Good morning everybody I'd like to call to order the June 26th meeting of the Board of Supervisors if we could begin with a roll call Please Here Here if you could please join us in a moment of silence and the Pledge of Allegiance Good morning, Mr. Palacios are there any changes to today's agenda Yes, we have a number of corrections on the consent agenda item number seven There's additional materials. There's a revised attachment be minutes of June 12th 2018 On item number 78 Staff requests that this item be deleted Item 79 should read continued public hearing to consider Certification of the vote results for County service area numbers 23 Old Ranch Road 28 Norman Terrace 36 Forest Glen be Hayward Zone and 59 MacGuffin Mill Road and take related actions as outlined in the memorandum of the deputy CAO director of Public Works Item continued from June 12 2018 Staff requests that this item be moved to the regular agenda as Item 89.1 There's a denda to the consent agenda There's a denda item 83.1 which is to authorize the chair to write a letter to senator wiener and our Legislative delegation in support of Senate bill 822 as amended in the California State Senate prior to amendments made in the Assembly Communications and Convance Committee on June 20 2018 as recommended by Supervisor friend item 83.2 approve contract change order in the mount of 137,138 dollars and 62 cents for the Aptos Village improvements phase one project and take related actions as recommended by the deputy CAO director of Public Works and item 83.3 Approve independent contractor agreement with hope services for labor services for mixed recoverable material sorting and recycling operations at the county's Buena Vista landfill from July 21 2018 to June 30th 2022 in the not to exceed amount of 90,000 dollars per fiscal year and take related actions as recommended by the deputy CAO director of Public Works That concludes the corrections Thank you. We'll now begin with the consent agenda Good morning Supervisor Caput. Are there any items you'd like to briefly comment on or any items you'd like to pull on the consent agenda? I'll just comment. Thank you chairman On item 30 and 32. They're both related on separation of families at the border and I I think it's You know a terrible thing that's going on and we we've got a we've got to come up with something that's more humane and Treat people with respect Papers don't make people Either good or bad so When somebody is being detained You can't You can't blame the children that are being in that are involved in this at all and They they really need respect and they need humane treatment at the border regardless of How anybody believes they are innocent to the children being separated from their mother or father is It's not It's not a good reflection on our country. We are a country of immigrants and We have to show the world that we are Meeting people with respect and dignity so and and also families with respect and dignity So anyway, I'm happy that we have that on our agenda today Thank you Thank You Supervisor Capic good morning Supervisor McPherson. Yeah agreed item number 16. I want to just thank the County administrative officer and the whole team and the effort that we had to To get this our county strategic plan this place for 2018 to 2024 it's a great step forward. It's going to give us And the general public of a better idea of where we are and where we're going and I want to congratulate you It's been a two-year effort and it's Everybody's to be commended who worked on it so much and thank you very much On item number 39. I think it's great another cooperative effort with the Volunteer Center to operate the court referral program from July of this year to June 30th 2021 especially want to thank Karen Delaney of Volunteer Services or the Volunteer Center and Jim Raposa for putting this together and the probation officer our probation team to that Put this in place. This is going to be a really great cooperative effort to help a lot of people that they can use I'm a direct attention Also on items number 43 and 4 the report on the homeless outreach and the serial inebriate program Not all in the same, but other there They are pretty much work together. We're doing a lot to try to address some Relatively new serious problems serious to the degree that they are today and I think we've done a very good job and our health services and human services have done a terrific job of Outreach and trying to get a program so we can reach more people that need some help and we're going to be able to provide it with a good plan of attack that we have now I believe and number 60 and 61 It's finally arrived. It's going to happen the library We're going to approve these plans and specifications for the engineers estimate and authorize the calling for bids for the Felton library It's been a long time coming and there's been a tremendous amount of people in the center runs a valley who Have waited a long time for this to happen and it's going to be a really good Cooperative effort with a park Right a discovery park right next to it adjacent to it First of its kind in the state of California, I believe so it's it's really exciting news and to approve the contractor agreement with Bogart construction We're we're ready to go and I think brown will be broken this fall and we'll have a Library or year from this fall and felt it'll be a real great asset for the People of Santa Rosa Valley and the entire Santa Cruz County community. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning supervisor Coonerty All right. Good morning. Good morning, everybody Just a couple items to comment on the first is item number 18, which is our integrated pet management report I'm glad to see that we're reducing our use to for a dense toxic pesticides We need to keep reducing our use Are to wean ourselves off of our denticides. I think we set good policies in our cannabis for our cannabis growers locally and The county should be following suit over this year on items number 30 and 32 as was mentioned you know, it's it's shocking and Sickening the policies that our federal government is currently engaging in is separating families and harming children and using basically children as a political tool And I'm glad that locally we're renouncing it and I hope that our country changes course quickly On item number 35 the childhood advisory council. I thought it was an excellent report and I want to Appreciate their effort to basically acknowledge the lack of childcare resources But then figure out a new method of funding and potentially ways to increase the availability of child care for especially for working families in our community and then finally on item number 81 Which is the Davenport water line project. I want to give a special thanks out to Ken Edler who identified the USDA grant Which was able to get these water lines restored to keep water flowing to the community without Forcing this that small community to bear the full cost of that repair So really good works to a really good work by public works and Ken Edler and specifically so thank you Thank you. Good morning Supervisor Leopold. Good morning chair. Just a couple of Comments on on some of the items as was stated on item 30 and 32 This is a horrific practice that our government is engaged in and I'm glad that we're taking a stand here reflecting where everybody that I talked to is at and It's is not an effective means to Stop illegal immigration. It's an effective means to ruin families and traumatize kids for the rest of their lives On item number 39, which is the agreement with the Volunteer Center to operate the court referral program Community options has has done a very good job over many years to run this program But I was glad to see that it was incorporated as part of the Volunteer Center And we're expanding some of the services in the way we do it to better support people who? Could fulfill their responsibilities in other ways other than being incarcerated and also contributing back to the community On item number 45 I was really glad to see this memorandum of understanding with Cabrillo College about the nurse residency program We have an incredible resource At Cabrillo College their nurse nursing program is one of the highest rated in the state And the fact that what our health services agency is doing a partnership So we could have students interested in public health is a win on every single level Both for the for both institutions and the people involved and the community at large on item number 52 Which is the winter storm projects update? I appreciate this information, and I would request that in future reports. We also get the priority list So we can match the projects in progress with the ones that we've designated as high priorities So we can be able to share that with people And if I that could be an additional direction To come back with a report With the priority list as well But I appreciate the work that has gone on to to help Repair the storm damaged roads on item number 71 I'm glad to see that we're approving these agreements with both the gray bears in the Valley women's club They provide an incredibly important service and being a site where people can bring recyclables And a divert items from our waste stream. This is incredibly important as we talked about during the budget hearings We have a limited lifespan on our landfill. So anything that we can divert As the life of that and saves us a lot of money So this is a small amount to pay to support two good community organizations And and help the county as well The last item is item 83.1, which is the letter about SB 822 I completely agree that senator Weiner's bill Was a great bill when it started and it has been Basterized in committee I think we should we should clearly say that we oppose the current bill Unless it's amended back to what it was and I just want to make sure that the letter that gets reflected in the letter Because it says support a 822 as amended prior Prior to the amendments made in the assembly communications And I just think we need to oppose the bill currently because it's it's it's not what they claim it to be That's fine as the as the individual that brought for that item since the it is a little bit of a confusing title It's kind of has a double negative It makes more sense to have the language of the supervisor we upholds asking for it has the exact same effect Thank you for those changes was the item you were looking for the additional direction again Number 52 52. Thank you, which was the public works winter storm update So I have a couple of brief comments and an additional direction on item 16, which is a strategic plan I'd like to add some additional direction, which is when the CAO returns on September 25th at if feasible to add a line to our future agenda reports After the financial impact that shows what strategic plan goal the item is related to so that all items that come forward from Staff just have a line that we can show is connected to the strategic plan or not On future items, but I'll leave it as if feasible since I'm not familiar enough with the agenda management system Know how easy that is to do or not, but when you come back on on the 25th and just a brief thing on that I appreciate my colleagues on item 30. Obviously item 30 and 32 are related item 32 I brought forward which was in part to support senator Feinstein's Senate bill 30 36 which is to keep the families together act which is in response To the actions that are occurring right now on the border. I think that Considering the fact that there's 49 co-sponsors for that It's a clue that there's a lot of good elements in that bill and would actually set forward policy I think for the country that's much better than what we're doing Right now on 83.1, which is the item that I brought forward regarding senator Weiner's bill It's just in support of net neutrality before the current administration killed every element associated with that He had a bill that was in many respects gutted in the assembly And this is to show support for his original bill or as senator excuse me a supervisor Leopold noted to oppose the amended bill and to support the bill that was originally in the Senate and That's all that that I have on consent I'd like to open it up for the community to speak briefly on items on consent as there's anybody that like to address Us on items and consent now would be your opportunity Good morning. Good morning. My name is Becky Steinbruner. I'm a resident of Aptos and I would Like to pull two items from the consent agenda to be put on the regular agenda, please item number 83.2 Which was recently added to the consent agenda and Item 74 Are there any other items you want to comment on yes Please go ahead. Thank you Regarding item 12 approval By the county to hold full sort of hit certificate of financial responsibility For petroleum underground storage tanks. I would like to hear that this is a some assurance that this will be only for Underground storage tanks on county property and could not include any possible action regarding UST's on private property such as the Aptos village project Item 16. I have a lot of concerns about the strategic plan. I see in today's Agenda for your meeting that public comment has been put at the very end of today's rather than at the beginning and I do not think that this is in keeping with the intent of Increase public input and transparency With your local government process So I have questions about how the strategic plan of effects or me weigh in on that On item number 56. I would like to publicly thank the director of public works Mr. Machado for responding so promptly to my questions about this item yesterday He's a great asset to this county and I really as a member of the public appreciate him And I believe that's all that I oh, yes item number 78 Vacating a portion of McGregor Drive right-of-way adjacent to 2,000 Drive that item. I'm sorry before you showed up was actually deleted personnel request. Yeah, okay Thank you for letting me know. Thank you. That's all I have to comment on We'll make item 74 eighty six point one and item 83 point two eighty six point two Thank you very much. Thank you Anybody else like to address us on consent Marilyn Garrett 37-year resident of Aftos and I'd also like to say for item 12 of the underground storage tanks and County being financially responsible. I That Becky made a correct statement. This should be only on County own property Because on private property those who put the tanks in and are responsible for any Removal or spill that should be the Responsibility of those who will own the tanks and put them in the county with our taxpayer money Should not be picking up that tab. It's improper the items 18 and 19 Integrated pest management program Changes and crane pest control Um Pesticides are toxic. We need non-toxic methods of pest control. I have to look at that When County supervisors Puri and Stone Were on the board After about five years of effort We in the county were able to stop the county roadside spraying Roundup all over it was a lot of effort and I want to be assured that the county is not reverting back to you think this Monsanto toxic pesticide on the roadside Item let's see the one is at 75 What is it active transportation program Pedestrian improvements on Green Valley Road I Would like some specifics to that but this is your area. I think supervisor Caput These radar signs are highly dangerous. I'm going to be assured that those are not part of Pedestrian safety radar. It's not safe. It's highly damaging and Lastly, I wanted to command you supervisor Caput and Coonerty for item 30 on the separation of Families at the border to what I've been hearing. This is this is kidnapping This is child kidnapping and I've heard that some of the parents are being Deported back to their country while the children are here and looking at US history It's not surprising slavery Indigenous people thank you miss Garrett and I it is an outrage. Thank you for that resolution Thank you. Anybody else like to address us on consent Mr.. Alexander welcome. Thank you Sorry about that. It's hard to produce your own videos, but I want to be able to before I pivot into my public comment because I know that the Oral communication is put off to the back But I just want to remind the members of the public what it is to be a good flag waving Americans because we are good people And I do appreciate you guys You I want to be able to before I go into this I just want to be able to object to the procedure of burying the Oral communication or the public comment at the very end switching it up I would say that we need to have a steering committee a public comment steering committee And I know I know that it's off the topic, but it's procedural. How am I going to protest? How am I going to be able to let members of the public know that they're burying the public comment? I can't miss there's Alexander just speak to consent to speak to the consent items Oral communications was time-certained at 1 30 because this meeting goes on till three o'clock or later today because of budget hearings We were trying to actually have it at a time that people would know when it would be so the people could show up It's actually a convenience issue. It's not the accusations are what they are But speak to the items on consent, which is what we're doing right now Yeah, I do apologize for being recalcitrant, but I'm just passionate about the public comment I would say we need to put put it back at the beginning because people can't wait to the very end in San Jose It sounds a city the city meetings they put public comment people have to wait to two o'clock in the morning I would like it going back at the beginning. Thank you Okay, thank you. Is anybody else that specific to the consent agenda or the board will take item on consent Thank you for waiting My name is Richard Lewis Basically, I came here for On the consent, but I'm really happy to see that on September 25th, and that's the I Thought you might have pulled it. I don't want to pull it I just want to acknowledge Carlos's work in putting a I think since sliced bread That possibility that all of you who are sitting up there I remember John's comment about concern for reaching out to the Latino community I've passed out some of these to some of the stakeholders prior From a group in Oakland. I'm not going to expect any of you to see the research But key youth voice and student empowerment is this international human right and If there's ever been somebody coming from a community now running our county It's our CEO. And so I look forward to coming back on the 25th and Share I'm just want to share that this Green Line Institute is possibly like with Strategic planning there are so many organizations outside our county But the people who sponsored their summit is just tremendous So today I'm going to ask if you remember USA and how we're all concerned with what's happening at the border There's reason why in other countries this is coming So I don't want to pull but I want to acknowledge each of you to see what we can do With on the 25th concrete process next steps So I'm honored to Try to pass on to some of you as you know, I've tried to communicate that for six years. We have a county structure Coming up since sliced bread Let's see what we can do differently in our county to connect to state and federal resources Honored to be here, but I did come I thought we've had another presentation But I'm honored to see that we're going to have something different coming up on the 25th. Thank you Thank you. Is there anybody else I'd like to address us on consent Morning, thank you. My name is Lynn Miller, and I'm the I guess outgoing president of community options I want to take this opportunity to thank the board of supervisors the county ministry of office Probation department for working with us in this transition It's been a Herculean task for our staff to get this done. They've done it Karen and Jim repose have been instrumental in making this work But more than anything else I want to thank this board on behalf of the people they can't speak today Won't know about this until they have the opportunity of going through this system Those are the important ones you help today. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for your work Anybody else on consent? Okay, see none as we'll bring back to the board. Is there a motion for the amendment? amended We have a motion from supervisor Leopold a second from Supervisor Caput for the amended consent agenda including two items that have been Pulled all those in favor I Opposed it passes unanimously. We'll now move on to the regular agenda first item is item 84 Which is a presentation by PG knee regarding the community wild fire safety program and implications for Santa Cruz County and take related actions is outlined in the memo of the director of General services Mr. Bean are you gonna introduce this item before PG knee speaks? Yes, great Welcome, thank you board chair friend Michael Beaton director of general services on March 22nd of this year PG PG knee announced The release of a new comprehensive community wild fire Safety program over the last few months county staff including Cal fire have been meeting with representatives at PG knee to understand the local impacts of its implementation Here today to give an overview of PG knees community wild fire safety program and its potential local impacts to Santa Cruz County Are Joe foster government relations representative and Greg Lemler vice president of electric transmission operations Who happens to also receive the emergency preparedness and response for PG knee? Thank you for the introduction Mr. Foster you introducing this item for PG knee. Yes chair friend members of the board Thank you for having us here today and mr. Beaton. Thank you for the introduction so as mentioned we've We're introducing our community wildfire safety program. We've met with the county a few months ago met with the administration to Start conversations about this program and the importance of the work and and what we're planning to do going forward And we've since then held a subsequent meeting with county OES to discuss communications around this program particularly on the topic of power of public safety power shutoff Which we'll discuss in detail during the presentation we There are actually three main components to this program one is the the proactive Public safety power shutoff aspect of it another is Increased vegetation management practices that we will be talking about at length here shortly And the last one is what we call hardening of our electric system So looking at opportunities to bolster both wires poles infrastructure related to our transmission and distribution system in the event or in areas that are at particular risk threat of wildfire and safety issues, so As mentioned Greg Limlers here with me today. He's the vice president of electric transmission operations I'll let him talk a little bit about his role with that as well as his role in our safety organization and Hand the presentation over to Greg. It's about a 15 to 20 slide presentation So we'll try to get through it as quickly as possible and hopefully we can hold questions until the end of the presentation So thank you. Morning mr. Linder. Thank you for being here. Yeah, good morning Thank you for the opportunity to share our community wildfire plan with you this morning We believe it's a really important opportunity for us to address the Kind of the changing climate conditions we're experiencing here in California It's unfortunate, but that's just the reality and we have been taking proactive steps to make sure that the public safety is is considered and Make sure that we we can meet the requirements going forward yet providing our electricity To the homes and businesses in in the northern central, California Safely, so what I'd like to do is just Share with you kind of the three areas. We're we're following and go through a little more in detail We're really been focused on A how do we bolster and get ahead of a file wildfire prevention and emergency response And we have set up a new wildfire safety operation center That's monitoring and working with cal fire monitoring fires in the area weather conditions Other conditions that that will trigger wildfires wind low humidity high fuel load, etc We have that man or a staff 24 7 in our san francisco office We just opened that facility earlier this month. It went of excuse me in in may of this year We're also Expanding the weather stations that are in the state That are not only used by the national weather service But also the state of california cal fire and as you know There's a lot of micro climates in this in our state and we're trying to put up weather stations in those high risk area fire risk areas And try to get more detailed granular information of weather conditions and issues And then we are we're looking at a wildfire infrastructure protection team that we're bringing in To help us to when we go into these high risk areas, especially during the summer to work on our facilities Whether energized lines. We want to make sure we're doing that safely our crews are safe And make sure that if if anything is if there are any problems that we can mitigate those quickly We've also been working with communities to enhance our our safety measures We're we're de-energizing our lines. We have a public safety shutdown program That's really our last resort if we have to we're also Disabling what we call our reclosers or there's automatic switches that we have on our lines Um, and I don't know if you've ever experienced it But when the power goes out sometimes the power will come back in in like 30 seconds And then it'll either go back out again or it'll stay back on what that is is that's an automatic switch That senses the the power and if and if there's a problem on the line Um, it will it'll keep the power out. So what we're doing is if there is Concerns of a wire down or something of that nature. We don't want to make we don't want that power to or that line to re-energize so we're going through and we've actually are De-energized or disabling that that capability and we do it on a we have both manual switches and automatic switches The manual switches we've already de-disabled And we are in the process and when we get into certain conditions We will do that automatically from our control centers And then we're also looking at how do we enhance our our vegetation And vegetation management in these high extreme areas and then finally we're looking at what can we do in the long term to Strengthen the resiliency of the electric transmissions or the electric system Um, but in these high fire risk areas and modifying designs with coated wire with replacing power poles with non wood products And then also working with communities to develop micro grids where we have to so if we do have to shut off power in some of these areas Those residents in those areas have an opportunity or a place to go And how do we keep electricity to those some of those facilities? So let me let me get into Some of what's driving a lot of this and the cpc Issued a this fire high fire threat district map back in january And you can see it's a it's really identifies those those high fire areas both tier two and tier three Tier three is the extreme We that's the area where we will be taking proactive measures to shut off power if conditions are such as a last resort But tier two and three are are really the high risk areas that That the commission has identified in working with cal fire and others It's interesting if you looked at this map Probably 10 15 20 years ago It was very spotted It wasn't basically now most of the coastal range And the the sierras has become high risk and I think again that's Uh prevalent due to our the changing climate that we're seeing in california Here is a kind of a Zoom in on on santa claire. Uh, excuse me santa cruz county Um, and you can see quite a bit of the county is is going to be impacted or is impacted. It has tier three and tier two The the chart on the lower left Are those Communities and those customers Homes and businesses that would be affected if we had to proactively shut off the power in those tier three areas So that gives you an idea of the magnitude Again proactively. What have we been doing? We have a new wildfire safety operations center And in that basically is monitoring 24 7 wildfire conditions again working with the state and cal fire and local districts On how do we respond to fires? How do we get prepared? This is more of a central monitoring the weather conditions like I mentioned it monitors All those things that may trigger and or Extend a wildfire the other thing that so so what we do is in combination with a central monitoring If we do have these conditions that identified Um, we have a report that comes out that looks out seven days based on weather forecasts And that weather forecast then identifies whether it's uh All the way up to an extreme type condition and we monitor then we will send out First responders, uh, pgne troubleman others to kind of get field A monitor the conditions in the field in those areas that we've identified as extreme To get their eyes on the ground looking at whether, you know, we've got high winds where things are starting to blow into our lines Or things of that nature Before we make a call as far as de-energizing Um In the public safety shut off program that we mentioned this is new for us Um, this again is really a last resort type effort. We certainly don't want to do this. This is really um When it comes to public safety Obviously fire is is a higher priority than keeping the lights on but we don't take it lightly We want to ideally keep the lights on it kind of goes against our grain of Of our business of keeping the lights on but Again, like I mentioned with the new normal in california. We uh, we have to do this As a proactive measure so Like I mentioned, we are we're doing the monitoring on those high fire risk areas And again, this is only for tier three areas that you that you saw on the map earlier Um And then what we plan to do is anywhere between it could be just an hour or it could be up to 24 Uh, 48 hours where we're going to notify Uh communities we're going to notify customers in those areas About the the possibility of us proactively shutting off power Um, and then Once we do shut off power We're going to have to wait until the conditions are such that it allows us, you know, the wind starts dying down, etc The weather conditions are right and before we will energize those lines. We have to do a Of a visual a view of those lines or patrol those lines Completely just to make sure that there isn't a wire down There is another condition a tree branch or a tree laying in our line That could start a fire so Once the line is out of service it will be out of service for for a longer Then than typical because we're going to have to again Visually put eyes on it to make sure there aren't any other hazards before we re-energize Uh, so I talked about this a little bit frequent frequency. Um, it's really going to depend where at this point It's a guesstimate may happen once or twice During the fire season It may not it may happen more often. We don't know It's really kind of new this year. We're we're exploring that we're trying to figure out how to make that happen But based on what we're seeing so far this year and the fires that we're seeing in california I would expect that we will be shutting off power Proactively again and hopefully notifying customers in those areas quickly enough And again our target has been is at least 24 hours And many of it we will try to again It's a seven day forecast We'll try to get out as early as we can and notify as the possibility The challenge it for us is we just don't want to cry wolf kind of things too often Because as the weather conditions change it it fluctuates and it can fluctuate up to 24 hours. So Again, we're going to be working on that but our goal is to give as much advanced notice To everyone that's going to be affected as possible Um, so again, but but it also can depend.  We proactively shut off the power But again, most of those customers were evacuated already or were out of the area Um, you know, we're right in the middle of our outreach program We've sent out letters to all of our customers in the tier three area that are effective. We've been going around to many county Uh community As as much as possible and we're continuing to do that To share what we're doing how we're doing it gathering feedback on what we can do to get better This is kind of a new normal for us as well. So we're all learning through this This this this this this event and what we're setting up on Going forward on our plan One thing we are doing is we're really focusing on also Customers like we have in the past around being prepared for any emergency whether it's an earthquake wildfire anything else We we believe it's really important for everyone To be prepared for the worst case scenario plan for the worst and expect the best has always been our model And we really encourage customers to make sure they're they're they're prepared for it And one of them is not only just to have You know batteries for their smoke alarms fire extinguishers fire fighting protection to get them out of the area But also an emergency plan and practicing and just simple things like how do you manually open your garage door when the power Goes out and things like that and thinking about if I didn't have power What do I need to do to be prepared Another part of our program is enhanced Is we're enhancing the width in the our type of vegetation management in both the tier two and three areas Excuse me in the tier three areas a new there's a new state requirement for us That our clearing requirement is going to have to go to from a foot and a half on either side of a line on our distribution circuits to now four feet And to do that as you know we're and and in addition to that in the past we would trim Typically around a circuit Now we're going to be trimming from the ground to the sky so it'll be clear on either side It's very similar to the way we do our vegetation management on the transmission system the large The large transmission system that go the wires that go through We're going to be doing that for our distribution circuits as well Um and what that will require us to do is the minimum clearance is four feet on either side We're going to have to actually clear out further than that unfortunately, but that's that's and then Provide some protection around that So here's kind of uh What we're looking at we're right really trying to create what we're calling in and working with the fire organizations on a fire defense zone under the lines It's interesting uh cal-fi and others have actually used these uh, some of these uh, these corridors and these zones as Uh defense zones for for their fires and their firefighting capabilities Um, and I mentioned the recloser procedure in our program. We're already implemented that so our lines don't automatically reclose into the uh into these areas some of these areas that will require us to again patrol lines and we'll probably have outages that'll last longer than we typically have had in the past Um, and then finally our hardening program. We've been on a on a mission to Modernize our our electric system For for several years now. We've invested well over a billion dollar 15 billion dollars And we continue to do that going forward and we're again modifying our design and and In these high-risk areas where we're going to be coding the lines right now. They're bare aluminum We're going to have what we uh, it's going to have a light insulation on it Did we call a tree wire? So if a branch or something falls into the line or grows goes across two phases of a line It won't automatically ignite it'll able to uh protect it from from that We're also looking to spread our circuit wire the wires further apart So there's more ability for those lines not to slap together in high wind conditions and things of that nature and then also replacing um Many of these wood wood poles in these areas with non wood type Poles just to give you an idea. We have well over 13,000 miles of distribution circuit that go through these tier three Within our service territory that we're going to have to be that we're going to be working on over the many next several years and beyond And that's really the extent of it. I guess here's some opportunities. We'd ask One thing we're asking customers now is to really visit our pg.com Forward slash wildfire safety We're really interested in getting current information and contact information from them so we can notify them during during these conditions And there's also quite a bit of other good information on that on that website We encourage everyone to go to that site for additional information. So with that, I'll stop and open up for questions Thank you. We'll bring it back to the board. I do have a couple of quick questions and some comments um, you know, I really think this is actually a very significant change of Of process it could have significant impacts on uh residents throughout the unincorporated portions of the county While you touched on it, I didn't quite feel satisfied on a couple of elements, which is like I would like to get some greater clarification Reading from one of your slides. You said if we need to turn off power We will attempt to contact customers in advance to prepare The next slide you said that could be a one hour to 48 hour notification You know the attempt versus that we will is is is disconcerting to say the least Secondly one hour to 48 hours is not a lot of notification Residents I mean predicted storm events People start to prepare for Events that don't really seem In your consciousness to be causing any issues in the community that you are shutting off power proactively for reasons that you determined to be problematic Are harder for somebody to be able to prepare for obviously Um, I have concerns of my real residents that rely on home dialysis or oxygen for example life Necessity elements, um, I didn't see something in here that's specified that PG would be setting up You know emergency centers for these people that they would have enough time to be able to commute down or be received transportation Emergency transportation down So what does PG need doing on those in those regards again? I have constituents that have told me when we had the last winter when we would receive these notifications from mr Foster we would share that information widely that they would Leave their residents because they had enough notification to go find locations where they would have power for these issues I don't have confidence in this situation. My residents are going to have that same Uh level of notification and I don't really Um, it's obviously a problem. It's not uh of how people are going to be able to live legitimately in these situations. So What does PG needs plan? I mean a it shouldn't be a we will attempt. It should be we will contact b It should be better than an hour I mean and c there needs to be some sort of situation by which people that have these life-threatening issues That rely on the power grid to actually keep them at home and alive Uh that there's some sort of center set up or some sort something that PG needs funding to ensure that happens So if you could address those I'd appreciate it. You bet and I'll let joe add At his comments as well The the reason we say attempt we will we're gonna we're gonna proactively try to Contact everyone that's going to be affected the challenge for us is we're relying on those customers to provide us information That we can contact them with so we're we actually and that's one of the requests we have is we don't have Accurate information for every customer in those locations, but that's what we're asking for We're going to need that other end of it and we're going to make every attempt possible Not only through direct contact We're going to be if they want us to text them, we'll do that call them. We'll do that We're going to be doing it through social media. We're going to be doing it through the media We're going to doing it for every communication Avenue available to us the challenge again for us is not we say attempt because We really are depending on those customers to let us know some customers will let us know and are very good about that Some customers won't and don't want to give us that information. So that's really Why that kind of wording and is in there now the The the I kind of brushed on it, but we're really trying to send up Community centers and the idea of these micro grids to make sure that those community centers have power And that in the intent of that is if we do have to shut off power Those customers whether medical or any other customers that are affected have a place to go That's the purpose of that and we'd love to and I know we're working With with your county and others to have those and other communities to make sure we have those things Where's the best location? How do we do it? How do we set up? Micro grid type whether it's a solar battery type combination or a generator or whatever is required to make sure those Those centers have power so and then on the medical customers. We have a pretty good database We also know the county has a pretty good database um, and we're trying to do that now the challenge for us is That the reason it's down to one hour is This is not we have a there are so many changing variables as you know with the weather Um, the that is really the word. We are intent as far as I'm concerned We're going to notify everybody as soon as we know Or suspect we're going to have a problem Which will be 48 hours plus the challenge for us though is that that can as the weather changes and conditions change That's going to vary and again. We're not going to try to Shut off power unless we absolutely absolutely have to and we're not going to make wait to that one hour and make a call We're going to try to make that call early on so again We can notify people and we're going to try to let people know that it's going to happen It there's a possibility of it happen and communicate that in addition to then It is going to happen. So we're trying to get several phases of communication. Yeah, and just just a couple things to add So chair friend, you mentioned the current practices and what we've done historically as far as kind of giving a heads up and a warning of Potential impacts to our system right to weather or conditions extreme conditions That won't change. We'll continue to be able to provide as much heads up and warning as possible through our normal excuse me our normal channels and then But this will just be an added component to the program Overall so as greg mentioned, we'll be doing our best to Give as much heads up as possible I think one of the things that that we all know the areas in the the map that were shaded as tier three On a somewhat annual basis. They do experience long duration or frequent outages And a lot of those outages happen without any kind of warning So we are hoping that with this program we are able to give a little bit more warning and a little bit more Time for people to prepare We realize that it's not going to happen overnight that it's it's not going to happen just with us Doing what we're doing. It's going to take a partnership and coordination with the county As well as some community groups and partners in some of these areas. So those are things that we're looking at as well And then I'm glad that greg touched on the micro grids and trying to help Set up some shelters or places where we can Have people to be able to go if they do need A gathering spot whether it's Up in the sanikers mountains area that ben lomond or the summit. That's something that we need to Work on with those with the community and with the county And one last thing my colleagues.  I mean I on your main page. It's buried on this page. It's not the lead component of it I don't know that you have plans to speak to every jurisdiction in this kind of format I don't know that you're going to be sitting down with the newspapers I don't know what kind of advertising going to be doing but I think that it's it's a big deal people People expect the water to come on when they turn on the tap They expect the lights to be on apps and some sort of Uncontrollable situation. This is something in in my opinion that pg. He's actually controlling now You're making a determination on behalf of the community that that's conditions exist That is a that is a change of Structure and I just think it's going to have to be Communicated and expressed to people especially people that are in vulnerable populations in a way that I don't know That you're there yet in doing Supervisor Coonerty and then supervisor Leopold Sure for following up on sacks question, which is The idea micro grids and community centers are For people that will those be done in advance of this policy because I mean potentially How long will it take to set up micro grids? Across the Santa Cruz mountains or to identify community centers or to pull the list There's a sequencing issue here And so is are you going to wait until those are in place before you enact this policy or are you going to Enact this policy and then work on these these sort of measures After that or concurrently It'll it'll likely be concurrently at this time because if as greg mentioned and There will be if there were conditions that presented themselves In the near term future that married at us feeling like we had to shut down power We would have to do it for public safety That said we We will we we are starting to work with Both the county and with the other partners in the community to look at ways to set up Even if at this point it's just a facility with backup generation And identify spots where people can go. I think there already are some In fact, I know there are some that we've worked with in past storm seasons And because as as we mentioned these areas do experience long duration outages currently frequent outages currently And we're hoping that we'll continue to rely on the The partners that we have at this point and that the community has at this point But the key thing and I just want to go back to it really quickly Is ensuring that We do have current content information. We do know how to reach these people Some of these accounts have been open 30 35 years And at that point may have been a phone number that's been long since been disconnected And so we we really want to make sure then with the help of the county to reach each and every resident customer out there Let them know We need to know how to reach you the best way to reach you whether it's by landline cell phone email Text you whatever If there were circumstances where we did have to practically show up the power and there was a Community center or station setup for people to go to we want to be able to get that information to them So we really want to work with you all work with the county staff to make sure that we're able to get that information Right. I mean, this is one of the One of the concerns I have is that many people don't have landlines anymore And so if you turn off the power, they no longer have communications And I mean that one of the The concerns and obviously we we don't want to have fires But we also need to understand that there's multifaceted So if if we turn off the power and we don't have pumps for the wells to have water to fight the Fight it and we don't have communications. So people can't call in grass fires It's it becomes potentially a much more dangerous and more Much more dangerous situation and more likely to have fires that get out of control And so trying to figure out how that works And so that it's not just The the power lines that may be causing Buyers but a lot of other factors and that in fact cutting the power exacerbates the danger We should be we should be really clear on On the potential on the larger impacts the macro impacts And so trying to understand and then I you know if we come back here next year By next year will we have these micro grid set up? And community centers all identified across all of sanikers mountains or is this just a multi-year thing? Is this a six month effort? Is this uh, I don't know what I don't know what it takes to create a micro grid Or to have a staffed community center Ready to go In one of these emergencies So I think it's going to be an ongoing process And I wouldn't say that at this point we're planning to have a dedicated pg&e Run facility. I mean that's not part of the plan the plan is to work with community groups and organizations that already have facilities set up And to help bolster those facilities So at this point we as I mentioned we've worked with other groups and the sanikers mountains Over the years we'll continue to do that But also we need to continue talking with them And working with them to help bolster and build up their capacity So that's something that we will where we're doing right now and we'll continue to do it going forward So I wouldn't put a timeline on it because I think it's something that will continue to grow and evolve Um, and that there won't be just uh, you know within a year. We'll have it all set or two years We'll have it all set Um, as greg talked about this is something very new for us Um, something new for this whole territory, uh, as far as proactively shutting off the power The only other place that's been done in the state is in san diego And um, so we're we're learning where we're finding we're figuring out exactly how this is going to work And um, that's part of the reason why we're here to talk with you all To get this kind of feedback and input because you all know your constituents. You know your districts And um, you know, we we feel like we know our customers, but we really need this kind of input to help us Do this right, you know, if I could add to that I think, um, Many of these community centers may not require Uh A micro grid they already have a reliable power It might be just a backup generator or something like that in case that power goes off So it's not a matter of a brand new facility All micro grid to make that happen that to me is a possibility But there's a lot of community centers that we know around In in our service territory that already are available and we can utilize It's just really a matter of making sure they have a good reliable Power source right that are out of tier two in our out of tier three areas that people can use or are using today Right. I mean, that's the other concern. I just Triggered the other concern which is in addition to Not having good communications without power and not having access to water without power Uh, and obviously the medical issues But then also if this causes thousands and thousands of generators to be now in our rural areas How much does that increase the fire danger versus transmission lines? And so I think You know, I I think the goal has to be To reduce the fire danger and then everyone Calibrates their policies You know to that end versus having one particular entity trying to reduce their contribution to the power To to fire danger And that's that's the concern I have with this policy And We do as well. This is not something that we you know, it's a it's a trade-off of risks, right? And we don't take this decision lightly It's really really truly a last resort type effort because you're right There is from a public safety perspective they're trade-offs and I think that's the challenge We're gonna have and that's why we're gonna need Your support and partnering with others to how do we build this going forward? How do we make this even at the state level because that's really the new normal around here And we're just gonna have to figure out collectively how to make it It's at least impactful to to, uh, california residents. I mean, I yeah, but I guess I'd say I um There is a new normal there is higher risk And and and you know 90 of the things you're talking about here are really good things that will improve public safety And so but in terms of the automatic show it doesn't feel as though We've all sat down and made those trade-offs. It feels as though You know, PG&E has decided to reduce its risk And at the and then everyone else now has to recalibrate What how what their potential risk are and in fact it could be increasing risk, uh for Areas and that's the that's the hard part doesn't feel like we all sat down Allocated risk Figured out the best strategy and came forward because we're being presented with a policy that may increase The risk for other people and in our rural areas Thank you supervisor leopold, uh, thank you chair, um Uh, I guess the first question I have is when do you expect that this New effort to turn off our power will take place how soon might Santa Cruz county residents expect that that might happen It all depends upon the conditions. So it could happen next week I mean, I'm I'm trying to get some sense if the conditions presented themselves in a way. Yes, it could Um, so I appreciate that you're here today and I'm thankful to our general services and our caos office for Uh for inviting you to come to speak but I am Uh, but somewhat alarmed that you could shut off the per the power next week And this is the first time we're hearing anything about it. I've talked to my rural residents When I knew this item was going to be on there and I said, what do you know about this? They didn't know anything about it Um, I haven't had a chance to call the the school district Which would probably be the community center in the summit area that might be able to serve as that Um, but I'm sure they don't know anything about it Uh, so I it's hard for me to believe that you've been working since march On something which you say is the new normal, but you haven't the the public outreach is is Is terrible You should be holding community meetings in the rural communities to answer people's question and help them prepare You have a responsibility as a public utility to reach out to your rate payers to engage them in in this City and so when we hear Things like we will attempt to to to reach people. We will do our best. You have my word. It doesn't really mean much To people who are going to lose their power don't know how long Don't know how much advance notice they'll get It's been talked about that the the life safety Issues, uh, the the increased fire dangers, but there's also an economic impact You know, we have businesses. I have businesses, you know, there's a the summit store up in the summit area It sort of acts like a community center. It's the it's the main commercial activity But you turn off the power for 24 hours the losses are are are great. I see a big greek lumper I don't know how how how much they lose when you turn it off For we don't know how long, you know the the world the the rest of the world also operates And your failure to To communicate effectively with the people you serve Is alarming you would have thought that after the the buckle that was the uh, the the The smart meter roll out that you would have learned something about About communicating with the public about sharing information about trying to engage them, but I don't see that I'm very concerned as well about your your, um tree cutting In your slide, which you didn't go over very uh at any great length That uh, at least what I took from it is we could have a clearing that is now one and a half feet That could be as much as 12 feet Right Um, and so where's that going to happen? What's that going to impact? Is it going to be on someone's property? You know though communicating that and getting a better sense for To people is important and as we saw with pg&es efforts to Cut down trees around the gas lines Transmission It's it's sometimes questionable the decisions that the utility makes in terms of the Being able to access The transmission devices so to hear about 12 feet wide Cutting a vegetation around lines that's extraordinary And I'm not sure what the what the environmental review process is that you know, I I I'm I'm concerned About that in our rural areas. How many trees you'd be cutting down? and whether you have to Go through a full environmental review. I'm sure that we will we will look at that And we will make challenges if you're not following the california environmental quality act I think that From what I can tell in your presentation is you Have tried this in one area San diego I don't know whether you've worked out the kinks there or not I guarantee I'm going to talk to my colleagues on this San diego board of supervisors And ask them about the impact that that has had But it seems to me you need to put a lot more work into something that is as drastic as As turning off the power at people's homes As placing them in danger Under the rubric of this is the new normal and we're trying to protect you that you know, that's that's Um That may not seem that way to to people who uh don't have powers for 48 hours Because you guessed wrong Right, so, uh, I Want to challenge you to not enact this this policy until you have done the public outreach necessary To inform rural residents to come up with a good plan about how to protect Those communities who will be suffering from your proactive turning off power and When that is together, then you might be ready But I but I but I don't think you're ready now. I don't think it's wise to do this I'm concerned about the effect that we'll have on our rural residents And I'm concerned about what it'll have on on just the mindless cutting of trees Because we're not I can't tell who's going to make a decision whether it's going to be four feet or 12 feet So I I think you really need to to think about Recalibrating this policy to get it to be normal before you say it's the new normal because it's not ready Thank you for the comments And just to clarify that san diego is a different company. It's san diego gas and electric All right, so so you have no experience in doing this I'm just saying that given the paucity of Of the outreach that you have that you have conducted so far And the fact that the power could go off as soon as next week You have a lot of work to do with your ratepayers the people who pay your bills To inform them about how to prepare for this Whether it's actually necessary What will be the impact on the vegetation around their homes and and what are the backups that can be put in place To when you're going to turn off the power for as long as 48 hours Or longer that That they have some assurances that they can that they can continue to function that their businesses can continue to function Thank you. Supervisor Leopold supervisor McPherson. Yeah, I just I'm going to say In a more pleasant note, I just want to thank you for the previous actions that you have taken to have these These base stations that you you put into place years ago when we had some storms and so forth For to mobilize so they could you your Your folks can be closer to the people to serve them as quickly as possible I mean it's having stationed in scott's valley and not in santa cruz For instance helps get them up to santa rosa valley. So I appreciate that let's start there and then I agree with I have to say it's nice to have you today here today and thank you for coming And listening to our concerns Because what i'm hearing in my district up in the santa rosa valley, which is that tier three most of it It looks like They're concerned with just what wow this turnoff of power, you know the health related issues is what I'm hearing most and you've heard it also again I I wanted to ask you said there's 13 000 miles of distribution current in tier tier three and we have It looks like a lot of it in santa rosa valley. Do you know how much how many miles of that is in our county? Uh, not exactly, but we can get that information for you. Okay, and what when you go into the program of You know cutting the trees and so forth and what's the pop? What's the uh What how do you develop the priority list? Is it I guess is it tier three first or Population density or what is it based on that you Have you gotten there yet to say this is what we're going to we're going to go to tier three first and then So the so the new cpc regulation requires us to do this four foot clearance On either side in the tier three Areas, okay, so that's where we're going to be that's where we're going to be focusing first Okay, and then, um, you know, we're talking weather conditions, but here in uh, santa cruz county territory We have earthquake concerns too that could probably develop Or Result in the same kind of a shutdown effort. I know we're looking at the wildfires and they're going on today Uh, and the northern part of the state again, unfortunately, but um, you know that You know it probably ought to be uh Could you have the same kind of a concern or or shut down if an earthquake hit? And poles started to fall or whatever the case may be. I mean probably for an area like ours the mention of uh earthquake a response to a severe earthquake like we had in 89 would be a good thing to just add on this is something that You know earth Earthquake territory, uh, some people would like to know that as well. I think Thank you. Thank you. Survisor McPherson. Survisor cap it Thank you. I want to thank you for your report and I I have noticed in the past PG&E is part of that emergency response Center at the new sheriff station and uh You're you're actually at the center of a public safety in a lot of cases Everybody has to wait For your response and how you guys do your job And I want to commend everybody That everything they've done in the past You're working under terrible conditions and you're also Have to look out for the safety of your workers the the ones that have to respond in the middle of the storm So I guess when it comes down to priorities You said you don't take it lightly of turning off the power or even proactive Proactively turning off the power When you're weighing the benefit and the burden What what is the biggest part of the The benefit is that The potential of these wires that are That they're breaking and they're sending off electricity or or what what is it? That gives so much weight to A proactive decision It it really boils down to What's happening at the time in the field? That's why we send out our troubleman and first responders to take a look at seeing the conditions And the primarily the primary risk is things blowing into our lines It could be a bark from trees. It could be tree branches It could be a tree that's way outside of the right of way that's ready to fall in It can be a tarp from someone's home That that is so it's really the The we put eyes on the ground to see really what's going on if we have a lot of stuff that's going into our lines and a lot of Activity in that regard then we would probably move forward with with proactively shutting the lines down because it's just a matter of time before something happens So it's not a we don't do it from a central location And use it that way. We really want to make sure we're we have the risks are there Before we would do something like that. So you don't do it from a central location. So it's more of a neighborhood type of proactive decision Correct. We put people we put some of it. We will have our troubleman We'll have other PG&E people go out into the field And look at the conditions of what's going on in that particular area before we would shut anything off And how many people does that affect when you're talking about a particular uh area? for example One line is sparking And it could be actually triggered by These kind of balloons that yeah mylar balloons. Yeah, they've they've created problems It's all one one time that got hooked up one of the neighborhood lines.  Uh, it really varies across uh across the state It's really hard to say it could be anywhere from, you know, 10 20 people up to several hundred people Depending again. How how long the line is and How far it travels? Yeah, and the other I do want to commend you When when there is an emergency and how important you are to the the public I've noticed the sheriffs have to wait for you Fire department really has to wait sometimes The National Guard that's part of that also In a big emergency like an earthquake or a big fire And public works. I mean everybody's working together Uh When when you're making a decision out there, are you talking and listening to the sheriffs and everybody On what their opinion is because if they have to wait for you, uh, there's got to be communications, right? Oh, yes. Yeah, we we not only communicate with the fire departments, but also sheriffs and everybody we have a we have a very good partnership with many of those agencies across the state Um, and we're all working together from a standpoint of preparing for Uh, and any kind of emergency response, whether it's wildfire, uh, earthquakes, um Storms bad storms that come in. We're all communicating and coordinating Uh, together Right, and uh, I guess the big one is always in the winter with the Storm flooding and the big storm we had, of course, about a year and five months ago. So I I want to I want to thank your PG&E crew for putting their life in danger actually to respond to a lot of this and That's basically it Thank you, Supervisor Caput. We'll now open it up for the community to address this on this item Any members of the community you're welcome addresses Morning, mr. Blage. Thank you for well before waiting Thank you, barbler lodge big creek lumber company. Uh, I want to preface what i'm about to say By Stating that our company and myself completely understand the dilemma that pg&e is in i live in the rural area Many times they've come out to restore power and greatly appreciate it Uh, I do concur with comments that were made here particularly by supervisor leopold that you know We found out about this a day and a half ago and it's a daytime. There aren't very many people here People are working. I I mean I have the luxury of being paid by my company to show up for these things Most people don't and so I would strongly underscore The necessity of going out into rural areas and probably meeting people In having meetings in the evening when working people can attend Other thing I want to say It sounds to me like you're going to be using Criteria weather criteria that you're monitoring as opposed to cal fire a company monitors a cal fire weather reports all the time for obvious reasons, but if It would be wise for pg&e To specify what the criteria you're going to use Is going to be And for the public to be able to have access to that information in real time So we know what to expect. I mean i'm also deeply concerned about this could happen tomorrow A supervisor leopold is correct. We have a hundred employees that live on the end of a power line And their livelihoods depend on That power because our sawmill primarily runs on electricity. So, you know, that that's an internal selfish concern But it's a very real concern with real people Involved in their livelihoods And lastly on that issue That map that you showed that showed tier three and in tier two I think that needs to be adjusted because what if a power line Goes through a tier three into a tier two That tier three area that's going to be shut down really needs to show those areas because realistically with respect to shut down Those aren't tier two areas their tier three areas and that includes along the coast of of The north coast of the county, which I think some if not all of the power has to go through tier three To get to tier two. So We need more accurate information and and again appreciate you folks being here But I agree completely with the comments that the supervisors have made I think The lack of information that this is premature. You need so considerably more outreach and more information to the public Thanks for being here. Is there anybody else like to address us? Please feel free to line up. That'd be great Morning. Thank you for waiting. Good morning Good morning. Thank you for the power My name is larry lop. I live in the I just found out a few days ago in a tier three extreme fire threat area I've lived there for 42 years We know it's an extreme threat area. Also, we have no trouble Communicating with pg and you when the lines go down the power goes off The problem is when will they come back so we can get back to our life? and the most Terrifying thing I just heard is Okay, we're going to shut them off and then take two days to figure out whether we can bring them back up That's just ridiculous You're going to have to figure out how to use technology now. Let me point out. There's there's a few myths here That this is the new normal Okay, here's jerry brown in the state of the union or the state of the state California's fire season has increased 78 days over the last 40 years. How much warning do you need? Global warming has been known For 30 years How much more warning do you need? The second thing is You've already been found Uh as the source of the ignition for the fires up north now that shouldn't be a surprise Okay, but I listened today and I heard nothing About how you're going to control Your power lines so they don't become igniters of forest fires Except take some of the switches off manual and not turn them back on until you're sure You're not just feeding us short I mean that's that's just not reasonable It isn't Now i'm not going to get involved in this whole question of Is that a minute okay in this whole question of who should do what But I do want to point out to you that you have a fiduciary responsibility To deal with your violation of ignition You need to deal with that first now as far as Four feet 12 feet. It's a big deal. I just had my power lines They came up and sent me this really nice note You have we have to clear those and what they did is they took the top third of the tree off They chipped the branches and they took all the trunks and dumped them and left Now that's your policy in the mountains right now You put a donut hole that disappears within two or three years around the power lines You do almost nothing along the runs you do nothing underneath Now I don't think that's your problem It's partly your problem, but that belongs to the state. It belongs to the county It belongs to cal fire Until though and the environmental review people until you get that straightened out. Thank you The only thing you can do. Thank you is fix your problem. Thank you ignition Morning mr. Collins. Thank you for waiting Good morning. Uh, I'm down here this morning to point out that there's The underlying issue here is that we have downed arcing conductors In other words these power lines break They fall to earth and they start arc flashing because there is no protection in pg and e circuit to prevent That current from continuing to flow these these The voltages in the earth Are only are substantially the voltages are the same but the amperages are low So the fuses do not function Now there's there have been 30 years of discussion among electrical engineers about this problem and how to deal with it It has been solved san diego gas and electric has begun installing arc fault interruption protection on its circuits what that means is that They have equipment that can sense when a conductor parts and shut that circuit off before that conductor even touches earth There is another way of doing this and this is put to extend a grounding bar out beyond the The power pole so when the conductor breaks It makes contact with that grounded conductor and burns out these primitive fuses that pg and e uses on its poles The problem is an infrastructure problem The fires in uh Sonoma and Napa county Year and a half ago. They were according to cdf caused by arcing conductors on the ground And recloser and recloser devices that kept reclosing and sending bursts of electricity into down conductors So i just really really want to emphasize that this is a problem that has had a solution for some time now It's a technical solution and it would do away with the rest of this issue The reason that power has to be turned off is because pg and e's equipment is not capable of sensing Arc faults in its lines. We had all this blah blah blah about You know it's smart meters and all the advancement Apparently there's been no advancement in safety that i've seen as a result of the installation of all those meters and the relays and so forth So if anybody thinks that davy tree is going to come on to my beautiful Private road lined with centuries old trees and cut a 12 foot wide swath under their crummy little quarter inch splice filled copper conductors that some of which are 40 50 years old They're dreaming and the rest of the people that find out about this are going to be raising hell too So thank you for your attention and please understand i'm researching this issue I'm going to submit a document to the county and to the puc About it. Thank you very much. There is a solution and it is not Shutting power off to everybody and just demolishing The landscape. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Collins Anybody else like to address this good morning miss steinbrunner. Thank you for waiting on the side of Good morning. Thank you. Becky steinbrunner resident of rural aptos Also a member of cert aries and the san cruse fire safe council I have a lot of concerns about this too and mr. Foster I know you are on the board of directors for aptos a self of fire district So I would think that you'd be paying better attention to this public outreach part but um I want to commend you for the idea of putting tree wire up that happened in my neighborhood and it did Reduce the number of outages, but why is pg? Not looking into the issues that mr. Collins just presented And or putting the wires underground This is the new normal you say so why not invest these billions of dollars that you're talking about with this That will put the community at risk And and put that money into putting the power wires underground Not having to remove the trees the roadways are already there with your easement Put the power wires underground How will this affect Rates of rural residents Knowing that their power may go off and they may have no water to fight fires in the rural areas And they will have no communication devices in many areas to call 911 if there are spot fires What is the sequel process that you're following? I'm not hearing anything about that and thank you chairman Supervisor Leopold for bringing that up Are you working with at&t to um work out the glitch that many people in the rural area have when power Goes off. They have no phone service in my area At&t comes out within 24 hours of big storms and they put in generators at the poles How does that work for you? Um, what about the elderly who in the nap of uh in the synomifiers burned in their garages because they couldn't Physically lift their garage doors when the power went out What about the heritage trees? What about the erosion that all of this tree cutting clear cutting would bring What about all in the summertime when red flag conditions come? What about all our summer visitors that are not registered with you but are in the air bnb and vacation rentals? How would they be notified? What about these micro grid centers? Are you working with red cross? Are you working with the emergency response people? Are you working with rosemary anderson? Are you working with the communications efforts in the county for for a emergency response? And what about an evacuation plan? How would that happen? There are so many questions here, and I want to thank supervisor leopold for bringing them Bluntly to your attention because I live in the rural area and I didn't know about this until I looked through the Board of supervisors agenda and saw that you were going to be here Thank you very much. Thank you. Would anybody else like to address this on this item? This would be your final opportunity. So anybody else morning. Welcome. Thanks. Good morning. Hi. I'm loretta marino I'm a little late to the party. So I just wanted to Make a comment in general about what I've heard about pigini and this power line clearance throughout the state I heard it's tier three about 7000 miles of power line Maybe it's more. I think I heard maybe more And I just would like to comment that I really do hope you seriously Look at while you may be exempt from seek what perhaps that's perhaps why we haven't heard about it that you seriously look at The nuances of wildlife habitat across the state and the fact that A broad brush stroke does not necessarily or should not necessarily apply I understand you have liability issues But I am very concerned with a broad brush stroke to address clearance issues statewide And you have endangered species very sensitive habitat so In terms of public outreach talking about how you're going to mitigate as you go It's not just that 12 feet each side. It's also the heavy equipment getting into these areas sometimes remote not right on a roadway So if you guys could talk more about that proactively, I think the public would like to know So thank you. Thank you. Anybody else We should have government of for and by the people Not of for and by corporations like pg and e that have they're like dictating to us and quite the history of pg and e going back to the San Francisco earthquake fires in 1904 those were pg and e gas lines pg and e Is not in the business of safety They are not in the business of safety. They are in the business of profit for their stockholders The history of some of the pg and e damage I'm just going to read Unless here a brief list San Bruno fire 2010 smart meters I'll give you this Injuries and fatalities have resulted from your smart meter fires They've been recalled in some areas. Some of them exploded in 2010 here in capitol People died These are dangerous meters. They catch fire They're installed on utility poles with this distributed antenna system So It seems like your comments supervisor coonerty about the situation being made worse by pg and e's plans to cut off power I think that's well substantiated what pg and e has done Endangered to the public Also in 2007 there was a huge fire in malibu. I'll give you copies of this When power lines This was southern california Edison, but it Applies here The fires sparked a probe into why southern california Edison putting from the newspaper there Is allowing various wireless communication companies to add a heavy wind catching cables and antennas to wooden electric Poles without calculating possible collapse risk All around here are overloaded power lines with wireless facilities Potential fire for that and the mayor of malibu said Then you are telling us these are time bombs waiting to go off Are these fires Thank you, miss garret not a good plan Thank you. We say no. Is there anybody else that would like to address us on this item Is there anybody else beyond the speaker? This will be the final speaker on this item Yeah, I was able to hear the presentation. I wanted to tell you guys. Thank you Uh, I would say that the it seems very dubious in terms of taking a proactive strategy and trying to ameliorate the You know the popping I've been out there in scott's valley And since I've been there they've had about I don't know about five blackouts down down off mount herman The road I and I and I have seen visually those things pop and just sparkle with all kinds of it And it sounds like a big bomb And I would say is that you know, you need to get more public input. There needs to be more outreach So you can hear the concerns of the citizens and You know with record profits. I think the american public deserves that. Thank you All right. Thank you. We'll bring it back to the board Supervisor leopold. Thank you chair I would like Well, I would like pg. Need to to seriously engage in real public outreach I know in my district, I would assume that in all of our rural residents they deserve To hear directly from you and you You you should hear directly from your ratepayers About this I can't make you do that by By motion here But I think you should take this away from here that you should really step up your public outreach efforts In order to make that happen I would like to move of that. We write to both pg&e and the puc about our concerns that were that we identified here about our concerns This is an inclusive list, but our concerns about Outreach our concerns about effects on other safety Elements our concerns about the economic impact our concerns about the life-threatening Or people who rely on on life-saving devices I would also direct Our county council to review the this policy to find out whether they're adhering to both our code and and sequa And come back with recommendations and any other departments that That might take a look at this and make recommendations Motion from Supervisor leopold second from Supervisor Coonerty all those Just a quick brief because this item's gone on quite some time quickly Like I said earlier, you are the center of Response during an emergency And I think what we have here is Like that old movie. We have a problem in communications your public relations department really is lacking And not only talking to the rate payer. My question is When you make your decisions, did you talk to all the other people? That are responsible to When it comes to response in an emergency and that would be like the sheriff's department police departments with the cities fire Cal fire fire departments Public works We can go on and on Before you made this decision. Did that take place? And of course it didn't take place with the rate payers But I'm wondering there's maybe a big problem with communications between pg&e And all the other people involved in public safety Okay I don't know that you can respond to just make it very brief mr. Foster if that's okay If you had a brief comment back I'm just going to say as we've said we have been coordinating with with different agencies across the state and locally and trying to ensure that they know That they know what um what we're planning on what we're talking about doing what we're developing We'll continue to do that Thank you We have a motion and a second all those in favor All right Opposed passes unanimously. Thanks for coming to meet with us I've been assured by public works that this is a very fast item So we will have you present this item and the board will take a five minute break to get to our 1045 scheduled public hearing before we move back to item 86 86 186 2 This is item 85 which is to consider measure d five-year plan for the 1819 fiscal year and take related actions Is outlined in the memo of the deputy ceo director of public works We have the attached measure d five-year plan mr. Wiesner. Are you presenting this? I am thank you for waiting Thank you chair. Good morning members of the board ceo members of the public Steve Wiesner here with the department of public works. I have a very brief presentation for the annual measure d five-year plan update It's a i'm just going to go over a little bit about measure d I'm going to talk a little bit about the first year project A little bit about our pavement management system and then the recommendations that are before you today As you're aware our county passed a half cent sales tax measure Um county-wide sales tax measure in november 2016 It's 30 year funding source for transportation projects county-wide It's annual revenues estimated around 17 million and of that the county road system Gets an estimated 2.6 million dollars a year There's some annual requirements in the ordinance which include producing a five-year plan that's approved in a public hearing by your board Which is why we're here today We did a survey of our community than in the uncorporated areas of our county last year before our first plan was created and the top three priorities for our community was a maintenance and repair of county roadways neighborhood resurfacing projects and neighborhood safety project So what i'm going to do is just go over the project that's going to be out to construction this summer It's actively being worked on now. I think the next month you're going to see a lot of activity county-wide Um in district one, uh, we're doing some work on miller hill and miller cutoff roads is in the rural area middle part of our county Um, we need to rebuild some areas of the road and then we're going to go ahead and and seal it up District two in the la selva beach area mid area of our county Um, we're doing a lot of work in the neighborhood down there Doing some base repairs and uh, we'll seal up those roads as well In district three, this is in the bonnie dune area of our county. Um, we're going to be doing work on martin road A portion of martin road Again isolated base repairs and then we'll go ahead and seal that up as well Now in district four, uh, this is a project that was completed this past fiscal year And this was the much needed replacement of the caster lee road bridge there near smith road And that project is complete and that was uh the share the district four share of measure d funds went to that project And lastly in district five, um, we're going to be working in downtown boulder creek and resurfacing some roads In that area where that are in much need of of some resurfacing work A very similar type of work will be doing some digouts some isolated base repairs a little bit of reconstruction Then we'll seal up the whole neighborhood Okay, just to just touch a little bit on our pavement management system There'll be more to come this year on that. Um, but this is how we choose the roads It helps inform us on which roads that are needed to be repaired Um, the county does maintain a database driven pavement management system It's a software package the database includes a score of pavement health Which is known as our pavement condition index You've heard us talk about this the pc i and this is we end up with a pavement condition index of of our whole county road system But also of individual road segments throughout the county That's a tool that we use to maximize our limited resources That come in and it helps us vet through and decide, you know, which which roads are up and ready to be worked on Depending upon the type of resources we have available And we're actually currently in the process of updating our pavement management system We have a consulting firm working on this. We're doing a countywide survey That'll give us a new baseline. We do this about once every five years And we plan to return to your board with the sort of a state of the pavement update That'll include the pavement management system update And it'll also talk a little bit more about our available resources and how how we recommend to use those and moving forward um so therefore the fifth year plan of this plan um is is is is Being recommended to be put into reserves until we Come back to your board with the pavement management update once that's complete We'll have a better idea of exactly which roads to recommend Okay, just to remind you this this thing we talk about which is our pavement condition index And this is really a scale from zero to a hundred and as you can see in the lower right there That's a a road that's basically completely failed That gets a zero and then a brand new road would be a hundred and and everything in between Okay, so the recommended actions that are before you today are to adopt the attached Measured five-year plan for the 1819 fiscal year Authorize our department to submit a copy of this approved package to the santa cruz county regional transportation commission So that's my very brief update and with that i'd be happy to answer any questions That's perfect. Thank you mr. Wiesner and thank you for the great work your department It goes to show that when we do have funding the amazing things that your department can do Are there any supervisors with comments on the side and supervisor cap it you bet? Yeah I know you're working under tough situations and all and everything um Now what I saw for district four This is just a one-year Projection here. Is that correct? So what it is is actually it's the same exact plan that we gave you last year and so it's four years In the fifth year we plan to put in reserves what you saw in district four is what we really want to do is that The local end of green valley road And it's going to take a couple years of building a bank to do that and that's our recommendation for district four Okay, what about hazel dale road? So uh hazel dale roads not in the program right now That has a lot of storm damage that we're working on Trying to get repaired as well right now. Okay that that funding will come from where for the hazel dale road for the storm damage repair Yeah, that's actually the federal highway administration which is helping us fund that road It's a federal aid route and what we're recommending for measure d is to just is to work on local roads and rural roads Which we really have been short on on funding in the last many years right, so uh hazel dale comes under federal and uh state Correct and it would it would um qualify for federal aid money and that's also includes uh hula hand road intersection of 152 and college Correct. Those are also federal aid routes. Okay. I guess the only concern I have I don't want to see the castor lee bridge used as a reason Why maybe for the next two three years We're not getting uh, you know enough money for south county No, absolutely not. We just used the first year of measure d for your district on the castor lee road bridge And we will continue to work on and recommend pavement management projects in your district And then uh, well, I share that with uh district two Hazeldale road and all that also we share uh apple What is that apple valley? wash up if you look there on uh apple valley road at welock That would be district two and district four. I notice on both of them Money is allocated to both of them, but uh, is that Same allocation 50 50 for each one uh each side of each district So, uh, what you're looking at is green valley road the limits are between welock and apple valley So the work is actually taking place on green valley road Um, I think that you're looking at the limits and actually a washed out bridge We can take a look at that for you. I don't have information on that right now Is that you're interested in apple valley road? Okay. Okay. We yeah, like I said, it's uh the District line goes right through the middle of it Are any of the supervisors before we open this up for public comment? Just three things thank the voters for passing measure d more than three two-thirds of them appreciate the work of public works And getting to and prioritizing the most most significant road problems And for the others everybody's got there's problem road problems throughout this county But please have patience. We're going to get to it as quickly as we can Anybody from the community like to address us on the measure d list? Please feel free to step forward Thank you. Good morning. Becky Steinbruner is in a rural aptos Um, I would like and I'm sorry. I stepped back to close the doors to eliminate the noise So I I missed part of your presentation, but I would like um Discussion about the criteria that public works is using to assign the prioritization for these projects within different districts. Are you using? Um property values. Are you using economic impacts of deteriorating roadways? Taking into account. There are more and more commercial Licenses being given for rural areas for wineries and such that more public is going out in this for economic reasons Are you considering? Are you doing traffic counts on any of these areas and considering the populations? And those with limited ingress egress so that is their only emergency Access route and are you talking with the emergency responders? They know the condition of the road and which ones most impact them as well. Thank you Thank you. Anybody else like to address us? Okay, we'll bring it back to the board. This is an action madam I'll move the recommended action with You know perhaps mr. Steinbrenner can talk to public work staff about the process A motion from coonerty in a second from McPherson all those in favor. I I Opposed it passes unanimously, so we will break just for 10 minutes until 11 o'clock We have a 1045 scheduled item that we're running late on so if we could definitely come back at 11 o'clock the Board will recess till then Good morning, everybody. I'd like to welcome everybody back to the board of supervisors meeting After our short recess, we're now going to take our 1045 scheduled item Which is a public which is item 87 a public hearing to consider designating the silver ranch barn and aptos, which is apn 107 36109 as a resource of local historic significance and adding the barn to the santa cruz county inventory Of historic resources is outlined in the memo the planning director miss murphy welcome. Thank you for waiting Good morning supervisors Recognizing the value that historic buildings add to our cultural life Maintaining the connection with our past and adding to the architectural character and uniqueness of the community santa cruz county maintains an inventory of historic resources Which have been designated by the board of supervisors and provides regulations to protect these resources Owners carol and phil reader have applied to add the 115 year old silver ranch barn To the county inventory in order to ensure its preservation for future generations On april 18th the historic resources commission held a public hearing And recommended that your board approve the designation The property owners and members of the public also spoke in support of the application To be designated As a historic resource in the county a property is required to have retained its architectural integrity and historic value And to meet one or more designation criteria As outlined in the department of parks and recreation form or dpr form Provided by architectural historian felon stefan The barn is in excellent condition with an ongoing maintenance and repairs since its construction date The barn retains its original form and materials Including the original redwood siding Door openings the gable roof form And the barn hardware Minor alterations have been made over time to the barn to support its ongoing agricultural use The barn also retains its historic integrity as it is still in its original setting and location on the silver ranch And has been in continuous agricultural use since its construction The barn retains its association with the apple industry as apples are grown on site and sold to local cider producers in addition The barn is historically significant due to its association with the local theme of agriculture Specifically the apple industry Which was important to the development of the county and to the pleasant valley region The barn is still owned by the silva family the original owners These photos show several generations of the silva family on the ranch Taking action to designate the barn is categorically exempt under sequa as an action by the county To protect the environment To conclude the application to designate the silva ranch barn as a resource of local historic significance Or an nr5 resource meets the required designation criteria and findings and it's consistent with general plan policies protecting historic resources Taking action to designate this barn will help to preserve a rare local example Of 115 year old barn still in its agricultural use and its original setting and location Therefore it is recommended that your board open the public hearing adopt the sequa notice of exemption And adopt the resolution to amend the county historic resources inventory to include the silva ranch barn With the attached dpr form as an nr5 resource. Thank you Thank you. It's wonderful to have a positive story at a time of not always other positive things Great appreciation to county staff and even greater appreciation to the family The property owners for your willingness to do exactly this and and actually for all that you've done for agriculture in our community It's quite remarkable. Is there anybody from the board that would like to address this item before we open it up the public hearing Okay, we'll open up now the public hearing. This is an opportunity for members of the community to address us on this item Good morning. Becky Steinberg in a resident of aptos and I am so heartened that A property owner has taken the time and the expense to preserve something a treasure like this that really highlights And preserves the working class history of our county that was the foundation and and hopefully will remain a part of a foundation of our county's History and working everyday life I would like to ask the board to consider Giving this property owner some sort of property tax relief under perhaps a mills act or some sort of thing to encourage To reward them for for caring and taking the time and expense to do this And to encourage other property owners to do the same All too often and I have spoken to you before all too often It's a simple knockdown destruction demolition that people choose to do out of economic convenience But these people have done clearly the right thing that will preserve this for future generations And we as a community need to do what we can To encourage similar good Clear-hearted action. Thank you Thank you. Anybody else like to address this in the public hearing Good morning. Thank you for waiting Good morning. I'm corral reader and my husband and I are the owners of the barn um, I'm a silva Four generations back this barn was my great great grandfather's barn and we're so pleased that um We have the opportunity to Bring it before you today for your consideration and I just I want to thank the county staff for all their help and support and the Resources commission historical resources commission for their support as well um, we own the barn But in a different way, we look at it as a community resource and that's Probably what prompted us to move forward with this um So many as Becky was saying so many of these buildings are just bulldozed They're gone and they they each tell a story of a family of an industry of a community and um We kind of see this as our legacy But something that we want to share as long as we're here Um, and then the long-range plan because we don't have children of our own Our long-range plan is to um leave that ranch maybe to Cal Poly University And have it endure and hopefully they'll keep the barn But have it endure as a learning center for young people going into agriculture And so that was another kind of impetus for us stepping forward and saying let's put some protection on the barn because Not everybody may appreciate that history like we do So thank you for your time today and thank you staff Thank you very much and being a Cal Poly grad. Let me know if I can help Thank you very much Cal Poly Hall of Fame Supervisor McPherson. I also want to thank the silva family. It's so important saving these historic Monuments in a way That are just disappearing so fast Just a wonderful thing to do and I wondered I live in Aptos, but I'm not sure the address of where this is and the cross street Could you say that and then I'll sit down and just again. Thank you very much Thank you anybody else in the public hearing Okay, we'll now close the public hearing. We will bring it back to the board for action Move approval with our thanks to the family for preserving this really Wonderful historic spot in our county A motion from Supervisor Coonerty and a second from Supervisor McPherson Supervisor Leopold I'll just add my note of thanks to the family For being part of Santa Cruz County for such a long time and for seeing this valuable A historic resource preserved for future generations. We appreciate that All those in favor I Opposed it passes unanimously. Thank you all for your work on that We'll move back to item 86 Which is to consider a report regarding the conducting of board of supervisors meetings to approve revisions to the policy and procedures manual and authorized staff on the CAO's off the CA County administrator's office to make additional recommended changes to the policies and procedures at the conclusion of any Additional board directions is outlined in the memo of the CAO. We have the Rosenberg's rule of order We're the board of supervisors meeting policy and procedures and a clean copy and strike out underlying copy Mr. Raynard, thank you for waiting. Good morning chair friend and members of the board In january a subcommittee was formed to examine the procedures regarding board of supervisors meetings and come up with recommendations to increase public participation and the efficacy of board meetings The subcommittee included supervisors McPherson and Coonerty Working with members of the staff from the county council clerk of the board and CAO offices Research was done for information on best practices in other jurisdictions both cities and counties The recommendations before you today include the following Moving from the sturges standard code of parliamentary procedure to Rosenberg's rules of order to simplify Parliamentary procedures and have them be more understandable to the public Having board members pull consent items which would result in the public needing to ask a board member to pull an item The hope is that a conversation could occur prior to a board meeting to answer questions Resulting in less need to pull consent items The public could still comment on consent items during the public comment period Which brings us to ideas for increasing public participation In our discussion with other jurisdictions having a specified time when the public could come to comment Whether it be on items on the consent or regular agenda or items not on the agenda tended to increase public participation In addition attending to the regular board business before consent items were considered Also was a way to increase public participation as the public did not have to wait through other agenda considerations to participate in public hearings Or other matters before the board as regular business Your report includes a proposed reordering of the schedule to conduct regular business first With a time certain item of 10 o'clock a.m. Or thereafter for all public comment In addition the staff is recommending several updates to the policies and procedures for board meetings Which are also included in your report. These changes primarily recognize the new uses of technology in our procedures If you're a board approves the previously mentioned recommendations They would then be added as additional changes to the updated procedures in the report We therefore ask you to accept and file this report Approve the policies and procedures changes Authorize the staff to make any additional changes to the policy and procedures based on actions taken today Implement the suggested changes at the august 17th august 7th board meeting and report back at next year's budget hearings on these changes Thank you. There are comments from board members before we open the the community supervisor leopold Thank you chair I appreciate the work of This subcommittee and most of these suggestions i'm supportive of In talking with previous or former supervisors that was the practice in the past that That members of the public had to ask board members For their support in order to pull something off and that encouraged communication So I support that the change to roberts rules Rosenberg's rules. I think is also a Good idea and the idea of putting oral communications and consent item communication together I also think that that makes sense I the one area where I feel Less of a need to make the change is to change the time in which we Receive comments from the public I I get that there's some thought that this increases participation. I think The one thing that that is always time certain is the beginning of the meeting and everything after that is a little loose So if we want to make it easy for people to to participate Having a real time certain makes sense to me and putting it later in the day When we say 10 o'clock or thereafter It'll it'll roll of quite a bit and so I would support all the other things but I don't increase this change in the in the calendar Supervisor Coonerty, did you have comments? Sure? I just first of all, thank you for your work I'm looking at ways to make our meetings more accessible And to get more participation It was sort of hinted at but one of the things that I think would really benefit is when we were when I was on the city council People could email in instead of having to come to the meeting and those emails were distributed To the to the board as during the meeting That that email address was advertised on community television And I think that would be a really valuable way for people to be able to participate And I look forward to that coming to us in the future. I guess the It's all it's all a matter of trade-offs my To the question about the consent agenda and public and oral communications being the first thing up In general, the regular agenda item should be the thing that the public More wants to participate in and it's actually on the agenda whereas public participation is Or oral communications is They're about specifically about things that are not on the agenda that aren't the business of the board that particular day So it was an attempt to Get get that particular item to give people certainty so they could come in and participate So that's that that was the thinking behind it, but um, that was the that's the goal Supervisor Caput you've been Yeah, we're we're changing from Sturges to Rosencrantz right that's that's a proposal Rosenberg's Rosenberg. I'm sorry. Yeah, and uh What I'm getting at here is we've been doing things for about 30 years am I correct with the Sturges rules of order We think that's correct. I'm not sure about the exact date Yeah And what I'm getting at is here. How much public comment have we got on on this and how much Have we really talked and reached out as far as Making this change. I I'm not necessarily against it. What I'm getting at is this is a significant change I I did propose Rosenberg's rules of order for the RTC Before they had no rules of order at all And then we were arguing back and forth on whether it would be Roberts. It would be Sturges or it would be Rosenberg we ended up going with Rosenberg. I have no problem with that But do we are we really making it? What I noticed in there It it needs one of the board members to okay someone from the public to pull an item For discussion am I correct So these are you're conflating two things the the change in in the rules of order is just a simplification Sturges is a very complex and long book actually As is Roberts This is about a five or seven page as you probably saw Very simplified rules of order of dictates how it is That the meetings shall be conducted outlines how the chair will run meetings and makes it very easy for the community to understand How the chair will do it the other element is a policy and procedures of process That governs things such as consent items. That's totally separate from the rules of order And yes as proposed there's a number of changes to the policies and procedures such as How consent items will be pulled Increasing as supervisor Coonerty mentioned the ability for people to communicate Live a real time with the board during an item that aren't present for people that are watching it at home For example in live stream And that's what's outlined in a separate policy and procedure Component yeah, what i'm getting at is we're kind of deciding what's best for the public without really not getting much public input on this So I think that's the only It seems like we put this on And it's going to be decided. I'd like to see it decided in august. I would make a motion that are an amendment To the recommendation that I would go along with it It may be if we put it off until august to let the public have a more of an input on this And I think there are benefits to this and there are also Determines to it, but As a board, I think we should we should have a little more public discussion on this before we make the Change it's a change of something we've been doing for 30 years approximately So I appreciate the comment But actually disagree with some of the premise of it as supervisor leopold noted when when I spoke to my predecessor And he spoke to our now assembly member The board of supervisors not very long ago used to have this as a practice Where items Which is by the way the same as the city of watsonville where you came from the city of san jacuzzi or a supervisor community came from that Requires that a community member communicate directly with the supervisor or council member to pull an item in advance So that that has not been a 30-year practice Actually, we're engaged in a new practice and how we've been doing things And so this is in some respects is a movement back to the way that the board used to do it on that But I understand your your other component of Of interest of pushing the item till august This is an agendized item we can vote on it today and we need to open it up for the community So what I'll do now is is open this item up for the community It's to give you an opportunity to address us on item 86 if you have any Ideas on it, please feel free to step forward and if not, we'll move it back to the board for action Anybody like to address us? Thank you back a steinbrunner member of the public Thank you supervisor cabin And I think it's ironic that pg&e just got castigated for implementing new things without public Input and here we go. You're doing the same so I looked into And I understand there are a couple of things Rosenberg's rules of order I read the the Rosenberg's rules of order And the special notes about public input and that it will be Incumbent upon the chair of the body to Rule one tell the public what the body will be doing rule two Tell the public Make sure that the public is informed while the body is doing it and rule three When the body has acted tell the public what the body did For every agenda item you must do that. So I like that it's clear to the public what's going on So I support adopting the Rosenberg rule of order The problem I have with changing around the agenda Is that sometimes I have to work on Tuesdays I can go in late and get in trouble In the morning before things get busy where I work Much easier than I can at 1 30 in the middle of the day and fight the afternoon traffic So I do not support 10 o'clock or thereafter because that's just as vague as nine o'clock or thereafter Which is what you have now But I have a better shot at getting some time here in the morning off my job Then I do in the middle of the day or thereafter The other problem I saw is that there are also going to be changes in how the emails will be accepted Any email communication on agenda items received after 5 p.m. On Monday Will not be included. They will be included in the public record But will not be part of the agenda documentation available for the public who is able To take off time to be here on Tuesday mornings That's not fair because you're saying We want you to go talk with the department staff and get your questions answered Well, the agenda is not even available online For those of those of the public who use internet until Friday afternoon So you don't you only have Monday basically To try and get a hold of someone at the county to get your questions answered and they're busy too So this is not an improvement for public input And I ask that you make the agenda available sooner If members of the public are going to have to get their own answers And I do not like having to ask permission to pull a consent agenda item That's not fair to the public. Are you going to ask the public's permission to pull a consent agenda item? It's not fair. Thank you And and miss Steinbrenner we already actually Do the exact things that Rosenberg requires I read an agenda item We tell you who it was that made the motion and we told you that the action that the body made This is not a change and so to imply that it's a change of what the chair currently does is just false miss Garrett welcome I think this is opposite of what it says. It does not encourage more Public participation or enable it It does the opposite with the points that were just brought up by Becky Steinbrenner also the idea of Groveling begging for one of you supervisors To pull an item off the consent agenda Is backwards It should be the same we the people look at this and say This is an important item to discuss. I want to Discuss and pull it off the consent agenda Not only for myself, but for other members of the public who would likely be interested regarding And it's funny when you come up here supervisor leopold and I'm saying something you move over to Supervisor friend. That's the second time you've done that. I don't appreciate that The other thing is the oral communication time I think it should be kept at nine o'clock so people could come and leave and go to their other jobs 1 30 in the afternoon precludes Certainly working people or most people they can address their work scheduled to come the best Way to have public participation Of course as you have been requested many times is to have meetings in the evening When working people can come or wait towards the end of the day This is impossible for most people to be here So often you have public hearings and the public isn't here Or it's nearly impossible for them to be here Were I still teaching elementary school? There's no way I could come get a substitute for 20 to 30 children impossible so I don't see this as An improvement and I agree with Supervisor cap it. Thank you for that very astute observation That we're deciding what's best for the public without getting the public input Just like PG&E here That shouldn't be and I do think it's essential. This is a huge change From procedures that have been in existence for decades And I think I agree with supervisor cap it that this needs to come back Possibly in august and when there can be more discussion of this It's very disturbing to me how A group of men like yourself Make decisions affecting the public Without public input. Thank you, miss miss garrett Is there anybody else that'd like to address us on this item? Yeah, yeah Uh victoria selax under civil society activists I just want to remind the american public enjoys celebrating success achievement entertainment in fairness This is very anti-democratic And shameful You know as a civil society activist You know I the this is a violation of the brown act We we're not here to grovel over the system and we're not here for political servitude We're active subjects. This is a community of equals Once again, we want to continue to promote ruling class ideology Members of the public should be able to come on and weigh in on the political issue And bring the public-spirited perspective Be able to speak liberating truth to political power This is a violation of the brown act We shouldn't have to ask hold on We shouldn't have to be asking for permission to pull something off the consent calendar I don't even talk to any of your staff. Your staff don't even make themselves available to me I don't even know who they are So you and then the email The emissary to population They don't got time to to write you an email And hopefully that you guys can read it They want to be able to come in here and do this They want to be able to do this This is what we need more of more people to come in and weigh in The oral communication sounds heterosexual Well, I want to going back to public comment public comment should be at the very first The adjacent county santa claire county that I that I came out of They have the public comment because they don't want to inconvenience the public We're not here for your for your convenience. You're here for ours to hear us We want to weigh in on the political issues and we need your cooperation chairman friend. You're a good man We need the light out and package certify and put back there so that we can come in here And scrutinize it and weigh in and make those qualifying statements We want to participate This is not for the rich the powerful and influential. This is for all of us a community of equals. Thank you Anybody else like to address this? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. I apologize. I thought that was my time I thought that was my time. Is it you finished? Do you have finished? Oh, that was finished. Yeah. Okay. Well, you have finished I don't know. I actually wasn't paying attention to the timer, but you were done as the time was Anybody else like to actually address us on this item? Okay, bring it back to the board Supervisor leopold, thank you chair I think there was one other part of rosenberg's You and I talked about around the what the chair can do in terms of making a motion Do you want to I was trying to find the exact that where that was there's language in here that I think should be Struck if we adopt rosenberg's which allows the chair to move forward with an item without a second and I just believe that There should be a second to a motion before the body votes on something and that seems like an odd Line in there it does allow the chair to make a motion or a second Under certain circumstances, and I think that that's appropriate because right now in the small body It's odd to disenfranchise a chair for being able to do that But I don't think that we should vote on something without a second So there's a line in there that that says that and I think that should be Something we don't adopt Yeah, so I would be ready to to make a motion to include that edit in the rosenberg's rules to adopt the first two parts of this which is the The well adopt rosenberg with the change adopt the consent items requirement that That a board member Requests that item to be pulled And that we moved Oral communications and consent item Communications to the same time And I'd like to have us come back in six months And look at this question about the calendar to see whether these changes have made the the the changes that we Have had the impact that we'd like or whether we need to consider that once again So I'll second that A motion from leopoldo second from Coonerty and then couple other things the The idea that people should communicate with board members ahead of time is is a way of increasing Communication with board members Hey Please you've had our opportunity and please When I worked in community-based organizations and there was an item that I was concerned with the board I made sure to reach out sometimes What I thought was going on with an item wasn't happening other times I got good information and it also gave me some idea that there would be at least one supervisor who supported Something that I wanted to have changed in there. So I think that's a That's a good practice. It's in use by many other places. It was used in this body for many years And I think that uh, you know, we often get asked about nighttime meetings Last week we held two evening meetings About our seven hundred and seventy seven million dollar budget We had a handful of people come in watserville and we had exactly no people come here to santa cruz so We will still there may be times where night meeting is appropriate, but it isn't Just because night meeting doesn't make it any more likely that anybody else is going to show up So you want to look at what what the issues are. So Um, anyway, I would support I would encourage the support of this motion supervisor cappett. Okay I'm not sure whether The problem here is we're we're deciding on something right now When we could put it back to august I might agree with some of the The changes here, but we're what we're proposing changes to something we're about to adopt Uh, and the other is You're it is correct Rosenberg's rules are much shorter and much clearer The problem is We need to look at what we're changing from which is uh, Sturgis and Sturgis is complicated But we need a little time to understand what we're actually Changing from that complication Whether or not it's better in the interest of the public or not Um, there's differences in the rule on the city council of watserville is under roberts rules order So that the that involves abstentions Sturgis Rosenberg and Roberts are all different on when one one of us abstains I know in the roberts rules you actually have to get up out of your seat And otherwise if you sit there in the seat that we're occupying and say I abstain It doesn't count as an abstention. It counts as a yes vote Under rosin crowns. It does not I don't know about uh, Sturgis though What I'm getting at is what's the rush? Let's just put it off until august and We'll have some more public input And we'll see whether or not we are actually are Making a decision and the best interests of the public But in order to do that we need to hear from the public beforehand All right, we have a motion and a second Uh, is anybody uh, do I do I have to make a motion to put it off? You can make a motion to amend and see if there's a second to that amendment Is that under sturgis or under rosin? An emotion to amend would be under actually all of the operating rules Supervisor cap it the here's the thing that I would that I would just say is We're not making all these my motion does not mean all these changes will be made But we are going to come back in six months To to see whether what we've done Makes a difference and whether we want to make any change additional changes including the one suggested here by the subcommittee I think that'll give us some time to to see how this process is working in in real time And and there might be at that moment. We may want to make changes Beyond what we've talked about here today There could be good things to this. I just uh, I'm kind of like other people in the public I just want more time. So I'm gonna there is a motion to amend it off until no Is is there a second to the motion to amend? Okay, is there is is there a second? All right, so so seen no Ms. Garrett, can you please stop disrupting the meeting if you disrupt the meeting one more time? I'm gonna have to request that you leave this meeting There's been four times now that you have been speaking from the public Please just respect the fact that we're trying to hold a meeting here Okay, we have a motion to amend Is there a second to the motion to amend? Seeing none, we'll move back to the original motion all those in favor of the original motion say I I opposed no it passes four to one with supervisor cap it We'll move on to item 86.1, which is pulled item 74 pulled item 74 Is To approve the amendment to agreement with matt mcdonald by extending the contract term to june 30th 2020 for on-call traffic engineering consultant services Of 125 000 per fiscal year and take related actions as recommended by the deputy ceo We have the agenda item board memo the amendment the fee schedule the sole source than the amendment Ms. Steinbrunner you pulled this item. Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to pull this item today Um, my name is back a steinbrunner. I do have concerns having read the documentation around extending the matt mcdonald and keeping them on For 125 000 per fiscal year in the documentation It cited the primary reason to keep this company on as a consultant is the aptos village project improvements um I think there were a lot of problems with the phase one And there's another item that we're we're going to discuss here in a minute about the phase one aptos village traffic improvements and um I I have a lot of concern about the county taxpayers Having to spend an ordinate amount of money To make the improvements that are necessary to accommodate the aptos village project developers When the tia fees paid by these developers are really reduced Because of poor calculations because of an inaccurate calculations And they're in the mitigations there were zero traffic mitigations By the developer for this project. There was one traffic mitigation In at state park done by the county So this is not fair and I ask that you not Approve this extension Because it seems to me it is purely to assist the aptos village project developers And I want to know if it is extended how those mistakes that were made in phase one Will be addressed in phase two, which has perken right along And I'd like to hear a discussion about this from our new public works director. Thank you very much Thank you. So moving back to the board. Are there any questions on this item? Is there anybody else from the community that like to address this on this item? Excuse me I apologize for not keeping open public comment on this Please So, I guess this is the last day members of the public can pull an item themselves Right. We have to contact you in advance to do it now That's really Antidemocratic to the hilt This seems to be just another way the taxpayer funds Are paying For a huge development project for the profit of the developers vinson and I guess app and rod And this is not what our taxpayer funds Are supposed to be used for they're supposed to benefit the public And uh that huge silicon valley type Project with the traffic congestion the high water use That the county repairs the roads damaged by this work of the developer You see why people are discouraged or don't trust Government when it doesn't represent them Anybody specifically to this contract would like to speak to us. Yeah. Yeah, I was able to peruse that This is the last time we're going to be able to speak freely It seems like the county board supervisor wants to put a bullet And public comment and participating Mr. Alexander to the contract. Yeah. Yeah, I want to be able to say this I support uh Becky Steinburner's leadership Long liberty. Thank you. Okay Anybody else on something germane to this item? Okay, seeing none. We'll bring it back to the board. Is there other questions or an action move approval? Second we have a motion from supervisor coonerty and a second from supervisor leopold all those in favor I posed It passes unanimously. We'll move on to item 86.2, which is pulled 83.2 Which is approved contract change order in the amount of 137 138 62 cents for the aptos village improvements phase one project And take related actions is recommended by the deputy ceo We have the memo the contract change order and the amendment miss steinburner Thank you back a steinburner of aptos um, I th