And welcome to a live stream number 359 man, let's just keep something. Oh, I should charge my phone and turn it off I went to I was like the last minute I was cooking because I wanted to eat before I did my live stream and here I am all right Follow up with all the questions here. I think there's only one that got emailed into me Which is me and Jay from learn Linux TV. We're having this discussion the other day He's been traveling a bit and doing a lot of things so we haven't been able to line up and do as many of the homelab show Plus me. It's not gone. It's definitely coming back for those of you wondering But we actually were afraid at first to even publish an address for people could send things to like for the homelab show It's feedback at the homelab dot show and for blog Thursday. It's blog Thursday at learn systems calm the opposite has happened I don't get them any emails from people. So I don't have too many to read for the people sending in things There's a few I have at least one, but it's super long Which let me see if I can I need an AI tool to summarize it, but we'll get to that in just a moment always fun things there Let's say hi to all the people in the comments John how you doing here? I was following your h8 proxy with pf sense. Everything will work except with WordPress Will not work any tips. Mmm. I can't think WordPress that I know of doesn't do anything special So that that's a not an easy one to answer for me For because one I've never put each a proxy in front of WordPress, but two I can't think of anything special that WordPress does I guess that we post on forums the error message you're getting so we can follow through on the error message and Come to some conclusion because without it Yeah, I can't think of any problems that We'll get to WordPress in a moment though because I just set up a new WordPress server Good evening from Denmark Chris Christmas is coming the time flies. Yes, it does From the land down under awesome Yeah, that's I see someone already posted forum posters probably gonna be better for that Good morning from the land of Oz fair enough Oz is good Sweden checking in I just got my European friends because I'm a little bit earlier awesome We'll be cool Tom did a random person that is having tech issue or want him to review their stack over zoom For a live stream see every month, you know, I really have thought about doing this, but I have a problem I have a risk and The risk is getting my channel demonetized because I agree To do something with someone and then they find it funny to Throw something up on the screen that would then get me in trouble I would have to know the person before I did it because that is a That is a risk for sure It's the same problem when people do the live call-in shows and I would I think those were a great idea until I've talked to people that Have had like you have to have a screening and a delay So someone's watching going oh crap. They're now going to flash themselves or do something absurd that you don't want on there So as much as I love the idea I fear the internet may not It's you know, it would be one of those things if I could just mark that my content could potentially not intent not Intentionally but could potentially become some type of you know, not safe for work type of thing that might be fine But I can't do that because I would risk my channel at that point. So yeah, that would be I Love the idea trust me I thought about this a lot of times and if someone has some angle that I'm missing a better mitigation The way they do it like at radio call-in shows is there's like a five second delay or ten second delay and Someone's watching the delay. So they have ten seconds from the time something happens to beep go off the air and cut that thing From happening in the live stream. So I don't really have that ability also I don't want to have a ten minute or a ten second any delay further than the delay Slows down the interactions a lot with the chat. So that can be a little bit of a problem Hello Tom from another Tom very cool What I want to talk about and get this out of the way first. Well, actually, let's do two things here Let's do this because I want to see if you guys can do a thing There's not there's only right now about 80 people But I think 80 people is enough to make a thing happen And I'm gonna show you what I want to give you something on here to interact with So we're going to hit force play We're gonna share screen here present share screen All right, this is net data talked a lot about net data. I like net data I'm gonna be doing some interviews with the founder of net data soon We've been chatting. I got some ideas and I want to share with all of you But this net data is specifically and it's hard if it can I zoom it in a little here? It helps a little bit Does this okay cool, I can zoom these in and out too. This is net data for Lawrence systems calm And I redid my website. So this is the new updated Lawrence systems calm I even have this cool carousel of my latest videos that are on here. So definitely um Check out Lawrence systems calm, but what you're going to be doing the this is the direct effect All of you that go to my website are then going to see the impact on that data Here I'll peel this up and it keeps some historical stuff It'll put little charts together But uh, well, we can let you guys do is all of you can go hammer the website and go visit it I'm not saying DDoS. I'm saying just go visit the website and we'll see how much load goes on the server In real time. I thought that might be kind of fun Well, we'll see where the ramp up is over here, this is We can watch just a matter of fact if we scroll down further I go right here This actually will show all the oh look, here's the visitor requests. Hey, look, this is you people doing this So a lot of you have listened because I instantly had 581 requests at the site neat. This is kind of fun, isn't it now you're seeing what net data does in real time What about we pay $20 getting video and do an off-camera stream and you can record it and Really not edit it or even over discord. Ah Maybe I don't know I have to figure out how to to make that practical Um, and how do I choose someone because the people I don't choose are going to be mad So that's that's part of it. It's going to be part of it too. So yes Look at this. You guys are further influencing the net data charts. You make the charts go up That's funny go back up here. So you're taking up, um This is cpu. Oh man, look you actually make the look oh idle. Let's go back and we're gonna Um, scroll back a little bit here for like the last six hours apply It wasn't doing anything until It was pretty much dead and then you guys there we go now.  I guess you guys are just mashing the f5 I can imagine that Um, I have no idea what autospy is not something I've ever used Could have achieved similar stats with pro metheus and grafana stack Yes, but it would have been way way harder to do I can get net data set up in under one minute That's how fast I can set up net data. So we'll do that demonstration here shortly. But the fact that I can um The fact that I'm able to get it set up in less than um Less than a minute probably compared to I don't no matter how good you are at pro metheus and grafana You couldn't build these graphs out in a minute. Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with those I just find this to be a simpler tool to do it Yeah, I might turn ping back on um I Ping is supposed to be on matter of fact. I should adjust the firewall for for that reason um, we are supposed to be able to ping things I I only opened up 80 and 443, but I will open up. Um, maybe we'll do it for the end of this video Uh, I will go in and open up that because this is running in lenoad I finally decided to build a lenoad instance for my website. Um, and this all just runs apache and everything else Uh Matter of fact one interesting thing about mirrors, uh Oh, I was curious how I installed net data. I use the curl command on this instance But the um I would say that net data is Just as good in docker. It kind of depends on your use case if I already have a server running docker Yes, there's no docker at all on this. So why bother adding the complexity and added pieces of docker? I don't think anything wrong with docker, but it this is a philosophy that I try to keep all the time Is doing things at the absolute minimum necessary to get them done and no more It's not that I can't do docker or complicated things This is a discussion I had internally quite a bit with people of trying to find the simplest Solution because it's also going to be the easiest support just because we can Do this or that what is going to be the easiest to support restore Make work properly and uh, I didn't have any need for docker The only things loaded on this site are very simply the components needed which are going to be apache and maria db Um to and any supporting libraries to have wordpress. That is it. That's where it stopped It's got wordpress. It's got the only the minimum amount of plugins I don't like many plugins in wordpress because once again, I'm trying to reduce threat surface And then that data is one piece I added and you'll find that I didn't open the port to net data So I'm pulling this from the site Technically I have the port closed But I use an ssh forward if I wanted to view it locally So it just comes down to keeping everything at an absolute minimum I spent a lot of time with thrometheus and grafana. I appreciate anything that's much easier Yeah, they're really good for collecting metrics, but there's just you have to commit some time into setting them up Do you think net data is better than solution to xabbix? They're not the same solution Xabbix can do some monitoring xabbix can do a whole lot more um Really net data is focused on real time statistics more than anything else. That's the biggest thing so Did we kill the site yet? No My experience that data curl method leaves residue. I mean, yeah, if you uninstall it, there might be some components left behind I'm not too worried about that Um, because this is never going to not have net data database error Oh, wow, you guys actually hammered it to the point of brokenness This is kind of funny db air Ooh, we get to troubleshoot my website in real time here This is funny. I can already answer why We're going to share the uh terminal here it'll start coming up in a second. Um I did not assign a lot of processors. Whoops. I did not sign a lot of processors to this So this is this is the result folks. This is what you did This is funny Share screen There we go Look at the load on this the load average it was 41. I first logged in it's coming down now But yeah, the server got so loaded it. Um I couldn't do its thing So thanks everyone Yep, I I think it's fun. I wanted to know and now we I have my answer It's just it's overloaded right now. So it quit responding Oh, I it's please note the number of cpus at the top There's the lack of cpus at the top is the problem When we know the load test is uh, not going to survive a live stream now Yes matter of fact, um Going back here and let's share the net data screen Because one of the things I'm going to point out Is when you overloaded it look at the gap you actually stopped it from processing It piques so much that net data stopped sending data Look at this gap boom so I should probably increase the number of cpus because basically Look at the system load. Holy the system load hit 80 folks. This is this is what broke it It it'll it just basically got flooded with requests But this is this is the fun of it you can see what happened you guys hammered it you exceeded certain values of it Ha ha ha and now we know what that limitation is strange that it hasn't uh You know, I wonder if I'm gonna Look real quick. Did we actually crash the Is the web server here still running? Let's see What stopped running? I think the database stopped Which is weird. It shouldn't crash. It should just stop until it catches up So let's see here Huh. Oh, there we go Huh. Well, that's weird. Yep. It just stopped Um here the the memory is out of memory maria db So the other problem with this server is it only has um We're gonna fix it right now Well, you know, this is fun stuff because I'm gonna show you guys what I'm doing to fix it in a second here It just it just stopped the database. So we're gonna go ahead and start the database again and All right, it's back for now All right, this is fun. All I had to do is restart the database. So that's um The the error was it ran out of memory maria db stopped because it ran out of memory so That was what caused this and let's Go down here if we look at the memory And I did obviously I just built this the other day And I did not put so let's actually let's come back in last 15 minutes So here's the memory usage and right here's where it peaked Then it started stopping services and uh Let's play back more. Let's go back and play The last 30 minutes maybe Because this blog is how long am I let run the live stream 17 minutes So give this a second to refresh So there's our memory usage Which it's running pretty good. Here's where you crashed it And here it's ramping back up with maria db And working again. So cool Fun stuff now obviously there's something I'm missing which is going to be the uh telling services to watchdog and restart app needed so you know the uh That that's something I can add to this definitely fun. Thank you all for because this was a fun test for science. I love it And you can see net data and this is actually where net data is really good real time monitoring of things um You know you you got to kind of watch in real time what was going on Some of the use cases what happened where Everything went wrong and then you got to correlate that with your logs Matter of fact, um I still logged in There's another tool I have And we will try to find it here Trying to find something that doesn't just give everyone's I don't know if it matters as much if everyone's ip addresses in here Maybe it does I'll save this for another time Trying to find out what's a good I can dump all the logs to show them. I just didn't want everyone's ip address being in there So let's move on to the next thing.  Yeah, I can just bump up the resources and solve the problem Like I'm I purposely wanted to see what this would run like on a minimal single cpu with uh Hold on how much memory is this I think I only have Two gigs of ram. So this is single cpu with two gigs of ram and you guys were able to break it, but yeah Um, yes, this is all uh wordpress Good plug for lino. Just bump up the resources. Yeah, that might be what I end up doing here You know, I thought about hosting this in my office Because we have a pretty good connection and maybe I'll migrate it there. I started it out in linoad But if I hosted in my office, I would at that point definitely Put something like a cloud player tunnel in front of it, but I don't know It's just easier to host this outside of things We recently had someone reach out to us that got breached and we realized part of their breach was they self-hosted Her website didn't keep it up to date Didn't keep the servers up to date and it appears to be the ingress method for the threat actors It websites are A lot of threat surface wordpress has a lot of plugins that can go bad It's there's a lot of risk So if you host it internally you got to keep that server locked down and separate from the next year rest of your network because That becomes the beach head by which people will get into your network So you got to be extra careful about that and it's just like You know, the linoad instance i'm running right now is 12 dollars a month Can mitigate a lot of risk for 12 dollars a month and that seems like a great idea to me So Fun stuff Is it worth it by a neck eight for home lab? I'm scared. They will limit c e version so much I don't think they're going to limit c e version that much people panic about it. Um I'm not it's not a big concern. I have I like the neck eight hardware I get it though for homeland people going where's your budget at and if your budget doesn't allow for Buying of that extra hardware. I I understand you want to run it on whatever hardware you have So, uh, I completely get the trade-offs Yes, this is all in wordpress. Um, cool. I might have to look at spooling up a new wordpress server and have a look They won't limit c e trying to stop the mass p of sense plus things like Ali express. Yes, that's their that's really their goal It doesn't mean they're great at communicating things sometimes just because they're good at writing software doesn't mean They're great at the whole communication side of it. So That's a that's certainly an aspect. That's a problem Now among the things I did And let me pull this up next I did I'm starting to work on some new shirts So I'll throw this in there The New shirt design that I threw out here. I'm in an open source relationship. So I thought people might get a kick out of this You can find all of my swag. It's listed on my site as well But the whole swag store is at launch.video slash swag Um, I have a few more than I'm working on I have it's one of those things I set this all aside because I wanted to get the um Website launched the website's launched. So now I got some shirts to launch And some stickers to go with it.  So I don't I can't delegate this out like I used to be I still have employees at the cnwr side, but they're not exactly my employees They're very dedicated to all the things at cnwr, which I also spend still a non-zero amount of my time doing things at cnwr and uh That's you know, I I look a lot at the sales process and flow of things. I do consulting too I'm still consulting on that side But some I I'm not completely free of the business side because I'm always trying to make sure And follow how the customer experience is for all the people that book us and hire us for projects So it's been a um big discussion as of late because I flow chart things out and everything else. So I run unrayed with doctrine containers used for good old cloudflare zero trust tunnels back to my house and tunnels for self-hosting Yeah, it's not a bad idea to do that It then I think about cloudflare tunnels as they're easy And it puts you behind them where there's less risk Um of someone someone's not going to DDoS. Well, someone's going to try to DDoS cloudflare They're not going to have much luck you you have to be pretty big to Bother cloudflare. So someone has to be really determined. It's not an impossible task But it's a hell of a task What if we have a pfSense account just to download the iso and then register Your ce portal. I don't what if we have a pfSense account to download the iso And then register your ce to the you don't register ce at all. So I don't really understand There's no charge for pfSense ce. There's no registration for pfSense ce They don't have a registration mechanism for pfSense ce Migrating the unified controller from cloud key to self-host server Did not work via backup restore any tips or hints. Yeah Do the site migration you can just migrate from once from that instance to another the site migration should work You should add to the back of the shirt, but my wife, uh, my wife is proprietary. Yeah Got your cat six shirt on I love the cat six shirts. Those are still my favorite I don't have that on today, but um One of the other ones designs I'm working on let me see if I can pull it up in here I Think this one's gonna go well. I might get this one done Maybe by tomorrow Tonight, I don't know it depends how inspired I am I got to convert it to a shirt But that's this one here Complete installation of common sense complete. Would you like to reboot into the install system? I think this is gonna be a fun shirt. It's gonna be like a drop shadow under the shirt. So I like the old shell installer look from bsd So I I think I like these shirts And I'm not taking any other ones down So I actually the one I got to get back up there is a modern version of uh back at nasa I had a fight with the person who claimed they owned the copyright to it and they don't So the cat the cat shirt is too small for you now.  They were using their own license key and everything else. So I wish we could remote install common sense. Don't we all wouldn't it be great? I think that it just sounds like a wonderful thing to do Oh, let's see I'm trying to read this. Let's see if this other person They should probably make this a forum post Because well first off Well, let's talk about their problem. Let me summarize it a bit here Someone messaged me and this is the question they asked. I'm not going to pull it up So I'm not I don't share people's email addresses Um, thanks for all your great content on youtube and the forums are helped. This is probably a better forum post This is uh Was just emailed to me yesterday I have To believe this is affecting many home labbers And uh, the equipment so the person has a 1.2 gig internet Entering the network on a two and a half gig port. I'm their netgate 6100 I've been trying to connect one of my unify 24 port switches to a variety of ways SAP DAC two and a half gig auto negotiated um So they're talking about my issue is that unless I fix the connection between unify one gig regardless of pc I'm never going to be able to get more than 25 percent I don't understand the math on that So if you have a 1.2 gig connection coming in Your one gig connection isn't getting the majority of it, but not all of it I mean the The real thing here is if you have 1.2 gig internet coming in You will be able to Connect to the 10 gig ports because he has a netgate 6100 So netgate 6100 can connect 10 gig to the PCs, but I don't understand In summary if I plug in netgate pc bypass the unify switch as well. I'm plugged in the unify port. I can only operate Okay, if the netgate to unify Port is fixed at one gig But one gig isn't 25 of the rated speed. That's the part I don't understand Maybe post this in the forums if you're listening to this so that's uh Yeah, I'm not real clear on that a lot of people are talking more and more about Having over one gig connections. It's going to come up a lot um It the problem is you're going to have to get off of your one gig networks Two and a half gig will do it, but not everything's two and a half gig. I recommend jumping right to 10 I don't really like the two and a half gig speeds for compatibility reasons And sometimes the solution is when you're getting these faster ones You have to put a switch before the wan to get the full wan speed to come in Because if the wan speed on your netgate wants to negotiate to 10 You could then have a two and a half gig come into the switch and bring it over to 10 There's one of those cheap switches work for things like that You actually pull this up. I haven't reviewed it. It's been I've been using it a lot So there's that But this little Where did it go? I like this little device I bought this all the way in september Um, this has got four two and a half gig in a 10 gig port, but unmanaged switches Coming in from your isp to split out your internet to your devices like your uh firewall You're not where anybody went hacking them. They're unmanaged and sometimes there are good ways to adapt the different interfaces to get things working So hopefully I've sent the person on the right track because I'm not 100 clear on all of their issues Awesome that you're uh getting that Uh, 7100 from your employer Did you ever talk about the silent corrupt? Is the fs three separate of a pool? Insurance and I'm wondering how to mitigate the possible problems. Well, you are in luck I haven't done a talk about it for mostly the reason that It's just so unlikely to happen I'm pulling up something here for you and Here's the thing I want to share a different stop share present It's Pretty much not likely to happen It's very very rare, but obviously huge deal. We're talking about our storage servers and um So here's the command which is z pool get all grep Uh be clone And block cloning and there's people who've got if you go into the true nas forums. They've been talking about this but What i'm doing here Make it clearer Oops lost it. There we go. Oh Cat check block cloning. So z pool get all Pipe grep dash be clone and block cloning. So we're just looking at all the parameters And figuring out how much the be clone ratio is which it's nothing right now Now that's not exactly the problem though This is where the problem sees to manifest itself But it's actually a problem that seems to go all the way back to My understanding last I read today was it goes all the way back to version Hold on I had I was having a discussion with this with someone today Free bsd version 12. So it's an old problem It's it's an edge case. It takes very special circumstances for it to happen If I understand correctly it happens more often with the be clone enabled, but It's not a likely thing to happen. Um, so That's unless new since I read it the other day My understanding is if be clones enabled, um, it could happen But be clone only thing that does that's block cloning Block cloning is if I'm in one data set and I have a file tom's file dot text and instead of um Making two copies of the file What be clone does is has another copy Referencing the original copy. That's what that's doing. So The challenge is Is that A common scenario not really Your original file is fine. The corrupted file is the Cloned file the referenced clone file now Whether or not this is actually a be clone problem is another kind of question Or does it just manifest itself and be clone because there's a lot of discussion on this So it's a really complicated topic without an actual solution or It it's not easy to reproduce. So it's very not likely to happen And if it's been around as long as I understand from a discussion with some developers I had this morning Um, we're gonna have to dig deeper because they got to try and find a repeatable way to do it So they can adjust the code To have it not happen. So it's kind of interesting, uh, thought on that Uh any talk and henry shine getting hacked twice. Yes Um I posted that on linkedin so Where did I post that at? Well, I know it's on linkedin linkedin is Terrible for showing all my activity and posts. So let me go through here Oh, here we go. I made a meme for it. All right. So where did I put this? Here we go But the henry shine post You know if I can't represent things in a meme But it's just cleaning up these large networks is super hard Um, so yeah, I don't know if there's any easy answer for this other than probably some people are looking for some jobs now Any videos of what you're using your office build currently building a 10 by 12 office space place server rack in my work environment Just curious what you did in all your smart automation Um kind of Let's pull this up real quick. I'll give you a link. I have all the lists. I want to do a video on it I just haven't really had time But here's all the things I'm using there's going to be one more added Um, I just threw a link in there for all the parts list for all my home automation and all of my home automation is um Through home assistant. So I have a zfs 3 by 8 terabyte pool Can I expand the story by adding two more drives? No, if you have a Vdev that is three by eight you have to add three more eight terabyte drives Usually switches and routers are expensive part of the tank at girk play plus so small differences can add Add encouraged up over a network or time. Yep Um, I will see if that's an option. Absolutely I got I've been playing with the colors on them They don't allow me I got to figure out how they don't allow me to change the shirt types So I I'm going to maybe just re upload everything because you can't there doesn't seem to be a way to my In the t-spring system to change the type of shirt So I might have to take down some shirts and re upload them so I can choose the other shirt options that have like heather on them Uh, it's a tedious process. I'm I need someone to manage that store for me at some point. I think Does site migration unified transfer all network subnet users wi-fi ssad to the new site sure does Oh, wow, I thought it was just uh in recent versions. I guess that's looking at disabling b-clone just to be sure Uh, you can't disable b-clone. Uh, so that's the whole thing. That's part of the problem. There's once it's enabled There's no turning it off Hey, the bearded it dad Weird bug udm pro country restrictions certain us akamai p range started getting blocked as if they're international Anybody know where ubiquities data feed for ibg. You can just come from nope. That is the mystery. I don't know where they get their Feed from exactly Thanks again for the reminder that three office 365 that 365 and google are not responsible for backing up your data true I almost made a video for youtube about it But I got preoccupied with other things and I don't know how interesting it would be to people But yeah Ready to help me build a juice up pf sense box. Yes, I am that is a project we will work on Um, I have that box loaded. I'm going to maybe this weekend. I'll test it with pf sense and maybe you'll Maybe I'll you can get the same box and Use it for that. We'll figure something out. But yes, we'll be in touch. You have my number literally um I have tons of experience with it cyber sector. Um to go out And want to go out alone the problem of going it alone is a marketing problem not an experience problem that is One of the reasons me and we we have our business technicalities youtube channel and We talk a lot and you'll find a link to that in in the description here of all my live streams and most of my other videos But the marketing problem is what everyone runs into it's is how are you going to get clients? You know, I have a friend, um, he watches some of this But I'll I'll call him out a little bit though He keeps him on a certain business and he makes like Just under $200,000 a year. I'm like you're not going to make that when you first start your business for one And how do you plan to get clients? He's really really good at what he does That's why they pay him $200,000 a year, but But the problem is he has no marketing experience He doesn't have the business experience and you have to make the decision One of the things we talked about on a business technicalities me and jason did a video this year on this topic going I hate my job. It's not a business plan.  I'm going to create option c. I'm going to create something new and innovative in the market um, the attitude of starting a business of well the place I work for sucks because you know, uh, what is Is it I've seen that sticker a lot and people with shirts to say, you know The boss makes a dollar. I make a dime. So I poop on company time Just and there's a lot of people that don't understand the whole cost that go into running a business So they'll see it as their employer just getting rich, but That's not necessary. I mean, I'm not saying there's not bad employers There's a lot of bad employers. There's actually a lot of good employers too. People don't talk about it as much So my biggest advice is make sure you understand The marketing aspect of it before you decide to start a business Make sure you have a process to get leads because tons of businesses fail Not because of they don't have skilled people or good tasting food or whatever the product is It's the marketing and understanding how to bring business in we talk about this a lot on business technicalities and once you have that part Understood, then you can start the business. It's not the skills gap. That's usually the problem I'm a huge gfs fan expanding over time to be expensive for home users compared to technology hybrid ray What are your thoughts on technologies, but our fist inflation with respect to data integrity? I'm working on a follow-up video because I asked our service manager And he's mad as the head of service at cnwr And I simply had a question for him of how many technologies have we sold at cnwr As I know how many we sold for warrant systems prior But how many do we sell and how many failed and he says I can't remember any failing But let me look and then he says we still don't have any failing Synology has got an absolute killer reputation because we've sold a lot of these technologies and We haven't had a problem. I love I have three I have two production Yeah, two production synologies and technically three because even though I called it lab It's got a bunch of stuff heavily running on it and it's just never failed Um, I am my confidence is really high in in all these synologies that we have So, yeah, I the way they did butterfs was smart The problem you have with butterfs is don't let it control the drives Synology uses mdadm raid underneath Very customized by them and butterfs on top So you get all the benefits of butterfs, but butterfs thinks it's running on a single drive Um, because the synology is handling the drives. So synologies are solid for that Um, what downsides you see in synology is physically around a file system compared to zfs and such Not really much. I'm going to still say you're going to get better performance on a zfs The if someone says I really want a high performance machine I generally lean towards zfs being a little bit more advanced But for most, especially the home user market The synology kills it for them. So these are really good offering in the home user market I think they're solid. Matter of fact, I was a little disappointed Uh, and I commented and they did not reply. I do like the podcast two and a half admins but They were kind of crapping on the synologies and I thought that was a little Out of I think they just don't have experience with them and that was my thought on it I have a lot of experience with synology and I'm a huge zfs fan. I'm a big open source fan Hence the shirt that I showed earlier And synology is not open source. That is a that is the big problem With it is they are a proprietary company. They're based on open source software But lots of the products on there are not so that your downsides are not open source You're locking yourself into some of the synology ecosystem But for some home users, I'm like, it's not a bad ecosystem It's very turnkey and works well. They're very on top of security Um, so there's a lot more reasons to like synology and they've not been bad um The you know, and this is one of the things that sticks for a while Synology had a bad run circa 2015 of their systems 2015 and yeah, that's Bad, but that was years ago and people keep bringing it up. I it's like there's there's this Oh, I remember in matter of fact, this is what they did on two and a half admins They talked about the intel atom processors. I can't remember the name of the models that fell I I could look it up because I could show you the actually what I said to them So let me go to their site Yeah, here we go. I will let me pull this up because I'll and I'll share the link here for you But this is my reply I mean, you know, I'm very public with this Great episode as usual. I do enjoy their episodes But they were talking about the intel avatar bug from the c2000 chips And this was also like six or seven years ago that this happened And I'm like, I get it But it wasn't a synology problem intel shipped bad chips all the manufacturers Synology included had to deal with the fact that they had built products with a faulty intel chip And this was a huge issue Synology actually was noted in the video by sir or right up from serve the home right here So serve the home had an article on it that I had linked to And one of the interesting things was responses from vendors Cisco got hit with it HP juniper 40 net super micro neck gate Ix systems Synology as rock neck gear And uh, yeah, it was a mess sangoma every big company that bought chips from intel did it And they even commented in here that Synology was actually very on top of completely saying we're going to extend your warranty Like Synology did what they could but you know, how are you you're stuck as a vendor when someone ships you like intel You're not they didn't go with some off-brand chip and build a product. They went with intel And intel let them down So it was that was definitely a mess But they were saying one of the comments on the on the two and a half admins was like, oh, no, no Don't you got to watch out for those, uh, you know, avatar ships. I'm like, they haven't even sold them in eight years So Telling someone who was looking to buy a new nas was the writing question and i'm answering. Oh, you got to Synology has a lot of those avatar ships. I'm like When what they've got rid of them. They made an announcement cut end of sale in 2017 Uh or 2016 whenever that event happened seven eight years ago or six six or seven years ago but yeah Uh, Synology, I've only had one family bought one for internal use Uh came doa got a new one from them a couple days later running for three years without issue. Yeah, we've had Pretty much because we buy we even buy some of the rack ones which are expensive and they work well Thanks for the insights. I want I don't want to replace my tunas But think I may use Synology for bulk data such as Linux isos. Yeah It works. Well adam c2000s. Yeah The key to recover mistake was swift action and they were all up front about it.  They weren't they extended the warranty on them for people. What else you're gonna do? That intel c200 bug was a disaster or is a c2000 avatar ships Big mess All right, too many tabs open close a few tabs Go back to the um net data page Good no one's crashed my uh Crash my website again There's more of you here now. You could probably do it faster now It's still up and running This is people catching up because sometimes people like start the live stream later and uh, they're probably catching up to this part now I've never tried it. Never really had a reason to try Exponology. It's novel that they have it And I see they I think this because they have to give away the parts that are open source So Exponology is forked out of what is open source in Synology Um, it's like I said, it's neat, but I've never really Never really tinkered with it because for me the Synology represents all the things I want to use in it and What I like to use is hold on I'll make a video on this soon Uh because people ask this question is what's on your Synology? So I'll make a video about what's on my Synology, but if we look at what the installed packages are I'm running the um Active backup for Google man this so if you didn't hear Google had an incident and their incident lost people's data And I didn't do a video on this here, but I post on LinkedIn about it. Matter of fact, it blew up on LinkedIn My LinkedIn post on it. How many shares did that get it really took off and I was kind of surprised Let me find it so here is my LinkedIn post I thought I had more postness. Oh, yeah 29 000 impressions. So Yeah, whatever for LinkedIn. That's good So 29 000 impressions Google misplaced some data for people and that's one of the reasons that I You know, I'm talking about how you do it and for me how I do it is active backup I back up all of my clouds and if it's in the cloud if it's exclusively in the cloud It has to have a way to get back to me. That's an important aspect of data management so Google is a good system to manage email and documents for my business side and it works So we do it this way. We have it backed up. Um, I also have active insights on here. I have Um Some file sharing services Virtual machine manager. I don't use much. I do like this the container manager is really nice It's just Docker. They call it container manager. Um, I only got a couple things I do find it quite convenient and works well So this is the, um Uptime kuma and fresh rss are the ones in there now but Yeah, it it is a solid docker manager in there See what else answer a few questions Fy has solid g constantly for seven years. No problem. Uh, the thing is covered in dust. It works perfect. Yeah Sent me an email All right Cool. Let me pop this question out. I'll take the time to read this real quick Thought I'd write you here to avoid, uh, youtube comment length. My new nas arrived today I'm gonna I'm gonna put my old nas scale drives in it The only thing I'm a little worried about is transferring the apps Would you recommend a backup and restore of true nas? Or just clean install download the apps and point them to the config on the zfs array the second one um You don't need to adjust the configs for the memory if you do a backup and restore Uh, you don't need to do any true nas adjustments for that, but the apps are They're kind of a mess in my opinion. I don't know why It's like this it drives me a little nuts So I have a few apps set up inside of my true nas But you know, I think I talked about this before This was my big aggravation with it is I don't have any easy way to transfer this and I if you want to move these between servers, they didn't document it very well At all and it's just kind of annoying So I I just recommend reinstalling them. That was after goofing with it I probably could have figured it out, but I'm like this is if it's something that is not Straightforward to someone like myself. It's probably going to be harder if you're less familiar with true nas Um, why they don't have a better way to do this you can do this in synology points points of synology for Making it easy to configure and set things up, but points the um being able to say hey, let's uh Upgrade all the selected services. They've done a nice job of making this easier to update for sure So we'll do it live here. We'll update this. So yeah, I recommend making sure all your data is backed up and doing exactly that Don't you're not going to be able to transfer it easily I discovered a dell fm 120 by 4 and was super excited until I learned that it runs c 2000 avatar and chips What way to see zfs size in that data? I don't know Let's look does it show I thought it Let's see does it It shows a zfs cash Yeah, it shows the Status, but you're it's not showing the amount used. I don't know that's a message for the net data people not me It doesn't show the storage space in net data Uh, do you think it'd be a security risk bad practice to back up my smaller clients resect to my business analogy 10 tenants And just charge them monthly That's a good question. I don't know how well it works for multi tenancy Um, that is one challenge I don't know. I'm not tested it like that We've set these up for people for companies to back up But I have never set it up and tested it from a multi tenancy if you are going to try to do this yourself Make sure you have multiple layers of backup and make sure you have a plan if you're having problems with it So because nobody cares about a backup that works everybody wants to restore that works So you really have to make sure that you do your own dr testing And that's a lot of risk and that's a lot of liability And how are you going to make sure you're doing it all securely? You have you know, those are It's only reaching out so you could lock this on on its own network So it should be reasonably easy to secure because you don't have to open up any ports Because it's reaching out to each tenant and downloading the data but Yeah, make sure you have at least two copies and make sure you understand how to manage those copies of it Before you take on all that risk and liability Keep all the data in three different locations.  Yes If true nascale corrupts somehow is your way built in way to fix it you don't need so zfs Is really really complicated. There's a video I've linked to it's where wendell talks about zfs recovery with Um, I think alan jude Who's also another zfs expert? It's not an impossible task, but it's a very very tedious task Zfs is designed in every way not to fail It takes a lot of things to go wrong for it to have a complete failure And when all those things do go wrong and there is a complete failure There's not a lot you can usually do to recover it So there's not really much in a way of tools for it because it's not supposed to need them. It's supposed to be Like yes Just Works and when it doesn't things went horribly wrong and you should have a be restoring from backup Untested backups are just wishful thinking. Yes Do you know a way of monitoring vdev size of prometheus? Maybe a node exporter? Nope. I've never had anyone ask me to do that Because most of the other tools that we have for example For me, I don't look at it from the zfs side because I don't care as much. I care about it from here So I can say, you know, what's my Uh, which one's here? like this Tab I can see how much storage I have I'm currently using I have two terabytes and I've got 139 gigs So I look at it from this side This is landing on zfs So I'm looking at it always from the side of what's using it You know, if I looked at how much drive space I have on my shares, for example, it tells me how much is left I'm usually not looking at it from the zfs standpoint um I got bored with proxmox So it wasn't that interesting to me. I did realize there Though there's some things you can't do and is easily in proxmox Uh that I might play around a little more because I have an idea But one of those problems was and hey, maybe there's some proxmox experts that can actually answer this for me So let's Say you have how many discs? um We have 51 discs In this storage right here How would you move in proxmox? Not the vms. Well the vm the storage for the em lives here the vms live in the in the xcp and g system But how do you move 51 drives somewhere else to another storage? That is my proxmox question. I don't know the answer to because in here I could just say disc Oh, there's only 22 that because some of those are included with snapshots So I can select all these and I can just migrate them Can you migrate them all from one storage to another in proxmox like I just did? Could I do something like this? What if I want to do this in proxmox? What if I wanted to say Show me the debi and disc And migrate them. I could use tags. I could use a lot of different features here But how do you grab a bunch of drives at once and migrate them over somewhere else or vms? It's the same thing. I mean when you're looking at all the different virtual machines We have it's kind of the same answer, you know, I can pull these by a tag I think there's a youtube tag in here Whoops Or there's a tom tag. There we go tags tom. So here's all the ones tagged by tom. I can do the same thing I can migrate or move these somewhere else based on tags and I can even automate that process as well So that's that's one of my proxmox questions. How is that to do in proxmox? Zfm was scripted to export to influxdb metrics called telegraph and sent over metrics or oh cool Isn't it true in proxmox? You can't save the host config like xcp and g. I don't know That those are questions. I don't know that I I wouldn't mind doing a deeper dive. I message I'll message my friends like Jeff from craft computing and Whoever else is good at proxmox and those are good questions for them where me and Jeff will get together and do a video on it asking those type of questions That's a really strong example of your prior points xcp and g being better at suited for large-scale deployments Well, and this is where my consulting comes in if anyone heard the ding over there. It was another Large xcp and g consulting. That's why it turned my head. I seen it and I think oh that cool. Someone just approved I Mean we have people running like two thousand virtual machines. Like how do you manage those in proxmox? I don't know like it is. I know how to manage two thousand virtual machines and xcp and g I don't know how to manage them and In the same way. I'm not saying you can't I'm saying I'm not familiar with it And I'm asking someone and maybe I'll ask Jeff from craft computing who asks a lot of virtual machines Like how can this be done? I got proxmox running. I'm on a virtualized pf sense with vlan both wired and wireless. I got A network card tp link managed switch tp link on the way. Is there anything else I need? um Just the knowledge of how to set it up Yeah, you just the knowledge and how to configure all that that's pretty Pretty much what you probably need there I don't all right. I can only migrate vms on my proxmox cluster. I should have used the exact Uh drives and size but the cluster was an afterthought I'm only starting the proxmox journey myself. I tried a three known cluster could migrate a vm from one node to another But I don't know about filtering or managing tags You want to manage these with omata? I'm less familiar with the omata stuff I I did a review of it a while ago. I haven't really kept up with how much is changing But yeah, the omata controller with the omata line of stuff from tp link. It works very similar to unify You manage 2000 vms is something like dance for a puppet. Well, not yeah, this gets more complicated You can Manage it actually with terraform and kubernetes This is a kubernetes system and they use terraform to build some of it out because they're using terraform with xcp and g so There's yes But you can also manage these things through the ui When you say I just need these vms over here ideally though. Yes Once you have it all configured The size of the lab that this company has is interesting because a big piece of that's a lab system Their lab systems have like I think their production systems have a terabyte or ram in them and their lab systems have half a terabyte or ram Like they're staging stuff Hey, william haven't heard from me in a minute. Hopefully things are going wonderful and thank you for the donation much appreciated Uh, what do you think of the forbidden? Wendell's server type. I have any sx. Hope is churnass and then use churnass instance for storage I think they're a headache when they fall apart. Um, that's why they're called the forbidden router. Um, It's a fun experiment to understand how to do it It's a complicated one when it falls apart and goes wrong There's I built one for the hell of it. I ran one for a while just to make sure I understood all the intricacies of it And then I realized um It's harder for other people to fix So it's not something I ever wanted to play in production. It was a good me thing It wasn't probably a good production thing. So get the way your thing like Do you want to save money on having fewer devices and make the all-in-one ultimate home lab system? Not a bad idea. Um, do you Mind the downtime when there's troubleshooting which may include losing the internet and are there others who will lose internet That will also be angry about this take that into consideration. So yeah Oh, yeah. Yeah, the fact that you can The fact that I have um emojis and things. I mean If you're if your log server doesn't have a log in it, is it really a log server? Oh, and you know, it doesn't just have a log in it. It's got an accent logs for chopping logs up Right click on node in Approximately since that bulk migrate. Well, no, the question really is I'd not I don't need to migrate where they are That's this is where there's a there's a misunderstanding going on here for the way things work and It's not that I need them on a different server. So these can be On this host. So this is this host is called Ryzen 2 or let's just go here. Let's go to a different Let's go to my lab run. So if I'm on my lab my Ryzen. Whoops Hosts If I'm on this server, here's all the hosts I want to move Eric's computer Eric's VM is currently here I want to migrate him because I this is something I'm actually working on I need to move the storage of where his target is. He's still running on the same host He's got to move to a different storage target Can proxmox easily group and move to new storage targets? So I have another Storage setup. I want to move them all there. That's the part. I'm less clear on I just want to bunch of your videos on pf sensual. I'll be diving in when the hardware comes in your videos have been helpful. Awesome Uh proxmox has terraform and ansible module, but terraform is better than ansible for orchestrating VMs. Yes Uh true nas can create pbc for external k8s cluster and local storage class not that I know of I believe we can only use internal pv pvc storage. Um, which I know has been a discussion some people don't like Um, I think about putting my computer in the closet. How do you go about turning it on from in your studio? Wake on land is your friend To set up wake a matter of fact um Pull this up here In home assistant Um See where's this studio computer? I don't have the shutdown working or that would cause a problem right now and I don't care about the shutdown Uh, because I just shut it off But you can use you can set wake on land and home assistant to send wake on land commands to wake up your computers Um, that's that's my solution for turning it on because mine's my computers in another room All all the all the computers are there's no computers in here only screens I have a if you watch my video in my studio tour you can see that I've used a three node proxmox cluster for years Uh, well it works great for my home users. I agree. I don't think it scales well like xcp ng Oh, yes someone Log log log. I remember that that's fun Good song run and stimpy man Can proxmox move a single drive At a time it's easily it but it doesn't have a ui to let you bulk migrate So you can move single drives, um on there. Okay How do I get uh, you know I'm because I end up a lot of questions here. I could stream when I'm working on projects But I I'm not as interactive because I'm working on the project. I don't care if people watch me work on the project I just don't know how interesting they would be and I think a lot of people wouldn't watch the live stream of me doing that So, yeah Um, it comes down to your use casing for those. I mean, what's better the Xeon or the md. I off the top of my head. I don't have processor stuff memorized But do you need more cores or do you need faster single core speed? That depends on your workload. So That's the um Not an easy answer, you know someone asked me a question today and I get these questions Do you think it'd be hard for me to do this and I always reply immediately to those of I don't know I don't know you well enough. You know when someone posts in a forum Do you think it'd be hard for me to to learn true nasty? That was a question someone had today and I just say I don't know why not I don't know you so I don't know if this is something difficult for you or not So and it's the same thing sometimes when people ask you what's better Um, unless there are two obviously very different things like one is a really slow processor And one's a really fast processor In if they're similar in equivalency it then comes down to Either budget if that's if that's the concern or workload Do you need faster single core performance or better multicore performance? You know, if you're only running a couple different VMs matter of fact, um This was interesting. We had a free pbx problem with the client and The problem was caused by too many cpus being assigned to virtual machines they They thought by increasing the number of CPUs assigned to the VM they would solve the problem the problem got worse So they thought the problem was then free pbx turns out if you Over assign a lot of cores and I talked about this in my xcp and g video But over assigning cores over provisioning them Can cause you a pretty big problem When all of the cores start going into weight states and then you actually end up with a slower virtual machine So there's a lot of little nuance that you have to think about of How much load is going to be on the system? Will these different VMs require that many cpus at the same time or will they relinquish that? extra compute to the other system And will it balance out very well? So, uh We we fixed the problem by not assigning as many to it is essentially the answer which is always interesting I wouldn't I wouldn't have some rando, uh, I don't care if people quarterback me I've never been bothered by people looking over my shoulder. I don't care. I've People do it for a long time And uh, I've never like I I knew some technicians that I used to work under me Me watching them drove them bananas if I stood over them at all They were it was like a rage inducing thing And I didn't do it to make them angry. They just some people really don't like that Um, I've never been bothered by it. So Yeah, some people are fast learner some people are not some are more hands-on some are more visual Yeah, everybody learns differently. I I don't know how you unless I know you personally. Um I may not know how you learn Even even people have worked years for me. I may not completely understand how they learn Really tried to install xcp and gene horizon 5 system consumer hardware and install kernel panics and crashes I had you want to try or this is a forum question. Yes Make sure you're using 8.3. That's the easy answer 8.3 has all the new updates to solve problems for rise in processors So just go with 8.3. It's it's only it's almost to be released. It'll be released soon It's still in beta right now, but I've been running it on all the systems. I've been running it on have worked perfectly fine Over provisioning is a fun game. Yes, it is Is there's I that's why I did that whole video on cpu over provisioning talking about the good the bad the What happens type thing? You know, it's uh There's a reason you can do it, but there's not always a reason you should do it. You have to understand the parameters on there Not that i'm asking you folks to crash maria db again here But i'm just saying the website's still up and running For for those of you that joined the stream later Um, I don't know which one of you are collectively all of you really DDoS my website into the point of memory exhaustion So that was fun Uh, are you talking about cores over threads? I'm more talking about over provisioning where You take a system and let's look at this This rise in so we have 24 quarters running in this right now and In this system right here, I have 24 cores. So let's take one of my um Things I spell properly Actually, let's do it this way. Well, there's one clone. So right here's my devian 12 lab And it has eight cores assigned to it this has But the one below it has eight cores. So each of these i'll span it out like this eight cores eight cores But what if we did this and we'll start with the clone We'll change a clone to 24 Then we're going to make some clone clones and uh, let me call this youtube So I can find them easier Hold on. Let me switch screens real quick. So I'm going to switch it so it filters All right, cool Bring it back up on the screen here So this has 24 cores. Let's make a few more of them So now There's all my uh clone clones And let's start all my clone clones So we just started The first one is provisioned The next ones are all over provisioned. So we have just Greatly over provisioned the system right here But as long as they don't all ask for all 24 cores at once, this will actually work perfectly fine. I've now Greatly over provisioned this particular server by a lot So I think there's a spot where it tells you that I'm trying to remember I can't remember if there was an over provisioning option in here Yes 144 of the 24 cpus. I that's that's how many over provisioned here So you can do that But it's not always a good idea I've been running a xcp and g for 300 days did an exact replica of your Ryzen systems weren't great. Yeah, these systems are Solid they built them a year ago and they're awesome Um, this is a the over provisioning applies to virtualization.  Let's talk about gigahertz versus cores Uh, your cpu is three gigahertz, but your provision vcpu is 2.5. Have you over provision based on cpu? So you don't you don't provision based on cpu cycle. Um, you provision based on the available um Cores you can assign Explain your business workflows and how you manage this I I I guess I need to know what this is Yes, modern virtualization can manage things, but but there's always a but here, right? Um, if you start splitting pneumocores and stuff like that you you can actually run into that high provision of cpu is causing a problem let's They all started they're all working Now let's stop them all Yeah, the ballooning memory is the same problem. I have I have another video on memory ballooning And now we're going to Uh, let's delete all these delete five vms. Why not? There they're all deleted Can you give the spec of your Ryzen systems? Uh, I'll just give you the link to the video I think I'll find it if you if you search my channel for Ryzen xcp and g I did a video on it and it's got all the parts list in it Over provision mean your cpu all the vm p core Issue over provisions how schedule handles the processing requests. Yes will cost more to the schedule process than the work. Yep You nailed it Yeah, if you try to build a kernel on there. Yes What is the best server to build the security and forward node monitoring and 10 get switch? Um, a really fast one. I need you probably need to post in the security union forums to get a better spec But a security union requires a fast system Um, I've never used over so I don't have any opinion on it So I don't know Grand problems do door for provisioning. Oh, yeah, you run into problems if you over a vision It's not the best idea Is not going to be the best idea to do that Yeah, del does make some nice Um r640s You you have to figure out how much your data run rate is and that is a hard thing to calculate unless you set up a tap and Just trying to figure out how much volumes of data You're going to process because if you have a log requirement And this goes for any sim tool if you want to do full packet capture awesome If your company is moving 200 gigs of data 300 gigs 300 terabytes data What are those numbers are and you're tasked with keeping it? I know for my friends that work in some enterprise tech Places that have a lot of data responsible. They keep petabytes of storage One of the biggest expenses is not just a license for all the sim stuff They do but the storage servers that they have to manage it all it's immense It's millions of dollars in storage It gets crazy really quick for how many locations they have to keep all this data for I mean, I know we were talking and where my friend works Um, I think they're just the cyberscurity budget just the cyberscurity side, which is mostly the sock and sim people and Um, so triaging and things they do was 72 million a year was what their spend was just for that division of the company It's gets that the security stuff if you want to do it right and do it with full logging and full packet captures and Everything else it gets expensive quick I had a discussion with this with someone else They just seem to have a hard time understanding why it was so expensive to have a switch And a full monitoring system that did 100 gig. I'm like, I don't know how you think that this would not be this expensive They were trying to get pfSense to do 100 gig and I'm like, it's just not going to do it pfSense is not the not the system that's going to do that level of speed Uh Yeah cloud stack and open stack are interesting too Oh octa has the budget. They just aren't allocating security the same way we expect them to so octa's uh Yeah less ideal Um Oh Which one was I do too too too too too too many things open There share this tab Do you take zfs snapshots of your surenance data sets for xcb gsvm backup? I asked because it seems redundant snapshots vm's the next away in addition to taking zfs snapshots of the data set um, it is redundant But the reason you might want to do that is how often are your backups running? you're only as good as your last backup and You know if you're snapshotting more often Maybe those vm's it comes on to timing if you're backing up frequently enough that it doesn't matter then don't do it If you have the storage space, which I do I do both As a matter of fact, you can you can even do things like do zfs snapshots. Maybe hourly And then you have hourly backups and you can say you only keep You know 12 hours of these so you don't have that many it just comes down to what strategy it is redundant. You're not wrong um, I like redundancies But you I'm not going to recommend it to everybody. I mean this is always when people say I want the best backup system I I I I awesome you didn't say I uh budget so let's start here and then they go Oh, no, no, I want the best backup system But my budget is because you know, we don't mind working with clients to help figure out what their budget is But a lot of people start out with my budgets unlimited until they start thinking about what it takes to um Build really really intense systems. They have backups of all these so you just got to start with the budget on these Thank you very much amber for the super sticker and appreciate the donation Snapshots and rubric. What is rubric? I know that name, but I don't know Okay, they're another backup company. We use beam at cnwr Rubik's security cloud. Okay, just seeing what it is I know I've seen I've seen the name but it's not a tool we use thoughts on sysco purchasing slunk um I mean I'm seeing this in the headlines What um But my first thought was, you know sysco spending 28 billion on splunk. Are they just renewing their license? Splunk is already an expensive company. They're going to fit right in with sysco. So I don't use splunk. So I don't really have um I don't really have much of an opinion on it I mean I don't really think the consolidation of all these companies the vmware purchase is another one is in Anyway good for people there. There's just nothing about these mergers that are good for the consumers that use these products um The the only upside is uh, they have a really nice write-up over at vates talking about and I'll bring this up Because I think this is a good discussion that you we can cover and uh, whoops Because it's right in their latest news section and that's going to be This article here, I'll drop a link for anyone. It wants to take the time to read it The new virtualization landscape. Um, it's just things are changing and uh, yeah I think we're going to see more people looking at solutions like xcp and g and getting off of vmware because there's nothing about it. So Um, there's nothing good about the whole purchase there. I don't think so anyways I'm not using Nutanix. I don't I don't know much about them My understanding is they're running linux and kvm on the background Um with a big expensive license, but I don't know what makes them good or bad or if they're good or bad Oh, yeah, you're not wrong zfs snapshots may not cap. You're always going to have data in flight problems So you have to understand what your data in flight problems could be Yeah, the it was probably cheaper than renewing the license But no this article here talking about the changes in the virtualization land landscape, I mean The nice thing is we have quotes right from the ceo What they're going to do which is raise prices. That's They're very clear in all this this article breaks down, you know, lots of things on this topic And uh, I find it really interesting There's a lot to talk about here In terms of you know thinking about how virtualization looks in the future Yeah, there was some um See There was a good article in the register about this because they were snarky as usual Oh, here we go And it begins VMware layoffs are creating significant concerns in chaos amongst customers and partners and everything else. Yeah, no shock Thousands of your employees absorbed last week by broadcast open emails today without Knowing if they have a job once they finish reading It's a combination of disgust and disappointment shocking. So it's not just bad for us consumers. It's also bad for the people working there There's nothing good that comes out of these big deals. They're they're just not They're generally a market disaster of consolidation I I don't know I'll rant on that topic another day Back to uh, what's on my Synology my uh train of thought came back to that So I run some Docker stuff. I don't run any virtual machines. I do run Synology photos. This is really good. I also have uh This Synology manages my other Synology to keep it up to date So I never have to I never log into the other Synology. It's just my video server Should be yeah, it's fully up to date Test connection policy task. Yep, everything's working Yep, no nothing needs updates. Uh, so that's the Synology connection system What else is on here? Not much else logs I was playing with the Synology mail server. I kind of got bored with that MB MB runs in my Synology works really well I don't have MB publicly exposed No real need for that I don't know. I don't have a ton of things on my Synology. I guess My company paid uh, Nutanix for two data centers for failover storage and vdi But I just called it vd because they could not make the system run well Since we do 3d renders. Yeah That is a challenge Sandy snapshot protection for storage lower encryption attack vm snapshot is best for restore vm Finally caught you live now. I can't Find any questions in my head to ask. Thanks for all your knowledge and sharing awesome I wish the website GUI had the ability to map your photos like you can on mobile. Oh, yeah It would just get forked again because I mean um Citrix owned well was not really owned because it's forkable and it's open source But citrix was the steward of the xcp or the citrix zen server project for a while And obviously they were not good at it and vates took it over. So yes Yeah, beam cam store files within a vm without restoring the whole vm Uh, we run new tanix av hna 6i. It's great for us Um hyper converges the key Yep, and I seen you emailed me brett That is um, I'll respond to that person what I don't understand where that came in I think they filled the they filled out the wrong form is I think how that got there We have two forms on our website one says are you an existing customer? Another one says if you're not contact sales and sometimes people go I must be an existing customer and they start filling things out. Uh, when's the next bt episode? They're generally on tuesdays Okay, so that did come through the connectwise manage system Oh, here's something this got asked earlier if you want to know what me and brett work on and maybe this will be a topic That we'll cover later Let me bring it over to the screen Which I think there's a better way to present this. Oh, I know hold on export as html export Cool if I do it html, it's actually easier to present Um, so I figured why I saved it Oh, it doesn't look as pretty, you know, I'm gonna share it with the other system because I can zoom in and out easier It's gonna look better if I do it this way, but someone had asked what I'm doing earlier Or how we do workflows. I'm gonna share what me and brett were working on This is still something I'm going and maybe this will Yes, sunday, um, if you email vlog thursday, the it'll get to brett I make sure all this stuff gets there. So if you email questions to vlog thursday at lornsystems.com I will just forward them over to brett's personal email We have a we have an internal slack channel for business technicalities. I can just drop the questions in there That part's pretty easy But I'm going to show you what we were working on Um, where did it go? Losing things there we go But someone asked about workflows and stuff like that We're updating our booking workflow. This is some of the stuff that I work on when I'm at cnwr Is process flow for how customer experience happens now brett is head of sales at cnwr So that's brett's job. So I though care about customer experience and the consulting side of it So me and brett will work together To make sure that the sales team understands what we're selling how we're selling it and how The process from the time someone says I would like to hire you for a thing and how that thing occurs Uh, yes spell check. Hey, we aren't to the spell check phase of this Why spell check things until we know I have all the right words in it So yeah, we maybe we'll this will make a good business technicalities video We can walk through the workflow of once we get it right and once we have it done It's not done yet, but that'll be one of those things where we talk about hub spot linking and workflows Because this is actually an important, uh process when you're in businesses Making sure everyone can watch the workflow know what their task is in that workflow. So things Work it's as simple as that everyone should know what they're doing And this is easy as a small one or two person company But we have almost 30 people and that means there's a lot more to do And brett's been making fun of me for the spell checking because there is not things are not spelled well in there and I was like, yes Uh Am I an existing customer? I have a little orange mark next to my green name My demand fully overhauled my network with our implied warranty service and fitness. No Uh, ten cents unifying no longer has a hardware. Have you heard anything about the wi-fi seven? Nope. I have not Um, I don't care much about the faster wi-fi speeds. I never need them If I want it fast, it's going to be hardwired. If our clients want it fast, it's going to be hardwired I broke my scale apps when I updated to kobia today reverted So wouldn't start ended up just making the reinstalling so learning true nas next time backup app settings That's not easy. That's one of my points with true nas. They have not made that easy. So Um A linkedin dm is fine Those get scattered because so many spammers are on linkedin that send me the most generic bs stuff So sometimes I get lost in all the messages in linkedin Oddly, you don't get that many emails to blog Thursday. So that's actually a better way to find it There's not that many people to email that Where did the lorence and lorence systems come from my name is tom lorence and i'm not I'm not clever at naming things that so so they ended up with my last name Because I didn't notice the call it That's the that's the challenge Uh, maybe I missed it your recent videos in hl 15 45 guys. Did you get one? Yes, I got one I have been so busy. I haven't had time to review it. So I will be Maybe soon like this weekend. I don't know. I have a couple projects I've been I wanted to get my new website launched and I did so if you didn't if you weren't here for the earlier um I'll drop it again. Oh and by the way people broke my website. So that's the thing that happened but uh, just have a lorence systems.com. I relaunched my website and People then crashed it tear on the live stream, which was awesome and So that project is now off my plate and I feel happy and excited about it.  I think I don't know I'm not clever at naming things. It's really as simple as that If I was clever at naming things, they'd have better names I use my last name because I had it already That's it was like, what are you gonna call it lorence systems because i'm working on it They have other ones with sass ssd. So I don't think it's necessary to have this in hl 15 It's it's not a need but I need to shuffle servers So maybe I will do the server shuffle and include the 45 drives and the servers in it Yeah, I got to reload some servers and maybe I'll make a video about reloading all the servers because then I can cover kind of the homelab review and Everything at the same time. So I work on that It's it's a project. I really want to I feel bad. It's just sitting there. I haven't turned it. I turned it on It's physically it was on and then I powered off because I haven't I even put drives in it. So The um, yeah, I need to get back to that Have you seen their network really saturated network with spinning drives? Yes And that's one of my things like the performance you get Out of the spinning rust drives my 45 drive server Which by the way Let me pull this up This is the one I got to rebuild. This is my q30 server and Because there's so many disks in this so we storage disks I mean this has 27 drives in it with 27 drives They per these are all spinning drives or 14 terabyte uh seagates They're outperforming my ssd pools. I have a raid z1 with uh ssds that are getting outperformed by spinning rust How many drives do you plan on using? Uh, yeah Yes monster murmur. Yes, definitely like that Uh server shuffle is going too many drives in one place not enough another so Oh, is that the Yes, um That is the huntress logo. I'm not going to take it down because it's it's tricky to get back up as I've learned I've almost broke it a couple times that is so Huntress when they reached two million end points. They Um sent some of us og people who work with huntress these plaques and so I stuck it behind me because it looks cool I think it's awesome. So that is a um That is a huntress platinum album for two million end points I'm friends with the people at huntress. They're just they're just good people Oh, it's funny whenever I mentioned the website Hey, look people went and visited the website Did they break it again? No Not not a request to break it again. I'm just seeing Yeah, the um See I when I started hanging out with the people of huntress. They only had uh Man, I'm trying to think here I think they had like eight employees or nine employees. They have over 300 people working in and out So they're a much bigger company today than they were Is this a more recent one Or is this an old video? I've seen the old video. I don't know if there's a new one Or I mean I don't Don't always know Trying to decide what I should do next. How long do I keep the stream going for? I don't have any commitments today Um What what is an end point to find as we manage a lot but two million? No, no, I don't have two million end points with huntress Don't misconstrue that Huntress has two million Windows machine well more than that. They I think they're in the three million now Does that that was from a while ago that was from I think almost last year I don't know what their count is right now probably in the three or four million range Um, that is the total number of windows Uh servers that they have or windows systems. They have not necessarily servers You know, I haven't really been Doing any new hot sauces But they're on my website So that that section remained I did find now that i'm older. I can't eat hot sauces like I used to So that's um, that's unfortunate. So I haven't really been doing I can't do reaper peppers anymore I still like hot sauces, but I I've leaned back down into things not hotter than habanero so Super jealous we have huntress, uh, you since early 2020. I think we started with huntress either in 2016 2016 or 17 we were pretty early in on there. So Yeah, don't take it as me having two million. I'm not that big of a company Nope, I uh No experience in any of those del series ones at all Oh, um worth mentioning here I'm gonna maybe keep expanding on this, but I read a lot of books So I started putting all the books on my site. So if you want or interested in those No, unfortunately, this is something I've been complaining about. There's no easy or good way to back up the true nas apps That is unfortunate Hot sauce says would you do the hot one show? Oh, yeah, I mean I would do it I don't have anything that interesting like I'm not a public figure like he would normally interview But I do like hot ones. I think it's great But yeah, I've got a good list of books here. I've read all these books Um, the old ones from the art of intrusion. I have more to add. I just wanted to get these ones These were recent ones when I could rattle off a list, but I'm gonna put more tech books on here I I only recently read, uh, this one, which is Where wizards stay up late. It's a really good book these are um Well, these are all good books. So there's a reason these ones made the list There's I can't think of ones off the top my head that haven't and I haven't decided if I should put the business books on here or not That's more of a mix. I read a lot of business books and um psychology books I just finished One of the books I just finished is this one here Let me pull it up So this was a book. I I just finished called how minds change I highly recommend this book if you want to know how people change your mind about things you're probably thinking well why um Why would someone who's in tech want to understand People blah blah blah and change minds like this seems like an off topic for tech And it's actually not and this is why let me the discussion guide is great If you just follow that link and go to the discussion guide They have this really simple What is this two pages five pages together but one of them is a cover so four pages about better Arguing kindness empathy assimilation and accommodation the effective tipping point reasoning ain't logic Uh and steps to doing persuasion Now this matters a lot because people go around saying things like oh man It's hard to get people to lock their computers up It's hard to get people to follow good security practices. Etc etc Well me as someone who wants to first learn a thing and then teach a thing to people or teach all the things I've already learned to people this matters quite a bit because I can't just complain that people don't do a thing Without me putting some effort into bringing it to their understanding so they do it So this is actually one of those things I think a lot about and this is why I read so many books that are More psychology based to understand and connect with people better for well And it's the title of the book is how minds change So yeah follow that link and just read if you don't read the book the study guide's free You can just read through it. It's pretty cool. So Any good auto you uh for msp specifics? I've listened to carl and micas. Um, you know I I think If you understand business, then you'll understand the msp side. So the books I'm gonna recommend is probably gonna be The um traction I think that one's really good It's a business book. It has nothing to do with msp. Um, let me pull it up here I'll drop a link here for it But traction definitely one of the books that I'm going to Say is good to read. I I this is one of them. I've read. Um, that helped me a lot with business and the other one is going to be E myth the e myth revisited I recommend that one Ghost in the wires was really good. You're right I You know, I don't think hollywood would do the movie justice But yeah, I bought a cheap router with pf sense for some uh for someone wanted to make it a router for my parents Open sense pf sense plus pie hole wire guard. What do you recommend as the os? I've got a cheap pf sense router for someone. I wanted to make it for Yeah, I mean you can run pf blocker on pf sense So p I'd recommend pf sense and run pf blocker Uh, do you have any experience with cell pulpit nvr's? I tried motion. I it was fine back lack of audio support was deal breakers unmind Uh, was next with cpu's was too high. No, I don't know any of them are good. That's the problem I just got my hl 15 having unboxed yet anyways looking forward to houston but trying to read Uh, either proxmox or as you mentioned as a linux boy any further thoughts I will probably read run be running linux with houston on it. That's the most likely scenario of it Yeah, e-mithry visited and traction put him out the top of your list for as a business owner Home server cabinet that isn't too massive Ah, if you get what it's not too massive, what are you gonna put in it? That's part of the problem There's not many movies that Do a good job of capturing some of the hacker culture I think the closest you come is um No, mr. Robot. I liked mr. Robot was an interesting series I've been running shinobi for a few months. It takes a box. I like the interface, but i'm curious what else is out there Besides shinobi, I that's the only other one I could recommend besides zone miners probably shinobi There's not much out there and there's not much incentive for anyone to create something out there Uh, so yeah, there's very it's very limited I gave up on blue iris and just bought real ink nvr and banned it from the internet in pf sense. Yeah Hackers was good. Yes Um, yeah nave point makes some good ones. I've done some reviews on the nave points before Can that data collect kvm vps or can only collect uh data from proxmox? I don't know. I've never tried it with kvm so Look, they have a good documentation on their site, but I don't have a kvm server to test that on I'm using the star tech adjustable one. I like that But it I adjusted all the way out like I have it really big And uh, because it's the best way for me to have it set up Do you think a zima board with two ssds would be enough for learning true? Yes. Yes learning. Yes using maybe not so much Uh, but learning wise you can definitely play with it from a learning aspect As a matter of fact when I was labbing things out for some demos. I did it all on a um What do you call it The zima board with four drives with the other one. So Yes sneakers from 1992 that was a classic I I don't know I don't know if it's a movie that would hold up and I say it like that because sometimes you go back and watch the Old movies and they don't quite hold up to be as good as you remember them back in the day You know, you didn't realize just how bad some of that was Are the quote tom's any good? Ah, they're okay. I wouldn't call them great. They're definitely not the same quality as a neck eat hardware But you save a few dollars They they have a much higher failure rate for as few as we've bought We've seen a high failure rate on those compared to any of the neck gate hardware But they did last a couple years. So that seemed reasonable. I guess They seem to have ports die on them. I have I have another one in laying in the other room that's got a dead port It's got four ports But only three work the other one just died one day and it died at a customer Is it impossible? Is it possible to install cubes on a regular desktop? Um I don't know. I haven't tested cubes in years. I had a friend that ran it my friend filled it for a while But I I never did it so I couldn't tell you what it does or doesn't support For cheap a pfSense box just get a desktop replace the power supply if needed and a quad port intel nick yes, but That sometimes can be more power consuming but it comes down to space and what works for you Any experience on a unify express? No, they're too new and last I heard they were sold out Uh, unify doesn't send me things anymore and I'm fine with that They seem to get angry at me because I dumped on their product for a couple of their products for being bad And so that made them stop sending things to me. I guess I never really knew why Uh, I I don't care. I just buy stuff from unify. So some of my friends get the stuff first And I have to buy everything myself. So I may not they get see I'm friends with all the people that did the reviews like cross talk solutions and everything else And you know, so I know who has what when and then they're under embargo before the release states of those things Just how it works Have you played with any am5 astrox sports? Nope. Wendell's a better person who knows a lot more about that than me We just don't build servers for people. We buy servers. We buy dels. We buy super micros and lenovos So we're not someone I never tinker and build with them almost never anymore Uh, can neck eight boxes be loaded with open sense? I've never tried but it should work. They're both running free bsd thoughts on deeper connector usb dongles. I never use usb dongles for things so not very often anyways I tried a docker host with two wire yard containers each with a different vlan but fail On the road still experimenting Huh HP's not on the list of servers you want. Yeah You're having issues with the unify eight and trunk ports. It does not work I Far as I know it works. I mean I did some videos on it, but I'm not trying it specifically um With what hardware you have Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure I lack some context for your statement Uh, we haven't used the carbon systems desktops No, I didn't No, I I don't think we've used those we use a lot of those little lenovos for desktops those work really well Deeper connect is supposed to add crazy security with a vpn and advanced firewall Never heard of it. Um I don't know there's always someone there's always some new company with some new idea That try to reinvent everything It works just the unified controller gooey on the connected device does not show up correctly. Hmm Good morning from down under. I'm looking for new podcasts focusing on network server admins any recommendations apart from two and a half Men in you mentioned earlier um There is one called Where's it at make sure I get the name right This is interesting. I should just open up my podcast app I listened to 509 episodes here here. This is also my phone's letting me know Let me go back to one. Let me go back. Yeah 42 different shows 509 episodes That's a lot here we go Risky business. I really like the risky business podcast. Um, that was one of them Hold on Let me send this I want to watch this story that it just gave me later. I don't know how to bring it back up So let me send that data somewhere send. There we go All right, now I can go to my podcast app. There's another one called I think it's called the art of networking He's got to do a search Here we go The art of network engineering. That's another good one. Uh, they like security now, uh, steve gives him a security now It's good. Uh, the better question is ecc at least twice as reliable as non ecc. Ah, no I don't know that twice as reliable Oh, what camera are you using for the live stream? It's a little quick focus change. So, um, this is a There you go There's a really shallow depth of field I can touch the camera So you can see I'm I'm that close to the camera and I'm using one of the art lenses on a canon EOS 100 mark 2 This is actually you can it's crazy what this camera is still worth. This camera is from 2013 um Yeah, I went on what is the model here C 100 I think Yeah, there we go Well, this is Let me find it at a better price because I know this isn't what they're going for now There we go b and h still sells them Holy crap. They're still going for even more. I might even sell one of these I keep debating about selling it because even though it works so well. So this camera is Really it's discontinued used. It's still $1,800. I I didn't I paid less than that for it. It's weird It's worth more than I bought it for in like 2018 um Release date when was this camera me? So here the release date was I was wrong. It's not from 2013. It's from 2014 this camera is nine years old Um, oh mine's the mark two which came out like a little bit later like 2017 But it's a it's a cinema camera. It looks great Uh, could we are going to be using a VPN when traveling? Uh, sure It does it requires a hard ip and at least on one end but not both So you can use it while you're traveling. Um, you'll just have to accept any ip for the remote end The new site may be down again. Did you guys break it again? Yes We'll go back over to share this tab instead Yep You guys ddossed it again Yep, you ddossed my site that happens Maybe I'll increase what the site can handle Why don't we set the load all the way up to this has been fun. This has been people breaking my uh Breaking my site. Sorry. I didn't put this up, but yeah, I see the spikes There we go We'll just go in And see what's not running. So let me ssh into it.  Thanks people Yeah, the connection refuses that We don't we get a lot of hits on the site. Just I think there's people here just absolutely mash in the s5 I'm old school. I went to pad look. I thought I was going to do Um Why isn't that sorry I I do have a hard time talking when I'm typing There we go. Um, let's see that fix it. Hey, it's back again. This we're playing whack-a-mole here with the live stream How to be unfraid of the cli use a lot Um Apache why apache over engine x because I don't remember Well, I do I have vague memories of Tuesday Tuesday was tom getting really aggravated because he couldn't figure something out in engine x So I switched it to apache. I don't know Real question is why did tom's uh system d not automatically restart the apache? Because it couldn't restart it. There was no memory available. So the other process went stale is what I think happened I I'll go through the logs later because the services aren't starting because it runs out of memory I got to put some limitations on there. So they Don't do that or I'll stick cloud flare in front of this so people don't do it Because I can just I haven't integrated it yet, but I could always just put um Either akamai or cloud flare put that in front of it for bandwidth and Because the content's really static. It doesn't need to serve it up. I could just cache the content instead in hammering the database. So You should go watch all the videos on learn linux tv's channel Even a swap is full. Yeah. Oh, it just it ran out of memory. That's I went and looked at why apache That's why I was looking at why it crashed before I started it again So yeah, there's a pretty massive amount of um Things people are doing here What were they hitting the icons something else here? I was looking through the logs real quick Yeah, there's like 3000 hits on the site right away So thanks folks matter of fact, um, let's do This and I can share the screen Yeah, I parsed it just you guys pulled 3.8 gigs with the data and 46 000 hits So that's um, that's what broke it I don't get that many hits normally Uh, just curious to work with juniper switches firewalls or so. What do you think juniper makes some nice stuff? I don't have a ton of personal experience with it. Perfect use for kubernetes and horizontal scaling. Yeah Free load testing for sure Testing and troubleshooting infrastructure in real time. Yes, we are Let me close the million tabs I have open But someone asked what website we're talking about just for here. Let's go around with this circle again um, lauren systems.com my website I updated it and then I asked people to test it and uh, test it they have You're actually watching this screen is a uh net data real time capture of my website and People have been hammering away until it runs out of memory Oh, yeah, low orbit iron. I I'm canon fun stuff You could do a few docker instances running as a service using ha proxy in front. Oh, yeah There's different ways I could set this up I just didn't the biggest thing is this thing's very resource constraint because it only has a single processor and two gigs of memory So most of the problems are It would actually take up more memory to start running more services and proxies in front of it That wouldn't necessarily solve my problem. I could just add resources because that's an easy way to solve the problem Maybe address the fact that with v the vlan shrunk equals broken in new unify version That allows vlan shrunk ports you need to use hybrid vlan one untag tlan the rest, which is math Okay, if you don't like that setup then don't use unify. I don't understand Hey, thank you very much tb tech fb offense FB offense.js. Is that in there somewhere? I don't think I have anything for well. No I don't think there's any facebook in here Or is one of the plugins looking for that. I don't see it I don't know. I'd have to go through all the queries on it to see if there's some plugin I had to load a couple plugins. I do have google's analytics in there But I don't think I have any Facebook ones in here I don't see it Eh Can email me if there's some concern you have on that Couldn't you offload the resources? Yes I could I have it's in the cloud now. I just didn't give it much cloud My am blocker and bit defender are blocking. Yeah, you're gonna there's I embed the analytics center I got hubspot analytics. I've got Uh, maybe hubspot does something else to figure out the facebook side hubspot and google analytics are installed on my site But I don't do if you come at my site with an ad blocker Nothing happens. Like I don't I make no changes. I I'm completely respect people who want to use Script blockers can block script. It doesn't affect your experience on my site You're getting a Connection is not private error that I don't know why you're getting it is h e to p s and the certificate is valid Yeah, there's a facebook button at the bottom that links to my facebook site, but I don't think it has any um It links to facebook Which is right But it links there, but it doesn't I didn't embed the facebook cookies in here Or the facebook tracker in here. I should say Refreshed and loaded after you said that cool What did you change about your site? I completely redid the website. So it's not just what I changed It's a completely redone site Um, the site used to be about my it services, but since we merged with cnwr I now made the site about my channel And what I do for media creation and I have everything explained from the split merge I have the video embedded about our merger. I have a graphic. Matter of fact, do you notice the little things we did? I love this the this is from the designer not me Um, but when she built this like hey, they're separate over here And then the circles are a venn diagram of you know two separate companies merging into one. Uh, just a novelty of it I don't know. I like the little subtle things on here You're new here, but you think the site look good. Thank you very much F12 I know how f12 does the ved tools. I don't know what you're looking for If you have some concern email vlog thursday, um But there's I know there's a bunch of tracking that got embedded because we use hub hub spot Is how we have the higher s forms work and I embedded the hub spot tracking inside of here So this is all hub spot. So there's whatever hub spot has and I use google analytics kind of I have the google analytics data in there, but I look at the logs differently Um than google analytics. I'm actually using a tool I'll show you here So stop present share screen window This is a tool called go access And this is how I view the logs So I don't have to know The how many, um things if you're for example Google analytics shows me way less people than actually hit the website. Why well, that's really simple people have ad track Ad blocking which is fine.  So those are all the site requests 47 000 of them. I mean not bad for a single processor, but obviously I've run it out of memory a couple times now Which that's gonna happen people are probably gonna rewatch the live stream visit the site and it's a thing people do that I'm fine with it. It's not that big of a deal That's why we do things the way we do but Yeah, the um Check out all the stuff on here. Let me know if you see something that you Have some comments on the site or whatever. I'm always open to feedback and updating things and Clarifying things weren't anything else. I try to be very clear with what I do and how I do it So I've done a video on this tool go access. It's great if you're looking for a good tool for Viewing logs go access is definitely want to or viewing aggregated data of like Apache logs. It's great Sure any more questions How much memory is assigned to the site? right now The site has like two gigs and one processor. So that's Where the challenges come in two gigs and one cpu is definitely um, not a lot You know poll Let me switch here to this There goes someone's hammering away at Apache again. I see Yep And someone just wants to see the site go down again And then here comes all the Maria db requests. Oh look watch it climb watch the memory climb climb climb I should stop doing this. I'm encouraging people to do it Two gigs and one server Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah It'll do a good job until it doesn't I should stop showing people this they want to see the numbers go up and crash it Oh, yep, and here we go Limits have been reached. We just ran it out of memory This is this is great crashing tom's website in real time It's really struggling now. Yep And uh, yep, that's it. That's all folks It should be broke now Oh new high score here. We've reached a load of 70 We made a game out of D tossing tom's site All right We'll see how long this goes on for Time for another stick of ram. Yeah, he'll it'll be on it'll be on a content delivery network before, you know it share present share Look, you guys even crashing that data this time The server the server has stopped That's it folks. It's done It stopped No more data Nothing no data coming anymore. Oh well Put the cd up. No tom's gonna stop because it's been two and a half hours and it's fun, but yes I have some other things I got to get done Is it time for another stick of ram maybe Uh, what happens uh when the site gets hit by website crawlers that hasn't had a problem at all It's been hit by crawlers quite a bit Go ahead. Let's do cnwr next absolutely Just download more ram. Absolutely It's 404. Yep Yep. Well, thanks everyone for joining. Thanks everyone for crashing my website. This is fun Um, hopefully people get bored of doing it and then if not, I'll stick a cdn in front of it I'll just stick it in cloud flare and that'll be that such as life Um, I'm gonna get back to I have some more projects I need to finish because I really have a lot of videos to get done And I've got a bunch of projects started. I need to kind of like finish all of them Which does include that homelab server. I definitely want to get back to that Hit me up in the forums forums dot lornsystems.com. I'm over there all the time I try to check it daily and uh, thanks everyone. This is Move fast and break things. This has absolutely been the theme of this Uh Cloud for stream now.  That's as simple as it is folks. Sorry to disappoint the multitasking Doesn't happen up here. Uh, I work on one thing at a time. That's how I get it done If uh, if I try to work them all at once it just it doesn't go well Yeah, click the like button all that fun stuff and uh, appreciate it. Take care everyone