Welcome, Andrea Rodriguez. Can we go ahead and test your audio and video? And then I believe Danielle, hello. Hi there. I believe Danielle has an oath of office for you. Fantastic. Hi. Hi. Do you go by Andrea or Andrea? Andrea. Andrea, okay, perfect. So what I'm gonna do is I will ask you to state your name, I'll read a paragraph, and then I will ask you at the end of the paragraph if you agree to that. And then once we're done, you'll be an official cab member and we can include you in our quorum count. So let me get this pulled up here. Okay. So I state your name. Hi, Andrea Rodriguez. Do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of California against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of California. But I would take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion. And that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter. Do you agree? I agree, I do. Great, welcome to the cab. So what will happen after this is I will sign your oath of office and then we can follow up offline so that we can schedule time to have you come in to sign your part as well and then we'll file it with the city clerk's office. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Thank you. Also thank you for that familiar background, Danny. No, it's been a while. It's actually, I tell people it's fake, so. I love the hat, Leslie. Oh, thank you. Yeah. This will wait a few more minutes. So quick announcement on a personal note before we get started, I've been battling a nosebleed for about half an hour. So if you see something I don't, please just let me know. I actually appreciate it. Absolutely. I was testing the sound on the YouTube and it was weird. I didn't know who was talking or if it was YouTube speaking. And then I saw myself move in the YouTube complicated situation. Was a delayed reaction, I think? They get talked for a few seconds. It's weird. Yeah, but then I saw, I heard Cherie Graves speaking and I'm like, wait, is she speaking now or is it YouTube? And then I come back and everyone's silent and I'm still moving, but I'm not moving the directions that the YouTube is moving. So yeah. Don't go into the other dimensions, Danny. Yeah, don't do that. Stay in this one. I will. That only happens when there's alcohol involved. YouTube dimensions already, yeah. So it looks like we have quorum as soon as Member Square gets promoted. You can get started. And if I can have all of the CAB members, please turn their cameras on. Thank you. Danielle. Yes. This is Robin and when I tried to turn my camera on, it says I cannot start my... Oh, nevermind. Okay. Yay. Okay, great. Perfect. Welcome everyone. At this time, we're calling to order the Community Advisory Board and our December last meeting of 2021. Good evening. And roll call now for Danielle, I believe. Yep. All right. Member Baldenegro. Here. Right. Member Barnett. Member Barthelot. Here. Member Rahm. Here. Member Richardson. Is she here yet? No, I don't see her. Member Rodriguez. Here. Member Square. Yeah. And Member Steffi won't be here. Vice Chair Innocentio. Yeah. Perfect. And Chair Graves. Present. Thank you. Let the record show that all members are present, except for Member Richardson and Member Steffi. Thank you. And now for item number two, which is public comments. Do we have any public comments? There are no hands raised for public comment. Thank you. And moving right along to item number three, the approval of minutes from November 17th, our special meeting. Are there any comments or adjustments to those minutes? Seeing none, do we have a motion to approve? Take a motion to approve. That was Member Rahm and a second. I second the motion. Second is Member Baldenegro. And we can take a vote. Sure. And so just as procedural, Member Barthelot, Member Rodriguez, you'll have to abstain from this. So Member Baldenegro. Yes. OK. Member Barnett. Yes. And Member Barthelot abstain. Abstain. Get great. Member Rahm. Yes. Member Rodriguez. Abstain. Member Square. Abstain. OK. And Member, oh, Vice Chair Innocentio. Yes. And Chair Graves. Yes. All right. So that is seven yeses and three abstentions. Thank you. Any public comments for the minutes? There are no hands raised for public comment. Thank you. Item number four is our CAB announcements. This is where the CAB members make sure any community news of interest to the CAB as a whole. Announcing community events or CAB members may announce any departure from the meeting early or other announcements that may affect the meeting. At this time, I would request that our new members, welcome new members officially, our member Rodriguez and member Barthelot, I'm going to try and say that correctly, if you would like to jump in and introduce yourself, just really briefly, a couple of minutes tops. If that, no pressure, we would certainly welcome it. OK, I'll go first, Robin. First of all, so my name's Andrea. I am glad to see so familiar faces here tonight. I currently work for Sonoma Water in the Public Affairs Department. But more importantly, I live in Lincoln Valley. I am a mom of two boys in middle school and high school with a wonderful husband. I've lived in Santa Rosa since 2003. I am born and raised in LA girl, but so happy to be part of this community. Professionally, I've worked for Sonoma State as their Director of Government Community Affairs. I've sat on boards and commissions and staff. So I'm really excited to do this on a personal level for my neighborhood and my community and not on a professional side. So this really means a lot to me. And I'm looking forward to working with all of you. So thank you. Thank you, Manny. Hi, Pico. Robin. Thank you very much. I'm Robin Barthelot, and I work at the North Coast Builders Exchange. I'm their Workforce Development Director, and I'm also the Director of the Construction Training Program for high school seniors called the North Bay Construction Corps. I'm also an attorney recently. The last couple of years decided to do that later in life. It's my my anti Alzheimer's plan, hopefully. And I grew up in Santa Rosa, lived here almost my whole life. And raised three kids here, lived in Rankin Valley. That's where my kids went to school. I grew up in Northwest Santa Rosa, lived in Fountain Grove for a little while, lost a home there during the fires. And now I'm living in Bennett Valley. And I've loved everywhere I've lived in this city. And I'm really happy to have landed and I'm home now again. After a couple of years being, you know, a renter, a post fire renter. And I really look forward to working on this. This board and and I don't know a lot of you. So I look forward to getting to know you and and, you know, doing this good work to make our community better. Thank you. Once again, welcome to both of you. And now leaving it open for any cab announcements. If you slide in a couple words about yourself, I'm not going to I'm not going to turn you off. So as we as we just heard the two new members and you want to introduce yourself with a few a few words, less than a minute. Now, member Barnett, I'll call you. Well, welcome, new members. And I'm trying to figure out how to that's how you do it. Well, I've been doing zoom for two years now. No, but the raise hand, lower hand feature. I just want to quickly let you guys know most of, you know, I work with the Stomach and Bicycle Coalition and there are community rides going on all over Stomach County. And what I wanted to let you guys know about is the Center Rose of Taco Tuesday ride means a Humboldt Park every week, unless it rains. And it is a all community member ride, all ages, all ride levels. It's it's pretty much a light parade on bikes. But they just made an announcement that they're going to do a Christmas tree ride this Sunday. So they're going to leave a little earlier in the day. But lights or bikes that come out and see some Christmas lights and the upcoming Tuesday ride they're doing, they raised $900 and they're giving away nine bikes to kids in Santa Rosa. So I want to encourage folks if you are interested and want to see this community ride in action, it's an absolute blast to be a part of. So that's my little announcement. Thank you, Member Barnett. And now it's Member Ron. There we are. So hi, welcome. I did want to just let everybody know that Coffee Park is having we're having our annual Christmas light parade on Saturday starts at six o'clock. It hits about six miles throughout Coffee Park. It'll end up at the park. So if anybody shows any interest and wants to hopefully no rain, we have about 60 cars, I think, this year, maybe 50 cars. So it's going to be a long parade. Santa will be at the end and probably hit the park by 7 7 probably 7 30 ish, but just put it out there. Everybody, if you have a car that you I mean, it doesn't matter what it is and you want to throw some lights on it, we're meeting at the 3,300 coffee lane between five and six for staging. And you can jump in the parade if you like. And it's open to whoever wants to participate or watch. And that's all I have. Thank you, Member Brown. Sounds like a jolly good old time. Any other cabin announcements? Does that look like it out? See any hands raised? So I'm going to make a few announcements every month. We go to myself or vice chair, you know, since you have filled in for me to the mayor's meeting and which all the chairs of all the boards and commissions attend. It's a lunchtime meeting, but on Zoom, we haven't eaten anything. But trust me. And I wanted to make an announcement from that. A couple of things is that there is an active creek cleanup. I know that some members have expressed interest in participating in an event that is community based. It is first Saturday of the month. I do believe that they may have it on January 1st, where it isn't completely out yet. It they meet at Olive Park. It's at 10 a.m. It is organized by our Crete steward, Alistair Blythus. If you have not yet had the great pleasure of meeting Alistair Blythus, take this as an opportunity, one of the first Saturdays in a month to meet him. He is a senator as a treasurer and I do believe for volunteers, there is a sign of a waiver and also a vaccination and or a negative test that is required in order to volunteer. So it's an online sign up. So check that out under creek stewardship. Speaking of vaccination, Mayor Rogers announced at our meeting that for boards and commissions in 2022, if there were any meetings in person that vaccinations and or negative tests will be required for all board and commission members that would be meeting in person. Upon asking this, one of our one of our members at that meeting asked Mayor Rogers if the city would provide free testing for all board or commission commission members. And just like right now, the city provides that testing for all staff at this at this time, the answer was unknown. But Mayor Rogers will be looking into that. Also, some exciting news. This was met with great praise. Our quorum issue has been rebranded. I took the opportunity at the meeting to rebrand our quorum issue as an appointment and or roster issue. And that was welcomed. So no longer will it be called a quorum issue. Why? Because you are the quorum and we can't keep calling it a quorum issue. We actually have enough members. We don't have less than eight members. We we do have enough members and but we never have had for a whole year, a full roster. So we have been handicapped and those people that are members and are not handicapped. We are simply handicapped as a board by the lack of a full roster. So we now are going to be calling it we can call it an appointment issue or a roster issue, but that's how it will be made going forward. So that is all of my announcements. At this point, do we have any public comments on the ad announcement? There are no hands raised for public comment. Thank you. And just to double check, is there any other board announcements after that? All right, moving on to number five is the staff updates. At this time, we'll turn it over. I believe is it Danielle or Magali, Danielle, so for staff updates. Yeah. All right. So just a few this evening, Community Empowerment Plan update. So multicultural projects, we are reviving our Project Advisory Committee for that particular project. So we do need folks who are interested in joining the group. So if you or anyone else who know that is interested, please reach out to me. Let me know. And I'm more than happy to have a conversation with them about that. The group does meet quarterly and the basically the the role of those group members is to provide feedback to staff on the project implementation, provide ideas for new stories and also to help us with outreach. Moving on to the Mary Lou Lowrider Patrol car. Artwork is finally underway and nearing completion. Once the artwork is done, the car will get its clear coat and then we'll be off to have the SRPD logo put on the both of the doors. After all this left after that is the stereo installation, the tire and rim installation and the upholstery upgrade. So we're looking at hopefully by the end of January, this car will be done. And I believe Magali mentioned at the last meeting that there is a date now set for the reveal of the of the car on Saturday, March 26. I will be sending out an outlook appointment for that for anyone who's interested in attending, it will be open to the community to attend. So more to come on that moving along to the open government update. Currently, the subcommittee is not meeting. I believe our next meeting won't be until late February. Right now, the focus for the city attorney and the city clerk is on the charter update and redistricting. So once they get through that, then we'll be able to reconvene the open government subcommittee meeting. Community improvement grant update quarter to projects that have been completed so far and submitted for reimbursement are the LCL and high school mural project and Community Matters Safe School Ambassadors Program. Quarter three projects, the center of the Dia de los Martos project has been complete and they have received their payment for that grant. And it looks like there's a couple others that are also very close to completion for quarter two. And some of those quarter three projects have also received their their grant check and have their projects underway. And then finally, just a few other quick announcements. Has everyone has probably now heard member Harper passed away two weeks ago. His memorial service is scheduled for tomorrow from three to seven at the Finlay Community Center. This is open to the public. So if you are able to attend, we'd love to have you. And if you are not able to attend, we are live streaming it. And so we can put the link to the live stream in the chat in just a few moments. Also, as part of this, there will be an opportunity. I believe we have like an hour and five minutes set aside for community members to come and say a few words about their memories, events and share that with folks who are in attendance. There also be food provided towards the end. And the family has asked that in little flowers. They've asked for community members to make donations to Santa Rosa Junior College, which has decided to set up a scholarship fund in his name. And those are my updates for this evening. And it looks like the link has been put into the chat box. Great. And with that, thank you again once again. Any questions or comments from board members on the staff updates? Not seeing any. I have one talking about the community improvement grant. Updates, maybe the call about our ambassador. Connections and or we've gone through two quarters now of grant funding. And I think we've gotten one ambassador. Connections where we had CAB members link up with the grant approvals and those receiving grants for those that are new to the CAB. We will be having our grant approvals in January, so more to come on that later in the agenda. So we'll kind of go through that whole process a little bit more. And this part of the staff presentation covers that a little bit. So, Danielle, is that something that we're going to have sent to us again? Yeah, thank you for reminding me. I can send out the list of all of the project names and then just respond to me which projects you would like to be the liaison for. We did get I think every project last quarter got a project liaison. And I encourage everybody to get that information back to Danielle after she sends it to us. Being a liaison or an ambassador to one of these grant projects I think is a wonderful opportunity for us to be connected in the community and also upcoming when they're completing the project for us to actually be present and give any assistance that is needed through the process. So I really encourage everybody to do that. Get back that information as quick as possible to Danielle. And with that, without any other board questions or comments, I don't see any. Are there any public comments for staff updates? There are no hands raised for public comments. Great, thank you. Moving along to our schedule items, items number six, item number six point one and six point two will be facilitated by five chair in Ossentium. Thank you, chair graves. So item moving to item six point one update on the city charter review process of here we go. Staff will provide a brief overview of where the city charter review is. So Danielle or Macaulay, who's presenting? I'll turn it over to Macaulay. Oh, thank you and good evening, everyone. My colleague is here, director of engagement. I had a very brief update. As you all know, I'm relatively new to the city. So I am going to give you an update in terms of of the last two meetings that that the city charter review had. As you all know, there are 21 members and each district member selected three folks to serve. So it is a very well represented group in terms of age, in terms of occupation. So it's very well rounded. And they have selected identified 12 topics that they will be sort of tackling, having conversations on. And I'll quickly go through go through them. The first topic in no particular order is directly elected and directly electing an at large mayor. Second, ranked choice voting. Third, a police auditor slash citizen oversight commission. Fourth, council compensation. Fifth, climate change. Six, diversity, equity and inclusion. Seven, excess taxes. Danny, I'm reading your notes. I don't know if that I'm reading that correctly. Yeah, that's how it was written on the PowerPoint. OK, I will have more information on what that means. Regulation of rental housing, number eight, number nine, procurement policy reforms. Ten, board and commission forums. Eleven, removal of mayor or council member for misconduct. Twelve is a two year budget process. And it seems that the top three items from this list that will be discussed in in this order. Firstly, they will go get through council compensation and the process of council members being compensated a little more adequately because of some of you have seen council members are not just at city council meetings and some of the city council meetings have. Some of them will start very early and end very late. I believe yesterday's council meeting ended a little after midnight maybe or one o'clock somewhere around one o'clock. And I know they start sometimes they'll start 10 a.m. Or just special meetings serving on, you know, the different capacities. So that's something to consider as well as from an equitable approach, right? So that we have more better representation and not just people who have jobs or financial situations that allow them this this level of flexibility. So I think that's that's going to bring a sort of more diverse group of folks to the table. The second item is ranked choice of voting. And I will definitely have more information on exactly how that is outlined. And thirdly, a direct elect mayor. So my hope is that in the next meeting, there'll be more of a conversation on the timeline as well as kind of like what sort of the next steps are. I'm happy to update the this the cab on on sort of what the next steps are. And that's all I have. And I will jump in and just show you really quick the website for the charter review. We hear and everybody see the charter review website. OK, perfect. So the address is srcity.org slash charter. So you just type that in. This will pop up, provides an overview of the charter review process that is currently underway. There is also a link here to watch the most preview or the most recent charter review committee meeting, as well as a link to all their previous meetings and upcoming meetings. There is the resolution here that Council adopted to establish that charter review committee, some general information about the charter review, why it's required. Here's all the names of the charter review committee members and their email addresses if you'd like to reach out to them. Oh, and again, here are the links to the video videos of their most recent meetings. I believe they actually met today. Today at five o'clock was their last meeting, so that video will be uploaded once once they have it ready to go. So I will stop sharing there, and that is it on the charter review. All right, well, thank you, Magali and Danielle, for presenting that. And I'll open up for questions from CAB members and I'll add a tiny bit more info. Charter review is super important, you know, it's only done every 10 years and it really sets the foundation for the city, right? It's a charter. And so any changes I make here will see the effects of moving forward. And so it's super important. I encourage you guys to get involved as CAB members and members of the public. Without any questions for Magali, number Barnett. Thank you. Real quick, Danielle, with the completed CIG, do we have photographs or do we have a link to the video that the Dia de los Martos team produced? It was my question because, one, if we want to do any updates on the CIG part of the CAB website for the next grant cycle, because we always like to give people examples. And two, it's something that grant recipients oftentimes will just send us. I love basically I'd love to see the mural is what it comes down to. But sure, absolutely. I have photo photos of the completed projects, just a quick caveat. We're on item 6.1, so we can't really talk about grant program right now. Even though this is technically another stamp update, it is an agenda item. So I will work on getting everybody. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do. I guess I could put it on the website. But they have to send at least 10 photos with their final. So I can't put all 10 photos up on the website, but I do have a lot. And then Danny and I real quickly went to the mural reveal as did Member Steffi at LC Allen, and it's beautiful. I really encourage everybody to go check it out. I'm going to stop there on that, though, to get back to this item. Right. Chair Graves, see the answer. Hi, thank you. Thanks, Macaulay, for that information. Just at that mayor's meeting with two of our chairs are actually on the Trug Review as well. So just getting a little information from them that of those 12 items that you mentioned, five of them are going to be potentially directly affected, and which you mentioned again, three of them being the priorities right now that they see by the charter review itself, and seven of those items will be potential ordinance applications that they need to submit for that. So just to clarify within the charter review process is that they found five of the items within their scope to affect change. And seven of those items of the 12 that Macaulay mentioned would need a further ordinance or vote by the public in order to affect change. So that's a little bit of important information. And and they are meeting from what I remember in my notes every two weeks. So I think today was potentially the last meeting for this year. Right. And then it will go into January. So there's lots of opportunities to even sit in on a charter review meeting if you're interested, just to look at that schedule. Thank you. Thank you, Chair Graves. Any other questions for or for staff? No, are there any public comments? I do have one hand raised for public comment. One moment while I pull up the screen. Well, how exciting. Good evening. My name is Gregory Farron. Excuse me, I was just having dinner in a bite still going down. I wanted to let you know that, yes, there was a meeting just before this meeting, and they do meet every two weeks. And they and you're right, they will be meeting next in January. I want to give you a slight a different view, I guess, than Danielle about the charter and the process because it sounded like it was sort of a done deal that all the topics were already decided and that they were just sort of proceeding through it. And I know that's not her intention, but I wanted to let you know that even at this meeting that just concluded, Karen Weeks asked the city a key question for all of you, which is what is the role of citizen of the Engagement Division and the cab in helping the public become a part of the charter review process? It is the seminal democratic process in the city every ten years. It's like writing a constitution. And it's very, very important that you all as the city's vehicle for engaging the public that you do more than just be interested. Sue Gallagher said in response to Karen as to what is your role? What will you be doing that she was going to meet with Magali and Danielle? And they were going to all figure it out. She didn't have a very good answer, as far as I could see, because it almost appeared like you weren't really invited or nor expected to be involved in the charter. And I want to tell you that from the community's point of view, that's really disappointing because I was part of the process that set up the the Engagement Department. And we clearly wanted you guys involved in the charter review process. We want to involve in every part of the city to help build civic engagement. And so if you had to pick one, it would probably be the charter review. Now, there are a lot of other items that the community would like discussed by the charter review. And we expect you to be able to do the same sort of research into what your communities, what the people around you, what your citizens would like to have put into the charter. The charter is how we run the city and what we do with it. And it's this is the point at which you can impact those kinds of topics, those decisions and those processes. And I know you got a lot on your plate, but you can't just sit back and watch this happen. Thank you very much. Thank you, Gregory, for the public comments. At this point, Chair Graves, what's the next step here? I think we there's more questions after this, right? Hi, Chair Innocentio. Great question. At this time, you can open it up to the board for a comment. And then you can move on to the next item from there. OK, thank you. So any comments from CAB members? I think Gregory's point was an important one, right? This is such an important thing that we should be being involved, though. With it being its own, it's hard for us to understand how, at least for me, how to get involved and where we should try to get involved. Remember about the Negro? Yes. Can you hear me? Yeah. OK. I I heard his message and. All of us on on this board are active and involved in many other activities, right? But I know you're active and involved, you know. And so for us, we want the best for the city. I didn't know about the charter review and had I known the importance of it, I would have been more active in it. But we all want what's best for Santa Rosa moving forward. So let's continue to do this and continue to put Santa Rosa first as Gregory had mentioned. So, Gregory, thank you for your feedback. And we will work more closely in this with you. Thank you, member of the Negro member. Rodriguez, I could barely see your hand there. So I see it's razor. We'll go ahead. Sure. Thanks so much. Would it help? I don't know if Magali or someone else who's following the charter review let us know when there's opportunities for us to help promote or share information to our networks and channel so we can sort of raise that engagement level. Is there a way to sort of share that information or is there a place where we can find it easily to share on our own as well? Yeah, so anytime there is something coming up that has to do with a big initiative for the city, I generally do send it out to the cab via email. I would also encourage you if you're not already signed up for the city newsletter to sign up to receive the weekly city newsletter, because we do send out information about these things via there. And then if you're on social media, of course, follow the city of Santa Rosa and Santa Rosa community engagement. We do really encourage you to push out those social media posts onto your own personal ones to reach a greater number of people. And I don't know, Magali, if you have any other information at this point, I know that you just talked to Sue very recently, so we were informed. Do you have any more information? I don't know yet. Yeah, definitely all all great points. And I think that now that we've had the opportunity to expand our team by one person, I think it'll really facilitate the process of being able to make sure and, you know, we're so fortunate. Danny, I'm looking at you. Hi, we're having this conversation right here right now that, you know, that you've been a cab member and you're very familiar with the process. But as you heard earlier, you know, Danny was able to chime in until the last meeting and make sure that we stay up to date. So we'll definitely be able to streamline a process moving forward so that at all the coming up cab meetings, we can provide a more robust update. In addition, you know, like Member Rodriguez mentioned, when those opportunities do come up, be able to at least email them out to this group. So that is something that we can do for sure. And I also highly encourage you to utilize that website that I shared earlier with the emails, too. It's a great way to get in contact with the committee members and stay connected to them, too. Awesome. Chair Greaves, see your hands raised. Thank you, Vice Chair. I just want to echo once again, Member Baldenero's comments to thank Mr. Farron for coming forth and making a public comment and just driving that point home. I really appreciate that. That is what we're here for and all ears we're listening and that involvement is really important. I know in just the near past that we were working diligently on getting out some videos, some civic videos, one-on-one. I think we might get an update about that a little bit later in our agenda, but that certainly doesn't preclude us from, you know, getting in contact with all of our community members. And just, as Gregory said, just asking a question, what would you like to see in the next 10 years or throughout the next 10 years here in Santa Rosa and just gaining that wealth of information and bringing it back, getting in touch with a charter review member and letting them know or appearing at one of the meetings. So thanks again for that public comment. Always welcome and thanks for having a moment for me to say that. All right, I'm not seeing any other questions or comments that we have them now would be the time. I also want to say we are, you know, an advisory board. So I'm assuming if we would like to discuss amongst ourselves and bring forth recommendations that we've heard from community members, we can present that to the charter review as a board, right? There's nothing stopping us from writing a letter or showing up to the meeting as a as cab, which I think is would be very important and very impactful if that's something that we can, that's something that we wish to discuss further. So saying no more comments, let's move on to item number six point two. Cab 2022 priority setting discussion. And I think that's going to tie in nicely with what we kind of just discussed right now. So this item, who has will be presenting? And, yeah, I will. Yeah, Madeline, can we get the presentation up, please? Perfect. All right. So most of you have actually already seen this presentation. So this will be a review for you. However, for our new members, this will be a nice introduction to the cab, which I did also send you this information in the orientation packet. But here it is again, the next slide, please. So just a quick overview of the cab and the background. Again, talking about the city charter, the Community Advisory Board is actually part of the city charter. So it was established in 2002. And the purpose of the cab in this, you know, being added to the city charter was to represent views and ideas from the broader community on issues of interest to the city council. So once the Charter Review Committee made the decision to put to add the cab to the charter, the cab that that amendment was actually sent to the voters and approved in 2002. And then the next year, by resolution, the very first board developed the roles and responsibilities of the cab, cab boundaries and the cab appointees. So cab actually started out as 21 members. But in 2006, there was a restructuring and that number was reduced to 14. Next slide. So the requirements is outlined in the charter and further outlined in Resolution 28174, which was established in 2012, include issues of concern of concerns of city residents, including public safety concerns, capital improvement program, budget priorities, which is the city's infrastructure budget program. So helping to gather feedback from the community on those budget priorities, increasing public participation and building civic capacity, so connecting residents to the city and getting them involved in in different city projects and initiatives, as well as educating the public on how to participate and why it's important. Community meetings and events. So there is a requirement of four per year per member. We generally do this through a variety of different ways, including tabling at Wednesday at market, single to mile, Juneteenth and other community events that are happening as well as neighborhood meetings and neighborhood events that are happening around the city. And finally, the community improvement grant program, which the council allocates funds to every year and the cab gives out mini grants of up to twenty five hundred dollars per community group to implement projects such as creating a community garden mural projects, any type of community community building activity that a community or neighborhood group wants to implement. Next slide, please. So then the cab developed their strategic plan in 2018 and it was formally approved by the city council in twenty nineteen. Next slide, please. Which really narrowed down the focus areas and helped cab to really kind of center around how they wanted to meet all of those different areas in the charter. And so they came up with three strategic categories, one being community empowerment here. The idea was to implement the name profess program, which is currently suspended indefinitely at this point due to the pandemic, creating a civic engagement academy, proactively attending neighborhood meetings and assisting the community and your staff in creating a series of civic engagement one on one videos, which has pretty much been complete. We're just waiting on the city attorney to approve the scripts that were developed, but the cab did play an instrumental role in really developing the content and giving us ideas for what should be in those videos. Next slide, please. Strategic category number two is community engagement expertise. And so the areas, the I'm sorry, the strategies here were to create a list of board assets and present one cab member per meeting. This was your meet the cab member, which we used to do at these meetings. Now we just have our new members introduce themselves during the cab announcement period. Most of the work under this has been complete. So the next one, the board created a talking points, flyer and FAQs for cab recruitment, which the council now uses as they do the recruitment and selection for new cab members. They created an orientation packet and we did talk about mentoring program, program, but we haven't quite gotten there yet, but we did create that orientation packet, which now all new board members receive. Creating a report to present to City Council outlining successes, challenges of implementing the strategic plan and opportunities for future projects and next steps. That got thrown off completely by the pandemic because once the pandemic and shelter in place started, a cab has not been able to implement a whole lot from their strategic plan, primarily those things that put us out in community. But we will be going to council in January or February. Possibly at this point to present on the community improvement grant program and what cap has accomplished in the last two years. And then finally updating the cab grant program to reflect current community conditions, including the pandemic. Next slide, please. And I did mention there was a third category, which was the operations committee, operations, strategic category, which we completed very early on and that was really to get the board to a better functioning position, essentially having the meetings run more effectively. And I'm actually totally blanking because we did that like a couple of years ago. Member Barnett can fill in those gaps once we get to cab comments, but we did complete that part. That's why it's no longer in the presentation. Moving on to the community improvement grant program. So resolution 28442, define what community projects, what those projects are. So there's a physical improvement projects, like I mentioned before, the murals and community garden, other types of physical improvement projects and then capacity building projects. These could be things like a neighborhood leadership development type projects bringing in a speaker to, that's open to the entire community to talk about a certain topic that's beneficial. Projects such as those are funded through the grant program. Resolution 28686 actually provided, gave the cab the authority to select the grants. Part of that the cab would make recommendations and then take that to city council and then the council would be the final decision maker. Here now the cab gets to make those final decisions. And then we did go back to council in 2019 with the new strategic plan and changed the grant program to focus on neighbor first, but the cab did recently vote to change it back to including physical improvement projects as part of the grant program. Really because the pandemic we're still here cannot do these big in-person events at this point. So we wanna make sure that there are other options for our community members to utilizing those grant funds. Next slide please. Member requirements, next slide. This includes what you receive from the city clerk's office, including your FX training, your providing harassment training and other requirements outlined in the email that they first send new members when they first start, next slide please. From city staff, again, the oath of office and the orientation which everyone should have received, your responsibilities are a 10, 75% of all monthly meetings which are usually held on the fourth Wednesday for every month except for during the holidays when we have to move the meetings around and assist with outreach for the grant program and CIP feedback. Again, I mentioned this before, this includes tabling at community events, going to neighborhood meetings, as well as utilizing digital communication efforts and word of mouth. And then on the outreach efforts, I'd really like to get to a point where we can include this on the monthly agenda as having a set item for report outs on member efforts to do outreach for the grant program. Next slide please. And then next slide. So everybody has met our chair graves. So the mayor appoints the chair and every year the cab selects the vice chair and the chair and the vice chair co-facilitate these meetings. Our meetings do follow the Brown Act and looks like this quorum thing has changed. Correct me if I'm wrong chair graves, but it sounds like we no longer need the 50% plus one, it has to do with the roster and not the entire board, which was new information to us tonight. So that is good news. No? Okay, never mind. That's the rebranding of everyone calling it a quorum. Okay. Sorry to interrupt. Okay, thank you. So we still need the 50% plus one, so eight members currently make a quorum. Although I did, when I was reviewing the recording from last month's meeting, I did hear an interest in trying to make that change if possible. I'm not sure I have to look into that because I don't know if that's a Brown Act requirement or if it's something that we can make a change to. And then cab creates the agendas. So you guys get to put items on the agenda for future agenda items. Next slide please. So we have heard from some community groups about where they would like to see the cab go, as well as our own staff recommendations as well, to give some suggestions as to priorities for the future. One idea is the neighborhood council. And there was some, I think some confusion on our part as to what that looks like. So I did send out an email from Santa Rosa together who did make this suggestion of the neighborhood council. And basically it's weaving that structure into the current cab structure. And we're not sure how this looks yet. That would be something that the cab would help to develop. It would really shift community engagement. So at office of community engagement, we have our two divisions. We have violence prevention partnership and we have community engagement. It would really shift the community engagement side of things to focus more on neighborhoods and provide rather than a citizen academy, provide a leadership development training to those participating neighborhoods in this structure. And then some staff recommendations in addition to the neighborhood council would really just be to focus on what's in the city charter currently. I do wanna point out again that one of those areas of focus was issues of public safety. So there is an opportunity for this board to really focus in on issues of public safety that are coming up here for our residents in the city and moving forward just focusing on that along with the grant program and then continuing to help us provide that community education on how to participate in your city government and why it's important. And then another area since this is an advisory body, help us be that arm for that advisory body for the city's community engagement efforts. So when we have things like the general plan update or other big initiatives that come forward that have that community engagement component, this board should be the one that takes a look at that before it gets implemented and provide feedback to our city staff on those plans. So those are our suggestions. Next slide, please. And with that, I will turn it back over to the board for questions. Also, Magali, if you have anything to add to before we move to questions. Just thank you for that presentation. Again, being new-ish to the city, I think it's really important to understand the strategic plan and it just sort of made me think about whether the CAB would wanna consider really diving into this, re-diving into the strategic plan since we have so many new members and figuring out what pieces would still need to come together, what pieces would still be relevant for this group to take on or what pivots do we need to make because of COVID restrictions, right? Since Naper Fest was such a large part of what I was kind of hearing here. So I personally, we want to do what would serve the community the best and also what would serve you all the best and keep you engaged. And in a situation where we could just sort of move past and find the other ways to move past some of our COVID restrictions that we've been experiencing and still getting out there and doing the engagement to some extent or another. So that's, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of great conversation here and I'd love to hear from Kat. Yeah, and the one last thing I forgot to mention too and maybe member Barnett can weigh in on this because she is the one member that has been here the longest, but I think it's been over 10 years now. Is the CIP feedback, the Capital Improvement Project feedback on budget priorities? Does the cab really want to continue having that as part of their responsibilities, right? That was put in originally. We used to do town halls for that. Then we moved to open houses. And then when the pandemic hit, director Jason Knutt came director of transportation public works and assistant city manager. He came to the cab early last year or earlier this year, I'm sorry, to gather that feedback from cab and where the priorities were, right? So does the cab still want to continue being responsible for that? I know that director Knutt has his own opinions on that. And it's always been a challenge for us because these budgets are multi-year budgets, right? So we gather community feedback on what the community's priorities for infrastructure are now. We'll provide that to staff, but then those projects probably won't happen for years and years to come, right? So the community gets frustrated and they're wondering what happened with that information. So member Barnett, I don't know if you want to add a little bit more information about that or kind of what your experience has been around that particular charter requirement. Well, specifically to CIP and community improvement projects, how do I put this? It's a big ask of this board. And part of that is that that department for the city responds citywide 190,000 residents wide. And what's great about it is we do a portal all the data's public. You can see where progress is on each of these projects. The challenge for our board, as Danielle mentioned. So if you ever went to Wednesday Night Market and saw the community outreach booth there with city staff from Public Works, what we're talking about in terms of CIP is we would ask residents literally to take a handful of tokens, which was your budget and prioritize the tokens into the different buckets of what was the most important thing to you. And we would literally tally that up as a way of getting a moment in time point of here's public impact input on CIP. When Mayor Rogers served on the community advisory board council, he explored what Belayo did with public participatory budgeting, which is way more advanced. It is hands down, handing neighborhoods and communities the opportunity to vote on X amount of million dollars of city revenue and prioritizing it into a project. And whatever the vote tally from that was from the public, the city would guarantee that those, and we're talking to the tune of millions of dollars. That sounds magical and amazing. It requires a lot of lift, a lot of consultants, a lot of work to bring that all together because that's not something that the city has in house. We would have to go down that road like Belayo did. And it's very involved. So we haven't got there yet. So when it comes to CIP, and it might behoove us at some point because Jason typically comes in right around the time when the budget comes up and presents to the cab to kind of give them an overview of CIP. If we wanna go forward with it, that might be helpful. We may have, since we've been recording these, we may have a previous video, so you can get an idea. What I've seen in the 10 years on the cab, we have done something as ambitious as directly going to the city of Santa Rosa with Jason with a recommendation on street improvements and asking for a one-time infusion of funds to take care of the backfill of, frankly, the pothole situation in Santa Rosa. We have done the Wednesday night market. We have done community open houses. We've asked for feedback and we put a lot of resources into some of those meetings and community events to fulfill charter requirements. And the challenge that cab has run into historically is just because the city decides to open a open house doesn't mean the residents of the city are gonna give up a Wednesday night at six o'clock for them to go to a community open house. So the feedback over the years from the board has been rather than the city generating an open house or generating an event to try to get people to do CIP, why not go to where the communities are already housing their meetings, i.e. where there's a neighbor fest, where there's a neighborhood association meeting and taking the CIP presentation and taking that role that cab plays in it to that organization and presenting it to them where there's already a crowd of people with a vested interest and we're bringing something of value to them. That's kind of what has been the recommendation that has come from the over the years of cab of maybe going to the crowd versus trying to generate a crowd. But as far as the idea of CIP and the cab, it's a lot, it's a heavy lift. I will not say that it's, oh, it's straightforward. No, it's a multimillion dollar piece of the city. It's the largest piece of direct services the city engages in that cab directly correlates with and it's a lot. It's a lot to get under your belt to understand it. And the outreach efforts are another big piece of it as well. So hope that helps make it even more clear as mud. But I will encourage people, if they are curious about how CIP translates out the city website, we have a data portal. Mayor Rogers is a big fan of it because of the transparency you can actually look at projects. If you see something in your neighborhood or if you're asking yourself a question of, what's with that sewer project up on a chenille? You can actually go to the data portal and it will dive down into an absurd amount of information that's all public record and very transparent. I mean, down to subcontractors timelines, what the overall goal of the project is. So that's part of it with CIP as well is that there is an opportunity for the board to do education and outreach to the community at large because I think the data portal is one of the coolest things that we have that's underutilized and a lot of people don't even know it exists. So that might be something we look at, but overall, yeah, I'm just... Yes. Does that help at all, Danielle? Yes, it helps out tremendously. Essentially, that portion of the CABS work is a tremendous lift for very little engagement and very little return on our investment. I did put the link to the Capital Improvement Program in the website, which includes a link to the data portal that Member Barnett's talking about. We've talked about this internally as staffer, as long as I've been here, does it make sense for CABS to continue this lift moving forward? So that's something I'd like you to consider while you have a discussion this evening, but I will stop there and I will turn it over to you for questions. Thank you. Thank you, Danielle and Member Barnett, actually for all the information. And so I guess to back up a little bit, this is, if you're not aware of the CABS, this is we're setting our priorities for the year 2022. So this could take a while, but it's important for us to set the right priorities and it starts with this discussion, right? So let's start with any questions from the presentation or a question of what's being asked of us specifically. Members, I see Member Rodriguez has her hand up, right ahead. Just maybe some new clarifying questions. So the strategic plan was done and approved in 2019. Is there a cycle, like is it a five year cycle to do it again or is it just when we decide it's timely? Yeah, it was said to expire in five years, however, the pandemic completely threw everything off track. And so we implemented, we got about a year and a half into implementation and that's kind of where we stopped. So, and there's still a lot of items in there that are all pre-pandemic items. There are also pre-social justice protests and things that happened last summer around the police department. Okay, so there was just about that. And then my other question was, you emphasized our role in public safety. I know, I think the city has now brought on an auditor now for public safety. Is there a role for a cab in that process that we should be aware of or start creating? So that's how it just be a question. I don't know if there's an answer for that. I think currently we don't, we haven't had established that just because the council just approved them. I think that is a great conversation. If that is something the community would like to raise, definitely if that's the role that the cab would like to take on, but as of, it's just talking about the police auditor, OIR, it's OIR and their equity officer, Brian Corr. So I'm thinking, so if they do the model, like the ILR model where there's a community board, maybe there's a seat for a cab member to be a liaison in that process. So not recreating the will, but being part of that process. So I don't know if staff wants to just sort of think about that. So there's a seat for the cab at the table to have that liaison role would be really nice. So that way we're working together.  On the CIP feedback is you mentioned, it's part of the charter for the cab. So it's built into it, but it's not, is there like a metric, like how it's done or what they're looking for? So we can sort of reinvent that. Right. Okay, great. Yeah. Okay, thanks. I got, you guys got tons of good notes here. Yeah. Thank you, Robert Rodriguez. I mean, and actually a point of clarification for myself too. So the CIP is in the charter, so we can't remove it even if we wanted to. Right. We just have to change the scope of how we're going to handle it. Well, it is charter review time. Recommendation. Understood, understood. Thank you. Member Bartholo. Yeah, thanks. Actually that was one of my questions is, you know, well, I guess this will add onto it. So if we didn't do that, if we didn't help figure, I don't completely understand what our role was in prioritizing projects. I mean, would we be the ones to go out and sit at the community outreach booth with staff? And then, okay, so that's the heavy lift is that actual going out and gathering the data being part of that process. Yep. Okay. So if we didn't do it, then who would do it? Would it be done just by staff? Would it not, would we not be getting not feedback from our community so that the projects were prioritized in a way that was meaningful to the community? I don't know. Just curious about those details. Yeah, those are actually really good questions. It would fall to, they have the Transportation Public Works Department has a full CIP team. So they do have a team that works full-time on this. So it would fall on them. I do know that Director Nutt, he does enjoy coming to the cab and getting feedback from the cab on this process. And I think some of you were here for that earlier this year and welcome him coming back to be a part so that the cab can continue to be part of these conversations, but that heavy lift would be the responsibility of his team rather than the cabs. Thank you, Member Garccio-Chair Graves. Hi, thanks. I wanna, I will get to CRP but I wanna kind of go over some of my other notes within the presentation. One, there was a question about quorum and us deciding what quorum is. By no means that I decide what quorum is to find. Okay. I wanna make that clear. I simply was rebranding our issue. Okay. You say it as an English accent, that would be funny. But so, but that actually a definition of a quorum, I believe is up for chartering you right now. And that was one of their five, I believe, if I can recall correctly, but I can double-check on that. So, and they're talking about quorum and what that means for all boards because you can't just change one without affecting others. So I don't believe that is something that we could decide as a board, but I can double check on that. But I can double-check. And then number two, the neighborhood council and what the scenarios are together meant. And I believe it was explained just briefly as when Danielle was mentioning it as a combination or the cab would somewhat absorb this neighborhood council. I don't believe that that is exactly what they meant. That might be one option within their email. I have sent an email out to Patricia Kuda from Santa Rosa together via the exchange emails already this evening. And they do even mention in their email creating a separate neighborhood council and a program that could focus on providing a new mechanism for civic access as well as a resource and training for leaders in groups. That is something that they encourage us to actually research and to talk to them. So one of the reasons why I reached out rather quickly to Patricia was to welcome a conversation and also apologize for not going to their meeting back in June. At that time, I had just been diagnosed with breast cancer. So I was unable to attend their meeting. They also mentioned in their email that they do realize that the neighborhood council would be something that the city council would then make a determination on. And I do believe that that is something that first would go through the charter review because we need a charter for a neighborhood council. So that might be something within that discussion that we have here at the cab that we discuss robustly, that we do some research on. We maybe even invite someone from Santa Rosa together to come to a cab meeting. Obviously I'm gonna be talking to Patricia and some of the other members and get some feedback from them and then potentially address the charter review committee as to the viability of having a neighborhood council and what that might mean. So I think that that has a lot of room for our input, for our involvement and it sounds like a really big potential here in our city to have another council on board. And then public safety. I wanna address that is that we do have the police chief's ambassador committee that is a group of individuals that live here in Santa Rosa and were chosen by our police chief and not quite clear on all of what they do but that is something that we have already. And then really quite clear that the public has spoken during many council meetings, during study sessions that a community oversight committee is needed. And I think that's maybe another robust discussion that we could have and how we could influence public safety here on the cab is maybe putting our collective energies and weight and influence behind the need of community oversight committee along with that auditor for the police department. So only seen as a good thing, not seen as a bad thing but seen as something that is in addition and brings the community forth. Love member Rodriguez, your idea about the community oversight committee were to happen. That's something that the charter review committee is charged with and maybe even having an ordinance along with that that a cab member would sit on there as an invite. And with that, see more points. With that, what I would love to see is moving forward. We at one time had subcommittee committees that would come and report to the cab. They were made of cab members. We divided it up. We don't have those anymore. Another fall away from having COVID and having these restrictions but it would be wonderful if we could divide and conquer a little bit on cab, maybe have two or three members assigned like we do to the ambassador or liaison program for the community improvement project grant is to have two or three community advisory board members assigned as liaisons to different issues, to different policy, especially as we're bringing things up to the charter review committee that we would have a process and there would be a clear definition that there would be a clear action item for two or three members to go and find out more information about let's say a community oversight committee or let's say the community, the CIP heavy lift. It isn't a heavy lift for all of us but maybe for two or three we divide that way and then we bring back that information especially if we're unable to go to large community events. So I could see something like that work. Lastly, my last point, promise unless something else comes up is the CIP and I think we felt short definitely this last year with director Jason not coming. We weren't prepared. We weren't educated as a cab. We didn't have that community outreach beforehand. We need to come back with better strategies. Here, member Barnett and your experience, wealth of experience, letting us know what a heavy lift it is, but I think it's really valuable and as new member, my thoughts are so low. I have such a hard time pronouncing mean sometimes. I apologize. That is such an important aspect to have community members, see community members to give information to. I understand the value of staff in public works but I also understand what it is to be a community member to approach that table and it's intimidating sometimes when it's all staff and sometimes if you see a familiar face, if you see someone that looks like you, if you see someone that is from your neighborhood, you're more apt to come to the table or you're more apt to speak up at a neighborhood meeting and I believe that we need to go and meet community members where they're at at those neighborhood meetings. So it just gets me more energized for 2022 frankly speaking. So that concludes my long drawn out six points I believe. Thank you so much. Thank you Chair Graves. Are there any other questions before we move on to kind of a deeper discussion? And this member brought us a little, is this a question? I just want to make sure if we're done with questions we'll go to public comment for questions or at least open the opportunity. Yeah, just a quick question. This may be out in the weeds a little bit, but does the data gathering have to be in person or can it be like through the next door app? I mean, this could be answered at another time but I'm just wondering if the data has to actually be in person if there's any sort of rule about that or if we can use some electronic outreach means as well. Yeah, no, it definitely doesn't have to be in person only. We do have a new digital engagement site for the study called Let's Connect SR. So this is a project that can be added to that and we can drive people to that site. If it's an issue, we're finding that if it's an issue that people are just super upset about or very passionate about, they are definitely going to engage in that project. So issue of side shows for example, that's 608 responses to our community survey through that particular site. But for other projects that we've put on the site we've gotten zero engagement on even though we've done a lot of pushing to get people to go there. So I'm not 100% sure how that'll work. So if we could give it a try absolutely I would just really depend on all of you to really drive people to that site to get them to engage. There's tools other than surveys. There's a lot of different ways we could do that but I would definitely need everyone to drive community members to provide their feedback at that site if we decide to do that. Thank you. Any other questions? I have a quick question. Sorry, can I ask? You can. Learning through this process. So I'm looking at the city charter requirements particularly at the portion that says issues of concerns of city residents including public safety but mostly issues of concerns of city residents. What mechanisms have been used in the past where other than that spot in the agenda where it is brought up, right? So like what I'm wondering is this group searching more for staff to bring examples of within the realm of COVID right now where we're situated how could we meet these requirements, right? So if for example we're saying issues of concerns some of us belong to a number of organizations and boards and commissions outside of the city then the cohesive like collective requirement would then be that each board member would come and bring. These are the issues of concerns that I've gathered within the last month as part of X, Y, and Z. Is that kind of like how that was traditionally done? Yeah, I was done in a multitude of ways. So that's one of them. The other one is just tabling out in community and talking to people while we're at different community events. And then people coming to CAB meetings and providing that input as well. But then also CAB members giving a pulse on what's going on in community. So what is being said at city council meetings? What are being said at other board and commission meetings? And then bringing those back to the table and reporting out on those at the monthly meetings. So I know we can't have like a robust discussion on that but I'm wondering as a point of clarification sort of in service to this, would it be helpful if staff came back with to meet the city charter requirements in these areas and considering COVID being a variable? These are the things that we would be able to do or suggestions or recommendations. I just want to gauge like, how can we better assist CAB in still being able to fulfill the requirements in a way that would be fruitful? Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, thanks for that point. I think it's very helpful.  Question I have is so specific to residents bringing concerns. Years ago, we were in the process of developing an app called the My Santa Rose app specifically for residents to be able to bring issues of concern. So if there was a problem in the neighborhood, whether there was a pot hole, alligator cracking, weed abatement, you name it, right? And myself and a couple retired CAB members who served on the board would get requests from residents and would go out with the My Santa Rose app and show the resident how the app worked and would literally walk around their neighborhood taking pictures of what the problem was, putting notations and setting it up to the cloud. And at the time the app was in development. So the irony was is that if you actually sent a request through it went pretty high up the food chain. So residents would see within days or up to a week, you know, hey, there's a crew on the mix in the pot hole. Somewhere in the mix, the app got shelved and it's now somewhere on the city as a website feature. So I'm not entirely sure. But I'm bringing up the question of is it shelved or is the Let's Connect Santa Rosa kind of be the next iteration of that or well, the reason I bring it up is because Magali was talking about tools and resources and I'm not sure where the My Santa Rose app is going but in terms of ways to give residents the tool to solve the things that come up that we used to get as CAB board members that was one of the tools in the toolbox. So. Yeah, so I just put the link in the chat box to where it's located now it is an online portal. But the nice thing about it is you can actually track your submission. So you can see exactly where it is in the process and it keeps you up to date on how they're responding to it. The difference between that and so for that there's a variety of different things that you can report pot holes, trash, blight, graffiti, you know, things that pop up in your neighborhood. Let's connect SR is very project specific. So again, like I'll use the side shows as an example. So there was a suggestion from a council member that went out through our local media that perhaps the city is looking at sanctioning side shows and that we have received hundreds and hundreds of phone calls and emails after that comment went out, right? And so we were asked to help gather community feedback on how neighborhoods are being impacted in, you know, what people's thoughts are around what we should do about side shows. We had some listening sessions, but we also did it, did the online survey through Let's Connect SR. So that particular site lets us do surveys that lets us do polling. We had a mapping feature on there. So people could drop a pin on a map saying this is where side shows are happening in my neighborhood. It has other features too for other types of projects. It just really depends on what you're trying to collect as a storytelling app that has an open public forum if we want to open it up for robust discussion among community members. And so that's really project specific. It wouldn't be a place where people could just go and report like a problem in their neighborhood. That would probably get lost in the shuffle of things. We try to keep it project specific on that site. So, yes, my Santa Rosa still exists. It is the online portal at this point. I haven't heard whether they brought the app back. I don't think they have. I think it's just online portal. Okay. Member Ron, Sierra hand up for a question. Yeah, I was just going to add to that. I use the my Santa Rosa app online all the time. The biggest issue now is that when you use it, once it's sent to a department for whether it's potholes or we had drug payload familiar behind my office. Yeah, fun stuff. And so, but once it's sent to somebody, it gets dropped off my Santa Rosa app now because it's been assigned to somebody. The only time you really know that it's finished is when you actually see the pothole fixed or the needles gone. So it is somewhat defunct, but transportation does have a website. They have four people that are designated to cleaning up the city. And that's something that works real well. And so if you see, and that's the kind of things that would be good, a newsletter or something that comes from CAB that talks about these things. Cause right now I'm navigating through phone trees and nobody in person. And I mean, just to fill out a permit for me for my company, it's takes twice as long now. So to have a one pager that kind of takes people to where they need to go would be another something worthwhile. Cause I know that there was a sidewalk damage in front of my house. And I emailed that website and immediately it was, I came by at home the next day and they had already patched the sidewalk. So that goes along with chairs and couches and stuff that's laying on the curb. That's all I had just to add that. Thank you. Member Ron. Chair Graves is here, hands up for a question. I'm not quite sure. Wigali asked a question of us and just a suggestion that I had for question being, you know, what kind of tactics could the staff develop so that it would help us to better serve the community or better connect with the community going into 2022 and long sought after, you know, lists of active neighborhood groups that hold meetings when their meetings are so that we could, you know, really plug into that. I realized, you know, I know a few myself from being in those neighborhoods but we don't all attend neighborhood meetings at this point. And I think going into 2022, there's gonna be some in person there's gonna be some that's still virtual and there's probably more neighborhoods than what we even know of as a collective as a board. So I think that would be something that would be extremely helpful. So that's a great point. The cab previously actually did put that together as one of the first things they did for their strategic plan back in 2019, I think. So that list exists. I will send it out to the cab to please take a look at it and make sure it's up to date. If you notice anything's missing, let me know we'll add to it. The city regularly utilizes that neighborhood list for various projects, by the way, they find it very useful. So it is an incredibly robust list. It not only has neighborhood groups but it has community groups, business associations, other school related groups. The group, the cab subcommittee that put that together went all out on it. So we'll get that out to everybody. That would be a great asset to have maybe quarterly for us to look over at anything too or maybe to even be on a shared site that we could all view. So that as we make updates, those updates are available to everybody and maybe lessen their work just a tad bit. Just a suggestion on that. Yeah. Thank you, Chair Graves. I don't see any more questions for now. So with that, I think we'll open it up for public comment, if there are any. We do have one hand raised for public comment. If I can go ahead and share my screen. Gregory will go ahead and unmute your mic here in just a moment for you to speak. All right, Gregory, and you will have three minutes as per usual. Thank you. It's actually the most time of any public body around there usually slipping it down to a 92nd thing. I'm gonna try to use it as valuably and as importantly as possible. You have three areas in which you have power or three areas that dictate your power. And the first I wanna mention is your history and why you were set up and what city council members think of you. You were set up in order to be able to not make districts in the city. You're the excuse for them not doing it for a long time. You're the answer to how do we get people involved? And we at Santa Rosa together have lots of old cab members on it. And we've got the history of how much you, the cab has been belittled by the city council. Every one of them in the last 20 years has been basically having a different view of what you should be doing. And you have no credibility on the city council from my point of view because they have not given you clear understandings of what you're supposed to be doing. The only thing you're supposed to be doing is what's in the charter. That's your powerful arm because the charter said you should do some things that some people thought of and I don't think quite thought all the way through but they thought you should be doing the CIP. So Jason, who's leaving actually has used you to be able to satisfy his citizen engagement. The correct department and the water department and the every other department doesn't have an excuse to come to you. But Jason does, get rid of it. Let all departments have their own civic engagement and have it be done well. Second, yeah, that quorum thing is in the charter. No other city council or city commission has a quorum based on a majority of the possible. It has a majority of those that exist. So right now you'd have a far less quorum amount if it wasn't in the charter. So I guess what I'm finally trying to say is you have complete control over what you want to have you and future cabs be responsible for and have to do and that's putting it in the charter. If you wanna be on that police board or wanna be the police board, put it in the charter. Figure out what you think the community wants and dictate that it happened by putting it in the charter. Now that's pretty bold of me to say everything you wanna do ought to be in the charter because it could screw you up. So think hard and long about what you wanna make a future cab board have to do. I wish that the folks who were talking about quorums long ago had thought about what the impact of all of those meetings you couldn't even take in action because of somebody's stupid idea a long time ago. Think hard about where your power is. Your power is also in the community. It's also in Santa Rosa together. It's also in every cab member who has ever been on there. We want you to succeed. Thank you, Gregory. All right, are there any other public comments? There are no other hands raised for public comment. All right, with that, let's bring it back to cab. So we've all heard from Gregory, which is exciting that we have public comments today. And he makes a good point, right? It's about what we want to bring to the table. And with setting our priorities for 2022, I think it would be, it would serve as well as cab if we decided to focus on items that can be brought to the charter review. And then we present them as cab to the charter review. And now whether or not they get adopted, that's beyond us, but we can definitely advocate for the things that we think need to change within the city and within the charter, right? So that's something I think should be part of our strategic plan. On the CIP subject, frankly, I don't know enough to have a strong opinion, but I see that Chair Graves has a strong opinion one way and Chair Barnett has a strong opinion another way. So that's something we again need to discuss as a board and have to make it one of our priority settings for this year or not, right? Chair or a member Baldenegro, I see you have your hand up. So go ahead, we're now in discussion. Vice Chair Innocentio, I agree with you completely. And Gregory, thank you for your comments and your feedback. We will review all of this and we'll take it into consideration, but we do have some work to do. So thank you for that and for being involved and being engaged. And let's see what we can do, Jorge, let's move forward. Vice Chair, your music. Oh, it's the first time that's happened to me in all the pandemic. So I'm a little frustrated. But remember, Ron, go ahead. You're muted. First time for me too, not. Do we have a timeline for how long the charter review process is when the deadline is and what their milestones are? I think that was definitely part of what we were gonna be bringing forward the next time. And actually even before that, once we're able to get our meeting with city attorneys to Gallagher, that is one of the first questions that we will be asking as well as how can, what is the process for CAB members to be involved and also in general, what is the process for community members to be involved? So we will be asking those questions for sure and having an answer for you. Hopefully for our next meeting, if not by our next meeting. And I mean, obviously sooner the better because it would be a shame that we put all our efforts into something to find out that we've already missed the boat. For sure. Okay, thank you. I will do my best to get an answer for you guys emailed out before I leave next week. So hopefully we'll get that answer. Okay, thank you, member. We'll answer the question or the comment. Any other questions? And while you're thinking of them, I have kind of a question here too. Danielle and Magali, what are you looking of from us from CAB for this agenda item? Is this just a discussion or are we? Really quick going back to the last question. It looks like, so the link that member Barnett put in the chat, the website says that the committee is expected to have completed its work sometime in the spring of 2022. So my next step is to get a clearer date for you on what spring 2022 means. So stand by on that. As far as what we need from the CAB, this is your opportunity to throw ideas out there for next steps for what you want to do moving forward. So it could be anything that you've discussed tonight. It could be what Gregory brought forth. He was absolutely correct. You have the power to decide what you're gonna do. 100%, you can decide if you would like to bring forth recommendations for amendments to the CAB's portion of the charter, you can absolutely do that. So this is your opportunity to throw those ideas out there. Just brainstorm at this point and then you can prioritize after that. And just to kind of add to Danielle's point before Danielle and Danny throw tomatoes at me. This is a good time to ask staff or what are the tools and resources that we could provide you all to get us to the next step, right? So if your step is we, here's a strategic plan that there was some motion but then the pandemic happened. You wanna complete that strategic plan or maybe it's like, you know what, that strategic plan like someone mentioned earlier is not up to date with a lot of the work that's happened. So maybe we're looking at how do we build a new strategic plan? So we just wanna make sure that we give you the tools that you need to just like activate under sort of this new dynamic and structure of, having to be fluid in whether we can really go out or not go out. If that changes, if it doesn't change but that we can still operate, right? Yeah. Thank you, Miley. Cheers, Reeves. Thanks. I hope to get us started here a little bit. Just throwing out those brainstorm kind of thoughts. Strategic plan is another huge lift and takes more than one meeting in general I've seen organizations do strategic plans over a get together that is a day to two days long. And I hesitate in throwing out our strategic plan although I don't hesitate in making an addendum or making edits or changes to it but starting from scratch and creating another strategic plan I think in the midst of all of this may be a little debilitating for us and moving forward. So just putting that out there, there's one suggestion for it. So it sounds like almost like reviewing the strategic plan that we currently have rather than a brand new one. Is that what you're saying? I just wanna make sure I understood it, right? Yeah, as much as that could be done and adding on some, I'm gonna say it may be COVID friendly strategies within that would be applicable. You know, I hesitate to think that these restrictions that we have on us now are gonna be sustained a whole another year or beyond that. So I hate to throw out a five year plan but I think that we do need some new energy and some new strategies right now to get us through it. Thank you. So, Kev, any other, we're brainstorming here so it's open discussion, please. Let's not participate as we can. And let's see. Oh, I have a question. How many are in favor of keeping what is in the charter currently as the focus areas for the cab? No changes to the charter whatsoever. Keep it as is. Then we can work off of that and the strategic plan to build our priorities for next year. I don't know if we can take a vote on something without like a discussion around that. I'm not asking for a vote. I'm asking it like kind of as a temperature check to get the discussion going. So I guess the question that you're asking is are we as cab open to, is anybody currently on cab okay with keeping this existing embodiment of cab right going into the charter review process? Sure, I think we could start there. Member Bardonette, I see your hands up. And member Bardonette, bro. All right, so here's my pitch is dumping the mandatory four meetings a year, the community open house meetings a year. And if there's pushback on that, I would say then we request to flip the script where we as a board go to a community meeting.  But the first thing I would say is dump those four mandatory open house meetings per year because it's a huge bandwidth pull for not just the board but for the staff. And you have the stats from the last year that we did those meetings and we would have anywhere between 11 to 36 people show up and we would call and pull staff from across the board, city departments, plus the office community engagement, plus you were doing press releases, plus you were doing like multiple announcements through multiple agencies. And community engagement never got a budget or a designated staff person just to do the media and the publication it's all fallen on Danielle. So my first request would be dump those four mandatory meetings off of the things cab has to do. And then secondary to that, I would say rather than having us target CIP, the big overarching piece, I would put this. I feel like if CIP has to fall in our peer purview then we get a piece of the CIP budget to work with in a participatory budget process. In other words, you want us to do the work, give us the power and the power is give us a line on a budget out of CIP that we as a board have control over in the terms of community improvement. There you go. So I would rewrite it and push back that way of saying, you want us to do the work, you want us to do the side piece with the CIP component, give us line on a budget authority that we would then be able to take out to the community as give us the carrot. How about that? Those are my two. Thank you, Member Barnett. Those are great points. Member Balanegro. Member Barnett has been a part of this cab much longer than I have been. So I agree with her comments, but my thing is that you always want to review where you're at each year, right? Or every two years, you want to review what works, what doesn't work. We always want to improve our process. So I'm a big believer in this. And so whatever we can do to improve the process for next year, let's get on board and do it. Thank you, Member Balanegro. I'm not seeing any other comments right now. So what I'm hearing so far is, and I liked all these ideas as well, right? It's removing the four meetings per year, right? And I guess this answers the question. Actually, let's just, can we do a small roll call of if we'd like to focus on revealing the existing charger for a cab, right? So all the suggestions we're having so far point to the fact that we do want to change it, right? So I just want to get kind of a visual confirmation from all cab members. Is that how we're feeling? That we would like to focus on trying to change it? Okay. Hold on. Oops, I'm wrong. Did you? I just said, I don't think you can make a vote on that. We're not making a vote we're appealing advisory board as well. So I just want to make sure we're getting like a, right? If we're at, as a board, do we agree on this, right? We're not really, you know, it's not binding, right? It's okay, great. So it sounds like we do all agree for the most part on this. In a sense, you know, maybe we can just stay away from saying we all agree because I don't, I just don't see again, the voting issue. We're not voting and not everybody nodded or raised hands or anything like that. So it's just hard to say maybe moving forward if we could make a list of items like charter, our own cab, charter review, that would be a priority item or an item moving forward in 2022. The strategic plan review in 2022, make a somewhat of a list and go from there potentially. Okay. Let's answer, okay. My question would be, don't we have to first agree that we want to change the existing strategic or priority settings that we have? I don't know that we need to agree that we're going to change it, but we are saying there's enough people that are mentioning that it's something to look at. As staff, that's going to be helping you move this forward. I'm really unclear as to what you guys want to do. Yeah, sorry, it's very unclear on what the direction is. So I'm taking a lot of notes, but I don't know. There's no direction yet. We're still trying to gather that as a board. Yeah. Let me propose a direction. I propose that we at the future meeting take a closer look at what needs to change in the charter review and what can do as a committee at the cab to go in that direction. So there's no decision made, but let's put this on the agenda for a future meeting. Thank you, Member Bultonaker. Okay, so we're going to put this on a future agenda to look at what we're wanting to change, right? And the scope of that will include what we've discussed so far. Is that clear? Yeah. So with that also, so that I understand what you all would like to change regarding the current charter requirements for cab, right? That's one thing. And then also any, if you would want to make amendments to the strategic plan, right? That's two. And then third would be a list for cab suggestions or inquiries regarding the new charter review. Did I get that, right? Yes, that sounds right to me. But I would also like to include, because I heard other members talk about it, the proposal by a public commenter regarding looking into neighborhood councils and what that would take. So I just want to make sure that that's included in those three items. Okay. All right. Chair Graves. Yeah, I think not only that neighborhood council, but just looking at, strongly do agree with the neighborhood council. I want to be clear on that, to look into that and how to bring that forward if that results in our discussion of that. But also just other points of interest from the community about the charter review. Having a meeting potentially centered around that, us bringing back community input around the charter review and or how to get people into the charter review process. Okay, so Danielle and Magali, does that give you what you need from the discussion? Thank you. All right, so I don't believe there's a vote in that case or anything, since it's just a discussion. So this will conclude item 6.2. Thank you all for all the input and for bearing with the discussion. I'm still learning a lot of this, so thank you all. And item 6.3 is going back to Chair Graves. Thank you Vice Chair Anasensio. Thanks for doing a great job on that, containing all of that and making it fruitful. Item number 6.3 is honoring member Harper. Vince Harper was a CAV member. I don't know how many years, 10 years more. 10 years. And as you heard Danielle say, we lost member Harper just recently after a long battle that he had with his health. So we've been missing him for a year now, basically since April of 2021. So this was brought onto the agenda so that CAV members could bring ideas to the table about how as a CAV, we could honor member Harper. His service and community is renowned. If you have read the newspaper, if you've seen different social media posts, if you were lucky enough to work with Vince or no Vince, it's just tremendous. How much he affected our community, he affected so many individuals, so many young, individuals in business and a community engagement. And he was always a ray of light on the cab. He was the first person I knew that was on the cab and sparked my interest in it. So I used to open it up at this time. I would love to hear if you have anything to say about how to honor member of Vince Harper and member of Alden Edwin. If there's a way that I don't know if this is with the CAV purview that we could have an award in his honor, like the Vince Harper award that we give out annually to a member of the community, I think something along those lines would be great because Vince was a good guy and he deserves this and much, much more. So true, thanks for that suggestion. Vice chair, actually I'll go member Burnett first. So the hard part for me with all this is Vince was about the work and he was about multi-generational change in the community and the loss of him is gonna have a ripple effect that I think a lot of us, it's hard to even put a scale on and I don't know if as a board we have the authority to go to the council but for me, I feel like to do something meaningful and impactful it would be going to the council for creating a standalone grant project in Vince's name that has to do with community improvement. It has community impact and I've thought about this and the idea that I have is audacious but so was Vince. So I'm gonna try for it of asking the council to earmark $2 million out of the PGD settlement funds for a community improvement grant in his name and have it be an annual grant to the tune of $100,000 so that it's impactful and has the ability for an organization to do something real and that the fund would be there at that level in perpetuity of at least we'd have it available for 20 years and hopefully in that 20 year framework the organizations that benefit from it we figure out a way to continue it but I feel like someone like Vince, he was so much more than and the thing about Vince is that it was the work and I know especially with him of that I know he would say something of like I don't want an award in my name, right?  I know that's what he would want because that's what he did his entire career and I feel like that's something that we as a city can do to give them a lift. I think it's something that we can do to do something that is going to make the finance team uncomfortable frankly and I think that something that we as a board could bring forward and say, yeah, be uncomfortable with it because it needs to happen and the work needs to continue and the amount of loss this community is experiencing right now, this is a drop in the bucket for the work that Vince was doing because he was involved in his work alone was 10% of what he was doing in this community and it was extraordinary and the organizations he was a part of that loss I kind of feel like a $100,000 a year grant program is a drop in the bucket for the work that he was doing and I'm grateful that there's going to be a scholarship fund in his name but I just, I feel like for who he was and for what he gave to this community that we need to do something bold and something audacious and something that speaks truth to power and gives multi-generational impact. So that's my recommendation. You're on mute. Sorry, I was just saying that I got out of a whole new box for this agenda item early on. So thank you, I appreciate your thoughtfulness and that suggestion and I appreciate that you thought big and that it cast a really wide net because Vince was one person but his net was bigger than our community. It cast itself so wide. It affected so many people and the longevity is huge. First time I met Vince, I just couldn't share this. Maybe this will get some more suggestions going. First time I met Vince was actually over email. I was working for a company here in Santa Rosa doing marketing for a retail company and he wanted to bring eight to 10 youths to check out our system to keep tobacco products or alcohol products out of reach of teens. So is it by the cash register? Is it easily accessible? Is it something that our eyes are on and that you have to show your ID for and whatnot? That's a scary thing as marketing person. Really scary thing. Because you're like, are we doing it correctly? Are we right? Are all systems on go? And we're gonna get audited by this gentleman and these teens and he's gonna be sending it into the state and Vince, not only in emails and phone calls made me feel comfortable with the process but he brought in eight to 10 youth into this high impact zone for a retail company. And they did their work. They obviously felt comfortable. They were engaged. They asked amazing questions and that is just such a worthwhile experience. That is what he provided for people. He was not the person who did Vince himself. He enabled and gave power to people to do things for themselves and to be part of the process and to be engaged and to question and to bring back information. So I just wanted to share that in hopes that maybe that brings other suggestions. We've got already great suggestions if we wanna stop there. Is there any other hands up Vice Chair Innocentio? To add to the already great ideas. Can we rename the cab grants to in honor of Vince? No, I know for a very long time I first met him at LC Allen when I was a student there and even though it's something small I think that'd be a really nice way for cab to honor him by renaming the cab grants to something in his name. Thank you Vice Chair and member Rodriguez. I'm sorry I didn't see that hand up earlier. I thank you and I definitely second Vice Chair suggestion and served up telling on what member Barnett was saying is he was about service. So there's already a day of service tied into the community. I know County just hands it off to County but on a day of service maybe we use those funds from member Barnett's idea and tied into a day of service. So that way there is a project in his name and it could be grant funded but it's a way to also get people out working and doing something already around a larger community movement. So sort of bringing those all together. Thanks. Thank you for that suggestion. Great suggestions so far and I really love the span of suggestions as well. I necessarily believe that we need to narrow it down to one. I think multiple avenues of pursuing some of these ideas could work and be beneficial. So is this something that we need to bring forward a motion on this Danielle? Is this something that we could revisit at another meeting? What was your expectations around this? Yeah, I think that we probably need to do a little bit more research just on the back end especially around renaming the grant program. I don't see a problem with that. I think you're gonna find support with all of the council members but just figuring out the process and then also looking into member Barnett's idea of the larger grant program and infusing more funds into that. So I think we can do a little bit of research on our end and then bring that back so that the chair can make a final decision on how they wanna move forward. Yeah, and as you say that Danielle it just strikes me to be aware also events served a good amount of time also with the merit award committee and just to be maybe inquisitive about what other groups in the city or the city itself may already have some plans or whatnot just maybe bring that information back as well. I was actually thinking the award idea would be really great for the merit award committee to take on. They have the community hero category but I mean he was a community hero. So renaming that category in his honor too might be something that we can do. So I'll check with them. Great, thank you. I thank you everyone for by sharing a sense of, do you still have a hand up?  Yeah, I just, it was a brief idea but it's not for a cab but it would be cool if we could explore redaming or the city could explore redaming one of our unnamed parks after Vince and it would be a great idea as well. We have some parks that are just geographical named Northwest, Southwest, South Africa but I just want to put that out there. Oh, sorry. There we go. Great, glad I saw your hand there. That's a great suggestion. So it looks like we have a kind of a bountiful amount of suggestions and Danielle looking forward to hearing what you can bring back to us on all of that. So at this time, do we have any public comments on this agenda item 6.3? Sorry about that, couldn't unmute myself. We do have one hand raised for public comment if you'll give me one moment to pull up the screen. Gregory, we'll go ahead and unmute your microphone and you'll have three minutes to speak. Yeah, thanks. This'll be short. I knew Vince and I go back about a dozen years when I was chair of the board of the Federal Poverty Program and he was a staff member there. He's been very active as you all testified and I'm really glad you're all beginning to sort of as I could describe, feel your roads. I've directed you in the sense of what you could get accomplished on the charter, but I want you to understand that the more you get credible, the more you start actually doing and recommending things, the more the city will take you seriously and all those suggestions you're talking about will become reality. You will become powerful enough to ask and get results. And that's what we all want. We want you to represent all of us, to listen to all of us and we want you to get successful. And starting with the charter and moving on to other things and really demanding what you want. And with all of us behind you, we think I think you can get a lot done. So keep the imagination going and good luck. Thank you. There are no other hands raised for public comment. Thank you. We move on to future agenda items. One of our last items here. This is an opportunity for us to go over what are the proposed items at this point and also as the board and board members make suggestions for future agenda items. So that part in the presentation of setting the agenda, this is it folks. Q4 in January, which our next meeting is scheduled for January 26th, 2022. That's the fourth Wednesday. We'll be going over the community improvement grant applications and the selections for funding. So if you prepared in your email box to keep an eye on that between now and January 26th, Danielle sends out all the grant applications that are up for funding that are complete. And we look over them prior to the meeting and then in the meeting, we have a discussion and we can vote on the approvals for those applications. So it sometimes can be a lengthy read, but well worth it. And if there's any trenches amongst us this holiday season, I'll make your heart grow three times and to read all of these great applications. And the next few items are just to be determined. So these suggestions that community agreement strategic plan. So that's from our community engagement team, I believe from the city, our city diversity equity and inclusion initiatives, as well as our homeless count presentation. So those are pencil in right now, those last three to be determined. Are there any suggestions from our CAB members for future agenda items? Senator Barron. I actually have a question for Danielle. With the homeless count, I'm dating myself here with the last time Jenny presented. I wanna say it was 2018, but the count happens in January and it's by a law every two years, but I believe in Santa Rosa, I believe so many counties still does every year, but I wanted to know Danielle, can you find out if they're gonna need volunteers to the count? Cause it happens in January when they do the count, when they do the county wide count. So I think step one is, you know, obviously the presentation, finding out if they're gonna need volunteers for the 2022 count and then letting the CAB know, because I know that the volunteers that do go out and do the count with the social workers, it's a very powerful testament to the reality of homelessness in Sonoma County. And so I would love to know if we have a date and if they are having open availability for volunteers for that, so I think it would be something to be very enlightening for any CAB member, especially before that presentation. Yeah, I can get that info. Thank you. Thank you, Member Barnett. And I've done that count and I know that I did it in February. So, and that doesn't mean it doesn't usually happen in January, but it sometimes gets pushed back, it gets pushed around sometimes. So, but it is a worthwhile experience to do more than once, at one. So, any other, any suggestions for future agenda items? I don't see any hands raised. I know that we just put a lot kind of in the hopper as far as, you know, things coming down the pipe for what we want to accomplish. So, how to put that in the agenda for the next, you know, January, February, March with all of these priorities that we've had. I would just, my suggestion would just be that we work on them sooner rather than later, that we don't let time waste on that. And as we get, you know, there's some things that got mentioned during this meeting, like the liaisons for the community improvement grants and the, I know there was another one. Oh, also the neighborhood association meetings, as we get that information out there and as we're able to plug ourselves into that, it'd be great to leave room in the agendas for us to report out on that as well. So, no other suggestions from board members? I didn't see any hands. So at this time, are there any public comments for future agenda items? There are no hands raised for public comments. Thank you. So our last item is our adjournment. This is where I'm gonna give our new CAB members maybe a nod and allow for a motion to dismiss. Member Bartholow? Bartholow, you got it. You got it. Would you like to make a motion to adjourn? I make a motion to adjourn our meeting tonight. Thank you. I remember Rodriguez, would you like to second that? I will gladly second tonight. Thank you. Thank you all for the meeting tonight. Thank you for your time, your energy. Please stay safe, happy holidays. Our meeting is adjourned.