ith UNESCO IHE is not able to be with us physically today because there's an executive board meeting of UNESCO but she went to great lengths both beforehand sending her apologies but also communicating with us again today expressing her regret of not being able to join us but wishing us all the best and congratulating us as well on this day that we're all celebrating but fortunately we knew this ahead of time so Flavia has recorded a message for us so we'll begin now after lunch with a brief message from Flavia Slagel. Excellencies ladies and gentlemen due to UNESCO's executive board in session right now I'm not able to join your celebrations but it is an honor and a privilege for me to convey on behalf of UNESCO my congratulations to IHE Delft Institute for Water Education on its 60th anniversary UNESCO feels proud to have the IHE Institute as a beloved and highly appreciated member of UNESCO Water Family we all are working together on solutions to respond to the present and upcoming global and regional water related challenges the year of the 60th anniversary of IHE Institute also marks the 30th anniversary of the Bruntland Report Our Common Future where the unprecedented pressures on the planet's lands, waters, forests and other natural resources were first put on the global political agenda underlining the downward spiral of poverty and environmental degradation it resulted in an urgent call for a new era of action in line with sustainable development I would also like to mention the UN Conference on Water in Mar de Plata, Argentina in 1977 already 40 years ago where there was a call for action to avoid a water crisis of global dimensions before the end of the 20th century looking back into the history of IHE Delft and UNESCO IHE Institute the Institute had always been a frontrunner in taking up the upcoming water challenges by shaping the education, research and capacity development agendas to empower people, communities and institutions the close cooperation with UNESCO's science sector and intergovernmental hydrological program has been at the core of the Institute since its inception Water in a changing world with all its risks and uncertainties is still the challenge for the water sector itself and furthermore for water leaders and policymakers With the 2030 Agenda and the 17 Sustainable Development Goals it has become increasingly evident that we have to get out of the traditional water sector box due to the fact that water problems have greater social, environmental and economic components and SDT6 on water sets ambitious targets in this regard IHE Delft is well prepared to respond to these challenges the cross sectoral approach cutting across disciplines the cooperation and engagement with universities development organizations and implementing agencies particularly in the global south are vital to continue and further develop scientific excellence and impact on the ground for me IHE Delft will stay a unique flagship institute in the UNESCO water family generating tangible impact through education research and capacity development furthermore IHE Delft will play a crucial role when it comes to the implementation of the water related SDGs successful implementation needs more than technical answers it needs a change of mind the world in 2030 will be significantly different from how it is today and water management and governance have to adapt to these changes UNESCO's holistic approach to water makes adaptation more feasible strengthening the science policy interface and developing institutional and human capacities are also at the heart of IHE Delft gender mainstreaming in the water sector the rise of water diplomacy in the framework of trans boundary cooperation the close cooperation with the world water assessment program and the issues covered by IHP8 highlight the opportunities and synergies to be gained by a continued close cooperation between UNESCO and IHE Delft I am confident that IHE Delft is ready and will continue to meet enormous challenges ahead together with UNESCO its member states and its partners within the Netherlands and around the world in the name of UNESCO I would like to thank the government for bringing them of the Netherlands and the IHE foundation for their unwavering support to the institute I would like to congratulate all professors and staff at IHE Delft for their contribution to water management around the globe and it is to students and alumni I would like to encourage to use what they have learned and studied at IHE Delft to make a difference congratulations for the next 60 years Thank you very much Flavia I am sure a warm feeling is rushing over her in her executive board meeting as she feels and senses our gratitude so UNESCO a key partner and long term partner in this institution and for the future and for its success another as Flavia mentioned is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs the ministry has supported for many many years and we have worked in partnership so that we are able to also support to the best of our ability the growing and the evolving foreign policy of the Netherlands and we are very happy that just last year we began the second phase of our programmatic cooperation this is an extremely important initiative for the institution many of our staff members across departments and disciplines are engaged in projects around the world and this partnership with the ministry also continually encourages and stimulates and challenges us to increase our impact so a lot of that talk today of how are we going to achieve greater impact will contribute to the success of that relationship we are very happy that in the flesh we have a representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so I would like to invite Keis to the stage please Keis is the Director of Climate, Water Food Security, Energy and Natural Resources in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and in addition to that you are the ambassador for sustainable development so a fantastic list of responsibilities within the ministry I would like to begin with the stage to share with us the message you brought today thank you very much good afternoon to all of you excellencies ladies and gentlemen friends of the water sector and to be honest to your list of impressive functions I am also Arctic Ambassador which again is one of the most fun parts of my function I have as you can see in the program I have been given 20 minutes to explain to you a bit our view on developments in the water sector and the role of IHE Delft in that particular sector and I will use these 20 minutes actually only 19 minutes so much left so I have to really start but we really want to make use of this opportunity to really explain to you our views on this sector that is so important for the Netherlands as you all know but certainly also for the world so it is a pleasure to have the opportunity to speak to you today at the occasion of your 60th anniversary to congratulate you all with this milestone and when you turn 60 most people start to ask you questions like when exactly are you going to retire or what are you thinking of doing when you are a pensioner you will be focusing on the next few years you have left before you retire and since my age is somewhere around 60 I can tell you from my own experience that this regularly and increasingly I must say happens but today I am not going to ask these questions because I don't want you to retire when you are 65 or 67 or whatever is the pensionable age today we need you to be there until 2030 the date set for the realization of the SDGs including of course a very ambitious goal around sustainable water management but hopefully also for many more years after 2030 Flavia mentioned next 60 perhaps even more than that hopefully and let me start by looking at the years between today and 2030 what are the main challenges we will have to deal with what is the landscape we will have to work in first of all I think that every analysis of this period has to start with the word climate we did agree on the number of ambitious targets in Paris and by 2030 we should have significantly reduced CO2 emissions but we will probably have to conclude in view of new evidence to be presented to us by the IPCC next year that these targets are not ambitious enough that we will have to put the bar even higher and in the meantime we can expect impacts of climate change manifesting themselves more and more for example in changes in water availability be they floods or droughts furthermore substantial population growth in many parts of the world will have serious consequences for food and energy production and economic development productive sectors demand water which increases the need for integrated water resources management and not all countries do have a proper infrastructure to guarantee equal distribution of water there are many competing claims to solve between drinking water and water for industries between irrigated food production energy supply and ecosystem services between countries the same river basin and between rich and poor so there are many challenges to be picked up the years to come and from a water perspective but maybe we should go one step further and focus our attention more on nexus planning where competing needs of all sectors are taken up and this requires more intensive interaction with other sectors from food and energy to minerals and security sector since a shortage of water can enhance tensions between countries and groups and to do this all in an effective and well informed way we need the expertise of knowledge institutions like IHE Delft to help us with those so please may I ask you never to retire let me outline what the Netherlands Government sees as the main water challenges for the years to come what are we already doing about these and how do we see the role of IHE Delft first we firmly believe that proper management of global public goods like water is important to realize a stable and prosperous world we are also convinced that future policies should be determined by the ambition of realizing the SDGs dealing with consequences with climate change working on integration between water food and energy and only prevention of possible conflicts which may arise over public goods like water and a traditional focus on countries should be complemented with a regional river-based approach where the vision of water over various sectors and between countries can be more easily addressed within the focus area of water we work on three themes integrated water resource management water use in agriculture and access to water sanitation and hygiene or wash all contribute to the realization of the SDGs and in addition we focus more and more on trans-boundary water management or water diplomacy since we expected regional tensions over water shortages floods or the unavailability of clean water will increase in the years to come and it is one of the central aims of our foreign policy to contribute to a stable world so this issue will certainly get more and more attention we also intend to ask for more attention for this geopolitical dimension of water and more broadly of the climate change issue during our membership of the Security Council of the UN that will start in the first of January next year as you know negotiations for a new Dutch coalition are in full swing we trust that water and climate will remain on the agenda of a new government and that we can continue working broadly on these three themes so within each of these three themes there are a few cross-cutting policy objectives and challenges first I want to mention the SDGs as they provide us with an internationally agreed framework and with specific targets and indicators for each of the themes the basic water ambition enshrined in the SDGs is that we must achieve universal access to water supply and sanitation and Minister Plouman made a very ambitious commitment in this respect committing the Netherlands to provide 50 million people first time access to sanitation and 30 million people access to water supply our team worked very hard with many of you actually to develop a strategy for how we are going to achieve that commitment and for us the key words in this whole process is sustainability we don't want to just drill boreholes build toilets or extend pipelines we want people to use these and we want service providers whether they are utilities or water committees to manage these servers in a sustainable and professional manner we are therefore putting sustainability clauses into the contracts we have with partners to help ensuring this they will need to guarantee that adequate services will be provided for at least 15 years and they will have to report on that we cannot afford to repeat the images of the past of the graveyards of broken hand pumps abandoned toilets the SDGs have also targets for water use in all sectors and agriculture is arguably the most important in this as the biggest user of water and the SDGs ask us to increase water productivity have more crop per drop this in turn requires us to have better methodologies for water accounting and together with FAO IHE and IWMI we have recently launched a database which shows where water in Africa and the Near East is used efficiently Integrated water resource management has for a long time been a key focus of the Netherlands so we are very happy that the SDGs also have specific targets for this dimension of the water issue we cannot achieve the other targets without thinking in a more integrated manner using creating access to drinking water supplies if the water resources are not managed sustainably there may not be an incentive for increasing water productivity in agriculture if it is not clear who will benefit from the water that is being saved and the Netherlands will focus specifically on integrated water management in urban deltas as those are the areas in which many of the complexities and interrelations between water sector are most acute and these complexities are only going to increase in the context of urbanization and climate change so the SDGs are an essential cross cutting policy framework for our water ambitions the second framework I want to mention is climate change as I mentioned already we now have an ambitious framework to reduce CO2 emissions and mitigate climate change in the form of the Paris Agreement and mitigation is essential if we want to reach the well below two degree scenario but for the Netherlands the adaptation dimension of climate change reducing losses and damages caused by climate change is at least as important many of the expected losses and damages will come through water floods that wipe away infrastructure even take human lives or droughts that leave people, animals and crops without water and many of those losses and damages can be avoided or reduced by better water management drought proofing building with nature to reduce flooding increasing water storage capacities are all examples that come to mind when thinking of ways to deal with this and I'm sure that here at IHE Delft there are many more examples of adaptation to climate change that we can build upon the third and final challenge after the SDGs and climate change that I would like to mention is the financial one at the financing for development conference in Aris Ababa we had discussions on how we are going to finance the achievement of the SDGs and in Paris we discussed how we are going to support countries in implementing their climate plans so many decisions but the challenge always remains to actually get the money on the table so let me brief sketch some of the main trends that we see in that respect we think it is important to be realistic on this issue whether we like it or not there will not be substantial increases in aid for water if you look at OECD data for example on aid to the water sector you will see that this has remained more or less stable for the last few years both in absolute amounts and as a percentage of all aid and there is no reason to expect that this will increase it would already be quite an achievement to keep it at the same level and this means that we must make more most efficient use of the existing resources aid effectiveness in the water sector is therefore a key concern for us hence our continued engagement in sanitation and water for all another priority in relation to the financial dimension of the water issue is a more effective domestic resource mobilization the Addis Ababa declaration is very clear developing countries need to increase their domestic resource mobilization and there is lots of scope for that several countries in Africa have pension funds that seek long-term investments with a decent return on investment countries are issuing bonds for infrastructure investment we as water sector can capitalize on these opportunities but it means we must get our house in order I mean would you be happy if your pension savings are invested in a utility with non-revenue water rates of 50% or one that is running a substantial loss only if we have well performing and regulated utilities can we capitalize on those funds and that is why we are supporting the establishment of water financing facilities modeled on the concept of the Waterschapsbank that aim to mobilize the financial resources on the local capital market and we have made a positive start in Kenya and are looking for possibilities in other countries a final element I want to mention in this financial chapter are tariffs unfortunately in too many places the tariffs paid by users for water services are nonexistent or simply too little and it is often the poorest who suffer they need to resort to much more expensive alternative options when utility doesn't provide water because its financial balance is very serious so having healthy facilities start with good tariffs that allow sustainable operation whilst of course ensuring affordability for the poorest so much for the Dutch policy let me now turn to IHE Delft and what role could IHE Delft play in relation to the three themes that I mentioned and the cross cutting issues of SDGs climate change and the financing of water IHE Delft is very well positioned to work on these challenges as addressing these is above all question something of knowledge our contacts with partner government show the increased demand for sharing of knowledge they do not see so much as financiers but as a partner that can broker technical knowledge and expertise and IHE Delft is of course a strong provider of such knowledge the people in this room the tens of thousands of alumni across the world and your strong network of partners attest to the knowledge you have created and the capacity you have built over the past 60 years I was in Dhaka, Bangladesh last week and there as has happened to me in many other countries the first remarks made to me by local counterparts from government and water institutions I did study at IHE Delft from that to that year and this is always a very pleasant start of the discussion and we are proud to have been your partner and certainly would like to continue partnering with you in the future so the reputation of IHE Delft is good it's very good but if I may and as a good friend I would like to use this birthday celebration to give you a few suggestions to make your impact in the global world more impact to make it more future proof first put your work and future policies more in the context of future challenges like population growth climate change increased competing claims between sectors countries and population groups second maintain your strong reputation in the field of drinking water and sanitation with a focus on urban issues such as the reuse of waste and the embedding of urban water services in the broader urban water cycle and when focusing on the urban water issue pay special attention to financing and sustainability we need your knowledge on how to make urban water and sanitation services more sustainable so that these are able to attract the domestic financing that is needed to extend services currently unserved or underserved thirdly continue with your interesting world work in the field of water accountancy and water productivity we need your skills and capacities to understand current levels of water productivity and the most important routes for improving that and in that link also with the FAO database on water productivity fourthly develop a strong record of water diplomacy and transboundary issues it is an issue for all of us from diplomats to youngsters from women to media from farmers to entrepreneurs we all need to be aware of the growing water crisis and how to address competing claims your knowledge on ecosystem services can be very helpful in this you have to look actively at other external partners and reach out to non-usual suspects and we like to plea for special attention for a greater involvement of youngsters not only your students certainly also them but certainly also beyond and they have to know which complex problems are awaiting them and lastly strengthen your linkages with policy dialogues policy makers like me, like my colleagues we need the results from science that you produce I think for example about the high level panel on water in which Prime Minister Rutte is a member he will need the results of your work but packaged in a way that he as a policy maker can understand and use them also linked with policy dialogues such as the delta coalition and the international water ambition which focuses on urban deltas show the relevance of investments in water science by feeding into these policy dialogues so these are a few thoughts on this birthday celebration and to conclude perhaps a few remarks about the way you are working again from a friend participating in your birthday celebration first further develop the approach to learning and you have a fantastic network of alumni and you involve them in lifelong learning distance learning is another area in which you have made much progress and I hope you will make that even stronger and be flexible and enter into new partnerships you know much better than I do that solving complex water issues requires a multi-stakeholder approach nobody can do it alone and you have obviously been working with many partners already including universities, research institutes, NGOs and governments but also think of some of the unusual suspects like for example banks and expansion funds especially in view of what I was stressing about the need to broaden the financing basis for the water sector and last but not least anticipated financial resources for development cooperation won't substantially increase not in the Netherlands and not among other donors this means that you need to be less dependent on Dutch resources and diversify the funding base and attract other sources of income AIGDELT is doing it already pretty well but more is needed concluding dear guests, dear friends we have been long time partners your science is an important input into our policy making your alumni all over the world often become our counterparts as ministers of water or utility managers in our partner countries and the capacity you build contributes to achieving global challenges that we are all committed to and I sincerely hope that we will be parted for the future as well and that it is not a birthday on the way to retirement but one in a long row of universities to come as we collaborate to achieving some of the global water challenges and let me at the end also express our gratitude to Frits Holswart for his leadership during a turbulent episode of AIGDELT because of your commitment to the institute and the openness and transparency that you have shown while being at the helm of AIGDELT that we are able to have a really very nice pleasant celebration today so I thank you very much for your attention and again hope you will have a very fruitful continuation thank you thank you very much for your clear message advice as well from a friend who has always taken with much more seriousness and you can be sure we were taking notes as you were providing your advice for the future well very good and in the program now we have a moment for a musical interlude so I'd like to invite Abdi Merpar to the stage many of you will know Abdi he is one of our family musician and we are fortunate to have him entertaining us today as well Abdi is a PhD fellow at IHE he is originally from Iran he is also of course a musician playing the Santor and the piano today he is playing one of his improvisations on the Santor and you have been playing since you were 10 years old and it shows and we are the ones who are benefitting from those many years of practice and preparation so for Abdi I can hear an encore call coming from the audience but we really must continue thank you so much it's a gift and I know that how relaxed do you feel now after that musical massage really all right well we are going to continue with our program now and we are going to turn our focus to Africa 100% now and focus on strategies for the future and especially the role that capacity development plays in the future development of water resources in Africa bringing in a key partner recognizing a network that we are very active in so I would like to first invite Chidi Berry Nebuyo on stage Chidi Berry will be conducting the interview Chidi received his bachelor of engineering from the Federal University of Technology in Oweri, Nigeria in 2010 he's now studying urban water and sanitation in the water supply engineering specialty and he's just completed his thesis research and will be graduating tomorrow so congratulations Chidi is also among our most active participants in the program we were talking just at lunch about the many roles he has above and beyond his own studies and therefore the sacrifices and the dedication he's made to his class as a whole and I'd also like to invite Lapo Magoli on stage Dr. Magoli is a senior research scholar at the University of Botswana's Okavango Research Institute in Mauri she received her PhD in development studies at the University of East Anglia in the UK in 2003 with work focusing on natural resources governance and she's also was elected the chair of WaterNet which I think we'll learn more about in 2014 so may I invite you Chidi to begin your interview alright thank you okay before we start I think it would be nice for you to tell us more about WaterNet Organization because most of the discussions will be referring to WaterNet Organization so it's very important that people know what the organization is all about yes good afternoon embassies and colleagues thank you for inviting me here and happy birthday IHE I was going to say UNESCO IHE that's what we are used to thank you very much WaterNet is a water network of universities and research institutions that work on water from southern Africa it's SADEC subsidiary for capacity development in the water sector and it has a few flagship programs that it runs it runs a master in IWRM integrated water resources management and then it also runs a yearly symposium for water academics and professionals and practitioners it also has a short skills development professional training that it does it's been running for two decades now it started with a partnership between southern African institutions and UNESCO IHE at the time 20 years ago and the relationship has been running for the past 20 years first it was a partnership and we developed it together until it was localized and I must say that IHE Delft remains an important partner at the present moment it is also donor funded and the main funder is the Netherlands government through the foreign affairs ministry and through the embassy in Maput I think I should stop there it was a very detailed description of the organization I think as we go through the questions she will tell us more about what the organization is the activities we want to start from this first part I remember the last speaker talked about he talked about some like regional concepts being introduced into IWRM so can you tell us what is so special about the approach of waternet and how they have helped in creating impact in southern African region what is so special about waternet is the NET at the end the net it is a network that is what is special about it's about cooperation it's about integration of knowledge it's about integration of institutions it's about being together in innovating for water solutions so that is what is very special about it it is also special that we train young people to go and work anywhere in the water sector this is in government water utilities and all sorts of corporations that deal with water but also we follow on for skills refreshing and professional development so that is very special I think it is the network the putting together of different minds at different scales it has been said around here before okay so there is like cooperation integration within the region creating a network I used to believe that the organization has not been running without challenges so can you just highlight some of the major challenges that the organization has faced for the past two decades of course the obvious one that everybody knows is the funding we a donor run institution we depend on donors from I have talked about the Netherlands government we have EU donating and so forth and so on so sustainability is an issue for waternet and we are constantly working around how we are going to sustain the institution beyond donor funding I think the director here from the Ministry of funding was very clear now that donor money is not going to increase from anywhere and therefore we should be innovative in trying to find ways and new avenues of funding our programs I know without you saying everybody knows that funding is always a challenge to running organizations but I used to believe that there are some other challenges that we can say that are local to the region what are some of the challenges because I know it's a network of close to more than 15 institutions so what are the challenges like running a regional concept that is involving like four or five countries apart from fund can you just highlight them yes I think integration is something that takes time it also takes trust knowing that while I'm part of a bigger vision my own vision as well will be pushed so we have a lot of members that are coming in of course to contribute to the vision of Waternet but they also have their own vision that they would like to push but also the other thing that we've been struggling with is constantly changing relevance where situations are changing in different countries and therefore you try to be relevant for all your members so also innovating around being relevant and therefore being able to harness support locally has been one of the challenges that we've heard you made a very one of your point is innovating because of the problems are changing maybe as a result of climate and other things or as a result of policies maybe instability and others and also the other challenge that we've heard is just in the whole concept of integration we have found it to be a very costly concept I'll give you an example our MSC its structure our MSC in integrated water source management its structure is a very costly structure because we want to continue to understand the region we want to produce a product that understands the region and is able to contribute and therefore we have two universities offering the core course but then we have four other universities offering specializations within the same course so we have our students actually having to travel the region before they can acquire their MSC in order for them to understand water issues in the region and therefore we found that integration is not cheap both in time and in funding okay good good um for the past like yeah it's almost the organization is on for like 17 years now so how have you been measuring your impact over the region in the respective countries okay like like I said we are trying to balance academic work as well as practice in terms of water innovation and solutions and therefore we have a lot of academics in the network so the first impact that we measure is with the quantity and quality of our publications we have a special issue whose impact has been has been growing impact factor has been growing so we are looking at that as well and then also the interest in our yearly symposia which has also grown and therefore we monitor that over over the years there the symposia has grown from strength to strength and uh of all our programs it is probably the earliest one which is going to mature from needing donor funding because participants and members are able to fund themselves we also have heard a tracer survey for our alumni just recently where we have asked the question where do they go what do they do what's their influence when they're out there is the employer happy with our product we have also looked at that and got quite positive results we have about more than 500 alumni throughout the whole region and happy to say that most of them are still in the region working in ministries and in all sorts of water institutions in the region and then also the changing rhetoric we have realized that colleagues and from government and from academia are now warming towards other sectors being able to participate and find solutions together so those are the ways in which we have been trying to measure our impact yeah I think your last point is very clear is training professionals for the region that so there is no brand-ren expats don't travel out because they are trained and they work in the region contributing to his development that's good so you also talked about fund that you were talking about a little bit we talked about things like sustainability not just in the solution but also in the funding how the organization is being structured how it runs yeah we've talked about doing organizations like how the NIDO and the rest of them so how can this impact be sustained or how are you trying to even strengthen them maybe trying to move the organization towards sustainability being able to fund its own master's program and other research activities as I said the network started as a donor-sponsored project of cooperation between NISCO ICHE then and some Southern African institutions and then it was sort of handed over to the local but still continuing with the donor funding and I think that having moved from having a lot of donor funding and then moving to pretty much only one major donor right now and you know different small donors the era of major donors is gone and therefore I think strong regional ownership is what is going to assist in looking at the different funding sources within the region from private sector from I think pension funds were mentioned here and then strong Sadec support which we are actually gradually receiving we have recently become a Sadec subsidiary for capacity development in water and therefore all the Sadec capacity development initiatives and programs are implemented through Waternet so that's been quite some support and it's only just taking off. The other thing is strong Sadec support we are constantly seeking support from the states who as of last year have committed to sponsor especially our MSc program through their scholarships for them to sponsor students who are taking the program but then this program requires I mean this sponsorship especially from states, requires to constantly innovate in becoming relevant to what is important to them to the issues that are important to them to the solutions that the different states need so those are the kind of things that we are working on so we are on a continual state of renewal in order to be relevant to states in order to have state supporters. That's interesting Waternet recently you were appointed as the chairperson in 2014 and for such a big organization having a woman to become the chairperson is an example to all big organizations as it relates to water management roles so how can other organizations maybe we can use IHE there as an example maybe for instance we also have to have a woman as a rector of IHE possible yeah so how can we have how can we have big organizations in the water sector encourage more women to become involved in inflation water management positions yeah I truly hope that I was not elected because I'm a woman I yeah thank you nice thanks I hope I was elected because of the recognition of my contribution that I can contribute to the vision of Waternet but I do know what you are saying I am a woman and I am not an engineer so when I was elected in my acceptance speech I promise them that it is going to be fresh because I am neither a man nor an engineer and Waternet was for a long time dominated by engineers so those two things are important but I'm hoping that I can contribute to the vision of Waternet and I'm hoping that that was recognized and therefore I feel that women and any other person should be recognized for their contribution in their own right and their strength in their own right and not because they are women I hope they won't be there will be a time when a woman is in a position like the one I hold will not be asked that question okay nice but then I also hope that the young ladies out there will see me and other women in certain positions and know that they can good yeah I will make few points based on this last question you answered one is very important of women like you provide role models for the upcoming women but it's also on the other side it's also very important for also the young women to show that they have something to deliver not just because you are asking for gender equality that's also my personal view anyway you understand so if we say yeah a woman should very good but and then what you have to deliver something you understand yeah so then the other point too is the other point is I like the perspective you talked about you don't have a technical background but you're coming from the policy aspect today we've talked about things like the social dimensions of our technical solutions so you bring you compliment what the technical people do not have so it's around peck in around hole for me it's it's fitting you understand so I think you fit the view so we can give a round of applause again the next question is what are your thoughts on the role of youth involvement in creating and sustaining impact in the water sector in Africa and the world at large okay yeah thank you for that question it's good I had a young person interviewing me but again I think you know every person or group of persons are unique and have a unique perspective and are essential as the part of the whole and I think that our youth are special in that they are a part of today and a part of tomorrow they are a part of today because they have a fresh perspective but also they have energy but then if we harness that energy and fresh perspective properly then we have them tomorrow as people with experience and wisdom and I don't think you can beat that yeah I would really like to compliment what she said on the youth involvement I'm speaking for the youth I'm a youth it's also very important I'm also part of the Water Youth Network we talk about youth advocacy in water solutions in being involved in creating solutions you know just like the story one of the panelist talked about Amanda was able to rally around people you cannot have young people old people jumping into the water to look for a pipe you need the drive you need the energy of the youth not just the youth but the youth that have been trained of course IHE has been doing a very good job training mid-career professionals these ones are equipped but most of the times what we find out is during policy making they are not included you need to hear if you are creating solutions what do they think just like we were talking about collective learning the solutions you're making for people how do they see it can these things be passed across who are those that can reinvent and transfer this to other people so I just think that youths are very very very important in helping to provide solutions to water problems so one last question before we wrap up the session is a lot have been talked about on collective learning we find out that as one of the panelist talked about that collective learning is not a novelty it's not like a science that was just developed it's not like a science that is practiced locally so my question is how can we build this collective learning into our capacity development not making it too academic or scientific so that people can know that through collective learning there are some solutions you don't need rocket science to provide solution to some problems well I think that by leveling the platform of collective learning in very theoretical ways where we don't create an environment for everyone to be able to actually contribute I remember there was a talk I think it's from the lady who's from Oxfam saying that I haven't heard anything about power and politics if we have had projects many of them let me take Africa for an example where we get donor money to go and support implementation of a particular project and that donor money comes supporting the already powerful that I think continues to skill the platform and therefore core learning that's not an environment for core learning to work I think there are unusual suspects there who need for us to go there and support them in order for their voice to hear there is a lot of innovation that had already been taking a place out there with these entities that we sometimes go to work with and think we are bringing knowledge but they have their own knowledge and therefore if we are serious about core learning we need to create a platform where even themselves in their language in their own way can contribute into it so if we come with methodologies and methods that only suit us in academia and they are not able to come in then I don't see how core learning can take place so if you are serious about it the platform has to be leveled and we need to take place ladies and gentlemen that's Max the end of this interview thank you thank you very much Judy and Dr. Margolis there is so much to learn from the experience and the commitment over a 15-17 year period in the creation and continuing development of waternet so I hope that that will and some critical points were raised in your interview and your discussion I hope some of you have made some notes and will bring some of these points back into our discussion at the end of the day but continuing on we at UNESCO IHE of course in cooperation with our partners have been looking to the future and over the past few years as the world also is in this moment of transition towards Agenda 2030 and realignment of other global programs of innovation and scientific pursuit of difficult answers to questions like climate change we've been looking at our position and role in that changing world as well so to share the current thinking and approach that we have at IHE DOF I'd like to invite professor Charlotte de Friture to the stage Charlotte is professor of land and water development and also the head of the water science and engineering department and has been taking on many important roles like this within the institution helping to clarify that road forward into the future so Charlotte the stage is yours Alright Excellencies ladies and gentlemen good afternoon many things have already been set and I hope that I can link a few of my words and the themes you will see coming back in my address we've been talking about water problems as we all know water problems are very complex and some people would even call them wicked what that means is that they are interconnected there's always an upstream and downstream there are many stakeholders there's many conflicting interests it is indeed a contested resource we like to talk about win-win solutions but the reality is there's quite often winners and losers proposed solutions quite often cause their own set of problems like well green hydropower may be a very green source but dams of course can also cause all kinds of social and environmental disruption so there's always a but to the solutions so addressing water problems is seldom straightforward and with increasing climate change increasing population increasing pressure on the resources those problems are not going to get any easier rather they probably get a little bit more wicked so this addressing the future water issues they actually require a kind of new professional just technical engineering skills they just it's not sufficient it's not enough so you will need people with the disciplinary skills but also they will need to work in teams in multidisciplinary teams so they also need to understand other disciplines so I was in a conference last year in Iran and there the term specialized integrators was coined so that means that yes people have to be integrators but they of course also need their own solid disciplinary background so they're specialists in the field but they'll also be able to communicate with other people in the field we've been talking about individuals but of course also the in the future water problems also need a better equipped water related organizations the water sector institutions so that they can also handle those interconnected and wicked water problems so if you have separate ministries for energy agriculture environment and they work in silos then of course that's not very conducive to address integrated water problems so for example river basins authorities they need to work with conflicting interests quite often international, transnational and also they need to handle a lot of uncertainty because well we think we know a lot about water but there's of course still a lot of uncertainty particularly going into the future and also that is the landscape is also changing so in short we need water professionals and water institutes who are better equipped to address our future water problems and that is actually in my view the core business of IHE Delft so let me remind you of the the title of our strategy equipping people and organizations to solve water and development challenges worldwide contributing to the UN sustainable development goals that is our strategy for 2015 and 2020 so there's many water institutes there's many institutes working on sustainable development goals but I think UNESCO, sorry IHE Delft I'm not quite used to it yet IHE Delft takes a unique position in this so all our participants are usually mid-career professionals and they're working in water sector organizations in developing countries in transitions so we are really international as you may have understood however we are still embedded firmly in the Dutch water sector and university system so our capacity development activities are geared towards processes and so we strive to contribute to the sustainable development goals we had a discussion last week or two weeks ago and some people said well these STGs they are so broad they are too broad actually they are political they are imposing goals on other countries and I think those are very valid criticisms and valid we may want to look to other agendas as well however as was already being said STGs are also a good framework that has been a legitimate process a long legitimate process has gone into it so for now the strategy we say we contribute to the STGs so how do we do that and the slide is already up so we have three core activities education research and institutional strengthening and these three activities they form the core of what is UNESCO IG at the moment and these three activities they all contribute to capacity development and I took a definition from UNDP there's many definitions of capacity development but key words here are transformations that empower individuals, leaders organizations and societies so it's not just about the individual it's also about the institution and ultimately also about the enabling environment and I've heard already quite some views on this and I think this is a nice discussion point as well on where we as UNESCO sorry should be I think I get a little bit in trouble after this talk so education we heard that we started 60 years ago basically as an education institute with diploma courses now we have four accredited master courses master programs we have tailor made trainings diploma courses for professionals more and more moving into blended learning that is face to face and online education and it's very important to know that teaching is firmly linked to practice so it's not just a theoretical knowledge it's always linked to practical applications so research we have well over 100 different research projects and they are funded by a range of donors and governments we have about 130 PhD and a few dozen postdocs who are critical essential at the core of our research research is applied we don't do fundamental research much it's all applied and that makes us also a little bit different from universities institutional strengthening our third element I would like to argue that we don't do enough as yet we implement projects with the water sector organizations and universities to strengthen their institutional capacities sometimes we do capacity needs assessment curriculum development, strategic planning and strategic basic planning, peer to peer learning we also do some interesting work on city to city learning training for trainers and leadership training so we do quite a bit of institutional strengthening the next slide yes there it is however we could do more by better integrating the research education and institutional strengthening we are working on it very hard as I said water problems are complex and a single discipline just doesn't is not able to address those complex problems so to be effective in addressing those water problems bring about the needed change in knowledge personal skills, mindsets and institutions we need a much much bigger, greater integration now integration is not something that happens it doesn't come easily it really requires work people tend to work in their own disciplines with their own like-minded people and it's hard work to get this integration about so I think this is something that in the future we really have to work hard on how to integrate research education, institutional strengthening better there are examples, we do it our master students are working on research projects PhDs contribute to research our research of course is immediately integrated in our education etc we use case studies from our projects in our teaching so yes there is a lot of overlap there or a lot of integration but still a lot can be done more the big question as well also is how do we measure impact and I think this is an issue where many institutions are struggling with we are not the only one so we like to claim that we make a lot of impact we have 15,000 alumni some of those alumni are working or are well positioned to bring about change but it's difficult to actually really bring evidence for our impact so of course you can use the quantitative indicators like so many publications so many alumni so many numbers of policies assessed but one can really serious question is that indeed is that a good proxy for impact there is a big difference between acquiring the knowledge and actually applying it and being able to apply it so it's not capacity development is much broader than just education it's geared not only to acquire knowledge and know how and also to the skills to generate knowledge but also how to apply it and also how to apply it for change for transformation then of course if you would like to evaluate and assess the impact of that that is much more difficult and that's not very easy to capture in numbers so more and more it is also realized also from different studies that just providing an advanced and critical education to people however important is not automatically leading to change so or sometimes I think we all know that you go to leadership training you have really a big boost but you come back to your own workplace again and it kind of drizzles out so it's just education is in itself not sufficient for bringing about that change so of course we do try to measure impact by anecdotes by stories by outcome mapping etc etc but in the future to show our relevance we really need to work on the way on how we measure our impact so the previous speaker and I add to his comments was talking about the changing landscape between now and 2030 let's say so there are some really big changes if we compare that I was looking at the pictures of the black and white pictures of the early days of UNESCO you see that there's quite a bit has been changed not only in the student population but also the technologies that they used so you saw this planning you saw a wall full of papers and crosses etc etc so nowadays the communication technology has really drastically changed of course and of course much more is online and that also kind of creates a lot of new technologies but also challenges access to knowledge has really definitely increased I mean just Google it and sometimes when I teaching I do actually say to my the audience that question just Google it and you go to YouTube movies you see a lot of instruction movies you go to YouTube a lot of instruction movies there's the MOOCs etc but of course that also requires different skills the quality of that knowledge is it useful is it not useful so the other change that we have seen is that in our target countries in developing countries in transition the number and the quality of universities is also rapidly increasing also TU Delft, Wageningen and all other universities are now providing international students or international water programs so there's more competition in that sense so the more reason to be unique or at least to keep our uniqueness alive so not only the demand and supply equations are changing but also the partner landscape is changing we already heard about the finance that the aid is not going to increase so we need to find new models of financing and what you see is that we get more and more self-payers self-payers means that their governments or their companies that they're working for that so if I could choose a picture I didn't know that I could I wouldn't choose a cow but I would choose a windmill that's not because I'm Dutch although but there is a Chinese saying and I use this quote actually quite a few times it says when the wind changes direction those who build walls and those who build windmills and I was just thinking with myself maybe this is a very succinct way of making a difference between the Dutch and the American approach so rather and the funny thing is it's a quote that I've been using already quite a few times in the recent light it's actually more relevant than ever so rather than sticking to the old IG Delft has to deploy the opportunities that the new winds are bringing so getting back to the future role of IG Delft in a changing landscape equipping people and organizations to solve water and development challenges worldwide and contributing to sustainable development goals will only gain in importance so I think this is a we will remain in the business of capacity development education so at the individual level remains a core area but there's two key terms that need to change flexibility and diversity and already we heard it quite a few times in the discussions that our education is quite costly 18 months MSC is not for everyone increasing that from 200,000 is probably difficult cost wise but also time wise resources wise so we need to diversify our way, our modalities of flexible training, different target groups so we are working on a one year MSC we are working on online blended learning double degrees etc so there's many different modalities to bring those the education also the content we really need to look at while the disciplinary knowledge remains crucial we also need to pay more attention to the so called transferable skills so there's leadership, critical thinking coping with uncertainty facilitating change etc, learning skills life learning learning etc those are all kind of the content that also we need to work, we keep on continue working on research remains problem oriented but innovation is an important element there it should also I mean more driven by mutual learning research now is still determined by too much determined by us there should be much more of a mutual agenda setting in research as well and institutional strengthening as I said we need to do much much more in this area in my opinion so I particularly like a suggestion here to work long time the longer term say with water utilities making needs assessments and of course education can be part of that and this should be part of that but it's not the only element of capacity development so it's about changing mindset not just in the individuals but also in the organizations that people are working so lastly and I see that it's already zero it's already screen doesn't already goes to sleep so and of course the tea break is coming so lastly I think we cannot do this on our own of course we rely very much on our partners for their ideas on how best to fulfill this mandate the co-creation strategies etc and of course also for the resources that we depending on there are still many many questions and a lot of those questions already came up during the discussion how could we expand our reach our theory of scale I think that's a very important question should we just look at the number of MSC should we kind of try to find another leverage point how do we best link what the sector and the Dutch universities are we competitors or can we fill in that partnership to make it productive for both of us and of course does our business model is that still feasible we already heard about the changing elements in the finance and the financing landscape and of course last but not least I think the remaining question is how can we measure our impact how can we beyond go beyond of the quantitative quantitative indicators so as I said we are not operating in isolation we would like to invite all our partners many of whom are represented here in the audience and of course all our staff to think with us on how we can best continue to fulfill the course worthy course in a changing landscape thank you very much Charlotte thank you very much for providing that perspective from the institution so that you have a sense for some of the needs the important issues for the future that we are aware of and that we are reflecting on ourselves but it has been an extraordinarily rich day of ideas of debate of challenging and provocative statements we appreciate it all we have recorded it all and we are going to tea break we are going to return and we are going to enter into the final period where we have invited a diverse panel many of whom have not spoken yet but they have been present they have been observing and developing their own perspective I hope for where this institute should head into the future so we will return I will invite those panel members on stage to share their reflections on the future of IHE and then we will pull out the boxes and we will turn it back over to you and we will welcome your perspectives as well as you can see we are incredibly responsive to the community that we are a part of and that we serve your recommendations and your points will be taken very seriously and built into this process so let's break now I suggest that we try to return at 10 until the hour so we are running a little bit late but not terribly late so let's use this period to prime yourself maybe you know discuss some of the points you would like to raise and we will come back and share them in a final session welcome back everyone so we have reached the moment of final reflection in the program itself we are going to conclude the program with a one hour session again with some invited panelists and an opportunity to hear from you and the purpose is just to digest, to reflect upon and to share some of the key points that have come out of the day with all that you have heard and all that you have been discussing on your own in the tea breaks and at lunch and the like again with inviting you will see some new faces on the stage I will be introducing them one by one as I invite them to share their perspectives and then we will conclude with this part of the program we have a little surprise for you at the end and then we will move to some final words by our business director and eventually a closing of the session today well I would like to begin with Maria Luisa Sangile Maria Luisa is an associate professor of chemistry at the University of Science and Technology of the Southern Philippines also a very engaged PhD fellow here at UNESCO at IHE Delft goodness also the chair of our PhD association so playing a very important role also supporting and speaking on behalf of colleagues in the PhD fellowship program so Maria Luisa I would like to invite you to share your reflections first with us Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen actually my reflection on this impact is that I think each and every one of us here have an impact on the society that we're in it depends on the role that you play it also it depends on how you take the challenges and opportunity given to you you could either grab it or just simply ignore it for me just like Micah said I am an associate professor of chemistry in my country so I'm in the university, in the state university I'm in, my hands are all full with the four areas of university areas like academics research, extension and production but something changed my mind in the 16th of December 2011, my home city was hit by flood it was catastrophic and it killed 1,500 people more than a thousand missing and more than a thousand injured the communities along the river were affected the whole community was washed out and it was so high it was 7 to 9 meters high and I said to myself I have to do something I take the challenge and I decided to do a water education I decided to leave chemistry a little bit I wanted to do a water education and I have only one thing in mind for me to get the best water education I have to go to UNESCO that was in 2012 here in the Netherlands it's IHG Delft now now when I was here in Miami scene 2012 I was interacting and meeting a lot of multicultural classmates and friends and discussing issues with my international professors in the different fields of water I realized that I should learn more and for me to learn more is to do a PhD in chemistry I need that to learn more even if you gain more you see you need something more ok now why is it that I have to do a PhD in chemistry I mean instead of going a PhD in chemistry I do a PhD in water education it is because this is what my country needs my country is in the Philippines and we experience an average of 20 typhoon a year and with a PhD in water of course I can be my impact would be after graduation of course I will do consultancy in more in water quality especially in the field of water quality in surface water and flood especially in the health implication of pesticide if unused or overused I will be more specializing on the agriculture side which is the pesticide contamination with overuse and also an urban flood now of course I would still love to do what I love most teaching because for me teaching I would have greater audience I will be teaching graduate students who are also in the water sector and the under graduate students who will be future water professionals and environmental professionals so I would say I would have a bigger audience I think my principle in life is that knowledge earned and kept is nothing knowledge shared is something maybe to have a greater impact in the water education I have in mind is work the talk and do the talk thank you thank you very much I can already see that you are one of those persons worth investing in in the model of impact through individuals because you just stated your dedication to return home and create those ripple effects that will emanate from your own studies and I was also impressed how you indicated that in coming here you had already made a selection about what are some of the priority needs of your country and built a program of education to meet those needs exactly and I don't know how often we recognize those critical decisions that are made by the participants coming here at the PhD level, at the masters level always working in the back of your mind and others I can see that measuring of what is most important you know what knowledge should I be bringing home so thank you for sharing that with us thank you also thank you so much so Arnaud Molinaar the chief resilience officer of the city of Rotterdam you were also responsible for the Rotterdam urban water management and the water plan 2, is that correct and you're also manager of the ambitious Rotterdam climate proof program so a partner, a local partner of IHE Delft with what you've heard today what are some of the reflections you'd like to share well first of all maybe to say something about the word resilience I feel the connection also with respect to the future of IHE because that's something that I can say is a new part of the development and as a person I started to work on climate adaptation climate resilience but now I'm responsible for resiliency from the broader perspective so it's also about social resiliency even about cyber resilience and this is becoming more and more important and that's also what the previous speaker said that we are living in a complex world with a lot of transitions that are happening at the same time and these transitions they are disruptive as we call them sometimes they go with stresses or shocks and it's becoming especially for cities and the citizens more and more important to become resilient to these topics and then I'm talking about climate change about digitalization about energy transition which is becoming crucial but also the change of the governance because the local governments have a specific role of course but the citizens are also organizing themselves and we asked ourselves in Rotterdam which governance do we need to become a resilient city and I think there are a lot of crossovers between those topics so looking at the future perspective of IHE I think it becomes more and more important for students to have this integrated look and to find out what are the crossovers between social resilience and water resilience for example and again when I look at the city of Rotterdam we cannot become a climate resilient city without the involvement of the citizens and that's something that counts for I think every city. Wonderful and so a model for learning for our participants in the cooperation with you but also the opportunity to bring in different perspectives as some of the largest challenges that the city is looking to in the years to come. Thank you for kicking off with those remarks. Nasser Almanasser Nasser is working in the Department of Civil Engineering at Albalca Applied University in Jordan and is a steering committee member for several projects in the Jordanian Ministry of Water and Irrigation and the Jordanian Ministry of Environment. We also are very proud to count Nasser among the alumni of UNESCO IHE of IHE Delft and we're also very appreciative of the role that you serve as the Middle East Regional Representative for the committee that's guiding our programmatic cooperation with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands. So Nasser may I invite you to share your remarks. Thank you very much and thank you everybody for being here especially at this late time and pardon me because I had too much food on lunch. I was away from the Netherlands for a while so I wanted to try everything in the buffet so I ended up sleepy a little bit so thank you very much thank you IHE Delft I said IHE Delft because I graduated when it was really IHE Delft so it's natural and I don't really I'm not going to claim a new certificate because I have the old logo so I'm fine Yes actually I graduated here in 2000 and it was a decent start for my career my bachelor was in Egypt a very different experience and when I came to Holland it was a culture shock for me from that part of the world around that time it was really a culture shock for me and I struggled for the first two months then I got to it and I handled it very well and that experience actually shaped my life I'm not going to talk much about this because it's obvious this is the story of almost every alumni and I got my PhD in the North Carolina State University and it was so easy for me to get admission just because I was graduated here and they said this to me very clearly they are willing to give me a scholarship and I did it and thank you again and again and again so now I'm teaching at the university I'm running a number of projects and my profession became working on international projects in innovation in water management and having this nice experience helped me be very willing to work in several areas I'm not afraid of working with the climate with water management, with waste water and so on so actually I'm trying to help IHE Delft by bridging their projects in the region building synergies among these projects and more importantly building synergies between IHE Delft projects and other projects by other donors and so far we are doing good and I'm happy that IHE Delft is going back to the region and they're going strong actually so their reputation is very well known and it's a fine reputation I just want to emphasize an point that IHE Delft not only produce fine professors to teach at universities in my region but also they produce professionals who can work for the government for water utilities and this is something I think it is unique because universities in Jordan and Palestine in the region in general they send students to the United States to UK to all fine universities to be professors at the universities when I walk into the ministry of water and irrigation in Jordan I find seven or eight IHE Delft alumni they are leaders and they are not only leaders because they got the knowledge but they also get the personality the mentality is totally different they cooperate with me very quickly they help me running my projects because they got that mentality so a lot of things IHE Delft provided and we can talk about this for the whole night let's find it for now, thank you all right, thank you very much all right, Dr. Kelly like it Kelly you are a postdoctoral researcher at the impact center at Erasmus University in Rotterdam you conduct impact evaluations in Bangladesh, Malawi and the Netherlands but you spend most of your time on projects that aim to valorize lessons from rigorous impact evaluations to policy makers and other decision makers who are a person that's coming to know IHE now we haven't had a long relationship before so we'd love to hear your perspective on what you've heard today and what you'd like to share thanks, yeah, no it's great being here I feel like I am indeed in a family with all sorts of exceptional family members but I also feel this family has a bit of a problem but at least you recognize the problem so that's great Uberd, which is a verb now or Airbnb so you're the taxi and there's the Uber so what do you do that seems to be the question at hand my first observation is that my prediction is that you're going to be okay being Uberd because you don't depart from the defense mechanism to ask how can I ensure my existence if you do that you are going to be Uberd and you fundamentally want to reflect with all of us so this has been the best family dinner ever you fundamentally want to reflect who you want to be in this space and I think one of the things that is scary is to say oh this is what I already do I do research, I do students and you ask how can I do more of it or how can I do it in a better more innovative way also online or also this but the essential reflection is that it's really asking who do I want to be in this space of new challenges and new players so I had to think today a lot about Warren Buffett who's probably not very popular in this room but the reason that I had to think about Warren Buffett is because he says the difference between successful and very successful people is that very successful people say no to almost everything and that is something I would like you to think about and there's a second thing that Buffett does he asks people to pay $50,000 to have lunch with him and you don't sit alone with him for lunch but with nine other people so if the ministry wants to have lunch with the IHE what do they pay? I wonder so why do people pay for lunch with Buffett and this is something that I was thinking about and it's kind of a recommendation for you is to wonder what is your value and who's going to pay for it to me it seems we're dealing with a public good here and I'm an economist so we have this phrase of there's no such thing as a free lunch so don't have people to have free lunch with you we're talking about shrinking budgets but why are those budgets going to implementers instead of knowledge creators if all of us are recognizing that there is a lack of knowledge we have to wonder who's going to pay for the lunch we talked about businesses and pension funds and impact investors and I've heard this in the past two years that I in the wash field trying to understand this field which has been very hard and very wicked indeed but it seems you know the donors are the type of players who are best to pay for the free lunch we have a free rider problem and who's going to solve that and the impact investors can pay for the programs that implementers something where there are business models and we can gain from it so these are my observations so first of all know what to say no to and second of all make sure that you're not selling free lunch all the time because your advice is really worth something thank you very much that's a fresh perspective alright Lapo and Charlotte you were speaking earlier you had an opportunity to express some of your views but upon hearing some of the remarks here and continuing to think about it would you like to add any words yeah well not much but at Waternet we are now moving into phase 4 we're going to implement what we call phase 4 we operate in phases where we stop, reflect and recreate ourselves so now we are calling it co-creating knowledge and capacity for innovation in water development solutions and I think we've decided to take a lazy view where we don't have the responsibility to do everything and I think that's a safe place to be where you say I don't know everything I can't do everything I can't pay for everything so you know I'm going to have players so that is where we are at my best line as you can imagine in all that has been said here is none of us can do it alone I think it was said first thing in the morning that was my best line because there is a best line that we have in the region that says in the water sector that says every river has its people and when we say that every river has its people we refer even to capacity development because capacity development has to be implemented you have to develop capacity and come up with a human resource that is not afraid of multiple stakeholders that is not afraid of multiple interests that is not afraid of complexity that is not afraid of competition that can embrace all that and I can see that UNESCO IHE is one of the strong institutions that we have IHE deft we are all getting used to it very late ok that we can learn from just in this room there is many of us with different perspectives with different strengths and we put all that together I'm sure and then we all contribute to us the lunch I think that is how we should do it is it the Dutch way? complicated alright so thank you very much and Charlotte any final reflections before we turn it over to the audience I'm thinking about free lunch I wonder how we can basically convince the donors to pay for our free lunch and I think it comes back to the impact the evidence of the impact that we can show yes we do make a difference I think I hear all this inspiring stories and also during the day about our alumni I think we can safely say that we do make an impact but the challenge of course is how do we show that convincingly so that people will join us for a paid lunch the other thing you said I really like that so not try to spread too thinly but rather focus on certain areas and I think that is really important it's also scary right you get projects, you get kind of activities people pay for it so why why would you say no to it but it also was mentioned earlier that if you really want to make an impact you have to focus and don't spread yourself thinly I think those are really some of our challenges ahead they are and it seems to really boil down to value it's really about creating value and of course that comes in many different forms but as we think about the future valorizing is something that's increasingly important for us any those of you that spoke a little earlier any last points that came up all year oh it sounds like it already I'm thinking about the free lunch can we eat something because I don't mind to share my knowledge as long as I give an impact to people it's okay for me for free lunch maybe it's so cultural Asian like Filipinos like us we can give free lunch as long as we have we bring the ideas across to people it's a culture thing I think this provocative statement unfolding like a flower there's a lot to see in the texture of it just on a measurement point I wanted to make a quick one I get about 300 emails a week from organizations asking if I can help them measure their impact 99% of the time they get a standard email back saying don't worry about measuring your impact worry about thinking about your impact when you create your strategy that's when you should be worrying about your impact just having a lot of it making those difficult choices of what to do and what not to do because it's becoming this counting exercise with usually okay indicators and very very floppy data that is not really helping anyone so if I was your funder and I happen to advise many funders so maybe indirectly I'm somewhere in between you and your funder I would find you not based on counting your students nor having this amazing way in your qualitative impact but I would fund you based on your strategy on your vision of how relative to what other people in the world are doing you are truly finding that space where your unique skills and resources are adding maximum value okay thank you Arna I already mentioned the word resilience but I'm also working for a city and that's what I'm going to say is also related to the free lunch I'm really noticing that in this complex world there are a lot of challenges coming together in cities and we all know that urbanization is going on and on and this complexity is especially there in the cities now I happen to be the chief resilience officer from the city of Rotterdam but there are also 99 other cities related to the network of 100 resilient cities maybe we can find out and mobilize the other chief resilience officers to convince the knowledge institutes and to mobilize the students in their cities to come to IHE Delft to follow a training and a course because what they bring back to the cities is really adding value I think they are really bringing back leadership thank you thanks for referring to that network as well because when Heather had her point and question earlier about the different scales of intervention whether it's all about at the individual scale and then seeing the effect ripple out or do you come in at higher scales networks such as the resilience cities network LAPA when you were describing Waternet I also saw that as a way in which in cooperation we're coming in at different levels those individuals are being trained and the network of institutions that are all benefitting from this interaction within the projects and other activities is entering at a different scale so it does seem to be possible with a bit of creative design to just be having that impact at multiple scales and filling it in with a lot of partners and a lot of luck on our side going forward but having the strategy the forward looking and that very value focused and provide thank you very much you guys can't see the clock but I can see the clock and it suggests that we're ending this panel portion a little bit early which I'm happy about because it opens up more time to hear from the audience especially those of you who have been patient so we have the microphone boxes again so who would like to begin with sharing their perspective and we asked if maybe the lights in the house can be brought up and maybe the lights on the a little bit of equalizing the lights because we have a very difficult time seeing the audience so we might hit somebody the wrong person with our throws I think it just works automatically give it a try it's not working automatically yet so what are your thoughts about the open access model actually based on what Irene was saying before I had this metaphor we came to evidence based medicine so we started as quacks we had the patient and the doctor and the doctor knew everything and now you're talking about the type of education here and it seems you found this three circles of evidence based medicine which is the patient so the context the beneficiary, the customer the doctor, the expert and then the external evidence and in that overlap space is what you actually want to have and it seems that with your students you're doing this excellent job I mean compared to the Rasmus University or our economics like this we're just one circle, right you're doing amazing but then the question was how to do that at scale and what's your theory of doing that at scale and one of my key words was actually open source open access of doing that at scale but then I think there also and I hope Irene's going to say something about this is that you have to find also that intended user just throwing things open source but the people who are making the decisions who we want to influence are actually not using those knowledge platforms, right so we need to find a way to connect that and I don't know how so yes open source but also demand for that evidence but then how do you bring that together that seems to be one of your tasks thank you hello it's working I love this catch box notion I want one can I trade it for an apron no I was going to comment a little bit on this but I guess I had a comment also a question to push back a bit on this free lunch business so we get money at Oxfam from the public the public gives us money in order to give free lunches so I think you have a moral obligation to actually give that back so it's a cultural thing but it's also your duty having said that I do think that you can figure out funding strategies to get the creation of the lunches paid, right sounds a bit complicated but I'm trying to figure out ways in which you can get the database source and the knowledge generation perhaps funded but you then make it open access so what part of that thought process or that research process you make open rather than this notion of a free lunch so in Oxfam I've also become kind of de facto ahead of trying to figure out our thought leadership because I think that's an interesting word as well is where's the thought leadership and the practice leadership going and one of the things we're working with is this idea that you can have knowledge led thought leadership which is great but then you have to have ideas led thought leadership that comes from that so what does research suggest for the future I'm trying to think of a good example at the moment we're kind of challenging the notion of the growth economy and saying well we need the human economy so you can have a lot of knowledge that the knowledge base that gives you the evidence that a growth economy is bad for a lot of people actually but then you've got to generate an idea that can be inspiring that people then can rally around and do practice around and then you've got these opinions led thought leadership and I wonder how much you invest in that do you invest in people who can go out and repeat time and again the messages that need to be heard time and again so that slowly people are infused with new ideas and thoughts and they become the new norm so we're trying to figure out how we can take an idea an area where change has to happen and really infuse it with those three dimensions and it has to be user oriented because you've got to know who you're trying to to talk with so this notion of conversations at a lunch paid or not paid I think it's really important who do you invite to the table so that's sorry a bit of a long comment okay but thank you very much I don't know where the box the other box is at the moment is it in someone's hand we're... Jan Loewendeck, retired staff of UNESCO IHC a remark this morning Dr. Kassum from Bangladesh told us that a series of eight consecutive director general in the Warpa organization in Bangladesh were UNESCO IHC alumni I realized then at that moment that what we are actually doing we're doing education, we're doing research and something on capacity development with more on institutions and then thinking also back to 10 years ago when we had in the same room a discussion with many water leaders all over the world and there was that lady minister from Mozambique having discussed for one half hour the issue of to watch should we focus UNESCO IHC and how do we shape our future at the end she said well you know give me just one thousand leaders and I can solve all the water problems in Africa and then the representative of the Asia Development Bank said give me also one thousand and also the problems in Asia will be solved well of course this is not true but during the whole conversation that we had this day in the morning and also in the afternoon the word leadership has been mentioned so many times and I think looking forward to the next 10 years or 15 years we become equal in age with Oxfam organization so it is maybe a challenge for UNESCO IHC with this reputation to say we also want to guide and support and strengthen the potential future water leaders because we know maybe 25-30% of our alumni will be or will become in leadership positions in the future and actually we hardly do anything for that and also if we like to combine it with a networking so being connected to the fields through these people the people who have in itself the potential to cut through complex issues and it is of course part it's in your genes but a lot of things you can also learn and this what I would think is a repeated message to UNESCO IHC for the coming 10 years invest in leadership development not only on ourselves there has been an idea we have made contact with the international water center in Brisbane we have good contacts with Neyero University who are of course better in real management and stewardship but in this combination I think we can do a lot for the present participants but also our 15,000 alumni who without any training just by age will be put in management and leadership positions and I think we can do something for them thank you so unless there's a reaction specifically from the panel and I invited if it's there I'd love to just keep getting as many inputs as possible from folks in the audience so thank you for your intervention who's got the box now who would like the box yes here in the front please where is the person you know this person thank you I'd like to supplement it's not Bangladesh my best friend was from Malaysia in my course was the director general of Malaysian irrigation and flood control department so it's not Bangladesh it's throughout the world the IAC alumni they will lead the world different countries in water sector and that's why IAC I think it's IAC has to concentrate on building the leadership and these people so that they become leaders and they take forward the sector now IAC this IAC must realize its must acknowledge its strength would you repeat that please acknowledge acknowledge yes thank you its strength and its strength is the center of I mentioned in the morning center of excellence of practicing professionals who create the world and who create the water sector at IAC the world knowledge on water sector one roof I don't know where there is this thing available this thing IAC has a great convening power in 10th in the 50th anniversary there were so many I mean departments not only from Netherlands also from outside today also there were representatives from different embassies so IAC has great convening power and IAC can and should utilize that make use of those IAC has network with professionals of 160 countries all over the world what a strength can be greater than this so with this strength I think IAC dealt by mistake I don't say IAC also you're from the IAC dealt IAC dealt needs to have needs to continue with the dream that it will continue its leadership in the changed paradigm how in details you will formulate later on now we are spelling out our ideas number two is IAC has to believe that we can do IAC can do we have the national and international resources of support all over the world each alumni in any country is an IAC ambassador in that country in the water sector believe it you should believe it and you should act on it and my other suggestions I have given in the morning I don't want to repeat thank you thank you very much so I heard there I heard a real call for added value each individual that is produced here with imbuing those leadership skills that are going to enable them to have a greater impact when they arrive home I heard taking advantage of the convening power of the institution and the networks and I believe that we have our own network and of course our relationship with UNESCO provides that global network so thank you very much I think that message of enriching the value of each graduate that comes from the institution is a clear one another point from the audience other hands here yes here just about got a haircut there thank you my name is Peter McCormick I'm with the Doha de Waterford Food Institute at the University of Nebraska a partner of IHE so I'm also an issue with names so I can understand the confusion over this this has been a really fascinating day we're here to actually renew our MOU with IHE and there's a few things that really struck me as quite as a recovering dairy farmer from a very early age I like the cow analogy I think we should emphasise the production of milk rather than the manure I think that's a more positive dimension of that and also I like the comments around the impact and the theory of change and the impact and this notion of focusing on the strategic dimension of impact I do think we've got to convince some of the donors around that issue because having just come out of the CGIR we've spent five years there really trying to tease that out and trying to measure impact it's a real rabbit hole we don't want to go down in many ways there's a lot of discussion around curiosity driven research and the role of the sort of the higher level academics and I think it's important to really shift that discussion demand driven is not a good term for this but certainly what are the issues we're trying to address and really engaging so this gets back to the analogy we had earlier and really trying to tease out what are the real issues we should be focusing on and I think much of the discussion today was really trending towards and I really encourage that emphasis the thing I like to say is we end up developing all these hammers looking for nails and we haven't spent any time defining what the nail is and really trying to work out what are we trying to solve in terms of problems finally I'm going to narrow down here and just an appeal to one thing I've observed over the years and I think it's very IHE has done very well in this space but it's also one thing in the CGIR as they went through some budget reductions and realizing the importance of the career paths of those young professionals from the south many of us who come from the north when things get rough in the development business we have other options with other options to move but the career paths where are the young professionals going and I think it really behooves this happened in the US around the reduction in budgets and the difficulties around universities but the universities need to be really thinking is where are the graduates going, how can we help them how can we make sure they have a career path and I think this is something it's not maybe a question to one or two of the panelists but how can we ensure that there are graduates of career paths, thank you thank you for your remarks any responses thank you we were taking it in oh yes I'm sorry that one you also so indeed the career paths are very important I think for IG Delft it's a slightly different question because most of the people here they already have a career their mid career and they taking some time off of their career to be here or to follow courses so it's a slight that doesn't still underlines the importance of seeing where the graduates are going but the question is slightly different because they are already entered into a career path or most of them at least and what we found with the waternet is that because it's an integrated program that runs from highly technical hydrology all the way down to society and water you find that they have a broad spectrum of career paths that they can draw from throughout that but also the network itself already by the time the students finish with the program they have met so many colleagues and have networked and therefore are able to carve their own career paths and what I talked about what I found with integrated programs is that they make the students bold and brave to step out of their own professions we found that some of them have comfortably left the water sector and are now on the periphery of the water sector than direct on the periphery on the water sector but if you are trained in a disciplinary subject like hydrology you kind of get stuck or some water engineer you kind of get stuck there but we find that an integrated program makes for a broad spectrum of career choices but also a bold product that can step out into even other industries thank you excellent remarks maybe I can answer because I'm a basic student when I had my other MSc here I already have a career I took another MSc which is water management because I want to enhance my technical skill I think that combining technical and managerial skill is my edge to get my message across to my country so coming here was really difficult for me because my university doesn't want me to do a PhD in water they want me to do more in chemistry and I said like no I go to water because water is applied chemistry so they let me go so I would say I find the challenging because if you do a PhD in chemistry you will be in the four walls of the laboratory if I do a water it will be more my ideas would be I would be more in a greater field so I would say I just I came here to enhance myself and I know that with a PhD in in water I would be dealing more in community related research which is related to water and I will capture a bigger audience and yeah thank you but I think you touched on an important topic and it's good that we're opening up the discussion about it it's about enriching, it's about broadening your career path but also Charlotte as you referred to a little bit the changing profile of participants that are coming to IHE I know that there are at least a couple of participants in the audience right now that are in the middle of a mid-career change and they've come to IHE as an opportunity to change directions and in an intense period of time of 18 months of dedication to really provide that foundation of knowledge and a few marks on their CV that may help them in that transition phase so it's wise for us to look at that carefully as we look to the future yes please I'm Girish Kulkarni, I come from India from Unity Consultants good evening everyone I've been following IHE for a while now and my cousin gets passed out tomorrow one of the things which I came across was primarily there is no IHE student ambassador program in each and every country yet each and every one when you talk about leadership and when you talk about getting out in the market and talking to the world how great IHE is and the kind of work IHE has been doing over a period of time they are your mobile water pieces they primarily are out there in each and every country trying to contribute and communicate the best that IHE knowledge today offers to the world so I would at this audience would want to put it across that how best can an initiative where IHE student ambassador program can be initiated who are your alumni already and how best they can reach out to universities institutes in their respective domains and speak out to them tell them how important it is important to come here take this experience synergize and compliment the growth in the interest of this the greener thought so I think how I would like to know if there is any way where this program can be initiated people can hand hold and there are a lot of deserving people back there who deserve to come here and learn a lot from here so how can that be judged thank you thank you for your question because we of course do consider our alumni network to be one of the greatest resources and also greatest contributions that we have made in the water sector and we haven't had a chance to say much about the current dynamic within our alumni network but it's quite good it can always be improved but are there any responses from the panelists to yes not that's a short comment last February you had a very nice gathering in Jordan the Dutch alumni and it was really a very decent meeting not only from the Dutch but from the entire Dutch community this is something they've been doing for a while now and it's a nice platform to exchange ideas and to get to know not only each other but also to know a lot about the Dutch educational system so this is something can be probably adapted and improved I don't know this is something IHEDalft can think about it and another comment regarding the first question I mean IHEDalft is not a classical institution who offer education at local level so the target group is diverse I mean when I say diverse the job market is we don't have much information about the job market we know about it maybe in Holland maybe in Jordan but your target group is I mean it is global so you don't really have much confident on the job market and or even the needs so what you do is you are trying to help I'm not worried about what should IHEDalft do in the future because they are doing very well actually they just need to continue what they are doing and they build on it yes there is a room for improvement but they are not facing a real challenge maybe they are facing some challenges I don't know I don't have the numbers but maybe financial resources or something but the concept the business model is there and it is working so it needs some supplementary interventions maybe from the government maybe from donors maybe this is something can be resolved you have a case you can convince people to pay for the for the plate you can convince them not too much at the beginning because yeah but I am also want to come back to this comment as you mentioned we have moral obligations so IHEDalft changed the face of many institutions around the globe so this is a rewarding it's not money it's not green but it is intangible rewarding impact so I think the challenge is the group the target group is diverse so we need to adapt a little bit and create tools to approach them and have some idea about the local conditions and I love very much the idea of having IHEDalft some extensions going there and offering courses there not necessarily here so this is something also can be done thank you you had a response we are in the very final minutes of our discussion panel so if there is someone that very strongly wants to make a point please briefly and definitely put your hand in the air and try to present it concisely okay we've got one more up there I will keep it short regarding the job market aspect I noticed that in my case a lot of cities even don't know what a question should be and what kind of knowledge they need and what kind of leadership they need so it's also important I think that IHEDalft is also capable of creating that market and therefore I think important not only to connect with other knowledge institutes but to connect with other networks for example the C40 city network of the order 100 resilient city network because we have to convince those cities that they need these water leaderships for the future thank you excellent points can I make a super tiny clarification on my free lunch metaphor and I think the cities should pay for this exactly so that was my point my point was government institutions should be paying for the lunch but the lunch is the alumni so what you are paying for is this amazing alumni network that is going to be in the world so my suggestion was not that you should make it wasn't such a one-on-one analog so it's not that you have to get IHED research to be very expensive or to be IHED alumni to be very expensive or the education itself no it's about public institutions taking responsibility for a piece of public infrastructure which is all these amazing resources that are influencing institutions around the world and furthering their own agenda so our agenda on the SCG as the Dutch government is further through your alumni so who's paying for that that was my free lunch metaphor I was going to say I understood here exactly like this for example we are making government states pay for the free lunch that they have been having they have had such impact a lot of our alumni go back to work for government and they are in higher positions in government and we are saying that donors have done that bit they can continue to do that bit but they need a partnership so states should pay for free lunch but it is something that is done within context and it depends on what you are doing you know there's culture, there's moral obligations there's also public good of it and education but who should pay it's somewhere in this model of trying to build how we are going to give this public good which is education and community this has been a very fruitful set of remarks and comments to wrap it up we have two final remarks and we'll start here with Guy and we'll have the final word in just a couple of minutes we have left my name is Guy Allard I'm the professor of knowledge and capacity development at the institute and of course I've been struggling also with the question of impact measurement or impact description and perhaps we are too much I feel we are too much self-centered when we always repeat that magical figure 15,000 alumni which is a very nice figure by the way but what does it mean against I don't know how many hundred thousands of professionals in the world so what is the added value or the comparative advantage of what the institute has contributed so I think also that you know I was very impressed by waternet so waternet is indeed also a spin-off of the institute and it has every year it produces graduated, it produces professionals and the institute also in the past has had these long-term engagements with Kumasi University in Ghana and with Birtzait University in Ramallah and with Universidad de Valle in Kali, Colombia and with Srivijaya in Indonesia with Nanjing University and Hohai University in Nanjing so there's all these you know waves that have been created and perhaps it's a suggestion we should look at how many professionals, graduates and all our smart people have been generated by these partners because I think it's not about IHE Delft it's about the global IHE community that is what matters and the second dimension is the quality and I would like to go back to what Charlotte also said is perhaps change management so to what extent do we help our participants to become change agents now that's very difficult to measure there's a political dimension to it but it may be possible to also qualify these soft skills that we convey to some of our participants so maybe we can put some metric there perhaps we could the institute could consider to pay a free lunch really to get advice on how to articulate this but this is perhaps a suggestion I don't know if anybody of the panel would have a comment on that I would again emphasize don't struggle too much in the measurement and I recognize the other gentleman also saying yeah but people are asking it from us but those people are asking the wrong question and I know that there's a power dynamic there because they're funding so you have to answer the question and I think you can also try to be bold and I really like the passion here next to me that was saying what are we questioning we're not being ubered you might think after today that we're being ubered because this conference is about being ubered but we're not being ubered we're awesome but then you want to express how awesome you are and you want to come with that agenda so I really think if you do that more strongly if you can show your donors that they need to fund this part of public infrastructure we don't have to go into them if you want to do it anyway do it in a way that you actually learn from it so it's not about accounting but it's about the question where can I improve how can I get data that's useful for me to improve but please don't go down the accountability train where it's like I'm not saying you were suggesting that but I know you're being pushed into that and I'd love to have a very very free lunch with you to think about that note of that alright a final a final word and then we'll move toward our closing hello I am Faisal from Bangladesh Water Development Board and I am also doing my Masters in Hydrology in IHE from the morning I am following this session and I am having lots of word about leaderships but what is actually leadership that is so far I know knowledge is power and power always leads to leaderships and in my 6 months in IHE I have seen IHE is giving lots of knowledge but those are actually little bit expensive knowledge the technology is those are very much expensive for developing our third world country I think but nowadays there are very many cheap tools in all over the world like there are many softwares there are many cheap tools that we can use for sustainable development in developing countries and also there are lots of local practice in every country that are actually very cheap but they are not actually so much in research so that cannot be developed in those countries but I think IHE should play a vital role to capture those technologies those local practice from all over the world and harness them and develop them so that developing countries can manage their problems with a very cheap cost and also if the IHE students have those tools in their countries then if a consultant firm ask for to use money to solve one problem then we can say no we have the cheaper solution and that is the leadership I think so I think I can have some comments from the panels that how we can actually make the knowledge cheaper also the technologies to the developing countries so that they can adapt and apply them for sustainable development the donor agency why we are always going to donor agency because they always try to purchase from them some expensive tools but I think it is now time to change our mind and also the education practice thank you thank you Faisal and Charlotte this refers a little bit to this information revolution that we're in in the world and the importance of taking advantage of that and bringing it into the programs at IHE do you have any final or additional words on that there's one element and of course there's a lot of opportunity to indeed make it more open more accessible more cheap there's I would give one remark though that there is of course a lot of value and we heard a lot of examples of that actually today of bringing people together and from different backgrounds from different countries and so and unfortunately that is of course a costly a costly say modality of teaching but I think it's still a very important element that people come together in person and that they can discuss and exchange and learn from each other and we were talking about collective learning or mutual learning and so and that unfortunately that is not the cheapest way but I think in the end that will also be paying off so I think there is a lot of opportunities to blend and to make it more cheaper indeed using those online tools and online learning but I think completely 100% online there are some drawbacks on that as well. Thank you for this comment from my experience I think Aichi Delft provided a different approach in some occasions for example they are running a capacity development program in the Middle East now in specifically in Jordan and I loved very much the approach it is not a classroom type of capacity development the target group are professionals from the Ministry of Water and Water sector so Aichi Delft staff designed the capacity development program to be three training courses for the same group the first one they explained to them the basics and the second one they follow up on the training and the third one is to make sure they know everything about this particular topic between the first and the second which is the first time I am doing now there is a six to eight months so after the first training every participant pick on a research problem that is related directly to his work and we found his research actually Aichi Delft said the DUP committee and then they work eight months on this research problem in their work space for example if it is a wastewater treatment plant then this engineer will do a six months research with guidance from us with funding from us improving his skills exercise and exercise and exercise and then the last round of the training to wrap up and to present his research and ideas and so on so this is a very simple nice approach on how to learn how to use what you already have so you are not asked to buy new technology expensive technology or whatever to solve your problem Aichi Delft can help you utilize your local resources and improve your performance as an individual also as a system so they help them to optimize the treatment for example and so on so this is a very decent example I am proud of it and there are many examples but I think the clock is already dead so thank you Nasa very much thank you for sharing that example because clearly this is a direction that we would like to move in more of well with that I would like to thank our panelists, thank you of course but let's thank the panelists and give them some aprons well I would like to just express an enormous amount of gratitude for spending the day for running late with us we have taken additional time but this is something that we do only once in a decade I mean this is a day where to miss any opportunity to hear from you and as I said that's been recorded and it will be internally become part of our process as we look toward the future thank you all panel members you can return to the audience so before the final closing you notice in your program that there's a surprise that's indicated and you might have noticed that Bart Kiers moved over to the piano as we were wrapping up with the panel Bart is a stand-up musician and he's been sitting quietly in the wings here during the afternoon listening to our discussion and he'd like to share his response to that now it's only seven pages but I will do it quick happy birthday happy impact in a changing landscape we like to say so let's celebrate and translate the lessons of today well Michael welcomes us back and introduces Flavia on screen congratulations IHE Institute from Reynolds in Water and have you been into the water box get out on your flagship conquer the sea making water management more visible challenge your head and you can make a difference and success with your next 60 years well thanks Flavia we will nut it in our students ears case Rade is director climate water food security and energy and natural sources and ambassador of 400 fares ministry well anyone questions the Netherlands yeah case in the house with main challenges climate forget Trump wise and house we have a lot of bridges to build please never retire work on the three teams for SDGs for a stable world to hire support minister Plumann developing the best strategy and that's sustainability using water efficiently in Africa at the East so the SDGs are essential well many lost damages must be adapted besides climate change there's money how do we get the money on the table well let's see pension funds bonds supporting water facilities and the tariffs mean the poorest must suffer so change the tariffs work on the challenges Delphia share your knowledge but see the future challenges focus on urban and stretch financing and sustainability share skills and capacity solve the growing water crisis and share with policy and develop the approach of learning be flexible in partnerships your science and alumni are keep on growing with your friends impact in a changing landscape well there's a lot to do so let's celebrate and please just inflate a sustainable boat for me and you well after a brilliant musical massage I felt quite well bringing Africa's future and water that two decades they tell La Polo Gang about the organization but what's special about it well it's a network training facility putting together and with donor funding they are searching for other possibilities and integration course times of a lot of divisions and relevance very difficult well in the Netherlands we are very good in integration maybe you should talk with Rata to get the job Gini Berlaks on his looks on his paper La Polo Gang 2 talking about strong ownership state support it will do and a woman in the board how is that possible well and how do we get more women in the water tell us now well stop asking that question and just wait till the man slowly stop engineering well then women will take over so will the youth with drive and energy so listen to them they have solutions and you will see creating a platform for everyone so much to learn and share the knowledge worldwide please concern so happy birthday in a changing landscape in every way let's integrate it's not too late for more water women every day well as charlotte IHC Delft the fritter the problems will get more wicked so you will need for sure not only engineering you need women integrate and feel better equipped equipping people worldwide so heal UNESCO IHC Delft sustainable development SDGs I finally know what it means at the end sustainable development goals and one of them is we are IHC Delft without UNESCO apply research education institutional strengthening we need more integration and that's difficult and hard working how do we measure impact well depends how much you claim IHC Delft has a lot of impact well so what's your name changes in people with technology much more is online just google it and you will find your challenges fall away the line and well choose a windmill not a cow the wind it is forget the America way the Netherlands here and is diversity flexibility content skills transferable just a few things to work on changing mindset show help us to survive changing landscapes continuing with the word it costs it's a first a little tea breaking well happy happy birthday happy impact in a changing landscape the Dutch way it lets celebrate and circulate your claim impact to play well reflection for the future with the panel and you Maria things all have impact yeah yeah maybe I feel it too to the challenges water education and choose the best IHC PHD a country meter teaching the rest are now to fire north watermen brother resiliency in a complex world handling transition for a living city Nazar from Jordan Middle East do UPC and had too much lunch and after his cup of tea after the culture shock he got his PHD thank you thank you thank you UNESCO Dr Kelly all in the family that's okay who do you want to be in this space Warren Buffett let's pay 50,000 for the lunch well nothing for free make sure you're not selling free lunches like me is co-creating knowledge and it's a lazy few no one of us can do it alone well that's not new going Dutch with Charlotte no more lunch for free we let them pay the impact starting today well and the Philippines will not stop giving free lunches so funding based on strategy not impact oh Kelly that's the name of today so what now more networking and more discussions somehow well let's hit somebody with the microphone which is turned off open access model open stores but it's always tough to find the right user of a free lunch to have paid and who do you invite to the table or is it already too late just give a thousand leaders in each country because we need more leaders IHC bring them to us practicing professionals combine power worldwide IHC can do must believe leading the ships alright cows and wind what are the real issues find your nail you've got enough hammers leave that carrying snail following the best career path and riding to participate as an HIG ambassador worldwide mission 8 you have a case really to let them pay for the blade creating market for well paid lunch from the state it's about the global community get the right questions in and stop counting start lunching there's a water world to win so happy birthday happy impact in a changing lunch came with lunch for free just celebrate and get them paid because water will bring you chemistry happy birthday happy happy impact in a changing landscape we like to say let's celebrate and translate the lessons we learned today somebody was listening huh well fantastic so now I'd like to invite Johan van Dijk our business director on stage to provide a final few words and then we can all move out into the reception and even more amazing things to see so what should I say now after this amazing performance I think I just lie down on the couch and take a nap your excellencies ladies and gentlemen although we have been on the way already quite deep into the program also my part I would like to welcome you to Delft and also thank you for your presence here today with us celebrating the sixth anniversary first of all I think it's my task also to thank you for the fifth discussion all the issues you brought up the remarks the comments the hints that you gave us it has been mentioned already dozens of times we are recording this that means the interaction with the audience and also what happened here on stage and the purpose is of course to learn from it because we are still further developing our strategy we have a strategy to 2020 the update will be to 2030 and we need this input to work on this we will do this together under the leadership of our new rector versus Eddie Morris and we are very happy that you could make it today and be with us and together of course with our partners and our IHC staff so that's what we are going to do the second point I would like to mention is organizing a day like this of course needs a lot of hands and I will quickly grow through who has been helping us first of all of course all the speakers and facilitators, panel members and the performers especially the last one personal privilege Michael McLean of course for being the excellent master's ceremonies thank you very much and of course it's also about you all guests who have been attending the conference and it's about the volunteers who have helped us in setting this up but then I would like to spend a few more moments to the organizing committee in IHC Delft we can say we had a core group of six people we have been meeting on a regular basis and we have been master mining this putting it together and making it operational and I would like to ask them to come to the stage and that is Ruth Weber Vanessa Temmink Vanessa where are you I'm here Laura Cecilia Peccinetti you are I thought she was sitting there yes there you are Peter Stroh and Wim Gloss okay okay Michael you were the master of ceremonies I had a good part of it I may kiss all the ladies so that's what you meant okay then I have a last point I would like to mention of course you are part of the oh sorry Peter Peter did a lot of the graphics the design of all the things that you see with the new name and logo it's from Peter's mastermind thank you the last point that we want to do is to invite you back to the foyer where we will the cafe okay so that's a little bit further back so we will open the picture exhibition that is called alumni in action and for this purpose we have commissioned our cultural ambassador Gil Garcetti if I pronounce them well who made an excellent footage of the work our alumni are doing on the three different continents it's a beautiful exhibition and you're almost well two minutes away from it because the next thing I'm going to say is we invite you for a drink and a snack and the opportunity to mix with all the guests in the audience and I wish you a very pleasant evening and I hope you to see you at the next occasion thank you very much