How do you know it's not to do with that? Yeah, Jay, not all lexicons. Well, then he would still be a lexicon. Yeah, but you've blamed the fact that he's a lexicon for his bad behavior. No, I would be able to handle getting divorced without stabbing someone. Aren't you like highlighting how bigoted you are? You're like, oh, I don't like any lexicons because of how one of them treated me. Yes. Yes. I'm disappointed. No, no, no. I didn't like them before that. And I was like, well, this proves my point. Like, that's what I was thinking as it was bleeding out. That sounds like a low level of statistics. But it was like the third time that day it happened. Oh, the third time. You think three is a pattern? That's the like the scientific number to establish a pattern. Oh, so now we're appealing to science. No, I didn't think you'd want to do that. Okay. Hang on. I'm putting up the proper chat because I'll have to do that these days. Correctimundo. It is up. It's like, it's like we're all here and then chat has to enter the call. Like as there are. Like, there they go. Oh, and of course thumbnails must sort out thumbnails as you do. Like, should we like talk about some stuff while we're while we're. Yeah. What do you what would you like to talk about? What would you like to discuss? Movies because I've watched a few of them lately, but I feel like nobody else has. Jay, what's the newest movie you watched? The newest movie I watched. Probably Rise of Skywalker. I don't know. 1917. That's the last I went to the cinema. You're gonna ask something. Are you going to go see Bids of Prey? Yeah, I was about to say how about that? Probably not planning on it at least. Let's take a peek at the rotten tomatoes because I think it was really high when it started. Yeah, I'm sure it's very high. It's a very well received. Oh, sure. Oh, yeah, it still is. It's at 82 percent right now and the audience say 84. What? I mean, I have. I've not heard only bad things. I have heard some good things. I've heard that Margot Robbie and you and McGregor are great. A great knit. A great knit. And that's like the only thing the movie has going for it. I've heard he's a little bit like absurdly evil. As in like he's like he's like cartoonishly against women or something. I was like, oh, I mean, it's a shame, but what are you going to do? Harley Quinn's one of those. Apparently that's like the biggest reason he hates her. Oh, wow. That's so dark. I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen it. I don't misrepresent. There's probably a big Bids of Prey fan in chat right now. It's like, what? That is not the case. But I've heard that because he's black mask. I've heard that they've they've pooped on his character from from the comics. Oh, yeah. I've heard that he's different from the comics. It was the Birdman's review that I got all this from. He's the only person I've heard talk about it so far. Is it a fear of you, Jay? Yeah. Well, I don't know.  So you're saying you can't even trust him. You can't even trust him. I heard from somebody say that the characters are really, really poorly, I guess, adapted from their comic versions. Yeah. Like they say that really just really badly done. They're not anything like them, but they suffer for it because the comic ones are apparently interesting and these people are not.   It hurts doubly when, you know, they have source material to draw from that's really good. Yeah, I'll tell you what. They just decided to not do it. The whole adaptation conversation gets quite interesting at that point because the thing is if you have two people who hate the movie, one of them hates it is a poor adaptation. The other one hates it because it's a poor movie in general or something. Then when the poor adaptation arguments are given, the person who hates the movie isn't going to go, no, that's not why it's bad.  It sounds like they should have done way better. They will be on the same team pretty much. There's only when you have stuff like Spider-Man Homecoming and all that where they split apart. So like high top appealing to people who are like saying that it's not accurate to the comics. It's just probably not going to work out. And besides, I thought Joker did take stuff from the comics like a lot of it. Like the Bruce Wayne character. I don't know about that guy. Is he in the comics? I don't know. I think one of them was supposed to be Alfred from what I've heard. I'm not sure about it yet though. Are you sure about that? Is that supposed to be Alfred? I don't know. I'd have to check with my Alfred. I don't know. Hello all of my Alfreds. Hello all of my Alfreds. Check them against the Alfred registrar that we have. We have an Alfred? What? Yeah, we have a registry of all Alfreds. Literally every Alfred that ever existed. Yeah. And so if he's in there, then I'd be very curious because that just seems like how you'd find out.  We could have used that during the Ralph video. But I do feel out of the loop on Bids of Prey. Like everybody's been talking about it. I really don't want to go to the theater. Yeah, no, same. I didn't realize the people were going to care. I thought he was going to disappear. But I was like, oh my god. People don't want to... I think it's just because, I don't know, it's like this is something that a good chunk of people actually care about the Bids of Prey Comic, I guess. I don't know if it's like a full comic on its own or if that's like a team that they were. That's the name of their team. And then all of the stuff, like as I've heard about Ewan McGregor being like, it's a film about misogyny bad. It'll make misogynist tremble. And like, I don't think that would be enough. I heard as well that it's apparently pretty brutal. Like not gory, but... Violent? Yeah, like... Straight at R? I don't know, is it? Might be, but it will either way. What does the R stand for? Really, really, really... Really? Great! Really? Just really. Really? That's what it means. It just means really. Really? Really? And yeah, like the funny part where you go, you contextualize it movie-wise, you're like, oh, it's a sequel to Suicide Squad, technically. It's like, ooh. That was a good name. Yeah, they didn't want to call it Suicide Squad 2, did they? Well, I think there's going to be a... Is it? Are they rebooting? Yeah, there is. Yeah, I can't remember. Well, either way... It's James Gunn's reboot, isn't it? I was just thinking to myself, like, because they're concerned about it not making enough money, right? As well, this one, and they're probably going to be going the route of... What did Elizabeth Banks say about Charlie's Angels? Men aren't watching it because they hate women or something? Just one of those perspectives.  It's apparently really good, but, you know, those men, they don't want to watch a film with a bunch of chicks.   Like, that just doesn't appeal to a lot of men. I remember seeing a meme about an article being written that's saying, this movie is not for men. Go away. And then another article from the same publication saying, why aren't men seeing this movie? Whether or not that's true is... I believe it on the face of it that that's a thing. I absolutely believe, too. I'm gonna shout out of the doubt that that is absolutely a thing. I want to find it. Yeah, I kind of do, too. I can't remember if it was Birds of Prayer or Little Women. I'm pretty sure it was Little Women. I mean, are you saying that these people went to simultaneously have men do the things that they want, but also insult them and degrade them and make fun of them for being men at the same time?  Would they do that on the internet? No. Rags is just trying to scare you. It's like... His little boogeyman stories. He's being the Christmas, the Halloween skeleton. That's his persona when he does that. Oh, that. Yeah, I just did a reference.  I'm a boner. Rags, do you remember the Halloween skeleton? I do remember the Halloween skeleton. I think so, at least. I had not remembered it whatsoever to see it in the meme videos. I was like, what? Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought it was the Christmas skeleton. Oh, fucking, I don't even remember. I thought you did it on Halloween. No, it's the Halloween skeleton. Yeah, and you give presents to scary children. Oh, yeah. I think that's the Christmas skeleton. Or was it the Halloween skeleton? No, it was the Halloween skeleton. That's what it's saying to you. You're really upsetting Jay now.  That's right. Yeah, he was right, actually. Let me have a look-see, look here. Because, you know, in my travels, I do collect questions and I remember thinking there may have been one for... Oh. Yeah, there is one for Jay here.  To... I just didn't like him. Oh. Is that enough? Like, how did you get away with it at that point? Oh, the amount of shad questions I've got.  Are they about sore? They're about all kinds of things. He's not a one-trick pony. Good gibbers. How many tricks does he have? Uh, three-ish? Why not as many? I don't know why you'd go through all the trouble to have a pony and train it to just stop at one trick. I have tricks at all. It's a living, breathing being. It deserves respect. Pretty sure you're at the pony in a battle.  I'm on the street corners at night. Yeah, exactly. I was about to... They're doing that one movie, Taxi Driver, that isn't all that good? Wait a minute, is that the same one that you're not allowed to say that about? I have seen it. Wait, it's baseballs. Rags is like the biggest taxi driver enemy that exists on planet Earth. That's right. If it was better, we liked it more.  The comedy is better than the Joker's. What'd you say that would?  You need to have a controversial movie take so that we can do it with four of us, then, but all four different things. Oh. Okay. Which one is mine? I've got a few, I imagine. I'm trying to think of what's the take I have that pisses off Chat the most. Interstellar Bad? I think most people are okay with that now. Yeah, that's probably it right there. To be fair, though, I haven't actually seen King of Comedy or Taxi Driver. I plan to eventually. We'll see.  It's like he's on one of these. It's like, ugh. Didn't realize. Like he's out of the week. Therefore, it's bad. It's like, I can't. You guys just can't take it.  I can't. Yeah, because I remember when I watched both of those, I was thinking, wow, this isn't like Joker at all. Well, yeah, we had to remind sort of sit and see this. He was like, oh yeah, this other film where like immersed in an exploring is supposed to be like this completely other film. You're like, oh. I wonder if Joker came out first and then Taxi Driver and King of Comedy came out. People will be calling them Joker ripoffs. Oh, I said baby driver's bad. That's true. And I stand by that the writing in that film is horrible, but production elements are fantastic.  You don't like Boss Baby. Apparently people say that's good. I haven't seen Boss Baby. I don't know. It's like I saw. I think I saw a Twitter thread that Stratomire was part of and he was they were talking about how Boss Baby was underappreciated or something. All right. That's news to me, I guess. I had no idea. I honestly hadn't heard or thought about Boss Baby in a very long time. It normally doesn't pop into my mind. I've not seen it. It's a masterpiece. Once in my hot take is Spider-Man Homecoming and Far From Home of Good Movies. Homecoming is a good movie. Far From Home is. You're being right. Doesn't make it a hot. Isn't what makes it a hot take? I was going to say like I'm thinking more. Really solid. And besides we did the polling. Like loads of people think that Homecoming is a good film. We're looking at stuff that's like, I don't know. It's like the most. I mean Godzilla got us a lot of trouble. 2001 movie. Step three where they're like, Oh, it's Godzilla.  No, not the, not the 2001.  It doesn't have to have anything good. The classics that you think are wildly overrated. Like. Taxi driver. I guess. Yeah. King comedy. Yeah. I like comedy a lot. 2001. How do you feel about that? I mean, I would probably have to rewatch it and go super critical. But like I liked it when I watched it. I mean, I would probably have to rewatch it and go super critical. But like I liked it when I watched it. What about you, Jay? I think it's fine. And it gets a bit up itself at the end. Like you suggested that it climbs up its own anus. I would. Yes. Does it use grappling hooks? Yeah. How else would you get up there? You probably just grab in, right? Just a handful. You've clearly never climbed John Wick three. So it said that's probably true. But once Mel gets his video sorted, that will become less and less of a hot take. Trust me on that. John Wick two and three are just not good. Jay, I have another one I've saved for you. Ready? Yes. It says, Jay, call to rags like dog properly this time. Rags like dog. Like dog. Like dog. I think it's like rags. Hey, boy. Come on. Come over. And then you look at rags as icon and that's his reaction. If you look at the assortment of the avatars on the stream, it looks like he's really concerned that I'm staring at him that way.  I'm staring at the audience, compelling them to let this happen. No, it looks like we're both looking in that direction. Disturbing creature with all the teeth has arrived. Jay's over here like, yeah, kill him. We've just been like rags. You deal with it. And we've both pushed him. I'm actually playing Guild Wars 2 right now as a char. All my characters are char because char are amazing. What's a char? How do you spell that?  Oh my God.  Oh, that.   This massive incredible magical world and you could play as like legionary martial cat bear people who killed their gods with guns and stuff.  Hey, man, humans are cool.    So I think I've got a lot of meme images and so the idea I think is going to be I'm going to we got we got main events and I'm going to put memes between each of the main events. All right. Okay. Sounds good. We're going to start with with a tasty I said start already. Now my English is terrible. I was going to say start with a tasty starter, but that doesn't I can't work that. Let's just rewind time for a second. It's rewind time. We're going to we're going to we're going to advertise out with a tasty appetite. It didn't work out. Okay. So the first Well, actually, yeah, I was going to say I guess I could do the whole thing. So the first video we're going to look at is a funny thing that I'll share to me. We're Monday, Matt's being asked about EFAP and it's only like a minute or two. It's just funny. Second one is it's only a six minute video, so it shouldn't take as long to get through and it's very amusing. It's a it's a guy who's usually destroying the argument about being objective about movies, but this one isn't it doesn't even feel like it's addressing us at all, but I'm pretty sure it is because it shows us in the video, but it's it's an amusing video and it'll be fun to talk about. There it will be the conversation with I Hate Everything, which is like an hour long and I imagine there'll be minimal pausing for clarification, but that'll be the weirdest part of our podcast ever because we will be running a podcast while podcasting technically. And yeah, yeah, after that we'll look at the Star Wars Episode 9 Colin Trevoro script. We're not looking at the whole thing. I know the whole thing has been released. We're going to look at the plot summary and just talk about some of the ideas. I'm not going to, like I said, not going through the whole thing like if I can at that point we may as well start going through just fan fictions, right? Because that's essentially what it became by not being officialized because that's kind of how we work it, right?  And at the end of all that we've got whether or not a quote comes from Movie Bob or a Nazi. I'm so excited. That one has been pushed through loads of different potential episodes. I'm hoping we get to it this one. But if we don't it will definitely be gotten to eventually. And that is the promise of mohler-related content. I will always things get delayed but they always eventually come out. That is the thing that happens, right? Even if it takes till I'm like 90 years old. So... We have to try, please. Just got a selection of memes first and then we're going to be moving on to that Monday video, right? So the first wonderful one is we got a... I mean it's representative episode 9 I think. I like it. Yep, yep. I don't want to play with you anymore. I mean... This is an unrelated meme but it does have something to do with media and cinema. Oh, okay. Oh, Jesus. Oh. Oh, no. How could you do it? It actually gets... What's incredible is that it gets worse the longer you look at it. Yeah, I'm feeling it right now. It's just more of a ways to interpret and that's bad. I'm not in that rat. I think people assume that they have my day off. I go outside on a chair and I let my legs go loose which is very, very long. Oh, that's the world's tallest man. You. I guess that's me, yeah.  I'm like, you're mad. Think about how big that chair is. That lady over there is like, man, that guy is big. Yeah, that's what she's thinking. That's what she's thinking. Oh, this is like a...  What is happening in these? Is that just like an actual thing?  I think of these with these. I love a matter of fact that is like, I agree, Rex. I agree. Who would you rather be of those two? One extra leg. Yeah, for the dude, I guess. One extra leg. Yeah, I think so.  I think she's just turning it a bit. No, look at the knee. Look at how the knee and the foot are like on different sides of the leg.  Yeah, it's like, I was thinking you would balance yourself easier with four legs, but then I see that busted one and I'm starting to reconsider. Yeah, and the other two, they can't reach the ground. If I was the dude, I'd just pretend to be a destroyer droid. This is the eFab memes, but I can't remember what the context is. Frog, fire, frog earth, frog, water, frog. I guess because of the desert frog. These are all the different other frogs. Yeah, we thought it was weird. There were frogs in the desert, but apparently they're a thing. Desert frogs are a thing. Frogs in the desert. One of them wants to play in with being censored and then it's just like, oh, that's in the first half, not going to lie. See the first half of the meme, you're like, oh, God. And then second, I was like, oh, it's just an adorable rags, but then you could have a third slide that takes it to all different places too. I want to be surrounded by big titty schoolgirls on my couch. So I got that pink pillow. It's a very accurate meme. I don't even need to have seen the anime to know.  She's just looking in the car. They say you're the best guy in the neighborhood. Oh, Rogers, which is a pretty relevant meme because I've been watching that movie. Oh, would you be my neighbor? A beautiful day in the neighborhood, I think it's called. Are they? Oh, that all the documentary, right? It's just like a film, isn't it? Comments. I remember there was. Oh, OK. Yeah, this is Vigo the Mortensen with his blade. What is the meme here? Am I am I lost? The being, the being subtle is subtle. So I guess they have blade, blade. It's exactly certain how it all fits together. But I'm I've got some of the pieces jiggling around. That's played, played. We're going to freshen up Mordor. No one doesn't care about frogs. So this is a falsehood and upsetting falsehood. I absolutely care about frogs. One of my one of my friends is a frog. Mike Myers, isn't he the Halloween guy? Yes, 100 percent. I didn't realize that they'd actually started selling muesli in tops with my face on it. But hey, we're never ready for this. Is that illegal? Possibly. I don't really know. Uncut gyps. I know what I'll be watching. We're actually planning to watch that. We get one of them Oscar nominees, I believe. This is a pretty cool snapshot from that football match that we had recently. A great turn out. That's that's incredible. Someone says settling in for an eight hour stream and I'm sitting here thinking that's it. When they get you going in a straight line and you're just. That's so great. I think this was when we were talking about the potential of a Jedi sniper. Was it? Who is that? Blue man group. No, really something. Is that you and McGregor on the screen? No. Is it? I don't think so. Pat, decipher this one for us. I don't know who that is. I feel like there are multiple layers to this meme. I feel like this is. Well, yeah, it would make sense because he's Obi-Wan, right? Jedi sniper. He uses a sword. Yeah, but we were talking about the potential of a Jedi sniper. Yeah. I guess he could moonlight as a Jedi sniper when he's not swinging and using his lighty saver.  How is this an EFAP meme? Well. Objectively. Objectively. Yeah. Oh, OK. That's our word. Yep. We own that weird now. We came up with it. This is mine. My OC do not steal. Why are my kings turning into sims? I remember that there is context with this one. It's in relation to. Possibly explain. We're trying to explain to people. No, no, no, no. It makes sense. Just give me a second to remember. But it makes sense. I believe it makes sense. I believe in miracles. Miracles. OK, now I understand the memes back on track. Good follow up. Oh, I look so happy to see him. Yay. You have to be a young Michael Cain, though. Oh, yeah, this is less a meme or just a funny thing for those who don't know. In the prequels, they've got a shot there where they're reflecting Obi-Wan's lightsaber off the back of a window, which is obviously not necessary, but it's a detail they added anyway because these lightsabers aren't actually, especially the prequel ones, they don't light up. While they film the Rise of Skywalker and stuff like that, they have like little glow sticky ones. And yeah, and when they did Rise of Skywalker, I still, like I've talked to Rise of Skywalker. I don't understand how this happened. So like in the original version, he actually had, the cloak is actually there when he's doing his thing. He's when he's fighting here. He's wearing that. So they obviously CGI'd in his reflection into the water. So that means that surely they would have done the rest of it, right? Wait, wait, wait, wait. How'd you know that he had the cloak when it was being filmed? There's like a little behind-the-scenes shot that I saw with this fight. That would make it worse because then they would have been told, you have to CGI in the cape. And while they were doing that, they didn't put the reflection in. No, well, but the cape, he's wearing the cape. Yeah, it would have been bad either way. Oh yeah, I'm just saying that that's the mechanics of this one. And it's just strange.  Or if the guy was rushed. Or if they just said you don't need to because no one will notice. Rise of Skywalker. My guess is that we're told you don't need to. Probably. Someone messed up. It's not like it's a big deal. What do you think of this meme, Rex? See, I would say we have good odds because Mando isn't exactly that competent, but then again, we're the stormtroopers in this scenario, so we've got no odds. I like how they put the icons behind the, like there's depth of field on the guns that he keeps, which is really good. It's a good meme. Also, I was spotted in Borderlands again, apparently. I am Jamula. Stop playing Borderlands. You've got videos to make.  You play Minecraft. Yeah, and I made a video about it. Not good enough. Oh. Very upsetting meme. That is upsetting. Oh, man. Though I really want to see this movie, I don't know what is coming out.  Did I look at it just as Alfred? Alfred? The long man, the six-year-old Alfred. The man's got some opinions. Yeah, so this one's going to take some deciphering. I remember a meme about glue and leaves. What? He's more glue than leaves now. Something. Something about, I forget the context of when this was said, but something about it. Oh, it's like a long lost dream that I'm remembering. Exactly. It's like more glue than leaves. I could just talk about how somebody was constructed of glue and leaves or something. Yeah. I am attempting to find out.  Let me in chat. Love you, Mola. I love you too, random commenter. Come and join us. There's a rage coming. I know. Yeah. You just don't see that very well. This is taking it back, man. This is a depiction of Lesbonius, one of the many philosophers of past age. Lesbonius. Wow. Oh, my goodness. That looks really good. It's a good bid. Someone's got the time on that. That looks so good. I want to chat. So the House of Leaves from Farewell Wolf. House of cards, but with leaves. Oh, OK. He's more glue than leaves. Anyone mentions Mandalorian? Oh, it's the guy who... It's the same gas mask. It's like all the glue. Also, I like that version of Rags. That is funny. That shows bad. I like this one. I'm going to work out where to change my mind. What was he thinking when he said that? Partway through the video, I think all thought went out the window. Those really weird padded windows made of construction paper. I don't know what was going on back there. This is a good meme. What is happening in this meme? This is a good meme. This is what Yang was talking about. If you were working in an Applebee's, who would you rather have as your manager, Ray or Kylo? This meme is very literal. It was obviously Ray, because I don't want Kylo to flip out and start killing people. He's bound by the laws of the land. He's not leader of the supreme order. I don't think he'd care.  If you hire Ray, all she has to do is flick her wrists and it will become the greatest Applebee's location in all the land. For no reason. You regenerate money. We show TLJ to Patrick and he's okay with it. Then we show Joker and he's terrified. Applebee's isn't terrible. You don't have to say that it's coming from her butt. Ray but food. Ray but food. Ray but food. I need it. I like this meme.  You want to tell me a joke? Ironic you wouldn't guess it. This was done after that weird video MovieBob made.  It's just a really weird video. Oh yeah, I remember seeing that.  A best video can be weird, Jay. You racist. No, I can't. Yeah, that is kind of racist, Jay. Weird of the day, Hierophant, a person who explains one who defends or maintains a causal proposal. Wow, that's a weird you don't hear enough considering what it means. Yeah, it's one of those oldie goldies. One of those ones we use it and someone's like, what's wrong with you? Like, oh. Someone drew me on a thing. I remember the context of this one saying that it was like a board you could draw anything on and someone drew a long man. Yo, he's got coffee Tim. Yeah, I'm not alone. I can smell the sweet scent of coffee Tim.  Is that baby Yona and a stocking? Yes, I think so. I dig it. I want it to be either. Then there's this one. Oh my goodness. I was hacked. And I think Porcus made this. He was on the super check catch up recently. That alien is gloriously attractive. Is that your high quality alien? I mean, no, no, no, no. That one's like a step up though. I like the dirty quality one. Yeah. Keep it for now. But I like that too. I like that too. Also this. Yeah, you'll like this. It's very traumatic. I guess it was like a Resident Evil or something. That's the Resident Evil 3 remake that's coming out soon. I'm really looking forward to that. Sorry. Why am I in chains? This feels like a BDSM thing. Maybe it's an alien reference. It's a Persona 5 reference. Explain it to me in detail. In detail. I will try. OK, the Velvet Room is where your characters level up. And the guy in the cell is your main character known as Joker. I don't know. I don't know the parallels between E.R. and Mahler in terms of Persona 5, but maybe it's just because E.R. likes anime. Now you're stuck with it mostly? Makes sense to me. Why are you chained up? I don't know. Like I said, more context we lack. That comes... I don't want to like spoil the game or nothing, but you figure it out toward the end. When we were talking about the folly of using dinosaurs in your army or whatever for like modern combat, that we were like, you don't have to feed your bullets. Someone did a rendition of having to do such things. Cute little bullets just eating what looked like small bullets. That's so cute. Gotta keep them well. I want to see this picture. Look, my gun was crying in the previous one. It was like, we're hungry. I look genuinely like afraid for them. Like, oh my god. I'm sorry I didn't feed you. I'm so sorry bullets. This is a big mashup. Oh my god. E.F.A.P. Chan. You got the shades and the gas mask at the same time. Stick like weapon. Of course. Rhino milk on the back. E.F.A.P. Chan is like a keychain which is pretty cool. The Isle of Man flag, of course. E.F.A.P. Chan. She is unstoppable in the art of war.  Then this one was previously black and white and now it's in colour.  Oh dude. Oh wow. Look at this. I could watch that show. Dude, this is sick. I was going to say this. Look, there's a tunnel on the robot dog. There's a little tunnel on the robot dog. It's a rhino. It's not a robot dog. Oh it is. Sorry. No, no, no. It was scrolled out of frame for me in my bed. So Jay is part of it. He's like a robot. He's got the big tank of rhino milk on him. Even got a beanie. It's like we have the main manufacturer but I think I've got my own like it doesn't matter if I choose to. Wait. Although I am like I think I have to take the rhino milk canisters off my back. Yeah, I think you're just pumping that out of directly of the rhino. Unless the rhino is powered by it and you bring the milk to it. I don't know. No, I think I'm powered by the rhino milk. Very well. So you got Aiden Paladin. We have Mahler there. And then Stullesgill. Who's a dude on the right? That's Nordrotic. He's done it. So short. Is he a short man in IRL? I don't know. I think it's because we put him as Gimli and we were doing a Lord of the Rings thing back at like several e-faps ago. I really like the wolf spirit next to me. Yeah, it's coming out of your sword. Yeah, it's coming out of your sword. Yeah. I really like that. Oh, I thought that was I thought that was like the spider on his gun. There's a spider on the helmet down there. Wait, so you have you have a sword that's like that contains the spirit of wolf? Apparently. You could call the sword wolf's bite. Is there a high resolution version of this? Yeah, you can just if you just open original that's what I was doing originally. And that's why I asked myself and thought that was a robot dog because the rhino head was cut out. I was looking over to the right. Who drew this? What's the name? I also got Bagidius on his weapon that I don't know the name of. There's no signature on this. I can find out the name. One moment. You're pretty motherfuckers. Master. Master's Lou. Master's Lou. At least that was the I think that was the handle on Twitter. Yes. Wonderful stuff. Well, that's true. Good job, Lou.  Naturally. Yeah, I saw that. Why wouldn't it, Jay? Yeah. Yeah. So is this a game or is this a TV show or an anime? Clearly it's all of them. It's a media conglomerate that just covers everything. It's a TV Shonimu. TV Shonimu. Shonimu. I'm not going to complain about that. I like it. Wow. And that is the end of portion one of which I think there's going to be about six of those about that size for us to get through all of it. But it'll be just peppered throughout. And that is how you properly pace memes. See, EFAP podcast has pacing now. That's how much funding we've gotten from our local militia. Generous art, yeah. You can call EFAP chat that, right?  That's what I call pod racing. Yes. All right. Now for chapter two of the women haters podcast. What's next?   Are you interested in seeing Bezapray? I don't know. How about that? Again, not saying nothing, but I mean, that is a women film.  No. What a coincidence. And let me guess, you saw Captain Manpower's new movie from Marvel this year, right? Captain Manpower. Captain Manpower is the hero I made up a few EFAPs ago. He throws slabs of meat at people and he has like two giant miniguns in his hand or something. I can't remember. Oh, no. Captain Manpower. I don't want to watch that.   All right. Oh, no. He just lays down on all the benches so that nobody can sit. He sits at the center of a trade and extends his legs all the way through the tree. Non-gel pass. You don't understand.    All right. Is that offensive? It's too small. Women is the double whammy, then. Yeah, I was going to say. There's some kind of offense going on there, but I just have to figure it out. Also, I think. Yeah. We'll come back to that. We'll show you on Twitter later. As long as you get to it.  For example, saying Spaceballs is boring? No, I sound like that. When you run for president and then they're like... I would like to expose Senator Exit for his awful... They won't have to expose me for that because it will be my main policy. Oh, so you're going to lose. Yeah. So you want to... Do you really think you're going to be able to win the vote by running on Spaceballs being boring? I'm pretty sure if you just came out and said you know what? I'm pro-ISIS. That would go over better with people. I think Spaceballs is boring. Well, people are scared of the truth, Rags. I don't know. Senator Exit sounds like the emboss of metal you're rising to or something, if that ever comes out. Senator Exit. Yeah. You do sound kind of villainous, Jay, and I'm just saying the only policy you've ran on is a very villainous policy too.   That's why you don't like Spaceballs, of course, because there is a woman in that, I think. All comes together. Women. You have to check. Yeah. You know, disappointing isn't really good enough to sum up how I feel about you, Jay. I hope you know that. Barely a film, Robert, gave Birds of Prey a 9 out of 10. 9? I thought it was 8. Which I'm not at all surprised about.  I was like, oh, God. Oh, yes, of course, the incredible message of Birds of Prey as opposed to Joker, which doesn't have anything to say. It's just like, if he's honestly going to argue, it's like, yeah, you know, misogyny is a problem. I'll be like, what a great message. Maybe he can sum it up for us in one sentence. I love how, like, Joker probably did that message better than Birds of Prey in terms of, like, I haven't seen it yet, but the idea of, like, what would solve misogyny? It's like, if everybody was trying to each other to a degree, probably.  Eugenics! Duh! Well, I mean, have Eugenics ever failed? Yeah. Real Eugenics just hasn't been tried yet. Exactly. That's true. Very, very true. Very, very true. All right, anyway. Why don't you say that like a Frenchman? Well, because the French often talk about truth, don't they? The truth is what they call it. Like, I think most other places on the planet prefer lies, because lies are like more realistic. You're pretending to be French to give yourself more credibility. That's pretty shitty. No, I'm aspiring to be a French because they are the honesties. You mean, like, Joker aspires to be taxi driver? I was going to say, there was like rags before I wanted to say something. I was like, apparently it's all right. What? It's not good. I was going to wait for you to say, like, why would Joker want to do that? Or something snappy, you know? But, all right. You know what they need to do in the sequel is have Joker, like, pose as a taxi driver, just once. I mean, he was hit by a taxi in the movie. That counts for something, right? Yeah, that's... He's constantly...  Oh, it's a metaphor. It's genius. I think it's pronounced metal four, but okay. What is metal four? I guess... I don't know if it's too controversial to talk about metal's beliefs. He is German. Germans aren't allowed to have beliefs after that incident. Mm-hmm. You know the one. It's over, man. All right. Let me throw out this little room to Yal, the Yule. Let's begin. Yal. Here's Yal. Let us begin. So, the context for this, I guess, is that Mr. Mundane Matt had, like, a calling show, I guess? I don't really know. We would call into that. Oh, why would he do that? Why would he, if all people think it's a good idea? You'd think that, yeah. Right? You'd be like, but Matt, people will say things. Matt, why, though? Oh, I have to go to close. I really wonder how many bolder references were snuck in there. Oh. We're probably looking at infinite... Yeah, I was just at it about this, because there's mention of us. I think it's like, it's only the first half of the video as well, so... Oh, we gotta... All right. I already got a call coming in. Let's find out. Oh, my God. Hey, how's it going? Can you hear me? I can. Oh, how's it going? It's going okay. I don't have your work. Why would anyone say that, Rags? Jesus. What work? What work? I am a... I'm a streamer. I'm a big fan of yours. Oh, I think I recognize this voice. Do you recognize my voice? Kind of. I think this is Flamenco if I had to guess. No, I'm actually James also. I've also heard that I'm sound like Mr. Medeker. Oh. No. No, I don't hear that at all. But also, I'm fully aware. No. Who are? Are you a fan of EFAP? No. Are you not? I don't even know what that is. Oh, cool. Okay. Have you ever heard of a channel called Mahler? I know of Mahler. I don't watch his content. Oh. Is there a reason why you don't watch his content? Yeah, I'm not going to sit through an hour and a half review of a movie I've already seen. Okay.   Yeah, man. Dude. I feel like even he would easily be roped into making that. You know, like a stream sort of thing? Yeah. It's not unreasonable. Stream. Oh, that's different. I see. I just, I find, you know, I don't... That would be a movie. Or a breakdown. It doesn't really matter. I've just never been interested in that kind of stuff. All right. People tell me it's good. There's nothing there I've really seen. What is your take on objectivity versus subjectivity and film critique? God, he sounds so familiar. I think that you should clearly be more objective overall than... But you can never get away from the subjective mindset. That's a good take. So, I mean, I prefer objectivity, but then again, if it's like... That's a good take. If you're doing more of a deep dive, I can see the subjective nature of it. It just depends whether or not I align with that subjective nature and if I want to sit through that particular viewpoint. Is there a specific film that you subjectively like but you think is subjectively bad and vice versa? Oh, there's plenty of films that I subjectively like that are pretty terrible. Yeah. Okay. And I got to ask, would you be willing to go on to EFAP? I think they're big fans of your work. No, they're not. I know they're not fans of my work at all. Never heard of them. Okay, hold on a minute. Yeah, exactly. Exclamation mark, thank you. Contradiction has been spotted. Excuse me. I think that's what this video is about to do. It's going to play it back to back. Are you a fan of EFAP? No. Are you not? I don't even know what that is. Don't even know what that is. I know they're not fans of my work at all. I have no real. You could potentially find out when our fans of his work are also not knowing what we are. Is that possible? He doesn't even know what that is. I don't think. I don't think. I think it looks good. Let's say that.  Whoa, whoa, whoa. You say he's not trustworthy. Like a charitable way to see it would be he's familiar.  Don't give him an inch.  Also, I don't know if it's. I'm going to play it until it doesn't show this. But I've muted it on our side in case. Oh, I don't. I don't doubt that for a second. A lot of people actually watch me. No, they don't. That's the thing. People don't say that. People know how many people watch you. If only there was a way to verify someone's popularity.  But I don't have a desire to go on there now because it's not. It's not necessarily the type of environment that I feel would be the most conducive to anything. So now I'm good. Are you? Are you very happy? He knows what kind of environment it is. Okay. Yeah. Now we know he's death. Yeah. Now it's definitely falling apart. Now we know. Yeah. Hey, man, it's definitive proof versus obvious proof. Yeah. Because at first I thought he was drawing the parallel between Mahler and then he knew Mahler was just not the podcast. But now it sounds like he knows exactly what he's talking about. And he was lying about it and just didn't want to go into it. And he was pressed into it. Someone said, I get you guys don't want to be charitable, but honestly his take isn't even that bad. What he said about objectivity and subjectivity was not that bad at all. We didn't pause or criticize it because I felt like it was fine. I literally said that's a good take. Yeah, Jay actually said it was a good one. That's the only comment that was made about it. I'm kind of shocked in a way that he made a decent take on.  Like we should strive for objectivity, but we can't fully escape this objective. Yeah. You hit that softball. He's a serious fence sitter. Eventually he's going to get something. No, yeah. Remember when the whole Crowder Vox thing happened? Oh, that's right. He was with Vox on that one. No. He was with Carlos Mazza. I'm trying to be. I'm trying, but this guy, man. This guy, man. We'll see. Does the dream just die? Tommy Payton didn't get his channel taken away. I don't think we come up again now, but yeah. I thought that was amusing. Don't worry, Matt. You'll always have a place on, you know, EFAP. You're welcome to come on whenever you can manage.  Welcome to the Bone Zone. That's what we'll say when it comes to you. Welcome to the Bone Zone. He's going to be like, what? Wait, so what did you say? Cinema Diabeto and Jack St. are going at it about birds of prey. They disagree? I typed in cinema. It's like, no, no, no, movie Robert, movie Bob. Cinema Roberto. Where can I find this guy? Shinima Roberto. I'm curious if, because I don't even know what each of them think about it. Well, I guess I've heard that Robert thinks it's a nine out of 10, which. Wow. Nine out of 10. If they say going at it, does that mean that Jack St. disagrees? Yeah, that's what I was expecting, but I don't know, maybe. I don't see any back and forth from them here. Oh, well, let me link this. So Jack said, I guess I can put this on screen. An astonishingly, a bit of praise, astonishingly fun time. Margot Robbie is for Harley Quinn, what Ryan Reynolds is for Deadpool. Ewan McGregor is perfect. Harley Quinn is canonically a Bernie bro. This is like the perfect antidote to Captain Marvel's cynical clinical take on a feminist superhero movie. Really hope people check it out. He said, can we not? There's a reason. There's no reason to do this. Even setting aside how gross it is to play into the all women must be set us against all other women always. What? Wait. All women must be set against all other women always. What is that? Jack likes it and Bob doesn't. Wait. But well, they both like it, right? Well, they both like it, but it looks like when Jack St. mentioned Captain Marvel, that's what set Robert off. What is this all women must be set against all other women always thing? What is that? I guess it happens with men. All the time. DC just doing studio marketing for them for free. Why do that? You don't owe them. What? Why would you immediately? What is he going on about?  Obviously, I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know what's... Yeah. But I don't see any indication for him to go on about that. Whatever, dude.  Also, I guess Jack's highlighting back to him then that movie reviews are a form of free studio marketing as well. So it's like, yeah, Bob, by reviewing them, you're doing the same thing. But movie Bob is not exactly well known for level headed takes. Do I say? What? No, I'm using... I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. Sorry. Um... Alright, since that was very small for Matt, let's do this next one as well, and then we'll do some more... In the 1978 film... Memage. Alright. Sheer. This one shall be a lot more interesting. I imagine. Doop. Doop. I'm not allowed to say that. That's racism. That's your opinion. In the 1978 film Superman the Movie by Richard Donner, almost nobody flies. Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Lex Luthor, Perry White and a whole host of other characters. I don't know if he was expecting more of a reaction. I'd just be like, okay. Fly? Yeah. Don't fly. For the first act of the film, nobody flies at all, not even on crypto, the planet Superman is from. Then in the second act, something absolutely...  I don't like it. Oh. I couldn't tell what they were at first, but they're Superman's groins. Not Superman got his powers from the Earth's Sun. Well, hang on. I don't even... We need to hear his argument first, I guess, in full, because I'm not even sure he's going with this, but apparently...  So no one can fly, not even on kryptonite, but Superman can. Is it not possible for anyone else? No, it's not possible for you. No, it didn't pause through any of that. It just kept going, and I had to pause it. So yeah, rewind it to whatever time it needs to be. Watch together. Is it working for you now, Rags? It's at 19 seconds, and it's paused. Hey, there we go. Okay, I'll even rewind him a bit more. But yeah, I would have preferred the black borders myself, but you know what? Superman's groin. Something. A stylistic choice. For the first act of the film, nobody flies at all, not even on kryptonite, on the planet Superman is from. Then, in the second act, something absolutely shocking happens. Superman, having learned about the full extent of his powers, lifts off the ground, and so... I might have to be careful with copyright here as well. With how long these clips are. Soars away. This is overwhelmingly not remembered as poor writing. Despite the fact that nobody in the film flies before this, nobody else flies throughout the film, and nothing really indicates that Superman will be able to fly before this point. So I'd have to see the film to know. But unless there's a rule that says he can't, then... Yeah, and again, I think the reason is that he gets his power from Earth's son, and he even has to go out to recharge. Like find a space to go and recharge. That's the thing. I'm not up on my Superman lore, but I'm pretty sure the Earth's son makes him much more powerful than he would be otherwise. He uses photosynthesis.  I think just being on Earth is enough for the guy. But as for this specific film, I don't know what the specific lines of justification are for this happening. But as long as it doesn't cancel out anything else, it wouldn't be considered poor writing. There might be an argument for setup, as in if we were to watch a movie where a guy just starts flying because that's him and his peak powers. Wait, even then...  If we were following a nondescript... Well, let's just call them a dude, bro, and he's like, I'm getting more and more powerful as the days go by. First of all, I could start running much faster than I ever could before, and then I'm much stronger. And I don't know, my reflex is way stronger. I can start... I looked at something intensely and I burned it. I have laser eyes. At that point, I'd be like, yeah, flying is not going to be out of the question if you've got all of those things going on, which... Yeah, I was just thinking about Spider-Man, right? Like, when Rami's Spider-Man came out, it's just like you're getting all these different powers unloaded because you're just like, whoa, what is this one? What is this one? What is this one? And funnily enough, depending on the Spider-Man, different things will happen. I don't know if that applies to Superman. I think almost every iteration of Superman is basically have the same powers. Ice breath is the one I find funny. Ice breath? Yeah. Yeah, he's just kind of puffing up his cheekies. Ice breath. Amen. I don't know, man.   Wouldn't that be awesome? Superman can't do that. That would be pretty sweet. And he did it to innocent people regularly. That's how I will go out. Nobody else flies throughout the film and nothing really indicates that Superman will be able to fly before this point. There is a textual reason why Superman can fly, of course. He's really light. Okay, or maybe... What? Was that a joke? Oh, is this people trying to explain superpowers? Plausible explanation. So it seems like fan theories. That's what he's calling it. With the normal gravity of the species developed. Natural anti-gravity organ.  Just like you don't have to explain mutants. Just like you don't have to explain I invented scientific device in my universe that does X. All you have to do is state that that's how... That's what it is. Superheroes are sub-genre for fantasy, right? I'd say so, in a way. I thought they were supposed to be sci-fi. They're trying to... I suppose they're flexible with that. Because it's complicated. There's a lot of magic in superhero stuff, but there's also, especially these days, loads of sci-fi in them. Yeah, and then, of course, you could argue that he's trying to explain it using Earth science when Superman's not from Earth. I don't remember anybody trying to do this with lots of heroes. If they're established as a superpower, it's like a lot of other things with writing. You just go, that's their power. It's just something that Earth science can't really explain fully. Yeah, the theory would go... Is it impossible for us to one day meet humanoid-like creatures from a different galaxy that have all the powers of Superman that biology allows them to do such things? It'd be like, uh... Probably not. Well, no, we have no idea, right? Well, yeah, but it's like... It would be currently unexplainable by science. But the point that this fiction's doing is he's an alien. Therefore, we don't have enough information on aliens to be like, you can't do these things. Yeah, but we do have an understanding of how gravity works. For him to be able to fly, he would have to violate some scientific rule we already know. Well, that's the thing. Those things do eventually happen. For example, with Ant-Man, we're okay that he has technology that can shrink him, and then Ant-Man says... I'm not saying it's not okay. I'm saying it doesn't fit within our current understanding of science.  I was about to support your point. So we're okay with Ant-Man being able to shrink, but when they establish in the film that he maintains his...  And of course, that allows him to do superhero-y stuff while he's small. The problem is that that means he should have the weight as well, and so if you're a tic-tac with the weight of a human, whenever you're running around, you're probably going to be able to... A lot of things should be happening, is kind of the point. And when you jump into somebody's hand, for example, they'll be like, whoa, what the fuck? So that's where you can highlight issues. As soon as they start trying to quantify how certain things work in certain ways to justify other things, you'll be like, hey, hang on a minute. But if you just go, this is an alien who can fly, you're like, okay. He's like, fine. Keep going, where you going with this? He has anti-gravity organs, or maybe he can will him... I love anti-gravity organs. He can will himself to fly. His psionic sense allows him to shape and manipulate his energy in a way that he that he can not only fly, but... Right, so he's still criticizing... If this stuff was in the movies, we could probably go through it, but this is just fans, I guess, probably. Yeah, so not much to go on. I think the point he's making is that there's not an explanation in the movie, so the fans have to write it for it. There's no required explanation as long as we understand that that's his power. Yeah, oh well. Self in different directions with psionic energy. It doesn't really matter. For reference, by the way, him being an alien is what does this. If you said he was a human and he just had these powers, we would forever be like, so mutant? Was he hit with a radioactive thing? Why? As long as it's acknowledged that it is unusual, so it's like, if it was just set up in the beginning, it's like, this guy can fly in science, doesn't understand why, then that would be fine. Actually, yeah, that would work as well. It would be more so if they ever did the ant man thing and established something where we're like, hey, hang on. Make no sense. As long as it's not just like, you can fly and everyone treats that like it's not unusual. No, I guess if everyone treated it like it wasn't unusual, then that would be world-building, I guess, but because it wouldn't be unusual. Well, as long as it's not unusual, but they didn't explain anything about it. So maybe that'd be doubly weird. I guess it depends if it was world-built, so this is just a thing that happened in this world and it's happened before, or if it's just like, you know, if there are contradictions in there, both are possible. That would be a huge departure from our world and a very basic kind of thing. So they would have to say, if nobody thought this was weird, it's like, who else flies? Why do they not think this is odd? Also, hi, neurotic, I'm Jay Longbone. How are you folks doing? Good to have you. Super, man. I was going to say, because these could be, like, you just have Earth, a story that runs on it, but random different people just can fly, and there's never any acknowledgement of how strange that is. It's just running as if normal. It depends on what the story's about, I suppose, for us to be like, is anyone going to acknowledge the fact that people can fly?  Do you matter textually why Superman can fly? The much more important reason no one is surprised when Superman flies is the metatextual one. This is a Superman movie and you don't want to see a Superman movie where Superman doesn't fly. It's not just Superman that applies to. That would just be across the board, genre and writing rules.  Like, actually, I wouldn't say that's a justification. Like, it's not that he can fly because this is a Superman movie. That's a strange way to categorize it. Plus, isn't he criticizing the first Superman movie ever made? Right now, yeah, I think so. So, if that were the case, nobody would be able to draw off of an established character if this is the first seeing of him. He's in the comics. Yeah, he'd be referencing the people who knew Superman from the comics at that point. But like, I suppose saying he's Superman, that's why he can fly, is like a shorter version of saying, well, he's an alien and he has several powers. These are his powers. There you go. And if someone was like, that's bad. I'd be like, why? And I'd go, oh, because you don't explain how the powers work. I'd be like, oh, you don't necessarily need to explain how anything necessarily works unless it is extremely relevant to understanding something at some point. Just like, X works this way. I mean, he... I don't think there is any Superman content that tries to argue how his powers work, right? Blade Runner, you new here, bud? Oh, wait, why? What are you saying? He's like, he's not even finished talking. Why did they pause? Why? First time? First time? I just want to talk about him saying, we don't see it as a problem because it's a Superman movie. You keep going to say Superman and then correcting it. Superman.  I guess he's got super hands. Yeah, so I was going to say a Brightburn, for example, is... Maybe that's not a good example because that's almost clearly trying to do an inverse of Superman. So we just see random movie, and we kind of described it earlier. It was just alien lands, or there's a genetic experiment, or someone falls into a vat of toxic chemicals. That's a good old classic one. The point being that through things that we don't necessarily 100% understand against much likelihood, a thing happened that science can't explain that maybe one day could be.  If they make certain assertions about things we don't actually know yet. But this is an alien from Krypton. You've already got a shit ton of stuff to work with at that point, but I do want to remind everybody, literal magic isn't necessarily bad writing in fiction. And obviously what I'm saying with that is magic is not real. Like, that's almost my death. So if we're stuck all the way back at like, it's not realistic, therefore, bad, I got news for you. Lots of news. Big old news bulletin. We'll kick on a bit. See what else he says. Want to see a Superman movie where Superman doesn't fly. It's an essential part of the character. In fact, it's so essential. I don't know. I don't think so. It's the iconic part, isn't it? I guess the essential. But not essential. And I was going to clarify, like I've seen all of Smallville, he doesn't fly until like season, like he doesn't learn how to do flying properly until really late like season seven or eight or something. He flies at one point in season like, I want to say three, but it's like once and it's, he doesn't understand entirely how he did it. Point being, you spend a lot of time with the character of Superman, slash Clark Kent, slash Kal-El, without the flight. And it works, because I think all of us would probably agree. It's like, you couldn't do Superman without his ability to fly. You can do without all of his powers. That could be super interesting in fact. That's probably something they did several times in Smallville. Man, man. It's an essential part of the character. In fact, it's so essential, the tagline of the movie is, you'll believe a man can fly. A culture has evolved online, trying to push for. Oh no, there we are. Oh no, hey! Also, in one of those, talking about Avengers Endgame, Drew. Yeah, what's that? I'm sorry. Also, what are these other references we got? Geeks and Gamers. Geeks and Gamers, Cinema Sins. Cinema Sins doesn't believe in objectivity, surely. I really don't think. I don't have beliefs or values. Well, I don't know, you would know. Has he spoken on that before? He never said anything to my knowledge, because he said things that I haven't, I've not listened to his every word. But I've never heard him say anything about objective things. Yeah, I'm just going to roll him back. What was he saying about this selection? One of the movie is, you'll believe a man can fly. A culture has evolved online, trying to push for objective discussion in art criticism. This culture here is our first, as people trying to assert that their opinions about media were objectively correct. Here we go.  I'm objectively right in all of my opinions. People say that, but we've never said that a single time. Everyone else is wrong. Shift and give a stance that it's fine for other people to have their subjective. This is what Quinton said two years ago. Catch up, dude. Their opinions, their objective. The opinions of others. Oh, no. Those are subjective.  And he says it with this listful look in his eyes, like, subjective. No, we've never said that. Opinions, but that a piece of art's value could be measured in some objective. When have you ever measured the value of art? When have you ever gone, ah, yes, this art has three value? Oh, yeah. Also, I care what is objectively true. We constantly talk about the things we take away personally from stuff. Yeah, all the time. Lots of stuff. We talk about how something appealed to us maybe more when we can't argue for something more referential definitive and we're just like, you know, I don't know, it just appeals to me.  Oh, no. Well, we can't have that. Which were the criteria these people valued more. For example, when a fictional world establishes rules but then breaks those rules, that is objectively...  Especially when there's no explanation as to why the rules are broken, they just are. And there you go. You literally just have to go through definitions. Define bad writing, okay. Define, define, define, okay. Maybe...  You don't care enough. I've had this conversation enough times. Bad writing. Now, even putting aside the fundamental fact that stories and art in general can be absolutely whatever they want. We never once said they couldn't. Oh, he's going to say the most successful things to do this. Oh, yay, yay. This is the problem, his video is so incredibly tiny that we're never going to be able to get to many references. So it's a shame, but... Oh, well. We could have conversations about all the ones that he considers surreal and how you would quantify such things. Well, he's not got to an argument yet. He's just been like, people believe that. Well, I'm going to give him a space. He's only a third in. This is the pledge, you see. He's about to do the turn, and then we will get the prestige. That's how it works. Stories and art in general can be absolutely whatever they want. Even putting aside the... Remember how we said art can't be what it wants? That's the thing that we said. Yeah, all those things that we said. What does that even mean? The criticism of the last Jedi is that it's not allowed to exist. Naughty last Jedi hit with newspaper. The fact that some of the most successful and powerful storytelling has been done without firmly established rules. Even ignoring that this point of view throws out everything subtextual and thematic and art in favor of a... Subtextual and thematic. I really hate, because I feel like they devalue a lot of what, like... some really definitive, detailed and well-plotted theming. Like putting things into your thing to make it make sense with a throughline. Because all it needs to be is the message or something they think is a good message or a bad message.  TLJ would be my primary go-to for that one, I would say. Yeah, definitely. Anyway. Even ignoring that this point of view throws out everything subtextual and thematic and art in favor of a... No, it doesn't. It recognizes when it's done poorly when it puts a theme above the established rules. When you have done poor writing and you've done something shitty to get an idea. This is going to suspiciously close as well, so... Character A... I can't remember if I did it on the sunny fat before or not, but let's just have character A is watching, character B enter a room and there's a guy in there and a gun in there.  Did he shoot the guy in there? Did he shoot the guy in general? It's all up to interpretation. Right.  We'd be like, yeah.  I'm just trying to... That's like the first tier, right? But then you can extend that into... What did it mean when a character saw a mutated version of his own dead wife in the middle of the room? Was it his haunted memories coming back to him?  I don't know. You know what I mean? And it's just like, well, those two things could be possible. We haven't got enough information to be able to confirm it. So when you go to surreal films and there's just not enough information to definitively say what is or isn't happening, that's fine. It's okay. Nothing's dead. Alright. You didn't kill it. I put it in the hospital. There's no more meaning only law. No, no, no, no. Meaning and law, they both exist. Why do we have to choose between them? This is insane.  Well, he hasn't directly said this is about us. Maybe he's responding to what's going on. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. He's directly said this is about us. Maybe he's responding to one person who did say all of this. Maybe that person out there, maybe their name is Eepep or something, EFEP. I don't know. Maybe there's a channel out there and that's what all these people are talking about who makes these arguments that we never make but they seem to think that I guess someone else does out there because we've never said these things. Weird.  He would have had to have done to find out what people who believe in objectivity believe before making this video. What do you have to have done? Maybe ask us. Oh my god, you can't do that. You can't just ask people. In other news, MovieBob Quote tweeted that response from Jack that made a lot of sense and he said this is possibly the dumbest thing someone has said to me on here. I ought to frame it. Bob. Bob, what he said made sense. Oh wait, he's tweeting a lot. I'm actually going to be doing this. Go into bat for Jack St. against Movie Robert. What does the will come to? There's some civil war. Guys, talk while I flame on Twitter. I sure do hate women in the minorities and I think that my opinions are all factually true because I said the objective word. The old word. Themes can't exist because we want to analyze some things objectively. I don't know what other things do people say.  Themes. Yeah. Hate those themes. Hey guys, do you want to be mean to Jenny Nichols for 11 hours? Yeah, I would love to be that. It was so much fun the first time.   Alright, 11 hour stream about Jenny Nichols.  We'd all be fired if we did that. What fired by the wait, I'm forgetting the reference now, the guy who thought that YouTube had like a vetting process. Oh shoot, who said that? They were saying how could these people be given a platform on YouTube or a show on YouTube? How did they get funding? Yeah, how did they get funding?  I can't remember who said that, but that was ridiculous. It kind of works in reverse. The funding kind of comes second. Yeah, and it's lower every year. I'm surprised he actually went with saying it's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said to him. It's like Bob really. You would think that he would think that the things said to him are really dumb. Sure, but this tops it. How does this top it? Yeah, this can't even be your top 50. I don't believe it. People saying show the tweet. The tweet's not interesting. I'm saying what I said earlier, which is that Jack is comparing the MCU and the DCEU, right? And then he comes in saying don't do that. You're giving them free marketing. Reviewing movies. Yeah, fine. Whatever. You do it too.   Movie ball blows my mind. I'm telling you, man. It's getting early. I'm just quote tweeting it with no you. Got him.  This is why you have no friends and no one will stand up for you ever. I guess something bad happens to you. Who will come to bad for you? He's just standing up for his principles. You wouldn't know about that. I don't even know if I could tell you movie Bob's principles. Eugenics. Yeah, exactly. Eugenics. He's killed all of his friends, which is why he plays all the characters in his videos. You think in his perfect world, Jack is one of the people who would survive? In Bob's perfect world, it's just Bob. He's like, yay. All of the good ones survive. Bob all the time. He wants to enact Ego's plan and spread his blue cream. No.  No. Look what you've done. I can't say that. That's what he wants. You can't argue against that. Yeah, but you're not supposed to visualize it that much where I get a picture in my head, bro. Blue cream. No. No plan. Jack saying, put out a tweet where it's got me, him, Sean, H farm and I'm not sure about the fifth guy all agreeing to hate movie Bob. We found a common enemy, everybody. Sean is dunked on him. Exactly. Yeah, it's just I don't like him because he's just he's always he's like that. He's like the mundane Matt. He's like he's kind of like a mundane Matt, but more, I guess, more malicious and evil. I think mundane Matt was like a more whole person, but then some kind of catastrophe split them apart and movie Bob is like the evil half of mundane Matt was his H bomb gone after it. Did you say? Well, he was in the meme. I don't know if he's gone after it. He's definitely. Yeah, he doesn't H bomb. One of the ones they've all gone. I think they've all gone after Bob at different times, right? Yeah, I think it's all different times. It's just he has no friends like no one is on no one's with him. He's just he's made enemies of every side and every person. Categories and political standings and labels and stuff like that. There's just this one tiny one that's called movie Robert. It's just him. He's going to start the movie Bob party. What are you doing? Blue cream for all. Look at one. One vote every election. But it's one very strong and determined vote for him. Well, I mean, he's he could vote more than one. Surely. Oh, yeah. He has vote. Everyone can vote. But his is the only vote that counts. All right. I'm rolling this back. But if you vote wrong, you get stoned. They want you get even putting aside cream. Take him to the cream chambers. No. No. You come out as movie Bob. Yeah. He just absorbs you into himself. Disappear into him.  He'll go up to put his hands on the side of your head. You'll shake and transform into another Bob. Or he just kind of he's kind of waxing the chest of his hand like agent Smith. Me, me, me. Wait, that meme was made by H bomb. H bomb put me in a meme because I hate Bob so much. That's adorable. Wait, what? I don't know. I'm just I'm responding to bits of Bob's from chat, but uh. It's just the one I was just talking about. Link is the meme. I've talked about it enough that I should I should I'll fetch it now one moment. Wow. He acknowledged you. Bob? No. H bomb. Well, if it's H bomb's meme, like I said, I don't know. It's not a retweet from Jack. It's just a meme in general. All right, here is here is the meme. Oh, that's a good meme. I was I was zooming in correctly.  Everybody move on. The cocaine intelligence unit. Movie Bob. I can believe that. I guess. He should have just had the last character be. Yeah. Wait, is there a link to where this was originally posted because I want to know. Yeah, yeah. There's plenty of context in the image itself really. Poor Bob. He probably should stop being insufferable. It goes a long way. He hadn't thought of that. Damn. This is the thing that responses is just like, but what he said made sense. I don't understand.   His sheer. I don't know. I guess. My favorite reply. Which one? This one. Explained. All right. Keep this video going. We've got a video.  Wonderful. The fact that some of the most successful and powerful storytelling has been done without firmly established rules even ignoring that this point of view throws out everything subtextual and thematic and I'd be curious to be given an example of a movie that would be worse with rules being kept intact. Well, whatever is playing right now seems to be what he's referencing, but I don't know what it is. I don't know what movie this is. Unfortunately, I don't either chat. What is this movie with? This is creepy party guy. Because he's you. He seems to be using this as an example of something that doesn't make sense, but is good.  It should be TLJ. Whatever this movie is, we should all watch it and then see if he was right. Yeah, I don't know what this is. We'll see if chat can figure it out. Chat's smart. They got this. Movie cream. Movie cream. Lost Highway? Lost Highway. I'm going to make a note of this and we should check it out and see if it is all it's cracked up to be by being a visual in this video. Even ignoring that this point of view throws out everything subtextual and thematic in art in favor of a there is no meaning only law approach. Even looking at this critical lens on its own home territory, mass media, blockbuster comic book movies. How about sorry, I'm going to play my gang. I just got stuck on that statement. What if I said like there is no craft only meaning or something like that. Like there is no recognition of merit. There is only you tried gold star or some variation of the idea of sitting. I would need to work on it but like no execution only ideas. Of which this is the thing. Ideas are cheap. You can get them everywhere. Someone could get high and I repeat that there's really good ideas and there's really good execution. It's a very good story. I'd be inclined to disagree. Tell me the difference between a good idea and a bad idea. Quality. No, like examples. Well, I think the sequel trilogy has bad ideas. I'm following. If we go with that, right, just give me one of the things that happens in the sequel trilogy that you would say I'll allow. This comes back. If we go with the idea of him returning as some form of an influence, we could do that in so many different ways. Like eventually because if you go as far as saying the ideas that he comes back, this, this, this, this, like all this is how he does it mechanically and this is what he does. At that point you've already gone so far that it's essentially, that is the execution, right? It's no longer. That's kind of my own curious to draw the line. I guess it's like to a point where you define idea. Right, because for example, there's a lot of that happening. It's like, that's an idea. It's like, yeah, why not? You go Superman can't fly because he ate cereal. You're like, whoa, that. Even that, I could probably try and justify who just, yeah. It's always execution far more than concepts. Because even the sequel trilogy, they executed their ideas really poorly or at least Rise of Skywalker certainly did. It's always really hard to categorize this because I often say they had the prequels of good ideas executed badly and that the sequels of bad ideas executed well. But maybe they were. Well, I'm not sure if I want to categorize ideas as being good and bad anymore rather than almost neutral. So many potentials that we're never going to see. That's what makes it so hard to say that this idea is bad in and of itself we don't know what to measure it up against. We don't know what executions out there could have been done really, really well. Like if someone said you can't have a really bad idea as Batman who kills people and it's like, I don't know. No, you can do that. You could probably do it in a lot of ways. There's a lot of things you could do and again, not everybody thinks that or anything. It's not even necessarily commonly understood. It's just that you don't want to have Zach's die to tell you, no, Batman kills people, get over it. Weird take. So I was just trying to think of I don't know, I'll have to keep thinking about that. Just the concept of what constitutes an idea and whether or not it could be considered bad from the get go. Like Luke falling out of love with the Jedi thinking they're a bad tism and leaving the force, if you will. I think there's a lot you can do with that. I just love these serial ideas. People are coming up with cryptos, crypto bites. Cryptonite crunch, yeah. Cryptonite crunch. Is it molar evolving as a critic? There's no bad ideas.  I mean, it's about classification. I think it's so hard to prove that ideas are terrible inherently when even something that sounds like a bad idea could be executed really well. Could you have had an old women ghostbusters remake that was good? Probably. Well, it's because a lot of people will say that that was never going to work. Luke Skywalker, take him and TLJ. Is the idea of Luke becoming disillusioned and all that stuff necessarily bad? I guess not inherently as a concept. You don't have to really justify it. Every idea can be executed well. It's the point you've got bad ideas. It's like, hey, let's make a movie that's about how great rape is and how you should do it. Right. Someone in chat just said as well would the Tim Fertile ideas work? Maybe the good and bad refers to the potential only. I say an idea and everyone goes whoa, yeah, that could work in so many different ways. Oh my god, versus idea we go um... Maybe. That's probably what we're referring to.  I think so, and so does Cassian. This is what I think, I just like to classify what people are referring to whenever they use good and bad. I think more people should do that. Even looking at this critical lens on its own home territory mass media blockbuster comic book movies I think we run into some problems pretty fast. For example, if we were to look at Superman the movie with this lens of supposed objectivity the rules set down by the world for the first part of the film are that nobody can fly. No, nobody can fly there. Nobody does fly. It's not nobody can fly. Nobody does. Nobody does fly there in those scenarios. You gotta be careful. Yeah, this is just this is being really, really broadly generous to try and support your point. I assume his conclusion is nobody can fly because if they could fly, they would have You know what? The first 20 minutes of Black Panther that establishes that white people don't exist so when they show up it doesn't make sense. Oh, I see what you mean. I was just gonna say to I don't know if I'm helping him or hurting him with this but let's say I was on his team like, yeah, you see like if we're dumb that Kryptonians don't fly away from the imminent doom here when we know they can because Kal-El can but the thing is if I was on the other team as well I'd be like, can he can they? I don't know I don't know how Kryptonians work. Do they require Earth's son to be able to fly? I don't know and I get it. I mean, Erotic was in the chat, wasn't he? Would he know if that's the fish I guess the quote is that the the lore of Superman? Is that his ability to Earth's son?  I mean, Michael Michael Dorsey said nobody can fly on that planet Jor-El explicitly says Superman gets his power from the sun. His powers. There you go.  Why is it they can never actually come up with good examples of like plot holes? Like Patrick Willems' video did this as well. It's like it's not hard to find the actual four point in a movie This is the thing they're attempting to be CinemaSins right now and they can't do it properly but then CinemaSins can't do it properly either so I don't know what I'm talking about with that.  I didn't think this six minute video would require us to go watch this film but I mean luckily chat's here so we can Are you gonna cover the CinemaSins Joker video by the way? Yes, that is intended Oh yeah I think we said it on another refab but CinemaWins and CinemaSins have made videos on Joker as much as I think CinemaWins' video is probably more accurate. It's more frustrating.  I can go for it I don't care if you could I'm asking do you want it That's how committed I am to being on it I'll put you at the bottom of the barrel of my request list That's where I'm used to being Alright anyway As of supposed objectivity the rules set down by the world for the first part of the film are that nobody can fly including people from Krypton Then in the second part Superman flies the gift of Donald Trump I know because he's fucking wrong and he's like nobody can fly Kryptonis can't fly Superman can He's setting this up as a contradiction He's saying the film said nobody can fly and then the film said no some can fly It's not a contradiction Because Krypton I'm not a big Superman fan but I know that Krypton they have their red sun and they can't absorb anything from that one It's the earth sun that they can and that's why We're not even citing comics because I want to be fair if he was like that's third party I'd be like no no apparently this isn't the film as long as Jor-El establishes it in the film then you're fine You know what if it was in the comics sorry if it was a contradiction you know what that would be Bad BAM No You are inventing these rules that are not accurate Did you watch the movie? We're being told they're wrong We know he's wrong but let's go with it for a moment to see where he wants to take this argument See where he's going Like premise is wrong but let's see what your conclusion is Assuming this were true I don't know I don't know The movie doesn't break objective rules about screenwriting and art the understood rules of the world change when new information is provided No, that's our understanding of the rules those aren't the rules If rules changed but like in a way he's saying because Superman does that it's just the universe telling us that rules aren't ever done I don't think he knows what rules mean But all the Kryptonians can fly Which one was it where they have the prison guys Zod and them don't they get Superman powers when they come through That is from If you're going from this movie alone I don't think Zod's in it Not this one but even in the sequels confirming this stuff you're going to have to do better I just want to chat They can't fly now They can't fly now As I said this isn't surprising because the audience expects this when going to see a Superman film These are things that are supposed to happen because doing incredible things like flying are essential to the character No, they're not though No, they're definitely not essential to the character I don't think anyone would say the power That's kind of the point of all of the MCU The characters They are the vessel for the powers to be able to be used in specific ways Because Zod and Superman are like two sides of a coin They both got these extreme powers but they both got very different characters which takes them to different places I think nobody means he's just phrased it poorly Essentially if people want to go see a Superman movie and they didn't fly they'd be like I'm okay with that I don't know if this thing was going to be used as a big payoff A lot of people would be okay with it but I think a lot of people would be like what about the Superman though Imagine they rebooted Spider-Man This could be a great movie but they made a Spider-Man reboot that was just an hour and a half of Peter Parker's school drama You would be like I'd be confused for sure and if they only alluded like say for example the last scene to some kind of fucking Spider-Lab and his friends would be like oh this is going to be so much fun and he's like yeah I hope it is and he goes and the credits come up because they stole that theme and then we'd be like huh and if it was a great character piece I'd probably be revved I'd be like shit man he's about to get the powers You would understand why people would feel the way they did about it I mean I referenced it earlier but Smallville kind of did this the first couple of seasons he's not exactly OP compared to end of the show I think I can't remember now Smallville is like the premises well that's kind of what I'm going with if your premise was a young Superman I realised what I said that has a different premise if your premise this is super bad at his prime and you just can't fly they don't acknowledge it at all this could be people who would be confused for sure yeah there we go especially if he had a problem he could solve with flying and he just doesn't and nobody knows how to solve this problem and he has to figure out a different way and he never acknowledges the flight we'd be like okay there's not so many men supposed to be able to fly what the fuck is going on I suppose it would have to be accepted that this iteration cannot fly or something like that there's a bunch of other problems being that he's like from a different planet I guess he's never gonna be able to do the thing where he spins the earth around and rewinds time yeah but that was stupid anyway how dare you moreover the meaning of any art about that character in the case of Superman the movie what is the meaning that they use the character of Superman to convey for me it's contained within two key moments the first one is when Clark Kent Jonathan Kent's funeral, stricken with grief says those things I can do all those powers I'm gonna pause cause long selection last thing I need is for are you saying long clip bad well that's YouTube's words not ours I remember when YouTube had like a 10 minute upload limit I do yeah 10 minutes can you imagine what I'd be fucked be like alright here comes part 700 yeah and I couldn't even save it this is the point at which Superman learns there are going to be challenges he can't overcome such as his father having a heart attack this sets up the theme that later will be resolved when Lois Lane dies and Superman has to turn back time to save her okay so he's appealing to like uh significant quote unquote meaning you get out of the film as in like what a great lesson that no matter how powerful or well equipped you are some challenges can't be overcome and uh you can put your hand on your chin and look down you can think for a while about what that can mean to you and your life and what you perceive as super people or heroes in your own life that's wonderful now let me explain why plot holes matter because this is just something that Patrick Williamson clearly doesn't necessarily care about and they come in all shapes and sizes but for example what if Jonathan can't die because he fell off a building and uh Superman was like I don't know 50 meters away and so he was running toward him he could easily have grabbed and saved him he just wasn't there in time for this whole time we knew he had super speed and we were like wow he chose to let his dad die and someone was like whoa no no he doesn't look at who upset he is he wanted to save him but he can that power you're like what there's a plot hole and then they're like yeah it's a plot hole who fucking cares it's like no but this is that's who cares this this is incredibly important this is what gives characters meaningful choices in fiction is understanding how rules work like I don't care the fucking super bad decided that he didn't have super fast running that's not sense what do you mean like you just forgot and you're like dude you take this a bit far are you and this is the thing that's actually relevant when you say someone shoelace is tied in one different way one scene and one different way another scene or by shop let's say so it's definitely a contradiction and someone will be like what the fuck does that have in terms of influence on anything and you'll be like well yeah but this is why the whole like so talking about this stuff so talking about law so talking about which powers super bad has it's like we need to know which powers he has and how they work so that when he makes choices we understand what he did with the powers that he has he's a really important so for example he goes to his home planet or just a place where he can't fly because I don't know the specific rules of how all that goes and you know someone's fallen off an alien building there and he flies and saves them we'd be like what and I thought that he okay I guess it makes sense that he would do that because he wants to save a person but I was under the impression that's not a choice he could even make but okay cool you know gonna keep fucking with your brain and then you have the people being like I didn't notice it and you're like but it's there you can't it doesn't matter if you notice it or not disappearing knife noticed or not it's there that is my that is my rant okay plot holes matter is my point no because plot holes or he's a good man and he's just trying to help out and everyone keeps throwing eggs at him that poor man plot holes he's walking around and he's like hey look plot hole and then someone throws an egg at him he's like I don't like why I really like Captain America the whole he's such a he's the person first and then it's like what if you give this person all these abilities what do they do with it and like all of his films are about what he chooses to do with power and where he thinks power should be because power and tools on their own aren't necessarily good or evil or anything it's about who's using them for what quail kind of the quail sorry quail quail quail quail quail quail quail benches it rubber rags about the robots aren't evil it's whoever programmed them wait one is what part is that have you seen my Mandalorian oh sorry I thought never mind okay I was thinking of something else with a quill in it but yeah I guess my point is that the meaningful moments can really be damaged when rules are just ignored cause it's like that sort of you get that moment plane dies and Superman has to turn back time to save her the second moment is when Superman brings Lex Luthor and his goon Otis to jail and the prison warden thanks him and Superman responds don't thank me warden we're all part of the same team which establishes the theme that Superman is a fucking cop which cements the message of the film that while we cannot be able to solve the problem it's better to try than to not and if we all work together toward that goal a better world is possible come by our etc etc marvel movies which are really the bread and butter of this objective criticism move is it I think he's mixing up popular with like just marvel's just the most popular franchise right now that's a good point yeah like the most popular it's what a coincidence the most popularly reviewed film are the ones that are most often reviewed by a movement do you get as well this screenshot doesn't prove shit because CinemaSins has covered a bazillion films and we don't know these view counts versus the others with this screenshot we just have to assume but I would assume they're the most popular he covers like every film and yeah if you told me what franchise really is this mostly done about I'd be like it's probably Star Wars Star Wars seems to be the one that did it mm-hmm movement what is this website buy in large trade in a message of empowerment this message of empowerment has some undertones of neoliberal individual responsibility which are quite unpleasant but can you believe it some tones of personal responsibility that's so unpleasant that there are tones of personal responsibility I feel like we skipped something there am I just like out of the loop now what happened well no he's I think he's saying that as much as there are lessons about empowerment in the MCU like people standing up for themselves or standing together there's a lot of I guess stories that try and place bits and bobs of blame on the individual for things and I think he's unhappy about that these people simultaneously talk about how important empowerment is and then shit on the idea of personal responsibility well this is the problem he's done this so quickly I don't know any more detail about this I'm just like okay this message of empowerment has some undertones of neoliberal individual responsibility which are quite unpleasant but mostly they feel good blockbusters for the whole family with a common theme between these films in which when people try hard enough they can succeed at whatever they set their mind to at first they can't do the thing but then usually with no material change but having learned some lessons or just gotten more determined they try again and can do the thing I think that's a little bit unfair to a lot of the movies but I'm going to let that slide it's like no material change I mean he's using Spider-Man homecoming as the visual that's what's upsetting but fine we'll let him pass strangely these films tend to draw the ire of the objective criticism a crowd when the protagonist of the movie is a person of color or a woman and not when it's a white man we hate Iron Man 3 we hate Marvel we hate what they do to hang on how many movies are there in the MCU 20 24 or 5 now how many of them have a black man or a women 2 as in protagonist that's literally below the minimum requirements to have any kind of pattern in anything these people they think oh Captain Marvel's the only one that matters with a female protagonist but it can't be bad it can't be bad if it's the only one it can't be bad if it's bad that means you hate women the film can't actually be bad Iron Man 3 on the screen Iron Man 1 um age of Ultron age of Ultron and Endgame actually both films I consider to be pretty poorly written at this point like mechanically both of them suffer immensely um that's a fucking whole cast of whiteies so why didn't I love them what's happening yeah I mean and how come you like one of the Spider-Man movies more than the other they're both the same white guy why do I hate Iron Man 3 and love Iron Man 1 why do I don't you know how to tie an Iron Man 3 oh no his best friend was a woman in that one and his tutor was a woman in the bad one that's what it was um yeah this is a really like I can't help but call this disingenuous because I think of course it is so like you have to get into their heads right because they actually do believe this stuff a lot of the time when it comes to let's just pretend for a second this was directed at me I'd be like can you really conclude this like and then they go well look at your videos you did a criticism video for Black Panther Captain Marvel and you did a praise one for Infinity War so what does that say like I don't know I think that says a lot of different things doesn't it do you see my arguments no do you know that I think the endgame is poorly written like no do you know that I hate a lot like Thor 1 and 2 I think they're pretty shit they both have a white man in the main slot they both star a Welshman in one of the main roles I should be biased toward it should I not and I just like I sit here and I wonder if any of that would even make a difference I wonder if they would be like you know what I can see how you're trying to argue out of it but I think we all know the truth like that's how I feel this person would be with me I think he's confusing the idea of objectivity with like a lot of people who believe in objectivity are also the people like only look at the political angle of the film or very frequently look at the political angle like very heavily oh yeah that's us well you say it like unfortunately the people who like hate women and black people are also gonna be lighting up with people who just were gutting for consistent writing I don't think that's what I said I'm asking you if that's what you said no although there are probably some of them like surely in the community I you know there are some people of anything in any large group of people exactly it's not even worth it well I wasn't even trying like what I'm trying to highlight is that it's just bad luck for the the idea like people who are focused on a target all the ones that are poorly written they go boom boom to Black Panther and Captain Marvel and then a completely different group like man do I hate women and black people I'm gonna aim my gun boom boom I hit Black Panther and Captain Marvel and then some of the guys sees those two groups and he's like they're the same group there's no difference yes that's yes that's what I said but in different ways and you didn't agree last time Jay so now I hate you this is the person who thinks that we don't like Black Panther because it has a black person and we don't like Captain Marvel because of a woman well that's the thing like if only they knew more about me slash us in the first of all I was excited for Black Panther because of Civil War and secondly well yeah he's sweet in Civil War he was amazing in Civil War and where'd that guy go Captain Marvel to be good but just wasn't I guess they're not public conversations but me and Jay talked a lot about how we wanted Captain Marvel to be good I'm sure that there's been a public there's one of those surely it's public possibly in one of the past e-faps well written and I was like aww don't make the first Whammon one a badly written one and this is the thing by the way I really like Scarlet Witch and Black Widow in the MCU so doesn't that kind of fuck with this that's because this is a this is a state that they make without any information behind it it's just the thing they could say to people who would already agree with it if we were to press them on this they would tumble nice understanding your opponent it's neo-nazism aww shucks it's just a rule this accusation will pretty much switch off anyone from this group for my arguments I will keep listening to your arguments but I'm not exactly please the argument switched me off from the argument I was gonna say it's almost like he's self aware of how much the well has been poisoned now the well was empty he poised just poisoned now it's just poison you didn't poison the well you threw poison down a hole it's just a hole full of poison now it's not even a well accusation will pretty much switch off anyone from this group so Iron Man you know really a pretty good film the first one yeah so imagine if you put Iron Man 3 there oh no way he can um I'm willing to bet that he threw the first one because it's just the first one but if he's aware of the fact that people think that Iron Man 3 sucks or at least a lot of people do and he did put it up there for that definitive reason it's just like man that's lame but what are you gonna do or a woman and not when it's a white man this accusation will pretty much switch off anyone from this group for my arguments because I've shown you you said like you know what well I mean they don't need much else right they're racist and sexist they didn't like two movies they must be racist never mind that we love Black Panther in Civil War and he was cool as shit never mind that that would require him understanding and like engaging with the things no no his arc in Civil War is way better than his arc in Black Panther if you could is there an arc in Black Panther I don't even know I never freeze so cool and then she goes you'll froze and he's like he sucks this accusation will pretty much switch off anyone from this group for my arguments because I've shown my agenda and I'm accusing them of being evil bigots I mean it does kind of come across as an agenda because it's not supported by statistics yeah you've shown your bias man yeah and we could do the same thing we could be like oh this guy probably fucking reads Karl Marx every day okay calm down he's just talking about movies but I'm not we're happy to see what else he got to say but you did not prove what you just said even closely what's the equivalent argument for us to make it's like oh this guy would it's such a surprise that people who think that there's no such thing as objectivity just happen to love bad films so that's the only way that they can this guy hasn't said any of that it's like he likes CLJ he would be correct but he loves CLJ and has to build a world view where it's good he hasn't said anything that would lead us to believe that anyway I'm curious when it's a white man this accusation will pretty much switch off anyone from this group for my arguments because I've shown my agenda and I'm not convincing them of being evil bigots you know what I would love for him to do is if he actually found like an example of a sexist racist person and demonstrated how they have like you know a hypocritical bias or something evidence to prove his claims evidence to maybe support the accusations he's making another way to approach that by the way is that he did the voice so he went oh I'm proving them to be evil bigots it's like dude if people hate black people and women yeah they are I was gonna say like label of evil bigot yeah fine I mean I don't think you're a great person if you hate women and hate black people that's not looking good I'd say that makes you like a bad person you got issues I think it's bad to call people those things without any foundation that's kind of what I'm highlighting is he's created this category of people and all we know about them is they hate women and they hate black people and then he moves on to say like oh look at me I'm saying you're an evil bigot it's like kind of that is what you're saying though dude this guy is racist sexist he literally judges people based on their gender and the colour of their skin I'm not saying he's a bigot I'm not saying he's a bigot calm down racist and sexist for a woman and not when it's a white man accusation will pretty much switch off anyone from this group from my arguments because I've shown my agenda and I'm accusing them of being evil bigots nonetheless a common example of their reasoning is the characters like black widow who has no powers shouldn't be able to beat large men in a fight depends on the depends on the fight like this fight I'm seeing here with a chair not really buying it I can buy it because they're all pretty pathetic and she's the way she does it is the reason I buy it they show how she does it it works I know I see some of the hits that are just like some of the hits are done actually I would like to highlight though that we do that with the guys as well yeah it's all contextual to each individual fight so yeah if Hawkeye arm wrestled Thanos and won you'd be like no if black widow just beat up some guy I'd be like yeah of course she's black widow and if she beat up Thor I'd be like no no that no it depends on what's going on what does she have notice how for the sexism argument he brought up how everyone hates Captain Marvel but now women shouldn't win fight he's bringing up black widow because he can't make that argument about Captain Marvel because no one makes that argument about Captain Marvel because it's not based on gender it's based on power it's based on the fight which is kind of the problem and then you've got he'll bring up one guy like Stefan Mullen who does based on gender yeah but he's not I don't like him you have to have a by default I will choose an average man to beat up an average woman because that's how biology works I'm not saying it can't not happen but normally that's the way it goes so if you're going to show the opposite of what you might expect there's reasons for it that's why we're totally okay with black widow as an individual not as a woman but as a highly trained, skilled, assassin secret agent lady being able to beat people up you don't have to justify it because averages don't you know averages aren't everything right but if if we provided average build man versus average build woman and you get to bet a million dollars and you have to put the million dollars on one or the other like okay I'm going to put on the guy and then someone goes the girl has a gun like okay I'm putting on the girl the guy has Iron Man armor show her delivering better hits then yeah she's going to win like that's how that works you show her well no my point is that with our limited information is that's where we go with it but if you go those two normal build people tins out one of them has superpowers like which one the girl is like one of the powers super strength like well my money's going on her then like it really depends and if you go random Russian thug versus a girl who's been trained in the arts of like assassin skilled warfare yeah hand-to-hand yeah this I'm just like I'm pretty sure she's good I'm putting my money on here and so this is a I don't think we've ever I don't even know if we've talked about this scene from Avengers really CinemaSins does this though CinemaSins will fucking rail on Black Widow of how she can beat people up and it's always like I have an issue when she does it with like alien creatures that might be might be more powerful and like so for example you don't know though like when they just show the hits you know when when they show the hits landing you're like yeah she beat that guy up it depends depends what I see like I'm trying to think of more clear example but just especially if you have comparisons like let's say the Hulk punches a thing and the thing goes ow and then she hits it later in the same way and it goes whoa it falls over we'd be like wait hang on that sort of sort of when there's a contradiction it's bad well I'm not even I wasn't even gonna go that far just that's what sends up the flares it's not it's not someone just sent me this that's pretty funny wham in the thieves subjectivity it's all about my feelings all the word of the day is lenticular possibly drawing it all relating to a lens very good okay sorry alright let's see let's see some more of this argument just like Black Widow who has no powers shouldn't be able to beat large men in a fight because she's just a woman and objectively no see so if cinema sin said that because he can't be referencing us because we've said this if cinema sins is in this call and he said she can't do that what do you mean he can't be referencing us because we've never said this fine referencing this idea of us that he's constructed in if that's what he's doing he's got freedom to wiggle because he referenced a whole bunch of people so assuming then that he's referencing cinema sins and if cinema sins was in this call and they said don't you think it's stupid that Black Widow can beat up a bunch of random Russian thugs we'd all be like no and then what happens I don't know does this guy think that call explodes because of the fact that we should be agreeing with Jeremy from cinema sins I don't know he's like you guys can't have reasonable perspectives I would just ask him does he think who who who wins Iron Man or Black Widow and then he goes well Iron Man because he's like and I go what he's got a penis because he's got a big sue of armor and then I'm like okay so like because he's stronger than her at that point then like he can punch her and she'll fling across the room right and he'd be like yeah I guess and like what about Arnold Schwarzenegger versus a little girl he's like okay and then you just keep levelling it until you finally get to the point where you go I guess I'm not 100% sure of who would win at that point so do you think Black Widow would beat Tony Stark without his armor I think probably if Tony Stark literally has nothing then yeah she wins yeah Black Widow would win if he had I'm trying to think of what's the smallest amount of resources he could need to potentially beat her it's like ooh probably well I don't want to go that far because that's obvious but even then she could probably do some shit that would like depending on what's in the room and where they are yeah I'm sure she disarms a lot of opponents right so I wouldn't be so sure of the fight even if he had a gun yeah it depends on a lot does she get the drop on him all sorts of stuff if she knows she's going to it depends who initiates the fight if she knows she's going to fight him she's not going to get into a position where he can shoot her the point of all this is no sexism for fuck's sake it's not about whether or not she's a girl god damn it well I mean and if it is for some people use an example yeah like find that again Arnold Schwarzenegger versus the little girl it's going to be tough for her to win but then again it would be tough for a little boy to win too it's like it's just well no he'll be fine because he's a boy he'll use his penis attack how does it differentiate between the people who didn't like Captain Marvel because of its quality and who didn't like it because it's a woman you have to find them saying that that's like you know but that involves some level of research I'm just yeah and that's why videos like that don't that's why this video doesn't do that because if he'd made research then he would made the same video you know like the big dog things from Infinity War you send like one of them for each of the original six Avengers right and you see the Hulk just punches it right into the ground dies Iron Man blasts it with one of those things dies Thor hits it with his hammer dies um I guess let's ignore Hawkeye actually ignore Hawkeye because he's going to ruin this comparison so go away Hawkeye just just for a moment you can come back in a bit and then Captain America throws the shield into it goes he catches the shield jumps onto it and rams the shield into its head to kill it then Black Widow punches, punches, jumps over it punch, punch, kicks breaks its neck and it falls over I'd be like hmm I don't know about that and then he would be there and he'd be like what because she's a girl and I'm like no it's because that guy is an Asgardian that guy is an enormous green monster and that guy is an incredibly powerful technological suit they could all be women it wouldn't matter no it's because she's a woman it's because she's a woman like Black Widow so my favorite thing he uses Captain Marvel as the example of everything you know the one that everyone's sexist about but as soon as he's like he's an example of things that people say about it oh wait no I can't use her for this one because it's not based on gender I suppose that's the funny thing people wouldn't say that about Captain Marvel let's get Thanos we clone him up we send him toward the Hulk and Hulk punches him in the face and Thanos falls over dead he walks up to Iron Man Iron Man punches him in the face and falls over dead same with Thor and then Captain Marvel vaporizes him with their light speed lasers the only one I have a problem with there isn't Captain Marvel the rest of them are like hey how did you do that what's weird here too is that he says oh Black Widow who doesn't have any super powers he's like yeah that's kind of integral to the whole point isn't it kind of kind of kind of like you said the words they came out of your mouth like don't you think that's a big part of it a lot of things have come out of his mouth yeah very few of them interesting or true and some people highlight in chat it's like yeah if Black Widow used her pistols to shoot like the heads of these dog things or she electrocuted them with other things like I can believe that more but that's why I specifically said she punches it and kicks it and it falls over it's just like I don't think so yeah these things are no you have to show to make that a contradiction you have to show one of the other stronger avengers not beating it well we got plenty of that right like Cap gets covered in them like let's say yeah yeah anyway this shouldn't be able to beat large men in a fight because she's just a woman and objectively right women are statistically weaker they are I'm sorry dude you're just going to have to get over the fact I want to clarify though that would he's not arguing against that he's arguing that the only argument people make in the objectivity crowd is that women don't beat man because average woman less strong than average man that refers to likelihood rather than impossibility as in smaller build smaller frame woman versus larger build larger frame man does that mean the man wins every single time I've never heard anyone saying a woman cannot beat up a man I've never heard that it's what Steph and I all knew says that I mean there's so many other variables strictly that's the point of why this gets contentious because if you like does he win if we solely consider literally who's got bigger or more whatever the word would be accurate for this muscle mass if you're going strictly from that then I suppose the person with the higher muscle mass is the one with the higher muscle mass that's what I mean like that that has a lot to do with it well I was just going to say if you want to make it that specific then I guess that's where we're going with it but it's like what else is going on in this fight where are they what items do they have on them where can they go are they people anyway don't even again have super power that's obviously going to be relevant their muscle mass because if you have like a Brie Larson sized woman fucking pin the Hulk down we're going to be like how did you do that they go she has superpowers you go oh fuck okay she must yeah it's the thing because if she didn't we'd be like that's not possible it's like you know this also applies to small men and like you know if you saw if I saw Peter Dinklage beat up you know Scarlett Johansson I'd be like really can I see that please yeah giant midgets can do all kinds of shit I just I don't see Danny DeVito beating up Ronda Rousey I just don't believe it she is way bigger and stronger than he is don't buy it for a second he'd have to be in like a super suit or something like a couple of you I want to see that so bad yes please fucking Danny DeVito in an Iron Man suit he's rising um yeah I just I don't know if I was with this guy right now I'd be like I have a lot of reasons for why I think doesn't work and I'm not a sexist okay and then I'd get the whole that's just what a sexist would say I feel like a turtle I am a sexist but that's not why this thing I hate women but that's not the problem I have with this I hate women but I have grown to accept that they have a role in society and that's just you know that's just we need them they are like batteries well it's like batteries well these people think that saying oh they just hate women like that's not actually a counter I don't think they realize as well the majority of our edgy jokes come from the fact that we get told that with this this thing we're like oh maybe we'll just join the beam yeah great almost done we can make it yes we can objectively right women are statistically weaker so got them the obvious understanding the audience has when they see Black Widow beat up a big man is that she is really good at fighting the rules of the world because no one said it you guys are a bit ahead of me there I'm gonna replay it is that she is really good at fighting the rules of the world shift from the assumption she can't beat larger more powerful opponents in a fight to the assumption that she can the rules shift I mean those rules are always in place people can train and become stronger yeah like we don't say she can't it's whether or not you like show that yeah and we don't really have any indication and so several examples where we immediately go wait how did they do that and then we're expecting them to explain it but if they don't we should be like okay and then later on if they show that this person can't do the thing we saw them do that's when it becomes a serious problem as opposed to I guess it's just unexplained power this person has after all she may not have powers but she is a hero in a superhero movie no that's not why it's because she has all of this training she's not even super everything she can do and was given at younger ages all stuff that happens in real life exactly like she does that's why we say she doesn't have super powers she's just really well trained normal human yeah and she can like she fights alongside the avengers and it's always just like I don't know I don't know about that because the whole reason they're all together is because one of them is a literal god one of them is a radioactive monster one of them has the most advanced super suit across it if you're like okay it's like she should be there as much as everyone else who's got lots of training should be there if that's your goal you know what I mean it was the same with infinitisms where they were like let's gather all of the super bed and stuff or whatever else like you got infinite wills to work with or you just gather all of the best from all of the places they didn't do that I don't even think it mattered though in that story but like if you're gonna have these people defend thingy you'd be like should we get all of the best trained like people of together wasn't she just there because she was just the one with good training that they had she was good friends with nick fury and another dude yeah but I was talking I was ignoring the sort of like friendship and family aspects of the avengers and more so just looking at power levels it's like kind of interesting how she should be there as much as Hawkeye well see Hawkeye this is the problem with Hawkeye he kind of has a superpower like his accuracy is utterly insane if someone said that's just human accuracy push to its limits I'd be like I don't know about that some of this stuff he can't even see yeah and you might be like there's some people who can do that I'd be like cause if that's what we're talking about at what point might he sense a superpower oh wait you're saying like that's kind of what he has kind of yeah I mean that's the problem with Hawkeye he shouldn't be there either I'd be like I don't know I guess I can see it argument he needs more protection he's like power level wise he's so far below all the others though like yeah I mean like you're talking about really good no matter how good you're doing it even if you're inhumanly good at it it's like you know I have an inhuman ability to knit really well if they're 8s and 9s in terms of like possible power levels and stuff she's probably sitting at like what 4, 3 and then Hawkeye's like a 6 I would say Hawkeye's better although would you say that they caught Hawkeye in a fan of hand you think he's one above her yeah like being super accurate he has a super power yeah but it's not like it's not a superpower that's like that I don't know it depends on what the arrows are because depending on what those arrows are that really is that puts a huge amount and we're talking about a guy who has arrows that do fucking crazy shit like they explode they melt through things they shoot bullets sometimes I'm struggling to picture that many situations where having that level of accuracy would be you know sure it would happen a few times maybe but like normally you can just get away with throwing a grenade at the area and it will blow up the thing that you want it to blow up like you don't need super accurate explosion projecting most of the time I don't know that I agree I think the super accuracy is a big part of it so you're saying that you only believe he's powerful because he's a man yes so okay I can agree with that very well I mean do we have to bring up the whole long bows or not really ideal weapons for people who are generally weaker in the upper body strength department I thought you were going to say long bows are not the ideal weapon for we're not going to have to say Black Widow had Super Serum it was in the movies I don't remember them ever saying Black Widow had Super Serum if she does have Super Serum though then that does definitely change things that's my bad if I missed that unless that's a new movie if she has Super Serum like Captain America or something then that will definitely change things but not women generally the average woman or the average man but not every person is the average woman or the average man if you're equal in hand to hand weaponry and the like do you really get a giant bump due to superhuman accuracy I think you do it just accentuates all of your abilities if you're not accurate if you're very accurate up close then yeah because you still have to hit people with melee weapons they have fights in the MCU where they often draw or come close to it anyway so it's like so surely the power levels are equal and it's like I don't know it's just that every time he's against enemies he's fucking lethal someone just sent me this I think you'll enjoy it I am now excited hopefully we can see that we can test it I want to see that movie so bad look at this shit whoever said Super Serum for Black Widow was a filthy liar as far as the movies are considered like oh god she had red room training some kind of soviet super spy program as far as I'm aware she's had some of the most intense training and she was very young that's why she's pretty exceptional but I don't think she has any Super Serum and anybody who could defeat Black Widow is a force to be reckoned with yeah unless you've got super duper powers in which case just like or a penis yes the super power that is the penis alright let's close this out my penis is a super pain what do you say balls would you be able to beat Black Widow if you had like no dick for balls so it's the balls I like how that shop is almost as good as the CGI they actually do yeah oh man people have like the complaint of this suit that there's not enough room for Bruce Brown but now you sound super muffled well while you fix that I can use the restroom is that better no okay I don't know what's wrong then you sound like you're talking like this but it's just like I've been doing like anything with my mic right now it's just normal I need you to fix your shit dude I'll see what I can do we'll see how people are like what about the eye and everything discussion we're nearly there yeah we'll get there let's see we gotta finish this video do some memes and then that's coming up next right yes and hopefully is it movie Bob or Hitler because I'm really looking forward to that yes that is on this way as well I hope you guys have got a clean schedule how's this hey that's better I just unplugged it and unplugged it back in wait Shad had to do that a lot as well remember oh no I've got a you've got an Australian problem I'm upside down how does it feel all the blood is rushing to my head is that why Australians are so smart yeah also they're men so oh um I'm just gonna stare at chat see if I find anything interesting while we're waiting for ranks you you need the movie Bob Adolf quiz mmhmm you merely adopted the gay I was born in it the super power that is the penis one more hour and I'll be joining you boys with a drink actually oh yeah I could maybe you're in I suppose next time we have drinker on I will have a drink I've got a big you can just stop right there Jay I've got a big someone said I can't send a super chat please help I don't know what to do somebody help that poor man that's such a horrible condition I'm fuller I love you even though you hate doxels too oh somebody likes doxels too we found them rageru are you backeru I'm backeruni oh my goodness let's do this thing a hero in a superhero movie the reason this happens is to do with the continual theme of these movies of empowerment of believing in special individuals who can do amazing things I guess you know it does link in with the theme if you that's not the reason it happens yeah it's not because she's a hero I guess that's the reason that she's been portrayed that way one at a time there are heroes because they do amazing things they don't do amazing thing because they're heroes what a terrible message that would be I know right there were already heroes to begin with that's why they do stuff everyone everyone who does good stuff is like a special designated good person and everyone else doesn't matter also Aubrey hot vid30 chat with me hello oh they're back back again don't you said one thing one of the ones that they did was high rags that is kind of funny though that it's Aubrey hot video chat with me alright I wonder if there's anything actually on it my secret xxx video live chat one video put up two hours ago it's got 137 views click this for live chat with me well let's see if only 137 views I don't think this method's working well let's see live chat with me okay maybe there are lots of channels with these kinds of videos on them don't get an STD rags alright we finally gonna finish this video sign up for free in just one minute what is your gender oh female definitely yep you're a female my privatefling.com I'm a female sure what a chat with Aubrey Aubrey sounds really nice Aubrey sounds like she's look listen sounds more like a fruit you might be a whore but it bought our house butter house I can't say that I'm not shaming her slut shaming butter houses this happens is to do with the continual theme of these movies of empowerment of believing in special individuals who can do amazing things and to some degree are simply empowered by their fundamental goodness but that's theme again which is slightly anathema to this way of thinking no it's not it's really not why um stop it how do you think you concluded the things you just concluded you got a bunch of references and all we want to know is whether or not your references were accurate is it objectivity the fundamental difference here is the black widow winning a fight that seems unlikely stretches their suspension of disbelief beyond levels that they can maintain and suspension of disbelief depends depends on the scenario I just want to question his position on this I just be like we just have you know in endgame you know he boops captain marvel and they show a shot where she's knocked out and uh he's about to snap it but then black widow with a kitchen knife chops off his arm and he's like what the fuck and then she punches him and he goes flying across the earth and then they all hail her as saving the world and we all clap and I just be like do you have any issue with that because I don't I think it's great and because he's I don't know and so as soon as you establish that you do care then it's about where the line is drawn and as far as we're concerned I think the only fair way to draw the line is just being definitive about any information you have and whether or not you feel that you can suspend your disbelief going to be down to each individual you were you saying that's that's subjective no I'm saying it's ob subjective oh I shouldn't have said kitchen knife whoops oh Jesus I'm sorry I should have said sword you fell for the trap I should have said sword cause that's children of disbelief why is the chat full of tea why do you sound muffled again tea tea for um somebody say say tea if oh tea for themes maybe press tea for theme yeah there you go is the kitchen knife supposed to be Alfred yes there's the black widow winning a fight that seems unlikely stretches the suspension of disbelief beyond levels that they can maintain the suspension of disbelief is just about the most subjective thing agreed at the end of the day they won't believe a woman could win a fight but they'll believe a man could fly yeah if the rules are grounded if the rules are explained then I can absolutely believe it you know what you know what you know yes you're right simultaneously though we will not believe a man can win a fight and we'll believe a woman can fly it depends so hold on did he just turn yeah so like okay so oh Superman can fly because we think he has penis power now it comes with no they're saying that it's the helicopter we're saying it doesn't make any sense for us to believe that Superman can fly if we simultaneously believe that black widow can't win certain fights no I think he's saying that we believe she can't win any fight that was me being a little charitable but it's really hard to tell because this video is so dog shit I'm not even sitting there in the last 20 seconds we're done I think autistic has just told me that this guy wanted to be wanted to be what? wanted to be a covet on eFap and he's been trolling the disco to get reactions oh well he got his wish I suppose I don't care someone I want to show if you throw up the video right look at the comments you got Quinton reviews said damn what a final line wow I don't wait to see a 15 hour response that pauses between every two syllables you make as a creator's absorbed none of what you're saying and randomly guess what your point is based on the specific half a word nailed it Quinton wait do you want to say that that's the thing is like he specifically said things and we respond to this Quinton's actually here I should help the comments it's so great to have him be the one saying this the one who like fucking lied about me in rags more than once it's like proven and he already like he has a line on libraries just like all his mistakes like don't even fucking go there dude you have no leg to stand on all right stop it Quinton you're awful and also that final line is just bullshit he's already established that he's got nothing to do with men and women at that point superpowers versus non superpowers yeah the changes the share of everything is he aware that supergirl is a thing no do you have any problem believing she can fly it's like no because she's a woman and for no other reasons that have anything to do with quality I don't like that show because she's a woman I don't like it either it's fucking well from the clips I've seen it looks awful I saw a crisis on infinite earth and it's insanely bad crisis I would just like I would just recommend this guy do his b