the CD game what did Nick say oh my god links awakening I played through that on the switch this year I hated every second of it man all right all right I didn't realize I didn't realize I would use this button more than one yeah get them out of here get them out of here they're not the scream as you left my favorite Zelda is fat is look that's what everyone wants to do when I when I tell people where I rank ocarina of time so this I I just happen to be in charge Joyce you're you're you're muted Joyce you're going off over there I'm my bad y'all I apologize um who said that they hated every minute of links awakening I just want to talk me it was boring five minutes the game was a fetch quest for items that I needed but it didn't explain where to get them here's a fun story that's like every Zelda game pre-breath the wild is awesome I don't like the ending because it's very at least I look at it like this at least Termina is still somewhere out there I know Miyamoto dream I don't believe no Terminus bye like um here's what I this is why I think links awakening is my least favorite um Zelda game and that's not because of the fetch quest or anything like that I've played all versions of this game and I really don't see where everyone's fascination or mystique with this game is it is a like at least like people like oh it's charming I'm like is it though and like it is it's it's a like it's a lesser version of a link to the past which also has some of the worst dungeon design in all of zola like you're gonna tell me that links awakenings in your top five when the game has eagle tower and I'm like excuse me oh god right too much done back here halfway I definitely it's definitely like I think it's I think it's not awful but I definitely don't think it's awful but I don't think it's like yeah you were like I would say it is I would say in terms of all the zelda games I would say it is a pretty air quotes mid experience but I mean that in the nicest way possible I gotta man dragged a link to the past through the mud in this I say links awaken is a lesser version of a link to the past that's why I don't think all right no he didn't have one of my margaritas honey he fucked up so look oh my god sorry that's unladylike but look one's in a chat if you like the cdi games we don't talk about the cdi game yo okay when are they playing the cdi games to switch though that's why I wanted to get spiritual successors maybe that the next thing that's coming out this year is there just okay um let's go ahead and kick nick with no k from the chat I didn't say I wanted it I just said maybe that's what they're gonna do okay I think I think why would you want that for us don't you love us I think it would be fun do we either bust a tier list out like right now what do we see I mean I do you want to be on that one yeah that'll be fun I'll be I I'm suggesting that would be a heavy debate on the tier list yeah wait a minute I have to defend link's awakening in this sense no you do no yes I yeah I do I do it's a great game it really is a great game and they get to sell and it and it pretty much is just like all the top down games from before um it's very classic Zelda it I like the dungeons it was I forgot which dungeon it was but it's the one where you fight the face and the face is like dude you do understand if you wake everything up you know what's gonna happen right oh spoiler cast I'm sorry let me just say you do understand we're not real right you know that's what broke my heart you're tripping right now yeah you are so want to ask the trip and that's what mario is taking in mario wonder coming down in a few months so the thing is is that it's that's what makes links awakening a little bit bitter sweet and a little bit forgettable is because it's not real I did what major's mass did it better major's mass did do it better that's not saying much it did a lot of things better than most games but terminal is still out there and thriving and doing their thing or no it's gone it's gone as as soon as link is still there no it's not no it's not terminal is gone terminal is gone and terminal is only tumor only exists because it was created by the power of the major's mask and yet terminal existed in flashback scenes before the skull kid got major's mask so how does that work no no no we only like that that part where he's like hanging out in the forest area outside of the swamp area it's implied that like oh this is just you know a different part of the lost woods that they didn't want to like recoder makeup for just a cut scene we're just gonna use this for like you know we have this we have this backdrop for right we might as well use it right and because remember he like um he carved the same thing that he was gonna that he carved at the end of the game and a stump within the lost woods but he carved it into like that hollow trunk that was like in front of yeah but it doesn't exist it's gone what we're witnessing in real time terminal is real in real time is this podcast could be a 72-hour long podcast because we could really we could literally that's what happens you get a bunch of zelda people do so that's i love that about the zelda fan base you wonder why there's so many zelda youtubers and zelda this and zelda that because dude when you get people passionate together talk about zelda man you can go all over the place but the original topic was the future of okay here i'll get us started on the future link to the past is the best one still out of the whole series here we go stop with the tear i think keeping it on topic i think one the next game is going to be very indicative of what's going out the timeline uh because it we'll see if they double down on like the secret stones and the zonai and like going that direction or if they go back to like oh well it's just the triforce and you know the goddesses and then the goddess i'll probably argue the secret zones vanished yeah like it it was all a dream even i would argue they're not even gonna talk about it exactly i didn't i'm gonna talk about it they're never gonna they're not gonna talk about it just like you know like they all zelda games are known for introducing concepts items and tribes to never talk to mom again but where's the magmas idea idea where's cat oh my god i want the why man because we're not going to see the next big news zelda probably for another five to seven years there's one thing in between to kind of hold us over there'll be maybe some dlc but also maybe that thing we keep talking about maybe we get a free time remake on the switch but one or the other right and maybe say for example we get an awkward time remake maybe they put in a little cameo if you look very carefully off into the distance in the clouds you might see a dragon which i i'm a mind like here's the thing the big awkward time remake that people want i don't think will happen because i don't think they'll trust anyone to do it right outside of the zelda team and i'm just going to take the zelda team's word of face value with what alnuma said we ain't looking back which means they are interested they interested in using that main zelda team to remake games so it's going to be whatever they can get grezzo or tanzler someone else to do and i just don't think what i'm not saying they're done with remasters they're done with remasters they what are they going to do next they're done with remasters they can have grezzo do more they're not i just mean they've remastered on 3d zelda's already get mercury steam to remake zelda to yes it deserves it thank you it deserves it thank you no what listen to this man that's first of all it is a good game and if you think it's a bad game and i hate to say this because i hate i just hate whatever skill issue yes skill issue i hate to say it is skilled games in the series like if you legit you watch like you watch a legitimately good player play it and you suck at it you're gonna be like what the yeah you can get good it is a highly skill based game they're cooking with it it is it is like it is there's there's some horseshit in it i won't lie but there is some stupid shit in pretty much every zelda game it's called chelus and there's anchorax but there's like beneath that there is a fun adventure that actually does a good job guiding you between dungeon to dungeon with its like hints contextual clues item gating and stuff like that and it's got one of the richest most challenging combat systems in any zelda game even though it's magic system and then there's that you get some fun magic spells today zelda is just a good game but it's underappreciated and and and it needs the metroid two treatment yep if that's what it needs also the map is cool because the section the section of the there's like a small quadrant of the map that that's just like the map of the original legend zelda which also is also technically the just the map of of Hyrule in breath all into the kingdom which implies that the actual world of zelda is like four to six times larger than what yeah it's like that whole landmass to the north across the canyon there you go there in zelda too you go there it's just out of reach i want to go back i'm okay with remasters but on the same note and maybe this is just the the the 80s baby and me talking um i feel like it's a time long gone it's a time long past let's appreciate it for what it was i'm glad it happened hence so i'm so glad it happened full from the ground remake full remaking i won't i will buy it but i don't need it but i will buy it and i will buy it i need it listen if i want to play ocarina time we don't need any of it if i want to play ocarina time i just gotta grab my 3ds i well i just want to go look if it's 3ds version is bad and i'll grab the 4 zelda games for like five six seven years no i want us to just say you know what zelda is now like mario it sells 20 to 30 mil spinoff time something to go all out with spinoff but give us all yeah zelda would spin off i was about to say zelda car i'm gonna say zelda car because i already put they already put that in mario car car goes zelda derby you're gonna ride race out of all school like like why can't we get a paper zelda spin off why can't we get like other there's there's so many other ways that you can use the zelda studios chicagame like stuff like that well yeah there was a chicagame pitch that had it when we yeah there was a second retro studios pitch that was like an rpg game that had like a party of characters you had like a gore on azora a rito and that sounded dope like that sounded so freaking cool it was like bro it was like a tactics like i think now is the time zelda is more popular or never let's go with the spin-off yeah retro retro studio also they could ride the the tactic fighter genre because that's like every game easy that's like every every big franchise has been coming like the what is it persona has won now uh final i mean final fantasy has always been kind of like that but they've all been like oh freaking mario and rabbits all tactical fighter whatever and i was just like uh you know i just if mario rpg can exist and be so beloved and such like a like a well regarded game why why don't we get a zelda one a zelda rpg because i won't play zelda too was well yeah but like you know like a modern day one modern day one all right guys i actually have to be out so i that's all right show ends in nine minutes either way so oh yeah i think joey's just decided to piece early no not actually but we lost but it's been super fun thank you so much for having me oh good yes i look forward to your video tomorrow i'll come to you in the tier list episode's gonna happen because that'll let me know let me guys anytime all right peace out everyone take care later so now oh man so no seriously like the future of zelda right like i i've been debating this a lot um internally about what they could do because there was a huge part of me that thought hey let's have a third game they're just gonna milk it because this is selling too well and then the ending we got happened and it felt so definitive it does feel really definitive like it doesn't mean something else can't happen they can make up anything something else happened and this zelda link have more stuff to do um absolutely nintendo can do what they want and you know we already know that uh the director has ideas for the next game anyways you already said hey i already have them like i kind of sort of know where i'm going to go with this so cool so what is that next game like where do they go from here because i think they it's gonna be open world we know that but that's like the only thing we know i think they try to find they try to perfect because like breath of the wild obviously had the dungeons and then they were improved in tears of the kingdom and there was much more of like an active story in tears of the kingdom so some of the things that people didn't like about breath of the wild they improved upon in tears of the kingdom but it wasn't quite perfect yet i think they just keep moving in that direction of figuring out how to balance everything and finally move away from having memories be a key part of the story and actually have it all be in the present i think they go that direction but with a different link and zelda i think we're done with this link and zelda because i played through that ending and that did feel very like we're done there is no loose end there's no oh well what if this thing happens like it's done yeah at least has to be an entirely new world i love just the kingdom i do and and maybe choose the kingdom is my favorite game of all time that's we'll see yours down the road i have to think about it replay it a few times and stuff but i do kind of feel that while they did do a lot the change around the world i also feel that if this was an entirely if imagine the like the the sheer breadth of this world if it was all totally new it would have been even better i would like to see them go to a new land like let's keep this this feels like a definitive high rule to me yeah let's not come back to this high like let's come back to this high rule someday down the line but maybe when the high rule has been fully rebuilt up we've never seen it fully built up so let's not so let's wait a thousand years or whatever it's going to be before we come back to a fully rebuilt one and for a game or two let's go somewhere new there's other lands out there there's other lands in zelda history let's let's go somewhere new or they pulled the zelda to move and we just come back to your high rule later and it's just one corner of the map mm good and and if the game and if my theory is true that it's a full reboot there's infinite possibilities high rule is just one section of a larger world that we've never never been to yeah that would be crazy that would be nice the crazy part is if they do that like how do you make a game that's four times bigger than tears of the kingdom well you don't have to really well but you also don't have to necessarily make it four times bigger like you don't have the depths and say you don't have sky islands but instead you have say actual islands like wind waker style but the islands are actually like half the size of a normal high rule and you have like five of them or six of them and people will be just happy with that like I think trying to be like oh we have to top the size of tears of the kingdom we have to top like I don't know you necessarily need to do that when it's all new yeah I do think we have to kind of hit a point where we either reach and like have a new incarnation of our characters uh to have sort of a reset on the story or we take these characters completely somewhere else out of high rule or or like both ideally but I think this is like the time where we wait till we have a new console where the hardware can maybe achieve even better things than what they've been able to achieve on on this admittedly uh you know old hardware and it's to me it's incredible what nintendo has been able to put on switch and especially this year like pikmin again is like is it gorgeous how does it look that good on switch um yeah so it's like I keep thinking um like if they wait till that next piece of hardware comes out like how good how gorgeous what how what mechanics can they optimize and make work I'll say this on a new console say this but pikmin all the pikmin games always look really impressive on every hardware they're on but a lot of the stuff that looks great is not interactable like it's just there you can't like like even even if you just look at the beginning of pikmin like you're in the house and the house looks really gorgeous well there's the pillow yeah but when you hit the pillow nothing happens it doesn't press it or anything it's not interactable so like they're just static objects that have just been real life scanned into the game so that's uh that's actually a common trick pikmin's been doing since the beginning doesn't mean it doesn't look good no it looks fantastic but that's the trick it's not it's just presented to you a high quality texture that was scanned from a real object for sure but I mean like but it looks good for for the kind of game pikmin is it works obviously yeah absolutely yeah I mean it's crazy like the switch is I mean if you look at primary master pikmin and tears of the kingdom like these three games are definitely like in the top 10 most impressive switch games maybe top five like it's just it's kind of a cool like I don't want to say it's the final year of switch right but you know we are I think we are close to the hardware the final four clothes yeah right so I mean when the switch to come switch is still being supported for a couple years but I do think this is the last Zelda made for for switch like I think that that's probably obvious unless they have some top down one they're dropping something like that yes but in terms of like an open-air Zelda that's going to be made exclusively for new more powerful hardware and you like and like even if they had like ps4 level power and I think it'll be a little bit better without because of modern just imagining what this seems to do with that kind of power yeah like oh I felt limited by that what do you mean you felt limited wait wait bro what are you doing now yeah like like horizon looks amazing but imagine if the zella team worked with horizon engine on that kind of hardware like we would be talking about a game that would just like they might not want to work with that engine but you know that I know what you I know what you mean I just mean in terms of yeah like the visual it's the visual quality and stuff yeah the visual fidelity of it like imagine this is all the game that can be to that level like from a technical perspective but then have that that level of interaction those physics involved and probably to another level because they're they're not going to just I'll say this find even more ways but maybe it won't ever look at that level because they are focusing on interactivity and a lot of the other games that look to that level don't do that and there's a reason they don't do it because they have that level of visuals takes away processing that you would need to have the interactivity and have it be smooth I'm not even talking about forbidden well I'm talking about the no no I'm talking about in general like I think about the interactivity of Zelda's world there's like hardly any AAA games that are like that anywhere counterpoint though all they need like I think they could stick with this art direction all they need is better hardware I'd like if you if you run Breath of the Wild on Simu okay um the game itself is unchanged but you're running it on on a more powerful piece of hardware yeah um the the the level of visual fidelity you can get the particle effects in the air the detail on the ground all of these things it is incredible and honestly the switch doesn't do the game justice uh because you can have like you can put ray tracing on it too and it's the amount of poppin you get on switch like when you just like just like run somewhere and look at the ground and I'm talking about my favorite games ever here so like I'm not a hater but I'm just saying like you know just run somewhere and look on the ground no they're doing poppin it's gonna happen it's hard to unsee yeah once you see it I try not to look down for that line because once you see it you can't unsee it yeah yeah I saw that a lot in the what is it glooms approach or whatever or something like that it looked at the ground and it was like it was flickering yeah for me now it didn't happen every single time because I went down there like twice so far I'm gonna play it again later but uh but I saw that like this like both times I went down there I was like and it was in the same spot and I was like and then it creeped me out because I was like there's bloom everywhere you know when you're when you're in the depths and you activate one of the the light the light roots the light roots yeah I can feast them with the with the seeds but yeah the light roots like there's a whole bunch of like um foilage like a little bit of grass around yeah you can see a whole bunch of new flowers and grass being added right in front of you so walk around it like you don't even they don't even need to add that much but they just wanted to like there's it's like you can tell they want to do more than what switch can handle yeah like it's very obvious if you're paying enough attention it's like oh they really want like the zeal the team wants better hardware like that that's sort of the thing it's like oh and me and for a couple oh we don't need better hardware and like I'm just sitting there like I played tears of the kingdom and it's amazing and I love it but you can tell things that team is doing where they're begging for you to give them something more powerful to realize their ideas are so big and they're so good at optimizing it but like I let you want to see what they could do with more power I think that I think they could do amazing things like that's the team at Nintendo that that can be like hey yeah we want we need more I think the next elder is gonna be on what even bigger oh no I just even bigger we're gonna go even bigger how about a base map that just one level wise is twice as big as I I didn't mean literally I just meant in terms of like hype like I think oh hi like that when we're getting when we see the I remember when we saw zelda for the first time yeah like that moment seeing that I'm waiting for that moment because we haven't had that moment in a while we're gonna get that if I had done Nintendo's marketing you would have had that moment for tears of the king sure but but even if we did like the hype for tears of the kingdom was real and just look at the initial launch sales it was massive and you could argue bigger overall in terms of sheer number of people hyped than the original breath of the wild but hardcore zelda fans were super hyped for breath of the wild and they maybe didn't get hyped in the same way but they were going to buy they're they buy zelda no matter what and though out of there was more players there was a much larger player base hype for tears of the kingdom but it might not have been as high of hype on an individual level but I will say this these were probably two of the most hyped zelda launches of all time and at least in modern history octavia time was was pretty high back in the day but the fan base was disjointed because there was the internet wasn't big enough yet to come connect us all together so these were like the two most hyped ever the two best selling ever when that next one comes on new hardware unless they do something to it which I can't put it past the zelda team to do something where they really some strange visual style that everyone's like wait what the fuck is that because they've done it in the past and it turns out like when windmaker it was a really great decision and I love it but also at the time all zelda fans were like what the fuck are you doing the zelda excluding windmaker has ever been an art style that fans were like majority against not that I can think of no that was that was the big one zelda zelda two's drastic difference was another one that zelda fans were again yeah there is a way that they could present a new game that could make like we're hyped for it and then we're like oh that's not what we thought well I think they're smart enough with what they did with these two games that clearly showed it which here's the kingdom that like hey we're not going to do that again we're not stupid we're not going to ruin the popularity of zelda by going in such a drastically um obtuse thing from what what what people love now that we're going to push them off and I and I think you are right that when this one hits it's going to be the first brand new zelda game in another five six years it's going to be on brand new powerful hardware after we just saw what they could do you know five six years ago on old hardware and I think when they show it and it's crisp and it looks amazing and even if it's just a teaser like they did for breath of the wild right like the initial the initial teaser that teaser will blow us away we're yeah it is going to be trending if I don't know x is still going to be around to be trending on whatever social media platforms are popular at the time for literally until the thing comes out for neck the next three to four because what they have done now and I look so the games are coming out my whole life breath of the wild was an event here's the kingdom was an event this next one's going to be an even bigger event than those two can let's let's put us in the perspective for a moment because yes each game has taken a long time right um they I mean like skyward sword came out in 2011 that's great we're gonna get breath of the wild until early 2017 and then we had to wait until early 2023 right like that's that the gap is huge between those games but we you came out in 2012 and switching we are fairly close there are some bottlenecks we you had but in terms of power they're they're comparable they've basically been making a zelda game for hardware from 2012 in terms of like capability like obviously they're I'm taking some liberties here but you understand my point when we do get that next zelda like there is going to be a substantial leap it's gonna be a generational leap like it's going to be significant uh and it's I can't wait for I can't wait to be told it looks like a ps3 game by people who never played a ps3 game yeah there's a ps3 game to look really good absolutely still to this day but also like come on I wanted to say something real quick I think with the first zelda one and zelda two um well zelda one and links uh adventures wait what was it Nate like some like that the first two zeldas y'all I'm old yeah adventure zelda adventure the adventure of link thank you the adventure link it's like how the why not I was like why are you referencing me all right because it's zelda two got it yeah because I know it's one of your favorite but the thing about it is I kind of feel like at the time that was the zelda team saying you can go with this or you can go with that and it's like okay you want to go with this and that's why we got a link to the past which is my favorite gaming I will fight you if you say that it's terrible okay or bad or say anything negative about it so but seriously I think and that's kind of where what kind of set up our our quote-unquote classic games and breath of the wild is really really what Miyamoto wanted if the technology um had been attainable at the time for breath uh for zelda one that's really what he wanted he wanted this huge world where all you do is explore and there's monsters and there's things to do and things like that tears of the kingdom is what we wanted which is nothing but game and depth and decent story and things to do and I mean like I said I clocked it at five five hundred and thirty hours and I was not trying to blow through the game at all and that's not even all the Koroks so saying all that when we could talk about new hardware and all that other stuff I kind of have a little bit more faith in the business side of of Nintendo than the creative side because the creative side is up kind of in a way it said to me to me um we can do what we have to do on whatever hardware we have we're going to make it amazing we're going to make it fun the fans are going to go nuts it's going to sell I think on the business side they're like yeah but everybody's screaming that they want you know more power more power more power which then just makes the creative team say okay then we're going to put in more stuff more guys I am not a tech person whatsoever I can barely work my work computer so I'm I hope you can kind of fill in the blank blanks with whatever gigabytes and terabytes and floppy fights and boss fights and whatever bullshit you can put in there so what I'm saying is I I think from the business side they may do bigger hardware but I don't think that that's necessarily what their goal is it might just be kind of like I feel like the fans made tears of the kingdom I kind of feel like the fans are going to be the ones that say okay you guys want more power fine bam here's your $500 system you're going to buy it of course we are but yeah yeah right it's a little bit of old brain talking I'm not so I I think um like the Tendo does you know that does things the way the way they do it right they Nintendo yeah but I mean that's the most accurate sentence I've ever heard is Nintendo does things the way they do it exactly you can put that in so many contexts and it works Nintendo will always Nintendo my point is that you know and given that it's kind of like it's sort of interesting like so the game to Wii was like a kind of like a minor leap then to Wii U was a significant leap and then Wii U to switch is kind of like a minor leap if there's a pattern we're going to get more of a major leap this time but also mobile technology has been improving and this next system is going to be is going to be a pretty big jump now big jump it could be like ps4 range which is already kind of an old system but when Nintendo has that kind of power they just tend to do more with it like they just there's a lot they they get a lot more bang for your buck because of what they can do so oh yeah I'm not saying I need the file sizes of triple A games it's crazy yeah like like you got these games that are like I don't even I can't even quantify how big like 50 gig games that are on like ps4 think 150 and think about smash ultimate yeah think about how how high quality the textures are how much music is in the game how much characters in the game how much files are in the game that game is huge but it fits on a cartridge yeah and I remember there was an interview with sock right a little ways back and he just made mention that Nintendo has incredible incredible technology when it comes to fitting things down that they know how to do it they they do yeah here's the thing too is that like people are bringing up in the chat for example like ps4 ps4 pro levels of hardware and stuff and I'm thinking like even companies like Microsoft and Sony aren't even taking advantage of the hardware that they have on the markets right now which is why most games that are that are being released for ps5 are also being released still on ps4 because I think that just game design is not that the the level of hardware that that's coming out these days is just above what is reasonable to make a video game to the standard of do you know what I mean like there are exceptions there are still games that are like ps5 exclusive that are not on ps4 but most ps5 games you can play just fine on this like 10 year old hardware because just like game game design that like that is just like not out of place well I love how like they're bringing rift apart to uh to a pc and they're just like yeah you don't need an ssd anymore to play this game yeah they made a big deal about how you absolutely this game's impossible without an ssd and it's like no it's better with one but it's not it wasn't impossible that was just a fib to sell hardware yeah so I don't know just like thinking again what nintendo can do with this this hardware they're working with now even just giving them ps4 level of hardware yeah it's old hardware I know but like also most powerful and incredible yeah they can also do incredible things with it um that would make more probably visually stuffing and more fun and this is why people want nintendo to go third party I'm just going to know what you're saying right now because they want nintendo's talents that have unlimited hardware access right sure I mean I'm not saying I want that but there there is something to the idea of having limitation limitation does for force you to be creative and think of ways to make it work with I think it also the nintendo's development teams are so good because they've always had to work within limitations rather than having unlimited power all the time because I think that's led to a lot of the industry problems that exist where games aren't optimized as much and I know there's a lot of budgets and stuff that go into that too but um having limitations I think spurns some creativity like would would she was looking to be as inventive if they didn't have to work with their limitations I don't know and then that goes well then with the next harm no that's a harm because maybe they want to go beyond it's I don't know we don't know what's going to happen the future is is wild and nintendo is in a good position please don't mess it up now did we talk about dlc I'm sorry we briefly got to it but we actually have to wrap the show up before I'm sorry you know I'll talk about it in trouble I'm the one that's going to get in trouble if I if I look I could keep going this is dlc this is although I could be talking no yes no yes wait well how many votes do we have oh wait I'm back and I'm I'm on the fence will there be deals that's that's the question yes yes I'm on the fence yeah I think I think it's too much for kaskal for them not to so we have four four yeses and two noes but you know what there's one more no than I expected nick you said yes I thought you were saying no I said no you said no oh okay but I said I'm on the fence am I the only one I said no I said no oh okay okay I've been I've been saying no will hmk also said yes earlier so well he's not here he also said link should uh should be with midna so he also said links awakening was a bad game I love the guy he was spoiling a manga he wasn't he wasn't trying to say he's just saying what happens in the month hey listen everyone actually said by the tender to be non-canon anyways but everyone's vote counts for unfortunate this is true I'm on I'm on the fence because I can make an argument for why we should get dlc and why we couldn't and Nate knows that I will say I'm just a researcher just try to say oh everyone's vote counts for one I think my channel's name is I'm the name of this podcast I might come for two it's still before the three either way how do we kick Nate from the chat we start our own podcast obviously I know I know and by the way I know a majority of people are really excited for potential DLC it's just until it's announced doesn't exist in my mind and typically DLC would be announced already so you could argue that that's the point against DLC but then some DLC happens later if we get to the end of the year and haven't heard anything about DLC I'll say it's not happening I don't agree with that I agree because I will I have said that if they do DLC I think the the best way for them to do it is to use it to transition to the next hardware yes so that's why I'm kind of like there could be DLC I don't think there will be DLC you can only play this DLC how many years Nintendo switch pro after Mario Kart 8 deluxe's release right if they announced a totally different thing I'll tell you what I'll tell you what years of the kingdom still 16 million units in the next couple of years they will release DLC like three four years later the transition to the next Zelda game I think if you get past this September and December and there's still nothing then it's definitely not happening that I agree with now that I I do it look it's two comes out and still not been announced you know it still might happen don't worry I'm just all right all right all right we can keep going forever as I said it's a never-ending conversation one thing one more thing okay so wait one more thing oh also after that one more thing all right so after so this is the third to last thing Oracle of Ages and Seasons that's awesome right yep um is that the Zelda thing that's not related to the kingdom that Jeff was alluding to I don't think so because don't we already know what's coming they were now already announced yeah I don't think that was it we knew yeah we're coming yeah I agree but is it possible we're getting a remake and that's the thing that Jeff is talking about well that he's gonna he doesn't know and we'll know on the next last of the Nintendo probably make some off-handed comment and no I wasn't Oracle would they drop the game on nso to begin with if the remake was coming because like they did that have an awakening didn't they after links awakening came to nso after oh was long yeah because I don't think adding oracle season oracle of ages suddenly we have millions of people signing up to subscribe I just I don't think it's moving the needle at all I don't want people to not buy the remake because they're like why can't just play the original it's already yeah the people who play the original I love the original would absolutely buy the remake I don't I don't think that's a deterrent I know that and you know that do they know that Nintendo knows they're not done but I mean here's the thing it's all it's probably topping out 34 million sales anyways um let's let's just get to the the wrap up here otherwise we'll be at this for another 10 15 minutes so uh flam where can people find you I mean at your everything's linked below we want to tell people who you are more they can find yeah no uh so you can find me primarily on twitch.tv slash flam tomorrow we'll be live with Pikmin 4 and then Friday I do stream with my own podcast crew we do like a game we're starting to do gaming segments and then I have a podcast called the boost of you podcast if you follow anything that's mine today please follow that podcast there's my passion project right now yeah on x oh yeah I always oh yeah oh yeah my schedule yeah I put it out on um I'm still calling on twitter I put it on there on discord all but yeah anything me someone literally I forgot to turn that off the alert just went off someone just turn the channel baby let's go Kat Bergeson what are you got going on who are you working to find you oh my gosh uh I'm Daniel I'm Kat Bergeson you can go check out my channel if you want to see somebody talk about a single dungeon in a Zelda game for 30 minutes straight 50 times because that's the kind of videos I make it's amazing and they're all good wait for his next tears of the kingdom theory video gonna be a banger you did a link to the past you're my best friend I'm still working through the link to the past dungeons for those videos but they're coming along nicely a new one comes out next Friday actually uh which is august 4th I also stream every wednesday and saturday wednesdays are always zelda days we stream so right now obviously we're streaming tears of the kingdom obviously but uh saturdays are just like whatever whatever else I feel like playing so lately also that's Pikmin but you know it'll be other things when I finish that game so that's me stream on twitch or youtube on youtube because twitch is sometimes occasionally stinky yeah i started on i started on twitch so that's why i'm still there yeah um all right nick wouldn't okay who are you working they find you mr nerdy podcast i'm nick um you can follow me on twitter at nerdy is nick i tweet stuff all the time just about random stuff yes you can also follow my podcast the nerdiest podcast we talk about movies and tv shows uh sometimes video i subscribed i saw that thank you i know i was like why am i not subscribed i was just watching an episode we also two big things coming up uh one is next week so next weekend i'm going to meet my co-host in person and we are recording our 100th episode which comes out the following Monday hype and crazy for like a little teaser because it's not officially announced yet but a little teaser for everyone who's here we are doing our own nerdiest podcast direct on monday and we have all kinds of cool stuff to announce um you also might have gotten a little peek at my hat um so we got a lot of cool stuff coming out um and that's one of them so on monday i think it's 12 15 p.m central time we're dropping our second nerdiest podcast direct which i'm really looking forward to so that's gonna be sweet as i'm sitting there i'm like man you're doing it in person i start to think how many weeks ahead till my 100th on season two and flying everyone out that's a little more complicated it's just the two of us well maybe you always have eric at least yeah you know that'll be the one week he can't come for some reason of course of course um all right andres restart who are you what are you guys going on where can we find you um i'm andres you can find me in space that's where i usually am mentally um yeah so i make nintendo videos including zella theories and speculation about just nintendo in general uh today i put out a little metroid video kind of debating if there's going to be a physical version of the rumored metroid prime two echoes i don't think it's a given because metroid prime two sold less than metroid prime one but uh we'll see check it out and uh tomorrow there there may be a zella theory video so uh look out for that nice i love the zella theories and joey cj look you're a moderator you're a super fan where can they find you at dj joey c on twitter um i'm just an old lady who loves video games zella's my my favorite friend uh series and um of all time really but i do like my other ones i do love mario i do love bayonet a lot um octopath is what i've been playing so or what i'm going to be getting back into and i'm always down for a good split in match joey c streams when we want to see that we want to hang out have margaritas come on margarita saturday now every saturday you got to give the people what they want oh no i'm coming to nate's house uh to nate's stream and i'm just gonna crash from now on look we have room we have room because i've been following him for so long that he he was like okay god you call me and talk to me about zelda like i'm discord every single week it's like every week it really is and it's gotten crazy so just come on our spoiler cast and so now i just know that um i can just crash and i'll and we can always have margaritas margaritas are great i'm gonna give her the stream key and let her go let her go just give her the stream key yeah do you need to ask so much yeah we need the key like tell me when you want to go i'll set it up you just dream have fun yeah and you and then i'll be the guest for you i will guest call in and if we make any profits you get to keep them you can drink for me i like that there you go there you go night off a drink in but i still make the money and say i like this but yeah this sounds like a pretty cozy arrangement for me yeah yeah it works out great that works out great unless we start hitting mr beast numbers then i want half but until then well do we start hitting we started in those kind of numbers you don't worry about nintendo i might be worth more than them then we'll make that zelda movie we'll just rename on the locations and characters it's fine they do have alternative names for a reason but there is there's a canonical reason for the reasons or no really it's an actual reason like in the story like there's a reason their name is certain thing and then there's a reason why they're linked zelda as well that's it you don't see this i like to write i'm i'm a nerd happens yes all right well thank you guys for tuning in i am nathana relegence otherwise known as nintendo prime you can catch the nintendo prime podcast everywhere podcast i heard you can support the podcast directly through patreon.com slash nintendo prime otherwise guys it's been real it's been fun we'll be back next week we got some bro nation coming back lots of hype one of the og six pack coming back and i don't know who else maybe eric where who that what's the topic next week do we even know i don't have i don't know more zelda stuff there is there is one thing i have an idea for a topic for you but i haven't decided yet so i mean when they don't switch to next week that'll be the topic so thanks no you talk a lot about you okay if they do if they if the very off chance they do i'm gonna be in seattle but if they do i will i will get my laptop out or i'll be on my goddamn phone yeah hey didn't nate say something like if they announce switch to this year then i get like a whole dedicated video because i've been on the 2023 train i don't know i remember hearing that somewhere yes i think that's a great idea i think it's announced yeah i that is absolutely true nick i didn't tell you i think september direct we get it 100 hey nate if they if they announce switch to you on some ridiculous time frame like next week i think we should go back to our to your tattoo idea and we should both meet up in wisconsin and go get tattoos the funny thing is i didn't clear this idea with yulia but she has wanted me to get a test she has wanted me to get a tattoo i just don't know that the name of the system is the you have to get a name whatever the name is whatever it's system name oh my god in a cute place where everybody can't see it you just take a picture of it in a cute place i have plenty of tattoos and nobody knows that i'll have to i'll clear it should be like she'll just tell me yes but then i need to get the tattoo she wants me to get on top but you have to remember the switch to is not our pro or nx64 super any whatever the brick it is it's not being announced it's not gonna be a super long name and i can do a band around the arm yeah but it's not going to be next week it's going to be at a reasonable time it's going to be a reasonable time next week might be reasonable if it's next week i'll shave my head if it's next week i will shave my head the first week of august like right on the second here we go oh i will say it has been a slow news week the last couple weeks so yeah well that's true you know well we think that's a big deal nintendo that's like nothing yeah they release games every month i really i still think it's sometime september pikey i mean we don't have a game for august or september we were told the directs happened in september because of course there is but see the nintendo live in the games com happens right away in september like it's literally like the first so i'm like you know there's something they have to show there beforehand it has probably what it's gonna be it's gotta be in august if they're gonna have hardware it's gotta be announced in august august or bus yeah hardware and august or bus august or bus maybe one's games august or bus for 20 games com is uh let's see here games comd it's like labor day weekend right uh it is the end of august so august 23rd to the 27th and that leads right into packs west and that's the deadline oh my god and they have nintendo live this year what if they announce the system and then show it off and we got three weeks guys three weeks to announce if it doesn't happen then it's not yeah it's not then it's out this year i believe nothing i'll accept defeat after that point yeah if it's not out if it's not announced by september i've done of course the moment i say i accept defeat they'll announce it right after that week after all that fun stuff ever like oh yeah here's i want to punish myself because i was wrong month and a half later actually by the way you pretty much were right you're just just right yeah we wanted to shadow drop we just committed to the holidays so well i don't think you thought it was gonna be shadow drop like nobody thought it was that was being shadowed was a big is a console been shadow when's the last time a console been shadow dropped a console ever has there ever been one ever one of the sega systems i think was okay that'd be oh yeah they like three failed yeah one of them was shadow dropped imagine the machine doesn't release like saying you they had a lot of peripheral or add-on stuff yeah all right well thank you guys so much for tuning in uh we'll have to do this again sometime and it's been a lot of fun see you guys later thank you guys bye


So in a beautiful world things would be fine now. We would have our free energy and we could use the free energy to study absolutely any system. Unfortunately the real world is not necessarily as beautiful as we might hope. If I put my physicist hat on myself for a second, as a physicist I love to study isolated systems. I already mentioned that. So here's a system and by isolated I mean that it's not really it's not exchanging anything with the outside. It's not exchanging particles and I'm not changing the shape of it or anything. So the only thing that will go out or in of this system is heat energy in terms of heat. That means in the system I have my free energy f equals e minus ts. Now if that was the real world things would be simple. The only problem in the real world things aren't that simple. Rather it is that simple but there are very few systems we could study that way. So let's take my chemistry hat instead. Now I'm a chemist and a lab rat here. Here is the chemist system and I call this system but imagine me sitting here and holding a beaker or test tube. Sure I too am exchanging energy with the rest of the world that happens all the time if I put this on a Bunsen burner or if there is a reaction happening that's heating the room. But what if I'm solvating a salt or something the volume might actually change because I have a test tube right it's open. So if the pressure is changes it can adjust the volume up and down. So here I'm going to need to account for the fact that my system might become smaller or larger because I'm performing either I am performing work on the outside world if I'm expanding or I let the outside world perform work on me if I'm contracting the system. To the physicists this is a royal pain in the A. To a chemist that's come on you don't have a real world unless you can describe this. So we know exactly how much work it takes to change how much work it takes to change the volume of the system V. That's the pressure multiplied by the volume so the chemist is quite happy. We have a way to describe this leave some space here. So here I'm going to say that this is the work I do here is E plus PV minus TS.  Let's call this G and this factor its energy and volume occasionally we call that H and the word for that would be enthalpy. So note S is entropy H is enthalpy. So enthalpy describes the internal energy of this system plus the pressure multiplied by the system's current volume and that including that will account for the fact what happens if I change the volume of my system. Now if the world was good we would all be very careful and say are we using F or G. They actually have names too. The physicist would say that this is the Helmholtz free energy and the chemist would rather say that they're working with the Gibbs free energy. Occasionally we use A as a letter for the Helmholtz free energy too. F and A there on that side G on that side it's a simple and beautiful world right? Well if it wasn't for the fact that occasionally chemists are sloppy and we use F for this one too sorry why on earth are we that stupid? Well it turns out that for most reactions let's say that I'm salivating one I'm having one protein molecule fold. The volume change of that system is going to be one part in Avogadro's number. It's completely negligible so that short technically formally it is correct that I have to include the PV term here and everything. In practice I very rarely calculate the absolute values of things and if I'm only calculating a delta a change the delta in the PV term is going to be so small that I can't always say that it's zero. Again not for any chemical reaction but for reactions if I'm salivating a protein or breaking a hydrogen bond or something and that means that you will occasionally see even me write F equals H minus Ts or F equals E minus Ts sorry just deal with it you need to understand the difference between these you need to understand that you're occasionally having A if you're just seeing a value and you believe that PV might important that's when you should ask your colleague so wait a second you mean the Gibbs or the Helmholtz free energy here sorry the world would be better if we were perfectly standardized but in practice we're scientists only humans


Good evening, and thank you for joining us tonight. In a moment, we will go to our study. You will see that we will not have a bulletin, but we'll go directly to our teaching and then we'll conclude the teaching with a few words of encouragement to you who are viewing our services online. Please take the opportunity of letting us know that you're watching, and if you desire to give an offering, you can do so online. If you're watching us via computer, click on the give button in the upper right corner of your screen. If you're watching on your mobile device or iPad, click give under the menu button. If this is your first time giving digitally, follow the instruction under four ways to give to process your gift. You can also mail your checks to 1-2-2-0-5 North Pipeline Avenue, Chino, California, 91710. And remember, you can still come in and use the kiosks we have in the foyer that are set up to process gifts, or you can place your gift in an envelope and hand it to one of our receptionists in the foyer. Thank you. And with that, let's get into the teaching. Chapter five here in Song of Songs are also known as Song of Solomon. And basically, I could have called it Honeymoon's Over, because that's what we're looking at. We're looking at conflicts, because there's going to be a conflict here between the Honeymooners. And so we'll look at that together. But we'll begin at verse one here, and I'll read that, because verse one actually is part of chapter four. They who put in the chapters and all could have left verse one there as a conclusion of chapter four, because this particular verse actually goes along with that. And then verse two is going to give to us something different. But verse one says, I have come to my garden, my sister, my spouse. I have gathered my myrrh with my spice. I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey. I have drunk my wine with my milk.  Normally in a in a situation of marriage, during the time of Solomon, the Honeymooners, the husband and wife would have a place of privacy, a time of consummation of their marriage vows. And at the conclusion of the consummation in terms of their physical intimacy, the groom would come out and he would announce that that particular portion of their their marital relationship had been accomplished. And that's basically what you're seeing here in verse one. And the first portion when it says, I have come to my garden, my sister, my spouse. I've gathered my myrrh with my spice. He's basically announcing that their marriage has been completed, their intimacy has been consummated. Then he goes into the place where the guests are banqueting.  So that was basically a blessing. And he's pronouncing his blessing on those who are there. So verse one actually went with chapter four. Verse two gives to us something new to look at. And basically what we're looking at is conflict. And that's what we're looking at as we look at these verses. So in verse two, this is his bride. This is the Shulamite who is speaking, Solomon's wife. And in verse two, she says, I sleep, but my heart is awake. It's the voice of my beloved. He knocks saying, open for me, my sister, my love, my dove, my perfect one.  I'm sorry, I just feel impulsive sometimes to do things like that. He doesn't say that. For my head is covered with dew, my locks with the drops of the night. And so what we have is a different setting here right now. And we have the first conflict in their marriage. Now, as we look at this, let me lay a foundation, if you will, an introduction. Obviously, you've heard me say this before. It's been said every wedding is beautiful. It's the living together afterwards that is difficult. And what we have here is the first conflict. Obviously, every every relationship has times of conflict. Just because the two have become one doesn't mean that we don't retain our own personalities. Each one of us continues to have opinions and preferences. We have our goals, our perspectives. We retain our personal ideas. Marriage doesn't wipe out our upbringing. It doesn't change our culture or language differences that we might bring into our marriage. We bring into the marriage our personalities and we bring into the marriage our religious beliefs and faith as it is related to marriage and working together. We bring all of those things. We have our preferences and we all have good reasons for holding them. You know, when people get married, it could it can actually amaze that person that their wife or their husband doesn't see things as clearly as they do. You have this attitude like, why don't you see things my way? It makes so much sense to you. You would think that everybody would have the wisdom to know that you're right. That's what happens when you get married. When Marie and I got married, we honeymooned a place in San Clemente called the San Clementean. And then the next two days, we went off to Crestline and we stayed in a friend's cabin. And I was amazed. I was amazed that Marie got upset because she was cooking dinners every night while we're there. I was amazed at that. Why are you so upset? I mean, isn't that what wives do? And she's saying, it's my honeymoon. And I'm thinking, so what, you know? I'm hungry.  It made no sense to me whatsoever that she thought, well, I should take her out for dinner. Are you kidding me? I took you to the jack-in-the-box on our wedding night. What else do you want? Come on. Don't be so demanding. So conflict happens. And it can happen immediately. But we know that the honeymoon is a time when in marriage, people get to know one another more intimately. That's what's supposed to happen. And it's supposed to be a time that's uninterrupted by outside distractions. That was actually part of the law that God gave to the nation of Israel. In Deuteronomy in chapter 24, verse 5, it says, when a man has taken a new wife, he should not go out to war or be charged with any business. He shall be free at home one year and bring happiness to his wife whom he has taken. It was believed that when a man had recently been married, his mind would be on his wife. So on the battlefield, he wouldn't be able to concentrate on his duties because he'd be thinking of her. And what he was to do was he was supposed to give her a full year of bringing happiness to her. And he would do so by dedicating himself to her and enjoying her without distraction. It was their honeymoon. It was their time. They're seasoned together to get to know one another and develop a solid foundation for the marriage. Honeymoon. We're all familiar with that. Term, it's a word that we use. We say they got married, they're on their honeymoon. But you can have disagreements even in your honeymoon period. Now, honeymoon literally speaks of a sweet month. Most people don't really spend any time wondering why did we even get the term honeymoon. But that's what it means, sweet month. And the origin of the term honeymoon is really a mystery. But there are beliefs that it stems from marriage practices of days long before they were wedding ceremonies such as we celebrate. Instead of having a public marriage right, a man would very often simply kidnap his bride. And then they'd go into hiding with her. He'd go into hiding with her for a period of time until her possibly enraged relatives stopped looking for him. While in hiding, the newlywed couple would supposedly drink a special type of wine made from honey. The period of hiding traditionally lasted for a month. Half time for the moon to go through its phases, hence the name honeymoon. Even to this day, many couples keep their honeymoon plans a secret. And so what you have here is you have the honeymoon, but you also have something that goes along with marriage and that is a conflict. Obviously conflicts are to be expected. They ought to be prepared for because they're inevitable. You have two rivers that are meeting and they produce turmoil and all the stuff that's on the bottom will come to the surface. But as the river flows further downstream, it calms down and the junk that's been brought up to the surface eventually will sink. And so you need to expect it. You got married, two different people got together and there are two separate rivers that are joining together. And as they join together, they bring in their own baggage. That happens. That's what happens. Really seeing it today where people are waiting longer to get married. They're going to have more baggage that they bring into their relationship, more things that they think are the way it should always be and it's always been done this way. My mom and dad got married when my mom was one month past her 17th birthday. My dad was 20 years old. They didn't bring in all kinds of baggage that somebody who's in their mid 30s will bring in. It's just logical. It's just a fact. The longer you live without being married, the more things you think are right. Then you get married and you end up having conflicts because of those things. Obviously, we don't live in denial. We just need to be expecting conflict and we need to be prepared to deal with it. You see, eventually the honeymoon glow will disappear and the daily business of living does begin. The wife discovers that her brad pit is actually Homer Simpson. But the husband discovers that his Jennifer Aniston is actually Hillary. So I mean, there's a... That was good, huh? I like that. I didn't even have to say the last name. You knew what I was talking about. You discover that you didn't marry the perfect person. So what you end up with is conflict and they actually do begin, obviously. They can start because one or both of the people are feeling wronged or they can begin to experience conflict because they're misunderstood. They can begin because you begin to feel taken for granted or unappreciated.  It seems, in this particular portion of scripture, that that's how the Shulamite is viewing her husband Solomon. Notice again, verse two, I sleep but my heart is awake. It's a voice of my beloved. I knock saying open for me, my sister, my love, my dove, my perfect one, for my head is covered with dew, my locks with the drops of the night. And so the Shulamite is in bed, she's half asleep. You see, during this time the husband and wife might have different bedrooms and he's made his way to hers. It's obviously early or late at night at least because it says in verse two, Solomon speaking, my head is covered with dew, my locks with the drops of the night. So it's late at night or early morning. She hears a knock at the door, basically it's hey baby, open up, it's me. Well what's her response? Well she says, I was asleep but my heart's awake. Maybe she's restless. Maybe she's unable to sleep soundly or it may be when she says my heart is awake, it may be that she's speaking of Solomon who is her heart but it appears that Solomon wants to be with her. But she's not in the mood. She was asleep. And in her mind she may be thinking, well if he wanted to spend time with me he could have come home earlier. Where's his consideration for me? And he doesn't care that I need to sleep. Now he's in the mood for love and he expects a response just because he asks. So what is her response? Well verse three, I've taken off my robe. How can I put it on again? I've washed my feet. How can I defile them? In today's terms I have a headache. I've been asleep. You want me to wake up and be with you? Are you kidding me? No way. Now at this point he's making demands and she's insisting on her rights. Now when you read this they're both right and they're both wrong. Her anger is simple. I stayed up late waiting for you. You didn't show up. Now you want me? Too late. I've been, I'm in bed. Now in chapter two verse nine you have to ask the question whatever happened to when she said my beloved is like a gazelle or a young stag. Whatever happened to that? Nope. She's upset. And so when she's saying I'm not available, verse four, she goes on to say, but my beloved put his hand by the latch of the door and my heart yearned for him. So she had an awakening. She started thinking, oh I ought to go to him. I arose to open for my beloved and my hands dripped with myr. My fingers with liquid myr on the handles of the lock. I opened for my beloved, but my beloved had turned away and was gone. My heart went out to him when he spoke. I sought him, but I couldn't find him. I called him, but he gave me no answer. She had a turn of heart, a change of heart. You see at first Solomon wasn't taking no for an answer. So he persisted in expressing his desire for her, but when she doesn't come and open the door it bothers him and he leaves. But he left myr on the latch as a token of sweetness and a reminder that he was there. This with me, he didn't bang on the door. He didn't tell her that she had to satisfy his needs. He walked away, probably feeling rejected and frustrated. He was obviously a bit angry. He's learning some things. And I've talked to young men who are getting ready to get married and more than one has said the same kind of thing to me. They've got this idea that, you know, we're going to get married in intimacy anytime I want. I'm going to be a great man. And the way they talk to me, I just look at them and say, you obviously aren't married. It ain't that way at all.  Well, that's not the truth. You know, this woman has her moods, she has her needs, she has a sense of being taken advantage of, she has all of those things that she deals with. So Solomon is there. He's saying, open up for me. I want to come to be with you. But she's saying, no, I'm in bed. I don't want to get up. I don't want to go and satisfy your needs. If you wanted to be with me, you should have been here earlier.  That means you're out late. Are you kidding with me? There's no way. But what he had done is he left some mur on the door latch. She has a change of heart. And as she has a change of heart, she says, you know, I desire him. He's mine. I want to be with him. She opens the door and as she opens the door and she reaches out, she feels the other latch there and there's myrrh there, which is a reminder of his presence. He was there, but he's no longer there. And now she's feeling bad. She's feeling badly because she wanted to be with him, but he has walked away. Now sometimes when people get rejected like that, they could feel the need to get back, to punish for rejection. And when you feel rejected, you can feel justified in punishing the other person for rejecting. You can think, they made me mad so they should feel what I feel. There are quite a number of people who try to get back like that. They actually instead of just treating that situation for what it really is, they get mad and they want to get even. They want to have retribution or they want that person to feel badly about that. That's really the response of a fleshly heart. That's not the proper way to respond. In 1 Thessalonians 515, Paul said it like this. He said, see that no one renders evil for evil to anyone. But always pursue what is good, both for yourselves and for all. You don't render evil for evil. You do that which is good. See the way to respond when angered is to subject your will to God's spirit. You don't have to act impulsively because the heart of such behavior often is selfishness. This is where Christian faith actually comes to play by the way when you begin to learn to die to yourself and your desires and you begin to care about other people and see what their desires may be and how legitimate they are. That's really important in marriage. In John 15 verse 13, Jesus said, greater love has no one than this than to lay down one's life for his friends. And that's a scripture that comes alive in marriage. You begin to learn to lay down your life for your friend. Someone says, well, if I'm angry, I'll be real. I'll be authentic. Let them know how I feel. The need to express feelings is important. But how and why we do so is also important. It's better to express your feelings after the emotions have cooled. That requires some patient maturity. But if you just want to let them know right now you made me angry, any person in this room who's ever had any kind of relationship knows that that doesn't work because anger simply begets anger. And accusation just has an accusation in response. And the Bible tells us in Proverbs 29, 22, an angry man stirs up strife. And a furious man abounds in transgression. It's never wise to just pour out your anger, just a vent. You see Solomon didn't react to his wife in an immature self-centered punitive way. He appears to have understood and even after he's spoken to him the way she did, he reached out to her. This isn't something that they needed to fight over, so he left it alone. You need to know that everything you have in terms of your relationship and the petty things that can cause a conflict, not everything's worth fighting over. You don't have to draw a line in the sand over every small issue. You don't have to do that. What you learn to do is to get along with one another. She has a way, she thinks you have a way that you think and what you do is you begin to blend those into who we are together. And you find ways to be able to accomplish that task. There are things that I do that Marie doesn't like me doing and the things that she does that I don't like her doing. But they're not all something worth a war over. We learned that from the early days of our marriage to the point where it is now. We don't have to fight over things because the things that we are learning to deal with, most of those things are inconsequentials. So what we do is we will save anything that needs to be discussed for the things that matter most. Why constantly argue over silly things? Why get upset over the basic things that so many people get upset over? That are very often the small foxes that are ruining vines. There's no really any reason for those arguments.  Any time a man has to say I'm the boss, he's already lost it. He's already lost it. If I have to keep saying I'm your dad or I'm your husband or I'm your, I've already lost that position. They're not seeing me that way and I'm trying to reiterate what I consider myself to be, but I've already lost that position. I yielded it up because I haven't been that. I haven't been acting that way, you see? And so in marriage, I don't believe that you have to fight over every little thing. There are things that you should discuss, there are things that you should speak about, things that you should hammer out. Obviously there are things that are real conflicts, but there are so many things that are not and it's not worth the time. It's not worth the effort. It's not worth the argument. It's not worth the pain. It's not worth the tears. It's not worth any of that. I've discovered that and many of you have too. You just wait for the things, they'll come up, the things that you need to deal with. You begin early. You begin when you first get married and you discover there are so many things that are different about you. You were raised differently. You think differently. That's just the way it is. And over time, you discover the things that matter, the things that don't. You put away the things that don't and you concentrate on the things that do. In this particular case, she's upset. He came in, he wanted her. She says, basically, I have a headache. I'm not ready for you. He leaves a token of that. He was there. She notices that. She begins to look for her. And what happened is her conscience is now stirred because she feels bad for what had happened. He didn't have to say a word. When it says in verse five, I arose to open for my beloved and my hands dripped with my fingers with liquid mirror on the handles of the lock. He had left that mirror there to remind her that he was there. So in verse six, I opened for my beloved, but my beloved had turned away and was gone. My heart went out to him when he spoke. I sought him, but I couldn't find him. I called him, but he gave me no answer. The watchman who went about the city found me. They struck me. They wounded me. The keepers of the walls took my veil away from me. I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, that you tell him I'm love sick. When there's a problem between two people, somebody needs to have a change of heart. Sometimes both do, but a change of heart needs to happen. If there is no change of heart, it will simply harden. And hardened hearts are what cause divorce. Jesus in Matthew 19.8 said, Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives. But from the beginning, it was not so. Hardness of heart is the origin of divorce. And when people do not recognize their error, it hardens and can harden permanently. And so her heart was changed. In verse seven, when it says, the watchman who went about the city found me and struck me, they wounded me. Well, his wife realizes that she'd been wrong. So what does she do? She begins looking for her beloved. Now here, the watchmen are not helping her find Solomon. They actually struck her and wounded her. That would be a picture of her conscience. It's a picture of conviction. She realizes that she had mistreated her husband. Now, I want you to notice something. It wasn't Solomon who inflicted this pain on her. It was the watchman. The watchman could speak of conscience. He can speak of conviction, a conviction that comes from the Lord. You know, very often God will give, if we give God time to work and we stay out of it, he can actually work on the heart of that individual that we're having a problem with. But if we begin to argue and if we belittle, if we yell at them or nag, that doesn't accomplish anything. It just causes them to come, become harder. If I lecture Marie and lecture Marie about the things I think she needs to do and what she should have done and this and that, you know, there's a certain point where she selects to not listen anymore. She may look at me, but she's not listening.  You can just keep going over and over and over again and it doesn't work that way. I learned that even before I got married. My dad sometimes would lecture me. And I would look at my dad and he'd be talking and I wasn't listening to a word he had to say. I had turned off what he was saying a long time before. But I'd watch his mouth move and I'd just be waiting. I remember on one occasion my dad was lecturing me about something or other and finally he stopped and said, you're not listening to me, are you? And I smiled at him and I said, yes, I am. I lied, I wasn't listening. And he said, well, what did I say? So I repeated something.  I wasn't listening at all. But there are times when you're having a conversation with somebody and they just, they just shut you down. They're not listening to a word you have to say and it could happen in marriage. And there are certain things that you have to understand in this particular case, that's what she's learning. You see the bottom line is her conscience has stricken her. The conviction has come upon her. She didn't need a lot of words from Solomon. She already was struck down. It says in Proverbs 10, 19, in the multitude of words, sin is not lacking, but he who restrains his lips is wise. Sometimes it's simply best to leave things completely in the hands of God and pray. Sometimes that's more effective. Now, when it says in verse nine, what is your beloved more than another beloved or fairest among women? What is your beloved more than another beloved that you so charge us? I want you to see something here. This to me is really interesting. One of the things that can resolve conflict is to think about what it is about them that you love. What makes them special in your eyes? And what is it that made you want them as a spouse? What is it? You who are married here listening to this, what is it about that woman or that man that you're with, your husband or your wife that made you say to yourself, I can't live without this person. I wanna go to bed every night with them and I wanna wake up every morning with them.  What is it and what are those things? Can you speak of them?  Can you just shoot those things out like this? Can you do that? Can you say, I like this, I like this, I like this, I like this, and I like this. I like these things about him. I love these things about him. Can you do that? You ought to be able to. Because that's the questions being asked right now. What is it about your beloved that's so special is being asked? Why is that question being asked? Because when you begin to think about the things that make them what they are to you, they are the things that keep you with them. When you start remembering, well, you know what, the first time I met them, the smile, their sense of humor, their religious faith, their beauty, or how handsome they may be, these are things that attracted me.  And it's a good thing to have a practice of knowing what it is about that person that you so love. It's a good thing to be able to say, I like this, I like this, I like this, and I like this. She has a whole list that she's able to give. Notice what she says. Verse 10, my beloved is white and ruddy, chief among 10,000. His head is like the finest gold. His locks are wavy and black as a raven. His eyes are like doves by the rivers of waters washed with milk and fitly set. His cheeks are like a bed of spices, like banks of scented herbs. His lips are lilies dripping liquid mur. His hands are rods of gold set with burl. His body is carved ivory inlaid with sapphires. His legs are pillars of marble, set on bases of fine gold. His countenance is like Lebanon, excellent as the cedars. His mouth is most sweet. Yes, he's altogether lovely. This is my beloved. And this is my friend, oh daughters of Jerusalem. She's able to give a list. When she was asked, she had an instant answer because she knows him. She has a list of things in her heart and she can speak of him spontaneously. Why again is that important to deal with conflict quickly? Because in her case, this is someone she cannot live without. And these are the things she sees about him. Notice, he is white and ruddy. That speaks of his preeminence and that he's very handsome. He is chief among 10,000, meaning there's no one who can match him.  His hair, his locks are wavy and black as raven. Though he's young, he's highly respected. His eyes are like doves. When she says that, he's gentle towards her and loving. Washed with milk, speaks of the whites of his eyes, not being red with alcohol. He's sober. They are fitly set, meaning that he has vision and purpose and it's focused on her. His cheeks are like a bed of spices, meaning that he holds her close and is tender to her. His lips are lilies, which means his kisses are tender and sweet. His hands are rods of gold, set with burl, meaning he's strong in his authority. His body is carved ivory. Marisa's that about me, but she's thinking of a Buddha statue. That can be a picture of strength, perhaps the spiritual kind. His legs are pillars of marble set on bases of fine gold. Speaks of his physical strength. His mouth is most sweet. He is altogether lovely. And she said, this is my beloved and this is my friend. His mouth is most sweet. He speaks with me with kindness. How do I say this? In marital relations, one of the things that I think is very important is to speak with kindness, to have a gentleness in the way that you approach. The word of the Lord tells us that our wives are weaker vessels. Not that they are physically inferior, but because they're tender and should be cherished. So as a husband, we speak to our wives with a tenderness because that woman loves her husband enough to have given up everything else. All her plans and her desires many times have been yielded, submitted to their plans and their desires. And in my case with my wife, and I think I'm speaking for most every husband who loves their wife, I'm very grateful for that. I'm grateful for my wife. She's quite a woman and I'm thankful to God for her. And I try to let her know. I try to speak with tenderness towards her. I try to let her know that she's important to me. I try to cherish her and speak that way to her. Of course, you know, I'm not saying that every time she walks in the room that I say, oh, thou most lovely amongst women. I mean, I don't do that normally. And here I am, you know, you're big, strong, handsome man. I don't play that, you know. And I have a body of carved ivory. You know, I don't say that. I say her hair is like a flock of goats, but that's God, yeah. But you know what I'm talking about. All of us have been around couples that we've become uncomfortable to be around because they're so at each other. And there's such disrespect that's being spoken that you just just, you know, I just, I can't hang with this, you know, I'll hang with Yama one-on-one, but I don't like to see that dynamic, the put down, you know, the, I hate that. You know, in this church, I will tease sometimes my precious, but every person in this church who knows me and has been around for a while, knows how valuable my wife is to me. But I made a decision long ago that when I speak of Marie, you hear the good things because that's what a husband's supposed to do. He's supposed to lift her up, not bring her down. And in private, when she and I have our disagreements, you know, and we have them sometimes because she doesn't see how I'm always right. And so sometimes we have to fight about that till she gets it. When we have our disagreements, you know, there has to be the law of kindness upon my tongue. I need to speak to her with love and grace. That comes by the spirit of the Lord. Again, there are times that you don't say anything until you're settled, until you're ready, then you're able. And with Marie and I, when we've had conflict, what I'll do is I'll say, I need to speak to you. I wanna share my heart with you for a moment. And I'm asking you to listen carefully so that I might be able to say it as clearly as possible. This is what I'm feeling. And this is, I know that you're not intending to make me feel this way, but this is how I feel. And I don't like what I'm feeling right now because there's a sense of conflict between us. I'm angry over this and let's resolve it. That's how I deal with my wife. And Marie can do the same thing if necessary with me. You ought to. I don't appreciate this or honey, you need to know that and why didn't. And I have to listen.  And I wanna be the one who listens to her. It's just that simple. And so as you do that, you begin to understand. And I like the way she speaks, by the way, because she says at the end of the chapter, this is my friend, not only is he my lover, this is my beloved, but he's also my friend. And again, if you treat your husband or wife like you would your closest friend, you'll keep them longer. You'll keep them longer. If you treat them with the same respect that you show your friends, you'll keep them longer because there are things you'll do for your friends that you don't even think sometimes of doing for your loved one. And when they begin to feel that they're less than your closest friends, puts conflict in the marriage. But when you begin to make that person feel like they're the most important person in your life, they free you up emotionally to be a friend to everybody because it matters because that's what you are, your friends first and your lovers. And so she said, he's my beloved, but he's also my friend. I feel bad because I turned him away. I sought for him because my heart was pained and I looked for him because he is of such value. What value does he have? Oh, he is a leader amongst men. He is handsome and wise. This is the man of strength, both spiritually and physically and he's my beloved and he's my friend. And when you can speak like that and think like that and act like that, your conflicts will be resolved and that's how it works normally. Father, we ask that you would work in us and that we would be able to have a spiritual attitude. Thank you for your Holy Spirit who brings conviction, awakens us at the times that we haven't been as kind as we could be. And thank you for the power that you give to us to change. Now I ask that you would work within us so that we might become those children of yours that live lives that are pleasing to you. Work in us today and have your way in us today, we pray. And even as our eyes are closed, our heads are bowed, perhaps there are some in this room who need, you need prayer, you need to get right with the Lord. There may be issues you're dealing with right now that only the Holy Spirit can really, really change and bring healing and direction to your life for. So if you need prayer right now and I'd like to pray for you, would you raise your hand and let me pray if you're right where you're at? Just raise your hand so I might see you. Lord, you see these hands. You know the reason why these hands are being raised to you and now I'm asking that you would reach down and touch them. Lord, whatever it is within them, whatever the conflict may be, whatever the spiritual condition of their heart is at this moment, I pray that you would individually minister to each one of them exactly where they need your hand to be, exactly where they need your touch, Lord. And may you work in them and may you restore them and may you heal them and work within them, forgive them where necessary and empower them that they might live for you, Lord. We lift our hands to you and we ask that you would move upon us and use us for your glory. We yield ourselves now to you, Lord and thank you for this, bless you. You can put your hands down. And Jesus, would you keep moving in all of us to your glory? In your name we pray, amen. I pray the study was encouraging and I wanna thank you for your continued support and prayers and invite you to join us next Sunday night as we move into the next part of our study. 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