The reason why the narcissist comes back, the reason why the narcissist returns to you, the narcissist was devaluing you, they underestimated your worth and importance, they made you feel like you weren't good enough, they may have called you crazy, they may have called you a psychopath, they tried to make you feel like there was something wrong with you as though you were lying to them, as though you were trying to gaslight them, as though what you were doing wasn't right, if you weren't aware of this information at the time you may have believed them, you may have believed that what they were saying about you was true, many victims of narcissistic abuse are convinced into believing that there is something wrong with them, or that they are the narcissist, but if you were already aware of this information, you will have known that they were just projecting, projection is a defence mechanism where the narcissist ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities, by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to you, and that is why they may often accuse you of doing things that they are doing, they may randomly come out and say something about you, which may be a perfect description of what they are doing, because in that brief window they have identified what they were doing, they were aware that what they were doing was wrong, but they didn't want to own it, narcissists are shame based individuals doing everything they can to avoid reflecting on their shame, but that doesn't mean there aren't going to be brief moments where they do realise what they are doing, if they weren't fully aware of what they are doing, they wouldn't feel any need to project their qualities onto you, they call you a liar because they know that in that moment they are lying, they call you a psychopath because in that moment they feel like that's what they are, but they don't want to own it, they don't want to take accountability for their actions, the narcissist is always going to choose their false self over accountability, they are always going to choose their false self over their source of supply, it's essential for their emotional survival, it's essential for the existence of their false self, so they have no choice but to throw you under the bus, they have no choice but to criticise blame or punish you, even if you are in a vulnerable position so that they can avoid blame or gain an advantage over you, narcissists don't care about the truth, they don't care about what is right or wrong, they have no moral compass, they only care about what's easiest for them, and most often they will leave you knowing that you are not to blame, knowing that they were responsible for everything that happened, and that is why it's so easy for them to come back to you, when they come back they won't have any need for closure or validation, because they already know that they were at fault, you will be the one who is seeking closure from them, because you were the real victim, you were the one who didn't know what was going on, but if you ever tried to discuss anything they did to you, they will always find a way to blame you, they will always have a justification for the abuse, or they may just deny that it ever happened, they may just get you to focus on your reaction to their abuse, so that they can dodge the shame that they would otherwise feel for what they have done, after the narcissists left you, it's likely they found someone else, it's likely that they found a new source of supply, and while everything may have been okay in the beginning, it's only a matter of time until the narcissist began to devalue this new source of supply, now even they were not good enough for the narcissist, and this is when the narcissist may start to re-idealize you, but this is not because they miss you, this is not because they care about you, they always see the grass as being greener on the other side, they always see other people's situations as being more attractive than their own, the narcissist is looking for convenience, they are looking to be able to proceed with something without difficulty, they are looking for comfort, ease, enjoyment and satisfaction, they want to experience an easy and effortless way of life, often at someone else's expense, and that is why they left you, because it was no longer convenient for them, it became more trouble than it was worth, it was not important, youthful or beneficial enough to justify the effort or difficulty that it required, and they saw a better situation elsewhere, maybe you could no longer provide them with what they were looking for, narcissists often want to live an extravagant lifestyle, they want to live a life where they can lack restraint and spending money or using resources, where they can spend more than what is necessary or wise, they need to indulge in constant entertainment, they need to be provided with constant amusement and enjoyment, they have a strong sense of entitlement, but they don't want to take responsibility for anything, they don't want to do the work, so it's often like dealing with a big baby, someone who needs to be constantly burped and fed, someone who becomes your responsibility and concern, someone you are constantly anxious and worried about, someone who is very immature and someone who wants you to deal with the consequences of their actions, it's just like dealing with a small child who can't get their way, when you don't do what they want, they run off to the other parent because they think it's going to be more convenient for them, but when that parent realize what the child is trying to do, they go back to the other parent and it's not because they love one parent more than the other, they're just going wherever they think is going to be more convenient for them and it's the same thing with a narcissist, all they care about is convenience, they want to be able to proceed without difficulty, they want to get their way often at your expense and they really don't care how you or anyone else feels about it, which is why whenever there's a narcissist you will often see a group of people running circles around them, trying to make sure they're okay, trying to cater to their every demand because narcissists need convenience, they need comfort, ease, enjoyment and satisfaction and it's always at the expense of those around them, while everyone else becomes their workhorse, everyone else has to work around them, everyone else has to find a way to overcome or avoid their difficulties or problems, it's never enough for the narcissist, no matter what you do, they will never be happy, they will always want more, they will always be something wrong because everything has to be done their way, they always have to get what they want and it's often going to be at your expense, but when you figure this out, when you realize the game, that is when they will leave you to deal with their problems, they will leave you to pick up the bill and that is when they will go wherever is most convenient for them, just so they can do the same thing all over again to someone else, luring them in with false displays of fairness and equality, only to try and take everything away from them, while making them believe that nothing they do is good enough, the narcissist is a bucket that can never be filled, they can never be satisfied with anything you do for them, no matter what you do, they will always have something to complain about, they will always make you doubt your integrity, they will always make you doubt your qualities and abilities, but you need to remember the work you put in, to be the person you are today, you need to remember everything you did for them, and you need to remember how they treated you, how they always lacked appreciation for you, how they made you feel like nothing you did was good enough, how they made you feel like you were to blame for everything, the narcissist isn't coming back because they care about you, they're not coming back to resolve anything, they're just coming back because it's convenient, it has nothing to do with you as a person, they never even took the time to get to know you, all they know is things that can be used against you, things that they can use to make them look like they're not the problem, the narcissist doesn't care about anyone but themselves, they will only act like they care when they are getting what they want from you, when they know they've got you under their thumb, everything has to be catered to them, everything has to be convenient, but when you have your own ideas or preferences, it becomes a problem, because then it's no longer convenient for the narcissist, the narcissist doesn't want a relationship, they just want convenience at your expense, thank you for watching, I hope this video isn't with you, please like, comment, share and subscribe, if you would like to donate, my PayPal link is in the video description, 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Hi. Hi. Nice to see you again and this time face-to-face. We did the live remote chat video a couple years ago, right? Yes, it was in 2021. And please introduce yourself. Okay, I'm Rong Zhongli and I'm the inventor of OpenCat and we have the product as Nebo Cat and Beto Dog. We have proud founded both of the products on the Kickstarter. This is the first prototype, the original OpenCat. Nice. So it's for people who don't want to have a real cat, I'm joking, but it's like it's like a fully articulated cat-dog device. Yes, I'm trying to reproduce all those complex motions. That means I have to have so many actuators, springs and sensors and chips. Are you trying to copy the real animal with all the articulation? It's like they've been designed by nature over millions and billions of years. So they must be optimal in the way the legs and everything is. Yes. So actually I'm taking some inspirations from nature and I believe since they have been optimized during evolution, I think if I follow some concepts, it will be an optimal solution in engineering. Nice. And you have a lot of fans around the world, no? Since you launched? Yes. And I think it was a fan that supported me so that I can make my dream come true. What is your background? I'm a physics PhD and a master in income design. And after my graduation, I also taught in my university for two years. So I know the so I was able to derive some basic principles for the robot, not quite from the aspect of robotics major, but from the very first principles of physics and math. And I also know like how to introduce those concepts to people who don't know because I have been a teacher. So that also defines the features of our product. First is a very cool robot. Second, it has functionality as a teaching tool and also a researching tool. There's one thing I always wonder, which I don't understand how it's possible, that biology in nature, sometimes you have you have like dogs, they run so crazy fast and I don't know where they get the energy from. They just run, run, run, run. And you have birds like flying thousands of kilometers. What's the kind of battery they have? Where is it coming from? OK, that's a different kind of question. But you're trying to emulate that because you don't want to use too much power when they move, right? It has to be optimal. Yeah, so every energy comes from the sound, basically. And we store the energy into the battery because the limitation of the battery, we cannot store more power in the battery. So we have to optimize the design. One very important factor is the weight of the robot. So that means I will optimize all the structures that it has enough strength, but not too much weight so that it will reduce its own burden. And also we need to optimize the position where the actuators are positioned to reduce the burden on each joint to reduce the rotational inertial on each on the joints. Nice. So can we walk into your office right here? Yes. So we're here. Actually, we are during the holiday, but you're always working? Yes, every day, seven days a week, 14 hours a day. 365 days? Almost. You go to hometown, no? I do hometown. It's about 10 hours train, high speed train. Is that also where you study and teach? Is it in the hometown? No, when I was in the USA. In the USA? Yes, I've been in the USA for nine years. And where was that? My university was called Wake Forest. I've been there for eight years and then I moved to Pittsburgh to start my company. Cool. Alright, so let's walk in. So obviously your colleagues are on holiday right now. Yes, everyone. Can you introduce a little bit your colleagues? Who could it be here? Okay. This guy is for the structural design. This one is the office manager. This seat is for the BD, business developer, development, basic sales, and this is our software engineer. This is our electronic engineer. Alright, I have a quick connection there. This is our media producer who takes pictures, videos, and edit. This is our workbench for the hardware. All these inventories, soldering irons, it's quite messy. And we also have our water tank. This is the mascot? No, you already have the mascot. This is the cat and the dog. Is there electronic in there? Is something happening? Yes, it's filtering the water. And we have some baby fishes. Oh, they have the baby fish area. Nice. 3D printers. There was one desk over there also? Yes. Did you talk about this one? Yes, it's a mechanical structure. Alright. And so where do you meet your colleagues? Where? Yeah. How long time you work with them? Well, actually for the first three years, I was a women company and I designed all the stuff at the factory area. It's not like the city. It's basically factory area. I just lived in the factory and so focused on my development. Then two years ago, I moved back to Shenzhen and tried to form the team to work with me. Where was the factory? It's in Dongguan. Dongguan. So it's like one hour or something from here? One hour and a half? If the traffic is good, then it's about one hour drive. Alright. And so there's still the factory over there? Yes. That's where you manufacture? Yeah. This office is basically our research center. Nice. For the production line, it takes much more space. We produce thousands of the robot. Is it okay to film some of the prototypes that are around? You can take it and later I can tell you which one cannot be released. Ah, okay. Alright.  Yes. And this guy, this is the secret? No, it's some people, some other people's product. And here, this is a special workbench for the dog bench. Alright. And this is your office in there? Yeah. Alright. It's quite messy. Sometimes I sleep here. Cool. Yeah. In China, this is a tradition after lunch. Everybody sleep a little bit in the office. Is that also here? Yes. That's true. Alright. So let me just put this right here. Alright. So you mentioned business development before. What's the potential for business development? Because you did an amazing project in crowdfunding. And what could be the potential, you know, next level for your company? What could happen? So originally the project was so focused on the maker. Maker sector, like people who know Arduino, who know Raspberry Pi, and basically the DIYers who has the knowledge and patience to learn. We were successful in that little sector, in that niche market. And this nibble was the product for that stage. It's made by laser cut wood. But now we face the problem. That is, if the product is too complex, it increases the skill level. It increases the barrier for people to use it. Well, my goal to make this company to run this business is to introduce robotics to the general public. So although it's very challenging, but we are still trying hard to lower the barrier and make our robot more accessible to the general public. So our second generation robot is like this one. If you put them side to side, you can see this one is more polished. It has all these injection molded plastics. It's more durable and it's much easier to assemble. And during the development, we also improved the software a lot. Previously, we used this, we draw this PCB. It's basically an Arduino with many other assistive chips and sensors on it. Is it the same chipset that's on Arduino? Yes, it's compatible with Arduino Uno. And this was the only chip we used for this cat. If you want to program it, you need to learn the Arduino. Wasn't it ATML or what did it do? It's an ARM Cortex-M3. It's a very classical simple chip with very limited resources. But I managed to shrink all the code into this. Cortex-M, right? No, not yet. It's not even an ARM Cortex-M? So, to consider its parameters, it has 32 kB flash. 32 kB flash and a 2K S-ray. Oh, wow. People usually use it to just light up some LEDs. But we shrink all the motion functionality into this chip. And later, because to program this chip, people need to know Arduino, which is a text-based coding arrangement. A lot of people feel very uncomfortable with it. And sometimes they need to load libraries. It sounds familiar for programmers, but it's not for the general public. So we improved the workflow. For example, include the libraries into our release of the whole coding package. That's the first step. After they download our package, they can run the Arduino program directly. And second, we even skipped the Arduino environment. We wrote a wrapper using Python. And we wrote a Python graphical interface in Python that people can upload from where they can calibrate the robot using some sliders instead of remembering the numbers for offsets. And we also designed a tool that can visualize the postures of the robot and can design them just like designing some stop-motion animation. And we also developed the smartphone app that people can wireless connect to it. Before it was using this remote, it's one-to-many. If two people want to raise their robot, it's impossible because it's basically broadcasting. But using the Bluetooth smartphone app, it can be one-to-one controlled. And they can design their own functional buttons, customize the buttons in the app. Arduino is a big community, no? Yes. So are you able to bring in a lot of the stuff that's happening in Arduino? Yes. One benefit of using the Uno compatible board is because Uno has been around for about 10 years. For 10 years? Yes. Uno has been around for 10 years and people have generated a lot of content, tutorials to utilize this chip. And we have all these sockets that can plug different sensors. And we actually have been selected as the most popular Uno project during the 10 years. There were 12 of them and we are among the 12. Wow. That's cool. But one thing I wonder is one of the trends in the industry is computer vision, AI, self-aware little robot thing. Is it possible that you want to consider getting to a bigger chip? Yes. We solve this problem from two directions. One direction is to increase the processing power of the board. And we are now having another board called the Byboard. If you know, if you are familiar with this, it's an ESP32 board, a very popular board in the IoT. It has the built-in 1S connection, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. And it also has much faster CPU and larger programming space. And we have already released this board. It's been mass produced and the firmware is also ready for people to use. But still, this board is only for motion. It can feature, oh, maybe you can get up. This is the board right here? Yes. ESP32, a famous board. It also has been around for more than five years. Right? Yeah. So this board is much faster and can feature smoother and faster motions. But to stance the environment, we need more sensors and processing power. So we don't try to put everything onto a single board, but try to separate them into different layers. It's quite bionic like it has the brain that can process all the sensors from the eyes, ears, touch. And then the instructions are sent to the spinal cord and the little brain for coordinate all these motions. Basically, this board is like the little brain. And for the brain, we have a separate processor. For example, we have an intelligent camera. By itself, it can recognize people, shapes, symbols, and it can return the conclusion through this cable. And our main board can process some feedback loop after receiving the conclusion from this camera. And also, for example, this one is a voice recognition module. It can recognize more than 40 voice commands and it has 10 customizable voice commands. All right. Yeah. I'm trying to focus right here. All these chips have some AI calculations on it and then send their conclusion to our main board. So for example, the computer vision one is just basically you put the processing at the level of the camera. Yes. This one. This one has our logo on it. This one has our logo on it. Yeah. This one is a new sample we are testing. So this could be its own chip going on here. Also expressive. And so the idea is modular processing where each organ or something has its own chip and then it speaks through communication. You can add processing that way. Yes. And it also brings the benefit that after like in the future if we upgrade the chips in any section, we don't need to worry about the compatibility because they share the same communication protocol. Is a new board compatible with the previous design? Yes. You can just swap it in. Yes. This you can see very clearly both are using the same frame and both are compatible. Nice. That's awesome.  Yes. And because we are mass producing them, we try to use the same component even for different models like they share the same parameter of the springs. This is a very tiny aspect, but it's also a workload for the inventory management. So we try to use the same component and also for this battery because we customize this battery, the MOQ, the minimum of order quantity is 5K. So we have to make good use of these batteries. It's a good battery? They share the battery. The chip iron and everything? Yeah. It's quick release. And do people buy a kit that can have extra battery? Yes. We offer the battery as an independent accessory. People can buy as many as possible. One battery can support for about one hour continuous working. And if it's sitting, it can be there for more than two or three hours. And charging takes about two hours. Nice. So a couple of years ago, I started seeing these Boston Dynamics. And they're so fascinating. I wonder, have you seen if people have done really useful things? Is the most useful example is a SpaceX. They send it in to check the launch pad after a launch to check there's no bad chemicals in the air before the humans come. But do you see any inspiration from that kind of area to bring something smaller that could do a bunch of useful tasks? So for the useful tasks like what has been advertised by Boston Dynamics, for example, patrolling or inspection at factory, or some things after the deletors, or some general industrial or transportation tools. All these applications, in my opinion, are a long future to come. Because all those demos they should currently they always have an operator behind it. It takes at least maybe 10 years. At least 10 years so they can be fully autonomous in these applications. So I think I consider usefulness from a different way. Both of Boston Dynamics and me are making robotic animals, robotic dogs. Why is it not a wheeled car? Because we both see the value in its animal shape. Animal shape means it has legs that can work through different difficult terrains like stairs or even spaces. And it can roll recover, it falls back. That's the functionalities that a regular car doesn't have. But besides that, I also see the real meaning of animal in our daily life. Just consider the relationship between humans and animals during the long evolution into the civilization area. How we interact with the home animals, how we collaborate in our household. So there are basically two types of animals. One animal that can be the labor for humans like horse, cows, that can be the engine in production. Yeah, donkey or transportation to like horse or dogs who can be the guard for the home. That's the real helpful animals. But there are other kind of animal, we call it pet. The pet means it may be not doing any meaningless things. For example, cat is basically eating your stuff but not giving you respect. But people just cannot get rid of them because we humans are emotional. We have the need to interact with another form of creature. We are social animals, we talk to people. But sometimes we just don't need another people but some form of intelligence that can communicate with us but not as smart as us. So that we can feel less lonely. I think my little robots are in that application. That is a little moving robot on your table. And you can interact with it in some forms like programming. That's for technicians who can define all the behaviors of the robot. Or it can be just plain cute using some others already written program just to make you happy. Because there is this role that I think dogs, for example, bring better health to their owners.  But also it triggers something in the psycho-conscious, in the brain and stuff.  It's always supporting you. Potentially you could have small functionalities like I'd like my pet to say give me notifications when I have new email. Or when I have like there's a new show on Netflix or some kind of like if this then that kind of things. Potentially there would be a whole range of useful cases. Maybe it starts barking when my wife is approaching the house. So to warn me a little bit and say I need to finish cooking or whatever. Or wake me up in the morning at an alarm clock. Is there any consideration in adding those kind of functionalities like a smart assistant kind of thing? Yeah, of course. As long as the robot can handle itself. Meaning it can move on its own without the help of people. This cannot be done by some regular cars like if the car flips it cannot roll back and it will cry for help. But for our robot if it falls over it knows it's a beauty instinct it will roll back. And it should have a very good understanding of the environment.  What sensors are you talking about there? Like the light, distance, sound, heat and so on. It's also modular we can add more in the future. Where do you add the extra sensors on the robot? Head. You just go on the head?  Bigger head? Yeah. For example when you showed this before the camera module it would also go somewhere up there? Yeah, before when we designed this robot is still a bridge between the programmer and the general public. So we don't consider too much about the integrity. We basically let the dog to bite on the sensor. And for teaching or researching it's enough because every time people use it they just focus on one module. Like with the camera it makes one class with another sensor it makes another class. But if we want to let more people to enjoy the robot we have to consider about the integrity. That's why we need to put all these sensors into one so that it's almost like a smartphone. You don't need to consider like I need to plug in the camera today. I need to plug in the microphone today. It's just a built-in and after this product is built people only need to work on the software side. And you said it has to work by itself. It'd be nice if you can plug itself into charge. That's one feature feature. To make that happen it will need to have the planning. First the understanding of the floor plan of your house. And then the planning how to return to the charging station. And we don't think this technology to be too difficult. There are so many projects already around just controlling a car. And using the lighters or double camera for special slam.  Our key feature is the motion ability on the legs. So we are now more focused on making this platform stable. And for the other features such as the human recognition or the slam we can just use in some existing modules. I like listening to Elon Musk interview sometimes. And he said that in the industry there was some issue with actuators. That nobody was really optimizing very powerful actuators to do his humanoid that he wants to do and stuff like that. What's the status in Shenzhen where you source all these components? Like new generations all the time and the latest one is really good at doing exactly what you need for the weight and everything? So when it comes to robotics there is no correct answer. Or all in one solution. It all depends on how you design the full system. It's really a search and experiment to see which servo or which motor fit in your robot. For us our strategy is to use some traditional solutions but with optimized parameters to maximize its performance. And also on our side we optimize the body frame to make it light. And to optimize the algorithm to reduce the computational power to reduce the need for batteries and so on. So that whole system is so compact that it can be holding on your hand. And for those larger robots their strategy may be different. Sometimes you have to partner with some top tire of the manufacturers who are always exploring how like the best performance of structure. But in that sense that means it will invest a lot of research and development funding into maybe just 100 units of a certain structure. They are very cool to look at and let you know how far human technology can go. But between that technology to our daily life there will be a very long time to come. Would you say how many fans and how many users you have in the world? So far we have sold more than 10k units worldwide. It's quite a lot no? Sometimes I guess one customer is like a whole class because it could be the teacher. It's actually times 30 could be 300k. But it's not how many of those go into education? How many of those are the parents, geeky dads giving their kids or playing it with themselves? Who do you think your customers are? It's a mixture and sometimes it's hard to give a very accurate ratio of those. But yes the kind of users you just mentioned are the typical users. For example a teacher or professor who may put an order for 10 units for her class. And for some engineers, technical guys who buy the robot. And they may explain to their wife it's for their kids to know programming. But maybe it's just for him who really loves it. Country these are the two major users. One is from the educational researching aspect. One is for the individuals who likes programming and robotics in general. Where is your community kind of like forum and a host where people can interact with other users and ask how to fix something or explore new ideas and everything? We are on the social media. We are on YouTube, on Twitter and Instagram. And we also host a user forum that's hosted on our official site. It's called patoy.camp, P-E-T-U-I-DOT-C-A-M-P. If you enter that address you can directly go to the forum. So would you say you might be one of the more successful robotics education projects in the world? Or are there some that I'm missing here that are huge huge? Like are there some education robots for example or that are selling in millions or it doesn't really happen? It's not happening yet. For us we are still during the stage to transform between a hobbyist project that meets the needs for geekers, makers to some industrial or educational applications. So for us if we can expand the applications in education that will already give us maybe 10 times or 100 times of growth. So this is also our current focus to make it more general to meet the needs for people who has the need to learn, who has the patience and the funding to learn. And after that if we have reached the ceiling of that application we may explore some higher or more general applications. For example some programming tools, even replacement or alternative of pets. But what's the biggest project in the industry in your market? The biggest industry. The biggest, most famous kind of like competitor to you. Do you want to talk about it? Like are there any ones much bigger than 10,000 people or not so many? It doesn't really, you're one of the bigger ones. Well in terms of units sold, I think Sony Ivo has more than maybe 20 or 30k units sold worldwide. But that was since 1990s. Yeah that was an amazing product for this time right? Yeah and it was also an inspiration for my project. One very interesting thing I discovered was after I returned to China when I was cleaning up my room I found my old diary. And on one page that was on July 5th about 20 years ago. I wrote, oh today I saw a robot on television. It's a robot dog. It can really walk. That's amazing. 20 years ago. And my company happens to be founded on the same day July 5th in 2017. Yeah that's a very great coincidence. I didn't know that. One thing I heard is that the Ibo's, some reason Sony didn't want to make millions of them. And so they stopped making them. But like the old people's homes in Japan, they look for them everywhere in the second hand market. And they've been paying a lot of money to buy them even though they're several years old. Because these people in these elderly care homes, they just love having that company to have the little Ibo dog walk around and do little noises. That's another evidence to show the companion robot is the real market. Maybe it's not for everyone but it has the user base. For example the lonely elderly or lonely young people who live in the city area who doesn't have time and space to take care of their pets. And there's a good news. Sony has resumed the Ibo product about five years ago already. They have their new Ibo model and it's currently being sold. Brand new design. It's cost a few thousand dollars right? Three thousand. Three thousand US dollars. And with subscriptions, you have to pay subscriptions to keep it active, to keep it intelligent. That's a lot. That's funny. But how many do you think they make of those? How many? Is it the small quantity? I think it will also be counted in tens of thousands of units. All right. So that's in the dog cat-like style. But how about the other style of the educational robots? Would you say what is the most successful in the whole industry? How far are you from them? Which one could it be? Is it like Lego Technics? Yeah. That kind of stuff? Yes. This is maybe the top most popular platform? Yeah. But I also heard Lego has stopped the Minestorm product line. Maybe they are not making enough money for that, even for Lego. Yeah. I need to call them up over there in Denmark and say, hey, what's going on? But of course the big challenge is to bring this, as you were saying, to millions and millions of people. And to make a platform, if you can do that transition, your company is completely different, right? Yes. And so this is what you're working on, to try to see how you bring this to the next level. And who knows? You say it's maybe not for everyone, but everybody I think gets notifications on their phone.  And they probably need something a little bit nicer at home. Different shape. It's more interesting than the phone. And the key factor, of course, is still the price, right? If it doesn't cost any money, it would be cool to have a working gadget on your desktop. So our problem to solve is how to zip all those core functionalities into your platform that's affordable to everyone. And easy to use for everyone. Because when we talk about the Boston Dynamics, isn't it 80,000 or 100,000 dollars? Maybe, maybe even 140, I don't know how much, but it's quite expensive.  It's about less than 300 US dollars. So that's like, if it's become very, very useful for many, many people, it will be no-brainer. Yeah, it's already been kind of popular gift during the holiday season. We see the increase of sales because people are searching for robot dog toys during that holiday season. The problem for us is still like how to make it very convenient, easy to use. For people who are paying for 300 USD, if they cannot fully explore its features, I mean all these open source programming features, it's still too much for them. But if they can enjoy the programming possibilities, then I would say it's the best option they can find on the market. Because we are not making a lot of money over the boom, the build materials, but really trying to promote this kind of robot. So what I'd like to see is, for example, when I'm sleeping, it should go and sit and wait in a bedroom and wake me up when I need. And then it should be very smart at staying out of the way. Like that's one thing that I'm amazed with cats and dogs. They have such ability of, you know, I'm always worried that people step on their dogs, but somehow the dog is always staying away and they know how to stay away from these huge humans. So it needs to have that capability. And then when you go to the living room and you sit and watch TV or something, it should be following you over there and do some smart functionality for you over there. If you go to the kitchen, it follows you over there. It should be always kind of like following you around and always ready to help with something. Or just be there for you like a little friend. How far are you from potentially doing that? Because do you need to have the full computer vision? It's just going to be on the little module for the camera like this. Everything will run on here. Or could you potentially have a cloud processing that helps you in real time, you know, avoid obstacles, step over something and go a little bit to the side, avoid the human and then always know where they are in the house. We try to avoid cloud computation for now because one thing is the latency of the network connection. And second is we are building kind of digital life creature. And for creature, the one key feature is the independence of its own. Like as long as we can find food, we can live on our own. It's the same concept. If we have enough power in the battery, the robot should be able to run it on its own. Even when there is an outrage of the whole city's network, it should still be working. So we try to make all the computational locally. And for the need, you mentioned like how the robot can follow you to be your companion or to provide help. If we just develop this functionality as a demo, it could be accomplished in a few months. But our problem is just making a cool demo is not really making values to the users. We have to make some completed functionality integrated into a product. That would be a very hard problem to solve. There will be a lot of edge cases. Just to give you an example, like I made this prototype of the robot in about two or three months. It has all the four functionalities of working around. But it took me five years to polish it from this version to this version. And to optimize the software, the user interface, user experiences, and so on. It's very different between making research in university, which I was familiar with. You just write papers saying it could be used for what, what, what. And it will be accomplished by some magic magicians, like people who happens to have the ability to turn them into the product. But the fact is, although we have made so many statements in papers, in academic, but very few of them can really be turned into a really useful thing for the general public. And since I'm so into this technology, to this robot, I feel the responsibility that I really dive into the industry and to polish every aspect of the technology as a product that's easy to use and affordable for everyone. And it can be nice if you have 10,000 people working for you, like all your users who want to upstream improvements, like software capabilities, and they could be contributing back to the ecosystem and have kind of like applications. Do you have something like that, applications, or how do you add, I want this module, this, and just click and add, add, add, add this functionality. And then, oh, this thing has bugs and some other guy somewhere else, like in Italy or in Brazil. And it just goes in and fixes that and, you know, submits it back. Is that the vision? Yes. So by the framework of this software, it's already possible because we are open sourcing the software on GitHub. It's open source for basically for everyone who uses this robot. They have access to the code. They can change any bit of it. And some of them will submit changes, submit bug reports to it. And some more general public users, they will write to our support email. And we can recognize the bug and we can provide the first we direct them to the FAQ where we have a detailed debugging routing to locate the problem. Then we either to give them a remote session to fix it or we provide replacement for them. So far, although we hope that the technical users can submit modes or packages, but still I think it's based on the probability and the people skill set, like people who are able to understand the whole code, maybe just a little portion of the whole user. And the total user base is not as large as the smartphone. It's just 10K. That's it. So maybe we only receive one or two uploads from the community every month. What if there's a big Sony competitor or something like that who thinks, Oh, I really would like to launch in partnership with you something in a bigger scale. You open to that potential? I actually have received a few tycoons in both China and the US who said, Well, I would pay you a certain amount of money and you build a robot that meets our definition and will have our brand on it. That means we will be the OEM manufacturer or ODM manufacturer for them. Every time I would consider their offers and their requirements, whether it's applicable and whether it can help us to grow. So far, the featuring posters or featuring motions are kind of, how to say, symbolic features of our product. But if we make this available on those bigger brands, then they will have the benefit of their fame. They have their marketing channels that everyone would think, Oh, it's made by those big companies and later it will really harm our own brand. So I'm not very open to that opportunity. Because what I wonder is, it seems you have an amazing office with some, I haven't met them because they're on holiday, but nice guys that potentially you can do a lot and a small team. But sometimes I wonder if suddenly somebody comes and says, I will add 100 engineers with your project, but maybe that could be like one way to get to the next level somehow faster. I guess sometimes if you are a bigger team, it's hard to have everybody as efficient and then the efficiency turns around and suddenly that's why I think many big companies, they don't do much anymore. It's weird and it's hard to be innovative for them. And an example is once a very large company in China who is in robotics, asked me to make a robot product for themselves. The funny thing is they have thousands of engineers and maybe half of them would be PhDs. But the thing just happened, they cannot handle these many people to push a project forward. There are so many opinions around and the project, there will be so many conflicts. Just taking example, regardless of politics, regardless of the relationship between people, just think that you have five good engineers and each one is handling one aspect of it, structure, electronics, software, industrial design and the general functionality definition. Everyone, they may be the expert in their area. Say everyone is trying to make the best out of their skill set but there will be conflict of some interfaces or something. They may not be that willing to compromise for the benefit as the whole. When I was designing this robot as a one man team, it's very fine for myself. I may have already made seven iterations of the frame but later when I realized it cannot fit, I can just abandon all those previous work. And that would be unacceptable if it was done by one of the top engineers in that team. So in that sense, if you have a smaller team, you can have better communication and understanding of each other. And that can be more efficient than a huge team. When I see your product, I'm just thinking, oh my God, there's so many potential things that could be added. And I'm thinking it's probably hard for even if you guys are the best engineers in all of Shenzhen, it's probably hard to do all these ideas. Because you want to have, for example, perfect microphone array. You want to capture the sound like these Google speakers and everything. You want to capture the sound from the other room. It needs to be clear all the commands. And you want to have decent speakers so you can speak back, at least bark back something meaningful. And you want to have computer vision with two cameras. They both need to be 4K, 60 or whatever. And then you need a huge ARM CPU and a powerful GPU and a neural network, everything on the dog. That's kind of like... That's a huge amount of work. That's far away from where you are, no? Yeah, that requires a lot of engineering and R&D work. So I just said that from our current stage, it's the best option just to increase the efficiency and the communication between team members. But if we got the chance to work with more people, better people, and I would be also happy. So for now, because we don't have so many people, we have to make choices. Like vision is cool, voice is cool, blah blah blah is cool. But what are our core values? We have to make that choice, that decision to focus our limited resources into one that can make us unique and to make this product to be sold. We have the chances of getting investment and we are also opening to it. But I think besides telling cool stories that can raise funds, I think more real value comes from the market feedback. Like I quite enjoy getting the money from our real customers who are willing to buy out from their own pocket which money could be used for their better dinner, better movies, but they are willing to pay for our robot and after they receive it, they use them in their real life and give feedbacks. In that way, I can ensure that all this money is being spent on the right direction rather than like I have my belief, I have a big picture and I tell this to the investors. They are capitals. Of course, they can decide, spend millions of dollars into one company. But many cases happens when the story, the belief don't work in real life and in that way the resources of the society is wasted. Yes, like you want to be a real company based on real usage out there. You don't want to be just like one of these Silicon Valley startups that get valuation of a billion and they don't ship anything. But on the other hand, sometimes the consumer needs to be poked in a direction and the poking happens with something that has to come from maybe some kind of investment, I guess. But the best way is if you can invest just what you make selling your product and if that's enough to make a big leap, then that's amazing. So it's all about balancing. It's about the pace, how much you make money, how much you raise money, how much you sell. I'm kind of conservative in that process. I take every step firmly. It's also like when I was a child, I learned all those fundamental science concepts, calculations very carefully and then I can ensure in later decisions there won't be any mistakes when I'm doing more complex calculation. Running a business is also like doing math. If some of your first early principles are wrong, then it could be totally wrong. I guess you're working on the holiday. It's hard work to run your own company. It's really hard, but how do you enjoy this Shenzhen life compared to the USA stuff? Because my feeling is Shenzhen is like the city of opportunity. It's the place where everything is possible in a way that nobody, nowhere else in the world. This is a very special place. When you are saying so, it's almost like talking about USA 100 years ago. People would say USA is full of opportunities and so on. For Shenzhen, I think it really shows some switching between the center of manufacturing of technology from one side of the world to another. All this happening, I think, all depends on people. On Shenzhen, there are so many people who are sacrificing their living quality, like the out job time or weekend time. They are just so focused on their work and trying to make something moving fast. There's something called the Shenzhen speed. If I draw a PCB, I can get it in 48 hours or even 24 hours. If I want to discuss a problem with the manufacturer, they would drive maybe two hours to your office and stay here for the Saturday night. If this happens in the USA, sometimes it's considered as unacceptable. People want the balance of life and work. I really appreciate the concept that balance of work and life. My parents and my friends also appreciate it. That's why they also gave me pressure that you shouldn't work so hard. But things just happen when you are at an opportunity, like the time window for technology. How do you say? You just see the chances that you can make something happen.  For example, I'm losing money now, but I just see that I have all these imaginations of how this robot can evolve. The only limitation turns out to be myself. If I could work harder, I could work faster with my team, then it can come out faster. I can validate that it's really useful. People really love it. That's the passion that pushes me and almost locked me on this seat in this room just to keep working. If you can catch the right opportunity at the right time, that's how you change the world. This can happen in the city. If you do the right thing, the right time, the right strategy, if you catch the wave, you can change the world. Changing the world is not my purpose. I believe that the earth can rotate without anyone. It's more about the feeling that you are making useful stuff for people. The most enjoyable moment is not when I'm counting the income, but when I see users who post their videos on how they are using their robot in their home, in their lab, all around the world. I haven't been to, but my robot has been to. That's the best moment.


Israelis keep hurting their own PR interests by talking. One problem Israel keeps running into is how the institutionalized dehumanization of Palestinians which keeps the apartheid state operational also causes Israelis to say things that non-Israelis will find extremely shocking, which hurts Israel's PR interests. We saw this illustrated in a recent New Yorker interview with Daniela Weiss, a leader of the Push to Build Illegal Israeli Settlements on Palestinian Land. Weiss stated frankly and unapologetically that she supports apartheid, that she doesn't believe Palestinians should have any sovereignty anywhere, that she doesn't believe Palestinians should have voting rights, that she wants the population of Gaza to be replaced by Israeli settlements, and that she is untroubled by the killing of children in Gaza because she feels it's being done in the interests of Israeli children. Just where the Palestinians in Gaza should go, Weiss replied, to Sinai, to Egypt, to Turkey. When the interviewer said the Palestinians are not Egyptian or Turkish, she contended that the Ukrainians are not French, but when the war started they went to many countries. To the question, when you see Palestinian children dying, what's your emotional reaction as a human being? Weiss answered, I go by a very basic human law of nature. My children are prior to the children of the enemy, period, they are first, my children are first. Asked if she believes human rights are not universal and should not apply equally to everyone, Weiss replied, that's right. But perhaps the most revealing statement Weiss made was her entirely truthful explanation of what drives the Israeli Push to colonize Palestinian land. In Israel there is a lot of support for settlements, and this is why there have been right-wing governments for so many years. The world, especially the United States, thinks there is an option for a Palestinian state, and if we continue to build communities, then we block the option for a Palestinian state. We want to close the option for a Palestinian state, and the world wants to leave the option open. It's a very simple thing to understand. End quote. That one paragraph right there will teach you more about the present-day realities of the Israel-Palestine conflict than an entire year of watching CNN. It's horrid, it's jarring to hear it spoken out loud in a favorable way, but it's true. This sort of thing has been happening for years. People who have been marinating in a self-validating echo chamber of Zionist ideology, which dehumanizes Palestinians and normalizes oppression and abuse, don't think twice about saying things that make Israel look bad on the world stage, because to them it's just the standard status quo way of looking at things. In 2021 a settler from New York named Yakov Fauci made headlines around the world with his candid statements to a Palestinian family whose Sheikh Jarrah home he was squatting in. Fauci, apparently fully aware that he was being filmed, famously replied to the family's complaints that he was stealing their home by shamelessly telling them, if I don't steal it, someone else will steal it. And the thing is he wasn't lying. He was truthfully describing an abusive dynamic in apartheid Israel where Palestinians are being forced out of their homes in order to control ethnic demographics and advance the agenda outlined above by Daniela Weiss. If he'd been a trained propagandist for the Israeli state, he never would have made such comments on camera, but because he was just a Zionism indoctrinated member of the Israeli public he saw no reason to hold his tongue. Some years ago the empire files as Abbey Martin put together a devastating critique of the Zionist ideology just by going around the streets of Jerusalem with a camera and a microphone and talking to the Jewish Israelis about their views on Palestinians. Over and over and over again they shared their support for tyranny, murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing in their own words and without hesitation, never thinking that their words could be used to harm Israel's image, because to them these were just normal things that they said all the time in their day to day life. You see the same sort of thing when Israelis are filmed sitting in lawn chairs to watch and cheer IDF bombing operations on Palestinian neighborhoods, during which a woman once told the press, I'm just a little bit fascist after advocating the total destruction of Gaza's city. Every time this happens it sends viral video footage around the internet and does real damage to the world's perception of Israel. That's a big part of why Israel is struggling to control the narrative about the Gaza massacre today, which is in turn being exacerbated by more incendiary statements by Israelis, not just from the general public, but from within the Israeli government itself. On Saturday, Israeli security cabinet member and agriculture minister, Avi Dichter, casually referred to the violent forced expulsion of Palestinians from the northern half of the Gaza Strip as Nakba 2023, a reference to the violent forced expulsion which was inflicted on Palestinians at the establishment of the Israeli state in 1948. Israeli security cabinet member and agriculture minister, Avi Dichter, Lee Kud, was asked in a news interview on Saturday whether the images of northern Gaza Strip residents evacuating south on the IDF's orders are comparable to images of the Nakba, he replied, we are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba. From an operational point of view, there is no way to wage a war, as the IDF seeks to do in Gaza, with masses between the tanks and the soldiers. When asked again whether this was the Gaza Nakba, Dichter, a member of the security cabinet and former Shin Bet director, said, Gaza Nakba 2023, that's how it'll end. When later asked if this means Gaza City residents won't be allowed to return, he replied, I don't know how it'll end up happening since Gaza City is one third of the Strip, half the land's population, but a third of the territory. End quote. Dichter's comments are surprising not only because Israel has been publicly framing the mass displacement in Gaza as a measure taken solely to protect civilians, but also because the Israeli government has long officially denied that the Nakba ever happened, even passing laws forbidding its history to be taught in schools. Even as Western officials hastened to frame Israel's actions as a defensive and measured response to the Hamas attack on October 7th, Israeli officials have been falling all over themselves in a mad rush to make those Western officials look like liars. When talking about the Gaza assault, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made headlines by invoking the biblical nation of Amalek, whose people got instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against. The first book of Samuel contains the instructions, now go, attack the Amalekites, and totally destroy all that belongs to them, do not spare them, put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. President Isaac Herzog insinuated last month that all civilians in Gaza are legitimate military targets because they failed to overthrow Hamas, saying, it's not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved, it's absolutely not true. They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d'etat. When announcing the total siege on Gaza which would see the enclave cut off from electricity, food, water and fuel, Israeli Defense Minister Yov Galen stated that we are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly. IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said Israel would turn Gaza into a city of tents, and that Israel's emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy in his bombing campaign. Dan Gillerman, Israel's former ambassador to the UN, said last month that, I am very puzzled by the constant concern which the world is showing for the Palestinian people and is actually showing for these horrible inhuman animals who have done the worst atrocities that this century has seen. Hamas became ISIS and the citizens of Gaza are celebrating instead of being horrified, the economist cites an Israeli general saying last month. Human beasts are dealt with accordingly. Creating a severe humanitarian crisis in Gaza is a necessary means to achieve the goal. A major general named Giora Island wrote in an Israeli newspaper saying, Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist. Israel's allies keep trying to portray it as a rational actor and a positive force in the world, but if you listen to Israelis themselves, you get a very different understanding of what this murderous apartheid state is actually about. As Maya Angelou said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.


What's going on everybody welcome back to another draw preview and we have the Parma open this week Which is a brand new tournament for the WTA So we've got no defending champions and we have some big names playing some really big names playing but some big names are also With drawn so let's go to the withdrawal list So a lot of big names are pulled out of this one. We have Andrescu She's out was Coba Cornei keys Kudamatova Pagula risk Taikman and just stremska is also out of this one starting at the top of the draw We have eight seeds in this one and nobody gets a buy in the first round and look at that Serena Williams She is playing as a wild card in this one. She takes the top seed She gets a qualifier in the first round winner of that would take on the winner of city of Coba and Towson in the second round. They may have Russ versus Golubic winner That's going to take on a qualifier or the number eight seed Garcia in the second round Then we've got the number three seed Coco Gov taking on Canepi in the first round winner That's going to take on the winner of Georgie and Mikhail in the second round Then we have a qualifier versus another William sister Venus Williams winner of that's going to take on either Paulini or the number five seed Anissa Mover, so obviously we're going to be watching out for Serena in this one She didn't do great in Rome last week losing in her first match So she's in need of a little bit of form but also keep an eye on Goff who did really well last week in Rome And also anissa Mover don't forget that she made a semi-final of the French open back in 2019 So they're the players I'm watching out for this week bottom half of the draw now We've got the number seven seed Tormo she takes on para in the first round winner That's going to take on either Bogdan or the wild card Arani in the second round Then we've got a qualifier versus Sloane Stevens winner That's going to take on either Shea or the number four seed Kazakina in the second round Then we have the number six seed Wong versus doi in the first round winner That's going to take on either a qualifier or Habino in the second round Then we have the wild card from Italy Montecone taking on a qualifier winner That's going to take on either Gracheva or the number two seed Martich in the second round So some players to watch out for in this one very interested to see how Martich does this week The number two seed had a great week last week making the semi-finals of Rome and also Tormo Interested to see how she does she's had a great couple of months in career best form at the moment And also keep an eye on Sloane Stevens grand slam champion French open former finalist if she can put some matches together Maybe she can do some damage this week So there it is a stacked event for the WTA at the Parma open Let me know down the comments below. Who do you think's gonna win this one? It's very wide open even though we've got some big names like Serena. You got Martich down the bottom Let me know down the comments below. Who do you think's gonna win this one? So having a look at the draw here doesn't seem as obvious as maybe you would expect But I'm gonna go with Martich to win this one. I think she had a great week last week She's a very good clay court player And I think she might have a little bit of an easier draw than someone like Serena up the top of the draw So I'm gonna go with Martich to win this one. Let me know down the comments below. Who are you picking to win this one? So Serena Williams, she's back this week in Parma. Can she get some wins before the French open?


The Senate President, Senator Ahmed Ibrahim Lawan, has expressed the willingness of the present administration of the all-progressive Congress to develop the country for good. Speaking at a mega-empowerment program organized by the Senator representing Quaranaugh, Senator Distreet in the National Assembly, Senator Sadiq Umar, at the weekend, Senator Lawan said the President Buhari administration was working hard to fix infrastructural challenges urgent Nigerians to continue to support the government. He reiterated the need for continued partnership of the federal government with the state and local governments.


All parts of Nigeria from the east to the west, not to the south, were almost grounded to a halt in a joke reaction to Monday's President Borla Tinnabuzzi Nogural address where he declared that petrol subsidy is gone. Now the pronouncement not only threw the country into chaos but also left the masses and economy on the edge. However, all into the confusion that followed the announcement which saw a palm price of petrol rise to as high as 1200 Naira per litre in a Borla state and about 600 Naira per litre in some state, President Tinnabuzzi has backpedaled over his stand that the removal of fuel subsidy stating that the decision will not take immediate effect. That the development would force the national oil company, Nigeria National Petroleum Company Limited, to hold an emergency press conference at midnight of Monday to align with Tinnabuzzi's plan, saw the Major Oil Marketers Association of Nigeria Mormon and the Beppo and Petroleum Marketers Association of Nigeria Adapement issuing a statement in support of subsidy removal. NNPCL had said the decision by the federal government to remove subsidy on PMS was necessary as a group chief executive officer of the company. Millicare reset subsidy removal, which has been a burden on NNPC's cash flow, would free up funds to enable optimal operations in the company. But the independent Petroleum Marketers Association of Nigeria Ipmen would services over 70% of the country, as well as the Petroleum Product Retail Outlets Owners Association of Nigeria Petroen, would boast of 8,000 fuel stations opposed to move, stressing that proper planning is needed to remove subsidy. On the show today, it will keep our eye on the fuel subsidy removal and the ensuing fuel scarcity. Welcome to Business Insight and Plus TV Africa. I am Justin Acadone. Welcome back. We begin with a round off of our business headlines before we talk to our guest this morning. Nigeria equities market close positive as the key market indicator advanced by 2,764.47 basis point and meet positive market breadth. The NGS Osher index advanced by 5.22% to close at 55,738.35 basis point as against the 0.29% gain recorded previously to close at 52,973.88 basis point. In Nigeria terms, the NGX market cap records 1.51 trillion naira gain, yet today the NGX ASI stands at 8.76%. We'll move on now to the next story. The Federal Ministry of Industry, Trade and Investment has held a retreat and workshop to unveil its new strategy that supports the mobilization of direct investment at all levels to be implemented by the federal and state governments and their ministries, departments and agencies. Now the new federal state investment strategy which has been designed and developed over the last three years was authored by Renan Global Investment Strategy, Dr. Niki Okui, and it forms an integral part of his work on national investment strategy which has been implemented by several African countries and subnational authorities. Now to LPG, Nigeria experienced a 60% increase in liquefied petroleum gas prices in 2022 according to the African Development Bank, the AFDB. As a result, more Nigerians have switched from using LPG for cooking to firewood or other pollutant fuels. For those who continue to use LPG, the situation has led to increased costs. And now let's talk about fuel subsidy for one moment before I introduce my guest. The House of Representatives has held the removal of oil subsidy. Now loading the government for the decision, the House commended President Bola Tinibu for his courage asking Nigerians to be patient with the new administration. The commendation and the appeal came on the heels of emotion on the matters of urgent national importance moved at dinner by Honourable Jimo Olajide from Lagos State. Now the group chief executive officer of the Niger National Petroleum Company, NNPC Limited Millie Kiaris says the federal government still owes the firm the sum of $2.8 trillion spent on petrol subsidy. Addressing journalists after meeting with President Bola Tinibu in Abuja, Kiaris said the subsidy payment was no longer sustainable as it hinders the company from funding its core businesses. Kiaris said the NNPC made the petrol subsidy payment from his cash flow, noting that government has been unable to pay back the $2.8 trillion spent so far.


Good morning folks. This is Steve Rhodes coming to you live from the shores of sunny Delray Beach, Florida. This year, a Lebanese update. We've got a little bit of a mixed bag out there that makes coming from the some eyes, which are basically flat. The trannies are down 59. Otherwise, you've got the other US indices training the upside down 68 points S&P five NASDAQ 119. The Russell's up five. We've got gold trading out at 1880. That's up to buck silver off six pennies trading out at 2381. Lights recruiters off a quarter. Natural gas back 32 pennies trading out at 358. 30 of your treasury is down one point at 18 ticks. 128. 11 is the print there. So what's all that mean? Jelly bean. If we go take a look at the ES mini upper left hand panel, we'll see that price just simply consolidating with inside its daily profile. And that's up at the 39 54 level spot volatility. Still below its 50 day exponential moving average, which is $22.95. That gives an edge to the bulls. The endcube consolidating with inside its daily profile support. Certainly 11 10 823 and resistance at 11 281 US dollar index yesterday and today is testing that roadsman to indicator bottom that formed back on the trading session of December the 15th out there been tested and rejected prices still below the bottom of its daily profile, which that 103 64 that's level that price got to get back inside at least to suggest that the lows have been tested and there'll be a run for the 104 67 area. Gold is trading higher this morning. That is trading above its roadsman to indicator top, which was an 18 71 price should go target the 1907 level. Silver on the other hand does have a roadsman to indicator top still in place out there. Price would need to close above 24 52 to suggest it's on its merry way. Now it's merry way. It might only be to the top of its weekly profile at 24 77. Like a lightsweep crew, there's an A to B equal CD to the downside pattern, but price gonna have to bust out support levels at 71 61 and 72 40. Natural gas still in that A to B equal CD to downside pattern. Next price projection takes you to 268 price right now trading below the bottom of a bullish structured profile. So close today below the 367 level. This is the February contract that we're taking a look at which ties to the UNG would suggest that move down to 268. Folks day two for the Trader Z show. But if you have to start toward Tuesday, please have a terrific one. We'll look forward to seeing you again soon. Take care. Thanks for joining us.