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That's really the break that only the The only break that has a lot of spots left 23 to go on a 10 box Baseball there is a box of There is a box of 2018 Bowman jumbo in that everybody that is Shohei Otani live autos Live autos of Shohei Otani Not redemptions not expired redemptions. They're alive autos in there There's a box of definitive in there as well My boy got interviewed at the Cowboys game today God this kid's a mess Yeah, I have no idea what you're saying brother is probably even more of a mess That's never good this Cowboys fan was awesome Good luck here everybody. Let's do it. It's your boy. I can't stand him dude Joe Whitman first chapter Riley first reflector I really The longer he's been in the league the less of a fan. I've been to that guy one ninety-nine TJ Walton gradient paper. He's such a Nozzle first base auto is Joe Vatrano for the Dodgers First Seth Keener and Zach Thornton. I want Sam calling you a nozzle. Yeah I thought he's wearing a bluebell ice cream hat for a second He'd be less of a nozzle if he did that Teal wave Cole Carrington 125 for the Rockies First Matt Shaw and Felton Celeston. No, not dead ones Jeremiah. Not dead on it. Nope. Nope. Nope. Very much live very much live Very much TJ Walton first. Yeah, there's something passive the other day those My buddy was like losing his mind over he was talking to Aaron You know as much as the doctors or something It's all T bottom William Brigoya No, he doesn't know he does I'll take some flowberry chain You know how I roll for us just became a member again Rock of fortnight flowberry party ever get into a game with Sean with one of those Confirmed nonsense on that. Yeah, I could see that First base auto is Kate Denton that happened on last Wednesday. I was Enthusiast yeah, I think so. We're playing last one. It's not so I drew Gilder kind of went off last one Jonah Cox are your presentation. Oh, is that the the video? Yeah, I am the I'm the cover athlete of the best breaker list Card lines best, but what's that? I don't even know I saw the is it a YouTube video? It was like, I don't know some sort of 199 years old I think and I was on it I don't know I didn't really look at it to be honest Yeah cover athlete, look at you Devons help D bond Now I did that is Kate Denton. Now I told him about his intro sir Subs, thank you forest. Let's go forest Is that random sound going off today it is Brayden Taylor first base auto nice one there for the race Jackson Wiggins why a cruel is it is it going today? Let's go. Oh my god. It's so loud dude. It is so There's a lot louder than all the rest the loudest even It was glitched the other day too after After I did it it kept going Love the new member sound because for Jay with the last three spots in Upper-deck skybox for the first one sold out. I was first for Chris Appreciate you buddy. Someone ban him ban him mods Almost had the IRL band for us yesterday when we walked in no real reason, but I figured You hate to see that noise in on that noise in the IRL band somebody Yeah, we're gonna start I gotta start carding people again with my yellow card. Oh, no. Oh, is it gone? All right, we got we we're bringing back the yellow and red card again today. Is it gone Auto piss my yellow and red card was gone. There's first Kemp alderman and Luisa Espinosa Magic plus six tonight. No, we're getting pizza That's so catchy dude You're on what's brown Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw you the whole time Sam during the game too. Yeah, Heather was wearing red Pretty sure I saw you were like on the screen like the entire really. Yeah I don't know if you knew you were on the screen the entire time it's on their cubs That is first of Rockerizio first Jacob Wilson and Hunter Owen So I got I saw a guy in all black like this every time the hawks did something That can't that's got to be Sam. It was I wasn't being like if the anytime the hawks hit like a big shot I would not want it like celebrate. I just like very very like I feel like right here my hand T Mac was there, bro, you know first base I was that for it. I did yeah, you don't want I know you celebrate well T Mac was a hawk at one point I wasn't Marcus Brown Levi. Well, it's very end of his career. He was yes Although they did honor Ryan Anderson that was pretty sweet and I was like when Ryan Anderson came out. I was like, yeah, right Anderson, let's go Love Ryan Anderson dude. He was such a stud for you guys and the Rockets and the pelicans pelicans Yeah, Christian Apzic and Colson Montgomery. I still been Hornets, yeah, he I think he was I he might have been both He might have been he might have been still there when they rebranded The tornado true green sands of all of the 99 First Barofin and Jacob gravy. Hey, man. I even played a nine man. So Magic tornadoes. I know Kia, Senor will withstand it Savakul and Jova Toronto to 125 dress doors putting him and jet the met wounds Bird And personals are full for tonight everybody I will try to get to everybody if not it'll go tomorrow with Kyle. That is Carson Rock of fortnight What up Jason Xanermuth and Jason Woodward Jason on himself. Uh, it's a huge break on Saturday night I saw that well pukinakua colorblast action for him. Okay action puka auto Look at everything first base auto is Ethan O'Donnell Grats on that one. Yeah, different. Yeah, right. Yeah, Chris Anderson's birdman Mahoney and Colin O'Halloran Ryan Anderson's a sharp shooter. Yeah. Yeah dead eye in the corner Jackson Wiggins to 99 paper true green First baton see and Brian. Yeah, the next break is sold out 10 bucks Tuesday. That's baseball It's really what we need to move today. Everybody first of Joe Redfield Congrats on that one First of Ledbetter and Meyer. Yeah, I think yeah, we didn't do any on Sunday How do we not do any on Sunday? Then? Yeah, there's probably still probably still catching up from around Sunday 22 to go on 10 bucks now everybody. Let's go 22 to go on 10 bucks baseball very nice. I Dislike the jersey. I'm sorry Nathan. Got a rock say Got a rock say Yes, I got you Jason Soccer breaks back. I agree. I know we got it got away for stuff to come out. That's a thing. There hasn't been anything What before top to a memo less was the last thing that came out from Berlin or finest Bundesliga finest Probably finest Let me let you know where you're at Jason. Yeah, I'll be able to get to you tonight Jason your prism. Yeah, should be good I get as long as you stay on schedule, which I assume we will Could have picked a better. Yeah Yes, for sure, Nathan Green there Clifford and It won't be till a little bit later Jason I'm thinking more like 1 a.m. Eastern time I would I would imagine 499 Brady Smith Paul Wilson for the Tigers to 71 on the Mini Diamond daughter First the food a pole and Joe Whitman Tiger, huh? Assumed it was Owen Daniels. Yeah, actually a lot of people think it's Sam cook our former punter who are number four That's what's that's what it probably should be.  I'm not she did Jason We hit you a color blast in a one-box personal Thornton and TJ. Well, and that'd be insane. I Don't know. What do you think the Bears are gonna do with the number one? Trade it think so probably That is far mellow on the lunar glow Probably trade it cause yeah, maybe it's a quarterback Because you could just I mean you could just keep building draft picks up on draft picks with that Thunder right kind of McGraw to 499 first refractor out for the manners. That's on that metanus And Owen Quinn McDaniel almost said Owen Daniels Gradient paper is chase to warsky to 199 Yeah, they should too That is mood ring of Jacob Gonzalez. I Think they should take I should keep Justin's feelings, too. It's like it's there's too much like We could get Caleb Keon and DJ more is Andrew Lindsay that would be kind of insane dude Chase Davis and you on your burgers like neighbors Anyone except for Marvin probably Fields New England Yeah, here later Try not to yeah, try not to it's gonna take more than a storm to do that little baby storm Roman Anthony to 199 Cheerio and John Cox. Yeah, he definitely needs some help. Oh, yeah Hunter Owen Langford Noble Meyer and Travis, honey Jackson bowmeester first base auto nice one there for it the Orioles draft Caleb Marvin Campbell You'll be like the Texans last year picking what second and third? Yeah, kind of hit home runs on those picks though They bomb those Blake Mitchell and Zach Levinson bomb in a good way, obviously It absolute bombs with those picks should say I suppose 22 to go everybody on 10 bucks Tuesday at baseball 22 to go You might be in the Facebook master today. Yeah, we're still not logged in over here The next case Moodering is Paul Skeens Tommy Troy Ethan O'Donnell first and Dylan case that That is Quinn McDaniel to 499 Yellow Lunar glow or yellow Lunar cratered 75 type heat for the Mariners Tommy Hawkins in the moon, you know, so we got some Lots of pretty fire cards on golden this we got a Rodney Stuckey one of one Geez for for $49. There we go Not a lot of Rodney Stuckey high-end Floating out around there is on Zonatella Charlie Soto and Hans Monterra little Bob Gibson Tops update SP PSA 10. Okay. Well, this is some nice stuff in there first base out of Jase Barofin going to do Jase that's around Waldrep and Guanypa Thursday night action Very golden. Oh, yeah Be heavy on a Thursday night golden action this week. Oh Wilson and Connolly early. It's bad day to be a card First refractor Otto Cole Miller to 499 that's going out to the A's Ready Smith and TJ Nichols Xavier Isaac to 199 for the race base first of Blake Mitchell and Emmett Olsen That is a Max Clark image variation Congrats on that one Good good good good good good Bertha Rios and Drew Jones, John Spencer This got mods please him out as Brooks Lee, Lunar Glow, Vaketo, Max Clark and Carlson Reed First base out of Grant Taylor for the White Sox Stuff there Chicago Connor Burns and Nelson Reda each train That's Tommy Troy each train. What's up, buddy? Foster and base. How we doing? How we doing? Mod me out now I don't see a sure I didn't record it. What's our house to 199? Valuable member of the mod community or vat and how you the timing out jumbo Diaz Yeah, I guess actually that's kind of legit That is your responsibility is gonna do it keep jumbo Diaz and check on both channels Just times out late Yes, I'm into it lastly Like Kyle unranked Cincinnati is favored by four over ranked Texas easy money. Oh There you go. Well, all right Which way is easy money to Cincinnati it should be good Chesh try um try exiting out and re-entering Re-entering the stream that sometimes that'll happen Jonah Cox to 99 or turn your potentially turn your your quality up to That is a Jason Woodward sky blue chrome Rainer Arias Paul Skeens first refractor Cincinnati. All right Betting since I okay. Tell me twice. Okay Interesting interesting first refractor is Mike Bovee to 499 Roger the doorstop snakes. Yeah, what can I get some of those crocs just in case it's that rainy, dude? I might need to I might need to float on out of here Crocs, man, whoo, they're kind of hard some heat That is a Gruyere's and cold-carried first refractor Yeah, I usually look at those and go what's going on with this? Why are they are they favorites? Yeah, what do they know that we don't it is usually what I Purple Ken and I actually to start thinking and base that's Kate Denton and Rock Regio First base autos max Anderson for the Tigers. That's on that Detroit And Joe Redfield Paul Skeens And first refractor of Garrett for us there yellow lure glow to 75 Brady house Romero and Johnny Farmella first refractor first refractor skill There's got plenty of skill issue this guy That is Wyatt Langford mood ring now the problem with Spencer is he has no skill and a lot of issues Boston trips are just Wiggins. That's the skill issue spent skills are the issue. Yeah There of that is Mike Bovee first on the Sparkle is furiously typing something right now my cruel and Kyfer Lord Punching the air a while typing something That is a sky blue paper to 499 Joe Whitman for the Giants Xander Muth first and Lunar Glow Jason Cheerio Liza Green and Joe Patrona Fair fair love what he uses the nerd about you. It's so funny Where's the base auto Alberto Rios? That's kind of look like any angels The ha ha ha first Garapalman and Landon Marauders Christopher J with the Orioles and a 10-box Baseball mixer spot. Thanks Chris appreciate you buddy. So we're sold out on every baseball break except TC or except 10 bucks. So we're at 21 to go on 10 box baseball now everybody keep me intended and entertain cars guys are running the show today Chop chop card boy as he says wife. Let me buy more cars here. Hey, there we go. Good stuff, Chris Yeah, it's gonna say it's been a very nice. What's up, man? How you been good to see you back, buddy? That's Torine to 199 nothing wrong with the little casino jackpaw and Mallory. Absolutely So that Kyle Hamilton 101 nice. Hell, yeah, you hit the 101 Kyle Hamilton RP. I had a NT which was really awesome very jealous of that card Marcello Marra 250. Oh, yeah, that's on that.  Yeah, it was either the vertical or the cross of the horizontal of the crossover He had his pick Taylor because one of the top five plays of the year on red zone. I thought that was ridiculous later later What's up? It was even earlier. Okay. Yeah, I know sorry for boys aren't committed to the whole thing, huh? first refractor Jacob Gonzalez Dave and Buster's card show and casino with my parents and Jace. Oh god. Oh boy. Oh boy Jake Cunningham first base auto nice one there. Oh Yeah, absolutely Bonilla and Wightlingford for even Buster's card show and Casino and dude It's like that's like that's even busters on those three See jumbo coming jumbo already said hi to us earlier.  Let's go Take that Shawn. Got him First true blue is Paul Skeens. There is a dent on it. Unfortunately. Sorry about that Pirates we'll get that or an empty box and wrapper for sure with Pittsburgh. Sorry about that It's up Dennis. How you doing, buddy? Your hundo at this show.  That's good, man Yeah, I've been selling a lot on eBay actually recently you base been picking up so my Roger Arias First refractor auto finally I've been haunting me because I bought it and I was gonna grade it and there was a huge scratch on it Hmm. I was like, I can't do anything with this I just had to sell it and I ended up losing $12 Jack.  It's true Spencer's like I just bought Xander Muth Craziest timing there, man. We'll be ordering drinks to deal with my brother-in-cousins fair. I feel that Chris Clark and Tray Morgan That's a Jake DeLeo to 499. That's yellow to 75 chase to warsky We're heading to McGraw first refractor Braden Taylor class of 23 gold to 50 congrats race. Nice one there Sorry 434 434 chase to warsky There there Hey, just cuz you come in early doesn't mean you can leave early got to be more addicted I'll be all we'll be reporting this Okay, I got you fair first lunar glow Joe to Cox Roger Garriott's and Cam Fisher kind of accurate What? Yeah I probably do the same To 1.99 Jake Cunningham First Detmer and Jackson bowmeester two boxes left everybody take my similar like place kid. We're into That's pretty fun. Yeah, that's fair fair Chris fair fair fair Tim P with a spot in a break tomorrow. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate that. I'd take down your hundred bucks on time trial half an hour Fly through Toledo for drinks in God Toledo, huh? It's a hundred dollars minimum for something. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Oh, how are in lunar glow of Ryan Clifford Jadenham and Jack one injure Jove, Toronto to 1.99 for the Dodgers All right, avoid and Brock Rodden Spencer Nivens first refractor There it is okay again everybody there is a very bad storm coming through a popka if the power goes out During the break and it doesn't come right back on like a surge Just know if like the video cuts out the power went out I'll take a picture of everything and we'll tweet it out and stuff I'll send it to a forest and rich and Hallie and everybody join a cox To let you know we haven't seen anything Homer Bush Just hope the power That'd be huge true Hachenberg first refractor. I'd be whatever Michigan town you live in Charlie Soto first base auto for the twins Grayson hit and Geron Watts Brown What? Whatever, Michigan town you're living That's the city of soft hands And Dylan Campbell, I'm pretty sure Spencer's from Akron Yeah, still want the power go out. Yeah fair. I'd say 250 Camilla Diaz. I wish I thought of that earlier Spencer It's Brady house the first of Kendall George. That is Cade Morris and Mike Bovee First base auto Michael Carricko for the Cubs Grats on that one. Oh, great. Now. We got the astute Analysis from jumbo Diaz as well Nolan McLean first refractor What's that be the brains of the operations here? That's it's fairly true for 99 is here a white White Laneford glass Manachi Tommy Troy first refractors and last yeah Be into our last box everybody So there's green grass hunter hogs to 99 for the raise all and pull to Emerson Got Timothy P with another inception mixer spot Shen with a spot in prism ten bucks Tuesday Yeah, sapphire is gonna be fun, man. I'm excited for some sapphire. It's gonna be a good time for show The jumbo Spencer LLC. God Keep me far away from that place. There's an idea. What'd you say? There's an idea. Yeah That's a flawed one at that that is Grant Taylor lunar glow Sean Sullivan first refractor Eric Patons eat a 499 first base auto Dylan Campbell for the Dodgers card first refractor kid color hopefully Milan Andrew Lindsay first refractor AJ Ewing as well. That's good to hear Thank God 199 Michael Carricko or 225 I should say And True gold Kyfer Lord 10 of 50 on the base congrats Orioles Baltimore See Scott Jack early AJ Jason Sabacool Andrew Pinkney for that first refractor out of 499 congrats on that Baltimore. Very nice very nice Marjansson Brandon winnaker Hey Bryce Eldridge on the glass and Ty Floyd the fever first refractors True green Mac Horvath again to 99. Yeah, there's a lot of big autos and Rique Bradfield a lot of big color A lot of big orders in that little pop of the at tomorrow Jays Perofin to 1 at 99 do Jays on the gradient of paper I read louder Yeah, be a Jays Perofin first refractor auto to 499 Is a copet and tie a Pete tie a Pete All right quick recap here about 299 is Mac Horvath John Cox Jackson Wiggins Hunter Haas Sam Zavala to 75 Jason Worski type heat Brady house to 50 Kyfer Lord Autos we had Dylan Campbell Michael Carricko Charlie Soto at Xander Muth as Jake Cunningham Alberto Rios Max Anderson Grant Taylor Jays Perofin Jackson Bowmeester Joe Redfield Ethan O'Donnell Zach Thornton Brayden Taylor Kate Denton Jovi Toronto to 499 Jays Perofin Mac Horvath Mike Bovee Cole Miller Ted McGraw to 199 Jovi Toronto to 71 Paul Wilson and a 50 Brayden Taylor. So again, not the greatest case of all time I do apologize on that everybody Coming up next super jumbo. Thank you all again for getting that filled up


Hello everyone, this is Jenkins Platform SIG, we're on the 26th of September 2023 and tonight we have Hervé Le Meur, Damien DuPortal and myself. We have always the same open-action item regarding docker images and we'll talk about the ongoing work and then Java... Mark is not there and I think we addressed its subject on two weeks from there. I don't know, maybe we'll talk about that. Then we'll talk about what has been done on the controller and agent images and then we still have some time, we'll address a new topic about Helmchart and cube operators. So first thing first, container image deprecation for Blue Ocean container. It is deprecated but we haven't done yet the whole work about announcing that to the community. So most of people know but some people don't know yet. We have to do something about that. Maybe thanks to Jenkins, how is it called by the way? Jenkins improvements something? JEP? No, so it's not improvement, it's Jenkins enhancements. Yeah, that's it and there's already something that alerts you when you are using an operating system that will reach end of life or is already end of life. Maybe when using that kind of container we could do something like that or maybe that has nothing to do with that. Anyhow, we'll have to address that one of these days. Now for the JDK 21. We've been running on Jenkins Infra JDK 21 Early Access version for a few weeks now, maybe even a month, I just can't remember. And we also have some JDK 21 preview images for I think the three agents and for the controller, even for several platforms like I think we have that for S390X, ARM64, not all the platforms for all the images but nobody's asking for it. We're already ahead of the time. Anyhow, it's still Early Access, the definitive version is not yet there. On Terrain website today, we saw a new banner which was saying with a red background, we are rating access to the new Java 21 specification test before formally releasing Terrain 21. So they're waiting for a TCK, if I'm not mistaken, file sent by Oracle, which is funny because I was talking to Eclipse Committer earlier and some other vendors already got this TCK file and were able to validate their bills. But well, it will come when it will come. And what's funny also is that in their banner, they are giving three links to get access to their Early Access bills. And frankly, none of them are the one we are using. We are relying on the GitHub repo from Terrain 21 binaries. And we're not using their API, for example. We're not using either their Nightly Builds website. But we have the same binaries nonetheless. The releases published on GitHub are the same binaries we could find on those websites. So anyway, that's funny because yeah, go ahead. We are using the same binaries. In fact, their API is just a way to automatically generate the link that send you to the Terrain 21 binaries. The problem with that is that friends don't let friends use latest. You don't know what you're getting, I'm afraid. You know, you're always using the same link, which links you to the latest build, but you don't know if you have a plus 32, 33, 45. Yes, that's the same binary. It's just the front end that provides so you don't have to do the work that Stephen and you did, searching and generating the naming. You're right. That there's because we chose to use update CI, if I'm not mistaken, to grab the latest versions and that wouldn't have worked with that kind of links. We had to use directly GitHub repo. You're right. But yeah, that's the same binary. They use the GitHub repo on the back end. The link from the API when you click is an HTTP redirect to the GitHub repo on the end. If you run a curl dash, dash location, you will see the chaining of URL that ends on the GitHub repo. But as you said, it's always latest. Got it. It looks like it hasn't changed since August 11th. And that's okay. We haven't seen any newer beta since then. And that's fine. I'm waiting for the official one. And I've seen that some of the builds, because they have Jenkins to generate all that. Some of the builds are failing for some architectures. And some builds are working. And these binaries are updated, you know, for the platform that used to fail, and then they succeed, then they update the very same release. So if you can't find your working build for the time being, be patient. It may happen one of these days. Anyhow, you gave us a website to follow. It's GitHub, of course, an issue to follow. What's going on? It's much more precise. That's just me saying gibberish. So it's a list of things to do before publishing the official, if it's the right term, official tamarin release for JDK 21, or final, or something. Okay. So it's difficult to see. I don't know if you can see it. Yes, it was much too small. So most of the checkbox are checked. There are still the TCK job results. So it's a file sent by Oracle. They run a series of tests. And then we have the result pass or fail. And then, okay, why not? But no date available for the time being. We'll see. What did I have in mind? I had something. Okay, forgot. Sorry about that. Yep, whatever. Would you have anything to say about that? In particular, yeah. Okay. Just to thank you on reading some issue, looking at the ones who are closed, which are closed almost every day with people asking, where is my JDK 21 image? Yeah, now I remember. There are four levels of support, if I'm not mistaken. The P1 is the first platform they are aiming for. I think we have X64, then they have P2, which may be ARM32, Alpine Linux. No, I think Alpine Linux is even P3. It's even under. And yes, P3 for S390X, and so on. So they want to deliver the first images for the P1, then if they have time P2, then P3, and then there are the unsupervised ones. We had doubts a few weeks from now about Alpine ARM64. And it looks like the image is not always building correctly for Alpine. So maybe it won't even be P1, P2, or P3. It will maybe be unsupported. So we didn't promise anything to our end users. So maybe it will have to disappear one of these days. We'll see. Now, for 11.17.21, I don't think there is anything new in Mark's document. But I could be wrong. I think yes, we are sticking to the 2 plus 2 plus 2. And the last time we were discussing that Mark wanted to get some better diagrams for people to understand. But yes, that's something I wouldn't say revolutionary, but something pretty new for the whole Java ecosystem. And of course, for Jenkins also, we were still using GDK8. What is it? Last year, a few months ago, it was not that long away. And we're already using GDK21. We'll see. The new pace will be quite faster than what we were used to. The main goal here is also to provide deterministic change management. You know when you will have to prepare yourself to test the new version. And it's a trade-off between we have to follow the GDK update because it's an upstream project. I mean, next year, October, GDK11 won't receive any more security updates. Jenkins project must drop support of GDK11 at that date last minute. It's mandatory. We cannot provide Jenkins safely to our users if we rely on GDK without security update or support at all. So we need to follow the pace from the upstream project. But also, we need to find a trade-off to give enough time to our consumer, people who develop plugins, who will develop folks of Jenkins, or just builds or users that need to take some time before upgrading in production. We need to let them enough time. So it's a constant trade-off. Everyone wants to go either faster or in a stable way. The proposal here is that we will have the same rate as, for instance, Ubuntu, with their five-year LTS line. You know when you have to update. That's the near goal with contenting all users. Yes, you're right. Deterministic. That's much better for the end users. They can have a roadmap and know when they will have to move, not just in panicking. Oh, I didn't see the banner. Oh, too late. I will have to move to a newer version of GDK and I'm not ready to do so. Yeah, you're right. Definitely much, much better. Anything else about this subject? One, two, three, no. Okay, then at least I'll have prepared the work that has been done since two weeks ago on the agent and control images. So we have seen a few version bump on the SSH agent and the creation of GDK 21 preview images. So we had three new releases, the latest one being the 515. Oh, I think it was from yesterday. And we have PPC64, LE, F390X, ARM V7 for GDK 21, two, because of course we have ARM 64 and X64, of course, AMD 64. And it doesn't change anything for the end user, but we are now tracking the GDK 21 version just in case it would be updated. Then we moved the node alpine docker image, but it's just for the test. We just don't care. And the Debian Bookworm Linux version to a newer version. The most significant change was moving from bullseye to bookworm a few months ago. It was not weeks. No, no, weeks, weeks, weeks, okay. One month ago for SSH image, which was breaking change. It's quite recent and it's breaking. It is. We had a few users complaining about, it's not behaving the same way. And as we had a few users say that, I was, you know, complacent in listening to some other users saying, oh, I use Bookworm and my Jenkins plugin does not work anymore. For example, I had the example for LDAP. And frankly, I was eager to believe the end user thing. It's a fault of the move to Bookworm. But no, we have, what is it, thousands of users of the LDAP plugin, for example. And of course, the statistics show that lots of them have moved to Bookworm and it's working for them. So it's not linked to Bookworm. Yes, it's a breaking change, but that doesn't mean it's responsible for all things that don't work anymore for you. Yes, I got a proposal though, is that in the same way Mark is working on the GDK, I believe the ASAG platform could try to draft something about when will be the dates. Because the change is needed, as you said, but it came out of nowhere. And now we have to communicate afterwards. My proposal is that for the next major operating system for the Docker images updates to be proactive and talk about it before the change happened. And we say at that date we will default to this one. Because we treated that change as it was a normal update, which it's not. Anyway, it's just a matter of communicating and eventually write a note on the change log. The proposal is at least next time we have a pull request with a breaking change, the pull request body must have the change log written already as part of its body that say, hey, if you are using this, be careful and use the previous version. The good thing in all of this is that the user can still stick to the previous version. We have strict version. Now it's possible with the agent. So anyone can stick to a given version. If they use latest and it break, then it means their system has to be improved and not ours. Another point, one of the big changes that can already has beaten some users is that the Python installation by default is now being really, really pushy about choosing a virtual of their multiple solution. But that's a good thing because if you install a PIP package on that image, that could break the whole distribution. That's why you must stick to virtual or use PIPX if you want to have something helping you. And the reason I'm mentioning it is because we have a lot of users that need to install Python and libraries on the agents. Yes, I've been there on that. I have a set of Docker based on Jenkins that do use Python. And of course, when we moved to Bookworm, I was beaten like the others. I'm not a Python specialist, not at all. And I made a quick Google search and find the answer. But yes, I was surprised. And it wouldn't have been listed in the Bookworm change log, right? So even if we had told users here in the Bookworm change log be prepared, they wouldn't have been prepared for the Python move. It is what it is, but we can do better. Erwe is telling us that he has finally resolved Docker SSH agent Windows test, by the way, but tests are still failing on the Windows server code. Would you like to tell us anything about that, Erwe? Oh, that was just a note about some little progress. But yeah, I was happy because my tests were finally working and then I realized I commented out. So yeah. Almost there. You're progressing. And the thing is, when this test will be, will pass, I will be able to, I'll put my reflector per request in ready for review.  And it will be far more easier to, to recoup them in one repo instead of That's cool. Yeah, thank you. Because I think either of you don't like the way that we have to republish a Docker agent, because the original one has been published, a new version has been published. And so having the mono repo for the three of them will help definitely. So thanks a lot for these whole big work of refactoring. That's something that is much, much needed. Thank you. Then for the Docker agent, we also had a few version bumps and a breaking change. And we had four wheelies. So we have bumped our client. We have a manifest for Git LFS on Windows. And then we bumped it to three, four, oh, and fixed installation issue. Of course. And for JDK 21, we have added a few platforms that were not there before. And of course, a breaking change, we have moved to Bookworm. That's funny because it's way later than for the Docker usage agent. Okay, it is what it is. Did you hear any end users complaining about that move? Not yet? Nope, not yet. Okay, so it may work. Same for Inbund agent. We had a few version bumps and we also moved to Bookworm. We added a few platforms to JDK 21 preview images. And of course, bumped the parent image. As I was saying, you have to deliver a new version for Inbund agent once you have released a version for Docker agent. Yep, it is. By the way, the updates are not synchronized with the Docker agent images. We are missing two releases because the update CLI process is checking for an IRM version 7 image, which it doesn't see, but it looks like it's published, at least for the Dash 8 version. So that's most probably update key issue. I'm going to have a look on this one. I think it's minor, but yeah, we need to check. No worries. No worries. It's just a minor thing. So that could most probably be a bug in update CLI though. That has been fixed since then. So that's why I was waiting today with the last change. Got it. Thank you, Damien. And then for the controller, we had of course four new releases with the new LTS version and three other weekly versions. And the last changes we have is a bump to Devin Buchrom and the bump of UBA 2881067. Now done with the list, I'll have to prepare. Let's go to a new topic, which is Helm charts and cube operators. Spoiler alert. I don't know anything about that. So I'm showing you the issue that has been raised by Daniel Beck earlier today. And it looks like he found a bug. Yeah, go ahead. It's good. I was about to say that he opened. Can you go up a bit, please? Yeah, it's a good one. Okay. So Damien, would you have anything to add about that? So we have that question. Is the Kubernetes operator we have here project still maintained and used? And should we invite their maintainer on the platform SIG? That's a raw question. Is it part of the official Jenkins platform distribution? Is it a P1, P2, P3 project? Yeah. As a Kubernetes administrator, I tend to avoid operator as much as possible. So I don't know. I've never had a case of running a Jenkins controller that could be sold by the operator here, because it makes some special assumptions that I don't like, but that's personal opinion. It doesn't mean that you should not use. However, yeah, its contribution are decreasing. So I propose that we try to invite their authors if they want to speak about that. And if we have users of this one to encourage them to raise their concern here to see what we can do about that. Got it. I don't know them, but it doesn't mean anything. Okay. The Kubernetes operator is an alternative as the official Jenkins and chart. If you have a Kubernetes cluster and you want to spin up one or more Jenkins controllers and their agents. The idea of the operator is that you use the Kubernetes representation. And basically, once it installed, you instead of Elm installing a chart for each of the controller you want, you just provide a few YAML and you have a kubectl get Jenkins custom resource. It's not pod, it's not container, it's Jenkins managed by the Kubernetes API endpoint. That's the goal of an operator in general. Yep. I don't know much about this one. So that's why I propose we discuss because if we have someone motivated taking over the project, that's part of the Jenkins platform ecosystem because we already managed the images on the Elm chart here. So that makes sense to have them here or to write down and synchronize with them that it's not officially supported, it's just a project somewhere by someone else. It's just that it's inside the Jenkins API umbrella. Yep. You're right. So let me put an action item. Maybe for me. Oh, you see, this plugin was almost abandoned before as you saw in the contribution graph. It's from a virtual lab. So it's a company. Initially, and they have accepted a new contributor which is outside of this virtual lab. So virtual labs gave them, gave this maintenance project. So this new maintainer is motivated, but there are a lot of issues and a lot of needs from these virtual users. So, yeah. So in that case, yeah, Bruno is that okay to invite them to the platform SIG so we can get partial help from us? Not for me, of course, but yes, no problem. You're driving, you don't have to know in details every piece of technology here. I mean, I don't know system calls by her, but yeah, that would be interesting to invite them and to see the problem statement with them. Yep. So I will look at the commits and find the handle of the new maintainer and invite him directly through GitHub if I can, or I try to find him. Thank you. Oh, thank you. See you maintainer. Yep. A few words now in need of help. Cool. Thanks a lot, folks. Anything else you would like to address before we wrap it up? I take that phone. No, thanks a lot for coming to the meeting. The recording should be available from 24 to 48 hours and see you two weeks from now in the meantime, enjoy Jenkins. Bye bye.


in and show you what some of my poems are that have been that I've created. I'd really like to let you know I'm very nervous because some of the poems I haven't really fully connected with, I haven't fully memorized, but I've been practicing and I feel fairly comfortable so I hope all goes well. The first poem I'd like to start with is called Eye Music and I'd like to explain a little bit about that. When I was growing up, my parents used to travel, we used to huckle camping in different places and I really loved to lie in my parents' lap and look out the windows at the telephone wires as they went by. If you look at one place you can see them dip and grow and up and down and I love to watch them and much later I would ride on trains and the same phenomenon would occur and I decided to write a poem and I wrote this poem in English first. At that time I couldn't write an ASL until finally I saw someone signing and writing an ASL and I decided to use that method and I decided to write the poem about that experience and music. Eye music of the telephone wires like music sheets with lines that rise and quiver and sway and lower along with the passing of space and time. No ears needed to hear nor any instruments to play. Eyes are the ears and the piano and the flute are the wires and the occasional pole is the drum. Here is one bold wandering wire and now here are five dancing high and low in turns with poles and five disappearing into one again and then a crowd overlapping and then snow. So beautiful to the eye and heart. One wonders what happens inside and the next poem is called Silence O Painful. It's one of my earliest ASL poems I wrote. I was having a relationship with the man at the time and he was also deaf and we could communicate quite well but we had some terrible disputes and after that the man would walk around in the same space in the same room in the same house without speaking to me all day and it made me mad like a wall was between us and I decided to write this poem and I focused on hand shapes and placement. Silence oh painful knowing he has something to say but don't know what and knowing I have something to say but don't know how looking into his eyes a wall forms between us no more eyes passing in invisible words no more quiet heart messages exchanges touching him goose bumps up my arms no more tight hand clasps no more warm braces when he goes he vanishes getting letters signed love no more setting aside things to share why why next poem is called The Dogs. This little story behind this poem there are two deaf organizations in my home area and both of them have been established just five or six months from each other very close but they have such disputes and they wrangle because one is a deaf group that has very formally established a very business-like and they're a deaf agency and they've progressed quite well but the other is kind of low-grade kind of party kind of group very deaf very culturally deaf very comfortable while the other office is so pristine so this low this other group decide to establish their own organization organization very casual but they wrangled about money had this dispute and the program was this was destroyed in that way and I wrote this called The Dogs because I thought this one staff was like mutts and the other staff sounded like um a doberman so that's a condensed version of the story behind this poem the dust settles two dogs sit facing each other one a doberman sharp beard sleek brilliant successful the others a mutt sloppy dirty illiterate tough between them a chain at both ends they have two desperately tugged and tugged at each other but violently running around but still nothing they're bound they sit facing each other growling and the doberman says unfortunately we are dogs alike but we do not associate I resent your presence you lowly animal the mutt says you high and mighty snob I hate your guts I don't need you I kill you if I could but if he's dead I'd have to drag him damn Jane damn way uh why do we have that chain yes what does it mean chain cooperation connectedness creates freedom you notice the F handships I was playing with that came together the chain cooperation freedom okay next poem is called the glass the glass wall this poem I wrote in dedication to two women one was hearing and the other was deaf both worked with the tv news station in in california in my area they had a very successful organization and I respect both of them very well in the world but and at that time the hearing woman right before this she decided to start developing dmi for the dove and they were published they would send out news at five every five minutes once a week they would give a five minute newscast about what was going on in the world to the dove and every night they would have this five minute segment called the glass wall because it was a great idea because they saw that deaf people were very much the same as hearing people but often they couldn't communicate with hearing people as if there was a glass wall between the deaf and the hearing this timing communication that people couldn't pass through and also they explained that this deaf sign language is really great because suppose you're in a train and you're trying to communicate to someone outside the train you can just do so right through the window because you can see each other while hearing people can always say goodbye goodbye and wave goodbye over and over again but and the glass wall is a barrier also between the deaf and the hearing so there are many ideas for that so and there's another meaning for it also you'll see it within the poem so this poem is dedicated to two women thank you thank you these are gestures from our heart pouring out through the glass wall because you and you beyond the glass wall with the frame and ears have shown us that the wall will always be there but not necessarily shaded overlooked that's what we thought live news captioned impossible is possible interpreter full screened impossible is possible our own deaf newscaster is impossible it is possible that with the glass wall with the frame and the ears we could show all what we are really like and what we really need and no matter what the wall is there people beyond and people behind can reach out to each other over it thank you thank you the next poem is entitled sign is like a tree it's a little bit of a political poem is one of my earliest political poems that I wrote in ASL and you can watch and you can see many many signs and many ideas that relate to the deaf experience sign is like a tree once long ago there was a dry seedling inconsequential pressed into the darkness hidden in the midst of the dirt of bare fields for years it lay germinating and then sprouts shut up and then another and then more branches emerged and blossomed the tree became unique and lovely natural creative expressive and then structures began to encroach on the tree civilization began to surround him new trees were sown in cultivated rows perfectly trimmed and boring but people say these sequential trees are perfect people say this tree is not perfect people say this tree does not fit in with their plans people say it's people say it's a good idea to let the chimp swing in that tree people say it's a good idea to hide it away in the forest where no one can see but I disagree that's not the place it's best to let the little girl embrace the tree let it be strong and proud and tall reaching at its arms for all to see to sign next poem is entitled the wedding poem I wrote it for two christian friends of mine who were both hearing their very good friends of mine and when their work got became married they asked me to write a poem for them I thought about it for a long time and I realized they both had a very strong faith in Jesus and after I came thought about it for a while I came up with this poem that I thought blended with their beliefs and along with my beliefs also so this is a poem especially for their wedding and this poem uses stars and shapes and circles and all different symbols in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth began to turn first the sun and then the moon spilled their light onto the planet and the ocean swelled mountains rose from the earth and greens sprouted from the soil sea creatures splashed through the waters and animals danced on the land and the winged dipped into the air from God's hand came one human then another they met together in grace and then from grace they fell into rivalry injury contention hostility of addiction revenge and throughout the earth there was yearning and hunger fear rage and war they killed one another until blood ran the world then into the chaos God reached down his hand to preserve his creation with his own sweat and blood he blessed them and the blessing sparked two flames of hope that burned together building towards grace again and the ultimate sacrifice forged the rings that wed them and their wedding shed a brighter light of grace and love restored praise be to God the next poem has no title I haven't come up with one that I've decided is perfect maybe after you all see the poem you can help me out again it's a bit of a political poem and notice the rhythm in it darkness of time rose the murmur except from one oddly different the crowd stared and cried out death doors slammed sentencing separation lacking in isolation so they thought until the one found another deafness a bond not a barrier more joined us as we discovered our articulate hands and we talked in relief in our freedom of signs when stormed by anthem driven soldiers pitched to fever by the strength of their regime follow me line up now sit the captain with his whip in hand and fix his sentence speak speak speak damn your chains will pronounce our own deliverance and lock you out from lives you will not dominate in the space of our silence we grant each other sanctuary speaking easily in the language that is ours when again there was a pounding from beyond a pounding pounding was insistent but I wonder I don't know I just want to see and so step by step we succumb our silent agreement undone I would like to welcome you all to come out of your dark and silent world and join us in our bright and lovely world those who here are signing yes but such queer signs they shape what waits out there perhaps there's something we should see be careful could it be they now have different strengths cautiously we walk forward into the sterile narrow corridors the unknown maze seems endless and it is constricting us we try to run retreat but we cannot find the safety of our sanctuary and so we walk alone not knowing and the pressure stifles us enlightens with the brightness of someone beckoning burns fall away as we find ourselves released there soon will come a time when war gives way to peace when what was misconstrued is communicated and enemies become friends guns are beaten into plowshares the soon will come to pass is called to a hearing mother and I want to tell you the story behind the poem I used to work in the national theater for the deaf and there was the international association of parents for the deaf of the deaf whatever there was one woman who was the mother of a deaf boy and I used to work with a deaf man myself who had grown up orally but he could sign really well the two of us went to visit that office for some reason to bar the typewriter something to have a discussion and when we left the woman got so angry with that man the way she screamed at him was like she was yelling at her own son even though he was an adult he was 25 years old in the way she manipulated him made me so angry I thought it wasn't fair to how dare this woman treat this adult like a child I thought it was disgusting the way she treated him and and when I walked away from that I didn't know what to do with my feelings I couldn't put them down it dominated in my mind for years just a few months ago finally I got angry enough to let it all come together this is not directed towards this mother in particular but towards all hearing parents of deaf children you and I are of worlds far apart our language is dissimilar our lives always diverged you lived your life unconscious of us your knowledge of deafness consists of just of words overheard though I lived quite aware of you your world oppressed me and then you grew the mystery of a child and bore a boy deaf you were stunned and dismayed I surprised and delighted courageously you carried on yearning that he grow up in your kind I commend you but your son is living a life like mine he has your eyes your hair he's physically of you but he shares my thoughts my world view in languages he's spiritually of me he is your son but he's of my people who does this boy belong to you or me this child is like a tree if not for my people he would be hollow decaying from loneliness empty of soul if not for your people the seed has no sustenance and our noble people our language would diminish and wither our struggle for possession is a saw that slices splinters and the sapling will fall no you and I must blend our nurturing energies emerge into the soil that nourishes the tree so that he may grow to the heavens and my final poem is one entitled children's garden you know like kindergarten children's garden I've used this poem I've taken a lot of excerpts from the bible and incorporate into this poem and into images of the schools for the deaf and this is written for the 25th celebration of of children's schools and schools for the deaf because recently many schools for the deaf have become um and threatened by mainstream programs and perhaps this kind this will never happen again so I thought this performance is very important and so I'd like to perform the poem again for you many years ago in israel this man said it would be better for a man that a mill stone will hang around his neck and he be cast into the sea than for him to offend one of the little ones this man was logos the language the communication god to us we to god we to each other heaven and earth united this man we rejected killed and cast into a tomb deaf children isolated scared ashamed second-class citizens quietly gesturing there are specials flowers sewn one by one and then someone saw they needed to be planted and they grew each one beautiful red yellow blue purple orange a person came along and saw they needed learning lovingly did he replant them in a garden the deaf school scared and shocked they stared at each other slowly realizing they are family of common language people disgusted couldn't tolerate them couldn't stand the colors and preferring the bareness all around the bulldozer oral pillars swept over the garden ignoring someone's crying out in vain smashed the flowers hurting lying there someone came and nurtured them and they began to sign again and the people they couldn't tolerate it so they thought they accused the garden of a ghetto that restrained their minds and they thought you shall be brown mainstreamed and then one dark night an army with sighs sneaked in one by one they cut the flowers and displaced them all of them the red the yellow no roots to wither and die underneath the brown oppression a sacred garden grew smaller wait remember what he said it would be better for a man that a millstone were hanged around his neck and be cast into the sea than for him to offend one of the little ones inspiration we will fight blessed with the rain and sun and wind seed spread and spread and survive growing stronger morning creeps in the tombstone is cast aside this man lives and so this children's garden will live on thank you okay now we're gonna take a 15 minute break it's so exciting to be here i'm finally going to show my work to all of you and it's so incredible to see other people's work displayed and shared with each other it's unbelievable i feel like there's i feel like i'm a newborn baby and it's really exhilarating for me the first poem that i'd like to show thank you good morning and i'd like to i'm both a teacher as you can see i'm dressed as a teacher and a poet and and my vocation and i'm going to explain about my evolution as a poet and where i've come to today i grew up always fascinated in two things one of them was language and the other was theater i was fascinated in both of these fields always it started a long time ago when i was just a little girl i was only one or two years old and my mother who was also deaf was was so such a wonderful teacher for me she'd always sign and explain things and communicate and talk to me and throw signs at me and i've heard stories since the time i was a babe in my mother's arms since i was getting milk from her i started to fingerspell milk and learning stories from my mother also bernard brag was a famous storyteller in that school for the deaf where i was so i saw my as my mother holding her hand and she fingerspelled to me tree and show me tree and she started teaching me from the time i was so little that it really affected me and then once about three years old we started to look at children's book and my mother would tell me the stories and sign she was really a wonderful performer of gifted storyteller and she'd use her mouth and her facial expressions and that's where i've gotten that aspect of my own signing from i've been inherited my style from my mother she was so full of of lively antics as she told her stories her action stories and and then i would read the story and say is that what the story was about that's when i was only when i was very young three or four years old i started to develop an interest in reading because of that and because of my mother's story telling i call her a story performer i would call my mother a story performer i didn't understand that at the time but now i realize she is part of that category of people who was really gifted in storytelling and she caused me to become more fascinated in the english language a long time ago when i was young i was i would say the language i would had the most fascination for was english and now it's both english and asl well i grew up and and went to school i had older deaf students who were very gifted at um sign and they would also tell stories we also had many oral people but not too much we had much more manual people and we had some people who would use a lot of wit in their signs you know gallaudet colors they tend to do that and they also had that use of signs in my school for the deaf my family also went to deaf clubs and we went to picnics and everybody there would tell stories and i love to sit and watch these wonderful storytellers and and see the gossip that went on and see how people express themselves you know they wouldn't let me get too involved because i was a kid but i'd peek around the corner and get what i could but my mother who allowed me as best she could to let me and be involved and she didn't mind if i bothered her too much so i looked as much as i could and i watched storytellers even at ntd the national theater for the deaf the first group including bernard bragg and joe volwitz and orton and orton and norton there was a first group of people involved in the national theater for the deaf and they were from my hometown um and i knew all of them personally and when i would go to see them perform and do their acting on stage i'd enjoy it so much and that was a powerful influence on me when i was a child so let me tell a little bit of a story that was a little bit of a story myself and now i'm going to be go back into the role of teacher storytelling when i was writing the astl curriculum we tried to look at art form and see what kind of signs were used in that we found that they're very important art form had a very important role in the deaf community and we can even label that part of asl poetry and i think that art form has at a very will have a very strong influence on the asl poetry in the future we've also analyzed the way that signs narratives are compared with poetry and helps us to understand the two forms better narratives sign stories and narratives a story or a different from storytelling well i have a list of um characteristics that we that i've developed that are very similar to the kinds of things that debbie developed yesterday for you about her poetry um we've discovered things such as a storyline such as um and character development and details stories are very casually told you can be sitting around in a group telling stories you know how deaf people do they're telling something that went on in their lives whereas the narrative is a more advanced use of the language it's more complex it's more developed um people in the storytelling in the narrative genre people tend to stand in one place but they stand to stand up and as opposed to sit down and they walk around the stage regular storytelling is as usually signed in a smaller signing space but the but the more formal narrative is is is bigger and using a bigger space storytelling is used to give information to give news to tell people what has happened in your life and sometimes people add details and exaggerate a little bit to make it more interesting but the narrative generally has a lesson a moral that it's trying to get across that's another point of the of the more formal narrative storytelling tends to use a direct eye contact with the audience to make sure that the audience is following what you're saying while the more formal narrative tends to be more separate more separated it um the audiences is less involved and the narrative narrator has more control whereas in regular story the audience is free to interrupt at any time in the more formal narrative the audience reacts more as the audience and and sits back and waits to see what will happen and the narrator themselves becomes the reactor and asks what will happen next and answers their own question rhetorically there are four different kinds of classifications that we've developed of storytelling the narrative number one is personal stories that's very similar to the stories i was just explaining to commonly told within the deaf community that that that deputy was talking about yesterday you may say that your roommate came in and went to sleep and then all of a sudden there was a bang on the door and and she was really scared and she thought someone's hair was waving and it was maybe was a witch that's a personal story but when she changed that story and made it more dramatic and went on and on and said then went the layers of covers and then took all four layers of covers off and exaggerated and walked back and forth on the stage she was using what had happened in her personal life to become a narrative um perhaps of another story a person was telling about their deaf father and who built the san francisco bridge he may tell the story to a boy and i know at the dining table and the boy will watch that story and when later he grows up he may develop that story to become a more formal narrative and use more dramatic hand configurations and say and express himself larger and and make the story more developed so in that way he's taking a personal story and making it into a more formal narrative second this is very commonly occurring in the deaf culture is when my mother told me deaf stories and then late that story was a paraphrase of a written story meaning she'll tell a story she'll read a story get the idea of in her head not do a formal translation of it no that'd be a different process that'd be very different process she would not translate it my mother never did that i don't think but she paraphrased the story she read the story and then later told it in her own signs in asl and from that way i got started to understand with the story in the bookman the same as patrick gable yesterday told the story of the black cat they heard the meow and the red bricks and there was a pounding beyond the red bricks that was did that follow exactly what edgar alan poe had written line by line a formal translation of that no patrick had gotten the idea from that story and then told it in his own signs that commonly occurs in literature in the oral tradition and in performing adapted stories not often occur but they do come up once in a while it's not generally performed on a stage but in the home where people are talking with each other telling stories an adapted story is um um here it has a hearing character in it originally for example um the three little pigs you know the story about the three little pigs and the wolf and they huff in the puff and they blow the house down well the three little pig has been adapted to being a story about deaf people and the wolf is is hearing and he's trying to say you're not good enough and then the three little pigs at the end get the best of him and then the second little pig who builds a house of of wood and he thinks it's good enough and and the wolf runs and and blows it down with the one pig who takes good care of himself and builds the house very carefully the wolf can knock it in and when he finally gets climbing down the chimney and gets bored in the pots then the pig has gotten the best of him and he's won in the end and that's been adapted to the deaf culture and deaf people find it really amusing when they see their own culture become alive in a story like this so often it's very spontaneous how people develop adapted stories I don't I haven't done too much of this myself maybe you have more experience in myself original stories are invented they're not taken from any formal literature but um from your own personal experiences and and originally come originally written in ASL it's a story you know the story perhaps where a person is knocking on the door um like Debbie's story with the witch she had that character she had that personal experience but she but really became an original story itself the way she adapted it and she used it for the purpose of teaching hearing people about deafness and about how deaf people would not be able to hear them knocking on the door it's a very clear image another um Ben Bernin Bernin Breen I forget the title of the story but he had um a story about a mother and a witch and the daughter uh the little a little duck was born and the ugly duckling and a story about a a duck with a long beak and a very short beak and something was wrong with the one with the very short beak so they put it off in a school a handicapped school because he had kind of a bent beak and they wanted to make their beaks become much smaller and with their with their wings they tried to um they tried to get free and they tried to work very hard practicing to make their beak smaller they did have an operation to make the beak smaller but they didn't want to do to take take such a drastic measure so they tried to make it smaller by itself so they sang and they pecked at wood to make the beak get smaller and then the the one the one bird with the with the long beak would make fun of that one who was trying to make his beak conform and um all the different animals would make fun of it and and the rabbit would feel bad and then laugh at them laugh at him and he suffered so much and the poor little bird with the long beak and the wings would try to follow the birds the other birds but he couldn't and finally had an operation to make his beak conform like the others but it's still like he didn't belong so there's a moral in that story and I'm sure you all know what's behind that but that story is a very active full of action that's been that's been changed and created to make it a formal story to make it a part of deaf literature this does anybody have a question I'm curious do you have a videotape of any of those stories no I'm sorry we have short little segments that are in the deaf history videotape um that's a story from Bambourine the story about the little birds it's a 20 minute piece he really goes into and tells from the beginning to end it's a wonderful story okay now as a poet I was really involved in the deaf culture and deaf community and in the school for the deaf and then one summer when I was 14 years old I went I was in the school for the deaf and Bernard Bragg and Valdals and a few other the people from NTD were teaching they were teaching creative use of creative language or whatever I forget the title it was a long time ago the title was in English but right previous to that when I was 11 years old I had seen the National Theater for the Deaf they had come to our town and that was a time when people were just beginning to become aware of all of these famous people involved in the National Theater for the Deaf and I was so fascinated with the group of performances they did that were related to poetry they had skits also but I was really fascinated with the poetry Bragg told the poem called Tiger Tiger and that's by Blake that's a poem written by famous English poet named Blake now when I went home I took some of Bragg's lines and tried to copy his style and I'll give you a few lines from that and the interpreter will not be voicing this because she has no idea of the words you know do you know how Bernard Bragg did that and another one that Ursula Bludzi did beautiful how do I love the by Elizabeth Barrett Browning something like that and it was so beautiful and then the know another person Joe Valdes he performed Jabberwocky this was written by Lewis Carroll you know that's a segment from Jabberwocky I was so fascinated with all of these performers and their expertise that I tried to copy them and I became involved and I became really excited about the idea of combining sign language and theater I didn't know that I carried that around with me but when I was age 14 I was at school and Bernard Bragg came and Valdes came and they were signing they were trying to teach us how to sign in a poetic way I was really enjoying that summer camp and we also that time we're writing poems too and we're sharing them with the others in our group so like does that bother you the purple color of my blazer okay that poem entitled fuchsias I don't know if you have them here but it's a kind of flower and it dangles hangs and it has little loops and and the stems and the little orange pistons in the middle and the white in the middle it's very beautiful in my home there's so many of this kind of flower and they're always dangling looking so lovely and I decided to write a poem about that and I thought it was really sweet I put it down on paper and it was published on the front cover of the school magazine with a picture of fuchsias much later I decided to translate that to sign language and I'll sign it for you now as I look deeply in the early morning onto the lovely fuchsias still wet with the night's dew whirling whirling with the wind they remind me of my lovely vision of a budding ballerina whirling with the music so that was very sweet and then after that period I entered high school and there was one teacher that was from the same school that I had been in before and he was very much influenced on me named joe velas he loved to sign and he was a very romantic signer he wrote a lot of poetry both in sign and asl he was also a dramatist too of course I was so fascinated with language and drama that I thought the combination was perfect for me and my interest built he taught me so hard and and criticized me and was a real inspiration and I took a class in fact most of my classes were taken under him as a teacher and he was so dead it's such a dedicated teacher I was really impressed I'm very very grateful to mr. velas I wrote one poem when I was with him called my travels with malts and I have the English translation that the interpreter will read this is the name of this teacher that was such an influence to me is named eric malzkun every day I go to the humble but fresh ship and I fastened myself to the space seat which you provide and you go to your switchboard with its flashing lights and the countdown begins three two one blast off off we go and way out of the world's limits into the deep space we store sore following the wild shooting stars as free as your imagination thrilled I sit there sometimes turning your ship taxi turbies I try to help 26 lettered words come and go as we dance through space well don't worry most of them remain because you fish me in and nail them on me we've landed on a rich planet of books you fill my arms with books and load your ship to it is a doubt we never return huffing and puffing we're warned to the space once more again we follow the path of the six seconds stars and safely return home with me dazzled with excitement in time you see how I wrote the standards I used space to show the differences between my ideas ASL can also use a can also use space in that way I had known that at the time but I started to realize that that the way I wrote things down on paper correlated with the ways I thought of it in sign ocean huge and blues spreads out in space ripples getting bigger and bigger waves bigger and visor bigger splashing his hands upon an old rock rising up and up on top of tree old and crooked watches and muses upon the ocean both conflict it both blend okay now you see the way the standards are situated upon the page one indicating the ocean how it's on the left side of the page washing up on the right side of the page against the old rock you know now you see how you have to read from side to side you have to figure out which way you want to read it I first I had um I played with different ways to write it but I thought it didn't work on paper next I tried a similar idea put it in a different way this is entitled oh this is called love song love song sign you see how o's are written on both sides of the paper I use simultaneous movement of my hands on either side of my body and in the middle my heart beats in the middle of my of the signing space as in the middle of the page for you and I love you much much much it's kind of a bit much a little bit sickly sweet but and then I have part two you are like the gentle rain that falls on my face you are like the sun this shines warmly on my face both are coming from either direction I do have a question


Local law enforcement shared thoughts and prayers for the family of Floyd County Deputy Oliver Little who passed away Wednesday evening from COVID-19 complications. That's just him. He had a grin on his face. He wanted to laugh. He smiled any time you looked at him or talked to him and he didn't mean anything negative. He was just, that's just Oliver. He had a smile and a grin about any time you seen him. Deputy Oliver Little of the Floyd County Sheriff's Office was in the process of transitioning to the Pikeville Police Department before contracting COVID-19. Wednesday the Floyd County Sheriff's Office announced that Little had died due to complications from the virus. Thursday, Mountaintops spoke with local law enforcement about their time and memory with Deputy Little. Well Oliver worked here for several years. He started with me in 2015. When he came to me he was a ER nurse here at one of the hospitals in the county and he had a real good background in obviously the medical field. He was a paramedic and he was just a great asset to us and an obvious easy decision to hire him and did we ever get more out of him than we thought we would after we did hire him. Here at Pikeville Medical Center's Heart and Vascular Institute we have assembled a comprehensive team of cardiac specialists bringing expertise from all regions of the nation and the world. We have coupled that with cutting edge technology providing them the best equipment and operating rooms available. The result is comprehensive cardiac care for the people of our region that is second to none. The Heart and Vascular Institute at Pikeville Medical Center. In his career as deputy Sheriff Hunt says Little was a servant and admired helping locals. Additionally, Hunt says Little was a great asset to their department teaching fellow deputies the importance of being an officer. They learned for one that there's more to being a police officer than just you know doing the police job of it it's really a it's truly service you know it's what you do to people how you treat people you know everybody wants to go out and be arrest a bad guy and chase a bad guy or whatever but Oliver showed them that it was more than that I mean you go that extra step to treat somebody good to make sure they're okay make sure they're healthy they got somebody to take care of them. Local law enforcement shared thoughts and prayers for Deputy Little's family. Oliver is in good hands and we all know that and he'll be missed by everybody but we will he will never be forgotten in Pikeville or in Floyd County because of all the stuff he's done for the communities and he's got many many friends. Obviously thank everybody for being so supportive and all the nice comments and just everything that we hate it so he's going to be missed here and I know Pikeville PD is going to miss out on an opportunity that he could have came obviously into their department and made a big impact too and they would have loved having him and I just had bigger plans and this is how it worked out. Deputy Oliver Little was 46 years old. For Mountain Top News, I'm Joel Corjol.