Welcome to the 72nd edition of the red man group. I am your host and moderator Donovan Sharp We are presented in part by the 21 convention Which is less than a month away guys July 18th through the 21st the 21 convention will be in Warsaw, Poland tickets are still available I am actually going to put the link in the chat right now very good. So I put the link in the chat right now You can also get the link in the description of this video You can also get tickets to October's event in Orlando Which goes down October 24th through the 27th but act now because the earlier you buy the more you save All right, let's get right to it guys today We are discussing a very important topic that the vast majority of men red pill aware or otherwise are grossly Unaware of and it's the necessary Sacrifices a man must make to have a good relationship with a woman. We talk a lot about The necessary changes you have to make like your mindset your physique your financial outlook your spending habits and so forth And if you're here if you're watching the show, you already know that keeping your high value is the only real way To mitigate you can never really avoid you can never really guarantee that a woman's never going to screw you over But keeping your value high is a way to at least mitigate The damage a woman could do if you don't keep your shit together Now we also talk on the other side about the sacrifices women need to make to get and keep a man in demand Like giving up girls nights out getting and staying in shape social giving up social media attention and validation seeking Keeping in contact with their exes and so on and so forth But what is almost never discussed are the sacrifices that men have to make and I can guarantee you that most of you guys Watching you guys haven't heard of these and I didn't go as far as to say that some of our panelists were joined by Steve and Anthony today. We've got other guys that are going to drop in I Can I can almost guarantee that you guys haven't really thought of these either? So it'll be interesting to get everyone's organic reactions to these but before we go ahead and get started Let me quickly introduce the today's panel first up We have Anthony dream Johnson then of course we have Steve the Dean Williams. How's it going guys? You know going pretty good man glad to be glad to be back and setting up the multi-stream to 21 studios and our Twitter accounts too Excellent. Yeah, we are streaming live right now to 21 studios the red man group channel I think we're having trouble with Twitter and Facebook. I think but we're just I think those are the only two mediums are streaming on right now, correct Yeah, Twitter. I think it's going but it's just weird the multi-stream thing We'll switch to software next time, but it'll be fine next time. I think it's live on Twitter in the meantime Perfect. Perfect. Steve. How's it going brother? Man, it's going man hanging out with y'all man. I think good good good stuff So let's go ahead and get started here I'm gonna talk about some of the some of the sacrifices that men have to make and and again I want to get you guys as honest opinion on these because I think I don't know Maybe we'll have some disagreements. Maybe we'll have some maybe we'll have some pushback here But the first sacrifice you have to make is your woman has to be introverted and let me explain what I mean by this Eliminable man and I we talked about this extensively on my show a little over three years ago As a matter of fact, it was actually back around Valentine's Day of 16 And I was still living in Reno deciding and you know trying to decide whether or not I wanted to move to Phoenix or Philly I obviously ended up here in Philly. Anyway, having a wife or girlfriend who is an extrovert does have its advantages, okay? Unfortunately, none of those advantages have anything to do with the actual strength of your relationship an Extroverted female gentlemen what that ends up doing is that draws attention to both her to herself both directly and Indirectly both good and bad so strictly speaking in relationship terms a necessary sacrifice is a woman's outgoing Personality she's got to be an introvert and the main reason is that introverted females draw far less attention to themselves Which drastically reduces the odds of creating opportunities for infidelity Anthony What are your thoughts on foregoing the the extrovert the outgoing?  They love this kind of play this kind of The interplay between you know male and female like that So that's the most important thought with it is that you know women love sacrificing period whether it's girls nights out Or spending three hours cooking you dinner If you have the value and the masculinity to earn that they want to give it to you right and they want that kind of relationship I think 90% of women dumb stuff stuff. It's not a fetish. It's like this is human life And this is human nature of play in like a really important way No, no that perfectly answers my question and you bring up a very good point you said it's not a It's not a fetish, right and a lot of guys think well, it's you know It's it's a fetish if you want an introverted girl because they want to be dominated No, this is the way of woman like this is how this works. Steve. What are your thoughts on this? Yeah, I'm gonna go the other side of the spectrum I don't look at a woman as far as being introverted or extroverted because if you think about it, let's look I mean and I talked about this at the 21 convention if you know, if you're at A job doesn't look at a person's introvert or extrovert They look at him to see if they get the job done at the end of the day So I don't look at a woman to sit there.  I mean that I mean just like that just like my mind said And I kind of answer you again that sacrifice I hate using that word but I understand where the word is coming from but to me the the greatest sacrifice is Replacement, I mean and that's not even a sacrifice, but I don't you know a lot of women women are just what they are You know what I mean and I came for us an introvert to be extrovert more or less an extrovert to be Introvert you can't you can't force that in somebody But what you can do it real quick what you can do is when you have your standard see to me It's all about the man.  It's your fault you selected that girl if one of your standards if your standard is okay I don't really need to be with a woman who is extroverted Opposites attract you at the compliment one another if you have an extroverted man and an extroverted woman, okay That's that's all well and good strictly for the purposes of Reducing the odds of her running around on you You want a woman who is not as likely to draw attention to herself both directly and indirectly if you're attracted to extroverted females Great, and I would even go with Steve on this it is it's something of an accomplishment to get with an extroverted girl But when she's around you she's introverted because that means she is submitting to you Yeah, you know what I mean? So if she's the life of the party everywhere else she goes but then when she's with you she's subdued There's something to be said about that but again when she is that extroverted person when she is not with you She is more likely to Draw I guess Unwanted attention as far as your concern so no this doesn't have anything to do with make guarding This has to do with making sure that you have what you want before you go after because if you get with an extroverted female And then complain this that she's extroverted. That's on you my dude Like that's the way that goes so and again I'll use Devin as an example her and I are completely the opposites obviously I'm an extrovert she is an introvert that is one of the main reasons I decided to give her a shot for a long-term relationship because I know that when she's not with me at least as far as I know She's not as likely to draw attention to herself when she's not with me Donovan real quick. I'd like to say this okay when it comes to and I this is what I love about this We just how we thinking in all this. I love this.  I mean, I just know Dr. Phil or marriage counseling. It's over with She's right now when she gets with someone who is less of a man that Okay, honey, it's okay And you know you have the guy friends and you can go out and party and all that other stuff You got to stand something women want Somebody to dominate them and if you're not dominate her in your relationship Whatever you're not guys get your crayons out Doing in your relationship She is always going to be looking for outside of it So the extrovert is going to be looking for someone when of dominance now not to not to maybe not marry She might want to sleep with them or something like that to get a feeling of what it's like to be with like, you know Like I'm gonna use a one set a second bottle fix me that goddamn sandwich You what if she's at home and the guy's like is it okay if you fix me a sandwich in you know Can you please do this and you know don't worry about it? Oh, I'll fix it.   Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so I want to add on this to that on in terms of you know personality type extroverted introverted or whatever else Extroverted personality would scream to me like attention-seeking and that even if she was a certain behavior step before you met her If she didn't dramatically tone that down for you Well, hey, that's not heard not submitting to your frame assuming.   That's dominant That's not dominance.   So when I there's context to this kind of language I'm all about manners.     Oh, yeah, but but again, I totally agree with you No woman can be trusted but within the confines of a sexual relationship between a man and a woman If you want a woman who is less likely to put herself in position either directly or indirectly to cheat on you misbehave an Introverted be an introverted woman is far less likely to do that and I'll end I'll actually go on to the other side here To me this is this comes down to selecting a female who is likely to who is less likely to be misbehaved We all love extroverted girls. They're fun better sex, etc And so when you select an extroverted girl that is a high risk high reward, correct? Like high risk I would the more extroverted she is the more likely she is to attract male attention The more introverted she is the less likely she is to attract male attention This isn't to say that the introverted girl can't and won't attract male attention Well done of it. I'd like to disagree with you here a little bit. Okay. Yeah, please You said you can't trust woman. I trust some and deeply I trust them to be women Oh for me That's that that's been part of my ripple journey is I really just like it doesn't matter to me Like I trust them to be women I trust them to be biologically consistent and behaviorally consistent with how they've evolved so I trust them to be women which means, you know They speak Well, you know they speak womanese as you put it Donovan absolutely You have to constantly read through What they say rarely do they speak overtly and directly?  So you got to watch them. You got to trust but verify That's that's a part of I think that's that's the only rational way to trust woman This is the trust but verify because they're like giant children. Well, this was SCO to 492 He says introverted women can't always be trusted either. I think that when I agree with you You can only trust women to be women the trust I think that we're discussing here is the integrity of your relationship and as far as I'm concerned You can't you can never trust women just like you said trust but verify We do things to mitigate the trust and all this other kind of stuff One last thing I want to make on this is actually has to do with what you said about submitting to your frame It doesn't matter if she's an introvert or or an extrovert if she submits to your frame It doesn't really matter to that. I would disagree. I think I see I want my woman Okay, I want her to submit to my frame whether she is with me or not because you can have an extroverted girl who appears to be Introverted around you but when she's not around you she's still getting all of that male attention now It could just be attention and you might be the high-value male. She just might like to flirt around This is just what all women do but introverted girls are much more likely to submit to my frame when I am not with Them than extroverted girls are this isn't to say that you couldn't have one without the other But in my mind this comes down to selecting a woman who is less likely to put herself To put herself in a precarious position to violate your trust or the quote-unquote Sanctity of the relationship and it's my opinion that introverted girls are just better off for that.  Yeah Women look women are gonna get hit on all the time So there's nothing that I can say or do about the hit on but She's gonna she needs to know what the repercussions of if she takes the hit to another level If she walk because you see when you're doing it, right? The thing for a lot of guys is weird is when you're doing it, right?  I can't no no listen I want to make clear. I'm not I'm definitely not talking about that like I'm not No, no, no, I'm not saying you okay saying for those that are listening.  I mean, I really I only care about me.  If I'm with you you're representing me in my name So you better act and behave like you are representing me and until if I catch it that you're not You're going now again.  Well, we done but other than that. See I got options And when you have options, that's when they act correctly to the man that has options But if you don't have options She's gonna be looking for somebody because there's no there's nobody else that wants you women What would other women have so regardless? She's intra or extroverted if you have the options She's more like less like let more likely to follow your lead if she knows that you ain't the only one Absolutely. Let me let me rebuttal with this Introverted girls and extroverted girls they get hit on all the time. There is no doubt about it but extroverted girls get hit on more and the reason for that is because she's simply more outgoing she is she is an extrovert and a Natural byproduct of her personality means more attention to herself Here's another thing as a man and anybody who's watching this you have to understand cuz Steve said something that's very important There is nothing you can do Okay, if your woman even if your woman is mildly attractive men are going to hit on her wedding ring or not Even if she has a tattoo of her boyfriend's face on her face doesn't matter dudes are gonna holler and the reason I know this is because I hollered as well I know there's nothing I can do especially when I'm not there and I also want people to understand that I'm not saying that introverted girls never attention whore No, I am simply saying that introverted girls are less likely to Attention whore and draw attention to themselves to me. I'm playing the odds, right is Let me play doubles advocate here don't introverted women if they do seek attention are gonna be much more sneaky and covered about it Oh, yes personality type very good. Yeah, I've heard me. I've heard me doesn't care, right? I agree and introverted girls do do it on the sneak tip but extroverted girls They might not be as covert as introverted girls, but more people see I guess the slut transponder introverted girls attention whore on the low There's no question about that But more more again extroverted girls just draw more attention to themselves and Here's the thing they introverted girls do attention whore But they're not not nearly as much as extroverted girls and I think I can speak for all three of us when I say this none of us Here are going to put a gun to a woman's head because if you if you have to put a gun to woman's head Or if you have to quote-unquote lock her in a proverbial cage Then you're doing it wrong. She's either going to submit to your will or she is not there is nothing you could you can't control another woman's behavior You can only control your own but for me Introverted girls are much better behaved if you can handle an extroverted girl. That's fine. I've handled extroverted girls But for me as far as I'm concerned extroverted girls to me That's playing the game on that I don't want to say playing the game on hard mode but Extroverted girls to me are much less likely to put themselves either directly or indirectly in harm's way as a word as a word Steve I'll give you the last word.   Good shot.  Please give me some more dick and come So what I'm saying is you have that introvert to that might be who has never had access or met a man to pull that out of her guys Yeah, but I So following up on what Steve just said my and my own experience One of the reasons women love to be dominated genuinely where they're eager for it and reaching for it And then you provide it. You're like, yeah, you want to be dominated.  Yeah, there's there's a couple different reasons I do that I think like biologically and second psychologically and stuff like there's there's they're seeking things They don't have obviously that's why they want it. They don't go after what they already have They go after what they don't have but I think a big reason I've never heard anyone really talk about is what steep Well other than what Steve just said he's one of the first guys I've heard say it Women are seeking this dominance because it's a form of self-expression for them and you have to unlock that for them They don't do it on their own. They're not like men men. I think are the flip side of this We create our masculinity. We generate our masculinity over time.  You have to become a man and it takes time and takes all kinds of trials and shit But for women it doesn't it's not like that. It's different You know men and women are different going back to the fundamentals of the red pill and they they need dominance to do that You unlock that for them and that might be just you know doing some simple stuff like, you know Just doing some stuff like Steve was a sand. It might also be much more specific like a really dominant move But they never been like kind of like haven't been turned out in other words, right?  I'm sure If women have long hair even when I meet them in a bar or club I'll take their long hair and I'll wrap it around their neck and I'll start as I make an album I'll start like kind of choking them with their own hair and it's very obvious what I'm doing And I'm not like choking them choking minutes in the pub.     It just a one just clicked or something guys What do you what book out there?  She is more insecure.  That was real brother. Listen. I'll actually listen.  Women don't want to be women want one Christian grave because if everybody's a Christian grave and there are no Christian graze So you take that introverted girl you turn her into that extroverted sluts what you have created is the is the Unicorn right the proverbial unicorn you want to be a lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets Again, and here's the thing if let's say you take an extroverted girl and you turn her out And extroverted girl is going to be more likely to look for that in other well I don't know. I think introverted girls too, but extroverted girls put out that slut transponder So so you turn out an introverted girl that may be well and good But now it depends on you and this is where I agree with Steve that now it depends on you Okay, I just turned out this introverted girl and now she's this extroverted slut Who are you gonna truck? Who is less likely to go out and try to be that extroverted slut after you turned her out the natural Extrovert or the introvert that you just turned out. It's gonna be that natural extrovert Let me let me comment in this too like when we say turn these woman out I think what we're doing that's that's a crude way to put it which take on the forehead.  This is my basic You know fundamental theory. It's very basic, but I think I think it's correct They should have sex with as few men over a lifetime as possible But they should have as much sex as possible with those men.  You've been you know plating her.     She said she only blew them.  It's it was you know, it's like great. It's like cringe woman ease.  That's why you wanted that's why that's why that was unlocked through dominance And they couldn't unlock it on their own because they don't have the self-control or self-discipline to do it You did and you exerted that on them when they wanted it and I created something beautiful.   Let me um, let me run something else by you guys It is my assertion and I think the reason why I'm more attracted to introverted girls and extroverted girls is because to me being Extroverted is generally a masculine trait It I think extroverted body language to like if a man sits down, you know, we cross our legs Or we you know, we like to spread and take up space Well when females sit down it is very ladylike and dainty to cross their legs and make themselves as small as as small as humanly possible What are you what are you guys's thoughts on extroversion being more masculine and introversion version being more feminine in Terms of out in the public now again when you get her in bed, she can be as extroverted as she want right But you want that freak of the sheets, but Steve what are your thoughts on that? Well see I love I'm a proponent of public displays of affection. I okay.   I don't okay But as far as come to masculine, I don't really feel like it's masculine. I I oh That's just part of what her makeup now again if she's wearing jeans and she's got a Five o'clock beard I Want her to have fun, but a woman wants to be a woman around a real man She doesn't right like when you're a real man She wants to be woman because she wants to show the whole world an extrovert that is that this is my man and you can't have her and What it was sexy to some women is something to some men some guys like when other guys look and gawk at their women When I when I was a when I was jiggaloo, and I had a client that his his woman He would just let her walk in the mall in front of them like like I don't know 10 10 15 feet or whatever And just watch that the men look at her and that turned them on so everybody's got the little kink and stuff But for me, I don't mind her being extroverted. That makes all the sense in the world With when she but when she's with a real man Her extroverted becomes like more passionate more fun and more playful because she's more about like say public displays of affection Right then then the introvert Anthony your thoughts. That's a good point. That's a very good point Yeah, in terms of masculine feminine and then introversion extroversion. I'm not sure Either one goes either way like they both apply to both sexes in different contexts So I'm actually very introverted myself, but through the Pick-A-Bartist community through doing cold approaches Yeah, well, so if we're doing public speaking all these things I do are they're very extroverted But these are skills that I've learned and that they didn't come naturally to me. I wasn't like that I'm still don't like that.  It's a challenge like I treat pick up like the Olympics, right?  Like even the Tinder girls I try to go I got the sub I've had like four or five now sub ten minute lays the whole Olympics exactly. It's awesome the dream Olympics, right? So in for women too, I don't know introvert extrovert. That's kind of an odd question. I feel Good good. Here's here's actually here's what I'm gonna say check this out I think and I and and Steve actually made me think of this I think as men depending upon what our goals are for that day. We like a challenge. Okay Extroverted girls to me They're much more of a challenge and when you make a girl who is outgoing and extroverted and all those other kind of stuff When you make her submit to your will to me that is much more gratifying than doing it with an introverted girl Because an introverted girl is almost already there, right? She's introverted. She's already submissive well me go ahead Here's what I'm getting at to like look at look at men for example You have introverts, you know men are dominated the STEM field for a long time and they should There's and there's different biological and you know reasons with how the male the male brain works that we dominate and science technology Engineering and math and stuff like that women don't women women dominate in social fields professions, right? Maybe like it's a receptionist. Maybe she's a waitress.  You have the dambles area and you have the cobertase.  There's like a spectrum obviously of masculinity There's a spectrum of beta to alpha behavior cues, right? Then you have personality types then you have like differences in the brain But you know brain between literally like the neurobiology of men and women That's why when you say like, you know masculinity and femininity and that extroversion introversion To me, that's like a really complex question that I feel I don't know if we can answer on this in my opinion I don't think so either.  I Want to see I always love to challenge myself Because you never know what you're gonna run into so that's why I used to talk to all women, right? I never because everybody's different. So you like I say the warrior must always be prepared and Which you're gonna walk into but when you are prepared for an extrovert and you know how she is and you know that it's good Like I say when you again, I'm not I'm not the best fisher fisher.  I'd actually like to get your your personal preference Your personal preference and why for me as far as introvert versus extroverts I like extroverted women for one night stands.  We all know this this is basic math If I'm gonna have that much skin in the game me personally I want I want my risk to be mitigated as much as possible a lot of and Steve I know we've heard this a lot a lot of black women are just They're Masculinely extroverted like a motherfucker, right and what is what's the thing?  Well, my answer to that is you know what? I can handle a strong black woman, but I'm sure you could handle a bratty kid That doesn't mean you want to either so while I believe it is very important Just like Steve said to keep that sword sharp Okay, to me it's it to me It's equally important to make sure that the woman you decide to take on as a long-term partner for me This is just my preference to me. She's got to be introverted introverted girls are much less of a risk They might not be listen introverted girls are not as much fun They're really not but but me for me personally as far as relationships are concerned I want there to be as little risk as possible Anthony, what is your preference as far as introverts extroverts sure and why? Yeah, so at 30 years old and come out up on 31 here in a few months. Oh, man. Oh, man. Yeah, I'm feeling So my most honest and first thought is I'm still exploring and figuring this stuff out for myself And I can tell you right now It it's never occurred to me to really care about these kind of things right now that it's unimportant in general It's just for me personally with how I interact with women pulling them home tender stuff bar stuff social circle stuff I'm just doing what I do. I'm exploring. I'm learning and experimenting.   You can't force it. You don't want to force it That's the opposite of submission like real submission But and that's so and when I say that to like molding or personality and shaping it and stuff, you know She'll do it for you. That's that's the point because she wants to do it That doesn't mean she becomes a clone of you like I'm introverted So when I say that I don't expect her to become exactly like me.   Hold on.  Listen you listen. That's it. You solved the riddle for me Every relationship has to have polarity. Maybe that's why I like maybe that's why I'm more attracted to introverted girls For a longer relationship than extroverts.  I think I've answered. Okay. Yeah. Yeah What about you steve? Do you prefer like what type of girl do you prefer introvert or extrovert for what situation?  Okay, you know, she goes out as you used to go out a little bit But she's more like from the 1800s like a quaker. She doesn't youtube or facebook You don't have a twitter account You know all she does is puzzles Watch the food network life stuff.   You know who you are.    That's that's a huge moment for them. It's spiritual.  Oh god.  Like this is really exciting for them They love riding the roller coaster, right that has like no safety net or maybe has a safety net But they don't really know Right, so what I just want to say to to wrap my my my thing up is this at the end of the day Uh It's not about intro or extra. It's about what she brings to my table, you know Because the thing with me and my boys right now is that they got all their bitches buying them flat screen TVs in their houses Olds and stuff like that.  Okay, standard, right. What else can you do? What are you bringing to? Excellent excellent. Okay. Well, let's move to the that was a good that was a good, uh, that was a good discussion I like I like I like it better when we disagree on stuff because I think that I think we all learn more And I think our audience learns more Okay, so the second For the second sacrifice that men have to make In my opinion, I believe it is age. Let me explain what I mean here The ideal woman that every man wants is that 20 year old virgin, right? The red pill approved female the red pill approved wife Uh, is is a female who's in her sexual prime meaning between the ages of 18 and 26 The disadvantage here is that in today's sexual marketplace Good-looking women in that age range and and we'll get to the we'll get to smv sexual market value here in a little bit But good-looking girls in that age range They're not interested in settling down because they're always getting offers They get offers on dating apps They get offers at work when they walk around everywhere they go Men are throwing themselves at her because she is young and beautiful In 2019 and I want to get you guys's take on this because in 2019 If you're a man who is in a long-term relationship with a beautiful 20 22 year old girl the end of that relationship That's inevitable It is a mathematical certainty that you will not be her last boyfriend Let alone the last person to have sex with her that said It is my opinion that the sacrifice men need to make as far as age is concerned And this is strictly for relationships.  Unfortunately. She can't be in her sexual prime And I know that that's what we want ideally but in this day and age and again, correct me if i'm wrong A girl in her sexual prime is always going to be looking for an upgrade simply because of the availability of men Thanks to the internet even if you're the very best she can do okay. She doesn't know that and She'll never really be all in with you until she hits her 30s when she has passed the wall so If you're looking for a woman who is actually ready to settle down in a long-term relationship to me You're looking for a woman who is aged maybe 28 through maybe 35 or 36 any older than that You're really taking a chance as far as looks are concerned any younger than that She's not going to be quite ready and again.  I would not be with her today of that. I am certain anthony. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think I disagree. I mean i'm following what you're saying like it's making sense So I don't agree with the logic presented I mean for me it comes down to it's a frame game at the end of the day Like who's and that comes down to then smb that comes down to a game that comes down to genetic factors, you know your situation economically financially career-wise The age difference, you know, how old are you? Yeah, are you 37 looking for a 30 year old or there we go? There we go. 37 looking for a 21 year old. So i'm 39.    And I'm not I'm not recommending everyone do that, but I had a good time. So does she of course She'll give me the world. Well, and you know, of course eventually she started talking about relationship. I'm like, yeah, no not doing that Uh, I'm not you know surprised. Oh, so you're the one you're the hot 22 year old, right? Well, I'm I'm 30. Yeah, exactly. So but it's frame, right? It's She could be out going on more on tinder and bumble going to bars getting fucked but If I'm hitting all the right buttons, uh, you know, it's like socks says nature's gonna win And that's nature winning. She's getting If she's being for now, she's being fulfilled with these things. That's what she's going up.  Who knows? I don't think so actually but whatever I mean, it doesn't matter whether she's cluster b or not. I agree with you. It's a frame game It doesn't matter if she's cluster b b b if you got frame women are gonna fall if you're dominant This is why, you know co-parted is such a It's such an extreme version of like an alpha male in our men's community in the man's sphere But he says it right like if you have if you have the frame and if if you have the game if you have You have that power and she submits to it. You can you can turn around you can do whatever you want She'll give you she'll give you her soul.   You're gonna have marks in the morning.  There was actually a youtuber who's great on this frame game radio It was an intersexual dynamics focus so much, but it's all frame man It's frame frame frame frame at the end of the day.   Okay, so this 22 year old girl You said she wants to be in a relationship with you like she's trying Yeah, I mean all these girls okay, all right, okay, very good Steve. What's a human? Go ahead. I was gonna say it was it was this interesting because I'm usually bangin girls who are like 24 25 20 Age like that and then occasionally in the 30s and then occasionally like a 19 20 year old but 22 It was interesting that she's like right at her peak SMV. Yep, and I'm only I'm eight years older So it's excellent. That's an excellent age advantage. I mean I considered it like I'm not totally opposed to that But at the end of the day, I'm just like nah, like I'm just not feeling of this chick emotionally. So I'm like, yeah It was very simple for me and ran All right, Steve what you got man? Well, I'm gonna I'm going so we're anthony on side of anthony on this one as well because one thing I know this is is that I'm not looking for her age more or less I just know what I want, you know, I know what I'm looking for. I know what is gonna please me and Whether she's 40 38 now. Yeah, I'm just saying just a smash.   Hey Steve told me the message 15 year old girl No, she got to be legal News yeah breaking news But what I'm saying is I don't look at the age to me It's the character and it's the submission or you're gonna follow my lead You know, I mean if and I don't care how old you are because I truly believe That when a woman gets around a real man keyword real man She has no choice but to take the knee and kiss the ring because she has no other option She doesn't have the option of wiggle room of running him and doing things So I don't look at the age man. I look at what pleases me. I say to myself, okay What do I want today? What am I looking for today and I will meet that person and like and like Anthony said, you know He gives him the warning about sucking the titty out the soul.     They will notice. Okay. You know what?  I want to add this to that You know is that Socrates birthday party last week? It was it was that house here in Orlando?  Yeah. Oh, yeah, beautiful You've met her right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's cute as a button got the big pink rosy red cheeks. Yep So I was watching her, you know run around the house She was throwing the football around us, you know I was me and my director were there and she like that and just playing a plan to beautiful girl But being very feminine being being a young girl It was interesting to watch because in particular I noticed, you know, I was like well like what is this girl doing?   Hopefully for better You know when she's 33 instead of 3 she'll do the same thing She and she'll and that's healthy for one woman to pursue. This isn't even a criticism. It's an observation. It's an important So it just comes to mind that you know with all these things You know the friend what is how do you get frame? Why does the woman submit to your frame? While you're tapping into the different emotional experiences She's feeling and one of them is you know playing games woman love playing games And if you play the best games and you're the best at playing in them And you you make all the rules and you have that this game you've made for her Whatever is super fucking exciting and super dangerous or feels dangerous then you win That's how you win these things you win the frame game and then that goes beyond the bedroom too into the whole life Like Steve was talking about right I just want to piggyback on Anthony's piggyback The what he just said is 100 so many guys are trying to play to worry about the chess pieces Instead of being the chess board the chess board is gonna make sense right and that's where Anthony was saying was a 1 I'm sorry. Go ahead man. Oh, you're right. No, you're right With I'm gonna push back on both of you to me as far as long-term relationships are concerned age Absolutely matters and again, there are exceptions to every rule and this is what we teach men to be we want and the thing is Is we teach men to be the outliers if you want to be the regular old plain Joe? Whatever and drive a Toyota Camry make $40,000 a year and a 401k and all that secure and stuff and be safe You're watching the wrong show we teach men to be the outliers And if you're an outlier you are going to attract outlier type women a Read women who are young and hot who want to relate who want to be in a long-term relationship with you Want to make babies and cookies, but to me it's about playing the odds Simply put a 22 year old is going to have more options than a 32 year old she can and here's what comes down to you've got to Have the frame you can listen listen. It's my way or the highway. She can accept it or not I totally agree and more times than not she is going to accept it because you are who you are But the 22 year old is going to she's going to she's gonna choose to Taste the highway a little bit eventually she'll come back because there not many men like us out there But she's gonna go out there She's gonna choose that a few more times than maybe the 32 year old would again The reason she can do this is because she has other options again It's playing the odds the younger the woman the harder it is simply because regardless of how high your game is now You're only gonna be one of a very few men that she's gonna come back to on the regular And when she has those options like that she is going to attract more men She's gonna track beta males guess what she's gonna attract other guys who have the game in the frame as well We said it earlier in the show women can be trusted to be women the more that the younger a woman is the more option She has so even if you have a plus game. She is more She is she's gonna submit to your frame when she's with you right But strictly within within that's within the bounds of a long-term relationship this is strictly age-speaking with LTRs is The the younger the woman the harder it's gonna be and maybe and I think I think what I think what's happening here is I know that you can never play the relationship game on easy mode, right? For me, I want it to be a little bit easier I've done all the hard stuff like I've I've paid my dues and I think the reason for this is maybe I know that Women are not really as necessary for my happiness So I want the least amount of trouble out of them as humanly possible, but to me age Absolutely does matter when it comes to selecting a one or not really selected They really have to pick you but younger women. They're gonna be more like they're gonna be less likely to How can I put this to me younger women are are a much higher risk younger women can make great mates But again, we're talking about risk. I think the older the woman the the lesser the risk Well, I would say yeah, I want to comment on this so I don't don't disagree and this is consistent in my opinion with what I was talking earlier that But I we don't agree completely like age is important and I don't think I said it was unimportant if I did I misspoke no No, I don't think I did age is a factor. It's a major factor. I agree not only the age in itself An isolation, but also her age in relation to you are you her age? Are you one year younger are you one year older? Are you five years older that makes sense and there and there's stats So it's a major factor that plays out in statistics in real life, you know Because it's a you have to look at it generalized across an entire population Then you can watch that play out in studies by governments and institutions and whatever and they they show one thing I left out you're making a very good point because it really depends on your because you obviously have much different goals And I do we're a decade apart in terms of age.       They go to prison.  Yeah, so that does play a part as well guys Yep 35 is the advanced maternity age according to modern medicine and what's actually practiced by doctors and stuff I need to preface this. This is exactly why this is exactly why this is an important conversation I I Literally just realized as smart as I am like all of the anecdotes all of my reasoning are specific to me All right, you may second phone lines are obviously open All right, very good. So all right. Can you guys hear me? Is there any feedback? Okay, very good. Excellent. So the phone lines are open 914 205 356. I Literally just realized that I'm giving this from my perspective. Hmm. I am I'm 41 I'm gonna be 42 years old in August. I don't want kids. I have no interest in kids So of course age is good. Well, of course and because I don't want a legacy I'm thinking you know what I'm willing to sacrifice a few years in terms of sexual market value and peak fertility For a little less risk because I don't want kids But you guys hit the nail on the head if you really want to pass on your legacy Then yeah age is absolutely a factor for me I'm not willing to take the risk of a younger hotter girl because to me. It's not worth it I don't want any kids of it. So why am I gonna take that risk? But for men who want to pass on their legacy that is a very strong biological connection And if passing on your legacy means taking on a bit more risk I think the both of you and I think I could speak for the both of you I think you I think that you guys would probably admit that that's a risk worth taking am I wrong That's the better option. Yeah, that doesn't mean that doesn't mean I'm gonna do it, but it means I'll probably That makes all sense or I had not even thought about that I've been real quick before you go to phones I just want to say somebody says something in the chat room that again This is where you don't understand see the thing about women and I'm not calling it women behavior Is you're always making excuses and being a victim towards things this works where we're talking about see a man Works through everything a man works through the winter spring summer fall. It could be Mars the moon When you sit and begin to make excuses of Well, it works in America, but it didn't work over here Then I need you to let me know why my boys are flying from America to Europe Smashing women just like they do it in America.  I was having a great time The woman there beautiful, too. There you go Yeah, I don't have anyone I want to hit this little super chat on 21 studios Yeah, I actually see it here a penny Ostrich or $1.99 super chat you want to read that question? Oh, go ahead Donovan go ahead So penny I can't pronounce the name. It looks like ostrich or says who is a regular woman BPD and PD Essentially, I'm Essentially all I'm learning from the red pill info out there is that women will respond to beta behavior very similar to NPD behavior TMF. Can you clarify? Yeah, I don't even know what TMF means put in there what TMF means Some sort of internet lingo like It's not you know, what is the SMA shake in my head and it's something like that I don't know. I'm actually I'm not sure if I'm following your question early. I mean, I'm reading it as it is Woman respond to beta behavior I mean women love AJ Cortez has said one of our speakers and he's been on the red man group a couple times I think he's right that male narcissism exhibited, you know properly or even improperly It's like the mirror to female solipsism and women are very attracted to it. They're very attracted to arrogant overtly narcissistic Bragg braggadocious to an extent bragging behavior All kinds of just ridiculous over the top shit that a lot of people will assume is like NPD Even the way I post on Twitter sometimes Because I'm not really with all of that stuff Oh, that's a cluster B disorder narcissistic personality disorder primarily known in the 90s as in before megalomania Like a megalomania. I could figure that's right. I think a lot of people are probably described cobertate like this Yeah, totally, but he's not NPD He's just and you know, I've been thrown talked about narcissism too in the dark in the nine laws in his work And it's not there's healthy levels of narcissism. It's fun. Like people accuse Donald Trump our president of being you know NPD all the time.     They assume it's abusive. It's not this is what women are deeply attracted to For better and for worse man because look if a dude actually has NPD or some serious trauma that that is causing the behavior and his behavior Like this is not on purpose like it is for me and many others in the atmosphere a lot of you know Red Pill teachings are would be viewed in mainstream psychology is like narcissists rampant narcissism Well, it's symptom and as a symptom it is there the behaviors are the same the source though is different We're training and we're learning his behaviors on purpose because guess what?  They want you to choke them out.    It's just well Here's another head trip She likes when you do things to an extent that she doesn't like you do these things anyway She doesn't like them and guess what you keep doing them anyway It's right now. There's a limit to how far you can push this It's within reason, but you're doing it and it's part of it's the negative emotions are fine that she feels for you That's part of being in a healthy relationship The feels women listen women and we'll get to the erico 951 your next 289 your next I'll submit this to you Anthony women would rather be Women want to be on that roller coaster ride Women don't they don't want to ride the teacups at Disney World. No, they want to ride the screamin eagle Roller coaster at Six Flags. They want to be scared. They want to be happy. They want to be elated They want to be afraid.   She's doing good stuff. Let's go to the phone lines That's a good discussion erico 951. You were on with the red man group. Go ahead Hey guys, this is JC. Hey JC. What's up? No, we got you man. Well, I'm clear. Yeah Cool, I just wanted to go back to what you were talking about a few minutes ago with the age you know the maybe the best age for an LTR and We know that the more men a woman sleeps with the less likely she is to be able to successfully maintain a relationship, right long term so Even though a 22 year old would have more options than a 32 year old I think if we're playing the pink game, I'd rather take a woman who's Little more tread on her tires, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean well just that the show you're doing yesterday with that chick who's had like, you know Hundreds of dudes. I mean the difference between 22 and 32. I mean how many hundreds more guys?   There's all kinds of stats coming out on this. They're popping all kinds of pills antidepressants Yeah, not to mention not that's this legal stuff never mentioned in the illicit stuff or they're using prescription drugs And without a doctor's Reno consent and stuff.  Yeah, it's a big problem Steve. What you got on this man?   These women are Using their bodies to get what they want. They're using their bodies to make money but they also are getting like at least it getting railed and Protted a lot especially when they get out the house Yeah, listen I listen I agree I agree with Steve and it's it's weird because it's almost I don't want to call it a self-fulfilling prophecy But it's it's it's very it's very cyclical, right? So mathematically speaking the longer someone has been around the more of something they have experienced Let's just take something very simple being around for a 32-year-old person He's eaten more food than a 22-year-old person by virtue of being having been around for a decade longer Well, the same thing with sex you would assume that a 32-year-old woman has had more sex than a 22-year-old woman Okay, maybe but here's the thing 32-year-old woman doesn't really have quite as many options the 22-year-old one has options all day long And if we know anything about women Anthony You said it right at the top of the broadcast you trust women to be women You cannot trust a woman not to be impulsive if a 22-year-old girl is getting dick thrown at her all day long Guess what she's gonna do.  So I agree that 100% of an let me play some doubles Advocate here. I think we're seeing social media So it you know 20 years ago it would have been absolutely, you know crystal clear true that a woman at 22 Is gonna have more SMV and therefore sexual options Than a woman at 32 is a little bit post couple years post wall at that point the issue I think now is that we're seeing you know social media particularly Instagram and then stuff like Tinder and Facebook and whatever Women are getting in it such a crazy amount of attention from men You know most of them are beta whatever it doesn't matter at the end of the day though male attention is male attention, right? They doesn't eat them. Yeah, it's all the same they value it differently, but it's still male attention, right?  I mean she is flooded with male attention even at 32 years old Especially if she you know fix herself up. She keeps herself together Maybe she got a pair of fake tits at you know age 30 when she hit the wall very common I know because I'm watching for it on Instagram. I watch them slide in the DMs This is changing the environment those that I'm saying in a really an unprecedented way in human history women at 32 can still get a ridiculous amount of More than a woman 20 years ago kind of gotten into 22 That's what's flipping shit on its head that we've never seen before I'll put it to this way Anthony I'm gonna use an analogy Attention is attention no matter what a 22 year old could get a dollar's worth of attention from one person, right a 30 Two-year-old could get a penny's worth of attention from 100 men. Guess what? It's all the same as far She's concerned. She still made a dollar it doesn't it takes her a little listen It takes her a little less it takes her a little more time to get there But just like you said attention's attention and social media has changed it This is why this is a good discussion between all three of us because you guys are making me see things in in different ways Let's go to the phone lines. We're gonna go to area code two eight nine things we're holding are on live with the red man group Go ahead Hi guys, thanks for taking a call. Absolutely. Um, I think that called her a few weeks ago asking about Heednism I'm this time. I'm asking though what Donovan Sharp calls red pill meathead had a transition out of that Okay, I asked as I watched a buddy months ago what we got zero day would be hit rock bottom. Mm-hmm his Baby mama captain after he put her through school and I'm just doing a cost analysis and ROI and I mean This guy's on suicide watch basically anyway. I'd love to hear your thoughts guys. Thanks a lot. Yeah. Yeah Thanks for calling What he's talking about when he says what when he says meathead red pill guy and I think and and we've all seen this guy Meathead red pill guy is the guy who just found the red pill.  That's meat head red pill guy guy who thinks he knows the game But doesn't really know the game and this is the this episode is perfect for this because if this episode shows Anything if you guys have if you guys haven't learned anything from what we're talking about is that every decision a man makes with a woman It's got to be nuanced the decisions I make are gonna be very different from the decisions that Steve makes that the standards and qualifications that Steve has are gonna Be very different form from the standards of qualifications that Anthony has the red pill is not black and white Meathead red pill guy thinks it's thinks it's black and white, but everything is very nuanced They're there are multiple layers So he's talking about his friend who's on suicide watch because he put his baby mama through school and now she's left him It's a sad story that Steve. What are your thoughts on that man? All right. Well, the thing is is that I I'm starting to see something with a lot of guys that sit around and just use the word red pill loose And that's that's one of the biggest issues that I'm seeing Look all a I can tell you guys.  This is not see this is not something that the thing and this is no This is a shameless plug for Anthony's 21 convention guys. Don't get rich opponent But what I'm saying is is that? Red pill is not something you put on like a coat and that's where a lot of y'all guys think Something or you can hang up like a hat We're trying to show you that this is a man is internally this works on the inside You if you're saying you're something, but you're not living that life.   I've never seen him walk around. Hey, good morning.  I'm going to Poland.    If you're red pill, you don't sound red pill I get it. Do you just don't care? another thing to with the red pill I think under I think Seeing the red pills seeing the truth is different from understanding it. Yes They're not the same thing and what I've realized at 30 now my ripe old age, right? But I'm feeling I'm feeling I'm feeling mage a little bit, right?  I guess like maybe Neo to the matrix or whatever it just becomes Eventually, you know the dodge. You don't have to dodge bullets, right? You won't you just don't have to Kind of an old thing You see the code in the matrix and I remember That's I remember when Neo asks him. Are you telling me that I can dodge bullets and Morpheus says you're telling you that when you figure it out You won't have to and there at the end he looks down the hallway Agents and he sees them in matrix code exactly and before everyone thinks that that comes from like some super hardcore red pill knowledge They just find that one idea or that one thing or this one community that no It's like, you know, that was a movie in real life.  It's not just about the experience It's not just about the knowledge.   Yes, sir Yep, thanks for taking my call. So, um I wrote the message before the name penny off striker. So you guys oh, that's you announce my name, right? Okay penny off Yeah, thank you so much for addressing the comment Uh, before I continue speaking. I want to let you guys know that english is not my first language Pretty much my third one. So I'll try my very best. Listen you sound good so far Yeah, thank you So basically first of all, I want to thank you guys for everything the 21 convention. It's amazing stuff and and to me Thank you so much for your work and all your other guys Um, I had a hard time to it. It was limited for me to basically, um Explain my question that I had about npdbpb Uh, so let me be pretty good again. Okay, because I think it was a little bit miscommunicated Um, I don't know how much time I have to speak but pretty much When I was I was married for 13 years to one woman. I got married when I was 20. This is the community. I'm coming out from so I had to kind of leave a religion and long story short We had three children got divorced. I didn't have a chance to date too many women and then I went into a rebound relationship I was trying to pretty much Educate myself about women as much as I can found this woman stood my ground had frame control to a degree And it went very well all of a sudden the tables turned and she was bitching that I'm not committing to a relationship Long story short It yeah, so basically I pulled away. She was crying. I felt bad for her and I was like beating myself up Why do you feel bad for her? You need to go out there and and you know See your opportunities and find other women, but at the end of the game I stuck around And she became the biggest nightmare in a very covert way me to say Never was never accountable for anything Stonewalling me completely. So everything was You know deflecting. I'm trying to make it as short as possible. It threw me into complete You know, I lost ground and um a lot of rumination So I started binge watching all these and I think anthony, you know, and richard gran and and the rest of them Oh, yeah about personality disorders But from there and I literally started seeing copy-paste like I went to a therapist at one point and It threw me off course. I couldn't focus on my business. It's pretty difficult. It's a mind job. So so What I said, it's a mind job and it really works on your mind It it does it does and I constantly demand it for myself to be stronger The point is is that then I bumped into the rectal idea and I'm like Holy shit as strong as I thought I was You know, a lot of Certain behaviors of mine was like really empathetic caring A good communication, you know, the regular stuff. I don't know if you can call it beta or I don't know what titles are put on it But it's definitely confusing right now looking into all, um, you know I don't know which name to mention rollo to mafia or the rest of them just The idea of how women think and how men are what they're really looking for I started using that with that girl breaking away from her coming back to her trying to detach myself being more of an asshole standing my ground It works sometimes But the rules are not really the same supposedly meaning to say because if she is a highly Narcissistic or potentially psychopath then she always needs to be in control Like whatever you're going to do. She's always bouncing back and has to be in control You see what I'm trying to say.  I'm trying to clear up this confusion like I'm like Who is a normal woman? Who is this ordered? How much should I beat myself up? Did I do something wrong or No, there are certain things that I was totally not wrong just this woman is this order And I think I can let me let me talk this girl quick. So I mean here's my first thought I think I think you're kind of like halfway down rabbit hole right now the red pill rabbit hole And I think when you're where you're going to end up at when you leave the rabbit hole when you get to the end of it And leave is that you'd be surprised how How thin the line is between a normal woman who's not disordered And a woman who has some set of a cluster B disorder or some or some a wide disparity Yeah, or some set of symptoms that are a minimum Giving you the impression or suspicion that maybe she has something like seriously wrong with her Which is a lot.  He just hates women. He's better from a relation.  Or maybe she's a little bit nuts and just being extra womanly or something You have to figure that you're basically in the process of figuring this out And I think a few months from now a few years from now You'll answer your own question over time By doing the research like you're doing and asking these kind of questions and thinking about it Digesting what you're reading and what you're seeing And ramp All right I want to take this on the other side of the spectrum for this young man I wrote some things down that you said you talked about learning about women you talked about Her crying and you feeling bad for her the gator tears You talked about you're sticking around with a woman who's not accountable You talked about reading books and things like that. So let me tell you something Use anthony and donovan as a example young man anthony and donovan can read as many books as they want You want to know why because They just don't read books They go outside their door and they and they learn what the real world is like The problem with a lot of you guys out there y'all read these four or five books And you think that's the end all be all by reading the book and And I and I know you're from another country, but over here There's a why I receive it by the name of jerry rice one of the Of all time, okay And his greatness Was displayed on the football field, but what you saw on sunday was a byproduct of the hard work He did on the back end the stuff that nobody saw you just saw the the byproduct on the football field What I mean by that is this you guys can't read a book to learn how to catch a football You can't read a book to learn how to drive And you can't keep reading books thinking that that is going to be the antithesis of every woman because all women are different All women have different personalities, but until you get out there and not only learn about women But most importantly learn about yourself See you you were so busy trying to learn about women You never really took the time to learn you and have a standard because if you had a standard There wouldn't be no gator tears. There wouldn't be her guilting you There wouldn't be you sitting here saying I was with a woman who wasn't accountable when you learn more about yourself Yeah, if you want to read a book read a book But don't just read a book get your ass out there and learn about the real world That sometimes books can't show you a book when a a when a book is printed That's all it can teach you is whatever is on that piece of paper That is as far as it goes the world still moves and still changes Women still move and operate on different levels And if you're sticking to just reading and not getting out there and learning about manhood And learning about yourself you're gonna be in these situations where I can't blame the woman for treating you and being mean to you Listen, I don't I don't like when women do y'all wrong But one thing I can't do is I can't blame her for something you have allowed her to do You allowed her to do that. She didn't do it.   Um, and I think they called us red pill masturbation And i'm not accusing the caller Um of you know red pill masturbating, but there are a lot of guys out there who find the red pill And they only they they they they never put it into action They like to read it. They like to be involved in videos. They like to chat and talk about theories But they never really go out there and do it Well, i'm red pill and i'm this and that and the other no you're not shit until you actually go out there and do that Right, um, we got guys from you know coming in here talking about another show I'm sure these other shows are great But it doesn't do you any good watching us or watching them or whoever it is This is why the 21 convention is where it's at Because the 21 convention is tangible, right this show listen this show is important My show is important steve show is important But in terms of relevance it pales in comparison to actually seeing Feeling shaking hands with men who are tangible men who are in front of you You understand what i'm saying it listen it's one thing to have a youtube channel and be you know and be an influencer Okay, great But unless you take your online success and parlay that with offline success You're really just masturbating along with everybody else I'm going to continue to do my show because this is how I grow my audience But next summer I plan on taking I plan on taking the party offline like anthony johnson did what 10 12 years ago That the difference likes and dislikes don't Likes and dislikes only matter on the internet likes and dislikes are important to people who who don't want to apply the red pill Oh, you've got this many likes. You got this many dislikes. Okay. That's all well and good But what does it matter out on the real world? What are you going to go out there and tell somebody out of the real world? Well, this show got a hundred dislikes. They're not that doesn't mean it Don't even think about this think about what it means when a human being when a man in the man is here or whatever Watches one of our videos and hits the like button or dislike button or whatever right? Okay, cool I appreciate you be engaging with the content Now compare that to 21 con or doing your own workshop donovan sharp stuff. Maybe you're now or something Yeah, someone, you know in the case of 21 convention, which I know more more about obviously You know 200 men or whatever fly around from we're in from around the world Most do not live in florida or poland or whatever where we're doing it A majority fly in from they're flying in you know for a two hour flight a five hour flight A 10 hour flight some even flying from like india and new zealand and australia and shouts Crazy they buy the flight they take time out of their life. They buy the ticket.  That's fine.  That's the way it goes. That's right acting on verba. Action's not words or actions are words I I totally agree and listen no one's gonna i'm not gonna sit here and say that analytics Aren't important but again when you compare it to an offline event a tangible event something Something that you can access outside of your phone. See see this I've got the red man group on my phone right now What is this is this going to help me out in the real world world?   You're doing us a favor You're giving us views. You're giving us watch time. You're giving us engagement. So we appreciate that So go back over and watch your other show listen. I'm sure the other show is great I like I like I like every guy over there no problem and to be quite honest with you I'm not trying to get into the weeds here But the the the recent splits that have happened when you think about it And I know anthony probably feels a little bit differently because because of the because of the situation But as far as i'm concerned I think everybody wins because there are not there's not just one show anymore Now there are two shows where groups of men panelists are talking about the same things There might be some fundamental differences But now you have two shows that are dedicated to red pill comments So for anyone who wants to talk shit. Oh, you picked the wrong side and it's not the other. No I didn't pick any side I'm on the red pill side and like or dislike the guys over there or over here at the end of the day We're all on the same side We might not all like each other for for various reasons But I think I think the red pill community wins in the end. I want to say something real quick It's and guys y'all gotta understand something It's it's not a necessary about size to me. It's about men.  Oh, yeah Oh, you said sides my bad sides Sides did Okay That size y'all you confused me done What i'm saying is this uh guys is that Real see in the in the in the black community. They got this thing called real recognized real. That's right.  They're here to help and they're trying to do things They're not running around like this. Like I told y'all in this matrix.  Why? Because They're reckoned they're taking time out of their schedule Anthony and donovan don't know have to they don't know any of these guys, but you know what those guys know them They don't anthony and donovan don't wake up every morning saying. Oh gee. I guess roger doesn't like me today.   I gotta I gotta comment here So I was following what you were saying donovan, you know, I appreciate it. Obviously amount takes a bit different I've commented plenty publicly. Uh, my basic thought is this the split that we just saw, you know, that went down That's the manisphere and the red pill community healing itself I make no apology for kicking out traders from remissed. I don't believe the men that are gone now Have a real dedication to truths including red pill truths These men are either shields from money or for a cult of personality They are not here for the red pill. They're not here for men. They're not here for the manisphere We are and I make no apology about that. 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Alright team, it is your biggest fan, the real Casadero, and we are back. Real Casadero. Yeah, I say my name wrong sometimes. But anyway, I'm the real Casadero, and we are back. And in this session, we're going to close this thing out for sure, for sure, for sure. I think in the previous two videos, you got a good understanding of the type of questions you need to be asking. And we're trying to direct the customer in two ways, right? Number one, we're trying to get information from them. We're trying to, we want to get them. We're not trying. We're not trying, okay? I got to stop saying try, because we got to get in the mindset of do, I have, we don't say I want, we say I have, we don't say I'm trying, we say I will, right? So we're doing this, we're in this moment. And so we're at the, we're in the, we're at the office with the customer, or whatever the setting is, and we're asking these questions, right? And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you got to go back and you got to watch the previous two videos, right? But we, we are getting them to assign a value to fixing the problem that they have. We're getting them to define the problem. They're going to tell us what the problem is, and they're going to assign a value to it. How much are they willing to pay to fix this thing? So in the last video, we did, we determined like the customer arrived at, I thought this was going to be a thousand bucks a month, which is fantastic. That's fine. Okay. Where did you arrive at that number, Mr. Customer? How did you get there? Well, you know, we talked to these one guys at one point, or we were paying this one guy at this one point, and they were charging us, you know, a thousand bucks a month. And you say, how come you aren't with those guys anymore? And they may say, well, we still are. And then you can say, well, why are we having this conversation? There must be something that they're not doing that you want done, right? There must be some sort of result that you want to get that, that you're not getting, right? And they'll probably tell you this like the first five, 10 minutes, because when you first get there, you say, why are we talking today? And some people, they just spill the whole beans, man, they'll tell the whole story, right?  You know where they were born, their wife, their kids, their aunts, their uncles, where their parents are around or not. You'll know like when they start at the business, why they started the business, how they earned their first dollar. They'll tell you everything, because nobody ever asks every other salesperson, everybody who has something to sell, they just show up and they're like, yo, I do this thing, you want to buy it, right? And the conversation doesn't go like that. But in the conversation, right, you can tell like they're trying to sell you, right? But when you're asking questions and you're listening and you're taking notes, right, that's different. People don't expect that name, name a time in your life where you're sitting down with somebody other than a psychiatrist who just really listened to what you were saying. And they were like, hold on, like, this is interesting, right? Like, I want to learn more, like, hold, let me get my notebook, right? This is, I may be able to learn something from this. Let me write this down. Nobody does that shit, right? So anyway, so you're asking these questions and now you know a thousand dollars and so here, right? There's a whole bunch of different paths you can take, but I'm gonna give you a path right now. You can say, all right, so, you know, where did you get this number from? Well, we've worked with this other person. What's the outcome you were expecting that you didn't get? Well, we expected X, Y, Z and we got Z, Y, X, right? You say, well, why do you think that happened? Well, I don't know, right? And some people are gonna get frustrated with questions and you just have to learn, right? The more people you talk to, you can tell when they're getting frustrated, they're thinking like, man, this motherfucker's asking like 50,000 questions.  But there's a lot of questions. I got you. You know, you want to take a break or if you're uncomfortable, if you're uncomfortable, because I just, I need to learn about your business, right? To be honest, right? I'm just here to help. And I don't want to try to sell you anything, right? If I cannot help you, I will try my best to refer you to somebody who can, but in order for me to get there, I have to assess the situation. But if you're uncomfortable, I understand it. Are you uncomfortable? How do you feel? What do you think? And they'll tell you like, oh, no, I'm fine, man. You know, it's been a hard day. It's been a hard week.  But nobody asks about this stuff, right? No, people don't even pay attention. But I can see you're frustrated. I can see it, right? Is it, you know, you want to meet on a different day at a different time? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not you. It's me. Right? This is what's going on. You got to learn to communicate. But anyway, and so it's like, hey, right? Okay, I understand, man, I've had the same thing happen to me. I've had this experience where you know, I pay for something, I pay for X, Y, Z, and I got Z, Y, X. And it was, you know, very disappointing, very frustrating. You know, matter of fact, that's why I started my business. Because I was working for a company and they said, hey, we want you to help us do X, Y, Z. And when I got there, they were like, hey, we need you to do Z, Y, X. And I would say, you hired me for X, Y, Z. They say, no, we're the boss, we tell you what to do. And I said, no, you're not the boss. I'm the expert, you hired me because I'm the expert. Right? And so I said, this is it enough. I can help other people grow their businesses. If you don't appreciate, you know, if you can't appreciate my skill set, then somebody else will. I'm done. And then you just go on from there. But anyway, that was my situation. But in that situation, you're like, well, how long do you plan on being in business? Well, you know, I plan on being in business for like the next 10 years. What are your goals for the business?  I want to franchise this thing. People tell you all their wildest dreams and all their wildest fantasies. And you say, well, do you think that's realistic? Well, yeah, of course I do. Why? Well, because this, that and the third, you say, okay, all right. So you want to go from here to here, and you just reiterating, right? I just want to make sure I understand, right? This is where you are now. This is what you deal with in the past. You want to go from here, you want to go to a hundred million dollar business. What's the timeframe? You want to do that? I want to do it in 10 years. Okay, all right. Now, you may not be, you may be thinking like, I can't help these guys get to a hundred million dollars, right? And you can say that and say like, I don't believe that I can help you get to a hundred million dollars in 10 years, but I believe that I may be able to give you a start, right? A good foundation. How does that sound to you? Okay, yeah, that makes sense.  And let's look at this, right? You want to get to a hundred million, you want to get to a hundred million dollars in 10 years. Let's divide that up. How much money do you need to make per year? You need to make 10 million dollars a year? How much money is that per month or whatever, right? So our goal, number one, is to get to this first milestone, right? When we get to X amount of dollars a month, then you know that you're on your way. I mean, it's like, yeah. So how do you believe you can get there to that point? And some people, they'll tip you like, dude, like I want to knock down this wall and build this thing and do this thing over here and do that thing over there. Now, you're in the realm of contractor, right? But that's not what you do. You build, you're talking to them about a website, but you're learning about all this other stuff. You're learning about their hopes and dreams and these things that they want to do. But at some point, you're like, well, you know, I don't do that stuff. I'm here because of the website. Do you see the internet playing getting kind of part of this? Oh, yeah, that's why we're talking in the first place. We're talking to you, right? And you know that at some point that there's going to be $1,000 a month and you can go back to that, you say, hey, look, right, you know, you mentioned $1,000 before. Let me let me ask you a question. You want to, we know that this is our milestone, right? We got to get to a million dollars a month in order for you to make to be a hundred million dollars, a hundred million dollar company in the next year. And you know, I can't tell you that I can get you to a million dollars a month, but I can give you a foundation. I can give you a good start. But, but reasonably thinking, like, if we were to work together based on what you know already, like, what would your expectations be?  You know, a one customer is worth a hundred bucks. So we get five, 10 a month, right? And you say, which one is it? Is it five or 10? You say, well, you know, five is concerned. So extra five hundred dollars a month, right? So five hundred dollars a month, let's multiply that was five hundred times 12. And then they got their calculator out. They're like, oh, well, five hundred times 12, that is C five, zero, zero times one, two, that's $6,000. And you say, well, you know, you're going to be in business for another another 10 years. That's six thousand times 10 times one, zero, that's $60,000. You say, well, let me ask you this, right? If I would have, if I, if I were to to write you a check for $60,000, if I would have, if, if, if, if I guaranteed you a check for a, for $60,000 right now, you know, right now, I'll give you a check for $60,000. And in, but, but I required you to give me $30,000, right? You give me $30,000.  Is that an offer you would take? And most people, 90% of the time they'll go, yeah, sure. Yeah. I give you, hold on. But I give you $30,000 and give me $60,000 back. So yeah. Right. And so now when they're, my they're thinking about this, right?  And now they're thinking like, Oh, well, you know, man, I couldn't come up with $30,000. This is a hypothetically speaking, right? You know that you're going to get $60,000, right?  And they'll say, well, okay, all right, man, I would, you know, I would, I, you know, I get credit and I'll take out a loan, I'll do all this other stuff. And they'll tell you whether, whether you get the money from, right? You're not going to charge them $30,000. You're not going to charge them $30,000, man. Right. Because all you just want to sell your websites for two grand. But right now they're thinking like $30,000. Hello. And if they're thinking $30,000, right, like you got this in their head, in their head, and you sell your websites for two grand, that means that you could, you could potentially, you could potentially sell, you could charge them $2,000 a month for 12 months, you get $24,000, but you got to deliver, right? They got to see some growth, right? You got to be dope, right? And that's why you're asking all these questions. So you know the things that they ran into in the past that they hated and you know what they want to see in the future. And you're determining whether or not you can deliver on that promise. And now you've got a number, you've got a concrete number, right? And so, and so now this one's going to go a little long because I want to close this. I don't want to make another video. So this one's going to be a longer video. I think it's probably going to be probably close to 20 minutes. But if you follow this process, like it will work, it will work. So now, so now we know they're like, okay, all right, yeah, I will get the money from here. I would do these things. You say, well, look, well, let me ask you this, right? Like how, how, how would you, how would that change your business? Right? How would this, like, what would it be like? And you say, well, you know, I could do all those things I wanted to do, right? I could go knock down this wall if I had an extra 30 grand, right? I could go, you know, do whatever. And now they're telling you these things, right? They've all, they've been telling you stuff all along. But nobody asks a question. So nobody knows. Then nobody knows what people want to achieve because nobody asks any questions. And so, and so you say, all right, that, that, that kind of makes sense. So, so let me share with you what I do. Is that, is that okay? Do you mind and if they're like, yeah, right? Yeah, sure. Right. And sometimes, sometimes, right, they'll be like, you know, um, well, actually, actually, some sometimes they'll be like, Hey, right? Like, can you help me do that? And then you ask them, like, do you, can I share with you what I do? Right?  But I'm going to put together a whole course in the code 365 startup lab, where you can like, we're really break this all this stuff down. I don't know when that course is going to come. But if you sign up now, right, it'll be, it'll be cheap. It'll be way cheaper than it will be later on. Because this anyway, team.  You say, Hey, look, right? This is, this is the type of service I offer. And your anchor, you have to anchor it to something that they said, right? You have to know that the answers that they gave you align with what it is you're selling. If they do not align, then you don't go any further. Right? You have to, you may have to, you may very well have to say, Well, you know, look, I don't think I can help you achieve those goals. I may be able to find somebody or refer you to somebody who can, but that's not, you know, what I do. And because you've been, because you've asked so many questions, they may go, What do you do? You say, Well, do you mind if I share? Or you say, Well, it doesn't really matter, because I don't think I can help you. Right? I mean, it's up to you at that point, right? But you might as well just share anyway, because you have a better chance of getting some sort of sale than if you just say, Nah, it's okay. And walk away. So you say, Hey, look, right? You know, I build for me, right? This is this is my thing, right? I help businesses build profitable websites. That is my number one priority. I don't focus on ads.  I don't do social media. I focus on the website. How can I get the website in front of as many people as possible organically? So people who are searching for things related to your business, your products, your services, whatever it is, you sell, whatever it is, you do, I focus on that. And then when the traffic comes in, when the people start to show up, I focus on what you know, or even it depends, but a lot of the times in conjunction, depending on the state of the website, we redo the website in order to convert those visitors into customers. And it's business dependent.  Do you want them to book appointments?  What is it that you want to achieve? And they'll tell you, right? So that's what we do. We set up the website in a way.  Those are not even tried.  And when they get to the website, we direct them to an outcome, right? Either they're either they're going to book an appointment, they're going to order some food, they're going to book an appointment, they're going to they're going to they're going to pre order and they're going to come pick it up or they're going to order out for delivery. And if they don't do any of those three things, our next step is to offer them something of value and you can choose what that is, right? It can be a 10% coupon, it could be a two for one, it could be whatever, right? But we'll work with you to figure that out. We'll give you our recommendations, but it's ultimately your business and you have to determine what you want to use as an offer in order to entice people to at least try you for the first time. And if your stuff is fantastic, if it's excellent, you know that when they try you once, they're going to keep coming back. They go, man, right? That sounds amazing, right? And you say, that's that's what I do. And then they go, well, how much do you charge? And this means that they want to work with you. And now you have information. And you can say, hey, well, look, right, you know, we already talked.   Say, well, look, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna promise you that, right? But I will tell you this, I believe that we can get you an additional five to 10 customers month over month, as long as you you're willing to work with us. And me in my in my particular business, right, there's no contracts, like we don't do any contracts. And we'll work towards that end. You know, and to be honest, with the results we've gotten with with with other businesses, we, it'll probably be more than five to six, five to 10 customers per month. And also, right, and I didn't mention this before, the offer that we implement, right, in order to get information, you can expand on that in the restaurant. So when customers come in, if you get their name in their email address, you can add them to a database, and you can continue to nurture them as customers and make sure they keep coming back. And our goal is to create a thousand true fans for our clients. And a thousand true fans, they can sustain a business at a very healthy rate. So imagine, let's break this down, right, if we if you get to a thousand true fans, and they were eating here, two, three times a week, what would they, what would they be worth to the business that they'll tell you, right, they'll take out the calculator and do the math, right, or maybe they've done it in their head already, because they they care about their business and they understand their numbers. And then so, hey, a thousand people, and they're 100, 100 bucks, a thousand people, and I mean, that's that's a lot, right, a thousand people eating at a restaurant once a week or something like that. But anyway, right. And so once they have that number, you can say, hey, you know, we start at typically we start we start at, you know, $3,000 a month. But I understand that you you've been through some stuff in the past. Right. So how about this? How about I got to get everything set up. So let's just focus on month number one, right, month number one, we'll start at $3,000. We'll get everything set up. And then in the second month, we'll start, you know, we'll start to optimize the website or redo these things or build out this thing over here or whatever, right, and we'll do that month to month. And until you're established. And they may go no, or, or, or, right, you could say, instead of just charging two grand, you say, hey, look, right, we'll build out this whole thing will give you the SEO starter kit will set you all all up so you show up in search results and will optimize everything so you show up in maps and all these other places. And that that typically starts at $4,000. How does that sound? And if they're logical, they've gone through all this stuff, they want to be a hundred million dollar company, they want you know, all these different things, they'll go, okay, that makes sense. Right. You say, when would you like to get started? That's it. And they'll tell you, I'm going to start right now. I want to start yesterday. Right. We'll start next week. Right. And if the answer is anything other than now, then you got more questions to ask, but we'll save that for a different series team. I'm your biggest fan. The real Casadero. That is how you determine price. You don't figure it out. You let your client figure it out. If they, if you didn't understand any of that, message me. You can find me on social media. Leave a comment below.