To most readers of the Daily Newspapers, bank robberies are common and rather unmysterious events. But there is on record the strange story of a bank that was robbed without a gun and apparently without even a robber. The Midland Bank in Blackpool, England is what is known as an eminently sound institution and the only dubious incident which mars its long and honorable record of service is the one that occurred on August 6, 1926. It was on that Saturday at high noon when the doorman was just closing the doors that one of the Midland's regular clients entered the bank with a large bag and dress on. He was Mr. Lloyd Fenwick of the Corporation Tramways Department. Morning Mr. Fenwick. Eight hundred pounds in here, all treasury notes. I'll make out the slip for you, sir, but you'd better open the bank yourself. I don't know who else could open it. Got a new type of lock on it. No one could possibly open it unless they know the secret and I'm the only one who knows it. I've got another bag out in the motor van with all the silver in it. Save it up. Leave this one on the counter, I suppose. Oh yes, of course. Leave it where it is, then. As he turned away from the cashier's counter, Mr. Fenwick noticed that the bank was still quite crowded. Nevertheless, since it was now past the noon hour, the doorman had locked the doors to prevent late comers from entering. As he unlocked them for Mr. Fenwick, the Tramways official remarked, No need to lock up again, my friend. I'm coming right back in. But the doorman was a man of caution. During the few moments that Fenwick was gone, he stood by the closed doors, his hand on the key. When the official returned to the cashier's window, he carried another bag, smaller than the first one in his hand. Look out the treasury notes first, sir, if you don't mind. Makes no difference to me. Well, give it to me. Give it to me. Give the bag with the treasury notes. You must have put it away. I? Oh, no, sir. It's that. Right over here, where you... Good Lord, sir. It's gone. Yes, the black leather bag had vanished from the cashier's counter. What's more, it had vanished from the bank itself. The police were summoned, but a most thorough investigation failed to reveal its whereabouts. Fenwick, the cashier, and the police themselves were utterly mystified. At three o'clock that same afternoon, patrolman Cook was strolling down Needham Lane, just a block away from the Midland Bank. Oh, someone must have lost a bag. I say now, could this be the one what's missing from the bank? Tucking the bag under his arm, patrolman Cook made his way quickly to the Central Police Station. And there, while one of the officers got in touch with the tramway department, the others took turns trying to open the lock. But the lock refused to yield. They were still working over it when Mr Fenwick arrived. This is it, gentlemen. My only hope, the money's still there. The lock's still closed, isn't it? That simply means no one could open it. None of us here could make the blooming thing work, sir. No. You just take a hold of it like this, see? Ah. And you insert the key. Good Scott. The Treasury notes, it was not in the bag. Though every indication pointed to the fact that the bag had not been opened, that it could not possibly have been opened, nevertheless the money was missing. And while this was remarkable in itself, it was no more remarkable than the bag's disappearance from the bank through a door that was locked and guarded. The 800 pounds were never found. And neither was a solution to the strange mystery, a mystery incredible but true.


Mae'n gwybod. Yn ymwneud yma yn ymwneud i'w manfa Platton Wave Campers, y Unedig Llywodraeth Llywodraeth Lwyddiadol yn canpofanniai. Felly, i'w llwyddo'i, i'w gweithio'r canpofanniai, platton wave campers yn gwneud i'w gwneud. Dyna yw'r llwyddiadau yw'n gweithio'n gwneud o y cystynbydol, oedd ydw'ch ffyniad am glasgwagol yn y cyfrifau. Rydyn ni'n rydyn ni'n gweithio'r gweithio. Fel eich ei ddynion, os ydych yn eich gweithio gyda'r ganfer, ac mae'n rai'ch tharn, i fod yn 500 pound, gyda'r ddarlun Cod James 500. O gyda'r ddarlun i'r ddarlun i'r ddarlun i'r ddarlun Prydd, a'r ddarlun i'ch ddarlun i'r ddarlun i'r ddarlun i'r ddarlun. Now, let's get into the episode. You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications button felly mae'n siŵtio'r amser o hynny yn ei ddweud o'r ffodol. Wel, mae'n gwneud. I flwyddyn nhw'n gwneud y gwaith, John Macie. Gael yn ei ddweud? Gael'n gwneud. Efallai. Wel, mae'n ddweud o'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Dwi'n fawr, dwi'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'r gwisglaeth i'n gwneud. Mae'r gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'n ffarnwyr, 43. 43 Höll Prison Escape? Pretty mad. You only get out a few years ago. First and foremost how are you? I've had a few health problems. I had a couple of strikes when I come out. I'm still a little bit difficult with me speaking it, but otherwise I'm alright. Thanks for coming to on to day to tell your story, fascinating story like I says. I always go back to the start Dwi'n dechrau, dyna'r lleidio'r radd? Rwy'n dechrau. Rydyn ni'n Camlun, ac yna'n meddwl ei wneud yn Hoxden, Shoreditch. Rydyn ni'n, rydyn ni'n Camlun. Rydyn ni'n amser i ni blynydd. Rydyn ni'n fardd. Rydyn ni'n meddwl? Fyny'n meddwl gyda'u gweld, byddwn ni'n meddwl yng Nghaerdydd. Ond, mae gofpo'r gweithio'r echynig yma i hanes edrych yn ymgyrch gyflawni. Wel, mae'n gofo yn ymgyrch gyflawni yn y ddech chi. Mae rhaid o godi newydd y gallan y maen nhw? Nw'n drws. Beth ond yn yr oedd o'r phoblodau gweld Cymru i'r arddangos, neu y plaid? Yn ysgrifennu, ymrhyw bach i yma – unrhyw yfnig o'r symud o'i ddweithio. Yn 7 ydych chi'n ymwneud yn 2 oed nesaf. A'r gwaith yw'r amser yn ymdau i'r ysgol, sy'n ymdau i'r ysgol yn ymdau i'r ysgol. Yn ymdau'r ysgol? Yn ymdau, mae gennym yn 3 ymdau. Yn ymdau i'r ysgol? Yn ymdau i'r ysgol yn ymdau i'r ysgol, felly mae'n bwysig oherwydd. ac i chi'n gweithio'r amser yn ymddangos, mae'n gweithio'r rhaglenol, i fi gweithio'r dreunio'r ymddangos, a gweithio'r blwyr, a ddim... Felly felly pob hwnnw'n mynd i chi'n gweithio'r cyllid ac yn cael ei ddyn nhw'n mynd i chi'n gweithio'r cyllid? Felly ond sy'n gweithio'r cwestiynau felly ei wneud o'i siwr i gweithio, ond ei wneud. A gweithio'r cyllid o'i ffordd If they have a severe traumatic effect on you Cos my mum made this so I was maaan wyld You can't envy living without your mum when you have a little kid, can you? Did you ever see it again? Of course I did yeah And I know mum did it for the right reasons She was as heartbroken as I was But she couldn't cope with Cyngoru yn rhaid, ac mae'r yw'r cyfnodd yn gweithio ar y cyfrifod yr hynny yn rhaid. Yn ddweud o fod yn rhaid yr hyn? Rhaid. Yn y gweithio, mae'n gweithio edrych fel y dyfodol, a dyfodol yma, dyfodol yr hyn o'r cynnwys. Felly mae'n gweithio, dwi ddim yn ymlaen. the violent streak start was a patterns from an early age before you went to prison or was that gradually come unfortunately i don't blame my my dad was very violent but i've come to terms with it by accepting that he was a victim of his own generation so if i came in from the street crying ..yna at rhaid wahanol. Felly, dyfodd hynny'n meddwl yma. Felly, ei gweithio i gael rhai, yn gallu. Felly, rhaid i'n meddwl i gael'i, Felly, ddim ddim yn meddwl i gael i gael... ..yna, yna'r ddweud o'u, ..cymdeidio'n meddwl i gael. Felly ddim yn meddwl i gael ffraid. Felly, ychydig i'n meddwl i gael. Ychydig i chi gael? Ychydig i chi. Ychydig i chi. Ychydig i chi'n meddwl i gael? I would like to help you to get a bed at lunch time. After lunch away for now or so. And I couldn't sleep. I was too much alight. How can you go to sleep when you've got so much energy? Sony and they got so frustrating. They took me into a surgery room, and strapped me into a gynaed. But I found a way to wriggle out and undo the clips. Ew, e'n gweithio gyd yn y ffoc i. Felly, dwi'n ddigon i'n ddweud i'r un o'r un, yn y dŵr yn ymddi. Rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r amgylcheddau? Mae, mae... Mae ffawr? Mae'n meddwl i'r ffawr i'r hyn o'r gwirionedd, sy'n cymryd, a'i ddweud i'r rhan o'r droma? Mae'n meddwl i'r cwm. Maen nhw'n ddacos, oes, oes, oes yn oeddiad. Mae'n meddwl yw'r gweithio? Felly mae'n meddwl i'w meddwl yn ddau, ond mae'n meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl, wedi'u meddwl y bydd ydw i. Mae gen i. A nad oeddiwch i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl i'w meddwl. A wnaeth i ddweud, mae gyrsodd ar gyfer lleidol yma, gyda'r ddegtyddio'r ddych chi'n gweithio. Rwy'n dechrau, mae'r ddegtyddio ar y cyfrifod ar y ddeg. Mae'n ddegu'r ddegu'r ddegu'r ddegu'r ddegu'r ddegu. Rydw i wedi'i amser i'r dros yma? Mae'r ddegu'r ddegu? Rydw i'r ddegu'r dros yma? Rydw i. Rydw i'r ddegu. Rydw i'r ddegu'r ddegu'r ddegu. Yn ffrind yn gwneud yn y ddegu. Maen nhw'n gwneud, mae'n bach yn y llyfr yn gallu'r ffordd. Roeddwn i'n dweud y busb o'r 2 ysgol. Rwy'n ei gweithio'n gweithio eich cwmifethau yn gefnol y transig. Yn 36 a 39 o'r angen. Rydyn ni'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio sydd yna. Fyddyn ni'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. ac yn ymchwil, y cyflin featureddy erbyn eich yr ysgolion gwahydol, ac nid oes iawn ond yr acoll yma'r wneud arni fel yw'r un i. Yna'n bywysiau wrth, ac mae fydd o'r cyflin wrth fynd yn cael ei ffwrdd. Yna yw wych chi'n bost-o rydych chi'n ei wneud o'r asylio, oedrych, mwythu, iddym, bwysig, allwch ansiwch eich teimlo gyda maen nhw, â y ffordd fy môl yn y pwysig oהwn. So byddwn i'r ddau'r ddechrau, maen nhw'n ddigon i'r mynd i'r ddweud yn ei ddweud yw mynd i'r ddarparu? Felly, rydyn i'r ddweud, fel o'ch bydd yn ei ddweud, rydyn i ddweud yn ei ddweud. Felly, rydyn i'r ddweud i ddweud. Byddai'n hynny'n gwneud y First Bank? wynaeth bair. Dw i'n dal i'ch meddwl dwych. Yn gyflwyneud mewn tynnu, ychydig, mae'n hawdd gwmpio mae'r amlwg. Mae'r ffordd gwysig. Mae rhaid o'i gwno yn rhan o'r yn ôl i ddis fulfillf. Mae ddwy'n ddwy'n ddechrau i gael ymblodd yn ffordd ac rhan o'r dyfwn yn ddisfiwn i'r tuolig yw hufrob yn ffordd. Llywydd i chi'n ddim yn ei wneud o'r arferwch yn ffordd, mae'n ddwy'n ddwy'n ddwy'n ddwy. o gwneud hynny, mae'r ddechrau llwyddoedd, ac yn ydy rhai. Mae'n fynd i gael. Mae'r ffordd i'r ddylched. Felly mae'n gweithio chi'n mynd i fynd i gael. Fy gennych nhw? Mae phobl yn ymddur yma. Fy gennych nhw, mae'r ddechrau llwyddoedd Cymru. Mae daeth yn gwneud i Arhiynau Euros. I didn't find enough hiding places for it. We both bought houses, we both bought like we had a boat, the old assomot and we had Bentley. We just didn't know what to do the rest of money. We had to meet one night to foresee...perseverly buy a couple of businesses so we could have a little bit of legal income coming in. Dyma'r gwaith yw'r cyfnod yn gweithio y pwg yw'r hyffordd. Mae'r bod yn gwneud i'r ysgol, mae yna'r gweithio, ac mae'n bwysig i'r cyfnod. Ac mae'n gweithio'r gweithio ar y club ac yn gweithio. Mae'n gweithio ar y dyfodol, yn gweithio'r cyfnod. Yn yw'r amlŷn, mae'r gweithio'r gweithio, mae'r gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. I actually detect violence although I've had so much of it.  I can't understand people that do grwchwurture violence it don't make sense to me. It has to be, for a reason you know. Yeah because you've experienced that whole life. When I was in Spain when I was on the run people came up to me, I try to issue my hands as a grains to go and shoot people. I asked him a question, why? What's he done?  I said, what he does to me.  Mae'n gwiriaeth amser o daniaith a'r pub i dwylo gyda ni gywir edrych nhw i gael. Mae'n gwiriaeth amser o daniaith a'r pub i dwylo i gael, a yw wedi gyntaf ni'n gwirio'n gweithio. Mae'n dweud yn awdol, a byddwn i'n defnyddiadau, a rhai fyddwn i'r unrhyw wneud y ffordd, a mynd i'n ffordd i'u bach chi. Mae'n gynghoriwaith yma, iechyd yn hynny'r ffordd iawn, byddwn i gael yw'r cwric. Rwyf yn rhoi hwyl. Mae'r llun oedd yn olygu, gwrs yn olygu, yn olygu honi'n gobeithio i gael gael. Dwi'n gobeithio ar hyn y ffordd fedrall y rhan. Gofyn i'w ddigon i ddodd gael. Ond efallai rai'n gweithio a'r blig. Ond efallai efallai o'r ffordd wedi'u gweld atbydd i'r bobl. Yna… Ysgrifetid. Yna, a… A'r dweud o'r ddechrau… Mae'n gweithio a ddefnyddio'r parnau. Yn y gweithio, dyna dyna yng Nghymru. Dyna'r ddechrau yn ddechrau. Yn y ddechrau, dyna'r ddechrau ddechrau. A dyna', dwi'n gweithio'r ddechrau. Johnnie Dovage, we had a fire way back in to get him out, and he had been glassed in the eyes, and it was horrific. His eyes were laying on his cheek like a sliced onion, and naturally he put it down to the bouncer. Bouncer, in him days, weren't employed for their diplomacy. They were employed because they were thugs.  Anyhow, the cut long story short, it just was unfortunate that near that area we had a flat where we kept our arsenal, you know. So we pulled up, had about three guns each, went back, knocked on the door, and the bouncer answered. And I had no intentions whatsoever of shooting anybody. I just wanted to get older, the perpetrators, and give them a bit of likewise treatment, you know. But he happened to throw me a punch while I got a gun trying to hit me. It was just, and the rest of his history, he just pulled the trigger unintentionally. What was that feeling once you found out it was dead? Well, I was in a role play at the time. I just carried forward with the forward momentum and carried on into the club. But now, you know, obviously now, or even then, if I could have pressed it back and brought it back into life, I would have done that.  He's just another misguided person, you know. When did you find out John that he was dead? Well, I kind of knew immediately because no one could have survived.  And it was a shotgun I shot him with. It was such close range, just no one could have survived it, you know. And where were you with your two friends at that time? He was busy running up the other people, you know. It was a bit like an old Wild West movie shooting up the barn and everything. But the people that were responsible escaped up the stairs. There was a club at the bottom and a pub at the top. And they escaped up through the pub and out the door. So we'd already taken our friend to hospital by then. That was the first thing we did. Dropped him off at the emergency department at the hospital. And he's been blind to this day. But no one ever mentioned him. So there were three victims that day. Well, more than that because each of us had family. So we're all victims, really. Yeah, it has that ripple effect. Do you think more people could have died if they never escaped? I wouldn't say that, no. Because our original plan was to get the people responsible and maybe give them a few custom bruises. But never killing anyone was never in my consciousness. So I can't say it from my friends or whatever. It was never in my consciousness. I got classes at Ringlead a bit of time because I was the one who pulled your trigger back. I don't know. So after that then, you found out a man has been murdered. What do you do then? Well, I just had a young baby at the time, Sarah. She was only a month old. And she was standing at my friend's house with his wife. I was out. So that was the first job to go and pick my partner up, Marilyn and Sarah, in the backseat of the car. And I had a bunglo in Essex at the time. And I was almost home when I realised I had got picked up at the tail of a police car. But on the corner of where I live was a local constabulary. And I thought, well, just maybe they're heading back to base. But in my heart I've asked, I knew. But I couldn't do anything because of the wife and baby in the car. So anyhow, carried on to where I live. I pulled into the driveway. By the time I pulled into the driveway, the street was absolutely flooded with police cars and vans. And I had a semi-circulate driveway. You could drive in one way and out the other. And it blocked off both sides, entrance and exit. And then it blocked off the cul-de-sac. I lived in the cul-de-sac as well, so I was like triple boxed in, you know. And I got them indoors out of harm's way. And then I pulled the gun out again. Then it all scattered. I jumped back in the car. Baird the panda out in the driveway like a cardboard box. But I couldn't get past the rover and the police van. So I thought, I got out of the car. I walked towards the patrol car.  By the time I got there, they pressed all the buttons and stuck them out of view, you know. So I was left with limited options. Then I thought, I'll get out of this. So I fired a shot at the blue light. But I found out I missed that and it hit the top of the windscreen and the rubbers around. But when the bullet hit, the rover reversed it for 30 mile an hour. You couldn't even see a driver, you know. But that gave me enough gaps to get through.  Now I had this big long chase for about 20 minutes. And look, it was hairy. I'll still get goosebumps now when I think about it, you know. Because if they'd have called me, they would have shot me full of holes, you know. I'd have been like a columner.  I had nowhere to go, couldn't go left, couldn't go right.  Then I come out on the wrong side of a dual carriageway. So I put the headlights on, full beam, holding onto the horn and just told it. It was lucky it was early hours of the morning. There wasn't a lot of traffic. And then I realised that, well, the police had gone down the right side. And I realised after a while that I've got a right turn and they haven't. So I took them over a couple of more intersections, chucked them right. When we had a few turnings, left the Aston Martin in someone's driveway and nicked their claptack container. And all of a sudden I've come to another roadblock and they've waved me through. I said, I've got away. See when you say they will, if they shot you, they'd have killed you. Oh, absolutely. They were pissed. They were absolutely pissed. Well, I was sure I actually hit the back window of the Aston Martin. I still got a bit of a strap in the way of me. Do you ever wish sometimes it would have? Not really, no. Because I don't want to win. You know? I don't know what you mean. I don't know what you mean. You know what I mean? A weird question to ask. It's just good to understand how people are feeling at certain times, at certain moments, going through that experience I stam it was and they were looking at it. You know the neighbours go look at the old building, I'll be all right. I'll fail like this. See us coming back. And then we dug down the side to an infine, and we find a walk through to get away. We walked into another dead end and the patrol car pulled up right beside us. And my man said, like, Ie, dwi wnaeth yr unig, yr unig, y Tango 4, a dwi'n cael eu chlas i niadio. Fe ydych chi'n gwneud hynny o Canon Town. Felly, mae'r rhan o'r rhan o'r canon town i'n weithio. Yn gwybod, dweud yna. Felly, mae'r rhaglen yn ychwaneg. Mae'r bwysig i'n gweithio'n ymellod. yn y busgoon y bydd yn gallu i'r topdydd. Yn ymgyrch i dinodd yr oed. Yn ymgyrch swynyn yn gynwedd yn cydwyr ar y ABS, a'r clodrhaeddoedd yn ddaw yma. Wrth fyinizi yn bizogol yr oed. Ond symudio'n ddal ei fod yn ymgyrch. Rydyn ni'n ddweud yma! Ac rydyn ni'n ddweud yn rhan o fynd? Rydyn ni'n ddweud yn oed. Rydyn ni'n ddweud ond ar eich gael. Ond yn y gallu gwelir, gan y gallu'n fydd mogwch. Mae'n i-fynllonio, mae'n i-fynllonio i chi i gynnyddio'r busnau cwntio. Mae'r ffordd, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Ffyrddwch, mae'n gweithio'r campau. Dyn nhw ychydig, aeth yr ysgolwyd? A'r ffordd. Ac mae'r gwaith ffordd? Fydde, rydyn nhw ddim. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'r gwaith. Mae'n ffordd i'r gweithio'r gwaith. Yr rydyn ni'n gweld rwy'n gweld rydyn ni'n gweld ar y pwysig. Roedd yn ei gwybod yw'r griffwyr yn lle i'r ffordd. Roedd yn gweithio. Roedd yn gweithio i'r ffordd y ffordd, a'r cyffredin iawn i'w ffordd. Roeddwn i'r mwyntio i'r ffordd. Mae'r rhaid i chi wedi bod eisiau. Rwy'n meddwl bod gaelwyr i'r ffordd. Mae'r rhaid i'r ffordd yn ynglyn, a'r rhaid i chi'r ffordd yn y canol, i'r ffordd y gweithio. Roedd o'r gweithio yw'r sefydlu. Roedd yn gweithio i'r gwahogau. Cymru, mae'r dneil gyda'r lewyddo iaith i chi dw i'w hwn oír re excitingau. Mae'r ddonion ar yr un gweinbeth i chi, mae'n fyddio angen i gynnyddai'n bwysig ar hyn, mae'n gweinydd. Ond yr hyn yn ddim? Dyn ni oedd. Dim ond, mae'n ddechrau'r ysgolio gyda'r gyflawnio. Diynau fod ysgolio ysgolio? Dau. Ond ychwaneg yr idea, byddai'n siwr ar hyn a'ch hunain. felly ddigonwch i'r ddweud i sciences diwylliannau oed. Felly oedd gael cael ei wneud ein cyd-na? Dyna yng Nghymru wedi ddechrau a'r ffordd. Mae cwso nhw yna ddim yn cael cael, ac rwy'n cael? Yn cael, mae'r dweud i ei peth yn y ddechrau. Moe oherwydd mae'n sicr ar-gwiaeth ar rai gwaith? Yn cael, mae maen nhw i gweithio i'r dweud. a fawr y gallu ei wneud ychydig i ddechrau'r cyffredinol ein prosdex. Ond mae'n gwybod gofynnod. Mae'n cyfnod o'r piwgau gyda'r ganddofnol yng Nghymru a'r ganddofnol i'r defnyddio. Mae gennym yn bwysig o'r ganddofnol ar y cyfnodech chi oedd o'r ganddofnol yn gweld. Mae'n ei wneud. Mae'n ychydig i'r cyfnod o'r llyfrd. Mae ychydig i'r llyfrdd. Mae'n ddau'n ddweud ystod i ddweud hynny, dyn ni'n ddweud yma'r ddweud i'r ddweud. Rwy'n ddai'n ei ddweud. Felly mae'n ddweud. Mae'n ddweud â'r pethau ychydigol, ac mae'n ddweud i'r gaeliannau allanol o'r ganddau. Rwy'n byddai'n adrweud. Felly mae'n ddweud i'r adrweud. A gwnaeth yn ei ddweud. Felly, mae'n dnas iawn at ddoch, mae'n meddwl, dwi'n ddiddordeb yn gyffnadau peitio. Mae ddodod, mae'n ddiddordeb yn ddod, g май yn ei ddweud oed. Ie ddim yn ymdweud ddefnyddio. Yn ambrangol, mae unig yn ddweud drwg. Mae'n ddiddordeb gynrychiol diwrnod, a wedyn fyddech chi'n cael eu wneud. I went, how are you doing, John?   And that was it. Every time it lasted two weeks. I don't know who can tell you why. What was the thrill? Like, is it the thrill of being in control? Or is it the thrill of making more money? For me personally, it was the thrill of beating the system and doing something well. It's like, I'm a carpenter. I can't leave a job unless it's perfection to me. You know, nothing else will suffice or give me satisfaction. I said, I might spend the next three days on a job with another one. We go to Bishbashbos to leave it, take the money and run. For me, it's the pride in the work. Even in prison, I was cleaning toilets. I had to clean them probably. Many jobs did they have you down and doing? That was the only job I would accept, cleaner. For the corpus, when you get caught, how many banks did they say you'd done? Well, they didn't bother prosecuting with them. You're getting a lifer anyway? Yeah, yeah. But did they say that? Yeah. Was there a number? Well, they haven't got the phone number. Yeah, that's why I asked what number did they say. Did they give a certain number? Because obviously it's a two-man job, they must have now strayed away, right? Yeah. There's not many banks being done by two. In the case that I, unlike me, who'd have gotten a quill on the murder, they would have... Is there a good chance you'd have probably got a lifer for that? Well, not really. No-one got killed or anything.  Yeah, but I don't have this silly admiration for people in uniform that most people have. And I said, oh, you can do anything, don't just a prisoner or something like that.  Anybody that takes a liberty with other people deserves what they get, whether they're in uniform or not. How does it feel when you were getting bullied when you're younger from the screws and then bossed on that, but then you eventually become, Like, up earlier, you were getting into banks and that as well. Like, you're doing that?  I was very sensitive to people's reactions. And I even calmed down a few guards, you know. Cos the colour got really frying. I got my figures, mate. Take it easy, relax, mate. Everything is going to be all right. It's not your money. Did anybody ever try and become a hero? No. After established, you have to put your foot down on that immediately to remove that from the equation, you know. Guy, I'm from Porcelman. He dressed up as a copper at the post office. They were letting them in and making them tea.  I think it was 70 grand and that was back in the early 80s. She made them all tea, but then obviously when it says right, it made them all feel calmer. But then again, the trauma will still hit them as well. Did you ever think about that as a year's pass on, that all those banks getting in and people screaming that does that have a playing your mind as well, John? It does. Because you're not really aware of it at the time. But on reflection, you look back at your past, you think. God, I must have been all right.  Some of the things I've done with that. But I don't know. I've made reparation wherever I can in certain things, you know. Obviously, you can't repair a lot of the damage you've done. But I don't know. It's like someone asked me a day about... I mean, I was approached by Scotland Yard at the beginning of my sentence. And normally you wouldn't entertain having an interview with them. But I was intrigued, you know. I wanted to know what they knew. Suddenly I agreed to this visit. And they offered me five years in Chiswick Police Station in a suite of cells where you could live in comparative luxury of your girlfriend or your wife or whatever, a boozer.  If I gave them information on all me bank robbing friends. We didn't know what my answer was. I ended up doing 43 straights. There's not many people who have done that to me.   But they don't realise. I remember, because Bertie Smalls was the first one. I went with my bank robbers. He traded all these pals in for... I don't even know if he's still alive. I hope he ain't.  That's more than any man in prison or money. I'll do this sentence all over again. If they threaten me with it if I won't give them names or whatever. I'll do it all over again. No hesitation. I think that's why you're respected though. I think that's why there's not many of that. You know yourself, in that game there's no lawyer any more.  Because that guilt will eat you from your inside out. Seem ni o'r gymryd? How long did the court case last? Just over three weeks, I think. Did that offer you a deal to plead? Were you done banking rates? I suppose with all the evidence there and the witnesses, I still pleaded not guilty. Still try to fight this system? I think it's really come back with, in the end, it couldn't get you, you know? It ended up 11-1 I think. So it's pretty strong. But the judge was a bit of a prick. He made a birdie of me straight away. Where's my power? He ended up doing a 14 stretch of his life sentence. So I'm in the winnings box and the judge said, would you like a glass of water, Mr Massey? I thought, yes, I would, thank you. And he's made this business of pouring glass of water. And he's got the hand in me and he pulled it back lively. Put it into a plastic cup. I thought, you can't.  I'm not trusted with glass. How was it going through the court case? Was it Charlie Higgins? Yeah. Was his family there? I don't know. I was only conscious of any family men, members of Charlie Higgins, his old streets, magistrate court, and his sister. I loved, never forgot it. She was in the public gallery, which was the same level as the court, you know? And as we got what they called it, not convicted, you have to go to the magistrates before you go to High Court, don't you? So then we finished with that on the way out, and it was this woman that was, you could see the pain in her face and tears, and she half said something to me, and I leaned forward and she spat at me. And I turned out to be his sister. And I really felt sorry for her all these years. Yeah, because I know how my own family felt about me. I never saw that pain again when I was in London before I was sentenced. And I got the news that my brother, Terry, had committed suicide. He was only ten months younger to me. And we'd read a couple of letters, and we were quite close.  Obviously, you had the fights that I wanted to have, so if you were short, you were wearing those socks and all that, but I loved them the best.  It was the same look on her face as Charlie Higgins' sister. Why? Why? Because they've both lost a brother. Did she blame you? Yes, that's the one. Oh, no. For the loss of my brother Terry. So I'm now the only surviving male in the family where I've met Dad like that. But what that gave me was a secret weapon in prison, really, because I knew as low as I ever got in prison and there were some bad, dark times in prison, I could never do what my brother did. I could never inflict that pain on them twice. You understand what I mean? So that left me with... Although there were many times I wanted to die, but I couldn't do that to my family. But that left me with the secret weapon, no fear.  If the schools wanted to come and beat me up, I'd meet you face head-on. And that's what they caught in hand with me in prison. I wouldn't give in, no matter how much they hurt me. I thought it was legitimate to die in combat, as it were, but no way would I ever do it to myself. Which gave me that weapon of absolutely fearless. In the eyes of the school where you've got a lot of prisons curled up into a ball in the corner, oh, please, sir, no more.  Then when you wake up, give it to them again. If a school comes at my door and you open it and ask, I could tell immediately by the menu on his face whether he'd come to give me grief. Because if a school said good morning to me, the hardest thing in the world for me is not to say good morning back. But if he'd come to give me grief, I wouldn't even bother waiting to find out or jump up straight away and stick that nut on him. I'd go, oh, would you do that for me?  And they did. What was it like when you got your guilty, John? I remember my legs feeling like jelly when I was sentenced. When I couldn't do that. The impulse of it meant like a cost, you know?  It was all very emotional time. What did they give you at 23? No, they gave me a life sentence with a minimum of 20. So that means there's no maximum. So when I did get... When I came to the 20-year review, they gave me a brown envelope with a knockback in it.  That was when I made my first escape. After the 20 years? Yeah, I thought they ain't going to let me out.  How many prisons were you in that, 20 years? I lost count. I've been in every prison in the country. Except Whitemore. I remember being transferred from Long Lighting in a 52-seater coach. There were about eight schools, just me, on the way to Whitemore. I think we'd get about 100 miles or whatever when the radio had come up. No, we'd done one in there. So they'd try to park me up in other prisons so they'd try to park me up in other prisons. The answer kept coming back. No, we'd done one in there.  Drop me up in the nearest bus stop, you know. But in the end, I would end up in Winston Green in Birmingham. And... When you was carrying the other guys, you got moved every three months anyway. So they couldn't sell. Or if you was digging the tunnel, you'd go and finish it. Did you ever come across Charlie Bronson? Yeah, I did, yeah. What was he like? I don't really want to talk about him. Because I fell out of him.  A little sad about that. What about when you'd done your 20 stretch then? Did you have it in your mind that it was possible that you could have got out? I might have towed a lion and been a choir boy or whatever and did the yes or no to three banks. Probably would have. But I can't say it's impossible. Did you do any courses or anything for behaviour? Yeah. I did, like, the basic. R and R, whatever they call it. But most of the work, I've got other people to fill the forms in, you know. I just couldn't be arsed with it. Because unless you go and they're a complete waste of time, you get prisoners or artists, they can sell through these courses like Greece. But me, you've got to be devious to do that.  What you see is what you get with me are if they don't like the answer, that's too bad. That's the answer I'm giving. Did you think you were going to die in prison? Not as long as I had breath, no. Because I thought it was always a scape. Although a few prison governors did threaten me with that.  Did you ever see prisoners get killed by these crews? Absolutely.  Unbelievable. Clean it up. Belmarsh, where I was with Jimmy, right? They called me off the exercise yard for a moody spin. They called it DST.  I was old, a bit aged pensioner at the time. They called me off the exercise yard for a moody spin. As I've got my sweatshirt halfway up my head, they steamed into me.   The guy that did the worst out, he threw the punch from behind. Can I mention his name?    His face was the poster boy on the anti-violence posters. How sick is that? And now I ended up meeting a couple of women in Rochester prison who were married to a principal officer in Belmont.  These steroids they take to build up, they affect you a lot of people that make you violent, don't they? Well, that's what I've heard anyway. But this group of animals called the DST, they actually perpetrated the violence.  It's like, when they've done me that day, they've banged everyone up so nobody can see what's going on. So when I tried to nick him over it, Belmont is the most secure prison in the country.   They couldn't pull up one single frame of CCTV footage when I got smashed up. Unbelievable. Did they break anything? No, they tried to. I experienced that sort of, like, rough house and my fitness that I survived. I mean, I was 66 and I think any other 66-year-old, he wouldn't have made it. Why did you do that? Because of my escape from Penneville. It was payback because there was a government in Penneville, a black woman called Jenny Lee. Jenny Lewis of something like that. She met me in Belmont reception. I was banged up in the cell away from the other prisons because I was OK. She's opened the door up. Oh, hello, miss Louis. She said, messy.  I said, what for? I said, nothing personal. I had to go and see my mum. You wouldn't let me. I got there, I did it. She said, you ruined a lot of lives. Obviously, there was an extreme bad feeling about it. I don't know if the governor got the sack or whatever. Because when I escaped, I escaped during the security audit and that ain't supposed to happen. Obviously, heads had to roll.  I wouldn't have done it, wouldn't I? Why have I got it? It's your fault.  That's my belief anyway. Seeing your first 20 years, did you have anything in your mind that there was a possibility you could have escaped or were you thinking trying to do the 20 years as clean as possible so you can get out? No, no, no. No matter what institution I've ever been in, my first thought is out of get out. To me, it's a natural... I've always said, look, you put any living creature in a cage. What's it do?  Even like salmon swimming upstream. Even a plant, you wouldn't dedicate as having an intelligence. Put it in a dark corner, it will grow towards a light. You can't legislate against human nature, can you? But they want to put pen at least like 10 years in prison if you try to escape or... It just goes against the grain. So your first escape was 20 years later? Yeah. How did you plan that? I managed how I did it, I can't really remember that, but my dad had a stroke and he was in a wheelchair and they allowed me a compassionate escort his visit, which made it easy. So I had some pals where they were waiting to meet me in it. And I spent a month laid down in the flat before I went and got transport in Spain. How did you get in Spain, Carl? Well, originally in power, we had hired these two young pilots to fly me into Belgium, but they were a couple of fuckers over.   I don't like planes anyway, but this thing looked like I was able to give it a bane in my eye. As luck would have it, air traffic control come out, I said, listen boys, it's too... Bluster across the channel, we had ripped the wings off the day, we won't be out of line the day.  So now we've got a choice, we've got to drive all the way back to London back to the safe house. I thought I could get next, on the way we could get a pull on the way back, you know.  So I said, ah, that's all right, we'll put you in the boot.  He said, no, we've done it loads of times. We cut the right over at these pilots, so I think they had five grand needs to fly me, cut the tickets, it's cheap, isn't it? So I went, I was going all right then, but it drives somewhere where no one can see me getting in the boot. But just as there was about to pull away, like the alarms went out, I went, no, no, no. I said, show me your passports, give me your passports. So I put there, and I've got a dodgy man. I put mine in the middle, trying to see if I get any vibes that mine's a bit ify.  Anyhow, we got the customs control bit. What's the first things the woman said? Can we have a look in the boot?  I've been well next, you know. But it went sweet as luck, got through all right. Where did you go? How did you get in? So we went to Kelly. In the boot? No, no, no normal. Just sitting on one? Yeah. So you're going to go in the boot? Yeah. But you tried it out? I'll take the vibes.  They always like the boot. Exactly, yeah. Do you think they'll try to get you caught? I don't know.   So what happens then when you get through, you're thinking I'm going to make a new life for myself and try and keep the head down?  Well, it was kind of impossible with me. Because, you know, what could I do legally? I mean, in a strange country, I've never been out of England ever in my life before. But a power mind set me up with some people that got me to 6th Benjaminville and was like passing up Puff, you know, loading it on my lorries and getting back there. It was a good life. It was good money. How long were you there for? Well, in Spain. Yeah. Well, it was two years free in Poblenos, my brother. I spent the next five years, three years in Spanish prisons. They caught you there? How did they catch you? Oh, it was like deja vu. So it's still very sore for me as well. I had a baby boy by my partner and he died. They called it cold death. I saw it. And anyway, so me and Gilbratt found in that sorrow sort of thing we stopped at this bar in Fingerona. She was obviously upset.  I'll order a drink. So as I've ordered drinks, she had to walk past. The pub was empty. She sat with these three guys sitting in the corner. I actually had gone past them. One of them said, what's the matter, darling? Is that kind of upset you? I thought, I've heard it. I said, I'll take no notes. I said, pricks. And then she said, one of them has come up behind me smashing me in and back there by the stall. Another one has run around the bar and bubbled all the doors.  But they picked the wrong fellow that night.  And they attacked me. How long did it take to get extradited? Three years. Did you want to stay in Spain or did you want to go back home? I can absolutely, yeah. Where do you think you're... Actually, I got extradited the same time as my mate Kenny. Kenny know where we got next time there as well. And in the end they ended up putting us in separate prisons, you know. And they come for me at three o'clock in the morning in the Gwadir Sefyl.  Type out loud, check it and put me in the back of the car off to the airport.  Do you ever have any hassle in Spanish Jews? They try that if you'd like.  They consider you prey, don't they? But I put my foot down straight away. And they nickname local English like the manned Englishman. But that's all right. If I had to choose between doing bird ear or in Spain, I'd choose Spain every day. Because you've got that air of hope there. They have a fiercer at the drop of a hat. They have amnises every now and again. Do you not get your messies in as well? Life sentence doesn't exist. Do you not get your blood then as well? You can have conjugal visits yet.  Yeah. There's no work. You're out in the sunshine all day every day. You've got a little shop built into the wall. What more do you want? How much does alcohol clean your downfall, John? Obviously, it played a great deal. I'm not a heavy drinker by any means. I've very, very drunk more than three pints a month now. But then there was always that.  If I wouldn't drink it that night, all this would never have happened. I do think of that now and again. That's what it is, isn't it? Yeah. When this other incident happened in Spain with a free guy, and they turned out to be free Englishmen as well.  And they tried to claim compensation. All the fuckers, they locked all the doors and they took me out so I couldn't escape.  What was it like when you got extradited back?  I think I got met here. Oh, Scotland Yard came and got me. I was double-crafted on the plane.  I thought about causing a scene and all that and getting the cuffs off. And we got into Heathrow and they whisked me straight off to Wandsworth. And there I could sense the animosity straight away there. Was that you and bank Catty again? Yeah, Catty and Catty. Did you get an add-on? What was the add-on for that? I don't think I did an extra six or seven years. Was it worth that?  I got to see my mum. No one can ever take that away from me. No, as I said before, if you start regretting things and you want to change things, then that means you've got to change everything. Obviously, you can't pick and choose just to change the bad bits, you know, if I've got to accept it all of it or not at all. I wouldn't change anything. You escaped four times, but it was the four times not because of all family issues? Yeah. What was the second time you escaped for? My sister, Carol, elder sister, I got a message. It wasn't what I had class as an escape anyway because I was in open prison. Fould. We were eventually got banned from all open prisons like this woman hill we are. I got a message that she wanted to see me. If you knew my sister Carol, she would have been very out of character she would never ask. So I knew it was serious. She was in intensive care in the Royal Free. So I went straight to the governor asked permission to go and see her. I figured, I mean open prison, you know. I said, well, give me an escort to visit. I don't care. You've got to use six crews. I just need to see her. Sorry, but you can't spare the staff.  The call was too strong, you know. She died two weeks later. So I wouldn't change anything. No. I got to see her. You got to spend that two weeks later? I never forgot the day my brother died. I didn't get to say goodbye.  So if ever there's a chance. You know, every time you have a phone conversation with a loved one, you always end that conversation by saying, I love you. When you leave the home, you leave the house. All right, see you later. Love you. They may be the last words you'll ever say to them. And if you did do that, and something bad did happen, it pulled you to pieces for the rest of your life. You see what I'm getting at? Yeah. So when you spent your two weeks with your sister, did the coppers know you were there? Did they just leave you alone? That was strange. I did, since there was activity there, but I didn't recognise her around the hospital. I hadn't slept in quietly. But I did... I think I was lucky more than anything. Yeah. So if you're in your open prison, you're supposed to be getting released? Of course. Of course. But how can you not go and see your sister? You're very close to her. Who's dying, basically. To me, that's cool. That's inhumane. Yeah. Which is what happened in the case of my mum, where I had to escape from Penderville. No matter where I'd have been at some, I would have made an attempt wherever it was. This is the third time you escaped? Yeah. I can't remember. So every time you've escaped is to go and see a loved one who was dying? Well, the other one wasn't an escape. I was actually released to a hostel. I was only out three weeks. My dad was dying in Royal Free again. So we were at his bedside. The whole family was at his bedside. And in the event, I was actually the last one my dad spoke to. Everyone was asleep, and I saw him take his last breath. But when I phoned up, the doctor came in to tell us, there's a lot we don't think it does get a last of the next 24 hours. So I did the beautiful thing. I phoned up the hostel. Told him the circumstances. I said, look, I'm staying with the rest of the family by my dad's bedside. He's only got hours left in it. No, Mr Massey. You've got to come back here and observe the 11 o'clock curfew.  But I phoned them. They called me a prison for that. And basically, I'm a 10 stretch. It's not even a crime. I can't wish you off the street for disobeying and all that, can I? Give you a 10 stretch. But again, if you're doing a life sentence.  I'm on a bit of string. I can yank on that bit of string anytime the light and take you back. Although in my case, I don't think they want me back in a hurry. But it's feasible they can do that. Can you see why you are, though? On a bit of string with them? Yeah, but I think anything short of violence, they'd have a strong time justifying dragging me back to prison.  I've got a heavy heart for you, if you've got a heavy heart you're on your own. You're carrying a lot of pain. I've got a lot of baggage. Sometimes I feel the weight of it is dragging me down.  You should give me a little bit of renewed energy. You've been there, you know what it's all about. If other people don't understand, they understand in prison circumstances a programme like porridge. It's so far removed from reality, it's untrue. But you must be one of Britain's longest serving prisoners? Well I was before I was released. But I think now Charlie Boswell has overtaken me now because he's still in there already. How hard is that for you to try and talk about it when you've been in prison for that and missing family time? How hard is that for a man who's spent so long in prison knowing that you're clearly still a family man and you're clearly carrying a lot of regret and pain? But how difficult is it? Because for anybody watching, it's maybe one of the things that's involved in a life of crime. I think they're a bad man. I think you're a prime example that crime doesn't pay. Of course it doesn't pay. One of my good friends, he used to be a bank robber, he was one of the leading members of a London crime family. He said to me a couple of months ago, he said, John, he said, if we were going to work straight all these years instead of going on the pavement, he said we would have saved all that grief and we'd have had more money and we got that, we ever got out of that. Which is true. How's your relationship with Kenny Noy, though? Because Kenny's a high profile name as well. Yeah, I've always seen him be defending his name, Kenny, because I've always found him a nice guy and a gentleman.  Because he killed a cousin of that, obviously he's under threat all the time and he's from the other people. But to me, I think he was a nice guy. And I've never known Kenny to be violent, except on defence. And in both cases, where he killed that cousin, he jumped up about a hole in the ground and waked him out of the pistol butt and he stabbed him. You're virtually fine for your own life in them, so it's not murder, is it? The guy, they think they're James Bond, some of these C17 people, when he dug a foxhole in his garden there in Kent, to keep surveillance on him. It was a gold bullion, remember it? Yeah. And Kenny happened to be out in the garden walking the two dogs, who they miss a probably named Bringson Matt. And the dog sensed the guy in the garden and he jumped up about a hole. Well, I don't call that a male, I call that a self-defence. They had the masks on that one as well, did they not? Yeah, he's better clavied up, everything. It's frightening, terrifying situation.  He might be coming in, he might be an assassin or whatever. What's the worst present you've been in, John? Armly. Why? I didn't even have to think about it, did I? No.  I got transferred there from Wakefield, where they tried to fit me up with stolen keys. They come and took me out of bed at three o'clock in the morning and me on the pants.    And they kept a red light on all night. Because I was...   And they wouldn't turn it off, I smashed it off the ceiling.   I said, well, come on then. And you know, I got as prepared as I could do, but they overwhelmed me. And they chugged me down in a strongbox.  You know, it was one of their tactics. Anyway, I don't remember much after that. I woke up in a strong... What I knew was a strongbox. It's like a school, it goes under a few names, silent cell. It's like a cell within a cell. Have you ever come across them? No. So you've got to go through one door before you get to another door, which is a cell. What normally is is bare concrete. You've got concrete posts coming out of the floor for your chair or maybe a tree stump or something like that. And you've got concrete slump as your bed. And I woke up in that. And I couldn't remember my own name. It was weird. But I knew I was in prison. So I thought, how can I remember I'm in prison yet not remember my name or how I got here? That's strange. It was really weird. Now, I remember the silence. And I thought, and the silence was so silent, it was deafening, if you know what I mean. It kind of hurt my ears if it's so silent. Just white noise. Yeah, and that's what they'd done to me. Then they put me into another strongbox the next day and I had to run the gullet from the strongbox to the recess to see my pisspot and all that. Where they battered me or going in, coming back. So the worst jail I've ever been in, yeah, amly.  But that's how much I hated it, they instilled in me, you know. And because I was from London or a Cogli, I said, I really got a treatment. Yeah, because I had someone, Sam Miller, he was an IRA. And they called him the Blanket Boys 10 years every day, getting a beating and he hated them. He says, I think a few of them got murdered, but he wanted more killed. And you can understand why they hate the rage.  Did you ever see that film The Sleepers? Yeah, Brad Pitt, the four young boys. And they come back for revenge. That's the kind of scenario. I mean, I felt that. And in fact, a few of my pals about it talked some strong sense into me, you know.  Yeah, but it's amongst game really. Yeah. So after your 43 years, what was the run-up to getting released, John? Yn anodd yn prysyn? No, cos you never got anodd yn prysyn any more. Did you cos you asked here? No, so I think it was blanket. It was just a new prototype prison. It was a bit of a guinea pig place where it was enclosed, but you had to do get through three stages to be eligible for release. But you couldn't get home leave or any of the privileges you got in a carragheed D prison. So, again, I got other people to fill all the forms in. I used to have to screw come back. Oh, that was very good, John.   You know? And it all meant no. It's all sort of cosmetic stuff in actual reality. It was all... It didn't mean a lot, you know? And I actually got one of the fastest releases ever known to a lifer. I've never known anybody get released so quick because I got a proud board coming up. That's why I grew this beard. I first grew this beard.   You know? I thought this time I'm going in looking old and I'm going in slob in all that. And I got it. I've got parole. So I got a parole on a Monday. Now, you're supposed to wait 15 days before you get an answer. I've got a probable on a Monday. I've got the answer on a Tuesday.   So I was in and out of three days. I think I became in an embarrassment. I know the MPs were even asking the question why is this man still in prison? I know that Lord Ram's bomb. He did ask that. And ex-prison governors were asking if they were making comments when I escaped.  I've served longer. Why? Basically, I went out for a drink on Friday night and never come over for three years. I never went out to change the world or overthrow the government so why have I served longer than anybody else in England? Why have I become the longest serving prisoner? It didn't make sense. What was it like when you got put on? Yeah, there was a guy that got released, got parole the same time as I did.  How come he did 13 years less than me? How come he's not a danger to the public and I was? Which was always their answer when they knocked me back for parole. I'm a danger to the public. I've never been a danger to the public, ever. What was it like when you got parole? What was that feeling like, John? I still got a picture on my phone the day I got out. My sister and my niece came and picked me up and a family friend and you look at that picture and you can see the pure happiness on my sister and niece's face. It's in my head. It was great. It's a long time. See when you get out did you ever think it was about too fast paced or too much that you were going to do something to have to go back in? No, no. I didn't make the mistake of a lot of prisons over the years. I wasn't content of lying on a bedspunking path and all that. I'm forgetting about it. I wanted to know what's going on in the world. I bought a paper every day religiously for years. I always turned the news on. The old channel for news and I was like a sponge for information all the time about what's going on. So I never got left behind with the progress of the outside world. It's because a million times schools and governors are saying to me you'll find it strange when you get out. John, I mean no. The only thing I find strange is being in prison. That's the unnatural environment for me. Not out of here. So when you get out, your current affairs and politics and what's going on in the rest of the world you're not suffering a culture shock when you come out. What did you do when you got out? Well, a friend of mine gave me a van. A very good friend of mine. And I loved my work. I'm a carpenter. And I started doing a bit of work carpentry. But then I wanted to I wanted to do everything legal. You know, I didn't want anybody to point out or pick me up on anything. So I spent £400 doing the courses to get a CS, a CS card. You know, it's a work card so you can get on building sites and that. And I had this friend who's got a company in Moorgate who had given me all the work I would have had or could have worked seven days a week if I wanted. But it had to be straight, you know. It had to be a bit of cars. And I did a trial I did half a day's work for him. All of a sudden they stopped my pension for three weeks every Christmas period. I'm not allowed to work. And that is one of the grievances I still have to this day because when I was released they declared that I wasn't entitled to a state pension because I haven't paid any stamps all over the years. But when you consider it I'm working for the Queen, right? It's under HMP, innit?  Why is that not? Working prison is compulsory. If you don't work, you get punished. Why is that not worth a stamp? To entitled to me to a state pension? Can you answer that one? Well that's what it's doing to me. No, still? Yeah, I'm not legally allowed to work unless I want to risk losing my media pension. Which is a pissence. And you want to work? Do you want to work? I want to work, yeah. But obviously I can't maybe do a full time the effects of the stroke I've had I'm getting tired now it's becoming a struggle to talk but you know, a full working physical day I don't know that I'll be able to do that.  Let me bring up another I did this job for an American couple near where I live They're very well at do and they wanted some bookcases built from floor and ceiling all the way around the room so it was one of the first jobs that I had since coming home and I thought I have to tell these people my background because I don't want them to find out from somebody else and then freak out so I put before I started work for them, I told them I've just been released in prison I served a life sentence for Mona blah blah blah Well, they left that house with me in there working on my own for the whole day and you can't buy a feeling like that that pleasure that trust they put into me that was the right thing I did was by telling them and they was easier of me from the word go and to this day they're very good friends of mine and they asked me back several times to repair things and that and to me that's that's lovely it boosts me up with us but you can see a lot because if anybody doesn't like where I've been or what I've done they can fuck off I'm not interested in them anyway so I make a point now if anybody's home I go into where I have to do I have to tell them where I'm from and what I'm all about because I don't want them finding out by accident and freaking out making the imagination money and you can understand why some people would freak out as well Oh absolutely that's why I feel the need to tell them See every Christmas and new year did it get easier or did it get harder as the years went on What inside Well one of the things I did obviously affects me now that I'm out and it it confuses a lot of people I have great difficulty remembering dates or times because when I was inside I never used to have a calendar I was aware of the dates for most of the time but Monday through Sunday through Christmas to me it was just one long stretch of time no one day was any special to the other and that made it so easy for me I never got traumatised for anniversaries of someone dying like my sister do I don't because I don't know the dates for all the people I've lost they're in here they're with me forever anyway I don't need a date to remember about it and so time for me was just one big long streak otherwise if you're going to mark off the days easy it becomes an eternity you know you're making things hard for yourself When did you do the programme Was it the mind of a murderer No, it's called What Makes a Murder When did you do the programme What Makes a Murderer Again I can't really say I don't know if it was a year ago or two years ago What was it like They took me on location I think Birmingham University where they did the brain scans It was a scientific programme to discover if there was any difference between my brain pattern and any normal person and apparently I said there was I haven't What was that word?  I mean even my girlfriend's had a guy that makes several times giving money to beggars in the street you know but although a lot of them are scamming and they turned into a business now but some of them are genuine you know and you do feel for them but where do you go for here going forward for the future? I literally don't know it's whatever happens happens you know I just want to try and improve my health a bit more get back to the way I was and live the rest of me in life in peace for anybody that's maybe watching that's maybe thinking about being a bad man or trying to be a gangster I think they're tough I've got no fucking tolerance whatsoever for these wannabe gangsters or carbol gangsters that usually call them it's all meaningless it's all it's all the bad emotions people and vanity and glory just be humble and treat other people the way you want to be treated yourself and because there are a lot of people that turn to crime and they don't know where to join that line never to step below you know you have to have a limit if you are determined to be a criminal put a limit on it you know try and keep it to the rubbing hunt effect rather than making everybody's life a misery and destroying things to the penny of a drop John when you were in prison all the stuff that you had done and you came to a realisation that you did cause a lot of pain or did that take time or did you know instantly no it always came afterwards because was that fucking red mist coming down on you you know after time you've done the damage before you've even realised it it's afterwards and I don't know I mean I've had people look at me and think oh even even now look at that old cunt he's got a great beard he's got a great mug and next thing you know you're looking up down on the fucking deck and say oh I didn't mean it mate it's too fucking late now you know I don't know I don't know what I'm talking about before we finish up on anything John I'd like someone to answer the question why I'm not entitled to a state pension after being forced to work compulsory for 40 years for slave wages yeah so I need to leave a link at an email address where people can contact you if you're supposedly welcome back into the fold when you've paid your debts to society why is it then that I'm ostracised I'm not allowed to say for it I can't go on programmes like who wants a millionaire because of my past history why I've paid my debt you know have you seen recently that certain criminals have won the lottery and there's this big clamour for somebody to want to grab it and deprive them of it and put it towards the victims I think I've been at Buwy's ticket the same money as you've paid why is he not entitled to the winnings so you're never really welcome back you'll always be known as an ex robber an ex killer an ex that you never get accepted by society fully how would you like to be remembered for not giving in I think we'll finish up on that John listen for coming on and then telling your story I thoroughly enjoyed it it's been a mad rollercoaster of emotions in your whole life I couldn't cover all of it in this time you can't cover 43 years of course you can we've got all the bits that people can know your story understand you and for anybody that's maybe wanting help I'll leave an email address that can maybe reach out and try and get you a bit of work maybe try and see what we can do with this pension because there's so many people who watch these programmes that are willing to help people and give people a second chance and see what they can do I've heard a couple of solicitors tentatively venture into it but they all seem to get dismayed by the I think a lot of it goes back to the Factories Act in virtual almost many evil days where prisoners had no rights but those laws should be looked at because now in the 21st century they should be changed John, I wish you all the best for the future God bless you and thanks for giving me your time today thank you John, take care


Hello, everyone. Welcome to the webinar that I'm recording for you today for Product School. Today I will be talking about how to prepare for interview stages when seeking a product management job. My name is Kasia. As you can see here on my first slide, I am a talent acquisition lead currently working for the zone. And today I'm actually doing the recording for you from Spain and you usually I am based in Netherlands, but I'm on my holidays. So that's why you see the nice surrounding behind me. But I hope I'll not have also any disturbances and the connection will be stable. But let's say let's see. Thank you for joining. Thank you for tuning in. Let's let's start. So first, as always, because some of you may already know me, some of you may not. I will do a short intro about myself so you know who is talking to you today. So I am a senior recruiter as well as talent acquisition lead currently working for the zone. In general, I have spent around eight years in the industry as a recruiter. So always working as a recruiter by past companies were, for example, gg.com and Tom Tom. And after work, what I like to do is I enjoy to ride motorbikes. I enjoy hiking and traveling. And actually now I am doing everything. All of this. So I am in travel. We have our motorbikes here. And we also go for some hikes. So, yeah, you caught me doing all my favorite things. But let's stop talking about me and let's talk about some stuff which I hope will be helpful to you. So today what I would like to talk about is, first of all, a little bit about how to prepare for different interview stages. Meaning, you know, when you apply for the job, when you apply for the product management job, usually go through a couple of interview stages. So I'll try to focus on each one of them and explain a little bit more about them. I'll also try to tell you what is the general purpose from the other side. So for example, from interviewer side of those steps, of those interview steps and how to distinguish them. And I also try to mention a little bit when to ask which questions while interviewing. So at which steps you should ask which questions. So, yeah, but first of all, yeah, I really do hope that after this webinar, you will not be this sub little boy next to Johnny Depp. I really do hope that you will get some some good insights and the interviews will be a little bit of an easier process for you. But let's start with, yeah, actually, what is the usual process. So of course, it can be very different depending on the company, etc. But usually there is, there are a lot of similarities, right, you probably also went through already a couple of processes and you know that usually the interviews will start with a call with a recruiter. Then you will mostly have some sort of an interview with the manager so your future manager and the manager of the team that you are about to join. Then you will probably have interview with a team and now interview with the team can be actually both here it can be either your future peers so exactly maybe another product manager or another senior product manager from your team. It can also be an interview with your stakeholders and I also like to call it a team right because when you work as a product manager. Yes, you have a lot of different stakeholders around you, but in general you usually form sort of a team, which goes around one goal. And of course, those actually two steps interview with a manager interview with a team can very often be like interchangeable so maybe we'll start actually with an interview with a team and the interview with the manager will be the last step. Sometimes there might be also some additional short call with a with a person maybe somewhere higher up in the carer she so some kind of a VP of product, or some kind of a business leader, even sometimes a C level, people can join. But today I would like to focus on those three main I would say interview steps. Because usually when you get to meet, let's you know somewhere from from from higher up on the interview. It's kind of like a very last final step just a sort of a formality check. And also a chance for you to to get to introduce to someone who is running the company. Of course, you know, that's just a usual frame, it may differ so please don't like you know call me out afterwards. If, if you have had some different process. That's that's just a frame. It can be sometimes you know a little bit different you can have maybe no two steps of the interview with the team, you know because it will be split it into two different days, etc, etc. But I would say for the purpose of today presentation, today's presentation, it's it's kind of, you know, good enough, a little bit, you know, more high level overview of the of the process. Yeah. So let's start now I would like to know go through each of those three steps a little bit more into the details. And, and walk you through each of those steps and start with the purpose. So let's start with a call with recruiter. So the purpose of the call with recruiter from my site for example so now I can really tell you what is the purpose usually that I tried to fulfill with such a such a call if I, if I'm talking with with candidates who are applying to the zone. So first of all, I want to introduce the candidate to the company.  I want to tell them about the team. I want to tell them in general about the zone and the company that I work for. And also of course a part that I have to fulfill as well which is evaluation of some essential skills needed for the job. So these are really like you know those essential ones which means that you know if you. This is kind of like you know like passing the first bar that they set and these are so essential skills that someone who doesn't possess them shouldn't go through the next steps. Often it's also a first check first evaluation of the communication skills, because as you can probably probably imagine all communication is really a key in product management jobs, and you for sure know it. If someone struggles with clear concise communication. It just really difficult to be then you know to go for example to the next level of influencing your stakeholders, getting that the common sense for everyone around you and really making sure that the project goes forward and the products are delivered. And the call with recruiter has also one more purpose is the kind of check of some formalities which also needs to be in line with with what what is kind of the idea for the for the role. And that's the step where the recruiter and myself, we will check the solid expectations or a solid level of the candidate and eligibility to work in center in certain countries for example, and the availability so availability it means when you can start the earliest. And yes and now, knowing this. What could you prepare for such a call so imagine, you know you got the, you applied for the job. You're getting the invite, usually via email from a recruiter, and you are about to have such a call with a recruiter let's say next day or in two days from now. So what you could think of, I would say, try to think of a smooth and short summary of your past experience. Because this is also very often what the recruiter will start with so they will start with a question. Can you tell me a little bit more about you know your past career, how did it went etc. You know, here, very often I see, you know the question may arise, should this summary start from the current job and go down, you know into the past, or should you start from your first job and drive up to the, to the last one. I see candidates doing actually both. And I would say, it doesn't matter in the, in the long run. I would say choose the one that fits you that makes sense kind of for you in your head so if you prefer to go chronologically, you know from the first job you had until the current one. It's not perfect, or if you prefer to go actually backwards. That's also good. Just think of, you know, what works better for you because that will allow you to be more clear. If you try to do it the other way, which doesn't fit very well with your I don't know like really your your likes. You have to force yourself to do something that is not natural for you and that may stops your clear communication. Right, so try to go with the easy way. So don't put you for yourself unnecessarily blockers. And I assure you, for for recruiters I think the majority of us, it really doesn't matter if you start from the past or from the up until now as long as it's clear, concise, smooth, and we kind of you know we can really it's easy really easy to follow right the whole path that you that you went through. Then think also of course why you want to work in this company right so very often, you know, one of my top top questions and I can reveal it you know it's not, you know, a brainer here. It's also like you know why you have applied for this role. Why you have chosen, you know, to click the button and send the CV, and why this company why out of like, you know, quite a lot of offers as be honest. There is quite a lot of choice for for the product management jobs around the world. Why you have decided to actually pick this one. And think about it upfront so you will have the answer ready. Then also think about your seller expectations because that's really I would say like you know 99%. That will be the question that that you will be asked on the first call with the recruiter. What are your seller expectations. If you're applying for example from another country, anyone to relocate. Think about, you know, try to do the research about what is the cost of living there. What are the average salaries offered for the role that you're applying. So do a little bit of the research of your own if you have friends. Ask them, you know, hey, what do you think I should I should be asking for. Because that's really also makes the whole of the rest of the process easier when you already clearly state, you know, more or less what are your expectations. And then of course, like, you know, check the things like your notice period if you're not sure. Because you will also probably be asked when you can start so how soon after the decision a positive one is made, you can be available to start a new company. So it's you know your notice period your any plant holidays or plant trips that may disturb your start date. Also do mention those it's really. It just makes you you know much more, I would say credible as well and you know thinking forward when you are immediately like you know saying hey by the way in a month from now I actually have to go for two weeks somewhere. And it's also a good practice of course to inform yourself a little bit about the company. Right now, you know, you will not be probably discredited at the very first stage. If you know nothing about the company because the market is anyways quite driven by the candidates. But I would say it's really much better if you know already something because that leads to the last thing of course questions. If you inform yourself about the company upfront it will be easier for you to know which questions you want to ask. And from the recruiter, you may expect you know they can tell you probably quite a lot about the culture about the team that you will work. Maybe sometimes about some you know challenging tasks that are in the job. But I would say any any type of more you know high level kind of you know entry information about the company. That's you know that's the time to ask them plus the benefits. If you want to know usually the recruiters will you know if they will not tell you immediately about the benefits and everything that is kind of you know around the actual offer. And you can you can really you know easily ask the recruiter. They usually should know it I have to say they should because of course you know I I'm not working with all the recruiters. I just know that for example in my team every recruiter knows all the benefits by hearts. So you know it's a it's a given and in my past companies usually as well it worked like that but I have to you know keep some. Some safe space for some other recruiters who maybe you know just working a bit different way. So yeah the benefits type of the contract all those you know kind of formalities which also the recruiter wants to check. You can also check for yourself at this very stage. All right so I think that's that's about the call with the recruiter. So now let's go to the next step, which is interview with the monitor. Usually the purpose of the interview with the manager, especially when it starts right after right after the call with the recruiter. It's like you know it's a next consecutive step. The purpose is to evaluate the team fit. So your team fit how you will kind of you know fit with all the different personalities that are there in the team. And the usual flow that is that is in the team. There is also you know another purpose is actually to check of your core scales. So you have like you know you have kind of this usually goes gradually so we start with the essential ones then we go to the core ones. And then we would go to the really like almost like a whole variety of the requirements that are needed for the job. So for the for the manager is usually you know just just checking the core skills. And also they are trying to define of how successful you will be on the job in this company environment so they will try to really define you know this this kind of success ratio of yours. And also they will probably try to define already your seniority level. So they will also want to make sure if the job is for example, you know, for some really senior people and they will want to see that you meet the bar. Or if the job is for, you know, maybe more like a mid range product manager standard level. Then they will also want to see and check for themselves that this job will be the right one for you and it will give you enough challenges. So I'll probably ask a little bit also around your ambitions, and so on. And how you can prepare for this in majority of cases, this interview will be built around behavior questions. It can be either behavioral one or situational one hypothetical ones. So the behavioral question would be about your past examples from your career, which showcase some of your core skills and the core skills can be different. I can't of course like tell you because each interview will be built a little bit differently around different skills. But I think you can try to see read through maybe the job description and see what kind of skills are mentioned there and try to expect questions around those. So what you can prepare upfront is think about those examples which showcase maybe your adaptability to different like, you know, changing situations, you know, usually as a product manager you work in, for example, agile companies which have to, you know, sometimes change immediately a lot of things. So your adaptability, flexibility and dealing with challenges, conflict resolution, et cetera, et cetera. And what you can also think in here is to use the star method. The star method, if you have never heard about it, I doubt it's usually already quite common one, but you can easily Google it. It's a method recommended actually for both interviewers and interviewees. So the interviewers use it sometimes as a frame for when they ask a question and how to ask the follow up questions. And the star is translated into situation, task, action and result, meaning that you describe the situation that you were in. You describe the task that you have kind of, you know, figured out that needs to be done, sorry. Then you describe the actions that you took to, you know, kind of complete the task. And what was the result? Positive, negative, did you manage to achieve everything that you managed to achieve it partially, et cetera. So it really helps while giving a clear answer to the question, which usually starts, for example, describe a situation in which you had to, or maybe you were disagreeing with someone from your team, or you have faced a conflict in your team. So describe the situation, tell us what you have done, et cetera, et cetera. And to prepare for the interview with the monitor, I would also recommend to think of the examples which are both the wins and the failures. Why? Because it's through the failures that we learn the most. And it's sometimes through the failures that we can really get to know you. When everything goes well, it's easy. It's simple. It's actually those situations which are the challenging ones, and the ones in which maybe at the beginning you kind of fail, but then through the way you learn how to get better, how to improve. That's the stuff that it's usually quite important. And I see also quite a lot of candidates have, of course, problems with talking about the failures. And it's natural, because in the interview scenario, you want to show yourself right from the best side. So it's natural for us to try to avoid to talk about something that didn't go exactly as we wanted, or maybe we actually failed and we had to kind of revamp a little bit. But let's not forget that failing is supernatural.  But what's important is that we can, you know, fail fast, right? So fail, learn from it, and just, you know, adapt, change, apply something different, and improve and win. So that's the best showcases that you can think of. So somewhere where you actually failed, but then managed to improve based on the learnings that you got from your failure. And of course, before the interview with the monitor, get to know the company even better. You have now some information from the call with the recruiter, use that, dig a little bit deeper. You can also, by the way, going a little bit backwards, because now I thought about it. When you talk with the recruiter, you can ask for some maybe materials that they recommend to go through any type of the website, you know, careers website, anything else that can describe, you know, a little bit better the company. So it will be helpful for you to prepare for the interview, like next step, for example. Now questions. It's also now like quite crucial to ask questions at this interview. I always say it's at every interview step you need to ask questions. It's really, really, really good, good practice. So please never leave this window for you empty. Because now you are talking to your future monitor. So ask them the questions, for example, about what is their practice of setting the goals? Can they give you an example of the goal that they think will be your first goal when you join? How they evaluate them? How they run the performance reviews? Will you have the one-on-ones with them on the regular basis? Et cetera, et cetera, right? So try to ask, you know, how they work, et cetera. So you have quite a lot of information to see if you also fit with this monitor. Because I always say it's a two-way street. Interview is never one way. It's also your chance to, you know, maybe actually avoid getting into the company that you don't want to get into, or maybe working with the monitor that you don't want to work with. So ask those questions and don't be afraid to kind of, you know, like evaluate the monitor, your future monitor as well. All right. And yes, that's the final part, the third part of our today's webinar. It will be quite simple and short. So I hope you will like it. Because I also think I prefer a bit now snappier and shorter versions of the webinar. Now it's the part with about interview with the team. So yeah, usually it goes as the third step, for example. But as I said, again, it can be also you can start with it, et cetera. And again, by the team, I mean here, your future peers and your future stakeholders. It can be that you will not even meet your future peers. Some of the companies will only introduce you to the stakeholders. It really depends on the, you know, on the company and the situation, et cetera. But the interview with the team is sort of the main evaluation of the requirements and the skills that are needed for the job. And sometimes you may also have a live assessment during such a step. So you will be given a short task. Sometimes the task is actually given to you to home before the interview. And then sometimes you need to present it on the interview. It's really very different, different ways. But also this step is kind of like a final definition of your seniority level as well. And it's really the main, as I mentioned before, it's kind of like a main step which will really try to define all the skills that are required for the job. So for this one, it's also that the good preparation is very, very needed. And what you can do, again, the STAR method, you will be probably be asked again the behavioral questions and also hypothetical one. Hypothetical one will be imagine you are given, I don't know, a backlog left by someone to kind of work through. Like by the previous PM, maybe not finished one or something. And you are given this and you have to work through it and what do you do, right? What kind of steps you are planning and so on, what are the actions you are taking? And so think about the STAR method because it will again, you know, it helps actually for both to answer behavioral questions and the situational hypothetical one. Because for the hypothetical one, you can again think first, okay, so what is the situation? What is the task that you have to complete? And then you think, okay, so I'll take these and these actions and you describe them. And then the result, well, hypothetically, you can imagine about the result, but the result will be actually like, you know, here, your answers. And how to prepare for this one? Of course, besides like, you know, like, googling a lot about, you know, maybe find some information on the on the internet about the interviewing with this specific company, or in general interviewing and so on. I would also say, go through the job description again, you have a lot of details very often in the job description, which will define actually the required skills and it will help you to understand around which skills the questions might be. And for example, in my previous webinar, I was also showing a little bit about how to see those keywords in the job description, which will define, you know, what kind of skills are needed. And those are different ones, for example, sometimes, you know, you can see that you need to be very data driven in the job, or you need to be very self starters, you have to have bias for action. So think about those situations from your past, which will describe, you know, how you took ownership, how you took initiative, and things were completed with the with the success. So try to really go to the job description and focus on those keywords. And, and, yeah, and prepare based on this. If you can't find the job description, a little tip here, little, little positive to start for for a tip from the recruiter. Ask the recruiter. So you should be in contact with the recruiter throughout the whole process should have at least their phone number or an email maybe ask them because sometimes maybe throughout the process you know it's already the final step. It might be that the job posting is already gone. So, because they may be closed it because you know they got enough applicants etc. The recruiter should always be able to help and send you this prior to your final interview. And also, really feel free to ask a recruiter about maybe some tips, ask them, what do they think like you know what you should prepare. And try to kind of, you know, be proactive as well around the around the interview if you don't get enough information from the from the recruiter already. And what, what is the final thing here to talk about is questions to your future team. So again, as I mentioned the questions I think are really important to ask on every single interview step you go through. It also now with the question it depends a little bit if you are talking actually with your peers, or with your stakeholders. But of course the questions to your peers will be a little bit about like you know how you organize maybe how they organize the work between each other, how, how for example, because they have, you know, if it's really a product manager job, you can already ask them, you know, who is establishing the roadmap how the process looks like. How many teams they they work with like development teams from teams with, you know, all these really detailed questions which will help you also understand. I don't wish it of course to anyone but there are sometimes the companies where for example, the teams are really overloaded right so they work with too many scrum teams at once. And it's, it's good for you to know it before so that's why really, you know, I know that I like repeat repeat repeat this but it's really important. I think to ask those questions during the interview so you don't end up in, yeah, in a team for example which would just get too much of a workload. And another thing if you are talking for example with the with the stakeholders. And you can. Yeah, you can already start asking a little bit of the first questions that you would ask if you if you joined the company and you're about to meet your stakeholders right so maybe try to ask them also so you understand the map of the stakeholders so So try to ask them like you know, whom you will be involved with besides them, because you may talk with some people from from marketing, or maybe some people from engineering side from from finance from legal and try to get an understanding and also know what will be the whole whole stakeholder map of of yours if you if you joined the company. And, yeah, and I think that's, that's it that's about the final stage of the interview process of the interview with the team. One of the ways from this today short short webinar would be that the purpose of each interview step is slightly different. It's really good to think about it right so think up front, which, which step you're going through, is it the call with the recruiter, is it the call with the monitor, is it the call with your team or the stakeholders, and thinking about this purpose, knowing actually from my side what is the usual purpose from it.  And how to adjust also your questions. And then think also read a little bit more about the star method. So you could see it was really like a common thing and joining basically all the all the three steps of the call with the recruiter, the call with the interview with the monitor and interview with the team. In each of those steps, the star method might be useful. The call with the recruiter, it's sometimes the least because usually you get, you don't get many behavioral questions at this stage. But sometimes you also do. So it may be also good to kind of, you know, work through it. I don't know, maybe, maybe even try to record yourself to when giving an answer to some hypothetical question or behavioral one that you have thought of or found online. And try to see for yourself, for example, based on this recording, how clear your communication sounds. Because the communication is also something that will be evaluated through all the steps as I also mentioned before. The star method helps you to really clearly plan out your answer and and go, you know, through each step, situation, task, action, result. Clearly, and it also it's it also is like much clearer for your listener. And yeah, and the final thing here is your questions. So write them down, ideally, I think, write your questions down before each step. And an answer like, sorry, ask them all and find the answers that will suit you. Also, when you think about your questions, don't, I would say, you know, don't try to just ask them for the purpose of asking. Ask them because you really are seeking for some information for yourself that will help you to evaluate if the company that you're applying to and the job that you're applying to is really the right one for you. So, because sometimes I also think that it's easy to go into the trap and just, you know, every like, you know, everywhere online, everyone will tell you it's a good practice to ask questions on the interview.  But don't try to ask those questions because you want to show something to the interviewer. Think about yourself here, really focus on I think that's really the important kind of change in the mindset that when you are thinking about your questions. You're thinking about yourself, you're thinking about you who want to check the company for yourself before you join this company. So that's the goal always always that's that should be always the goal.  I really do not recommend this approach. Because I really truly believe that once we really check the company as well through the interview process, we will end up in a much better job for us. It's much more fitted for us will be happier, satisfied, and, and probably will stay stay much longer, actually in the in the company. And it is also like, you know, of course now in general the time spans throughout the different, you know, career steps are in general short and it's also fine. It's natural. Everything is changing super fast. But I think there's also a value in. And sometimes just, you know, for the peace of your mind simply staying in in the company for slightly longer and just be happy with that company, etc. All right, so that's that's basically it for today. So the summary from today no presentation will be, you know, think about the purpose of each step of the interview process. Prepare the star methods and think about your questions. And thank you very much for tuning in today. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you learned some some stuff and I hope it was helpful. I wish you also all good luck in your interview stages, new jobs, etc. As you can see here, I am more of a cat person while I am in general of all animals but for this. On this slide I have found the cute cut gift. And I hope you will find your dream job. A little bit easier now with, you know, with few tips from my side. So thank you very much. Enjoy your evenings mornings or afternoons wherever you are. I am happy that you tuned today to see my webinar. And also if you will have any questions afterwards, feel free to reach out actually to me directly on LinkedIn. You can easily find me by my name and surname so Katarzyna Paczynska actually the longer version you need to find out but if you just use the surname you should also find me. In any ways you can always contact the school and they will have the details of mine. So they will for sure help. And yeah, happy interviewing, happy job finding. Good luck to you all. And if you have any some, you know, any more detailed questions, feel free to reach out I'm always happy to help and answer. Thank you very much. And enjoy the rest of your days.


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What's up guys and welcome to trendy updates up our SPM buzz. Now onto the trending news today is the Kenyan Foreign Affairs Cabinet Secretary Alfred Mutua who has said that they are getting ready as the Kenyan government to take food staffs and personnel to Turkey and Syria. Now we all know on Monday that is on that Feb, Turkey experienced a massive earthquake that hit that particular region and more than 3,000 people were pronounced dead and also 10,000 people are definitely injured that is from this attack in northern Syria massive earthquake so clearly you can see that they are going through hard time and the Kenyan government has decided to send a food staff and personnel to Turkey and of course the Cabinet Secretary for Foreign Affairs Mr. Alfred says that the government will communicate the collection points of the donated items. Like any Sasa story in Iqamba you know the Kenyans have a lot to say when it comes to what the government has decided to do and most of them in the comments section don't seem to agree with this plan. I'm gonna be reading some of the comments where the Konyambia what are your thoughts as well. We have 8400 MRC's wonders never end. The leaders from the northern part of Kenya are calling upon the government to declare the drought a national disaster so that we can help from and we can get help from NGOs and the government is it doing that. Ken Kenyans say I'll just mind my own business. He and I are going to enjoy where we import from now we take the same clothes back. Half-caster says food staffs now are to wait to our priorities as Kenyans. Let's first stretch our hands to fellow Kenyans who are in need in some dry parts of our country like Turkana, Wajio, Moyale. Good idea from Dr. Alfred Mutoa but again there is a misplacement of priorities. Meanwhile we send love and our prayers to the people in Turkey. We have our own suffering and nothing is being extended to them. We are going to do it and they should first solve hunger problems in the country. We have sent prayers that's all we have left from these abusive governments. Then as I wind up J.W. Kimathi really charity should begin at home we are not out of the woods. I don't know what are your thoughts about what the Kenyan government has a plans and a way to send our foodstuffs and you know personnel of Paletaki and Syria. Let us know down on the comments section but in the meantime keep it trendy updates, hapa SPM buzz.