Well, hello everyone for this Friday afternoon, I've got Bob Miller and I know if you've been around this page for a while, you've seen, I think we're number five, does that sound right Bob? Number five, yes. Oh my gosh. And one of the reasons is because people love your information, it's a very high level for the average person, but a lot of our clients, patients, fans and of course other doctors are really enjoying the information you bring in today is so relevant and we had a lot of comments already about can't wait, can't wait to see this. So I know we're going to have a lot of listeners and then even more on the recordings. And like I was telling you right before we got on Bob, your YouTube videos and the ones that we do here have been consistently the top performing viewers. So people love your content and I just, I love talking to you. I feel like I've got a friend in you and just, like we said, it's almost like we need to retitle it to nerds talking about EMF or something like that, right? Deaking out, yes. Deaking out, exactly. So I look forward to these as well. So much fun. Really good. It is. It's just like great, great information and great, I think we, we, you know, go back and forth well on the different points. So just a little background. If you haven't been here before, you can find my free blog newsletter, all kinds of free resources at my website, JillKarnahan.com. You can find products at drjilhealth.com. And if you haven't subscribed to the YouTube channel, you definitely want to do that. That way you won't miss any of these videos. They're live here. And then they're reposted on YouTube just a couple days after, and they are there. There's over 50 videos now. So if you want to see, if you like Bob Miller and want to see more, they are all living there on YouTube. And every single one of them is fantastic information and still very relevant. So be sure and go there and see the previous episodes that we've done. Bob Miller, you've heard me, needs no introduction. He's a leader of Tree of Life Health and Neutrogenomic Research. He puts on conferences for practitioners. And just all around just what I love is he's always looking for new things, new ideas, bringing us new information in this realm of epigenetics and genetics research. So without further ado, Bob, thanks for coming on again. And let's dive right into how cell phones and EMF and Wi-Fi might be damaging your health. Absolutely. Well, thank you for this opportunity. Always such fun to be with you. And we geek out together, as we said. You know, one of the things I find fascinating, if someone wants to be entertained or somewhat surprised, go on YouTube sometime and search for 1940s cigarette commercials. And what you will find is that there are commercials with either doctors or someone acting as a doctor saying that doctors are busy and they're stressed and they prefer camel cigarettes. And it shows a physician sitting there puffing on his camel cigarettes. And you can find commercials that recommend that pregnant women should smoke cigarettes to help deal with stress. So back in the 1940s, people just thought smoking cigarettes was pretty cool because it does relax you a little bit and makes you feel a little more calm and it was a social thing at the time. And if anyone would have said that cigarette smoking is harmful, they would have said, well, I've smoked for five years and I'm fine. There's no problem here. Twenty years later, emphysema and lung cancer. And I don't say we know this for sure, but I think there's a very high possibility that we're going to look back on cell phones and Wi-Fi and the chronic EMF that we're exposed to, possibly in the same light. You know, I know probably you and I sometimes talk to people about cell phones and Wi-Fi and they kind of scoff, oh, that can't do anything. I don't feel anything. I hold my cell phone and I'm okay. But what I'm afraid of and as we looked at the literature that we're going to go through today, the long-term effects might be more serious than we ever realized. So we might be having today our 1940s version of cigarettes. So I encourage people to go look at them and they'll be somewhat shocked at what they see. Bob, I want to just mention one thing that really I've been at conferences with environmental health, your conferences, EMF conferences my decades now. But one thing that really struck me probably four or five years ago was one of the EMF experts presented a woman who had and this is published in the literature. This is not just like a story from a doctor who put her cell phone in her bra for many years and she developed a tumor and they didn't think a lot of it. But then when they looked at the radio graph, it really was the outline of her cell phone and the exact placement where she had placed it in her bra to carry that and they actually later wrote up the evidence and probably as we'll learn today, she had some genetic polymorphisms that made her more susceptible because obviously that doesn't happen to everyone. But it was a case study of a clinically relevant EMF long-term exposure in breast cancer. And so, and again, there's been lots of brain tumors due to the changes in glucose metabolism with being right by your head because part of the EMF is the distance is very, very relevant. So that's why if you are taking on your cell phone speaker or the air pods where you don't have the radiation from the Wi-Fi and the Bluetooth are going to be more protective. So just a little backstory, I remember seeing that story of the breast and being so profoundly like, wow, I think it was undeniable the evidence in that case study of the connection in that particular woman. Sure. And what are guys doing, putting in their pockets, six inches from their prostate. And there's probably multiple factors involved with this, but sperm rates have dropped 53% since 1973. And we don't have to get down to zero until we're infertile. And I think some day we're going to look back and say, what were we thinking, putting radio transmitters in our heads, you know, and I know it's convenient and all, but I think some day we're going to look back and say, oops, to them. All right, well, let's dig in here. Let's do a screen share. And as you know, for people who have seen us before, what we always do is we just don't give opinions. We bring up peer reviewed studies. And so our subject is how cell phones and Wi-Fi may be harming your health. And of course, all of this is for educational informational. We're not diagnosing or treating any disease. I call this the 3D chess game played under water. It's complex. You know, sometimes people are looking for simple answers. You know, what is the SNP? What is the thing? But typically it is multiple factors going together. So here we have our scuba divers totally perplexed over this 3D chess game. And I believe that's what we have going on multiple factors. Now, tonight what we're going to be talking about is EMF and antioxidant defense system. Now, let's talk a little bit about free radicals and antioxidants.   I mean, this goes back to fifth or sixth grade science. That needs to be balanced.  Antioxidants have a spare electron and they neutralize that. That's called an antioxidant. And you know, the traditional naturopathic philosophy that went way back was that excess inflammation or excess free radicals was the primary consideration in many of the problems we're having. And when you look at most of the diseases we're seeing today, especially some of those that we haven't seen before, clearly free radical damage is a factor. So it really comes down to are you producing more free radicals than you are antioxidants? Now, there is three major antioxidants. One is called glutathione. And we'll dig into that a little bit more later. But it's the master antioxidant. And glutathione does a couple of things. It takes out toxins like mold and other things through glutathione conjugation. It is also involved with something called glutathione peroxidase, the clear hydrogen peroxide. And it goes through a process of being made, recycled, used. And if that gets disrupted, it's not going to be working very well. So when we talk about mold, you know, sometimes people live in a house and one person is terribly impacted by the mold and the other one says, what mold? I don't think there's any mold in here. You must be imagining this. Well, the difference between them may be that the one person had other things that made them more toxic or they may have genetic predisposition that they don't clear that mold as well and more impacted. I just spoke to a lady just this week, if she walks down the sidewalk and someone has their dryer running and the fumes from the dryer comes out, it makes her sick. That's how difficult a time she has with detoxification. Superoxide dismutase. That's another antioxidant that neutralizes the superoxide free radical. And then there's a third antioxidant called catalase. And that has many functions in the body. But for our purposes today, we're going to be talking about how it clears something called hydrogen peroxide. And one of the ways you can know if you're not clearing your hydrogen peroxide well is if you gray prematurely. And there's other factors as well. But if we don't have enough antioxidants like catalase to clear our hydrogen peroxide, many times we'll gray prematurely. Just right before this, I talked to a gentleman who's had lifelong health problems and I said, when did you start to gray? He said, my mid-twenties. So that's a good indication that you don't have enough clearing of hydrogen peroxide. Now, EMF stands for electromagnetic fields. Now, as you know, when you your electricity, that runs at 60 cycles per second. In other words, it goes one direction and the other direction 60 times per second. And then as you get into, you know, AM and FM radio, cell phones, Wi-Fi, microwaves, all just different frequencies. In other words, the frequency that they're they're going at. So that whole spectrum would be considered electromagnetic fields. Now, three things we're going to be looking at today. One is called the Fenton reaction discovered in 1895 by Dr. Fenton. And what he discovered was that hydrogen peroxide collides with iron to make something called hydroxyl radicals. And we'll show that in a chart. Nitric oxide is very important. It's a Nobel Prize back in the late 1980s. And it's related to circulation, calming down inflammation and many other things. And something can happen called nason coupling, where rather than creating nitric oxide, it creates peroxynitrite. Now, I can't remember if it was our first or second interview, Dr. Jill. I believe it was one of those that we talked about, peroxynitrite. So as you said, some of those interviews are quite still relevant. So if someone would like to learn more, go back to that original interview we did on peroxynitrite. And then the EMF, it also creates something called interleukin-6, IL-6. And that was the last interview we've done. And I just noticed on YouTube, that's one of the most downloaded and viewed. So very honored by that. But I believe that multiple environmental factors are up regulating this cytokine. And again, we're not going to repeat all that data just a little bit. But I'd really encourage people to go back and listen to that interview in IL-6. And then finally, we're going to tie it all together how, when people get genetic mutations, that amplifies the effect. So that's why one person can say they're sensitive to EMF. And the other person says, you must be a little crazy because that couldn't be a problem.  I'm sure you're running into that in your practice as well. People are EMF sensitive and they're ashamed that there must be something that they're imagining. Do you ever run into that, Dr. J? Yeah. And I actually like that you mentioned that because even the topic and the title, it seems like it's like this political thing. It's not, guys. This is real science. This is just legitimate stuff that is happening out there. The difference is that, which is why it seems like maybe pseudoscience, there is, which is why we're going into this today, there is a difference in genetic variation susceptibility. So there are people who are probably minimally affected by EMF. And there's others that are massively affected by EMF. And that's, again, why we're talking about this today and why the science, again, there's good science on this. This is clear, very measurable. This is not anything pseudoscience, but it's variable in this presentation. Absolutely. And sometimes back to smoking, every once in a while, you'll see somebody that lives to 100 years old and they say, what's your secret? Oh, I have a cigar every day. Right. And so there's a person that probably did not have a genetic predisposition to smoking. Somebody else could smoke for 15 years and be having emphysema and lung cancer. So we're each impacted differently. And that's why I think it's so important that we do personalized care, because each person is unique, even in many things. Some people, when we talked about histamine, we talked about how for some people, the fermented foods is just the right thing for them to help their gut. For the next person, fermented foods makes them ill. And we see that time and time again that everyone is unique. So one of my favorite sayings is we've got to get away from the pill for the ill and really start looking at the person individually. All right, let's dig in. Now, again, we go with peer-reviewed studies. We just don't make things up. We don't get things from blogs. So I think most people know that when you see this, all these came from PubMed, where somebody wrote it. There's a lot of scientists involved. Somebody reviews it before it gets published. So here's an article, Effects of Electromagnetic Field Exposure on the Antioxidant Defense System. So again, antioxidants is what neutralizes those free radicals that hurts us. I summarize over here the points of this study, and it's a long study, but it says oxidative stress occurs if the antioxidants defense system, that's your antioxidants, is unable to prevent the harmful effects of free radicals. Several studies have reported that exposure to EMF results in oxidative stress in many tissues of the body. Exposure to EMF is known to increase free radical concentrations. Now, we're going to go a little bit farther here, and it says the cytotoxic effect from EMF derived from peroxidation of the membrane phospholipids. This creates a change in the conductivity of the membrane and loss of the membrane integrity. Final comment in there. Exposure to EMF has been observed to cause increased free radical production in the cellular environment. Now, one of the things we often hear is, you know, people use the argument that we don't get any thermal heating, and if we don't get any heating from it, because it's well known that if you get like next to an FM radio station with 50,000 watts and you're 10 feet away from it, you're going to get a burn. And so the thought has been that if you don't have thermal heating, you're not going to have any problems at all. But here it's saying a significant part of many studies have investigated the non-thermal effects. So if someone tells you if it doesn't heat the tissue, it can't be a problem, that theory may not be correct anymore. Going on further, it says living organisms have antioxidant mechanisms such as glutathione, GSH, glutathione peroxidase, that is how it uses glutathione to clear hydrogen peroxide, catalase and superoxide dismutase to alleviate the damage caused by that ROS, which is reactive oxygen species. Now what we're going to show a little bit later is you can have genetic mutations that you inherit from your parents where you may not make enough glutathione, you may not recycle it, you may not make enough catalase, you may not make enough SOD. These are the people that don't have the antioxidant mechanisms and it's that proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back. It doesn't take much oxidative stress to push them over the edge. So this defense mechanism acts by suppressing or impairing the chain reaction triggered by the reactive oxygen species. Now this is interesting, antioxidant defense mechanisms are impaired by being subjected to an agent that causes overproduction of reactive oxygen species including EMF. So the net result is oxidative stress. So what we see here is that we are making too many free radicals and if we don't have enough antioxidants we're going to have a problem. And I think that holds true not only for EMF but many of the things that we spoke about. In our last interview we talked about IL-6. Multiple things we spoke about that create reactive oxygen species. Now here's a study that says although non-thermal effects do not raise the body temperature sufficiently their effects can still be seen as an increase in free radical production in tissues. I can't tell you how many times I've spoken to folks about well be careful with your cell phones, don't charge it next to your bed. And you know what's really scary is sometimes some teenagers decide they don't want to miss a text message so you put your cell phone under your pillow. Right the brain and that's what I was saying earlier one of the things we know is this affects brain glucose metabolism and this is also in the literature. So the closer if you granted we don't want it in the breast we don't want it near the prostate we don't want any of those things but at least please don't put it right by your head because that I think is the worst of all. One thing Bob is I'm hearing you with the reactive oxygen species we know these are a big deal and just a practical tip I think that's why both you and I are huge fans of the hydrogen tabs and both of us have the hydrogen inhaled that we often use I use almost every day. Would you say that's a real good general way that we can combat reactive oxygen is either hydrogen tablets or inhaled hydrogen? Oh absolutely and we're going to be talking about the Fenton reaction very soon and the Fenton reaction of course is where we make those hydroxyl radicals OH minus OH minus plus H2 equals H2O. Water so yeah water so we can we can take those free radicals and turn them into water and I know a lot of people find that hard to believe it's like I mean I drop this pill in the water and all of a sudden it becomes helpful you know but it does because water of course is H2O drop a pill in or a capsule or tablet it knocks the hydrogen loose as it fizzes and if you drink it quickly you get the hydrogen yeah. So here it says EMFs no matter where they occur are reported to cause a rise in the level of free oxygen free radicals in an experimental environment along your hat in plants and humans. So scary stuff we have no idea what we've done when you think about how quickly we've acclimated ourselves to cell phones and Wi-Fi in our schools we're putting Wi-Fi up in the ceilings and we're putting cell towers on the schools and in churches and many times when when you look at a hotel many times the the cell towers are at the top of the hotel so if you're sitting in that room you're being bombarded with EMF. Now we're going to talk about the Fenton reaction 1895 by Dr. Fenton and when you think about it Dr. Jill isn't it amazing that back in 1895 before we knew these things someone was figuring the Fenton reaction out it's quite astonishing. So this is where we take hydrogen peroxide a product of mitochondrial oxidative respiration yeah and that's the same thing that you put on cuts into a highly toxic hydroxyl free radicals. So studies have suggested that EMF is yet another mechanism through the Fenton reaction creating free radical activity in the cells and when i do consults health consults or when i in my software that i developed that the doctors use one of the first things we look at is there a potential for Fenton reaction and there's a couple patterns that make people more susceptible then we'll talk about that but before we get to Fenton reaction now here's the here's the PubMed articles EMFs have been shown to have the potential to stimulate reactive oxygen species including superoxide via activation of an enzyme called NADPH oxidase. Now i would encourage people to go back and listen to the video we did we spent an hour an hour and a half talking about NADPH oxidase this is an interesting enzyme the short version is when we're faced with a pathogen or something coming into the body that shouldn't be there i mean what a miracle we really are it says hey you don't belong here the Nox enzyme says hey mr iron give me some oxygen something called NADPH give me an electron and i'm going to start shooting some bullets it starts shooting superoxide and hydrogen peroxide it stimulates cytokines mass cells histamine it's going for the kill and if we didn't have that we'd die of infection however it's kind of like a military that protects us from the enemy but we have a real problem if the military starts shooting the citizens it's called autoimmune disease and i'm sure dr jill you are seeing many more children now with autoimmune disease like ulcerative colitis and inflammatory bowel disease than you did when you started practicing i mean this is just skyrocketing epidemic one of the things when statistics is each of these autoimmune disease is in silos so we have the rheumatologist seeing the arthritis we have the neurologist seeing the ms we have the gastroenterologist seeing the Crohn's colitis etc etc and so each of these silos feels like a separate entity it's all the same mechanism and so if we put it all together it's the fourth leading cause of mortality among men and women in the u.s. absolutely i mean autoimmune disease is just skyrocketing so it also activates nitric oxide synthase which combines with superoxide to make peroxanitrite and it decreases the antioxidant activity of superoxide dismutase this sounds like a rather perilous thing to me what do you think dr jill if it does all of those things sounds incredibly dangerous absolutely absolutely one of my favorite drawings i probably refer to this every day so you can see here you have inside the cell you know you'll make some and i'll see if i can draw on here let me get my let me get my drawing tool here okay so inside the cell sometimes an electron flies off and combines with oxygen to make superoxide then superoxide dismutase comes along and makes hydrogen peroxide then if we have adequate catalyst glutathione peroxidase and glutathione that feeds that and we have enough peroxidase and thryodoxin we turn this guy into plain ordinary water but there's a lot that can go wrong here your glutathione can be used up elsewhere you can have genetic mutations that you don't make enough and then you know you and i did another whole webinar on nadph one of my favorite molecules if we don't make enough of this or we have the nadph steel that we explain in those videos we don't recycle these guys the hydrogen peroxide stays high here comes iron and we have hydroxyl radicals quick question about as you're talking about this you talked about in the beginning and we had some questions about this everybody's like oh gray hair how do we fix that and we're saying we know the cause partially we don't necessarily have the cure but i mean if we could reverse this yes but what i'm wondering there is you're talking about that hydrogen peroxide and iron do you think that there's an increased risk of early premature grain in those with hemochromatosis genetics could that be inferred or is that going too far from where you mentioned that well tough to say because i've seen people that have the over absorption of the iron they're making hydroxyl radicals so i mean i'm totally speculating here but i think if this reaction is going on en masse they don't get the grade what i've observed is if you don't have the excess iron and you don't clear the hydrogen peroxide these are the people of gray prematurely got it so it's actually maybe the opposite it's actually the iron is is instigating that reaction to oh yes right then that will go on to combine with inass the nitric oxide version that's more reactive and oh no peroxy nitrite which of course we know is very oxidizing so interestingly one of the first research projects we did we researched those people with chronic lime because as you know some people have lime they didn't even know they had it others you know one dose of antibiotics takes care of them others you know they're sick for years can't seem to get over it we studied those people and interestingly they had a five-time higher probability of having the gene that would cause them to absorb more iron and we presented that at Helsinki Finland in 2016 and very honored that we got the research award for for my lads at the international conference well now what are some of the things that can cause this to happen okay there is a gene mutation called hfe and when this is mutated in other words when you get a genetic polymorphism from your parent your potential for increased iron absorption very very common among the english the irish some germans and particularly the ashkenazi jews now what's interesting during times of famine this was actually to your benefit so particularly in ireland during the times of potato famine the women who had this genetic mutation were the ones that were healthy enough to have the babies so it was an adaptive mutation back then very interesting bob because i have one copy of that one so maybe you have some english irish roots there my friend so all right slc 41 i am really intrigued by this one this is the only iron exporter and generally when i see a lot of mutations in here these people many times have massive inflammation and an interesting things happen we say to them well you know you've got the gene that can cause the extra absorption of the iron and they'll tell me well that can't be right i've been told i'm anemic my whole life so when the iron gets stuck in the cell and makes inflammation and blood levels can actually be normal to low and these are the people if they take iron they feel horrible you know so some well-meaning health professionals as your irons low take iron as like wow that just threw me for a loop um seruroplasm of course is needed for the proper use of iron so if we don't have enough of that the iron can become a free radical transfer in factor and transfer in factor two over absorption of iron and then as we said if you have genetic mutations in catalase superoxide dismutase keep in mind superoxide is the free radical superoxide dismutase is the antioxidant glutathione peroxidase clears the hydrogen peroxide txn and prdx they clear hydrogen peroxide and peroxynitrite we also need vitamin a for the proper use of of iron there's an enzyme called bcm-01 that converts beta carotene to vitamin a mutations here will not allow that to work as well and i don't know if you ever seen someone who wanted to become a health nut they drank lots of carrot juice and turned orange yes because they didn't convert their beta carotene to vitamin a g6pd me1 they create that nadph which recycles the anoxidates so you can see here when people are saying well what's the gene involved it's like well we don't have one of those it can be any one of these or any combination just bob miller observing hfe and slc 48 one together is a problem g6pd and glutathione together is a problem and for the more you have the more it piles up on you now let's look at this that was the fenton reaction so maybe let me go back to this chart so my whole point here is if the emf makes more superoxide then you're going to have more hydrogen peroxide and the more trouble you have over here combined with iron the more likely you're to have the fenton reaction now let's move on to another method that we can make all these free radicals it says the initial stage of the reactive oxygen species production in the presence of radio frequencies is controlled by the nadph oxidase enzyme now again we've done a whole series on our whole video on this and we call it the home cycle where the nox enzyme and remember we just talked about this briefly a fascinating enzyme without this we die we wouldn't be protected so it is our protection so when we're invaded by a foreign invader nox enzyme says we got a problem iron give me some oxygen nadph give me an electron let's kick up some mass cells some superoxide some histamine and kill this without it we die of infection if you knock out this enzyme the animal dies of infection however i'm firmly convinced there's so many environmental factors and if somebody's interested in this go back and watch that video i'm not going to repeat them all now watch that video where we talk about all the environmental factors that over stimulate this make the mass cells make the superoxide and then make the histamine so what happens then is that there's something called the r a a a s the reninansiotensin system that will crank up and make aldosterone and stimulate our nemesis i l 6 and interestingly i l 6 stimulates nox nox stimulates i l 6 and we just get this positive feedback loop where this thing just feeds upon itself so the more emf creates the the superoxide the more that just makes more peroxide nitrite and in multiple ways this feeds upon itself so again i would encourage everyone to watch that video and again i don't have time to get into it here today but again 3d chess game all of these little yellow boxes over here are our genes or enzymes mutations in any of these could make this whole process spin more quickly so if someone says well what's the genetic predisposition to the home cycle it's like we don't have one of those you know it's a combination of multiple environmental factors combined with perhaps multiple genetic factors and that's what makes it so complex so if somebody says well what's the supplement or medication to take like i don't know if we have one of those because it's going to be unique for each person and it just bob miller opinion i believe that up regulation of this is why we're seeing so much autism ad d autoimmune disease i believe that many of the people that are struggling today had they been born 75 years earlier may not be the healthiest person but wouldn't be as sick as they are today bob i couldn't agree more because it's really this environmental toxic load and part of it's the emas part of it's the chemicals part of it's the mold part of it's there's so many viral loads and infectious and tick-borne infections all of these are on the rise so even for me 20 years ago or 15 years ago treating patients there was less complexity and people got better quicker and i've seen even in that short decade there's been a massive difference in how quickly and how come how first of all how quickly people get better and how complex the illness is now and i think it is directly related because toxic environmental insults as you can clearly see there in your diagram will all stimulate knots absolutely and you know when i talk to elementary school teachers who've just taught five years and i'll say how are the kids different today than five years ago every one of them says more difficulty concentrating more angry more frustrated when i talk to college professors tell me about the boys they're fragile that's the word they keep using fragile they get upset quickly i spoke to a gentleman who is a a texas ranger and he said he's still in contact with the with the organization and they constantly have to lower the standards of physical fitness because they wouldn't have anybody that could apply anymore because the boys are not as strong as they were 20 30 years ago and if you'd listen to dr thea hardy's he believes that autism mass cells are playing a significant role in that as it creates the neuro inflammation and one of the things that concerns me is you know turn on the news for 10 minutes and the amount of anger that people have even on on political views i mean families break apart friends stop talking to each other because they have differing political views in the past you know we can have different views on politics but not hate each other you know now we're seeing such a rise in anger and the only thing i put on facebook is here's my recent interview with with dr jill i'm not getting involved in conversations you know so because everybody will lash out at you so this i just one of my researchers just found this and i just about fell off my chair as we know some people get covid they don't even know they had it others are like i had a cough and a sore throat well no that bad others are gasping for breath on ventilators and dying and this was just you know recently published just december 15th just going to read the bottom line here taking into account all these evidences we propose that pre-existing nox pathway dysregulation could be a determining factor in the development of the severe form of covid-19 infection so this isn't saying determines whether you get it or not or whether you fight it off or not but whether you have the severe infection and the onset of the complications worsening the clinical outcomes of the disease so i think this is incredibly significant and and i think that one of the concerns a lot of people have is if covid would have hit 50 years ago would it be as serious as it is today then it goes on to say the data discussed in this president opinion papers suggest that reducing oxidative stress could improve the poor outcomes that characterizes severe covid-19 due to the central role exerted by nox's pathway dysregulation and related oxidative stress in the main comorbidity associated to severe covid-19 and considering its involvement in the SARS-CoV viral infection mechanism targeting nox enzyme seems a promising strategy to treat covid-19 to prevent the severe complications so i suspect what they're talking about here is you know medications that may inhibit nox and that's that's fine but another way to go about this is find out what environmental factors are stimulating my nox might have might i have a genetic predisposition that they harm me more than others and then take some some active steps now i don't want anybody to say that you know cell phones is causing the problem with covid because i think it's much more complex than that but i think what we can see from this it's got to be a contributing factor for some individuals i was really intrigued by this drawing that was part of that study and this was new to me the virus comes in of course we all know it comes in using ACE2 stimulates nox and this was new to me it inhibits nerf 2 antioxidant response we want to i want to have my research team get on this no idea how it doesn't but for those who don't know nerf 2 when we're faced with inflammation nerf 2 signals the production of the usage of and the recycling of our glutathione and other antioxidants so if we crank up the nox enzymes to make more inflammation and we tamp down our antioxidant response what are we going to have a lot of reactive oxygen species going on and potentially this is a factor that's involved with why you know some people breeze through and other people on ventilators and and pass away i mean i'm sure there's other factors as well but i think this has to go into the to the mix so i was a little stunned by this study because as you know dr jill we've been talking about the nox enzyme for a long time yeah it pulls it all together doesn't involve i keep finding these things too i'm like oh like lps endotoxemia and the same cytokines like il6 are upregulated so no wonder that diabetics and cardiovascular disease and some of the other predisposing factors that are related to lps often have worse outcomes in covid it just makes sense mm-hmm yeah the more inflamed you are going into it the more potential there is all right back to emf we spoke about superoxide dismutase now we're going to talk about glutathione it's an antioxidant an important cellular defense a defense agent against oxidative damage it reacts with the free radicals in the cell and reduces the entry of hydrogen peroxides it also prevents the oxidation of sulfur groups in the protein structure so there's plenty of information out there that the lower your glutathione goes the sooner the sooner you die from all causes so we have to have glutathione to do this reduction of all of these free radicals now the interestingly we were just talking about this before the show started and we're talking about glutathione is especially important for the activity of glutathione peroxidase and glutathione reductase this is what takes the oxidized back to the reduced and i am absolutely convinced mutations in this are more significant than we've ever realized and we can talk about that at the end if we have a little bit of time so here they studied the effects of a 900 megahertz emf for two hours a day for 45 days in rats they reported that catalyse and glutathione peroxidase activities decreased significantly compared to a control group and as you said earlier you know this is now science this isn't just tin hat i think you know cell phones are hurting us similarly an increase in lipid peroxidation and studies i never heard demolition but that's an interesting word in glutathione levels we're seen in all lymphoid organs after emf exposure suggesting that increased levels of lipid peroxidation may have been a consequence of depleted glutathione stores so there it is peer-reviewed literature that it's decreasing our catalyse and glutathione peroxidase activities going back to what you said about the hydrogen water hydrogen water supports the production of glutathione so that's why that can be by so vitally important because clearly we're not going to get rid of our cell phones and our wi-fi but you know we have to do things that may lessen the potential that it that harms us so here's catalyse it's a common enzyme present in organisms exposed to oxygen it's in fruits vegetables and animals it catalyzes the reaction that degrades hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen and remember we said that hydrogen peroxide combines with iron to make hydroxyl radicals it's a crucial enzyme in the production of the cell against oxidative damage caused by the free radicals and what does the emf do it reduces it now here's another study these researchers observed a decrease in catalyse levels in an emf exposed group they reported that emf exposure led to depression of antioxidant systems because of raised lipid peroxidation and generation of free radicals mobile phones triggered oxidative damage in the living cell by increasing the levels of xanthine oxidase and carbonyl group activity and reducing catalyse activity sounds like a train wreck to me dr. jill absolutely it's unbelievable how this all pulls together then back to SOd SOd is an enzyme that catalyzes the reaction in which toxic superoxide is taken to molecular oxygen or hydrogen peroxide superoxide is generated as a byproduct of the result of the oxygen metabolism as we talked about leading to several types of damage to cells and this study reported that 50 day exposure to emf causes oxidative stress levels by increasing mda levels and consequently reducing your superoxide dismutase activity now interestingly for both catalyse and superoxide dismutase there is your enzymes that are made from your dna mutations in those mean you're at more risk in other words the more it gets lowered by just the way you were born then there's more of an effect on these outside exposures so what are some of the genetic mutations decrease catalyze SOd and glutathione gclm and gcls and you know it might be a good idea just to uh to pull a map over here and to talk about glutathione a little bit glutathione is made from cysteine that's why sometimes people take nack and acetylcysteine glycine and glutamate gclm and gclc is what makes this occur you can have mutations in here but hold on to your hat mold will inhibit this so what have a lot of people do they're inflamed and they think well i need more glutathione i'm going to take some nac and acetylcysteine nack as it's called if all goes well we'll come down in here and make glutathione however if you've got mutations or mold that doesn't happen and many people know that cysteine can come down what's called the transulfuration pathway and if we have any difficulty so here's cysteine over here so if it's in excess sulfites are very inflammatory if we've got problems with suox not enough melendimum or not enough heme that sulfite doesn't turn into sulfate and guess what sulfite does it stimulates the nox enzyme oops and cysteine will also combine with iron to make hydroxyl radicals so under the wrong conditions we can think we're doing something good for ourselves by taking nack to make glutathione and lo and behold we're making our self worse i think i've probably said this before of course i have all these personal experiences but years ago i could not take nack and it was exactly this i had one way that patients might be able to tell if their doctor checks organic acids and there's high cysteine and tarine in the urine that's often that cbs up regulation and the metabolism of of the nack or any of those precursors in the pathways you were describing and for me it presented as pain like shoulder neck stiffness and pain and i remember the day i took my first one milligram of malebdenin it's like oh i feel really good and you and i are like oh of course right at the time i didn't understand the pathway but it was magical how for me malebdenin was like a anti-inflammatory or a pain pill because it took care of that excess sulfite issue before i i knew what was going on now now that if detox from mold i can take a lot of nac without any issues so part of this is like we talked about personalization of medicine the order of operations and the doctor working with you is so crucial because if you give some of these beautiful nutrients at the wrong time you can actually make the patient absolutely and just a quick note nerf to a nuclear transaction factor is what controls this heap one holds on to nerf two so i often give the analogy think of nerf two as somewhat of a sprinkler system that turns on water when there's a fire keep one is kind of like the the valve that holds the water back and the heat sensor so keep as the name implies holds on to nerf two and when fire comes along meaning inflammation keep one releases nerf two and it says okay guys let's make some glutathione let's assemble it let's use it to take things out and let's recycle it however we've just found one keep one that's very pathological and that it actually now hang on to your head this sounds backwards it makes keep one stronger keep in mind keep one holds back nerf two so if keep one is too strong nerf two doesn't get released but interestingly there's other variants that make keep one more active and to really make it complicated if you get a cancer cell you want your body to make oxidative stress to kill the cancer cell so if nerf two is too active it can protect the cancer cell so back to 3d chess game played under water but the one that i see most often and possibly because of my demographics the keep one is holding on to nerf two too strongly combine a nerf two mutation that makes nerf two weaker and then mutations in any of these it's a real train wreck now for the doctors who are listening to this and they might be doing genomics i'd like to pass on what i believe might be one of our most important discoveries genetic mutation and keep one that holds this stronger genetic mutations in nerf two it makes it weaker and genetic mutations in gsr glutathione s reductase that takes your oxidized glutathione back to the reduced we're observing that in the sickest of the sick those who just cannot get on top of their inflammation bob i think that's important enough i want you to repeat that just for people listening because i'll be like what did you say and it can rewind but go ahead and say that one more time because that wasn't really the point yeah i believe this is one of our most important research findings so glutathione is what neutralizes your toxins neutralizes your hydrogen peroxide it starts out and reduced and after it does its job it goes to oxidized we need nadph and gsr to take it back from oxidized to reduced nerf two controls gsr and and all of them nerf two is released to do its job by keep one there's this one rs number that makes keep one stronger meaning it holds on so when the fire starts it kind of says fire what fire i don't see a fire you see a fire so then it doesn't respond but more importantly if gsr is not doing its job oxidized glutathione doesn't come back to reduced now also nadph is a cofactor and we won't go into a lot of detail here but if you watch our video on the nadph steel nadph fascinating molecule it's used to take oxidized back to reduced but it's also used by the oxynzyme to make inflammation so this same electron can be used to make inflammation or reduce inflammation that's why i call it the nadph steel but bottom line is if this oxidized doesn't get back to the reduced this oxidized combines with oxygen to make superoxide nitric oxide to make peroxynitrite depleting our glutathione oxidizing our and damaging our dna so how ironic is it that under the wrong conditions cysteine or glutathione can make you inflamed and reduce your glutathione so again for the doctors who do this work i just point out this is our latest discovery the keep one that's up regulation nerve two down regulation and particularly when people have homozygous on gsr these are the people that are barely functioning and i've seen it in some of the most severe cases of autism where the children don't speak you know they just are violent they they cannot function so it's too early to tell if we'll be able to help with that but again this is a dynamic keep one nerve two gsr that we're observing and we'll keep your prize on that all right now the um that's why i believe gsr is very important gst that's your glutathione conjugation how it takes out toxins as we talked about mutations in gpx mutations in nerve two any mutations in sod one two or three or catalase and again for the doctors who are on here are the health professionals we've just upgraded our software the national institute of health has determined which of the SNPs are really most significant they can actually be evidence-based or pathological and we've now isolated those to show which ones might have more impact giving us more ability to determine what's going on that's how we discovered the gsr there's one gsr that's considered pathological and when that's mutated that's when they really have a hard time taking their oxidized back to reduced all right so here's another study that shows hundreds of studies showing microwave changes in calcium fluxes and intracellular calcium signaling now of course you know we all know the calcium is needed to to build bone but used improperly calcium can be very inflammatory now there's something called the voltage-gated calcium channel and that is how it sits on the outside of the cell and a slight voltage sends calcium in now you can have genetic mutations in these genes and that means that voltage will send more calcium in so what is emf it's a voltage okay so downstream effects nitric oxide signaling peroxynitrite free radical formation and oxidative stress and in this study this is put out by martin paul of course he's very well known but he said it's time for a paradigm shift away from only thermal effects towards voltage-gated calcium channel activation and the consequent downstream effects this is a a snip from my from my software where we actually look at the calcium voltage channels it seems as though these two in the middle are quite common to be heterozygous and don't seem to be a problem heterozygous means one parent homozygous means both parents these two seem to be more severe and you can look at even among sick people this only shows up three percent and two point seven percent of the time invariably these people are very sensitive dmf and then here's another pattern where there's three so by looking at these calcium voltage channels you can get a clue if that voltage channel i and i'm not quite sure how this works i mean martin paul knows more than i do but i make the simple analogy that the gate is a little floppy and voltage pushes calcium in a little bit more robustly i've never seen genetic mutations that are that accurate because many times mutations or a predisposition could be effective maybe not we found these to be very effective now here's what happens here is the calcium voltage channel cac na1c this is the cell membrane here's calcium when you've got this mutate in other words it's weak emf comes along pushes more the calcium in as we said that stimulates the nitric oxide then emf as we already showed you stimulates superoxide superoxide and nitric oxide oh no peroxy nitrite so if you've got weakness in glutathione peroxidase or glutathione in general where you don't have enough so d we're going to make more peroxid nitrite damages your dna now a couple nutrients are fascinating cat's claw is a natural calcium channel blocker of course magnesium balances calcium and vitamin k2 is needed for the proper delivery and use of calcium uh sod catalyze resveratrol and rosemary help sod which hazel rosemary grape seed extract and selenium sop up some of your peroxid nitrite so those are nutrients that you can use to actually slow down this in addition to staying away from your from your from your emf now we want to talk a little bit about peroxid nitrite i think we spoke about this in our very first i think it was our first interview that we spoke about peroxid nitrite so if someone wants to learn more go back and watch that one but the cliff notes peroxid nitrite produced from nitric oxide and superoxide has been proposed to cause neuronal dysfunction and cell death in aging and age related degenerative diseases three nitro tyrosine an oxidation product of tyrosine by peroxid nitrite was reported to increase in degenerating brains that's a scary thought now interesting calcium channel blockers block emf effects and several types of additional evidence confirm this mechanism so calcium channel blockers could actually be supportive of that now this is interesting there's a there's a molecule called hercidine i'm probably not saying that right but it actually comes from cat's claw it is concluded that this from cat's claw this is the botanical name common name inhibits that calcium voltage channel blocking activity mainly through inhibition of the voltage dependent calcium influx so cat's claw which has been around for a long time it comes from a tree that grows in south america it's been used for immune system and other things historically and here it is it's a calcium channel blocker wow i love that bob because practical speaking i use it all the time to treat borrelia and also epstein bark and i'm sure that's a bacteria and a virus but it's very powerful and in conjunction with other herbs for each of those things and for borrelia i use it with other herbs and then for epstein bark i combine it with sometimes like monolorn or lysine or but it's very very effective for both of those infections probably for immune support and stimulation but who knows if there's this effect on calcium channel blocking it also promotes the immune system well it may be multifactorial and that's the beauty of the things that god put on the earth for us there they're very complex totally speculating here but clearly peroxanitrite suppresses the immune system so if by blocking the you know having a calcium channel blocking and that reduces the peroxanitrite potential that that could be another factor as to as to why it's helpful so here it says the major active component showed rosemary acid to have strong ability to scavenge peroxanitrite so here they're saying in this article these scavengers might be developed as therapeutic drugs for presenting peroxanitrite involved diseases so i guess what they're suggesting is you know can the pharmaceuticals somehow synthesize the active ingredient but it's already there in rosemary acid then here there's an article that says the radioprotective effect of rosemary acid against mobile phone and wi-fi radiation induced oxidative stress in the in the brains of rats so here they're saying there's a significant elevation of nitric oxide and significant reduction in glutathione glutathione peroxidase total antioxidant capacity sod and catalase in the rf radiation exposed rat's brain compared to the control group hang on to your hat rosemary acid reduce the levels of nitric oxide elevated glutathione peroxidase superoxide dismutase catalase and glutathione levels in the rat brains in the art radio and wi-fi groups compared to the to the other group so bottom line of this study is that rosemary acid can be considered a useful candidate for protecting brain tissues against rf radiation induced oxidative stress so who to thunk you know just this this simple thing that has been on the earth could have that kind of an impact i mean when you think about you know elevates all of these things that's astonishing when you really think of it and you know what a miracle that is that something that the god put on the earth for us can be can be that helpful now we also show that witch hazel has shown the strongest effect for scavenging perox and nitride not even going to try to say that the major active component of witch hazel bark was shown to have a strong ability to scavenge the perox and nitride it suggested this might be developed as an an effective perox nitride scavenger for the prevention of perox and nitride involved diseases so that's why in some of the formulas that i put together for emf let's put those in there let's put some cat's claw some sod some witch hazel some rosemary put them all together now selenium this is almost a no-brainer we know that selenium is needed to you know recycle your glutathione and here they're saying that nano selenium could improve cognitive impairments of mice exposed to rf by increasing antioxidants decreasing free radicals and the changes they make to the cerebra neurotransmitters and you know we don't get as much selenium as we should either now this is interesting and again i would encourage people to watch our interview on il6 i can't tell you how many of my own clients and others have just loved that interview that we did that's a that's going to be a tough act to follow but i know we just we really we did i did ourselves i totally i'll be sure to put a link for all you listening both on youtube on the facebook everywhere this posted because that was really worth um your time to watch the il6 one i'm going to be sure and link that up bob okay sounds good so here they did a study 112 employees of a power plant as the exposed group and 138 unexposed were enrolled in a study pro inflammatory cytokines including il6 and tumor necrosis factor were measured conclusion long-term exposure to these emfs affects the immune responses by stimulating the production of these pro inflammatory cytokines so uh i'm just going to very briefly extremely briefly talk about them but i again watch that watch that link because in case anybody says what's a cytokine here's here's the cliff notes uh there are a class of chemical mediators involved signaling between cells intermeeting between luke reference to the leukocytes there are cytokine and they're signaling molecules that aid cell to cell communication and again needed but in excess a problem uh some were involved not only in the initiation but the persistence of pathologic pain by directly activating sensory neurons and some were involved in nerve injury inflammation induced central sensitization and peripheral inflammatory responses now this is an interesting study and we talked about this in the in the other interview we did i'm just showing just this slide when comparing successfully aging individuals to those with aging related diseases disability there was lower il6 levels in the successfully aging group longer survival was associated with lower concentrations conclusion of the study il6 and crp levels were good predictors of physical and cognitive performance and the risk of mortality in the both the entire elderly population and successfully aging individuals and this was a huge study of thousands of of people not just a quick and then il6 was consistently related to all cause mortality independent of the levels of adjustment and showing a dose response relationship between il6 and risk of death il6 is a powerful predictor of all cause mortality in male elderly community dwellings now again back to coven during a meta-analysis and systematic review elevated il6 levels were found to be significantly associated with adverse clinical outcomes now let's look at what we just said before there's a nox relationship well nox stimulates il6 il6 stimulates nox there was a reported 2.9 fold increase in mean il6 concentrations in complicated coven 19 cases one other study interleukin6 is one of the main mediators of inflammatory and immune response initiated by infection or injury and increased levels of ir6 are found in more than one half of patients with coven 19 the il6 is associated with inflammatory response respiratory failure needing for mechanical ventilation and or intubation and mortality in coven 19 patients now guess what il6 mutations are gain of function so when you've got homozygous mutations in il6 they may lead to gain of function now what gain of function means is the il6 is quicker to be made these twos on here mean that these individuals got a mutation from both mother and father just observing as we see people who have a lot of mutations they have a lot of inflammation you know jumping from one doctor to another desperately trying to find a result and not having much success until we start addressing this overactive interleukin6 now we showed this in the last time so i'm not going to go into a lot of detail but again watch that video we showed all the environmental factors that will stimulate interleukin6 all the internal things that will do it some of the things that will inhibit it okay um and hydrogen water top of the list here thiamine riboflavin black human seed oil apagenin from parsley and chamomile pine bark oxytocin hug a family member or your dog p-e-m-f uh vitamin d the good fats and again we go through all that in that one hour and 50 minute interview but just briefly here you can see that il6 stimulates NOx NOx stimulates mass cells mass stimulates histamine kit genes if you got mutations here they're going to be trigger happy make more one of the things i'm astonished is how many people have mutations in their abp1 they don't make enough dao to degrade histamine their mao degrades histamine histamine and methyl transferase degrades histamine and i don't know if we had an opportunity to talk about this but we are very intrigued histidine decarboxylase takes histidine an amino acid from things like pork and beef and turns it into histamine we're finding that when people have a mutation in these significantly uh evidence-based hdcs and they have mutations that they don't degrade their b6 these people often overproduce histamine so how often do you see elevated b6 dr joe um i would say quite frequently actually so yeah this is a big deal and i have always not always had the answers of exactly why that is even some people who are not taking b6 which is even more puzzling but that makes sense here yeah well if we get a chance i'll show you there there's two genes that i'm very intrigued by and they are related to the degradation of b6 and uh well why don't we why don't we do that why don't we just let's do it let's let's pull in the uh the pyramid this is the pyramid that we use and there's a section called nutrient metabolism and i don't know what we'll uh we'll find on this person but in the software these are all the genes that are related to nutrient metabolism i'm just going to zip right on down here to uh the b6 here's melendimum so when you got mutations here you might need melendimum to to support the the sulfite to sulfate conversion if you have mutations in thiamin very important to be supplementing with thiamin riboflavin same thing riboflavin we i think we spoke about that last time yeah and so here's your panethanic acid and b6 is coming right up here so for doctors who are doing any of this work uh keep an eye on these two right here pdxp degradation of vitamin b6 and i'm i have my researchers on this uh nbpf3 i'm very intrigued by this this is part of clearing vitamin b6 we're very early on but we are noticing that when people have mutations in these b6 clearance they oftentimes have high levels of b6 and you know unfortunately you know sometimes people take multiple nutrients they don't pay attention you know a lot of people say you don't have to worry about the b vitamins because they're water soluble they'll be excreted but what we're finding is that when people have mutations here along with mutations in histidine d carboxylase their histamine is through the roof and they many times don't recognize it so for the doctors who are watching this keep an eye on nbpf3 and pdxp we're still researching this so you know i don't want to say it's definitive and you know maybe someday we can talk about this in more detail but we're i have a sneaking suspicion that mutations here along with other things that don't allow you to clear your histamine so for example if you've got if you've got a lot of histamine being produced and you don't have enough you don't have enough dao and maybe your hnmt is mutated or you don't have sami or you've got mutations in glucuronidation and then on top of that your hdc enzyme is cranking turning histidine into histamine perfect storm and i believe this might be happening and interestingly iodine testosterone and ecgc from green tea temper this down so what's happening to our testosterone levels particularly in the men dropping particularly in the uh in the in the younger boys and then comt catecholamino methyl transferase testosterone strengthens it which clears dopamine and other nasty things so for boys particularly dropping testosterone can have a profound profound impact so anyway and i'm sure you're you're probably noticing uh that uh that uh testosterone is dropping in boys practically you know now what are some ways that we can reduce that il6 during a meta-analysis curcumin was found to reduce circulating il6 concentrations um the lowering capacity was not even dependent upon the dose or duration of the supplementation um here in other analysis pycnogenol was found to decrease crp and have an anti-inflammatory action um here's thymine and riboflavin they will actually help the anti-inflammatory activity of dexamethasone and reduce production of tumor necrosis factor alpha and il6 and then good ol black human seed oil uh the bottom line of this study was that significantly reduces interleukin6 so those are all things that people can take that will reduce the interleukin6 but on the other hand you have to do things that that also you know reduce the over production of it this last time but black human seed is a favorite for clostridia so that's another treatment option that we use again you need to consult your doctor we're not giving medical advice but there's other benefits i've had a real um good luck with the gut and excess clostridia with black human seed and i think that's why some people think that they're allergic to it or can't handle it because they're doing the die off you know uh now this one blows me away apigenin or some people say apigenin found in parsley and chamomile has been shown to enhance the expression of glutathione glutathione synthase catalase and sod inhibit an adp oxidase increase nerf 2 and strongly decrease il6 parsley seriously but who would have thought and this is the ingredient that that's in the parsley but also on chamomile i mean when you think about what such a simple food has such impact on us so sprinkle that parsley on your food but i'm i'm a big fan of supplementing with with parsley and selenium you know we spoke about that multiple linear regression analysis shows that serum selenium was significantly inversely associated with interleukin 6 after adjusting for potential confounding factors of course it would make sense because if it helps your glutathione recycle you're going to have more glutathione available and reduce the inflammatory cascade now i'd like to mention that we're having another conference in 2021 and dr jill you and i have to talk about if maybe we can have you participate in that again our subject is going to be 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I personally got a little faraday cage for my wi-fi so that it reduces the amount of EMF use those air air buds rather than than the than the bluetooth try not to spend a lot of time next to your wi-fi machine some people are concerned about the the meter on the outside of their house some people can get the electric company to go back to you know traditional reading or you can get cages to put over them and just use some some common sense one of the things that concerns me the most is when people stream to their television set so when you get a text message or an email blip you know not much but when you're streaming to your tv that's a lot of EMF and one of my concerns is particularly if the router is between you and the television set all that's passing through you so I think we're going to find over time that EMF is not this benign little thing that brings us the world but I have a sneaking suspicion we're going to have a big oops to all of this someday so the best we can do is avoid and personally I sleep in a 5g block bag every night there's a sleeping bag that you can get that is made out of silver threads and protects you and just some common sense things to try to stay away a little bit make sure your antioxidants are working well and try to do the best you can enough what may be a relatively tough situation Bob this is such great information thank you so much for all the hard work you and your team have done to share it and again I could be more excited as we partner together and to support your your educational platforms and all that and I would just add same thing don't keep your phone next to your body do not keep it on or charging at night I always recommend airplane mode and if possible charge it in another room at night and then there are some devices that I found useful there is so many out there these are just the ones I use on my phone here this little guy that's called an Aries Tech I'll put a link to where you can get that and then the brand new one that the Aries Tech company has is called a life shield and that's this little guy right here and this this company has over 200 IBM patents as far as the background in the emf protectiveness this thing can be stuck in this little pocket and worn around your neck and again I wasn't actually planning on showing these that's why you saw me lean down so like I'm gonna just show this stuff because this is what I use nothing is as good as keeping the cell phone away from your body working with your practitioner to have nutrients that protect you but all these things can be super helpful and I've and they have now I don't have it with me but my dogs actually have dog emf protectors so you can actually give this for your dogs this life tune is the brand new one it's it's extra it's like 38 times more powerful 5G especially so the life tune series with Aries Tech has been geared towards the 5G protection and that's the line that has the dog tags and has these guys here this is 50 square feet the dog tags are 12 square feet so around your little your pet and then the phone ones and there's they have lots of devices and I also often wear a bio shield that's like it looks like a necklace a medallion I personally have actually just felt better so I I'm not an electrical engineer I am not the person that I I know the bioscience of the human body so I am not your expert on EMF devices but I'm just telling you stuff that I use personally and I found to be helpful for my physical well-being also you've heard me talk about PMF mats and people are like oh isn't that worse I have found patients with severe EMF sensitivity that mimics than the earth's surface so earthing and grounding and PEMF pulse electric magnetic frequency I have found to be incredibly helpful and it's funny my little story you've probably heard me talk about this before but my friend natural breath has a $20,000 PEMF mat so I was like oh that's out of the range for myself and most people that I know right that's really really expensive investment but higher doses really recently made one that was very simple under a thousand dollars and I that's the one I use so it's quite affordable in the relativness of PEMF mats and so I really have liked the higher dose PEMF mat again I'll link to the products we love page so you guys can see and check this out yourself I feel like it's an affordable option in fact I like it so much I bought my staff them for Christmas and my family so I've purchased a lot of these because I actually believe in them and they work so check those things out see what works for you I and again the other stuff just keeping away from your body taking your nutrients so so many things out there to do and Bob thank you so much for your time your expertise today as always it's been a joy it's been a full ride of great information we'll be sure and share this so thank you all for joining us today my pleasure to be here