 360. And to go over that and to the extent that the board is accepting of this completion chart to consider providing a substantial completion vote to the Arlington 360 project. So Carol, do you want to kind of go through the process? Anything helpful on that? To describe how we address this. Yes, last week, Jake Upton prepared an updated spreadsheet on both the land is position agreement and the special permit conditions with the current state for most of the items being complete or actually some of them were in process as we were meeting. And Friday and today, we confirmed that some of the escrow and bonds and payments were made. We were confident they were, but we wanted to go back and double check that they had been. Because there were lots of different parties involved in this. So when I say we, I mean Laura, Wiener, and myself, with Jake, and we have a memo from. Right, and I think just to clarify, this is the matrix that Foley has put together for us. Jonathan Buck and Foley, I believe, was the author of this particular matrix when we started. And I think that's one we've been working on for a while. So we initialed, the staff initialed or identified the party who confirmed the completion for each item. So the last column on the right town of Arlington Review, you can see who is confirming the status. So why don't we just take a few minutes and just kind of go through. And then actually, I usually start with Bruce, but if someone gets through it quicker and wants to start to bring any questions. I've gone through this and appreciate Carol how, especially specifically about putting down the confirming person and everything else, I think that's great. I think, yeah, no, it's great. And I think the good news is we have been through, I'd say, 85% of these before. And really, there was just a few items that were left. So having gone through this, I have a preview of this. So I really didn't have anything. I will point out to the board that there's still a bit of work left to do down at the traffic signals. The study has been done. And I think the loop, whatever it is, the detector has been replaced. But there's still the adjustments that need to be made. So the town engineer has requested a holdback of $3,500 on the, for that. There's also a bit of warranty work on the grease and what have you. But that is all under warranty. And obviously, the condos need to be marked as regional alignment. That is ongoing. And I actually hope that this tonight's activities actually move that along very quickly. Can I point out one thing that sugar relates to the marketing? Just to be clear, it's where it says next step. So we all have an agreement that all 12 units are the pre-sale requirement. We have an agreement with our lender to get nine pre-sales with nine P&S's they'll review and approve that. And then the partnership will decide. And we've gotten consensus among the partnership that as long as it looks like everything's going to move forward and close and button up, that that would be something that would go through the approval process. So right now, just to give a quick update, I think we're at three P&S's. I think one came in today that had been signed. And there are a couple that are waiting until the P&S has been actually issued so that they know it's uncertainty about the closing date. And that type of thing. Yeah, I just want to be clear that there's still some internal sign-offs from the lender and from the equity partners on the P&S's at nine. Bruce, anything? On that subject, Jake, so in the event that there are less than nine under agreement, has the two to one, where do we go? Everybody wants to see where we are. There's a circular thing that's happening with getting the P&S's. There's seven that were out for P&S. Like I said, we have two back that have been fully executed and have been approved by the lender. So the language and the form contract is becoming more standardized. Each P&S is slightly different, but the most part we understand the parameters of that. There are a couple that are dependent on the COs. And so they're saying they're going to sign. But once the final COs are issued, and there are a couple that are pending right now, just better out there than an interested party. So it's hard to say with these interrelationships what happens. I think everybody wants to see that there are a substantial number of P&S's that are actually executed that are not contingent that are going to close. And I think everybody's looking for certainty that the market's absorbing these. And this is not going to be an impediment. The less that we have off of the nine, the more difficult the approval process probably will be internally. But everybody is communicated, you know, William, that's to move forward just with at least trying to have nine. And if we have less than that, there'll be judgment calls. But everybody seems to be. So if you're, I mean, obviously, as of June 11, I mean, if you have nine under agreement, then you contract the obligatory to close. So you, at that point. We have, with our lender, we have a pre-sale requirement of nine P&S's to be approved by our lender. Assuming that we get that approval, there's an internal partnership approval to close on the nine. And there's definitely a willingness to do that. Everybody wants to see that there's nine that are there demonstrating that the market's there and that there's likely absorption of those final three. So I guess my question is, part of my question is if you're at that point where you have nine that are under purchase and sale agreement, do you continue to market the other three for sale? Yeah, there would be a vote to close on the nine. Yeah. And that is, like I said, the form contract from the lender perspective. It looks like that's not being a problem because they've already approved two contracts. Technically, the agreement was all 12 for the pre-sale. So there will be a formal vote that would be required within the partnership and the partners individually to express a willingness to do that. They just want to see evidence that the rest of the units are going to, that the market's been demonstrated and that they're going to absorb in a relatively short period of time. OK. I had a question on the environmental remediation fund agreement. Under the requirements has no credit to do. So, yeah. So Doug Heim looked into that. Yeah. I don't know whether we took, did we not talk about that? Oh, thanks. OK. Sorry about that. He looked into that about probably two or three months ago. And what it is, is there is money there, but it will have to wait another three years. Because I think it's sort of. The testing after your show, but it's a claim for you. I think that's it. And I think that I think there was an outside date on it. I need to take a look at it. But it was a three year out date that we get to go back to Chicago title and say, hey, no one has claimed this money. We'd like it back. I don't think that's released to the town. It should get released to the town at that point. That sounds right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But there's nothing to do now. And there's nothing that we can really hold up. And that's going to survive. It has independent significance outside of this. Completion. Yeah, exactly. That will persist after this. Yeah, now it's on Adam's radar. So he's got, I'm sure, a ticklet for whatever the date is on that. OK. And I have no issue with the $3,500 holdback for the optimization of signals that that's what the town engineer says we need. And I commend everybody who's working on this. This is a very good document. Considering I missed 98% of the process. Yeah. This has been helpful. You're still part of it now. I'm part of it now. My name's Anna now. It's been being able to look at this tonight and some of the things that have been produced ahead of time have been great as far as getting up to speed. I don't really have any follow-up on what Bruce has said based on that. I'm guessing that the dead trees across from the garage drawer of the apartment building are going to be replaced at some point. Yeah, there's no warranty. And any issues about lighting and things along those lines have to do with right view and not with A360? Is that correct? Well, there's some interrelationship on the lighting between, because there's the access road. It's not called the same road. The lighting that's been installed was per the photometrics plan and per the original permits. Now, there was some questions from an NPP perspective about the light shades. And because it's on a slope and the angles that the light's actually on with the slopes. And there was additional shielding that was put on those lights. And then a bright view as a separate special permit, we felt that those issues were resolved. And then when bright view came on with their lights, I know that there's been discourse back and forth to with the neighbors and some issues. I guess just to be clear, that isn't anything that we need to look at tonight. No, so the lighting issues that have kind of come up are actually extraneous of the L&A. I know that they've been contentious. I just want to share that with you. Because if they're in line with the photometric plan, then they're within what's been approved already. Exactly. You gave shields to bright view there, correct? We installed a number of shields to work with the neighbors and thought we'd resolve that. Then when bright views lights kind of compounded, I guess, the issue right in that particular area, we gave permission and gave the actual specifications for buying the permanent fixed shades that they go in. And so they're in the process of ensuring those. I don't think that for some reason it takes forever to get those. We went through the process when we got them. We overordered and we had some extra ones, which we also put up in different places to sort of try to make the whole plan work as best we could without compinging the safety issues. And so we've given permission to bright view. I think they have a requirement from the building inspector to install a few of the shields. And I know that they're waiting for those now as part of their closeout of their project. I don't know where exactly that order is with them. We're going to go through the same type of matrix with bright view, right? We'll go through a similar one. I don't think it'll be quite as, it just isn't as much as, you know, I think frankly, I think it's going to be more with bright view for them to come back and make sure that they've done everything that, you know, the last meeting we need to make sure that they're more satisfied. I actually took a drive there this weekend. You know, they've done work on the circle, they've done, yeah. So I think it looks actually good. The straight print went in today. Straight print? Oh, where's the straight print? Oh, for bright view, right, right, right.  No, they did an infrared. Yep. Yeah. That's good. For the company, probably not the friendly animals up there or from Disney. Great. Christina. So I saw that the dead trees are on here. There are a lot of dead plants. So I'm just wanting to know what your schedule is on, especially on the lower Vista Park, the more public areas. I know that the installer has been on site, sorry, it was on site. They did a lot of extra hydro seating. The new erosion control pieces have been put in place. The bark barriers are supposed to be here. I didn't see that, yeah. And so I know that there are, there's some material that's on order that's all under warranty and the ministries are just starting to release over the last couple of weeks to release new plant material. So I just don't know where exactly they are. There are sections that were done by a different landscape company. And those were the ones that were done as part of the forest restoration plan and the enhancement in the buffer zone. And that company is now the management contract. So we're also waiting for those plant and jails and the ones that are crossed from the garage are the ones that were planted by that company. We have retainage on both. So they're all under warranty as well. So we're confident and we have like $8,000 of retainage on that. So we're comfortable replacing. What did make it through the winter? It was a tough winter. Yeah, you might need the 80,000. We might. A lot of graver grains, unfortunately, got zapped. Yeah, planting lathes and cold winter. It was a hard, hard winter in a lot of different ways. Yeah, it was. Okay. Just so they don't hang out too long if you've got it in your radar, that's good. Yeah. Speaking of retainage, do we have any retainage? Yeah, so that was something I was gonna go over after we just got everybody's comments. We had a hundred or something. Right, we've got a hundred. And I can go over what's left and talk about what makes sense. But before I do, Carol, did you have anything in order to go over? Yes, I, you know, it's well known that the butters have issues with the lights. And I don't think any of us at this table, maybe Bruce saw the photometrics for the residential component. I know the board, that's true, Andy would have seen them. I know the board saw the photometrics for Brightview. I don't think that the board ever saw or understood or considered whether the Sims road lights that were shown on a Brightview photometrics were supposed to be just with Brightviews, the effective Brightviews lighting. So I'm about to conclude to hit the punchline. If, when the, we can find the photometrics sheet for the residential. If there is a concern, if by looking at the paper and looking at measurements, if the board has a concern, I believe the board could always reopen the special permit. It, you know, there's no reason to necessarily think that this is the last that can be ever said about the lighting if there is a real variance. I'm saying this for the benefit of Beth Ann Freeman who's here. I know it has been a concern. Isn't it not true that in a few weeks or months or a year, if that were shown to be quite different, the board could reopen the special permit, could it not? Yeah, I think anything that gets out of line with the special permit could of course come back up. I'm saying, I'm asking this because I'm sure that at this point that the butters are feeling a little anxiety about perhaps what if we don't get this addressed now. And I believe that it's not as urgent to get it addressed at this very moment. Though I don't mean that with any disrespect for your concerns, but there are two photometric plans and I don't think we even considered whether they were cumulative or whether the Sims Road effect on each was representing both the MOB parcel lighting, which is now bright view and residential. So I wanted to put that out and if the board or, well, I can address some of those issues is that the photometric plan was engineered and it was the same engineer that bright view had, same to the land engineer, Bills and Thomas. So I do believe that the lighting was coordinated. I do know that there are affidavits that have been submitted as part of the building permit process, that what was designed inspect those specifications were consistent with the plan and that the plan was built. Now, I know that there's issues about whether the light is flowing in the direction as it was intended and that made, you know, that's a question that is out there. There have been some questions about whether the lights that were actually specified have been installed and are operating in the way that they were intended to. I think both bright view and Arlington 360 have had representations from their consultants and from their general contractors and installers that yes, they are consistent. So I think that there may be an issue where people, you know, what was designed and approved was built.  I know that bright view and I don't want to speak for them because they have their own process and their own management that's doing that, but I do, we have talked to them and they've represented that their consultants have certified that it's consistent with the town bylaw and they meet the bright skies or whatever the terminology is and that they built what was approved in their plan and they have certified that and with affidavits. So I'm not trying to say that there's not an impact. The cumulative impact may be bigger than what was intended and that may need to be addressed. I think we've all tried to address it in our own way to minimize the impact. No one has an interest of, you know, taking off the neighbors. So there are some life safety components to this which makes it difficult, but I think that the dialogue has been open and there's been a lot of discussion amongst the parties to try to resolve it and I think that people would like to resolve it. I mean, just from an MPP perspective, I've had an incredible amount of time spent on life and initially it was very clear where the MPP, it said that the light couldn't basically go beyond the property line. So in that initial phase, we identified the neighbors that had the issues with the light coming over the line and there was a long discourse about that and that's when Allington 360 came in and put shields up and we tested and then we went a little further and tweaked them a couple of different times. As I said, there's been a huge amount of discussion about this. Once that was done and Allington 360 was in compliant with the MPP, everything seemed to be going along a lot better and then Brightview put on all their lights and it's like going right back to square one. Allington 360 already had their temporary CO when the Brightview stuff came up. So in order for Brightview to get their temporary CO and the building commissioner came up and did an inspection and said, you've gotta address these lights and they ended up putting temporary shields in a bunch of their courtyard lights but they also put temporary shields on several of the lights at Allington 360 because their lights made enough brightness to go into the neighbors areas that they then were not in compliance. So on the day that they were issued the CO they put up all the temporary lighting, I mean the temporary shielding and once that was in place, I actually met them and hand-delivered the CO from the building about it with the understanding that they were gonna come back and do the permanent shield. So at this point Brightview hasn't found any of their permanent shielding but they do have the temporary yet. And we asked them getting calls and complaints from the neighbors. Most recently was about 10 o'clock this morning. Right, so I guess I just wanna talk about process for a second. I mean, what we're talking about here is the SPA and the LDA, and certainly we have further, et cetera. But in order, the exercise that we're trying to do is within each of those documents, it says that it needs to be substantially complete for the final CO to be provided. And so therefore, or we have to say it's substantially complete. And so my own view of that is that means was that, was each thing that is specific to the redevelopment board been completed, which is the LDA and the special permit chart that we have in front of us. The lighting is kind of a separate issue in my mind in that it does affect the NPP at first, but then the shields go up. Once we say it's complete, then it moves into bylaw and whatever it is that the building inspector knows. In other words, if there's a bylaw issue, then the building inspector will need to address that. If the building inspector has some other issues with safety or health or what have you, then he can on his own do whatever. But what he's looking for us to do is talk about has it conformed to the LDA and the special permit. And those things are here. It's really him relying on the affidavits from the consultants that have to do with the lighting more than it does us saying that the lighting's okay, because we're not the experts on lighting, right? We can't, at least I know I am, I'm no expert on lighting. So from that perspective, that's kind of the exercise that we're trying to accomplish tonight in my view. So, you know, just, I've gone around the table, Carol, anything else? Nope. Before I just get- Just very briefly, the NPP- Should I get your name and- Oh, Beth Ann's Free Plan. And I'm both a neighbor and a member of SNAP. NPP is part of those documents. Absolutely. And so the NPP's saying that there should be no lights billage onto a neighbor's property with boundaries. If that's not being conformed to, then, I mean, that's not a separate issue. I mean, the NPP is still part of these documents. So, thanks for that comment. So that's, you know, how I'm viewing it. And that's why my concern is that you're saying, oh, that has nothing to do with it. You know, what's our recourse then? So then- It's a pressing study. Alasa, does any time represent- Do you have any other issues under the- So long as these shields are all in place and they don't go over the property line, then they, in my view, of the NPP, they're in compliance. The question that's been raised more recently, and I'm not an expert, I'm not a lighting engineer. No, I'm not an expert. One of the neighbors went around with a lighting meter. And the readings that she did were what she said, they were inconsistent with what was shown on the plan. And again, I'm not an engineer. I didn't participate, so I can't really comment on that. So she has the plan? She had some plan. She had a photometrics plan that was done before Brightview was planned to be there. So when it was going to be all residential. Okay, well, that's different then, than the final plan. Well, I don't know if there's another one after that when Brightview came in, you know, Brightview. Well, Brightview did it. Yeah, but she's so the, but an important point here is, is that the building inspector will rely on affidavits from the different consultants and everyone else who are doing these things. Really what the building inspector was looking for from us, I just wanna, I still, once again, see if I can't, maybe I'm not explaining this well enough, but he's more on all of the things that are not in your typical builder inspector purview, health, safety, done according to plan, okay? Built according to plan is, really the building inspector's job is to figure that piece out. What he was asking the arm to do was to be able to say that outside of those things that are in my purview, okay? The built according to plan, built according to plan health and safety of any occupants redevelopment board. Have we covered everything? Okay, so that's kind of the distinction I'm trying to make here and I don't know whether I'm doing a good job or not, so. And I think you are right, and I think the, you know, what's different about this project, I guess a lot of things are different about this project, but we've got an extensive list of negotiated items with the developer that the building inspector isn't really in a position to verify it. So he's saying, okay, redevelopment board, you were the ones who said, well, for example, you know, payment of minimum taxes to the town or record conservation restriction, monitoring well. All the stuff that's on the matrix is stuff that the building inspector isn't usually looking at when he's evaluating a building permit to completion or a special permit process. So he's asking us to report to the building inspector and spectral services that these things are done, which is why the items that are on the list are here and it doesn't go back and incorporate all the other building stuff. And so for example, we are not in a position, you know, not only to evaluate the lighting, but the foundation mix and all the construction stuff.  So that's the other piece that goes into his thinking and those are things that we don't have to address either. So he's either, and the things that we have to address, he can't get affidavits for. So what is he getting affidavits for exactly? Do we know? It would be things like from the engineers with respect to lighting. So lighting, something from the landscape, understructs, yeah, design, safety code, training. So do we have all the affidavits in already or do we care? We don't care. Is that part of the closing? It's part of the final CO process. It is part of the final CO. But not all. But we care that there was that. Yeah, I'm just curious where we are. The building adventure has to be part of it. So he's still working on it. When we say it's complete, it's only in respect to the arms. He's received them in order to, he's received most of them as part of the TCO. There's probably some more that he's getting as part of the final closeout. Okay. So through the final CO. I know last time we talked he didn't have the landscape ones, for instance. I'm wondering if he has those now. Right, he will by the time he issues. If he doesn't already. Yeah, yeah. For those in order to have the TCO, he wanted all the safety requirements for the lighting, the directional signs, and everything else to be done. And now those are completed. So those affidavits are already in. Those relate to the lights on since road. What are not in, not necessarily, I don't know where shelter and bright views affidavits are exactly. Because that's their project and their special permit. Yeah, we'll ask them when they come in. So as far as recourse for the lights, we've already said that they could reopen the special permit, we could reopen the special permit if we need to address the lights. The building inspector. The recourse is really with the building inspector. He's the first recourse. If there's not satisfaction there. I think you'll have to do that before. It's not ours. That's what I'm saying. We're not an enforcement body here. You know, we tell the inspector what to expect. We tell the inspector what to expect. And then he has to see whether it conforms to that or not. And if it does, then he can, you know, provide the CO or whatever document he's being requested to provide. If it doesn't, then, you know, he can deny it. So, but in the end, you know, in the way that he judges that oftentimes is with an affidavit from somebody. You know, an expert that says, you know, under penalties of perjury, I say that it meets the plan or something like that. So, and it meets the bylaw or what have you. So, really that's what he's getting. But in the end, that's not this part. Our part is more of, okay, the LDA and the Special Permit had a bunch of stuff that the building inspector does not usually deal with. Okay, redevelopment board. Are we good? So. Okay, just because we have a resident here, I wanted to just know what the process for the residents will be once we do this. It's really like anybody else. I know it's not up to us necessarily. It's really the same process as anybody else who has a problem with the light. It's a bylaw, I have to do that. So, can I just ask a question? Does the bylaw take precedent over the MPP or does the MPP take precedent over the bylaw? So, if the MPP says there's no light spillage onto naked property and a bylaw doesn't necessarily address spillage over the bylaw. The MPP affects construction. And the construction is over. Well, that sounds like an issue. But I'm not sure. Yeah, it's not, though. I mean, that's the process. That's not your issue. It may not be our issue, but if there is light spillage and the MPP said no light spillage, they're gonna get an affidavit that says there's no. If the lights aren't functioning as they were designed to do and it's determined that they need to be fixed. And light spillage is part of that. Right. If that's what they're concerned is. The other name of this question is on intensity. And I don't, if you say that, I don't care. That's what the spillage is, intensity. Well, no. That's a different issue. Intensity and ability. I really don't want to go down a raffle here. Well, just because we're talking about it, I want to understand it also. I understand, but it's really about process at this point. I understand that. Yeah. Yeah, I understand that. Where one stop, this has to stop at one point and something else has to pick up right after. And I think at this point, in my opinion, I'll put it like that. And obviously the board can weigh in however it wants. But from my perspective, we're at a jumping off point. And it has to come at some point. And I think personally, my view is, is we are there. And I agree with you. But I just want to make sure that there's going to be resolution to the lights at some point. I'm hearing that we don't want the neighbors to be upset. We're going to make sure there's no spillage, the intensities of the issue versus spillage. We're going to make sure that the lights are functioning for the plan and not differently than that. But we've built the plan. And according to the pilot. I don't know exactly what the pilot says about lights. Well, the other thing that's complicating is that the original lights were a lot. I mean, during the permanent process, the lights that were in the road before were the town lights. And there was much greater casting of light. So at that time, this was consolidating the lights in their throw of light, or that was the original. You mean with the hospital, the original hospital? It is difficult because a number of people are new to the process and have moved in since those plans were done and are used to a certain condition in the transition of the project. There's been different expectations. And it's just taken a long time to process. So there's also a new bylaw, I think, about lights. There's a lot of variables. That's why I can't say I like that. And it's what makes it difficult for it. It's very difficult. It's not so cut and dry. It's just not clear. So the other thing I was going to say is with respect to, Carol, I think this chart's great. Thank you very much to you, Laura, and everybody else for getting into it and checking everything off. I think it looks great. Exactly, I really appreciate it. With respect to the holdback, there's been a couple of things that we've talked about. And the traffic engineer specifically wants a $3,500 holdback. There's potentially a little bit of a regrade. There's other things that could happen over the course of the next month. We have the marketing of the condos still going on. So my recommendation to the board would be that we actually hold back $10,000 and release $90,000 of the completion for potentially the next month until the condos are sold. Is this from the retainage? Yeah. From the $100,000? From the $100,000. So $90,000 would be released. Does it even have completion on? Completion posted.  OK, this is a. Yeah, it's a payment that was made at the beginning of construction through the construction loan process to the town. The original intention was that if the project got stopped along the way and the town had to step right and secure a site, get erosion control in place, or do whatever they needed to do, there was some resources there. Yeah, actually, it was probably right before you got here, Christine. This was a big deal because the last time it happened, there wasn't enough money to even do erosion control and everything else. So they wanted to make sure we wanted to make sure that there was enough that if the government, the project went sideways yet again, that we would have enough to at least secure the site. Because back then, too, there was a security issue with the site, too, and the thought was with the $100, we could at least take care to secure the, well, I'm not sure we could have, but we could have tried. We could have tried a little bit harder. Put it in softballs until the economy turned around. So that's what it was for. So it was, I'm sorry, you were using the word retain inject. I'm not in your industry. I forget what that is. That is something to hold on to. 10% of the construction cost usually. And probably to you, that would have been a lot bigger. I'd put a land savings, 10% maybe. We should have done 10%. That would have been a lot better. But you're warming Jake's heart. Exactly. Let's go back. So anyway, so my thought is, obviously the 35, I just want a little bit more head room than that in case of unforeseen things come up. So my thought, but I do believe that we're down to the smaller things. So I think 10 makes sense on that. So that's all I had. Let me ask just one other question to the designated town representative since you were kind enough to come tonight. So outside lighting and that type of thing, as far as the MPP is concerned, as we kind of go through this list and everything else, are you good? I like the 360 is good. Brightview still has some of that going on. But I like the 360 is all set. And I did send a letter to that effect to Jake. And I think it was included in the package. It was. I just wanted to, since you were kind enough to come, I appreciate it. So great. By the way, we also received, actually, we should say this too, and maybe even include them in the record, is the letters from the concom and the land trust. I think we got one from Brian Revrig, as well as from the court of that administrator of the Conservation Commission. And I don't have them here. Carol, maybe we can, after the fact, put them in. Because I think that would be a good document. I have a copy of the one from Corey. Great. And I would like to point out that in that, Christine was absolutely, that they were most appreciative, as are we, with Christine Sapinski's help in all of the CR type of stuff. Thank you very much. Because I know I couldn't have done any of that. So thank you very much for your help. I can't do your stuff either. So thanks. Nor do I want to. Yeah, exactly. Soon enough. You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you. OK, so any other discussion? Board members? OK, then I would like to entertain.  That would essentially say exactly what we've talked about tonight. Just have a couple of small nits down below, Carol. Maybe I'll initial this one, or you can initial the next one I'm on behalf of. Sure. That's clean enough for you. Thank you. And the long and the short of it is the punch line is, the ARB therefore affirms that all of its conditions have been met, meaning the Land Disposition Act agreement and the special permit have been met. $90,000 can be released from the escrow account to cover the above, meaning the $3,500. And any other unforeseen items over the next month. So I guess I would like to entertain a motion to do so much of what we've talked about here with the completion, as well as to authorize me to initial this.  Why over the next month? Just to give a sense for when we would expect to release the remainder of the 10. Another way to say that is when you expect it to be done. Even better. Yeah. OK, I've got a motion. I've got maybe two motions. So OK, even better. The first motion is, with respect to the Land Disposition Agreement, special permit, the Conservation Agreement, and the Side Letter Agreement pertaining to Arlington 360's redevelopment at the former Sims Hospital site, I move that the ARB issue a certificate of substantial completion as to the requirements of such documents, what the following provises. A, the marketing of the condominium unit shall continue through June 11 of 2014. And B, the sum of $10,000 shall continue to be withheld from the completion escrow to cover the cost of completing item, special permit condition 5B, and other unforeseen items that may arise over the next month. It's motion one. Motion two is to move that the chair be authorized to initial the memorandum of May 19, 2014 with respect to the retaining of $10,000 out of the completion escrow for item 5B of the special permit and other unforeseen items, the remaining $90,000 to be released to the developer. Great. And also, it's to the director of inspection. The memorandum to the director of inspectional services. You mentioned the conservation commission. Should you mention the ALT at the same time? I mentioned the conservation agreement. Well, the conservation agreement. Yeah, which is sort of taking my cue from what's written here. In general, I can write that all out for you tomorrow. Horrible. You better write it out tonight. But I don't think anybody else would be able to. No, no, we'd be going around in circles and arrows and so on. Do you have a second? Can we do a two for? I'll second. Did you want to second? That's fine. You can do one and one. Yeah, exactly. I'll second the first one. I'll second the second. OK, great. All in favor of the first motion? Aye. All in favor of the second motion? Aye. Great. OK. So that's done. I'm going to initialize. The first and quake, just so you know. Do not. Thank you. Well, thank you so much for your hard work. Thank you. And yours. Yes, all of yours. Thank you very much. It's been a long haul. It has, thank you. We'll wait till we're done with the next one. Yeah, thank you very much. We appreciate it. And champagne. You guys did a lot more than you did. Thank you. I don't know. It's been a lot better. I think the neighborhood pride had more meetings than we were. Sure. I was here an awful lot on the last day of the year. There was a lot out there where we were, yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you, Rick. Thanks, Rick. Take care. Thanks, Jake. Oh yeah, and what else would I do? Thank you. Go on to Jamaica. No, I'm not sure. He's Ben. OK, so we close out that one. Andy, could Andy miss that? Oh, yeah. OK, next item, Approval of Minutes. So these are the May 12, 2014 minutes. So timely. Yeah, go ahead and start. OK, let's start first with a question on the documents used. We set the signed proposal. Do we need, I mean, the nine photographs that Mr. Koholy, if I'm saying his name correctly, brought with him. Do we need to also to mention the materials that were in our packet with the before and after sort of the photo shop? Is that the signed proposal? Oh, is that the signed proposal? I don't know what else is signed proposal. Yeah, OK, I'm happy with that then. If it's dated, as long as it's dated and identified, we should state who prepared it. Yeah, you could use some more information around it, I think, if you take a look. Do you need a copy? You could add a date to that. I don't have the minutes. Well, I think we can share. We can share. We can write on this if you want. So add date, is that all we want to add? And who prepared the signed company? That's what we usually do. OK, and I had another, I'm not really sure of myself here, but the proponent, Mr. L. Cahouli, my sense is his name may be E-L in space or hyphen in Cahouli. And I'm not sure if anybody else caught that, but I think that might be the correct spelling. And then second of the last paragraph on page one, it does summarize what I said, but it doesn't state that I actually made the motion and I did move at the board. So I would just, more it says removed, turn that into a comma and then add the following. And moved that the board grant the special permit for signage as requested, subject to the foregoing conditions. Sorry, I'm lost. Oh, OK, so the second and the last paragraph on page one. Which is Mr. Fitsum is summarized? You wanted to say moved. Well, what I was going to do is, it's OK to say summarize, because I think I did summarize it, but then at the very end where it says removed period, turn the period into a comma and then add the following. And moved that the board grant the special permit for signage as requested, subject to the foregoing conditions. Subject to the foregoing conditions? Conditions. Which were that the lights can't be LED, the decals and the fence signs that had been removed, stay removed. And then lastly, on the Arlington 360 spot, just not quite sure if Grandscapes, was that the correct name? No, it's Groundscapes. Groundscapes. I have that on this copy too. She got it right later on. OK. That's all I had. OK, I have just a few more. So on the first page, the paragraph that starts with Chris Loretty, at the last sentence, we mentioned with a specific memo justifying their decision. Do we need to explain that anymore? A specific memo? Is that a memo from? I don't know what that is. It was his point. From the chair. I mean, from the director planning. He was saying that the director planning was supposed to give us a. From the director of planning. Memorandum. Justifying their decision. Actually, I don't know. I don't know. But I think what Mr. Loretty was saying was that in order to exceed the number of signs, the planning director is supposed to give the ARB a heads up. OK. A memorandum. Which she did. We have a memorandum. So then on the back, the 360 list, one, two, three, fourth bullet on the steep slopes for clarity of invasive weeds. I'd like to scratch on the second sentence there. It should just say Japanese knotweed is present. It can be treated by ground scapes. They are proposing a multi-year program for knotweed, honeysuckle, and bittersweet invasives as well. So that's the way I'd like that to read. I think that would make more sense. And then the next bullet, update to force management plan is due. Jake had mentioned that he was scheduling the arborist for May 30th. So if you put that in there. And the arborist is scheduled. Scheduling the arborist, Jake Upton stated is scheduling the arborist for May 30th. Because it did throw out that date. OK. On the next bullet, after thermoplastic markings will be installed on the road. I just wanted to add installed. Then checks have been delivered to the land trust totaling 40,000. We should add totaling 40,000, I think. So if I've got two checks, it's going to be nice to leave the. OK. On the second to the last bullet, groundscapes advised to leave the brush below the lower Vista Park in place to stabilize the slopes. So I want to insert below the lower Vista Park so we know where that is. There's brush in other areas, I think, too. So then two other things he did mention, too. I wanted to add a bullet. The marketing trailer site is being seeded and trees are being planted this week. He had told us that. And he had also mentioned the condo sale. There were two purchase and sales and seven out. So I wanted to add those, too. Mr. Upton said shelter confirmed that their lights meet the plan. So this is two sentences down from the bullets. I thought he had said Brightview is installing shields that were provided, but he didn't say that tonight. He said Brightview had installed temporary shields. He doesn't want to speak for Brightview, I think. But they did install temporary shields. I think he had told us that. We talked about it that night. Well, that's what Rick Gallagher confirmed. Yeah, so Brightview has installed temporary shields. That were provided. That's it. The only comment I've got on this is the third from the final paragraph. Mr. Care asked the availability of board members for a meeting on May 19, 2014. He asked that staff meet with Mr. Upton to review. I think what I asked is for you to review the completion matrix. And that staff advised the ARB. I just want to make sure that it's not. Mr. Upton is advising us. Yeah, we're all done. Yeah, exactly. Surprise, surprise. I think we're fine. And that staff advised the ARB in their vote that the project is substantially complete. I just want to separate those two notions a little bit. And that's what I have. So motion to accept doesn't move. So moved. Seconded. All in favor? Aye. I think that's all we have on the old agenda for this evening. I'd like to make a motion to adjourn. That's all. Very nice motion. Now we'll entertain that motion. Second? Second. Second. Mr. Boonell. All in favor? Aye. Aye.


Boom! What's up? My name is Gix. Welcome to another video, guys. So, in today's video, we are going to talk about Rocket Lab, Ticket Symbol RKLB. So, this is the stuff that we cover here on the channel when they announced that we're going to go public through a merger with Vector Acquisition. So, I did that video here on the channel. That merger went through last, just past August, I think it was August 23rd when the merger completed. And so, now Rocket Lab is trying to make some moves, so I want to make sure that we cover that here on the channel. But before we get started, guys, if you're new to the channel, we took about how to earn money, how to save money, how to invest and build wealth. So, if you have something that interests you, go ahead and hit that subscribe button and your notification bell so you don't miss out on new content. So, when it comes to Rocket Lab, again, this is a company that I personally think that fits what Kathy Wood is doing with her Act Invest ETF, the Space Exploration. And so, it's a company that sends maybe satellites and other equipment to space. They have rockets, so one of their main rockets is the electron and then they have the neutron as well. So, this company, again, is up and coming. So, when they made the announcement, they were going public, I said, for people that want to get into that space, this would be one that you can definitely take a look at. So, I want to jump right here and just show you guys some news about this because Rocket Lab just won a contract with NASA, which is awesome. So, if we just read a little bit about the details here, NASA will send an advanced composite solar cell system known as the ACS-3 to orbit in mid-2022, a board rocket lab electron vehicle as part of a mission with other small satellites to other customers. So, this is the electron rocket that NASA uses. You can see the specs here. I mean, I'm not going to bore you guys with the details of that, but it's just safe to say that the fact that they have this contract with NASA or they want this contract with NASA, that's putting them out there giving them that exposure and now they can put it under the belt that we have the credibility to do all these different projects. Again, they have competition from companies like SpaceX, which is out there coming strong too. So, definitely not something to just brush, but here is where I think that if this happens to Rocket Lab, this stock is going to see a massive jump. But again, until this happens, I cannot assure you that this is going to spike. If you guys remember the Kathy Wood with her act invest, the space exploration ETF, these are the companies that are currently on that particular ETF. So these are what I call composition of that ETF. So you can see here, Palantir, some big names that we know, Amazon, Netflix. So then here is where I think that this company can benefit from. If Rocket Lab gets added to this list of companies by Kathy Wood, I bet you it's going to skyrocket because right now it's on the list and they're doing big things. So I'm anticipating that maybe someday Kathy Wood is going to add that to this ETF, but until then, all you have to do is just sit and wait because you never know. I don't know how she goes about selecting what companies she puts on here. I mean, she has like the big name Lucky Martin here, Unity Software. So again, Netflix, I'm thinking for a space exploration. I don't know what Netflix does in that space, but I'm not smart enough. I don't have the technology and the capability to be able to analyze this company like she does with her team of analysts and the resources that they have. But just from my own perspective, when I look at it, it's like, hey, I think Rocket Lab belongs on this list. So again, this is one and it's currently really cheap right now. If we can just go here and take a look at where Rocket Lab is currently trading today. I'm sitting somewhere at about $15.19 and this thing actually got up today and made a little spike up to close to $16. It just got up here to about $15.91 for high and then pulled back. There was like a really massive spike to the downside before starting to curl back up a little bit, but still sitting at about $15.00 and some change. So for a long-term position, in my personal opinion, again, guys, this is not, I'm not saying this is a swing because if you wanted to swing this, yesterday would have been a very good opportunity to do it. But right now, if you're going into this, start thinking long term. Again, you start small and average your way into the stock. And I've said this over and over. If you want to get into a position on long term, don't just take all your liquidity and dump it at once. Average your way into a stock. So if you have $1,000, so buy $200 or $250 and then wait for that dip. You buy another $250, wait for a dip. You buy another $250 and average your way into the stock and that will give you a better cost average on your entry point. So that's just something that I want you guys to keep in mind. So basically, again, today, the reason why you probably see Rocket Lab surging is because of the contract with NASA to actually bring some of your solar sales system to orbit again. So that's just the key thing here. But again, in my personal opinion, I think Rocket Lab has an upside competing with Space X of the world, but they have an upside because right now the fact that they're able to beat and win contracts like this. I mean, I mean, NASA trusts them, believe in the technology, believe in the rocket, and so you want to see them get added to Cathie Wood. And again, this is a stretch, guys. If Cathie Wood can add this particular stock to the ETF, I think it would give the stock a massive boost. So that that's, again, just my my personality. So again, when you're getting into Rocket Lab, this is a long term play. This is not just like a quick win to average your weight into the stock. I like it because I like the technology. I like what they're doing. I like if I get able to compete with some of the big names and actually win a contract with NASA. That's no joke. That tells me a lot more about what they have as a team that can go up against the Space X's and Blue Origins of the world. So again, that's just my personality. And again, I'm hoping that Cathie Wood can see this as a catalyst to start adding Rocket Lab to their space exploration ETF. And if that happens again, a stretch, but that would be a good catalyst for the stock. So I'm averaging my weight into it and hopefully hold a position. I don't want to hold. I'm not going to go big on this, but I'm going to hold a position and keep adding as I have liquidity. But other than that, let me know in the comment section, did you trade it or are you buying long term? Let me know what your thoughts are. Do you agree with me that if Cathie Wood add this thing into her space exploration, ETF is going to explode or you're thinking, Mr. V, you are crazy. Again, let me know in the comment section if you're new here, we talk about how to earn money, how to save money, how to invest and build wealth. So that's something that interests you. Go ahead and hit that subscribe button and the notification bell so you don't miss out on new content. Also, guys, if you're looking to get some investing or even with crypto, put the links in the description below. You can go through either Webo or you can go through SoFi. I mean, there's so many options. All I want you to do is get involved in the market, slowly build wealth in the market. 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On the Ground, presented by theCUBE. Here's your host, John Furrier. Hello everyone, I'm John Furrier with theCUBE. We are On the Ground in Seattle for IBM's Open Computing Architecture Summit. And here at Kim Banner with Blue Box, acquired by IBM. Welcome to our On the Ground, so I'm good to see you. Hey, good to see you too. So obviously we've been big fans of Blue Box. Prior to the IBM acquisition, because Jesse and you guys done such a great job and very relevant now, what's the update? Now that you're inside IBM, are you been accepted in? Have you been blue washed? Are you operating separately? How is it working? Explain to the folks watching what the update is. So I've known Jesse for a couple years and because of the IBM acquisition, it was an interesting thing for me to join. And so things have been great. We did transfer visits in May. Not sure if I'm allowed to say that, I'm sure I am. And now we're at IBM Blue Box, so we're in product inside of IBM Cloud. And so a lot of what we're building on top of that is going to have Blue Box underneath it, which is fantastic. And so dedicated in a local option. So truly a lot of good times going on. So integration in terms of teams, what does that mean? Does it mean now you're in all the systems? Is it product integration across different groups? What specifically? Earlier this year, so we did two big releases back in November. And then right after that, we got to work in January of re-aligning all of our groups of Blue Box inside of IBM. And so we're truly all reporting through to other great people inside of IBM Cloud and get a lot done.  How does Blue Box and IBM fit into that context? Because there was conversations between IBM as a unified message, but what does Blue Box fit in there? So Blue Box is really the underpinnings of a lot of the IBM Cloud strategy. And that's what got me excited to join IBM. And Blue Box, obviously. So we are the IaaS based on OpenStack. And so I'm a huge proponent of open source and enterprise customers are also a huge passion for me that's my background. So it fit really nicely. And so what are some things you're working on right now at Blue Box and IBM? So we're working on a lot of customer POCs, which have gone fantastic. And our advocate team is great about that. Truly hands-on, getting in front of customers. We're also speaking at a lot of conferences. So if you see anybody on my team, nine times out of 10, they're not going to be in their home city. So talk about for a minute, I want to share the kind of engagements that you guys have with customers because with the open source component, it isn't your normal corporate kind of supplier relationship. There's a lot of collaboration involved. How do you guys support? How do you engage with the customers and how do ultimately they get the solutions to market? Gotcha. So we're integrated pretty well and we work really closely with our offering management, our product teams inside of IBM. But we really go out there and listen and bring back and we are the customer advocate our team is to bring back the types of things they want to see in the roadmap or the types of things they'd love to be able to play with and do. And so we try to help them with that. And head count in terms of team growth, I guess that's some growth there. Yeah, I mean, when Blue Box was acquired, I think we were right at 60 and now we're way over 120 now and still growing. So it's pretty exciting. So talk about this open compute architecture summit here that's here at IBM 7. What is this all about? Oh gosh, we wanted to bring in some of the greatest minds in the community to really have a conversation with our customers and have it be less of a product pitch about IBM, but more about how invested we are into open source. And I tell you, John, I wouldn't be here if we weren't fully in. And it's a great time to be at IBM, I have to say. Angel's fantastic, I just interviewed him and we've been following that, and I'm cloud outside you guys as well as. It's exciting because it's a new generation of delivery, but also technologies there. And there's a huge tsunami of new opportunities like IoT, mobile, and certainly Docker brings the application piece to it. So that's cool, but still, stuff has to run under the hood and it's still going to be done in the open. So what are you finding from customers as they scratch their head and saying, okay, I buy open source. I know IBM's had a lot of presence there, but I still want to be agile, but I don't want stuff to break. I still got to operate this stuff. I'm not going to reduce my SLAs. So I want good SLAs, I want good operations. What are they asking for? What are you here? Perfect questions for that. So Blue Box, as you know, is private cloud as a service. So it's based on OpenStack. We've had so many customers try to work with OpenStack and in OpenStack and they failed, right? It's not very easy to manage at scale in some of these larger customers. So they come to us and say, we love the agility, we love to be able to scale it. Can you help us with that? And so that's where we fit. So it's a perfect fit. Can you give an example of someone who's helped or you don't have to name companies, but like the situation and where it worked for them? Yeah. So gosh, who do I want to pick? Pick your favorite. Yeah, so a gaming company as an example. They really wanted the speed and the ease of use and speed and they didn't want to manage it themselves and they had data that they needed to make sure that it didn't get out to the general public. And so Private Cloud was something that they had messed around with a little bit in the past and it didn't really work that well. And so they came to Blue Box and said, hey, can you help us with this? And so they wanted to be in OpenStack without having to be a cloud company. And so they're really focused on what they can do. I was talking with Mariana Tessa last night who was the now running strategy at Docker. She was VP of engineering. We were talking about the choices now out there for developers, certainly all kinds of young and old school guys like me. But the reality is there's so much stuff. How do you talk about that with people and saying, what's groups to join? How do they engage? How does someone figure out where to play in the open source community? Is there best practices in terms of looking for things? Like do I want to join that group? Should I join OpenStack? What about this? I love this whisk thing, but people might need some navigation. What's your thoughts? What I'm finding is, so I've been running technical user groups for years and we run Cloud Foundry and I love that IBM was involved in Cloud Foundry and obviously OpenStack as well. I always tell folks, come to a meetup, we'll go with you, get to know the community, that kind of thing. And that's the best way to really learn. A lot of people don't learn by reading release notes or reading GitHub notes instead of an open repository. I think that you've got to talk to other people who are using it and that's the best way. And get a feel for who's in the community. Absolutely. That's where the meetups give you an immersion. And you have people, right? It's not just faceless, user names instead of GitHub, right? So that's what I always tell people. Okay, so I got to ask a final question. What are you most excited about right now in the industry and open source in general? What is really... I'm excited about everything. Is there a top three favorite child? I mean, come on, you have to... I really love what we're doing with the IBM Container Engine. I learned more about it this week at AccraCon that I'd ever known before and so I'm really curious to see what our customers think, so. Kim, thanks so much for sharing some time with us here in Cube on the Ground. This is Cube on the Ground. I'm John Furrier here in Seattle with IBM's Open Compute Architecture Summit. Thanks for watching.


No fewer than 23 suspects have been paraded by Tarabah State Police Command for various offenses ranging from kidnapping, banditry, robbery. Parading the suspects at the command headquarters in Jalingo, the state commissioner of police, C.P. Joseph Eribo, said that the abductor of a second class monarch in the state was among the arrested kidnappers. He also disclosed that a suspected kidnapper was arrested on Monday around 9.45 p.m. in a Toyota with registration number YLA-321ZY along the Jalingo Yola Bypass Road. He said that a suspect made an effort to induce the police officer who arrested him with a sum of 8.5 million naira to escape but the inspector rejected the bribe. Among the items recovered were a stolen car, electricity cable, two AK-47 chams and other items. I will, through this press briefing, give you an insight into the arrest of some notorious kidnappers and other suspects in Jalingo now, particularly the one who masterminded the kidnapping of the third class chief, a populist, a pastor, a man and others. The resilient determination of our personnel to collaborate in collaboration with other security agencies and our critical stakeholders, that is the vigilante and hunters, has given a positive result with the arrest of the following suspects. One, a race of syndicator suspects, a kidnapper, a terrorist, a jarrogana, at the Sibyan area on the 2nd of January at about 04.50 hours, acting on tip-off, operative of, at the kidnapping team of the rubber command, succeeded in arresting the following suspected kidnapper, terrorizing jarrogana, a new Sibyan, an envelope. This includes one Habibu Ibrahim, AK-212 Abba, Muhammad AK Gandhari, 2nd Ali Yasa, woman, Abdullah Ziz, Adami AK Dam Malam, 5th Dam Lani Ibrahim, AK Teacher, all of jarrogana, new Sibyan, suspect confessed to Habibu, to have been involved in many kidnapping incidents that took place around jarrogana and new Sibyan respectively. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


This is George Gilbert. We're with Patrick Wendell of Databricks. He is VP of Engineering. And we are talking about specialization versus integration. We all know that Spark has done a better job of pretty much anyone else of integrating their APIs to make a new class of applications possible. But traditional trade-offs have made specialized products generally faster or more feature-rich. So let's, at a top level, talk about how you made trade-offs that may make that traditional distinction less relevant. Yeah, it's a really great question. And I think that there's different approaches you can take when assembling a technology stack. One is the best-of-breed, highly diversified chaining together of many different types of tools. And that's actually not the approach we've taken in the Spark ecosystem. The other approach is, can you have one platform, one runtime that enables you a large amount of capabilities but is still relatively integrated with coherent and well-specified APIs that work well together? So I think in Spark, we've actually found that taking the unified approach has had a lot of benefits. One of them is that, from what I've seen from our customers and our users, there's kind of common themes that a particular big data user will want to see in the platform they're investing in. They want to see security that's kind of coherent and makes sense and holistic in the way that they're thinking about it. They also want to be able to train their employees to sort of understand the broad details of the platform. And they also want to exchange data and move data quickly with high performance between different types of problems. They might have a data ingest or ETL problem. They're just collecting data from 100 sensors and trying to clean it up and put it in the right format. They might have a querying problem where they have some analysts who want to actually run some SQL queries on that data. And then they have a data modeling and machine learning team that's trying to do some predictive analytics on that data. When we go into companies, we see all these different problems. And the approach we took with Spark was to build a unified kind of coherent engine that can solve all of those problems for the customer. I think we've also found that the traditional things you might give up in that model, maybe you'd give up performance, maybe you'd give up a little bit of some expressivity. The way that we've designed the APIs in Spark, we don't feel like we've given much of that up. I mean, it's performance competitive with many of the kind of specialized tools out there. So other than owing to the collective IQ of the development team, what are some of the things you did to do that? Yeah, so I wish I could say it's just, we're smarter, but that's not really it. The benefits of having a shared engine are that you get a lot of engineering investment in these key primitives. So the things I mentioned for you, tungsten, for instance. Tungsten in one part of it is, how can we better use memory inside of a Spark application? It turns out that streaming applications and query processing and machine learning are all very, very memory intensive. So if we can optimize that core primitive, we can have 10, 15 really right engineers think about how to make that one part work really well. It benefits broadly all of these use cases. A good example in kind of an older school example of this type of thing is the Java Virtual Machine. So the Java Virtual Machine was trying to solve the problem back in the day of building one application platform that it was not quite as specialized as if you're writing something directly for a specific hardware. But they presented really nice APIs for the users and they had nice ways of debugging and of making that portable across many different environments. But today, the Java Virtual Machine has had so much investment poured into that low-level engine that in many cases it actually outperforms applications that are more specifically written against specific hardware because they can do all kinds of runtime profile and other things. You have hundreds of engineers for 10, 15 years trying to make that thing really, really performant. So the idea that you give up something in order to use a more generic platform it actually isn't true because of the kind of ecosystem effect that platform is very, very powerful. And Spark is a sort of newer example of the same type of phenomenon. We have a lot of investment in these core parts of Spark that mean that to kind of replace or compete with that level of optimization would be very, very hard for a specialized system. Okay, so, and in the previous segment we talked about some of the trade-offs you made to be competitive with MPP SQL engines or to be competitive in a complementary way not doing exactly what they do the same way. So another topical feature area is stream processing and there are some where they say, this is what we focus on and we are really performant. We can handle per event processing if that might be relevant at the edge. What are some of the trade-offs you make so that it can be competitive with them? Yeah, it's a great question. So a lot of the optimizations in Spark 2.0 are related to reducing the latency around stream processing. The kind of space we target is latencies in the hundreds of milliseconds and higher. If someone's doing a high frequency trading or some kind of thing, that's often something where they're using custom hardware, it's a very, very specialized application. What we target is kind of what we think are the vast majority of stream processing jobs where they're trying to do some reaction in the sub-second range and that includes even credit card fraud detection. Is it fraud or is it not? The window they have for that swipe of a credit card is about three seconds so that's something that will be considered within the space that we target. So that's been a big focus of ours in Spark 2.0. Do you see a change in architecture where there's more analytics being done at the edge and that there are therefore demands, different demands on latency, footprint, memory footprint, processor, demands? Yeah, I think there's a few architectural changes that are interesting. So relating to what you said, I think we do see a proliferation of this kind of sensor device kind of environment where you might have hundreds or thousands of small, very low-powered devices that are collecting data and aggregating it and usually Spark doesn't quite push out that far so we don't have people running Spark on like IoT chips in random devices but we get pretty close to the front so usually that data could directly be ingested into Spark or go through a message broker kind of system and then right into Spark. The main thing I've seen is people trying to reduce the time of that latency as much as possible and it's very challenging because even if you can get the average case to be really good so maybe on average you have, it takes less than 20 seconds to get data from your end devices over a network through some message broker to Spark. In practice it's the worst case latency that's the problem. If you have a thousand devices some of them are gonna be slow, some of them might be turned off, some of them might not have cell service for a small amount of time. So the problems that we see around this type of application is largely about how do you reason about giving results when you don't even know if the data is completely finished because you still have data coming in. And structured streaming has that event time. Yes. It's just then that the latency of the analytics is gonna be really slow or it's gonna be continually updated. Yeah, so you kind of have two options. You're exactly getting it right. So you have two options in this world. One is that you give results right away but they're maybe less accurate because they may get incrementally updated later. Best effort, results. Best effort, yeah. Another one is you wait a certain amount of time but then the results take longer to deliver but they're more accurate. But because of this type of architecture it's rarely the case that like one millisecond versus 500 milliseconds really matters because it tends to be that the data in just time is at least in the seconds and in many cases actually in multiple minutes. So that's kind of the design space we were targeting. Are you targeting at all the moving spark down to sort of gateway devices that are near the edge? Not the SCADA hardwired board that's in the turbine or the wind turbine or the gas generator or whatever. But there might be an X86 machine that's on the factory floor on the network. Yeah, that's a great question. It's that's a little sci-fi for us right now. We tend to kind of assume that the data has been somewhat aggregated already by the time it gets to spark. I've seen in specific applications they might have some earlier aggregation tier that's doing that logic. And there's other tools for that like people use flume and Kafka and some of these other tools to do that. So right now that shipping of bits and aggregation is not kind of in scope for spark but in a future world I could see that happening. It's probably not on the very short-term roadmap though. Okay. I wanna come back to some of the popular applications that we talked about. Sure. Recommendations. Now that we have continuous processing, how might those change? And then in a system that relies on batch processing how much richer would a continuous processing system be? Yeah, so this is also something you should talk with Joseph about because that's kind of a very machine learning kind of question. But I think the biggest benefit in the sort of continuous processing world as I've said before is that being able to enrich the model with new data as it's coming in. And that's something that will be coming over the spark 2.x line. And so that just means being able to, given as an example, recommendations are all about understanding every dimension of the user and as much, learning as much information as you can in order to tell them what to do next. But often that data that you're learning about the user is coming right as you're trying to make the recommendation. So for instance, I'm browsing products on Amazon. They would love to have that latency be very low where they could actually use the products I've browsed in the last 10, 20 seconds to give me a recommendation on the next time I load a page and say, oh well, you're just using this, reviewing these products. And then based on these products and your entire history and what we know about you and what your potential buying patterns are, here's what we're recommending to you. If that's a batch workload, they need to wait 24 hours for the most recent data to kind of influence the model. So you might have noticed sometimes you're shopping online for something and then you log in like a day later and you see an ad for that thing that you were shopping for but now it's 24 hours later, you've kind of forgotten about the thing, you don't really care about it much anymore. If that latency can get down to be on the order of seconds or minutes, it's kind of part of the user session experience and that can significantly improve the response rate for those recommendations. Okay, let me switch tags for a moment. We've talked about Databricks' implementation of Spark as an end-to-end coherent and integrated experience but if you want to add some services like you want to have persistence, like not just file system but sort of database and you want to have ingest. So you've got Kafka, let's say you've got Cassandra. I think I've read that many people would add ACA and then you need ZooKeeper and you need three of each. So already you're at 12 servers. So even though Spark and the Databricks version is more comprehensive than say older architectures, it's still got a lot of moving parts. How might we expect Databricks and Spark to evolve over time to have fewer moving parts? Yeah, it's a great question. So I think the one thing we don't really do is storage. That's a big decision that both Spark and now Databricks has made early on and I think you're right that there are moving parts but from what we've heard, the ability to kind of compose multiple data sources is one of the most powerful and well-liked aspects of Spark. The old data warehousing model is like you have a golden set of servers and it's very hard to get data in there and that's where everything sits and it's kind of the cathedral. What we see a lot more is kind of to your point they might have some data in Cassandra, they might have some data in Redshift, they have some streaming data coming through Kafka and that separation of concerns actually enables them to be very agile in the way they're building applications. So I don't necessarily think it would be a good thing if Spark went into the storage business for instance and that's not really our plan in the short term. I think the right move is to have a very powerful general query engine that integrates the user interface and all the experience of kind of solving the analytics problem and one or two storage systems that are popular and that are robust and work really well and I think that's kind of as simple as it can possibly get unless you wanna sacrifice a lot of agility. And when you talk about one or two storage systems, are you talking about that might be native options or just that you do deep integration with through the data source APIs? Yeah, it's more likely that we'll do deep integration with them. The beautiful thing about the way people consume software in the cloud is they actually, they largely consume services. So you mentioned like you might have one or two servers running for this or that but very few people are running their own servers and that's becoming less and less over time. I'll give you an example. So like by far the number one storage that's used with Databricks is Amazon's S3 storage. Okay, now think about how disruptive that's been in the market. It has nine nines of reliability. It's the most reliable storage system ever built. They basically have never lost a bite of data on that system and it's extremely cheap. So good luck competing with that in the marketplace. And I think that the way that people consume S3 is as a service. They don't think about which servers they're spinning up or down. They just have some APIs that say give me this range of a file and list the files in these very basic primitives and that works super well. I mean it's a very, very successful project, the S3 project for Amazon. So I think the way that we see the software world going in the future is as consumers thinking about two or three main services, some storage and hopefully Databricks in there with the Spark for all of the analytics component and putting them together in a way that enables them to very quickly build new applications. Okay, really quick. Last word. Do you see notebooks playing a role in democratizing access to all the analytics? Yeah, it's hard to answer that quickly. I'll do my best, but I think that from what we've seen, so our product is completely notebook based. By the way, if you walk around you'll see some on the walls on some TV screens around here. But it's definitely really, really changed the way that folks interact with data. And what I like to see is that you have tens of thousands of students and other folks coming out of school that really understand this abstraction. And I think it has a chance to supplant like many other of the traditional interfaces that you see. One's being like a SQL shell, a very basic shell, or a BI tool. It's kind of somewhere in between those two. Computational document. Exactly, yeah. And so I think it has a chance to be really big and that's why we obviously chose those abstractions as our key interface in the product. Okay, this is George Gilbert. We're on the ground at Databricks. We've just been talking with Patrick O'Andell, VP of Engineering. And we will be back with some more segments.