Hi, everyone. Welcome to this CUBE conversation here in Palo Alto, California. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE, here at our headquarters on the West Coast in Palo Alto, California. You've got a great news guest here, Matt McIlwain, Managing Director of Madrona Venture Group is here with me on the big news, Madrona raising their record, 690 million fund and partnering with their innovative founders. Matt, thanks for coming on and talking about the news and congratulations on the dry powder. Well, hey, thanks so much, John. Appreciate you having me on the show. Well, great news here, obviously validation. We're in a new market. Everyone's talking about the new normal. We're talking about a recession, inflation, but yet we've been reporting that this is kind of the first generation that cloud hyperscale, economic scale and technical benefits have kind of hit any kind of economic downturn. If you go back to 2008, our last downturn, the cloud really hasn't hit that tipping point. Now the innovation is we've been reporting with our startup showcases and looking at the results from the hyperscalers. This funding news is kind of validation that the tech society intersection is working. You guys just get to the news 430 million in the Madrona fund nine and 200 and I think 60 million acceleration fund three, which means you're gonna go stay with your roots with seed early stage and then have some rocket fuel for kind of the accelerated expansion growth side of it, not like late stage growth, but like scale and growth. This is kind of the news, is that right? That's right. We've had a long time strategy over 25 years here in Seattle of being early, early stage. It's like our friends at Amazon like to say as well, we're there at day one and we want to help build companies for the long run. For over 25 years, we've been doing that in Seattle and I think one of the things we've realized, I mean, these funds are the largest funds ever raised by a Seattle based venture capital firm and that's notable in and of itself, but we think that's the reason is because Seattle has continued to innovate in areas like consumer internet, software, cloud of course, where the cloud capital of the world and increasingly the applications of machine learning. And so with all that combination, we believe there's a ton more companies to be built here in the Pacific Northwest and in Seattle in particular and then through our acceleration fund where we're investing in companies anywhere in the country, in fact anywhere in the world, those are the kinds of companies that want to have the Seattle point of view. They don't understand how to work with Amazon and AWS. They don't understand how to work with Microsoft and we have some unique relationships in those places and we think we can help them succeed in doing that. You know, it's notable that you guys in particular have been very close with Jeff Bezos and Andy Jassy and the success of AWS as well as Microsoft. So, you know, Seattle has become cloud city. Everyone kind of knows that from a cloud perspective. I see Microsoft's roots have been there for a long, long time. You go back to that. I mean, August capital early days funding Microsoft. You remember those days, not the date myself, but you know, Microsoft kind of went up there and kind of established it, Amazon there as well. Now you got Google here. You got Facebook in the Valley. You guys are now also coming down. This funding comes on the heels of you appointing a new managing director here in Palo Alto. This is now the migration of Madrona coming into the Valley. Is that right? Is that what we're seeing? Well, I think what we're trying to do is bring the things that we know uniquely from Seattle and the companies here down to Silicon Valley. We've got a terrific partner in Karama Hendrew. He's somebody that we have worked together with over the years, co-investing in companies. So we knew him really well. It was a bit opportunistic for us. But what we're hearing over and over again is a lot of these companies based in the Valley, based in other parts of the country, they don't know really how to best work with the Microsofts and Amazons or understand the services that they offer. And we have that capability. We have those relationships. We want to bring that to bear and helping build great companies. What is your expectation on the Silicon Valley presence here?  But you got a lot of developers here. We just reported this morning that Meta just open-source PyTorch to the Linux Foundation. Again, a merry material kind of trend we're seeing open-source now has become. There's no debate anymore, has become the software industry. There's no more issue around that. This is real. I think that's right.  We think open-source is very interesting in terms of what it can produce and create in terms of next generation innovation. It's great to see companies like Facebook, like Uber and others that have had a long track record of open-source capabilities. But what we're also seeing is you need to build businesses around that, that a lot of enterprises don't want to buy just the open-source and stitch it together themselves. They want somebody to do it with them.  You know, they are increasingly embracing open-source and building finished services, managed services on top of it. So that's a big wave that we've been investing in for a number of years now and our highly confidence is going to continue.  But there's been a big trend in venture capital where a lot of the later stage folks including private equity have come in. You've seen Tiger Global, even Tiger Global alumni that the Cubs, they call them, you know, they're coming down and playing in the early stage. And the results haven't been that good. You guys have had a track record in your success. Again, 100% of your institutional investors have ponied up with you on this two fund strategy of close to 700 million. What's this formula says? Why aren't they winning? What's, is it, they don't have the ecosystem. Is it they're spraying and praying without a lot of discipline? What's the dynamic between the folks like Madrona, the NEAs of the world who kind of come in and Sequoias who kind of do it right, right? They come in and they get it done in the right way, early stage. Where's the say the private equity folks? You know, I think that early stage venture is a local business. It is a geographically proximate business. When you're helping incredible founders try to really dial in that early founder market fit. This is before you even get to product market fit. And so the team building that goes on, the talking to potential customers, the iterating on business strategy, this is a roll up your sleeves kind of thing. It's not a financial transaction. And so what you're trying to do is have a presence and an understanding of prepared mind of one of the big themes and the kinds of founders that with, you know, our encouragement and our help can go build lasting companies. And when you get to a later stage, you know, you get to that growth stage, it is generally more of a financial, you know, kind of engineering sort of proposition. And there's some folks that are great at that. What we do is we support these companies all the way through.  And we love partnering with some of these other people, but there's a lot of heavy lifting at the early stages of a business. And it's not, I think, a model that everybody's architected to do well. You know, trust becomes a big factor in all this. You kind of, when you talk about like that, I hear you speaking, it makes me think of like, trusted advisor meets money, not so much telling people what to do. You guys have had a good track record and being added value, not value subtract. And sometimes that value subtract is getting in the way of the entrepreneur by, you know, running the certain meetings, driving board meetings and driving the agenda. That you see to see that trend where people try too hard and force function the entrepreneur. We're living in a world now where everyone's talking to each other.  It's everyone's on Twitter, right? So, you can see some moves, someone trying to control the supply chain of talent by term sheet, overvaluing them. You guys have a different strategy. You guys have a network. I've noticed that Madrona has attracted the high end talent coming out of Microsoft, out of AWS season, senior talent. I won't say senior citizens, but you know, people have done things, scaled up businesses, as well as attract young talent. Can you share with our audience that dynamic of the seasoned veterans, the systems thinkers, the ones who have been there, done that, built software, built teams, to the new young entrepreneurs coming in? What's the dynamic like? How do you guys look at those networks? How do you nurture them? Could you share your strategy on how you're going to pull all this together going forward? You know, we think a lot about building the innovation ecosystem. Like a phrase around here that you hear a lot is the bigger pie theory. How do we build the bigger pie? If we're focusing on building the bigger pie, there'll be plenty of that pie for Madrona, Madrona companies. And that mindset says, okay, how are we going to invest in the innovation ecosystem? And then actually to use a term, you know, one of our founders who unfortunately passed away this year, Tom Albur, he had just written a book called Flywheel. So I think it embodies this mindset that we have of how do you create that flywheel within a community? And of course, interestingly enough, I think Tom both learned and contributed to that. He was on the board of Amazon for almost 20 years and helping build some of the flywheels at Amazon. So that's what we carry forward. And we know that there's a lot of value in experiential learning. And so we've been fortunate to have some folks who, you know, that have worked at some of those, you know, kind of iconic companies join us and find that they really love this company building journey. We've also got some terrific younger folks that have, you know, some very fresh perspectives and a lot of creativity and they're bringing that together with our team overall. And, you know, what we really are trying to do at the end of the day is find incredible founders who want to build something lasting and significant and provide our kind of our time, our best ideas, our perspective, and of course our capital to help them be successful. I love the ecosystem play. I think that's a human capital game too. I like the way you guys are thinking about that. I do want to get your reaction because I know you're close to Amazon and Microsoft, but mainly Jeff Bezos as well. You mentioned your partner who passed away was on the board. I saw a lot of great props and tributes online. I saw that. I didn't know him at all, so I really can't comment. But I did notice that Bezos and Jassy in particular were complimentary. And recently I just saw Bezos comment on Twitter about the Lord of the Rings movie they're putting out of the series. And he says, you got to have a team that's kind of like rebels on power phrasing because these folks never done a movie like this before. So they're getting good props and reviews. In this new world order entrepreneurs got to do things different. What's the one thing that you think entrepreneurs need to do different to make this next startup journey different and successful? Because the world is different. There's not a lot of press to relate to. Andy Jassy even on stage last week in LA was kind of, he's not really revealing. He's on his talking points messes. The press aren't out there in big numbers anymore. And you got a lot of different go-to-market strategies on the channel, social, different ways to communicate to customers. The product market fit becomes big. So how do you see this new flywheel emerging for those entrepreneurs that go out there, roll up their sleeves and make it happen? And what kind of resources do you think they need to be successful? What are you guys advocating? Well, you know, it's really interesting about that question is I've heard Jeff say many times that when people ask him what's got to be different he reminds them to think about what's not going to change. And he usually starts to then talk about things like price convenience and selection. Customers never going to want a higher price, less convenience, smaller selection. And so when you build on some of those principles of what's not going to change, it's easier for you to understand what could be changing as it relates to the differences. One of the biggest differences I don't think any of us have fully figured out yet is what does it mean to be productive in a hybrid work mode? We happen to believe that it's still going to have a kernel of people that are geographically close that are part of the founding and building in the early stages of a company. And, and it's an and equation, that they're going to also have people that are distributed around the country, perhaps around the world, that are some of the best talent that they attract to their team. The other thing that I think coming back to what remains the same is being hyper focused on a certain customer and a certain problem that you're passionate about solving. And that's really what we look for when we look for this founder market fit. And it can be a lot of different things from the next generation water bottle to a better way to handle deep learning models and get them deployed in the cloud. If you've got that passion and you've got some inkling of the skill of how to build a better solution, that's never going to go away. That's going to be enduring, but exactly how you do that as a team in a hybrid world, I think that's going to be different. And one thing that's not changing is that your investor makeup is not changing. 100% of your existing institutional investors have signed back on with you guys and you're oversubscribed. A lot of demand, what is your flywheel success formula? Why is Madrone is so successful? Can you share some of feedback from your investors? What are they saying? Why are they reupping? Share some inside baseball or anecdotal praise. Well, I think it's very kind of you to frame it that way. I mean, it does for investors come back to performance. These are university endowments and foundations that have a responsibility to generate great returns. And we understand that and we're very aligned with that. I think to be specific in the last couple of years, they appreciated that we were also not holding onto our stocks forever, that we actually made some thoughtful decisions to sell some shares of companies like Smartsheet and Snowflake and Accolade and others and actually distribute capital back to them when things were looking really, really good. But I think the other thing that's very important here is that we've created a flywheel with our core strategy of being Seattle based and then going out from there to try to find the best founders, build great companies with them, roll up our sleeves in a productive way and help them for the long term, which now leads to multiple generations of people at those companies and beyond that we want to partner with and back again. So you create this flywheel by having success with people and doing it in a respectful and as you said earlier, a trusted way. What's the message for the Silicon Valley crowd? Obviously Bay Area, Silicon Valley Palo Alto office in the center of it. Obviously you got them hybrid workforce, hybrid venture model developing. What's the goals? What's the message for Silicon Valley? Well, our message for the folks in Silicon Valley is the same as it's always been. We're excited to partner with them largely up here, again, because this is still our home base, but there'll be a select number of opportunities where we'll get a chance to partner together down in Silicon Valley. And we think we bring something different with that deep understanding of cloud computing, that deep understanding of applied machine learning. And of course some of our unique relationships up here that can be additive to what they've already done. And some of them are just great partners and have built, helped build some really incredible companies over the years. Matt, I really appreciate you taking the time for this interview, given the big news. I guess the question on everyone's mind, certainly the entrepreneur's mind is, how do I get some of that cash you have and put it into work for my opportunity? One, what's the investment thesis? Can take a minute to put the plug in for the firm. What are you looking to invest in? What's the thesis? What kind of entrepreneurs you're looking for? I know fund one is seed, fund nine is seed to A and B and the second one is beyond B and beyond for growth. What's the pitch? What's the pitch? You can think of us as any stage from pre-seed to series seed, we'll make a new investment in companies in all of those stages. I think that the core pitch to us is your passion for the problem that you're trying to get solved. And we're of course very excited about that. And at the end of the day, if you want somebody that has a distinct point of view on the market that is based up here and can roll up their sleeves and work alongside you, we're the ones that are more than happy to do that. Proven Tracker could have doing that for 25 plus years. And there's so much innovation ahead. There's so many opportunities to disrupt, to pioneer and we're excited to be a part of working with great founders to do that. Well, great stuff. We'll see you at AWS re-invent coming up shortly and your annual get together. You always have your crew down there and team engaging with some of the cloud players as well. And looking forward to seeing how the Palo Alto team expands out and Matt, thanks for coming on theCUBE. Appreciate your time. Thanks very much, John. Appreciate you having me. Look forward to seeing you at re-invent. Okay, Matt here with Madrona Venture Group. He's the partner, managing partner. Madrona Group raises 690 million to fund nine and big funds for accelerated growth, fund three, lot of dry powder. Again, entrepreneurship in technology is scaling. It's not going down. It's continuing to accelerate into this next generation, super cloud, multi-cloud, hybrid cloud world, steady state. This is theCUBE's coverage. I'm John Furrier with SiliconANGLE, host of theCUBE. Thanks for watching.


Dorothy Deasy is a freelance design researcher specializing in strategic qualitative projects for new product development and branding. She's currently working on an independent study of the societal meanings of empathy. She has a bachelor's degree in industrial and organizational psychology. Dorothy is a Christian existentialist and a Methodist. She received her masters of applied theology in 2011 and her thesis topic was theology for a transhuman age. She is an occasional contributor to the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies and she will speak to us on post biological transfiguration. It is with deep gratitude and indebtedness that I acknowledge the work of theologian John Dominic Crossen as the foundation and support for this paper. Is transfiguration simply a byproduct of the science and medicine that frees us from the limits of our biology? In the next few minutes using the key symbols within the Lucan transfiguration account, I hope to show that transfiguration may be viewed as a spiritual and communal transformation rather than simply a physical change. It is as much about the transfiguration of society as it is about the body. The Gospel writers likely did not create the accounts of the transfiguration with transhumanism in mind. They could no sooner anticipate the transhuman age than we can fully grasp the world of the 23rd century. Also, the transfiguration is a story suggested of several forms with strong eschatological overtones. And here, quoting Crossen, Israel's covenantal faith was that a God of, quote, justice and righteousness had created the earth and chosen Israel to be a witness to a lifestyle of distributive justice. But Israel's colonial experience was that the earth was thoroughly unjust and that Israel had received far more than its fair share of imperial justice. Israel reconciled its faith and its experience by insisting that God would, some day, quote, in the days to come, end quote, make an end to the evil injustice, oppression, war and violence here below upon a transformed earth. Eschaton was not, repeat not, about the destruction of the earth but about the transfiguration of the earth. The direction of Eschaton was not from earth to heaven but rather from heaven to earth. To inform the post-biological age, I'd like to use the luke in account of the transfiguration as an action parable to show transfiguration as spiritual and in cooperating with the divine. This from the Oxford, New Oxford Annotated Bible Revised Standard Edition. He took with him Peter and John and James and went up to the mountain to pray. And as he was praying, the appearance of his continence was altered and his raiment became dazzling white. And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem. As we meet here on Good Friday, we recall that the departure referred to in this account is his crucifixion and death. Jesus was sentenced to death because the Christian movement was perceived as a threat to imperial rule. Jesus was seeking a restoration of social and economic justice. His mission, and here again I'm quoting, crossing, was a challenge launched not just on a level of Judaism's strictest purity regulation or even on the Mediterranean's patriarchal combination of honor and shame, patronage and clientage, but at the most basic level of civilization's eternal inclinations to draw lines, invoke boundaries, establish hierarchies, and maintain discriminations. It did not invite a political revolution, but envisioned a social one. No importance was given to the distinctions of Gentile and Jew, female and male, slave and free, poor and rich. And for today I would add gay and straight. The transfiguration itself occurs as Jesus is praying. That he was praying clues us in that this is a mystical experience. The transfiguration stems from the spiritual realm. During this experience Jesus' continence has changed reminiscent of how Moses' face glowed after the encounter on Mount Sinai. And Jesus is seen in the presence of Moses. That symbolism is important because it alludes to Moses' actions of bringing his people out of slavery and the contrast between slavery and the promise of the covenant. Jesus also meets with Elijah. Elijah is a prophet whose feeding and healing miracles were similar to and predated those of Jesus. Craig Evans in his article, Luke's use of Elijah-alicious narratives and the ethic of election says, quote, the references to the Elijah-alicious stories would indicate that even the Gentiles would receive the benefits of the blessings of the Messianic era, unquote. Jesus through his life, works, teaching sought to establish a new paradigm. He contrasted the life of faith with an emphasis on sharing inclusiveness and wholeness against a political and economic system of oppression and poverty. When read as an action parable, the transfiguration challenges us as followers and as co-creators to live from the paradigm of our prophets. It emphasizes freedom over slavery, abundance over poverty and inclusiveness over marginalization. It speaks of the transfiguration of our society and social systems. So what does that mean for us? Today we have a greater capacity to manipulate the human body and other organisms than at any other time in history, ushering in changes that will no doubt transform society. We have gone beyond developing medication and vaccines to beginning to understand the neurochemical and genetic causes for disease. We create human non-human chimera and have advanced on the road to synthetic biology. We are continuing to increase the human lifespan, tilting the possibility for radical life extension more towards science than fiction. In short, we have gone from being at the mercy of nature to being co-creators of life forms and species. The technologies that will allow us to transcend the limits of our biology have already begun to emerge. A transformation of our society is also underway. Emerging alongside the technologies are issues of disparate access and the potential for exploitation. We have yet to deal with the ethical issues arising from surrogacy, especially international surrogacy and egg harvesting. While some state legislation may protect surrogates in the U.S., women in developing countries may be at increased risk of coercion. Another prominent example is the ACLU court challenge to genetic patents, specifically the patents on the genetic mutations that cause breast cancer. According to the ACLU website, quote, the suit charges that the patents stifle diagnostic testing and research that could lead to cures and that they limit women's options regarding their medical care. We are beginning to question, test and challenge the line between nature and industrialization. Genetic material can be mined for commercial purposes. We are living in an age where corporations are legally considered people, but the very material that makes us who we are may be considered a product. The genetics revolution is bound to bring about a boom for the economy and for helping address issues of food and energy shortages, as well as treatment for a wide range of diseases. Genetics research should continue and commercialism is likely to flow. At the same time, we need to create new models for the valuation of the breakthroughs that recognize what I believe to be the inherently sacred nature of our DNA. Bartha Noppers, a professor of law at the University of Montreal, said, quote, the question is not so much, are we a resource? I think we are.  We understand that our body can be useful for society and for others. The question is, how far do we go in recognizing that while we want to be useful, we want to participate. We don't want to exploit. To trade in human DNA, as if it were just another raw material, is at best biological colonialism, and if abused, may come dangerously close to human trafficking. The Department of Energy's website states, quote, patents for stem cells for monkeys and other organisms have already been issued. Therefore, based on past court rulings, human embryonic stem cells are technically patentable. A lot of social and legal controversy has developed in response to the potential patentability of human stem cells. A major concern is that patents for human stem cells and human cloning techniques violate the principle against the ownership of human beings, unquote. The spiritual component of transfiguration confers upon us responsibility for ensuring freedom and inclusiveness. As religious, spiritual, and humanist transhumanists, we are called to transfigure not just ourselves, but our society as a whole. We have a responsibility to speak up for the voiceless, to advocate for guidelines and regulations that ensure true choice relative to adoption of biological technologies. We need to guard against developments that lead either to suffering or to diminishing the perceived value of the unenhanced. Beyond US regulation, we need to seek to establish global governing authorities and to draft and enforce ethical standards. And four, we must be on the forefront of developing new methods for valuation of research and innovation that do not simultaneously exclude the poor, the marginalized, and the powerless from the benefits of innovative discoveries. A post-biological age will allow us to be transfigured, but only if we can do so with empathy, compassion, and justice for all. Thanks. We had to talk earlier about compassionate obsolescence, and I'm wondering if you see religion as being the vehicle of choice moving forward to deliver these aesthetics, or if you see religion itself having a compassionate phase of obsolescence. Wow, that's a really interesting question. I think, as other speakers have noted, that our moral and spiritual paradigms need to change and keep pace with our scientific and computational ones. So if we resort to fundamentalism, then, yeah, there's an obsolescence there, but I think we can continue to use spirituality as a way to inform us towards empathy and compassion. Thank you.


SEGA DRUNK Two of the best cheap cartridges you can get for the Super Nintendo have long been the Tiny Toons games made by Konami, Buster, Bust, Loose, and the four player compatible Wacky Sports Challenge. The Sega Genesis has two Tiny Toons games of its own, also made by Konami, Buster's Hidden Treasure, and Acme All-Stars. Starting with Buster's Hidden Treasure, this game is your traditional Hoppin' Bop Mario-style platformer complete with a world map, 24 different levels, and all the generic platforming settings like the Ice Stage, the Fire Stage, the Forest Stage, you get the idea. It's a little different from its SNES Tiny Toons counterparts, however, since the Dash mechanic is done away with, more or less, in this game you just begin to run the longer you hold down left or right, and you press the B button to slide into enemies, which is pretty fun. You also hold down and a horizontal direction to crawl, which helps you slow down. One fun aspect of the SNES game was being able to climb walls, and you can still do that in this game too, just by doing a good old-fashioned wall jump. There are special items you can find that enable help from your friends. Press the C button, and Little Beeper, Concord Connor, or Sneezer will clear the screen of enemies. Speaking of those characters, this game does a great job representing the Tiny Toons franchise. You see almost everyone from the show in this game. All their likenesses are recreated perfectly. It helps set the story as geared in a way that you get to see a ton of characters, since Montana Max enlisted Elmyra to kidnap and hypnotize Babs, Plucky, Fee Fee, Hampton, among others, to help Max look for treasure. So yeah, if you like the show, you'll really like this game. Like I said, there's 24 levels, and every few you have to fight a boss fight, where you have to take out this scientist that has your tune friends hooked up to these hypnosis helmets, and it's your job to bust them loose. This game isn't very long, but there is a password system here if you need it, but yeah, Buster's Hidden Treasure is a really well-made game. Sure, it's all the usual settings, but at least they all look great, and the music is pretty good too. Plus, this is the kind of platformer you can approach in a couple different ways. You can collect everything and go for 100%, or you can speedrun and finish the game as quickly as possible. The boss fights are also really well done, but I gotta say this game is pretty dang easy, as you might expect. If you want a challenge, you'd be better off looking elsewhere, but either way, Buster's Hidden Treasure is yet another great Tiny Tunes game. It seems this franchise can't go wrong when it comes to video games. And that brings me to Tiny Tunes Adventures, Acme All Stars. Again, this is the Genesis answer to the Super Nintendo's wacky sports challenge. This is a series of five arcade-style games featuring basketball, soccer, and bowling, in addition to an obstacle course race and whack-a-mole, where you beat the crap out of Montana, which is pretty funny. Again, this is a great representation of the show, nailing the color palette and the art style perfectly, and there's 12 playable characters here, some even with unique moves. That's pretty cool. Okay, they're not really all that unique from each other, but it's still a nice touch. The basketball and soccer stand out here in particular as fun. They're both three-on-three, when both have the same kind of vibe that the Super Nintendo's Looney Tunes B-Ball has. Just a crazy, fast-paced, no-holds-barred style that's really fun, especially with the second player. There's no fouls or off-sides or anything, so you can just go nuts. Those two are definitely the highlight here. The other three games really feel like mini-games without much to them. Bowling is just, you know, bowling. Whack-a-mole is kind of fun for a minute or two, and the obstacle course is over before you know it. One interesting feature here is the story mode. Unlike Wacky Sports Challenge, you can actually quote-unquote finish this game. You have to complete all the events in order, some more than once, and there's even a password system to save your progress. I'm not sure if that sort of thing is gonna be much of a selling point for anyone, but I thought it was interesting enough to point out. So yeah, I don't know what it is about the combination of Konami and Tiny Tunes, but they can't seem to miss. Even when the game is just okay-ish, like Acme All-Stars, it's still got some great qualities, and Buster's Hidden Treasure in particular is one worth seeking out even if you don't care for Tiny Tunes. It's just a well-made platformer. The bottom line is, if it says Tiny Tunes and Konami on the label, you can't go wrong.