What's up everyone this down now waiting for Not so and both Not so and Jean just show up so I could add it both in the same time because you have to do that when it's Three people at once. So hopefully they both come in around the same time. We could both Get him going should be a good one today. Should be a hella good one. Oh, look, I can like comments now What's this? I can actually like people's comments Um, Bryn's more into airbrush and stuff.   That's the orange base the orange amps base that they did It was cheap as fuck. I could like people's comments. How about that shit? They updated a few things So Jean when you get here wave and same with Francis Yeah, I base is my first instrument that I started on but I don't I can't play much anymore I mean I could play it but just not like I used to Guilty pleasure guitar pedal. I like the Electroharmonix organ ones. It's not like organ than the synth ones. Those are pretty pretty awesome. I want a surf bear But I can't afford that. So not gonna have one Well, we'll see we'll see if Jean shows up I hope he does I hope he remembers This week there's Jean now. We got to wait for not so and then we can add them both in What bands did you follow? In your most in my heyday I played a lot with the locust A lot of the early post-hardcore power violence bands Lots of old-style punk rock bands 80s California punk rock bands Not so you're late. Where are you? See Not so Can someone on discord ping not so just in case he's oh wait, I came on early. I forgot that's why okay Don't shade it my boy And if you hear snufflin and snortin Darby's in here with me. So that's all that is Played with locust. Yes, one of my very good. I mean all of them are good friends of mine at one point still friends with Justin and Gabe a lot of our biggest shows were because of the locust dudes in 3 1g Yeah, Murray's back to normal. All right. Here's not so okay not so requests to join I think you have to send in a request to join for me to add you there we go except Let me There's one Three there we go So guys good evening coming. Oh, yeah All right, not so you you kick the show off. I kick the show off. You're the kickoff guy. I'm the kickoff guy Well, yeah, thank you for another Friday night of your time We got besides the normal kick. We got our buddy. Oh, I guess we'll call him mean Jean on the screen He and I live in the same spot pretty much We kind of both Lived most of our adult lives in Mendo. We've kind of seen like all the various changes that have gone on We both have a bunch of similar breeding interests in various aspects And so we thought it would be cool to we're gonna do this a number of times We thought would be cool to bring him on and talk a little bit about just some of the some of the history stuff That went on in Mendo some of the changing of the times and some of the stuff that we saw from long ago and Some stuff that he's interested in and we are and so on and so forth so That's kind of where we're at Awesome. Yeah, so yeah, Jean tell us tell us about some of the stuff you saw growing up Like what are your first memories of of strain specifically? Oh I mean like I Can tell you like originally I remember Hanging out like with my buddy sigh when we were little and him like getting bud from his brother and being like Oh, this is this is this is good. This is good good pot or a good weed. This is bud You know check it out.  Just give me a sheet.  So they were probably like No, six feet six foot tall plants or something they seemed huge And I remember him being like up on a little platform kind of and then the light Being all the way near up by the roof and being a few feet apart And that was like my first time seeing shit like that and then right around then was when my mom was given that that um, Manila envelope that was that had seeds in it to grow indoor And it was like you got to have indoor seeds to grow indoor We thought which turns out it's not true We didn't realize it until like the mid 90s when I tried growing a bunch of different other shit randomly Which most of it didn't really work out to be that dank, but at least you could you could do it It was weed and then all weed was weed It didn't matter if it was as killer as the northern lights But the northern lights was killer and that's what was in that envelope and uh My mom popped a few of those she got one plant that was a female She saved some of the other ones We ended up planting those years later when I lived in Healdsburg down in Sonoma County. That was like 90 90 493 I want to say it was eighth grade for me So it had to be right around in that in that time period and um So that was but that was like the first strain I remember having where it like had a name was northern lights And then when I was a kid, I didn't know about it But my mom and and her boyfriend like uh, who's like my dad George They had stuff that they got that was um They got this stuff from a friend out in george's neighborhood that was the that was uh the mizari And they really liked it and then I was talking to george the other day and he said that about 70 in about 76 He was in san francisco at the beach And these dudes had brought back a couple pounds of seeds from afghanistan And he said that was the first time he ever saw afghani weed Which was interesting to me because I I thought more like here the other stories I know are more like 84 humble 78 So he was like no, it was 76 and that was the first stuff and he goes that was different than the mizari That and that I got from charlie brown and um, so he was telling me that and that was cool because it's all this time And I still you still get new information, right? Yeah So that was cool shit and then uh He was like, ah, I wish I would I wish I would have hung on to some of those Those were really killer and the mizari was a much bigger plant with like the big long buds and yeah So but that was that was before my time But that was like, you know stuff that was Had I been aware of what was going on that was stuff that was being grown, you know, yeah, but yeah But yeah, so then so then really the northern lights was like that first thing And then I remember that being around and uh The first clone I can remember Besides that which is probably around the same time if not right at the same time I remember willow had just come out the movie willow, right? Yeah. Yeah, so that's 89. I think and we This lady's house up in legged and she had this weed that was purple Which was really cool because to me like I'd always seen, you know pot like still what I call pot like is like general weed It's not really not any distinction.  It's some pot, right? She had some shit that was purple weed and the smell of that is still what I smell in the urkel and Like when I do all the breeding with the cherry pie I'll get these ones where like when I label my bag so that I remember what kind of plant it was the throw Like legged purple smell On it to like so that I know like this is that one that's kind of like that and that used to pop The stuff I had called the big red too Um, and if you really grew a lot of deep chunk the sweeter ones You'll get some that are really more that style and then I even got a lot of that smell When I smelled a flat that a dude had brought to the emerald cup that was um I think it was green source gardens brought a flat of all these afghanis that were recently imported And he had grown them to see what was in them and some of them were good Some of them were bad Some of them smelled like cheesy They were all different smells But a couple of them had that smell that I was like that's like that that legged purple smell You know and it's easy because it's it's an early smell, right? Like you know what it smelled like the first time you smelled someone cooked broccoli Or the first time they'll polish remover or like it's like a smell that really stuck with me Um, so those are like the two oldest things and that clone resurfaced when I was living out in this neighborhood west of here um And it was uh a lady who I was staying with and her neighbor who's a guy who What I call perp came from which is the purple stemmed stuff that wound up in real and uh They both were growing it and I saw and I was like oh, this is that shit and and and it turned out it did come from the same lady and um You know for me that was a really long time apart, but for those adults It was just a little while right now. You know how it is four or five years That's There was that so there was those and then um You know Around back in those days.  You fall asleep. You wake up with a headache Like this wasn't like that.  You're like, oh, no, I don't want to smoke that So back then you didn't get attached to stuff very much It was either like this shit's really killer or it's not that killer and then Around I guess it was around 94 I I started hanging out. I had been living in Healdsburg for like a year and it sucked. I went to eighth eighth grade down there and Most people were square or the people who weren't square were skaters And they were pretty pretty soon to turn into tweakers once they hit high school later yeah and And then like the mexican dudes were really cool to me and the skaters were really cool to me But the squares were kind of like, yeah, this dude's like cut you kind of tell it's like more of a stoner guy, right? So it was kind of weird going to a new school because it was real there was more of that separation I live in a real small town when I was going to school before that And there's not enough kids for there to be any separation because you can't have a whole group of one thing Or there's just three guys or whatever, right? so basically I was down there and then I came back up north and some of my buddies had actually Growing in the bushes and shit And they were they were like carrying buckets to go to to water and stuff like my my my buddies uh on on instagram their og foundation farms and um and uh And uh, god damn. What's what's his what's his thing?  This is the one from over there And they had named all the plants by the location like this is this one from the top of the pond or this was This chunky one or whatever, you know and and then like whoever the seeds were from so there was like chunky marks From that was like from the from from mark who was chunky or the plant was chunky And I never really And then there was tall marks which came from the the taller mark, you know the other guy who Is taller and so they had all these different shit and they would be like oh and all these ones are tasty And those ones aren't and I was like damn, okay, shit. I didn't really know anything about that with weed like flavors and Exactly what they were.   Okay. Shit. I've just been like choking on it You know How they were smoking hitting it a little lighter Taking it the deep inhale blowing out the smoke before you cough like the basic things, you know You're more seasoned smoker, but I was a kid, you know, and so Then that was when I started to then see all the variety and when we would go to school You know, we'd smoke at lunch and people would bring the stuff from their parents And we find out what they had in bell springs what they had in spyrock What's what what this girl's dad grew or what this girl's dad got from from You know Bill Graham presents people give it hooking them up weed because they were it was the people who were into that You know all the dead shit and um So then like then I started to see more of the variety and uh in that time period around then a little later was when I saw like the effects, which is what you know, like uh Not I think cross the Mendo P with the with the effects to make purple effects Which became really popular and is in some of the more popular things now um Stuff that we called garlic bud that I don't know that it was garlic bud As far as the strain, but it was really that crazy gnarly It's like even more gnarly than deep chunk where the The bracts grow like from the center of the bud all the way out like they're really long and narrow and caked with resin and almost Inside with the purple stripes and the crazy funk and um around then too was when I first saw like big blue um And then you know going into the later 90s we saw monkey balls which people call deep chunk and um You know then right around then was when you start to get the clone wave And that was when we got things like sweat trainwreck Mr. Nice guy green queen Did you ever see snorvel up there? I never saw snorvel I've heard of it, but we did never see snow bud. We did see um What was in the same little time period? I mean a little later was blue dream snow cap um But there was one that was really popular and humble called the mist which was supposedly like a matanuska mist thing or something and People really loved it who loved it now people say it's mid-tea. It doesn't happen much But it was a really beautiful plant It got these really nice buds that were kind of shaped like this and they were just chunky and covered in resin And I crossed that with a big blue and I got got a couple great plants out of that that were really nice But it's because they kind of lean to the blue side on flavor. It wasn't the most Outstanding ship. It was really popular and humble for people to crop that that Mr. Nice trainwreck Did you uh Kind of a little way did you see that uh, did you used to see that blueberry skunk? that uh Remember sasso had that and like like guys like tony mendo and craig and all those dudes that way back when we're kind of working with them Did you ever see any of that blueberry skunk that he ran? I'm not sure man. We had one up here that my buddy called Super skunk and it was not super skunk. He said it's blueberry northern lights and It's very resinous and to me it smells almost like penny royal Or like a hint of spearmint or something it's in more in that realm of like I don't want to say erby, but it's that kind of a thing where it's like that really cuts through You know how peppermint is or penny royal if you It's like it's like that really like sharp herbal funk and uh That one was cool and I don't I mean, I don't know if that would have been the same thing I mean he called it super skunk. He knew it was blueberry northern lights So maybe that was kind of a similar thing. I don't know I don't think I don't think that blueberry skunk was related to anything that we call blueberry today You know, uh in terms of what became famous and associated with You know, but yeah But it was kind of like that. I would say like the late 90s there was kind of like like he was saying like you Maybe the late 90s early 2000s was really when like the name strain game really began Because like what he was saying, I remember stuff where most of the time weed was talked about like Where it was from Yeah Yeah, I mean like um a lot of people called sam that's Don't leave that because That whole era when I talked about all those clones at the same time everybody was growing salmon creek big bud So that that was a popular one. What did that? What was the turps like on that one? To me plain Some people said it was very skunky and loud. Yeah to me it was it tasted to me really soapy and good And I thought it was really good weed and the plant unreal. I watched um those same buddies of mine Uh og foundation and ancient future.  He used to grow these plants and my buddy worked for him Um, who now is a cowboy buds. I believe count not cowboy buds cowboy chronic uh, and he Used to work for him. And so they had pictures on their fridge that were like photocopied pictures And I remember looking and being like why what are what's in this? Is there something in this picture? I don't see and they were like, yeah, it's weed and I'm like, where's the weed I only see the trees, you know, yeah, and they that's all weed like all that is Also, it's just a golden field with big old Madrone trees growing in the middle of it and that's the weed and they were like that's the weed and I was like, holy What is this guy pole? And I'm sure he was pulling 15 18 22 pounds or something off of those Because he it was a strange. He was one of the first people who really had it and circulated it in salmon creek and um That was yeah, I was wild dude, but uh, but that was a big one But that but that's all to say that at a certain point you didn't have to call a big bud You could just say hey, do you have do you know, do you have salmon creek packs? Like sure? You have to say Yeah, um, and I think I think that like I mean we used to get and that the other thing that I mean, maybe I'll like rewind a bit about a couple of things for people that don't live up here Area 101 is tim blake who ended up founding uh emerald cup that was his kind of like You know it was right on the highway right on the 101 It was kind of like a gathering place he threw like some mini festivals and parties there He got in trouble with the county numerous times in the beginning and uh, I don't know how many of the first um The first emerald cups were there, but it was kind of like a gathering place north of leightonville You know and reggae on the river is like right across the border Uh from mendo it's like basically like as soon as you cross into humble from mendicino county. You're basically at You're basically at the festival and that's kind of where Everyone would gather in uh in the middle of summer and see a bunch of reggae It was kind of like one of the few things that would like happen up there You know and when I was I'm a little older than than gene I came out to see the dead in the in the 90s and then obviously there's a connection between the bay and humble mendo And so I got dragged up there And I have in 94. I think it was 94 95 was the first time I came to mendo Um, and I went to uh, we went to reggae on the river and humble And there's like two things that will stand out for me forever from being from the midwest and coming from a police state One was a guy walking up and down and selling buds and the buds were like In a five gallon paint bucket with the colas sticking out the top And just like the ability for someone to like walk around openly And and show weed Yeah, which was so sketch where I came from was like crazy. And then if people have never been there, there's like, uh um Like the river runs through it right there and you can kind of like look up And there's like cliffs and where the cliffs are that's where the 101 is You know and so they'd have a bunch of at certain parts of it at least And so they'd have a bunch of cops up there directing traffic and all that And I had friends that were like in the know So we got like, uh, you know riverfront camping, which is kind of nice, right? And I'm pulling tubes You know, I'm pulling it.  It was still cat and mouse with the cops um the era that that uh gene is talking about when his friends were starting to grow weed nobody grew weed real like I don't want to say nobody but for the most part you grew weed in the woods You grew weed in the manzanitas you you didn't grow weed like right out your back door Um, you know, you put some distance most people most people would try to put some distance between their house and where they had their patch Because they didn't want to get raided, you know, uh, and feel like he was saying carrying buckets of water figuring out how to run water From point a to point b even to get your plants fed Um, and you know back then, you know, I don't know what prices he was getting But weed was like 4500 or 5000 or more a pound So you got away with 20 25 pounds of shade grown manzanita weed And you had a phenomenal year Yeah, you know the scale of everything was different in the sense that like you didn't have to grow like some enormous thing Like, you know, you didn't have to grow hundreds of pounds to make a living You know if you got away with 20 or 30 you were set You know and then the trim scene and all that other stuff really wasn't that big of a deal So everyone was kind of just learning and like the Like like train wreck salmon creek big bud the effects like he mentioned there was some name things But there was still a lot I don't want to say until the purple craze when when people started demanding uniform pounds Because like with outdoor at least from my experience up here Like people would grow the same strains, but they would mix pounds and mix phenos Yeah, right. So you'd get three four five phenos in a pound a lot of time You know and that was perfectly acceptable Yeah to do that like so you'd have you'd have weed from the instead of the weed having a name It would be like from whatever town or area like oh, this is some white thorn This is some panther gap.  They're hard to get to So cannabis really wasn't like like like permitted out here It was more like a kind of a cat and mouse game and there was a few enough people that you could get away with it Um, you know if you were careful, but everyone we know got camped sometimes I mean there used to be an old joke that you would like you would plant three gardens And one was for you and one was the cops and one was for the feaks And you and you hope that one of them came through In a way You know because you could go like the same thing you could you could go You know on on you know harvest moon or whatever went full moons during fall You know, you could get people out there that could go with some contractor bags and they could steal 10 or 15 or 20 pounds And back then that was that was a ton of money. Yeah, so you could go and check on your crop and it's gone The whole thing is gone trauma You know, yeah And when the when the clones started taking off and it was like everybody wanted to grow Trainwreck it wasn't because oh if I have trainwreck, I'm gonna get a higher price or people will want my weed faster You could sell any weed you had It just had to be dried right and it had to be mature and it had to be trimmed good, you know and It was only the only reason people were growing clones then was reliability So if you would grow Trainwreck, you knew you were gonna get a good crop with a lot of weed and you liked how it How it was to cut down and how it was to trim And then You know, it was reliable like you know, you're gonna get something good out of this So you grow the clone and and then also somebody tries this clone It doesn't work well for them and their garden or the way they grow and they try this other clone And it works really good for them. So they're like, okay So then that's why people got stuck with the clones The first clone that carried a premium in this area was urkel and urkel was the one That totally shot everything to shit as far as the the The diversity because before that somebody was like, oh, I like this clone and somebody was like, oh I like that clone and urkel came and it was like, well, that's cool But this urkel you can sell right now for like 48 a pound half wet So you're selling 12 ounce pounds and you're like it might not be as good if you don't know how to grow it yet And you think it's done at seven weeks and it's really not But it didn't matter as long as you could get it to go At first it didn't even really matter if it went purple But it after just a little couple runs worth of time going by if you could get it to get dark People would show up and they and you'd be like it's still wet and they'd be like well Let me see it and you'd be like well and they do no just take that put it in the bag They're like we'll take it down south and we'll dry it in our bedroom, dude And we don't That it's not going to be a pound when it gets done because people were so hungry for it and uh, that's super accurate because before urkel Before the purple wave and probably oh 30405 Was kind of that was kind of that wave He's right every good type of weed salt If it was grown decently well, and it was dried it was dried well, and it was trimmed well People would just there wasn't a named strain game people weren't coming up here with like, okay You need to buy x amount of peas and it could be these four strains It was like go get some good weed and bring it back You know And it's seedless and it's trimmed And the day it's ready You know it's it's all a matter of if somebody Of scheduling it had nothing to do with whether or not you could find a buyer or you have the right product or any of that stuff It was like there's weed. Okay. It's gone and then Everything would be you know back then it was there was only one big wave of harvest the outdoor not the depth And so it wasn't this constant thing of there always being weed So it would be like there would be a bunch of weed Never a flood and then it would be all drought for most of the year and I remember being like, okay, it's august Or july or september and like like for reggae on the river.  I better save a reggae stash too So you'd have like some buds that you came across through the year that were like the best weed You'd be like, oh, I'm gonna take two grams of this and set it aside or I'm gonna take five grams of this and set it aside And then if you could show up a reggae on the river the first weekend in august And have a sack of weed like this. It was just like epic because people were like Fuck, how do you have that? You know Some people would still have weed and people who were either had the the good fortune to have a ton of weed or who like had certain Either connections or lack of connections where they just wound up with weed in august Like you would have weed, but it was a big deal In the summer months to have weed back then. Yeah, and this is this is before cell phones too It's before the internet or any kind of forums So for a bunch of people in humble so in southern humble and meadow Like reggae on the river was not only like a It was two days back then but it wasn't just like a big weekend of fun You could actually meet someone where like they wanted weed Right where like everyone you knew grew weed for the most part if you were in those little circles And so a lot of people made a bunch of connections to other parts of the state or wherever wherever You know because they would bump into people and like like he was just saying like, you know They'd smoke some weed and they were like, oh my god, this is amazing. Can you get me more of this?  Let me try to get this Let me try to get that because it was like there was so much demand There was a little bit of indoor going on for sure, but not nothing in comparison to demand And when outdoor came in, I wouldn't even say it was a flood. There was just more weed Yeah, it would never flood it would never was just And then it was unavailable and I was like the two to get it If you had good weed for years and years if you had good weed You could probably sell it within three to five days of it hitting the bag without too much effort And it didn't really matter what it was It mattered if it was nice or not, but but the name game the specifics of it Like I said, you could get you could sell somebody 10 pounds. It was a mix of eight different phenos And if it was good, it would go fine You know You're good and it was mature and it was it had to be it had to be it had to have some but it's but the names and the Consistence all the stuff they look for now No, that that didn't really matter And so as a result of that there was like a bunch of diversity Because there was a lot of hill people that had their random strains that they'd grown for a long time Or their friends had given them, you know, not everybody bred but Uh, you know Jean and I have talked about this before Kind of that one of the most common ways people would breed because they grew from seed every year Is every two or three or four years they'd be like, oh, I should make some fresh seed And they'd take all their sexed males that they vaged out in pots before they planted in their holes And they'd put those sexed males like on some other part of the hill Away downwind, you know And then they'd have their females growing in their patch And a lot of times they would go and collect male collect male pollen And then bring it back and like brush it on their favorite females bottom branches from that year And mark them And then, you know, when they harvested, you know, they'd get x amount of hundreds or you know, whatever seeds and that was their next two three years worth of supply Until they were like, oh, these are getting kind of old. I'm running a little low. I should do that again this year Which if you do the math you realize that those those things that are the modern weed Like the most modern weed like it's the new it's cookies or it's whatever it is. You go. Yeah, it's probably only really In a lot of cases was only a handful of generations Displaced from origin, you know, like a lot of afghanis.  My seed's seven years old.  Yeah, what is that? It wasn't like the weed was undeveloped In in a in a genetic sense or it was unrefined in a breeding sense.   It had so high in thc.  It's space weed. It's like, yeah, that was what that was what, you know, like That was what came over. There's not genetics don't work in a way where traits just Miraculously appear although they do it's very rare and a lot of that really good shit. It was it was already It was already there in what we were seeing at reggae on the river and somebody's sack from santa cruz That showed up to sell their pound or whatever, you know, like stuff was Stuff was crazy. I think probably when it showed up, you know and I I would add to that that I was smiling when he said that because One of the one of, you know, when you apply capitalism to all this stuff, right?     It's like if I got you high, huh?  Yeah, your body.  Can you imagine? You you could not sell weed without them smoking a few joints with you and making sure it burned, right?  Does it have nose? What's your price point?      Yeah, I was like I mean, I understand maybe that there could be something that would be worth that if it was like Really hard to grow and it fucking took 24 weeks and you've never tried anything like this But it's like it's just some bud that people used to sell for Really cheap and it's not even as good of a version and it's like selling for 600 an ounce and you're like Shit, okay I mean the the sad part is is that you would think with legalization Typically it makes quality go up and price go down Because you take the risk out of the equation You know and there's there's a risk pricing in there, but so far with cannabis the way we've structured california It's kind of done the opposite Weed in general is way worse than the 215 era and it's definitely more expensive Yeah, it'd be different if you were producing a molecule, right? Like you're producing a molecule.   You couldn't whatever it was It was just like the little Minor fun and that's kind of what happened is like people used to be able to make a really good living off 2030 40 100 a couple hundred pounds And then you could treat that stuff right you could dry it right you could cure it right you you weren't overwhelmed You could have just a few people helping you and you could do the little things that kept it nice And now they're like how do I grow these 10 licenses? I have and I've got 2 000 pounds coming down and Costs are through the roof and I have to do OSHA and all this other shit and what suffers is the week You know they start looking around at like how what ways they can cut corners And you know it's it's they're not evil necessarily by any means they're just trying to survive because shit's all rough And or or they just don't they've grown 100 or 200 pounds their whole career And that's been happy for them and then they get asked to grow 2 000 pounds And they just don't know how to scale up You know what because their system that they had for them when it was smaller worked amazing But their system didn't scale so you try to scale it up You you like oh i'm just going to double the recipe That doesn't really work like that you can't just double recipes, you know You like you sometimes you have to do it in batches So if you can have somebody And say okay, you're going to do you're going to do like this many runs And maybe you're going to get more runs in or something then people can keep it exactly the same And then everybody has a ceiling so some people can scale a lot better than others because of the the way that they do things Like as simple as i grow i probably could have scaled pretty well because i don't do anything very special And that's part of why i'm able to get weed that i really like because i just kind of let it Do its thing so it's mostly the soil And then i really try to make sure to really like pay a lot of attention to harvesting and and drying it And uh, so like it's it's doable, but it's still i could still never do enough to be a big brand You know it's i just couldn't do it. Let's let's let's be clear too, right? So Um, i mean i came out here when i was in my early 20s, so i didn't grow up here like he did but My experience is most weed growers back then were back to the landers hippies People that decided to grow weed because logging ended and they needed a Way to support their family you know These aren't people that are like amazing at logistics You know these aren't like like sergeants that are like, okay You three do this and this is the efficient way to do that and this and that and everything else They just figured out some kind of way that worked for them. It's at a smaller medium scale And then you try to like commercialize that and all of a sudden their experience is only so good at that part because Now it becomes logistics Now it becomes like, you know, like now you're a conductor now You're trying to like move the orchestra around and like you're used to kind of just winging it You know and even when stuff becomes really super competitive in that kind of a that kind of a thing A lot of the people it's like back when weed was rare if you got weed and it didn't suck and it was good genetics You were like wow, this is really good weed But then when things get more and more competitive a lot of the people too who you're like, oh they have Killer weed and like it's it's like you're like, well, but is it like is it really that killer? But it has to go up against people who are so knowledgeable And are going okay. Well, you know this You've got to have this particular watering schedule and this dry back and all these different like very specific parameters and then it's like It's like, yeah, their weed was really good, but it's not it's still not competitive And I'm not saying that's everybody but that's a whole section of people too Where all of a sudden now when there's a huge flood You're like well this weed is just not like there's always been people who Would would be like, oh dude, I have this weed and I I'd look at it and I'd be like, oh cool It's it's nice, you know, but at the same time.  Have you seen what people are doing?  They want the pizza They just don't want your pizza and the only Your pizza be the pizza people want is to like ask somebody like dude How do you can I maybe like get the starter for the dough?  And what is in your sauce?    Yeah, there's there's an aspect where people kind of went from Like trying to grow the best weed they possibly could Which never happened exclusively there was plenty, but you know, there's a lot of people that like, you know Now they just try to grow like decent commercial You know they're trying to grow decent commercial at scale and like and the decent commercial is rough, you know And so Like the name strain game part of the reason why like, you know The purple craze happened and then right after that the kush and the sour and and and cookie and all that Part of the reason why that exploded so much in our area Was because people wanted to just give the broker what they wanted Like if the broker was like all 58 of these look good, I'll take them all You know and then they look at this other guy's stuff and he's got some nice stuff and they end up taking 10 When he leaves the guy that had the variety looks at the dude that got cleared out and was like Can I get that from you? What is that? I want to get the thing that the dude is going to come and clear me out Whatever that is. I want it.  And basically like every big grower. I knew ran indoors of urkel And then when the purple craze ended and it went on to sour and kush and these other things Fast forward 10 years and there was like six dudes that held on to urkel When we both knew dozens and dozens of people everyone had it That was reg that was what if you had weed like probably urkel For a very type of weed, you know, there was Blue dragon and purple napal and grape ape and but it was like purple with the sweet fruit loopy You know that it's also that I should we should mention too It's also that kind of thing where like that craze was one of the first times where People wanted to give their own name to something whether it was different or not or whether it was just a slight variation or a bag seed of whatever There had to be gdp and and grape ape and purple urkel and purple dragon and you know and platinum purple And you know and it was like this thing where it was like people That was like the start of people wanting to differentiate their little thing Didn't matter because it's very different Yeah, because the name had worked you're like well Fuck people you say it's purple urkel like everybody Everybody wants it, you know the names were really working and it was the same like in la If you had some weed that was really good. You just call it such and such kush Or to combine the two when the purple craze ended people were like, oh people don't want this blackberry anymore I should call it blackberry kush Well, because the kush name was this is the this is the purple kush. This is the blackberry kush It's just like that kush you want but darker Blackberry kush is actually a strain not so different than blackberry And there was also a purple flow cut up here that finished in early september That was originally purple flow and this stuff must have been I don't know like five percent THC or something you couldn't get high off it. It smelled really nice and sweet It smelled really similar to what the blackberry clone was but it turned darker And it was done so early and fast and it got tons of these huge buds And everybody started calling that blackberry kush and online I've seen a lot of people Call that one blackberry and I'm like, no, that was the purple flow It was purple flow for like maybe a year or two And then all of a sudden everybody went it kind of smells like that blackberry clone And the blackberry wasn't very stony, but it wasn't as no stone as this fucking flow clone this flow clone Nothing it was like you could not high off the shit And and then after a while then that became the blackberry clone And I would ask people like so the one that didn't get you high at all this blackberry I'm like, when did it finish because the other one was like an early october It was still very fast and it would want to autoflower But this one we had thin leaves and it was very purple way more purple where the other one was very frosty and pretty Almost like a bubba, but with the little bigger features and it tasted really good It did get you that high but people didn't give a shit because you smoked something else to get stoned But it tasted so good and then the other one came in and it got really big for like two seasons here And everyone grew it and then all of a sudden everybody was like, you know what? I'm literally like not getting any fucking effects And there's an aspect that he mentioned it before but there's an aspect We should probably talk about when when the name game happened in the beginning of any of these name games that occur If it has the name and it's and it's similar or the right cut it just all goes Like if you know, it just went right and then as more and more people get it The quality has to be nicer And so sometimes people would have a hard time getting like purples to turn purple in the middle of summer because their rooms would be too hot And it wasn't like, you know people didn't have great like environmental controls back then or something like that And then you'd get some like green purple that was like harder to sell And so like that's kind of like what happens when like when a market starts to get saturated with a particular strain is like The best versions of it still go But it loses that like if it's it it goes Because like early on if you had kush or you had sour you had purple or whatever and you had it it went And then as more and more people got it quality became more important And you actually had to have like really nice version of it for it to go as easily Yeah, you know But you know, that's kind of like That's there's an aspect to it where it's You know, he's right in the sense where you know the name game happens and stuff gets stuff gets all mixed up But it really is Like, you know, if you've been around for a long time, you can see a lot of similarities in today's weed Mashed together that's really old weed You know, like we really actually haven't gone all that that far Away from things. I will agree with that. We've mashed it up in various different ways And we've added all kinds of different names, which is kind of obscures But we really haven't we really haven't like people think now weeds better than it's ever been And that's kind of probably just patting yourself on the back You know weed's been really good for a long time It just mattered whether or not you had access to really good weed more people have access now than before But I don't know that weeds any better than it is before You know, in fact, it might have been better 20 years ago on average You know, on average, I would probably have to agree Yeah now Yeah, you know, and then there's another thing too when it comes to names and stuff like that where it's like Obviously we're in like the the marketing era. Everything has to be candy or cake or or desserts or sugar or like evoke some kind of image But you know back then it was like, you know, he mentioned it before but like you could get some weed that like gave you like brow sweat And you'd call it the sweat I'm not even saying that's it.  Nobody name would name anything like there's a million names that would that would never work You know I mean the Mendo P that I found it, you know, I didn't know exactly what it was. So I just called it. It was purple from Mendo So it became Mendo purple And at one point I was talking to my buddy who showed me some weed that was really bomb and it was like it was kind of smelled to me like A mix between like what I call the legged perp smell and the and like the the purple urkel smell in a sense and my buddy Was like, yeah, I got this from this guy on bell springs. He's he's the guy who because at one point people were saying Oh Urkel is just a plant from the Mendo from the Mendo perps, right? And I'd never seen the perps and so My buddy showed me the buds and I was like, damn, this is bomb. It was some kind of bomb afghani It was super good. Shit.  It's like black afghani very very vague. Yep Whatever it would or like big bud Or you know what I mean?  Like like you just said snow bud like if you got snow bud from Eugene, it was the Eugene snow If you got it in the humble it was the humble snow If you got it somewhere else in the organ it was called organ snow and the humbled guys and the Eugene guys And the organ guys all thought that theirs was the first one and everyone else got theirs later Yeah, because it's where they saw it first Yeah And so I was talking to Caleb at one point and I told him about that guy and I asked him like about like the perps What is it and I just curious because he He seemed to have done a lot of work with all the different things and he goes dude The Mendo perps is totally different than the urkel It's not even in the same ballpark And there's no way that there's any truth to that and I was like, oh, okay And it's the same as like when one of the first times I really bullshitted with him a lot of the show I was like, yeah, I go when I was in Maui In the late 90s or the early right around 2000 somewhere in there There was this weed that my buddy lance used to always have that he called dog And he was always like this is the dog and I was always like Damn, this is some fire fucking weed And I wasn't really familiar with any of like the cam and the diesel and all that shit came later for me because I wasn't seeing a lot of clones And I was seeing more like I said that lineup of the humble clones those more like commercial ones that were around and shit and so I remember talking to Caleb and being like, yeah, I don't know like I might Because this is after I'd been reading shit online and stuff. I was like it might be the it might be the The original dog bud I'm not sure because these dudes were in Oregon and they were in Maui And they had it and then years later I was able to talk to my buddy Gabe from over there and he goes no I know the dude Who had that and he says that he found it in a bag of chem dog 91 And he found seed and he popped it and they call that the dog in Maui And that was right around that time period and I was like, all right Well, that makes sense But the names are so trippy because them just going oh, we got it out of chem dog We're going to call it dog Then you get that weed and then you hear the stories and you're like Well, so is it that and it's so easy to like think That that could be the real Lineage and then be like well no because this information disproves it But that's why it's good to keep track of all of it to go.   Yeah, and that's the same thing with this seed that was the that he was calling mendo perps And saying oh, I made the mendo perps.  It just was not mendo perps. It wasn't The same thing to this day.   I want to get my hands on that On that stuff and you know that at this point it's probably gone Like he's probably from now from from a long time ago. He probably like Uh purple went out the door that was in the purple craze. Yeah, and then We probably started growing diesel and didn't even keep the seeds, you know Because I mean it's I mean the the purple craze had What 15 or 18 year break between when it was hella popular before it got hella popular again Right, yeah 15 years something like that it went, you know, oh five oh six everybody I mean, I don't know. Yeah Cookies cookies brought back purple weed In 2011 teens Yeah, so it really only took a little break But as far as like urkel type purple even sweet purple like gelato It took between urkel and gelato to be back where people wanted sweet perps and not Doey perps or whatever not so missed a big era where there were a few of us like me and bodie And a few of us that were only doing purples So yeah, we didn't let it die, but it definitely died down I just mean in the sense what I was more speaking of in terms of like Like the market demanding it so much Not that it went down But like there was an era when we were talking about like in the mid 2000s where like purple like purple weed was the thing And everyone wanted purple weed and like purple weed never went away But like I would say the last couple years All of a sudden all my friends have been like, well, I guess purple weed is is is in again People say my weed now, you know, I I haven't heard I haven't heard. Oh, this is fire, but it's like not purple enough In a long time But that's what you used to hear about that summer grown urkel You'd be like great sir, but it like it didn't it didn't darken up on you You know like it didn't get because it was hot in summer, you know, so it stayed kind of greenish And they're like, oh, it's not quite purple and Darks that's green grapes. We don't want that. Yeah Yeah, the purple craze too is interesting because It was the weed that made people want it initially. It wasn't so much that it was purple Um, and it really popularized stuff being purple for a while, but it's trippy because like We in Mendo there was always a lot of purple weed all the way back because the purple in a lot of cases comes out of these old afghani types And so people had purple it wasn't that it wasn't a thing It was that there was no premium on it people were like some of them are green Some of them are purple some of them are 50 50 and it didn't really matter at all.  They're from between like here and and will it's but it was like the most purple um Like it was so saturated, you know, but that's like also how like big blue was which I saw as early as the As the mid 90s you roll a joint you lick the paper and it bleeds through and the whole paper turns purple where you lick it And um, and then even that way back before that like you asked me what's the first weed?  It just means that like It made its rounds and it wasn't just one or two families that had it it was actually something that was like, you know, it got around and uh So as far back as the 80s, there was already a clone That was around and that people were really liking that was like it was purple And it was kind of more of a red or purple as opposed to a blue or purple.  So there was two things there was like weed that just turned purple naturally in most conditions And that was like that was around and then there was a lot of weed That if you grew it outdoor and you let it run late and it went through some cold weather That it would turn purple, but it took some like in the 30s nights To make it pop and sometimes it's like being too like basically overdone and created and not really that good a weed at that point Like a real purple a real purple weed has to be like you could like grow it indoor And it'll be purple or you can grow it outdoor and cut it before it turns to shit and it'll be purple Like even urkel outside didn't like to get um purple as much Indoor it was easier to get it purple and outside It for whatever reason and i've seen this with a lot of things like hindu inside Would get a little bit purple, but outside it would never get a touch of purple right and then um It could i don't know if it's like the spectrum or what what it is because i know it's not just cold because indoor You usually have it more controlled But um, but urkel was one of those ones where It wasn't that great in the weather It it was very kind of hairy on the inside And it would like to start to get a little bit of mold outdoor If you were not in the greatest area and then you would have to cut your real big chunk And then when you left you would leave the small buds like he's saying and then they would turn really dark And it would be like your little buds that weren't that great even if some of them were little This that weren't trimmed very well, but it would be really dark And people would be like those are the ones we want that Yeah But people wanted color at that point and that that but that was like Time when color mattered was with urkel whereas before that it was like in purple, you know green is a bomb And then urkel made it like we want darks and that was that was a weird time Let's start moving in To to nowadays what you're working with up in mendo now currently gene like what you're seeing around the scene Nowadays as far as breeding goes what you're finding around nowadays that that you're enjoying breeding with First thing comes to mind there's some people there's some people who have cool things that are from back in the era we're talking about where they they used to have Cool stuff and then you talk to them and they're like they were actually like into plants and stuff So they've kept beans and so there's like cool little things here and there that kind of pop out Um, and I always try to like check them out just to see if because every once in a while something's really really dank Yeah But like for the most part I really try to focus on like digging through the stuff I have because I know that I haven't done a good job of really um exploring all the stuff that I make because I'll make a lot of stuff and then I'll I'll pop whatever looks really the the most attractive right away. Yeah, I'll I'll read her to do it for a while have a pile of one day Yeah, but your instincts aren't always Going to be correct. So like I'm always like I I do avoid trying to pick up too much stuff here and there So I try to kind of like take what I consider to be my ones that are really like the backbone of what I've done and then Do outcrosses with them here and there to make cool stuff But then keep really trying to like focus on them. So those ones are like like pinia grape soda skunk The jarro and root beer stuff, which are kind of almost the same um The lime stuff which is really my favorite and then I have like the various kush lines that I do um That are more like the og type stuff and then like the more little odd like the sky cub their kush or sky cub their double kush and um those ones are all ones that I try i'm trying to like Find what's really the best in them and take them those directions and then you know I put out a little bit of them for other people to do the same thing when they're a little looser So that it's not all left up completely to me saying this is where it should go because some people they like Everybody likes something different somebody wants this Somebody wants the straight og one and i'm like I like some influence from the og but og's a thing So i'm not really making anything if I make this og so I like have it where I did one not so saw a little bit of the og work that I was doing when he was up last time It's like very it's very kind of targeted there and it's kind of reached that point where it's good The high I like a little bit better Um than og just but some people maybe wouldn't because they want the more real Intensity, but it's a little bit more Clear I'd say But uh, yeah, I mean I just i'm always trying to like figure out really Narrow it down, but those ones that I named are like the ones that go back The most and that have been the most well received and that I've explored the most But what's fucked up is that like in those same years when I made all this different stuff There's all these other things that I didn't ever even try Yeah, and And for a long time and and not so knows how it is here like You could make a lot of seeds and if you weren't on the internet like who's ever going to want to grow All the seeds.   He was on the internet and I wish I would have known he didn't ever talk to me about it I remember him He knew about forums.  He's like, what do you want to be on the internet for like that'd be he probably thought I'd think he was sketchy for being on the internet with weed like probably Say like and there's my weed Where like you live up here and I would say that probably like people have Uh people have a lot of misconceptions about what it's like to actually live up here You know our bubble is is is really weird in that regard and that you can be really insulated and like everyone You know my everyone that you hang out with for the most part might grow weed But that doesn't mean that like You're tied into the larger community like I you know, I kind of call it when I got on ig You know, I did the forum thing a long time ago, but then I had a break And I kind of felt like I crawled out from under my rock Because we I was just living that like Mendo life You know or came out of the closet came out However you want to put it however you want to put it, you know, but you know, even with with him with seeds It's the same thing with me with you know People ask me about my collection of of clones and I've tended to try to keep things that I like But it's a total bitch because you know, he's talking about trying to get friends to to grow his seeds Me getting friends to back up my strains that aren't currently popular Fuck it's so hard You know, I mean even when times were easier four or five years ago People wanted to have a mothers of the things they were currently blooming for for flower They didn't want to back up a bunch of stuff You know, and then it would got get popular again and people would be like, hey, do you still have that? Man that thing that you had was super amazing Could I get it? And so I end up like having people back up stuff for me But I try to like stuff it with people that actually love the two or three or four cuts that go their direction Because I'm like, oh if they love it, they'll hold on to it, you know And I think there's an aspect now And I don't exactly know how it's going to change, but I would say like maybe five or six years ago before the the Maybe when would you say when would you say gene that the It started getting blown out bad about five years ago, huh before even the legalization started there was like a year or two, but For seeds at least there was a thing where like emerald cup and some of these different things as you guys both know There was a bunch of growers with extra money in their pocket It would come to these things and they would want to get some fresh seeds and a lot of outdoor growers Wanted to grow from seed because there was this idea that seeds got bigger than clones and so on and so forth You know and we had more bigger or whatever and so people were a little bit more willing to experiment But now it almost like there needs to be like some kind of change in the regulations or laws because Like the nurseries just want to grow what's popular And then they want to sell popular clones to People that have you know the ability to grow flower and those guys want to grow what's popular because they can't even sell Direct to the public nor can they sell direct to a dispensary. They have to convince a distro to buy it And then that distro You know has to um, you know has to come back and uh and decide to sell that to like a shop Where the days where Where you know gene could have a friend go into into a shop in the bay and say I've got some I've got a couple duffel bags of some fireweed. Are you interested?   They're all a little bit different You know, um Like I have a lot of things they're always in the the low 20 thc or they're always in the mid 20 thc So it's like you can do them, but it doesn't really like It's still it's still hard to translate to the market if it's not and then that's why like over the last However many years.  It reminded me of neat old stuff, you know And um, so then like over the years I've tried to do like I did like the stuff with the gelato and all that Just because you look at how it is and people are like, oh those were really cool But do you have anything that's like the stuff that people are talking about do you have?  That's a new flavor where when I go to do it I can have Something where people are going to go. Okay.  No, I'm just gonna How could pull go gold everybody? I'm like no, they're not gonna want it.  It was kind of like a weed swap me You could crack open people's jars There'd be some like furry dudes with from some place some random spot up north and they had a A bunch of big jars this big of all kinds of weed and you could crack and you could smell it You could check it out And so the way that they have it now where it's like you can't see most weed in a store and you can't smell most Weed in a store they really like it they don't really have like a method for people to bring new things You know and like it there has to be something more than just like a couple people being able to hype something Right and and drive hype, you know, because there's a lot of good weed out there He was talking about it a minute ago But almost all my favorite weed and what I mean by favorite weed in terms of like the weed that gets me the highest It's almost all between 18 and 25 In thc You know and so Most of this 30 club. I find to be very bland and boring weed So there's something lost there When it gets above a certain quotient, you know or people are breeding for numbers because people 20 years ago or longer people bred by like if you're breeding high the high is an invisible trait Right, it's invisible like you just don't know so Like a lot of times people things would get famous because they worked You know not always like he was talking about the flow like it barely it tasted great and it looked cool But it barely got you high, but like a lot of weed got popular because it worked You know and now it's kind of about the name and the look and the thc percentage and the numbers and not really much about like How does it work? And so I think there's a lot of unique highs and a lot of different aspects probably in Various people's stuff and you're like well, how do I get it to the public? You know, how do I you know, um, how do I get the how do I get the public to shine on me? For a minute and want everything that I have and so You know and then nurseries nurseries just want to sell as many clones as they can do as many legal farms as they can So they're picking the 10 or 15 most popular cuts that they think they can sell the most of And that's what's on their menu this spring right now You can go and you can look at all these nurseries and these nurseries have decided What do I think I can sell the most of this year?    Um I don't know it's unfortunate, but it's like it's just I don't it's how it's how everything is is laid out and I think part of it has to do like with what you're saying It would be nice if you could go okay Uh, like there's a system of okay, everybody can get free samples everybody can look at a jar Everybody can feel it everybody can roll it up and see what they like But what happens is it's like somebody goes in they go I mean It's in a bag. It's a sealed I mean, what's the number this one has the big number. I can't see anything else and then now people too say like Oh, look at the terpene test.      You know what I mean? I just had like little gardens. So they're big plants, but very you know taken care of and and and you know keeping track of what I think a lot of people who had really big plants and who had a ton of them. It's like Harvest is October 4th.   There is no back side.   And so you start developing these methods based on like the rules Blue dream blue dream, you know Blue dream and you know, oh, I'm gonna grow green crack and that's kind of where green crack or blue dream or berry white Get bad names because people are like, oh, I can get this clone That'll give me this much weed on a reliable basis and I can put 25 of them in my garden and that's my season Right and now there's too much B grade blue dream and people are like blue dream sucks They're like, no, there's just a lot of commercial B grade blue dream on the market.    Some people don't like chem d terps. Some people don't like GMO terps like some some shit's different.  It's probably 99% of the time.  Why are you wearing? Some people are like, damn that smells so good, you know, it's just There's a lot of it a lot of it comes down to to to preference, you know Like some people don't look really powerful weed.  I have the um the uh, I have a little bit of stuff at alpine seed group.com um Speak easy Speak easy.com has some stuff sometimes uh, l lf Has some stuff sometimes Um, and that's basically the only people who I know who have anything really um here and there But um, what are you working on right now? What are you stoked about like right this second that you have?  I can't wait for people to see this Well, maybe maybe we should ask him this it's spring. What have you planted bro?  It's that time Right, you're popping seeds All right, so this is this is gotta I this gotta be my last thing that I talk about because I I thought I figured the vibe was gonna I figured lives are about an hour, but we've managed to push into the Yeah, it's all right Like this it's it's a disaster in there and I'm in trouble but uh um, basically, uh Uh I have right now going a bunch of things that are like Promising that either I have like people are testing out for me And I want to like get a get a hands-on idea of like, okay How do they smoke so that I can line up what their feedback is with what I really think? Yeah Or there are things that I think might be super intersex prone And I just want to see a little bit of them to see like or are these things Is it just are they is it intersects everywhere in there? Um, so they don't even plant more of them So if I think that they might be real problematic or I already know That they're the shit, but I want to have an idea of what a few of them look like I have like 18 little starts going of those types, right, which isn't very many But it's enough to either Or To Confirm what's already been done with other numbers elsewhere or even maybe that I have seen a little bit of stuff And then the other ones I have a tray of 36 each So that I can really see What does You know, what does it look like when you have basically three packs worth of seeds and then if It's a home run on that and I'm like, holy shit every plant is great in this I can figure that statistically we're looking at something that's pretty good And if I look through those and there's nothing good If there's not anything good in three packs of seeds, then I'm like I have other shit that I can focus on So it's basically right now a big test run where I have about 50 things going I have sensei star cross sensei star cross jarro I have um a bunch of cookie lines animal west f4s, which are gorgeous. They're like little dinosaurs a little rhinoceros looking plants um I have some of my og lines like not so not so saw kind of the same stuff, but trying some of them more myself Um, I have a bunch of lime crosses. I made with the f5 lime males a pair of males that I really liked out of a bunch of plants Um, I have cherry west cross lime two different lines of that I have What else do I have so there's like chem d lime um A few other cool things that I got uh, like some cool cuts that I got from skunk tech that are bomb That I hit with that lime I have what else do I have? um Try and place exactly as if I kind of go walk myself down the rows. It's like sensei star back cross I'm being paged um Uh Going down the line. Yeah all the cookie stuff the cherry west. I know there's other stuff that I'm not saying there's some different kush crosses um Like yes, uh, og og jarro um pk cross skycut their double kush um I don't know a whole bunch of different stuff, but there are all that kind of stuff I'll do a post in a while that has like stuff up and uh And maybe a list of what all those different things are but anyway, it's like 1250 plants basically 50 to 18 of some 36 of the other um and and You know like I said that was my logic was like all right there's some that If I think maybe they're really problematic like animal cookies back cross to Try 18 or they all hermit. They're not all herm.  All right.   I got to go Uh burn some beef and um, thanks for having me on and uh, thank you See he's out. So all right us So yeah, I mean, I hope everybody liked that. We're gonna try to uh, we're gonna try to bring on um, a series of friends, uh over the next couple of months here and there And do this a little bit more often Um, and you know, not only that, but it's like we tried to get a little bit of the infomercial about what he's got going on Uh, but a lot of podcasts and stuff are kind of all about that and we're trying to get a little bit more like history and and And you know, it's just asking different questions and people ask so we didn't do a lot of like uh, Reading comments or anything like that. I tried to ignore them for the most part So I apologize. I saw people ask a bunch of stuff and it just didn't Didn't really vibe with the kind of the way we were flowing with the convo to answer most of it you know, but um Anyway, I mean, uh, you know, we're gonna we're gonna bring this kind of stuff back Um, you know before everyone's gone be sure to check out speakeasy seed bank. Uh, they've got some of our gear and gene's gear Um, check out breeder syndicate.com.   So yeah, we will have them and we'll have we'll have some perp's talk and stuff like that And it's actually interesting. I didn't get a chance to bring it up when uh, when gene was chatting But uh, kaleb, uh, csi also has some stories of his dad getting early nl Uh, like gene's mom got you know, and so You know nl definitely was one of those things that kind of hit our region right around that late 80s time Um, and so there's some stories and some stuff floating around of probably like the very early nl from europe days Yeah, that'd be really cool All right. Well, thank you everyone for coming to showing up. This will be available as a podcast shortly Um, so yeah, if you if it's not up for you to watch on instagram We take them down we put them up for patreon first and then as a podcast So hopefully if you if you only caught some of it you can go back listen to it as a podcast soon And we're gonna try to we're gonna twom all one more thing We're gonna try to do this every friday night around seven We're gonna try to get a little bit better about getting early warning about what we have planned for the week We've kind of been doing it a day or two before we're gonna try to get a little bit more organized and let people know Let people know what to expect, you know, so thank you all for giving us your friday night and listening for long And uh, we'll see you soon peace


Welcome, traders, to another TickMill Earnings Season Preview with me, Patrick Munnerly, before we jump into today's report. As always, I want to adhere to that risk disclaimer. Most pertinent to today's presentation is the fact that the views and opinions expressed by me today are solely mine. They're not indicative or representative of those held by TickMill in the UK or TickMill Europe Limited. Okay, let's jump into today's report and we are checking in with Amazon. Amazon are set to announce earnings after the close of trade in New York today. We are looking for an EPS of 1.938 on revenue estimates of 121.415 billion. Analysts expect Apple to post its first year-over-year revenue decline since 2019. Difficult macroeconomic climate is pressuring sales of iPhones and other Apple devices, plus Apple suffered supply constraints from COVID-related production slowdowns and its main iPhone factory plant in China last year. Apple gave a rare warning to investors that's month explaining that production issues would result in lower shipments than previously anticipated. It was a data point that caused many analysts watching the stock to trim back their earnings estimates. Concerns are high from investors as consumer spending pulls back across various product segments, including smartphones. Weaker consumer spending is likely to drive Apple's sales and earnings estimates lower for the rest of this fiscal year. While markets don't expect the resumption of detailed guidance typical of Apple earnings prior to COVID, expect the commentary to be cautious regarding product demand across the board. Smartphone markets saw an 18% decline in shipments in the fourth quarter of last year, according to data from IDC, the worst decline ever recorded by that market research firm. The PC market fell 28% in the fourth quarter, according to the company, but many investors believe that Apple is outperforming its competitors, even in a contracting market environment. Let's jump in and take a look at some of the statistical trading patterns we've witnessed around Apple earnings. Apple shares have moved lower in the immediate aftermath of earnings. 7 out of 12 previous reports, on average, the stock has moved down 1.1% on the after the first day of reporting earnings. Based on the previous 12 earnings releases, Apple is more likely to trade lower one day after earnings for an average loss of 0.1%. However, on average, the stock has moved higher by 1.1% one week after earnings. Let's take a look at where the analysts forecasts are. So of the 41 analysts giving a view on Apple over the past three months, the majority have Apple as a buy to strong buy. In terms of the share price forecast over the next 12 months, to the downside, looking at a minimum exposure there of $118 to the upside, looking at $200, with the average coming in at $168.48. From a flow and sentiment perspective, the options market is pricing in a 4.7% move on the earnings release. The options market has overestimated Apple's earnings move by 67% given the last 12 quarters of data. It has been notable buying 5,391 contracts of the $144 call expiring on Friday. And options order flow sentiment in general has been bullish. However, investor expectations has only 43% of investors expecting an earnings beat. Okay, let's pull up the Apple chart and see if we can identify any near-term trading opportunities or trading patterns. So from a technical perspective, after putting in the low into the beginning of this year, $124, we've seen a nice rise in the stock up to trade just shy or just over that $144 calls. That's in the money at the moment, $145.56 at the close of trade yesterday. So I've been looking for any move through $148.50. $148.34 represents a potential three-way corrected move, but the structure looks bullish and impulsive to me at the moment. So I'm looking for a move through $148.50 initially targeting $152.82 and then onto range resistance at $157.26. From there, I can see the potential for a pullback before setting up a test for that upside target. The analyst forecast looking for $168. We have the weekly descending trend channel coming in there, $169. So I do see the potential that we test that level certainly as we hold support back into any move into the mid-130s. However, if we take out the range resistance and we get an upside surprise with Apple, then I would just maintain longs and I would trail stops using the trend channel as an invalidation point for my position. At this stage, it would really take a close back through $133. That pivot there to suggest a more meaningful bearish development and a retest of those prior cycle lows into the $124. As always, trade does plan the trade, trade the plan, and most importantly, manage your risk. Until next time, thanks very much.


Hi, my name is Beljika and I'm an actress based out of California.  So I wanted to give you a bunch of different ways that you can do research and see if it's going to be worth it for you to take a meeting with them or, you know, approach them for representation. So the main resource where I go, it is paid. If you are an actor and you have some credits, you definitely want to have an IMDbPRO account. But that's mainly where I am doing my research. Of course, I'm going to give you some other ways that are free. But that one is the industry standard. It's where casting directors go.  Definitely suggest IMDbPRO. It's not sponsored. This isn't, you know, obviously it's not a commercial for them. Most importantly, it gives you a lot of information to be able to contact them and further research them. So what I like to do is go to a show that I really like, and then I can click on the different actors that were in that show. And then when you go to their page, again on the paid IMDbPRO, you will be able to see the representation. You can now click on the representation and see all of the contact info and see who else they also represent. You can also look on social media and see who other actors are represented by. So if you have friends that are actors or if you follow different agencies, they usually tag their actors. So you can very easily contact those actors if they're your friends or if they're if they're not your friends and see what their experience is like with that specific agency or that representative. And it's really easy to be able to get, you know, information from the source. So for me, for example, I'm represented by MDT in San Francisco right now. You could DM me and ask me about my experience with them. But I also have a channel and I can tell you right now because you're watching this. I have liked my time with MDT. San Francisco is a smaller market, so I don't get as many additions as I would like to. But that's why I'm seeking representation in other places as well so I can get more auditions. There are a lot of agencies that are SAG franchised. So SAG-AFTRA is an actors union in the U.S. And if there's different unions around the world for actors, you should definitely research those in case those are, you know, it's the case for you if you're in a different country and see if there's any kind of agency that's franchised by an actors union. So that's another way SAG-AFTRA does have a list of SAG franchised agencies as well if you want to go and see if there's, you know, a union that's like, yes, this is a good agency to go to. Depending on your state or your country, you can also look up if this particular agency is registered through the state. So in California, you do have to be a registered talent agent in order to be a talent agent. So you can look them up on the government website. And the last way is a few different ways. These are workshops, casting director workshops or acting classes, showcases, that sort of thing. You can meet other actors in those events and they're doing them online, of course, right now. But you can meet other actors and see who they're represented by the location and then do more research on that agency, see how they would like to be submitted to if it's online or, you know, if they want you to send an email or submit through their website or send them a postcard or whatever it is. So you can do further research, but at least you met an actor who is with them and I would suggest to ask somebody who has been with an agency for at least six months because, you know, it can vary. At the beginning, you might not get any auditions, but then maybe in six months or later, you start, it starts picking up momentum because the agents start to get to know you and know how to market you better.  But then it dwindles down. You really want to know how the agency works. The general experience of every person, but the experience of every person does vary. So try and get as many different perspectives as you can. Always follow your instincts. Of course, if you don't like the way somebody's treating you or the way the meeting is going, whatever, if you're not comfortable with something, then don't do it. Don't sign with them. And of course, if you already have a friend who's represented by somebody, talk to them about it, see what their experience is like.  It's going to waste their time. And you should definitely do a lot of research before you sign with anybody. My experience in California is that you should not pay agents. I know there are some agents that will pay you a fee or take advantage of younger people by putting Disney text on one of their casting calls or their showcases or something. Remember that Disney is not affiliated with any other type of casting people. Sometimes people are like, hey, we're affiliated with Disney. No, they're not Disney. No, Disney usually has one big open casting call at the end of the year. Other than that, they go through agents, but it's a little complicated. Essentially, if you sign with an agent, they shouldn't force you to get new headshots through the people specifically that they want or get training specifically through the people that they want. Sure, they can advise you on this is a really good acting teacher or these are really good headshots, but they shouldn't force you to do anything, spend money.  But I don't think you should pay some kind of subscription fee for an agent. Don't pay for it. Do your research. Don't sign with, you know, the very first, especially if you're a kid, don't sign with just the first one that accepts you. Make sure you're doing research. I did actually end up signing in San Francisco with the first agency that accepted me, but that was because I already knew a lot of people that were also signed by them that had worked that I had worked with in the San Francisco Bay area, but just make sure you do tons and tons of research. I have a lot of videos on agents. So if you would like to watch those, I'll put a playlist right here and at the end of every video, I feature another channel. This is today's feature. If you would like to be featured on my next video, make sure you're subscribed, like this video and leave me a comment.


33 miles, 47 miles, 56 miles, 69 miles, 83 miles. It's never easy, but stopping isn't an option. Distance, 100 miles. From Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco. It's theCUBE. Covering IBM Chief Data Officer Strategy Summit, Spring 2017. Brought to you by IBM. Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE along with Peter Burris from Wikibon. We are in Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco with IBM Chief Data Officer. Strategy Summit, Spring 2017. Coming to the end of a busy day, running out of steam, blah, blah, blah. I need more water. But Joe's going to take us home. We're joined by Joe Selly. He is the Global Operations Analytics Solution Lead for IBM. Joe, welcome. Thank you. Thank you very much. You've been in sessions all day. I'm just curious to get kind of your general impressions of the event and any surprises or kind of validations that are coming out of these sessions. General impressions is everybody is thrilled to be here. And the participants, the speakers, the audience members all know that they're at the cusp of a moment in business history of great change. And that is as we graduate from regular analytics which are more descriptive and dashboarding into the world of cognitive, which is taking the capabilities to a whole other level. Many levels actually advance from the basic things. And you're in a really interesting position because IBM has accepted the charter of basically consuming your own champagne, drinking your own champagne, whatever expression you want to use.  If we were in Germany, we would talk about beer, but we'll stick with the champagne analogy. But really trying to build, not only to build and demonstrate the values that you're trying to sell to your customers within IBM, but then actually documenting it and delivering it basically, it's called the blueprint in October. We've already been told it's coming in October. What a great opportunity. Part of that is the fact that Ginny Rometti, our CEO, had her start in IBM in the consulting part of IBM, GBS, Global Business Services. She was all about consulting to clients and creating big change in other organizations. Then she went through a series of job roles and now she's CEO and she's driving two things. One is the internal transformation of IBM, which is where I am. Part of my role is, I should say, reporting to the chief data officer and the chief analytics officer. And their jobs are to accelerate the transformation of big blue into the cognitive era. And Ginny also talks about showcasing what we're doing internally for the rest of the world and the rest of the economy to see because parts of this other companies can do, they can emulate our roadmap, the blueprints rather, sorry, that Interpol introduced is going to be presented in the fall. That's our own blueprint for how we've been transforming ourselves. So some part of that blueprint is going to be valid and relevant for other companies. So you have a dual reporting relationship, you said. The chief data officer, which is this group, but also the chief analytics officer. What's the difference between the chief data officer, the chief data analytics officer and how does that combination drive your mission? Well, the difference really is the chief data officer is in charge of making some very long-term investments, including short-term investments, but let me talk about the long-term investment. Anything around an enterprise data lake would be considered a long-term investment. This is where you're creating an environment where users can go in, these would be internal to IBM or whatever client company we're talking about, where they can use some themes around self-service, get at this information, create analysis, everything's available to them. They can grab external data, they can grab internal data, they can absorb Twitter feeds, they can look at weather company information. In our case, we get that because we're partnered with the weather company. That's the long-term vision of the chief data officer is to create a data lake environment that serves to democratize all of this for users within a company, within IBM. The chief analytics officer has the responsibility to deliver projects that are sort of the leading projects that prove out the value of analytics. So on that side of my dual relationship, we're forming projects that can deliver a result literally in a 10 or 12-week time period or a half a year, not a year and a half, but short-term and we're sprinting to the finish, we're delivering something. It's quite minimally scaled. The first project is always a minimally project. It's using as few data sources as we can and still getting a notable result. So the chief analytics officer is at the vanguard of helping the business think about use cases, going after those use cases, asking problems the right way, finding data with effectiveness as well as efficiency and leading the charge. And then the chief data officer is helping to accrete that experience and institutionalize it in the technology that practices the people, et cetera. So the business builds the capability over time. Yeah, scalable. It's sort of an issue of it can scale. Once Interpol and the chief data officer come to the equation, we're going to scale this thing massively. So high volume, high speed, that's all coming from a data lake. And the early wins and the medium term wins maybe would be more in the realm of the chief analytics officer. So on your first summary a second ago, you're right in that the chief analytics office is going around and the team that I'm working with is doing this to each functional group of IBM, HR, legal, supply chain, finance, you name it, and we're engaging in cognitive discovery sessions with them. What is your roadmap? You're doing some dashboarding now, you're doing some first generation analytics or something, but what is your roadmap for getting cognitive? So we're helping to burst the boundaries of what their roadmap is, really build it out into something that was bigger than they had been conceiving of it. Adding the cognitive projects and then program managing this giant portfolio so that we're making some progress and milestones that we can report to various stakeholders like Ginny Rometti or Jim Cavanaugh who are driving this from a senior, senior executive standpoint. We need to be able to tell them in one case every couple of weeks what have you gotten done, terrible cadence by the way, it's too fast. But we have to get there every couple of weeks we've got to deliver another few nuggets. But in many respects analytics becomes a capability and data becomes the asset. Yes, that's true. Analytics has assets as well though because we have models and we have techniques and we bake the models into a business process to make it real so that people actually use it. It just doesn't sit over there as this really nifty science experiment. Right, right. But where are we on the journey? I think it's real still early, early days, right? Because we hear all the time about learning and deep learning and AI and VR and AI and all this stuff. Every organization is patchy, even IBM. What I'm learning from being here, so this is end of day one, I'm getting a little more perspective on the fact that we at IBM are actually, because we've been investing in this heavily for a number of years, I came through the ranks in supply chain, we've been investing in these capabilities for six or seven years, but we were some of the early adopters within IBM. But I would say that maybe 10% of the people at this conference are sort of in the category of I'm running fast and I'm doing things, so that's 10%. Then there's maybe another 30% that are jogging or fast walking and then there's the rest of them, so maybe 50% if my mouth is right. It's been a long day. Are kind of looking and saying I got to get that going at some point. And I have two or three initiatives, but I'm really looking forward to scaling it at some point. So I've just painted a picture to you of the fact that the industry in general is just starting this whole journey and the big potential is still in front of us. And then on the champagne, so you've got the cognitive, you've got the brute, and then you've got the Watson. And there's a lot from the outside looking in at IBM. There's a lot of messaging about Watson and a lot of messaging about cognitive. How do the two mesh and how do they mesh within some of the projects that you're working on? Or how should people think of it? People should know that Watson is a brand and there are many specific technologies under the Watson brand. So, and think of it more as capabilities instead of technologies. Things like being able to absorb unstructured information. So you've heard, if you've been to any conferences, whether they're analytics or data, any company, any industry, 80% of your data is unstructured and invisible. And you're probably working with 20% of your data on an active basis. So do you want to go to the 80% and shrink it? That's true. Yeah, because the volumes are grown. You're pulling in size, but shrinking as a percentage. So, just think about that. So is the Watson really the kind of the packaging of cognitive for a specific application? Yeah, Watson is a mechanism and a tool to achieve the outcome of cognitive business. That's a good way to think of it. And Watson capabilities that I was just about to get to are things like reading, if you will. Watson Health reads oncology articles. And once one of them has been read it's never forgotten. And by the way, you can read 200 a week and you can create the smartest doctor that there is on oncology. So a Watson capability is absorbing information, reading. It's in an automated fashion improving its abilities. So these are concepts around deep learning and machine learning. So the algorithms are either self-correcting or people are providing feedback to correct them. So there's two forms of learning in there. But these are kind of capabilities all around Watson. I mean, there's so many more optical character recognition right. Retrieven ranks are giving me a strategy and telling me there's an 85% chance, Joe, that your best move right now given all these factors is to do X. And then I can say well, X wouldn't work because of this other this other constraint which maybe the system didn't know about. Then the system will come, okay, well in that case you should consider Y and it's still an 81% chance of success versus the first one which was at 85. So retrieving and ranking these are capabilities that we call Watson. And we try to work those into all the job roles. So again, whether you're in HR legal, intellectual property management environmental compliance, regulations around the globe are changing all the time. Trade compliance and if you violate some of these rules and regs then you're prohibited from doing business in a certain geography, it's devastating. Mistakes are really high. So these are the kind of tools we want. So I'm just curious from your perspective you've got a corporate edict behind you at the highest level and your customers, your internal customers have that same edict to go execute quickly. So given that you're not in that kind of slow moving or walking or observing half what are the biggest challenges that you have to and even given the fact that you've got the highest level most senior edict behind you as well as your internal customers. Yeah, well guess what? It comes down to data often a lot of times it comes to data. We can put together an example of a solution that is a minimally viable solution which might have only three or four or five different pieces of data and that's pretty neat and we can deliver a good result but if we want to scale and Eddie sees and cares about our shareholder then we have to scale, then we need a lot of data. So then we come back to Interpol and the chief data officer role. So the constraint is one of the programs and projects is if you want to get beyond the initial proof of concept you need to access and be able to manipulate the big data and then you need to train these cognitive systems. This is the other area that's taking a lot of time and I think we're going to have some technology innovation here but you have to train a cognitive system.   They provide input, yes, no they rank the efficacy of the recommendations coming out of the system and the system improves but it takes months. That's even a starting problem. That's a starting problem and then you trade it over an extended period of time. Well it gets better over time. You use this thing like a corpus of information is built and then you can mine the corpus. But a lot of people seem to believe and suddenly boom, you've got this new way of doing things and it is a very, very deep set of relationships between people who are being given recommendations, as you said waiting them, voting them, voting on them, etc. This is a highly interactive process. Yeah it is. If you're expecting lightning fast results you're really talking about a more deterministic kind of solution. If then, if this is then that's the answer. We're talking about systems that understand and they reason and they tap you on the shoulder with a recommendation and tell you there's an 85% chance this is what you should do and you can talk back to the system like my story a minute ago and you can say well it makes sense but or great, thanks very much Watson. I'm going to go ahead and do it. Those systems that are expert systems that have expertise just woven through them. You cannot just turn those on but as I was saying one of the things we talked about in some of the panels today was there's new techniques around training there's new techniques around working with these corp corpuses of information actually I'm not sure what the plural plural of corpus corpy. It's not corpy. Yeah somebody looked that up. More corpus? It's not corpy corpa anyway. So anyway I want to give you the last word, Joe. For you been doing this for a while what advice would you give to someone kind of in your role at another company who's trying to be the catalyst to get these things moving what kind of tips and tricks would you share having gone through it and been working on this for a while. Sure. I would, the first thing I would do is in your first moves keep the projects tightly defined and small with a minimum of input and keep, contain your risk and your risk of failure and make sure that if you do three projects at least one of them is going to be a hands down winner and then once you have a winner for your organization and then a lot of folks get so enamored with the technology that they start talking more about the technology than the business impact and what you should be touting and bragging about is not the fact that I was able to simultaneously read 5000 procurement contracts with this tool. You should be saying we used to take us three weeks in a conference room with a team of one dozen lawyers and now we can do that whole thing in one week with six lawyers. That's what you should talk about. Not the technology piece of it. Great. Well thank you very much for sharing and glad to hear the conversation going so well. Thank you and it's the answer to the question. All right, thanks Peter. Joe, Peter and Jeff, you're watching The Cube. We'll be right back from the IBM Chief Data Officer Strategy Summit. Thanks for watching.


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