So Welcome everyone. This is a session about helping regular desktop users not need their local Debian Geeks How can we iron out the rough parts of the distribution for regular people? Lunar is presenting and everybody. Thank you, Lunar So this is about our favor About yeah, how could we make like I'm asking a simple question How could we make the sub users need their local Debian Geeks less? I have a few Forwards and then we can go up for discussion. I have a few technical point. I'd like to Discuss what issue some more technical issues pop up. It's good So I'm talking about I'm not walking set up. I should have said is that before Interesting. This is not going to work like that. Anyway Probably What? Yeah, I was trying to do that to geeky probably Huh and now I'm last on my own screen shame Yeah Okay Come on Anyway So that were my slides. So I'm going just to follow and and whatever So, I mean that was okay, so I'm talking about desktop users What? I'm not hearing you. Yeah Is that okay? Yeah, I just watching on ISE so if people are on ISE if you have questions Please highlight me bubul on ISE and I relay the questions or comments or whatever So sorry about that So I'm talking about desktop users those are users in Well, I'm when I speak when I talk about the sub users. I mean people having some work to do and I would like to actually do that work and in order to realize what they need to Realize they need to use a computer But I'm not talking about people who actually Have a like work as developers who even are computer Antisys like for our users like people who would subscribe to Demian user main list are for our users in my opinion I'm talking about users that actually I would like to See them having their computers not gets into the way of the work they want to achieve. That's that's who I'm talking about And I mean DBN is in my opinion a great distro to support those users because we have stable release and I mean When you want to realize something having habits on How you do that is a good thing because it enables you to actually stop thinking about How you do something, but the things that you want to do So I'm advocating that we we as DBN she's stable release Releases and those are good because enable our users to have habits and I mean Yeah, two years is two years three years is a good time because I mean I'm If if my system changed every two three years Then I can I don't know take the time when I I'm available enough to actually rethink Think again about my current habits, but for example, you've been to with its every six months really cycle I've seen that that rhythm of release gets Into the in the way of people actually wanting to do work because they had to rethink Again and again how they were actually using the computer every six months And So yeah, they've been is great, and I'm actually I've done that I've convinced many friends actually using dbN And I was I'm happy about it but my issue with that is is now I have to spend less time with them and more time with their computer and Actually, I'd like I'd like dbN. I'd like us. Please help me I'd like to spend more time with my friends and not with the computer or not fixing their computer or not discussing the bug they encountered with dbN and So that's that's why I wanted to have this session with you It's just like how what are the Ralph edges that we still have and That we could actually fix so I'm not getting a phone call at 11 p.m. And and asking hey, I have this black screen. Can you help me? You know So please join the the the Gobi So Gobi is that so it's Software is Gobi 0.5 and it's still not working. Well Gobi dash 1.5 the server is called Gobi at dbN.net and the document is something like DC 11 Both local less local geeks is about people connecting to that Is my Gobi broken you're connected Okay, so my Gobi was out of sync. I'm putting that on screen lots of people Is that big enough? So is there like any Anyone like would like to comment before we get to some technical issues I've found out not right now Okay, the first thing I have been able to you to find and this one thing I like to fix is the So well, I think the dbN installer now is at the point when where most people can actually Do an installation of dbN by themselves If you use the guided partitioning which is the hardest part in my opinion of a fresh install then I mean you're good if you don't want to have any kind of other Opening system on your On your computer, then I think it's okay to The deep like I think the dbN installer mostly fits one of the question that I have suppose all the many many friends is the one Who says what is your demand? Like that one is is is I mean so I have to explain them. Okay, so you see for example when you actually use Bugs done dbN.org then dbN.org is a domain and bugs is your machine But then they say no bugs is not are not my machine and I'm not on dbN and so they get confused Okay So I have been pondering that for a while and I've been when we did the Release online release party for squeeze. We actually discussed that a little bit There's several issues like we can't just hide the question. What is your domain? Because one the feature of DI which is quite useful is that you can fetch a domain from DHCP And so if you are doing a large-scale installation, that makes sense to actually Set up set a domain and have it like automatically fetched so one of the Way to solve that that was thinking about is actually Having not like currently you have a question like what is your last name and what is your domain name? I would like to have to ask you actually merge that into one single question. That would be what is Your system name and that could be for example for my laptop Kendra Without any domain name or if you're installing bugs.dbN.org then it would be bugs.dbN.org with the four qualified domain name Do you think that it will help I think that people are confused by the idea that their computer even has a name Honestly, I mean I know that there's an RFC that suggests how to name your computer, but most people haven't read it and it just if I think splitting that out by dots is gonna confuse people who might have a They might just say oh well. This is my space laptop. Is the host name going to be my space laptop? I Don't know how to resolve that problem But I don't know that merging them into one question is actually going to kind of solve the whole thing merging them into one question is even making it worse Because you're presupposing that people will know that the first point separates the system name from the domain name So well, of course even more knowledge my point is that you don't need to have a domain name if you have a Laptop and most laptops shouldn't have a domain name set actually because they jump up from network to network that's my my opinion and And and also Yeah, so that's I Mean you don't have to know that the dots separate if you just want to name your laptop without a domain name That's my point But yeah I think we need to take a step back and figure out how to actually make the desktop more useful and Let me give been begin with a question. How many of you are installing the we see desktop regularly Like once a week or more we see you mean We see yeah, the next one that's supposed to be fixing right daily images All the daily images or PXC or whatever. Okay. How is my name doing that weekly or more? Yeah That's what we have to do to actually test it and fix it and For for Lenny for etch for Woody I've been doing that in DB and edu and finding so many miss features and stupid things and packages that are missing and I seem to be the only one doing it So I think we need to look at the process that will actually get us a useful desktop If you install a fresh desktop installation in GNOME and discover there is no pop-up when an upgrade is available then you actually have to address that if you discover that the Default browser doesn't handle text files properly You have to address that if you discover that the fonts that are used in almost every way pages are missing And these are all problems. I've seen up through the years You have to address that and the problem I think we have is that most people just use their desktop their laptop and They install one packet to fix their problem and forget about it And don't really realize that the desktop task in task cell is missing that Vital piece of packet that's maybe a few kilobyte, but makes the user experience so much better and we don't really Seem to be doing much to integrate all the nice thing that Ubuntu has added to their system to make things work properly for normal users and Really think we need to step back and stop focusing on getting our desktop experience better We need to see would I be able to help? Well pick any random person, you know, that's not really a computer skilled person like a grandmother or something Would I be able to help her through this process over the phone? and if you can't well we need to make it simpler because We need to get to a point where you can actually help people over the phone with a really simple process like upgrading the Distribution or adding a video codec or making sure that flash is working or whatever Stupid thing you have to get Install to actually get web pages or documents or whatever working because otherwise the Linux distribution is getting in their way And we like to think we have the superior position when we are debating software But to a lot of people we are like the retarded Cousin that doesn't really understand the words you are using and it doesn't really understand the documents you are sending to them because they are like less skilled and less Okay in their heads and to actually get away from that we need to make sure it's so easy to explain what the problem is and So easy to understand what the problem is if you're missing Windows media of drivers or if you're missing flash Otherwise we are just being the the stupid Computer system that doesn't work properly I mean I do agree with all that and that's why I actually wanted to make that but happen what I'm going through right now is like when I so I've done I've not done that work on wheezy, but I've done that work on stable and That's I'm more like to just do to go through a few technical points that we could actually change and I do not feel like and it's all to change alone. So that's why I wanted to discuss with more people first But fully agree that we should actually have take this habits of testing What we are developing right now and to make it better for the next three sure Yeah, hi, so I've faced this problem personally when I moved over to Debin So I think there's one the easiest way to solve this would be that you set a default value So the user doesn't have to enter something himself So like the username phase comes first, I guess and then the domain part comes Depends on if you're installing from the network come from a serum If the username part comes first, then you can you know username hyphen desktop laptop. I think like Ubuntu does it so You actually ease problems because the user doesn't have to guess if the value is already there. He'll just click next so Yeah, I mean one of one of the very like the hardest part of the whole thing about the jib and install a but It's it's very flexible and it's used by hardcore sysadmins and by clueless users It's very hard. She actually have some way But probably changing the order of question and actually Could be helpful to answer that Daniels were raised which was okay. Some people don't know that computers should have name Yeah, because if the user is once he can enter to himself and if he doesn't know what it is He'll just just click next and be over with it. So But problem with that it's it. Yeah, and then we can probably figure out the domain later I know I just noticed people are adding about partitioning schemes to the document I think we're talking about people who will not be doing partitioning In general like these are these are people for whom a graphical partition manager is no more help than a text-based partition manager They don't know what a partition is. They don't want to know what a partition is and they shouldn't need to know What a partition is so I mean, yeah It would be great for the people who are sort of in between to be able to have a GUI version But I think we need to make it just work and maybe that means that they can't install it in a dual boot mode with their windows Machine, but you know what? These are folks who are not going to be successfully dual booting. Anyway, there are too many problems involved with a dual boot persistently, I think my my I mean the friends who Have been stalling they didn't They they want to get rid of viruses windows and non free software They're like interested and want to have free software and use free software And they actually are more happy now that they have DB and then they were with their previous System so I they don't want to go back. I mean They don't want to buy software to have to do stuff for the computer Personally, I think the installer is simple enough now. I've never had any complaint about Installing and basically it's done once and then they will keep running the system I think we need to focus more on the desktop experience and Like the problem that occurs several times and all the times Instead of one that's happening once per computer and then you will have two years of stupid questions about why is this video not working? So Partisaning yeah, it could be made simpler and there are some questions you could get rid of and in DB and edu We have done that by just asking a few questions and pre-seed everything else And it's perfectly possible to put one question in front of DB and installer Do you care about all these things or do you just want everything to work and you just have a yes-no question and Partitioning and everything will just happen. It's perfectly possible to do that probably would be like A hundred lines of shellcode and then you would have an installer that's so simple that anyone couldn't install it But I don't think we need that because the installer is so simple these days. It's very hard to actually Not be able to install and at the installation process You can just redo it if it didn't work out you just reinstall again Because you haven't anything sensible on your machine yet. It's fresh machine with a fresh installation So if you get one question wrong, you just redo it and Flip the answer but when you have a working desktop with hundreds of and thousands of documents you want to make sure are stored properly and You want everything to be just working and not get in your way when you want to have Your work done that's where we have to focus and that's where we have been really not doing a lot of work Recently to improve the experience of users One one quick comment one of the other question. I would like to actually raise the priority So it would be hidden for most user is the one that asks for HTTP proxy who has used an HTTP proxy for the last two years Okay But do you think that you could switch to export mode to do it even install using? Would that be correct? Yeah, no Okay, well this time the Debian bootmail is probably but we'll see So yeah, I agree that we need more people interested in fixing the desktop But at the same time those who are not interested in the desktop should still appreciate the desktop Yesterday on Debian IRC channel there was somebody trying to configure DNS and He received like two pages of flame how crappy network manager is and then they were telling him to Use nano to edit resolve conf and then use CH utter to make sure that a network manager cannot write over result Conf so I think that's also also a social problem that people should recognize That some people are not interested in learning everything in the system Okay, I like I like to I like to move to the next point that was like feeling very controversial in my point of view, but It's I'd like to I'd like to switch this a second fix configuration viable in the odc default SES to yes by default on new installations from now on so what what does that? Flag means is that in case the the file system is broken on boot. It tries to fix it without asking user inputs at all Because right now if you it happened to a few friends It means like issue issue pulling the plug and it box the file system good enough then way the file system comes back Well, but the computer comes back. They get prompted with a shiny black screen saying messages in English Asking to type scary come on lines that people ever thought about and it's only What get I mean? And if you don't know anything the system will not boot either. So I mean a few friends. They were like It's telling me that for a while now. I've tried to rebuild it and and again and again, and it's a little working Can you help me because? And I would like I'm I don't want to ask these folks who can use the dbn install archer actually have to edit the config file using nano right after Their arm to actually set up to set this like to yes, and I don't want to to I'm not going to have this very holy boot message going graphical or Translated even because I think it's it would be hard work To do and I think it's it's far more easier that we acknowledge that we've gigabytes of Data or even like terabytes of that. I know one is actually going to answer the fsck question manually except these are like fast system experts, but Just just to point you out. I'm quoting Josh triplet and a recent system D Come on a system D blog Who we acknowledge that he was strange. It was not true And also later in the just just after that in the goby you have the last discussion that I have been able to found about this Configure option is it's a message from that so who is like e2 fsck maintainer actually and it's it's from august Two thousand yeah, and it so it's three years old And it's it's not exactly that issue, but it's quite related and I think one additional usability Buck in the standard devian installation is the intervals when fs checks are being run I think when I I recently helped someone or who had basically more or less a fresh squeeze installation and I think with the defaults which are being installed on the standard file system the I think the interval is about 31 boot ups and if you're using the computer just to to check email once a while This essentially leads to an an e2 is s check which roughly runs at least a month if not even if not even more often if two people share the same computer and If you use ex tier 3 which is the default on a really on one of the typical hard disk sizes That you have on a current computer which has a terabyte hard disk and it actually takes up to 20 minutes of completely scary non-understandable messages and I think we should either switch to Because in e2 fs check. There's also the possibility to set a default which is set in days So that is rather set to something along the lines of three to six months or to even go one step further and seem simply have it Triggered as a specific administrative task like for example having a gnome pop-up Notifications such as your computer hasn't been checked for half a year Would you want to check it with the next boot up because I think this is essentially also a usability problem for everyone who runs a server Because I think everyone knows the problem that the whole thing has been running for for the whole while And then you have a really serious problem need to reboot it And this is always the time when the next e2 fs check kicks in So I think this is essentially not only not only usability problem the desktop, but I think something which even Spends out to to the typical server use Interesting thanks I had my file system check yesterday On my laptop when it was running on battery and I am waiting for an option to postpone it That shouldn't be that hard actually it should do that by default I mean there is good that there is logic already that knows how that it should skip file system check on battery It's there. So it's a bug Or you have to install laptop mode for this, okay, so Another example of these small tools that should be installed by default But I just wanted to remind everyone that the fsck Operation doesn't really have to happen at boot and it doesn't really have to happen manually in free BSD Do you have a background fsck that actually run while the system is running? Maybe Linus current should get one of those. I mean I When I talk to you to change it back to some people around that comes some of them like we're really against it because they told me hey When I'm when I'm on my server, I don't want to lose any file And I say okay, but if you have a server your system means so you know how to change that flag back to no, right? so Is that anyone like okay? So I'm with a convinced audience right now. So maybe I'm it's flowed but yeah So I wanted to ask a question about it's sort of a more general Like in terms of what we're doing here I feel like we're identifying a lot of places where there are rough edges that have some pretty much common sense Choices that we're not yet making in the distribution How are we going to resolve these things should should these just be bugs that are filed? Is there a common tag in the in the BTS that we're using to say? Common sense fix or something like that. How can we make it so that? These sort of things are encouraged and and accepted within the distribution Rafael Actually Ubuntu at this notion of paper cut a really small fix that enhance the user experience and they are collecting those and Trying to fix a specific number for each release. Maybe we should have something similar. I don't know You We shouldn't really be focusing too much on changing the faults either We might be able to use some of the other mechanisms we have around in the distribution preceding and and that constant questions that can be Doing more Sensible things during installation to detect what's a sensible default For example the proxy thing the obvious thing to do for the install I believe is to actually see if it can get on the internet And if it can get on the internet the proxy question is a really low priority question if it can't it's a high priority question And that's probably like five lines of shellcode in the in the code. That's actually asking the profile question Not the proxy question. I think we can do similar things with With the fsck thing we can see if you are going to install a desktop and it is a laptop then we flip the Default value to to know or to yes it there's so many things we can do if it's stop talking about what should be the default for everyone and Instead discuss when should this be set to this value and when should it be set to that one? And how can we automatically detect when the different scenarios are in place? so I also wonder well most of those Pre-configuration are tied somehow to the usage of the even installer but more and more Server or virtual servers or whatever are installed just with the bootstrap and here you don't get all those funny pre-configuration things It's something maybe that we should take in keep in mind at least Because it would be sad to have two different experience depending on the way you install David so I Remember we had a few years ago a drive To reduce the number of questions that you are asked in a default install so We did that kind of things if a few dedicated people come together Make a team and make a team a mailing list and larger discussions that need to be launched and file the books that need to be filed it happens, but yeah a Few people have to get together and form the group one of the other thing I was actually in just but need is when I did the And I'm still ongoing the transition from my friend's computer from Lenny to squeeze and I mean There is no way you can actually using graphical interfaces. We have we have a lot of things that you can tweak your apps Repositories graphically you can do security Updates using graphical interface you can tweak your packages and stuff. There's no way you can actually change the line in Etc app source list that list that says Lenny to squeeze like that single change is not possible using agree right now Except from that if you make that change using command line and then switch to depth comb priority critical Then and you can do a full upgrade of Lenny to squeeze and you get only Free depth conf questions that probably should be lowered Asked at lower priority which are about restarting services of the JLPS for for the JLPC like we start in cron and Gdm and Addee and stuff and I mean come on like who don't want to get the system Like if you're doing a security update like full system upgrade, then you want to restart the services, right? so Jerry we Yeah, I'm sorry. It's a little bit late because it comes from ISE so we will go one step backwards There was a question about does there exists a design guide for the different tasks cell targets Which is related to what do we install by default? I guess this is asking how should be done to design the task cell Stuff so as we have Joey around I guess he can answer or not We have 10 minutes left There's not really a design guide for the test cell tasks. It's mostly common sense or Just whatever seems best at the time Come on. Come on. That's why only a few people can modify the test cell tasks. Unfortunately I just wanted to point out that that if you do an upgrade while running gnome for example And you allow it to reboot to restart Gdm.  It says reloading. Okay. I'll so then the I experienced it with Katie and KDM And you're fucked that was I mean I've done the test from linear to squeeze Okay, we like switching from default desktop installs of Lenny to squeeze and it's been always fine Okay, but then Okay, the last the the remaining Question that you asked and that I think you can't actually have it Skipped is the one that says I'm grub. I want to upgrade myself Please confirm where I should trash your hard drive Because that one is not going I don't feel like we could skip that one with people to say hey Please that's my hard disk so as far as I Remember Gdm is fine on upgrade, but a gnome really doesn't like being upgraded a gnome in general Really doesn't like being upgraded while it's running About every time I have a significant upgrade to gnome and I run it from From running gnome random random gnome programs just crash. Yeah, you have error messages popping up But what I what I am advocating is probably we can if so if we if we have Some of the critical questions prairie lower too high probably and if we have some kind of if you do some tests I'm pretty sure we can come up with a software solution that could drive Upgrades from old stable to stable and who who could enable our users to actually do that switch using graphical tool I think it's doable task because it's not that hard.  I mean Okay, so it's a bit of a shame because I'm not caring much about KDE because I mostly install thinking about the default Debian installed right now. I've never tried to do some kind of graphical Upgrades using KDE for example other desktop environments, but Yeah, it's something I will very much like us to to have for for wheezy So another issue I see from for non-expert upgrades Is these well as a confile handling after I'm not quite sure what to do about it because DPKG can cannot just always use a debcon for it's to low level But maybe optionally or and and also The messages have more Handholding because right now the question is asked on the terminal and even even if it was asked graphically with the same prompts People who wouldn't know what to do or how to do it so Maybe UCF brings part of an answer if it would just the default to To merge or something but see I remember that someone was working on a patch for DPKG They would use depth comp to ask questions about com files. Do you remember that that that's what? it's yes any progress merge no nothing it's like But there have been some code written for that at some point. Okay. Yes, and we have five minutes more One thing about a bit pissed about also is I think we should we should think about the use case of people who Will actually want to use a computer without any kind of internet connection At all you still would I mean it's still a For some kind of work it makes sense to actually have a computer that had no internet connection at all and so in squeeze it's too late probably but the The multi-arc DVD which is advertised as the only Installation medium that you that you need has this little bug that it has no network managerk no in it so probably it's not it's not a Problem issue don't intend to actually use the any kind of network connection at all for the walk life of the computer But if you're doing the unstar we've had a good internet connection and then you go back to internet then you're fine so and That and I mean that's it that was a stupid test and could have been figured out way earlier But no one made it so I think we should It's a good news now that we have a date for the freeze which is July next year No June sorry, then so it's June next year so starting of July. We can do actually produce CD images and start testing them and see if the resulting desktop is working and we can do tests with like Okay, net-inst CD DVDs all that kind of insultion median media we have Well, I'm not burning Was that our fellow were saying there's no reason to wait for the freeze I mean, I'm not going to burn any DVD and find a spare fold laptop that I can trash every week I mean I have to ask friends to do that You can test some stuff on on virtualization, but like just one machine, but some of them really needs Real computer to to to do so Very little needs a real computer to be tested. I've been installing Daily and in periods or multiple times per day on the virtual machine and you can test almost everything on the virtual machine There's no need to burn a CD. You just put it on a USB stick And if you have the spare hardware you do that if you don't use a virtual machine Come on, it's not that hard and if someone actually need to do it It's it's not that hard time time time time sink with no limits, but yeah I'm advocating the test of science sake if we start doing that after the freeze than before but if people like Doing it right now. I mean, it's doing it after the freeze There are so many problems you will discover after the freeze as the freeze will be pointless if we start after the freeze Well, that was the bug I'm at work. I'm talking about which is network manager. No is not at the DVD He's totally unrelated to the freeze. It's the way we actually make this DVD and the CD So that's a bug against CD image So we have three more minutes That I'm pretty happy because the the Gobi session has been like filled with many ideas And I'm going to post that on the depth conference mainly and see at least Is that is there any other comments? one of the Things that I expected to see in this talk coming into it was ways to remotely manage your Less experienced users workstations either some kind of System where they have a menu option to set up a remote session with you or where you Just log in silently once in a while by SSH, but some way to open up whatever ports you need and actually set up the Screen sharing or SSH or whatever else to automate some of that. I don't know if Rafael actually with GNOME, there already is an option that you can Enable share your computer with you can password protect it if you want or you can disable that depending on how The way the computer is located. I do that with my mother. So it's working fine. I mean When I installed our computer, I just clicked this checkbox and No, well, I look back with SSH and connect over the but SSH and VNC But basically VNC is integrated in GNOME desktop in the standard on desktop. So I Don't know what more you'll what do you want more than that? I'm expecting that users would not necessarily remember to turn the service on and off and Wouldn't want to leave it running all the time and Basically just something more turnkey that really dumps it down Anyway, I Thought maybe that would be covered It's kind of what I expected coming in here a little not the whole thing Well, my point is also that I'd like I'd like I'd like those users to actually not need my help at all Which means no need to actually remotely help them Other way that I'd rather have them and see them and have a cup of coffee in real life, you know That's timing. That's one thing. My friends. What do you do when you're in Bosnia? What then what do you do when you're in Bosnia, right? Well, they wait, I don't know So there's a couple of bug we could already feel some of those items means a hell lot more work I think I think that in the real proper process Already that exists like a team of people who like to make the perfect best up I know that for example Ronda has been doing a lot of work trying to fix bugs that are reported against table There is a few things probably maybe we can actually if people are really interested Maybe you could gather for a sprint at some point and try to fix as many of these Desktop issues. I don't know. I think there are a lot of work that can be that can be done and and it's it's great that to see many people interesting in that making DBN more friendly to our desktop users so What's your call for for it times up probably? Yeah So we have we have to yeah, we have to we have to decide for user tag address. Let's let's do that Yeah, that's Pick one. Okay. We'll see like something like that We'll see I'm not a hurrying you so I say we close up the session and then come and we I'm going to put something on the main list thanks for coming and And yeah, well we'll walk together and all that


Hey, it's theCUBE. We are at MWC23 in Barcelona, Spain. I'm Lisa Martin with Dave Vellante. Dave, we've had some great conversations at the event so far. The name change from Mobile World Congress to MWC Reflex. It's not just about mobile. There are so many other interesting components. There's a lot going on in telecom. We've only just started to crack the surface. I mean, mobile was a huge catalyst for this show. Obviously changed the world, but there's so much more going on at the show, but let's talk about mobile. We've got two guests here with us. Dr. Srinivas Mukamala is back, the Chief Product Officer at Ivante. Great to have you back. Sally Fuller also joins us, the Director of BT and EE Enterprise Mobile Products Group at BT. Welcome to the program. Great to be here. So I want to get both of your perspectives on how mobility is evolving. Sally will start with you and then Shree will go to you. Absolutely. Yeah, sure. So I think it's an amazing time in mobile and it feels like we're at the beginning of our next big inflection point. So our customers are really going, they were going mobile first, but now they're going mobile only. And they're layering into their mobile estate everything it takes to do their job. So they're really supporting their field workers, their remote workers. So actually, what's your task? How do we help you do your task using mobile services? Meanwhile, what we're trying to do is make sure that the really, really big and important ones that are embedded in our network and the rest of them are securely enabled into that mobile endpoint so that we can help our customers have a really effortless experience and really do what they need to do. It's empower their people to do their jobs. So it's quite an exciting time. It's happening in the backdrop of quite a lot of ambiguity and sort of uncertainty in the market. There's a lot of customers sort of hanging onto their coattails a little bit with changes that are happening around them. So we've got to help them through that uncertainty. Their markets are volatile. Their customer environments are volatile. The labor markets are changing. So we've got to help them work through all of that change that's going on around them as well. Shree, what are you seeing obviously from Mavanti's perspective? There's a lot of opportunity there with what Sally was describing. It's a first, the definition of mobility is expanded exponentially, right? I mean, when people look at mobility they think it's just your phones. One thing we forget is variables, implants. Your digital robots, your autonomous cars, right? Everything from your sensing devices to what you have implants today is all mobility, right? It's the exponential growth of that. From our perspective, we probably will be one of the best beneficiaries of this expansion. Think about us. We don't know the leading mobile device management vendors in the world. I mean, unbeatable vendor there. At the same time, we also bring in amazing mobile threat defense as well. So from our perspective, while everybody's talking about mobile here, that's what we're talking about. I'm scared at one hand, I see the opportunity on the other hand to really bring a mission to the world of securing this frontline workers. Today we look at it as a horizontal. Everything is mobile. Everything needs to be managed. Everything needs to be secured. But when you start virtualizing mobile on okay, what is an emergency device? What is life threatening? What is reliability? What is just regular sensing? You're going to start seeing a different evolution of scrutiny and assurance mobile needs to provide that your endpoint computing had never had to do that. Today, if your computer goes down, it's a bad thing.  You're going to start looking at a very different perspective of what mobility brings to the people thing. Autonomous vehicles is one thing that scares the code of it. While we are very comfortable with aviation, we're not comfortable with cars just going by themselves on the streets yet. Yes, we allow them to do it, but we still have a lot of regulations, right? So those are some of the evolutions. I look at it and say, what can we do as an industry to do better? I mean, you're right, it's not just a smartphone. You know, it used to be that the PC drove the economics of everything technology. And then you remember the iPod?  So there are some big picture trends that are going on in the industry. From BT's perspective, when you zoom out, what are the things that sort of inform you, Sally, in terms of your strategy that you're going to be leaning into over the next decade? So BT is a huge operator. We've got the biggest mobile network in the UK. We've got a network, we support networks in 180 countries. We've got a major security business both for securing our own network, as well as obviously for supporting our customer security. So we draw on all of that to design our products and our services for our customers. And their attack service is changing. You know, it's changing because of how they work. It's changing because they're using cloud more and more. It's changing because criminals are really creative now about how to catch someone when they're off guard. You know, whether or not it's attacking a human being who's not completely in the moment and clicks on the wrong thing or hasn't kept their mobile estate fully up to date and downloaded the latest software or whether it's because something hasn't been properly, hasn't been designed securely. So we need to help our customers think through where are their risks and how do we help them effortlessly protect as much of that estate as possible so that really creative cyber criminals can be kept away from what's precious to our customers and what's precious to their suppliers and their customers. And that takes a lot of thought and knowledge and amazing partnerships to do that really well. We talk about how the partnership with Avanti is enabling that because you mentioned that the threat landscape is changing. It's so amorphous these days and there's only going to be the explosion of mobility mobile devices. Talk about the partnership from BT's perspective and what it's really enabling you to deliver to your own customers. So we've been partners for 10 years. Really trusted partnership, fabulous partnership. So we work hand in hand with our customers, hand in hand with our sales teams, our technical teams. And that means the locks. It means we show up together to our customers and we're both experts and we can give them the best advice. We can help educate if that's what they need. We can partner and design. It's a team sport. And we play that team sport really proudly and really well. I'm really pleased that in March we'll be launching a new secure UEM offer with Avanti for including it free of charge for our SME customers, which means they don't have to think about it. It's just added in by the mobile tariff. You get packaged in secure UEM from Avanti. Don't have to think about it. And then it means they can probably manage their endpoints. They can start to think, well, where is someone? How are they being kept secure? How do I protect them if they've lost their phone or they've left my business or they've joined my business? So we can do all of that for them with this offer. And it makes it easy and effortless for the customer to keep their business secure. And we're really proud of that. We're really proud to do that together. Me, that's really key because the operative phrase was you don't have to think about it. Because if somebody said to me, what's the biggest security challenge out there? I would say it's bad user behavior. So, and there was a period of time where you really, not much you could do about that, but you're referencing what you actually can do about that with automation and the like, but I'm sure there are other challenges. Education is everything though. But I think you've got to reward good behavior, not punish bad behavior. So you've got to try and educate and encourage good practice. And I think that investment in training and awareness is really important. It's really where it starts, isn't it? Lena Smart is the, she's the CISO of MongoDB. And she does this thing where at Mongo, she takes her most sophisticated security pros and puts them together with just everyday people who know nothing about security. And they can see how much they don't know and vice versa. And then that's how they create this culture because it's going beyond the boardroom now. Right? Into the, everywhere, but your thoughts on big challenge. I mean, like Sally just talked about, right? It's the last mile is always the issue. Your user is the weakest, we talk about it. And now we're talking about generated AI, the next weakest link, because we want to feed everything to that. What will that do to us? So you're starting to see the attack vector go and really what we need to do is we need to educate the humans. And we want every user within our organization to take security seriously. And not only, it's not that they don't take seriously, they don't have the awareness. And it's on us to educate them and bring awareness. That's what it is.  With data, you can harm people if you don't pay attention to it. You can create unnecessary consequences and we need to bring that assurance all the way back. Data is something you got to be careful with and there'll be consequences if you don't use it the right way. You brought up a generative AI. I mean, the state of the art email today is warning, this person's outside your organization, be careful. So I presume we can do better as an industry, right? AI is going to change that, is it not? Absolutely. I mean, because today we have come long ways. We used to be falling for Nigerian scams, right? That used to be a running joke. I mean, people used to give up their credentials for a Nigerian scam. You still see that, unfortunately. But today's fishing is a lot more targeted, right? You see spearfishing, things coming from very specific to you. They have context about what's going on today and they're very crafted well. And with generative AI, you can see which one really sticks and you can change up every few seconds, not even minutes. And our detection systems have to be that fast as well. I'm afraid today we're not there because we don't train our models that fast enough. You know, in the US, I heard a stat recently that 50% of the companies don't have a SOC, Security Operations Center. And of course, small businesses, no way they have a SOC. So I know you have some experience in small business, small, mid-sized business. What's the value proposition there that you can share? Yeah, so I think it's really important to recognize that it's actually right. They don't have a dedicated team that focus on doing this. They're dedicated to serving their customers, to managing their cash flow. And they need us to take that load for them because they're so busy. And they're also 24 hours a day. You know, most me's are, they make their share of being super customer centric and being fast and being 24 by seven. But that's also a security risk because it means they can be caught off guard. You know, they can be in an informal zone, suddenly think, oh, that customer's just emailed me, let's click on that and respond. Or, you know, and before they know it, they want a slippery slope where it could be fishing, it could be smishing, it could be ransomware. And we see customer spending weeks recovering from that. Really, really damaging. And then, and for me, that's cash stock. You know, that's customer service stock. So again, I think it's, by packaging in this, without them having to think about it, they can take extra consultancy and advice from us if they need it. And we can work with them to help look at their attack surface and say, well, where could your biggest risks be? What do you most need to worry about? You can't worry about everything. But what do we most need to protect and help you on? So that you're not part of something that is going to damage your business irreparably. So a lot of solutions and a lot of enablement are available from BT and Avanti for SMEs. Where can they go? Is there a URL or a site or an event that they can go to to learn more about how you're going to enable them to tackle those security challenges head on? I mean, I can take that question. I mean, the first most important thing is, security is becoming a data problem. Dave asked a very good question. What about SOC? I mean, the perception of the SOC is, let me detect it when it's happening, or let me go respond after it happened, right? However, we need to move towards the left. We keep talking about shift left from an abstract perspective, but we should shift left from our thinking as well. Can I have proactive? What this really means is, do I understand my attack surface? So that's where our partnership really helps. Because when you look at BT, they're not only a secure connectivity, but the secure computer as well, they're enabling the compute. So they understand what your endpoints are. They understand what you're doing with your, their context of error. So once you have that knowledge with our software, we can truly tell you what your attack surface is. What are you exposed to the internet? What are you exposed internally? That's half the problem. Once that discovery is done, then we can prioritize, okay, if these are the things, this is our attackers are going to attack you. Or this is what your weak point is. Prioritize those, start remediating them, and do that on a continuous basis. That's where the partnership really comes in. I mean, we call it the simplest way. We're dealing with inflation. Top of mind is, do more with less. Small and medium enterprises don't have talent. They can't handle large volumes of data, nor they have the expertise. If they have, they can retain them. So what we bring to the table, we bring the solutions that you can deploy, you can diffuse across, and with the best deflation. Because you don't have to have five people doing it, we bring that as a service, and do it on a continuous basis. That's 3Ds. How do we do it? With data, the domain expertise, and the data models. 3Ds, drop the mic, Sri, that was outstanding. Thank you both so much for spending time with Dave and me today. Really describing the evolution of mobility, the opportunities, what BT and Avantia are doing together, especially to enable those SMEs to have things much more simply on the security side. We really appreciate your insights. Thank you very much. Thanks for having us. Thanks. We're our guests and for Dave Vellante, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage.


Welcome! In this video I want to talk about how to calculate your profits and in the example we're going to use the ETF XRT strangle that we put on. So this was a live trade and I want to walk you through from beginning to end because a lot of people have a hard time kind of figuring out what their overall profit is after you've had to make several roles and adjustments so hopefully this will help out. So let's walk through this first off on December, excuse me, February 22nd on the state here so I've marked them with the shaded ovals. On the 22nd we sold a strangle okay IV was nice and high above that 50 level. It subsequently jumped up even further spiked up and a big move down and it continued to move down and kept going and going and at this point on 321 so almost a month later the price breached our downside break even so it breached our call strike and that's our trigger to make an adjustment okay so what we did is we rolled our calls down okay that's the mechanical thing to do if it tests our put side we're going to roll the untested side down so we rolled the calls down and then price reversed and moved up on us and then moved back down and on this date here we adjusted again we're getting closer to expiration so we wanted to roll that to the next cycle so we rolled out and then price continued to move higher and on this date we rolled out again so this was four seven on five one we were at a point where we needed to roll out to the next expiration again so we did that there and then today on 516 we closed the trade so we put it on back here on 222 closed it out 516 so almost three months okay a lot of times we can be in a trade and make a profit within a number of days or a couple weeks in this case we ended up holding it and rolling and adjusting several times before we got out so let's go back to the slides and take a look at what all that meant from a profit standpoint so here's how we break it down so I copied the exact trade tickets onto the slide here so you can see what our entry was on 222 we sold this for 67 cents and as you can see here we sold five contracts so then on 321 as I mentioned it moved down so we had to roll down the calls so we bought back our 47 calls and we rolled those down to the 42 okay so now we're holding a 41 put and a 42 call okay then for 7 we made our next adjustment where we we rolled our spread to the next cycle and we we kept those strikes the same so you can see 41 42 41 42 so we bought back the 41 42 here and we sold them out in May 42 41 here okay then when we rolled out to the next month on 5 1 we actually moved up our strike one more time because remember price had moved up on us a little bit so we bought back the 42 and the 41 and we just sold the 42 in both of them so we rolled this put from 41 up to 42 collect a little bit more credit so that ended up giving us a 42 straddle right 42 call 42 at the put so that technically is a straddle when you when you have the same strike and then today 5 16 at the time of this recording we bought back the entire position all five contracts 42 put 42 call and for $1 87 debit okay so if we add up these credits so we've got a 67 cent credit that we initially got for placing the trade we took in another 36 cent credit when we rolled down the calls we when we rolled to the next month we collected another 91 cent credit and then we when we rolled to the next month again we collected another 89 cent credit giving us total credits of 283 okay so and then we bought back the position for a buck 87 so 283 minus what we paid for it gives us the total profit of 96 cents multiply that by 100 because each contract controls 100 shares so that gives us a profit of $96 per contract times the five contracts gives us a total profit of $480 okay so the point of this is showing you a how to calculate profits okay after your rolls and adjustments you need to add up the credits this is on a strangle specifically you need to add up the credits and then you subtract any debits or what you bought it back for and that will give you your total total profit and then you have to obviously multiply that times the number of contracts you did and that gives you the dollar amount that you won total on the trade so that shows you how to calculate it the other takeaway here is the fact that you've got to stay mechanical when you need to adjust make the adjustments if you don't need to adjust don't make any adjustments just stay mechanical and this is what can happen over time your your your credits accumulate and they continue to stack up when you buy it back you're going to end up with some profit now this is a really good example just because it illustrates that fact of staying mechanical and how you can profit from just making the necessary adjustments making the necessary rolls and remember we initially took in a 67 cent credit and we ended up with a 96 cent profit so you know over 100% of max profit on the trade just by rolling you know we could have taken we could have taken the trade off at a couple of these other points for a break even or a or a small profit but by just rolling and adjusting and collecting more credit giving yourself more time to be right on the trade we ended up with a nice $480 profit on the trade with you know and this was a pretty small trade XRT is only a you know 40 some dollar stock doing five contracts pretty small trade and a $480 profit so if you look at that from on a percentage basis of the amount of capital that you used for the trade a very significant return so even though it took us a little longer than usual we were in this for a few months as opposed to you know less than one month it still paid off and that just shows you the power of staying mechanical and using the adjustment techniques that we teach if you'd like to learn more about the different strategies that we use to make consistent returns come see us at navigationtrading.com we've got a ton of free resources including the navigation watch list which is a list of the most profitable symbols to trade for each type of strategy we've got the volatility indicator which you've seen on my charts you can download this directly to your thinkorswim trading platform and we've got a free options course called trading options for income which is a step-by-step guide to get you making consistent trades right away we look forward to seeing you there


on what it's supposed to do.  You're monkey recording over there? Yeah, monkey's recording and Bruno's helping me. Give a hand around. I'll zoom in on that. Zoom back out. Come on, zoom back out now. So we're on the lake. Sorry I had to cut you guys off like that, but I'm not playing YouTube's game. This is my video, not theirs. Right, monk? Man, my fire went out. That's my nav light behind me. Hopefully that's better. The reason why I ask about my mic is I'm using this wireless mic that I got sent to me. I need to find out if they got one from my camera. Happy Halloween everyone. I'm sorry about that. It's just, you know, I don't want to look like one of them people that don't know how to hold their phone. You know what I mean? This ain't TikTok. This is She Bear 1000. The light. Sounds good. Wide screen now. Thanks, Brian. Happy Halloween to you, man. I thought we'd come out. We're on the boat. We're on the lake. Thought we'd come out and... It always looks like we're really low in the water at night. Thought we'd come out and we was going to do it. Was it last year or a year before we ended up doing it in the boat, but we was on the trailer in the front yard? Yeah. Was that last year? Was it? Yeah, because it didn't have lights on the trailer or something. Yeah. Brian says happy Halloween. So I thought I'd come out and do a... There she is. Thought I'd come out and do just a short story. Something different, you know, for Halloween. Because I didn't do a story this week. Because I hurt my back last week and it followed into this week. And then it didn't help much when, you know, I was putting those rafters up in the hut. Did it, Monk. So we're not far off shore. We're about a mile. We only came out about a mile. And as you know, it's no wake after dark. And I just had the water guy. Department of Wildlife Management. Did an inspection on me and didn't he? Yeah. I didn't film any of that because this guy was really nice and really cool. He announced himself way before he got to me. I said, I know you're a senior truck. He thought maybe he was going out fishing because he does some fishing too. He wanted to know how things were going. I said, well, we're just... As I went out fishing at night, I said, we usually do, but I told him what we were doing. He said, well, that's cool. And he asked about the life jacket because we have an extra one or two up in there and up in the front just in case. And I'm talking to them, hun. And so I said, well, that's just an extra one. I said, ours is under here. And I left the thing and showed him and he asked me how long the boat was. And I told him, so he gave me an inspection. And he said, well, I showed him registration. He said, all right.  He said, if you want it, you don't have to have one. I said, no, I want. Because I've been wanting to get a safety sticker for this thing for a long time. Pastel flying colors, man. Monkey took the truck across the street to park it. And I was talking to him for a minute before she got there. And like I say, he asked how long it was. This is a 14-foot John Boat. And he was like, man, that thing is decked out. You know, because it's just a John Boat. It looks better on camera and stuff, but it's just a 14-foot John Boat. Yeah. So that's cool. I'll put my sticker on tomorrow. He said, that way other wildlife officers, they'll see that sticker and they won't bug you like I am. Didn't he, hun? Like us, you know, he was cool though.  I set it right beside me. I thought I'm going to have to turn this on. But I didn't. He was really cool. So he didn't ask me for my ID. He just asked, he said, and you are? And I told him he was like, good enough. Didn't check my ID or nothing. Probably because I told him who I was as soon as he asked. I didn't, um, grab the bomb. You know. Now I'm like, yeah, I saw some heat landing. Yeah, so that's all we're doing. I hope this is not rubbing my beard too much. The mic. I like that mic though. Oh yeah. Yeah, I've been wanting, I don't know if I mentioned one of my other videos or not. I wanted to, I've been wanting to go get, go get my sticker because you can just take your boat in and, and they'll come out in the parking lot and inspect it for you. But I know them guys are busy and, you know, they're out doing their things. I didn't want to bother him. He was like, well, that wouldn't have been no bother. And I told him, I said, well, I figured eventually we would run into one of you guys. But the only other time we ran into one was when we was at that other lake, we was at another lake just right down the road from us. It actually connects to this one. Um, it's in Hernando and, um, uh, Guy, help, help me get the boat up to the dock because it's real rough there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's real rough over there. And it started to rain. And I, yeah, it was raining and I had the top up, which makes like a big sale.  And I said, yeah, but I got camera equipment under there. He said, oh, yeah, that'll do it. And he offered for her to go for he, he offered monkey. He says, I can go get the truck back in him for you. He was great. Yeah, he was, he was really cool. He was pouring. He was really cool. Yeah. I said, man, you don't have to, you know, get all that stuff. He said, no, it's for my job. I want to give you a hand. But he never asked us anything for IDs or nothing. He just saw helping hand and got soaked doing it. They're like, man, it's starting rain. You can go to your truck. If you want, he said, no, no, that's all right. It's my job. I'll give you a hand. Yeah, they're all pretty cool down around here. Well, Citrus County, even the deputies are cool except for that one that tried to steal my camera. But the deputies in this county are really nice. We saw a deputy one time in a, at the gas station, pumping gas for an elderly old lady. Remember that? Yeah. I squared off with one out in the parking lot of the burger station. Remember that? He was acting. We were acting like cowboys. He was like, draw. I said, you draw. He said, you first. I know I'm fast. It was really cool. Just out of the blue. Yeah, it was a spur of the moment. Yeah. It's like, what? We couldn't, we couldn't, we couldn't have planned that better, you know? No. No. I'll give it a minute here. And then I'll get on with my good story. Because tonight's story is going to be called the cabin that cried blood. I don't know why I did that. It's Halloween. But, man, we are in some, man, we're being pushed. There's low water. Look behind you. We're in the weeds. Oh no. I didn't even know. I'll show you guys. Man, we are moving. Yeah, that'll be fun to get out of here. And that's the road over there. What is it? 41? Yeah. Is that 41? 44. 44? Yeah. We got two watching. I guess I should have threw the anchor out, but I don't feel like mess with that thing. We're in the lily pads now. Yep. Shoot. Oh, this is getting spookier. Yeah, it's a little scary. Gators are probably underneath us. Oh, let's not talk about that. I shouldn't lay it over this way. Let me turn the camera around. No, we're not moving. It'll stop. Okay, so I'm going to tell my story. Are you still filming? Yeah. How's your battery life doing? All right, so like I said, guys, these stories that I've told you the first two and then this one totally fabricated. None of this happened. As far as I know, because I'm making it up.  That didn't happen. And then I'll know whether they watched the whole video or read the description. But yeah, so Bruno, sit down. Why is he so amped up? He's not upset. He's not upset. He's smiling. We'll just let go of him. I did. All right, he'll be all right. So anyway, yeah, they're just stories I made up just for Halloween time. They're not, they're not true stories, but. So anyway, I don't know if it'd be better if I, yeah, well, I just do this. There we go. Now I got some light. All right. Hopefully it's not too windy. I've never had this mic out in the wind. So anyway, all right. Didn't bring my bug spray, but the wind didn't pick up, which is a good thing in a way because it should help keep the mosquitoes away. But it might be bad, but it's coming from my back. So hopefully it's not too bad for you guys. All right. So on with the story. Well, first cigarette. Mike sounds good, real strong. Awesome. Thanks, Brian. I'm glad. I'm surprised I got service out here. I actually have 4k out here, which is unusual for me because if we're, we're about two and a half miles as the crow flies to the near cell phone tower at the house, we're only a mile from cell cell phone tower as the crow flies. And if I start walking down the street, I start losing service. So I'm surprised I got it out here. So all right, guys. So the cabin that cried blood. There was this couple, and they wanted to do something special for their anniversary. Their names were Brian and Marla. Just kidding. Like I said, I'm making this story up. I don't know. I guess their names doesn't really matter because they're not real people. But anyway, so they found some cabins for rent and they wanted to spend the weekend in a cabin. It wasn't far from their house, you know. They were, you know, it was a couple of hour drive, so it wasn't far. So they called and they reserved their cabin. This place had a lot of cabins and they were dispersed out over many, many acres over a couple of mile road out in the middle, you know, up in these hills in these woods. And so they got their cabin, and like I said, they had like 18 cabins for rent. And so they rented cabin three. So they're going up this road and it's starting to get dark already on them, but they get to their cabin, they get to cabin three and it's beautiful. Nice big cabin, you know. It's two bedroom, bathroom, it was a cabin, but it was one of those really nice ones, like a chandelier that lit up real pretty and the living room, you know, made out of animal antlers, you know, almost said antelopes, but antlers.  The whole nine yards, you know, had a jacuzzi and they just couldn't wait to start enjoying it.  They started hearing some thumps and bangs and, you know, maybe some voices here and there and they thought, well, you know, we're from the city, you know, we don't know, we don't go out in the woods much, so maybe it's an animal outside or what.  They got some music playing and all once they heard this bang, like a big thump on the side of the wall, but they couldn't tell which wall, they just heard this big thump and it startled them. So they put the cards down, shut the music off and they just started listening. And they was hearing this stuff. Chupacabra. Somebody said Chupacabra. So, happy Halloween. So anyway, so they heard this bang and, you know, they're kind of scared. Like I said, they're city folks. This guy, he don't have a weapon, you know, he don't carry a gun.  I don't carry a gun.  So they each grabbed a knife and they're just sitting there and all at once, bam. It sounded like a door slammed upstairs in one of the bedrooms upstairs. So he tells his wife, he says, look, stay here, I'm going to go upstairs and check this out. He goes upstairs and goes to check it out. Rockwell said, happy Halloween to both of us. So, you know, he's up there, he's checking that both doors were open. Okay. So, you know, nothing got slammed.  And we should have went farther out in the lake. But, well, I didn't want to get too late. So, you know, so it wasn't like a draft had blown one of the doors closed or anything like that. So he's checking around, he sees nothing. And then he hears his wife hollering for him. She's like, I can get down here right now. And he comes running down the stairs. He's like, what's wrong? Did you see something, somebody here? She's like, no. Look over there and she points it over on the wall. And there's this liquid oozing down the wall. And he was like, hmm, that's peculiar. So, of course, being a guy, he's got to go see what the stuff is, right? And he goes and looks at it. He's looking at it real close. What is that? What could that be? I don't know. It's like a brownish color. And then she said, oh my God, it's over here too. And over on the other wall, there were several streams of this liquid coming down. But it was getting lighter this time, more bright. It turns out it was red. And so he touches it and he looks at his fingers and he's like, well, this ain't paint. So he surmises this has got to be blood. So all of a sudden, the fire keeps going out. It's too windy. So all of a sudden, the bangs started getting louder and harder and more. I'm just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And it was like, sound like just somebody slamming a door and, you know, just like the house, the cabin was like vibrating, right?  We're getting out here. We're calling the owner. We're getting our money back. They left their stuff. They said, you know, we'll get our stuff the next day, tomorrow or something. We're out of here right now. So they ran out, got in their car, and they called the owner. And the owner, you know, said, well, look, I don't know what's going on there. I've never had a problem. He says, we've got 18 cabins. I've never had a problem like this before. I'm on my way. He says, what cabin did you rent again? And she said, well, we rented cabin three. He said, okay. So he shows up about, you know, 25 minutes later. He shows up and they're sitting there and they get out of the car and owner gets out of his truck and he comes up and he says, so what are you guys doing here? And they said, what do you mean? What are we doing here? We rented cabin three. It's cabin three. He says, no. It's cabin 13. He said, look, and when they turned around and looked at this cabin, it was all of a sudden just old dilapidated.  And sure enough, there was a number three on the cabin. Only it was cabin 13, but the one had fallen off over the years. He said, no. He says, I gotta tell you, we haven't rented this cabin in like 20 years because he said we did have, there was a murder, you know? Somebody got tore up inside that cabin and he said we just closed it off and it's never been used since. And they're dumbfounded. They look at each other and they're like, what is going on here? We were just in there. This cabin was beautiful. He said it was a beautiful cabin when we used to rent it up until the tragedy happened. And she said, no, no, no, no. We were in this cabin. He says, it's impossible. He said, no, sir, she's telling you the truth. We were in this cabin. Our things are in there. So they go in and just the men, she stayed outside and the men go in to get his things. Happy Halloween, Dennis. And so he, you know, they're getting their stuff and this guy couldn't believe it. Everything was just covered in an inch of dust and it was just, you know, all tore up inside and that beautiful chandelier was barely hanging on and it was all broken up.  Their things had no dust. So they grabbed their things and then went out and he's putting their things in the car. And she's like, sir, I don't know what's going on here but we have not moved out of this spot since we called you. We were in there. We were settled in. We were playing cards because the cards were still on the table. The wine was still there. And he said that that may be so, ma'am, but you know, this cabin I'm telling you was not, it was beautiful at one time, but you can see what it looks like now. She said, it was beautiful. It was immaculate. Everything worked. And she said, when I turned on the chandelier, she said, I was just in awe. It was so beautiful. And he said, ma'am, I'm going to tell you one more time. That's impossible. That chandelier cannot work. And she said, I'm telling you, sir, I turned that chandelier on and it was beautiful. And he said, ma'am, take a look at this. And he shined his flashlight up at the power pole and there were no wires running to that cabin anymore. And that's the story of the cabin that cried blood. What do you think, Monk? Monk, you like that story? Man, the fire keeps going out. Must be having something going on over there. But yeah, so that's not at the park. The park's over there. But yeah, so anyway, guys, I just wanted to come out here with you guys real quick and thank you, Dennis. Dennis, a good story. But yeah, he said, happy Halloween from their house to ours. But as you can see, Dennis, we're not at the house. We're on the boat. We're on the lake. So yeah, I got inspected sitting there at the dock waiting on her to go park the truck and trailer. But I got my inspection sticker. Everything's good. So it's actually legal now. I can legally take somebody out fishing and charge them money for it if I want. Yeah? Yep. Oh. Deb Hawthorne said scary. But yeah, like I said, I just made it up as I went along. Usually when I have stories like this, you know, they're somewhat true or third party true. You know what I mean? True to the best of my ability. But these ones, you know, totally made up. Like that last one, I totally made it up. The muddy footprints one. Yeah, it was totally made up. And the first one, the ghost. Yeah, the ghost guy. He ended up being a ghost. That was made up too. So anyway, hope you all are having a safe and happy Halloween. I'm going to have a fun time getting out of here. Yeah. I'll show you.  Shine the light over there. These are all lily pads we drifted into. We came from over there. Yeah. And we drifted all the way. Now we drifted through right through here. And over here. Over here. So yeah, lily pads are like, it's that grassy stuff that gets caught up in the prop. The lily pads, we don't, you know, it doesn't catch up in the prop or anything. So. All right, guys. Anyway, Monk, anything you want to say? Let me turn you around. Yeah. Monkey was filming. She wanted to film the story. So check her channel out. The story will be on there. But from a different angle. There you go. Yeah. Because she's never done a scary story. No. Because she's more like crafts and adventures and stuff. So. But she wanted to do something different. It's Halloween. I said, you going to film it? She said, I think so. So, yeah. Let's see. Rockwell. One nine seven oh one. I said, gave him goosebumps. But yeah, Bruno wanted to come. So. Oh, Mark's adventures said happy Halloween. Happy Halloween, Mark. And Deb Hawthorne, Dennis, Brian. I appreciate y'all. And like I said, hope y'all are staying safe. And I will have a, I will be having a. What is it? November 25th. One more story. All right. I guess I can do one more story. Am I zoomed in or? This seems. All right. All right. I'll make up a quick one here on the spot. Okay. So. All right. See that's the light from. My nav light. On me. So I'll give you one more quick one and then we'll. We'll go because I got to get out of here. There's the moon there.  That's pretty cool. Okay. All right. One more story. Let's see. Oh, first though. Yeah. November 25th. I'll be. Doing a camp out a solo camp out from my Thanksgiving one. I won't be doing that live because I can't. I can't go live where I'm going to be at because I'm going to be out in the forest. And then sometime in November or I mean in December about midway through December, I'll do my annual solo. It's on this lake, but it's going to be on a little island. So that should be fun. Yeah. All right. One more quick story. So there was this guy. Bought him a new tent. He wants to do a YouTube review on it. So he's never YouTubeed or anything. Never went camping before, but he wants to go all out.  If I like it, I'll start camping and make camping videos. But he said, I'll start with the review of this tent and this camping equipment I got. So he gets out to his campsite. He's out Wyoming somewhere way out in the middle of the, you know, he's out there, you know, and, you know, he's never been spooked before, but he's never been camping. But, you know, he's been by himself and stuff. So he goes out. He sets up his tent and he's doing these filming and everything. And, and he's talking to the camera and, you know, telling the people a little jet. It just landed over at the, uh, we're not far from the airport. We're about a mile and a half as a crow flies to know to two to two and a half miles as a crow flies. But so anyway, um, where was I?   You know, he's looking around probably just an animal because it's starting to get late. You know, he's got his lights on and it's probably, you know, 10, 10, 30 at night. So he keeps on talking. He's like, well, you know, I got this, this was our Carol 10. I got achieved. Got it. You know, Wally world and blah, blah, blah. This time much closer and much louder. So he's looking around again. He's not armed. He didn't bring anything. He's like, oh my, what is this? Who's there? Who's there? He didn't hear anything for a minute. And then once he heard another step and he said, I said, who's there? He lied. He says, I am armed. And as soon as he said that, he heard a voice and seemed like a shadow figure. And the shadow figure says, I didn't mean to scare you. He said, I camped here years ago and I think I left some of my stuff.   You know, that was years ago. It's probably gone. I didn't take any of your stuff. This is all my stuff. And before he realized it, the shadow was gone. He didn't hear anything else the rest of the night. So the next day he can't, he's trying to figure out, what was that noise? What was it? He's like, wait a minute. I have it on camera. Sure enough, he checks his camera and all his, you know, all his footage is on his camera. And he starts going through the footage. And everything's working except for the part where the man, the figure showed up and was talking to him. That was a corrupted file, would not work. He went home, couldn't get it to work on any of his computers, his laptops or anything. It was a corrupted file. Through the whole weekend that was the only file that was corrupted. So he, it just bothered him for a couple of weeks, you know, he's kind of lingered on it. So he started Googling about the area where he camped in. It turns out that area was not open for camping anymore. Apparently the sign had rotted and fell down and it wasn't open because someone was brutally murdered there when they were camping. And when the authorities found him, all his stuff was there and he was mutilated. So the only thing he could figure was that was that man's spirit coming back to get the camping equipment that he had left behind. So there you go. Another quick story. So you got two for, you got two for one tonight. There you go. That makes up for the one you did there. Yeah. So hopefully, excuse me, hopefully you guys enjoyed story time. And if you want more stories like this, I can throw, you know, I can do one once a month or something and do a scary story. And I'll put it in a playlist. It would just be scary story time. Yeah. Because usually I always have a story time when we're camping. I always tell a story, but it's not always scary. But if you guys like the spooky stuff, I don't know how scary these were. But if you like these spooky stories, I can, you know, do one a month or whatever. We'll go out and we'll hike back maybe to that cabin one night. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll, so let me know. And if you're watching this after the fact, leave it down in the comments. If that's what you want me to do. And I'll be glad to bludge on that. So anyway, guys, thanks again for watching. Appreciate it. You guys are great. You know, there would be no Shade Bear 1000 without you guys, you know. So it helps a lot. And monkey, same way, check her channel out. She's grown a little bit now, huh? Yep. So she's getting, I'm getting her hooked up with better equipment. So we're going to head back to the truck. Well, back to the ramp. She's got to go get the truck. And then we're going to try to get this thing loaded. And we'll see y'all in the next one. Shade Bear, the methamanel edge. I'm gone for now. Stay spooky, everyone. We'll see you in the next one. Happy Halloween. Bye-bye.


For example, if you want to ask me a question, I would like to ask you a question. Harmony is hard. Sorry, it's my first time. Alright, so we're brought to you channels and we have stickers for everyone. Montreal Python stickers. We have some here, some over there and some over at the snacks. And of course, you can have two of those, like you put one on your laptop. And the other one, you can give it to your girlfriend or boyfriend. You can also put it on your parents' laptops if you want. Of course. And we're going to be back at around 7.35. We're going to have Jonathan Lassard who's going to be talking about rapid prototyping for games in Python with Blender. After him, we're going to have three talkers. It's going to be Nikola Kaddou, Nikola Ash and Alice Biven McGregor. And they're going to be also talking about the Inferno... I'm sorry, the Inferno, an exercise in balancing heaven and earth while building the Bachelor of Facebook game. Sorry. And right after this presentation, which will end at 8.30, we are all invited to cross the street and to enjoy two free beers at the Benenix. So it's going to be two beers given by the Sith and by Benenix themselves. I don't know who's going to have some stickers, but... Thank you. We have a few announcements to make today. Next Friday, the 19th of November, Montréal opened a sprint in Montreal. It's about open data. Montréal-Piton is going to participate officially in this sprint. So we're going to launch the announcement on our website. You are invited to participate in the sprint. If you have ideas for the sprint of Python code, you can do it to advance the open data in Montreal. So, of course, we would like to thank the sponsors that are allowing us to have this great event. So thank you for our Q&A's, Luzia, Benenix, who are going to be offering the first beer. Of course, we come for a space. There's going to be the Sith. I think they're the other ones who are offering the beer at Benenix. It's about Benenix. Those are the ones who are paying for the snacks. And of course, I went.


Hi! I'm Beth Armstrong. I'm the Associate Director of Recruiting at VaynerMedia. I've previously worked at Deutsche Advertising, Sachi & Sachi, and Ogilvy & Meather. Let's dive into these resumes. I will start by saying I love a designed resume. Every recruiter will have their own preference but I appreciate this layout. I think it's nice and clean. It's not too overly crowded. Pictures on resumes is a hot button issue with us recruiters. Some of us really don't like it. I'm indifferent to it personally. The name is nice and big at the top but my first impression is oh my god words. This is cluttered feeling and making me feel a little claustrophobic. I almost feel like you would benefit from changing the layout so you can fit more words on the page. I want you to represent yourself well and I feel like a cluttered resume like this is a bit of a turn off to a recruiter. I love your education section. It's very clear. However, it's very long. You could definitely cut it down a bit. Bachelor of Arts Advertising, Bachelor of Arts Psychology. You could say I'm a double major. I don't need this expected graduation date. You have 2016-2019 right here. GPA. I know some recruiters really love knowing people's GPAs. I don't care either way if it's on your resume or not. I don't need a full address. A lot of people are still putting full addresses in there. I don't need to know your street, your house number. I don't need that information. I just need to know your location. New York, New Jersey, Connecticut. Where are you? Let's move over to this side. Objective. I love that it says a lot about you but it doesn't tell me where you're looking to go. How can I help you? Your resume is a message to the recruiter. How can I help you achieve your career goals? That's what this objective is for. Sometimes I get lost when I see resumes like this because there are so many different internships you've had that focus on different things. Just make it clear when you are applying to a job what you're interested in and what your motivation is. Let's look at your experience. First thing I'm noticing is that a later date is at the bottom part of the resume. I would bump this up. You want your resume to go from most recent to past. You want to make sure that everything that you're presently doing is in present tense so manage and monitor social media accounts on a daily basis. With this resume what I'm noticing is that you like to put all your eggs in a basket. Let's divide them up and better define what these roles were and break down your bullet points.  Don't be afraid to show off everything that you've done delivering key insights to develop effective and unique strategies. That is a meaty sentence. I know what that is. I know exactly what you've done. That's very cool. Feel free to go onto two pages. I know a lot of people try to keep it on one. It's okay to go on to two just so long as it makes sense to go on to two. If it's like two sentences that run onto the second page try to make it fit on to one. Lead a team of eight planners. I love it. Shows that you have management experience. I love that you have leadership in here. This is so lovely.  It shows that you're entrepreneurial. I love that you have your awards listed. You know in advertising we love our awards. I love that you do have these certifications with media. These are so hot right now. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today. I wish you the best of luck with graduation. This is a really exciting time. I'm Beth Armstrong signing out.