Jonas is a very talented person Even during this time Even during this time Even during this time conversations a missed Namastructure nahakiki nha kwa handa apana apa. Na kuna maalu na ina echa jimagari. Nanda kwenye nasana marafizango we nwa kuna maiyadu. Wakupema dinga wha nyesho. Nanda , katomatoka, aa! Actually Kyalema Zuma when he help. Then he goes. And then disappears. Does not do the content, comes back again. Ano nana been maze hinda kuna adi ni gani apo ya politiko satai and bahia. Nanda taka hwa nisa kwehhei funguga. Ananda kabo om. Anubie kuja. Tu nne funguatu, ne funguatu, nne panga visurivi le nesaku wa. Naiya ya kwenima kwawefa naido kwawefa Uda za kwawefa, resistance Tatawasa onantaka kweingengengestu, anafilika mahindustri. Haiwak. Yeti kweli kweli, kuna viditu zeni wa saa nipiya hawa dhu. So the time he came, the last time the information came up, this anivshaon na panganai, na uitu eivi neivi, nekawambiya. I wanted to read my response. What was he meaning? It's on Friday, 18th November last year. Bro, I have one problem with you. You always speak good ideas of the things you want to do, then you don't. You keep shifting to other ideas. This is like the fifth idea now. You always want to start. Do you know how far you have been now? What's up, guys? Welcome to SPM Buzz. My good name is Miss Kithinji. And this is Buzz with stars, Karibu Sana, in case you have not subscribed. We are almost 150,000 subscribers. So kindly bless us with that subscribe. Please subscribe to our channel. Now, guys, today I am joined by two stars, super creatives in this country. Thank you. One is Julie Kanakama, Eddie Butita, and YY Comedia. We are humbled. Karibu Sana. And guys, today we are here. Apana, do you want to say more? We didn't know. You didn't know? Really, guys, inuhumili tia mamonaji. Sababa se akuna shida. Now, today we are going to be talking about the state of art in this country. And art includes music, you know, comedians, actresses, all these people that are into entertainment industry. So we are here to talk about that state. And what happens because we have seen some of these brands and talents make money out of their brand and others fail at it? What really happens? Is it the structure? Is it someone that is just not knowing what to do? Nenataka liya utuongile, your story. And who is better to talk about this other than two of you guys? So what's the state of art currently? Sayezi, why, why? Sayezi, I think art in mefika, pulesine, sasaan do inataka. Do ina, ina li puka sasafizuri. Sayezi, pwendi, wasaani wana chiteke mea more than even ina bust. Ina li puka sasafizuri. Ina li puka. When you used to think ina li puka, pay kwa ina li puka. So sayezi wana pata, wasani wana naza jiteke mea without having to depend on people. Jamana naza tokyatu from nowhere, adjikrietu from scratch, abild kituyake, what will you follow, what will you pende na mekdo out of it. Without any gatekeepers, without sedui, brokagani, like clean too, we've seen kinamoya, we've seen now, tiktokas, we've seen comedians, waskits, nini, even musicians. So na feel ni kama sayezi asa liyo, kawa isi niwa hans, wakati asa liyo, infasa tu kona wam gono. Mani nila malala mi shiza, ah kinana niwana fanya, kinana nani, kinana nani, na think nao i mirodi ho. Do you have the same sentiments, butchita? Ya, I think so. I think I think a raya gatekeepers ina fedof, because you see how this thing was structured sometimes ago it was like we had a few individuals who used to determine if you will be successful in that. So people felt like it was being regulated in terms of who is going to be famous now to na muwani, wu yu, wu yu dutampe ap opportunities, wu nawa. But then kukuata nezo conflict, na ni kuna talent, buto ataki kuhi penyesha. But now we see things have changed in a way that that power is in your hand regardless of we saying no, niwe wena simuia, kuhendi o no, niwe wena kameraya kuhendi o no. For me, I think the power moved from structure problems, gatekeeper problems to now personal problem and discipline. So ni kiangali ya ati iwi na ona kama wilo mesema, why is it that people make money out of it and others don't? Na feel personal factors that might put you in the best place to make money. Dio sasa zina failua tu na pata. Una pata kuna ok, let's not ignore pia kuna luck. Ya. Una mze lupia halabda na na productivity, na wono na sema kuhlaki, but we use emanga even the untalented that are lucky they are consistent. We use emanga iwo. So pata yes, tu na sema na talent, buta kuh consistent. Ya. No ona. So that is a fact of consistency. Consistency. That is a factor of discipline. Now, one good role gatekeepers played part from you kuhatiaji is instilling discipline. Wono na wewa ni msa ni kuna msa ezi kuchieza kua radio, jwana demand certain kind of music or certain type of behaviors from you. Wazi shuapu melewa kwa studio na ona taka interview. Ono ona. I think you know the role module kuna play ya kuh create discipline. Welewa sewa li pati iwa iki tu kumkono. Ni powerful ni na tu meki a moment ni bat kuna in disciplinia winawa. No angusha. Eh na kwangushe na kuh crash. So na pata penginebi mi persona lemini tu na pendaku lala na pendaku kunyua. Ni ni kikunyua na jisa usifani usani unona. Buti juku na wazi bagi itkipona tu chunga pani na na jo hele blango do ni kipita na kum successful na zaku behave towards hele blango. Buti na ni kuna kwa nyumba angu mimi ni mimi mimi na jidi sa idea na pata ni kuna too much freedom ni nanda kusabotaj kaziya kwa. So the discipline factor. And another discipline factor kuna tumob kuna character kuna alcohol and substance abuse kuna iyo kuna actually character ni imi nona nga character ni sama drug. Like character ni drug tuflani imi baya character problem. Nia. So you're the biggest. Ya.  The most elated artist putting things out there but your character. Nia. Kwa zivanya kazi na mutuka maja complain. Nia. Ya na deliver things late. You're just in discipline with the clients how we behave towards them. Even other people even the audience meetings. Meetings nona. So yes you have talent but ufani zivi to straight. So people you know I don't know people like buying convenience. Nia. Musa nona. So it's a tubeti ya kama fani shuguli tubeti. Atasumbua. Atasumbua. Adanibata ijiwa by Friday. Nia. Nini. Natrasa idea na kutink. Nia. Nani timesa nifla nia patukujetsumbua nia. Nia. Nia. So it's a big video ni mezi on asana. Nikiya nalia kufiki liya zigi nia. Nia. Nia. Nia na kujaga. More clear. Nia. As to why other people make money and others do not make money. Make money. Alright.  Eh? I'm Jengia Bado. E mi E mi ata muka niliga. E mi ya nini muka niliga. Okay. Time when we we got to know you guys with such a platform. Let me rephrase that. That's the introduction. Okay. The introduction of your careers. Into the industry. Into the industry. Aya. So let's talk about that time because we've seen some of you guys have made the name out of your out of your art. And others did not. Do you want to say because now we have these gatekeepers that you may want to say that they instilled discipline while instilling that character? There are people who did not make anything out of that. They were bad and also good. Ya. They were bad and they were bad when you guys were too engi. Yes. They demoralized after too engi. But also there's a good side. Ya. But now that good side is not something that we are missing. Okay. It's something that we have it now. Ya. But people don't want to put it themselves. So is that, is that why some of these now other talents that were not able just to make something out of your name and that's why to nunaka maherpale kwam tandao muntu aneza semao nili pata platform bat me ikunisida nili kwa nalipo duki dogo. What led to that? Because some of you have made a name out of yourselves. What led to that? First of all I believe pesa ita itosha. Ita ita itosha. Even the richest people are still looking for money. Our politicians are still scrambling to steal resources so that they can add it to whatever they have. They can afford everything. They have the best houses, the biggest cars, but they still want more cars for themselves. They still want more money in their banks. So what happens is how do you use the liki? Nata kuna, kutiflani kwa bivi liye nasemanga. Ule mwami nifu kwa madao go ata kwa mwami nifu. Ata kwa e, nata kwa mwami nifu kwa yaliyo we making, okay? And to whom march is given, march is expected. Dis-expected, yes. Okay? So, kuna kwa gana, this belief, yawatwegi, this is the notion of kuna siku yawena kama kozani. These are my days coming. So, most of the time we are waiting for the day to come na kumbe you are always in your days. Waiting for your day to come. I get. Onapata mwami kiki do, ata kama niki do kiki do go, but you are waiting for bulk. You are waiting for big money. Mwami siku nita sika iwi mitambili. Mwami na ni bai equipment. Alafu ni bai kashamba. So, do you ni fanyeni? Ni ni. Ni fanyeni. So, onapata, when a situation whereby ume jipea five years, for example na se main, in five years mwami ziku na situ siku mwali apakatikati, nita sika four million, ni nimeshama ni fanyeni. Standing. Alafu na ngojanga kusikawa, alafu tawai sika, alafu kumbe ii in five years, ume kukishika doki doki doko, enye me sum up to even three times. Yes. So, onapata, eventually, ume me kata 12 million in five years. Mm-hmm. But, ono, wajanga five enye mishika. Meshika. So, kumbe in five years in a five-way, kuna kitu na zafanya polepole, baka ufanyeli kitu ya kuya four million, na yo eight, atakama ume aribuari. Aribuari. So, at the end of the day, onapata ume me waishika four million, wu jafanya anything, as you wait for the five. Five million. The five million. Also, does not mean that we are justifying what's onahwa na ma platforms. Also, I feel like mse piya kijipata nga kwa opportunity ma li piya akuna platform. Also, I think it's just twice to give people what they deserve. No na. If, me ukweli na kama, if me ukweli, me inkupretibutita kwa kitu ya muflani, ina lipa. Yo kuna zilebitu za, si mufanya kwa YouTube za ni ni ni ni. Buta kini, aikini taku, kitu ya posita na za kumambia, una lipa angape, una to angape, ma ni kimuita, atan za kumuita zaswali kamaizu. Muita angape. Taka ja kidi angua. Hei. Kuna klient sidu mugani, anatoka sidu South Africa, anatoka kupia buti na 10 million. Anatoka buti na ni ita ni fanyi kitu ya ke, duni mi ni rafki ya ke. Ion ikunitu miya. Nagech. So when the money is genuinely coming, then I think it's good to disperse it to wasewana contribute for yo dokuka. Kukuja. Now the problem that comes with notions are most of artists. Yo kubulemi anavituz me fanyika, ilafika point, sasati yo, yo blaming, oh I didn't, oh I, mimi na nakapitia, kuna kwa, kuna kwa kata tini zima soza, pay bills na token at the end of the time because you mi chagi, ni maze, I used to have money then this happened. Mm-hmm. Okifotili anga sa zigi na tamisha zawa, sani kikuli kuli, even then, yo time alkwa na semanin bigi, they were still not making money. Mm-hmm. So when in real sense, ita mi nana sema tia, me ishati alkwa na pesa kitamba usayana. A kukuana. Ata kua na hai. Ata kumifika pointia, a kumifika pointia kumikata dola bada. Mm-hmm. And then we blame there, we start blaming situations. Yeah. Yet some of these situations, kuna wa sewa na make it na same, same situation. Situation. So a lot of us tuna expecting that despite the situation, whatever was cushioning us in afa ikwe ileba kiyapo. Ok. Ono, ono na. Kama nili kwa ona platform for example, let's say platform like Chachilisho, and then Chachilisho, COVID-19 kupote haiko. So do I remain broke for the rest of my life? No. Because Chachilisho haiko. I get my work is, I am a comedian. My work is to make people laugh. Agita, either through stage performance or do skits. Yeah. But if I sit and wait for the country to open and then Chachilisho ata isi wa iroodi. Yeah. And then I start saying that manze mi mi nili kupote za job. Yet the real says ata labda ile Chachilisho, ata do ili kwen akupe, aki kwen li kwen li. I guess kusasenivu vile una say mauna feel ni kama, maisha kwen li kwa puwasana na yosho. Nage. So I feel like it's really high time was I would take personal initiative. Kwazi ikitimu pujokom kuna itu. It's a personal initiative. Kamaze wutuputuwa kwa nambia. Ukega liya mostly hours a day when you talk to me, it's not like I'm judging there. But there's only something common about most of them. When you talk to maze ikitimu fanyika, this is this. Number one, kuna kwa nga na wuzembe. Ukega liya fiti. Una pata, ena kwa instagramia. One say maze ikitu ewaak. Nga kuna kwa na ile jenu niya, I've been doing comedy, I've been performing but this thing's not paying. I don't understand because it's just a matter of time in the process iu kichitakam. But anyway, the last time kumipostata video ya comedy kuna. Three years ago jai fanya video yote. O jai performa ali. Where should this money come from? Nasa saka mauko demotivated wae wae like kumefelu mefanyu mefanyu mefanyu zime kata nukodum demotivated kabisa. In world I belong to victims. This world and success does not belong to victims.  Kuliam say na chi nga kiri potu watu kwa boss ati ke maze, wae fanya fanya apromoti wae angwe. In the real sense anafikiri yangain anafapromoti wae. It's about value. It's about value. We excel value.  We go back to that point and a good example was COVID. Like 2020. Like me personally before 2020 I was very active on stage doing stage things. I was not active on digital platform because these other things had occupied my life in a big way. So basically I can say 75% I was making money on stage. But then COVID comes and they lock down everything. No more shows. We even had the big show. We just got a contract yomantana kupuka. It was in Feb. One week before. To launch that. To roll out. We got to do a lot of shows with a canceling. Mi mi apu 2 kwa nyuumba na YouTube yangwe yasiji 1,000, 2,000 kanzaku pambanana Instagram. Tuli kwa tu neka kata content nne kwa na shooting yabu tu kwa na kaivi ata wei ya kwa na fanyati digital sana yu time. Nona. But kwa anza sasa ni bio-bio. Arpontet li fanyat. Isma JKLs in Tokenai. Isa JKL life. You see it's about transitioning and evolving. You see COVID neka so tukai tumboze to transition, to try. Mi mi na wangwa fanyasa hi. But tukai because COVID nilifanya mali COVID adi TV mobze nilisema programs nilifungo jwa 2 zishutitana pro. Program. 2 zifanya interviews. What did the audience do? Because they like seeing you. They stopped watching TV because there is no shows apu ometuli ya pa kanzaku anda digital kukutafda wei wei. Now they are looking for you because you're not on that TV where you used to be. They are looking for you give them what you used to be. To give them. Nanzaku apatia. Nanzaku ami mi mi by May June nili kwa nishashkatraksion enye most of my businesses in 2020 are coming because of the digital sites. Then I look at iniki tutume tumanzaku iskuma juzi. So na ona there is always time to start something new and start a new path. So the most important thing is know when to transition and to evolve. Ya. Yes. Ni mekanaa saya diwa na sema ma komedia na na sema isu komedia za digital ni za ushenzi isu. Mm hmm. Sii sii on to stand up. Mm hmm. Ko ni aje piya siit na pigea stand up na na pigea better. Mm hmm. Mi kya baka matua ya ni na na pigeu ko hingesa ni landa ni sii wa na juwa juwa stand up. Mm hmm. But hini platform it's a TV. Yes. You are on TV. Ya. Sii when you are saying mi nangu jia stand up when you are seated at the house waiting for a show to come do the stand up like you are really waiting for a platform outside there and you are seated with a platform in your house. Ya. You are waiting for a platform to be created by another human being. Ya. Then pandaju ya nene za pigea stand up basi. Ya. Rekord. Ya. Tuna una. Ya. Ya. Kama una feel vine. Ko ni mepatao na sema gaibola. Isi ma vine za kina bena ni za kitoto. Stand up ni first of all there is no right form of comedy. Comedy is laughter. Ya. Kulara isi. Isi za sii komedi. Isi za piu kuna mchezo. But I have no problem with style and presentation. Kiske ofa egunia leu titcha kese. Titcha onya ni titcha kese. The goal is to make people laugh and bring the audience. Akuna mamboi gine. So the moment una za kwangalia sasa mi mi nili kwanplo stage mi digital likwede mi hi digital li nanda kuku face out. Nona. The same thing with the you are big on Facebook you are doing great things on Facebook. Instagram came. Ya. We didn't say Instagram ikuende. Tu li rukia Instagram na tu kanzana. Naya. But kuna tu ali kata waka baki Facebook. Ya. TikTok ika kuja. Twitter. TikTok ika kuja. Tiktok watu su omona macelebo kikina tiktok. Mmm. Until what happened we had people that were not celebrities because of become celebrities because of tiktok. Ya. Celebrity finds it mi utoto. Ya. Mimi ku record content ya ke. Ya. Mimi zanguz na koga premium. Yes. Kumbia okingia pa piwa na try. Mmm. So here transition. So now industry ni ya tse kumila bila kusama tu mei. Industry iko evening kuna stage. Kuna videos na happen. Okay. Kuna kitu watu na happen na say theater comedy ama like mi na aga le avenue of consumption. What are you doing towards kwingia kuya o space? Mmm. Kuna wa say uni tag apa day funny clip. Na uni msa dili kadi. Mmm. Ame shuntu na si bina kaji. But every day na ona kuna ma dili uni medishoni ona. Kama kuna kuna boyanitua majero. Majero. Majero does like three videos every day jamak. Mmm. Back to back baka mi na na msa dili mone at least akuna ni matakri na umse ana kusakfanya kituna shindwa. Why? Ya. So it comes back to your point ya. Ya. Let's have a conversation of it's not working. Then we try and work on that thing that's not working. Rather than it's not working then we look at what it's not working. It's not there. Ya. Say ma e usaniyango waki kwa pi usaniyako usaniyako kwa api nia iwa. Na iko. Mziki yangu iwa kwa mziki yangu iwa uli matri yaz a go. Ya. Uro ona. Mziki elipi. Mziki elipi na uli bateni yaz a go fo yaz a go. So we say ma mi nime kwa na toa kazi nge ingine mi na ona strategi yangu labda iwa kuka momentum da umu suggesta. Jah. 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Kenyali kwa nezei gates aiyo. Ono ona. Akunam seali dimanda tiki tu atuha ita enda viral. Uga li, misiji givere dima. Ni visi vituzares na treniki kenya. Mostly na kwa ngabao the content of it. Ataziz na trenikoniz. So rule out story ya the equipment. Now equipment come where when you become big with that low quality and you do it over time. We see we are not like what we see wajingabana. We see when you get an endorsement from this. We see when you get money. Now we expect you to give us something better. Bila kia pana. Ata sasu maza upuzi. Because kia kwele kwele. Ata mimi ona jwa nilinua kamera lini. Like all along baka ukuna jamaga lukana uli zati. Ita mimi otu nukongi shooting na simu. Laki mimi ukongi niki shooting na simu. Ata 2020. Ata JK live parodi. Tuki anza ilikuwa ni tripod na nini pale. Na simu. Na actually ata si tripod. Nili kwa nai kele. Nini kwa pilo. Uli za buti ta. Buta nuliaza na episode one. Ya kitu. Tu maika simu iwi alafu nai kwa pilo. Pilo mingi kwa za ni kweju. Alafu nai kwa nai kwa dogo iwi alafu nai kele. So kuna mese nangoja. Equipment. Nangoja equipments. Awi ata wu kimpia equipments. Trust mi ya kuna kitu ane na kudu. Ata baki tanakil alamika kisema. Mukuni nulia lens. Mugini bias view lens. Gani view lens. Moshi amaika content. Saliti ya kamera. Na tripod na. Na tripod na kwa kamera. Ali shoot. Ali shoot. So.  Personal dressability na karakter. Kuna ata wa sa ni. Wanyoneza muita kwa kitu. Na filmanze. Umsa ni. Na filmi gama kuna kitu ya kana shukachiri. Na filmi kifanya na ekitu. Enezam Saidi. Enezam Saidi. Kwa mindi ya kana jambia. Huna takaku je revive. Huna takaku ni tumia. Enezam Saidi ya. You want to use me. Kuna wasana taku nimaika na uchi. Infat kuna wasani. Ola ni jasiku moja. Doa na come up oka ni jambia. How do you do it okai 10 years kwa game? Ni kwa mbe ya ah. One of the easiest things is inekwa hi ata. Uktak survive poa. Nukuna financial independence. Ukuetu ebu kuji sustain. Uta kaga kwa game for a while. So how do you do that? Ni kwa mbe ah. Kuji e ni kwa angu. To discuss to one end. Tuna zasonga jambia le. Waka come. Wata wanga api? Wata ana. Tuka sema ni aje. There are many things that we can do. First of all by supporting each other. Distribution. Uke kaka kitu. Sisi wata tuna post kwa witu zetu. Uke kaka kitu. YouTube tuna support. Sisi wita wata ana tuna siya kwa ni ni etu. And then tuna takasai twanzena wulem sema niya kuna following kido kabisa. Mendo ni kuna following mingi sana kwa awo. No na. Tuna takasai twanzena wulem sema niya kuna following kido kwa kwanza. Ueno tupa kontendiake. Tuki kuja. Tuki kuja anga. Yuki tukwanza keleta burugo. Yukunam sema niya na feel. Ako na mingi. Awa tanzana e. Awa tanzana e. Ika zaku leta isu. Uka mbe another thing after that. What we do now apart from supporting each other. Kani mi. Shikana ewi watana. Mi niko wiling kukua na nini. Tufungu eka. Saving account. Tuhende. Tuhlok. Na tukwe sisi wata ni wa signatory. Akunam tanzana zatoa. Pesa kama mungine aja toa. Bila mungine. Tukwe kukubelana sawa saa. Tukwa meetings gapi. Tatoa. Na wana tuwa nga chakula kwa angu kuweli kuweli. Bibi angu wa na pikiya vizuri sana. Wana kujia ea meeting meeting meeting. Wana dika baga note. Ika fika siku ya kufungu wa bank. Tukwenda bank apa gaden city. Watoa wili ya wako. Oda ni nani. Oh excuse us. Jini mi na kwa ni anini aya. Mungine aka kujia. Tukwenda tukwa. Tukwa sama wile. Tukwa ewi vasitu. Waka wata ano plus mi mi tukwa. Kama usita. Tukwa situ me baki one ne. Kuna moja kakubali kukam. Sisi one ne tusha. Register. So me baki ule moja. Alafu bank sasahi fumuli. Ule moja kukam atiyana ID. Na tuli kumikir kwa sama. Kila muja kujana ID. Tukwa sama vasitu. Lili one ne Monday. By Friday. Make sure we come. Dia kitu kwe successful. Kujana ID ako. One ne ni kitu kwe complete. Waka signature ako. Twanze kweka. Tukwa piana baka grace period. Kidogo kidogo. I group. Nika wana left. Mungine kidogo nika wana. O God. Muntual in texta kanya bini aje.  Oh. E. Nika jabia. Kwa ni? What we going to do with that money? Anything. Kwa tu you could still do the same thing. Ika kwa iwo. So. So yo kitu kaku janga. Ika kwa tu iwa kwa messed up. Ika kwa tena nika kamba. Ika kwa nikama nili kwa na pango. Buna nili wapela kwa bankenye na jwa. What? Na jwa what? So palitu kwa mindset. We cannot have similar mindsets. So kubali ati. To say kubali ati. To say kubali ati. To say kubali ati. To say kubali ati. To say kubali ati. To say kubali ati because we are on the same platform. To taguro pamoja sisi whate ati. Different mindsets. And not unless you are willing to go through the same mindset come to mungine. Ako na malunenda. Because. Kitu watu uo kwa pasana. Ni. That mindset requires you to be extreme disciplined to appoint that wana waku ni ngema. Watu wengata kuji ngema. Misanda kwa mdosi. Be comfortable. Like. Ni kwa mdosi at this state. Bila kwa mia. Bila kwa save. Nga get. Ni see post content fear. But nipata kwa kwa endorsement. And normally in asmachas tu kuna ni nikwam kuna itu say at. We still depend on corporates kumekido. Kenya. Kenya bada tu jafika leveli nge. Yuh level bada na batiliwa. But they are getting there. Yakuza na wakuza na wakuza na wakuza. Ata audience bada wana jaming yu mambaya direkonsuma. So say bada ulem se munya na se masana ko boardroom dana nekido. Ata ukuwe upe dura mafans but boardroom e kukubali uta mekido. So in asmachas there is something that a system requires you to do to make money. Then that is the only thing you need to do. You need to do. Uki kwa murebele sa kuna maluna. Ya. But also you know over time we have seen artists come out kwa mbamsada. Yes. And you know they always sometimes wana blaming the structure or the platform they've been in. For example kama leo tu ni mewatch interview ya Johnny the comedian. Yes. Anase ma ali kwa Churchill show Covid di kakuja. Yes. They thought you know they are going to go back. It never happened. Ili bidi ame wuza. Vi tu kwa nyumba ame hama. And now he is living in a very bad condition. Nuna jua. And people are willing to help him. Yes. But now when you guys see these things and you've been in the same platform you've gone through the same structures how does that make you feel now tu kama huyu nesamu mwambia je umbem sa maha tu ama inachoma. What do you guys think? Patumol ni me. Me na believing yuki finu ama ali. Bede kwa wun ta kwa mba ehoma tu ta kwa mba kakesho wu ishti shiwa tu wa kogaji. Me isikwagi aganesi yuki tu. Nako anga aganesi kitu moja until when. Kitu wama leo tu ta kupia. Ikamu tu wumbi na kusumanda tu ta kuche ke lea. That's how the world is. Yes. Are we solving as it's not a short term gratification but for us to solve the real problem. Problem. Because when I see msa nia kikama kusema ako kwa noma na jambia fo imu kwa kwa yu problem is that I make don't add. So chances are high now kwa kwa noma na jambia fo imu kwa kwa yu problem is that I make don't add. So chances are high that I produce your art and maybe I produce my work. Now that's where the problem is nia je wacha ni kusumanda wacha tu inu msa nia ako but are you also willing kwe inu wa iru dipa? Parle. Parle, no na. But to kiseima nina believing in doh ni solution but hae jai kuwa permanent solution. But in that situation doh is not even close to being the solution. Because for example let's take a look at this issue right now that you just talked about ya joni. Of course I empathize with the situation and how he feels but then again the only way we can help him is to be very brutal and honest. On a get. Being brutal I'll start it from here. When is the last time joni ama fanya kitu ya kumiri? Atokina kuholi ake. I think a kuna 9 posts. So if you are a comedian and repeating what I said previously you are either making money through stage performance or digitally. So if you are not doing stage you are complaining first of all he or show ime ruudi. Ime kuwa? Last week. Atasi last week. Chachili show Ili kuwa 247 li ni. Last year. Last year. Before after covid. Ya after covid immediately. Ya. Amenda ku perform any of the shows wunana. Hajakua stage. So this is a platform aiko. Number 2 Digitally. What content can I make up wiji ake? Nime dana kata futa but they like kakuna content. So I'm wondering ma li doina fa itoke. Kikuli kuli even if ataka masisi ni watua baya aje. I doina fa itoke wa api u post content. You're not shooting anything. Ya. You know joni is a very talented person nime kuwanga jama wakum skiza sana. Even during this time ya nini alikwa ni ame ni aje ita miya covid. Tu zitu kufanya fanya zoma bi tu zirut na shoot tu vitu apu. Ame ni aje ma zi ni kona idea niza kuwana na ame ni aje come home. Choni comes home ame ni aje so wunata ka aje. Nani baya ni kona concept flania pa esho flania ma sleikwin. Niza taka say banna shuna wale niza execute nani nata ka ni nani nani anekombia. Na toka nam structure esho. Nani nata jimagari nani na na nama rafkizango niwa kuna ma yadz wakupema dinga fanya esho na doka aa kali kaila mazumeni help then he goes and then disappears. Does not do the content comes back again. Ane nani ame maze e ni kona idea nini apu ya politiko sata and baya naza taka wunata say ni kuwifungua nani come home ame kuja tu naifungut naifungut nani panga zuri wile niza kuwa nani ame fiti nani ame kuwifa nani ame kuwifa nani comes back and disappears then comes back again with another idea aja fanya zile the last time I had a conversation with him is here. You've actually just spoken to him. Yes, one of the reason to why now this has to be we have to put this straight because at the end of the day it's a ni ni name to the industry ina kama ni kama maata wasewana takaku ingi ina stuana fili kama industry I work. Yatki kuweli kuweli kuna vidituze niwa sanipia hawa do so the time he came the last time with the information kana miwa wabla this an event shon na pangana niwa vidituze niwa kama miwa I wanted to read what my response what I say many So it's on Friday 18th November last year bro I have one problem with you you always speak good ideas of the things you want to do then you don't you keep shifting to other ideas this is like the fifth idea now you always want to start do you know how far you have been now exactly so what is stopping so that was your response to Jonyu kwa median yes okay so interest so is it the system so what do you think is his problem now personal initiative okay because Jonya kitaka taku shoot video na meme mi kama naiza naiza muita kuwango na kuji na tuongi not once not twice not three times then na manisa kitaku ku video zangu takuji in wachan ku na kata ni siyenda mubali this time tu kwa ni zivi tu zote sorry to use this example Maya was not doing anything aku anafanya aku amengi usani in terms of that you wife si tulianzatina hapo tu kwa izo vi tutu zangu and then her brand is growing tremendous exactly she did not even need to create she only needed to be incorporated like I was creating, writing shooting and editing she only needs to be part of it and just by that being part of it you association Elin Fikisha maha so even start by that even if you think creating ninguumu but as a first of all Jonya the fact that is a stand up comedian then he cannot say that creating is a problem because that is one of the toughest genre the acting stand up because creating upon this wutaka creating more than you create both both unachezana what to mentally psychological emotions so creating is not a problem I think we are being far from the game you mean unagape kwa problem be close to the game are you be close to the industry be close to the industry means where does comedy happens do you visit this place are you close to the people do interact with them we are active now the moment you go to another circle that is not in the industry you go to another circle you start to lose touch so by the time you come back you will not be able to still move that's when before something like that happens you will have a blank point where you will be happy you will be happy you will be happy you will be happy so you feel staying far from the game is bad you will be in the studio you will be in the studio you will be in the industry you are a comedian you will attend comedy shows even if you are not performing if people will shoot things be with them just catch up with them catching up has a spiritual thing of knowing where the bus is moving and then they will come back because the fact that we sit together also makes it easier It really does by the way. It really does. But when you are far from the game, then you are not in the game. Ya. Because kwa li kwa ilu na pata, sii tuko 2023 rait na hu. Adi tu seme wewa uli acha 2017. Ya. Ukapotea. Adi tu na rudi sayi. Do you know what happens to that? Uta rudi kipiga comedy zia 20? Yes. 2070. Yes. Alafu na tryuna sema it is not working. Ya. It happens even with musicians. Musician na pota ya. Alafu aki rudi. Ana imba vilale kwa na imba wapi. So haja improve. Ataki dogo. When you drop out in standard 2. And then u kaisu 8 years. Nu join for more. No. You go back to standard 2. Yes. So what happens is that, our musician when you dropping out, alafu na pota ya, when after many years, to now it is a legendary, kikuli kuli see legend, eba do ni apkami. Vili ni muze. Ni apkami. Ya li acha before, mu okay. Ali acha uko stage ya, alafu. See legendari kwa kabi kama. Na jwa see u tu miha tu legendari, in terms of juya age. Anza mu tu ni legendari. Ima ju tu li buju, ayu otaiki tambo. Eh. Legendari. Not miha legendari, as age. Kikuli kwa legendari na fahiku e. Both experience na craftia ko. Consistency kwa ya. Well. Uhum. Eh. Guys I hope you are getting tips. If you are someone that is in the industry, and you just want to get to Nuti. So you are planning to get into the industry. I believe this is very insightful. Now let's talk about Talanta Hela Kansu. The kabiti that has been created by CS. Before you even get to Talanta Hela. There is something that Butita was talking about that I really wanted to add on. Apo kwa muze kukam kuitisha. Ikona advantage zaki na disadvantage. But the cons are worse. Until when? On a get. Yeah. Number one, the only thing that keeps artists to make more money is the respect that either clients have for them or the funds they believe. On a get. So anytime you come to the public with your financial issues, sickness aside. To sickness anyone can, anyone can find themselves in the situation whereby they need help because insurance is a run out at a million twenty. Eo is exempted. Any other issue. At the moment we are coming up now, we are gaining something by risking another. So you gain the money that you will get in your kusadio short term. But then you lose your respect for as much as you can play a game. For life. Audience will never forget. Actually let us see where we are. On a get. On a get. On a get. On a get. Every day. Every day. Every day. Kamasa nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami nami zigo and one of the reason we had to talk about kindedly is so that tu wach mini nami zigo yan wacha tani netu fiki to baby 2 mi zigo zi So the moment utapua pesa unapua pesa wendee wishika njumapua. On a get. Kwa zoom say kifil maza ni kika wensita nische angini nmini nmini nmini trua pua. Tu kiku trua pua. Tuna kiku trua pua ten Uende kwenyubapuwa sasa, malinu na di-sav Uende malinu na di-sav, and then we shiaji apu Pesaya watu And muse ma, you'd rather have vegetables seven days a week than nyama once a week na una kawkasi kuzot, eru kulem boga deili anu me shibu Boro u shibe Yes, so he or self respect is so important to an artist The moment Nyonya shatua, what a manyamei come out in that regard Bila sickness, like you never come back Atu okaka, kitu wana wkumbusya Atu, kuna kalek, kuna kwangana kalek avaluya Una jwa usani, is very spiritual by the way And that is why there are some favors that usually happen na shi changa, misa yukota lente na fanyangasi yunini, mutu wana kujatu Let me give an example kamaia na nim Priscilla Like, who can't whistle You can't whistle, mutu say you can't whistle But how come ati tuna nini Tuko fokast kwa ke Kwa zaka nwi sone Why, why happens in me whistle So can we say that, but forget But there's a reason why favor na mulika niya mihaje Ue wei miha kusport We are now focusing on you Yet everyone can we So we have to accept that And the only way that he or favor na adoration wukam Usani afuana idolization fulani Nge maze, ee maze uni misani Tukenga na place maze wana se libiti wangakapa on tisha Kina maze, maka wukuna misana kwa moemotion utu anta kulia It's not because of us ama guvu yetu Kuna kongana guvu fulani So the moment you come Na umalize he or mystery about yourself Then he of guvu Ena kutokanga Na ekitoka It is very hard or completely Or close to impossible Kujigetu bak Alright Had it I hope meske apia Now let's get to talenta hella kansu This kansu that has been created by CS And youth sports and art And I want to know What are your expectations from this kansu And also What are your thoughts about the members That have been put there To represent the creative art Bearing in mind Is this such city lawyer that said That kansu should be revoked Because it doesn't follow the rule Or the procedure To create that kansu What are your thoughts guys Okay And giving people a chance to try If they fail Sawa If they get it Like I believe Sometimes you'll never know the potential of people Until you put them into trial So for me the issue of Are they the right people in the right positions Okay That's maybe only issue CSI debate now Let me give them a chance to do something Because you see I'm talking based on what Like we've never had a talenta We've never had a talenta So maybe I don't know what to criticize But maybe as a kid The best ideas That I had to get Kusiana So for me In terms of If the right people are there In terms of I feel like They should also work together With the industry These things That are pressing the industry Into those platforms For example I'm a person of beliefs Most of the time we look for capital to solve problems And we're like maybe we'll need a budget To make these things for the artist A budget for this But there are policies that if you change Wasa niyona kwatu sawa And onaji tangina zia pesa So sangina na tu need do Tuna need to change kido ga polisi Operativi Yubi ya kuna wa sanis Wakopashida So we can make it valuable So we can make it valuable So we can make it valuable So we can make it valuable So we can make it valuable So we can comeaizu onaji Kwa onji kujua Yes, the people that are there Are just representing the industry Now they should Get information from the industry Nisha uses public participation Like Lisa's participation Misha Regards Kenul vaiwa haytu na hi liftu man mísima kun Canvasii isimus Uduzu was kanya Tudu na huk arresti kica Nubu na hili Ya ki na bou aandusi mojtechno You know coming up with a way to standardize art in a way that maybe if you're on such a such a TV Producers should not do this to you because because in one situation which is buta me Is something very pregnant Musa na dosi kana doi ako Na for example a good example is a TV show a TV show for example TV show Eee Mwenye Mwenye act Mwenye act The owner, the producer Anakula fitting Anakula fitting Baka ana hende shagari inye koko juwe Nyalazi mo ruken doi Inaguruma kama automatic generator Basement But ana deserve kule yodo Ana get? Ana deserve kukula whatever Of the actors Yes Yes Yes Kusuna para for example Kipindi kili para for example kitu kama 1.5 For example an episode A good example 1.5 An episode And then Not your first production But the remain enough Yes Ii kwa watu inyoko patu vits Umali ina kwa ingi wrong muku apa Because fame U coming ina Nini flani ini wasewana kwa create perception about you Automatically You don't even have to tell them Ata wei mwenye wna zataka kupa nama tatu But it does not allow Atu kukupale onaski anikama tumu na kukoroga Wei mwenye wna tataka kukupabitsita Na taka vizuri kwa ini elufu tatu Na taka ini just cheap But the pressure cannot allow you So what happens is Kichu kwa 30 utu peo kule 70 Elufu 30 dowanze kudistibutu kwe tu Onapata stawa kumeni Anali pwa tawa When you guys want to mean 30% should go to the owner Elufu yo mingi ini na enda kwa Ii bati na shia wei ingi Bati waku wei Wei oni principu ata Ata ini Na say ma wei zi kwa Unofanya production Yamita So Yes So Yes We deserve kwa Mwenye production 200k Anafi ya besta Anana So So So So fair balance Wei zi kwa It's written And the policy says For every production this percentage goes to the talents Ya Another one Wei tu kama revinishia za Iso platforms Iso mabumplay nii nii, YouTube nii nii Onapata kama, for example, video kwa ii kwa na U.S. Onavu na Fiti Onaget Because labda wuko Isada two things Ita competition ya marketing Or They have also negotiated for better policies As well na pata labda revinishia Iko ju So sa zi gina na pata Kwa prudamu ki tu kama YouTube na nii nii Gaveneza moa Iseme, YouTube mukaya apa E for this Kwa YouTube isu kapa by force Facebook juzi kwa me sema What does Facebook lose to monetize? Wanam make do actually So na feel One of the things Kwa fai kule tati do kwa mi kuna tii Kuna Talanta Wanafat pukule fidi zasa In terms of Pesa zi ki tokapalu kwa sere kali Nga nga pesa utokama ali So in terms to such policies Kutugama Facebook Kutugama Facebook alise ma auto monetize Why are they not monetizing Because I don't feel like Facebook is losing By monetizing Wanagat it's not losing because It's going to make revenue But maybe Gava have Proper discussion in terms of Tutapata age tax Labda ona taka mingia ona taka Una na ki tu kama yu Selfish interest Atu consider Yatsai Si Gava make do na yu Iko gafi bata omik zai So atu labda ona taka It's the same So things like YouTube Tukue Because Gava na zase mama zi YouTube is ikwe kenya Because YouTube make up ikwe kenya by force Kama villainini China alise ma atake ma baya Facebook Na suagos tu zawa But Facebook will do anything To have them there To have it there So some of this policy studio I think one of our shuguli kia Kufotili akwe nishiwa Gava ikipromis Alright That was very insightful Thank you guys for coming here And just talking about the state of the art I believe kama kunam tu alikuwa na swali Likwinam sumbuwa Aneza kwa me land something out of this Let us know down on the comments section In case there is something you've land But thank you so much My good name is Miski Fingi I was joined by Eddie Bouticha And YY Until next time, keep it SPM bars Yeah, adios


And Rob Creckle, how do you want me to introduce you? Just as sound designer, that's fine. Sound designer for, can I mention the games you've designed sound for? Sure, yeah. For games such as? Such as, that's good. Yeah, all right. Cool, you ready? Yeah. Thanks for doing this, man. Thanks for having me. Here we go. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, September 22nd, 2014. I'm Tom Marin joining me now. Rob Creckle, a sound designer on games such as The Last of Us and Uncharted 3. And just a really all around good guy. I've gotten to know over the last couple of Dragon Cods. How's it going, man? It's going pretty good, Tom. Thanks for having me on. I feel like I know you from Dragon Con, even though we both live in Los Angeles. It's just one of those oddities of the way the world works. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, Dragon Con is kind of one of those melting pots where everyone seems to mingle. It is. It's the Ellis Island of geek culture. That's a great way to describe it. And if The Last of Us ever made you cry, you owe that in part to Rob Creckle. So just keep that in mind as well. Definitely in part. It's a big team of guys over here. They're all like top of the industry. Take a look at the headlines. Breaking news, people. Apple sold a lot of phones. According to GigaOm, the company reported the sale of 10 million iPhones 6 and 6 Plus between this past Friday and Sunday, which beat last year's 9 million sales of the 5C and 5S models. That may not seem like a big leap, but remember iPhone 6 has not gone on sale in China yet this time due to a delay in approval for sale. So they beat it without China, and they had China on board last time. Yeah. It's interesting without China, you say, but I just watched a video about the line sitters, and it seemed like many of them are sitting for the black market to ship them to China immediately. So some sales over there may have been represented is what you're saying. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I went to the Apple Store over in Century City this weekend, and there was a line to walk in the store. They're like, here's the line for people who reserved an iPhone, here's the line for people who want to buy an iPhone, and here's the line for people who just want to walk inside, which I thought was hilarious. Although once I got inside to just walk around, it was kind of nice not to be like packed wall-to-wall. I'm giving that. Yeah. TechCrunch reports it has five sources of whom many work at Apple and Beats who say Apple will discontinue the Beats music streaming service. Sources could not agree on whether this would mean it would be rolled into iTunes or what would actually happen, but they all agreed that it will be going away. Now, Beats Music just launched an app on Apple TV, but it's conspicuously absent from iOS 8 in other places, Rob. Yeah. I mean, Beats Music, they have some really good exclusive music there, but it seems a very odd competing product now that Apple owns them. It seems logical that they'll probably make it go away real soon. Yeah. I feel like the one question is, will we see an iTunes music streaming service that's essentially Beats under the iTunes brand? I get that Apple doesn't like to have multiple brands like this. I feel like LaLa, where it just goes away. Yeah. I think that they'll probably leverage whatever technology that they gained or personnel maybe to make something like that happen. But yeah, I think the Beats brand, at least for music streaming, is going to go away. Yeah, for sure. Giga Home Pass is long a Wall Street Journal tip that HTC will make Google's upcoming 64-bit tablet, which is likely to be called the Nexus 9. That would make it the first Google device to run a 64-bit version of Android. The next version of Android, Android L, will be 64-bit capable. There's a couple phones out there capable of running it, but they're not made by Google or in conjunction with Google. HTC hasn't manufactured a tablet since the HTC Flyer in 2011. Remember the Flyer, Rob? No. No. HTC might be kind of glad that you don't remember the Flyer. Probably, yeah. Tech in Asia reports search engine DuckDuckGo has been blocked in China. The Great Fire Index, which keeps track of this sort of thing, suggests it may have been blocked starting September 4th. The New York Times published an in-depth piece yesterday about the trend of stricter controls on internet companies in China. Google operates out of Hong Kong, but they've been seeing problems even with ads being served in China. And also, messaging services Line and Kakaotalk have been blocked, among many others. The Toronto Star reports that BlackBerry will sell its newest passport smartphone. That's the square one for $599 off contract in the United States. That's a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the unlock prices for, say, the iPhone 6 or the Samsung Galaxy S5. The 4.5-inch square smartphone is the first totally new BlackBerry device to come to the market since CEO John Chen joined the company. Pricing for Canada has not yet been announced. Because BlackBerry is a thing, right, guys? Right? Remember us? That's what John Chen is hoping is that it will become a thing again, because passport, because square. Nobody has done a square smartphone. I say that, and of course, five people are going to email me with some small company somewhere that did a square smartphone. But I don't know that I wanted one. I don't think they have the cool power to say that this is what you want, this square smartphone. They're not at Apple, so. It just fits perfectly in your passport holder. That's what I, I don't know. You know what? BlackBerry has been gone through enough. Let's give them a chance. This, I think there's some good stuff here. So 500, I'm going to give them 100% positive vibes for having a reduced unlocked price for a phone, rather than the freaking $1000 you pay for 128 gig unlocked iPhone 6. It's ridiculous. Fair enough, fair enough. Hey, connector cable and communication port protocol fans. Listen up, and I know you're out there. The Video Electronics Standards Association, aka VISA, announced Monday it's teaming up with the USB 3.0 promoter group to have a baby, kind of. And that baby will be called the display port alternate mode for the USB Type-C standard. Ah, it has its mother's reversibility. That means devices can now connect to existing display port monitors using a USB Type-C cable, or a USB Type-C to display port converter, as long as those devices support the display port alt mode. A dock could support 10 gigabit per second USB data transfer and support a 4K display port monitor. Essentially, this is doing what Thunderbolt already does, says, hey, we can do high data throughput, and we can also support a display port monitor in one connector. Time now for some news from you. These are things submitted at our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. SwiftPause passes along the word that Google no longer requires new users to create a Google Plus account when signing up for any Google product, Gmail, or anything else. According to a PCMag retelling of a marketing land report, the Google Plus account is now presented as optional during the sign-up process, though you'll still need a G Plus account if you want to do things like leave comments on YouTube or leave app reviews. I guess their feeling is we can force people into Google Plus in other ways without annoying them right from the sign-up process. This is a very strange thing to me. I don't know why they're splitting it when they really just brought it all together very recently. It seems like this could be one of the many Google products that may be going the way of the dinosaur. It makes you wonder, right? I'm putting a little bit of the affiliation to that. Facebook not for a reason. There's no tree to your left, and that explains why they're changing policies because these were all his policies of unification. But, I just, I wonder, as they always say, is, like, oh, no. Google Plus is still, we're still using it and promoting it and adding it to things. And it does have enough use right now that I can't see them just I think they're just trying to figure out what to do with it. Alan AV called our attention to the Anantek report that Samsung is aware of a problem with two of their solid state drives, the 840 and the 840 EVO, that have caused low read performance on older data. Samsung engineers are working on updated firmware, and as soon as the fix has been validated, they'll get that out to end users, though no ETA has been announced. But if you're thinking about buying a solid state drive, you might want to hold off on the 840s for just a bit, and you might want to make sure your data's backed up if you're using one of these. Finally, Cat and Kipper submitted the best long read of the day from Ars Technica. It's a terrific account by Cyrus Faravar about an Italian restaurant in Richmond, California, which is trying to become the worst reviewed restaurant on Yelp in order to highlight their frustration with what the restaurant owners believe is Yelp's aggressive sales tactics. Restaurant's offering a 25% discount to anyone who writes a terrible review. Yelp predictably is not pleased, saying the restaurant owners are violating Yelp's terms of service by offering incentives in exchange for reviews to which the restaurant owners wrote that Yelp is violating their terms of service, but being pushy, essentially. In case you were wondering, according to the author of the article, it turns out that the food at this restaurant is awfully tasty. Yeah, the email exchange in this article is fairly hilarious between Yelp and the restaurant owner. It's worth reading, I think, just for that. Yeah, they did a nice job of basically parodying Yelp's very earnest and sincere request to please stop encouraging your customers to leave bad reviews. This is not a good idea. A Harvard study has shown that this is not a good idea. These guys don't care. Look, as Cyrus Faravar's article, which is fantastic, makes clear, these guys decided to open an Italian restaurant in Richmond because they didn't care about things like customer service and maximizing potential. They just wanted to make food. They wanted to make food their way and not have to mess with all of this other part of running a restaurant. And that's what they're doing. So this is hilarious. That's amazing. And that is a look at the headlines. We have Daily Tech News Show shirts. If you're interested, I always like to let people know about stuff like that. You can find it at slashloot.com. Just look for the podcast section. And it's the DTNS logo from Mustafa from the pullercat.com on there. They're available in white, black, and ash. Check them out. T-shirts slash loot.com. Oculus Connect happened over the weekend and Oculus, among many announcements, the big one was showing off the new prototype Crescent Bay. They've got a new design. It's now more lightweight, more ergonomic. They bought the industrial design from carbon recently. So one would expect this is probably a product of that. Another things that they've added, 360 degree head tracking. So the external camera now tracks the back of the rig as well as the front. So you can turn your head all the way around. An upgraded screen. They wouldn't release any details about it, but the reviewer said it definitely was a better screen than DK2. It's lighter. It has integrated headphones. So you don't have to have a second cord running up. And they say they're going to license real spaces 3D audio, which was developed by Visa Sonics out of the University of Maryland. Oculus CEO Brendan Arriba donated $31 million to Maryland to build a VR lab there. So that's probably where the connection comes from. He went there for a year or so. Among the demos, a demo from Epic Games called Showdown, a computer demo, a partnership with Unity platforms supporting Rift on all of their official platforms, the free and the paid versions. What did you think of looking over all of this coverage here and people saying, this definitely is pretty close to consumer availability? But then Oculus, Rob's saying, nope, we're not ready to announce any kind of consumer availability. Could be this year, could be next. We're not saying. I love the way Oculus has actually been rolling out their dev kits publicly and letting people get ahold of them and letting the press see each iteration. And I think that's amazing. I think it's just really good for hype for the device, but also great to show a little bit of inside baseball on how VR is being made. That is something that I'm a big fan of, getting to see how the sauce is just made. So I'm a big fan. I think it's the sincerity of what Lucky and Friends are doing that helps them navigate this. I mean, this could be a PR disaster if they kept showing a prototype that got a little bit better every time and there's no consumer availability. They could be getting trashed. People would be saying, it's vaporware. It's never going to come, but they've had the opposite reaction. It's been very favorable. And I think it's because when they do these demos, they don't come off as people trying to palm something off and cover something up. They come off as somebody's like, yeah, we're showing you what we've done since the last time we talked. And you can see why we're not ready to give this thing out yet. And they've also let it out to developers. And it actually really seems like they're making good use of their aspects from Facebook and from Carbon because the actual device is much nicer looking.  That can help to eliminate a lot of the emotion sickness that a lot of people tend to get because you can tilt your head. So that stuff seems really key. And now it's just, I think as time goes on, it's what are people going to do with this thing, right? That's like the big question. What's the killer app? Yeah, there was a lot of discussion of that in the coverage that I read. In fact, Eric Johnson of Recode quoted several devs that he talked to at Connect saying they thought it might be a social kind of application that starts off the Oculus killer app. Obviously, it's going to be games. They're going to have games at launch and it's always going to be games. But the thing that really gets people to use it in large numbers might have to be something social. There's also movies out there. I mean, there's a couple of firms working on making movies tailor made for this experience so that you can look around and choose what you're looking at within the movie. If you had to guess what kind of thing and you're around a lot of game development, so I feel like you might have a little insight here. What do you think could end up being the thing that captures everyone's attention? I really firmly believe it is going to be a game.  But I really think a game and it's probably not going to be like unreal or something crazy. It's going to be something simple like with the Wii, it was bowling or the Wii sports stuff. It was very simple, easily accessible, very easy to understand by people who are not gamers. I think it's going to be something like that that really is going to be used to kind of show off the technology. So it might be a game in the social aspect. So you have like your second life type thing and you can play simple games. You can play horseshoes, you can play bowling, you can do these things. And that might be the killer app that just shows people, holy crap, this is amazing. That feels like the right thing and I don't know who makes it or what that game is. But the idea of it being social, I think the reason you have so many devs talking about that is because this is perceived from the outside as a very isolated thing, right?  And so I think overcoming that for people who are curious is to say like, hey, but you can all get together and do this thing and you can be in the same room or not, but you'll be able to do this thing. And that was what I think made the we so appealing to people who otherwise wouldn't have been into game consoles at all was, oh, this is natural. I can pick this up. I can do this sort of thing. And because you can't pick up a gun yet, maybe you will by launch time and in the Oculus, something that involves people communicating with each other and sharing an experience seems like it would be the sort of thing to capture imagination versus a particular type of game that we already know how to do with a controller being ported over somehow. Yeah, I don't think that's what's going to be exciting. I think the controller that they end up coming up with or somebody else ends up going to be extremely important to this like adoption. I don't know if it can be the traditional sort of like paddle controller that we're all used to. I think there's a couple of companies and the name is escaping me right now that are actually making like gloves like haptic style finger tracking gloves and that might be maybe charades into the game, Tom. Maybe you're doing virtual charades. You know, you say that, but who would have thought bowling was the thing to kick off Wii, right? Maybe it is. Maybe it's some like super modern hipster charades version that somebody comes out with. I do think you're right about the gloves though. Those seem to be the best the best bet for some sort of control interface there because so that you can just because what this is all about 360 degrees, they were standing, even though they still say this is a seated experience, they had them standing in this demo. It feels like they just want you to be able to get into this world and go and not have to think about what you're doing and gloves would fit with that. What about the sound? This is the first time we've seen a prototype with integrated headphones. They weren't the greatest looking headphones, but they were definitely better, according to the reviewers, than having a separate pair of headphones stuck in your ears. And this idea that they would license the real space 3D audio from Visit Sonics means they're trying to do some things that play into the 360 degree virtual world. So you have a 360 degree virtual sound as well. I'm happy to see that they're integrating headphones. I think that's a good first step. Because having had one of these headsets on before, like putting the headphones on over the band, it just makes it very uncomfortable. It takes you out of the experience too. Yeah, it takes you out and having the headphones integrated is great for ergonomics, if nothing else. But the fact that they're thinking about audio at the inception of this thing is really promising. Real space is an interesting choice for them to partner with. I think there might be a connection, like we talked about, through Maryland, which makes sense. But there are a couple other companies, one of which is a plugin called 3Dception by 2 Big Ears. And they're also going to be supporting virtual reality. And they currently, they support a number of different platforms, Unity, Ys, Native SDK, Pure Data, and Max MSP. And Ys in particular is important, because that is industry standard audio middleware throughout the industry. And this is for console games, PC games. That being supported is great for the top tier developers. And then Unity obviously is huge in the indie scene. So those being supported is very important. Yeah. And we saw Unity has a partnership with Oculus now, which makes that development a lot easier. And you've got the Unreal Engine there being demonstrated by Epic. Right. It's all sort of coming together, isn't it? Yes. And I think it's interesting, though, because another thing we talked about was these technologies are sort of very infantile. These two companies in particular, when a lot of game companies, including some that I've worked for, we've been working in this space already in a way. When we work in surround sound, it's still virtual 3D, right? You still have to simulate sounds moving around you. Now this is just taking into a more minimal level with two speakers attached to your head. But there's various techniques for recording and lots of different algorithms to simulate certain processing that can be used to simulate sounds moving around you properly. So it's going to be important for people in the reality of VR. The audio is going to have to match the visuals. If you're designing a game for Oculus and they say, we've licensed real space 3D audio, does that help you in any way? Does it hinder you? Or does it matter if you're like, well, we already have our own solution here? It depends on the developer. A lot of indie developers are going to be great that there's some solution that they can immediately plug into and say, okay, we have something we can look at. We have something that other Indies are using and we can kind of collaborate and make something out of that. Bigger developers, they're going to take it or leave it, and they'll use their own software or they'll adopt this and they'll modify it and change it in a way that makes it work. It's definitely not a negative for sure. Yeah. Well, and you were pointing out before the show that real space does this thing with a stick and audio cameras where they try to localize the sounds that they're hearing not only in space but also with video, which is great for sporting events or transporting you to the middle of the concert, and it's even got some security and defense applications apparently. But that isn't necessarily what you could do for a video game. So it implies that they are really thinking beyond just the gaming platform and saying, we want to open this up for other types of uses, maybe a movie theater type of use, I don't know. Right. Yeah, having a audio camera, I think is what they called it. That would be great for a sporting event. You basically stick that in the middle of the stadium and it's going to be at all locals, all the sound of the event that's happening based on where you're sitting virtually or standing or whatever it is. And that's very cool for those live events. Less useful on the game side, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it won't be used for something. Yeah. All right. Let's take a look at the calendar real quick speaking of video games Xbox one set to launch in India. In fact, I think with the time difference, it's now launched in India. I think it's already September 23rd there, 39,990 rupees. That's exactly the same as the PS4 launched at back in January. They were supposed to have an Xbox one launch in China today as well. They are still, and when I say today, I mean September 23rd because it's tomorrow there. They are still having their event in Shanghai apparently, but they're only announced that the Xbox one is delayed in China. They haven't really explained why. And Sony's PlayStation TV has been announced to be coming to the U.S. on October 14th. That's the smaller version that can play the Vita games. It can stream PlayStation games. It's kind of being billed as an extension to your PS4. You have your PS4 in your main gaming area and this can extend it into other areas. It's essentially a Vita in a box is what it is and it's coming to the U.S. October 14th. Our pick of the day comes from Dave. It's an add-on for XBMC, which is now called Kodi, by the way. They're transitioning that name. The add-on is called Pseudo TV. Dave writes, as someone who will soon be moving into an area that has Comcast as the only option for cable, I figured I would attempt to cut the cord more or less. I have a PC hooked up to my living room TV and I'm one of those digital hoarders with a four terabyte external drive nearly filled with movies and TV shows, mostly ripped from my own personal collection because who has the space for 600 DVDs these days? Dave says, my wife and I would stare at a list of movies on TV and usually end up switching back to cable, watching a censored and cut-up version of something we already owned on DVD or on the PC. So I did a little looking around and found an add-on for XBMC called Pseudo TV Live where you can set up your own channels and flip through your own local content as well as online content. The add-on comes with a few dozen RSS feeds set as channels, including Twitter and Scam School. The add-on has a built-in channel guide and has almost indistinguishable from a real cable system, although it can be somewhat frustrating to set up once you get it working properly, it becomes a very viable alternative to cable. I have had it set up and working properly for a couple weeks now and my wife and I have not turned back to cable since, except to watch the bears stomp on the 49ers last Sunday, he says. Did he turn on cable just for that, wasn't over the air? I'm not sure. I think he just wanted to get a dig in the 49ers, which I don't care. I'm not a 49ers fan. Are you, Rob? No, not at all. But Pseudo TV sounds like a pretty good extension, no? Yeah, I mean, this is viable for me because I'm very close to cutting the cord. I'm wondering what the speed is because that's one thing that just annoys me about regular cable boxes is that channel surfing is not what it once was. Yeah. You know, clicking through channels takes an annoying amount of time. So I'm wondering what the speed would be on something like this. It's silly, but it's something that actually matters to me. It's going to be limited by the load time, right? Because everything that they're putting here is going to take a moment to load. Presumably, the things on your local network will load faster than the things they're streaming over the internet. But yeah, you're always going to have that lag. We cannot replicate the analog flip flip flip of the 1970s yet. Why not, Tom? That's what I want. Someday. Someday we'll get back to that. I know we will. I remember getting digital TV for the first time from AT&T of all places, the pre-merger AT&T back in 1999. 1999 or 2000. I think it might have been 2000. And just being like, what? I can't just hit up and it goes up. I have to wait for it to load.  Yeah. And it's been bad ever since. I feel like I'm getting old, Tom. You can send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks. All right. Got a couple of messages of the day to get to before we finish up here. The first one comes from Marcelo in Brazil. He was driving to Rio while he recorded this. I assume he wasn't driving or else that could be dangerous. But he did sort of the file that I got was cut off right at the beginning. So if it starts abruptly, my apologies. But here's what Marcelo has to say. Here from Brazil, I was catching up on the episodes as I was driving from São Paulo to Rio de Janeiro. And on Thursday, you guys discussed the Apple announcement that they don't monetize data. Looks like a genius move on their side. If you look at the big bets from Apple, they are all around personal data. They presented the Apple Watch as the most personal device they ever had. They used the personal term a lot of times during the presentation and health data, financial data, even home kit. This is all about personal data. And if they bet that people will jump headfirst into quantified self going forward, only makes sense that they're breaking their competitor's leg by putting out there that these guys live out of sharing your data. My thoughts. I'm a proud patron. I devour every episode. Keep on the good work. Thank you. I wish I knew more Portuguese to thank you properly, Marcelo, but I appreciate that. And I appreciate you taking the time and effort to send that to us. He's dead on about the personal data. And that being one of the reasons that Tim Cook took that, took those kind of veiled jabs at Google in that privacy policy letter is to say, we all know you want to store your health data, your financial data, all of this stuff with somebody. We don't have an interest in spying on that, store it with us. Rob, do you think that is compelling? Do you think that people buy that? I buy it. I'm a big fan of big data. I'm an overshare. I think we all are in some way on Twitter or Facebook. But I am more apt to give it to Apple if they're going to carefully store it for me and then give it to only the things that I want it to go to versus going to say Google and it's sort of being lent to whoever wants to pay money for it. So I think it's definitely a good thing. I think those are good points. My hesitation with Apple in storing too much data with them, and this may be true of any big company, is that I worry about data portability. Google for all of their monetization and wanting to scan your emails and all of that does make an effort to say, we are going to tell you what we're doing with your data with a transparency report, your data out of things whenever we can. And so they've at least committed to data portability. And for the most part, they've acted on it. Apple, I feel like their tradition is we own the data that you store with us. And while we won't be nefarious with it, if you leave the Apple universe, you're not getting it back from Apple saying you could take it with you if you left. Yeah. I guess that is one of the biggest positives with Google is that you can pretty much remove your data from them at any given time. They're very easy about that. But I don't know. Everything in my ecosystem, I mean, this is obviously just my mileage, but everything in my computer, my phone, all the devices I use are pretty much Apple. So it just makes sense for me personally. Yeah. Did you get a six? Not yet. I just got a five S recently and I'm like, every two years, I can't just spend the money. Yeah. Yeah. No, I had a baby, Tom. Damn it. Yeah, you don't want to tell the baby. The baby won't understand that it can't eat today because daddy bought a six plus. I get you. Yeah, exactly. And our final email is about the six a few shows ago. I asked folks for their reviews and their feedback on the iPhone six. And we got here from time lady who says, I got the iPhone six plus and for a few reasons, I could say I am getting it because I'm an academic who lectures in IT topics. I'm also mobility impaired. So in a wheelchair, an electric one like Stephen Hawking has as well as manual at times, having an iPhone, iPad mini and MacBook Air is a lot to carry. The new phone replaces two of those devices. So that's a huge convenience. The security and improved iOS eight functionality is hugely convenient as well. Try reaching those card readers at checkouts that are often mounted in a fixed position when you're in a wheelchair. So TLDR version, shiny tech, cool concepts for teaching potential makes my disability less inconvenient, thus enhancing my life quality. And isn't that really what tech should be aiming for? Wow, that is a compelling reason if it's again, especially if you're living in the Apple universe to say, I'm going to replace two of these devices with one now. That's pretty fantastic. It is an interesting point to make that the six plus does sort of replace your phone and your iPod iPad mini. That's, I don't know if they really want that they want you to keep those, but it's sort of an interesting point. Thanks for the email time, buddy. That's a great perspective to have. Appreciate you writing in. All right. And thank you, Rob Krekkel for joining us. You can follow Rob on Twitter. He's Rob Krekkel, R-O-B-K-R-E-K-E-L. And what what sorts of things might they find? Should they follow you, Rob? You follow me. I post a lot about game audio and audio, but tech in general. I'm a big tech guy. But in addition to working on games, you'll get little tidbits of stuff I'm working on, but I'm also a sound designer for movies and other things. And if you're interested in filmmaking or you require some sound effects for your films, you can actually go by Bitly slash Triune S effects. And you can check out some of the sound packs that I made with the Filmrite guys, if you're familiar with that YouTube channel. Yeah, absolutely. So these are freely downloadable? They're not free. They're for purchase, but there are many packs. They're broken up into the most basic pack, which are very cheap and the more expensive packs, which kind of encompass everything. So there's guns and melee. We're not talking about like, I threw three or four sound effects at their people. Like you want a 357 Magnum sound effects pack that actually sounds like a 357 Magnum. This is the place to go. Right. There you go. This is crazy. Exactly. And they're all drop and ready. They're, you know, the idea is that they're for indie filmmakers or YouTubers to just take and drop into their films. And, you know, they don't have to worry about it. You get pro quality sound for these. Nice. And they've got some scores over there as well. That's really cool. So yeah, once again, bit.ly slash triune SFX.  And we'll make sure this gets in the show notes as well. Rob is great talking with you, man. This was really fun. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, thanks, Tom. I love, love D T N S. I am a Patreon, so I'm very happy to be on the show anytime. Well, thanks to you and the other 4,285 patrons for supporting the show. I really do appreciate it. Daily tech news show dot com slash donate is the place to go if you would like to support the show. All we ask is if you see some value in the show and you can afford to give some value back, then that's how you can do it. 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I'm glad we had a topic like Oculus today too because it's a nice cross section of wasn't top of the news so we weren't necessarily like repeating something something that I know the audience cares about and then we can have an ongoing kind of wider conversation but also plays into one of your areas of expertise as well. It's great. That kind of coalesced nicely. Yeah. That's good. And oh, you know what, when we were talking about the iPhone 6 plus replacing the iPad mini and a laptop, Curtis B in the chat room was saying that's why I'm getting a 6 plus won't even need a laptop bag anymore. I don't think I could do that because there are things that I do on my laptop that I just cannot replicate even on a 10 inch tablet. But the idea that the 6 plus is capable or the note for that matter doesn't even have to be the Apple product is capable of what my laptop 10 years ago was capable of fascinates me like if we could just get rollable screens and keyboards so that, you know, you're only carrying around the processor essentially and then you just plug it into whatever format you want. Yeah. Or really, you just need one of those projector keyboards. You don't even need the flexible one, right?  They're still not very, they work, but I mean, when it becomes viable maybe. Yeah. They've got some, they've got some work to do. Hey, Tom. Yes. Okay. So I accidentally opened FaceTime just randomly during the show. So now it has seized my video, but I'm still here. Okay. That's all. So we're now speaking with the Abyss. You're now speaking with the logo. Who are you FaceTiming with? So we can say hello. Nobody. It just, I think FaceTime's app sometimes just is near another app that I'm opening and it opens by mistake and then the entire universe collapses in on itself. And the settings in Google Plus or the Google Hangout won't take it back. That's messed up. Very polite app. Oh, no, no, that's yours. So, Rob, that was a great show. Great show. Thank you. Thank you. Come back. Anytime, anytime. I mean that. Yeah. It was really fun. I love when we talk about audio stuff. So we just hang around and edit and do stuff.  But if you want to stick around, stick around. I actually got about 20. So I'll stick around for a couple of minutes. You could help us with the show titles. Yeah, take off whenever you need to, but you're welcome to hang out as long as you want. I really want to get a six plus, but I wouldn't kid diapers and baby food are expensive, man. Yeah, I hear you. How's the baby? Baby's awesome. He is, he is like growing so fast. It's, you know, you think about, well, my, my phone is basically a computer. My kid went from being like a worm that ate, slept and pooped and kind of wiggled a little bit. And now he's like sitting up and smiling and laughing and can recognize me. And like, it's, the evolution is quite quick. Amazing. That is amazing. Oh boy. What do we got for titles? Here we go. So the top vote getters are two, the beats doesn't go on. I would go for the slightly grammatically incorrect. The beats don't go on just for the sound of it. You've got duck duck gone. I like the sort of odd poetic quality of it has its mother's visibility. We've got, there was one I really loved. Where is it? Well, we've got get the duck out of here, of course. And the other one was where to go.  Which is on the border, but I love it. I love a good pun. And then I guess there was some, let's see, Square is the new Blackberry, as in Square is the new Black, as in Square, because it's the Square Blackberry. Oh, Square, I get it, because of the square shape. I was thinking of the Square Company. I'm like, we didn't mention any stories about Square today. And then there's the always classic hate us on Yelp, which actually is pretty great. And by the way, that is possibly my favorite story I've ever seen on ours, Technica, like that guy just nailed it. It's so great. Yeah, I mean that, that e-mail is so good. The e-mail back is amazing. Yeah. You violated our fact. So there, Yelp. Oh man. So anyway, those are the options. We'll give it a moment and then, and then select. Tom, I should ask you this before the show, but where's the chat? What chat do you guys use? Oh, IRC, Diamond Club or? Yeah, we use the Diamond Club chat, the same one. Oh, I should have logged on. Dang it. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to tell you about it. I should have mentioned that. It's probably better that I wouldn't stare at the chat at the whole time. Well, you can get in there now if you want. What do you think? What's the plan?  And I even like it as phrased there. Yeah, I like that too. I think that is the winner. Although I will say a prayer for it has its mother's reversibility because. Well, thank you. I wrote that. I know that's why you're not picking it because you're being. I'm happy that you like it. Honest about your writing, but you shouldn't be because that was good. It's also a little long for a title, but. Yeah. That is mother's reversibility. It's about like the most benign story in the bunch too. Yeah. The thing is like, I know that there are at least a dozen people in the audience that are like, Oh, that's so cool. USB with displayed for it. That's amazing. That's going to solve so many problems for me. That's why I like doing those stories. It's like that's Thunderbolt under a different name. Essentially, well, and that's why they're excited. They're like, I don't have to pay for Thunderbolt. I can just go with USB 3.0 C or USB 3C or whatever. Are we all watching Gotham tonight? Are we excited for that? Are we? It's set to record on my DVR. The fact that the main villain they're pushing is not from the DC universe at all is kind of like worrisome to me. Yeah. It's the smallville problem. Right? And it's actually the Arrow problem as well, where they're like, yes, you can live in this universe, but only in this part. So Arrow has done a really good job, whereas smallville had moments of brilliance. But I felt like they suffered from that restriction. Well, yeah. They suffered 10 seasons long right into a Brinks truck. Yeah. And they also like, come on, season seven, you were done. Why? I don't know why they kept going. I know. We watched it faithfully if it wasn't painfully, because it had such an impact in the beginning. Yeah. Those first four seasons were great. But the problem is, if you say you can't live in the entire universe, but Superman is your main character, but he can never be Superman, like you're kind of set up for not being able to end that series well. Yeah. Whereas, I think they ended it as well as they could have. Yeah, maybe. Given certain circumstances. I certainly couldn't have ended it better. I'm not going to claim I could have. Yeah. But it was a close series close to my heart. Because that was like, that also represents one of the last times we ever went to the video store and ran right out and got the next season. Yeah. We did the same thing. Actually, it had a real impact. And I hope the best for Gotham, but I do wonder. I ended up giving our DVD sets to a neighbor in Oakland, whose kid, he bought one of them at a garage sale we were having. And then he knew we had more than just the first season. So he came back. He's like, do you have the other seasons? Because my kid's really into this. I'm like, here, just take them. Give them back if you want. If you don't, no big deal. But yeah, knock yourselves out. Enjoy. Because by that point, we're like DVDs. We don't use DVDs anymore. I still use very cool round items that I put into my PlayStation. So that still lives. Yeah, I have to do that. I'm still a disc person. I still buy Blu-rays. I'm a sucker. I don't know. Do you really? You buy Blu-rays, huh? Yeah, I'm an audio guy. Yeah. Can't really get uncompressed audio. Sure. No, that makes sense. Yeah. Granted, I don't buy that many these days. It's pretty, I pretty much pick and choose. It's like a vent beast. Well, I've got a handful. I have like the final season of Lost on Blu-ray, because that's what it first, you know, they were putting stuff out. And I have the last couple of seasons of Doctor Who, and I have Star Trek by JJ Abrams, Star Trek. I think those are all the Blu-rays I have, though, right there. I have a couple Marvel movies on Blu-ray, because they're just fun to look at. And wow, every noise is happening in my neighborhood right now, like all of them. The blower, the garbage, like airplanes. It's amazing. Do you hear it, Rob? Because I don't, I'm gone. Yeah, I hear it. I hear there's something like a Power Saw or Airplane. Yeah, Power Saw. Something like that. Yeah. It's the joy of the IFB. I don't hear any of it. Yeah. Well, that's good. Let's see. What else? What else is it going on? Agents of Shields back? Yes, finally. Please still be good. With Xena? Is it good? I watched like the first three episodes, and I was not impressed. Tom and Jenny would like to tell you something. Yes, Jenny, you take this one. Okay. So it is, it was an entire show waiting for the release of Captain America. Okay. And without giving anything away, the moment, like the lead up to the time period in which Captain America was about to be released, it suddenly found purpose and meaning and was everything you could have hoped it would be from a shield-centric thing. But boy did we all have to suffer for a couple episodes because Captain America wasn't coming out till April. And they really should have just started the show in January. So please, if you have spare time, go watch it, suffer through, you can even fast forward parts, you find silly, which we did. And then you'll get to these episodes and all of a sudden you'll be like, whoa, hey, that got better. So there you go. I think it was I09 that did a really good, like here are the episodes before the Captain America crossover. You need to watch to understand what's going on. And then, and it was only like five or six episodes. Yeah. So it's worth it. Will it remain worth it while they wait for next Avengers? I don't know. But at least they have richness of storytelling that you were hoping for all along. And the later season, later in the season they have the crossovers that you were hoping for, you know, like the guest appearances. But they're always like very teasy. So it's like, not quite the character you super want to see, but that was nice. What are you talking about? The finale with the... No, I know, yeah. The finale with the person with the thing. And Agent What's Her Face showed up. And I did enjoy the Thor crossover, although I could have picked other... I enjoyed it anyway. Yeah, you don't actually see Thor, Captain America. Yeah. Yeah, I'm waiting for that moment. I'm interested, though, because I mean, without getting into spoiler territory, the events of the movie kind of shift things a bit. Right. Yeah. That's what makes the show finally work. They're dealing with those shifts. All right. And you're like, oh, now it's interesting. It gets very shifty. Yeah. So yeah, it's quite good. And I'm happy about that. And I'm just happy any TV is on at all again, even if it's going to take a while to roll the really good stuff out. Because Outlander is ending. I'm in trouble. I've been watching Fargo. I've been catching up on that. I liked the leftovers in the end, which I know you disagree with me on. I disagree. What else have I been watching? It's been kind of nice to be able to just sample. We binged on Once Upon a Time last night. Yeah. That has its moments. It suffers from network TV. Something is on my nose. It's on the nose. But I think those are not a result of the writers. That's a result of network notes. Like this is for a certain age of people. And you can be dark, but you have to explain everything as opposed to leave anything to change. Well, we were playing Star Force on our Nexus 7s while watching it. So it was kind of the perfect combination. Yeah. No, that is. You don't have to pay 100% attention to that one. That is fine. I think I have so many shows to catch up on. It's hard, though, because my wife is so not into television that isn't the Housewives, which makes me a little dead inside. It's funny, though, because she's super. I think it's the curse of being super intelligent, right? She is a doctorate. She's getting her second doctorate. So she's super intelligent all the time. So when she does it for entertainment, she really wants to turn her brain off. And then she gravitates towards those really crappy Bravo shows. I think that's fair. I think when you get more than one doctorate, you get to do whatever you want. I don't argue with it. I just let it happen. I'm like, I'm not into this. I want to watch The Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I just have to get in my TV show watching when I can. Yeah, I imagine hour-long television takes a serious perspective shift when you have a little human. Yeah, although it's not too bad. He goes to bed at 7 o'clock, so it's really not that bad. Oh, just wait. Yeah, just wait. At the moment, I should say. Yeah. Although he did just start sleeping through the night again last night, which... Yay, good job, Karen. Good time. Good timing.   And he was just waking up constantly because he was just amazed by his abilities. It's like, I have so much power. This is so much fun. Nice. So cool. I never get tired of babies. Babies are super cool. Let's see. All right, so we have a title. I can get rid of that. We have... Yeah, I'm out of the post. Boom, done. Wow, I am... Hey, Tom, I'm getting emails from you to the DTNS account so late. I just got one of the discussion emails like right now. Weird. Can you guys see that on my camera? That's my little man. Let's see. Hold on, let me see, hold on.  You know what?  Hold on. Talk. This is my son, Robbie. He's adorable. He's sitting there. It's amazing. I couldn't help it. So cute. He is sitting upright. Little bit of help. He's not quite there yet. He's almost there though. He was propped. You can't tell. He looks like he's doing it himself. He's very pleased. All right, everybody.  We are too. Thanks again, Rob. All right, thank you. All right, guys. Bye.