It's a unique house. It's your boy E ceo. I'm here with the lovely amazing officer. Mr. Mako, what's going on? Nothing. You know my dad walk on man. Hold up man. Hold on man Man, hold up man. I said walk on man. It's this guy.  We're listening. We got a content right now Listen, boss talk challenge Y'all hear the voice y'all hear the voice he hear a man this guy right here don't need no introduction The king of Dallas is here a man. We're doing the challenge $1,000 for the best of the boss talk new intro the king of Dallas is here a minute boy Man, you gonna pick it do it. Yeah, we all go vocal the motivator man I ain't tired of that song keys to the city That's a classic to me man Check it man. It was raining water in the building. I'm the cow baby. See right now Good job, too. Thank you for that live pass.  He was like humble, bro Very humble, but when he spoke you can hear the reason why you chose it when he when he when he when he Wrapped on here. I see what's going on now.  He coulda got mad. I didn't do it.  Okay, he was excited for me But so did he call me the night before Christmas say Ray.  Wow That's correct. I said for real he said but But I'm gonna do it. It's the last Christmas. Wow, and I coulda sent us some money to buy But uh, I want him to remember that. Wow, that's that's dope. I'm saying and then everybody else around me You know, they got plenty of money and they was people just you know sometimes the humble heart is It's something you can't pay for it give him do the drive because when things come too easily You don't have that drive as much. Uh-huh. He got to drive two hours to the studio Real story man. This guy is different, bro. Yeah when he when he got back he called me and he was like he was like brain He was like a drain What do you think about me signing with rain?  That's what I told That's all I said, right? She was sitting right there cuz he called me on FaceTime. I Just know that's out of trouble. Yeah learning about you Has been an adventure. That's it boy It's just it's just I didn't know a lot of the stuff that that you have been high opening Yeah, and every interview everybody come on here Give me something different about the infrastructure of the Dallas market when it come to rain it's from the DJs you the definition DJs for all snail everybody I talked to everybody Yeah, you I realized I had a whole bunch of partners before I started just that was in the city doing all kind of stuff Yeah, and every time I will bring your name up They just talk about how hard you go. You know I'm saying yeah, and it messed my head up I think the one that got me the most was when Mr.. Hit that came on here Mr.. Hit that Mr. Hit that went down through that for rain. He was like Man, you know the boogie movement wouldn't have been what it was without rain, and I was like damn He had something to do with that. He's like man. He had everything to do with that and it was like What he's like he was promoting he booked us He's the only nigga that booked us out of town and did all this stuff. It was all countertop going on I was homeless So just tell me Who was he the one who told that story about him jumping in this car and driving to book everybody? Yeah, yeah, no idea. Yeah, people didn't know I was living in my car. Yeah, and I was 19, 20, 21, 22 When I graduated from high school My close homeboy had a song called gutter bitch. Okay. I love the song. Yeah, and I had went to college and I Stayed for three months four months And I came back to Dallas Wow, and I was homeless So I used to and I was homeless and I was broke and so I ain't want to be in Dallas one the same clothes So I get up and I hit a different city every day Wow with the same outfit on wow And the girls didn't know I had it on for four days And I need when I hit them different city I had to go spend night over I had to find a girl go to the club and find a girl Spend night with their house Wow, and then I and and when the more I went out in different cities I saw her in Dallas music So I took one to the club on the same. I know them like you can book them for me. Yeah I'm what they want. They might be going for 3,000. I kind of say I got a thousand dollars for y'all You know saying make your money. Yeah. No, no, no. No, no. I they might be going for three thousand I might book them for fifteen hundred half of it. I keep five hundred and get them a thousand Okay, but I was I never knew I never realized at the time I was cutting a manager's out And they was getting all their money because at the time all Dallas rappers on them show money They weren't touching nothing. It's the niggas who put that money behind them.  Wow And so now all the artists calling me you can't got a show for us got a show for us I'm not made out of all I made all the artists back then leave they managers So is that where the hate came from the managers? Yeah, cuz they kept cutting me junkie And then they put that in a they put that in a artist here They rain water was jaykin because I keep five hundred to myself I keep five hundred to myself and And get them a thousand but back then it was a groups So they had a split they thousand. Okay, you don't think you're really hard for them Yes, it might be for them and I and they got two fifty two fifty two fifty two fifty you get five. I get five. Oh The Hawaii trip. Yeah, let's talk about that. I was going to buy that like you was something Talk about that Hawaii thing because for you to books up some overseas. Listen some some dancing Boogie movement artists that were popping in Dallas. How did you make that happen? I made those connections over there may hit the house in the wild Mark and Houston and the next college farm and try The book hit to her and he said I you got how the rain water booked me So I got on the phone with the army dude and I realized type of budget He got type of money he got and I said you need to book this order this order I'll book by some orders and six auditions and And I put they pay for flights. They pay for everything and we went out there about 35 deep Wow, how much was it out? 80,000.  I gave I paid the auditors at 50,000 and I kept 30 They don't deal That I gave them I gave them more than they they expect I gave them more than they was making because I Made I hit the licks so high so I gave them more than they was even getting and at the end of the day The stanky leg they didn't show up. They didn't show up. So you booked them, but it didn't show they didn't show up Did you pay them? They put they took my deposit and show up. So you didn't get it back Who was you dealing with during that time old boy Prince?  What black It was some I don't know.   I gave them like I did it early. So I gave them like 4,000 I booked them for 8,500 in six flights And they didn't even tell in three hotel room damn and so when I get out there They pick me up from the airport and me hit that flew out there the day before everybody got there even from the airport in Ali was on the radio. We got the we got the we got the whole Dallas, Texas in here Do the stanky leg Didn't show them with the flag there like damn Was that the only group that didn't show up? That's all the group. Oh Trelly and Prince Rick. They didn't show I booked them to and then and then They ended up going to Shreveport with baby But you think that going overseas that would have been way more exposure like why not go to that Vanu because I was doing They had them gave me that name. Uh-huh a little wheel Me and a little wheel got into it really that time Yeah, cuz we went all the way out there and I got his money and we stayed extra day and a little wheel in young black They went to the Gucci store Louis Vuitton store when they first got there. They weren't used to it They and then they was mad at me cuz it's bad of me cuz they couldn't give it that cuz that is the extra day and so Yeah, I never forget that I never get them days, but okay, so I can see them calling you janky because Especially when they had to split the money and it's less than what you what they what you made Yeah, right, but for the people who didn't have a group. Did you book people who didn't have a group? Yeah, I'm black to have a group the road and have a group a little wheel to have So they wouldn't call you janky cuz they would have had more money coming to them But but the thing was I was still making more money than now them because I used to purr people up They don't understand I used to do that in every city clean for the military I had a military account where I I used to book all the military shows pow wow I'll do J dog. I did Texas relay anything came out of Texas. I was booking all the shows Be King at BK. I'm gonna be King by damn the 1340. I'm in the first time. I ever heard of B. King B. King was sitting outside of Houston with the same shirt on right up Right up man. He is same nigga. I've been knowing them for a long time like DJ Chos You know, I've been knowing them for a long time. It got to a point where Houston rappers appreciated me more than Dallas rapper because all the Dallas rappers was was was older than me or the same age That's crazy. And so they didn't take me they didn't take me serious. They appreciate me But although you were going through all of that you still got work You still had people who still mess with you regardless. No at that time the whole city was against me Because they realized they out there. I said something bad say even the high squad always been Because you was taking them all these different places yet No, that's like right now the whole city right now feel like This and that about Ryan water bomb taking up for the rappers and he about my rapper No, DJs don't have to play no record for my rap.   Then the niggas gone. They callin me. We asked. We out the state now But now it doesn't change that shit ain't on so so at the end so it ain't about my rap But at the time I remember back in the day I used to every time I book a show I used to book at least four rappers from Dallas at one time And we used to all go in there and and mob around the last time I ever did that is Super Bowl in Houston The last Super Bowl Houston. I book yellow Freddy and three Mm-hmm and in junior baby was a DJ and we all walked in there as one and it was a bunch of us from Dallas And we were performed and we made Dallas look good You that's that's the reason why I found a different type of respect for you when I researched you bro Yeah, like like you really like You didn't did a lot of work man Yeah I didn't even know like and and it was crazy because like I said when he was when when hit that said that or Or if I'm talking to definition DJs or whoever they always mention rain rain They're gonna keep bringing it shout out go DJ fresh different. He got a shout out Jack Frost. You know different people. Yeah K-Rock so you do have a lot of love in Dallas Respect him. I don't know how much they love but they don't realize cuz people don't say to your face But they don't publicly say right, but a lot of people let me say Jack Frost 19 20 years old like I said I was homeless so every day I used to wake up and go to uh And go to DGs and unix and get their free lunch damn 11 or 12 o'clock between 11 and 1 o'clock. He used to go DGs and unix. Did he know in the dates? Yep.   No, not really why? Wow, that's a good question Because they not realizing it's easy to ease the market You know saying it's easy market to run. Yeah, but with all of the the welcome my my chat my kids I'm man, I'm man that fucker. You know saying they're gonna realize They're gonna realize that on but at the end of the day they not then they it's easy because I watch other rappers come And get on There's nothing that nothing you come from another city You're gonna see a thousand niggas trying to get on stage in Dallas and get behind them and smoke we next to him I hate to bring this up, but I'm gonna bring this up I hate to bring stuff up We already talked about but I gotta bring this up called little Zach was on here right and look Zach when he was on here I remember you mentioned little Zach and I was like damn Makes sense to me little Zach said that he had something to do I heard old G Bobby Billion say that he you know, basically I heard a lot of people Not just that they just say cheese thing happened and that's where he's seen about but from according to little Zach Little Zach say he played the open end parts of that song before mode three even got on it He did Bobby Billion paid mode three to put on his page by being commie. No, I'm talking about that This is what happened Bobby Billion paid for the mode three to put on his page, right? So this may so then May three put on his pay three never listen to it.  And it'll Bobby be not realized. He already had posted. Yeah already posted and then Bobby Bobby was talking cool in cool Who's was that trying to go on the road trying to be cool? You know I'm saying trying to go everywhere we go. You know I'm saying, you know I got the message is Bobby from mode three Mo throughs in Miami big bro where you and pull up on you then three told me to like the day Broken love came out when three just did it in the kitchen the outside of the kitchen You see a Bobby trying to pull up on us. I said for real Yeah, yeah, he's trying to pull up on us, but you know, you know three will yeah, but three was a fan He's like Bobby music. Mm-hmm. You know, I'm saying I might feel bad for them They did it all wrong. Anybody I take the empire or anybody take to the deal I already know the structure of everything Mm-hmm. So you just got to follow my lead. Yeah, he had an album come out. Nobody heard of You're right But but he started to scale cause of outside, right? He was he scaled because of outside He's careful outside, but that was just a stepping stone You know saying I live for blessing everybody life in life. You know saying at the end of the day Me not getting no dial out of I'm trying to get Dallas to the point where I'm talking Dallas to the point where We in New York or Atlanta and they just don't look at it like Okay, that just you don't say there's such a stuff like right now I kind of make me mad and it kind of made me more hungry because I've been around the world lately and Every time I walk in the club they play outside I'm tired of this shit So now now I'm pushing for whole new song for mother. Yeah, cuz I realize you have the album supposed to be coming out soon Yeah, I got three more out. They just gave when is it coming? Come on now. Give us the exclusive I'm pushing for BT weekend cuz I want to take over BT weekend I'm on my three billboards be everywhere and BT weekend.  You know when is BT weekend? It's like in June. I think it's gonna be flight. Oh, yeah It's just it's it's just I don't know if I'm making that make it. Why cuz I got it's like clear since you got to do My three last a motree next album. He did a lot of remakes He remade a lot of songs, you know, so you got it all of that clear. Yeah, I get a lot of clearances and then a lot of verses I got some bad motherfuckers on there. I got no cap in motree. No cap could be a bit of banker Motree, I got a motree money bag. Yo song. That's uh, we trying to get cleared on there. I got a The motree and boost it gonna be ridiculous waiting the water Mm-hmm How many songs gonna be on the album looking for 15?  He got but know that here He gotta extend you for two more hours after this You got all them songs in your motree over 100 some wow And you picked out all the best ones to put out now I'm I'm building them You interview and stuff stuff to you about a good one time I'm just saying how do you pick it with all them songs that he has? How do you pick which ones you want to put out now? I'm building them. I Just let God hear me. Oh Listen, I was in the room the other day and I just be in the room sometime. I'll be walking around I can't believe in my Movie room. Mm-hmm, and it's a song and I ain't gonna tell y'all Okay And I'm like, I ain't never heard this I ain't heard this on a long time And three say a way I cut the lights out on this one And they just start rap I'm like, damn So I took that verse and took a hook from another song Now I made a hit.  What I'm gonna make all the blogs talk about again They go swear your life I gotta ask you this man because I seen your own scope to go TV and just now that you talked about the Gloominess and then the darkness and then you speak in the mode three that lady on there said that she was talking I'm gonna be that was a larris to me.  Yeah, don't make them You can tell she was a little bit out of touch with reality.   He howling the bro No people on that YouTube be crazy, but I don't make a lot of money out of them. You too. That's why I keep them on Yeah, I I'll book I'll book baby. See how straight North Carolina. It's Chris coach. Yeah, then I just got another booking for LA Straight out coach coach. Oh, really? Yeah People be tuning on this channel a lot But but I think you you got that part master when it come down to understand how to keep yourself relevant Cuz he love talking mess. No, he ain't really He be driving some jewels Anything anybody come at you. Yeah, but it ain't talking mess. They just got a listen They gonna be listening. They be thinking like right now people if I say man BJ.    No, I get it I don't think so, you know at the end of the day. I understand that I see back I see back and I just watched for people and they go lose even people around me right now They ain't realizing it's the blessing you around rainwater. No, no true You know what I mean? Well the manager walk around hanging up posters in the heat You know that ain't the only part the fact of all the work that you done did and stuff That's another I got a nigga sound without even dropping out I know that's what I'm saying That's the part that I look at like to be around you and the fact that you've made all of these different moves and In the time period that you've done it in that's the part that sticks out for me But it's a blessing, but if they're not utilizing that blessing as in you got to move on Right You gonna be more aggressive that was the first thing you told me when I ever first interviewed you that was the first thing you I'm gonna be more aggressive. Yeah, don't you? But there's a lot of people in this universe on this earth that could you the more people you help in different places Don't you think that's that's important? I know you with the North Carolina We baby see but there's a lot of talent you looking at the internet.  Are you too biased to Dallas?  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm a baby see not Dallas. That's the only one Yeah, I'm gonna give him this last string. It's just the last 10. Yo, yo, they don't if they don't if they don't they Realizing what's going on then I'm just leaving alone.  We're nigga.  That's how I actually talked to me like that. You know that he got real Yeah, he gonna say you're you're right. Oh, he never got too comfortable Need the label cuz he doesn't say yep. No three you're doing pretty good You did a hundred thousand streams a week. He'll sit there. Look at me say Right, I want to be able to stop the room when I come in not just take pictures I want the whole room to stop. I'm like, yeah, okay big cuz all I got is hustle in my body So every day I wake up right now. I swear to God.  I'll be rich for the rest of my life Swear to God, I'll be rich for the rest of my life I'll just sit back and wait for the most three chicks to hit but you don't have it in you to sit now No, no, I'm not here now. I go to the club every night. I Look for other opportunities.  I'm gonna build another artist. I'm gonna build. I'm gonna build another nigga. The young nigga. Just like me That's it. Uh, uh, 2g cash little manager. I like that little nigga. He just like me Oh, you know saying a little drage six-point drage that he just like me It's a lot of people that say you have your eyes on some get money Tim Yeah, they just got they gotta they gotta put a risk and take it step outside the box and trust God You know saying make sure you pay your ties You know saying I swear to God I want to go there with you now. I'm gonna tell you tithing time is something serious now. Yeah, listen, listen, uh Come November Come November. I pay my ties and I only had I only had 900,000 in my bank and I pay my I went out and got drunk When I got drunk, I pay my ties to my uncle Then I went to church with Charleston white and I watch him go up there. He paid his ties and Then next morning I woke up about 80,000 I can't Where it come from? It came from a check that was unexpected I checked the motree planning from me You know saying and I used to preach to him about paying the ties You know saying so So now you pay ties every week. I've been paying bill. Yeah, any money?  Yeah Man, I'm very wealthy right now And so I'm humble with her too because you know, then that could be this by now kind of designer and change Investing well, you know the word of God Ain't got any punch it. Yeah, but you know at the end I'm glad you said that because this is Miller that that's a thing Investing But look, do you think it's real y'all understand it look Look the only person at the Dallas era out of Dallas rappers. They ever invest Anything and y'all people overlook him is in me Really, he's the richest doubt. He's richest rapper outside of Post Malone outside of Erica I do he reaches Dallas rapper that ever came through. He's gonna see he killing him Yeah, I know you I don't understand you you said that you don't understand the NFTs or cryptos or none like that But I see you as the person and you haven't started investing that money yet But you're a person that love can figure it out and try to figure stuff out of how to You can figure out it do stuff Haven't you jumped on it yet try to figure it out already too late in the game being jumped on?  Don't don't do that. No listen. I'm not You can tell I understand the rap game because I have lived it You know thing I went from promotion this and that is never the other stuff It came in a little while. You got to take time and go research I got to marry a woman a woman that could be my other half to help me with stuff I don't need I'm gonna do this head and get the money now. You got to do your part over here That's what it's all about working. You got one in line man. I'll be trying man. This is sometimes Maybe gotta go overseas for that. I've been looking up in Jamaica Jamaica style. Yeah, I got you. Yeah I mean thank you though cuz you Yeah We want him to come up next Yeah, I got a question before he comes up. Okay, cuz I thought I saw something funny on Instagram And I wonder why you didn't post a whole video well when you had to wax up your nose I just like my nose still so what? What drove you to do that and where's the rest of the video? Did you they had to pull it out to get it out? No, no, you're not even pulled out. I took some scissors and cut this And I picked every day wax out my nose and she will help me pick a she was Do it I'll be until I'll pick up to the hospital Two hours getting this stuff out of there, so She had to get some oil to kind of loosen the wax So what convinced you to even go do because I'm just learning her and she said you go look at the first video My story she said who you got her sticking out your nose. I'm gonna give you a nose wax and you said, okay I just didn't know you're okay. Okay, so you never seen But when she put Yeah, it's warm then she did that. Oh, yeah, that knows from her Oh, that's the worst thing you can do. That's worse plan. It's worse than a Kobe test I mean, I got one more thing. I gotta ask him to I Gotta ask you go ahead. I'm gonna ask you one thing before she get off of here about Shoot this I was proud of this picture man this moment, you know, I did that the Grammy thing It was good for me, bro. Let me tell you something, bro.  Just you guys But I didn't get it through guys who you get in through um Lady name lavish for real from 300. I just was proud to see you up there man. I was like, man I'm a buck even in moving man. Yeah, that helped the city. That's a good look. Yeah, I'm going through a I'm going through the billboard award next week. Oh, yeah And the billboard war to be till I'm hit up every every wall They was shaking my hand and taking pictures with me and stuff like that. You move it Yeah, I'm trying to I'll just want real. So I'm trying to the that was born though Yeah, boy, right.  They don't sir. No food at the good at the Before you go. Yeah, so it's alcohol food. No high food. You got popcorn and No, no, no warmed up food not can't be that you can't you can't take it in the theater Chicken When they close when they close the door When they close the door, no, it's no and nobody else can walk through the door, right? No more walking So I thought playing a musical chairs.  I get all close I found myself right next to my tights He looked at me he thought he thought I'm about more more piece. I said more three He thought I'm a mode three knowledge. That's dope. Yeah, and he remember what I was I kicked him for last Did you get his number? Uh, I got a man. I got something It's all about connection. He gave me that link.  I'm gonna have my prom Yeah, I'll think about wearing that at first but look the jacket go all the way down to your knees That was a style. I got miss the hit that he said now.  You're going in I Mean, I feel like I feel like he was a comfortable state in mind Like I don't think he understood that You don't get this chance out of time So we can't do the same thing we did last year last year was around Dallas and you know Promoting kicking it this next year this year right here. We need to be around the world Then it's in the year after that you need to be so on where you you sign the audits is But show no, I agree you got a move elevate. Yeah, you got a move. So the things I'm seeing right now The things I'm seeing right now. I Want you to be able to Understand that and move for all that the Grammys were million and being there and they shaking my hand talking about mode three Man money Moses just pulled up as usual. Yeah, I always pull up. You know, this is your this is your guy Money Moses is here. So no, but you say when and The thing I looked at I Remember you saying man, we gotta go south by Southwest Right, and I don't know what their answer was to that But I just seem I could feel a frustration that you feeling like like they didn't want to go or it seemed that way I could be off-paced They wouldn't be more interesting You know that like they wasn't into going like I think that they don't understand You know, like, you know saying like that you got you know saying something sometimes, you know People don't understand something. I understand life like my mommy tell me go to college and go do this and go there And I understand it at the time, you know, I wanted to do was comfortable for me.  How was it like I ran it? I had me and the second the number one Spot that we can wow. Yeah, I ran so by Southwest, you know, six feet my street. Yeah. Yeah You know, yeah Sixth Street. Yeah, six three my street from Texas relays, you know, so Yes, so by Southwest Yeah, I read I ran Sabbath. I was Was all in the clubs through clubs, you know, it was out every spot. I was the energy down there This was the first one right back Okay, I got way to next room. I mean is that got a tool through my builders and uh, and uh, I'm just giving artists a platform to You know promote themselves, you know, you got a advantage because you you you've been successful in the stuff that you've done So with the artists that that are in your in your group under under your tutelage in your management They they should be able to capitalize off of the fact of the stuff that you already done But I don't think they understand see they three understood, you know three three understood what type of power I had in Austin You know saying cuz we've been down a three missus How about sideways?  I'm gonna talk somebody else money somewhere You just got to be understanding it see baby see understand that right now Father than anybody else to be around because he's willing to go around me and I've seen him down there too Trust it. Yeah I'm with the jail. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, so you know saying so yeah, I'm with the jail I perform up I recorded him singing this and that didn't yeah Then he got a he got a feature that he got that doing videos with Boog added He had this place in this place in this place this place and you know saying that then you're saying so, you know You work you got to be around you just got you got to be around but see sometimes when people get that that sometimes people get a vantage like like Right now my three was a Venice to me You know saying because he was a work. He was a workaholic So I never knew that when three was alive because you know, I used to rap so at the end of the day You know, I used to want to record and you ain't got tell me about buying no beats. I mean finding no beats or nothing like that so Three was a Venice to me. So I took that for granted. I wish it was here right now I could hug him say bro. I appreciate you making my life more easy Hey, you think seven right now for three legacy. I Mean To some he feel like Let me tell you this as a rapper Seven had a name before he came around us. Yeah, I know that but not a rapper name So you got sometimes yeah, you gotta divide the streets from the rap because you got a street name Don't mean they go book you for rap You understand what I'm saying.  You understand But when you become a rapper That's another that's a different type of you know saying so that's all I be trying to like preach to him like you know Saying like like I'm doing I'm not I'm out grinding You know I grind for If I feel like a rapper got my back a hundred percent. Yeah And if I die right now And they're gonna appreciate everything I did for them They ain't gotta worry about waking up at night and work or going to sleep at night because they don't understand that Once you wake up if you go to sleep right now and once by the time you wake up, you go no rain water been promoting Yeah, I always tell people you're a smarter person. No, don't come here with that Bro, don't come here with that because you seen the video he said I was gonna ask you that though. That's good stuff right there Yeah, man, he said you weren't a genius. That was good. That's what it's here with you know genius, though Yeah, it was it was a big thing because that was that was something with shone cotton came on here It was like it was that him or what was it? I think it was no, it was somebody he said rainwater ain't no damn genius He got upset about that on the show. I said, man, I can't wait to get rained over as I can see what was it was that Why are you saying no it would have been with zack You smart as fuck, but you know genie though He didn't say you smart that day that wasn't it. You didn't say that that day you say he ain't no genius Let me talk about zack You know zack was over there and top our records Let me be real with you that top out was pad pint little runny The t-wain jt There was our little group together zack was the weakest person out that group And when we needed the dj because I was dj and i'm on three sets. Okay the shows Nobody used to know if you ever heard of dj that was around us before zack They never went to the shows and dj Okay, never never like like like so people ever heard that there's a dj is a cool mode three They never went to the show. I had the dj the six and so I got to the point where we needed a dj and zack was overlooked by The people that he grew with and I brought him with us Now zack huge now Junior baby, I don't know. I think it was say cheese. I know say cheese.  I like I think that was the clearest one. He like you too. He was I'm gonna post my auditors. He wouldn't post them. Yeah, no that first He been talking baby. See look because he meant he he respected. He ain't like what people around he was doing to me Hmm, that's the first time promotion. I mean helping me with the auditors was Probably like last year two years ago.   I knew he was gonna say something.  Hey, you ain't heard it. I can tell you No, no, it's not there. I'm just saying people don't hear him like this. So they figured how he supposed to be I'm telling them right now and father. I'm please say that person's like marlin king Listen, we understand that. No, you don't understand it. You gotta follow the lead Listen, they're just like saying me. I got a badass album. Ain't nobody hearing me. No, I'm telling y'all That's cool. You can tell me I got a bad They still ain't understand what's going on. This is my listen.  It's some legendary shit going on They should the whole city right now should be behind under They should be behind under Straight up why are they not? Huh? Because they are stuck in they ways most dj's and most people in power. I made it cool to manage people Everybody got artists now Okay, so why you don't okay So why don't you you go outside of Dallas and get that recognition? No, that's that's cool But you know, I'm building they got a bit of foundation. I'm starting all the way back over They they go catch on three years ago three years from now. There's always in the strip club though Yeah, they don't play them.  Go listen to the album. Do uh, miss hit that play him over there at v live No Yeah, he not um Why not because it's not it's not it's not a trend right now to post Dallas. I mean to play Dallas rappers As a matter of fact, I guess I know hit that he played one one Hit that yeah hit that be at what's called. He'd be at uh at the radio station. He played at the radio station But break it in the club now. Yeah He played one of our yellow new songs. Yeah, I forgot which one it was but that was harder Oh yellows. Yeah, you know, it's not cool to be Reversing rain water Why? We got a question Since you dropped his album on the 22nd of april, how is it 29 also it came out late It came out six days ago because I know on your instagram you posted that it was going to come out on 22nd I made everybody go pre-order You're also a bad and so on the 22nd I wanted to get a whole bunch of notifications saying where to have So I can know how I was gonna do Yeah, how is it doing? How is it doing really? It's over a hundred thousand. It's past a hundred thousand streams. It's uh, it's doing pretty good with the end of the day Uh, it's not it's not my expectation because the whole Dallas need to understand that this is a whole another sound It's a whole another wave It's ain't this ain't nobody just coming out to sound like mo three. This is a whole other wave This is a powerful wave. This is this is the young the young generation mixed with the old generation to make a new sound in Dallas No, I get it. So, you know, I work me and worked hard and arguing damn near fault Uh fault over this album and we got to make sure he's right.  I get it Um, I take money The biggest thing going on in Dallas right now. They don't play on the right. She always She showed love to you. She's got a lot of love for you. Nah, I'm gonna tell y'all Bro, I know why though.  Lizette Young Al from Houston. So she got a lot of love for you. Yeah, she's been around us. She know you I'm just sitting there one day. Give me waiting on me. Yes. Yes.  Yeah, take money.  No, she making her own waves.  She doing her own show? Yeah, so it man, I think I'll get the house of blues.  I'm for soon. I leave here. I'm from college house I'm gonna put tape money. I'm gonna put Dundun in there. I'm gonna put everybody Y'all house arrest you can get him in there. Uh, we've been offering job work at that y'all just motivate me Hey, make sure you put me in there too. I got you.  I'm gonna diss you.  Yeah, I seen him in his first video interview And he said that he had planned to work with mode three when he came home Yeah, and and I'm trying to understand that because when I before he left It was a whole group thing. Of course. He was over there You know about why how did how did he come over there? Were you and him linked while he was locked up or and I want to talk to him Well, I was like, how would he think he would be able to do something with mode three? He said mode three was a real nigga and shouted him out mode three The only person shouted him out while he was locked up. So nobody else did Uh-huh Really? Yeah, I like Ma'serati. I talked to him. I talked to him down there three times a week three days a week after week Y'all like Ma'serati It was a picture floating when all of them was on the picture together Uh a long time ago ticket. Yeah, what uh You think Would him being gone or would him being here? What would have changed or how would it? How would how do you see that playing out if he'd have been around during our people wanted him to leave He had too much money In the midst of little balls Okay, but I'm saying do you think it would have played out differently or he would have Yeah, because when he left it was a race to be the boss of the city the number one spot in the city Everybody wanted the number one spot and that's when he messed up it Yeah, that's what they fucked up it because at the end of the day everybody everybody wanted the number one spot In Dallas, but it gotta be a point guard Gotta be a solid point. You know what I'm saying? not no, not no, uh Not no shrewder not no, uh, uh, uh, uh, not no goddamn, uh Bronston I like bronston, but gotta be a solid point guard And then in this run of plays and everybody else By the league and then that's how you win championships How was the relationship with the Ma'serati and mode three when all it's when it was all together How was this this whole that explain that diagram to me that was cool Is the mode three with the track boy fretted if y'all all of them cats when they was rocking together I wish three was alive because three was like I tell three he was more cooler with uh Three more cooler with both of them before Ma'serati. Okay, and then at the end when he died he the only person that publicly said and how mode three was go hard mode three was a stand-up nigga And I don't think three but three probably wouldn't even believe that right now Really? Yeah, he wouldn't believe that that that that ma'serati kept it real Because ma'serati seemed to be you know, he he out now and uh, he a grown man. He didn't grow up. He a grown man So, you know, at the end of the day, uh you know Yeah, I forgot what what's the biggest change in his character before he left to the the guy he is now I know you say a grown man. I really know You didn't know oh, you didn't know him like that. I know we just doubt the mother and I really know Ma'serati tell me a lot of people tell me later. I won't be around anywhere. I look goddamn jerry.   You know what I'm saying? So we didn't know Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, I'm cool with I'm yeah, I'm cool with You know, I'm saying different people but we didn't know him like that. So, you know, when he was a jay He's reaching out. He talked to him all the time.   It was doing it.  Just know the rap game is not loyal.  They'll leave you out. I hate to say it. Charleston white He made it popular for everybody To get Podcast interviews made me get views. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?   Yeah, that's right That's your cotton statement, right? Well, that's true.  So you get money?  What's your cotton saying on here? Niggas $5,000, he's gonna lose it. God damn, man What are you gonna do with baby C, man?  Shit, I could have gotten him a deal two weeks ago But why it wasn't a deal you wanted? No, I'm doing for a make a deal I'm, you know what I'm saying? I ain't I'm looking for a make a deal Make a make a deal like a dumb deal like I'm literally looking here. I'm looking for a make a deal Let me ask you this because empire that's some people that you really locked in with A lot of people give them a blackout a lot of time saying that people that signed today label pass away or there's always issues um Do you Do you you evidently goes against the grain because you you've been with them a long time? Yeah, like why do you think they got got that stigma? Uh, because they take chances on rappers And they don't control a rappers Okay, you know what I'm saying?  So, you know another other labels is they own you So when you sign this data line, we want you to move out here to I studio record just at our studio. That's what you got to do Empire, you know, we in partnership with you 5050 with you in your company I can even sound no digger there. I gotta do what y'all gotta do. I don't have Yeah, you will Man the money right now. Yeah I hear you think that anybody on money with me you can't tell me to do He different no, but they're not he different you but they they they they not man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See see See it's like rappers if they was around me right now saying you can't tell me what to do. No, that's different If I called you and said nigga, you need to be at South by Southwest That's cool.  No What's the difference after them two years? You might be a star. You might have Ali connects Ali I think you might have songs but this person got some like you said I can stay around you and go No It's the same thing is a small smaller control and you know, I need you go south by southwest for a whole weekend That's cool. Right.  You only get 200 fans You stay in Atlanta for two years. You got a million fans. I'm gonna get there regardless He ain't gonna make I ain't standing over there. I'm gonna make it Why you don't think don't make it? I'm not signing no deal like that, bro. Why I'm not signing no deal Man, it's a blessing signing. No, it ain't bro.   I know what you talking about. You saying they deal was kind of deal. Yeah deal wasn't right You got to give up something The deal was right to get your foot in the dough I gave up something But you still came out.  You got to get me.  Let me say bro. You got invited to the you got invited to the grams.  See me on the red carpet walking walking like I'm pd I'm waving that niggas on you know The answer is man. Hey, darling perception though. I'm shaking niggas hands. I work my way out of it I'm sitting next to I'm sitting next to Mike Tyson. Mike grandpa was happy I gotta say this though because a lot of times I hear you say tape money I hear you say little earl and you talk about the Dallas scene, but you never mentioned Erica banks Why is that? I uh, I'll be forgetting about her Because I happen to say why you don't never mention Erica bank. Yeah, she don't show me no love She don't show you no love, but why should she she don't know you do she? Yeah, I show you my text message right now.  I text Erica back and said I told me it's this girl It's this girl that was on love and hip hop now in summer bunny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know summer bunny can sing Okay. Yeah, I didn't talk to a few times and I told Erica.  She said in her inbox.  I want to manage.  This the mafia Oh, it's different Three sands of mafia the black cooker clean. Hey He might have been through our legs. You ain't trying to hear that. Nah. Yeah, she wouldn't want to leave But but but that was good for her situation was good with 1501 But you know at the end of the day, I mean at the end of the day her uh her style of rap at the end of the day I never knew what I kind of wanted for the girl You know what I'm saying? I ain't know what I wanted for a great now. I know Okay, well, yeah, because you got a girl now. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, what's her name again? Pink pressure pink pressure Yeah, I'll be through. I'll be too hard on her man. You know sometimes But is she gonna be able to make this happen? Yo, yo, we uh We gotta come we gotta come together. You know, she gotta understand. She's just like Yeah, sometimes I see these younger rappers. I'll be too hard on her But but but when she got pregnant though, did that slow things down? I would never let nobody pregnant go to the club me or put them in horns way because anything can happen They just lost two people You know I'm saying maybe in the West Coast. So, you know at the end of the day I would never never did that. You know saying there and right now Like she be trying to she want to move with me this she want to move around with At the time. Yeah. Yeah, you try to promote herself. But uh, you know, it's all about timing You know, not man mode three mode three tell me he was behind Pukuliro Okay, and Pukuliro was the hottest nigga in the streets at the time.  Yeah, about three four years And and when done done was around us done done around us that's what I told baby baby say Call me say right at nigga. There's james. I've been telling you about him for four years And so he said oh, yeah, he said you have I said, yeah, but it's his time You know saying so it's all about timing. I mean pink last year it wasn't her time You know saying I needed to get out of the The female orders out the way, you know saying and come with a whole another sound man.  That's crazy. You said I need I need you talk about the Nothing to talk about when you got to wake up every day and feed that baby on your own or or just give me some pain Don't every every girl ain't having a hot girl summer Ain't nobody talking about pain away. It's some cold.  That was a time when everybody was talking about the dope and how the dope was selling But they wouldn't talk about going to jail and getting busted and pimp see remember he spoke about that He came and he was like cuz I remember when I first listened to him Now we now now they got me running from the feds at any rate. Oh, no, it was good Yeah, just make sure but anyway, man when you think about what you did what you're doing It's the same thing.  It was straight killing Yeah, sure.  Yeah three You can't talk about that that second album. Do you know what I had to do to keep my life? So I'm gonna take him to church. He changed it up You know saying no love. He was still rapping fat But he started he started making hits that people can grow with Not just everybody ain't no killer But everybody feel like they went through the struggle eating the suburb niggas. I know I know a bunch. I'm from the suburb, right?  We had good mammals.   They came from pain You know what I'm saying?  I didn't realize that time m. Oh three He really went through yeah, and he told me one time. Yeah, you know, right? I had to sleep outside I said niggas sleep right by the apartment door one that told me I don't even know this thing He was like that niggas sleep by my door. I'm like what he's asleep by my door as department He said rain. He said he said I said yeah, I'm gonna kick me out. We got to sleep outside too. I said Yeah, I slept in the car. He said oh, no, I ain't had no car She had no car No, I slept outside outside outside Yeah, I think it really went through. Yeah, so no, I said at at at at the end of the day at the end of the day I thought I was a blood when I met him. I'm from the suburb thing. I'm a blood because that color's red Every time you see what's up love so blood time in my three.  I'm a Our school color's red You know, it's uh, it's so once you talk about that struggle you can relate to a lot of people in the world Because in everybody's own way They went through the struggle. Wow man, you you're crazy.  Yeah, you heard it and they What did you say you didn't you like when he right? You didn't like when he going there Yeah, you like you didn't like when he freestyle No, because when he went in the kitchen before He would write that he'll write that in his head when he went in the kitchen in the in the kitchen freestyle He wrote that in his head So he prepared when he went to the studio But now the young niggas they ain't not prepared. They're just punching in but anything punching in And you man come on y'all this y'all last check.   So when three sometimes they go in there freestyle I was like man, I'm gonna go But then when I know he went to the kitchen and I wake up and he did in that kitchen I'll be counting next morning. Come on You go record it. You know when I call we'll shoot we'll shoot the video the next day Yeah, you knew how to work with it. Yeah, I knew how to work with him But do you think it's fair though because I don't know are you working with these other artists like you was doing him Are you giving them the afforded opportunity? I'm pushing because you would you would you went through depression too? You can't say that you didn't go through a depression So so there was some time where you did some things to where It probably didn't go right with them artists is because they were going through stuff too. Y'all took a big loss Yeah, but just record they go get us after depression music. Give me out of depression me working get it Give me out of depression. I ain't no money. Give me.  Yeah, you gonna see me. Yeah, that motivated me.   Oh, we ain't from miss. I'm yank for the outward me But when you when I go in the club and Everything they play outside. It's like more three promoting. They sell more than these niggas He's he beating them from the grave actually beating them from yeah. Yeah passing. He's so so give me something to work with I get it. I get it. You know what I'm saying? No, I got it I don't have to be around for you to do any work I can't speak on let me tell I can't speak on dundum because you know dundun is on house arrest You know what I'm saying? He's on house arrest But at the end of the day, let me let me let me catch your life When you get off because we don't know yet, but let me catch your life. Let me let me let me Niggas you got you got a chance to be great Not just good great Let me switch gears. I seen seven and he was performing and didn't seem like it was getting a lot of engagement They turned it back on after me. I was now what turned it back on.  I seen it. I don't remember. I just know I seen it I would have stopped there, but sometimes people would not understand what I'd be doing I would have stopped you wouldn't let him go out like that Man ain't no orders around me performing in no crowd that's less than 500 people He did that on his own with his new manager. I don't know what he got going on You know what I'm saying? But I just know it looked it. Yeah, it didn't look like nothing that because he hadn't been out In a while last time I seen him before that it was kind of I seen him with with doing a video with uh With uh, I see him doing a video with money man That was the last time I really seen him and I think you and him y'all had to be doing that together something But then after that I ain't seen him or did I see him On you know with the people they backs turned to when I'm trying to figure out what's going on really Yeah, man, like man, I'll be trying to preach for great But see me like I wasn't gonna understand.  He ain't never disrespect me. That's dope He ain't never fixed his mouth to this baby because he appreciated me You understand what I'm saying When three was allowed some people didn't have no deals. Yeah, but you can't just not listen They didn't have no deals and three's alive Yeah, but you can't gauge it off that because of the fact of the stuff that y'all them the struggle that y'all them been through Me and them me and them really do y'all know y'all can really talk about the stuff y'all just went through Yes About all the stuff that they went through losing both me and that should be the song Listen me and them went through bigger struggles than me in mode three But why y'all not putting that on the song? I'm not a rapper No, but you got them exactly so work Dundun don't don't don't have came in a rainy days That was me and him sitting studio during rainy days was the power of motherfucker. You know what I'm saying life of a soul Dundun album is jammy But you know at the end of the day at the end of the day I want to come through the dough as a force Ray Lewis, you know what I'm saying? Ravens Ravens defense, you know what I'm saying.   Let me tell you like this mode three budget for his his record label right his record deal uh Mode three budget was a hundred thousand Right, so you know you pay for studio time features for that you pay for Everything that you need with that, right? Uh when we turned in the album, we still had a hundred thousand Wow So that's why you had the billboards around everywhere Yeah, because we never used the budget because he seen the bigger picture ran. I want to be a star I just don't want to be Good. I want to be a star I gotta ask you a question. This is gonna throw you off a little bit probably because I'm thinking over here. Um When they did the outside song, right? They did uh, they did blue face version then they did mode three version um Blue face supposed to be the bigger artist um mode three uh supposed to be uh, the uh, the artist that came Hold on. Let me let me finish. Uh, the artist that came up, you know, pretty much more flourished more after Uh, he had passed but but to some people But who wins if you put a versus together between blue face and mode three Who wins that blue and and and it could happen because UGK doing one and I'm seeing out here no more But I'm just that just made me think of that like who you think could win and With their song selection, you know how they play the songs.  I mean in texas. Well, not in texas. It could be this is they just gonna meet up Yeah, around the world It's gonna meet up But you're gonna have to come on with now right where we stand today How would he take our blue face? outside for show everybody angel free broken love and um Around the world. He got a deep enough catalog. Is it 20 songs they do?  You know that I don't think uh, blue face got 20 songs That's the word. No, I think you got two Yeah, you're right. You're right. Uh, yeah, that's why So you still you you sticking with the fact mode three will take blue blue face out because they're gonna sing every word You don't say that's what I get to every word to the whole album. Yeah, you can look. Let me tell you this That's why whack 100 Really try to bulldog us and take that song Why is that he here ever flew Bobby out there and shot the video a week after three die But he couldn't he couldn't it couldn't penetrate what had already happened though No, no, no, yes, it was it wasn't a beat no mode three version around the world Okay, they were trying to they were trying to stop. They were trying to stop by Kyle Bobby.  Because because at that time my mode three in the kitchen freestyle was going around the world Yeah, and people was looking at that then I look up Him and blue favor shooting video So they were trying to run with that Wax it at one time mode three or you know, they cool, you know, but blue face version better.  Look at his album Motree ain't on his album blue face is He was pushing for the blue face version because you know down south got tired of people saying that's mode three song It's mode three song. It's mode three song. Let's come on.  I didn't even heard it Yeah, I heard it.  I mean the blue face version. He was pushing it So they come to the verses and they you play both songs That that that outside that mode three guy gonna take it out every day The whole crack will say god give me a second chance Around here in Dallas you can click up you can click up all them rappers on the other side right now All five of them, you know what I'm saying go click about five Bobby including over there And put mode three by itself with him gone You know what I'm saying? So you get five niggas over here in mode three by i'm a represent mode three, right?  I want to have them click up But in song come on mode three everybody sing word for word Word for word. No matter where you go. They don't they don't sing them niggas don't work By by three four one by three four songs out of five different niggas over there They'll still sing word for word, but over here They sing out loud Mob with that. Yeah, that niggas jam so hard.  I man nigga. I was talking man.  Hold on. Hold on Hold on. I was easily with a propeller not a crowd want to hear that voice. Damn, man I listened to that mob with it one day. I was like this nigga here.  Did you hear what I just said boy that whole went so hard I was listening to it. What was in houston? I'm gonna ask you about that too. We was in houston and I'm gonna tell you some houston play houston music on the radio continuously all day They do and that was all day. Did you hear what I just said? I know I know I showed my wife.  So let me ask you this because I had asked uh, little kiki uh, and I asked esg too esg said the reason that houston went before dallas and kik because they found they sound he said but dallas the different people He talked about the quint black days the all the different rappers out the blue chipoo all them sounded different Then like houston they all kind of sounded the same. It's kind of how you explained it to me. Is that what you think? Uh, you see what I'm saying what makes what makes houston develop so much faster and so much more Than a than a dallas when they come down to our foundation Uh Uh, they got bosses in charge Okay If I get into a one thing I can go I can go with another boss out there And everything would be good. There we go squash this you put this and you go squash this or here in dallas The young the rappers is the bosses Ain't no more dope dealers than rappers. I mean the the the rappers are bigger than dope dealers The rappers are bigger than dope dealers I agree with that because the entrepreneurship took over all the dope dope all the dope dealers in dallas want to be rappers Or sell dogs they'll sell dogs Me and bobo was talking I gotta ask you this question man I gotta ask you this question. Ain't nobody dope dealer. Oh nigga. They want to be a rapper That's what I'm gonna ask you who if if who do you think in your eyes? Don't put mode three in this. Uh, but our mode three. Uh, who should have been the biggest rapper to ever come out of dallas young black Young black boy. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot What happened why didn't he become that they dropped the ball? How did he drop the ball?    You you you like because people make these statements, you know Some people say that, uh, uh, you know My partner bobo say snake did a lot for the city when he was doing the music This was a long time ago. The uh engineer. Yeah, yeah for for the music said that, uh doc and I got to get I quote the doc came to him before he left to go to california I can't tell you one doc song Formula nigga you young you don't know formula. That's what I'm saying. That was gonna get behind their rappers They should they should they should be playing it They don't say they don't play it on the radio. That was a big if you got a hues and they go play They playing Beyoncé old stuff. They playing all the old stuff The old music they playing it. I can't tell you one one doc song But why they don't play it though, right? I don't know what we need that's why I'm trying to figure out We need everybody need to get collective understand.  They don't do it because they don't because they nobody All rappers is collective and now people that's in charge of a career about they self and they on orders but sometimes people be thinking I be caring about What I got going on, but I try to speak for the whole Dallas because I need them to get back high man, if I give Dallas back back how I'm gonna be booking niggas 30 40 thousand dollars show I hadn't heard you say nothing about big extra plug either. I don't know much about them But I don't like that drill music. That's what it is I don't like too many people dying too many people going to the feds You you on this new kick or I say new kick you on this kick now about helping the people not to Talk about drill music talk about guns.  None of them looked out at your mama. You're okay.       Yeah, you could tell now Yeah, it's been almost what a year and a half. Yeah You can tell.  I'm Phil Jackson right here. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna bust the door done done Then it's gonna be reopened You'll be reopened But y'all got you got a list of what I'm saying. See people be thinking I just be hating Hating and sometimes people like you just talking myself.  You don't see them niggas at the grimm You don't see them niggas at the boutique. Well, you don't hear them.   You don't see bro.   I keep saying that people be thinking because new york got drill music I'm talking about down south Dfw drill music only thing they're leading you to the fairs or getting killed Straight up straight up. It ain't cool. I mean It ain't bro. It ain't cool to be beefing It ain't nigga. I got this straight up. It ain't you know what I'm saying?    Y'all didn't speak about sometimes people gotta be theyself Man, I seen the niggas. I seen another nigga.    If he talked about his life, he lived he lived more poor than a lot of these rappers out here growing up He had a big struggle like so you gotta do is speak on it You know what I'm saying?  The nigga ain't booking no shows One last time you see a drill rap book or show No, you you got the key to the fact of who booking shows and how shows are booked.  Mm-hmm like straight up niggas don't want to burn a bridge with another niggas So they don't say man, man. I'm just gonna let you yeah, that's your jam.  You you always you you different because You you understand the blog world you looking at all this stuff from from the leverage of what you're going to do to develop an artist and all kind of stuff How how the bloggers this world that we live in now they seem to be more popular They're online. They can go on live to do whatever and you the audience should be doing that. I made it like that Oh brother last year so I couldn't go outside I couldn't fly nowhere So I just went live and got on people lives from I seen you do that. I seen you do that But that helped a lot of the movement man. This year. You see me flying everywhere every week.  Yeah, that's how I promoted last year but You gotta understand you you are business head and in Dallas. Uh, you made the gatekeeper list Yeah, you always make the gatekeeper list. I move every year. You do you like the gatekeeper list? Do you think it's relevant?  They don't understand that They say they don't like a lot of people don't like they live man. They gotta look at their list Let me go through that list right now. Let me go. Okay.  They got guy gave them a second chance See some rappers even around right now. They're comfortable because they never had a second chance That's why three was so hungry because he got out the pin and got a second chance facing 10 years So I don't want rappers.  Look, let me show let me show you this. Okay. Let me show you this All right, so car cry for yeah Yo, yeah Crop for bad motherfucker.  I mean he still came up south walker. Yeah south walker South walker. Yeah south walker south walker. Yeah me uh radio Radio right radio got the hub. Yeah, you need to get some music and you gotta we got a badass student over there So, yeah, he's a gatekeeper here, uh, baby. Yeah This move a girl. I don't know too much about him. Freddie. Yeah, Freddie. Freddie them Freddie help hot boy west Yeah, sure. Do you know what I'm saying? Freddie. Okay. I can't lie about that. Freddie re Freddie damn their head yellow Yeah, because we I didn't know where he came from uh Jake money on him about him bubble DJ bubbles around me growing up bubble used to DJ my college parties Nobody knew that when I was 19 18 20 bubbles one DJ and all my college party So DJ bubble had paint. He got his channel. You know what I'm saying? He was filming to feel Charles the white I believe Charles white should be up there because at the end of the day Y'all don't understand the type of those Charles white and open up with me and just you know what I'm saying, um Uh, shamo shamo shamo shamo throwing big shoes party So all this should be paying him to open up everywhere.  He's saying Tony. He run the san Antonio market, uh dark skin Y'all dark skin to get everybody on uh On a world store. So it's some people that they they have forgotten. They didn't they didn't put on her You know what I'm saying? They didn't put on make it next time. Uh, now they They just don't know DJ mr. Rogers. Okay in houston Uh, uh, uh d wheeler germany manager um Uh, uh, dj hella yellow and houston. Uh, so, you know, it's a lot of people if I forgot you know I mean the whole lizak lizak should be on there. I thought he was on there. He was on there.  Yeah, he was on there first. Yeah, it was when the official list came out. They took him out Okay, you know what I'm saying? I dang sure seen him on there because I was when I had him up here I knew june back with the dj. Yeah, june baby dj.  Uh, uh back of dj money bag.  I gotta ask you this, uh, uh about the white girl that went viral this, uh, she singing uh Actually drake song and a couple of drinking somebody else's song. She went she didn't went crazy on the internet What would you do with her? Would you be able to because I need her? I need to come to white girl. You see what I'm saying? She went crazy I need to go to the I need to have an artist at the Grammy boy. Yeah, I see me Yeah, I see my boy y'all If y'all see if they call my artist name out at the Grammys I'm gonna slide across that stage hitting their baby like Michael Jackson. I like that baby sound the new moon Why? You know what I'm saying? I need an artist to hit that Grammy man. Like that's wonderful So you went crazy just in one day though. So I mean where's she from? I don't even know I just I got a trip talk no pill talk sent that to her She was lip singing but she knew it.  Yeah, a little baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was uh No, no, she just think so White girls out there y'all trying to y'all think y'all blew up. Yeah, y'all think they go blow up out there No, that girl was dipping. She had swag. She was making she was making the justice She had it going like she was really on it. Oh, no, that girl had swag Let me let me ask you about this a day she fell last last night They whooped a nigga all up and he tried to run up on the stage And they whooped a nigga all the way in the back broken shoulder and broken broken shoulder bribes What do you think about that? Jamie Foxx was in it too. Nigga tarot takes a stand up. I'm scared of the industry That she just didn't happen. I know her. Oh, so you think they set it up Oh, he had a gun and life on him. Yeah He tried to do what um Will Smith Yeah So you think he came in with that ill will?  He know now he was a rapper He was a rapper? Yeah, but but it's hard like like it man. I'm scared of the industry Bro, they running up on stage What do you think would happen if they run up on stage with you in mode three up there doing them song like this? I would tackle You know, I you know when we when we went out of town just three of us me second three And so that could be DJ and I stand next to three and go look at any show in youtube You'll see me standing right there. You know, I don't know what I could do.  Yeah, you gotta hold on to it. You know what I'm saying? I don't let them go. I wish I was in that car with three that time They got to shoot now with a ram. I would I would talk now to grab him And now with a ram that cover. Bam. Yeah, that's right. They would have been talking about a rick on 35 Damn, you know what I'm saying? No, that's what you and that's something I thought and I'll talk about that a little bit before we get out I really when I when I seen it. I like this.   I wouldn't I was young. I might have been about 12 I might have been about 10 or whatever needle needle was driving It had a bunch of wood on the whole sort of falling off the wood stuff on me My intention I was going to get out try to get away from it But he pulled my arm back in and he said staying in his truck. He said man, don't you get he said that would Have killed you out there But he's told me different things like that that really helped me to stay alive or helped me to understand life I just thought about that when I see mode three and I'm like, dang He should have stayed in that car now the ram to heal again You see what I'm saying because that car still could roll. I'm so it's a weapon. I'm scary. Yeah You know what I'm saying? He ain't scared. I know three got the car ready for war. I know that but I'm just saying if he was Yeah, man, I was scared.  That's it. I would kept ramming the car That's it and then and went around him on four wheels. Yeah, because it'll drive on rim If he wasn't scary, I mean if he was scared he could have got away because I hear dude jump out of the media and go Man, yeah time to do that man. So he didn't want to you know what I'm saying? Just like at that club that night. I seen too many guns I got running with night Hmm. Uh-oh. What's night? Yeah, the night The night is a million dollar night. I got you. Yeah I just tripped off just stopped bought about that man. Let me tell you something every time you come through This interview gonna be epic. I already know it because of the stuff that you say I already know man. You do a good job, bro. Uh, and and and I don't think I get enough credit But I know how to sit in this seat too later. You know Every time you interview somebody else, you don't ask them real live questions. You come with it though I don't have to ask you question.  I appreciate mode three mode three made a way for me You know what I'm saying? So everybody of you in the wrong is what you saying? Everybody because at the end of the day, bro, when three die, I could have said the same thing Nigga, nigga, I'm gonna ask niggas. I've been I've been that nigga before I even met him My name been big before I met him. That's different for you. You y'all came up together longer time. No I'm gonna say that new text relay all the booky movie booky move the boogie movement was big in this movement I know that so I could have sit there and when people sit there and say mode three made you I could have sit there and say my name was bigger big. You're right. You're right. That's why I went on this interview today I wanted to really I got to get this dude award or something man because Let me tell you something, bro The way that you the the what I heard about you like you just said you could have did that I never you knew you never mentioned I had to ask you about it today and I don't really be hearing a lot of people even talk to you about it Now man bt awards of uh, uh, uh, uh spring of mtv awards.   So so niggas just tell me that night.  Niggas. Don't you know I was bigger than I didn't even know. Yeah, hell yeah, but I learned the people brought it to me. Yeah They don't know either. They know they don't want to say you think they know me everybody around here know What's up?  Man.   This and that this and that Then when he died like y'all did good. This and that this and that y'all did good together You know, they'll praise when he died then it came back three months later and say man, you know, you got lucky with mode three What they gonna say when none of them pop or baby see No, I think I'm gonna be honest for me I would rather see you kind of like We had a podcast but there's so many people you could help You know too much not to you could be spread out more thinner than what you what you are Now I need my city first. I understand what you're saying But the world you got to understand there's a lot of talent out there You when you look on the internet that internet is for just for across the state What I'm gonna do with the marriage game. Come on When I go to the marriage game But the marriage I got a question because sometimes To get your city you got to go out there and you see the jump on it afterwards because that's how reality is a lot of times They jump on it afterwards and it's sad to say not the business man I'm just telling you the people P. Diddy got his city shook my city. They didn't have to go nowhere So I'm letting y'all yeah, but it's some people that did though No, no, I'm saying I'm not but some people P. Diddy was kind of they didn't have to go He didn't have to go nowhere. His initial city was dallyed. So at the end of the day This last string of artists. I got one more little 14 year old. I'm gonna help his mama in prison He run the streets. He run the streets right now.   You know what I'm saying? But y'all better play the mode 32 Yeah, you want the city? Yeah, y'all want the city to pop because if the city pop, you know how much money we're gonna make You're gonna bring money to the city Man, I'm gonna be booking shows for two more than the shows. It's so ridiculous right now back in the day You know the $80,000 was for uh, island rappers in uh in hawaii If that was this time of day, man, it would have been a I would have chosen to get $200,000 Yeah, but you can do that in every city though You know the formula you can go to other cities and do that same thing No, I need this generation But you already got baby C up in North Carolina. I know you them been up there doing videos and everything else Do you know why I got them got him or he was tapped in the Dallas They hold city Dallas down. They hold state Dallas down That and and that's why you tapped D. Man. They man. They hold state down I be I'll know Carolina taking pictures. I why I tell the niggas around me niggas. You just gotta follow me Niggas niggas any rapper I'm put like this any rapper around here Y'all don't have to come in my inbox if y'all see me post where I'm gonna be at catch the flight You're rock with them. I just catch the flame. Come on I'm there. We outside And half the time flying by myself because they took my best friend You know what I'm saying? So so at the end of the day, so even the rappers around me even even the rappers around me I'm by seven just go I'm sometimes I'd be so I'd be so angry at y'all Yeah, I ain't understanding what's going on They got yeah, I put them So any rapper there's around me In in in rapper y'all see me fly to town just go Them people brought them people brought North Carolina North Carolina never knew I was on country right now, but North Carolina like They show us so much love. They cook for me. They damn people praying for me I'm walking through the mall. They taking pictures.  Little tuesday. They asked about all kind of rapper. They tuned in Yeah, but you putting that work in too now.  They already know about They showing them love. Yeah, so at the end of the day At the end of the day, they showing them love at the end of the day you come back to Dallas Niggas at more rappers at the dog shows and South by Southwest You're lying, man. They're lying, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'm not lying. They asked them Bro, I'm talking I'm telling bro. They're asking about all kind of rappers and I'm like damn. How y'all know them? How y'all know them? How y'all know them? And I hear they are pretty complaining talking about the bloggers We don't need the bloggers and we don't need this and we don't need that and I so I took a rapper from North Carolina And you and use Dallas formula that he's streaming 100,000 a week or one one song Yeah, that's how I did you all with no money. All I do is take him with me and say saying this song I ain't put no money behind him. I got the money. I ain't even a spoiler You want him to see this? Yeah, I want to see I want to come up.  We'll come up and we'll come up and take the step. I like take you If I got him a hundred thousand dollars right now, I don't think he'll be as hungry That's right.  So he ain't saying the same Don't talk the same You know, right now when he's on talking about that church with no grill in his mouth, they believe him They can they can touch his they can they can they can feel the humbleness and the spirit in him Yeah, if you came back to all them watches and she like that niggas like you talking about that church Oh, yeah, you can you say it's like it's like the same nigga, but you know Everybody come say that they want the church after they got a little jeer But say it when you hump when you broke.   Man, we appreciate you for coming on the show. You wanted the dope ones, man We we definitely uh, we they on bobby bill. You just tagged me. Let's see right now. Thank you Check it man. Hey man. It's been another great segment of boss talk What happened he tagged you he tagged me he didn't tag me in a long time. Hold on. What he tagged you about I'm gonna have a whole another conversation.  He says 73 million Uh, uh, I'm here to say goofy. Uh, take it outside out. It's gonna be it's gonna be too me. I'm gone Hey, man, check it man. It's been another great segment of boss talk. What on what what a boss is talk


Hello and welcome to NewsClick. The Adhar case is rarely out of the news these days. We've seen a regular stream of stories in the media on citizens being denied various rights, also various instances of identity and data theft. Now, the UID has also recently come in for bad publicity over its handling of the Tribune case where the Tribune exposed the sale of UID data. Now, meanwhile, the Adhar case is coming up for hearing again in the Supreme Court on the 17th of this month. Now, to discuss the case and understand some of the more recent stories surrounding Adhar, we're joined by Usha Ramanathan, who's a legal researcher and someone who's actually been associated with the campaign for seven or eight years, if not more already. Now, first I actually wanted to find out about what exactly is the status of the case in the Supreme Court since Adhar seems to be being made mandatory for more and more things every day despite the supposed order of the Supreme Court saying it shouldn't be made mandatory. Is there likely to be a quick resolution to this matter given that many seem to be worried that the government is going to rely on a fatal comply argument saying they've invested so much, there are so many millions and billions of people in the database already. When the case, when the project came in right in the beginning in 2009 and we started studying it, we knew the project could go in one of two ways. Either it, it's an excellent technology and it works very well as technology and the scheme and the project and all of it is fine for the, at least for the project proponents and that could be a problem for us because it could still have surveillance built into it, it could still, you know, and there would be problems of that kind or the project itself could be fundamentally in its conception defective and in its, in the kind of things that it brought into the project, there could be problems of such a deep nature that it cannot work. Either case we were worried about it. What we are seeing over the years, however, is that it's not, I mean, there are so many, this is, you know, this is a project that was started with untested technology. They just decided on biometrics without knowing whether it will work or not. Today when you have people dying, you have denial on the other side. I think it's, the project has shown itself as being irresponsible enough to treat too many things as collateral damage and that is not good, I mean, it's not good coming from anywhere but when it comes from a state and it affects its own citizens, I think that speaks of a different order of problems. So what we find over this period of time is a project that is bad in conception. In its, bad in terms of the kind of technologies that it used, that is amazing. If you read the history of biometrics and what they knew, I should actually say what they didn't know about biometrics over this period of time. If I tell you that in 2015, as late as that, in 2010, September, they started collecting their biometrics from everybody. In 2015, August, after the privacy referral, referral, referral in 2015, there was on their website, they said that and in that privacy referral, there was also one line from the judges which said that if a court requires, then you must give biometrics to them. Now, if you have to give biometrics to the court, then it means you must be clear, not to the court, on the court's orders, then it must be technology that is dependable. It's interesting that so far, the biometric database has never been audited by anybody. And the moment that came in in 2015, we noticed that on their website, there was this thing called UBCC research. What is that? UIDAI, Biometric Center of Competence. And they were going to do research on it to see if they could make it work for a national ID. And why? Because the nature and diversity of India's working population makes biometrics a challenge. This is five years after they've started collecting it and three years, two and a half years after they had started making it compulsory for the poor to put their biometrics to collect their rations. Now, we know by now that biometrics is failing miserably all around. The economic survey of the government itself says that about 49% is failing for instance in Jharkhand. And 6% in the best state which is Andhra. So there are various ways in which it becomes 6%. It's an interesting study to see. But it's a project that is having to be salvaged by the project authorities. And that's the reason for the denial. That's the reason for band-aid at every stage when things go wrong. And all this is going to be presumably to be argued before the call. So is the Supreme Court actually looking into these sort of architectural issues with the Adharki? So because it might be easy for them to say some of these are policy matters which are left to be exacted. So I think there are some things that are very clear in this project. The first thing is that this is not a problem of implementation. This is a problem of conception. This is a problem of deliberately experimenting on a whole people and those experiments failing. So this is really not a problem of implementation. Secondly, this is a problem of rule of law. Deliberately there was no law that was made in the beginning when finally after they had started collecting all the data when you said put the law in place. They introduced a law in the Rajya Sabha. The Standing Committee rejected it within a year and then they just ignored it till 2016 when Push came to Shav and they passed this as a money bill. And through this phase, the Supreme Court has been saying you can't make it mandatory, you can't. And they've just flouted every law. So the court is going to have to consider things that are way beyond even just the architecture. By now it is also clear that one of the ways in which this is working, there is a thing called the 360 degree view of a person. And between the UID project and what are now called state resident data hubs, which is there in a number of states by now, between these two, UIDA has actually assisted and taught state governments how they can create these state resident data hubs. In 2012, there's a document which says how you do it. So what are these data hubs used for? This is a place where they say KYR, which is what you give to the UID, which is know your resident, plus at the time that they collect because the state governments were the registrars. So when they collect that data for the UIDAI, at the same time they tell them you can also collect anything additional you want, which is called KYR plus. And they retain all that information. The UIDAI gives back the number to them so that they can put it into that and they can keep updating that database. That's going to be the citizen's interaction with the state and the state will have a 360 degree view of our lives. In Haryana, recently you'll find that last year, they had said that every house was going to be visited and biometrically identified. And all information about every member of that household would be put onto the database and the state would have it. So it's a complete inversion of anything that is within the rule of law, within democracy. This is what the state, what the court is going to have to deal with. Now, do you think that there's actually any chance, particularly in light of the Puttaswamy judgment of the Adhar project as a whole being sort of rejected now? Or because from my understanding of the previous hearings, and correct me if I'm wrong, the court is now looking merely at whether databases should be linked, the extent to which they should be done, and so on, as opposed to the entire project in itself. Let's just see this. Why did the government have to go to the court and say that privacy is not a fundamental right of these people in the context of the UID case? They had to say it because the UID project really cannot survive a privacy right. It cannot survive a dignity right. It cannot today survive a life and liberty right. It cannot survive a life. You know the number of people who are struggling, I would have seen recently in Karnataka, 100 people, eight roots and leaves to prove to the administration, to show to the administration that listen, you kicked us out of the PDA system. Where are we supposed to go?  Now place after place, UID is pushing people out of the system. And they're not responding to it at all. So it's not just privacy. It is privacy, it is dignity, and it is life. If no court can ignore these basic elements. Now Nandan Nilikini on the other hand has alleged that there's been an orchestrated campaign to malign Adhar. We've also of course seen the UIDI taking heavy-handed action against the Tribune recently and so on. Why is there this nervousness on the part of UIDI and what is the nature of this orchestrated campaign that he seems to fear?  That's how you sound, I'm wondering whether you too believe that. See this, from the beginning, Mr. Nilikini has had one kind of way of approaching this. His idea has been that if you say no to the UIDI project, and if you say no to being tagged, if you say no to whatever the project does, then it must be because you are corrupt, because you have some vested interest in corruption continuing. So it's become, it's just been a malign the opposition and then you can get on with what you want. I'm afraid there are many of us who stop taking him seriously on these counts. The problem is not what Mr. Nilikini is saying. I mean, if Mr. Nilikini continues to be the spokesperson for the project, I would really want to know how that happens because he left the project a long time ago. But you find that the real problem in this is that, you know, when you look at what this law has produced, the UIDAI is the data controller. But the UIDAI is also the data regulator. The problem of the leak is happening because the UIDAI has absolutely no securities in its systems, they don't have secure systems. This, what the Tribune reporter found has perhaps been happening over a period of time. After that you had the India Today reporter going in and finding that for two rupees and five rupees you can collect data. We know, and I know there are people who are now going to be testifying to this, that biometrics has, you know, every place you go, they collect the biometrics and they keep it. Is there anybody watching to see whether they're keeping the biometrics or not? No. So there is no security for the individual in this at all. So the UIDAI is the primary accused. But because it acts as in the role of an accuser, it never gets accused. So it's not, no, no, no, it's worse. It is in fact saying anybody who speaks anything that I don't like and anyone, for instance, the Tribune reporter did nothing that was illegal. And in technology from all that I've heard, the importance of the person who shows the flaws in the system so that you can correct it, they ought to be rewarded. I mean, I don't mean to be quoting Edward Snowden, but I think he got it bang on when he said that she's the person who should be rewarded. And it's UIDAI that deserves to be punished. And that can never happen if you make a law like this. Now the government has of course consistently said that there are numerous safeguards in place, both legal and technical nature. Recently, now they've come up with this virtual ID system which is supposed to ensure that, you know, your Aadhar number itself can't be stolen. Your thoughts on the nature of the system, how will it work, what is the purpose of it, does it actually help? You know, the timing makes it extremely suspicious about what the purpose of it is. It seems to have come at a time when the credibility of the UIDAI is severely lowered. But you know, it was interesting to hear Mr. Pandey's explanation of what this is. First he says that this is a 16 digit number, you don't have to give your number then to everybody, but if there are some people where you're mandated to give it, then you have to give your UID number there. So there are places where you're going to display your UID number.  They can continue using the UID number.  But for most people, they are not going to have this choice. They are not going to know how to exercise this choice. And this also means that they are saying that in those, you know, those agencies for whom it is not mandated by law, they too can ask for it. They too can collect it. They too can keep it in their database. So where is the security in this? I mean, it's a, I don't think any, you know, most people are seeing through this fig leaf that they are, that they produce. What about the legal protections, however, in the act? I mean. And actually, you know, before I say, before you move on, I just want to say this, that if they're telling us that it takes seven years to come up with the first set of protection, possibly of the identity, it speaks very poorly for this project, I must say.  You don't roll it out and then say that, you know, okay, this problem is, now I will see what I can do about it. And so this again goes back to the conceptualization problems as well that you were talking about earlier and not just the fact that it's feeding trouble as it were. No, no, in fact, you know what, this is part of what they call the protection of innovation from law. That is, technology is kind of nascent in a sense and we need to be able to innovate. Now they, what they tell us is that those who support this model of, this way of thinking, they say, there are two models in the world today. There's the European model and there's the American model. The European model is focused on rights. The American model is focused on the marketplace. So that's why the American model has managed to produce so much innovation. And to our minds, it has produced a lot of violation of rights which we are unable to contest. It has also produced monopolies, extraordinary monopolies, which are global monopolies. And the European model on the other hand has been focused on rights. They're saying, we don't want that. Allow innovation to happen. For that, what do you need to do? You should not have a law. You should not have regulation. You should not have liability. And you should allow us to experiment as we want. That is what this UID project is. So they will keep experimenting if it fails, if there is collateral damage, it happens and they carry on. Like, it doesn't matter. No, so coming on, coming to this issue of liability and collateral damage as such, have we actually seen any of the legal provisions of the Act being used against any of these instances of data updates that we've seen? Have, what is the UID actually doing? It is using the power that it has to decide who the wrongdoer is. And like I said, it's never themselves. So the wrongdoer is the person who shows up that there is a problem. In fact, at the Global Cybersecurity Conference that happened recently, Mr. A.V. Pandey spoke out in the midst of all the, I wonder what those foreign participants thought, because there was this reporter, if you remember, who had demonstrated that without any document at all, he could register himself in one place in one way and in another place in another way. And Mr. Pandey said, well, he's going to be known under the name that was not his name and he did it. Let him learn to live with that identity. So this kind of power that they've given to themselves is a very dangerous power. And they've demonstrated that they have the power to decide who they want to shoot down and who they want to protect. So for instance, when the leaks, data leaks happened, who did they punish and who were they kind and sweet with? The 210 websites from where all that leak happened, they've all been sent a good kind and sweet letter saying, please don't do this, be careful with it. Whereas the people who pointed out that the leak happened, they are being hounded today. This is what happened, and all this is before you have surveillance coming in fully. So can you imagine what power structures we are creating? No indeed, something to worry about. Well, so this is an interesting time and we will of course be watching to see what happens in the Supreme Court. Thanks so much for joining us, Usha, today. Thank you all for watching.


In some news coming from Tarabah Teave communities in Donga and Takum local governments in Tarabah State have issued a three-day ultimatum to Governor Darius Ishaku to reverse the recent appointment of non-Teave as the district heads in Chachanji and Watibi Chief Downs. Speaking at the press conference in Jalingo, the National Secretary of Ayatutu Cultural and Social Development Initiative, Mr. David Nyangji said that Teave National have been marginalised and treated as second class in their ancestral land in Tarabah State. He also called on the respective authorities to reconsider their decisions and ensure that the right thing is done in the interest of peace and development. He described the appointment of Chamba people as district heads of Chachanji and Amadu as affront on Teave nationality who made 90% of the town's population. We are here today to condemn the injustice done to our people in the creation of Chief Downs and district by the Governor Darius Ishaku-led administration and to call on the respective authorities involved to reconsider their decisions and ensure that the right thing is done in the interest of peace and development. It may interest you to know that since 2018 Governor Ishaku has further created Chief Downs and district in almost every village and hamlet in Tarabah State but he did not deem it fit to create even one Chief Down for the Teave people in the entire Tarabah State. There's part historical records that clearly favour a creation of Teave, Chief Down and District.