From around the globe, it's theCUBE with digital coverage of AWS ReInvent 2020, sponsored by Intel, AWS, and our community partners. Everyone, welcome back to theCUBE's coverage of AWS ReInvent 2020. It's a virtual conference this year. This is theCUBE virtual. I'm John Furrier, your host. We're not in person this year. We're doing it remote because of the pandemic, but it's going to be wall-to-wall coverage for three weeks. We got you covered and we got a great interview, a signature interview here with two CUBE alumni, Matt Garmin, vice president of sales and marketing at AWS, formerly head of EC2, and of course, Sanjay Poonan, COO of VMware, both distinguished guests and alumni of theCUBE. Good to see you, Sanjay. Matt, thanks for coming on. Let's just jump into it. How are you guys doing? Great. Exciting, excited for ReInvent and excited for the conversation. So thanks for having us on. Yeah, I'm great to be here. We are allowed to be six feet away from each other, so I came in, but super excited about the partnership. Matt and I have been friends for several years and we're excited about another ReInvent. The different circumstances doing it all virtual, but it's a fantastic partnership. You know, I look forward to ReInvent. It's one of my most favorite times of the year and it's also kind of stressful because it backs up against Thanksgiving. And but, you know, you get through it, you have your turkey and you do the Friday and you guys probably have keynote preps and all the things going on. And then you go to Vegas, it's a huge celebration. We're not doing it this year, it's three weeks. So there's going to be a lot of big content in the first week and we're going to roll that out and we're going to cover it. But it's going to be a different celebration. So Matt, I know you're in front and center on this, just real quick, what do you expect people to be doing on the system? What's your expectations and how is this all going to play out? Yeah, it's going to be different, but I think we have just as much exciting news as ever. And you know, it's going to be over a three week period. I think it actually gives people an opportunity to see more things. I think a lot of times we heard from customers before was they love the excitement of being in Vegas and we're not going to be able to exactly replicate that. But we have a lot of exciting things planned and it enables customers to get to more sessions, see more of the content and really see more of the exciting things that are coming out of AWS and there's a lot. And so over the three weeks, I encourage folks to dive in and really learn. This is an opportunity for customers to learn about the cloud and some really cool things coming out. So we're excited. Well, congratulations on all the business performance. I know that there's been a tailwind with the pandemic as people want to go faster and smarter with the cloud and on premise and Sanjay, you guys have had great results as well. Before I get into some of my pointed questions, I have a lot of, I know we don't have a lot of time, but I want to get an update on the relationship. We covered in three years ago when Andy Jassy and team came down to San Francisco with Pat Gelsinger, Raghu, Sanjay, all this went down. It was skeptics. Relationship has proven to be quite strong and successful for both parties. Could you guys take a minute, Sanjay, we'll start with you and talk about the relationship update. Where are you guys at? What's the status of the relationship? People want to know. Yeah, I think, John, the relationship is going really well. It's rooted in, first off, a clear understanding that there's value for customers. This is the best of the public cloud and the private cloud in a hybrid cloud journey. And then secondly, a deep engineering effort. This wasn't a Barney announcement. We both decided, Matt, in his previous role was running a lot of the engineering efforts. We were really keen to make this a deep engineering effort and often when we have our connected QBRs, we're doing one a little later this afternoon. I often can't tell when a Amazon person is speaking, when a VMware person is speaking. We're so connected, both the engineering and then the go-to-market efforts. And I think after the two or three years that the solution has had to gestate and now we have many, many customers starting to get real value. The go-to-market side of the operation is really starting to take off. So we're very excited about it. It is the preferred and the best offering, we think, in the market. And for VMware customers, we message it as the best place for a VMware workload that's running on vSphere to move into Amazon. Matt, what's your take on the relationship update from your standpoint? I agree, Sanjay. I think it's been fantastic. I think, like you said, some folks were skeptical when we first announced it, but we knew that there was something there. And I think as we've gotten even deeper into this partnership and figured out how we can continue to integrate more deeply, both with on-prem and into the cloud, our customers have really guided us. And I think that's enabled us to further strengthen that partnership. And customers continue to get more excited when they see how easy it is to move and operate their VMware and their vSphere workloads inside of AWS and how it integrates well with their AWS environment. And they can still use all of the same functions and capabilities that they've built their business on inside of vSphere. We're seeing bigger and bigger customers really just embrace us. And the partnership's only grown stronger. I think Sanjay and I, we do joint sales calls together. I think that the business has really grown. And it's been a fantastic partnership. I was talking about that yesterday with VMware and AWS Teams members as well. I want to get your thoughts on this cultural fit. Sanjay mentioned, I think the engineering cultures are there. The, also the corporate culture, both customer focused. I remember Andy Jassy told me, hey, we're customer focused. I'm like, well, you're making big statements. Public cloud and now he goes to hybrid. He's very reactive to the customers. And this is a cultural thing for AWS and VMware. What are the customers saying to you now? What are you working backwards from this year? Because there's a lot to work backwards from. You got the pandemic. You got clear trends around app modernization, automation under the covers, if you will. And you got VMware successful software running on their cloud on AWS. You got other customers. Matt, what's the big trends right now that are highlighted in your world? Yeah, it's a good question. And I think, you know, it really does highlight the strength of this hybrid model. I think, you know, pre-pandemic, we had huge numbers of customers, obviously kind of looking at the cloud, but some of the largest enterprises in the world and the more traditional enterprises, they really weren't doing a lot. You know, they were tipping their toes in and some of the forward leaning enterprises were being really aggressive about getting into the cloud. But, you know, many people were just, you know, kind of hesitant or kind of telling, saying, yes, we'll go learn about the cloud. I think as soon as the pandemic hit, we're really starting to see some of those more traditional enterprises realize it's a business imperative for them to have a big cloud strategy and to move there quickly. And I think our partnership with VMware and the VMC offering really is allowing many of these large enterprises to do that. And we see big traditional enterprises really accelerating that move into the cloud. It gives them the business agility they need and allows them to operate their environment in a certain world that allows them to operate remotely. And so we're seeing all of those trends. And I think we're going to continue to see the acceleration of our joint business. Sanjay, your thoughts. Virtualization has hit a whole other level. It's not like server virtualization. It's cultural, it's societal. What's your take? Yeah, I think, you know, virtualization is that fabric that connects the private cloud to the public cloud. It's the basis for a lot of the public cloud infrastructure. So when we listen to customers, I think the first kind of misconception we had to help them with was that it had to be a choice between one or the other. And being able to take VMware cloud, which was basically compute storage networking management and put that into the bare metal capabilities of AWS and engineer deep into the stack and all the services that Matt and the engineering team were able to provide to us. Now it allows that sort of application that sitting on premise to move like a house on wheels into AWS. And that's a beautiful experience we've even shown in conferences like a virtual reality, moving of a workload, throwing a workload into AWS and AWS catches it. It's a good metaphor and a good way to think of those things that VMware like, like VMware customers like, like VMotion moves nicely. But then the other misconception we had to kind of illustrate to our customers was that you could once you were there, let's take that metaphor, the house and wheels, renovate the house with all the, I think there's probably 200 odd services that Amazon AWS has, all of AI, data services, BI, IoT, whatever you have, all the things that Andy and Matt kind of talk about in any of the re-invents, you get to participate and build on those services. So it has, it's not like you take this there and then it's sort of a dead end. You get to modernize your app after you migrate it. So this migrate and modernize motion is something that we've really started to reinforce with our customers. And it doesn't matter which one you do first. You may modernize first and then migrate or migrate first and modernize. And in the modernized parts, we've also made some significant investments in containers and Tanzu. We could talk about that if there's time and optimizing that for both the private cloud world and the public cloud world like Amazon. You know, Matt, this is something that we're talking about a lot this week, these few weeks with re-invent going on. Everything is a service trend. It has a lot of things under it like automation, higher level services. One of the critics would say three years ago when this announcement relationship between VMware and AWS came out was, oh, Amazon's just going to steal all of their customers. And VMware screwed, turns out that's not the case. You guys are both winning and the rising tide floats all boats because VMware has an operator kind of market. People are operating their business with VMware and they're adding higher level services with cloud native. So it's an overall win. So that was proven false. So that clearly the new trend. You guys are gaining a large enterprises that want to go fast that have that existing operator kind of legacy stuff or preconditions of the enterprise like VMware. So how do you guide the technology teams and how do you look at this?  What's your view on all this? So I think you're exactly right. I think we see a lot of customers who see, I don't want to necessarily lose what I have, I want to add on top of that. And so whether that's adding machine learning and kind of figuring out how they can take their data from various different data silos and put them into a large data lake and get some machine learning insights on top of that, whether they want to do analytics, whether they want to do IoT, whether they want to modernize to containers. I think there's a whole bunch of ways in which customers are looking at that. But you're absolutely right. It's not a, I'm going to go from A to B, it's I'm going to take A and add B to it. And we see that's over and over again. I think what we've seen from customers doing it and they're really taking advantage of that, right? And I think customers see all the announcements that we're making and reinvent over the next three weeks and they want to be able to take advantage of those things, right? It's they want to be able to add that onto their production environment. They want to take a lot of the benefits they've gotten from their VMware environment, but also add some of these innovations from AWS. And I think that's, that really is what we focus on. It's what our engineering teams focus on. You know, we have joint engineering efforts to figure out how we can bridge that gap, right? So that they, the VMware environments can very easily reach into their AWS environment and take advantage of all the new services and offerings that we have there. And so that's, that's exactly what our joint teams really push together. Sanjay, I want to get your thoughts on this. And we talked years ago, remember we had a conversation on theCUBE. I asked you, Sanjay, this is a great move for VMware because it simplifies the messaging and clears up the whole cloud strategy.  You said, it's not just simplifying the messaging to customers about what we're going to do in the cloud. It's going to simplify their life. It's going to make things easier, have them set up for better, betterness, goodness down the road. Can you take a minute to explain what that, what that goodness was? What came out of the simplicity of the messaging, the simplicity of the solution? Where are we now? Is that all kind of tying together? Can you take a minute to explain that? Yeah, I think when the history books are written, John, this partnership will be one of the most seminal partnerships because from VMware's perspective, maybe a little bit from Amazon, I'll let Matt talk about it if he feels the same way. This is a headwind turning into a tailwind. I think that sort of narrative that VMware and Amazon were competing with each other is that maybe it was the early story in the early days of AWS's progress and VMware trying to build our own public cloud and then divesting that. Matt's a Stanford grad, I'm a Harvard grad. So one day there'll be a case study I think in both schools about how this partnership. We have a strong partnership with Dell. I sometimes joke that's a little bit of an arranged marriage. We don't have, we didn't have much saying that because EMC bought Dell. So that's an important partnership, but this one we had to work hard to create. And I tell our customers, Dell and AWS are our top partners. And as you think about what we've been able to do here, the simplicity of the customer for you, as you describe this, is being able to really lower cost of ownership in any process in terms of how they're building and migrating apps to be the best optimization of hardware, software and services. And the more you can make that better, simpler, cheaper through software and through the movement to the cloud, I think customers benefit. And then of course the innovation machine of both companies, Amazon's really building on, I mean, every time I go to reinvent, I'm just amazed at the, I think it's up near 200 services that they're building in all of these rich layers. All of those developer services and I don't know, two million customers, the whatever number of people they have at Reinvent this year, get to participate on top of all the applications in the virtualization infrastructure we've built over the 20 years of our history. So I hope, as we continue to do this, this is all now about customer success, large and small customers being able to do it. And I'm very gratified two, three years since we announced this, that we're getting very good customer traction. And for us, that's going to be a key focus to the Reinvent presence we have at their show. It really just goes to show you when you've built, when you invest in relationships up and down the spectrum from engineering, a product and executive, it kind of does pay off. Congratulations to you guys on that. Matt, I want to get your thoughts on where this is going because you're talking about the messaging from VMware and the execution that comes behind it is the best private public cloud, hybrid cloud success. There's momentum there. What are the customers saying to you when you look at customer proof points? What do you point to? Because you're now in charge of sales and marketing. You have to take now the install base of Amazon web services, which is you got the devs and the startups and cloud scale to large enterprises. Now you got the post COVID growth go fast, cloud scale. You've got a huge customer base. You've got to target these guys and you got to bring the solution. What are they saying about the VMware AWS success? Can you share some data? Yeah, I'd be happy to. I think, and look, this is what gets us excited. I know Sanjay gets just as excited about this. And it's really, it's resonating across our customer base.  They had a hardware procurement cycle. They were looking at an on-prem implementation and they looked at AWS and VMware and they said, look, we want to migrate all of our applications. We want to migrate everything we have into the cloud. I think it was 150 critical financial applications that they seamlessly migrated with zero downtime, now all running on VMC in the cloud. You look at governments, right? We have folks like the Scottish government and many government customers. We have folks that are like Penny Mack and regulated industries. They really took critical parts of their application and seamlessly migrated them to AWS and VMC. And they looked at us and when we talked to these customers we really say like, where is the best place for us to run these vSphere workloads? And the great thing is we have a consistent message. We know that it's the right, that AWS and VMware is the best place to run those vSphere workloads in the cloud. And so as we see enterprises, as we see regulated industries, as we see governments really looking to modernize and take advantage of the cloud we're seeing them move whole swaths of their applications. And these are not just small parts. These are the critical, really mission critical applications that they know that they need to get flexibility on and they want to get that agility. And so, there's been a broad swath of customers like that that have really moved large, large pieces of their application in AWS. So it's been fun to see. And John, if I might add to that, what we've also sought to do is pick some of those great customers like the ones that Matt talked about and put them on stage. So at VMworld in the previous, we had Freddie Mac and we had IHS market and these are good examples in the few that Matt talked about. And so I'm super excited and I expect there'll be many more at Reinvent. We did some also at VMworld. So we're getting these big customers to talk about this because then you get a tent phenomenon. Everyone wants to come to this tent to be able to participate in that momentum. The other thing I'm super excited about it started off as a U.S. phenomenon, just the U.S. customers. But I'm starting to see real interest from European and APJ customers, Asia-Pacific customers in countries, Australia, Japan, U.K., France, Germany. So this becomes a global phenomenon where customers understand that this doesn't have to be just the U.S. centric customers that are participating. And then that was for me a very key objective. Because the early customers are always going to start in the geo where there's the most resonance with the public cloud. But now we're starting to see this really take off in many parts of the world. That's a great point. That's something we can talk about in another conversation. Maybe we'll bring you guys into some of our live check-ins throughout the three weeks we're doing here at Reinvent. But this global regional approach, Matt, has been hugely successful. We're on Amazon. We have cube regions because by default we're on top of Amazon. You're seeing companies build on top of Amazon. Look at Snowflake, the largest IPO in the history of Wall Street behind VMware. They run on Amazon, right? They'll probably have other clouds too on the road, but the point is you guys are enabling this globally. And it is one of the things that we hear from customers that they love about running in the cloud.  If you had to go roll out to Europe and then you had to build data centers in Germany and then you had to build data centers in the UK and then you had to go build data centers in Australia, like that would be an enormous cost and complexity. And they probably wouldn't do it, frankly, at their early stage. Now they spin up another stack and they're able to serve their customers anywhere around the world. And we're seeing that from our VMware customers where they actually are spinning up brand new VMC clusters where they weren't able to do it before where they either had to operate from a single stack. Now they're able to say, you know what, I'd love to have a VMware stack in Australia and they're able to get that up and running quickly. So I do think that this is actually enabling new business. It's enabling customers to think about how do they put their compute environment close to where their end users are or where they need that compute environment to be. Sometimes it's close to end users, sometimes it's for data residency requirements, but it really kind of enables customers to do that where think about in a COVID world, if you had to go launch a data center in a new country, you probably just, I mean, maybe it wouldn't even be possible to do that. We are today. And now it's just API calls. I mean, your point about going slows in an option, the imperative, you know, we have an expression here inside, SiliconANGLE and the CUBE team. Is there a problem? Yes, is it important? Yes, what are the consequences if you don't solve the problem? Can you quantify those consequences? And then you got to look at solutions and look at the timing. So you got timing, you got cost, you got the consequences of not doing it and speed. All those things, no one's going to roll out a data center in six months if they tried. So again, cloud and joiner come in to play here. You got to operate something that's a hand in the glove. I'm seeing the cream rise to the top with COVID. You're seeing real examples of real scale, real value, problems that are solved that are important that have consequences that can be quantified. I mean, it's simple as that. Yeah, no, John, I was going to say, in addition to this VMware cloud and AWS, we're also a pretty prominent AWS customer for some of our services. So some of the services that we've seen accelerate through COVID are these distributed workforce security capabilities. So we use Zoom internally, that obviously runs on AWS, but then surrounding that with Workspace One and Carbon Black to secure the laptop that goes home, those services of ours run on AWS too. So this is one of those places where we're grateful that we could run those as cloud services because we're also just like Snowflake and Zoom and others, many of the services that we build that are SaaS type services run on Amazon and that reinforces the partnership for us almost like a SaaS customer. Well, gentlemen, I really appreciate your insight. As always, a great conversation. We can go for another hour. You guys are the leaders of your organizations. You're at the front lines and managing through the pandemic. We'll have you guys come into our check-ins throughout the three weeks now here during re-invent for more commentary, but I'd like you to end this segment by sharing in your opinion, what is the most important thing that the audience should pay attention to this year at re-invent? I know there's a lot of things going on. It's three weeks, not four days. It's so, it's longer, but still, there's a lot of announcements, Matt, on your side, VMware, you got the momentum, you got your announcements. What should customers pay attention to this re-invent virtual 2020? So, do you want to go first? No, no, Matt, it's your show. You go first. I would encourage folks to really think about and plan the three weeks out. This is the opportunity to really dive in and learn. Re-invent is, as many of you know, this is just a different type of conference. It's not a marketing conference. This is a learning conference. And even virtually, that doesn't change. And so I encourage, look across the broad swath of things that we're doing, learn about machine learning and what we're doing in that space, learn about the new compute capabilities or container capabilities, learn about what is most relevant to your business. If you're looking about, hey, I have an on-premise data center and I'm looking about how I extend into the cloud, there's a lot of new capabilities around BMC and AWS that makes sense. But there's also a lot of cool announcements around just other services that could be interesting. We have a ton of customers that are giving talks and learning from other customers is often the best way to really understand how you can get the most value out of the cloud. And so I encourage folks to really kind of block that time. I think it's easy when you're remote to get distracted by watching Netflix or answering emails or things like that. But this is a great opportunity to block that schedule, find the time that you have to really spend time and dive into the sessions because we have a ton of great content and a lot of really cool launches coming up. Yeah, and just very quickly I would like, one of the things I love about Amazon's culture and we're similar at VMware is that sort of growth mindset, learn it all. And I'm looking for it myself personally to going to reinvent university. This is three weeks of learning, listening to many of those things, I learn a ton and I've tried to have my own sort of mindset of have being a learn it all as opposed to know it all.  We're seeing enormous success in the key verticals VMware plays in, which is telco, financial services, public sector, healthcare, manufacturing, CPG, retail, I mean, whatever it is. So, and many of those customers will be doing virtual talks or we have case studies or use cases because often these sort of birds of a feather allow you to then plan your migration and modernization journey in a similar fashion. Matt and Sanjay, always great to get the leaders of the two biggest companies in our world, AWS and VMware to share their perspectives. This year's going to be different. I'm looking forward to really kind of stepping up and leaning into the virtual because we're going to do three weeks of CUBE coverage. We're going to have like special coverage days, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday for each of the three weeks that we're in and we're going to try to make it as fun as possible, keep everyone engaged and try to help people navigate through the virtual world. So looking forward to having you guys back on and sharing, thanks for coming on, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Okay, this is the CUBE's virtual coverage of AWS Virtual ReInvent 2020. I'm John Furrier, host. Stay with us, SiliconANGLE.com, the CUBE. We'll be checking in with our live coverage in and out of the sessions and stay with us for more wall-to-wall coverage. Thanks for watching.


So hello everybody, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you are, hello. My name is Lucy, Lucy Cadena. And I'm going to be your trainer for today's webinar, which is called Going Big. So it's all about recruitment and outreach and making sure that your event, your climate strikes event is as big and powerful as it can be. So this is one of a series of three webinars that we're running. So many of you may already have been on some of the other webinars. So there's escalation and goals and strategy are the other two topics that we're running. And these are going to be running on a rolling basis all the way up to the climate strikes in the end of September. So there's plenty of opportunities to join those other trainings as well. So a little bit about myself. I'm Lucy, I use the pronoun she and her and based in Budapest, which is where I live. But I'm from the UK and I first got active in climate change activism when I was a youth activist with the UK Youth Climate Coalition in the UK. And then again with young friends of the earth. And since then I've worked for friends of the earth international and for 350 now. And so this topic is very close to my heart because I'm all about youth activism and school strikes are really kind of inspiring for me. So you'll notice that you are on mute at the moment, which is why we've asked you to type your introductions into the chat box, which might be this way, it might be that way. So thank you to those of you who've already done that. So hi again, Rachel. Hello again, Eric. Hi again, Gea. Nice to see you all. And just keep typing in your introductions into that chat box. Make sure that you have set your chat box to say to all panelists and attendees, which is something that I had forgotten to say. So there's a little there's a little drop down menu there in the bit where you type in your message. And it's in blue and just make sure it says all panelists and attendees. And I forgot to do that earlier. I sent you all a little, little message, but it didn't go to any of you. Because if it's if it's to all panelists, it just means it just goes to kind of me and the tech person and that's not really much use. So hello, everybody. Hello again, Yoko. Hello, Zoe. Hello, Zahar. And yeah, good to see you all again. And so I'll take you through some of the controls again that we're going to be using. So there's the chat box. You can use this at any point. It's really the most frequently used tool that we have. And you can use it to, you know, to communicate with me, to communicate with other people. Another tool that we're going to use is the Q&A box. So question and answer box. And we use this most kind of at the end in the Q&A session, but you can also type questions in there at any point during this webinar. We'll try and we'll try and answer them live if we can. But if not, we'll come back to it at the Q&A. And there's also raise hands. So there are times in this webinar when I'll say to you, does somebody want to share on the microphone your experience or your idea or anything like that. And I'll invite you to raise your hand and then I can take you up mute and you can speak into your microphone. There's also we're going to have another poll during this webinar. And if you're joining on voice call via your phone, then I'm afraid you won't be able to participate, but I'll run you through it. So I'm going to introduce our tech person today, which is Nona again. Say hello Nona. Oh, I think you're on mute, Nona. I was on mute. I think I've been on a webinar with some of you already. I'm just here if you have any questions and to help you sort out any tech difficulties that you may have. Thanks very much Nona. So you can use the chat box to chat with Nona. You can actually select on that drop down menu again you can select tech help Nona and that will send a private message to her. So just to let you know we are recording this session and that's for training purposes but also for you to watch back if you've missed anything. So a big hello to everybody and let's get started. So what you'll need for this workshop, make sure that you have a pen and paper handy during this workshop. You may also need a calculator. So I hope that doesn't stress anyone out but there's going to be a little bit of maths in this in this webinar. But if you don't have a calculator, you know, your phone will probably have a calculator or your computer or Google can help you out. Or you might be able to do sums in your head, which is something that I can't do. So I'd be very impressed. The objectives of this webinar. So hopefully by the end of this webinar we're going to have a better understanding about movement building and reaching beyond our bubble. And we want to have identified the most important groups and people to reach out to so you might have something at the end of the webinar that looks a bit like this on your piece of paper. So this webinar again is designed to be interactive. So we invite you to take responsibility for your own learning engage with the questions engage with the exercises as much as you can. So the agenda for today, we're going to talk about achieving this kind of tipping point like how big do we need to go. How many people do we need to mobilize. We're going to talk about building active support. And then we're going to go on to recruiting from outside our circles. We're going to talk about roles and responsibilities and then the next kind of course of action. And then of course resources and question time.  So again, if you're on the phone, if you're joining by voicemail you won't be able to buy a voice call. I always say voicemail by voice call you won't be able to see this but if you're on your computer this will have popped up for you. And again we're asking, you know, is this your first time taking action? Are you a regular activist? Have you participated before? And also are you connected up? Is there a local climate action group that you're part of? Is there a group that you're not a part of? But or is there one, you know, is it that you want to create your own group or do you not want to be part of the group? So just a few more seconds for you to kind of fill that out. And I can see, I can see these responses coming in and you can't which is quite exciting. But I'll share the results with you. Okay, five more seconds. Three, two, one. Okay.  So you're completely new. This is going to be your first time taking action. And this makes me very, very excited and very warm welcome to you. And we've got a couple of regular activists. We've got most people here involved in a local climate action group. Oh, sorry, like 50%. And most other people know that there's a group locally but not yet involved. So, so maybe after this webinar, you will kind of reach out to them and get involved. Cool. Thanks for helping me out with that. So I'm going to start by asking you a question. 3.5% of the population has anybody heard of the 3.5% rule before? I'm very curious. If you have heard them, raise your hand and tell me what it is. You can also type in the chat if you're feeling a little bit shy. Simon, okay, would you like to unmute yourself and let us know what's the 3.5% rule? Or what do you think it is? You might need to click unmute. Okay. Hello, Simon. Hello, Lucy. Hi. Hi, how are you? Good, thank you. Do you know what the 3.5% rule is? Not yet. Okay. Are you going to have a guess? Well, if I have to have a guess, it's like you have the 3.5 people that are actually living in the countries that actually are polluting and causing climate change. And then you have the bigger number who are actually more, who will be affected more by climate change, that would be my guess. Ah, that's a really good guess. It's not quite what we're looking for. But it's a really good guess because obviously there's only a small percent of the population who's responsible for the most amount of climate change. So it's a good guess, but it's not the one we're looking for. So I'm going to explain now what the 3.5% rule is. But thank you, Simon. So the 3.5% rule. So this is something that a professor called Erica Chenoweth came up with. Okay. And what it means is that it takes around 3.5% of the population actively participating in nonviolent civil disobedience to ensure serious political change. Right. So this is from a study conducted by this political scientist, Erica Chenoweth from Harvard University. And she conducted a study of the top 300 social movements and campaigns from the 20th century. And she, you know, collected so much data on this and she found that there was an 100% success rate for those campaigns that had the active popular support of 3.5% of the population. Right. So, yeah, it's actually really incredible, really motivating. I would very much recommend you watch her TED talk on it because it's really illuminating actually. Because I, you know, I would have thought it would be a much bigger percentage, but it's not really. So we can consider 3.5% to be kind of a tipping point for social movements. It's the point at which the balance of power shifts in our favor. So active and sustained participation. Oh, I forgot. Sorry, this has gone on to a link. So active and sustained participation. What does that mean? So in other words, active popular support. So when I first heard this, I thought that it meant we need 3.5% of the population in the street on one big March, marching at the same time. And whereas that is a truly admirable goal, it's not quite accurate. So the keyword here is active. It means that those 3.5% are taking action. Right. Amazing, Rachel. Thank you for finding that. So everybody after this webinar, you should watch this TED talk. Right. So what does local action? What does what does active mean? So active can mean showing up. Yeah, it can mean showing up for rallies, marches, phone banking, door knocking, strikes, for example. It can mean that. It can also mean voting with the movement, right? It can also mean persuading others at school, family reunions at work online. And also it can mean acting independently within your own sphere of influence. So for example, teachers using their classrooms, right? And members making resolutions in their union. This is all active participation. So believe it or not, over half of the world's population is concerned about climate change. This may vary from country to country, but the number of active deniers is actually now very small in most countries. Over 51% of people globally care and are concerned about climate change. And this is quite significant because what it means is the time for awareness raising is largely over, right? Yes, publicity will help us to create a new norm and move us towards our goals. Yes, education is very important. But what we really need now at this moment in time is active participation. So I have, I promised you that there would be a maths test here, right? So this is your maths test. I want you to find out how many is 3.5% in your country. So hopefully most of us have kind of a rough idea of the population of our own country. And your task now is to do this calculation and write it into the chat. Okay, I'm going to do my own as well. So Zoe says that's 770,000 people in Australia. Is that right? 770,000? Yeah. So 3.5 million in the Philippines, 2.1 million people for Rachel, 9.24 million people in Indonesia, 2.8 million people in Germany. Well, I'm beginning to realise how small Hungary actually is, 2.1 million in Italy, 525,000 in Rwanda. Okay, so the next question is, how does that number make you feel? Okay, and be honest, is it bigger or smaller than you expected? Is it overwhelming, hopeful, surprising, achievable, 300,000 in Israel, bigger than expected? Rachel, you think overwhelmingly achievable, I like your enthusiasm. Yeah, it's big. So a mix of feelings here, right? Yeah, it feels kind of overwhelming for some people. For some people, you know, 3.5 sounds like a tiny number and then you put it into that kind of calculation and it's actually quite an impressive number, right? So don't worry if it feels a little bit overwhelming because we're going to break it down a little bit in the next slides. So in our goals and strategy webinar, which some of you may have joined yesterday or before, we talk about how we can better approach local action by viewing our local community as many different social groups and networks brought together by an intersection of geography, work, education, shared interests or shared identity. So in that sense, we're actually all a part of many, many local communities, right? So your task now is to choose just one community that you are a part of and to write it on your sheet of paper. So that could be your faith community. It could be your school, university, your workplace, a kind of shared interest community. So just write down one. Okay. So next maths test, right, is asking how many is 3.5% of your chosen community. So you might have, you might need to estimate the number of people in your community. So for example, if your school has 300 students, then that would mean that you need 10 people. Or if I estimate in my apartment building, there's probably about 50 people. So that would mean like one or two people. So try and estimate what is your community, what is 3.5% of that community and type it into the chat. Okay, Simon says 15,000. So I'm interested to hear what's your, what's your community Simon and Yoko, what's your community? So 15,000, we've got four people. We've got 49 people. It's very precise. So Eric, what's your community there? So Zoe, your client. So 3.5% is about four. Okay, Eric, so that's your locality. Okay. And that's quite a nice one to do as well. Because usually we can have a bit more of a clear picture of the numbers. School of 20 teachers and staff and 100 parents. Oh, okay. So thanks Yoko. But we'll team one person. Okay. Okay. So we all kind of have done this first sort of just one of the communities that we're part of, right? So I'm going to pose that question again. How does that number make you feel achievable, right? 700, maybe Facebook group that could count. I think that's a community, right? It is very achievable. Okay. So it's a lot more achievable than that kind of bigger. Yeah, already, already achieved even. Okay. So it doesn't mean that that's the total number of people that you need to recruit, right? Okay. All it means is that if you can encourage that number of people to join you from that community in actively supporting the climate strikes, that's the tipping point that will likely cause others in that group to take up your cause. But more importantly, if you can do that for every community that you're a part of, and if we all can have at least 3.5% because that's an achievable number, then we can actually start to see momentum building and to affect real change. So I like your thinking, Yoko. It should be a domino. So four people ask other people from different communities. I think you're way ahead of us actually because we're going to talk about something a bit like that. So we're going to look in a little bit more detail about how we can identify potential supporters and talk about building active support, right? So many of you may be familiar with the spectrum of allies. Some of you may not be familiar with it because I wasn't before I did an activist training. So here's a little explanation. So often when we start out trying to mobilize, we kind of identify our audience or target group as the general public. And you'd not believe how many experienced campaigners and activists identify their target audience as the general public, right? Because this can be kind of unhelpful because it's quite vague and by trying to reach everybody in the same way, by trying to get everyone to engage in the same way, we might actually end up not really reaching anybody. So one way of being more strategic here is to break down the general public into these kind of categories. So from left to right, we have active supporters, we have passive supporters, then we have neutral, passive opposition, and then active opposition. So the idea here is that one goal in movement building is to move people in each category one step towards the left. So passive opposition becomes neutral, neutral becomes passive support and so on. So my question now is in the chat, can you give me any examples of active supporters of the climate strikes, either locally, nationally, or globally? So they might be an individual, an organization, or an institution, or a community, but these are the people who are actively already part of the movement mobilizing for the climate strikes. So who are our active supporters? Greta Thunberg of course, yes. So we hear has arrived safely in New York. So she's definitely an active supporter, she's, yeah. Those listed in the partners list are active supporters. Absolutely. So all of those organizations that you can see in the Global Climate Strikes website, they're all active supporters. So NGO leaders. So Eric, in your local area, it's the Rwanda Environmental Organization, Global Greens, Fridays for Future. I think we've got this. Yeah, absolutely. So I think that you might agree that these are really these kind of people, extinction, rebellion, yep. Elon Musk maybe globally, yeah, I mean, maybe Bob Brown. So yeah, so these are these are people who we know are already involved, they're already involved in the climate fight. These people are not our biggest target for the climate strikes, they're already involved. Okay, so you don't have to persuade them, we don't have to do any work there. It's those passive supporters that we have our eyes on that we need to be targeting. We need to put our efforts into moving these people from passive to active supporters. So passive supporters are those who are concerned about climate change, but so far, they haven't done anything active about it, right? So for example, my friend, Thea, for example, is a passive supporter. She often posts about climate related articles on social media. I know that she's concerned. I also know that she's never taken action, right? So another question, can you think of an example of a passive supporter that you know in your network? And again, either it's an individual or a group or an organization that you can type into the chat. This might be slightly harder to identify.  You've never been in a strike, but remember that active, when we say active, it means different things. You're here on this training, so I'm afraid I think that you've already passed over the threshold into being an active supporter. Most university students, yeah, most educated people are concerned about climate change, right? People in education who are seeing these statistics and things all the time who are surrounded by other concerned people, they're going to be passive supporters. People who like climate change friendly posts, most of my friends are passive supporters. Yeah, most of my friends too actually are passive supporters. It's quite frustrating sometimes, but they are, yeah. Some members of parliament, right? Okay, so we've got it. So if we're organizing with another tactic. So for example, if we were using educational awareness raising, right? Then our aim there would probably be, we'd probably be doing that because we want to encourage neutral people to become passive supporters, right? But that's not our tactic. That's not our strategy. We're organizing disruptive action. And for that to work, we need active popular support, right? So remember the keyword in that 3.5% rule is active participation. And also remember that over half of the world's population is concerned about climate change. So if we really think about it in that way, our passive supporter base is actually huge. It may not be as big as half in some countries, but it's still a pretty big percentage. So it's very clear then that now in 2019, our task is to activate those people to turn them into active supporters. So now I have a couple of questions for you. I'm going to give you maybe two minutes to list the active supporters and the passive supporters of the climate strikes in your local area. So these might be communities that you are part of or that you know about. And the two minutes start now. So again, these might be individuals, grassroots groups, organizations, institutions. So please list them on your piece of paper. And just to give you an example, just so that you can see maybe some inspiration. I've done my own. Here's one I did earlier. So I've listed my active supporters that I know about. And then I've kind of thought it's a little bit harder and gone for my passive supporters in my local area as well. Again, if you do finish early, then do feel free to share into the chat. But this is really, you know, an exercise for you to do yourself. Okay, so hopefully by now you probably have an idea of the active supporters, right? And maybe you have a bit more, a few passive supporters. Okay. So hopefully you have those now. Let me know if you do need more time.  Who is missing? Because we need to take a minute and question, are we making assumptions about who is and is not a supporter of climate justice? And where do those assumptions come from? Do we need to test them? It's likely that we're going to think first about those people within our own demographic or our own communities or our own social bubble, right? But it's important that we also consider diversity in class, race, age, gender, profession, and more. So thinking along those lines, you might be able to add some potential passive supporters to your list. So I want you to just take a moment now and see if you can add three groups to your list. And I'm going to give you my example here as well. So I had my active supporters, my passive supporters, and I noticed that these are people who are already in my bubble, right? So I started to look outside my bubble and think about maybe Migrants Help Association in Hungary, the Budapest Bite Mafia, which I know is a social justice group, the kind of radical and church-faith organizations that I'm not part of, but I know are really powerful here in Hungary. So hopefully you're thinking you're able to add maybe three other organizations to your list. And if you would like to share them, please do. So Simon said, Catholic bishops are active supporters while we have church members that might be passive. Yeah, that's true. So Simon, as Nona says, if you're typing into the chat, remember to type to all panelists and all attendees. So Eric, are those people you listed? Are they active or are they passive? Because I think the Pope is pretty active actually on climate change. Maybe that's what you mean. So Eric, yeah, the missing people are BPX on mobile and CEOs. So I think that we would put those in our active opposition category. And it's kind of widely kind of accepted that we don't really bother with them, unless the only real way to move them from an active opposition to maybe a passive opposition is usually through legal means, right, through suing them, that kind of thing. That's not really something that we can do with this kind of climate strike tactic. Okay, reaching student circles through our student children. Yeah, active masters of strategic leadership awards towards sustainability alumni, passive people who believe in science. Yeah, my family. Yeah, that's a good one. So Simon said, poor farmers that depend on fertilizer subsidies are passive, or those that are practicing organic agriculture are active. And that can change, right? Okay. So, okay, great. So I think that this is that you're getting the idea here. So to summarize, your passive supporters, these are our target to mobilize. So we're going to get them involved, right? So when it comes to recruitment, many of us kind of visualize people as individuals. We think that there's kind of a scattering of individual people out there that we need to recruit. So that's what you're seeing here on the left. But the reality really is different as we've already talked about, we're all part of many different local communities. And social circles may be organized as formal or informal groups like the communities we listed earlier. And actually one of the main reasons a person will join a group or get involved in any kind of activity is usually because someone they know has personally invited them. So the quickest way to recruit people is to ask people in your own communities. So your friends and your family. So these are the people most likely to say yes to you. But a group stops growing when it reaches its sort of maximum potential of people from its members' initial social circle. So if we continue to reach out within that circle, it may not bring in many more people. So this means that your group has a maximum limit. So instead of that, the trick is really to look outside of our social circles to find people who are connected with other circles. So applying this to our spectrum of allies exercise earlier, you're going to be reaching out and finding those people in other circles who might be passive supporters right now. Or finding groups of people who are passive supporters. So this means our priorities reaching out to people who are outside of our own circles who are different from us, which might feel uncomfortable sometimes, but this requires stepping outside of our comfort zones. So this way, you can actually end up involving many different groups and communities, and you don't have to do all the work of recruiting every single person in each group. And there are a few different ways of doing this, and mostly they're about connecting and talking to people. So it's about kind of showing up at the events and meetings of people outside of your circle. And this is a great chance to meet others to see how they work, to find out where their values overlap with your campaign. Another way, and this is what we talk about in the escalation webinar, is to diversify the roles and risk levels in your event. So if you're asking everybody to do the same thing and it's not working, then it's time to adapt. Also notice when other groups show interest in your movement and follow up with them. So the really simple but highly effective way of getting new people on board is talking to them, and specifically by giving them your one-on-one attention. So the key people that you're identifying by inviting them to have a one-on-one, and we're going to talk a little bit about that now. What it's like to build a meaningful relationship and how that can help us to build the power of our movement. So apologies for the slightly creepy graphic, I didn't choose it. But this is to demonstrate having a one-on-one conversation with somebody in this kind of funny gesture way. So reach out to leaders from other movements and groups and meet with different people, not just to recruit them, right, but to learn from them. What are their values? What interests them? What strategies recruit people like them? So the four C's is a kind of simple concept to give an effective structure to your discussions with these people. The idea is that you find 30 minutes to sit down and meet with a person. So first you connect on personal things, you find out how they are. And then you give the context. So you say, listen, I'm working on this thing, the global climate strike. Let them know the context, what we want to achieve, articulate your goals that maybe if you've done the goals and strategy training, let them know what are your goals. Then you need to give them a legitimate choice, okay? You need to tell them what I'd like you to do is this, yes or no, okay? And give them the opportunity to say yes or no. And then you confirm the commitment and this is where you give the sort of next steps, you give the details. So this is obviously incredibly simple. It might even seem intuitive to many people, but it is a really effective step-by-step process. We also want to sort of flag that a definite no is actually better than a maybe yes. And the idea here is that if someone seems really half-hearted, you should offer them the opportunity to say no rather than keep pushing if they're not really into it. We want to find people who can commit now and then we can come back to these other people later, right? So this is a better strategy than just kind of like keep pushing and pushing and pushing someone. You want a team of really committed, enthusiastic people. And also a note here, when we're reaching out to activists from marginalized communities, we need to remember that we may have identified them as a passive supporter of the climate strikes, but they're actually active supporters of other causes, right? And they may have been part of a movement for a long time, often taking radical action in very difficult circumstances. So we're approaching these people from a place of mutual learning and respect. It's not just about making space for them in our movement, actually. If they say no this time, that's okay. Remember, we're trying to build long-term alliances, not just for this climate strike. So I'm going to give you a couple of minutes for this question again. Now, thinking about what we've talked about so far about the passive supporters that we've identified, the communities that we've identified, I want you to write down on your sheet of paper, write down on your sheet of paper who are going to be your next three one-on-ones. So which individuals, or maybe which organizations that you want to find somebody to talk with from, who are going to be your next three one-on-ones? I'll give you a bit of time to think about that, and if you finish early again, you can type in the chat. Or raise your hand. Okay, Eric, would you like to come up mute and tell us who are your three people? No, no, could you unmute Eric? Oh yeah. Yes. Hi Eric. Hi Lucy and all the attendees. I want to talk to the reader of the community, so that you can mobilize the appropriation and introduce the poll, for those who want to join and those who don't want. Okay. Yeah, that's it. Great, thank you Eric. So you're going to talk to like the leader of the community, so that I think that's, yeah, that's a great person to identify, I think. Someone who's got quite a big amount of reach, maybe a lot of influence. Yeah, because in our community, it's a bit decentralized. Yeah. So yeah, it moves up, down, like. Okay. She does it. Okay, great. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, thank you. Cheers. So yeah, so I think that Eric's got the right idea. So we're looking for people who maybe, you know, who might be a leader within that community. We're going to talk about leaders in a minute actually, and leadership structures, but that you might be able to identify like a key person within that community who might be the best person. Zoe, do you want to come off mute? Nona, could you take Zoe off mute? Thank you. Hi Zoe. Hi. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Yes. So the person that I've thought of is we've got a local community Facebook page, which is just everything to do with the suburb where I live. I was thinking of talking to the admin of that community so that then he can help mobilize the whole of the Facebook community in the local area. I think that's a great idea. So this is this is kind of like a Facebook community for like for local people, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it just, yeah, it's a Facebook group, but just for our local, you know, a mile or something like that. I think that's a fab idea. I think definitely I know that like, you know, we're talking about face to face one on once, but we know that also, you know, the digital world overlaps so much with, you know, the real world, obviously. And actually, like these Facebook groups, especially if it's a Facebook group that is that is active. That is locally kind of centered. Yeah. And also can put on events and things like that. I think it's a really great idea. Cool. Thank you Zoe. No worries. And I think we had, is it gear who had your hand raised? You want to share as well here? You might need to unmute yourself. Hi. My city, Baguio city in the Philippines is very, very aware of climate change and environment disasters because we are a very disaster prone area with the frequency of our storms and rains. Right now we have many groups, even our schools are very aware about, about activities on climate change and ecology. So we are now thinking of talking to our city council. Okay. Okay. And yes, and since we have a new mayor after 30 years, which imagine, and he is very open to listening to new ideas, we are aiming to talk to him about the coming climate strike. That's fantastic. That's really great news that you have a new mayor that's actually a receptive and open kind of person. So I think that's a fantastic idea. Yeah, so I think, I think you're right when we talk about, you know, the kind of number of passive supporters or active supporters globally. It's very different from country to country, right? And so we're like the Philippines that just has been facing typhoon after typhoon with increasing intensity, people are more than aware that climate change is real, right? So I think this is, I think that's a really great idea to reach out to this new mayor and start that relationship now because it might be a fruitful one for the future as well. Cool. It comes in family. So thank you. Cool. Thank you. So thank you for sharing your, your one on ones. And I really, I really hope that you do carry out those one on ones. And Simon says I'll target the community leaders of those living in areas affected by the smoke that comes from the coal power plant. Good idea. I think, yeah, because these people will know these effects better than anybody. So in order to build and grow then, so many movements look at this kind of swarm theory of structuring a social movement. And I wonder if, no, no, if you would be able to paste in there's a link in the agenda, I wonder if you could paste into the chat, because we're not going to have time really to go into this in detail, but I want to make sure that you're able to get to the resources that you need. So this is, this is from the kind of momentum trainings, this idea of the swarm theory of movement, and it's about structuring your movement in a way that maximizes the autonomy and creativity of its members. So making sure that, you know, the key principle with any mobilization moment or tactic is we're not trying to make everybody do the same thing, everybody say the same thing. It's far too prescriptive and just isn't the way to include or empower people, because we're trying to build a movement where people are able to be creative and autonomous to use their own unique skills, the unique power and experiences to strengthen and diversify our movement. And in order to build and grow many movements look to the snowflake leadership model, right. So in, in some progressive circles the word leadership is not a very welcome one, right, but here we're not talking about having one great leader who we all follow. It's about developing leaders who support each other and are accountable to their communities, because no one person can do everything you're not going to be able to do everything here. We need to have a strong movement and enable empowered leaders from all sorts of different communities. And this is about sustaining the movement more than anything and making sure everybody is cared for and is healthy and can do this for the long run. So the idea about having a role is that, you know, we've got sort of three basic rules in order to make this kind of movement work. Firstly, everybody has a role and you have to hold your role and the idea is we don't have anybody telling you what to do. You know your role and you know what needs to happen. So secondly, your role is flexible. Okay, so if you can't do your role for any reason, it should be okay. We just need to make sure your role gets covered that you can pass it on. And thirdly, roles are about support. So in our community, we say that support flows outwards. So the more leadership you have, the more support you're offering in this form. So now we're going to take our learnings from this training and we're going to put them into practice. So let's see. So what we're asking is for you to kind of set a participation goal for your climate strikes event. So we've looked at kind of, you know, the 3.5%, we've looked at what that means in our different communities. We want to be ambitious, right? So set that participation goal for your slight climate strikes event. And then what we often do when we set a goal for participation is we then set the goal and then we double it. Right, so we really challenge ourselves. So how many people will you want to attend using the learnings from this webinar? How are you going to get there? The second thing we'd like you to do is to reach out to those three one-on-one people that you might have identified. And we want you to report back. So we have our Facebook group, which many of you are already a part of. Some of you may not be. So click on the link that Nona has just put into the chat. That's the link to the Facebook group. And just request to join and I'll approve you straight away after this webinar. And it's really a place for us to kind of support each other to write these reflections and to share what we're finding a challenge and maybe to get advice from each other. So thank you, Nona, for putting those two links in there. The link above is a YouTube video, which is about this kind of idea of swarm, the swarm theory of movement building, if you're interested. So to make sure you have the support you need to hear some resources. So the first is the global climate strike.net website, which I think most of you are probably familiar with by this point.  So you can you can get to the handbook here is completely free. It's available as an ebook as a PDF, which you can download. So so make sure that you download that because it's actually really specifically uniquely kind of relevant to this moment now and the climate strikes. So again, some more resources are available for you at that trainings dot 350.org. And don't worry, we're going to send an email after this call where I'm going to put in all the all of these links so that you have them in one place. It's going to be reminding you to register for the other topics in the series if you haven't already taken them. It's going to remind you of the Facebook link. And so so don't worry if you don't catch them now and another resource is the momentum community which has a lot of resources on movement building and how to grow your movement. So it's got a bunch of other webinars which have been recorded so they've already been carried out so you can watch them at any time you like and it's all for free. So I'd really really recommend them. I think the swarm videos are the ones which I would really recommend here. So after this webinar there'll also be a survey that's going to pop up on your screen. It's optional of course but it's going to help us to monitor our progress in building a powerful diverse movement. So you can indicate if you've already completed the webinar that the survey you don't have to do it twice. And of course if you need any help you can reach out in the Facebook group. You can also email me here at lucy.karina at 350.org. And if you can't remember that then just help at 350.org and you'll get through to Nona who will forward your message on to me. So I wonder if we have any questions. We have a few minutes for some questions that you might have. You can either type them into the chat box or you can type them into the Q&A box or you can raise your hand and you can ask it live and I'll do my best to answer. Okay so we have Eric first of all Eric would you like to unmute yourself. I wanted to ask a simple question. This movement is for the long term right? And do we have supporters? So this movement is for the long term is that your question? It's for the long term and you have supporters. Those who support like on the website you find like donates section where people donate like things to organize these webinars. And I wanted to know the business like of those people who support us and if like they really benefit from what we do like in the short term like in the market quarters like you give things like to get their profit how do they benefit from in the short term. I think that's a really good question. So this obviously these trainings they're designed to first of all I think the priority is to set you up for this kind of short term for the climate strikes because obviously I think that we all know that we want to be building a sustainable long term movement that's building momentum. But we have kind of right on the horizon right now we have a big mobilization moment so it's kind of all hands on deck let's get let's get prepared for that right. However, I know I know that like it's a it's a much longer process we're not going to we're not going to save the climate with this just one climate strike so yeah we are looking at the long term. And actually, after the climate strikes what we're going to be doing is we're going to also be holding and kind of pivoting webinars. So, so we're going to be helping to train you about kind of what's next, how do we sustain those local movements that we've worked hard to build. And how do we start developing sort of alliances that are going to work on the on the long term, and how are we looking to sort of the next key moments right. So that's that's kind of a long term thing in terms of the supporters. And so a lot of the people supporting on the website so let me just let me just go to that. They're all most of them are NGOs so their charities. So a lot of them are funded by donors. And so in terms of people sort of profiting from from this movement it's it's it's more about you know, these these are these are charitable organizations that run on donations basically. I mean them. I mean the vast majority of these I can't see any that that aren't some of them are membership organizations so trade unions. So, in general, none of them are going to be profiting directly from from what's happening none of them are going to be earning any income from this it's what they do and and that's what they what that's what they're funded to do. So thank you. Thank you Eric for your question. I wonder if there's any other questions at all. Let me just check. Okay, so Yara some advice. My country does not emit huge amounts of greenhouse gases because it's a small non industrial country. When I tell people about the climate strike they might not relate because our country barely contributes to the issue. What do you think I can do to convince them of course, other than this is a global issue will will be impacted by it's do not rather than later. I think this is a really good question because there's probably a few people on this call and taking part in the strikes who are going to feel this way. And I've worked with. I wonder if you could tell me Yara what is what country are you from. You say it's Lebanon. And yeah, because I've I've worked with countries in this in this position when they you know I worked a lot with some countries in the Middle East on on climate justice and energy. And you know they said something you know like these kind of demands they don't mean anything you know lowering our GHD lowering our emissions like keeping it in the ground it doesn't really mean a lot to us because the you know a lot of people in our country don't have enough energy right. So when we talk about climate justice it really is about energy justice as well it's making sure that people have access to energy 100% access to energy but energy that is safe and energy that's resilient. So so this is really a part of the narrative so I think that maybe maybe you need to sort of maybe post this onto the Facebook group I think. And I think certainly yet the priorities might be as Zoe said the priorities for your communities might actually be the impacts, the, you know, the soaring temperatures. And it might be accessing energy and might be that you know look if we switch to renewables to small scale, locally appropriate climate resilient renewables, which a community owned. We're going to have energy sovereignty. We're going to be resilient against the effects of climate change and everybody's going to have energy right. So kind of putting forward sort of the other the other kind of benefits of taking action on climate. And because I think that there are many, there are many benefits to actually taking action is not all about averting apocalypse. A lot of it's about transforming our society to the society that we need. I don't know if that helps at all but I think that maybe also if you if you post this question maybe in the Facebook group. And there might be a lot of people who are in the same position as you right who need to know how to convince people in your particular context. So people might have some more advice. Cool. Thanks, yeah. We don't have any time now for any more questions, but I want to thank you all. It's been quite a small group but you've all been really sort of participatory, really super engaged. So I want to thank you very much and I hope that we can continue some of these discussions in the Facebook group. And if you haven't taken the other webinars, the other webinar topics then do sign yourself up and I'll be really pleased to see you there. So thanks very much everybody. See you all soon.


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Hello, everyone, and welcome. This is Melissa Armo with the Stock Swoosh, and I'm doing a first class of the year special. This is for the Golden Gap course, which is my main class, which is my bread and butter that I teach once a month, where you will learn everything you need to know about how to rate bearish gaps, how to take the entries, how to do the exits, and of course, that's what you wanna know. That's what you want to do the trades. We're doing the trades fast in the morning, the day trades, and then also we do puts. We had some really good puts, actually, to start out the year in not only VA, but Tesla, and it's really been an incredible start to the year. You can't really plan when you get these fabulous gaps. That's why you have to be active in the trading room every single day, actively trading to wait for the opportunity and then pounce on it when you get it. You can also watch me on TV, and I appear on pretty much every single channel talking about the stock market and talking about where we're going into earning season, which started a week ago. If you'd like to sign up for the class, you can email me at melissa at thestockswish.com. You can also call me at 929-3200 Gap. You can follow me on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or Skype, and if you call me, you can leave me a message.  If you have questions about the class, email me. I will email you back. I'm a busy person, but I try to get back to people within 24 hours. If you were trading last year and you made money, that's fabulous. You should set goals for yourself this year to make more. If you traded last year and you lost money, then you don't wanna do that this year. You wanna get off from the right foot, you wanna have a great year trading, and that means you may have to change what you're doing and you definitely have to change what you're doing if you were losing. Again, it's important to have a strategy to trade. If you don't have any strategy that you're following at all, then that is number one. Find a strategy, then you gotta find a strategy that has consistent winnings. So you gotta make up your mind, it's up to you.  You have to decide what you wanna do and where you wanna be 12 months from now. Come January 18th, 2025. Can you believe that 2025? That's a great number actually. But January 18th, 2025, are you gonna be in a better financial spot? Are you gonna have earned more money trading in the next 12 months than you did in the last 12 months? So you got to make a decision and again, how are you gonna make it happen and what are you gonna do? I'm planning to hear the results for last year. This was in the day trade room, the live trading room. These were all trades on margin. They were mostly shorts. $569,970 was the results for last year in the room and then I have the options results in here. Again, winners and losers. This was a mix of puts and calls although we mostly do short like I said. 2,122,895 was the results and I risked more of my options. That's a subject for another lecture but I'm holding overnight in the options most of the time unless they get a really big move of the day. And so I am risking more in my options trades. So far a year to date I don't have today. We had two trades today and they both worked but so far just through the 16th, 35,207 in the live room. We're off to a great start for this year and then again, I don't have a couple trades in here that were winners that I booked as well. Year to date, 2024, 250,445. Again, just an incredible start to this year all around options and day trades. So 285,652 again, this is not updated through today but this was through the other day and we were not even at the end of the month. So you can start trading before the class. Again, the class is in a week but you can get in and start trading on Friday or Monday. This special and running is going on only through Sunday though, the 21st. So you would need to sign up by Sunday but you can start to get our trades tomorrow. This was last week, this was a BA short. We've done a couple of shorts in this. Entry was 225,90, stock was 227,50. Again, you can set your risk. You could have taken less risk than I did or more. 2000 shares, this was a short on margin, risk was 3,200, eggs was 223,25, profit was $5,300. Again, this is a one minute chart. You will learn how to take these trades at a one minute. I call these trades in the live room and I just wanna show you here. We got in, got out, this was a nice move and a drop. And again, you can see here how it kept going and you could have done a put in this. We did do puts in this too but if you don't wanna do trades on margin, when I call the margin trade in the live room, you could buy a put. Now I happen to have called puts in this too but I'm just saying that's another idea if you wanna do options as day trades with the Friday expiration because if you only have an options account that's another idea for you. Here was the daily, that was the 11th. Here we are. So again, this was Thursday, then this was Friday, this was Monday. I mean, this has just had an incredible, incredible, incredible move to the downside since the start of the year. And this of course was a great start to our beginning of January, 2024. There were other trades I called in this actually some were at larger profits than this crazy as it sounds. This was really the beginning of the move. We did the short, we did the put on Wednesday the 3rd. I called the 245 BA puts, it expired on the 12th. The cost was very, very reasonable for a stock at this price point, $3. Again, we weren't in early, you could have held this. This was not even the best things that you could have had in this but I think it made sense to get out of it here. Your goal should be to take the trade and make money and get the biggest move you can in it with momentum and try to capture 80% or more of the move. It's gonna be very difficult for you to capture 100% of the move in anything. If you're looking for a perfect exit, you're nine times out of 10, you're gonna give money back. Look for the perfect pick, get the direction right. Look for the perfect entry and then do the best you can with the exit. Make sense, you know what I mean? It doesn't make sense to hold everything to a piggy target. This was not a piggy target. This was a 533% return investment that you could have held longer and actually I'm just gonna go back and show you here. When we did this here on the third, the expiration was here. And again, look what this did. This actually broke to 20. This was more than $25 for the strike if you held it through the last day. I don't think that made sense to do it but you could have done it. I know there were people that did do it. If you did one contract, it would have crossed $300, four contracts or a smaller beginner risk, 1,200 risk, you could have made $6,400. You could have made more, you could have made this to the last day. But again, I don't think that that is the conservative way to trade. But you could have got out of half. It was a fabulous trade, $48,000 profit with a $9,000 risk. So if you would like to sign up for my Golden Gap course and learn how I make these picks so you can do it yourself, plus get the picks from me along the way, you will learn the class of full two-day course in how to strategically find pick and play stocks at our professional bearish gaps. Again, the class is online. You can be anywhere in the world and take it. Don't wait until the last minute to sign up. The first class of the year special for 2024 is going on through Sunday the 21st. And if you sign up by then, you will get all of these subscriptions free to the end of this calendar year. So it's a great offer and it's a great deal. This will help you follow me, get all my trade calls on the options newsletter and in the room, so that you can sign up for my Golden Gap course and learn how to make this pick and play stocks at our professional bearish gaps. So I hope that you guys have a great day. The options newsletter and in the room to the end of the year, which again should help you not only do the trades, but also learn as you go. And that's the point. You've got to learn it to do it. You really got to. And I'm telling you, it helps you also take more risk if you ever want to get to the point where you're risking larger amounts of money. So again, the cost of the class is $69.99. Email me if you want to sign up with sign up forms and you can start trading with us this week. Thanks everybody and have a great day.


Hi everyone, Joe for jaspyscasewrakes.com coming at you with 2019-2020 Panini Donner's Optic Basketball T-Mall China edition China exclusive a T-Mall. It's like the big e-commerce site in China. Panini did a special thing for them and the gold waves out of those are exclusive to this set You've been doing really well All right. Also, there's an early bird special first 20 spots sold Right here. There you go in green have a chance at an extra spot right here Early the early bird catches the worm So let's put them in a separate dice roll new dice roll two and a two for the hard way one two Three and good luck. The early bird is gonna be Scott Blackwell after four times you are the early bird that catches the worm There you are right there There you go. Thanks Scott for being an early bird All right And now let's do the randomizer for names and teams six and a two eight times one two three four five six seven and Eighth and final time after eight. We've got Chad at Lewandowski Down to Scott pelzer once again eight times for the teams one two And eighth and final time After eight times we've got the bulls down to the Nets Yeah, I saw that seeding K We should be able to do that second half absolute tonight if the people want it's just that one blaster. That's it Just one filler break All right Chad with the bulls Scott with the Sixers John Samuelson with the Thunder Mike with the Heat Jeremy with the Gris Courtney with the Pistons Brianna with the Rockets Daniel with the Knicks Greg Pelicans Matthew Timberwolves Jazz Blazers Scott with your early bird spot Dallas Mavericks I saw some when Nick was breaking this last night. I was in the chat. I was looking up gold waves, right? Lucidodger gold waves. I feel like I saw an insert Lucidodger gold would go for like 50 or 60 bucks like a my house Lucidodger base virgins might go for 100 Anyway, some great value there even for second-year players Brianna with the Cavs Oliver with the Hornet or with the Celtic Scott has the Hornets Zach with the clip show James with the Raptors Jeremy 33 Same with the honest and gold wave. Honest is Jeremy Jeremy Agno with the King Scott You got my Lakers Greg with the Suns Chris with the Spurs Peter with the Hawks Matthew with the Nuggets Pacers for Jeremy Agno Jeremy 33 with the Magic Jarell with the Warriors Matthew with the Wizards and Scott with the next that I missed the What the great? Oh, yeah, Jeremy Agno. You have the Gris right up there, too So there you have it. Let's alphabetize by team. Let's get it all on one screen alphabetized by team and While you're considering trades, let's pop open this fresh case right here There you go the team all kind of heavy just like that Like the regular version checklist is exactly the same except there's no guaranteed auto a box That's different and then of course the red wave and the gold wave in these China sets That's also the difference right there as well. Otherwise Let's actually this right here, let's Create stacks of three so I'll set a stack of three right over you see how the top camera the other boxes That's a stack of three Let's put a stack of three right here as well So I'm gonna select a die. Let's select that one We'll go one two three four and if I roll a five or a six. We'll just roll again Three one two three easy. All right, so we'll put some squiggly marks right there just so you know That they're all from the same case probably end up just grabbing three random boxes They won't be in the same stacks Little extra randomizing there and I posted another three boxer So we can probably run another one of these back tonight. These are pretty popular Any trades? Not even a whisper of a trade usually someone someone puts throw something out there, but but crickets. All right, so let's roll TWC trade window close All right, good luck everybody. All right, make sure you're watching live everybody if you're lagging you might hear this a few minutes later But just make sure you're watching live. You're at the most current point of the stream always good to check that Every once in a while. All right, there you go three box team all random team nine on the 18th. Happy Saturday, everybody Thanks for thanks for spending a bit of your Saturday night with Jaspy's case breaks calm All right, so there's the cover right there Red wave and gold wave of what we're looking for report sell on the Mets Sorry, I know we're in a basketball break, but I've got Yankees Mets on which I think already happened But this is a replay. Where's this life? Has anyone? Purchased a carb. I don't know what they're whether they're gonna do in Orlando for basketball I know baseball. I know the Dodgers and looks like the Mets too They're you're able to purchase Through your team website a cardboard cutout I think some money goes to charity and then like and they'll print a cardboard cutout for you And they'll put it in the stands a nice hit from Clint Frazier Rebel says Royals had theirs and 500 cuts for 40 bucks each and they let season tickets hold to get first head majority We're gone before the public gets them. Oh, I think the idea I looked for the Dodgers first of all I think they were like a hundred and fifty bucks What a lot of a lot of people to pay I guess And Then there's like another version that was 50 bucks but it was just too It was too expensive. I think it's sold out now. I Gotta check again But but yeah, I was I was that's exactly what I was thinking rebel. I was I was thinking I should get Bubba as the pug as a As a something because Bubba will never be able to go to a baseball game Bubba the pug will never be able to go to a baseball game and apparently I need more top loaders once or twice a year the Dodgers do have a Once or twice a year the Dodgers do have a bring your dog to the park kind of game But from what I've heard from locals. It's a real s-show It's just just a ton of dogs. So it's It's cool, but like it's also kind of an s-show and You know A lot of small dogs yapping at each other and whatnot Bubba's not a yapper. He's he's pretty well-behaved But I don't know if you had friends around Jeremy Agnew with the Grizzlies you get that base job Marant and Pelicans Greg gets the the base Zion. That's a good start and Courtney for some reason the break gods have given her Pistons three times in a row in these team all breaks. Oh Well, we better find you a better find you a gold wave Seiku Damboya, then there's Terence Manhollow For your troubles I'll have to find a Oh lukadange red wave nice Scott Blackwell early bird spot. There's Kendrick Nunn. No name red wave Darius Garland calves that'll be for Brianna I know we should I should just use it as a business expense, right Kyle? Just be like Just me and a jazzy t-shirt or something like that Russell Westbrook red wave And Isaiah Thomas. I think that's red wave as well It's for Courtney and the pistons the Westbrook will go to the Rockets. That will be Brianna Chats is in Fenway. You can donate 500 bucks and get it cut out on the monster And you get a hit with a socks home run you enter into a raffle the winter gets these tickets in the wow in the monster for a year That's pretty cool So if you're are you saying if your cardboard cutout gets hit by a red socks home run you're entered into a raffle. That's a pretty good That's a pretty fun promo Yeah, it'll be The marketing teams are definitely Definitely making their money For their ball clubs this year Because they're they're having to come up with They got to come up with all sorts of like different things, you know to To get fans involved in the game and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, someone mentioned that earlier mike tower I think his his first at bat louise roberts first at bat was a home run Sorry, I know it's a basketball break, but Baseball starting first. I got it on tv. So now it's on my brain But yeah, I think he had one in his first ab louise robert and then The next one Penini does do baseball. We got absolute baseball in the shot folks All we got to do is knock out that select blaster break and then we can pop open some Penini absolute baseball Find some try to find some louise roberts Among others I can't believe it's actually happening sports in general Brad, yeah, what is your stadium doing? His Mariners have one where 30 bucks and your ball hits your cutout. They send you the ball That's pretty cool, too Is Are the cutouts randomly placed? Is there like a they they use ram dot org? Like how do I get a cutout behind the dugout? I saw that highlight. I saw one where yeah where louise robert Took a big cut hit the ball It was going out, but he had he had spun around and Fell down tumbled onto the ground and then it was gone That's gotta be random right because it seemed like it was a fixed price But I don't know how they randomized it. That's a good idea I don't know why they they must maybe they'll do that for the playoffs or something like that if you could if you could buy A seat and someone just sets up a gopro right on the seat and just broadcast the game you can watch the game that way That would be awesome. Oh gold wave coming up behind kevin love. No behind jared culver Darius garland gold wave Nice one for brianna my house zion wiliamson Just a regular one, but And lebron james as well Now these base ones will go for a decent amount as far as veteran base cards go, but Like the gold wave lebron look what look at what that goes zion for greg That kobe right insert will definitely ship And we've got ruddy gay Spurs red wave And a jackson haze Rated rookie red wave for the pelicans that'll be for greg and the pelz Who's got ruddy gay that will be for? Chris box and we got paul george red wave for the clippers That'll be for zack win. I think the same idea would work for basketball to any sport I mean Listen, I don't know you can't really like no one you're not going to be able to sit court side, right? On basketball game I don't know if I don't know how many of us have court side money, right? Especially if you live in los angeles, but imagine if you could pay like a hundred bucks And have a gopro sit on like A court side seat I'd buy that there's marcus smart red wave because you could have like You could have like a dozen people like on that stream, right? You can even sell for a dollar have a thousand people per seat on that stream And sell it for a dollar a stream, you know a dollar a seat Todd what's going on? It's marcus smart Last box got hip parade coming up after this man. I think one more thing hockey And then we'll see what else we can get into tonight or if that's it for the night. I don't know we'll go through orders We are next couple breaks Probably take us pretty close to the end of the evening. So that'll determine if we keep going with uh with nick jaspy or if If everybody's had enough for the evening we had a pretty we had a great day though And we were all we were here late last night. So A lot of jaspy's in two over two nights But I mean there's got to be some interesting revenues, but I wonder if there's like If there's like broadcasting right issues. I'm sure there is I'm sure there's some sort of Broadcasting right issues where you can't stream this or that So it would have it would have to be something actually now that I think about it would have to be something The networks would sell something like that. I don't know the networks would have to work out a deal with the teams Networks will probably get a bit of that revenues, but I guess what what it would Turn out to be But I think I thought I thought mba had some sort of like virtual Thing happening where you can like wear the goggles the virtual thing and then You could sit In a seat. I think they already kind of had that technology. I wonder if they could Kind of expand that all right final team all box. Good luck Remember, we got three more in the store. There's an autograph They're not an autograph guaranteed in the team all edition in every box Not unlike unlike our hobby boxes. They're normal versions the regular the regular versions The team all versions it's like One every once in a while, but that'll go to the hawks Damian Jones auto for peter Isiah thomas And We've got a palgasol gold wave for the trailblazers is matthew shear of Is that a gold wave isiah thomas? Certainly not a red wave. I'm going to call it a gold wave for courtney and the pistons express lane isiah thomas I might be surprised at What that could what that could go for in a secondary market those gold waves are really hot We've got tyler hero red wave for the heat mike fries hollow joel mb segu demboyo rated rookie Calliola nick for the miami heat that'll be for jeremy agno jerald green red wave for the Rockets that'll be for brianna Also in case you're wondering the red and gold not numbered winner stays And this is heat. I feel like we don't see heat lebron a lot winner stays red wave, I guess Lebron james miami heat mike fries And the last red wave is a net a brooklyn net kairi erving boston scott And there you go That is it ladies and gentlemen nice three boxes I don't know. I've got a feeling we can find some monsters in some other boxes tonight. So check it out jaspy's case brakes.com I'm joe. I'll see you next time for the next one. Bye. Bye