from the Wynn Resort in Las Vegas. It's theCUBE, covering .NEXT Conference 2016. Brought to you by Nutanix. Now, here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and Stu Miniman. Welcome back to the Wynn Hotel, everybody. This is theCUBE. This is our coverage of .NEXT. Nutanix's next conference. It's the hashtag is nextconf, hashtag nextconf. And we'll be here for two days. The wall-to-wall coverage. This is our second year at .NEXT. The first year, last year was at the Fontainebleau Hotel. Howard Tinges here is the CMO of Nutanix. Just coming off the key notes, Howard, congratulations. Thank you, great to be here with you guys. Awesome performance today. Last year, 900 people, over 2,500 people this year. You're going to outgrow the Wynn next year. Unfortunately, it was a great venue, so you must be feeling good. Couldn't be more excited. You know, we set a pretty ambitious goal, we thought of doubling the attendance from last year, go from 900 to say 2,000, and to have 2,500 people want to be part of this is just very humbling, you know, and couldn't be more excited. I love what you did at the beginning of the event. It's kind of rare that you have practitioners come out, your champions, leading, you know, the kickoff of the key notes.  You had a couple of Nutanix folks up there, but that was fantastic. Coming out to, we are the champions, and of course you were very engaging, made a little joke about the Warriors. Okay, don't do your slides two days before the presentation, but what was your thinking about having the customers out on stage like that? You know, we always just want to celebrate the people who help us get here, and with the typical trade show or conference, it's always kicked off by the vendors' executives, and we started this new trend last year. We said, you know what, maybe it's better to kick it off with our customers opening the show, because you never see that. And so we just took that idea from last year. Our first two customers opened the show first last year, and they had a very funny little banter thing going on, very impromptu humor, and we said, well, what could we do this year?  So we just, late in the game, we came up with this idea, let's bring our NTCs, you know, it's a first year program. It's our technical champions, all the folks in our partner and user community who are real technology evangelists, and we said, let's get them on stage, and then we did the funny t-shirt thing and the song, and it all came together, and it worked well. A lot of pride, and then the other thing is, because I love when a company can be self-deprecating.  That was a blend, and then F5, making fun of F5, the clothing company, again, a lot of fun. Thank you, yeah. We just wanted to get the conference kicked off on the right level of energy and get it started on the right. Yeah, so Howard, maybe talk a little bit about kind of the brand of Nutanix today. I see one of the ad campaigns you have is, you know, you needed VMware, you know, you wanted AWS, you're going to love Nutanix. Where do you want the brand of Nutanix? When do we think of you, how do we think of you?  Yeah, that's a great question, you know, and it's something that we think about a lot, especially in the last couple years, is we've grown and started to get more into larger accounts and go, you know, take our business throughout, all over the world. And it's really important for us to not only increase awareness of the brand, but also shape the perception of the brand. And you know, we want people obviously think of us as a premium brand, because there is a lot of commoditization, we would say, in hyper-conversion infrastructure now, where we started the company. There are more and more products in the space, but we believe, and I think many of the folks here at this conference would say, we're not anything like them. So we want to project a premium brand, and we also want to tell our story that it's not a box company, it's not a storage company, it's not a company that just does your compute and your storage. It's a company that does your whole private cloud. It does the cloud in a very public cloud kind of manner. We bring all the virtues of public cloud, but we give it to you with the control and long-term economics that enterprises want. So we think that that's the enterprise cloud, and that story has been resonating extremely well throughout our community. And that enterprise cloud is a multi-cloud world, and that's fundamentally to your strategy you heard and were talking about in the open, that your decision not to OEM and become a VMware reseller, which created I'm sure a little tension with your relationship with VMware, but it was a bold move at the time, but your strategy is to really put the right workload on the right cloud. Talk about that a little bit. We believe that in the future, they're not going to be this notion of public or private. We think there'll be one cloud, it'll be an enterprise cloud which connects the two. And within the private, we believe that there has to be openness and choice, because there are going to be times when we want to run our apps on VMware, there are going to be times when we want to run our apps on something else. And right now, it's extremely difficult to move between these different computing environments. And in fact, if you had to move, it's a major forklift upgrade very costly, and most people would not want to do it because the cost doesn't justify the return. So we want to bring seamless mobility, application mobility as we say, between these different computing environments so that customers have that flexibility and choice. That mobility we have delivered already inside the data center, but we think in the future we want to deliver that back between public and private cloud, and between different public clouds. That's the only way I think we're going to really get to unleash the full value of cloud, because today clouds are too closed and restrictive and not open enough. And we think that an open enterprise cloud is really the way that enterprise is going to want to build their data centers of the future. I thought the Gartner data that you showed was pretty interesting because we're a little biased because we commit with this true private cloud thing, but essentially that's what you were showing. Gartner survey, 1,000 people, who's doing private cloud? A lot of hands went up and then they filtered it down.  Who's doing self-service? And it really turned out, I think the number was 7% of the people were actually doing something that would emulate what we would expect in an AWS like public cloud. Your true north is to achieve that on-prem and connect those disparate clouds. Is that correct? Yeah, that's right. And I think part of the reason why we see this kind of unconstrained growth of AWS and the general industry perception is that it's public cloud and there's no going back and it's an AWS world and why would you want to try and build something like that on-prem? I think the reason for that is because there's such a disparity right now between the public cloud experience and the private cloud experience because when you kind of take the 7% and you take that out of the equation, the majority of the enterprises are running what they might call a public cloud but they're really running cloud inspired infrastructure or old infrastructure that they just have been rebranded by vendors to be a cloud offering. There's such a big disparity between the agility, the fractional consumption, the automation that's available. So we believe that we can close that gap. If we can close the gap between the private and public cloud in terms of those dimensions, we think that there would be much more balance between these two. Yeah, I mean, Howard, because I think customers are used to, it's easy to throw a new box in and do things the same way I was doing it before. It's a lot harder to change the way I'm doing things. So, you know, virtualization, adding a few pieces on top, but automating, I mean, that's a different skill set.  Who are the champions of your cause? You know, what's the relationship with the storage buyer? Can you talk about kind of that continuum that you've been pushing along? Absolutely, yeah. In the early years of selling our product, we were probably being brought in by a lot of virtualization teams. And because they were frustrated, they felt like they were being inhibited a little bit by their storage and networking teams to, you know, get the services that they wanted where they could, you know, provision a new virtual machine in their compute environment with a few clicks and a few minutes, they would have to wait days or weeks for the, you know, storage and the lines and the volumes to get managed and provision. So now we gave them that control. So the first couple of years, it was all about selling to virtualization teams, let them kind of unleash the full power of virtualization. More recently, I think we're looking, we're selling much higher up in the organization. We're selling much more to architects and CIOs and VP-level folks who are looking much more broader. They're not just looking at one specific piece of their infrastructure, they're looking at the whole stack and saying, what am I going to build here that can rival the AWS experience? So we're selling higher in the organization, we're selling to people who are thinking broader, I would say. So those tend to be architect types and CIOs. Now, we still obviously have to get to the storage folks because they obviously control some of the budget and they will be impacted by what we do. And I would say that probably the majority of the time now, they see, they embrace the movement. They're not fighting it like they were probably in the first couple of years of hyper-converged infrastructure because they're ceding some control to the server guys. But now they embrace that and they're just trying to figure out, okay, what can I do and what can my organization do to add value to this type of infrastructure? All right.  What's your thoughts on the state of the competition today? Look, the competitive environment is clearly getting much more intense. We welcome the competition. We love the fact that so many people have validated the approach that Nutanix has pioneered in the market for over seven years. And we welcome the competition because, you know, I always like to say, you know, we're in Vegas, if you're at a party and you're rocking out, but no one else is coming to the party, it's not a real good party. So I'm glad that everyone's joining the party and this is the place to be. And we started this, you know, we started on this journey to move from hyper-converged to enterprise cloud. And we feel like we've moved well beyond where the competition is. I like to tell people, you know, much of the competition, they're chasing Nutanix of 2012, 2013. Nutanix of 2016 is in a whole different place. So you feel like you have a three-year lead on the competition, is that? I mean, I'm inferring based on the numbers you just threw out, but that's a substantial lead. I feel like we have a multi-year lead on the competition. No one else does multi-hypervisor support. No one else does integrated virtualization. No one else does integrated file and block and now container services. I mean, that's just a few of the major differences. No one else does all the automation. No one does the one-click operational stuff, the mundane stuff. You know, we focus a lot on the low-level details too. How do I upgrade my clusters, right? Which is often a very manual and time-consuming task and people come in over weekends, lose their weekends to do things like upgrading my clusters. We do that with one click and we can do it in production without ever taking the environment down. That's why customers love Nutanix. You guys were talking about your buyer earlier. The two customers that struck me on stage this morning, one was Vonage and the other was NASDAQ. The Vonage gentleman, he was a product manager. He wasn't an IT guy, you know, per se. Of course he was, he was technical, but he was building a product. Of course they're more of a service provider. They are a service provider. And he was talking about the downstream benefits to his business in terms of basically time-to-revenue, faster, that was kind of interesting. The other one that struck me was NASDAQ. Sunil asked, what's your favorite product or feature? And he said the Acropolis Hypervisor, because it helps me avoid the VTACs. So you're hearing, you heard our open, that's a recurring theme in your base. It's the elephant in the room. I mean, it's not, you guys address it directly. VMware's changing quite dramatically. You know, they're trying to circle the wagons and hold on to that franchise, but the world around them is exploding with innovation. What do you make of that trend and your relationship with VMware right now? Yeah, I would say our relationship with VMware is obviously one that is mixed. You know, there are times when we're going to compete directly with them because they're selling a competing product, and many times where we're very complimentary. You heard Sunil say 15% of our clusters now run AHV. Well, the other 85%, the majority of that runs ESX. And we have to ensure that our customers have successful deployments running Nutanix on top of ESX. So in the majority of cases still, I think we're still very complimentary and we're partnering very well with VMware. But there are more and more instances where they want to come in, you know, into our market and try to replicate what we've built. And look, we just want to continue to compete with class and just build the features that our customers want, take care of our customers, take care of our partners, and we think we'll build a great business. So Howard, Nutanix is the leader in this space, but still if you look at the entire IT environment, a small company, that being said, you guys are growing. You've got the new Express product line going down to the SMB. You're going to have many more constituencies that you're pushing at. You know, how do you reach those new audience while continuing to build the brand and grow? There's a lot to do, Stu. I mean, the fact of the matter is we're approaching a billion-dollar sales run rate. You know, we're not quite there yet, but we're almost there. Many companies that have approached that kind of sales run rate, they're already hitting 20%, 30% of their addressable market. You know, in our S1, as you've seen, our addressable market is just massive. It's so big. We're barely scratching the surface where it's less than 1% of the addressable market. So when we look at our growth, the kind of what's been behind us, and now look forward, most of the excitement is ahead of us. You know, even though we've achieved this kind of success, we have 2,500 people here at this event, we're just getting started. And that's what keeps us hungry.  And he said, yes, I'm proud, but he also said, and I'm also a little nervous, because this could all go away so quickly. And we all, all of us from the executives on down in the company, we all know, we have to stay hungry and humble and honest, and we got to keep working. Yeah, you're not done yet. And so I thought, I've been in Vegas 24 hours now, so I can ask this question, the IOT question. I thought Matt Eastwood asked a very good question in the analyst meeting yesterday. Matt Eastwood from IDC, he asked about the edge. And nobody mentioned the IOT piece. And then today, on stage, we saw a drone. You know, the brilliance of this is that it was, it was basically a computer that you could make phone calls with that you could fit in your hand. And essentially, you basically showed a, you know, data center infrastructure and a drone today. And that is, to me, an edge device, a cloud device. I mean, I don't even know how to define that, but that's a whole nother opportunity that you guys haven't even talked about, at least not in your messaging. Yeah. Can you comment? Yeah, this is just the beginning of the transformation of the company from a product company to a platform company. You know, part of being a platform company is obviously working the ecosystem and making sure that partners can create value with us and deliver higher value to our customers. But the other part of being a platform company is we want to be everywhere. Running on all kinds of devices, all kinds of servers, all kinds of different, you know, smaller machines and allow apps to run on top. And that is ultimately the, you know, the true north of the company. If we could be a true platform company, run everywhere, run all kinds of different devices and run those apps efficiently, we'll have done something really special. All right, we're out of time but I want to give you the last word. Put the bumper sticker on the event here and what can we expect going forward? You have an event in Vienna in November and then how do you top this? I guess all I'll say is just stay tuned.  You don't want to miss this. This is what's really happening in enterprise IT. This is where a lot of the action is happening, not just from us, but also from all the sponsors and vendors here. We look forward to seeing everyone down the road sometime at .next. Excellent, well congratulations on this point. I know you're not done yet. You've got a lot of work to do, but it's a great momentum, awesome customer base, great enthusiasm, so congratulations. Thank you, thank you guys. All right, Howard, thanks very much. All right, keep it right there. Stu and I will be back with our next guest right after the short break. This is theCUBE, you're watching live from Las Vegas, .next.


Everybody ready? I just want to say thank you for having me here. This was really nice of you and Susan. Thank you for the tour See some things don't change But this has been really great There there's a reason I'm here. I'm really promoting My budget address and I think the direction we ought to go as a as a state And there are two really big things that I want to point out the first thing is Well, there's an overarching theme and that is we really need to take what happens in places like this seriously and And this is something that's not just a nice thing to have boy It would be nice to have a nice elementary school here But it would be a nice thing for me to you know have some of my tax money go for that because I'm just a nice guy The reason we need to invest in what goes on here is because all of our Lives will be better if we do a good job here. I live in York County, but I care what happens here in the school I care what happens in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Erie and Warfordsburg, Pennsylvania because if the kids get a good education in this school district Then my life is going to be better. My economy in Pennsylvania is going to be better So that's the that's what brings me here. So what do we do about that? There are two things that I think are really important first We need to invest in education. I understand that money is not the end all and be all It's not sufficient, but as they say in philosophy, it's a necessary condition to a good education Once you have that you can afford to do the things that you're doing here where you you have teachers working together You have students actually having so cratic seminars Those things are really really important but it starts with making sure you have an adequate investment and We have to have an accountable system to make sure that that we know that that our investment is is having a payback And schools will vary from from district to district But we need to we need to make sure that we're making the investment Second thing is part of making an investment I think starts with making sure we raise money the right way We have to allocate it fairly but we have to raise it fairly and one of the things that I ran on when I was running Governor and one of the things that I think is wrong with our system and has become increasingly wrong over the last 40 years is our property tax The property tax 40 years ago might have been a fair way to Fund public education because communities were much more varied in terms of economic class Today, it's not so much. We have areas that that we've we've segregated the Economic class and so the property tax is not as fair as it once was We have people who are paying far too much and getting far too little in terms of tax revenue For schools and other places that are just doing fine. We want to have it so that doesn't matter what your zip code is You are going to get a good education We don't we want to make a system that we don't care what your zip code is You're going to pay fairly into that system. So what I'm proposing and we've been talking about this for 30 years now at least How a how to reform our property tax system? I've come up with a plan that will save lots of money just in this school district 120% drop in the property tax. Now, what does that mean? Well, it means if you're a homeowner or you have a farmstead You're going to pay zero in terms of property taxes and that'll leave 20% over to have across the board Millage reduction for every taxpayer business every everybody second homeowner whatever So this is really big and I'm proposing to increase funding by what about 2.2 million dollars Just in this school district. So I want to do both things I want to invest more in education and I want to make sure we're raising the funding for education in a fair way And that's why coming to a school like this where we're really you guys are really doing a good job I was gonna say we you're really doing a great job I want to make sure you have the resources you need to make sure those kids get the education We all need them to get that's that's not the philanthropy. That's actually a hard self-interest And so the property tax reform is really important and the investment in education is really important So that's why I'm here to showcase it and I'm really happy that that you showed me showed all of us such such nice Examples of what we can do if we if we have the right resources. So thank you for having me here


So over the many years, maybe 10 years, I'm always very impressed when I do videos with you with the Genitech it seems that you have You you you have really good control of the technology and Understanding and the way you do things, right? I'm trying to I hope I think that I already did some things But I will do more You you'll do more What is the thinking of your your company, okay? so When I graduate from my college, I I want to start my own company, but I said I'm on China in the old stage, so I Decided to stay in the college for the as a developer for five years after that I Set up my own company I want to always want to find the right product To combine the market's demand as well as the newest technology coming to China It's always a challenge to be at the right time at you know like to be successful You have to do something amazing and really stable But also be at the right time at the right moment with the right solution and then It can scale it can become very big, right? Are you are you managed to catch those waves? Yeah From two directions one is that the potential demands from the market as well as the potential technology that we we can really We can really develop And that can be used for the for the product So that means and the product is the cross points that the demands potential demands as well as our Development capability the new technology trained, but we need to get it getting them done by our own hands And then the cross point is the future product next step. That's the same product But not me too something we must think further in advance And the prepare in advance for some time so as you you are the general manager I can imagine that one of the nice things about being the general manager is that you can try to have some ideas and try to to decide the strategy where it can go potentially and it's like a really Nice role to have to be able to be that you count Are you kind of like the idea guy or you have a bunch of people at the company that are also always coming with new Ideas and you pick the best. Okay to answer your question actually, I'm not Willing to be a CEO But I'm willing to be a good the product manager. So in this company my major role is to create new ideas and make it happen based on the based on our new products and Gathering our development team their capability the resource and make the product happen on and on track and How would you say is What is the role in this? This business for the customer and for you how's a Like because sometimes the customer have crazy cool ideas and demands the big demands, maybe they have too much demand not enough idea or too many idea not enough Delivery and is a big challenge to manage all this or our value our value is Sorting the ideas and to see which idea We can do we really can take Which demands is the demand that we can make a product or deliver to meet the demand? So that is our value How many times have you? Reached some kind of wave where you're feeling, you know, like this is perfect time We do we're doing just it just works and this is a perfect partnership with a great customer great partner and we are like Do you have a feeling this is happening every week here or it's some it's no, it's like it's it's happened me How many times it happens in your career? Okay Definitely several times. I'm so excited I was so excited that the way I have was this kind of idea I find the technology we have I found a solution. I found the basic draft product idea and as well as our Techie guys our development team leader they they tell me that they find a new way to do a solution And then can so the issues problem. So a few times not a not every week. I cannot do that like that So years for years every several years great idea and I guess as I understand, you know, I'm just a youtuber But as I understand success you have to manage to do something that can scale and Something that's really great and suddenly you can just push a button I don't know how it works in China, but you push a button and then you activate factory capacity, you know, like you you just You're able to do something that suddenly can be in big quantities, right? But you You have to engineer like you have to plan everything to be able to scale, right or Okay, so Two things one is you are talking about the manufacturing capacity. That is another thing we have our own factories and We we we have a bigger factories as well as we have a small factories That's a small flexible for small countries. That is another story, but for products Skilling up that we call that a product line So create not only one product But a product line to scale scaling up to meet the different Requirements for same category, but the different detailed the requirements. So we we have product line entry level or middle level high level products So you have those teams, for example, you have the team in Germany, right? How's it going? They're purely doing sales actually the all the development They're all the development that done by done by Headquarter in Shenzhen and another R&D center in Hefei and Huiprovins But is it true that also success in technology? It's it's a lot to do with marketing in sales sometimes, right? It's like you have to find the market and then fit it somehow Yeah, we've we've we need to find the potential market if we find the market market is there that means so we are late We must think in advance Think something not happen There is a not not not ready successful products already there or They are there, but we find something we can do much better How much of amazing like it's my first time here and since 2019 and it's such I Feel like I'm in 2040 sometimes when I've seen those things the last few days And when I look at those buildings over there When you see those buildings right here, this is the DJI DJI building, but not just the building and architecture, but the lifestyle Sometimes I wonder how much is China and how much is Coming from outside like are there a lot of amazing technologies that are here that you just need to try to adjust and adapt for other markets Okay, so It's like this in in Shenzhen here faster growing technology Here from the basic me two things means to the fall or the following technology to the To the only to the low cost of manufacturing Eventually many companies Like like us we we more focus on development And we we are trying to create some new new things and innovation things and Not to the me to not do the gesture lower cost. We will do new features new technology inside so eventually Shenzhen Become such kind of a city More and more Company like a DJI. They are they're just over there They are the leading technology company in Shenzhen more and more such kind of a company Come to Shenzhen or Grow up in Shenzhen When I see when I think of DJI, it's amazing kind of like as a toy or as a cinematography tool But I also feel that the potential of companies like that is like they could deliver you know like a heart heart machine to people who have a heart attack or Medicine to people who live far away and all this kind of stuff like in general you feel like technology is a way to Really solve important problems in society and make the world better. It's not just business. It's not it's not just about Business, right? Yeah, definitely Shenzhen as the manufacturing harbor as well as they is a turning to one Innovative technology CD Yes, we we create together with many other companies We create a lot of you know with your product to solve the problem make the life easier or better Make things quicker So I guess that's maybe also a little bit why You enjoy your your your job, right? because you you get a feeling that potentially you are trying to solve some problem for Potentially billions of people but let's say millions of people is already amazing But or even if it's 12 people it doesn't matter, but if you're helping people Yes, making money. Yes, I get I Have some happiness for making money definitely as a business, but more happy if I can bring some of valued Product and so the problem for the whole society or for certain kind of people Then that the value of being a company in the world then we have a special value We create something for the world and so I've been coming to Shenzhen now 12 13 years and I love the city is like I don't know if it's the best city in the world or something like that because it feels like it's the it's the real City of opportunity. It's the real city of you know, like When you have the expert designers who are expert in the platform You know the potential is the sky is the limit like you can really potentially do so many Interesting things, but I guess your problem is that you are When is do you have too many things to do and then you don't have any last time because it's only 24 hours, right? In one day and no enough resource for the developers. So that's why Five or six years ago. We set up another R&D center in Hefei Ahui province because they are have more young developers come Shenzhen is the lack of such kind of resource right now So it must be also amazing. Don't you when you when you know the scale you can go and how many? engineers you were able to hire and bring in to your company and then Each time you can bring one more than there's more potential, but then they have to They have to feel like they are they're working like not on useless things They should be feeling that they're always doing something exciting right everybody and it's it's a hard thing to manage or Yeah, but sometimes the daily work is boring sometimes when we have a new ideas and all the all the people Developing a team are exciting depends on but I should tell you a lot of work is boring Sometimes a big headache if they they have some challenges and the work working for that challenge for weeks or months is and then they still they cannot find a solution and the pressure from my side for more our customer side push to them and they They're frustrated. I hear from the the Linux guys At the Leonardo they one of the things that I heard them say all the time is they would say when it's boring Then it's a success. So you have to the thing has to just work and they shouldn't be like crazy Challenges where you have to work all night to make things but at some point if it's get boring then okay, it's working And Yeah, job said stay hungry stay foolish, but for a developer. They should stay boring All right, so this is such an amazing Office here. So all your potential customers and your existing customers If they haven't yet, they should definitely come to Shenzhen. Everything is open. Everything is ready, right? Yeah, they are we come they are we come right now, you know, the border is open No blocking anything and we have we have a room for the for the guest for the customer to do the Development job together if they have some project So pretty much everything is back to normal Yeah, even better than normal Cannot say still picking up All right, cool. All right. So thanks a lot One more thing is Shenzhen is the youngest city in China It's only yeah, it's only almost 50 years old only 40 to 50 and the start from 5,000 population small village right now we have 16 million something like that so Miracle unbelievable It's Will come to Shenzhen. It's it's it's I don't want to get into politics, but there's there must be some Like I don't know maybe it's just capitalism or I don't know what it is But there's just so much Happening here and it's like that when I look out I see like four square seven skyscrapers being built right here. Yeah so That maybe there's no limit or maybe there's a limit hopefully there's no limit It just keeps like because as far as I understand there's a there's a Shenzhen here There's don't one over there this we do and and all these kind kind of cities They're growing and they're growing into one big city Because of people because of people young people and a lot of you know Innovative people came to Shenzhen and they stayed together and because of a supply chain here for electronics It's a fully set up and then they use a very easy For you to find all the wonders here as well as the government of Shenzhen. It's very open It's very efficient. So it's easy to set up your own business in Shenzhen And I'm hoping I don't know how it is, but I'm hoping it's not too expensive to live Depends depends where you are But I guess you you might have to commute if you want a cheaper rent a little bit. That's a little bit of an issue For for the office not a big issue, but the properties of for the young young guys, it's a it's a big headache right now. So it's a Very expensive, I should say and this is actually an issue in every city that I can think of like when I'm in Europe Every city that I go to they all have problem with this I don't know somebody should figure out how to do like a lot of affordable housing everywhere It's a problem right now in Shenzhen It's a big problem for for company like us We we hired a lot of young people and then they they are here But the house is too expensive Yeah, so somebody needs to find the architectural solutions for that because I've seen that I've been here for a week and it's such amazing architecture I haven't seen before and it's really Exciting to see such architecture, but it would be nice to see it to create affordable Housing too, and I guess that's another challenge. It's not just beautiful Yeah, office space and beautiful like by the Bay the obey it looks amazing with the I think it's Uruguayan architect or something like that Just amazing new things to look at and the the malls. I've never seen such mall I think it's beating Dubai or something. It's amazing like in bow and the malls Whoa, there's so much lights everywhere But of course is another challenge to get affordable housing So so people don't have to go so much in a ditty in the taxis in the subway and To not go so far every day to go back and forward to work Let's hope Cross fingers Cool. All right. So thanks a lot. Thank you. Nice to be back here after three four years Welcome. Yeah weird time that was happening before yeah last time I met you in Shenzhen is How many years seven years? 2018 19 18 I think it's 18 cool. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for watching


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Also, we are running a sale this month Maps hit and the no BS six pack formula both 50% off for the half off. Go check them out Go to maps fitness products calm Just use the code July special with no space for the discount. All right. Enjoy this podcast We just went live with Sal's Workout video and I was really curious to see Because the vlogs like do kind of like whatever on the on the on the channel people always want to watch See what we do work out. I know I'm and we should of course, right know that but that was like the first time We've done a vlog that's like that and I know that there's been a little resistance from all of us on that because none of us Feel like we're like I don't want to pose like a cool guy You kind of have to do all the cool guy stuff. Yeah, it's also anti like we're so against like the way the fitness Industry sells fitness, which is like look at me. Yeah, I'm sexy and blah and we're all like every now and then we got to let him Yeah, that's right. They don't even know But I mean that the truth is though it just it just highlights how much it works still because look at the way It's it's taking off right now the comments are flying you didn't even call for comments It's flying right now and you know the one of the number one comments Is everybody wants to see this guy's work out Justin's work out. Well, yeah, that's interesting to me Yeah, you're a horse. What do you mean? Well, maybe because it's a little different obviously, right? I'll sell hyped you up pretty good too. So He hyped you up for good like oh Justin's so strong Did you watch it? Yeah, but like I didn't make a way through. Oh, yeah Okay, then the tingle ease are happening you can only watch salad a wife Weird This doesn't make sense Yeah No, no what I said in the video was because I actually talked about both you guys and this is just true, right? So, you know because Eli's filming it and so people don't know Eli Kind of manages the vlogs and he narrates it and he was asking me about you know My workouts and comparison to you guys and and I was just very honest. I said look here's a deal You know Adam was an IFBB professional Chasing his aesthetics is gonna be it's a you know, it's a it's a game in futility in other words I'm not gonna achieve his Aesthetics, but it's nice to reach for that, right? Yeah, and then I mentioned you and I said Justin's different I said if you work out with Justin one of two things will happen, which this is true Also, either you're gonna get hurt or you're gonna give up Because that's kind of what happens The more jacked he gets the sweeter he becomes this is all these I was watching Like I don't go back just like When he's feeling amazing Adam's so good looking and fit and Justin's so strong.    I know it's been a minute So we did an update on what highlight the differences in your workouts I think that's so that's such a important thing to talk about because you do things Different and I mean Adam and I will play around with some of the stuff you do and some of the stuff will do consistently Yeah, but you definitely work out Different Adam and I work out more similar yours is a lot more serious It's like it's like if you have your go-tos that you still kind of incorporate even though you've trained Or you like change your adaptation focus completely you still kind of pull in some of your favorite Exercises I do that a lot with certain things I know especially for my shoulders that I want to maintain and keep function and keep performance high I'd need to keep keep putting rotation in there. And so I do still do Indian club swings. I do may spell swings I do things that are loaded for rotation because I want to maintain that strength It's just been so beneficial for me. Yeah with overhead presses specifically also bench press anything where I'm pushing And then just having good posture throughout the day, too I've noticed that like if I don't Incorporate certain unconventional lifts like my posture sort of gets affected and even all the way down to my hips Like that's one of those things.  Like I feel like my body starts to slowly Deteriorate on me. Yeah Well, we need to talk about the may spell swings because a lot of people watching or listening to this have never tried one And so they see it and it's like like if you see some if you're if you work out and you see someone squatting Two or three times their body weight everyone's impressed, right? You see someone with a may spell that weighs 75 pounds Yeah, and you don't really understand that that's freaking hard like how heavy is the heaviest one that we have That is the lightest one's 15 55 pounds. I believe yeah, okay Swinging a 55 pound may spell.    I mean, Justin? Would you I feel like I would tell somebody that I would start somebody in like Indian clubs before I went to mace 100% I just safer right like to swinging a may spell Way more control make sure you have space by the way You know that time you were swinging it and Adam had his dog here and it was like running Oh my god, I almost took his head out. Oh, that was scary Yeah, I feel like may spell can be a lot more dangerous than the Indian clubs Especially if you've never done it before and or you don't have great shoulder mobility I think it requires yeah requires more technique and to learn But yeah, I think it's so valuable though. Like I just don't feel like You know what happens is Instagram sort of pollutes a lot of these training methods where you start adding dance moves to them And it's like all of a sudden it becomes this thing where everybody's doing all these really super fancy moves that are like unnecessary I get so much benefit out of just a 360 swing and and because I can be intentionally Focused on just that swing. I can slowly progressively overload, right? I could add more weight To that specific movement and build strength just like any other muscle. Well, don't you fit? I mean, that's typical fitness industry right to bastardize something. That's amazing. Yeah, right Like I think your point to the 360 is that really what or at least what I use it for is to keep great full range of motion Strength up. Yes, and one movement that the 360 swing that you're talking about Does that better than almost anything else? Now what I see a lot is like you said is I see people doing these phant reverse lunge with it to a whole Yeah, and I've messed around with that and when I'm doing it I just feel silly because I'm like, okay, this isn't really a great leg Exercise that I'm doing right now. I'm getting a little bit of routine.  Let's put it that way Like I'm just focused on the strength part of it and what's benefiting my shoulders And so that's where I just try to keep it simple Just like when you go back in and start lifting, you know for these compound lifts, you're like, oh, yeah those five lists Why did I get away from those five lifts? It's just cuz you get distracted.   I know it's a good for rotation the shoulders my core Oh, oh boy, you have to stabilize your spine or you're gonna snap Yes, and the history of it by the way, it was used heavily by wrestlers Back in the day Indian wrestlers in particular, you know, if you look at the history of wrestling India has an incredible lineage There was one wrestler called the great gamma. I think his name was if I hope I'm saying his name Right, maybe duck could try looking him up and this guy was like, I mean he'd look like the cartoon wrestler with the mustache Yeah, the curly. I mean this is before like forget steroids before protein powders and creatine, right? And this guy was just huge and I think he had something like 2000 Matches undefeated. Wow. Yes, and he would and this and some of the exercises they did where there he is right there Look what he's holding a massive Doug push the man right click on the very right picture. That's an Indian dude. Yeah, and he was a beast I mean look at that guy. Remember, this is no they didn't like necessarily lift weights. They did what were called So great gamma gama. I'm sure picture of him will pop up here on the YouTube He they did what are called hindu squats hindu push-ups. They did lots of kettlebell swinging they did of course Indian clubs and This this guy yours. Do you have any idea? Good. Good. It was a long time ago, but that's a good question I want to say it was in the 1800s. They really call that, you know when the king 1940s when was it 1940s? Mm-hmm. Oh, so it wasn't even as long ago as I thought. Yeah, but anyway, this guy 2000 matches or something like that undefeated and you know while he was born in 1878 So Yeah, yeah, so he was he was wrestling then in the way you just said that's in the 40s That would be he's 70 something years old when he was doing these feats. No, no, that can't be right No, I 1947 riots that doesn't have to do with it That's By the way, the men land on the moon in I Love reading about old strength athletes because they were they were not polluted by Social media magazines supplement company nothing they and they were these guys were beasts like there's another guy He was a judo fighter from Japan Kamura actually the Kamura lock in Jiu Jitsu. Yeah was named after this guy This guy was a beast he would throw people with a very basic judo throw Oh, I think it was a soto gari It was a call it's like a one of the first one and he would literally knock people out He hit him so hard on the ground.  No, they don't know not really, but the Kamura is famous because he so he Leo Gracie who's the founder of Gracie Jiu Jitsu or some people would say Brazilian Jiu Jitsu He was this kind of small skinny guy and he would do all these fight these challenges in Brazil This is how he got Jiu Jitsu to be very popular and his dad learned from a Japanese judo guy So he learned it and he would do all these matches and then he wanted to challenge the Japanese champion Kamura and Kamura was Undefeated nobody could touch him Kamura sent his student down first because he saw he saw one look at that's a move isn't it it is so This is what happened, right? So he sends down. I think the guy's name was Sato I don't remember anyway.  I've remind me what that looks like. I know I've seen it in UFC before They'll take the arm and they'll bend it behind you and you grab the wrist grab your own hand And so use leverage to oh where you got two arms like you're cranking on it Yeah, so it's two arms on one so it comes from the behind here, and yeah, it'll snap you Dude, I've seen spiral fractures Tournaments it's disgusting the arms now how many how many of the moves like that have you learned the history? Do you know a lot? I was a nerd about it. Of course. I looked up about everything. Is there anything? I'm not a nerd about there's a Kamura locks you on the very right. I mean, I appreciate bro It's great for podcasting. So I mean it's so it's so you it's annoying In real life. It's annoying for podcasting. It's brilliant. Yeah, that was one of my favorite some damage And the Japanese are huge fans of that of that. Oh, yeah, that's a nasty. Yeah If you look at Kamura if you look up a picture of of Kimura the the Japanese judo guy remember They didn't lift weights either they did lots of body weight stuff and they would do body weight stuff with partner So someone would jump on their back that he squats or push it He was jacked. Oh, yeah He was like 220 pounds and he would other people's body weight around all day You can look up like Kimura judo champion or maybe that that'll help or Kimura judo judoka Oh, yeah, Masa Masa Hiko is I say, okay. Look at it. Look at on the very left. Look at the guy's neck, right? Just thick necks everywhere. Yeah, dude, and he was he was jacked dude, bro again.  I think teaching his students and he's just throwing them like there's nothing now when when did When did like the weight training evolve to help these guys? Like when did we start to figure out like what type of exercises and things that they should be doing in the weight room to get Them great like traditional resistance training. Yeah, yeah, because they did body weight It hasn't been that long that that really has moved into it You know, here's the thing in fact I talk about this a little bit in the resistance training revolution book Yeah, how is that going by the way? Oh, it's going. Oh great I think we're we've hit like 10,000 copies, which isn't bad for a few months. Oh, wow It's got five star reviews on Amazon. We have great fans. So I mean they'll go on there very vocal. Yeah, they've been Yeah, the best thing is I'm getting messages from people who never exercised or you know, traditionally and they'll message me and say Wow, I never thought about doing resistance training to improve my health and now I'm doing a routine I feel really good and so that that's the most, you know I mean you would know more than me as far as talking to the publisher and the agent stuff I thought what is what they consider like is it a good launch for us? Is that is 10? I mean 10,000 sounds like a ton of books. Yeah, it's good for the how long it's been released Because it's evergreen it'll probably continue to grow So I mean the goal really was to create a book to get people talking and get me on shows to talk about Resistance training. I mean, I know what our desired outcome was but I'm just curious to like, you know, they said it's good I actually have no idea. Yeah, I don't know if it's good or bad. I mean, it sounds good I mean, that's that's a lot of books in a short period of time And what we tend to notice is it's still just trickling, right? It's just happening. Yep. But yeah back to the resistance training, you know I think with all sports It wasn't that long ago. It was like Five decades ago, maybe so maybe 50 years ago Yeah, but even then I feel like so like I remember when USC was first coming out and remember they were all doing like CrossFit Yeah, so it really it's really evolved just in the last decade I feel like where they started to wasn't it Bruce Lee who really started kind of bring in a lot of the actual Training and bodybuilder kind of training. He was so ahead of everybody Yeah, but I mean at least the thought of it of bringing that into martial arts. Think about that, right Bruce Lee was doing movies in what the 60s So who were the top boxers at that time, right? You had like Muhammad Ali, George Foreman Yeah, they didn't lift weights even George Foreman didn't lift weight. He looked like he lifted weights Yeah, that's true. That's interesting boxers were encouraged not to they were they told to do road work calisthenics bag work Right in chopping trees. Yeah, and they were saying if I didn't realize they weren't they weren't lifting weights back then They thought it would make them slow the first boxer then to start to do well With all these like random Jack the banner Holyfield was the first guy to popularize it right to make it look like yes, dude lifts weights, and then of course ties Man it took a long time, but you know what I love about sports is and I'm not a big sports guy, obviously But here's what I like about it subjective So it's like if the team keeps kicking everybody's ass then at some point you can believe whatever you want But they're big they're winning so yeah, okay Well, I guess lifting weights has got some real value. So maybe it's time to start implementing it football was probably the first sport To really do it. Yeah, and then later on now. It's like can you think of a sport where they don't lift weights? No, but I still think that golf they lift weights. I know I mean I think that even it's still evolving though as far as how they train it was I mean, there's still a lot of professional athletes that have terrible coaches and trainers Yeah, I mean so that it's been it's been popularized enough to know that it's important like hey Lifting weights can definitely benefit whatever your sport is But I don't think that it's gotten so popular that every athlete has a a primo coach who's telling them what they should think That's only just now happening. I agree. They're just now figuring out. They need to really specialize their training Programs to cater to these athletes for longevity, but also they're they're very specific sports needs Yeah, because it you know, it wasn't that that long ago or again athletes were encouraged to not lift weights because it would you know reduce their speed and performance and Now you're starting to see them pay attention go back to the 80s, right? Look at the training regimens and diets of some some of these guys Literally, there were baseball players that would party all night Forget that they had a game. Who's that one pitcher? He dropped a ton of acid because he thought he was gonna party and ended up showing up I'm sure you have Daryl Strawberry, but no, yeah, I know you're talking about. Yeah, there was like a pitch to no hitter Dwight I don't I think that's who I brought him up before I keep forgetting his name But you know and then of course you go back even further that I mean Ruth What about nutrition? I mean nutrition is really is probably even further behind than the weight training because there's still a lot of Athletes that eat like crap and then there's a handful life that we're not a handful more than a handful But there's a smaller percentage of them that are actually dialed in is doc Ellis Oh doc in the game you can watch the game and you had no idea And he threw a no hitter which is absolutely a bold move He was in the zone though, you know You know what you know was I did not know and this is when we talked to like top level Sports coaches, right is they say oftentimes the reason why you don't mess with diet is because it messes with the athlete Psychologically so like if if so-and-so player is like before every game I drink two glasses of Kool-Aid and I eat a cheeseburger from McDonald's and I win when I do that and then you're like Nah, man, that's not good for you. You know, it was super super realistic. Yeah, was the sports psychologist We had on McCabe Brett McCabe. Oh, yeah, that's who talked about that. That's right. I forgot all about you're right It's because it's the return that you get on them eating better is a small enough return that it's not worth Dude He's like, no, I eat a double cheeseburger before every game. That's how I win. Did you all right? That's your process Did you have anything like that when you played?  Don't talk to me like I had to hyper focus and be in in my own world And I used to get so mad at in college specifically because everybody is just all jokey and jovial before we're about to like Basically go to war in my mind. Were you guys taking supplements? Were supplements popular like in your school when you were doing that?  Yeah, so there were some guys that were really about it like I mentioned Was it many things remember those when they came out was like Fedra Fedra like there was a couple guys that I mean That's only happened for a few games, but they're experimenting with it and oh my god He's just seen the opening kickoff.  Have you I don't recommend the zerkers Yeah, I'm your heart didn't explode.  Yeah, so that's yeah It's great. I actually did a whole talk yesterday just specifically on nutrition because I was like that's something that nobody talks about I have no idea where these kids are coming from like one thing that was interesting to me to think about was a lot of these kids will Sleep till noon, right? And so that and then they're just like barely even cramming something in before they come to practice And so they're not even like properly, you know preparing and eating, you know to get to practice Which I mean they're expending so many calories in these workouts Because it's not just like in the weight room where I want to implement what I want to do with them But it's also they got to go run hundreds and they got to do all this crazy other Stuff and they're not even they don't have the proper energy because I haven't been focused on eating Well, you have to be that okay I'll get me before we're done here today Make sure you talk to Jerry all have them send over specifically for your high school team You'll be a champion, but you show up every time just with the lmnt perfect Yeah, this kid's getting cramps and you know, there's They're not properly hydrating so I guarantee that would make a massive difference.  That's what I'm saying You'll be look like a champion doing that Who doesn't love free supplements that's it so Katrina always laughs about this because we she just did this yesterday Who was it? She just is I don't remember who she did this for but we do this a lot Like as a thank you to someone that maybe helps us out or comes by the studio We talk about how much free supplements that we have she always does this little. Oh, it was Vicky That's who it was and I didn't even tell you guys this so yesterday Vicky was in here. She cut my son's hair after after all of us and She's like hey, she hasn't asked any one of us this. Yes Katrina. She goes. Hey, um, could I buy some?  She's like, of course don't worry about it with size and she's getting our stuff And then she put together like a you know She just took all the random supplements that we get since that's like the go-to move like all these supplements We get given to her and we give but she goes every time I do that you you would be surprised Like how excited everybody gets I'm not surprised. I said ever I know what I was We talked about this before that if I was 22-year-old me trainer and you told me that this future business that we were going to build All you had to do is was out at a fitness expo No, it gave me Unlimited supplement access and like thousands of dollars someone sends me for free I would be like, oh, that's yeah, I wouldn't even care about the salary or how much money like really I'm gonna get that much free I mix all kinds of weird things It'll happen if I ever die that's probably what you know what killed me yeah, so makes four different supplements together He wasn't No, but psychologically I remember as a kid when I was 14 or 15 I just started lifting weights and I'm going through my parents like they had their own supplements like and they were vitamins It wasn't like anything crazy, but I remember going through being like what can I take before I work out and my dad had these Vitamin C packets that you put in water and it fizz. Yeah, and I thought for sure This has to do something. Oh dude, and I would take it and get the best workouts. It was all psychological No, it's because it got bubbles talking about football Have you guys Justin? Have you seen what the COVID restriction rules are for the NFL right now? Have you seen what they're doing? No, I haven't I'm gonna read these to you guys So I actually restriction for fans or for the players for the players So this is what this is what they're doing So they tried to encourage the players to get vaccinated and I think they were so unsuccessful with it This is this is the rules for this season I'm gonna read them off because I was so surprised on like the stuff that we have here So if you're a vaccinated player You will not need to be required to submit a daily COVID-19 test if you are unvaccinated you have to test daily every day every day, right? If you're vaccinated will not be required to wear a mask at a team facilities or during travel Obviously, if you're not then you will have to well You will if you're vaccinated you will not need to quarantine after being exposed to COVID-19 if you have it We will need a self-quarantine following exposure For someone who has been back vaccinated no travel restrictions or limits on move on movement If you have if you haven't been will remain under same travel restrictions as of as the 2020 season restrictions Which is the whole two weeks before you can see anybody remember all that stuff They can't so listen there's some there's a bunch But I'm gonna name some of the ones that I thought were really interesting like you can't even use the cafeteria with your teammates So they're gonna isolate these people that are decided. They're not gonna get vast in it vaccinated You can't even use social media. So resizing them. Here's a weird way. You can't you can't you? Listen to this. Okay vaccinated players no limits on social media marketing or promotional opportunities Unvaccinated players not allowed to have social media marketing or promotional opportunities. Why I know I thought that was really weird That's that at that Clearly is just pressure. Yes vaccinated because that has nothing to do with you All right, you can't you you're not permitted to use a steam room or sauna I mean, they're doing a lot of things to just completely isolate this dude remember how I brought up that dark hope that dark horse podcast where They had that that Doctor on who talked about Ivermectin and then Rogan had the two guys was it was a Brett Winston Weinstein You know someone corrected it. It's it's it Weinstein or Weinstein. He pronounces it Weinstein Weinstein Okay, so Brett Weinstein and then there was this other doctor can't remember his name They talked about Ivermectin Rogan had an emergency podcast had them on so I got a message I actually got several messages from doctors in other parts of the world where they have low access to vaccines And so they've been relying on Ivermectin and they're saying it's tremendously effective. I had one lady message me I forgot what part of the world. She was fun. I want to say Africa and she was saying Oh, yeah, we've had tremendous success using Ivermectin to China land too, right? Yeah, Thailand Africa. I know some areas in Brazil were using it and they're finding tremendous success We don't hear about that over here and then there was also some now I think the FDA is now investigating. We don't like competitors. Yeah I know the FDA is investigating heart inflammation issues for adolescents who are getting the vaccine. That's mainstream by the way I'm not making that up. So yeah, don't monetize concerned. Yeah, I know interesting, right? Yeah So but I mean I get the whole Yeah, they're a major, you know money machine and they want to protect their money machine totally and that's really like why they're so Crazy about I'm sure, you know, yeah, cuz one person on a team gets a text everybody's paycheck They have to the team can't compete at the way that though, you know, I was gonna ask you guys So what I mean that I know how I feel about that like what's your I mean? I would be upset as a player, but at the same time like it's an organization, right? And you're getting paid So it's kind of like, you know, each one of these Companies sort of have to set their own standards, right? So no, I agree. Yeah.  It's my business Plus those guys I mean, it's hard to feel bad for pro football players make you know millions of dollars. Yeah Well, I mean that's their job, right? And there's most people that have a job. There's parts of their job They don't like but you still show up when you work because there's a lot of other things that you like And so that's the way I look at it. It's like that's you're not the one writing the check You're you have the opportunity to work for them and play and is even though I'm not a fan of all that stuff like that I also agree with their their ability to be able to do that.  Oh, okay I don't know Sal might know this or not, but why is that? Why do you always start like that? Because he's in the weird facts Yeah, no, okay, just try don't backpedal If you know the answer, I'll shock. Oh my god. See Adam feels a little bit threat. Go ahead. Go ahead Yeah, so the the Great Pyramid. Okay, how many sides is this the Great Pyramid have how many sides? Wrong.  Hey, what do you mean eight as eight? So it's an eight-sided. It's eight sided So it actually like inverts From the corners, so there's a point in the middle of each one of the corners Oh, and they didn't see that until they were it was some kind of like so equinox So it changes as it goes up. Let me get a hexagon and not a frickin. I don't know what that's called But it's it's definitely eight points to it where we always thought it was four But they didn't notice that until the shadow of the Sun hit it at like an equinox or interesting Yeah, it was crazy. I wonder why aliens made the pyramids. That's what I always think about Yeah, why would they mean there's a reason? I mean wouldn't that change the definition? It's not technically a pyramid anymore.  So I think the pyramid still is part of it, but okay now explain it So like so there's four points to the base correct, right? Yeah now if you add like little inversions on the sides It's still a pyramid Hmm. It's not like I feel like we're more confused than before I know even less now They don't even know yes Have you now I know you know this Justin because you're in again you're into this kind of stuff Yeah, but you know that the you know the sphinx, right? That's that looks like a big grand thing. Yeah that it has Pretty clear water erosion Marks on it, right good to prove the flood Well, just to show like and there wasn't water in Egypt for way before the pyramids ever existed Yeah, and so they think that that proves older that the sphinx was there before way before the pyramids were I mean, how crazy is that? You know, it's funny. We have no way of knowing we have no way of knowing all speculation the truth of like all of this Well, okay, what's the if the if the great flood was true, right from Fred if you're going from the Bible When was that time frame of that in relation to I have no idea? Oh, yeah That's my know that yeah, there's no definitive like date for that I think it's just because well, there's a lot of interesting new data out there, too That you know shows more than likely there was a meteor impact which then caused like this huge flood and you know affected Basically in the United States, you know the Great Plains. Yeah, where like it wasn't a slow process Yeah, it was a fast process of ice just basically came down and carved through the land Because the current theory is like that water slowly eroded and created, you know the Grand Canyon and Graham Hancock says there might be evidence that this was a fast process that there was this Cataclysmic event that created All of these things and we really have no idea. Yeah, Randall Carlson He's like this geologist like but he has like really cool evidence that shows You know from aerial views and things how when water moves fast how it cuts through the earth differently So you actually see that on a massive scale of these fingers like you'd see at the end of like a river or whatever It looks very similar, but on a really massive scale. Here's the weirdest thing for me You ever seen the pictures of they're like, I don't know what you would how you would explain them They're not carvings, but they're definitely Big pieces of I don't know for lack of a better term art that you can't even see or notice until you're in the sky in a plane Have you guys seen these no they're ancient and you can't make them out like if you're down on the ground Or around it you don't know that there's literally a picture of an ant or a spider one of them is a naked dude with an erection Doug what yes, you have to look this up now. Yeah, Doug look this it's literally a dude with a boner And you don't see it unless you're way up in the sky. He's excited for aliens to visit Yeah, so that's those are the Nazca lines. There's there's one. That's a spider. What's it? What is that? I don't know what that is those are you see them from space under the Nazca lines. What is that? That's what I'm talking about one in the Peru I believe yeah, and Peru and so what what is that? What is creating that? Is it someone?  So it just stayed like two thousand years old some of these that they find Worst is the green piece that came down there and actually like a destroyed. I don't know how you find this But it'd be like naked ancient naked man seen from airplane or something I want you guys to see this really really just to see this naked. Yeah, I you know Doug is so his search history Nazca naked man. All right, man. I don't know if it was a Nazca though. I might have been someone else Let's find that guy. Yeah, that's the guy that's like hello. Yeah. No, there's literally a dude I swear to God. There's a monkey. Yeah. Yeah, right there. Oh, that's uh, no, that's in the English How long has that one been there? Medieval so it's a medieval You know, what's no way that's what it says. It's not prehistoric.  Yeah, I do you know be funny. Yeah, if we did a massive like Imagine the math requires to do that exactly With without the ability to see something from now. I might imagine that that's way more difficult than you think That's what I'm saying to be that accurate They couldn't you here's I was expecting to see some you know some lines and like you're like That's better than that's better. I can draw on paper.  Yeah, well think about it. They never saw their own damn painting. How are they gonna see it? You're in medieval times. You ain't jumping that high like what are you doing? You get you're kind of guessing, you know, where are they gonna see that from? Yeah, that's it from a plane man, and it's it's I can't tell Doug what it what is it in that's that makes it stand out like that Are you less interested in this dog? I feel like I'm really interested in this. Yeah, you are very interested I I mean that's fascinating Something that's that I mean something that old you don't have the ability to see how I mean and it to be that accurate Yeah, it's like it's a big hoax and someone mowed along that way Well some of those crop circle things they've shown how they've been able to do that But those can get really geometrically complex Yeah, and so some one of the of course funny theories is that they were making that for the aliens because aliens are in the sky They're communicating So like hey, hey, we got a boner. Yeah Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah.  Okay.  We're out of here It's made out of chalk it's what made our chalk Chalk that would wash away the rain. They've repaired it multiple times apparently yours. Yeah, it makes sense. Here goes Adams No one time some kid did that in the 1980s Yeah, that's how now I'm starting to think that way so it's chalk on the grass, huh? That's kind of weird Yeah, I don't understand the details of it, but let's just it's it's a thousand years old. Yeah I'm I've never I've never seen that before so that's really yeah. No, it's interesting. That'd be a fun tattoo, huh? That'd be great on your arm. Yeah, it was on your arm It's cool stuff. Anyway, I want to ask you I'm gonna take a left turn here Adam I obviously wasn't in truckie with you guys when you guys had this famous Rib, but me buddy. What's the deal? Everybody's like bragging or talking about how amazing it was.  So I was actually really excited.   So well not technically the whole time smoked right? It was smoked for two and a half hours But it's cooking for that long. Yeah. Oh, yeah cook for six hours. Yeah, so it just falls off and it's just oh, yeah I gotta admit I was a little jealous because they were actually better than my ribs I was asking a lot of questions like what did you do here Adam? I didn't know you had that in you So I You know, it's funny he says that now because he was he's asked a lot of questions for a lot of questions for a guy He smokes ribs all the time. Hey. Yeah, they were so good. I mean they were Juicy and I you know I actually called an audible a little bit because we we couldn't find apple juice where we were at So I didn't have the apple juice to kind of hydrate it and you actually saved me with that because I'm like looking in the house I'm like, what can I hydrate these things with so I don't dry them out too much and Doug's like well, you could use beer and I'm like, oh, that's a good one. We have plenty of okay I'll make some credit you do you do I mean so Because that was my one fear was that they were gonna get dried out too much because I didn't have anything to kind of you know Based them in a rehydrate them throughout the the smoke that long of a smoke without having anything to hydrate it with It could dry it out a little bit So Doug said the beer and so but I didn't want a really heavy beer taste So I didn't do a lot. It did just enough to keep it kind of beer That 808 beer we had in the refrigerator Sorry, you don't even know my beers, right? So yeah, whatever we have all this beer in that refrigerator because people have stayed in our house And then we just none of us drink none of us drink beer. So it's like piled up. So that's perfect. So I use that and I had this seasoning from from kinders that I use. I think that's how you pronounce it, right? Is it can I pronounce it? Kinders. It was a maple. It was a like a Maple seasoning but it has things like brown sugar like that in it, which is something I would know I'd you normally use the brown sugar with butter and honey to when I do the foil So the way it looked is I seasoned it with the kinders Smoked for about two two and a half hours at like a two two twenty two twenty five After that I pulled off when I pulled pulled them off. I wrapped them in foil Obviously season season them again, and then I took some Kerry Kerry gold butter to kind of melt over the top of it And then did a little bit of the beer and then I drizzled real lightly honey Sealed them back up in the foil Flipped them upside down so that it's it's kind of Marinating and all that and then cooked them for the next three and a half or you know The here's a deal with like grass-fed meats is that you know when you get the grain fed stuff It's like more palatable. Obviously it's got more fans But here's what I will say their ribs are the best ribs. They're actually okay So way better than the well, especially if you cook them for a long time I was excited about you know how well they turned out myself considering I didn't have all the things I wanted so I did them again for 4th of July, but I didn't have the butcher box I had to use the one of the Safeway one So I had one butcher box and the butcher box butcher box one way better way better. Yeah, now these are pork ribs Yeah, you know what their pork is incredible. Yeah, it's the heritage or so taste yeah Which is interesting to me because being completely transparent when you eat grass-fed beef in comparison to your your grain-fed beef I don't like the taste that much better I mean it tastes healthy and it's good, but it's not as rich and marbly as the as beef sure brain fed But with the pork and maybe you can explain to me the difference between the butcher box heritage pork versus what you would get The grocery store because I don't I don't know I don't really know I know heritage pork. You know Doug I don't oh, that's all funny. Nobody knows. I know it's I really I know they raise it. It's it's exactly It sounds It tastes better. Yes, so it tastes significantly better than the pork and it's like so one of the tricks about ribs, too Is having the the bone straight and even so it cooks even because it's such a long cook It's easy to have you know one side cook perfect and then because this is kind of fattier or it's turned It's thicker this will be way different because that the longer I cook like that the more discrepancy there is in the meat size and everything from one end to the other in the bone could really change how Perfect the whole rack is so you want a rack that is like Almost identical so that when you pull off in six hours It's a nice even cook everywhere and actually that butcher box or they're beautiful. They're always perfect and Hardest thing when you're at it when you're at the grocery store one of the hardest things you can do is to find Multiple rack racks that look identical what you end up having to do is cutting probably a good portion off to try and make them Look like that but your box does have a nice rack Hey, I hope you're enjoying this podcast Check this out. This is a company. We've worked with for a very long time called brain FM Now they have songs and beats and sounds that you listen to that induce different states of consciousness Different states of mind no joke. I'm not making this up. 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No, you know, it's funny must if you look up the studies on Isometrics right and the value of isometrics and how it helps you connect to Muscle so you could fire it better In oftentimes isometrics are done in these studies without any outside Forces so you're just flexing essentially like what a bodybuilder would do on stage And if you look at the the old-school bodybuilders, this was actually a part of the routine I know Arnold would talk about posing for an hour a day something like that Pre-contest before the show and he said it would bring out definition And in quality he said to his muscles this there's this 100% has value So yes, there's definitely an ego portion right where you're flexing for the mirror here But I tell you what if you know how to hit here's a good example If you know how to hit a good back pose where you can activate your lats and flare them and flex them You're gonna be it's gonna be much easier to feel your lats when you do an exercise like a row Well, this is how I teach if there's not any good solid connection My muscle connection there in the chest even like I'll slow it down and just you know Sort of pause in that position to squeeze and gain that Neuromuscular connection because it's so valuable that way because when you slow down And you're able to kind of feel Feel your way to to activation of the muscle that isometrics are beautiful for that I always wonder when I was competing if that was like the origin of it right like if somebody actually really had the smarts to know that What he was doing or she if it was a girl that was starting to do this first, right? Like if it was my intention was to fire the CNS get better connected That's why I'm flexing in the gym all day long or if it was really something that was more self-absorbed I like the way it looks. Yeah, I mean, I always wondered that I know I know that chicken or the egg We talk about this a lot We talk about the importance of the central nervous system We talk about being able to be connected to a muscle if you can if you can with no resistance Flex every muscle in your body. I guarantee that you can train it better than someone. Yeah, that's control Yeah, so that is it that is a fact. Yeah, so there is extreme value there If you can on command if I can look at you say Sal flex your right pec or squeeze your left flat If you have the ability to just like that flex or activate that I Guarantee that you have a much easier time building that muscle inside the gym totally now to answer your question It was the isometrics that came first. So Tension based exercises have been around as long as we've known about resistance training It's been practiced for a very very long time as a way to improve strength and performance later on bodybuilding Included a posing around so what they actually used to do in these shows is you would come out and do some kind of a feat of Strength usually involving gymnastics or some kind of a strongman event Then there was a second round where they bring that back and you yeah, right? Imagine these 300 pound bodybuilders doing some kind of yeah Most of those are like that's genetics though Some of them just are flexible like in flex wheeler man He would do like you got the splits on stage and do Tom Plats was known for his incredible Flexibility. Yeah, but anyway, it's it's there's definitely value to it And what's funny is the bodybuilding poses the compulsory bodybuilding poses Actually, if you do them right or excellent at activating pretty much every single muscle Every single muscle you have the the front double bicep the back double bicep the front lat spread the back Let's you know lat spread you have the the you know hands around the the neck ab pose Which is actually more of a quad pose most muscular like all of the poses that you find in bodybuilding Even the rotating ones which are in compulsory. They're excellent for connecting even before bodybuilding You had Charles Atlas and you had his program that was bodyweight based, but it was all just isometric flexing I mean for the most part this skill also Gives you the ability to Change exercises so you can do an exercise to One person may look at and go like oh that's for your traps or oh that's for your rear delts And you can actually change what you're trying to focus on because you have that ability totally like I when I go into an exercise I can take the same exercise and it could be something that was designed for my rhomboids But I could be using it for my rear delts or you know You could be doing something that's like a major back exercise, but you're really trying to isolate and focus on the lat So you can do movements that are traditionally for something else, but then work I mean just like a a close grip bench press right when you are trying to work the triceps You can really make that be more tricep than chest and shoulders But if you don't know how to think about that while you do the movement It becomes a lot of chest and shoulder still it's still a chest and shoulder movement because of what you're doing But if you have that ability to contract and flex the tricep on command like that because you've practiced that Then you can go into a movement that yeah It has chest shoulder and triceps and you can make it more triceps like you're trying to do yeah Like how about a supinated grip chin-up? I can make that a back or a bicep Like big-time bicep. Yeah, I'll tell you what when you look at priming like we talk about priming all the time priming really is a much more individualized advanced and Effective way of just connecting to muscle flexing essentially is what priming is If we were to make it really really general so Definitely, there's a value to flexing in fact, especially if you have a weak body part Flexing it in between sets and at the end of your workout should make a difference That's all the resist all resistance training is flexion of the muscles with some sort of resistance Yeah, that's all it is you are flexing a muscle and that resistance can be weights like barbell stuff It could be cables. It could be bands. I mean that's all resistance training really is is flexion of the muscle with some sort of resistance Next question is from folvio the castle What's the best way to increase core strength and performance? Okay, so since performance was included in this I'm gonna avoid the kind of aesthetic Exercises because you could definitely do exercises that develop the muscles like a bodybuilder really get them to look really great And then there's performance, which means how well does my core? Perform in lots of different movements. I mean most movements involve the core to some degree So when we're talking about performance really it's about Stabilization by keeping the core stable. It's about transferring energy Can I use my legs and my upper body and have the core transfer that energy very well? Because if you'll notice if you run or walk, there's this kind of counter Pendulum cross-sectioning sort of pattern. Yeah, so I like Rotational exercises. I like what is it called counter or anti rotation rotation exercises stabilization movements where I'm holding and Stabilizing Explosive, you know medicine ball slams and throws. I mean those are really going to give you phenomenal core performance in terms of Athletics and being able to move I think you have to break down a little bit more exactly the difference between strength Strengthening and performance are different goals So if you just if you came at me and you said I just want to build strength in my core The training routine would look different than if you came to me and said I want to have performance in my core like when I think performance, I think of speed acceleration control stability Explosiveness rotational strength. All those are that's all performance driven, right? I want to be able to have this this stable strong explosive reactive controlled core And then if you say I want to have a strong core like it's building strength Just like it's building strength and in quads or biceps or any other muscle So it's it's a different adaptation now There's carryover from each to both of them right if you have if you never train your core and you get stronger You're gonna have some performance benefits and you also if you train for performance benefits You're gonna get some strength benefits from it But they are different adaptations where we're trying to go after there. Well, I I know in terms of performance a couple Exercises just for like sort of a visual that come to mind are like chops like wood chops or like, you know upward chops or You know like just rotating, you know across your body with either your hips being in anti rotational Stabilized position or rotating with you So there's there's both of those elements to it where I like to I like to be able to compartmentalize that so a lot of Athletics you need to be able to have like a nice stable base in order to produce ground forces But also you need your upper body to be able to rotate, you know ferociously And you'll see that a lot in you know in baseball you'll see that a lot You know when you're hitting, you know a baseball or you know, you're throwing a punch or you know How to generate that kind of force from the ground through your legs You know be able to anchor your hips and then be able to drive in take that momentum Through you through your arms. So what I'm hearing from both of you guys is that If someone came to you with this specific question that I want core strength and I want performance It sounds like you both would go I'm gonna focus on performance Because I know that I'm gonna get some strength because both the exercises you guys are recommending right now are more Performance-based. Yeah, and I would say it's strength is very specific. So okay. I want a stronger core for what? You just want to be able to look at it or yeah more reps With a high resistance exercise like a leg raise or a decline sit-up or just stable in a squat in a deadlift Yeah Performance I tend to think more of sports that you know that I'm like football baseball, you know tennis those types of sports But yeah, I mean strength is just it's very specific like I can get Very strong with a decline sit-up with resistance and really activate my core have a good strong stable core But be terrible at throwing a ball. Yeah, because there's a lot of technique skill and speed that's involved in that So, you know, and this is by the way, it's a good attribute I mean it is awesome to train your core like we have the no BS six pack formula, which is really an aesthetic based In strength based ab in core program really developed to build the abs so they're more visible And there's carry over there But if you want like athletic and sports performance train your core like an athlete Well, that's where I would lean you to okay So perfect example no BS six pack abs more strength based core stuff in there maps performance more more You start with the foundation of the strength right to be able to gain that Control but really stabilizing the spine So, you know be able to do that on command is the first step because you need to be able to be anchored and be grounded Where you are right and be strong in that position Whatever it is and then the performance to me is now adding a lot more variables to that where things need to rotate Things need to anti-rotate And how you're able to kind of put all that together is performance next question is from wife of the tree yogi Are food intolerances self-induced or not? That's the million dollar question. Yeah, right? Yeah, so more often than not I would just in question. Yeah, so I mean food intolerance is like what causes them So one thing that might cause them is you have inflammation in the gut the The junctions between the I guess the cells that line the gut because remember the gut really isn't in your body So think of it this way think of like a donut, right? The hole inside the donut isn't in the donut It's actually on the outside of the donut the donut just surrounds the hole So when you eat food it goes through the body think of it that way It's not in your body until it's absorbed and what allows it to absorb or come into the body or it's very Complicated, but the wall of the gut and the intestines allows things to move through well if it's inflamed Particles can go through when they're not supposed to and over time your body might recognize these particles as foreign invaders develop kind of an immune response and Blingo blango you have an immune response to food that you eat all the time So that's one, you know common popular explanation. You also could have food intolerances because of Sebo small intestinal bacterial overgrowth you could have an histamine intolerance as a result of it So now you're eating foods that are high in histamine like bone broth for example, which is supposed to be good for your gut But all of a sudden it's causing problems. So I would say probably a lot of it is Self-induced, but then there's ones that we just you know, I mean could you consider I guess lactose intolerance like being born with allergies Yeah, I was gonna say yeah, what about things would you guys subscribe to the idea that like epigenetics are playing a huge Role here. So let's say like what's expressed I mean, I definitely think there's things where if your family came from the Mediterranean and there's generations of generations of eating Certain types of foods your body is just and you've that's been passed down from your dad It just agrees with a lot of food and then when you go outside of that I think that I see at least in my experience with clients like when they go outside of those things that they're Their families have been eating for generations on generations I feel like though you're more likely to be intolerant to those I feel like some people are more susceptible to it than others in terms of like having that kind of genetic predisposition like there may be something underlying there but a lot of times some people like they don't really get to the point where they Feel the consequences the clearest example of that is lactose intolerance So if you look at like northern Europeans, you're right is in African-Americans is extremely high, too Right. So now if you look at northern Europeans, they have a very high tolerance or for lactose Yeah, and it's because for they've been drinking milk probably for thousands of years longer than most places, right? As you go further south in Europe, you start to see lactose intolerance go up In Africa you see lots of lactose intolerance except for certain areas Yes, there's actually tribes that the drink milk. Oh, yeah There's there's regions of Africa where they have tremendously good lactose tolerance So that's a good example of how our genes kind of you know play a role in how we tend to tolerate food now Here's a challenge with that Adam is Especially nowadays and especially in Western countries very rarely We find someone whose lineage is so like one area like my family's all from from southern Italy So it's easy for me to be like, okay Mediterranean, right? But most people are like, yeah my I have a little bit of yeah, you know Swedish I have a little bit of this and a little bit of that in me And so then it's a little mutt so I think you really just kind of test it out for yourself and see how you feel But that's the clearest one. That's the that's the one that's most studied where we can see clearly Oh people from this area tend to have you know, 20% of them are lactose intolerant whereas people from here 5% or whatever Next question is from Jack Michael What are some good high protein or just healthy meal or snack ideas for someone on a college budget? Yes, you know, there's a myth that if you're if you're on a budget You can't eat a diet that is conducive for building muscle and being lean right that is totally false In fact every college student or person that I've worked with with this challenge Oftentimes when I look at what they're eating. I'm like you're eating out, you know four times a week or once a day Like why don't we try removing that and Starbucks on top of that which is seven eight bucks?  It's cheap. Yeah, dude. Stop buying the aged prime rib, you know at the at the whole foods like literally bulk ground beef rice frozen vegetables and bone broth like you have That right there covers quite a bit so you could buy bulk ground beef You could buy bulk chicken thighs or chicken breasts Canned fish so tuna fish is very inexpensive You could buy rice which is one of the least expensive foods on the planet very easily digestible source of carbohydrates potatoes Very inexpensive certain fruit very inexpensive frozen vegetables frozen vegetables are very easy very inexpensive You buy a bag of broccoli That's frozen or a bag of asparagus that's frozen and there you go and you actually will save money You'll actually save money eating this way and it's healthy and it's conducive I think this question gets asked to a lot because of the how much, you know, we promote organic whole natural foods And I think we've talked about this a long time ago. We haven't talked about this in a while that if we had a Order of operation here, right of like what's most important? Organic food isn't number one, right? So I think that that's something to be clear about like if I had a kid who just absolutely every 10 cents difference makes Counts and I'm trying to get him from eating McDonald's and fast food off the 99 cent menu and you want to build muscle or you want to be fit You know a regular ground beef. That's not organic. That's fine I would not and I'm not saying that that's ideal or where I were what I even eat But if it came down to I've got a choice with this kid who's broke that I can't I can't buy He's trying to find money under his yeah, you know couch or something then yeah Organic food doesn't come above eating balanced good diet correct balance good diet is a higher priority Even if it's not organic before that you're right, so I will I will say this nowadays Grass-fed organic the market has grown so much that you actually get pretty good prices You could look out for good deals butcher box a company that we work with Great prices for grass-fed type of meats, but yeah at the end of the day. I mean literally Buy in bulk ground beef chicken thighs chicken breast buy in bulk rice buy in bulk frozen vegetables some fruit You are set you are good You have nothing to worry about and I and you'll actually save money I promise you you'll save money doing it this way and you'll have a great muscle building fat burning You know healthy type of diet Look with that head over to mind pump free calm check out all of our free stuff We got lots of free stuff that we give away to our listeners and our audience Things like guides and how to burn body fat build muscle become a better personal trainer You can also find all of us on Instagram so you can find Justin at mine pump Justin me at mine pump Salin Adam at mine pump Adam No, it was called a growth mindset at the time But that's exactly what I adopted this belief that you can become Anyone you choose to become with tenacity and determination and I decided that I was going to be a healthy person with healthy habits That was literally the phrase that was my bedrock And so when I would ask myself when I had you know faced with decisions or choices I would ask


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