If I say... Fosse one. Fosse, Fosse, Ju- Fosse, Fosse, Ju- Uganda, Uganda. Welcome to our stupidest ex, the eighth-time Corbin. I'm Rick. Nika Paul's Instagram. Twitter. Juicy content. It's so juicy. My content's so juicy that my juice has juiced. I think we're supposed to have a patron on our official Twitter account. Do support us, because we're not wearing athletic supporters. Today we're reacting to a teaser and a trailer in the second. Ooh! Ooh! I'm excited. So this is from... Wait a minute, wait a minute. It's a teaser and a trailer and the same thing? No, we're gonna react to that. How can you do that? Teaser and then we're gonna react to the trailer. We're doing both at the same time? Yes! The mind blown. Redo this one. Heineherz. Trailer of movie. Thiram, Azigaram, Undru. I recommend you to watch both teaser and trailer back to back. Okay. Okay. So bear with us. No. Put your back. They recommend you watch it back to back.  Knee slapping funny. It's a real story about Dekoyti. What is that? I don't know. Happening in state of Tamil Nadu from 1995 to 2005. What is... Okay. I've never heard that word before, Dekoyti. I think it's a person. Really? I don't know. It sounds like an event. Almost like... It's possible. So we'll find out. Okay. Hopefully. Because we have two. Obviously we're doing the teaser first. No, we're gonna do the trailer and then we'll do the teaser. I'm kidding. Yes.  Weenus. Here we go. New team or pre-team? I can't find any clue about the Philippines. Do you know how many stations and records have been recorded in jail? Do you know how many hands we have? Hand's gonna pop up. A little trailer. I mean, teaser. I thought it was gonna be a hand that was gonna pop up. So somebody got buried alive maybe? Wanna do some predictions? No. I don't think it was buried alive. I think he was hiding. Yeah. He doesn't have to. Alright, here we go. Let's get into the trailer here. Yeah. I think someone tried to blow him up and didn't get away with it and now he's pissed. It's beautiful. Looks like a Star Wars shot. I'm gonna catch one. Whoa! Why don't you give the public a chance, sir? These are great shots, man. Good. That made me interested. It reminds me of who... Here I'm looking it up. And I'm assuming that it's an event that happened that, of course, we don't know, but I'm assuming everyone knew about. And so... Right, what does that mean? It has to do with the police. I'll look it up, but... Is it something... Corruption with... I'm looking... That's what reminded me of George Miller. Who? The directing style of the trailer and the use of music and some of the visuals. You mentioned Mad Max. It did. It reminded me of George Miller's directing style. Yeah. Very much. It's really ridiculously pretty. Everything in it was really pretty. But the score behind it as well and the teaser and this were both really, really good. Yep. And it got me interested in the film. It looks like it's an epic and based on a true story as well. How did people actually bury themselves? I just wanted to know how they breathed. Breathed? Breathed, breathed? Breathed? Yeah, breathed. How they breathed. Yeah, breathed. It doesn't sound like a word to me when I say it. Well, you wouldn't even do the ED. How did they... I wonder how they... Yeah, I wonder how they breathed. It just doesn't seem like... Sorry. How did you breathe? How did they breathe? I breathed a lot. I wonder how they breathed. Ferrim, a police officer, tries to decode a series of cold blood events based on the same pattern while not breathing. Directed by H... Vinov. Vinov. It's starring, as it said, multiple times. Karthi. Who is a big star. Producers. No, I don't think it's... I don't think it's our Prabhu. No, okay. No. I'm checking to see if there's anybody else that we actually knew in it. Yeah. Hold on, I'm going to look up what that thing is. Dacoity. Dacoity. Banditry. It's a term used for banditry in the Indian subcontinent. The spelling is anglicized. It's a version of a Hindustani word. And as a colloquial Indian-English word with this meaning, it appears in the glossary of colloquial and Anglo-Indian words and phrases. An act of armed robbery committed by a gang in India or Myanmar, which is Burma. Gotcha. Oh, go. I'd never heard that term before. So apparently, there was big time armed robbery and banditry going on from that period of time. And this is what it's about. And I guess it was covered up by the law enforcement or they were part of it. They might have been part of it. There was literal cover up. They were covered in sand. That's cool. I just don't know how they... I wonder how they breathed. I wonder how they breathed. That isn't that... No, that's true. Present tense. No, how do you breathe under there? How did they breathe? I wonder how they breathed. I wonder how they breathed. She's great. I don't think breathed is a word. Yeah, past tense. I think I'm correct. Breathe is not a word. B-R-E-T-E-T. Sorry that this became about the word breathed. Breathed is a word. It's not a word. Having breath... Yes. I don't think it's a word. It is a... Breathed! Oh, really? Everything on the internet's a real breath? This isn't just the internet, my friend. It's Wikipedia. This is the dictionary. Miriam Webster... Miriam... Miriam Webster's dictionary. Breathed. Having breath, especially of a specified kind, usually used in combination, like sweet breathed. Breathed. Okay. It's breathed. Anyways, this looked really, really good. I'm sorry I became about the word breathed. Or the lack thereof word breathed. Put your breathed. This looks really good. I'd be actually really interested in watching. 100%. It looked really pretty. The sound was awesome. The action looked epic. So you can let us know if this is one that's worth a watch. Yep. And how... What did it say the language it was in? I thought it said that it was both Hindi and Tamil. Oh yeah, it did. Yeah? So they filmed it... Did they do it in two languages? Yeah, that's what he said. It was just what was happening in the state of Tamil. Okay, so am I guessing it's Tamil? I would guess it is. But it could be... If it's in the state of Tamil... I wasn't paying close... If it's in the state of... The state is called Tamil Nadu. Yeah, but that doesn't mean it didn't make Hindi-speaking films about stuff going on in Tamil Nadu. I think it's a Tamil film. It could totally be wrong. You can let us know.


Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle issue, boy. E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Maker, what's going on? Man, man, oh love, man, what's going on with you? None, you know I'm here.  Yes, you did. Say, man, I'm sorry. I wanna apologize right now there. Hey, man, we got this boy, man, in here. Don't need no introduction, man.  I just say thank you, man. That boy, Calamor White, is in the building. Yo, yo, yo, what's going on? What's going on, where?  When I seen you the first time, I said, this is just Bobby Valentino, nigga. I said, this is nigga Bobby Valentino. I told my wife, get the picture. Put them beside each other, nigga. That's him right there. I either get him or Silk the Shocker. Silk the Shocker. I put an interview in that nigga New Orleans a couple of weeks when I'm down now. And then get to do it. But that's how it's coming, man. I'm family with them boys over there. So how you doing, man? Man, I'm blessed, man. We out here working. Out here making, working this Texas circuit right now.  No, I'm originally from Florida. You from Florida? I've been living in Dallas for the past 10 years from 2012. Oh, that's why. The 22. Nigga, you were down here when we were really getting it in here. I was down. When I first moved out here, Beemers was popping. I was in Beemers every Friday and Saturday. If somebody got killed over there, then they quit. Yo, y'all remember that? Yeah, yeah, it went down. It was the part where it was still Beemers. It was Beemers at the time. When somebody got killed. See, I was going out with that nigga, Pookie Leroy, used to pull up in a big school with the paint that he did. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was down here with money. Mike and Pookie was going down through that. I was pretty bored out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, them niggas got that. Pookie Leroy had made it up. Yeah, them niggas got to. Them niggas got to ask them more. Then they got to be, yeah. Yeah, Pookie Leroy had made it that one-nil system part. Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that boy went down through that. Shout out. I mean, like I said, that nigga close to me. I put a Pookie Leroy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wanted them guys that from East Texas to Dallas. You know, he really, he definitely got a, you know, family and stuff, and it pretty much links us together because of that. He real dope, man. So, what's going on?  He said in Florida. Where part of Florida are you from? St. Petersburg, Florida.  Fort Laudale, I think about Fort Laudale. Yeah, yeah, but I'm from St. Pete. We're the fourth largest city in Florida. I be having to put that out there. Never heard of that. You know, right away? Yeah. He from St. Pete. We from the same city. We can write the boxer. Yeah. St. Pete, nigga, what you talking about? Hey, nigga, you live.  You got me. So, which city you're at? You're at Florida or you're at Dallas? Dallas? Dallas? I real, can you in Dallas, nigga? I real, I real, I real, Florida, the state. You serious? But I also, Dallas left my second home. Oh yeah. This is where my comedy career started out here. How old were you when you moved here? I was 24. 24, also you grown when you moved here. Why did you move? I got out of prison. What? I did, yeah, I did. Four years in prison in Florida. That's to be real on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, the day I got released, man, I went from my prison cell to the Greyhound station straight to Texas, and I ain't look back. So, when I moved out here, I got out.   You got to get in prison talk. I wanna hear how they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sitting in the cell, wanna be out looking nigga. But what happened while you even got in trouble in the first place?  You a dope boy. Robbing niggas and... Robbing niggas.  Big wheels turning. Violating probation. Damn. So how you end up in that? Okay, so were you raised with a mom and dad? Did you have like good influence around you? I was the only child. And what so? I'm glad you asked that because me, I was the first near my cousin, Joe. I was the first near my family that ever go to prison. Like I grew up in the church. My grandma was a pastor. My uncle was a choir director. My grandma, she's a pastor. I got another uncle. He's a minister. You know, I saw him in the choir. Everybody was so mad at you when that happened.  Like I said, I grew up my only child. But so I was spoiled.  Rebellious. Nobody told him that. My dad, he was in the service. Like what so crazy? I feel like I'm living with my dad like cause I got a kid in Florida. You feel me? But I'm in Texas. But when I was growing up, I was in Florida and my dad was living in Texas. Oh wow. Listen to me ask you this.  A lot of them, you have some. You have some. That's why I'm trying to figure out, you know, the reasons why people get in trouble and do all of that is because of the environment. It really like, you ever heard the term, I'm trying to get a percentage nigga, y'all. About 80%. 80%. The people that's been in trouble. But you know what though? I think it's a little high. No, no, no, that's been on our platform. No, but the funny thing is like, when I came here from Jamaica, it seemed like a lot of people make it seem normal to go to jail. I'm not saying prison, but normal to go to jail is like everybody that I've ever met has been to jail one time. I'm like, how can you make that be normal? It's usually because of some traffic ticket or something like that, but I'm like, how can you make that normal? Like, yeah, I've been to jail. Because the term, I'm gonna tell you that term, product of my environment, that's like a real true term.  I was supposed to go to jail in prison.  You've even like, that's why I'm doing it, listening to the evening, especially. But is it over though? Like, you don't have to climb no more. Yeah, I ain't, yeah. Well, let's talk about it. It's your mindset though. Yeah, but I wanna talk about it.  Who, Rick Ross. No, he from Florida, but ain't everybody listening to this nigga. Plyes. That's what made you get hyped about it. Boy, when he was here last night. Plyes, yeah. In Texas. In Dallas. In Dallas. Plyes influenced a lot of niggas, boy, to go to jail in prison. Well, he had a song called, I should have one. The Hammond niggas and stuff. He's trying to help you niggas. When I was turning myself in, I was going to jail, turning myself in, listening to that nigga, and crack a game out of him. Bam out of him niggas for a year. You feel the same. Listen to that. Damn, I'm finna be next. You know that song? No. No? No. But ain't hold on, I'ma tell you how the truth. I think it's an excuse though. I really honestly thinking it's an excuse. Listen, I'ma tell you the truth. I'ma tell you the truth. Listen, listen. Because you have people who've been raised in terrible environment, don't have no money, whatever, and still come out, don't end up selling drugs, don't end up doing this, and end up coming out good. So why is it that, yes, it's a few. Why you had to miss it. You know, it's a few. It's a few, but why is it any percentage at all compared to, you know, the masses? So it is a possibility. Then you also gotta think about like we being attacked. Like when I had got locked up, when I went into prison, like my initial violation of trial was possession of cocaine, and the police officer, he pulled out a little baggy, and I was out of dope. So I know I ain't having no cocaine. I was going to re-up.  So like we still being attacked. So you didn't have no fingerprints on it? Let it be real for a second. No, I swear to God, I ain't having no fingerprints. I don't even, I wasn't even selling coke. I was selling crack. Coke on your thing. Yeah, I was selling crack. And it had some real, that was his personal stuff. That was his personal stuff. That was his personal stuff. Right, right. I'm gonna be reading back a residue. And I'm like, bro, I don't even sell coke. I sell crack. Like I don't even. You told him that? Huh? You told him that. I didn't say that, but that's what I was thinking. In your mind, like damn. And then my cousin was like, this was the funny part about that story that they all were getting arrested. Your cousin in the car? Nah, my cousin, they were pulling up. My cousin, they all, they all like to go steal.  So they pull up, they like seven deep in one car. So my cousin, like she pull up, she was like, let me get this car. Let me get this car. So I'm like, yeah, cause get my car, get my car. Then when the police took me like, pulled out with me, I was like, damn, I shouldn't have gave my cousin my car. That she took the car. All them hoes in the ghetto, I was like. What happened? What was the next episode? They went and stole. Then your car got you out of the back door. Nah, they still had my car. It was a 96-month-old. That's the part of the game. That's your family, money. That's how we get that. No, cause in my head, I'm thinking like, I'm looking at her. I'm like, bro, she don't want my car cause she trying to help me.  Still though, I already know how I'm telling you that. That's your cousin, man. So, but long story short, I learned my lesson when I went to prison. I was in and out of jail like three, four times. But I'm just wanting to go back. It just took one time for prison. But you was robbing and you robbed. Selling drugs. When you robbed, what did you do? I want to hear details on it. You don't rob no more. Nah, when I was robbing, I was just sticking up old white people. That's who you were getting.   So my, yeah, so my home, but I was like, damn, what the fuck? This need getting all this money from. He hating on you.     For how long? For about like two, three months. For how long? I thought he was gonna say some years. Nah, I was not. When they caught you, how'd they catch you? It was a school thing. Like, nigga just want to go to school with some money and fresh and be able to not want to go. Like we got lost.  How did that happen?  So when we growing that bitch, like we do our thing as we trying to get out, we basically just got lost.   And by the time we get out, we going down the road, the police coming the other way. So we like, okay, boom. So then like we look back, they hit the lights and they hit a U-turn. So they yoke behind us. We pull into the stove. My homeboy jump out. My other homeboy jump out. My other homeboy, he jump out the back.  Nigga cannot get out. Nigga cannot get out. Can't catch a break. Boy, I cannot wait. They found one of my homeboys in the trash can. Yeah, of course. That's what they get him at. My god brother, peanut god bless it did. He got away. He got killed like, I got out May 12th, 2006. He got killed May 31st, 2006. Wow. Yeah. Then another nigga, Sharad. He actually got caught. He got locked up with me and he got probation, just like I got probation. Okay. So you get into prison.  Don't try to act hard. Yeah, yeah. Prison, I was scared. Yeah, you were scared. Nigga, you got on the yard. First day you get in there, you walk in and how do they, what's the process in Florida? When you walk in, what do they do? In Florida, everybody go to OCI. Is it a bus that drop y'all out? Yeah, that's in Orlando. Okay, let's talk about it. You know, when you first go to prison, like when I got my time in jail, I was happy cause you know, niggas be seeing they counted jail, don't know when they finna get out. People be happy to go to prison. That's everywhere. That's all of them. So when I got my time, like I was happy here. I'm like, yeah, I got four years. I know when I'm going on. Yeah. I'm ready to go to prison. Did you do the whole four? I did the whole four on purpose. I'ma tell you why. Okay, let's rock. But I want to know about that first day when you got down there, when you go to burn nigga snuff.  That nigga.  That's the reception center. That's like where everybody go before they send you to your main camp. Okay. So when I get there, I'm 20. So now they, but so I'm considered a youth offender. Oh yeah. So it's like, I go to the prison where it's 16 year old and 20, 20 year old, when you turn 21, you go to the like adult camp. You see? But you really like an OG.   And growing up, I remember, growing up, I remember my cousin, he used to be in and out the wild camps. And every time he come home, niggas always just want to slap box and just fight niggas all the time. You feel me? So when I'm at OCI, this this camp called Brevard, they were like, boy, you don't want to go to Brevard, but that's a glad he had a camp. Boy, like, you don't want to go there. At Ferguson in Texas, but keep going. And nigga, they sent me there. I'm talking about niggas. Well, that made you nervous. Well, yeah, niggas scared to look. Knock one of these niggas out, you know? All the new M.A., we on the bug.   So I'm like, I don't want to go to Brevard. So when we get to Brevard, you know, the first three days, everything cool, you feel me?  You feel me? Like, yeah, they give it a bad rep.  So boom, nigga, I'm coming back.   So you feel me? Like, nigga, don't came by.   And that's like, it's called T.O.H. Test the heart.    Or if you feel to go to the head, nigga, like ask them, like, man, like, what's up? Like, who took my shit?  Test the heart, test the heart. Yeah, that T.O.H. You can be cold as hell if you don't test the heart, nigga, runnin'. Like my first two weeks, I was fighting. Now, what'd you do when they took your sheets, nigga?  You went out there?   Because the pound was ran by ZMF, them Zomafia niggas. Zomafia came. I'm talking about them niggas.  Thank you, yeah, nigga.  She said I have no sheets.          You can't just say it like that.  Like, neutral?  But after that, like, they give you your respect.  Is it any gang banging going on or is it? Well, it ain't none, but gang banging.  Nah, I stayed a neutral, cause my homeboy, that was part of Zoo Mafia family.  Like, it's, it's American. You niggas ain't Haitian. You, all you niggas America, then they got black Latin King. You niggas ain't Spanish. Like, how you a Latin King?    Okay, what's next? Oh, after that, it was just number smoke. It was just number smoking, gambling, eating and sleeping. Like my time went, like when I turned 21, I had went to the, I got transferred to the adult camp.  Two lights in the back. Yeah, niggas who's done been in this business. I was two types. Yeah, you've been so now I'm on the adult camp. Like with the real light, but on the adult camp, it's way more laid back than the wild camp.   You've been there. What was the craziest thing? I'm telling you why they fighting in prison. What was the craziest thing that you've seen when you was a nigga? I niggas were fighting. I niggas with titties way like here.  I'm talking about big titties niggas. They had a boyfriend nigga. Niggas be getting married on the red yard.  Niggas be melting jolly wrenches for lip gloss. Yeah, I know. Niggas be shaving off their eyebrows, getting permanent tattoo pen eyebrows.  They be right there just cheering them on. So you went, you was in it and you was in it, you had no other way out. What was the craziest thing you seen somebody get into it over? A punk. That was the craziest thing. Yeah, I'm like, y'all are really fighting over these niggas.  Bro, like it's just the fact like niggas watching.  Like niggas just actually died in prison over punks.   They used to say like the punks used to take care of the niggas in prison. Like, yeah, the punks like spend all this money to take care of the niggas.  Like throw niggas in there, taking care of the boys. Damn. So tricking on them. That's crazy, ain't it? Boy, it's a whole different world in prison. Who'da thought that they'd be in there? I'm talking about the niggas. The Jalleranches and Kulosh doing it.    Like, this is the way it's gonna be, totally different. I remember I used to watch that movie, and what movie that is. Locked Up. The movie Stacey from the Woods when he got, I used to buy, that's what I used to think prison was like. You feel me? Then when I went to prison, I'm like, it ain't nothing like that. This really, prison is really like the project. If you ever lived in a project, that's what prison like. Yeah, yeah. You have to find out. Prison, just like the project. Exactly right. So let's come out of prison right now. So when you left, you say you went on a Greyhound bus, came straight to Texas.  No, my dad actually was living in Florida.  But every week this nigga had the excuse of why I had to leave. Just like, trying to kick me out. You be like, nope.  Used to have women coming over and it was a one bedroom. And you how old are you at this time? I was 18, 19 at the time. You get me? So this before I left. So who was in Texas? That was before prison.  You feel me? Yeah. But so why Texas? Why you came out of Texas? Who did you come to? My mom, my mom was living in Texas. You feel me?  So my 11th and 12th grade year, I had moved back to St. Pete. And then that's when the trouble had started. So 2010, I had got a lot. I went to prison from 2008 to 2012. So in 2010, my mom had moved to Texas. So she was like, you know, when you get out, just move here and I'll help you get on your feet. That's why I left my prison from the, I went from the prison cells to the greenhouse, I just straight to Texas and I ain't a little bad. So I got out without like over 400 songs. I was rapping. I wanted to be a rapper. I know you had wanted to be a rapper because I seen that song. I don't know if it does not work or not.   But then you came out and is that when the rapping started first or then, or the comedy started? Yeah, the rap, I got out like over 400 songs. I was rapping. And what did you do? You just went and started?  I had dropped like Alice. Yeah, I had dropped like three mixtapes. I got like videos on Vivo. Like you didn't get that feature from Pukulira.  That's He didn't pursue it. I was really, look, I got real good quality videos on YouTube still, like a Vivo channel.  But nothing popped off. Well, yep. Well, Mammy started what got me into comedy cause I always wanted to sign with T.I. Like that's my favorite rap. I seen that on the interview you said that you see the nigga about 30 times on the wall right there. Yeah, but he tipping me. Now, let's talk about, Yeah, you with my kids right there. Let's talk about T.I. for a second. Because did you ever meet T.I.? Man, I'm finna show you how, I'm finna tell you how everything come forth. So you know T.I. doing comedy right now. Correct. He doing comedy. But when you started, he wasn't doing comedy at that time. Exactly. So, more listen. And when my backpack is, you'll get my backpack out of the car. I got the CD in there. I got to show y'all the case. Yeah, let's talk about the cause.  He comes in, he's a very professional dude. But even from the time I known him, cause I knew him by a coupe, by the clothing that we see him. So that's the only thing that it was me and this nigga together. And, but I always had a mad respect. And I was a little mad at him about the flip thing.  Now I'm a Texas hard head. So, but as I watched his journey, I started to say this nigga bad, like lyrically this is a bad dude, man. And then business wise, I seen the moves as a dude from the south to come from where he came from. I started looking at the growth potential. And then he got locked up. So I felt sympathy too. I'm like, damn, my nigga gone again. You know? Because he came home and we flew to, we flew to the takers premiere when he was there. I was in LA. I went to LA and we, matter of fact, my wife and Tiny up there at the top on that picture. And I was like, damn, you know what I'm saying? Like, damn, we here with the boy.  What was his name? Paul Walker. And all them boys was together. And I was like, man, it's going to be great for tip cause he just coming home. You know what I'm saying? And that nigga got arrested again right after that. And then the movie, in the movie, it portrayed him like as he was just getting out. Yeah. It was dope. And so when you look at what, where he came from and then being in that journey with him and meeting him all those times that we met, I always enjoyed his, his whole movie, man. And then, then what really helped it was people like Lisa, Ralph, Mike, Mark, Jerry, all of the people at RP55 group and the Jida guy, Jason Jida, whatever. Jason Jida. Yeah. All those people that was around him, I was linked with those people. So it didn't matter what he done, the group of people in that family at RP55 and the clothes that we was selling made me respect. And even Kenyatta, like they made me, I had to move with the movement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then they were posting me on the coup page. I wasn't popular at the time. They made a nigga feel like he was somebody dealing with him. So yeah, I always rock with T.I., man. I always rock with his entrepreneurial spirit. So let me hear the story on how come, how T.I. ditched you. Oh, I heard a little bit about, let me know what happened on that. The backpack is here. Let's talk about T.I. for a minute. He technically ditched me. Did he ditch you? He just inspired me to. He just inspired me to.  He just inspired me to. He's a cool cat, man. He make you laugh because of his, boy, he showed enough pride for when he come down to his family and not trying to play by his name, boy.   That nigga can rap about a nigga, boy. Yeah. I'm afraid to tell you, so listen. So it was 2000, it was 2016. 2016. Yeah. I was rocking with him back then. Yeah, he was coming to Onyx for his birthday in October. Was that 2016, babe? No. When he came to Onyx for his birthday, like I never forget I was outside waiting on this nigga about two and a half, three hours. Trader Truth was out there. He the one told me that he was gonna come. He was gonna like plug me in with him when he pulled up. So when he pulled up, you know, he pulled up in the black truck. He had a driver, somebody was in the front. It was a girl in the back. And then, you know, he was in the, he was sitting behind a passenger seat. So he was like, all right, there you go. Trader Truth was like, there you go right there. You know, I'm finna let you holler at him and stuff like that. So he walked me over there to the car. He walked me over there to the window. So my is his birthday.     And then I gave him my CD. The nigga looked at the CD, he chucked him to him and said, he was like, you sure you want me to listen to this?  So then he put the CD down in the gift. He put it down in the seat. You feel me?  I was like, I'm gonna give him two months. Like he don't call me in two months. I know what it is, but I know he gonna call me.  And then the CD I did, it was his Urban Legend cover. Never seen the CD. But I just redid the cover. So this is why he chucked it. This the CD I gave him. In this car, best name since till. And T.I. behind? That's my face, nigga. No, in the back here?  So you basically, you look it up for me. I'm from nigga, I'm from nigga.  He got a hope of seed job. Cause when you see his cover, when you see the Urban Legend cover. I seen the Urban Legend cover. I done seen it, I remember it.  I'm like, yeah, yeah.    Oh, and put it on. Oh, wow. Yeah. You went in the distance. I remember the cover. Let me see. You, you recreated the whole thing. Yeah, I recreated, recreated the nigga whole thing. That's how it was. Yeah, that's how it was.  It had a taken by storm, bro. I was talking at the interview tip and asked him and get you out on the phone and say, man, I still like, it was so crazy.  And we, I'm finna get to that.  I feels to tell this nigga, I get to talk to this nigga one day.  Just coming in and working on this shit, you feel me? Let's talk about it. He don't remember it. He don't remember it. I ain't never told him, I ain't never told him this story. I ain't never told him he the reason I'm doing comedy. No, nigga, I'm finna put this whole up, nigga. Y'all do it. Gonna take a picture. You got two of these and this is the only one. That's my only one. Yeah, nigga, let me take a picture of this. This here is a Laris.  I thought that was the way in, too. But you didn't go at the, I liked the idea. I love the idea. I loved the idea, bruh. I ain't feel like that. That dope.  I love a hustle. Yeah, if I show this nigga hummets, he'll sign me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.    Yeah, you gon' see this nigga. Hey, I'ma tag that nigga. You ain't gotta worry about no more boss talk. I ain't finished the story part. No, no, I'm gonna be melding, nigga. I'm finna put it up, nigga. Yeah, y'all want it. You don't want it bad as my nigga want it. Me and Callum are coming through this. Oh, he ain't playing. Y'all niggas play too much. Nah, I was really out there. So let's go, what's the story? So, yeah, I give him the CD, like I said, he put it in backseat or whatnot. So like I said, on the whole time, I'm just thinking like, boy, when he get after this party, when this nigga get back in this car, I already, I just planted in my head, I'm like, he gon' look at the CD, he gon' give it to his driver, and he gon' tell the driver to play, and they gon' ride and listen to it to the hotel, and then this nigga gon' call me and like want to sign me. So I was like, I'ma give it, I'ma give it two months, 60 days. Man, niggas by nine months went by. I'm talking about, I'm depressed.  You got me fucked.   But before I went to the open mic, I was telling niggas at my job, I'm like, bro, I'm finna start doing comedy. Cause I always been a funny nigga. You feel me? Like people always told me I was funny, but I just didn't ever like know how to do comedy. And I remember watching stand up comedy, but I just didn't get it. So I was calling around different comedy clubs. They see like, who will allow you to be yourself? Cause I used to hear like, yes, some comedy club, they don't allow you to say nigga. Some don't even want you cursing. So I had to like call around different comedy clubs. Who will let me be myself?  So I went to the Arlington Improv. I went up there like two weeks just to check it out.   And all the comments, they get four minutes.  And I seen how many people wasn't getting no laughs. I was like, bro, I can do it.  Like, they ain't getting no laughs. You feel me? So the next week I went back, it was October 17, 2017. You remember exactly that. Yeah. My first time ever performing. And like I've been performing ever since.   Yeah. Cause it was like, he depressed you that much. I ain't want to, I ain't want to sign with nobody else but T.I. cause that was my favorite. He's still my favorite rapper. He's still your favorite rapper. I didn't want to sign with nobody, but hustle gang and grand hustle. So when he, when he signed with me. He ain't gonna get it. He gonna find a different career. Then I told myself, I told myself, I ain't want to be one of them niggas who's still trying to rap while they old.  And if it don't work, I'm just fine something and just so happening. Five years was up in 2017 and I started comedy. Damn. Boy, y'all tell you that's a good story, man. Like I said, I'll be seeing T. I see T.I. all the time in a lot of, like, he's still don't know, he don't know that you that guy. I never told him. I'm gonna tell him though. No, he don't know after this. I can promise you. I'm gonna tell him. That's crazy. But what's so crazy, like, I'm big T.I. fan. A big T.I. fan and like the doors that I was wanting to open up for rap, it's like all them doors opening up like in the comedy game. I don't think I would have ever been. What song did that that you song on your on your on that CD that sound like something like T.I. would have dropped? Switch it up. I got a song in the car. For years. He had he smashed a girl. You've been wanting for years. So the role, the role, not the role. I'm sorry to say the role of what's that do name? Man, I said the role because I was thinking but the dude that was on the the nigga that performed the other night when the artist that we be with him all the time. Transly. No, the one that he's on the OB. No, not the artist. Yeah, the one be with T.I. all the time. Drogue. Young Drogue. Drogue. That's more of my favorite rappers too. Drogue. Drogue. Drogue. Drogue. Drogue changed his life. Drogue hustle hard though. Drogue was with T.I. And he, I'm thinking of the time when you was trying to get on with him. Drogue, Drogue wasn't really in the picture. He wasn't in the picture then. Who was in the picture then? Somebody was in the picture. There was no new niggas. That's why I felt so confident. I was like, bro, I know I'm from the sound with hustle niggas. I'm looking at his roster and I'm like, bro, these niggas ain't hard. What was the guy that passed away? Dobie. Dobie was hard. Dobie. That nigga was hard. Dobie was hard. But that day during that time? Dobie was Grand Hustle. Yeah.  And that's what I was trying to be on because I was looking at it right.  And she a girl. You've both been on that thing. That's what I'm saying. And that depressed my boy. That's why we back now, nigga. But it's like it did not sign me. Pushed me straight into comedy. And you got, and so comedy is a thing where, okay, I had a phase on love on here. And one of my most viewed interviews, people think it's the Charleston right, but it's not no more. It's Michael Anthony. Michael Anthony from Florida. But is he from Florida too? Michael Anthony. No, he was from, he from where, he from where what's the name from? Yeah. He from where LeBron Jane from. But he. Acre. Yeah, Acre. But he with, he's with country Wayne. He's a tall ball hitter guy. He go with Roe on there. He the, he been on here. And that's my most viewed. And I'm saying this for a reason. That's my most viewed episode. But the reason he was on here was because phase on love has spoke on country Wayne. One of the reasons he spoke on, that's what made that go so viral. But it was because the, the comedians like y'all, you guys are doing skits. You guys are doing all type of stuff. And, and, but, but phase on was saying, y'all that don't make, that really don't make no money.  My friends are on the fourth list and this thing blew up. And I wanted to get your take on the fact of like, the transitional phase of comedy then and comedy now. Now Columbus Sharp was on the side of phase on where he said, and I didn't even put that out. Yeah, I didn't even put that out. He was like, yeah, they get residuals and they got moved. They got, they got a big bag for that. So where, how do you look at it? And when you look at the country Wayne, when country Wayne, Mike, come on, he said country Wayne making $407,000 a month off of skits. And just, just the fact, you got an internet present. Other people won't want to book you like. So let me know where you stand on it. How you feel about, are you trying to get into the new wave or the old wave? I'll tell you, listen, when I first started comedy, I was like strictly stand up, you hear me? And I was against, because I ain't had, when I came in the gang, I ain't had no guidance. You was against kids. I ain't had no guidance. So I was listening to the old school niggas. So I was- Who were the old niggas was you listening to? I ain't gonna say no name, but they older comedians out here. But you don't want to put them out there? No, no, no. But they weren't, they were sticking to their whole game too, and they weren't trying to move. And they ain't nowhere right now. So listen- But they weren't trying to move into this new lane.   These niggas ain't, these niggas taking the easy way out. And they ain't really out here in the trenches, here in the clubs and all.   So like when I first came in the gang, I was young, new. So I was on flyers, back to back every week, I was on the show. But then once I started becoming a threat, like niggas started taking me off their shoulders or whatnot. Then I just became one of them old Facebook meme niggas.  So I'm like, damn boy, I gotta figure out what I'm gonna do.   When I made that video, that was my first time ever going viral. How many did that do? That bit did, like, I want to say like over at least, all the people combined who shared it, I want to say like over 30 million. Wow. Cause Snoop Dogg shared that bit, made it on the breakfast club. Congratulations. Like that bit with everywhere. You've been, this is my first time ever going viral. So it was like, damn, like, I can get used to this nigga.  Then I started, that's when I taught myself how to do skit.  They'll make a video. Then they had like a voice over the video. I always want to know how to do that. So then when I got the iPhone, it came like, you know, with our movie. And then I was like just playing on it.  I was like, oh, this is how they've been doing it. Then my first skit, it was about like me saying grace and God interviewing and like, he don't, like it was a voice from God.  Like, nigga, you ain't been praying to me. Now you get a little money to get some food.   And that had kind of took off. So then my whole mind frame change. I'm like, bro, the internet is where is that?  Nigga, nigga, the internet where is that? Cause I know like once you build a presence on the internet, that's when like the comedy club started calling. Cause it'd be a lot of, I don't perform with a lot of internet niggas like who blew up off the internet. And then they get them calls from the club. And then when I go perform with them, they gotta be on stage for like 45 to then an hour.  They ain't got nothing cause they come from the internet. Yeah. You feel me? But that's why I be telling people I got the advantage cause I started off at stand up. Then I transitioned to the internet.  Let me tell you something. I've been doing stand up, it ain't nothing. I went to see Bubba Dub man and Bubba Dub, he started off on the internet.  That nigga was nigga, that nigga was going in. That nigga 40 years and they loved it. And he did this, he did this for about an hour. So didn't he do that for a long time? For 30 minutes, 40 minutes. So he did his whole set. He had brought show love to all the people that was with him on his set. That was the first show like that that was ever sold out. Yeah, but that was the first one where he headlined it, I guess. I don't know, but I do know he went hard that time. And then he be booked all the time though. He booked everywhere. But it was just his show that he, I felt proud of him in that moment, man. And though, so I understand it can go both ways.  You got nothing to worry about.     How did you feel when Will came up there and slapped Chris Rock like that, being that you be on that stage like that? Only thing I took away from it, I just hated that Chris Rock showed up with nothing but face. You know, he didn't have no mustache, no beer, no.  No goatee, no, nothing. Like he was just ready for the drama like. So you think it was staged? Nah, I'm just bullshitting. The slap, man. Was it staged? I don't know, cause I don't slap the nigga. I don't slap the comedian before. All the stage like that?  But it just like, I'm gonna give it from like a real person perspective. Like ain't no coming back from that.  Like nigga, what'd that make you? The softest nigga that ever laugh. So like, it just don't make sense to me. And it was like, once you get slapped, bro.  Like we just look at you. Don't you think he already had done already? That's what I'm saying. Like you've been left the black community. So it's like, that's why I don't, that's why I think like nobody really confronted Will. Cause it's like, I didn't really want one of them. The Oscars, dude. They say you can't come back for 10 years.  Like coming back to the Oscars for 10 years.   I get it.    What about, I gotta ask you top three comedians of all time, right? Top three. I got a top five. No, I don't do top five on here. Top three. Top three, I'm gonna go with Mike. Mike Epps. Mike Epps, Lil Dubaugh, and Adam Sandler. Wow, Adam Sandler. He's not getting there, no Will Farrell? No. Top five, Jamie Foxx. No, I don't wanna hear about that top five stuff, but I wanna talk about these top three though. I wanna talk about these top three. Why Mike Epps? Mike Epps was the first stand up I ever seen.  And we were watching that stand up when he had on a baby blue shirt and he did a Montel, who the talk show was? Montel Jordan and Montel Williams. Which one was the talk? Montel Williams. And he did that Montel Williams impression and it just had my auntie dying laughing.  And then it was just a wrap and that. All about the men's of my favorite movie.  Me too. I love Mike Epps. Love Mike Epps, man. Then Lil Duvall. I met this little nigga. Let me just say that. Yeah, I always see Clay, his manager in the project. But you know what I met him right? Through T.I. Yeah, damn right. They been running, they came up together. That's the first time I ever seen Lil Duvall was in Vegas at the, I believe we was at the Seasons Palace. I got a picture of that nigga. He had dreads. Yeah, they had dreads. They came up together. That's why it's no surprise that T.I. wanna do comedy now.  I know that. And when I think about, when I met him, I think it was the old nine, 2009. And him and Lil Duvall was together. I remember when I told Lil Duvall, cause I seen Lil Duvall on comic view. And as a comic viewer, he was on BET. Just a little though. He wasn't, he didn't have a lot of buzz. But me and him, I said, man, let me take a picture with you. When I took a picture with that nigga, he said, T.I.,  That's how long ago it was that me and him took that picture. But yeah, I been Lil Duvall, he my top three. Cause I been following Lil Duvall since 2000 when I moved to Jacksonville. You know, Jacksonville, Duvall is just Duvall County. Yeah, yeah. That's why he called it said Duvall. It's the county for Duvall. I mean, it's the county for Jacksonville. So when I moved to Jacksonville, sixth grade to 10th grade, that was like 2000. This nigga had dropped the skip.  It was called Rolling Power, That Boy Funny.  I don't know first cause you got Richard Pryor, they was doing it too.   This DVD called That Boy Funny. There were a number of skits on that bit. So ever since then, I've been following little Duvall since like 2000, that's why he my top two.  Like how you got your homeboy and all your movies. Like every movie Adam Sandler do, you gonna always see them niggas from Waterboy. That's what you remember them from.  Like he put all his homeboy and all his movies. He the LeBron James actor. And that nigga stand up funny. Like you go on Netflix and watch Adam Sandler stand up, but that nigga funny. Going in. And I judge niggas by they stand up like that.   All you gotta do is just like, you know what, I don't like that and do it. Do it over. But on the stage nigga, it's just one take. You vivid. That's it. So that's why I judge people like, like if I, if I said nigga funny, it's because I seen it stand up and he made me laugh.   What made you write it? Like, like, and what was the process? And what was you thinking, were you thinking to go viral with that? I wasn't, when I, I had an Android phone, you feel me? This was around the time when niggas stopped taking me out of their show. I had to figure out what I wanted to do. So the girl I was messing with at the time, she bought me an iPhone. It was an iPhone 6. Matter of fact, it was the phone. I showed it, matter of fact, this phone right here. This the phone. I still got this whole, you feel me? Cause I'm talking about work, them being put on this phone. So. No, it's a souvenir you, you're remembering the girl. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. So I seen that when I got the phone, I seen it came with an app called Garage Man. And you know Garage Man, that's a music app where you make beats, you record bass, you make songs on that beat, you feel me?   I'm finna make some beats.     And then I'm gonna put a video with it. So the first video I did, it was about like, how women break up with men.  So I dropped that video. And my, when I dropped the video, I had deactivated all my social media, you feel me? And I was like, I don't wanna get back on social media till I got 48 song. And the reason why I chose 48 song is because when I get back on social media, I wanna be able to post one a week for a year straight. You feel me?  So boom, like I say, I get back and no warning, no nothing. Like, hey y'all I'm back. Like, when you feel me? Like it was just straight Prada. So it's drawing and gauge. When I post the video, it's drawing and gauge, man. Like people liking it, people coming. But I never got caught in the hype cause I was always thinking about, but like, yeah, y'all think y'all like this nigga wait the next week. I got a whole year for y'all that wait the next week. So long story short, the third week of, I was making all these songs at work. You feel me? Cause I worked Monday through Thursday. I worked the third shift. That's crazy. I worked the third shift from 10 p.m. to 8 a.m. Monday through Thursday. So I'm making these songs at work. So I'm at work. I'm making the beat.  So I'm making the beat.  I'm making music like you did.  So now I'm just like, now I'm like, okay.  And like, I'm on, I'm actually on the fourth live. That's why that part come up a ride up and down you goddamn house. Like that's what I'm doing. I'm just making the beat, just riding up and down. I'm just stealing company time like a mother. So when I record that shit, so when I record it, I'm playing it bad and I'm riding around the warehouse just listening to it.  I'm coming back to work tomorrow with my pillow, blanket, all the problem. I'm just shooting a video on it, beating it up in the post this whole. So nigga, did you ever get fired because of it? They fired me. They fired me, but it was because of that, but it wasn't because of that. They fired me because I wasn't showing no remorse. Like I'm in the HR office. I'm bragging on the video. That'll go on. So they found out about the video? Yes, like it went viral. How did that?  Like I have, I recorded the video, I'm like, oh, this whole kind of funny. Like I'm in the post this whole today. So when I posted it, I just posted it for my friends to see. So my mom, she was the first one to come and she was like, son, take this down. You know, somebody might be praying on you down for it.   This is gonna go viral. I didn't feel it going. So now I got a devil and an angel on me. So I'm like, what's one I want to do?   How long did it take for your job to find out about it? It took them like three days and I knew it. Dang, that quick? Yeah, and I knew it. Cause like I say, I worked from 10 p.m. to 8 a.m. and we had a six to two 30 shift. So when the six o'clock shift get in, like they air, they just looking at, they just looking, shaking their head like, boy, you wild, boy, I don't know what they talking about. So then when eight o'clock comes, like I'm about to get off at eight, you feel me? But that's when like, cause we had so many shifts. So when eight o'clock come, like right before eight, I guess eight chart, they made it eight business to come in early today. Like, yeah, I hear on the speaker phone, count them all white to the human resource office, please. Count them all white. You knew what it was then? But I knew what it was. So they were like, yeah, about this video. So I pulled it out. I'm like, damn, y'all see the views people said. That was going in. I'm bragging on the video. I'm like, bro, people saying this is national anthem. Like what y'all ain't seen?  But you didn't show the company's name or nothing like that, right? I had the shirt on. But you really can't see it. Cause we can wear what we want to wear. But I just so happen to have a company shirt on that day. And what did she say? She said, well, we're not gonna. That was like, we're gonna give you a call. We'll let you know, like what we decide. They didn't tell you to take it down? It'll keep you or not. So when they gave me a call, they were like, yeah, we're just going to have to let you go due to the fact you show no remorse. Like that's why they fired me cause I ain't show no remorse. You shouldn't, you celebrating. Right, they want to meet it. They want to meet it, man. I'm like, damn, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have did that. I'm in a bragging on the video. I'll bet at this time, everybody's like, damn.  I know how to drive all the Ford list.  When you, when you, did you, did they say anything? Like, like, take it down and nothing like that. No, they ain't telling me to take it down. So they just, they enforced the new rule, those no-self on, cause of you. Yeah, they made a no-self on policy on the floor.   And a lot of people I used to work with, they still hit me and they're like, damn, boy, you doing it, boy. You're like, yeah, I know. Man, that's a blessing, man, that you even be, you was able to pull it off, man.  Yeah, they probably ain't even in the middle of it. They probably a fan now, yeah. So you didn't get another job after that, right? Yeah, I got another job. And then with another job I had got, I had to tell people my name was CJ. And I didn't want to.  Why? I had a non-CJ now. I ain't wanna let nobody know my name. So how can people get a hold of you if they're trying to link up with you? I'm on Instagram at Calamon underscore white, that C-A-L-I-M-A-R underscore white. YouTube, the same thing, Calamon white. Facebook, Calamon white. TikTok, Calamon white. Wow. When's your next show? Yeah. My next show will be in London. When? You bet, the comedy show. I got a comedy show, do you ever do that? I be at a Monticello's, Cat's Cafe, the projects, place called the projects. That way, T.I. went up after me. He also went up after me at Sweet Lounge on Friday.  Number, number, top three artists of all time did or live right quick before you get off here. Rappers? Yeah. Number one. No, any genre. Yeah, yeah, any genre, any genre. Top three? Yeah, top three. T.I. Wayne and Drake. I'm simple, man. T.I. Wayne and Drake.  Yeah, T.I. Wayne and Drake. That's a good one. Tip number one. Yeah, Wayne and Drake. But T.I. always number one. That's dope, man. Dope, man. I can't wait for you to subscribe. I like this interview, I didn't know how it was gonna go. I can be real with you. I was like, this is a new interview. Why's got this nigga coming over here, or I don't know this nigga? Call him. I don't know this guy. Why? Who is this nigga, man? But I look you up and I- What's he gonna say? Call him on the rose? No, why? No, that's just- Oh, I'm gonna change the name? That was my first rap, man. Call him on the rose. Ooh. I got that. This nigga got a bag of CDs. They don't like this nigga, man. I got that CD here, too. Look, that nigga got a bag of CDs, man. Look, this nigga, it was a real rapper, nigga. See, that was my first- Oh, no, it ain't none of that, but- Oh, man, look at this nigga, man. I changed that, dude. That's why the- Babypitch only be, you know, really followed behind. That was my first CD, the Babypitch, and then the second CD, the H-Y-M.  Yeah, I- Yeah, I still- Man, remember- Bring that into your skit, man. Do a Bobby Valentino. Hold on, you're- Bring it back, though. You ain't been doing that lately. Remember I told you before I got on the internet, I got- I wanted to have 48 songs? Yeah. Right.  So, why? I still got them in my phone. You ain't dropped them yet. You gonna drop them? So, what number- So, what number are you on? Uh...  This happened. This song went viral like three years ago. True deal. So, because it went viral, you just didn't bother to drop anything else, you just let it do- I tried- Listen, that following week, I dropped another video. Nobody cared about that number. No, no, my cousin called me.  He the one paid for the copyright and everything. When I dropped the video, he was like, Co, what you doing? I'm like, nigga, I'm keeping it going.   That's it. Nigga, that's a hit. You need to work that. And then when he said that, I just never dropped no more money. So, you get paid for that to this day? All the stuff set up, right? Yeah, we working on it.  Oh, yeah? Yeah, they reaching out. They wanna own, they wanna pick up the song, but I mean, I got the song in another situation right now that I finna get out of by the end of this month. Damn, World Star, they gonna get behind it and take it to the next level. How long can a song go, you said three years ago, how long can a song go viral for? How long can a situation go viral for? When it first went viral. Without, you know, going dead. Yeah, when it first went viral, I had created a challenge. Like, you know, like the challenge right now. So people was doing the challenge, then people stopped doing it. So then I had to go on YouTube, typing in people, horse playing at work and then like screen recorded and put my song behind the magazine like they was doing the challenge.   I'm a comedian.   Then I just gave up on it. So about like, I wanna say like, eight, nine months ago, my home girl, she hit me up. She was like, you getting paid for your song? I was like, what song?  I was like, yeah, somewhere. I was like, why? Cause she was like, it's going crazy on TikTok, nigga. It's so many people doing challenges. I'm about to ask you that. Then I went on there. I was like, damn. I was like, damn. You're monetized on TikTok. Yeah, I am.  They owe me some money. But when I seen that, I was like, damn. I remember I was like, when I seen the people, like real people actually doing it, I was like, damn. It was like a couple of months ago, I was faking it. I was screen recording it.  So then I just started saving it and posting it on my Instagram. Then it picked up on Instagram, like the real. It's like, I want to say like, it's like 100,000 people on TikTok that did it. And it's like 50,000 people right now. Instagram that's doing it. And you monetized on Instagram too. Yeah, and it's just picking up. This like, this ain't from three years ago, like, that's why I say it like, but like, I understand like hit song people be putting years in.  Yeah. Man, thank you for coming on the show, man. I hope you enjoyed it, man. You did a good job. You a real interview nigga. Like you interviewed some people around this whole, man. You're like, you really gave us everything. I went to the penitentiary with you. The comedy show with you. Nigga, only thing we didn't do was find out what your favorite foodie is. What is that? McDonald's. That nigga love McDonald's. What's that number, three quarter pound? No, number seven, that two, three burger meal. That nigga, that three killing that thing. I just love their fries, that's it.  That quarter pound, that three, I would, that's it. Nigga, please, which one you got? That's my middle school meal, man. Which one you say? I like quarter pound. Ah, that number three, nigga. You know, he looking for more food. That's my middle school meal, man. Nah, it's too cheap. Yeah, don't fill him up. Check it, man. Say, man, thank you so much. We love you, my brother. Man, you did a great job, man. Hey, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, what a boss is talking. Sir.


Felly, yng Ngwchser mewn llawer yn lliwyr arlaffol i Gwladol Llywodraeth, o blofydd cychwynion gwneud o gyrfaen y dystiolaeth yma sgwr, oherwydd i g份 i gael i gyd uchydigon y Cymru. Felly, yn gwanfaen y tystiolaeth o arfer iawn, oherwydd i gyd i gael i gael i gael i gael i gael i gael i gael. Yn cyfeilio bryd ymgynghwyl, mae'n teimlo'n gwyffrwyr 503, yn y neud George Adam, o gyda'r bwrddol yng Nghymru, o gynnig maen nhw i gyd. anyone who wants to speak against the motion should press the that motion 503 be agreed. Are we all agreed? The motion is therefore agreed. The next item of business is a statement by Marie Todd on cervical screening. The minister will take questions at the end of her statement, and so there should be no interventions or interruptions. I call on minister Marie Todd. Thank you, Presiding Officer. I regret I am here to inform Parliament of a serious adverse event in the Scottish Cervical Screening programme. In December 2020, an NHS board conducted its annual invasive cervical cancers audit and discovered that a very small number of women had developed cervical cancer after being wrongly excluded from the screening programme following a hysterectomy carried out over 20 years ago. I am extremely sorry to say that one of those women has died. Can I offer my sincere condolences and wholehearted sympathies to the women and their families and offer them the absolute reassurance that this Government treats this issue with the utmost seriousness? The board has contacted those affected to apologise and to offer further discussions with clinicians. I know that this will be enormously distressing to them, and, along with many of you, they will question how it happened. That is why I am now updating Parliament on what we know about the errors and how we are responding. To prevent causing undue anxiety and distress to the women involved, I have waited until the NHS has completed the first part of a national review before making this statement. Presiding Officer, those are complex matters, and I ask you and the members of the chamber to have patience while I explain the background and nuances. The Scottish Cervical Screening programme began in 1988 and routinely invites everyone with a cervix between the ages of 25 and 65 for regular tests. People may be invited up to the age of 70 to follow up a test that requires further investigation or treatment. Anyone who has had a total hysterectomy involving the complete removal of the uterus in the cervix can be excluded from screening as there is no risk of cervical cancer. However, those who have had a sub-total hysterectomy, where part of all the cervix remains, should continue to be screened. That is true no matter how small the remaining part of the cervix is. While that will be of little comfort to the women and families affected, the incorrect exclusions were uncovered as part of our quality assurance processes that require health boards in Scotland to conduct regular audits to review the cervical screening history of all patients diagnosed with cervical cancer. Once those exclusions were discovered, NHS National Services Scotland assembled an adverse event management team of senior gynaecologists, pathologists and public health experts, among others, to address the problem. At their direction, all NHS boards conducted an urgent review to assess the risk of other people having been incorrectly excluded. Unfortunately, the review confirmed that there are instances where exclusions have been wrongly applied across Scotland. It also revealed that this is an extremely complex issue, spanning a number of decades and involving a variety of potential errors. The first hysterectomy-related exclusion dates back to 1959, almost 30 years before the screening programme began. I must therefore say that there is more to do to uncover the full extent of this issue, but I will update on what we know and has been done so far. Firstly, immediate remedial work to address the failure has been completed. NHS Scotland has strengthened procedures to ensure that the full details of hysterectomies, including whether or not the cervix was completely removed, are clearly recorded and communicated to the cervical screening programme. Secondly, no other routine audits to date in NHS boards have found any further instances where someone has developed cervical cancer after having been incorrectly excluded from the programme. Thirdly, the adverse event management group identified as an immediate priority, a review of individuals who had been excluded from the cervical screening programme, but whose records indicate that they had a subtotal hysterectomy. There are around 1500 individuals in this group. Of those, around 500 had hysterectomies before 1997, which are recorded in an older part of the medical record system. Their records are being fully reviewed, but this is a time-intensive process and is not yet complete. Today, therefore, I will focus on the audit of more recent records, but I assure you that work is proceeding urgently to review the records of those who had subtotal hysterectomies before 1997. I know how concerning this will be. I do not want to minimise the seriousness of this incident, but I do want to provide reassurance that the risks of cervical cancer are low. In the UK, fewer than 1 in 100 under 1 per cent of women and people with a cervix will develop cervical cancer in their lifetime. I hope that the actions that I outline now will demonstrate that we are doing everything possible to provide effective support for anyone who has been incorrectly excluded. At the direction of the adverse event management group, a multidisciplinary team was assembled in each NHS board to check the hospital records, laboratory records, GP records and screening records of everyone excluded from screening since 1997, despite having a subtotal hysterectomy recorded. That work is now complete. Of this group, over one third have been correctly excluded and no further action is needed. However, 220 individuals within the eligible age range for screening were excluded in error. The NHS has written to them individually to apologise, to explain the situation and to offer personalised advice. GP practices have been asked to prioritise each of them for a timely screening appointment, and I expect those to take place within a few weeks. There are also 149 individuals whose records are unclear about what type of hysterectomy was performed. Their health boards have written to them to explain and to apologise and to offer a gynaecological appointment and a screening test, if appropriate. Similar letters have been issued to 65 individuals who were incorrectly removed from the programme and who are now over the age range for screening. Where necessary, the Scottish Government has provided funding to health boards to run additional clinics so that those requiring gynaecology appointments can be seen within the next four weeks without impacting on other services. A very small number of individuals have left Scotland. We are working with our UK counterparts to contact those people and advise on the next steps. Lastly, 152 individuals within the group are now deceased. A full audit of those records is under way. I know that anyone who receives a letter about this may be extremely anxious, and I am sorry about that. The Scottish Government has provided additional funding to Jo's Trust so that anyone who is concerned can contact them and receive free and comprehensive support. They can be contacted by calling 0808 802 8000 or emailing helpline at joestrust.org.uk. More information about cervical screening is available on NHS Inform. Work is also under way to consider the appropriateness of around 200,000 exclusions that have been based on total hysterectomies. I must stress that the vast majority of hysterectomies carried out in Scotland are total. Therefore, we can be confident that the majority of hysterectomies are correct. However, based on our current findings and the range of errors involved, I hope that members will agree that it is prudent to look more closely at them. Once the work is complete, NHS health boards will write to anyone who requires further investigation. Although I know that people who have had hysterectomies may be concerned, I urge them to wait for this work to finish and not to contact health services in the meantime, unless they are worried that they have symptoms of cervical cancer. Finally, because we must learn from this incident and prevent future occurrences, we have alerted the other UK nations. We will work closely with them as investigations proceed. Before I conclude, I will say a few words about the screening programme.  Cervical screening is not a diagnostic test. It aims to detect cell changes before they become cancerous. It saves 5,000 lives in the UK every year and prevents 8 out of 10 cervical cancers from starting. The incident does not detract from that, nor does it take away from the quality of screening tests or their findings. In fact, it is because the screening programme is so effective that we are doing all that we can to ensure that no one is excluded from it when they should not be. If you are due to make or attend a cervical screening appointment, I urge you to do so. If you have not attended a screening before or missed your last test, please contact your GP surgery to arrange one. Meantime, I urge everyone, whether affected by the issue or not, to be alert for symptoms of cervical cancer. Anyone who is experiencing unusual discharge or bleeding after sex between periods or after the menopause should contact their GP practice immediately and not wait for their cervical screening appointment. Those symptoms are not usually caused by cervical cancer, but it is important to have them checked. Further information on symptoms is available on NHS Inform. This incident will be profoundly worrying to many people. For the women and families that I referred to at the beginning of my statement, it has had devastating consequences. Nothing I can say can undo that. However, I commit to you today that everything that we do surrounding this incident will be guided by three principles. Our focus will be on identifying and providing the appropriate support and care for anyone who has been wrongly excluded. We will be open, transparent and welcoming of the scrutiny that this investigation rightly deserves, and we will learn from this so that it cannot happen again. On that basis, I reiterate that our immediate priority is to ensure that screening or gynaecological appointments are offered to everyone already identified as having been incorrectly excluded. The audit of anyone excluded from the programme who had a subtotal hysterectomy before 1997 will continue, and I expect that anyone excluded in error will be contacted in August. Investigations into the other hysterectomy-based exclusions will continue. Wherever there is concern, we will act, and wherever further changes can make our processes more robust, we will implement them. I have offered meetings to Opposition spokespeople, however, if any MSP would like to meet to discuss this issue, I am more than happy to do so over recess period. I will, of course, update Parliament again shortly after recess. The minister will now take questions on the issues raised in her statement. I intend to allow around 20 minutes for questions after which we will have to move on to the next item of business. It would be helpful if members who wish to ask a question were to press their request to speak buttons now.  Thank you, Presiding Officer. I thank the minister for her statement. What she has just shared with the chamber is deeply distressing news, and my heart goes out to the families of women who has tragically lost their life and all those women affected. As the minister says, many women will be concerned after today's revelations, and I echo her statement that anyone concerned should contact Joe's cervical cancer trust. The minister mentions that there were around 500 hysterectomies before 1997, which are recorded in an older part of the medical record system. Can I ask the minister how long will it take for a full review into their records, and how long and has any of them been completed already? The same adverse event management team that oversaw the review of the post-1997 group will continue to oversee the review into those who had their sub-total hysterectomies before 1997. That expert group includes very senior and very experienced clinicians, pathologists and public health experts. The work of auditing the records will be carried out by individual health boards, as was the case for the participants who had sub-total hysterectomies after 1997. That work has already begun, and I hope that it will be concluded by the end of July, and that those who are identified as wrongly excluded will be contacted very shortly after the work is completed. Jackie Baillie Presiding Officer, this is, of course, an extremely serious situation, and our thoughts are with the women who have been affected. The truth is that we do not yet know the full scale of this error, but it could impact on many more women than the 220 excluded from the screening programme since 1997. It is, of course, critical that women are contacted urgently and offered information and support. Why was that not picked up by audits of the screening programme in the past? When all the women affected will not just be identified but be seen by a clinician, will there be additional specialist clinics in every health board area? Of course, she will be aware of the concerns already about capacity—a significant backlog in screening with something like 180,000 tests delayed because of the pandemic and delays now of six months or even more for those who have been screened and need treatment. Can the minister tell me what additional resources will be provided urgently to cope with this serious situation as well as catching up with the backlog? Jackie Baillie As I said in my statement, around 500 cases, I think that it is 434 people, have been contacted this week. However, because of the range of errors involved, we think that it is very prudent to go back and examine the records of all women who have had hysterectomies just to ensure that there have been no errors occurring. That means that the number of women who might be involved could be larger. In my statement, that number is about 170,000 women, but bearing in mind that the vast majority of women who have hysterectomies in Scotland have total hysterectomies, we expect that the vast majority of those women will have been correctly excluded. I know that it is uncomfortable to have to wait to be contacted, but we are working as fast as we can to resolve this issue. In terms of additional resources, we recognise that the number that is involved is around 200 women has been asked to attend their GPs for a screen. I do not expect that to produce an undue burden on general practices. There will be very few who have more than one woman involved. In terms of those two groups of women who have been called and given an appointment at the hospital, we have provided extra resources to several health boards who wanted to put on additional clinics to ensure that that did not impact on the services that are being prescribed. In terms of the invasive cancer audits, the new national methodology was introduced in 2014. Health boards were doing audits before that, and I can only say that no cases have been found through that national audit system until 2020. Jackie Baillie raises some points that I wanted to mention. I will dig a little deeper. This is clearly worrying for women affected in their families. I understand from the minister's statement that the women have been contacted to take forward next steps of their care. Should there be any woman who is concerned that they may have been affected and has not heard anything, can the minister outline what support is in place for them to raise those concerns? The minister mentioned Joe's trust, but might that contact with them lead to referrals? Given that, right now, there are general concerns that GPs are not doing many face-to-face appointments, can you give reassurance that not only are affected when they are being contacted, but they are being given urgent and one-to-one personal appointments? The women who have been wrongly excluded have been contacted by letter. Those letters went out on Tuesday this week, so they should have arrived yesterday or today. Those letters highlighted to the women that they were to telephone. If they were required to make a GP appointment, they were to telephone and to highlight during that telephone call that they had been contacted by letter and wrongly excluded. We also sent letters to all of the GPs of those women and we have briefed a whole variety of professional groups, including medical directors, directors of public health, NHS boards, NHS executive directors of nursing, GPs, Royal College of Obstructions and Gynaecologists, Royal College of GPs, Royal College of Nursing and cervical screening programme leads in all four nations in Ireland. The reason for that briefing is to make sure that everybody is aware of just how high a priority those women are. At every stage in the system, we have also added a computer tag to their records so that at every stage of the system, as those women progress their way through the process of checking the situation for them as individuals, they should be prioritised and fast tracked. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Thank you to the Minister for Advanced Sites of her statement and a declaration of interest. I am a practicing doctor. My thoughts and prayers go out to the women and their families that have been affected by this terrible error. This is simply awful. It might shape women's faith in the cervical screening programme. As a GP, I must be clear that attending your cervical screening is vital. I promise you that the swab that I take performs early warning detection of potential cancer, so please attend your appointment and do not be put off. Plus, if you experience any symptoms, please contact us on your GP. Minister, is this a failure of coding by the operating surgeon or is this a more systemic wide issue or is it an IT issue? I thank the member for that question. We have looked, as you might expect, very closely at the points where the errors appear to have occurred. There are potentially four points where errors have occurred. There has been for some women a mismatch between the operation proposed and the operation which was actually done. That is usually for technical reasons, which occurred during the surgery. As a consequence, a proposed total hysterectomy becomes a subtotal. That fact might not be noted in the discharge summary, and instead the discharge summary letter will be based on the theatre list, i.e. the planned operation. The GP will see this and request removal from call recall. A second error that has occurred is that subtotal procedures might be incorrectly coded in theatre again, reflecting a mismatch between the proposed and the actual operation, or simply a misunderstanding of what a subtotal procedure actually is. There has also been some incorrect coding in labs, so subtotal specimens might contain some cervical tissue and be incorrectly coded as total hysterectomies when these patients are being considered for continuation on call or recall. Finally, the patient may have been removed from call recall despite accurate information being conveyed to primary care following surgery where the cervix is retained. There are many reasons why women might be reluctant to attend their screening tests ranging from difficulties in attending or being examined due to physical disability, cultural and language barriers, lack of awareness and uneasiness. What action is it taking to break down those barriers and help more women to attend their appointment when called? I thank Emma Harper for that question. Those are indeed complex issues and I am mindful that there is not a single solution, but I also agree that those are very important matters to tackle. I can outline some of the work that is already happening. In initial sample taking training, NHS Education for Scotland provides information for sample takers to help them to address the potential issues in assisting disabled people at their cervical screening appointment along with many other groups where there may be barriers to screening. Further advice for sample takers is also set out in national guidance. If someone is unable to leave their home for a cervical screening appointment, an NHS board can use a multidisciplinary team member to provide support that will allow them to have their sample taken. That is done on a case-by-case basis, depending on the needs of the individual. The Scottish Government has also made funding available through its inequality fund to health boards to allow them to tackle inequalities in access to screening. In addition to the £5 million that we have made available over the past five years, we will be exploring how best to use an additional £2 million over the next two years to drive long-lasting sustainable change in the cancer screening programmes. That will align with the work of the national screening oversight, which also has a key focus on tackling inequalities across all of our screening programmes and is developing a strategy to do so. This is obviously a serious failure that must not be allowed to happen again. I would like to ask on behalf of those women who had sub-total hysterectomies before 1997 to reassure the women that I would like to press for a date that the audit of those cases can be completed. How long will it take for the individuals affected to be contacted, and finally, where those individuals may have passed on due to complications relating to cervical cancer? Will those families be contacted? I thank you for that question. I can assure you that we are working absolutely as fast as we can through those records in order to identify the women who have been wrongly excluded pre-1997. I am afraid that I cannot give you an exact date, but we aim to have that work completed by the end of July and we aim to inform those women as soon as we possibly can after that. I would expect that to be early August. In terms of women who may be deceased, if we are conducting an audit of all women who have died of cervical cancer and we will certainly examine whether they are involved in the incident, if they are, the NHS will get in contact proactively with those families in order to explain the situation. Kenneth Gibson to be followed by Julian Mackay Thank you, Presiding Officer. Human papilloma virus is known to cause 99 per cent of all cervical cancers, as well as cases of head, neck and anal genital cancers. An HPV vaccination programme was introduced for S1 girls in 2008 and boys in 2019. Can the minister provide an update on how lockdown has affected the implementation of the HPV vaccination programme over the past 16 months and how that will be taken forward? I am afraid that I cannot have that data right in front of me. I am certainly willing to write to the member and update him on that issue as soon as I possibly can get my hands on those figures. I now call Julian Mackay to be followed by Christine Grahame. Thank you, Presiding Officer.  I note the minister states that the risk of cervical cancer is low and that cervical screening is the best protection against cervical cancer, but many women's confidence in the programme will have been undermined by today's announcement, particularly when we are hearing more about how women's health problems are being missed, ignored or misdiagnosed. What urgent action will the minister take to restore confidence in the cervical screening programme and encourage women to continue to attend their appointments? I thank the member for that question. Undoubtedly, we have to ensure that women have confidence in the system. As members have said, it is an extremely effective way of preventing cancer. Around 5,000 lives are saved every year. We just recently had cervical cancer week. We saw the Scottish Government buildings here in Edinburgh lit up for that. There is a regular campaigning conducted by Jo's Trust, Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, and later in this year we, the Scottish Government, will be conducting a campaign to alert women of the practicalities of the screening programme and to highlight just how important it is to have your cervical screening. I note from the minister's statement that some of the women are now beyond the eligibility age range from screening, which I think is 64. Not just for those women, but for other women. Can I ask, given that the life expectancy for women in Scotland is over 80, if there is any scope for extending this automatic screening eligibility to at least age 70? I thank the member for that question. At present, screening can extend up to age 70 for those who have a non-routine result that requires follow-up or treatment, so those high-risk women are screened up until the age of 70. The UKNSE keeps the eligible age ranges for screening under review, using the best available evidence. Scottish ministers would, of course, work to implement any change that that committee recommended. I extend my condolences and thoughts to the women and their families who have been affected and recognise that, for many women and their families, that statement will be a source of significant anxiety. The minister mentioned possible funding. Is she able to say how much funding the Scottish Government has allocated to health boards for extra appointments and how much has it set aside? Given the obvious anxiety that this will cost to patients, will the minister consider additional funding for health board-level health lines so that patients can inquire about their own records and therefore avoid GP surgeries being possibly, but understandably overwhelmed by calls from worried women and their families? Four health boards have requested funding to provide additional clinics as follows Lanarkshire, 28,000, Lothian, 8,098 pounds, Greater Glasgow, 5,000 pounds and 5,700. No other boards have requested funding, but we are happy to keep the situation under review and will provide further funding if needed. We have also provided some extra funding to Joe's cervical cancer trust. I fully appreciate just how worrying this will be for people who have been affected. Everyone affected will receive a personalised letter from their health board apologising for the situation and providing information about the situation at the incident and the cervical screening. Joe's cervical trust has made the helpline available, so that helpline is available nationally for women to call. I would advise against women contacting their GP to find out if they have been affected. I would assure them that anyone who has been identified as incorrectly excluded from the programme, because they have a subtotal hysterectomy, will receive a letter directly from their health board. Some of them will be asked. Those who are within the age range for the screening programme will be asked to contact their GP to make a screening appointment. The one exception that I would give is that our advice remains that people should contact their GP straight away if they experience the symptoms of cervical cancer. Those symptoms are unusual discharge, bleeding after sex, between periods or after the menopause. Those symptoms are generally caused by something else, but it is vitally important that women experiencing those symptoms attend their GP and have them checked out. Alex Cole-Hamilton, to be followed by Jackie Dunbar. This will be deeply alarming news to many women. It is a tragic reminder of the importance of robust screening programmes. If there are regular audits as she says, how this was missed for so long, why are women only hearing about this now if it was first detected in December 2020? Can I also ask if all of the 1500 women are aware that their records are currently under review? As I explained, the invasive cancer audits, there was new national methodology introduced in 2014, and health boards were doing audits prior to that. In 2020, that new methodology of auditing invasive cervical cancer identified the problem. Scottish Government has only known about the incident since March. The adverse event management team that was established by the NHS to deal with the issue met for the first time on 9 March and sent to work immediately to determine the scope of the incident and how best to support those who were effective. That expert group, as I have said, brings together senior gynaecologists, pathologists and public health experts, as well as senior system leaders in screening. It established that the immediate priority was to find out how many of those excluded from the cervical screening programme had had a sub-total hysterectomy. Multidisciplinary teams were established in every single one of Scotland's NHS boards, which looked in detail at the medical records of those who had been excluded from the cervical screening programme, despite their records indicating that they had undergone a sub-total hysterectomy. That was a painstaking process that involved cross-checking, a range of electronic and older paper records, including operation notes, pathology reports, hospital discharge letters and GP records. That took several weeks to complete. As well as establishing who had been affected, the group also determined that correct care pathways and ensured that arrangements were in place so that everybody receives the same information and the same treatment wherever they are in Scotland. As I mentioned before, that included making an IT flag, an IT update to flag the records of anyone affected so that any further investigation of treatment required as a result of the incident will be prioritised. That took several weeks to arrange. I feel that it was absolutely vital that the NHS took the time to understand and accurately understand each person's circumstances and to make sure that arrangements were in place before we wrote to anyone to make them aware that they might have been excluded in error. To do otherwise, I believe, I would have compounded anxiety with long delays or uncertainty about how their cases would be managed. I also extend my sympathies to all those who have been affected. Worry and research conducted by Joe's cervical cancer trust has shown that only half of those who have HPV on their cervical screening results know what it is. Last week, being cervical screening awareness week, can the minister outline what action can be taken to tackle the stigma and confusion surrounding HPV and increase awareness for women who have been diagnosed and across the wider population? Let me agree with the member that it is absolutely vitally important that we raise awareness of just what HPV is, what it means to have HPV. Joe's cervical cancer trust has told us that HPV is the topic that they hear most about through their support helpline, with callers often being confused, anxious and upset about what it means to have it so that we know that there is more work to help people to understand those issues. NHS informs already has information to help and support people and Public Health Scotland regularly does work to raise awareness on issues around cervical screening. For example, during cervical awareness week this month, it shared information and posted on social media. The Scottish Government has also funded Joe's cervical cancer trust to carry out work to raise awareness of HPV and its implications for screening. I expect that that work will pick up pace throughout the year. Finally, as I mentioned later in the year, we hope to launch our own campaign to raise awareness of cervical screening. We will work to accompany that with wider messaging around HPV. That is indeed a deeply concerning statement. I would like to ask two points. First, when were Scottish ministers first made aware of this serious adverse event? Given the fact that, sadly, this is not the first time that we have heard of errors in the service screening programme last year in NHS National Services Scotland, we had to apologise for a two-month delay to around 15,000 patients for screening invitation letters due to what they referred to as a technical fault. Given the pressures that the NHS is currently under, how are ministers working to reassure women that the programme is fit for purpose? Is the minister also going to look at undertaking a review of the screening programme? I would say that we have worked really hard. We were first made aware—as I said in a previous answer—in March this year, on 9 March 2021, officials were made aware and ministers were also informed on the same day. Everyone involved has worked extremely hard to identify the women involved and to firstly ensure that the systems are corrected so that the error could not be made again going forward. Secondly, to ensure that we could correctly identify the women and contact them with high-quality information and provide access to tests and screening at their GP, if appropriate, and gynaecological appointments, if that was the more appropriate route. At the moment, that is our highest priority to absolutely ensure that we are completely aware of who is involved and to contact them as quickly as we can and to ensure that they have an appropriate pathway going forward. The situation is indeed deeply concerning and our thoughts are with all those affected. I appreciate what the minister has said about funding for the Jewish Trust helpline to support anyone who is concerned, but can she confirm that the funding will last for as long as it is needed and that all sufficient resources will be given to Jewish Trust to ensure comprehensive individual support? Further to that support, can she advise what has been provided to GPs and other health professionals who may be the first point of contact for women who are in the midst of remobilisation from Covid? I thank the member for that question. It enables me to put on record that I am extremely grateful to Jo's cervical cancer trust for running their helpline. They have enormous expertise in supporting people who may have questions and concerns around screening or the risk of cervical cancer. We have given them extra funding to ensure that they can cope with the extra calls that we anticipate. We have been more than happy to discuss with them should they require more funding. As I mentioned, the letters to the women affected who have been wrongly excluded from the programme went out on Tuesday. At the same time, letters went directly to their GPs. The letters to the women not only had details personal to them but an information leaflet with general information and frequently asked questions for women. The similar format was covered for the GPs. We sent the GPs information and we also sent them a set of Q&As. As I listed in a previous answer, we have contacted very many people within the health boards and various colleges, royal colleges of different professions, to ensure that everyone who women might ask, as far as we possibly can, about their own situation, will be well armed with information to reassure them and give them confidence that their care is in safe hands. We will have a short pause to allow for change of appeal before we move on to the next item of business.