Got the COVID? No. No, but I have some sort of cold because the test is negative. Maybe I have it and it just didn't show up. You know, I had my RSV shot. Not to give anyone. Thank you. Cold germs. Two days after I had my RSV shot, I came down with a whole bronchial, cold, miserable thing. I had it now that whatever. I'm doing it on Monday. But I did feel pretty good. Did you do it through the wellness? So you have to do it on Friday. I've been doing that forever. Only if you don't go out on Friday. Are you going to be on economic development? Thursday? Yeah. Apparently I have an award to accept. I was wondering, I wasn't going to say anything. Yeah. Well, just, is he, I take it? I do. Is he? I don't believe it. I thought it was just the one that landed on me. He's my savior. He's also volunteered to do the conference. He's my savior. Yeah. I wanted to see part of the executive committee. Yeah. I don't know if I can take one more thing on. I swear. I've definitely been overextended. Yeah. Right. Then let's start recording. Yeah. Let's start. All right. Welcome. We'll call the meeting to order at six o'clock on Monday, October 16th, 2023. This is the regular monthly meeting of the center, Vermont career center, school board. I think it might be nice for us to quickly go around the room and introduce ourselves. We have a couple of guests today. Maybe we'll start with you. You is here. Sure. I can't get over floors. Get down to the shower. 10 seconds ago. I'm a representative from Harvard district. I'm a Chase. I'm a student at CDC. I'm a services one program. Great. I'm Joe Remic. I'm the player of rocks very representative. I'm Lyman Castle. I'm a life member from. I'm Jenna Osman and I represent twin field. Hi, I'm Stephanie Olson. I'm a director and I'm going to step out. It's my son's called me twice. So I'm a little. Sure. The emergency services too much. Thank you very much. Yes. So we'll do Stephanie guy. Terry. Hi, I'm Stephanie Olson. I take the minutes for the board. Hi, I'm guy as well. I'm the at-large member for the BUSD. District. Terry steel. And I'm the at-large member for the Washington central. Hi, everybody. I'm floor. I'm from the appointment member from the Washington central district. Nice to be here today. I'm not sure. Can you hear me? And I'm sorry, Jim. Yes. I'm on vacation, but I didn't want to leave you with it. You should go. I just. Afternoon. And just let my hair down. So. Where are you? I'm on Costa Rica. No, Sarah. What? Nice. Well, if you, if you just drop off the meeting, we will understand. Yeah. I might drop off after resolutions. That sounds good. Okay. Great. All right. So I am looking for. Do we have any public comment? All right. I'm looking for a motion to approve the meeting minutes from September 11th, 2023. So I'm a little guy. Thank you. Your second. Second. Okay. Any questions, edits updates on those minutes? All right. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Okay. We approve the meeting minutes. September 11th. All right. We are really happy that you're here today. Chase from student leadership. Do you want to. Tell us what student leadership does and. Right now we're in the middle of. Processing. How did it kind of make student quarterly awards better and focus on. Bringing more engagement within them instead of less. I guess. This may go in towards the awards because not a lot of students like them. So we're trying to. Really. Hit hard right now. In the video. So. This may go in towards the awards because not a lot of students like them. So we're trying to. Really. Hit hard right now. In the video. To. Better. The awards. Making more. Good. Better. I guess. And then we. Kind of. Help. Bring voice from our programs because we have a. Representative from each program on leadership.  Getting. Feedback from. Each program on. What. They want to see. What. They. Like. Is what's happening. And then we bring it to. Facilitators of meeting. Kind of. Build off. From there. What year are you in. This is my senior. I go to. Spalding. This is my first year at CBCC. Great. Thank you. So. Oh yeah. Go ahead. Guy. So. Yeah. You're. You're. So. Oh yeah. Go ahead. Guy. So yeah. You talked about awards a little bit. What. What is the biggest thing about the awards. People. I guess. Don't. Students don't want to kind of engage in them. I guess. Because of. Kind of stage fright. I feel like is the number one. Problem we have. And the like. Less. The less amount of. Award like. Focusing time on students like. They. We had a poll done that students thought it was less. About the award. Less about the student being acknowledged. And a. It was more of a student popularity contest. So we've done some. Changes and adjustments to kind of focus it back on. This student was recognized for this. Responsibility. And I think we've. Implemented the school's values. And we've got. We've got. We've got to. We've got to. We've got to be more respectful. Respect. All the five. And we're having each award. Focused on. That. I think one award is respect and. Integrity and honesty. I think. Put the one. But all four award ceremonies. We're going to. Kind of. Focus the students. On. This student was selected by their instructor. Because they demonstrated. Integrity and honesty. Very well. He's kind of brought back in there. Who gets to, like, nominate or decide who gets to vote? So we were, we had it as students were voting. And we kind of got feedback that that was not the best sort of pick because it was more of someone in the class that vote for me. I deserve the award. And then it was a, OK, he won the award. We'll vote for him. But now we're using, we took the idea of using the school values and bringing them into light. So now the teacher chooses the student that has exemplified that award. And they have, I think it's like three sentences, three to four sentences. The teacher has to make a quick summary about why this student exemplified this certain type of quality or trait in the order that they were assigned. Nice, it brings the achievement to life. I'm sorry. Yes. Ultimately, who decides? I think it goes to admin ultimately, I believe so. And it like, we are trying to make them more, we want to exemplify the students there. And then after the student awards get finished, we want to like do it, do it like a game or something, games that like engage the student body as a whole and try to get people to have like a icebreaker at the first quarterly awards. And then instead of the student body saying, I don't really want to go back to quarterly awards, they are, I'm excited for quarterly awards next quarter and we are excited to be there type of thing. So we are like trying to engage and get the students as almost a productive but engaged, I guess, in the activity in the quarterly awards as a whole. I might have missed it, but one of the, I think roles was about building center wide community because we have amazing community inside of programs. But some folks, what we see year after year is feedback that they don't really know anyone outside of their program or they don't know what else happens here. So this is one way. Yeah, we're trying to like a team instead of, I guess it was like last year, I haven't been here last year, but last year there was like, I guess, I don't want to say hate, but things between the programs that made new books that students didn't like each other. So now we're kind of do some team building activities and team building games to try to like bring the student body as a whole to kind of engage with each other. Just to make everyone look so. So Chase, are you part of a leadership team overall so that because you have these great, you present so well and you have this great knowledge? Yes, I'm on the leadership board, the student leadership board. We meet every Monday.  But we meet every week and we have a representative from each program and every single time we have a meeting, we usually have a feedback prompt that we speak to our class about. So we basically go back to our class and facilitate what we had from the meeting and then what we facilitated from the meeting that we bring to light in the student leadership meeting. Great. Thanks for that. Go ahead, Guy. Yeah, just a comment. Thank you for bringing that leadership skill to the table. I think that's important because that's what we look for as a board or partially anyway. And your leadership is gonna, I think remove that stage fright you talked about a little while ago. So thank you. And for the rest of the board, I think the plan is that student leadership, the new guys agree with your advisor that you would take turns coming to the board meetings, is that right? Right now, yeah. But we are, one of our facilitators is looking for someone to kind of stay more consistent if no one wants to.  Yeah, I would like to stay. I'm gonna speak to my facilitator about it. I enjoy kind of engaging. But yeah, right now the plan is to find someone or find a couple of people that want to rotate or find a more permanent person that likes to come over and be there. And doesn't that mean that we're right if there is a permanent person to then different people turn your programs? Yeah, I think the plan is that if we do have someone that's more permanent, we are gonna, I guess, let the students in leadership still if they want to come, they can come and it'll be just good, I guess. What are you guys working on right now? In my class, and I'm ready to serve as one. We are prepping for, we have Expo coming in. So our technology is one of the programs on Thursday. So we're kind of prepping to get them engaged in what we want them to kind of see what we do. And we have a couple of quizzes coming up and we have our, actually, unit two exam on Friday. So that's a big study. What do you wanna do next year? So next year, I'm either, I'm either gonna hopefully join and build service full-time and just work my entire year or in less, not in less, apply for Vermont State University and go and get my bachelor's degree in business management and go to our early college too. You know, let's come back as an adult student. I know. More questions? Anything else you wanna tell us before we let you know? Oh, I can leave. You can, you are welcome to stay for the entire program, but we don't, yeah, we don't hold your prisoner. Wait, time down. Stay. Yeah, if you stay, then you get to participate in the discussions that happen. Yeah. No pressure. No pressure. Thank you very much for coming. All right, next up we are, we're on agenda item 2.3, the resolutions for the Vermont School Board Association. I think I can take a stab at introducing those floor, but you might be better suited to do so. However you wanna handle it, I'm okay to do it either way. I'll take a stab at it and you correct me if I'm wrong. Okay, that sounds good. Yeah, sorry, I'm on vacation, I shouldn't have used it. Okay. So the Vermont School Board Association is the statewide organization of school boards in Vermont, the self-explanatory. And every year at their annual meeting, they adopt certain resolutions that sort of represent their policy position on being asked of Vermont school boards. And so their upcoming annual meeting is the end of next week, I think October 26th and 27th. And I believe, Lyman, are you going as our representative? So our hope today is that we will take a vote on the different resolutions for the Vermont School Board Association and that way, Lyman will know how we, as a collective center, Vermont Career Center Board, we want to vote on those resolutions. Okay. Has anyone had a chance to look at the resolutions? Or have any questions? I'll look at the state.  So, Flora, first of all, I appreciate you sitting being on the board. That's another head lift for you. I had a hard time understanding the resolution around the unemployment piece and the educational fund for certain staff. Can you explain that a little bit or? So, I think if it's okay with Jill, what I would like to do is just go in order in each resolution, because I think it will be faster. And then we ask the questions with each resolution. Would that make sense for you two guys? Sure, yeah. And then we can provide that feedback to, so Lyman knows how to vote on it. And then in each resolution, we can do the questions and I can be super quick. In the packet, you have the entire resolution. What I would suggest is that we would just go one by one right now, because they were areas. So, for example, a resolution one, can I start there, Jill? And then you can call, yeah. Okay. So, the resolution one was submitted by Miss Goy Valley School District. Can you hear me okay? I hear some background, so I just want to make sure. Yeah, I'm just making sure we found it because we want to make sure we're on the right page. Well, it's after that, because each one is broken down after that. Yeah, each one is fully written out, so there's like the. Yeah, so what I'm going to do is just read the where areas and just focus on that part of resolution one from Miss Goy Valley School District. Does that they're requiring for school district in Vermont to pay a federal grant assessment to the Vermont State Teachers Retirement System for Teachers Funday by the federal grant shall be eliminated. We the undersigned hereby express our support for this resolution and call upon the Vermont State Legislature to take swift action to rectify the unjust burden on school districts and ensure the optimal utilization of federal grant funds for the benefit of Vermont students. Usually that part is the one that becomes the resolution. So that's what I'm just going to concentrate on that on that. So were there any questions on that one? The recommendation of the board is to do not pass, but at the meeting, all of the resolutions are voted regardless of what the recommendation of the board or the recommendation of the resolutions committee was. I see Lyman, your hand is up. Laura, do you feel comfortable giving us a cliff note version of each one of these as we go? Yes. So in the first one, if there's no questions, I can just give you exactly why you just said a cliff note. The board look at this and took this position because they feel that they needed more information. I wrote a little thing because we're gonna go through this at the meeting. So I'm just gonna use that same wording to not, so you're getting a preview. So if there's confusion, I can adjust this for the meeting. So the board took this position because they felt they needed more information about the assessment before deciding whether it should be eliminated. Many felt that they could support a study to understand the full extent of the grant assessment and the impact that eliminating the assessment will have in the retirement system, but not outright eliminating without knowing the full impact on taking that decision. So it's to the pleasure of the board if you wanna call the vote. Is the federal grant assessment like a fee? I'm just, okay. Yeah, so and this was complicated in my board too. So yeah, we pay a fee every time and I'm probably, Jody can speak to this better than me, but what I'm gonna not try to do is try to resolve questions that the burden wasn't the Miss Coy Valley School District to resolve before sending the resolution to us just because we are not like a, like I don't have, I didn't do all the research. I can answer questions on some of it, but I don't have all of the answers. I can speak to specific questions. I don't know if that makes it even more confusing, but you know what I mean? When you submit a resolution, the burden is on the district to answer the question. So I did write to the chair and that's the process and we asked them to amend that or to ask for a study and they decided that they would just leave the resolution that is and they were fine with how we had addressed it. So that's all I have to report on that one, but it is a fee that, so every federal grant, you pay a fee when you're when, so you don't get the full benefit of the actual grant, which is controversial, right? Thank you. How does the board, so you can, how do we give guidance to Lyman? Are you guys okay with the recommendation of the BSBA board or do you feel differently? Well, if there wasn't enough information, then I wouldn't support that. I wouldn't support their finding for the next one that you're gonna talk about through the motion. Yeah, so motion, Jill, I will let you call for the motion to accept the recommendation or you can just say a motion, please. No action, is that right? Yes. Okay, all right. Do I have a motion that Central Market Center School and District Board would support that do not pass position on this current resolution? On the Miscisgore Valley. On the Miscisgore Valley resolution proposal number one. Guy Moved. Thank you. For a second. Guy Moved. Guy Moved. All right, all those in favor of our position of do not pass, say aye. Any opposed? On resolution two, again, I'll just read quickly. All surplus monies in the Vermont State Education Fund be used to help school districts to fray the cost of unemployment on insurance so that support staff professionals can obtain unemployment benefits during this time of school break and vacancies, thereby helping to assure safe professionals have a living wage and have therefore motivated to fill employment vacancies and keep our schools fully staffed, providing individual school funds to support the arts and enrichment programs for the students in Vermont. The cliff note on that one is that the board took this position because the members were reluctant to tell the legislature how to spend surplus monies without considering all needs. The members explained that their districts offer an annualized pay cycle to their support staff. Another question that came up was that around collecting unemployment and whether support staff are able to do so. Many also felt that we should be strategic with the one-time money. So the way that they were asking us, it was very focused on the arts. And we had the chair of the board at our meeting. He was part of our committee and he understood this to get back to his district, but they chose not to amend the resolution. So that is the cliff note of why we decided to not recommend to do not pass. But I'm happy to take questions regardless of the recommendation of the board because we can make our own decision, right? Any comments or questions on that one? No, well, it seems that we don't, you're hesitant to tell the legislature what to do is one and that the staff has opportunity to get unemployment anyway. My concern is it's so hard to maintain power professionals and others who work in schools. And so anyway, we can support their engagement as members of the community who can earn a living wage. Should be supported. So I would vote to pass this. Yeah, Jenna, I can tell you that one of the conversations that we had is that different districts around our area already that it shouldn't be that our, especially our support staff should be making a living wage and it should not just be left that, you know, this surplus money for them to be. So the contracts with our support staff should be elevated without this kind of like, without having to do this, right? And especially because it's said that it should just be for the arts part. So that took, so there was no objection about what you're saying that they should be paid more money. Well, again, you're saying they should be getting that, but then they're not or wouldn't have been here. Yeah, but here it's asking you to use this, spend the surplus monies without considering all the needs of the school. So let's say your district decides to use the surplus money differently, right? Right, right. I agree. It shouldn't be all surplus monies. I agree with that. So I just take for that to be a do not pass because of that one line, but I guess. Guys, do you have a hand up? Anyone else? I do, do you have? Are a lot of the support staff under contracts? Contracts? Talk about our district. We don't have a lot of unemployment. Our staff does not have unemployment. There's vacation and so on. Wait, could you say that again? Do they just say for vacation? Our support staff has the ability to, yes, get paid throughout. They can say how much of their check they want to withhold and they can get paid throughout the summer, but none of them going on. Most of them have summer jobs or vacation jobs that they enjoy. Same for most of our districts. I looked around and most of our districts still they are able to have an annualized pay cycle, but they're not able to collect unemployment. All right. Okay. And I think that's one of the benefits. It is a benefit to the position of being in school year employees. A lot of our staff, a lot of staff members take summers off to be with the children. So it's. All right. All right, I'll take it back. No, I don't disagree with, and I also would hate to just leave a vacuum from school boards to try to tell the legislature what we think they should do, but I'm not sure this does it enough. Not working quite right. And it doesn't sound like the need to force point, like is equal across all districts and these would benefit everybody. Right. Therefore. Therefore. Do not pass. All right. Jana's made a motion. Do not pass. Oh. No, I don't want to be the one to make that motion. All right. Someone take a motion. I can make the motion if that's helpful. Okay. Yes. Thank you. All right. Do I have a second? I'll second it. Okay. All those in favor of our recommendation, do not pass on resolution number two. Okay. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. To abstain. I abstain. Yeah, that's fine. Perfect. So on resolution three from Addison Northwest, the BSBA, they have since they're gonna submit an amendment. I can't give you the amendment because it's gonna be submitted on the floor. So what I can tell you is that because it was not clear, we went back to Addison Northwest to bring an amendment to the floor and they're gonna do that. So we're just gonna have to trust Lyman to make a decision with the amendment. I can tell you that the amendment sort of clears some of the confusion and I can actually, I don't see why not. I can read just a couple of things that they SBA enlist the support of the Vermont Superintendents Association and Vermont Councils of Special Education administrators, Vermont Business Managers Association and work with the legislators by January, 2025 to provide recommendations for changes to the governor and their appointed state board of education and secretary of agency of education so that Vermont students receive the benefits of BSBA current ongoing resolutions, blah, blah, blah. So right now it was just too much of a prescription too. So they are clearing it so that the ask is clear. It's just not clear right now what they are asking us to do. Right, providing recommendations for changes to the governor is a very specific change to what? To what? What are the changes? Yeah, what are the changes? What are they? If it's SBA. Because the, a lot of the whereas is about the cognitive sort of failures of software systems of the agency and then it goes to just enlisting the help of these fellow organizations to recommend changes but it doesn't, yeah. So I don't disagree that there's I think BSBA and the VSA and the VSTSCA and the VMA should all work together all the time and I just think in about anything but I don't know what's specific enough but, yeah. If the amendment clears up recommendation for changes to the whatever they're asking and the whereas whether you find a software or whatever are we at that point comfortable with supporting that? Or I guess I don't know. I think they'll put you in a tough spot. What's that? Personally, I think they'll put you in a tough spot. If we don't have all the information sitting in front of us. Yeah. I mean, they don't. It leaves you hanging blown in the wind and I don't know that, well, it's up to you. I appreciate that. So I don't know that that's a smart way for us to move forward or any organization. And changes to block grant funding for special education. I mean, that's a lot of stuff. So much. And they want to revise school quality standards. I mean, we all know that the Cognia testing was a mess. And that there were data issues around systems but this doesn't do it. Yeah. And what I want to suggest that, sorry, Jill, because I can't total to you raise my hand is that by appointing Lyman to be our voting member as a district, we have a vote. And I think I would trust Lyman. Jill would be at the meeting. I'll be at a meeting. Jody would be at the meeting. I will trust Lyman to make a wealth informed decision with the information presented at the meeting so that we are able to use our one vote as a board as best as we can. Instead of tying Lyman's hands right now and just saying, just vote no, because we didn't. That's just my suggestion, but I'm fine anyway. So we could say no action because if we say do not pass, even though if it gets amended, he's going to be locked into saying no. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So then what are we doing? So can we have a motion to take no action? That's why we're doing this. To take no action. Does that mean? Or do we leave it up to Lyman? To take action. All or does that mean we're just not gonna? We get to do it all. I think you get to do it all. And so we just say, you know, we could just say, we're boring our new student already, so sorry. When are they presenting the new language? At the meeting, because that's just how it works. It just, they present the amended language with 60% of copies so that everybody can have, there's a process for it. And they'll present it at four o'clock on Thursday, the 26th. And then will there be time for discussion amongst? Yes. There'll be time for discussion. So that's what it is, so. Yeah, and I'll get a feel for. Yeah. Yeah. And if you start buying, like these are just the VSBA agreement, that's what they're gonna advocate for. It doesn't actually make it so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we're not discussed. So we can make a motion to stop discussion. Do we make a motion to allow me to make the decision? I allow, I think that we allow Lyman to make the decisions when, you know, next week, when he has the opportunity to represent our board. Second? Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Resolution four was submitted by the Norwich District. The VSBA calls upon the General Assembly to examine the impact and feasibility of raising the non-resurrectional tax rate to the same rate as the homestead tax rate in every town where the non-resurrectional tax rate is lower than the homestead tax rate. I think this one, to be clear in the quick notes, it was a process thing that ended up being do not pass. The resolutions committee had not take no action because they were hoping to get some clarification. We are not gonna get an amendment, but the board at the time when we were making this decision felt that the school district gets to determine education spending for their district. And if the results in a homestead tax rate that is higher than a non homestead tax rate, then that is their choice. This did not mean that the system isn't working properly. That was one of the comments, but this is a person for our district just to have some background in this too is that there's more than 80 towns in the state affected by this. I personally don't think this is a bad thing, but you guys had all the language there. It is not really affects our district as much as some districts with more of the, a bigger non-residential tax rate. Oh, specifically. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, it has less. CVC CSD has less impact than it does. Are there any of our towns that are walk like that? I don't believe that. I suspect that Warren would be one of those towns. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have to go. I didn't have to look at that. I didn't think any of that. I didn't think any town would ski or fall like that. I mean, I think so. This has nothing to do, I don't know what to do with us. No. Philosophically, I disagree with that. So, I would fight that. Okay, guy and then Lyman? Yeah, just a comment. I was interested in hearing that the states around us don't differentiate, which I thought was interesting. I mean, I think it's a, you know, it's probably a larger conversation than a local one. And I think there are some implications, but I'd like to hear a little bit more about this. You know, it's an interesting topic. Just quickly, the word non-residential in this case is not second home, but commercial space? Or is it? No, it's not a stator. That's not true. If you own two homes, like I own two properties, I can only claim one as homestead. The other one I have to pay no on homestead. So non-residential is not residential. It's not homestead. Right, it's a wrong terminology. So this is like my, this is what I, this is my day job. Like this, if they asked, if they passed number four, like my team would have to write this term. Yeah, so non-residential is everything that's not that homestead.  That's what homestead, that would be taxed the house, the homestead rate, and then the rest of it would be non-homestead. So it's everything. It's commercial, land. Every, and you can play all timing games, that. Oh yeah, I knew there was this whole thing. Thank you, it's being a homestead. Second home, I had never heard that. I just, I was super interested in what you thought about it, Jill.  That was not the intent when these, when Act 60 and Act 60 will pass, the intent was certainly that homestead properties would have the low tax rate. And it's just over time and spending and values and things like that, then, then there are non-residential rates that are lower than homestead. And so it does have, especially for folks who claim a homestead and maybe act and get the homestead rate or maybe claim the homestead and get property tax credit, but if they claim homestead and they get a higher rate, sort of a disincentive. So they're supposed to win or lose on either side of that equation. Everyone is supposed to file their homestead every single year and get the homestead rate on their, on their house site, but certainly there are towns where the homestead is higher and the folks who are not gonna get that property tax income adjustment, it is not, there's not as much incentive for them to declare that because they'd end up paying a higher tax rate. So I do think it's something the legislature should look at. It's interesting coming from this sector because the education fund is like a closed loop. So if you push down the non-residential rate, no, if you push down one, the other taxpayers have to make up for that somehow. It's also gotta add up to the same amount that one needs. But I think I don't, I honestly have no opinion. For all that, I don't have an opinion. I think it's gonna be interesting for them to look at, but, and if it doesn't impact our district, then if we're going to this on behalf of our district, maybe that's, maybe in terms of technology. That's where it goes. Yeah. It's like taxes, tax rate, it's the same thing, right? Like you can knock the rate down, you just gotta collect more money. Guy, were you saying something? Sorry. That's why I said it's a little bit more complicated than the way it's being presented. Because I also think there are other things like land use rates and stuff like that, but I'm not sure that the states around us even, so I don't know the complexities of what one state has versus the other. So to say that the states around us are consistent in terms of how they do it might not be probably comparing apples and oranges, but I'm not sure. But I think it's worth taking a look at, but probably beyond our pay grade right now. That's sort of where we ended, and that's what. It's what? It's a normal age problem. It's not a, it's a town by town. Are we setting for it? Yeah, I think that the board ended up sort of in the same position that we are right now. I think it's, I personally think it's a worth, an issue that is worth looking at just at least understanding it, but whether that is a study or actually I do it, I don't have a strong opinion like you just said, Jill. I think that it is something that is worth at least taking a look at. It doesn't impact our district as, it does impact Harvard, some, Jill, but it doesn't impact the rest of our towns. So we could just go with the, what the, what the recommendation was, or take no action. That would be mine. Mine gets to the floor. No. No. All right, so do we have a motion either to take no action or do no pass or pass? I would make a margin to take no action. I don't want to be the one making it, but I will. Okay. I'll second that. Okay. Thanks for our guide. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right, so we'll take no action on that one. I think it'll be an interesting discussion that we'll have in the discussion. Yeah. Yeah. It'll probably be a lengthy discussion. Yeah, yeah. And again, the burden will be in Norwich to answer a lot of questions because this a lot of questions came up from this. Okay. Moving to five. This one was super clear. I thought resolution five, the BSBA from Winooski school district urges the general assembly and Congress to champion the health and well-being of Vermont youth by enhancing legislation that supports our youth's mental health and protects them against intentional self-harm and ensures adequate funding for any programs or requirements that are mandated by enacted legislation. Further, the BSBA calls upon the governor to develop the comprehensive plan to support and protect youth's mental health through meaningful collaboration among the administration, schools designated agency and other community partners. And the recommendation was to pass this as a regular resolution, which means it's a resolution that we revisit every year. I move that we support it that we pass it. I second that. You have a motion on the floor to pass it. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, great. And then the other resolutions that sort of finishes the resolution submitted by different districts, the other resolutions were all prepared by the resolutions committee. And this resolution is not prepared by resolution committee either because it was something that we had to dealt with during the session or recommendations from seeing the landscape of education for the next year. And by landscape I mean the future of education through the year in the legislation. So number six is pretty self-explanatory, supports the BSBA, supports the ban on sale of flavored cigarettes, flavored e-cigarettes and flavored substance that contain nicotine or otherwise impended to use in e-cigarettes. Passes a regular resolution. I could tell you more why this was important but do you want me to tell you more? Or? No. No. No. No. No cigarettes. When we think about kids that have cigarettes, mass marketing. Right. Or street. Yeah. Child marketing. Yeah. This is something that we dealt with last year and then the second bill sat on somebody's walls. So we are, we know that it's going to come up this year. So we really want to be prepared and we didn't have a specific language. So that's why this is coming in front of you. Okay. Do we have a motion to pass as a regular resolution? I would make a motion to pass as a regular resolution. Second. I'll second it, Guy. Thanks, Guy. All right. All those in favor say aye. Hi. Any opposed? Think the ayes have it. Terry or Giuliano, did you guys vote? Okay. Hi. Hi. Thank you. I just want to reach in. All right. So that's a pass. Okay. The solution seven, the General Assembly must act to bring Vermont tuition reimbursement policy and practices into compliance with the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the Carson versus mixing with that violating the compel support classes in article three of chapter one of the Vermont constitution. And I can tell you, if we submitted this resolution because I don't know how to say it in a few words, because if the legislature failed to address this issue, we failed last year. It passed in the House, but it didn't pass on the Senate. And without legislative action, Vermont will continue to send taxpayer dollars to religious schools in violation with the Vermont constitution and its group support classes. I'm not a lawyer, so that's, but mainly we will continue to discriminate. And we have two systems that don't comply with the rules. Thanks for wondering. I hope that we accept it. Okay. The moves that we passed is a regular resolution. Do I have a second? Okay. I'll second. You don't have? I will. Okay. All right, second. I wanted to finish reading something. Any further discussion? Okay, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, great. Pass as well. And resolution eight, it was also by the committee, the BSBA calls on the general assembly to prohibit the use of restraint and seclusion in any learning environment that receives public funds from the state of Vermont, except when there is a threat of imminent danger, and that's the important part to remember, imminent danger of serious physical harm to the student or others. And when it occurs in a matter that protects the safety of all children. Further, the BSBA calls for thorough data reporting requirements that will provide student demographic information and the development and implementation of statewide technical assistance to promote positive development of use through evidence-based developmentally appropriate programs. Technical assistance should address consistent and accurate reporting to include demographic information. Happy to elaborate, but give you the clip if you want. So, why did the resolutions, sorry, why did the resolutions committee recommend do not? And then the board recommended do pass. So I think that at the beginning, when I had just my smaller resolutions committee, it was a, I think in part, I failed to have better wording. When I said at our board meeting that if you were doing it right now, you had nothing to worry. That sort of alleviated some of the worries because some people felt that, they're already doing it right and we're opening it them up for lawsuits and stuff. And that's not what, last, at the last session, we were asked to testify in seclusion in the learning environment. And there was not a clear understanding what imminent threat of danger is. And it's not, they felt that my other board felt, almost felt threatened by the resolution. I gotta tell you that I consulted with this with Megan who sits as my superintendent, but also sits in the Act 173. And I think Jodi could probably speak to this. It is important that we use best practices and the demographic reporting, it doesn't happen in some of our most vulnerable students are the ones that are being restrained. So a lot of our practices across our districts have changed and this is not to penalize anybody, it's the other way around, is to have a common guidance and best practices across it so that when we testify and the legislature is asking us questions, this is what the definition is, right? And this is what the bar, I don't know, Jodi, maybe you can. Well, I think about the times in the last 25 years that restrainer seclusion was used and almost every student was on some sort of plan and some fit other profiles as well. So it might be a racial group, for example. So I could see if you don't, there's a form that everyone has to fill out, Rule 4500, if they use restrainer seclusion on a student and there's already a law about not using it unless it's a serious situation, but I can see where there's still that reporting concern if the form hasn't been updated because folks tend to just use the form that's in front of them and not necessarily provide the data and it looks like this resolution is looking for. As to who is being restrained. And I know one of our sending school districts has been in the news over this and there was reportedly a lot of restraints taking place in I think one of the elementary schools and when looking into it, it was not sanctioned by the school or done by school employees, it was done by contracted services from Washington County or Green Mountain. So they had a different training and model and so I think this might be trying to get it all in alignment. And if the legislature talked about this in-depth last, this past year, they'll be on the second half of their biennium this coming January, so they could theoretically take action. Do something. Yeah. Yeah, so we need guidance. Does anyone have any interest in making a motion either pass, do not pass or take no action on resolution 8? I would also say in the three years that I've been here, well, this is my third year, I haven't seen it used at all here. I'm happy to make a motion if that would be helpful. No, I'll move. I'll make a motion to pass as a regular resolution. Thank you, Terry. Do I have a second? I'll second. Second. Lots of slides. All right, thanks, Juliana. Okay. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. So that's a pass as a regular resolution. And resolution 9 is pretty self-explanatory, it's just giving us another tool. So the General Assembly should amend Vermont's open meeting law to make fully remote meetings a permanent and voluntary option. That doesn't mean in any way that is the only option, but it just allows us to have a school board as another tool when we need a special meeting or. And, Clark, this is another one where the recommendation is different. Yeah, the board was to pass as a regular resolution. In my subcommittee, we had a smaller group of people that were really concerned that if you make this, if you pass this, that means that boards are just gonna move to fully remote meetings, which means that then you are alienated part of your population, but as a school board, your job is to know your community, right? And this is just meant to get a tool. It's not saying this is the only way that you can have a meeting, it's just giving you a tool, but that's how they felt. So that's why it was different from one to the other, but the board itself, the 22 member board passed it. I see. Thank you. So the way we're operating right now, even this hybrid situation, that will expire, the ability to do that will expire July 1, 2024? Okay. Yeah, July 1, 2024, yeah. Yeah. So this allows us to not have a designated physical location. So for example, Jody and Michelle could run a meeting without them having to be at this, we wouldn't have to have a school location. We just have to be warned. We have to be warned. Yeah, we have to be warned. But again, it's just a tool because we have found out after going through the pandemic and the way that we're operating now that it's an important tool to be able to have remote meetings. Look at us right now, right? So that was the intent of a resolution. It doesn't mean that because it's a resolution that the legislature is gonna take it, but it is more than likely that we would be asked to testify on it. And if we don't have a position, then it would look kind of weird. And I know the leagues of cities and towns have taken a similar resolution. Oh, interesting. Okay, so for other public meetings, they're also finding this ability useful. Yes, yeah. I think to have the option for this board is really important. I mean, I've heard a couple of members a couple of times say, you know, price of gas, blah, blah, blah. You know, I wanna be able to be on the meeting, but I can't see traveling in. So based on that, I would certainly support the recommendation. Okay, thanks, Carl. I don't know if I can comment. I think, sure. But I know, so because our advisory committee meetings are now considered part of the open meeting law and several of my board members are not local. I have a board member that lives in Ireland who's not gonna travel all the way to very board meetings. So having the virtual option, I think it's useful and stuff. And then my other question is, has the community participation been any different at board meetings since the virtual option has been in place as opposed to before when they were fully in place? Yeah, no, that's a good point. That's what I was sort of gonna say. I think this is helpful, my health perspective, right? Oh, I don't know, thanks. Travel, expense, access. And when we haven't had a lot of public comment here, and we always seem to have pretty good crew of folks, both virtually and in person, and I don't really see that changing with this board, but in Montpelier, Roxbury, when we did have a big issue, we had a ton of people who called in or listed in who probably wouldn't have been able to come in person. The other thing is we have work announced, so they're recording it and people can look back on these. That wouldn't change, that has continued to be a really good resource. It does feel like it would be kind of a shame to take this option away. I think we would lose board members and it would be harder for the public to access it, not easier, folks can still come here, but. I agree. I think we should pass it as a regular motion. Yes, I move. Got a motion to pass as a regular resolution. Okay, any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? Okay, great. Yeah, thank you, Carl. That's a really good point. It's the same with workers, to some extent too, right? You're really limiting yourself to folks who are able and willing to drive within. Yeah, and it's how we've all been functioning on our boards and, you know. I'll be curious to see if. So the last part, there's one last part. So, and I can be quick and I'm hoping that you guys are willing to do it as late, which is what we will try to do at the annual meeting too. So we were just going through some regular resolutions and right now we're gonna be looking at the continuing resolutions. We're at the resolutions that we basically keep on the books, right?  And they're specific to the positions on behalf of the association. And they are, they stay in the books literally forever continuing. So there's a few little changes that we wanted to make in some of them. So we were to delete resolution. You can see it there. The first one, one C in supervisory unions and the board recommendation is just because we are after Act 46. It was one resolution that was requiring Act 46. So it's not needed anymore. The next appointment to unified boards delete no longer needed because it was addressed in title 16, chapter 11. The cost containment and statewide healthcare. We wanna amend it as follow. You can read, I don't know if you had a chance and I don't wanna read all of it, but we are basically just clarifying. So the board recommended because any legislative approach for addressing healthcare for school employees might demonstrate that it will reduce cost to school districts of the near and long term and should reflect the health insurance plan norms for the majority of Vermonters. So unless you guys had trouble with those words and then the school choice amend as follows. So we really were just taking striking that sentence there. I don't know if you should I read it Jill or everybody has it in front of them, right? You guys have it, yeah. Yeah, so because we'd be working again on the Carson's versus making the board no longer agrees with leaving in place the status quo. So we wanna amend it. So that's why the board recommended that. And then in early education, if that is any part of it, please stop me if there's a question. And the pre-kindergarten one, are you there, the early education one? If you see this stricken language, we are just making it a lot stronger now. So is the support of fully funded full day pre-kindergarten is really important instead of just saying universal access. Please tell me if you have questions. So Jill, you would be asking for a motion that says that move that we amend the continuous solutions as recommended by the BSBA board and as in the packet. I feel like only one of them applies to us. Yeah. Even universal kindergarten. Yeah. That's containment. Am I reading it right? To just shifting cost increases to the employee? Is that how I read that? No, there's now a statewide health insurance. Sure. It reduced the cost of the school district. Ours keeps going up. So it was 12, it went up 12% this year. Likely to go up again the same amount. Every, yeah. Yeah. So I think if they're gonna do something different, they need to make sure that they're doing something that will reduce the cost to our... Out of the norm. Yeah. Yes. And that's the only one I think that applies to this district. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So you get a full vote. A motion to support the recommendations for edits to the continuing resolutions. Yeah. So moved. Yes, Terry. Do we have a second? I just lost Jana. Second. Oh, Julianne, how can you... Julianne. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? And then the last, last part is the regular resolutions that we already had. So again, they were in the packet if there's specific questions to the timely and reliable information implementation, we already passed that and that issue is being resolved. You see the other ones. I wanna know more about governance of career and technical education schools. Me too. Bye. Well, actually just words were out of my mouth because I was reading the seven days article today about the education commissioner. And I was a little taken aback by how dysfunctional it seems to be right now in the education world. That is really concerning as somebody who's been on a board of career and technical education. And so if it's functional for the bigger part of the circle then I'm really concerned about our circle and I'm wondering if there's gonna be discussion about that. And was there a report or anything that came out from that group, right? Did the legislature pass and they hired that group that we... They hired the group, the group made a recommendation. There was a report that you all received in probably late April, early May and nothing has been done with it since then. And we are at the jail. Sorry to interrupt that. Just to address that issue, we're still working on that. We're having a meeting with some of the legislatures about that, but some of the members legislate tours, not it. But yeah, Jody is correct. It's still not, but it is in our radar. And there are other existing resolutions in our book that address technical and career center. And do you know, Octam, maybe we can find it on their site what the current BSBA resolution is for that governance of career and technical education schools. Yeah, let me, I'll open it up and see. I don't have any for me. I realize not many people pressed a vote on, but it would be good for us to... Almost there. It's O on page six. And let's see. Yeah. So it would still have, but there's not resolution to me. A study should be conducted to better understand the variety of CTE governing models, operations and budgeting structures to exist across the state. The study should examine the inconsistent that impact the student learning. Like you said, this has been done, the duration access career location, that's the existing resolution. Yeah. Thanks for that. Okay. So do we have a motion to agree with this recommendation for the regular resolutions? That's just this amendment. And then to delete the shared school district financial suffers of someone? Yeah, because Michelle can speak to that because it's not. Okay. Michelle is probably doing a little dance. Yeah. Yeah. Big eyes over there. Yeah. Do we have a motion for this last to concur with these recommendations? I'll make a motion. Thank you, Jim. Do I have a second? I'll second it. Thanks, Terri. All right, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any other? Any opposed? All right, so we send you off into the world ready to... I ordered, I'm ready. Thank you for the reason. Oh my God. I'm gonna stuff that one. As you said, you've got a favor. Thanks, everybody. And of course, certainly feel free to log off at any point and say hi to your family. Hi, guys. Thank you for... Thank you, everybody. Thank you, everybody. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for doing that for me. Bye. All right. So next up we have our several recommended policies for first reading. I think Joey has organized them in packets. Yeah, so the first thing I did was I took the chart that the SBA has and I linked. So if you're in our board drive folder, the links to all of those are here. And I had thought that I was just bringing some of the remaining not recommended ones or required, but I found out that we'd only done partial list of the recommended. So these are the rest of the recommended policies for us to review. Remember before we had taken all of the USB policies and continued them for a year. And so now we're turning them into ours and adopting them. So we have the C's, D's, E's and F's of the recommended left. We had done the A's and B's before. I did not make any edits to these. I just put them out because this is first reading for you to review. Hopefully you had a chance to scan them from the packet that you received late Friday. One of the notes that I wanted to say though is that we did hire the equity scholar in residence life. And one of the things that he is working on is revising the equity policy.  He expects that you'll probably adopt it as is for now. And then he hopes to come before the board in either January or February with a revision for you to consider. Since the board is acting as the policy committee as a whole. I also included under the E20, which is the community use of school facilities, the form that we have people apply to use our facilities with so that you can see how that's set up. That it might be helpful. So I'll take questions if there are any. Go ahead, Guy. Someone asked me, because there was another district that was allowing a church to hold services in their school. Would that be allowable under our facilities use at this point? I think the rule is that if you allow one group, you allow all. So it is fine to do so as long as you open it up to anyone and you can't say no to one group. So yeah, sometimes you have to be careful about that because there's the perception that you as a school are supporting a certain point of view. So the choice would be, yes, we open it up to anybody or no, we don't to these certain groups. And I'm gonna need to look at it. Go ahead. Would that mean something as simple as opening it up to a middle school model rocketry group that wanted to use our labs or our workspace? Is that automatically, they're not a. No, that they're automatically something that we could consider because they're a school group. Okay, that opened it up. But can we say nobody can use our space or everybody in their space or is that? It's not quite that broad. But if you were to have a specific, I think I said church group come in and say that they wanted to say that one of the, there's a lot of churches downtown. So one of them chooses to have a group meeting here for some reason. Then if we decide that we're gonna open it up to them, then we would need to allow any group. In previous life, not here, I know that there has been the concern that if you open it up to a specific nonprofit group, you have to allow another nonprofit that might not share the same beliefs or ones that the school wouldn't want represented. So oftentimes it's, if it's anything that is discriminatory in any way, you wouldn't want to support it with the school. So you need to make sure that none of them are discriminatory. And so we're a little bit, I'm trying to remember whether our policy is aligned with the BUUSD at this point, correct or no? It is, yes. And it is. Yeah, but we also are somewhat constrained in terms of, you know, we're also leasing property. So, you know, we have to be careful that we don't violate any of those policies. Correct. And mostly we're looking at our spaces because they would have special uses. So over the last year, there's only actually been a couple of requests to use space. There was a request to use our Baking and Culinary Facility in conjunction with the Spalding cafeteria for an event. So the folks who did that had to apply to us and to BUUSD because they wanted to use some of the equipment in the kitchen that we have in our culinary. And then the other two requests we had were Vermont Works for Women. One was for an evening course that we did hold here. And then one was for the summer welding program that they chose to do elsewhere because of the cost. So based on what Joby, you know, just explained in terms of the policies, I'll make a motion to approve the list of policies for first reading that's prevented for this evening. Thanks, Guy. Second. Second by Lyman and for their discussion. And this is first reading. I think they would be first reading, then second reading, and then third reading. You can adopt it, the second reading, but I don't see you are gonna have some changes to any of these for this evening. No, the district equity policy will come back this year, but not soon enough. Okay. All right. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Okay. Awesome, thank you for all that. A lot, a lot. All right, next up, we're just gonna go through committee reports. So do we have an update from the finance committee? What do we do? You let floor go. I let floor go. And that makes me continue. We just really quickly reviewed the budget timeline that we have and we are gonna bring back to our next meeting our first draft and I guess what was enlightening for me was that floor told me I had to wear my director's hat and not my superintendent hat and bring a wish list to the committee so they could see like, if we could do everything that we wanted to do next year short of having a brand new building, what would it look like? And so the finance committee can work from there. So that's the audit, which is ongoing. I hope to have to report the finance committee in the beginning of December so that we can bring that to the board. So budget will be a big focus of our next couple meetings because I think we need to finalize it of the January I think. So we can get materials out, tax rates, populated, materials out to the public so that by town meeting day, everyone knows what we need and why we need it. Do we have an update from the facilities committee? Yeah. We wanted to bring two recommendations to you guys for some committee members to add to the committee Andy Shapiro and Mike Laiklater who's the superintendent, I believe, Harwood. Great. So both of them would like to join and assist us so you think that's great. Got a little bit of help coming our way. And then we spent a lot of time talking about our smart goal and filling out our template. We didn't quite get to the goal, writing the goal in the meeting, but I drafted one and sent it to the committee for review. So not everyone's gotten back to me yet, but so I think we're well on our way to the smart goal. And we did a little revision to our charter as well, added something in there and that was kind of it. Jody and I miss anything. No, I don't think so. So does the board need to formally approve? I think any member can, I think our articles of agreement or something say we can have members of the community participate on the subcommittees because they don't have like voting power in the way that board members do. That's great. I'm glad you guys have some outside voices. Yeah, that was something we weren't clear on. We didn't know if we could just bring them on board or if we needed the board to say it was okay. So. Maybe we should just be safe. But this, we can just, I'm looking for a motion to add to members of the community to the facilities subcommittee in an advisory capacity. So. Second. I'll second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any post? Thank you. Thank you. That's exciting. We still have a forum, right? So. Yeah. There's six. Okay. Program Quality Committee. We had a good meeting today. We finished our goal and we finished our charter for the handbook. And we, 13 that we talked about that was so exciting. As part of our goal or measurement is to look at several different key pieces of data that are collected both in the fall and the spring on student achievement. The work keys, which gives us a benchmark for this fall. And then we'll be able to look at it again in the spring, which I'm excited about. And including some different parts of reflection for both students and teachers eventually. So it was a good meeting. And you both attended advisory board meetings. We both attended advisory board meetings and they were fantastic. And I think we've got some leads for co-op and internships and all sorts of stuff. Thank you very much for your input. Well, we're sure that we're going to see things for you. I went to building trades. And I mean, is he? Yep. So King Gray was there as well as a timber frame company. And then Janna went to... Medical professions, yep. That's really impressed with their, with their GNI program. Justice, equity, data inclusion. Next up would be negotiations, but we are going to go into executive session later on the agenda, folks and update. All right, next up we have board handbook graph. I think that's a placeholder just to remind us that we're going to be doing this in artist becoming meetings. Especially if we want to sort of approve our handbook. We might have it done before our new folks. Okay. March. March. That's our deadline. Okay. Do you need any action or anything for the rest of the board? I think the other committees are finishing their charters. And once we have that. Yeah. So we might be able to load on it next meeting. All right. Next up we have our superintendent's report. We have almost everybody has completed OSHA 10 or the safety exams for their programs. So we have very high pass rates. And this year we did a little differently. So we're really excited about that. We've seen improved safety across our programs. So that's also been helpful. You see that some of the groups have already taken field trips. We've had students going out on career work experiences which were previously called job shadows. And our teachers went through their professional development statewide. So they're called tech meetings, TEC. And they've been able to go to those and meet with their peers from across the state. It happened once a semester basically. So I think teachers came back from that with some new ideas and some updated understandings of what they're doing. You might have seen in the last one that Abby and I, our counseling coordinator went to the U32 open house. When they invited us, I had basically sent to all the sending schools and asked if they would like us to attend since one school asked. Harwood was the only other one that wanted us there. So I was able to go there on September 28th and mostly talk with middle school students and parents because they were the ones that kept finding me. And then really exciting last week, actually on October 9th, I received an email from a liaison to the governor who asked if we could meet Wednesday afternoon with any instructors who might be working on a renovation of a mobile home. Basically, the AOE and the governor offered four CTA centers, $24,000 gear grant, which had to be spent in literally two days. We got it September 28th and we had to spend it by the 30th to renovate, to buy supplies, to renovate a mobile home that we had not seen at all. And so basically we used it to order supplies that we wouldn't have in any of our programs anyways. And we bought a storage unit to put that stuff in. And then on October 9th, we got the word that we were gonna be able to tour some so that our instructors could take a look at what we would be working on. The instructors came and so did the assistant director and myself and met with the governor and his staff. We toured two different mobile home parks in Berlin and along with the River Bend Tech Center director, Brian Emerson, and we chose a 2023 double wide mobile home which will be delivered sometime in the next month to our building trades location and we'll be taking that apart a little bit and renovating and then we'll put it up for sale. So hopefully by trades fair, we'll have it available for people to tour and to potentially bid on. And then when we take from that sale, we have to pay back those gear funds, the 24,000. Anything above and beyond that is ours as a center to use towards our programs or whatever else is probably gonna cost more than that to fix it up. Super enlightening to see what happened in those homes. And so sad that for the owner of this particular home that like really recently installed and then lost it. So really sad for what I know some of our students probably lived in those homes, folks that we know. Any questions on the superintendent's report? Guy? I have a question, a couple of comments. So Jody, I wanna commend you for advertising for a welding instructor put together curriculum person. I guess I don't know where that person's gonna be but maybe we can talk about that later. The other question I had, I was trying to piece together the relationship with the Green Burial piece in Roxbury in your newsletter. So it was a digital media arts student who created the logo on that sign. Oh, okay, all right, okay. Yep, and the welding instructor basically even though we don't have an approved program as long as we're not enrolling students we can move forward with hiring. That person can develop the curriculum for the welding program that we hope to have approved for next year. And right now we can use them to support some of our programming. For instance, we do have some welding that takes place in automotive. So that person could support automotive during the student day and then be working on the welding components of building that curriculum for next year so that we have a course built in Canvas, for example and also help us in looking for a place. Also, we're looking obviously for where we might house that program and thinking a little differently about our own space if we're full day next year and we can have automotive in the morning and use the same space for welding in the afternoon that might help us in the interim. Sounds great. Joni, did you want to say anything about, I saw you were looking for members or people who might be interested in serving on the comprehensive local assessment? Yeah, so every two years we have to do the comprehensive local needs assessment and basically we need partners from across all stakeholder groups. So parents, students, staff, a board member. I know Guy, you volunteered and someone else did too. It might have been Janna and also industry representatives. So I sent that to the board. I sent it to every person on our advisory list even if they didn't show up for advisory meeting this today. So I have six folks that have already responded that they were interested in participating. I don't have any parents yet but I intend to reach out to them again the next newsletter which is going out tomorrow because I wanted some program advisory stuff to be in there and a couple other things. So I'm hoping that I will get some parents. Basically, we're gonna meet once a month. It's a virtual meeting with this room as an option as well. And the first meeting is November 9th. Basically, I'll just go over what the process is and the things that we'll be looking for and the things we might need to answer. And then we'll move through each section of the CLNA. So the good news is I've done this once and so I think I have a better idea of how to approach it hopefully. But from this, we look at a lot of data, we gather a lot of information and try to make decisions around future programming for the center and how we can better meet the needs of the region and state. And also it helps develop the four-year plan for our Perkins. Thank you so much for your point of service on that but I'm glad you've turned backwards in the plan. Yeah. Moving on on the agenda, advisory board reflections. I think we got those. We got them in from program quality. Did you kind of float? Did you have to kind of float around? I actually didn't, I had hoped to but decided that I'm not gonna go, I'm actually doing really well tonight and not coughing. But yeah. How often did they, so I see it. Advisory board's meet in the fall and the spring. And so I've sent a survey out to my staff to see did they meet their quorum because they also need that and how did this work for them to see if we're gonna do it again in April or if we need to look at other options. In the past it's been done, basically the instructor sets it up at a time that works best for the majority of folks in that industry. So a lot of, I know that the medical ones tended to be in the morning because people were working in the afternoon or thinking in culinary might choose a time when most restaurants are closed. So trying to sort through that, this time might not have been appropriate for a lot of folks. I know building trades, for example, didn't meet the quorum. So it's probably because folks are still working and not able to attend. So we're gonna kind of look at, is there another way to do this? The hard part is if you have them all spread out, there's less access for all of you to potentially participate. And it's hard to warn all those meetings because they are public meetings. So it was something where we tried first time. We'll see what the feedback is. Guy? Yeah, I just want to pass along as a board member and I think we as a board really appreciate the fact that we have another layer of people that are passing along their knowledge to our students and to our program. So I just want to say I'm really appreciative. I wasn't able to attend today, but I've been to a few in the past and it's very valuable. So I want to pass along my appreciation. Thank you. And the open house is coming up next month. Is it before our next board meeting? One month from today, October, November 16th. Great. Next up is accounts payable. Are there any particular things we had to raise? Those were sent to us each month and then the board is gonna and Joey writes to sign them a warrant.  I don't need to take any action there unless anyone has any questions. All right, I do think we have one person who's currently losing, unfortunately. Lost. Yeah, so we hired a STEM coordinator, a science teacher from Idaho, and she took the leap and moved here by herself leaving behind her husband and three children in the hopes that they would be able to sell their home and follow her quickly. And unfortunately that didn't happen. And I cannot imagine apart from my, if I had three kids, one at like six years old and up how that would feel to be watching them for over a month from a video chat and not in person. And it was really hard on her. And so she did kick off some really great projects in some of our programs. And I do have exit survey information from her about where it was difficult. And I think that there are ways that we could have supported her better and maybe made it a little easier, but ultimately without the kind of market in Idaho that we have here in Vermont, she just couldn't make the leap this time. So she did end up leaving us in September, unfortunately. And we are seeking someone else to fill that role. She did a great job with the folks that she worked with when she was here. Next step, if someone could read the motion to go to executive session for a negotiation committee update, do we hopefully put it in the agenda as that? I moved the board and turned to executive session for the purpose of a negotiations update as premature general public knowledge and clearly placed the board in the associate edition involved at a substantial disadvantage. In addition, we'd like to invite Superintendent Judy. Judy Hammerson into the executive session. Thank you. Do I have a second? I'll second it. All those in favor, say aye. Second. Aye. So, Judy's just.