So the live stream is up. I'll drop a link in the chat. So you're welcome to start whenever you want and then as a quick note again If anybody is here for the supply chain meeting, there's a different zoom room. They're using I'll put that in chat as well. So thank you Okay. Thank you David. Well, hello to all of you. Welcome to the Meetup of HyperLayer Madrid. Today we're going to talk about the new H Plus network from Alastria, which is based on HyperLayer Fabry. And well, today we have three fantastic and fantastic opponents, which are Montse Guardia, the director of Alastria, María Salgado, responsible for blockchain and momentum, and Jorge Ordo Vasco, responsible for blockchain and telephony. How are you all? Very good. Thank you very much for your time and for contributing today to the HyperLayer Madrid community with this fantastic news of the Alastria H Plus network. For those of you who are new, I've seen that there have been a lot of people who have gone to the Meetup of HyperLayer Madrid. Well, this is a Meetup that belongs to the HyperLayer consortium. We generally meet about the different technologies that are under the umbrella of HyperLayer. Today, specifically, we are going to talk about the H Plus network, the Alastria network that is based on HyperLayer Fabry and the possible cases of use that are going to take off. Sorry, we also have several Meetups on the way. We have the 22th of March, if I'm not mistaken, a Meetup related to the Blockchain Automation Framework, which is a project of the HyperLayer Labs that is going to serve to be able to deploy lists for production related to the HyperLayer ecosystem. And they also come on the way to the Meetups related to digital identity, about the projects that HyperLayer has in digital identity, which would be HyperLayer Indy and HyperLayer Aries. And the agenda that we have today is going to be that Monse will tell us in case someone does not know the Alastria ecosystem, which I think is already quite well known, but there is always a good introduction to know it even more. Then Jorge is going to tell us what is that infrastructure of the Alastria network based on HyperLayer Fabry and finally Maria will tell us the case of using Alastria Indy, which is going to be one of the first cases that will take off on that productive network. So, without further ado, Monse, thank you very much for being here. Thank you very much and thank you for the introduction. I love being in a Meetup and a Meetup with HyperLayer, I think it's fantastic. I see that we are already almost, well, we are reaching 45 people. I'm going to try, I'm going to be brief because what I know is that from Alastria we are very interested today in listening and we already know, but above all that you can ask and I think that space for the questions that we can do and that we can dialogue about this H Plus network and about the digital identity in model Alastria Indy in this H HyperLayer Fabry network and that we call H Plus. I'll tell you and I'll start now. I'm Monse Guardia, Director General of Alastria. I'm going to share few slides, I'll try to be very specific and I'll also tell you that for me it's an honor. It's an honor to be the Director General of this association. First of all, association without profit. I always like to start with this image of Alastria, which is that global vision, that view from the stratosphere, trying to have a screen, trying to make what would be a name in English, reach in a pair of water, multiple themes around what decentralization is. So in this case today, and to reinforce that Alastria is born with a word called innovation and that I like to comment this little joke, this little vineyard where we are all looking to do something really new and when it's really new, there are risks. And no one else has done it, it will be for something. So that constant management between the risks and being innovative, I think it characterizes a lot Alastria. That balance between knowing how to manage well a risk but not stop doing what could be an innovation that no one else has done. I think that an pride right now, after three years, to be able to say that in Alastria we have been characterized during these three years and long by doing innovation, but an innovation by technological push. Well, these two gentlemen told us that there was innovation in the market, by listening to the market and there we had the equipment, closer to the client and closer to what would be the possibility of offering new products and new services that do not exist, but because we see a specific problem and that other innovation which is because a tool appears, something appears that we are going to be able to use in something to solve problems that we still do not know what we have. And that vision of bringing the future to the present. Alastria in this sense has seen how the network and telecommunication through the internet and the network effect is now currently 100% in many cases centralized but that the world can already do dApps, to be able to do decentralized applications on a decentralized network more and more is a reality. And today I will speak and when I speak of Alastria, I do not speak so much that technology is the key, it is the tool that allows us to innovate, but what we are really innovating, what we are innovating is in our relationship, in how we do or how we are going to be able to build business models, products and services based on a collaboration, an aggregation of actors in a search and generate a win-to-win. And that is complex because we are redefining processes between companies and for people. The famous business, your business, your customer. Well, getting to those models where we have to collaborate at the same level, well, that win-to-win is the construction that leads us to decide that together we go further. So Alastria is that, it is an association of companies, also public administrations and academy, universities, business schools, lawyer spaces, from all aspects, and what we do is push, from a polyhedral vision, from many points of view, a greater donation of innovation by the use of decentralized network, the use of blockchain in all its nature. We are agnostic in technology and this is important because indeed these networks that we are seeing are based on hyper-leisure technology or in all its hyper-leisure versions, it is important that they exist within the association and that there are partners like Telefónica, Inetum and other various who are also betting to work on this technology. Alastria is a pioneer, it has done nothing the same, with which we manage risks of learning about what we do and do it in short cycles. And what do we do? Well, all the partners, the 500, now more than 500 that we are, we collaborate in infrastructure, in that layer that I have said technological, but also in those models of digital identity, in standardizing, right? In Spain we have been the first to have a normal, a formal norm of digital identity that right now is already in CNCNL, that in Europe and in ISO, and also in what would be Etsy and you, right? We have embarked on those standards to present a model created with the contribution of all the partners or the majority of the partners or of some of them, we really do it because above this collaboration work there is competition and there is a competition based on consortia, based on agreements based on use cases. This is what we want, that exists to reach this digital economy, which is our mission, right? To reach a much richer digital economy and much more abundant. We do it by sector, we do it as today, here in the middle, we are distributed by all the territory in Spain, but also in Europe and in other countries, and what we try is that each person and that talent speaks and speaks independently of where they are. The use cases are based on the goodness of this decentralized technology currently, right? In 2021, most of the use cases that we are seeing are relative to the notation, to the registration, to the traceability, but already, I think this is the year of talking about use cases already for production of what would be digital identity and also telecommunication. And in this sense, I just want to tell you that we are doing research and development, yes, you have lost me. Yes, it sounds a little bad. Oh, yes? I'm going to do it a little more, to see if I can do it, and now? It's like you have a little noise. Now, yes. Okay, I'm going to put it like this, next to you. Well, the comment was already ending, no, yes, the clip is like the mic. I don't know if there are some ups and downs in the audio. I don't know if you are using headphones or... No. I'm going to try to see, and now it's better, better or not? No, it's like there is noise. Okay, I'm going to... I'm already... I don't know anything, because I'm closing this. No. Let's see now? Hello. I think it's your microphone. It's my microphone. Okay, I'm going to have to zoom in and I'll be back. I'm just going to tell you this, which is research, development and innovation. I'll be back in a second, okay? Because I think I have to leave to reset here. Perfect, here we wait for you. Okay. Well, while Montse is back, I'm going to comment, because Montse has explained a little what the objective was when Alastria was launched in 2017 already. And that objective was to try to find those cases of use that the different partners of Alastria that at that time we were developing blockchain projects within the business sector. We understood that they could be interesting not only within the scope of each of our companies, but above all putting in common those elements that could make sense for that interrelation between the different partners and create those projects or those joint components that would make each of us not have to start again from scratch and build our our own solutions. Great. Let's see, again? And again? Fantastic. Yes, fantastic. Yes, I don't know why the audio is degraded sometimes. I don't know why. I don't know why. Thank you. Thank you, Jorge. I'm just finishing because I wanted to give you this mark and talk about the importance of being able to innovate in a environment well known in a common environment and nothing else. There are projects, we have research and development projects to encourage these projects that are European models projects that we are all and encourage us to join Alastria that this is really going to make a much faster and more exponential among all the multiple partners that we are. I'm going to close here and well, it went a bit fast but what I wanted to give you with that vision that everything that can come will be for that that collaboration work and above all in determination to do it possible and talking about doing it possible I leave you, I think that now Maria and Jorge from two relevant companies of the Alastria ecosystem a push and a determination I'm going to leave you now I think you are going Maria if I say it right I'm going to leave you Maria I'm going to leave you I'm going to share a little summary continuing a little with what Montse commented and entering the most technological when we launched Alastria initially the plan was also to have a network or a set of networks with different technologies because the main objective was to be able to develop those cases of use that would have sense for the companies within a common ecosystem such as Alastria working among all in the part of technological availability of those companies that could do it the other companies that did not have that knowledge or did not have teams or could not dedicate that time to their own technology that could take advantage of those capabilities that they had in other companies within the consortium and that they could then deploy their cases of use, deploy their projects on an infrastructure that other companies were managing in a cooperative way and in an uninterested way and also to do it in a free way that until now the different networks that have been created within the Alastria area have been able to develop the concept tests with that mix that Montse mentioned earlier the technology that was initially planned within Alastria because it was probably the technology with a major degree of maturity was Quorum over time we have been introducing within Alastria different networks today there is a Quorum network a network of HyperLayer Beso and in 2019 we launched between several partners that we were working with the technology of HyperLayer Fabric a network with this technology a network that initially allowed us to understand and advance in those environments where there was a set of actors of different companies with different infrastructures that had to collaborate with each other to create a common case the typical case of a consortium for example and allow the partners to deploy cases of use based on HyperLayer Fabric on this type of infrastructure it is important to highlight that the networks that exist within the Alastria area are networks that are operated by the partners and are networks that do not give a guarantee of productive environment and this is and it is logical and normal because the partners are working in an uninterested way to maintain this infrastructure that does not mean that the networks do not have a great availability because for example the network of Quorum has had a performance and a availability comparable to any productive network but there has been a handicap so far for those partners that needed a little more that guarantee of a productive environment to be able to deploy their projects to go beyond the proof of concept and that is where at the beginning of this year Telefónica and Alastria have proposed to take a step more to try to take to the Alastria environment the Alastria partners the possibility of a productive environment that provides those guarantees that many companies need to be able to develop those projects in real environments that network is what we call the network H plus what is the network H plus we are talking about two environments one that is open to all Alastria partners without cost so that they can develop their cases of use based on Hatterleger Fabric that is oriented to carry out these proof of concept to carry out these projects where there are no these requirements of a productive environment where we can assume at some point a network fall or a performance loss because in the end it is an environment where the partners will deploy their cases of use in a common way sharing all the resources that exist in this environment it is useful to understand if the cases of use that are based on Hatterleger Fabric can make sense in each of the companies that are part of the consortium we have a productive environment we have another platform this other platform is another service that we call Premium it is the service on which we are going to give a guarantee of functioning we are going to give some SLAs, some time to answer and there will be a definition of the architecture that each of the partners needs for their own cases of use it is especially relevant to have a productive infrastructure in an area like the Alastria that as I mentioned previously in Montse there are more than 500 companies that can develop projects in common and the fact that each of these companies separately we want our own networks of Hatterleger Fabric probably makes the added value of all the initiatives that we are relating that we are developing and the impossibility that there are synergies between each of them but internally only in each of these companies all the ability to have blockchain having a shared environment allows us to join the two things having the guarantee of performance, functionality, etc. that we need when we develop our productive projects in each of the companies in an ecosystem and a technical environment where we can collaborate share and define those cases in common between the different companies if we enter a definition of a very high level of infrastructure when we talk about the shared platform what we are going to have basically is a minimum infrastructure of Hatterleger Fabric where in the same channel all the partners can deploy 100 codes of their concept test and to upload we can deploy 100 generic codes or generic functionalities added value services and what you want to see that can be common for all the companies in the productive environment however we have two different areas we have a shared infrastructure between all the companies that shared infrastructure that let's say is going to be designed to get the capabilities they need all the projects of the partners that want to develop productive environments about Hatterleger Fabric it will also allow all that common functionality all those components all those codes that can be shared between the rest of the partners the shared part of the productive platform each of the partners is going to have an independent environment it's going to have its own pips where depending on the use cases it's going to develop independent channels with other partners within Alastria if the use case is given in particular or even with other actors outside Alastria network it will also be possible to be incorporated within the use cases that develop in the H-plus network so that depending on the number of partners that are being incorporated in the network the network infrastructure is going to grow and we are going to have a shared infrastructure within a common infrastructure shared by all the partners the specific infrastructure that allows each of these partners to develop their own use cases depending on the technology or the technological stack the infrastructure that is going to be deployed all this network of high-parleger fabric is going to be done on telephone on the telephone data centers on OpenShift, on Kubernetes to facilitate that escalation and that rapid deployment and that high availability in the case that some of the infrastructure elements are not working properly and also, apart from the high-parleger fabric we are going to have other elements to facilitate the development and the consumption of everything that is generated within this ecosystem if we have to compare the environment that we call standard with the environment that we call premium I would focus on two concrete elements the standard environment provides an environment to be able to test the concept that has no cost for any of the partners of the network but on the other hand it does not provide guarantee of operation and it is a completely shared infrastructure among all partners unlike the premium service that does provide those guarantee of operation and that allows each of the partners a productive environment of high-parleger fabric to have its own specific infrastructure segmented and separated from the rest of the partners of the network and that specific infrastructure of the partners that shared environment is what each of the partners that form part of this premium environment of this productive environment has to include its budget We are talking about two fundamental components in this productive platform the entire shared infrastructure or the cost of this shared infrastructure is going to be distributed between the different partners that form part of the project so that the cost of each of the partners implementing an equivalent infrastructure of high-parleger fabric on its own will always be much higher than the cost distributed between all partners that form part of the network and then depending on the needs of each of the partners they are going to deploy specific components for that infrastructure dedicated in terms of PIRs, CAs, canals, etc. like other types of elements such as HSMs for key management in a environment where it is especially critical to guarantee that no one can have access to the private keys that are used within that ecosystem that creates each of the partners and also to adapt to the needs of attention and support depending on the typology of the use cases that are going to be deployed on the network and finally to finish and give a step to Maria that will explain more in detail one of the aspects that we believe of this H Plus network and also to guarantee the partners a common environment but with functional guarantees is that we give the possibility that those partners that can bring value to the rest of the partners within Alastria can create components reusable components added value services that other partners can use and make it easier to make a quick interaction within their business within their cases of use The first of these generic components that we want to incorporate within the H Plus network is the one that has to do with identity, with Alastria IDIT I'm not going to go into much detail because that's precisely what Maria is going to develop now but the goal is that we can create on this H Plus network different elements collaborating in the case of the Alastria IDIT component what it will allow is that a company that develops a project using HyperLayer Fabric today needs to have a node with another technology to be able to integrate with Alastria IDIT to be able to integrate within the network where all the credentials are being managed in this case what we are going to do is to migrate the concept of Alastria IDIT to HyperLayer Fabric so that those companies who want to use this component can do it without having to integrate other technologies through the deployed component in the H Plus network in the same way that we are talking about new functionalities new added value services that the partners can incorporate within the H Plus network we are also talking about our objective is that through the H Plus network we can not only interoperate with other networks that exist within the Alastria area but we can also interoperate with other networks that exist outside of Alastria an example is the European network of Blockchain the objective is that through the H Plus network as a proxy as a connector with other types of networks within Alastria the capabilities that HyperLayer Fabric offers in the H Plus network they can also consume services, connect with companies and generally use the capabilities that they offer other networks such as this European network of Blockchain or why not other networks that exist such as Lac-Chain which is the prime of Alastria in the Latin American environment and well without further we answer at the end the questions you may have about this proposal of the H Plus network and I give a step to María so that I can deepen a little more what is this of Alastria and what is the planning that we are doing together with Inetum to be able to offer to the partners this component in the H Plus network phenomenal thank you very much Jorge I'm also going to share screen confirm me please as long as you are watching we already see it fantastic well my part I'm María Salgado, Blockchain Manager Inetum, Inetum is the name that we have of a new company that is formed by the fusion of two technological consultants that are GFI and Yecisa Inetum is our new name our new brand and we have new challenges one of them is to add us to this initiative to deploy Alastria ID in the H Plus network as Jorge has said that productive network for Alastria partners what is this of Alastria ID well I'm sure that all of you have self-managed identity but to put a little context we have many current problems with the digital identity in the first place we have many digital identities and those digital identities are not spoken among them there are different standards lack of interoperability we have too well let's say that we are too digital me that really contains replicada I'm already totally unable to say how many companies or organizations I have shared it or data like my post office I have shared it with so many companies that I don't know and then when I change from office I'm unable to do it even if I wanted I couldn't notify all of them of this change that's why there is information that isn't exact, wrong information about general data protection in short many problems regarding how we currently manage our information in our personal data our digital identity we could say that the digital identity right now is organized in silos in information silos our information is fragmented and that's another place to the typical problems of information why use blockchain to propose a new digital identity scheme because you already know that blockchain comes to change the paradigm they come to say that they are no longer so necessary those intermediaries in our business models have so much importance in our information schemes they have taken so much relevance I work in a technological consultant at the end it's a technology company Alastria is a consortium in which there are not only technology companies there are also B2B, B2B as well as other sectors and what do I mean by this I mean that blockchain comes to give an answer to a real demand of society not a demand that maybe a group of freaks with all the respects a group of freaks we have invented we have planned with the pandemic we have been able to see it when applications like RADAR COVID came out we are very aware with the privacy of our data I speak of the person of the street of the day to day we are worried about our personal data because we have lost control because we see that if I want comfort using Google or Facebook I have to sacrifice my privacy somehow I have to choose between comfort or privacy so why choose why do I always have to trust my data in an intermediary that then commercialize with them if they are exploited somehow because when I say I'm going to a first communion then I'm seeing communion coins in Amazon all day if I didn't look for it because this doesn't matter so much this concept of sovereign identity is something that has been going on for a long time but in consortiums like Alastria in which all the partners like Monse and Jorge also collaborate around common use cases a model has been presented that gives response to the 10 principles of sovereign identity which are a little more philosophical and it is AlastriaID AlastriaID is a model of self-managed identity that has not only a technical specification but that has an open source development that you can find in public in the Alastria JitHub repositories which we are very proud of because we have done it among many partners of Alastria among more than 100 participants right now there is a first minimum viable product that consists of an implementation of Ethereum it is deployed in one of the Alastria networks in the network T which is in Quorum and it also contains some reference implementations that simulate being a company or that also simulate being a valid identity the AlastriaID project has served as inspiration to the European project of sovereign identity of the European Commission SIF according to the UNE that has recently come out UNES that Spanish standardization committee and right now we are already in the hands of CENCENELEC which as Montse said is the European standardization committee the model of Alastria goes hand in hand and there is a legal team that is compliance with EIDAS and with the general regulation of data protection with other rules that also apply and of course the standard of Alastria makes use of the definitions of verifiable credentials that the W3C proposes I see that a lot of things are jumping in the chat but then we answer them all how does it work if I say that I am a doctor in philosophy and in Greek I can put it in the link but I am saying it from myself that means that it is not verified right? then how do the models of self-managed identity work how does the model of Alastria work the model of Alastria presents three roles credentials emissors that are those that can give testimony of some data of a subject that subject now I am talking a little from the point of view of whether that subject is a physical person but it could also be a legal person it could even be an animal a process or something with a physical person it feels a little better and then the third role is that of the service provider that is to say, sorry the service provider is the one who is going to give a service to the subject and for that it needs certain data, that is to say if I want to buy a car I have to share the data of my driving license to the company of car rental the company of car rental would be the service provider a little with these three roles described now what you are seeing on the screen is the model of Alastria identity as you can see the data, this is one of the things if you have to stay with two messages of what it gives, one is this the data is not in the blockchain in the model of Alastria identity the verifiable credentials are exchanged between the different actors of chain, that is, through secure channels and always go through the user identity wallet the wallet of identity is a mobile application from which the user controls who shares the data in each moment look at one thing there is no relationship there is no arrow in this scheme between what is the one who receives the credentials and the one who emits the credentials there is not because this is a model of sovereign identity who is the sovereign, who is the owner of the data the subject then the data emissor gives the data to the subject and the subject shares it with who he wants and the emissor totally loses the traceability that is, they have no idea of who shares the data, the subject in each moment, this is very powerful and look, here we are using blockchain for no traceability, it is curious what do we leave in blockchain? in blockchain we only leave evidence of what has happened but evidence of such a way that not even those who have the nodes of the blockchain can profile the activity volume of some of the parts well, I leave you here some data then the presentation, I'm sure we share it I do not want to extend it especially then I'm going to pass if I get into the subject of jasses to tell you that this model is designed by many technical people but by many lawyers then there is an emphasis, there is a very clear focus in preserving the privacy of the user then as I said a data is recorded in the blockchain less personal data the user, through a simple click can start a process of revocation of consent of the data all the events relative to a credential the parts that have the credential can confirm what has happened I explain to myself if right now the general direction of traffic gives me the flesh to drive and I share it with a car dealer and now I'm very bad driver and it takes away all the points the general direction of traffic and therefore my driving flesh is not valid right now there is no police and it takes away the driving flesh so that I can no longer teach it to anyone on the other hand, through this type of systems the emissor itself can mark that a credential stops being valid and therefore all the service providers who have that credential will be notified and then they will be able to request me again because Maria has given me a notification that this one that I have to drive is not valid can you send me your document to drive again or any process the mechanism that we do of hashing is called private sharing multi hashing this means that for each of the objects we calculate two hashes in such a way that you can not even trace that I had a relationship with the general direction of traffic if you want now we go into detail in all the subject of how the hashes are calculated interoperability is like a trending topic hot topic in terms of blockchain well Alastria has several networks and it will have many more networks as Montse has said, this is to innovate this is not to stop growing right now we have the network T in Quorum we have the network B in Besu fixed in the diagram and we have the network H we are going to have the network H plus the model of Alastria is a formal model that means that it defines how the credentials are what fields they should have in the end it defines JSON web tokens it defines that format and it also defines certain well what is the integration layer it defines certain interfaces from there the implementation of that identity model or that is done in Besu or that is done in Fabric can be totally different in the model that we have right now deployed in the network T we have a series of smart contracts and for each of the people who create an identity that is to say that they create a DID that is called the decentralized identifier we have a smart contract that represents you on the network this for example is not viable in the schemes in a hyper-layer-fabric type with the chain code it is where Inetum and Telefonica we are starting to get our hands on the work to see how Jorge said and through Trastairi with certain specific chain codes or how we are going to be able to facilitate the Alastria partners who want to use this network who can also make use of the identity for them it is very important that the identity wallets that are developing as well follow the standardization proposed by AlastriaID that is AlastriaID proposes a layer of interface a layer of integration so if those wallets of identity are faithful to those layers of integration that behind are connecting to a BESU network or a Red Quorum or a Red Fabric it is indifferent because they are using the same APIs the logic of what it does to load the partners to get this is the favorite word interoperable that is to say that this wallet of identity can have credentials and can share them with a company that has a case of use deployed in the H Plus network a case of use deployed in the network and with this I want to finish because I am sure there are many questions and I do not want to eat my agenda Perfect, thank you very much Maria, Jorge, Monse I want to congratulate you because you have adapted the timing in a perfect way so let's go we have several questions we have questions in the chat of Zoom and now I look if we have any questions on YouTube that we have also been transmitting live and let's go for the first question Borja Borja asks us how is the H Plus network going to be enabled in the H Plus network? I think this Borja has just launched it before I will tell you you are responsible If you want to know, even Maritere you can comment a little the part that Maria has passed a little on top of Trasteid and how it is made with the concept that Maria has commented Perfect to not steal the protagonists since you are the speakers and I am here as a moderator but at the end Trasteid is a centralized identity module that we release as open source code in phone last year within the HyperLayer Labs and the objective of Trasteid is not how to make the sovereign identity of the network but it is more focused on the centralized identity management in the different blockchain networks guaranteeing that interoperability that Maria commented at the end is not a identity solution that is ad hoc for a network but the objective that Trasteid has as such is to be able to create those mechanisms that we needed so that the identity can be interoperable and then on that interoperable identity to be able to create the mechanisms of the self-sovereign identity So, well I think one of the fundamental aspects when we talk about applying or mapping what has been done with Trasteid a network like HyperLayer Fabric is that the identity management mechanism that exists today in HyperLayer Fabric does not compile with that model in which each of the people has their own identity and has to manage information related to that identity It does not make sense to create credentials in the CAA of HyperLayer Fabric for each of the people or each of the companies that have to interact in the environment that does not work that is the reason why in Telefónica we created this concept about HyperLayer Fabric and it is one of the components in which the solution of Trasteid on HyperLayer Fabric would be combined somehow all the experience that Inetum has in the development of Trasteid on other networks the management of the wallet with the centralized identity of HyperLayer Fabric that Telefónica has developed and to complete from the Alastria Identity Commission there are public some test of interoperability that if you are developing some solution of the Selsovereign Identity and those that you want to use are super simple they are scripts in Node that with credentials that you generate or that you use in your wallet and others you can execute and they will tell you exactly what is missing, what is not missing because in the end it is something that seems very big, very philosophical and then it really translates to that you have not put the point of command where you had to put it sometimes they are stupid things so tell you that of course we will keep you updated and that from the Identity Commission there is a lot of interest to interoperate because there are initiatives that all follow the same standard perfect thank you in this comment that we launched a commission with its own entity of interoperability that this is the we have already begun to meet and there have been solutions that have been presented this week and to encourage those who are part of that you are already partners of Alastria to participate in this commission and those who are not partners to encourage you to join perfect let's go to the next question from Juana Alastria H Plus then it is a private hyper-label managed by Telefónica what difference does it make regarding other blockchain services I think the question is for Papa Jorge for me, right? yes what we are proposing is an infrastructure that from the point of view of availability, scalability services it provides the same than a blockchain as a service but we do not stay there the goal is to create an additional layer a layer of components that can be the Alastria ID or other components facilitate not only the one that you can explain about a hyper-label infrastructure but you can also take advantage of the components that develop the rest of the partners within the network as this can be the case of Alastria or other components that can be developed in the future in addition to that the H Plus network has the goal of interoperating as we mentioned before we have not only the goal of giving an infrastructure to deploy in code but also to connect with other types of networks you can take advantage of the federation of networks the one you can reach to other actors within a process that may interest you that they have presence they have deployed their services in other networks in a fast and simple way I think that the sum of all this is completely different from a traditional provider within a service Perfect, thank you very much Jorge we have another question from Armando What improvements do you make compared to the H Plus network compared to the network T and the network B Ok, I will answer if you want I think this is the next one and then we will know if you want and so you can tell the little ones because they also ask about the SLA that I think is related with this question Yes, it seems to you I am going to mix the two and then if you want Monze you also bring your vision the different networks of different technologies and the different platforms offered by the partners within Alastria they are going to be available because if someone wants to develop a solution on Quorum or a solution on HyperLayer BESU they are going to have the networks that exist from the technological point of view because each network has its characteristics and depending on the needs of each of the projects it will have more sense to approach it with Quorum, with HyperLayer BESU or with HyperLayer Fabric I think the second point is the one that gives that differentiation in the end in the H Plus network what we are guaranteeing is precisely that level of service that quality of service what we are guaranteeing is that if a bug is produced in HyperLayer as Juanma says we have the capacity to be able to solve that bug to be able to lift and recover the service and to transfer that bug towards the development team of HyperLayer Fab it is complicated to get in a blockchain environment as a service when we talk about environments we are using the open source versions of HyperLayer Fabric and that is one of the additional values that we are going to have within the H Plus network great, we have another question Dalonso who asks us if the HyperLayer Cactus project is for the SAPIS I understand that it goes for the interoperability part so Monse, I leave it all to you Yes, in fact in the interoperability group we started with Cactus we did a first session of understanding what was technology what was Cactus and the project and how it was linked and that is where we are exploring in fact, it is one of the themes in exploration within the interoperability group there you have Maria so you have to comment on this too but nothing about reinventing the wheel at first it is about adding and making the wheel better every day if there is component sorry we commented that it could also be a good idea when you are advancing more in the interoperability group and with the results that we can obtain with HyperLayer Cactus even being able to make a meet up and share our experience with this technology so we have no intention to reinvent the wheel in fact, Alastria is now member of HyperLayer just like Telefónica member of HyperLayer and we not only use components that are developed within the Paraguas of HyperLayer as Cactus can be at the moment, you also have to take into account the degree of maturity of the different components it is not the same something that is developed within the labs and that it is incubating that a project that has really happened in the productive environment of HyperLayer has a support and guarantees especially when we talk about projects that are developed in the field of entrepreneurship and to analyze all the components that give us value and as we have already done in Telefónica we are even going to release those elements that we think can bring value to other people as is the case of Trastei Perfect we have many questions I have completely lost the thread I'm sorry I'm going to the next question there was a question about Dalion that maybe we have the question about Dalion's project that he has answered Maria, I don't know if you want to answer I answered it through the chat because then I think there is a very relevant question as it could be the one at the cyber security level what advantages can this network offer that now Jorge if you want to answer you on Dalion's project briefly I see that the interest in the chat tell you that Alastria wants to compete with her partners Alastria wants to promote the competition this means what Monse that we collaborate at certain levels but that doesn't take away that the partners compete at other levels then from the identity commission for example a reference implementation of an identity wallet has been developed but that identity wallet won't be in the app stores so that we don't use it we leave it to make it the technology companies then precisely in the Dalion project companies from all sectors have agreed to those reference implementations make some implementations that are productive and they can use and put in their markets and compete at all levels then this goes to the Dalion project it's going to be in real life it's going to be productive the planning of the identity commission there is part of the development of the identity commission that is used for example the development of smart contracts and they have deployed it and in Dalion they use it there are those two levels we share one part but then in another part we compete and the Dalion project is there it's super interesting, I have left a link so that you know it we have public administrations as observers in the project and the private public collaboration is super interesting and this project we don't know if it's going to benefit from this H Plus network in the future we don't know, this is not yet planned I'm going to try to make a very quick summary leave me a little bit because what Maria said I think that many times you don't understand very well Alastria because you don't understand this Alastria would be like a chain of assembly of a prototype everything that is done from the design model of a standard to the implementation of references is accelerated among many so that later there is that competition based on something that is already solid that has already been prototyped that there are already learning lessons and that can be worked on top of it and there the competition is generated which is what we want is to boost the digital economy so as not to reinvent the wheel and do things in itself that can be done as much as possible to put it in common so Dalion is a very, very clear example like other projects like Raúl I don't know if I want to do other projects but I was going to say other projects like Digitalis or others that can be seen but in Alastria now we are with more than 60 cases of business or business agent that is already doing their models and in this sense the association brings the base Jorge, I cut you off before I forgive you I am going to try to condense the questions that are there because in a minute I will not have much time the infrastructure that is being presented on the H Plus network is an infrastructure that is going to have base with a security audit that means that everything that is deployed from 0 within the environment will give guarantees to the partners that will be deployed in their use cases that the entire infrastructure is mounted with guarantees that the services that can run on it have both the guarantee of operation as well as the guarantee not only that they cannot be attacked from the point of view of external actors on the network but also that internal actors that can manage the nodes will not have visibility nor the information that each of the partners has in their use cases, in their own channels nor the chencodes, for example one of the things that is going to be implemented within the H Plus network is the possibility that the partners deploy chencodes on the infrastructure but chencodes in binary so that even though we can deploy that business logic on the network and that the use case works within the H Plus network we cannot even see how it is defined that logic we have talking about performance and architecture of that coupling, components in the end what we are thinking on the network is that performance adapts to the needs of each of the partners I think we have lost Jorge, right? We have lost, yes Have you lost? A little You have been cut in minutes I have spoken a lot in a minute What I was talking about is that the network is going to be deployed We have lost when you spoke just about the components The goal is to deploy a base infrastructure with a performance that adapts to the needs of each of the partners if the partner has specific needs of performance it will deploy a specific infrastructure for that partner that can fulfill those needs of performance without penalizing the rest of the partners Imagine that the network would share that performance between all partners and there would only be a partner that would demand a high transactional volume The rest of the partners would be penalized and there would be specific infrastructure of each of the partners to guarantee that each of them has the performance that needs the decoupling of the components of a particular client The clients will deploy and the clients will do two things either use the components previously deployed on the common channels and the APISOs that can be incorporated to be able to use those components, as can be the case of Alastra ID and then they will be able to deploy on their own channels and their own infrastructure the chencos that they develop those two modes when we talk about components of a client the client will only have visibility on the components that they can deploy mapping component to chenco in the rest of the components all partners will have visibility of the components of the common components when we talk about GDPR and it is an important aspect each of the partners of each of the clients will be augmented so that practical effects of the client will have their own blockchain and that means that the data will not be shared between clients it is also important to face the normative compliment that the infrastructure will be mounted on the telephonic infrastructure in the national territory and that is relevant for example with the public administration that they have to publish and comply with the regulations and guarantee that the data will not be stored away from the European territory and as a last question I think I have already answered at the cyber security level what does this network offer what I mentioned before from minute 0 the network will come out with guarantee and with a security audit all the infrastructure levels to guarantee that all the components that we are going to put at the disposal of the partner to deploy their projects are audited and comply with all the needs of the security point of view we are also going to implement those mechanisms that the partners require we do not want to make an extraordinarily complex environment without an adapted environment for example those partners for whom it is critical to have a management of keys with a security plus we are going to incorporate HSM within the Hatterleger Fabric of the H-plus network so that the credentials that can be generated within that particular client can be managed through these specific components and that the client has the guarantee that no one has access to the private keys with which they are working within that private case and I do not know if there is any other if there is any more question I have left my email in the chat so that the objective also of the half is to reserve to present that it consists of the H-plus network of Alastria that cases of use are going to be deployed as the digital case and solve doubts that I have seen there are quite a few so we are staying without time and as the objective was also to dedicate time to doubts if you have any doubt I have left my email you can contact me if you can also contact me on social networks like LinkedIn and I am already in charge of pursuing our speakers and give me an answer as soon as possible and nothing else comment again that on March 22 we have another very interesting half I leave you the link in the chat also for you to point out to see if we can make the community of HyperLayer in Madrid much stronger and also promote the content in Spanish within HyperLayer that many times we miss them if it is all in English and nothing, and just with this also commented that there is a group to be able to translate right now the documentation of HyperLayer Fabric to Spanish and if you are interested in participating and being able to contribute your little grain of sand to the ecosystem of HyperLayer well, you also have my contact and we move it and so well, you also know that it is the power to collaborate in this type of projects that of course a lot so well, thank you very much Monse, Maria and Jorge for your time for having made this presentation so fantastic and and nothing thank you very much thank you for all the organization and nothing is available thank you I join you to what you say a pleasure thank you very much goodbye thank you and now good organizer David, we have finished it great, great, all in the live stream, thanks thank you, bye bye


Understanding the networked economy is our white paper on the transition of advanced economies into a form of information-based networked model. In the paper we provide insight, analysis, and recommendations to help researchers and organizations better understand and respond to current major structural changes in the economy driven by information technology and globalization. During the past decades we have begun in very significant ways the transition from an industrial economy to an information networked economy. With current developments we are moving in a very concrete way into the information and knowledge age. An idea that has to date been mostly an academic and theoretical concept is rapidly becoming a reality and this transformation is reshaping all areas of society, economy, and technology infrastructure. In an information economy surplus value is no longer derived primarily from the production and consumption of physical goods as it was in the mass society but instead in the production and exchange of information. Thus this process of change takes us from an industrial economy that was characterized by centralized hierarchical and formal organizations optimized for the processing of physical resources and defined by the constraints of those physical limitations to a form of information economy whose primary structures can be identified as open networks that are optimized for processing information and knowledge which are no longer defined so much by physical constraints but are defined instead by the inherent limitations of information and knowledge. An information economy is an advanced form of economic system where technology and economic organization converge in new ways and thus to understand this transformation it is important to understand the change in underlying technology. The two central aspects to information and communications technology are the analytical computational capabilities of the microprocessor and the global connectivity that is enabled by telecommunications networks. These two capacities combine to enable a whole new structure to economic organization networks that are distributed with automated coordination. Telecommunications enables a reduction in transaction cost and a proliferation of channels of communication as information comes to flow in all directions. Instead of information being constrained to flow in a linear fashion it comes to flow in multiplicity of directions. With this pervasive flow of information horizontally peer to peer people become more connected directly to others outside of the boundaries of the traditional vertical organization defined by physical constraints as networks form and strengthen. An economic organization is a set of connections between members but also it has to process information in order to coordinate production and exchange. Thus such peer networks remain relatively incapable as mechanisms for organizing economy and society without some system for information processing and coordination. The microprocessor gives us the capacity to iterate rapidly on simple operations and combine those into complex rules that we call algorithms. These algorithms now enable us to automate the processing of information required for the coordination of complex networks. When we combine telecommunication networks with algorithmic coordination we get distributed networks whose basic operations are automated. This organization may be called a platform. This capacity of information technology enables us to overcome inherent constraints in the centralized hierarchical model. Networks if they are peer to peer can scale to an almost arbitrary size. At the same time exponential increases in computation make it possible to build ever more complex algorithmic systems for automating basic network coordination. This combination means we can decentralize coordination and build ever larger more complex systems of economic organization without hitting the limitations of the centralized model. Since the advent of information technology during the 20th century, our capacity to harness the potential of this new organizational structure has corresponded to the development of more complex systems of economic organization. Prior to the advent of information technology, organizations of the industrial age were limited in scale and capacities. Information flowed in a linear fashion into the center of the organization where it was processed by people and sent back out to be acted on by the mass of members. With a strong chain of command in a fixed hierarchical structure that was required given the limitations. In the later half of the 20th century organizations were partially liberated from these constraints as they became enabled by the first wave of information technology. Organizations started using computers, spreadsheets and telecommunications and this changed organizations enabling corporations to take new forms, finance to develop new instruments and markets and supply chains to become globally distributed. However, it was not until the development of the global broadband internet infrastructure, widespread adoption of powerful smartphones, the new software capabilities of web 2.0 and the development of complex algorithms for coordination in the form of online platforms that we would really start to tap into the new possibilities. This breakthrough has come to be called the platform revolution. As online platforms connecting vast numbers of users quickly move to the top of market capitalization, organizing significant sections of physical economic activity and taking over whole industries as disruption became the new buzzword. Platforms represent a major step in this transformation in that they are primarily composed of a network of millions of people coordinated via automated algorithms, while the centralized hierarchical human component shrinks to a small fraction of this. An information networked economy is one where the underlying technology, the flow of information and economic organizations become one. The next stage in this process of convergence and transformation is enabled by a new set of technologies as we are currently in the process of remaking the technology stack of the Internet, building what is variously called Web 3.0 or the decentralized Web, a primary component of which is the blockchain. This next stage of economic development will decentralize our economies and shift operations to global information based networks like never before. Web 3.0 is essentially a set of protocols through which people can connect to each other within peer to peer networks to conduct transactions directly and securely without the centralized platform as all share one common database. This offers the potential for radical efficiencies in overall productivity in creating one database that all have access to and can trust without depending on centralized authorities for authentication. Likewise, it enables direct peer to peer secure transactions that can be easily monetized, meaning that very small contributions or exchanges of value can now create revenue streams for the individuals creating them. On top of these protocols can be built smart contracts and applications that automate the operations of the network according to rules defined by their members. The distributed Web will enable people to set up their own networks for value creation and exchange independent of traditional centralized organizations. What we will see is that the blockchain is really the tool for moving the economy to become mediated directly through distributed Internet protocols and algorithms. The distributed Web that enables peer to peer secure automated exchanges of value will be a key component in merging Internet networks with economic organization. As the flow of information and economic value becomes closer to being one. This is the foundation of the networked economy. The fact that the means of production are widely dispersed within the population that people are connected horizontally peer to peer and that computerized systems can automate complex coordination within huge networks without large centralized management structures. As this infrastructure to the information economy develops, the default mode for economic activity is shifting from closed organizations competing in the market to open collaboration within networks. This changes the nature of the game and the rules of success as the emphasis shifts from the management of closed organizations to the development of open networks for coordination. A huge shift that is taking place today in the locus of value creation is the move from production from organizations to individuals and networks. In the past, organizational structures defined people's value. They gave things their value, whether this was governments giving money value or one's value ascribed by one's place within the hierarchy of a business. Networks coordinate people in a distributed way via market systems where people's value is defined by their interaction with peers. Value is not given by a formal organization, but instead is created by the individual and to greater extent owned by them being defined by their interaction with peers in the network. As the infrastructure of connectivity and automated platforms develops, it makes it possible to directly connect ever more people and ever more value sources directly into networks on a global level. New forms of value can be quantified and brought into exchange within token based networks, which creates multiple economies. The emerging token economy built on the blockchain enables us to expand market structures to new spheres using tokens to define social capital, natural capital and cultural capital. This greatly expands our understanding of what an economy is and does as it becomes reformulated as a distributed management system for any kind of value. Markets become the model for coordination that is aligned with the underlying structure of the distributed network. Work becomes no longer a single homogeneous thing, but instead a stream of many different value sources automatically aggregated and exchanged via platforms. One earns value from one's attention, from one's data, from one's loyalty to a business and many other sources. Work shifts from being linked to formal organizations as people can now participate in open micro exchanges of value and platforms come to connect people directly into the global economy like never before. The powerful engine of the microprocessor makes it possible to duplicate information at virtually zero marginal cost. When this is coupled with the capacity for telecommunications networks to transfer these copies to billions of people around the planet, this has major implications for economic organization. Duplication means that resources can be created once and shared many times at very low cost, greatly strengthening the common exchange and usage of resources. As a cause of this, the balance in the capacity for value production shifts from that of the closed organization competing to collaboration within ecosystems. We saw this with the open source software movement, where for the first time open collaborative networks were able to compete directly with closed organizations in the market. These open source projects tapped into a deep structural change brought about in the information economy, the capacity for mass collaboration on an original generic solution which then can be duplicated, adapted and plugged into many different organizations at low cost. The end result is a model that harnesses the power of abstraction, similar to the technology stack that runs a computer or the internet. The enterprise instead of creating things itself starts to plug into generic services provided by other organizations, bundling them into new services. In this way, they have to collaborate with many other organizations to harness the power of duplication at zero marginal cost. They become networks that aggregate the services created outside of the organization and offered on demand as a service. Creating a much lighter and more agile enterprise. Over time, this paradigm becomes extended to the whole economy as it becomes reconfigured based around a networked service oriented architecture that is designed to harness this new capacity of zero marginal cost duplication. This model radically reduces cost, dematerialized the enterprise and economy increases agility and reduces redundancies as the enterprise has to collaborate within vast networks in order to create synergies and deliver viable solutions. The traditional asset heavy enterprise gradually evolves over time into a plug in place services oriented platform model. The result of this is that there comes to be more value accessible outside of closed organizations than inside of them. The emphasis shifts from ownership within organizations to access to resources in open ecosystems and in these ecosystems, collaboration becomes the key to competitive advantage. Increasingly, the most valuable resources within society are outside of any single organizations boundaries. They are in networks, whether these are global supply networks for physical resources or the internet for information and ideas. Instead of focusing on internal processes, the enterprise comes to focus more on the management of external interactions. The success of the organization moves outside of the organization to the ecosystem instead of creating a limited number of products within the organization. The platform leverages the capacities of the network to create integrated service systems, aggregating small parts and stringing them together into seamless services wrapped around the experience of the end user. As the underlying technology develops and as the software platforms become more sophisticated, these networks morph into ever larger systems of global coordination. Through network effects, they power economic globalization, reaching ever further and ever deeper into the traditional economic structures of the industrial age and nation state. It becomes increasingly recognized that the wealth is in the network. Increasingly, economies come to be seen as platforms for the global economy, as exemplified by the trade-free zones of major urban centers in developing nations such as Shenzhen, Shanghai and Dubai. Once distributed technologies are available at low cost and people can access global platforms for exchange. The model for development switches from planning, centralization and stipulating specific ends to ensuring people have the means of production and access to these exchanges that enable them to coordinate peer-to-peer. In a distributed economy without centralized organization, markets become the core platform for enabling the process of evolution as they work to aggregate information, generate responses to the given context and perform selection on those options. But such a system can only operate sustainably to the extent that it aggregates all relevant information and thus incorporates a multiplicity of value systems, as made possible by the move into a token economy. An information economy stands in contrast to the industrial economy in that it is not a mass society, it is a dematerialized economy. This means a shift in the development model from centralization and mass production of physical resources to the development of systems through improvement in their internal design as innovation moves to the forefront of economic development. As smart systems come to commoditize information processing and the Internet of Things comes to connect up information systems to our industrial technology base, the knowledge economy emerges and economic development switches to an integrated process of research, develop, deploy, run and iterate in fast cycles. We create new ideas that are translated into models that become code, that reconfigure protocols and networks, which allow for the more efficient organization of people and processes through automated systems. In a world of innovation coming from everywhere on the planet, when everything can be copied and systems become more open, the half life of creating an organization based upon a value stream of some fixed technology or service is greatly reduced and innovation becomes a requisite for continued survival. As the pace of change increases, those who are not able to innovate get left behind faster and survival through sustained evolution becomes a new metric of success for organizations. In the paper, we go in depth in our analysis of this overarching process of change as it plays out at an extraordinary pace, transforming our existing systems of organization into the more complex form of the networked economy built on web 3.0 technology. You can view the full paper by clicking the link below.


Hi, this is your host up in Bhartiya and welcome to you for Let's Talk. And today we have with us Alex Freedland, co-founder and CEO of Merantis. Alex is great to have you on the show. It's great to be here. The big news is that you are returning to the role of CEO of Merantis. Most people may not know that you have been guiding the company through all these years in different roles like chairman and board member. But I want to quickly look at things from the perspective of a co-founder and someone who is returning to the role of CEO of the company. Let's just walk through the history lane. How much things have changed since the early days of Merantis, early days of OpenStack. And what role do you see of Merantis in today's modern world? Merantis was a services company. We're building infrastructure solutions for a lot of companies here in the valley. And that's where we started many years ago. But in 2011, if I'm not mistaken, we have pivoted into cloud. And the world knows this is a cloud company from that point on. And so I was a CEO when we just did a pivot. And then in 2012, Adrian joined as a CEO. I mean, he joined before, but he became a CEO. And he actually pioneered the early customers and our motion. And we did it together. We're the other co-founder Boris, whom I think you also remember. So this is a second time I'm coming in in the cloud world. And yes, the world is very different. Merantis is very different. And that's actually very, very exciting times. So when I compare the first coming, the debate was what is the role of open source? And if you remember, OpenStack was probably one of the largest new foundation that started. Linux Foundation was alive. And Linux at the time was a commoditization layer. So Linux was a technology that was built to give an answer to Sun microsystems and other proprietary Unix systems. And then a combination of Linux and commodity hardware from Intel actually ushered the whole IT revolution. So Linux was known to be a commoditization layer. And open source was just a cheap alternative to vendors in IT. And I think OpenStack and then Hadoop and big data vendors were the first ones who proved to the world that innovation can actually happen in open source. So it was a very beginning. And at that time, the debate was about innovation versus commoditization. And we, as Merantis, we pioneered this. We became the winner of OpenStack battle at the time. And then, of course, with Docker acquisition, more innovation, probably the biggest innovation in IT is containers that we're seeing in Kubernetes part of that wave. So nobody is debating today whether open source is about innovation. So Merantis is an established player. We have close to 1,000 customers who have Merantis as a baseline for their digital transformation. We have about a million people using our technologies for day-to-day Kubernetes and productivity and all that. And right now, the conversation is about how much innovation can one consume and how easily. Because there are so many communities. They're competing with each other. They're all very innovative. And today it's about how do you harness innovation in a way that companies can move fast and they can actually deliver on their outcomes. And this is the battle. And the conversation is no longer about whether it's innovative but how to do it fast enough and in a way that it can be consumed. Since you also mentioned Linux, there OpenStack there and, of course, Kubernetes today, one of the pain points that we see with Kubernetes is that as powerful as it is, and it was not meant to be easy, people do get overwhelmed with the complexity and you have a lot of initiatives to make things. You know, recently the CosmoTron and a lot of initiatives are there from Merantis side to ease that pain for developers. It's very important for just the way, if you look at Linux kernel, it's a complicated technology. The maintainers, they have to be very, very in-depth developers. Not everybody can become a kernel maintainer. But then there are a lot of vendors who do simplify things for us and it has become the de facto standard for building your infrastructure. So talk a bit about the complexity of Kubernetes and how Merantis is going to ease pain of developers' operators' teams. Very true. And Kubernetes is no different from any other major technology, right? That just develops, develops new use cases, develops thousands of people, tens of thousands of people are developing it. So every technology, even if it starts to be simple, becomes complex as time goes on. There are multiple ways to look at complexity. And traditionally, enterprise vendors would abstract complexity by creating vertical stacks, right? So that has always been the way traditional software was consumed. And big vendors, the likes of Red Hat, which is now IBM and VMware and all that, they just create the proprietary stack and you take the stack and it's productized. It has good user interface, it has all the use cases, and it's a wonderful way to consume things. The challenge is it by itself becomes complex because the stack becomes complex and it becomes expensive and it's a lock-in story. I mean, that hasn't changed. The other way to abstract complexity is through services. When you create and as a service experience and you give a simple way to consume it for each use case that matters, the complexity is hidden and it's managed by people who are delivering it. I mean, Amazon is really good at it. You can say that in AWS or in other public clouds, technology is very complex. But if you develop it as a service and you consume it as a service, it's greatly simplified and the experience is greatly simplified. So clearly as a service motion in software and in infrastructure is a way to abstract complexity. Now, the key to abstracting complexity though is how exactly do you do the service? If the service is done through services where you throw pee to the problem, it becomes expensive and slow. If you use a lot of automation to do this, then it becomes inexpensive, but potentially also slow unless that automation is very agile. And so what's happened? Mirantis took a path of abstracting complexity through managed service. We call it zero ops. And we've been very successful across our customer base to essentially deliver that level of as a service experience where our customers don't have to be in the infrastructure business. They can actually build things on top and they get an SLA from us for all of the operation. Not all of the customers are doing that, but a very large number of customers are actually moved to this level and they're very happy with that. So we've obstructed the complexity. In the last, I would say maybe a few years, there has been a lot of development in the community of smart adaptive operators and technologies that are declarative, that allows to actually manage the complexity and the speed of the ecosystem in a very simple and declarative fashion. And these tooling, they're available at Kubernetes as well, they're actually allowing us to, excuse me, they're actually allowing us to very quickly iterate through the innovation that's happening in the community and package it in exactly the way that our customers want. And I think if you look at what Mirantis is going to be looking at going forward, is actually harnessing this very layer of obstruction that will allow customers to consume that complexity but in a very simple way, but with the life cycle management kind of built in. So this is, again, a long answer to a simple question. We have been talking a lot about technology. Let's not talk about business side of it. Can you talk about what changed in the world, what changed in the market, the ecosystem, the open source world, the competitors or partners that Mirantis felt they needed this change to bring you back as the CEO of the company and can you also talk about what change are you bringing to the company? Last time I came, we were in the beginning of the creation of this specific ecosystem that we have pioneered. We were the co-founders of the foundation. We were eventually became the largest contributor to that technology and it allowed us to build the business and that was an early days of that particular motion.   We happen to make the bet successful. It put us on the map, but we were not able to pursue other ecosystems. So as you remember, container wave started and the best way to kind of see how mature companies are operating it, as OpenStack was still on the battle and container wave started, Red Hat started their second wave and third wave and they just had the resources with the Unix monopoly or Linux monopoly to actually play multiple games. Merantis didn't have the luxury to do this, so we ended up kind of missing that wave but then with an acquisition of Docker Enterprise, we became one of the largest container vendors in production, still are. So through an acquisition we were able to do that. Today, as a much larger company with 9-digit ARR, which is very, very profitable and growing, we have an opportunity not only to service and grow our existing customers and make sure we continue to build value to them in the motion that we've in the motion that we really perfected. This is one of our strengths. One of our major strengths is to be able to go to our customers and deliver this complexity in a way that they can truly rely on us and that's what makes Merantis who we are. So we have that and we'll continue to build on that. But also we have the resources, the engineering talent and the understanding of what the other waves that are coming that our customers and the market will need. So we have a luxury of making these investments and continue to apply the playbook of going where the puck is heading to actually innovate there, use the expertise that we have in packaging this to the right solutions and then take it to the market and to the customers. And that's what customers want from us and I think that's kind of the playbook that you will see us operate and talk about in the future. As you said, you folks paid a lot of path for a lot of ecosystem, the build the ecosystem. But for the new and unique challenges that you're seeing for yourself, for the company, the times have changed. These are the challenges that, yes, of course there are a lot of smooth sales but you're also looking at some of those challenges that you have to help Merantis navigate through them. So the market constantly changes and the larger players, as they become larger, they pretty much have to play the locking game because only the monopolies and channel and monopolies and technology give you the leverage that the shareholders typically require to be able to push. And we're seeing this with the consolidation acquisitions and the stacks are becoming a lot more strong and closed. So Merantis doesn't have the channels. We don't have the customer base that the incumbents do and that's always been a challenge that we had to do. So the message that we pioneered in 2011 and have been true to is the unlock story. One thing we cannot afford is to build our own stack to keep our customers fixed on that. So what we have to do is we have to go horizontal. We have to curate the pieces that are right and they work together in a high availability because most of our customers are using the infrastructure we give them in mission critical ways. It has to be working at scale. We have the world's most largest customers working at an amazing scale. And it has to continuously deliver innovation, so LCM. And we have to do it in a horizontal way without locking anybody in. So that is actually an extremely attractive value proposition for a large number of customers. Those who are maybe too large and they're spending a lot of money with incumbents and they have to spend that much money because of the legacy contract not because that's the value they're receiving. So they're looking around. There is the same thing happening on the public cloud where somebody who's been very successful in adopting public cloud finally got to a scale where the economics of working on the public cloud no longer makes sense and doing it exactly correctly on much more precisely optimized infrastructure and scale can give 5x, 10x savings and we have those kind of customers. And I think the larger the cloud native ecosystem becomes the more of those customers that will be looking for the type of solutions that I just described. And Miranda's as a result of the choices we've made in the technology that we've built and the approaches that we have is actually one of the best solutions for these types of customers and where we cannot of course go and out compete red hats in the things they're doing so well or VMware's or IBM's or their ecosystem. Those and same is true for the public cloud providers but there is ever growing number of very large customers who are actually looking for a solution that Mirantis has to offer. And the more successful the cloud ecosystem on those vendors are the more will be our addressable market in competing with those guys. And for our size and scale this is more than enough. So that's just on the infrastructure side. And as you're talking about some of these incumbents and building the whole stack when they're locking which also means that you have to also work closely with partners. So what will be the importance of the whole partner ecosystem for Mirantis and what is your kind of approach with building a very vibrant partner ecosystem so that folks because nobody wants to get logged in. So there are so many choices in the cloud native world and people want to be... I mean what's the point of having the flexibility of Kubernetes but fully opinionated. It just defines the whole purpose. So talk about the importance and what will be your approach towards partners and partnerships. So our view on partners is exemplified by our investment in Lens. And of course Lens is as I'm sure you know and it's been discussed you know Sean talked about it and others is the UI into Kubernetes. Kubernetes is becoming the standard way people run not just infrastructure but applications on top of infrastructure. Lens is a very, very convenient way to gain productivity. So it's actually a control plane into the user interface, user experience into the Kubernetes ecosystem. And the way Lens has been developed to begin with it has an ability to integrate components into it. Almost like you know Apple's App Store. And it was designed that way for a reason because we want you know if we are the entryway into the Kubernetes ecosystem and the user experience of that is something that we provide we want to make sure that other people who want to be part of that can actually integrate in this seamlessly and add those use cases and components. And we've built some of them there there are components for security there are components for you know the ones that we've actually acquired AppIQ which is the visibility into the applications and the like. And what you will see happening is more and more we will be opening Lens as a way to bring other partners and use cases into the ecosystem so people can the customers can actually use that but the vendors who bring point solutions can use Lens as a channel also to market and into our customers and we have today I think 20,000 or so enterprise customers using our product and million people are using it for development so as more use cases will come in that will greatly greatly increase and so this is an approach the control plane that we use to bring partnerships into the ecosystem Now this is a bit tricky question I'm not going to ask you about future plans or what is next on your acquisition radar but if you look at some of these acquisition that you folks made whether it's Lens or whether it's Docker Enterprise what's next first minute is what kind of company we are looking at as we peak into 2024 That's a good question and I have dreams and aspirations as a founder I remember incorporating it I can't even tell you how many years ago but I remember how it got incorporated and we paid a thousand dollars to a graphics designer in Oakland who came up with the logo that now changed colors and this is by the way this is Boris's legacy of more than 10 years old I found an old jacket but it changed colors and all of this but that same logo is still there so it's a thousand dollars well spent right and even imagining that here 20 years later we're talking about this and it's an open source story and alike we couldn't have imagined right so the way I think about what Mirantis can be is essentially the DNA of being innovative through community this is very important and then being open to the market the market moves and market momentum and the market always tells you what's happening right it always shows you where the next battle is and Mirantis needs to be a company that leads those market momentum and very importantly we are very much an enterprise company so we need to make sure that that innovation is delivered to our customers in the way that they can consume it and consumption models change but the innovation was always always happening right so I don't have an answer as to exactly how we're going to respond to this but this is the playbook that we've applied this is the playbook that actually Docker created right and that's part of Mirantis is Mirantis is proper now and we'll continue playing out this playbook and as we do that we'll choose larger market motions that can move the company of our size and of course we'll create space for then many spot solutions that will be required to make sure our offerings are ideal ideal to what the customers want so that's kind of a high level I don't know if it's an entrepreneur's view or a CEO's view or a founder's view but this is how we're going to approach this and then of course you have to walk the walk and it's execution that actually makes things happen so when I think about the last 20 years that Mirantis has been on this journey the world today is just extremely different from what it's been and the one thing that's been standard and constant for the market and Mirantis is change and Mirantis has been able to be agile and change not only change but lead the change for the customers that are looking to be agile and looking to actually change faster than their competition and I think that's the constant thing that is part of our DNA that will only continue and as change accelerates Mirantis will have to get better at that and this is the one thing that you know I'll promise you know to our employees to our customers is that the way we change the way we stay agile and the way we enable our customers to change faster and be agile this is the constant thing that we will you know continue to be excellent at Alex thank you so much for joining me today and you know of course talk about the history as well as the future of Mirantis thanks for all those great insights and I look forward to chatting with you again soon and I'm pretty sure that we'll be seeing you a lot thank you Neil thank you very much it was wonderful to speak with you and then