Ac rydych chi'n gwybod i'w gweithio'r platformiai mewn i ni'n gwneud i fynd i'r gwirioneddau lleidio'n gwelydd hefyd, ac yn ddwy'n ddweud i'r bobl cyffredinol iawn a'r bobl ymgyrch arbennig, ac mae'r cynhyrch yn ei ddweud i fyny'r poddiol yn hynny. Mae'r gweithio'n mynd yn gweithio, ac mae'n gweithio'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. I ddim mae yma ddim yn dweud i'r berdiwyd yn ddech chi'n teimlo i fynd i fynd oed, ac maeER gweithio i nodi gyda'r pethau o'i dzion i gyfan ni. I gael ddweud i ddim. Mae roedd bod yn strifeig yn ddillion i'r nodi! Mae roi chi yn i'n meddwl i chynig i'r newydd mewn gwirionedd. A'r amlamos i'n gwirionedd o'r blaf ac rwy'n gallu i ddim yn ddech chi. A rhoi, rydw i wedi'n gwirionedd o'r blaf. Dwi ddim yn gwirionedd i gweithiol. Yn ymgyrch, ac mae'n cael ei adeilad, fel y cyffredin sydd wedi'i gydig arweinydd? Yn ymgyrch, mae'r ddim yn ddim yn y llaw o'r gynnod. Mae'r ddim yn ddweud, mae'r ddweud yn gyfroedd. Ielais gallu cael ei ffordd yn gweithio. Mae'r ddweud yn ddod. Mae'r ddweud yn ffantasig o'r ddweud, ond mae'r ddweud yn ddweud. A'r ddweud o'i ddweud eu prysau. Ac mae'r ddweud arweinydd. Yn ymgyrch gyda'r ddweud, Rwyf yn y mynd i'n gweithiofa i mi i siw sydd wedi bod ym mhugol unrhyw iawn. Rwyf yn ymgyrch i chi'n gweithio i chi'n gweithio'r llex. Mae gael i mewn i chi'n gweithio'r apart i chi. Felly, rydyn ni'n amddangos ei ffain yn y byd. Rydyn ni'n amddangos ei bod eich tîm yo. Elio'r pangol a'r cwaith o y byd yn hyn. Roeddwn i'n meddwl digon a blaen o'r tyfn yn ei ffain. Gweithio hynny, ac rydyn ni'n gweithio i chi wedi cofnod i chi. Dwi e destroyed. Hefyd drw y manager. A Exc deer mit areas. After that, that round- هوr thing. I really understood me fortaway it was friending I didn't realise what he did to other people until obviously after about 2 weeks when I put them all diesem. Dadar gairs became footballers 2015 Meint y operates mear. Ah, the work called lettuce and leech. To pull. How are you? Ya, i'm areh, ok to bad. people to find out that the virus has a coronavirus- I mean, I've got the virus, but I've got the coronavirus in the fridge. It's all right, not so bad, just kicking it along. It's a weird time for everybody, so I've just got to keep your head above. What about you looking well? Keeping fine? Yeah, I did some training for a few weeks morn in the night of the health form and I was going to go back. Sorry, the sport but it was cause of the virus so I've had to shut it down.  Ew, ond ond arall dyna gwydd. Yokio, ond es i'n prynllun ardi. Absoluton hwyl i Ni Dapol, yw laminfa, yn Skylar, England. Yn gyfaint o ysgodd ac eich gweithio'r stori... ...yna'r amser, un peth yn o'n meddwl. Nid oedd gweithio i gyd, nid yw ddechrau ei gyfrypeth. Yn gyfo yng Nghymru, Mae yn meddwl am Roedd Yne. Rwyf pethau yn iawn. Gwyl nhw, mewn gyfaint o'r bydau. Felly, gwyl o'r byddau gweithio yna. Mae'r bwysig ddweud ym Mhwyr. Rwy'r cymddech chi. Rwy'r cymddech chi'n blygu rei. Phramwyr ond gallai'r tyfentydd mewn cyfnodd awm yn Cyniartfodol. Felly i'r clwrs i leisio'n ddiwylliannol, ac i'r wath. Mae gafnodd i'r cymddech chi'n bwysig. Mae ddweud yw'r cyfrifiad. Mae gwybod hi'n bwysig arыхir, ac mae i chi'n gwybod hi oherwydd. Rwy'r cyfrifiad a rwy'n cael bob hŷ. Anyway, it used to work. When you played like football in table tennis. And I went out every day, you know, every night went there. And, you know, when my dad first bought me football – when I was 7, first leather football. I just kept it. I slept in with it. I dribbled it everywhere, dribbled it at the school, used to hide a ball, then dribbled all the way back. Just now I don't stop playing you know, and then obviously I used to watch the old match of the day. And then obviously I used to watch the old match of the day. In the first one I really watched that's still how it was. The young cry turn. And I mastered that. Instead just.. You know, I love school more because of the pay lessons and obviously play time. You should just constantly play football.  When my mum would tell a kick tennis when I was three all the time on stop and when I got that first football ear so far I felt I was just constantly playing football. Who was the player you looked up to at Newcast about that time? FWA em i gweld i gyd i gweithio ifropol yndda'r newcastle. Mae gwaith yma yna credu yw Super Mac yw cwch iawn i'r ffordd. A am wna gwaith ymwneud yw'r escort Willie Mac Foyl. Fwnt mwy o'r newcastle Willie Mac Foyl mae'r gwasanaeth Aylindr a'n ddweud. A fyddech chi oed yn cael ei ffwrdd i'w siwgol i'r newcastle erbyn interessanteb ac rhawn. Felly mae gwaith yma mae'n gwych gyda.. Mae'n credu i gyd yn amlwg. Mewn unrhyw oedd gwneud Ffyrdd, ym alleis arweid. Mae'r 30 ganwch yn gyfnodiaeth Jacky Milbourne, o hoffi, eich bod yn ysgrifennu gwirio yn ymddangos gyda ni. Mae'r wych yn gyfnodiaeth Jack Milbourne fel yw'r gweithio. Mae'r ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw'n ddyn nhw, yn gyfnodio'r rai am ymddangos i'w meddwl. Ond efallai yn ymdweud o'r blaen, mae'n 16 o ffordd yn cael digon o'r bwysig. Dw i'n gweithio? Dw i'n gweithio i chi'n gweithio i chi'n gweithio i chi'r ddokumentau Cyngor chi tensions yma… Cyngor hwnnw yma… Cyngor hwnnw am straf cili i mas Holdtem yn ddigon i gyd mate, lle wnaeth Pressam yn ysgrif talking ac ru daeth e breflau hyn y papamedd. Cyngor hwnna dw i gael mewn gwirihau copper iawn ar w Farenynau, mae yna tungkol sy'n gweithio beth, mae hwnna maen nhw. Cent y fel slowsie yn y recruitment yma, Cyngor, mae'n rhaid i'w trefnod i'w gofyn i'w tyfnol. Yn mynd i'w ddaid, byddwn i'w ddaid. Mae'n tynnu i gyd, ond rhaid i'w ddiddordeb eich ddau. Mae'n ddiddordeb, a'n ddiddordeb. Mae'n ddiddordeb. Mae'n ddiddordeb a'n ddiddordeb i'w ddiddordeb. Dyma, mae'n fyddwch yn ymddangos. Mae wneud i ni'n gwybod a'r gyfrifiadon, mae eich ddydig yn ysgrifennu, Felly e'n ddigon i'r rhai o'r llen, e'n ddigon i'r llen. Oes e'n ddigon i'n ddigon i'r llen, e'n ddigon i'r llen, e'n ddigon i'r llen. Felly e'n ddigon i'r llen, e'n ddigon i'r llen. Rydyn ni'n gwaith rhywbeth o'r ffordd sydd yn gwneud. Mae ym mwyaf, mae'r gwaith cymryde, maen nhw'n rhaid. Mae'n gofod eich Lysymri i ddwy. Mae'n gofod eich bwysgol, mae'n gofod eich gwaith, A wnaeth ddod mae'n cyflwyryd yn arfer ac nid o'n ddiddordeb eu bod yn oed yn ei feddwl ac mae fydd yn eich collu. A mae eich gwybod ddiddordeb yw i ddiddordeb. Dwi'n meddwl, mae'n glwysig wedi gadael ythodattu. Ond ddim yn ei ddiddordeb mewn arfer, ac nid yn iddy'r ffordd iddo rydw i chi oedd y gallwn yn ffordd. Felly mae'n sain. Mae yna yn amlion ei ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb doedd yn ei ffordd i chi ychydig, mae hynny'n ei ddiddordeb i chi. clear because his mam said you know to brothers Steve was my age and he was eight Steve was eight and Keith was ten mi age and I just go with Keith and he didn't want to go because Steve was going and his first time at the reg experience club said look up to him and says I willing and went up the shop and then we come up the shop and started running in front of an extreme man. He was yn ei ddwych. Rwy'n meddwl yn 30 oed i roi. Mae roeddi'n gŷchgylch i roi, i gyfnodol, i dda i hyn o'r rai. Rwy'n meddwl yn ychydig o roi, ac mae'r ddweud eich gydig. Rwy'n meddwl i'r cheif, a dwi'n meddwl i'n meddwl i roi. Mae'n meddwl i'r roi. Ac rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r ddweud i'r bod yn yr adeg, i ddweud i'r bod yn yr adeg. Rydyn ni'n meddwl ac rydyn ni'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r gyrdd ymddangod. Dyma'n ddif wedi ddif wedi'i wneud yn siŵn i'r hwg ddiwydd ar hynny. A dyna'r gwaith ni'n ddif wedi bod y byddai'r gwrthu'r môl yn ymgyrch yn eu gweithio'r hwg, ac mae'n amlirio'r hwg ddif wedi'u gwneud o'r tromau ar y 10-yrsodd. Felly ydych chi'n deall ei ddif i'r gwneud yn ei wneud o'r adiyniadau? Felly yn ymgyrch o'r gwrthu'n gweithio'r hwg. Felly, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio. Iressen i sut, intensifoniaid dywed. Na sylwaith mynd wedi unfortunateo i chi. Mewiach i chi o fynd y completion ddwylaeth lle i'ray apartments y cyd-egam iddyn nhw. Where she for aTV, I was looking up to rib, no quadru rwy fyd byddeynt drwy fedrg gyda na wg4. iddyn nhw di chweithio ag i chi callo ar gyfer i chi ddirON. I had it for a couple of months I thought I was never going to go away. But when we eventually, I was pleased about that. But yeah, I mean me first date, you know I always wanted to score the Gallagherd end. And it did happen, you know. I remember when I come inside once, I think it was a transaction of playtiffers. And I pretended to shoot broader than saying hit the station. So you know then I jumped on the fence. It was brilliant because some of me friends were actually in the crowd. And you know I used to go to, well I was only on 25 quid a week, me mam was on 30 quid a week, mam was on 25. And I said mam no, so we were asked to be on 30, you know 25. So went and I've got the dogs to feed.  But going to the games I used to, you know I'd be playing against man at night, I'd be on the bus with the fans. And they didn't know I was playing against my new cast at night.  And I was only after the game, I'd get on the bus back home. And I always remember the one guy, just looked at him and he went, are you just being playing before for Newcastle? And I put my head down a little bit, I went, yeah. He said, well if you don't play better than the next game, you'll be broken home. And I made sure I did all right with the next game. But yeah until I bought me first car, which was a £3 mini, which was all right. Yeah I felt the bollocks then. What was it like signing for Newcastle? Yeah it was good, you know, I was sitting there signing there and I knew I was going to be getting paid for the next two years, so that was okay. And then I wasn't in the youth team, I was subbing that. And he would never play us. And I mean he died, it wasn't great. I used to buy a pack of mince, I was a bottle of coke and fish and chips at night. And then Jack Chonwick, my manager, when he pulled us aside, I was 16 and a half and he went, yeah, you're a good player. I said, yeah, I am. He says, how long you got in your contract? So I was cocky and I went two years.  He said, so lunchtime, he said send us to make coffee, give us steak and drop a potato nap and then I thought, that's nice. I mean he says, right, you're getting picked up at 6 o'clock at night. And I went, what for? He says, you're going to be trading with Brendan Foster, who's a runner and he used to trade in the athletes. So every night, for a few weeks, I'd be trading at 6 o'clock with these athletes, it was hard. And then I started trading sometimes 11 o'clock at night, going for runs and that. And within a month, I was captain of the youth team, captain of the reserves. And then we played in the youth campaign and I scored 2-1, 4-0 against Waffer away. And then he come to the dressing room and he said, pulled us aside, he says, right then, you come and meet in a while. I said, what for? He says, you're going to be playing against Ipswich. I panicked. I said, no, I don't want to go back and celebrate it with the laths. And so he says, OK, then I'll play your next game. And then obviously, I remember sitting on the bench with him. It was so funny. But he was sitting there and Jack was brilliant of us. And he was sitting there and he went there. The fans thought he was the thing in there, charlin out, charlin out. And he looked at it and he had a little cigarette in his hand. And he went, do you think I need this, guys? I went, not really.  That was him. He'd gone and I remember going to the dressing room in the off time. And the players went, where's Jack's home? And when he's left, he went home, he's had enough. He's quitting. So the team went out and that and I think we'll beat Sheffield. I think it was 1-0 or something like that. And then the next year, he was collecting his stuff from the office and he opened the window because we were in the youth club. And I was on 25 for a week and he went, the guys come up, so I went upstairs and he pulled 120 quid out of his pocket. I went, oh, that's good. And he gave us it and he went, cheers. So I ran downstairs, I was so excited, 120 quid. And then he opened the window, he went 10 pound each for all the players.  Okay, then I kept it, I think. And that was it, you know? Yeah, so, you know, I remember the first three games for Newcastle was like Liverpool. I got 10 out of 10 man of match. I was only 17. Then Monday night I got man of match. I think that's when Fergie fancied signers. And then the other one was talking to my squad too. I remember going home and I said, Dad, when are you going to come watch us play? You went when you made it, so you haven't made it yet. So he sort of grounded us straight away. I would go, I've just been man of match three times. I think he used to watch us in the workmen's club. I used to go after the games and that and then go and watch myself play on match of the day. Did your dad used to get in the office watching you play?  He just, all he used to say is get buckled in son. I get stuck in in that. I said I will do. I think it was just mostly when I was at play for talking to my family coming couple of games.  How was it then? Man in a match for a couple of games, scoring goals. I know you used to get nervous before games. Were you nervous then or were you fearless? Fearless, I didn't bother.  I used to talk to them on anything else. Then me pwn and I used to talk to them in daylight to them. I remember I came once. I just taught them all the time. Cos I said he was a new kid on a block and I remember going down the tunnel and I said, Roy, you're the new kid on a block.  And I won one little buddy. He said afterwards in the paper, he said, thank God that game's over with you. He says I've never been talked to so much in my life. I used to say I'm sleeping with you in my way. I said I'm not even married. I said she's in the stands looking at us and he'd look up and I've run away with the ball and I'm. I did the same with Robbie Savage but I used to just love it, you know. Because you know, you train all week and then you look forward to the sat day and I would never get nervous on the sat day cos I watch sometimes the footballer day and I see like a centre half come. He's got loads of space and he just smashes out of play. And I think, what do you do that in training? In training, you probably bring it down and thing. He was so, I just enjoyed it, you know. I never, I never, I like when I got beat, I never cried. When I won, I sort of was in tears when I won cos I felt like I achieved something and I've always been the same in any sport, like, you know. Yeah. Yeah, and then I just got more confident and confident, I think, than firstly I won, I got my first goal or not. And then played against some of the top players like Brian Robson, Peter Reid, some of the top players in midfield in that and I was getting the better of them. The second game I did with Brian Robson, I had my first, I remember playing against him in Newcastle United and Man United and he scored a penalty and he won't pass. And I just looked at it, but I went, great penalty, Brian.  And I went, oh, that's okay. And then I went home and came against. That was it, Liverpool, Kenny Daglish was at the front post and I went and stood next to him and I just told him, I'm going, wow, you're Kenny Daglish. He just looked at it and sort of smiled. I was just told him, just like, God, I was in all these people, not knowing I was like, so if I caught really, I was in the game with him. I just tried to enjoy it, you know, and get on the ball as much as possible. What game was it, Fanny Jones, was your very first game, Fanny, grabbed your balls? Yeah, the Wimbledon Wii. She's remember being a dressing room. Was he a tough bastard, then? Yeah, he was a hard bastard as well. I was just in the dressing room and the man's of Willie Whiteford says, Peter Beasie up against Gale at the back, be careful, use his elbows a bit. And he's a tough guy. He went to Glenroydor, he up against John Fashner, use his elbows, be careful, you know, he's solid. And he just looked at me and he went, that's a good look. I don't know what you mean, good look. He played against a guy called Fanny Jones. He said, I don't know how he can play, but I've heard he's a hard case. And he says, well, I recognise him. He says, I think so. And the minute we come out of the dressing room and I'm walking down the tunnel and I just see this guy with muscles. Jesus Christ, and the veins in his neck and his skin. I went, that's got to be him. And I tell people, I'll see you, if you want to go back to the dressing room and say, I really don't feel too well today. So I went up to him and I just went, hi, Fanny. And he went, main you fadbasta.  And I always say, I tell people, when I went on a pitch, you know, like just say, there's 88 minutes and you ask the referee how long to go and you say a couple of minutes. I asked the referee after two minutes how long to go. And he just looked and said, man, I went 88 minutes and I went, oh. And he followed us everywhere, everywhere, you know. He just wouldn't let us go.  Just all through the game and he was screaming loud and the fans could hear him shouting at us and all that and it was quite embarrassing. I managed to put the ball through his legs once. Seen that? I've seen the video. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, and then afterwards I come friends with him. When I signed for Tottenham, I actually come friends with him. He was the first one to turn up the hotel and I remember sitting in my room and the phone went in the reception. He says, I've got a guy here to see you. I said, oh, it's OK. Who is it?  Tell him I'm not, yeah. And now he's just waiting for us. I went down and become good friends then, you know. He still speaks very highly of you. Yeah, Vinnie. I bless him with his tani, he was a great woman. But yeah, he's always been supportive of Vinnie. Yeah. He's doing well now. He says another drink for about seven years. Yeah, good man. What about, so when you were obviously the young kid from Newcastle eating your minstrels and chips to then getting shot into Super Stardom because everybody at that time in England was speaking about you as the next hot prospect. How was that mentally for you? It was OK then. Well, it was definitely going to be hometown because I couldn't go anywhere, you know, or the eating and that and all the lads that used to go out with the lads and that. And when I was playing my Newcastle, I'd go to the night club and I got pestered a lot. The fans were brilliant awards, isn't that? You know, I got pestered all the time non-stop. I remember giving the sponsored car. The garage gave us a sponsored car. Put my name all over it and put the number of the garage on the side of the car. And everyone was ringing up the garage to say, Gazzars just crashed the car, Gazzars the car crashed. And they used to ring and someone would say, you're in the car crash. No, man. So I eventually had to give them the car back. And it was just, you know, when I got wind, I really wanted it because what I would say was that Chris Waddle, that was a bit gutted with that. And then I remember I pretended that I was my own agent and wanted to try and sign for West Ham years when I was 19 or something. And then I was just Jack John. I think I was 19 when he said I've got a contract with the sign and I said, well, I need to think about it. He said, no, you sign it. So I ship myself and I signed a four-year contract. So I thought, yeah, for four years. And then I said Peter Beasie. And I just remember seeing me dad. I'm never going to go anywhere. We saw two good players, great world class players, to be fair. And he said, just keep on playing. And the first one was a call from, it was a Kenny Douglas. I remember looking at me dad and going, dad, Kenny Douglas on the phone. He just taught them then. And I spoke to Kenny Douglas for an hour. And he'd be dad, said, what is here with dad? I didn't understand what he said. So that deal was out of it. And then a couple of days later, I was Charlotte Ferguson and he wanted to sign it's not. And he says, I'll go on holiday. He definitely signed and I thought I had money in it. I remember that full deal.  I'm going to go Newcastle won a 2.2 million for us. Liverpool won a European 2 million anyway. And then Ferguson said, I'm going on holiday. So when I get back on holiday, will you be low travel? I said, yeah, definitely.  I'm going to be playing Brian Robson and all them top class players. So wow, this is good lad. And then I think next year went the phone one and it was Irvine Scholar. And he said, won't you sign for Tottenham? I said, oh, I thought I'd taught them Monday night as a team. And I said, nah, I wouldn't sign for Monday night. He says, well, we'll buy your family, your parents, the house for 120 grand. And I went, oh, Lord, I looked at my dad, I went, dad, I'm going to buy you my mama house for 120 grand.  And I went, OK, it looks like I'm going to sign for Tottenham. And then my sister went to the sunbed. But then I went to Tottenham. I mean, when I spoke to Terry Vanham, he said, look, you signed for me and I'll help you playing for England within 10 games. And I always want to play for my country. And I did it in 80 games, but he was brilliant. You know, Terry Vanham knew when to, he was clever. Cos if I was having a good game, he'd tell us I was playing crap. So he'd light up my game even better, you know. How do you think, looking back now, is there any regret from joining Tottenham or not, man, you? Well, that season, I think at the season, we won the IP Cup final, obviously I'd only lost 12 minutes, but we finished higher, man. It was only till the season after, when brought on like schools and becks and gigs and levels. Well, then come through, you know, and we're an unbelievable team. But we'll beat them a couple of times. We'll drew away and beat them at home. I scored at home against them. But yeah, when you look back in that, you think, well, one of the things would have been different. Cos I thought, get to London, and I'll be all right, you know. Big London, big massive place, lots of famous people. So I wouldn't get bothered as much. You always want out in your castle pool. No, really, just cos I sell Peter Beats and Chris Waddon. If you want to be a great player, you want to play with the best. And I got the home that I sell them, you know. And I just thought, well, we're not going to go places. And we nearly got relegated that season. I think I scored a few goals at the end of the season, keep it up. And then I just thought, if I go to London, there's not many.  And I remember coming off on the World Cup, it was just me, him. So I didn't feel any better than I was being in Newcastle. But I loved it there, Terry Reynolds. We had a great bunch of lads. Lenico. Great team spirit, Lenico. I was saying Paul Stewart was playing brilliant for Man City. You know, he had Paul Allen. Yeah, we had a good team, you know. How was it scoring that goal, Paul, in the FA Cup semi-final? Well, I played, it was the quarter-finals. And I, in training, I did me hernia. And I went to Terry Reynolds, I did me hernia. I was on Friday's training, I went, I can play them. He says, you've got to play. He says, I can it. He says, just get through the game. So I went okay then. So I went in the warm-up, and I did the other side, so I had to double her, and I couldn't even walk. So I went in the dressing room, and I said, I can't play, you know, I'm just not playing. He says, I need you to play. So he went and got the doctor. The doctor gave us eight injections in my stomach and my thighs and numbed all the side of us. And I gave her the first goal away. And then we set up the one equalised, and then I scored the winner. And I was like 10 minutes ago, and the numbness went away, and I just stood off the airline, because we were usually subs up. And I said to Terry Reynolds, I need the operation. He went, you can it, we're playing. So he had a word with the doctor, and he says, how long does a double hernia uptake? And he said, six weeks. And we were playing also within four weeks. And I says, I'll do it for you, I'll make it for you, man. Just need this operation. So I went to the hospital and did the operation. And I always remember when I come out the operation, there was a nurse there, so he can give us 10. I want 10 more. So I went to sit-ups, I've got to sit-ups already. So I was doing sit-ups straight away, and I managed to make it. And then I just heard, I think I was watching Tottenham Hotspur Reserves play at Luton, and one of the Arsenal's coaches was there. And I don't think he really knew, he was just talking away, and he says, are you going to make the semi-fing? I says, nah. I just said, no, you're not of him. And he went, oh, we've got a suture ready.  So obviously the free kick come, and I just remember looking at this whole far away, and I thought, oh, I don't know about hitting it for me. And then Gary Lill run past us, he went, hit it. I went, I'm going over there. And yeah, I caught a belt there. And I always say, Dave Seaman was a daffshag trying to see it. He made himself look like a nugget, you know? But yeah, the celebration's afterwards. And not that, but just on the bus, because we went back to watch the other side and find the White Heart Lane. And on the bus, going back, wait, what, just bus, and it was an unbelievable feeling like I'm going to be playing in the FA Cup final. Because that was my dream. When I was growing up, my dream was to play in the World Cup. It was always to walk up them steps at Wembley. That was my dream as a footballer, because you say, I used to watch the FA Cup with the run-ups to it, and then they could find everyone on the bus and that. I always wanted to play in the FA Cup final, and to miss walking up them steps was devastating.  Then the celebration, I wanted to go, and he wouldn't let us go and join the celebration. I said, just plos at me now, but let's go. And he'd been sitting there. And then obviously he got the operation done, and then obviously that was my move to Lachow, which was, had to wait another year, you know? But you were still young, Paul, even. How are you looking back now that managers telling you with a double hair on there to still play?  Yeah, well, you know, I wanted to play in that and double her in y ar, and he was saying, no, you'll be all right, you know? Fuck, I can't even walk.  I couldn't walk, man. Yeah. But now again, there's a lot of players that got well looked after, you know? Yeah. On and off the pitch, more so than anything else. You know, I knew a therapist that had come to Evan in once. He used to be my counsellor, and we used to have one-on-one chats with him and he was really helpful. And I said, he was... I said, did you speak to anybody else in the dressing room? He wouldn't think so, and he said, yeah, about eight players. So obviously, a lot of players had problems. He didn't say who, because he was confidential, but... Yeah, but nowadays a lot of players are like... I think he's the one-space guy, he's brilliant. Well, he was a big guy, he's solid as anything. He was with 6' 4' 3'. And I'm like, you're the fitness coach. I went, no, I work for the club. And I said, what do you mean you work for the club? And he said, if any of the players, if any of the players' waves need shopping, and they've got to look after the kid, I'd go and do the shopping for them. So everything's done for them. Whether that works for you or against, it wouldn't have worked for me. I'd like to be busy all the time. And they'd just stand me on two feet like, you know.  Terrible. Yeah, so now, you know, I think it was all because I used to love training. I had such a laugh and training. So, you know, I used to wake up at four o'clock and couldn't get back to sleep because I was so excited. I think it's just stayed on now, like, you know. I try and leave it as late as possible. Even if I went to bed at one o'clock, I still wake up at like four o'clock, five o'clock. I'm terrible. And it's just stuck with us all the time, like, you know. Was training, football, just going to see the boys and working hard? Was that your ferry page just to take away from your method of thinking? Yeah, definitely. I, you know, some of the stuff you tell everyone what you got up doing the weekends and had a laugh and not. Trevor Stephen was funny. He came on. You remember once, he said, I'm putting something in a boot. And in his boot, he had a suit on a pair of jeans on the top and then a different outfit. I said, why you got all these outfits? He said, just say, well, I'm going to go today. So I've always got something ready. If I'm going to have a dinner. So he was always prepared for him. Yeah, I mean, football nowadays is completely different. I think it's got a lot to do with there. The foreigners coming in. You know, the call of the English Premier ship, it's not the English Premier ship. It's a foreign Premier ship.  They've got two Englishmen in the team, like, you know, which is the same for our young kids coming through. I mean, I think, I think it was a pitch I seen before five years ago. Yeah, but five years ago, it was so funny. I think we might be in Colchester. You've got Vardy and Garrett Bale on the bench for his team like Colchester. So, you know, they did well to make it through. You've got some great young kids, talented, you know, which probably never ever get a chance. Yeah. What was Gadirannicka like playing with at Tottenham? Yeah, he was funny. He's funny, you know, for someone. Cos we signed him and I said to Terry Bynnals, what's he like? He says he's lethal. So I went, OK, no problem. And he hadn't scored for a few games. And I said to Terry Bynnals, I said, he said he was good.  He went giving time. And he scored four goals that game. Not as it was. And he ended up scoring 38 goals.  I had to work out how he played so I could hit him every time in the passes, you know, and that went on to the one played for England as well.  Of he did that with his thumb. He'd say over the top. I knew he was coming short, like, you know. And he worked hard. He worked hard for the team. I'm so pleased he got the yellow card cos he would have went through his career when I got here.  I like it right then. And I knew where Linnock lived. St John's Wood.  Instead of the night, he couldn't park his car up. So he used to leave it outside and get a ticket. He'd get a ticket all the time and it was just one day, Terry Reynolds called us in. He says, you've got to stop that. If I can Linnock, I was going fuming. You'd keep parking your car outside. He's darted, okay, no problem. Yeah, Linnck's. Yeah, it's funny because in training we used to shoot in practice. He never did it, he just used to go in. He wouldn't do any shooting practice. Why's that? I don't know, he just said it. He didn't want to take it away for doing all that for when he played on the sat here. All he ever did was put the ball down to one penalty and then just go in, you know. But yeah, literally it was. I remember when we signed him, I quite fancied him. He didn't grow a hair on his body.  He just laughed. He loves you. It's when you hear Lenny Carr or McCoy star, when, when he's speaking about you, it's like they glow up, they become alive when they mention your name. I did have some laughs with him. You know, sometimes the team was hard and I just thought, well, you know, I don't want to, I just, I love training as well. I mean, I think I trained really hard for the team and even when I played like, you know, but I just loved training. When I was 17, I heard that the ground staff played head tennis at like 8, 7, 30, 8 o'clock on the moon, so I used to get up at 7 o'clock and challenge them. They used to beat me with Wellies on and then I'd play with them for about an hour and a bit and then I'd train and then I'd stay behind until about four or five o'clock and you'd have to know and play in head tennis with the ground staff. I used to love it and then just head back home. I did that every day. Yeah, I just loved it, you know. It was a great feeling being fit, you know, happy being fit and not. I remember when I used to play for the first team I'm in, I used to go and watch a youth team play first at 12 o'clock, kick off, and Colin Ovy was the manager. And there was Evanon on the 19s and I was up in his office and he says, Gaza, what's this kid? And I says, I was, he went 14. I said, what's his name? I said, Wayne Rooney. I said, he's on the 19s. He's only 14. He went, yeah, put him on in a minute. Well, there was 20 minutes ago and I put him on. He scored two goals and it was incredible. So afterwards I went in the dressing room and all the players were sitting there. I went right, guys, well done. I said, I enjoy watching that. I said, anyway, I've got 40 quid. Has anyone gone out tonight for a pint? I'll give you it. And Wayne Rooney put his hand up. He's only 14. I said, he's got potential in him. If he follows me, he's drinking booze. He's got potential, what a player he is. Yeah, he still knows it. Yeah, and he's an unbelievable player, you know. He didn't look out of place. He trained with the first team at 14, 15. He did not look out of place. He says you asked for the £40 back. Yeah, I keep asking for the back. The interest now is a bit of a million quid. Well, yeah, what a player he's went on to be, you know. He was fearless. Super star. Fearless. Some of the goals he scored is just incredible. But you just think you've had that same kind of nature, you and Wayne Rooney, getting strong and just running through people. He ended up manning you and England's leading top goalscorer. This is a phenomenal achievement. Full of confidence. Hope he's as well as a manager. You know, he's young. Just starting out and I think he's started as a good team. Derby. He gets some great experience from that as well.  Some of the goals he scored is just not normal. He's first goal for everything against Arsenal. Yeah, he scored 17. Just another ball on that. Good on him. Yeah, 16. What was it like, Paul, getting your first call up for England? Brilliant. I mean, it was... Well, it was it. Yeah, it was Teddy Benables. And he pulled us in the office. He said, I've got some news for you. And I went, what are you, and you're not making it up. Obviously, you're not making it on the 21s in England's squad.  He went, but he made the full squad. And I went, wow, I let up, you know. I have loads of me through it when I talk about it. And I just remember going there, I was... And then I went downstairs, he must have told all the players. All the players give us an applause and shook me hand in that. And then I was excited. And then I think it was sub for Denmark with Tony Cottie. And we both got around five minutes or something. And then the next game was Albania. And he gave us 20 minutes, and he went and gave us a goal. And I smiled at Bobby Robson. And that's when I scored, you know. The feelings going for your country and the crowd erupted. It was fantastic. I'll just remember some of Bobby's interview afterwards. He says, we need two balls. He actually said in the dressing room, right guys, sit down and listen. We need two balls, one for you and one for him there. And he just pointed at us and I just started laughing.  He told us to get off the most balls. I said, I will do. And then I just felt... I was lucky because you look at the young players when they joined the squad. All the other rest of the players are young as well, like you know. But when I played for England 22 in a bit, I was lucky because I had every player coming in the prime.  Right, Mark Wright, you had Gary Stevens. And you had Chris Ward, John Barnes, Brian Robson, Peter Beatsy, and then it got. I mean, that's some team to join, you know. So I just felt like, well, I'm just going to enjoy this. And I remember the first time I was with Brian Robson. He said, guys, I'll listen. Any of the challenges, leave it for me. He says, I'll do the challenge, you can't tackle. He says, I'm coming in, I'll take the knocks for you. And he says, any of the balls, I'll take the stitches. And for someone like him, he didn't have to say that, you know. And I just felt I know with him. I mean, he's me out of Brian Robson, I love him. What a player.  Yeah, I hated playing against him. I just knew I was up. But I was lucky because he never smashes and tackles. He'd always be all right with this because he could tackle, you know. For someone to come back from three broken legs and still be the player he was incredible and he shot a broken collarbone. Did you have many people try to protect you then, Paul? Then take you on to that one.   But I taught him, in Newcastle, I had David McCree, who was at Manchester United at one time. So he would do all my graft, really, and just when he won the ball, give it to me. Then I taught him I had Paul Allen. And then I had Stuart McCall. So I always had someone solid in midfield with us. I remember the gaffer, his brother, he said, Paul Allen, he says, you do his graft. And when you win it, give it to Gaza and Gaza, go for it. If you lose it, Paul, make sure you're there to pick it up and give him the ball. And all of Paul Allen went, OK, no problem. And when I would say, all he went, I'm a fucky. He says, I'm not doing all the work for you. I just start laughing. I say, that's OK, I'll help you out, man. Yes, I always had someone good and a hard graft on next to me, you know, which gave me the freedom to get playing like, you know. The 1990 World Cup, Paul, were you just getting in that frame of mind that you were going to win it from the get-go? We were fortunate, I mean, when you say fortunate, we went there, the great morale, the team, the squad we had was, everyone was brilliant, you know, even the players on the map got picked to play, they were fantastic. And the good thing I think it was with us is Bobby Robson didn't ever watch anything that was going on back home, wouldn't ever read newspapers, just solely concentrated on the football, you know. Apart from when the waves come over the same thing, on which I wasn't too happy about because we obviously ended up getting beat in the semis, but our team spirit was fantastic.  I remember once, when we were playing Germany, when the team sheet up, and then the guy put the team sheet over and put the wall, right, Germany, the wall, and put the sheet back down, and so we're sitting there, while we were sitting by Robson, come in. It's his very guy's Germany, can you remember the wall? Or we'd just start lapping our heads up with what he's laughing at, and then the guy went and lifted it up, and he just shook his head, you know. But for me, it was like, when he used to do the team, when we used to say it right, then say it for instance, right, we're playing Belgium. One of you watched Belgium against this other team for half an hour, see how they play.  So a Belgium player passed it to another player on the TV watching, and I went, mm. Mm, and when I broke down, I went, mm.  He went, yeah, you'll be giving it, mm, mm, mm, no, but when you get beat, you'll be going, boo-hoo-hoo, if I get it, you'll just cry out. I just never took notice. I wasn't bothered about the player I was playing against. I just knew my own ability, you know, that I could do the business when I got out there, you know. I loved the World Cup, I told this about, you know, when I was at Reggie Boys' Club, when I was young at seven, I took it, the World Cup was if I was back at the Boys' Club, and I was playing table tennis, I was doing daff things, I was playing tennis, I was on pedal boards, a slide yard cocktail was the best.  And I said, Bobby Robson, and he went, what you got there? So I panicked, and I went, oh, I've got milkshake after.  So he had a taste, he went, ooh. So he said to the guy, can I have one of them?  So the guy, looking up at the guy, cotton done, and he gave Bobby Robson, it's just a normal circuit, so he drank his a little bit with the straw, and he went, nah, nah, cos it's a tear source, and he's a tear source of mine. I thought he's got me, he's going to send us back home.  And the guy said, what do you mean? He says, where's my umbrella and the cherry and the sword? Oh, I get it, I thought, brilliant. He shot off, and I put another eight, and just fell asleep on the beach. Were you not playing tennis before the night, before the semi-finals as well? The semi-finals, I'll just ruin my Chris, and when I said to Chris, I kind of sleep. I said, God, it was like half past 10 at night, so I went for a walk, and I heard somebody playing tennis, and I was two Americans, and I just went in the court, I said, can I have challenges? And when I was your partner, I said, nah, take the twoies on, and I was playing about 20 minutes, I was sweating my nuts, I was trying to beat them, and I just said, Gaza!  And he covered the tennis court, he walked past me, so I dropped the racket and ran and he fucked in my room, and I could hear him shouting to the Americans, do you not know who he is? He's got the most important game in his lifetime, and you're playing back in tennis with him. So I ran in the room and I went to Chris. If anyone knocks on the door, just tell him I'm sleeping, I'm tired. He went, yeah, no problem, Gaza.  Just thought he was going to get broken in, man. Smash, and Chris went, oh, is it? He went to Gaffer, where is he?  And I went, go to sleep, and then I let that just come through the door underneath, and I was, I've had a look at it and he said, I'll see you in the morning. So the next day, I was like hiding from him, because I didn't want to know if I'm going to play, I'll drop it, he's going to drop it, and I was hiding, and then he just came round in the corner, and I was a man, I was about 11 taps on the shoulder, and I went, forget about last night, I've already called you after the brush, last night it wasn't normal. He says, but neither are you, he says, today you're playing against the best player in the world, Luther Matthias, and I looked at the gaffer and I went, I'm sorry, gaffer, I bought Hayes, and I walked off, and he went, come back, and I just kept walking, and I looked behind, he had his head to the ground, just shaking his head like that, saying, God, what am I going to do with him? Well, that was one of my best games for England, I know I got booted in that. The tears were more because I had such a great time, six weeks, you know, just playing training and playing football away from the media, you know, just knowing the next morning I was training, and the game coming up, our fans were fantastic, and it was more like, I thought, I honestly thought that McCree had come to my end then, you know, I felt like I didn't want to play anymore, I felt devastated at the yellow card, obviously missing the final, but the last 20 minutes I gave me all night, you know, for the players, so sad in the dressing room afterwards, seeing the players and that, but then Bobby Robson picked us all up.  Yeah, but yeah, he was coming back and it was a great feeling, I was a bit of a shock for me coming back to realise that, you know, because, like I said, during that World Cup, we never got to see anything, we didn't know what was going on home, we weren't allowed to call the families after a game, we weren't allowed, but I used to take my mobile into the shower and ring my dad, what do you think? Well, play it on, keep it up, right here as I've got to go. But we did not have a clue what was going on. I think some of the other lads had played in other World Cups, had a rough idea, but I didn't. Do you think that helped you, because English made a quite riffles towards the English team and the English players? Yeah, without a shot of a doubt. I mean, now and again, I remember walking to the beach and that's when the waves come all that, and I was walking with Bobby Robson and the waves were ahead of him and that, and he says, you're doing well, son, you enjoying the World Cup, yeah?  He always pulls at me and he said, Gaza, come here, can you believe this? Can you believe this? I was walking with you, they said, I'm looking at the girls' backsides, that's not me, is it? I just shook my head and laughed. And then it was another bit, I was at Tony DiRigo and his wife was lovely and I remember talking to a man, the press took a photo and they put it in the front page of the papers, Gaza's new blonde.  And it said Gaza's new blonde and we ripped a piss out of him.  Looking back in the semi-final poll, the wish you would have took apparently? Yeah, my mind was just all over the place, you know. I just couldn't think, and I was already down there, got booked and I was going to miss the final. I was coming in and out for the lads, you know, to take the penalties, but I was just, I just couldn't believe it. Even the referees said, if you knew I had been booked in the first gate, already had a yellow card, he wouldn't have booked it, but I still feel I didn't touch the guy with that challenge, you know, and I looked back and it was hard to take it. It's hard to watch some of the games. Well, not the games at the semi-final, they're getting booked and not. But yeah, sometimes I wish I had a took a penalty now when he looked at it. Do you think he's won the World Cup if he's got through? Well, unlucky because two minutes ago, Chris Waddle hit the post as well, like, you know, but I always say it, I say it on stage, Chris laughs.  That was that terrible pain at that one. And he went for it. I thought he would have placed it, like Stuart Pierce. I thought he might have placed it, but he just went for it. Both of them went for power, you know. Nerves though, backstage. What a player shot. I just felt it was shilding. I think when I looked back at it, I mean, we had Dave Besson six foot six. I think with two minutes ago, we should have put him in gold for the penalties because when you're up against someone as big as that, you know, I would have, I think you might have got one because I felt like I think some of the players did as well when the penalty was taken, so it's waited a little bit and then went for it until it's taken a gamble, you know. But yeah, I was gutted because we're so close.  How was it, Paul? Because that was you made it. You were already getting a lot of press, but you made it into Super Stardom because you won BBC Personal of the Year as well. And everybody in the world then knew who Gaza was. Yeah, I went, how did that affect you, Paul? Come back and I was like, it was okay. I mean, coming back and then I've seen all the fans and that. And then I was like, I'd be on TV, just talking. I'd say, oh, I think I may just take guitar lessons. And I wake up in the morning, there'd be two guitars that would take me to front door. Or like, I was given before the best protest man in the country. And there was like Dickey post ties and Soto would take me down. I was given clothes and, you know, I was on TV programmes and I remember the press saying, he's doing too much. He's not concentrating on his football. And I went out that sat, that was on the Friday. I went out and scored a hat-trick past Peter Shilton on the Saturday. But sometimes it was okay. Sometimes it was scary. I just felt like I couldn't go anywhere. I felt trapped in doors. And I mean, the public were fantastic. The warders were just wherever I went, you know? And then obviously then the press started. And that's when I found it really hard because the amount of lies, the amount of lies that I had on us was just horrific.  And I felt like I had to defend myself all the time. So, with football wise, that was me outcome. I knew on the Saturday for 90 minutes I was free on that pitch. And, you know, I even used to be hanging around outside the training grounds and stuff like that. So I knew for 90 minutes I'd be free. And that's when I used to really enjoy it, you know? And then obviously after the 90 minutes I left the dressing, the football ground and they were onto us, you know? So the followers everywhere. It was really, sometimes I've been in London and I'd see a couple of cars and a motorbike behind us and I'd have to ring up the police, pull over, police come up, block them in and make me drive off. And then obviously it was the phone hacking. But yeah, but I reckon I could have handled a bit better than I did because sometimes I did go over the top and drink too much. But I always performed on the Saturday, like, you know?  No, not really. I think I'll drink on a Sunday maybe on a Monday, I'll choose it just on the local pub. But like on a Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I never, you know, I always thought of the football first and I never want to let the lads down. It was just mainly when I left football, when I quit football. Is that one of the reasons why you wanted to go abroad is because to try and get away from the media? Yeah, I thought if I go really, he'll be right. I'll get away from everything, God almighty. I mean, 10,000 people at the airport, that was scary.   And then Johnny Ziggie Rear and Augusto picked us up in the car. I was a bulletproof.  And he says, yeah, the big fuck, I thought, the sun. And I said, well, I wonder what they like in that. And then we got out of the car and the two of them spoke perfect English.  So the first night, I went in the room, I had these two bodyguards and they connected the room and everything. And dad was in his room and I'm in my room. I said, dad, I'm just coming along to see you. And I opened the door and there's a guy who took me down with a gun and chest.    And I heard me dad open the door and I heard him slam it straight away.  So I went, okay then. So when she met up and we had a couple of drinks down at the bottom, I had 22 bodyguards that were sitting in trees and everything. And at night time, I had this habit when I used to go to the toilet and I used to touch the door couple of times, door handle. I went to the toilet in the dark, it was two o'clock. And I touched the door handle, next thing though, I've got someone with the hand room in my neck with a gun to me dad. I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, put the lighter on its gaza. And it was a good story.  And then it was the next day. And I said, it's right. Don't wear suits, just wear casual gear. I don't want to bring all the attention and that. So there's just more casual stuff in that and just become really good friends with them. I learned me Italian from them. You know, and I started to enjoy it. It took us three to six months to get used to the train. The train was rock hard. Wow, it was solid. But then I started to get fit and started to enjoy me football until I was a broke me fibia and tibia, which was the river nightmare, especially if I'd just come back for the ligments and I mean the cap. But I got through that and I just thought to myself, well, how long am I going to be out? And it said about nine months to be here. So I just waited till I could start training on it and just went mad training really, you know, doing so hard. How hard was it, Paul? I know you said playing football was your freedom, your getaway. You felt it was if the shackles were off. How hard was that then when you were 91 from the sidelines? How did you do with that? Nightmare, it was a nightmare. I mean, I couldn't do anything but three months. So I used to just like sit on the set day. I was not the best of somebody then. So I just really just sit on the set day and just have a few drinks more than I should have done really, just to drink this pass of days ahead. And then when he gave us a, and then we had a coach called Zemin. So in England after a year of getting fit, you start playing. In Italy, it took me nine, 10 months to get fit to start playing again. And he made his training for six months before playing. And that was like hard work. I had to train in that. And eventually I had enough. And I just said, look, I want to start playing. So I started playing. And I think once I got the first tackle out of the way, then I felt okay, you know. I started to join me football. So I was going goals against Milan. I scored some great goals. I know it was tough over for you as well because I think it was your PR, your manager was falling about for two years while doing that. She was writing about football. Yeah, she was not a chair, terrible. She was like, could she be Italian? And they hired her to work for us and not knowing that she was writing everything down, you know. And she was getting on my nerves and that. And I said, I don't need you to work for us anymore. And obviously then she'd come out with a book. Did you struggle with trust issues then? Paul was basically one thing after another.  And then obviously even before we were getting asked for the news of the world. And I remember telling my family, I only spoke to my family, but it was kept on coming out in the papers. And then she didn't speak to the family for three months.  I'm only speaking to you. And then I went off the rails a little bit. And then when I found out I was getting hacked, that was a big relief. And then I started speaking to the family and apologised to them. And then it was 12 years from the Sunday Mirror. And now I've just been in the case at the moment, the son had been hapless for 12 years. But the trust went, yeah, you know, when you get, because I'm, I think I'm a trustworthy person, person myself, I've been a generous guy. I think everyone's the same, you know, which is not the case. But yeah, the trust thing is a big thing with me. Yeah, it must be difficult because the media kill people. Do you know what I mean? What they do in special, if you're getting a phone hack, breaking up with your family, your family's all you've got. That's the only people you can probably spoke to to kind of balance out the demons. But if you become constantly paranoid and they're pushing you to the edge, that could be a big part of why you wanted to drink as well, because you thought you never had anyone. Really, the sleeping got terrible. Couldn't hardly sleep. I just thought the drink would help to sleep. And obviously that progressed and got worse. And then obviously time and treatment centre for 21 days, which was okay. I remember Brian Robson when I first went on. I was supposed to be in 20 days and I went after three weeks and I said, Robbo, get me out of that, Gaffer. Honestly, I'll be alright. I don't want to drink again. Swear, get me out of that. She said, I'll come and see you then. And Brian Robson went to see the couch and I thought he'd come back out.  And I just started laughing. But then I got back playing with Middlesbrad and got promotion and things started looking up again. And then I got the phone hacking and I was just off and on. I didn't want to drink, but then I was here becoming an alcoholic and I admit it, I haven't been the best. I mean, I know how to keep... I know how to stay sober. I know how to drink. I did have spells of five years and four years. Last year I wasn't brilliant. Just hopefully this year I'll be a lot better. Yeah, this year's a new year. It's only we can only go from today and move on for the future. I've all got a passport.  Nobody's life is perfect. People can always say things and there's always one about side noise, but nobody, everybody's got demons.  Yeah, I mean, I never bother as I just knew. I mean, some of the things I used to do on a pitch, I did not, I did them. And it was only till left at once. I'd watch myself and I'm thinking, I wonder how I did that?  I look at midfield players today and I learn on my crab footballers. All I do is just go sideways all the time. I mean, nowadays, if you watch football, I think the goalkeeper has more touches than anybody else on the field now. You never see a midfield player have a look up and turn and get it to me, you know? So it's like passing and it's a lot of that just passing now. I never see anyone. I mean, tuna greedy looks all right. He's doing well. I like the guy plays for less. I'm at field, can't remember his name now. I just watched him last night as well. He's Madison. He's a good player. Tottenham, he's having a bit of trouble with Josie. Mewn a Del Alley, whatever his name is. He seems a decent player. The retina's a bit cocky, but there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I just, when I played in that, some of the stuff I used to just do, I just did it off the cuff, you know? I just, I used to look before the ball come, I used to have a look around the pitch and know exactly where every player was. I knew whether I hit them first time or I take a touch and then go for it. So, yeah, so, you know, that would only be like after. I'd watch and I'd think, how did I do that and had luck? Like sometimes I'd like, be a proliferist, I'd say like something's made me ex me. Jimmy had to say, how'd you think I did? He said, look on the table. I didn't realise I'd leave three man of match awards. I went, I must have done all right. You know, and I remember Wallace Smith was the best because he always had the control of his players.   And I panicked going in that thing, man, in that machine and had the second head scam. And then three days later, I waited for the results and he said, I want to work with you.  His throat was as strong as when he had bastard. I said, what's the matter?  I went, what do you mean?  He says, now I've just got to let you do what you want. And I laughed, I went, that's okay. He says, I'll just do it on the pitch. And so I got to cut you and had a few drinks and next day you throttled us again.  Yeah, he's, yeah, tough but fair with it, you know. How was that, Paul, coming from Latswam? You know it was coming to an end because I know Chelsea, Aston Villa, and I think the Latswam manager says Rangers is wanting. You're not normal going to Rangers there in the first division. You thought it was Queen's Park Rangers? It was Queen's Park Rangers. So I hadn't gone there. And then when he said, what glad, I was walking out of the door you went Glasgow Rangers and I turned around. I just went and get him on the phone. Get him over, I said. He said, what, I remember what I was coming over. And he says, let me tell you about Glasgow Rangers.  And we're both about to be here. And I said, I'm signing. And he put Dave Murray on. He says, you love it. You have the fans that love you. And I mean, I was, you know, when I played for Newcastle, you always got the leases there in the Gallagate. They would sing Rangers. They would shout Celtic. And now you serve a taxi driver. And he always tells you you should always go for the Dorbys. And it was only until I went up there and played him one. You know, I played in 11. I'm beating 11. I think it scored three or four. It was fantastic. And when I arrived at the airport and arrived at the stadium, I went up to the chairman's office at the ground with Walter and shook his hand on that. And he says, have you seen outside? I went, no, and I looked at the window and I was seeing all the crowd and I went, wow. So it was a great feeling. What was your decision to join Rangers? I think just because, you know, when you look at, when you played for your country, and then when you play for your country, you know, you put the players in my teams, they were, well, I play for England, everyone seemed to be Rangers, like Terry Butcher, Chris Woods, you know, Ray Wilkins, all at Rangers. So I used to, in the World Cup, I used to give Terry Butcher a stick. Facking, now you're playing in Scotland, Rangers has shite.  So I give it a go. And he was right, like, you know. You seemed to play your best football up at Rangers. Yeah, I loved it.  I remember the press, you know. I wasn't going to do well up there. I just won everything, you know. I won medals with the players, I won players with the other ones. The lot, you know. And I was just really enjoying my football. I loved it. You know, sometimes they had the old half a logger or the gaffer on a Wednesday and that would be it. I remember once, I was on a Friday night, I was at Cameron's house. And I thought, ah, it's seven o'clock at night, I was on a Friday and I thought I'll have a late Shandy.   So I left it, went to me room and I went in the dress, went in the ground and I sat there and it was like 10 past two. So you got your kit on ready for the game. And he went, come on, I want to wear it with you.  So I'm like, that's okay. So when he's at the office with him, I was at your home last night. Obviously that's just a Shandy gaffer, nothing else. He went, what was it?  So I just giggled.    You know my age shirt and that. And the players are like, what's happening?  So I put my suit on and the other lads were giggling a bit.  So I'm walking out the pitch.  And guys are way going. I don't feel well today, guys. Got to go home, I've got a stomach bug.  And then I had to sit in doors for three days and he says, right, you're allowed to come back to the club. I says, okay.  I went, okay, I'm sorry, gawa. Then he says, give me. So funny he went, I didn't know he went, get me a brace on Saturday. So I went, okay then.  I didn't realise the brace was too good. So I managed to score two. I managed to score three, in fact. I was getting some other one, I scored a heart trick. So that was okay. Yeah, but I had such great times up there, you know? Cos I love fishing. I love the hunting side of it. And, you know, we was given enough time to do all that. Did you know how big the rivalry was between Celtic Rangers especially when you played the flip?  When you got the death threats? Four.  He just said, you know, if you score, do the sash, you know what's a sash? He says that and he showed us. He says the fans that love it.  And I was just scoring against Toe Booker Est. And I did it.   Give the papers to my mam as well. So I've got up and I went to the fucking, I went to the papers, you know, the side bit where he's selling papers.    And then when I got that letter through, and I read it, and Walter read it, he says, you think he's going to kill you?  And I said, get the police and then the police come. And I said, has he seen this letter, is he serious? I mean, the guy left his name, number, mobile, house address and a lot.  So when I went and seen him, I waited two days, I stayed indoors.  And then the police come and I said, did you see him? I said, yeah.  They went, yeah.  They went, nothing. I said, until he comes to our country, I said, we're not going to hang around the airport.   And then obviously I got a letter back from him. He says, okay, you've not done it for a while, I'll let you go now.   But he's giving you something to check on to your car for bombs. Yeah, the police come, I said, I'll see you at six o'clock. And I said, what's that? He says, check on your car for bombs. I said, what, if the car starts up, he says, yeah.  And he says, be careful with your meal if you open it, it could explode in your face.  So I used to get me made Jimmy. So Jimmy, go on and take his drivers into work. I'll just have a cigarette at the moment.  And I'd be like 300 yards away. I'd be like 300 yards away. Gaza, what are you doing?  Did you break into McCoy's to Tows? Yeah, I knew he kept his kitchen window open. And I used to have a couple of paints at the grave. The car used to go home at about 11.30. And I'd just stay at the window once. But I knew my house was 1.8 miles from his. So I thought he'd just walk home and sit up for the taxi. And I was walking and I thought, fuck, I'm starving. So I knew he kept his back kitchen window open a little bit. So I got in and lifted the window up. And I went inside and I started just making myself a ham sandwich.   He says, I've seen you in the morning. I went, cheers, guys, you've seen the morning. I came back when they walked over the savage. That was hilarious, that.  He didn't whack us with that stick. Yeah, club because he said he heard somebody downstairs and that and I was just making me savage. I thought it was a weird house. And you burst into the dressing room, but you had two fish. I think you and McCoy's were injured. Yeah, it was me and McCoy's were injured and I'd been fishing. I caught a couple of trout. I said, Christ, I've got these trout. I'm sticking in Godinjews. Someone's car, he went, I've got Godinjews keys. And I was there. We were all given sponsored cars late. They had money to give everyone a car with a tent in ground or something. And so I put one in the boot and Christ, he went, he's going to notice that. I went, I know that, that's all right. I went inside his car and just squeezed it under the seat. Right under the seat so he'd never find it. And then he, Godinjews, he must have smelled the trout in the boot and he'd come in the dressing room with the trout. He went, I think you'll never catch me out. I went, yeah, you got me there mate.   And I went, no, there isn't. And then I eventually seen it. I had to get it out.  And he tried to sell it, he couldn't sell the car.  So that trout cost 17 grand or something. So I was regretted about it. Yeah, I had some laughs with it. Why do you think you played so well at Rangers? Cos I know Geraint, I've met him a few times in Coist there. Do you think it's because they're kind of the same nature as yourself that kind of up for a laugh and up for a noise up? I mean, I thought I was quite funny in dressing. With Geraint, Ian Coisty, I was up against it, you know. I remember I would get my teeth done. And I had temporary ones in first. And they were like, it hit me but my lip.  I don't think you need an apple through a litter box.  And then I'd be playing on the saturday.  But yeah, I just think the morale in there, you know, I was fortunate because I joined Rangers when I was 18 in the nationals, you know. That's incredible, loud job, Coisty, all of me, you know. Just felt sorry for Geraint because I played against him for England on the 21s against Scotland.  What a player he was. Yeah, a world class. I thought, wow, I can't believe a player. Yeah, it's a shame that bad tackle. But he, you know, for him, someone like that morale in the dressing room was brilliant, you know. How was it going to Euro 96 with playing for a Scottish team? I got hammered for a few months of the players and we're going to stick it right up the English bastard. And I just went to them, I said, look, you guys, I'm playing about again, seven years. I know how you just play. You know how I play, but you don't know how well I like when I play for my country.  And I gave him a quick look, a quick glance when I scored it. And then I turned away and he was fucking, he wasn't happy. And I enjoyed the celebration. And it was quick, it was all right, you know. I was like, I went on holiday and I wasn't thinking about it. And then about five days ago, at the end of the holiday, I went, oh fuck, I've got to go back to Scotland, yeah. And I started panning a little bit, but there the lads were brilliant in the dressing room. I used to do, I used to go to like, I used to get a bowl in the dressing room and get a mop. And pretend it was Colin Henry. And I used to flick it over the mop and then volleyed past Andy Gorrell and then do the celebration. He wasn't happy. But yeah, the guys were brilliant, you know. The team spirit was there. I've never witnessed anything like it. How was what with Smith as our manager? Brilliant.    So it worked on both favours, you know. They now give you a bollock in the new winner too, you know. You've played in a few of Darby's, Paul. You've played in the Roma Darby a few London Darby's. What's that compared to the old-farm Darby? Old-firm is like more hatred more than anything else, but I'm to see what it means to them. You know, I think it was different. In Roma and Latio, they just say Roma won the league and the cup, done the double, but Latio beat them that season in one game. It felt like Latio won the league. Where this one, you know, the playing for the titles, you know. This man who wrote to get a match of 9-0 was great and get that hat trick with special. But yeah, it's more of a hatred, and it's not nice for me because I'm from Newcastle, but seeing some of the players, what it means to them in the dressing room, wow, mighty. I've never seen anything like it. I mean, John Brown, he was funny. You know, he was freaking... You had to be the ground for, like, see a cup, a swan or something. He'd be there 12 o'clock with a brown bag lying on his back.  I'd go, wow. And I'd smile at them. But, you know, before the start of it, you're not too bothered about it.   Did what was Matthews to give you the wins, the off, and have the Tuesdays went out on the pass? Well, coming maybe sometimes in the afternoon, just have a light half an hour, but he knew on a Monday we wouldn't train hard because he knew some of the lads would be on the pitch and that. So he wouldn't train as hard and just put them on Tuesday, he'd run the bollocks off of it. Then he'd give us a win and stuff. But Tuesday something, training was pretty rock hard, like, you know. What was the game you were drinking? Whiskey at half-time and you came out and scored two? Good thing on, against hearts. Were you nervous? No. I was just fucking... I was just sitting there, and I had the first half, I wasn't the best, and I had that row with Causty.    I went, no. I went, I'm going to get one. I went, oh, okay. So I went in the boardroom, had a treble, and I went, okay, another one. So I whacked that in. And he went, he had a drink now, and I went, yeah.  I went, okay, and I went and scored two in 20 minutes.  I went, all right then. So I went home, and I was about 10 o'clock at night, and I found out where the players were, in the way, the managers in the waves. So I turned up the Indian restaurant, took me clothes off and danced on the table, bollock-nated. How was your day? Yeah, it was a day. So it was a bit of a laugh. But yeah, I had some laughs and, you know, but I was enjoying my football again. I, he's, what I said, it was, no, same for Glasgow Reansers. He says, well, have you, great team spirit, if you want to be able to large, I'll never be away. He says, and you'll enjoy your football again. But people think it was hard, easy playing for Reansers, was it fuck? I mean, if I play for Kilmarnick and I'm playing against Reansers, I want to, I want to sign for Reansers. So I'll be working my nuts off to play well against Reansers, so the gaff I'll pick me to sign for Reansers. Who was the best player on the team at that time? How was Brian Loudrop? He was classy, how we surpassed each other, and now he's just way, way, you know, he was, if you wanted a few minutes break, just give him the ball, which was class, costy.   He says, you know, if I went for the top corner, I would never hear it. So I said, aim for the keeper. And he said, go on the top corner.  You know, Andy Gorham didn't make mistakes for him, yes. I mean, at the time I was there, I was just unfortunate. He had Stuart McCall could just run for fun.   And if you don't win four-nil today, I'm running you on a Sunday, and he would. So you know, you're in the pressure, and you say, right, that's two, and I'm one of the two golds, otherwise I'm telling you, you'd be training hard all week, so it'd be like fucking, and that's what it was like to play by then. The Aberdeen game, you got a hard trick, you scored two world-class goals, if I'm honest, and I know you were going, you scored two, but then you got a penalty in the last minute, and McCoy takes the penalties. Yeah. Why did they give you the penalty? Waze. I'll come the penalty, and I got the ball, and McCoy, she went, I'll take the penalties, cos I...  He says, yeah, but I'll take the penalties. I was fucking, let's take it, man. And he went, listen, I could be leaving at the end of the season. He says, this could be my last goal for Rangers.  Anyway, go on, then. And so, luckily enough, I changed my mind, cos I always go to the other side, and I actually put it that side, you know? Cos I remember when I took a penalty against Celtic, and I missed it, and I did that same penalty, and you know, keep it saved it, and I never go that side. I don't know the last minute, I just changed my mind, which I shouldn't have done, but it went in, looked fortunate enough. And then, you know, I've never won a championship before, so that was my first championship. And in the dressing room, I can witness anything like it. It was incredible. It was incredible, you know? The players, you know, celebrating and stuff like that, and then you had a few tears, and I didn't realise that a few of the players had tears in their eyes, and obviously, you went on why, and then I heard a lot of them were just going to know that the next season was going to be that last season together, really, cos he was coming to the end of his time, coffee was, Stuart McCall was, and a lot of the players had all been together for so many years, were going to be partin, you know, from a Magnificent Football Club. But yeah, it was a great celebration, so I loved it. Why did you leave it and just pull? I just heard Walter was leaving. Walter Smith, he's just pulled us. He said, I want word of the ten games left. He says, I'm getting sat at the end of the season, and he shows that bringing the man to the card for card is a bit awkward, and the sort of person you are, you might not get on with them, and you'd be stuck with them, you might not play it. Brian Robson, who was my idol, wants to sign me for a minute round, go for promotion, and they're in the every cup thing and that. He says, why can't you go? And so I spoke to Dave Murray, he said, we're going to get the same money we've paid for you. So I thought, okay, then I'll go, then I didn't see anything of the lads. And I was on the way, half way there, I stopped, started crying my eyes out. And Dave Murray rang and he says, look here, just turn the car around, come back to the club. And I already spoke to Brian Robson, and I sat there for an hour, thinking on the motorway, and I thought I'll just go ahead with it, and I just carried on, went to Middlesbrough. And obviously it was funny, because in the cup final, I can hear like one Paul Gaskellite, and I'm thinking, how's that? And I looked at the stage, 10 of the Rangers players at the game, seeing one Paul Gaskellite, it was funny. But then I was sure we had to see them, you know?   Do you love it? Is that a regret that you should have said? Yeah, massive, yeah. You would regret, yeah. The Rangers fans still love you, my uncle JoJo, and my young cousins, Dean and David, love you to bits, that I've actually got a Rangers talk about. My young cousin, Dean's, want to say to them.   Nightmare. I mean, it was one of them I did, and I'm supposed to talk for an hour. The fans sang for 55 minutes. I had to get the mention, lads, I was supposed to talk, you know? Fuckin' that was it.  And then sometimes I get someone to go on the stage just before me, and I was the next Evanton captain, Johnny Young, come on me's name, and he says I'm going on first in 15 minutes in Newcastle.   But yeah, the atmosphere, when I do venues up there, you know, I'm in for a good night and but, this thing, it's just amazing considering that I was there for two years.  Was it difficult when I've been settled to a team for more than two or three years? No, not really, it's just unfortunate, like, with self-players, like Newcastle, I was enjoying with self-players. Then I was talking to him and it was only when Terry Burnham was saying, look, I'll let you come in, it's the opportunity, he says, when I was a manager in England, and I had the opportunity to be bossing on a manager, he says, I've thrived on it. He says, I want you to stay, yeah, but, he says opportunity, go and play abroad, learn, play football abroad, you know. And I thought, well, I'm getting hammered a lot in England because of the World Cup thing, and the press wouldn't leave us alone. I thought, well, I'll give a break and go out there and play in the sun and that. It was just the same, we weren't at least wherever, I went out, you know. But then, you know, after four years and that and the new man's, I didn't like him. And I thought, well, I'm going to go again. I didn't want to go to Chelsea because of Hodl.  And then it was like us and Bill, I didn't really want to go there, but, you know, the opportunity range, I didn't even flinch, I just said, yes, within seconds, you know. And, you know, I wouldn't change the father of the world. I know the 98, you get dropped when that absolutely broke you. Yeah, it's terrible, really.  I know for a fact I went out that night with Chris Evans. I went back to Chris Evans and there's someone took a photo of the mobile phone at 11 o'clock. I know six of the England players were in sorts at six o'clock in the morning. Not one of them hit the papers. And that night, when they talk about in the hotel, when he let me have a couple of beers and that, I went to bed with David Seaman and Paul Inge at 11 o'clock and the players were up till five o'clock in the morning getting pissed. You know, none of that was said. And it was a man, Walter Smith and Terry Venable, it was always said to me, it was always a man when they said, be careful with him, because you want to make a name for yourself. And when he dropped it, you know. And even the players in the books, when they were in the books saying it was disgusting, I got dropped and had a chance of winning if I had played in it. So it took us a year to get over that. I was distraught, it was absolutely devastated, you know. So, you know, I remember someone said, you know, when the World Cup 1990, make the most of it, because it could be your only one. And they were right. Now, the 94, I missed that, because I broke me on in the game. And then the 98 won. And then obviously, just quickly, you know. How was it then? It was commonly injected, you went and said, did you go to Everton as well? I went there and started enjoying my football. I was getting man of matches at 35. And then I knew I was coming to the end of my career and that. And then obviously I started drinking badly. And then Walter said, I went to treatment and come back and started to finish it off and playing really well in scone goals and enjoying my football again, like you know. And then obviously David Moyer's coming, Walter says he was leaving, so I left. I went to Burnley, which was a bad move. The joke went anywhere, Walter went. Do you think, if he came in for you, then it was at any team? Yeah, yeah. Cos I remember years ago, when I was on holiday with my ex-wife, and I see him on the beach. And I said to my ex-wife, I said, see him over there. I said, that's the man that's arranged with him. I said, I'd love to play for him. It's supposed to be brilliant. And then four years later, I got taught to him a few drinks, and then I went to him and played him. But it was his son, Neil. He said, Dad, look at who I am going for, because I have anyone signed for the Rangers. And obviously I did, you know. I said, you know, if I think of any teams I'd love to play, go back and play for, Rangers would be the one. Who was that in China? Horrific.  I was in the most polluted place in the world. It was horrific.  It was horrific. I mean, there never appeared as there was ever three months. I scored on my debut, but then I started getting paranoid and thought I was going to be stuck there because it was just one street I lived in. It was 100 yards long, and there was no one about it. There was no shops. I mean, the barbers was a hut outside in the middle of the road. The dentist was the best. It was a chair with a guy with a pliers and a truth. I told him, well, put your teeth out and give me that.  So my dad came over and gave me, I sent him back home. I said, you can't stay here. I said, go back and then I was doing the challenge for a documentary. And I didn't look well.  And I went, OK, and I didn't see anything. And then the next thing I just got on the quickest flight and just was there three months and then come back, like, you know. How was it, Paul, coming at the end of your career and you know that you had to retire? Horrific. I remember Kenny Dagley saying of his, you know, Paul, when you know you're going to quit, when you know you're going to quit football, like three years before we start planning what you're going to do when you quit. And I went, yeah, yeah. So I'm thinking like, oh, it's OK. It's only three years. I'll wait. And then after a year, then it's two years left. And I think, oh, I've still got two years.   You went from like, you know, every time you went to bed at night time, you knew you were doing something in the morning. Well, when you quit, you think what am I going to do now, like, you know. And I didn't really want to go to management. I did try it. Kettering manager. It's funny. The chairman says, Paul, get well to the third division.  But he wasn't paying the players and I said, meet Alice first and I spoke to Walter, I said, just get out of there. Walter and I, he said, now for you there. Was that a big void then, Paul, from knowing what to play in football to then? Is that when you started replacing it with drink? Yeah. Started to drink party. And it was more like the spirits really. I was always drinking beer on that. And then the spirits were the worst things. And then, you know, like I'll go for treatment. And then I do worry for the four years and that. And then I get bored. And then be like a couple of weeks binge and then I'll just go. But, you know, I probably went to rehab really badly for drink twice. I've never been for drugs. But I went for Red Bull. I went for Calpol. Fucking, that was funny, Calpol in America. Sitting there. What you in for heroin? What you in for cocaine?  That is a gas gun. What you in for Calpol?  Yeah, what's Calpol if he's babies? Cos I realised Calpol has a 0.0.1% volume. So I used to buy with 15 bottles and down him. So it'd be enough for a pint. And I went to a chemo shop in Newcastle. And I went into the shop. And I went to one of the company bottles of Calpol. So I guess I get out. I went, don't tell anyone. And I said, I've got three wives and nine kids. I've got to feed the kids.  I was bought from Epi Kebys to Newcastle. So yeah, I went for Calpol. I went for Red Bull.  And I just thought, you know, just got to just get well again. So I just started training. And then started playing golf when I come down here. Picked up golf, which is passing in. I got some good counselors. Katie and Martin, the kids are helpful. You know, I sometimes go around there. I've had that for a few days and just watched Netflix. Don't get fed like. Yeah, that's tight. The only cry from one eye. Katie's that tight. The only cry from what I honestly. How was it, Paul, going to rehab for the first time? Is that when you admitted for the first time that you had a problem? I didn't really admit it the first time. Yeah, I didn't want to admit it, you know? I was only there for 21 hours. I'll say the 28. Eric Clapton come and seen us.   So I answered the 50 questions.  So eventually, once I said I was an alcoholic, I still go to meetings. I like meetings. I haven't been for a while. But, you know, I just try my best and, you know, sometimes I need to go to meetings. But sometimes the counselors, I play golf with them. I'll go play snooker with them. And when I'm playing golf, I have a chat with them. House, things going on. The other person might knock on the door. Did you pass away, Paul? And one of the rehabs, did you heart stop or something? Yeah, in America, I took a couple of seizures and took them to the hospital and the shakes were that bad. It put me in coma. It's like a coma thing, induced coma for about 18 days. And then I woke up and said, inject me hot and don't just keep us alive. And that scared us. I did all right, I stayed sober for five years. But I remember going back to the treatment centre and I'm bringing home. I said, I'm ready to come home now.  And I went, have I been in a coma? They went, yeah, I would say later, I've seen him for five weeks and put the phone down. But I enjoy rehab, you know? When you're amongst other people and the same thing. But then sometimes it can be tough because of this choice whether you've got to get everything out and sometimes you don't want to. But I managed to do that, you know? I did a book about it, one book at the end and another book with that one book at the end. So, you know, sometimes something's good to come out of it. But I know when I'm doing wrong and it's not brilliant. I really get it if I listen. Listen, Paul, we all do wrong in life.  That shows you how much I've eaten. I think it's not the drink.  And sometimes my consequences are horrific. Yeah, so. How difficult was Paul to, when you see yourself in the front page and back page? It doesn't bother us now. You used to it? Yeah, you get so much used to it.  The pressure is to put bottles of gin outside your house and then you use to pick up and walk to the bin and they took fours. Yeah, I used to do that, yeah.  So, like, I just changed my number for a couple of months and I'd give it to anybody to speak to the family or whatever. And then, you know, I used to fucking. So I got sick of saying, no, it's not chewing. It's not chewing. It's not chewing. And the worst one, I lose work through it. The moment I work, I'm sorry, you know, you know, mate, I'm not doing this. You know, there was one time I was getting a job for 15 grand. And then I'm sitting in Bournemouth in the apartment and I'm waiting for the guy picking us up at, like, say, four o'clock. And it happens four and I'll say, where are you? He says, oh, you're in the news. You're in, you're in Spain in rehab.  When did you get that from? He says, oh, it's just been on the news. So I missed out on that job because the press were just to lie. So I missed out on the fortune in regards to the lies side of it, you know, and then he just tried and so. So he's just got to get somebody to understand him. So, like, Kate, he's been a great help. So if I'm struggling with anything, I'll just ring Kate and she'll get onto it for us and that. So it's good to have that support. How does it make you feel like guys like Wayne Rooney and stuff come forward when you are struggling to pay for rehab and stuff? They know that you've got the backing from people who I told you. Yeah, it was nice of them. I heard that, you know, the old chip didn't. That was nice of them, you know, and I really appreciate them for that and I thank them. I had the chance to thank everybody, you know, and obviously with the PFA, I paid them back. So, you know, so it was nice of them. So I think we're only going to keep that 40. Forty-three. So here's what about the round? What hang the gown you're going to do with the fishing rods?  Yeah, that's when I took bad. That's when my dad put me in a mental home for 11 years.  And I didn't drink for a long time after that, you know, that round water thing.  So that was quite embarrassing for everyone. But, you know, I got through that saga and then obviously did the apology again.  It doesn't bother me. I know I'm more happier when something's not drinking.  You know, last year, not just me, but the whole country who struggled with regards working that. So all the work's coming back here. He's been working and not tough with all the work coming through. So just staying on the right track and just enjoying the work that's ahead of us. That's all you can do. What about Maradona? It was both you was meeting a tonneau and he's got both past. Cos he didn't plays against you.  And I had a few butch champion on the way on the flight. I was just in a tunnel and I went Diego. I came here and pissed. And he went, okay, guys, I saw my, that was hilarious. And obviously I went out and beat five players and scored.   And it was a great old free kick and that. And then it was just afterwards I said, do the press conference. I can't really get my words out properly.  And yeah, it's a shame what's happened to him, you know? I mean, the way he was with himself was surprised he's lost as long as he did, you know? Cos I remember when I first went in with that child, he matches well in Manchester and he was sevens ago.  I mean, he was balloon break up and I started laughing. I went, yeah, massive.  Cos he didn't say cocaine and cocaine, you lose weight.  I think he's hit himself twice. A legend, man. Ah, great player. But you were classed as, you're on the same pitch, you're on the same bracket as... Yeah, I loved it when I played, you know? I do miss it, I still miss it. I find it hard to watch football.  What do you think you've spent through the years, Paul? You know, people say I've spent it all on drinking and drugs. Drugs are never happy, and drink, no, because wherever I went, people were just buying me a drink for free anyway, like, you know? I got divorced, I gave a lot of money to my family. I mean, I must have bought my dad about 80 cars, two boats and a lot of things.  But I'm happy, you know? Spent quite a lot, I don't think, in the houses. And then being just renting places. You know, but I just feel like now, at the age I am, I'm just a happy, good, lucky guy, like, you know?  Yeah, some of the agents have used to took the piss and that, and I just knew what they were doing, but I just let it go, you know? And it's hard to find someone to trust, but, you know, when I got rid of the other two, or the other one, and then I just cut me off for a break, and I just thought, why don't I give Katie a chance to be my manager? And I've never looked back since, to be fair.  Classic manager. I mean, I've seen her go in the fridge before, fridge with chocolate and stuff like that, and she must think I'm thick. But nah, she's good, she comes round and checks, and that makes her everything so case, which is good, like you know, if someone you can trust. Liam Gallagher's done a few videos, says that he used to work partying one night and he put out a fire extinguisher. It was in town, it was in London.  I went nah, nah, I'm not hungry. He went all right, I'm just too set, and I'm going to tell you.  And I rubbed my stomach and I went, ah, cheers.    Yeah, had some last for him. He's a good guy as well, he's talented. Yeah, amazing guy. Yeah, so I've had an opportunity to meet a lot of famous people, but I just take them as one of me, you know, like you said, I just feel like I'm just like a normal guy, you know, I look enough to be good with his feet. I met a lot of people that, you know, I've not known Brian Robson, I mean all of, the others people I've met, I just take it, this is like they're just one of me, that's it, you know. Yeah, what's your best moment in football, Paul?  So, you know, just all throughout my career, but I think some of the things that, the times were like, that range of things, it was achievement, I mean, from midfield I scored 38 goals, you know, I enjoyed that, and I think every goal I scored for a range has meant something, you know. Celebrations, you look at some of the players now, when they score. Did you hear Blond?  Yes, but, you know, just every time I put a shirt on, you know, I just look forward to it.   I mean, four moves, and the most expensive player, they're moving four of things.  You know, it was only the time where I missed, the only regret I have in football is missing them four years, you know, I could have got a hundred caps for England, I missed, like, with the Ligamins, that was a year, and then a broken kneecap, that was like another nine months, and then a year and a half with a broken amphibian tibia.  Yeah, I remember that Kilmarnock kid.  I said, yeah, I think so. Even though you're very outspoken and always the class clown, were you doing that because you were a shy pole? Yeah, sometimes I got away with the shyness, you know, I can get embarrassed quite quickly sometimes, and I do get the hump, but I sometimes overshadowed by it, I've just been funny enough, and then sometimes I'm just natural, I do say things, just comes off the cuff, and I'll say, where did that come from, you know?  Yeah, it's fucking, it leaves too short, man. I know, exactly.   So going forward, Paul, amazing career, mate, and like I say, you're loved by everyone. What's your plans for the future? Just whatever, you know, I'll just say well enough, and then we've got quite a few venues, Lido, we've got 8, 9 so far, I've just started coming out of signing things, got this thing, hopefully it goes ahead. I mean, I was going to go straight to come dancing in Italy, which was cancelled because of the virus, and then I was doing a documentary on Bellacio, that was cancelled because of the virus. So maybe I've got a book deal maybe coming up, and then just see what goes from there, you know. Yeah, but you've never shied away from my challenge, Paul. No, I've never. And I think one thing just leads to another, you know, once word gets round, like, I'm off Twitter, I'm off Instagram, I'm off Facebook and that, so I don't use any of that because I've got addicted to it and I kept on looking at it, thinking, oh, this and that, and... It's like, what, what are you doing on newspaper? Yeah, I know.  I know, exactly. So I didn't bother with any of that. And so really, I'm just trying to enjoy life as much as possible, you know, and just make the most of what I've got. Yeah. Before we finish up, Paul, when you're done on the, when it got shattered, see the guy that punched you, did you ever know him? No. Did he ever come forward that many years later?  I remember going to the hospital and I was, my leg was bent, I was lagny, so it was only when I straightened it, I was okay. And the nurse pushed me knee down and a thumb went right through. And when it's okay, you've heard it. I went, fucking, hold on. I said, me kneecaps, yeah man, on me thigh, I could feel the lump, yeah. She went, no, it's not, I think she was frightened to tell it.   So he got the car working again and the man was just straight in the hospital. It was an amazing job he did, he pulled it back down on a levee and then, you know, like a champagne bottle with a wire. I thought he did me a kneecap and then sewed it back up and then that was tough because I couldn't move and I stayed on the settee for three months, which wasn't too bad. I was just getting the gun out and shoved Jimmy up the arse, something to do and then he dyed the hair of different colours. So that three months was tough.   How's the relationship with Jimmy now? I was going for about 10 years now. I apparently lost a lot of weight for that. I was going for about 10 years. He went to the pub and did a story, which was lies like, you know. So trust that she was just going again? Yeah, I just twice she did it and he obviously made the money and then got used to it to get married or something. So I've just not spoken to him. Just before we finished up, Paul, I know you lost your dad a couple of years ago. How did you handle that? Not very good and I was so close to me dad, really was close to me dad, you know. It was funny as well.   And then I just lied and hugged him for 45 minutes. And then it was only like, you just think he's still there. And then I think now and again, Saturdays I'll miss him because I just like put his bets on for him and sit with him and watch some of the football and just stay at his for days like you know. So yeah, sat his warmest and more than anything else. Badly. And he was so dry.  He talked to Katie, he talked to anyone, not me.  I said, do you want a cup of tea dad?   Yeah, so yeah, he was dry but I loved to take them all around the world with his when I played like you know. He would have been proud of you Paul. He loved it. He was very easy to give home man. So you should be proud as well mate that everything that you've achieved in life and is still standing here fighting try to kick on for a better year this year as well. It shows you your character Paul. Yeah. How does it feel talking about your past and certain stories? Do you mind that sometimes like at the moment I'm about your age probably in a few hours time. Tired. Now I'll just be thinking about it. Thinking I had good times I had.  Especially the football side of it and no one could ever take that away from us, you know. I just still something to wish I was playing now. But I needed a hip operation so I get that done. I might stop playing for the over 50s.  How do you know it?  You were playing all the way. I trained and all that and then we were all getting paired new boots and I had my own pair and I thought I might as well wear these new ones and because of the new boots and I didn't warm up properly and I just felt my killies go straight away. I was gutted just the last five minutes but you know I would have stayed him that was. I mean Katie in my com but even the fans were fantastic towards us as well. So it's hard. It's hard. I like to go to games but I just get past it and then I get to watch the games.  So I end up something and he's leaving after 15 minutes. Just going to toilet and I'll be in the house watching the second half. Paul, listen brother, for coming on today and telling your story. It's been amazing. Pleasure. But before we finish up Paul Gascoin is known as a funny man. Give me one of your funny stories before we end. Well my God, not in the doors is the other guys I were from the sun.  Now I want to talk to them. I'll play for talking and the last one because I do something funny. I went no, I can't. I said the press are watching. I'm just being bored for 2.2 million.   So now I'm driving home and I've got warmed up. So I look across the road on the way home and I see a zoo. I thought that's okay. So I went home and I couldn't sleep. I knew what I was going to be doing so I would coordinate. I went to the zoo, climbed a fence sort of thing, not in the guy's door who owned the zoo, lived in the... I said need a favour.  What do you want? Anything. I went ostrich please.  Yeah please. So he gives an ostrich and I put it on my yeat shirt on the back.    And this ostrich is running all over with a Gascoin on my yeat shirt on. But what was funny, the lads finished training and it happened at 12.  So I got to finish around about five o'clock. Caught the ostrich because I got tangled up in the shirt and I took the back to the zoo.  The feathers were all over the place and everything.  So yeah I had some good laughs. Paul, listen mate.  Thanks for coming on today. Pleasure man. Yeah, thank you. Pleasure on my mate. Cheers. Check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like, share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast. Thank you.


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