اعنا شكراً لكم من كل you our audience wherever you are we would like to greet you from the Dead Sea in Jordan the world economic forum for the Middle East and North Africa is being held our day session is going to focus on female issues and we will be asking questions about the situation of women in the العرب الغالب و الضحاد الدقائق التي سنطرق بجabbة مرأة حول الممور بقياس البقائق اليوم سنعود في بعض الأسئلة محاولة إلى سلسلة الغالبة السلسلة التي تجعل الغالبة من الغالب إلى الآوشن بعد العرب العالمة وال기도رض الغالب وإنه هو our pleasure to host various panelists whose primary course is to uphold the case of women. So let us welcome our Excellency Minister of Social Development of Jordan Reem Abou Hassan, her Royal Highness Amira Altawil from Saudi Arabia and Khalid Al-Khudair and Imad bin Musa. Let's start off with the Minister Reem Abou Hassan. As I have mentioned today we will be talking about the situation of women in the Arab world, particularly in the public and private sectors. When it comes to the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, what is the situation or status of women at present day, particularly in the public sector since you present the ministry? In the name of God, I would like to welcome all the guests to Jordan. As far as the situation of women in Jordan is concerned, I'd like to start off by talking about the legal framework or context, whether we're talking about the international or domestic frameworks. The right of women is preserved under treatments and conventions that were signed by Jordan, conventions with the ILO and human rights conventions, as well as in the constitution of Jordan that has maintained and safeguarded the right of work for all men and women after the age of 16. Job equality and gender equality in the assumption of public positions are both safeguarded in the constitution. However, this legal context does not necessarily mean that it is translated entirely in reality. The economic participation of women is only 14%, and I have to admit that this is one of the lowest gender participation in the world. There are various challenges standing ahead of us, and those challenges have led in the past and might continue to lead to this low level of participation. One of those challenges is the social beliefs. Furthermore, women have assumed roles throughout all the walks of life, whether it is the executive, for example, you can see that there is only one minister in the executive in this current cabinet, but there have always been women assuming public positions. When it comes to the legislative, we have 19 MPs out of 150 MPs, and I think we have seven senators out of 50 senators. In the judiciary, the percentage of female participation is 10%. Of course, we are looking forward to increasing these percentages because having one minister, female minister or woman minister does not mean that the economic participation of women has increased. We want women to assume decision making positions, particularly when it comes in the middle management. Then we will be able to say that women have assumed the role in the hierarchy of positions that would enable her to participate in the decision making process and to combat the prototype or the typical ideas against women in this society. When it comes to women participation in the public sector, your Excellency, the minister, you have mentioned some modest participation. Let's turn on to her Excellency Amira Altawir, her Highness, sorry. You are the owner of Al-Waqt Foundation that is interested in developing female or women participation, and you are the board member of an initiative by Sheikh Hamouza to create more positions for women. You are interested in increasing women participation in Saudi Arabia. What do you think of what you have heard? Do you have heard about the position in Jordan? What do you think of the position of Saudi women when it comes to the assumption of high ranking positions in the public sector or in the private sector since you manage a private company or corporation time agency? In the name of God. Yes, the situation of women in Saudi Arabia has developed over the last two years given the various decisions that were adopted in the executive. Her participation in the economy has risen, but the unemployment rate is 12%, and 85% of that 12% is composed by women. The Ministry of Labor has laid out around 12 programs to develop the role of women in the workplace, and those programs have enabled us to employ more than 160,000 Saudi women in 2012. However, the most daunting challenge is not only the legislation, but it is the concept of mentality because we know that our society is very conservative and is very private, and it is very difficult to change concepts in Saudi Arabia to support women in their workplace or a larger contribution, and this usually happens because of the internet and studying abroad, and indeed there are legislations that are supporting women, but it is a matter of time. Many conservative men would say that we don't want women to work, we want to maintain her dignity. That is not true. They are not maintaining her dignity while when they prohibit her from working, there are many programs or programs of work that allow women to work in various fields that would maintain her dignity. So I think the main reason is fear from women and not for women because they are afraid of women and we know that women are stronger than men in our society in our world because they are a minority, and the minority usually wants to prove itself. As far as I'm concerned, not every single woman has to work, but any woman who wants to work should be able to work. Thank you. That was a very clear message. So now we know that women are competing with men in Saudi Arabia. And let's remain with Saudi Arabia and turn to Khaled Al-Qudair who is a very vehement supporter of women rights, particularly when in Saudi Arabia. He has three high degrees from Canada and you have been the founder of GLOW Work in order to create job opportunities for women in Saudi Arabia, sir. In your view, how is the situation now in Saudi Arabia in terms of employment of women? Is there an opening up for women in the job market? Has the mentality changed in Saudi Arabia? In the name of God. Let me tell you my story how I started off my career in Saudi Arabia. As soon as I came back from Canada having finished my BA and having graduated in three degrees Human Resources, Marketing and Commerce or Trading. I was taken by surprise when I found out that I would not be able to find an employment if I did not know the job market and I did not know corporations and that affected me personally so I knew that I had to work on my information and my knowledge but at the same time I knew that I had to work through connections and contacts what we call WASTA in Arabic and I was able to assume a position because of this WASTA my sister three years after I graduated from Canada graduated from Canada and she came to Riyadh I told her I have a job for you and I hope that you will be able to work with me within one week she told me I'm more dignified than you I will not allow for anyone else to give me a position because of WASTA or connections and she waited for seven months looking for a job and of course she was not able to go and drive on her own she would need to go with a driver and we had this segregation situation where offices were segregated for men and women and she would submit her CV to the security office and that CV would not even come to the human resources office and then I wanted to find out what were the problems I as a young man had problems with seeking a job how about women two or three years ago we did not have any statistics about women employment or even youth employment or the rate of unemployment the ministry of labour under an initiative or rather a degree from the king about a program called incentive salary for job seekers and I thought that that program half is was just throwing money down the drain to cover up the problem however maybe there is a story that should be told the ministry of labour has created that program in order to collect statistics now we have a database with various women 1,600,000 unemployed persons in Jordan in Saudi Arabia from the years 20 to 45 and 40% of them are holders of BAs or bachelor degrees and the ministry of labour has thus drafted new legislation such as women in the retail sector and that would create more jobs in the coming three years the minister has also set up a guidance council for women participation in partnership with the private sector and is about to launch guidelines for women's participation in the job market which would facilitate things for women to find and for corporations to create opportunities for more women participation in the job market some of the new legislations about the women work dictate or stipulate for the fact that corporations are obliged to employ a certain percentage of women or to have certain sectors entirely composed of women such as the front office of the retail of the retail business which is 100% women shops with women supplies and make up products and in the coming three months the accessories shops and even the jewelry shops are going to give more female representation not only in the front office but also in decision or leadership positions of such shops and such corporations that was a very long path that was taken by the ministry Mr. Khaled do you believe that these laws that were passed in Saudi Arabia would be able to push for more representation of women within corporations or do we need to change mentalities before we draft laws yes we need to work on changing mentalities and this is something very very important for us to support women participation in the private sector following graduation women think of working as teachers in the education or in the public sector and in the private sector what we are trying to do in the ministry is to make the private sector more conducive to female or to women participation in the past 20% sorry 2% was only the percentage that was assorted to women participation and to Saudiization percentage which is to turn jobs to Saudis rather than to foreigners in Saudi Arabia we found that all this is related to education because we are brought up in Saudi Arabia and in some other Arab countries believing for 20 or 22 years believing that we are managers managers of our drivers and our housemaids and we believe that we will be managers even in the job market so the expectations are very high for some of our young people there is a gap between education and real job opportunities miss the moderator yes there is such a gap and we will talk about it later on in order to talk about certain initiatives when it comes to the private sector and NGOs but before that let me turn to Mr. Imad بن Musa who comes from Dubai but he is originally Moroccan and he is the director general of Coca-Cola Middle East and he's been there for 14 years you have started officer in marketing in one of the world's largest companies in the world but you have started off in Morocco now you are the general manager of Coca-Cola in the Middle East Coca-Cola Middle East Region in your view what is the difference between the situation of women in North Africa and the challenges and the situation of women in the Middle East particularly in the Gulf countries of women across the Middle East and North Africa women are challenging the status quo they are demanding equality and they call it for women empowerment not only economically but also politically and socially I think it's important there is an undeniable fact that the cost of living is rising and that is putting more pressure on household to diversify revenues so a revenue stream of one family member is not enough with the growth and to keep up with the needs that families have and hence the role of the female member of the family is going to increase and is going to put more pressure on the society and this is something that we have seen in the western world 30 and 40 years ago I think the educational attainment in Middle East and North Africa is also improving we see more and more women into the job market the ratio however of women in the labor force as mentioned by Madi Al Wazeera is very low I think the average across Middle East and North Africa is around 20% now that average is slightly higher when it comes to Morocco or Tunisia and Turkey but it's also very high for instance in Indonesia which is another Muslim country on the Asian continent which is 38% so that give us a little bit of a benchmark I think according to the gender gap report that was issued 2 years ago the gender gap is narrowing so if we look at for instance the UAE the literacy rate among women is higher than what it is among men we've also seen some very bold and progressive moves Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid the vice president of the UAE and the juror of Dubai made a decision to make it mandatory for women to be represented in the board of directors of local government entities in Dubai Emirates and the other point that I would like to say also I think it was mentioned by Khalid is the college enrollment of women has made fantastic progress over the last 20 years and there is an interesting statistic that shows that actually it does not necessarily relate to the economic development of a country in fact college enrollment for women is the same in the US it is in China or in Brazil what does say is there is a massive influx of talents coming into the market and the private sector as well as government and NGOs have a fantastic opportunity to really tap into this talent pool that is existing I mean if you drive around Lujad you see for instance Dura University which is a fantastic facility of the art technology 10.000 Saudi women talented future leaders certainly will be there for the markets and it's for us as a private sector and government to really tap into that opportunity شكرا جزيرة لك then سيد عمد بن موسى thank you Mr. عمد بن موسى and here we end the first part of our discussions thank you Mr. عمد بن موسى your Royal Highness the Princess Your Excellency إلى المرٰ شكراً والمر積مين� خالد شكراً لك لكم في وسط للمساقون الذي يأتي من المساقين حين العالم المساقين في حياتهم لمدلسة الأفريقية يبقى بحد واقل من الوصول أما جزادينا في إتكال السلوك نحن سنقوم بك again the audience of France 24 and now we are in the second part of the discussion about the status of women in the Arab world it's the reality and the challenges they face in access to the labour market and to senior positions in the public institutions. Your Excellency Princess Amira Tawil as we mentioned at the beginning you are fully informed about the situation and the status of women in the Saudi Arabia. However, what are the solutions and initiatives taken by women themselves inside Saudi Arabia in order to advance the status of women particularly in the economic sector and the private sector. The Saudi women in general are leaders by their nature. We always find them keen to work. We have women in the business sector and also women work in managing funds and in education and the health sector where you find women in all these sectors and now you can see women in politics and in the legal sector. So there is a lot of progress for Saudi women. However, commenting on what Mr Khaled said the problem is that there is no relation between education and the labour market. So you find that 70% want to work in education while 40% want to work in the public sector. Only 6% want to work in the information technology and only 10% in the financial sector. As a country other than oil we rely on IT and finance. Unfortunately, the educational system must teach entrepreneurship and they must inform the students about the positive aspects and negative aspects of sectors. What are the needs of our country where the good jobs lie? So there is a need to orient and direct students and job seekers so that their expectations would meet and would be commensurate with the labour market needs. I see this as a huge gap. However, women are pioneers and the government has proposed solutions but I don't expect that this is a problem only in Saudi Arabia but all over the Arab world. There is a concept that men should work and be the breadwinners and women should stay at home and care for the children. If you want to demand real equality then women must contribute to build the society equally with men if they really want real equality just like the societies in the west. So women should not only care for their homes and their children but also they should contribute to building their societies and their countries and this is important for us. Such concepts should change in your opinion. The main reason lies in the gap between education and the labour market. This is at the public sector level but as a private sector what are the initiatives you take in order to change this male perception. There is a simple word in English being there. We are there. We manage our companies and we manage our money. We do not rely on anyone else. We are self-reliant. Saudi women are present and we hope that they will assume even more senior positions. But do you believe that enacting laws and governmental decisions alone are capable of changing this stereotype about women whether in Saudi Arabia or in other Arab countries? What is the role of the civil society and the non-governmental organizations? Everything starts by laws whether the beliefs change or not unless there are laws that are supportive of women then these concepts and beliefs will not change. So we see that these laws are changing especially after the Arab Spring. They are changing all over the Arab world and there are new laws being introduced. More importantly there is more openness at the level of knowledge and economics and the strength and the presence of women. Arab women are present and strong. However the society must be more supportive of women not only by financing or through laws but also by accepting her socially and accepting her role in labor. So this might be a difficulty that you face in defending women in Saudi Arabia. You mentioned a very important point when you spoke about this timid participation of women in the labor market and even in the public sector in Jordan and in other Arab countries. The presence of women inside governmental departments is very modest. For example in Morocco there is one minister in Tunisia. There are two women ministers. What are the obstacles and problems that you face now as a woman leading a ministry at the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to take initiatives and implement them on the ground? Thank you. First I wish to comment on what her royal highness the princess said about the gap between the labor market and education. This is a challenge that all Arab countries are facing and I don't want to elaborate any further. However regarding Jordan as we speak about a level of education that is very high for women this is no more a challenge but as royal highness also spoke about laws. Laws are important but they are not sufficient even if the law speaks about the right of women to work. There are other issues related to the work of women including the role of the Jordanian state in putting a system for the maternity fund in Jordan. Women participate in the household income and it is a main income. Therefore there is an obligation by the state to help women in having a maternity leave so that she would not be an obstacle and a cause for discriminating against her in employment. And also it relates to daycare centers. The law is there but it requires mechanisms for implementation and now Jordan is working on establishing daycare centers in the public sector before the private sector in order to enable women in raising their children. When a woman is working while she is married this is a reality that cannot be reversed. The issue is about developing mechanisms that would help her to implement her role as a mother and as well as her role as a productive citizen. The third point is about the right to work. It is there however there is a wage gap. There is no equal pay and this is something that was considered in Jordan and a study was conducted and it turned out that women require to work at an additional 64 days in order to get equal pay for the equal work. And this is something that must be addressed by law first and then through implementation mechanisms. The last point is related to policies about harassment in the workplace. This is an important issue. Some may say that the reason for harassment is the access of women to the labor market. This problem exists and it has to be addressed through the penalties and the labor law and also even regulations or the bylaws of companies. Another challenge is the right of women in the family laws. This has a direct impact on the ability of women to work and her access to decision making positions. If we want women to be productive and to access leading positions then there is a need to guarantee her rights inside the family. Which means that her right in inheritance which is a right that is guaranteed in the Holy Quran but women are being forced to give up their rights in inheritance. And in this regard Jordan interfered so that women do not give up their property that she inherited from her father or from her family through social intimidation. The rate of women who own lands in Jordan does not exist 4% and we want to increase this rate because often owning land is the mean to get a loan and to use it as collateral for financing investments. When we speak about women we also speak about persons with special needs. We should not speak about women only who are capable to work but when we look for the presence of women we also need to consider the persons with special needs and how we can activate the role of women whether disabled women or other women in the labour market. Your Excellency the Arab countries witnessed the Arab Spring and some countries continue to live through this period. To what extent have these revolts and this commotion? To what extent has it contributed to advancing the role of women and advocating the rights in general? Do you believe that the mentality has changed? Did the Arab countries succeed in giving more rights to women or has her status deteriorated? I'm not speaking particularly about Jordan but in general about Arab countries. I believe that Arab Spring is a double edged sword regarding women. On one hand the role of women as a citizen and part of the people and the importance of her popular participation in decision making is very important but hence the importance of transparency and social justice however on the other hand regarding the issue of the rights of women. What we are witnessing now are calls for giving up achievements made by women throughout the past years and now many women movements are discussing a means of maintaining their achievements rather than moving forward and I believe that this is a problem because women participation in the labour market or in politics change is going to happen and possibly for economic reasons however if the women movement would suffice to maintain its achievements rather than moving forward then this means that we are not going to achieve what we want to achieve. Mr. Rehman Moussa you have listened to what the minister has said and Royal Highness the princess has said about the obstacles as a director general of one of the largest companies in the world. There are initiators definitely to advance women and to defend their rights and for gender equality in the workplace are the most important difficulties you face in such initiatives particularly in the Middle East. I think large corporations and private sector in general has a leading role to play and we all as large corporations need to lead by example. We have a very ambitious vision for the Coca-Cola Company to double our business by 2020 and one of the three priorities on the people side is to develop an advanced women leadership position Our 2020 vision is supported by a very firm belief that women will play a transformative role in shaping the global economy. There is no doubt about that. We have a global women initiative that we launched five years ago and I would like to share with you some facts. 40% of the global workforce is women and it's increasing 40%. 50% of the 7 billion people on this earth are women now that's the new news but that also means 50% of our consumers as a consumer product company are women. Every household product that gets into the house be it on the food, on the beverage on the beauty care, household care, healthcare is actually purchased by women or largely influenced by women. 70% of those household products that get into the house are influenced by women and that's a very important insight for us to keep in mind. So the conclusion is not only it is the right course of action morally speaking but it also makes social and economic sense for our business not only to reach those consumers and customers but also to tap into the talent pool that we discussed earlier today. The other element internally the initiative that we're doing is the global women initiative inspired by our chairman Mr. Murtakant. We've put a council of 17 very talented women executives of the company and basically that share the same passion with our company and our chairman and basically they've been tasked to develop recommendations in order to advance women in the leadership position. Now what does that mean is the focus should be around recruitment, retention and retention is a big challenge for us especially when it comes to women recruitment as well as development advancement. You can only retain good talents being a man or woman if there is a clear career path that will lead into a leadership position. I'd like to share with you some metrics. We like to say that we only manage what we measure so measurement is important. A pipeline representation of women went from 28% to 34% globally in the last 5 years. The next pipeline of leaders is now at 46%. 46% of our workforce in the next pipeline are women so very close to the gender parity similar to this panel where we have two men and two women. Female representation in key assessments and development programs went from 21 in 2007 to 49% last year. So one associative of two is women in terms of development program and if we look at the external hiring and we do work with Mr. Al-Khodair in Saudi external hiring of senior levels went from 13% in 2007 to 41% last year. So we tripled the external hiring of women globally within Coca-Cola company. So that's what we do internally in terms of advancing women leadership position. I do also want to share with you a very interesting project that we started. I think it's one of the most ambitious ones. You might have heard about it in line with our vision 2020 called 5x20. We have made a commitment publicly as a Coca-Cola company to empower 5 million women by 2020. And that's a very, very bold target that we've set ourselves. That means specifically that we would like to empower those women in small business around the supply chain of our company and our system. I think we discussed about that. There is a unique set of economic and social barriers. I think legal barriers can be broken. We can fix them, but the social barriers are the biggest hurdle I see within the Middle East and North Africa. Barriers are like business skills, social acceptance, leadership training programs as simple as that, and access to financial assets and solutions. I think we sometimes underestimate that element. So there is no better investment than women to support economic growth. I think that if you look at the 5x20 since 2010 when we announced it, we've made good progress in India, the Philippines and South Africa. Very recently we announced the expansion of that program into China, Mexico, Nigeria, Kenya and Egypt. So we're expecting by the end of this year to empower 300,000 women. We still have a long way to go, but I think the progress we're making is very important. And the biggest challenge as we empower those women across the supply chain of the company is to make sure that we have the right balance. I want to make sure that we're developing the right programs and that have the right impact on the community, but also makes business sense that the company also get the yield from those programs because the ecosystem has to be sustained. The ecosystem has to work across the value chain. Now the second element which is I think more relevant to the Middle East and North Africa region is a partnership that we're very proud of that the Coca-Cola company has signed with UN Women in 2011. It's a partnership over three years with a budget of four million dollars to empower more than 40,000 women in three countries. So this is our pilots Brazil, South Africa and Egypt. In South Africa, for instance, we're empowering women to be involved in the retailing business or in the distribution of our brand. And I think as a Coca-Cola company, partnering with them will enable them to have greater access to financial solutions as well as developing training programs and leadership skills. In Brazil, we're working with farmers. 13,000 women will be in the farming and in the recycling business. And lately in Egypt, 4,500 women will be basically empowered through small-scale distribution centers and kiosks. So if you see a couple of kiosks in Cairo very soon, one of those will be driven by this initiative that we've done with the Coca-Cola Company and the UN Women. Since the Coca-Cola has a secret recipe, it seems that you also have a secret recipe for defending women through such initiatives. Mr. Khaled Al-Qadir, you listened to the interventions. In your opinion, how do you see the future since you are a sincere advocate of women rights and you have experience in Saudi Arabia? How do you see the future? Are you optimistic? Do you see that the government policy and the civil society are capable in the few coming years to guarantee good status for women, particularly in the Arab societies? I hope and I see a good future for women in work, particularly in Saudi Arabia. There is interaction by the private sector and even women are defending the rights of women to work. In the future, as I expect, particularly for Saudi Arabia, I feel that it's going to be a benchmark for other states regarding work of women, especially through the initiatives that the government and the private sector are taking. Investing in women education and training and rehabilitation for the labor market and in such a short period of time shall build a promising future. I will give you an example. We have around 15 universities that teach women in the kingdom. These universities did not have co-op or internship programs for employment last year only. 80% of these universities have launched rehabilitation and training programs and they are mandatory for women in universities. This is something that was lacking in the past. We have conducted a study one month ago and it turned out that 96% of the female university students want to work. The future is promising. And I hope that you will hear good news about the kingdom regarding the labor market and women participation. And I hope that I will be alive so that I'll see my sister and all our other sisters part of the labor market. This is what we hope your Excellency Minister Abu Hassan. We have three more minutes for ending this discussion. In one minute please, what is your message that you can address to Arab women in light of the current political and economic conditions in the region? Well, I would like to mention that Herroyal Hainas said that the women in Saudi Arabia are strong. I think that the women are strong not only through their culture and knowledge but through the method of leadership which is being enjoyed by women in particular. The ability to listen to all parties. The ability to work in a teamwork spirit. These are traits which are very much needed in the business world. So these traits and the characteristics that are enjoyed by women the ability to listen, the ability to take care of others and to give others a really very important trait. And in fact transparency is very important and it is very much needed in the business community. Therefore the Arab women should stand fast. The achievements that have been achieved cannot be given up under any circumstances. We are together in this endeavor. Women are supporting other women and we shouldn't forget that men are supportive of women. So working as one team would enable women to overcome this crisis. Yes, true. And I think that Mr. Khalid and Mr. Raimad are the strongest supporters of women and women's rights. Your Herroyal Hainas Atawil. In one minute what is the message that can be conveyed to Arab women as the director of an institution which is discovering those talents and skills. I cannot add more than what has been said by Her Excellency the Minister but in fact in the Arab region we do need coordination organizations. There are great efforts in the private market as well as in the public sector and in the civil society but we don't have this focal point which is coordinating among all these efforts. In fact we are trying to establish a partnership between the private market and the public market and in fact we have supported 25 SMEs in the past. We are reaching a huge number of youth in the Arab region and we have the Kiva Initiative. This Kiva is an electronic website for micro-finance in order to support men and women in the Arab region. We wanted to have a database as well as IT systems that would group all the youth that have initiatives in order to be supporting to those young men and women. And in fact within one year Kiva received credits in order to support SMEs. So if we have more of these organizations we are quite sure that we will be successful. Thank you very much all of you. Your Royal Highness. Your Excellency. Mr. Ahmed and Mr. Khalid. We would like to thank you very much for this debate which is about women par excellence. Thank you very much for the audience for following up this debate from the Dead Sea in Jordan where we have the web meeting for men in the region. I would like to convey my thanks and appreciation to all of you wherever you are. Thank you very much indeed. Not from the Arab world. Thank you very much. I would like to take a number of questions and after that I would like to give the floor to the speakers. In fact I was surprised because we didn't speak about the class ceiling as well as the promotion of women. In fact sometimes women go into the labor market but they are not promoted. I have seen a number of women but I haven't seen those women in the senior management. So in fact the question is how can the corporations work in order to get the promotion of women into the senior management. There is a question here. English. My name is Emma Dickey. I am the group general counsel for Averda which is a waste management company and I am the lawyer for a top New York law firm and I am actually the only female working in corporate law for the entire Middle East. And it is 2013 and that is disturbing. So it is not just a problem for Arabic women but women globally. A couple of years ago and this is a comment. I don't really like your views on it. A couple of years ago I was working at a law firm and I had an intern and she was living in Dubai. She is an Emirati girl. And she was studying law in the UK and somebody came to her school. She went to an all-girl local school and somebody came to her school just before she was about to finish and they presented something on career options and it wasn't until then that she became aware that she had the opportunity to go to university or anything like that and she told me that and this was sort of in 2011. She told me that her and all of her friends were going to finish school and get married and have babies and they actually weren't even aware that they had the opportunity to study or go to work or anything else. And she asked her parents if she could go and study and they were very happy for her to do this. So that's how she went on to study law and I think one of the big issues of course it's legislation and that's a massive thing but it's also awareness for women to know that there are amazing opportunities open to them and supporting women and sort of sharing knowledge. So I'd like your view on how we can possibly do that. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. We are going to take more two more questions before we answer them. I work for the Middle East magazine. I was very interested in and I also had to say about the UAE initiative in large companies to employ a certain percentage of women and I just wanted to ask other members of the panel whether they thought that was a feasible option in Saudi Arabia and Jordan and indeed other areas of the Middle East and just to follow on from what the previous speaker said please don't think that equal pay exists anywhere in the world. So I'd like to ask the other question. Thank you very much. Another question if you may. My name is Talat Al-Alawi from Palestine. My question is for her royal highness as well as the Jordanian minister in many of the several society organizations as well as the alliances that are working in order to advocate women's rights in the employment market. In fact, we have a problem which is related to that and I would like to say that in some sectors we have 37% of women employment and in other sectors there are 11% and in certain sectors it is 0% of women employment even in the open societies in which women can work in all and in various sectors regardless to the percentage of employment there are certain sectors that are closed in face of women or there are certain sectors such as the contractual work as well as other sectors the women employment is 0%. So in fact in our alliance we have a problem I would like to ask what is the percentage through which we can judge that this society has gender equality with regard to employment. Is it the percentage of 30% or 20% because if we are aspiring for achieving 50% of women employment cannot be achieved with some of the problems that I've mentioned. Thank you very much. There is a question by the lady. My name is Dinah Curly so I'm going to ask in English. I work as the editor-in-chief at WAMDA which is an online portal for entrepreneurship news and I've also recently launched email entrepreneurs and business women throughout the region to discuss their challenges in a very frank manner. And so my question is for Princess Amira and possibly Mr. Ben Moussa although it applies to all of you can you speak to the more psychological side of the challenges that women face when they might be holding back from pursuing leadership positions and when it comes to encourage women to actually step up and pursue leadership positions. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. So we have a number of questions that have addressed to her royal highness and the Jordanian minister. There are cultures that are deeply rooted in the societies. Do you think that the legislations and the laws can overcome such cultures or not? There is also another question that is generalized by men rather than by women. The Jordanian minister thank you very much indeed for the questions with regard to overcoming the traditions and the customs I'm quite sure that the legislations and the laws cannot be the only tool through which we can change the culture but laws and legislations can change the situation in a way that would lead to overcoming with regard to the fact that the culture is governing us. No, the laws are regardless to the respect and the enforcement of law we are looking forward to the role of law and the state of institutions but unless the legislations and the laws are pushing towards a certain goal we won't be able to succeed but I think that customs and traditions can be overcome and in my talk I spoke about giving up the right to the inheritance by women this is one of the customs and traditions but in fact laws can help us achieve our success and this has been stipulated in the Holy Quran therefore we have to have legislations and this can be achieved in partnership with other institutions so that we have creative solutions that would fulfill the needs of women the government and the legislators alone cannot put the appropriate mechanism but through other interventions from the seven society organizations as well as the feminist movement we can have creative solutions that would fulfill the needs of women in a better way with regard to the topic or the question about the best percentage or the appropriate percentage of women employment which was raised by the I believe that what is more important is the critical mass so the 30% to 33% in any parliament if is given to women this is a critical mass that can cause change but in the employment market I think that it is different it is for sure that it is important to have the quota or the affirmative action in order to make sure that women can reach the senior management but with regard to other issues which are related to the employment who are talking about rights and individual and the collective rights I think that for women they should have their own chances they should be able to choose what suits them and in fact getting to the labor market does not mean but in this regard we have to talk about different aspects and as citizens have their own rights and they have duties so the question is how can we empower them in order to enjoy the rights thank you very much Your Excellency I have only 5 minutes before concluding this debate Your Royal Highness do you have any comments on the questions that were raised and what we find in our region something that exists everywhere but does not exist as much with us is the circles of women supporting each other of course you will have criticisms from the society I have had it you will have it from people who are close to you from people in your environment at your working environment at your home everywhere you go you hear criticisms and you will not continue facing those criticism with high self-esteem knowing that you've done what you believe in now the good thing about it is that I work with a couple of other women we establish a network of women leaders also the Chamber of Commerce is an amazing network of women leaders in Saudi society so I have circles of leading women that I see and I'm inspired by unfortunately we don't celebrate but we've accomplished many things in the public sector in the private sector in Saudi alone we have we have who is amazing business woman one of the top in the region and those are the role models to set for a young woman talking about breaking the glass ceiling is that when you see someone who was able to make it with all of the difficulties surrounding them that inspires you to achieve more to reach your goal with women who are going through the same circumstances we are going through thank you very much Mr. Ahmed there are questions that are related to the position of women after entering into the labor market and inside corporation it's critical that we understand that there is a business case for empowered women inside the organization that everybody will benefit and the point that Samul Amira mentioned regarding the networking I think it's so important I think organization have to enable women to have peer networking opportunities where in the case of Coca Cola not only we bring at least twice a year women leaders together and in fact over the last three years we've had three major events in Dubai specifically but we also invite our friends from government and from public sector to come and inspire these women and the friends come in from the Middle East but also from outside the Middle East I think that is the most powerful thing and I think as leaders we have to demonstrate that we have to walk the talk and build the business case always so that those psychological barriers are basically broken and that we can go through it I think it's important that we leaders of organization meet in the public and the private sector have to showcase why it makes sense because we have shared with you some of the statistics I think we as in Coca Cola believe that this is the only way forward we don't have other alternatives that empowering women and making them part of the around the same table where all the decisions are made شكرا لك سيد بالموسى روبما شكرا لك سيد بالموسى روبما شكرا لك سيد بالموسى روبما شكرا لك سيد بالموسى شكرا لك سيد بالموسى سيد بالموسى and the kingdom right now we currently studying allowing women to work as CEOs and stock listed companies in the kingdom and this in itself the leadership of the kingdom sees that things have to work from top to bottom and having women as success stories such as Her hyvä check actually adds a lot of value to women وحيث يتكلمون بأنهم لا يعرفون ماذا يفعلون وماذا يفعلون وماذا يتكلمون سكسستوري كما راينس يكلمون سكسستوري is the key factor for us in the Arab world and I hope that through media channels such as France24 we are able to share these success stories and also change perception about the kingdom when it comes to women Saudi women and what the labor market is doing to affect women and Saudi Arabia شكرا لك إذا سيد خacking your excellent sidi jordanian minister your royal highness amira and mr. amad thank you very much for all the panelists and for the people present with us and for taking part in this debate thank you very much and I'm quite sure that the exchange of ideas would continue outside this hall and through this conference and even the way ahead thank you very much indeed


So, uh, zero trust. Right? Yes. Yeah. Um, so, uh, well, first my memory again, what is the background for, you know, I'm sharing my thoughts on zero trust that I know, but there's an event or something coming up. Right. So we have, we're doing a round table or panel discussion, panel discussion next week. And, uh, Priyanka is going to be moderating it. And we've got a real variety of participants from encryption to identity management to get lab and, and I thought the, a good common denominator among such a diverse group would be zero trust. And so, um, that's kind of the, um, the galvanizing discussion or question that, uh, that we'll focus on. Priyanka, feel free to. Yeah. So, yeah, Cindy came up with this really good concept because it brings us all together like very diverse people. And so at this point it's the team of the entire event. And so it's a good lab connect day. Um, and traditionally I think this is these good lab days are just like, you know, sales people and their prospects and a few, and some good lab speaking, but this one's different. We are going to actually host it at general catalyst office in San Francisco and they're like a pretty well respected investor, Steve Herrod. He's going to do, uh, like opening remarks and then Jim Zemlin, who's the head of the Linux foundation is going to do a lightning talk. And then followed by the panel and at this point, Emily and I are telling Jim, Steve, everyone that, hey, the team of the event is zero trust. And so that's like, you know, all kind of connect on that. Now, one thing that I think would be really helpful to know in addition to the concepts of zero trust is just how we at GitLab as the products we can maybe advance. People who are help people who are trying to go in that direction or like doing things that operate in a zero trust way. I don't even know if I'm saying it the right way, but I want to in my head connect the zero trust philosophy and the GitLab products we can just so I have that link established. Yeah, so to take a couple steps back when when Cindy listed the topics all the way from encryption, the app sector, you know, other topics, probably zero trust wasn't the first thing that popped up for me in terms of a common denominator. Because the reason for that is because right now, very, very few companies have successfully or even started implementing zero trust. Okay. If you look at like the cloud native companies out there, only 20% have implemented little trust. And the reason for that low number is not because people are not aware or don't want to do it. It's because it requires a certain amount of awareness and also the right environment to successfully implement it. So if you are a very, very large enterprise company, or let's say you're a bank, right with a lot of legacy systems, and with a lot of physical work and water, you know, buildings and people coming into a physical location or VPNing into a particular subnet first before getting access. It can be really hard to take that paradigm and translate it over to zero trust. So I've talked to a lot of people about where they are with building zero trust and right now more than 50% of the time I get. Wow, I would love to be there. We are, it's going to take us a really long time. And first our culture has to change that happens as well. So get lab in many ways is an ideal environment to implement zero trust. And that's because we're 100% remote. There's no physical office. Everything is hosted in a cloud environment. Right, even our third party product that we use are in other SAS environments. There is no local data center that we maintain. Right, we don't run our own data centers. Many places do. So there, when you do that you're responsible for setting up all the physical assets in there and physical security comes into it as well. We don't have that. Right, so all we have to do is look at the the GCP environment, for example, and say, Okay, how many assets do we have there. What is the classification of the sensitivity of data stored a process on each of those assets and less prioritize so our focus should be on creating a boundary around every single host in that environment. And then making a risk based decision when someone tries to access that endpoint on whether they should be allowed access or not based on who they are. What their needs are for accessing that level of sensitive data and what the state of the device that they're using to access this data is up to date on all the patches does it have get lab. Is it a get lab owned hardware that has endpoint management on it. If it is and they are on a team that is supposed to have access to that data. Then yeah, we allow access. But if they don't fit those criteria, we deny access. That's that's fundamentally how zero trust works. Okay, okay, so a lot of environments are not ready for that. That's why they haven't rolled it out. And I see. Okay, so this sounds like from a narrative perspective, it sounds a little bit like where we were with DevOps, maybe two, three years ago, where people were like, Oh, we love the idea of it, and the possibilities but we have said silo developer and organization organizations are like the way we do software development is so like not conducive to devos that we're like just is probably not going to happen anytime soon. So would you agree that that is similar and maybe we can expect the same kind of movement in the industry for zero trust as well. I expect zero trust will become more and more of a hot topic and a pressing initiative for many see so over the next five years. Right now, it seems to me that the trend for going with zero trust is just starting to build. Yeah, 451 just did a webinar yesterday on key trends and forecasts for 2019 and zero trust trust was one of the five key trends. Yeah, exactly. So all of the analysts firms are well aware. And to be honest, zero trust is not a new concept. Right. That's exactly what Philip was saying and I was going to ask that because his I chatted with him I think yesterday. Yeah, it was like, Well, it's not a new concept and like we're all kind of in some way maybe doing it or and that was his perspective. So what do you think of that. So it isn't a new concept because back in the mid 2000s, there was a group called the Jericho forum. And during one of their meetings, there was a topic of look, we're all doing security in a way that makes it easy for the attacker, once they break through the perimeter. So we put as many defenses as we can on the perimeter of our network. And then let's say that's a firewall or some other device. But once they break in through there and they get access to the inside of the perimeter is really easy for them to move from one host to another and to gain access to data that they shouldn't have access to. So what can we do differently to counter that paradigm. And the thought process was, you know, what if we treated the perimeter as a non entity. Let's say that we don't care about the perimeter. There's no perimeter to break into every single host inside this environment should have its own perimeter. Right. So now there's no one perimeter to break into to get access to a whole bunch of everything. Yes. Right. For every host you want to try to get to you got to re authenticate and re authorize. Right. So that makes it very hard for an attacker who, for example, steal someone's passwords. So okay, so I've got your account login in your password. So what I still have to authenticate for every system. Right. Maybe you don't have access to that system. Right. So identity management is a big part of the zero. Well, so the most famous example of a company that have has implemented zero trust and they're not even done is Google. So like back in 2010, 11 timeframe, Google had a massive breach. Okay. The Gmail was breached and it was done by a nation state adversary. Right. So very sophisticated, very big. So after that, they rolled out what they call beyond court, which is their term for zero trust, but it's the same idea. So they wrote that out, wrote a series of white papers, which you can go and read about if you just Google beyond court. It's there. But they were probably the most prominent company to implement it back in 2011. Gotcha. My understanding is they're not done. They're still doing it now. Right. So it's a big effort, huge effort. That lends itself to the, to the comparison with DevOps because nobody's really done with DevOps either. I mean, it's a journey. Right. It's, it's a journey. So process. Yeah. But I think that I think with the diminished perimeter and with cloud, the, I, there are some things that become bigger and more important identity management application security, data encryption, being able to encapsulate those, you know, the data and the logic around it to better protect those. And so that's where I was coming at with those are kind of the common denominators among this really diverse group. In terms of, I think it's good to ask their perspective of zero trust is becoming a bigger issue. We can, we can point to the 451 research that says, you know, it's the, they're saying it's the big thing for the year. Right. And so what does that mean? What is, what does that mean for each company and from each perspective. Yeah, I'll also cite another example why zero trust is so hard for most companies to build. There isn't a single commercial off the shelf product that you can buy today that will slap zero trust into your network. That's not how that works. Right. It's a process. And it's custom, depending on what your environment looks like everyone has a different environment. It's dependent on your organization as well, like how do you decide who gets access to what data in your organization that could be different across multiple companies. It's also about whether you process and store other customer data in your environment. If you do, then you've got more problems to worry about as well. So, you know, there's a lot of considerations that come into how you would even implement zero trust in your network. And that's why there isn't a vendor product that you just buy and slap in and now you got zero trust. That's not, you know, I have a question. We're all agreeing zero trust work in progress. People are just starting to think about it. What is the status quo, just so because I like I've internalized the zero trust story a bit more now but I have no idea where where we before where will we get lab or the industry. Oh, the industry. It depends on the sector, really. Probably the most forward thinking sectors would be the cloud native companies by necessity they're already more modernized systems tend to be, you know, more up to date. And they have to rely on using cloud services of a major provider like Google or AWS or, you know, Azure, and that forces you to think differently. Then if you operated your own data center, set up your own physical servers and decided what to install and all that. It sounds very connected to whether you're in on the cloud computing trend or not. If you're using your own if you have your own server farms or whatever then it's because it becomes more important when you don't have that perimeter that you can protect. So the traditional non zero trust sort of approach was I've got a data center that I can put you know protections around I've got a network. I'm going to look at the network traffic and stop any network traffic that I don't trust that it's it's very different when you think of porting your application. And you've got now with containers and Kubernetes you can take that application and you can run it anywhere you can run it on AWS you can move it to to Azure. It makes it very portable so you have to think about I don't have that physical perimeter. So what are you going to protect. Okay. Yeah, so the kind of corporate entity that would be the opposite of what we are at get lab would be a large bank, for example, that has their own physical facilities. And they do everything on prem and they don't go with any cloud services because they host their own environment they you know make people VPN into that environment to then connect to other data systems. And then also if they were even to use a third party product like Salesforce or anything else that we use it would all be on prem they would maintain that themselves they wouldn't put it on someone else's sass environment. So, so that paradigm is the opposite of what we are. I would argue that even that one's changing because people are doing private clouds in order to use their resource pool better. Right, but the private clouds are still being maintained by them. Right. But it still represents another potential attack. After that, of course, of course, there's always a tax factor, no matter what you do, even, even zero trust isn't 100% secure about what we're talking about is raising the bar. So that is more challenging, and it takes more resources and time for the attacker.  That's also part of it right like if they get in here they're as subtle as an elephant marching across the room. That doesn't help them either right so the ability for them to persist in our environment is very important. Once they, the attack factor typically is break in and then persist and wait and then do other things right in the background. So if they're not able to do that successfully, it's not worth their time. Gotcha. So now I have a very naive question.  Do people do this a lot? Like I don't understand why people would attack systems. A lot of it is, you know, just some stealing data about maybe your customers or maybe stealing your intellectual property. Right. There's a lot of reasons for people. Also, there's cyber crimes, right, financial gain, that sort of thing. So it depends on. Oh, sorry. Oh, go ahead. You were saying how often. Yeah, like how often does this happen? Or is this more like an insurance policy for something that happens once in five years, once every year, or like every day we're seeing something. This happens every day. Really? Yeah, every single Fortune 500 company in the United States has already been breached at least once. Wow. Yeah. I can send you some, I was putting together some more recent attacks on that were cloud or Kubernetes based or container or Kubernetes based. And the other aspect is with GDPR in Europe, the consequences can be, can like take your company out. Yep. There can be a company extinction level type of event with a breach. Oh, Jesus. Okay. And so it's like, basically people are having to fight criminals on their own. Like there is no like police force here.  Effectively. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. We're the first line of the fence, right? Wow. That is so crazy when you think about it, right? Because in the physical world, there is like a public utility of someone's going to help you if you get robbed. I'm not going to tell you now you don't get to own a house, but that's kind of what it sounds like happens. Well, there are processes in place for us that were US based company. GitLab Inc. It's based in the US. So because of that, if someone attacks GitLab.com and we have evidence of that, we can contact, I mean, I have contact at the FBI that I can reach out to and they will conduct the investigation and prosecute. If they, you know, discover who it is. Assuming that they have jurisdiction in wherever the attack originated from, right? Okay. Yeah. If they originated from Russia or China or whatever, they have no jurisdiction there. We can't do anything then. No. Wow. That's why there's so much incentive for these attackers to act. There needs to be like a TV show about this. This is like really cool. There's a really good one called Mr. Robot. You should watch it. I didn't realize it was about this stuff. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Absolutely. So I wanted the best in terms of being realistic. Okay. I'm going to now. I didn't know what Mr. Robot was about and I was like, what's the fuss? Yeah. Check it out. I get it. Okay. This is a good book to call Cyber Storm. Okay. That. Okay. It's on my list and love like, like crime. Not like to do it, but. I've liked all the books that have been written by Mark Rosinovich. He's a former sis internal school developer at Microsoft, but he retired and decided to write cybersecurity novels. Really good ones. Yeah. What? Mark Rosinovich. R-U-S-S-I-N-O-V-I-C-H. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Got it. So cool. This is like great. This new world has opened up to me. I was just going to go learn something about security and now I'm like, this is way cooler than cloudy. What are you real doing? Totally. This is awesome. Cool. Okay. This helps a lot. Thank you. And so last question. Sorry. I'm asking so many. GitLab as the company, we, when you joined the company, were we already kind of thinking zero trust? Because like we're always, like we have all these clouds. Okay. So we always were like this. So when I first joined GitLab, I was a team of one for two months at the beginning. Right. I had to build up a team, which we have an awesome team now and so hiring more people.  You win a lot of different hats. Yes. But zero trust is something that came on our radar because we have to think more proactively about how to do defense in depth than how GitLab was doing it before I came on board. So this was not something GitLab was already planning before I came on board, but afterwards one of the first things I set out to do was fix the security mitigation process so that we can start fixing our vulnerabilities faster. Correct. Okay. And then this is part of the plan to proactively build out a defense in depth mechanism before we have a major breach here because of the 20% of cloud native companies that have built out zero trust, almost all of them did it after a major breach. Yes. So I'm trying to get us ahead of that. Right. Right. And build this out before a major breach. Got it. Okay. Do we use any of the GitLab secure and defend products for GitLab? Well, so defend is still very much in progress. Yeah. We haven't really put together a formal team for that yet. So that's still going on for secure, for scanning. We definitely want to dog food it. And I'm working with Philippe to make sure we get looped in to do that. Right now, I need them to, we can't, we don't have the cycles to keep going over and looking at scan results. So what I want is an automated process where the scan results get added to a GitLab issue and then the security team gets tagged in the issue to go with you. Gotcha. So we can work with that, but just to go in and look at every result manually is hard for us. Totally. Okay. So that's what you need as a customer. Yes. That's what we need as a customer. And that's what our customers would want. Right. Right. It aligns. Gotcha. Okay. Super helpful. Thank you.  So I'll be upfront. I'll be like, I'm not the expert in this room. I'm just excited by Mr. Robot. Defender Kathy and Cindy. I'll be upright about it. But I think this prepares me to have at least like, you know, some understanding and I think I'll be able to like, comment a good discussion. So I'm really grateful for all this effort. Yeah. So I would just recommend if you're moderating a really good question to ask is always what are the top one or two challenges that you face as head of security, right? Because that's got to be for most people is going to be. I'm worried about a breach or I'm worried about, you know, that we don't, we have all these vulnerabilities in our applications that we don't know about. That's what most people are worried about. So that is a great lead in for you to talk about apps up about zero trust. Right. That's a great idea. Yeah. The panelists have a security like offering, but I'll turn it on them and kind of be like, what's your security concerns? That makes a lot of sense. Okay. Got it. Cool. All right. Well, thank you so much, Kathy. I appreciate it. We're setting this up Cindy. Also appreciate it. And I'll talk to you guys later. Bye. All right.


Well welcome everyone and can I start by welcoming Secretary Cameron, Secretary Shaps, of course Minister Wong, what has been an incredibly productive Auckland meeting in Adelaide today. Britain is our oldest friend, it is our oldest relationship and we have long had strong people to people ties, strong cultural relationships but what is emerging now is a strategic and security dimension to this relationship and as we have spent the day talking we have all reflected on how close our reflexes and our instincts are around a range of matters and how much intent there is on the part of all four of us to see a greater degree of action between our two countries on top of what is already a very very solid base of activity. Over the last two days we have announced the establishment of a Defence and Security Cooperation Agreement between the United Kingdom and Australia which is a status of forces agreement which contained within it a commitment to consult with each other where there are contingencies which engage our sovereignty and our national security. In some respects it is a surprise that a status of forces agreement has not been in place before now but it speaks to the degree to which we are now seeing a much greater activity and interaction between our two Defence forces, there is a much greater presence of the United Kingdom in the Indo-Pacific and as we look to the future with a visit by a carrier strike group in the next two years when we look to the littoral response group which we are seeing from the UK the presence of a status of forces agreement is practical and timely and we have spent much time over the last two days talking about ways in which we can cooperate more in relation to that increased activity and of course at the same time there are Australian Defence force men and women in the United Kingdom who are training the Ukrainian forces. So this is an agreement which comes at a very important time in our relationship. This morning we were at Osborne where we announced the submarine strategic partnership which is the commercial arrangements that will see the building of nuclear powered submarines right here in Adelaide for the Royal Australian Navy and that is a joint venture that will occur between ASC and DAE. That announcement this morning again highlights the significance of AUKUS within our bilateral relationship and when you think about the fact that the most important defence capability that we operate now and will certainly operate in the future in terms of a long range capable submarine and in the future a long range capable nuclear powered submarine when you consider that that platform will be jointly operated by Australia and the United Kingdom it says everything about the security significance of the relationship between our two countries. Finally we are meeting at a time where we are watching Ukraine continue its fight against the appalling Russian aggression, the appalling unprovoked Russian invasion of its territory and as we meet today we are all very cognisant that now is a time for us all to be continuing our support of Ukraine to make sure that we stay the course so that Ukraine is able to resolve this conflict on its own terms. We have been proud to announce that Australia will participate in the drone coalition as part of our ongoing support for Ukraine and we really want to thank the leadership of Britain in terms of supporting Ukraine in its resistance against Russia and we really want to thank Britain for the way in which they have engaged with us in terms of our support for Ukraine. Today has been an extremely fruitful set of discussions we are really grateful to both David and Grant that they have made the trip to Australia we are very mindful that we are in the antipodes it is a long journey to come here but we very much appreciate the time you have taken out and we feel very encouraged by the future of our relationship based on our discussions today. Thank you very much and can I thank Richard and Penny for such a warm welcome to Australia it is great to be back I have not been to Adelaide before and it is a stunning place to be so thank you for that. Three reflections from me first of all as Richard said this is a very strong partnership but it has just got so much stronger in recent years there were always the connections of history and language and culture and of course our sporting ties and I am looking forward to my first ever Aussie rules football game tonight I am watching it not playing it just to be clear but what we have added to that in recent years is our trade deal is our joint participation in the CP TPP and of course AUKUS which is just such an important development for both our countries in terms of both manufacturing and security and cooperation. The second point is I think the discussions we have had don't just show that we share analysis or that we share values we share both those things but I also say we share a pretty concrete and clear plan of action that we are going to support Ukraine as you have just said in its vital fight in resisting Russian aggression that we are going to work together as we try to stabilize them at least as we try to get aid into Gaza and try to bring about a solution to that conflict that we are going to work together in helping small island states particularly with green finance and that we are both going to be enhancing our presence in this region as we seek the economic prosperity and stability and security that we know we all need. Third point is the action for the year ahead I think perhaps particularly focusing on the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Samoa where we are not just thinking about how we try and make sure that is a successful Heads of Government meeting but also the agendas that we can pursue helping Commonwealth colleagues with the challenges that they face working together in the G20 to enhance the status and lending and ability of the multinational development banks as they help to finance the sustainable development goals working together as we fight the rollback of rights that tragically is happening in our world whether it is women's sexual reproductive and health rights or gay rights or other rights the rollback that is taking place as two like minded countries we should be fighting back against that rollback of rights but above all in the dangerous and uncertain and difficult world that we live in today above all focusing on our mutual security it is a time where friends and partners need to work even more closely together in the alliances we have and that is certainly the case with Britain or Australia and that's only become clearer in these talks over the last two days thank you thank you very much can I first say to my colleagues Richard but critically David and Grant thank you so much for coming to Adelaide we are so pleased to welcome you to our beautiful city for for Auckland the United Kingdom is our valued partner globally and in our region and I would emphasize this is a partnership which is a modern partnership fit for the times fit for the challenges of today and the future and today and yesterday were an opportunity to discuss better how we can work together to support each other and the region a region which is stable prosperous and peaceful a region in which sovereignty is respected where no one country dominates or is dominated we also talked about the way in which our world what happens in one part of our world affects us in another what happens in the Indo-Pacific reverberates in Europe what happens in Ukraine where we see Russia's illegal and immoral of an invasion of Ukraine and I do want to say to David and to Grant we commend the United Kingdom for its leadership on Ukraine we we are united in our unequivocal condemnation of Russia's actions as Richard said we are proud to support Operation Kudu and the training of Ukrainian personnel yesterday in Adelaide David and I discussed formalizing stronger cooperation when it comes to consular issues crisis issues and gender-based violence as he has spoken about today we discussed other matters including as as David said how we work together to enable particularly countries of the Pacific but small island developing states to access climate finance how we work together to ensure the multilateral development bodies respond better to the needs of developing countries and how we ensure that the the chog of meeting the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Samoa a meeting of the Commonwealth in the Pacific such an important occasion is something we both work together to support to ensure that it is a success and of course we discussed Southeast Asia finally you will see from the statement when it is issued we also discussed the the situation in the Middle East we we know how many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are starving I echo David's comments about the importance of increased humanitarian aid the need for that for Israel to allow that aid to enter the importance of fighting to cease to enable that aid to flow and we also spoke about how recognition could assist in giving momentum towards lasting peace in closing can I just say this this is a modern partnership it is a partnership which is being transformed to meet the challenges of our times and I am so grateful to our friends from the United Kingdom from Britain Great Britain for coming to Australia and for being so open and constructive in their discussions with us you are true friends and we look forward to many more years of this. Penny thanks very much indeed and it is indeed an honor to be here all those Richard says it is in fact a long way to come but as I've been commenting I've never really traveled so far to find so much in common at the other end yesterday we signed that landmark security and defence cooperation treaty it will help us do all sorts of things like facilitate the submarine visits between our staff that will deepen technical sharing it will help to commit to what we should be doing all along which is to consult with each other when our security is threatened in any way and we look forward to doing that and as you say it's just a surprise that that hasn't been in place sooner it codifies really what is the case and increasingly becoming true that Australia is one of our closest defence partners last night I had the honour of going to see the last post ceremony at the Australian War Memorial and I found it incredibly moving and poignant I know that next month when Anzac Day comes I'll be thinking of that but it also made me think about the price we'll pay for our freedom and nowhere is that more specific right now than in the war in Europe in Ukraine it's a long way away from here but I just want to stress the extent to which what happens there really matters in the rest of the world because if there is a despotic leader elsewhere an autocrat or somebody who just chooses to take over someone else's land and if the civilized world simply gives up loses focus has a form of attention deficit over two or three years then others will draw the conclusion that it's okay to take land it's all right because the civilized world will just forget about it and that is why I'm so incredibly grateful despite the distance that Australia has stepped up in this conflict the training of those Ukrainian troops in the UK what we call Operation Interplex and here is Kudu I think Kudu maybe is hugely welcome we've now trained overall since before the war over 60,000 Ukrainian troops but it hasn't stopped there when I last saw Richard we talked about the international fund for Ukraine there's $50 million that's been plowed into that fund and I can announce today that we're using slightly different currencies here 60 million pounds of the international fund for Ukraine to fund drones long-range drones and air defense drones as well which will be an important part of the desperate defense that is going on but not only that as you just heard Australia has joined the drones coalition which is a very important cutting-edge process of developing the kind of drones which I suspect will be very important later this year and already is in Ukraine but will increasingly be important not just in Ukraine but for our own defense industries and so by being part of the drones coalition the benefits will be felt directly back here with your own armed forces so just like with AUKUS the purpose of investing in that somewhat far away conflict is to help with defense and security back home and on that subject it was fantastic to join the others to visit the Osborne facility earlier today in fact very early today and see where the submarines will be built the SSM AUKUS and AUKUS is of course fundamentally about freedom of navigation it's about ensuring that the world's navy and oceans are capable of being sailed freely as they should be including here in the Indo-Pacific including in the South South China Sea what we're about is maintaining a global world-based order it's something we hold particularly dear which is why I'm slightly surprised to be going to an Australian footy match later where the world order of rules is something of a mystery to me and I'm looking forward to explaining them I'll be right there Rich thank you very much thank you very much so we'll go to questions Andrew you hear me there yes Andrew Green from the ABC my question is to the Foreign Minister and Foreign Secretary firstly Minister Wong we've seen concerns from your US colleague this week Kurt Campbell about the possibility of China trying to kill off Australian mining operations and it was something you discussed with your Chinese counterpart this week do you share concerns about what Beijing is doing there and Secretary Cameron an internal Whitehall assessment has reportedly advised ministers in your government that the government would be pausing consideration of sanctions against Chinese firms indefinitely around human rights concerns if that's the case how does that sit with your rhetoric about China I was asked a very similar question I think yesterday was at the day before so it was the day before in the press conference after my meeting with the Foreign Minister Wang Yi the Foreign Minister of China and the point I made there was the same point I made in the bilateral meeting which is Australia takes the view that we are all better off where there are transparent efficient and functioning global markets and whether it's on this issue or broadly that is the approach we take and I did express to him the concerns that have been raised by some Australian Nickel producers in this context in terms of your question I haven't seen the report to which you refer but let me just be clear Britain speaks very clearly to China about things we are concerned about whether that's about Hong Kong or about individual cases like Jimmy Lai or about human rights we always stand up for our values and speak very clearly we think that's perfectly consistent to do that while having a good working relationship or relationship based upon our principles of protect align and engage in terms of sanctions the only sanctions I can think of that we put in place recently have been sanctions to stop companies in other countries including in China supplying Putin's war machine and I just take this opportunity to make the point that Britain is doing that because we think it's important that Russia doesn't get hold of these so-called dual use goods and we urge other countries to take the same approach and recognize that if we're truly on Ukraine's side which we should be in there defending the country against this appalling aggression then we should make sure using sanctions appropriately to make sure that Russia can't feed its war machine and continue to prosecute this war. Manik. Manik Van Hayden, Sky News Australia my questions for Secretary Cameron do you believe that the election of Donald Trump in November would have an impact on the future of the AUKUS agreement? It's up to America who they choose as their president it's a very important principle in foreign policy not to involve yourself in other countries elections and what we will do as I'm sure an Australian government would do is work with whoever becomes the president we do it in the UK on the basis that we have a very special relationship with the United States based on cooperating over defense and security and intelligence in an incredibly close way what I would say is that whatever relationship we're talking about whatever part of the enterprise that we are involved in whether it is AUKUS which I think is an absolutely brilliant arrangement or whether it is NATO's arrangements the most successful defensive alliance in history all of those things I think whoever is president the best thing we can do is to get those alliances to get those projects into the best possible shape so whoever is the new president can see that they're working with a very successful set of arrangements. Can I add my voice to the comments of David I think that's exactly right and we feel confident given what we've seen particularly over the course of the last few months in Congress that the AUKUS arrangements really do enjoy support across the political spectrum in the United States and we move forward with complete confidence about what the future will hold. Paul. Hello Paul Starrick from the other advertiser a question for the foreign minister and the foreign secretary relating to a question asked of you this morning after today's announcements and talks what's your message to the critics who say that an Australian build of nuclear powered submarines either should not happen or will not happen. Well the first thing I'd say is I think it should happen remember these are nuclear powered but conventionally armed submarines and nuclear powered submarines clearly have capabilities in terms of distance and endurance that outmatch other submarines and I think it's vital technology Britain has been running these submarines for many years and they're extremely effective and we're looking forward to investing in the new generation of the AUKUS submarines in terms of our confidence I think going to Osborne this morning and seeing both the ASC but also BAES a company we know well seeing what they're doing to prepare for this I think was very heartening and you know Australia is one of the most capable countries in the world when it comes to delivering big projects and this is a big project and we know that from our own experience and we're going to be working very hard to make sure we deliver it properly at Barrow Inferness and elsewhere and Derby in the UK and I know that our colleagues in Australia were doing the same thing it's a huge project a huge undertaking but absolutely essential for our for our security and I think so exciting for Britain America and Australia to be working together on this project but I have total confidence well in response to your question first it should happen and David has spoken about why and we've had a lot of discussions including in the public context about the strategic imperative of why it happens it is good not just for Australia but for Britain and for the United States and it is good for stability in our region and we have to we will make sure it does happen and we do that understanding the scale of the enterprise the scale of the task but I have great confidence that not not just the AUKUS partners but also the state government the workforce the people of Australia and South Australia understand just how big a project this is and how transformative it is for our economy for our industrial base and for our strategic circumstances so you know it's a it's a whole of country whole of stake endeavor here in South Australia and across the country and it is a shared endeavor across the AUKUS partners and we all we all know what we gain from it Laura Laura and Rose from Seven News my question is to the deputy prime minister also about the sub steel how appropriate is our almost five billion dollar commitment to the UK in the midst of the cost of living crisis well the it's completely appropriate and it's consistent with what we announced last year in terms of the contributions that we will make to industrial uplift in both the United Kingdom and the United States let's not forget that the most significant industrial uplift that we will be doing and that we are spending may on is right here in Australia and in fact right here in South Australia indeed we expect to spend about 30 billion dollars through to the mid 2050s in terms of building our industrial base in this country and a very significant proportion of that will be happening right here in Adelaide but we have said from the outset that in terms of the submarines that we build here in Adelaide we will not be making the nuclear reactors themselves they will be made at the Rolls Royce facility in Derby which I visited with Grant last November obviously the production rate of that facility needs to increase in terms of making nuclear reactors both for the Royal Navy but also for our nuclear powered submarines and so in that context it's completely appropriate that we are making a contribution to that and what I can tell you is that having visited it in November that that facility is already already readying itself for the build of the Australian reactors indeed Grant and I watched or looked at paths that had been already made which will be on that very first submarine that rolls off the production line here in the early 2040s so we're really happy with the relationship that we've got with the United Kingdom with the arrangements that we've reached it does involve the contribution to the industrial uplift in the UK that's entirely appropriate and what it will do is facilitate this capability coming into service into our Navy at the earliest possible date and with that can I thank you all for attending thank Grant and David again for coming to Auckland of course thank Penny for all her efforts as well and we will see you again soon


Today we're going to show you how to make the Samoa cookie shot because it is my favorite of all the Girl Scout cookies Why make a Samoa shot? Because everyone likes Samoas and everyone likes shots But you can't get Samoas year-round, but you can get shots year-round As you can see we rimmed the shot glass in chocolate syrup and dried coconut flakes Just to give you a little bit more of the Samoas feel now you can do this one of two ways If you want to make it pretty make sure to roll the rim in the chocolate syrup and then roll it into the coconut flakes Or if you're making a whole bunch of these and you don't care if it's a little bit messy Just plunk it in the chocolate and plunk it into the coconut flakes However, you might get some inside and I'll get in with the drink, but hey, it's a shot To build the Samoa shot you'll start with one part of caramel infused vodka now. That's pretty simple I just used one where there's original caramel candy to four ounces of vodka throw it into a container Shake it up wait a couple of hours, and it'll have infused Next we're gonna have one part of Malibu coconut rum and last but not least half a part of creme de coco, and there you have the Samoa shot You gonna take it Mike? That's one way to do it Hmm. Hey Mike, why do Girl Scouts sell cookies? I don't know because they want to make a sweet first impression How's that even a joke?


Before Anne Haish would work her way up from starring in a daytime television soap operas to headlining films with the likes of Harrison Ford, Robert De Niro and Tommy Lee Jones, after Anne Haish would become one of Hollywood's most well-known openly same-sex couples beside Ellen DeGeneres, before Anne Haish would tragically lose her life as a result of a car accident suffered in August of 2022. Anne Haish, the 53-year-old Emmy award-winning film and TV actress whose rapid rise in Hollywood was often offset by some extreme personal difficulties, has died this month after injuries sustained from a fiery car crash. Initially, many had hoped Anne would make a recovery after a publicist for the actor reported that she was in a stable condition following crashing her car into an LA home on August 5th. Firefighters even said that she had been speaking as they cut her free from the wreckage, but shortly afterwards, the actor lost consciousness and on August 8th her condition was updated to critical before she then slipped into a coma, from which she would never awake.  After struggling to survive an abusive childhood, Anne would provide for her family from a young age as a working child actor, but the weight of her past would stay with her always and result in some sporadic behavior as an adult. Want to hear the true story of Anne Haish, a talented actress taken far too soon? Then stay right here as we celebrate her life in this video. But before we get started, please remember to like, subscribe and turn on your notifications. Alright, let's get into Anne's story. Anne Haish was born in Aurora, Ohio on May 25th, 1969. Her childhood was marked by homelessness and copious abuse. Her extremely religious Christian family was also wholly unaware that Anne's father, a choir director who was also reportedly in the business of gas and oil, was leading a double life as a gay man. Speaking with Larry King in 2001, Anne would say about her father. He was in complete denial until the day he died. Anne's father drove her family into debt and, as a result, Anne, the second of five siblings, one of whom died in infancy, began acting at only 12 years old to help her family make ends meet.  Other members of Anne's family, including her mother, Nancy, and her sister Abigail, would question Anne's memories of her father, with her mother even going so far as to call them lies and blasphemies.  Things would turn around when during a sophomore high school production of The Skin of Our Teeth, a scout for the CBS soap opera As the World Turns spotted Anne and persuaded her to audition for the show. She landed the part, but her mother insisted that she refused to accept the role and to stay in school. Two years later, Anne would earn another chance at infamy when she was hired by the NBC soap opera Another World to play the double role of twins Vicky Hudson and Marley Love. Anne would remain on the series from 1987 to 1991 and even go on to win a Daytime Emmy Award for her performances, which in a strange twist would foreshadow Anne's own fate as the character of Vicky would fall into a coma for months after a car crash on the series. But as successful as Anne was in Daytime TV, it was really Hollywood where she would leave her mark. After appearing in small parts in early 90s films like Milk Money, I'll Do Anything and The Juror, Anne quickly ascended the Hollywood ladder from small indie films to blockbuster hits in her breakout year of 1997 starring alongside actors like Johnny Depp and Donnie Brasco, Tommy Lee Jones and Volcano and Dustin Hoffman and Wag the Dog. By 1998, she was appearing in Gus Van Sen's shot-for-shot remake of Hitchcock's Psycho. Then, she averaged a film a year for the following decade. Anne was choosing ambitious projects that allowed her to stretch her creativity while also juggling her responsibilities as a parent to her children. Homer, who she had in 2002 with her ex-husband, Coley LaFoune and Atlas, the son that she shares with her other ex, James Tupper. Anne would dedicate herself to her kids in her later years, but when she was at the peak of her career in Hollywood, she became one-half of the industry's most famous same-sex couples when she dated comedian Ellen DeGeneres for three years. Their relationship started in the late 90s and in fact, against the wishes of her studio, Anne would come out publicly at the 97 red carpet premiere Volcano by taking Ellen as her date. In a later interview with Page 6 in October 2021, Anne would say that she was actually blacklisted by Hollywood because of this relationship and after starring in Six Days, Seven Nights with Harrison Ford, Anne would never headline a major studio picture again. After she and Ellen parted ways, Anne would suffer a public breakdown in 2000 when, according to reports, she drove into the desert and walked some distance to a stranger's ranch where she asked to take a shower before settling into the stranger's living room to watch a movie. Eventually, the occupant of the home would call the local sheriff when Anne showed no sign of leaving. Following this event, Anne would be briefly admitted to a psychiatric unit where she told the doctors that she had taken ecstasy. In the years afterwards, Anne would speak candidly about her struggles with mental illness, including the revelation that she retreated to a fantasy world that she called the fourth dimension where she was actually a woman named Celestia, the half-sister of Jesus Christ. What could I do when I was Celestia? I spoke a different language. I spoke a different language that God and I spoke together. Can you still remember that language you spoke? Of course. Can you do any of it? Unfortunately, as much as she tried over the subsequent two decades to rid herself of her demons, it would definitely become an impossible task. On August 5, 2022, Anne Hayes would be involved in two separate car accidents. The first happened just after noon in the Marvista area of Los Angeles where she crashed into the garage of an apartment complex. She then reversed and sped off from the first accident only to once more lose control of her car and plunge into a nearby home igniting a fiery blaze. According to TMZ, Anne was under the influence of narcotics at the time of this event as cocaine was found to be in her system along with fentanyl, though the latter could have been a result of pain medication administered in the hospital. And while Anne was apparently awake and vocal at the time of her rescue, she would later slip into a coma for nearly a week before it was revealed that she was not expected to survive. Anne Hayes would be legally declared dead in the state of California on August 12 through her heart continued to beat until Sunday, August 14 to ensure that her organs could be donated in accordance with her wishes. Her death was officially ruled an accident and according to the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner Corner, she died due to inhalation of smoke and thermal injuries with a sternal fracture due to blunt trauma being another significant factor. Her now 20-year-old son Homer would pay tribute to his mother in a stirring statement to People magazine stating, After 60s of almost unbelievable emotional swings, I am left with a deep, wordless sadness. Hopefully my mom is free from pain and beginning to explore what I like to imagine is her eternal freedom. It's a truly tragic end to one of Hollywood's most recognizable names and we here at Famous Entertainment want to send out our well wishes and thoughts to Anne's surviving family, especially her two sons Homer and Alice. Like Homer himself suggested, the hope is that Anne is now in a better place where she can finally escape the torments of her past she was unable to shake throughout her career. Please take a moment to let us know your own thoughts on Anne Hayes' life and story in the comments down below. When you're finished with that, like, subscribe and turn on your notifications. 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