So, welcome back. It was nice discussing youth and politics with the two comrades. One comrade was Kennedy and the other was Thomas. It was very nice. And now I told you that it's World Population Day, that was yesterday. We celebrate World Population Day in every 11th of July. And now we are here to discuss things, population. And you can't discuss population without mentioning things, family planning. Around the family planning, there is a statistics that say those who practice family planning mostly are ladies. And the family planning is more safer when practiced by men than ladies. That is according to science and statistics. Now I'm here with the men who are going to help us know if or why men are not supporting. If at all because the statistics say that they are not well supporting the family planning initiative, they want ladies to do it. And we are here with the two gentlemen who look very sharp. They are going to introduce himself starting with the person from my far right. So you're going to tell us everything about you, your name, your social media handles, what you do and all that. Welcome. Thank you very much. My name is Simon Masai. I'm a practice in Christian. Practice in Christian, you're going to explain that. I am a computer scientist by profession, but I practice entrepreneurship at the moment. It's the one that is bringing food on the table. Apart from that, I'm a blogger. I do blog and my blog is Timed Life in Cuttingness. And I also do podcast. In Facebook, it's Simon Masai. And in Twitter, it's at Simeon Masai. It's S-I-M-I-O-N Masai. That is on Twitter and also on Instagram is Simo Masai. Simo is S-Y-M-O-R-E. Yes. Oh, that's nice Masai. What did you mean by practicing Christian? Practicing Christian, okay, we have people who confess by just mentioning it, but they are those who make it practical. You leave it out. So that is what I meant. Okay, nice to have you on set. Thank you. You are going to tell us the Christian perspective on this population thing and family planning thing and everything about it. Now that we have a Christian, a faithful on set. Maybe just one more thing or two more things I can say. I also work with Aiman. This is an organization called Fokas Kenya. It's Fellowship of Christian Union. I'm an associate. I do mentorship to student and discipleship. What did you say brings food on your table? Entrepreneurship.  We have shown entrepreneurship every Tuesday. So maybe next time you'll tell us more about how you entrepreneur as I am person. Yeah, the next person is called Frank Kobe. So Kobe, you can tell us more about you, more about you, everything from what you do and everything. So Frank. Santisana. Mine is called Frank Kobe. I work with MC Frank. I work with MC Frank Kobe. I'm a DJ. Apart from being a DJ, I'm an actor. I train, I work with an actor and I'm a scriptwriter. I'm not an entertainer but I'm a co-best. But I'm in business management. What kind of management? Business management. Currently, I'm a student and I'm a journalist. Levolgan. I'm a business manager and I'm a diploma. So I'm a degree but I'm a master. But you mentioned about journalism. Are you a health student studying journalism at which level and where? Niko Kenema Institute. Yes, Lefanya Diploma. Okay. Yes. Let us now get to the business of the day and it's about population. The statistics about, the brief statistics about population in the whole world is that the one population is growing rapidly. Like the population has increased to about 88 million people every year. Like 88 people, 83 million people are born every year. And right now, there are about 7.6 billion people in the world. We are the one population of people, of men and women of humanity. We are 7.6 billion. That means there are over half a billion more people in the world that has reached when it was counted 7 years ago. So it's like a billion people are born as increased from 7 years ago. And if the population continues to increase as they are now, there will be about 10 billion people worldwide. And the three most populous nations in the world are now China and China is number one. India is number two. And then number three is USA currently. But they are saying that it's fast changing. That by 2050 India is projected to overtake China and then Nigeria will come in the mix. Nigeria is Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa. So Nigeria is like will overthrow USA. USA will no longer be there. It's going down. But generally, the African population is growing, growing more than the European population. We are becoming more and more and more. And that is why there is need for us to change or to decrease the population. Now what do you think? Do you think as African we need to be more or we need to control the population? Ok, angali apia na resources manya tu konazo kama wa na damu. Let's go with you first Masai. Ok, first if you look at in Africa we have many countries that are very poor. And unfortunately those countries that are poor they have more people. And so for my opinion will be like we need first we do need to increase numbers. We need to manage what we have. And so that we don't deplete the resources we have by having more people around. So according to you we should control birth. We should do birth control to control the increasing population. Yeah, we manage the number we have. Ok, what do you think? Ah, what was the honey? What was the honey? What was the honey? Ok, kwa baibol kwa genesis ina seme kana, kwa jazid muka jurimeja. Bado kuna space kubo. Kwa baibol kuna space wana. Another thing is they say God himself say ok there is an aspect of wisdom. Ok, the Bible it say ok it's very correct to say and go and play and then we'll zane. But it's an aspect of wisdom and the Bible itself says if you lack wisdom ask God to give you. Ok, my management here managing the population I mean like we increasing the number like we use wisdom. Like for example you are a parent, you unajoma pata yako. You know what you get and you know what you can provide to make sure that what you talk wana grobizuri. We wana wana say I will not want me to be raised the way I was raised.  Like wana, so you will not just make sure you will not have 100 children and you unama pata kidoga and you want to see. That was my point. You are differing. What was honey? Where you come from let us start with maybe kwa baibol kwa baibol kwa baibol kwa baibol kwa baibol kwa baibol kwa baibol kwa baibol kwa baibol. Kwa ka rizourses, kuna shamba kuna kila kitu eni lisa fanya wa tu wa zahane bili wana? Kokikazi kutu ni, ya kwa mc komofangshshel, ni menda places mingasa na pa., kwa iken�etu. Infact kaw anti zadeh siha hyanda, kuna shamba. Chukiwe injiwa kwen dahi garisa peiki hake, aga kuna shamba iwi. So that is how people can stay in their house? Nini, Egypti nidesat, kwele mani wongo, enda China, most nid places nidesat, enda Israel. Tumituwa kili, tulemiwe tneza, fungo iso, places, zikwe productive. So, where are family planning is now? Ah ah, what was zahane, what was zahane. In fact, nikona buses, nikona buses, zakusapuot what was zahane. Steal them, let's hear them. Maybe they will go to this as we start. Tumituwa, wajani kumaliza hivi, the book of Psalms. One, two, seven, three. In Asema, children have a heritage in it. So, what of kwenwa toto? Uke damele, kunapia bus in Asema, kwa uminyanam toto, ana that happiness. Kunana. So, kwenwa kuna trwegi bus, kuna happiness miki bus. Oh, the mother, they are happy. Okay, let's practically look at that one. Okay, those people, okay. Shitu neshi, like, tumia examples around. Okay, we use the Baibu and then this example around. Like, is it true that those who have many children are happy? Very happy, very happy. Saifon, Saifon is trying to bring it that maybe it depends on the amount of resources you have. But it's paradoxical that the rich, those who have money, the Obamas of this one, the bill gates of this one. And now, those who are in the low class, in the southern part of this axis, now they don't have resources to bring up these children. Tell us why you think this is the case. Okay, the case of those who are richer, they have. Yeah, and they have very few kids. And those who are poor and have many kids and they don't have resources to take care of those kids. Okay, we have those people, like, kuna trwegi. They are those people who say maybe moza atakuwa nini. That's the matrix they use. And so they end up like, let me get more. Maybe one of them atabatikakuwa. But those people who are rich, moana. Like for them, okay, when it comes to family things and like having children, you know the process of having children. It comes when, when you find those who are rich, they tend to be very busy. And so the process of making children for them is not a priority. Moana, like through the intent to to have less children, moana. That is my opinion on that one. Yes. So kaka kwa iyo kwa trwegi. So kaka kwa trmoja. And trmoja labda. But inbaya. Another thing is kukuadakari, it's resources is needed for somebody to become a doctor.  Like kuna iyo kuna iyo and find a primary nini. And then, so unfortunately kama if you don't, if you don't have any money. So kisima sumo nibure? Primary? Is it bure? I think it's bure. Sayu na sumu relai kwe umbidi m habilinda shule. Are you reading free? Are you studying free of charge? Me kwa sponsored? So kuna vitu kuna espelli Wa u trokeileh utafutu izu resources. Rekin kusemo jilemi eteti Udashina kunga munga tsam toto saniakhe papu naired. Anyway, moana sewa mkutara kuja na sainiak. Ii niwまあu kua rakuja r국si because she was living the same elsama ahti niya kwa, aw trak chilli –but it was island kunji upotu ku nafa, it Sorry I couldn't know anything but in this country I felt your parents were very responsible –for having this family We decided just to have them and then you find that some of the children outside they are cross-treat, it's not that they are often, but they have a responsible parent. Nikuwa suwani. Apu, makosa yekuza, makosa nimuza zindi akua responsible. Let me give you a good example nani. A kukuda enja. A kutuangapi. Kosa nikuwa nama bibiwe nikuwa. Na ualiza. Na ualiza akua. Na kumbia apu kuna loya. Wali ena shule wote. Akunamu niya agenda shule. So, tu se meti, tu kiza wengia. Kutu responsible. Let's look at a kukuda enja in terms of, was he poor? Pafat is relative by the way. In terms of resources. In terms of resources. Okay, in terms of taking care of all those wives and all those children. Akunamu niya. Akunamu niya. So, he was not very stable financially, but the children caught up and he first struggled to bring them up and then they caught up. They got the many of them, got the professions, they went to school. They are now a bit stable financially, though a kukuim self is not there. But that is an exceptional case. It's not a case with everybody. So, you cannot be reconciled, the two of you. Frank has to this ground that people need to be as many as possible. On the other hand, Simon has insisted that people have to be as few as possible. So, let us go with the...  If they want you to have a few kids, they are birth controls that ladies use. Many of them, they are pills. They are just many of them. And now they are ones that men use. How do you think you can support your wife to practice this birth control? Just kumotivate her. Edelia tu taizinge ina kufraisha utu miye. Ibu tu watu pesaidi ake. But you know, they have a lot of side effects like the women practicing the safest way, the safest according to statistics, and that is effective 98%, is that they are two ways that men can use to do the birth controls. Two, the third one is being said, I'll tell you shortly about it. The one is using this latex. And the two is vasectomy. The latex works 98% in birth control. The 2% I think is the accident that can happen and maybe that blood breaks and all that. But the vasectomy works 99%. 99% So don't you think we start with Simon? Why don't you think men are not taking these birth controls upon themselves and protect their wives from going through all this risk? Don't you think we are selfish men? First, we are African. There is something about men. Men in Africa, there is something by the fact that we are African, there is an ego that is nurtured in Africa for men. When it comes to, nothing negative comes from a man. Nothing negative comes from a man. It's an ocean, I'm not affirming it. When it comes to family planning, men think that it's not for men to do that, women should do that. So they don't take the responsibility of even going and seeing as a man what can I do to make sure that we have this in control. But you'll find that they always point it to women like go and do your thing but for me I'm okay. That is what Kobi said.  Don't you think men should come in? For me, my opinion on that men should come in. From the Bible, in a marriage, the two becomes one. So in anything, they should even plan in terms of how many children are you going to have. It depends, they'll make that decision depending on what they have as a resource and how ready they are to take care of their children. So I think it's the responsibility of both to sit down and say how are you going to do it. So Kobi, I'm finishing with you so that I come back to Kobi on the same point. We have just found out that the first way is vasectomy. Men doing the vasectomy. Do you encourage men to take the vasectomy? For me, vasectomy. No. You don't, you think men should really come in this. Like as a pattern.  In a big dynamic between. Like you talk of another one. Ya, there's another one. It's 98% and this one is 99%. Ok, for me as a person, I'll not prefer vasectomy as a person. Ya, tell us your resource. Tell us your resource for not.  You really support the support of women. You even quoted the verses that you should help each other. In fact, the woman is written in the Bible as the helpmate. So she should support your helpmate as much as possible. She'll be doing most things she just supports. So why do you find it hard that men should not do vasectomy? From your part as a man? With the line that, you should also support women. Ok. Ya. Like you don't vasectomy. Ok, for me it's, you'll temper with your... Ok, it's cutting. Ya, cutting those pipes that transform... Ya, the fertility. You will temper with the fertility so that they are blocked. They are not channeled. You cannot impregnate because it is separated. So you don't support the cutting. The reason why I'm reluctant a bit, ok, I'm not a medic, but for me the reason why I'm saying that is because should it have health effect? That is why I'm reluctant doing that one because of health effect. Oh, you think there will be... Some complications that may not be necessarily on... Like it may make your body dysfunction. Ok, the aim was to not to, like it stops those pipes as you have called them, but should it have any other effect to the whole body then that's why I'm reluctant. I'll tell you some facts about vasectomy and maybe we'll take it on from there. But now let us come back to my brother, Kobe. Kobe, tell us why you cannot... Oh, let us start with if you can take it. Can you take vasectomy? No. It's a big no for you. No. Give us your reasons. Number one. Atu zika tumurambili. Sika mawana. Ume twili wan itu yu vasectakwanza. Ok. 2k yu kwa zachi. Ok. Number two.  Na siti yuki kata sasa, inetra vas difference. Yoi o pipe na kata. Inahinda that fluid, itroke kwa penyeiko, na yende kwa pipe, alafu itroke injie. So, the same inetraoka, the fluid, that's the egg, aita pita. So, imagine me katwa, asusa aita flow, itroke injie. Itabaki ukundani. Ibaru zainak producer zengene, zidain da wa pi. To figure to wa putui, zain da wa pi. Zina paile. O kashu kume bust. You are just a pita. Aguna kubust. Aguna kubust. Tima waniangu tu. So, you kubust, is that the only reason? Because I am going to clear you out of that fact. Okay, let me tell you some very few facts about vasectoma. One, is that vasectoma is not painful. It's something that doesn't pain much. It's a minor surgery. That's one. It's a very minor surgery that for around 15 to 20 minutes it's over. It's done and it's over. And I've told you that it's not very painful. And the recovery time is very short. Like you recover very fast. Before you know it, before you know it you have recovered. And during vasectomy, like after you've taken the vasectomy, you can resume your work. Like if you can do it maybe on a Friday. And on Monday you're just back to your things are just okay. And another fact about vasectomy is that it does not affect the performance, the sexual performance. You will just perform in bed the way you do perform. The only thing is that the semen won't reach that destination because there's just disconnect. I know you're going to ask me how but it happens. It happens. There's just a way. There's just somewhere they will go. And the results are not immediate. If you've done the vasectomy you'll have to wait for some time before you start assuming that things are not going to be the way they are. And vasectomy in contrary to what really people believe it can be reversed. It can be reversed. You can get back the connection if you want though it is not very very very assured guaranteed that you can succeed in doing that. And so I'm told it is generally safe and men who get vasectomy say that they feel more free when doing that thing because they don't have to worry about the unplanned pregnancy and getting vasectomy is simple.  You can walk in and get vasectomy and then go back to your house and approximately half of men get do that in USA. Africa is another whole thing. So vasectomy does not affect that production. The production just go on as it is like there is some fluids that mix with that other one that makes it work so that fluid is what that doesn't get to mix with it. So they become infunctional and it is possible to reverse I've told you they do not affect the eye and all that and the procedure is painless I've told you and they are 99% effective I've also told you that and every year there is a world vasectomy day that is November 22. Men and women celebrate that day. Now with these facts in your hands don't you think let us go to Simon let us start with Simon first because there are a lot of misconceptions about vasectomy and now we have cleared them. Don't you think now it is now just safe for men to just take up this thing. From the research do they very limited I said it is the safest the safest like it's safer than taking the pills it's safer than even using the latex it's safer than everything it is safest so that's why men are high to take it because the side effects are limited and you've also heard that it can be reversed so are you changing your mind? Okay it's convincing but there is something that you've mentioned that for it to be effective it takes away you've mentioned something for that and so if that is the case then you might find yourself like once a doctor has told you you've already done this thing and then ignorantly you go and start practicing making process making yourself like you are in trouble again so okay I'm still not sure like I'm still doubtful about what makes me see was interesting is that you really want to support women but it's a very no and remember it's taken when maybe you've got enough kids you wanted 7 we are coming back to that let us say 3 or let us say what Wakida Obama assopted for both are girls so you've had enough kids that you wanted so you say I want to continue enjoying them this same thing but I don't want more kids so now let me disconnect it how comes you want to really support our ladies in this but you don't want to take this other burden okay you've seen them supporting women my point was are you not supporting women okay that was not the case my point was it's for the two to make a decision the two to tango it's not a one man thing for me it's an agreement of two people and then there is when they sit down and have a discussion about it they look at it in terms of which is the best way for us to do it now Simon I've told you the best is vasectomy so can't you sit the two of you and agree that for us let us choose this first this is vasectomy that's you and your wife can you agree that okay from the facts about vasectomy and with main aim and objective of family planning I think I'll not I'll not I'll be okay with that one you will be okay with vasectomy now you have subdued you have agreed now that you can take it if I have the facts at hand let us come back to this problem again the guy that made me this problem is a typical African man typical African man you have heard the facts the facts now tell me but can you consider the fact that I know you can really love your wife one fact will say it is not 100% it is 99% so to the reason from that 1% may back assume ume enda process ukamaliza then kuru di one is successful I'm a concives in there it's a fracas you can say I don't know why you are thinking from a little you are I don't know you are listening with this 1% why don't you listen with the 99% first ume asana 1 ok ok, here is more here is 1% here is 1% here is 2% here is 2% see here is 3% here is no request if you want to demolish the bridge you can get me the bridge it is mine yes, but I'm painful I'm a kemi so here is 2% here is 2% kwa? kwa kwa? Natani vsira Natani vsira Na kwa? Na kwa? Na nfalle n الثakbre Na nfalle n nmopo Na nfalle nmopo Na kwa? Na nfalle nmopo We have been touched by kwaizubiwe. Kwaizubiwe? Ya, hue na kwaizubiwe. Kwaizubiwe, kwhen we are now in Kwiw Колabda, we have been treated by Sheda. The people who can look for response can go on. We are talking to Sheda, we are talking to Sheda and we want to control it. Kwaizubiwe, kwaizubiwe, we have been treated by Sheda sлюka matoès tu peivi. Tukoמכ tu kuonm virtuhm dAdam cameki. Bel dotato. Na lining udaya maihiwaf. Kutifucom, na kapana, ni建amahe. Na visa tablespoons nica wa kye. Kutifutu получится ni vaρωzi wa kukato. Razuh convenientu na ngaf intrinsic. Yah, hai ni pain less. Eya by the way ni painless. Is the reason why he's painless? Hai na pain, hukia tu nga pain. Iho painu na imaging tu kwa kichu. Uza kuwa. Boza mo na painu. Uza kwa na painu. Boza rinjina kukatohitao. Rinjina kukia. Uza kim자 painu. Uza kimina kikita mo mma kakwa mbiye ni taku piga, ajaku piga rekinini taku piga peki. I want to tell you about ongoing research and I'm going to let another option on the table. So ongoing research projects that are going on now on milk contraception, so the research are optimistic that a safe, effective and diverse method of milk contraception will eventually come to reality, though it's still several years to come and this is called hormonal contraception that where the synthetic or man-made hormones will be used to temporarily stop the development of sperm in you that something will be injected in you that will control, that will bar the manufacture of sperms like now sperms will not be manufactured in you so you will be just there sterile, you are sterile like you are not fertile they are developing it so that it will be reversible so that when you are taking this pill so that injection then they are not produced in you during that time can you now take this, tell us what you think about this first sperm this one, like you know the reason why for ladies they have a lot of side effect it's because what they use for them it goes and it tempers with the hormones and so if this one has that option of tempering with the hormones then for me what comes to my mind is side effects when you are talking about like that is the reason why the options for ladies like for me this one now this one is also not but we said it's reversible so you like it is going to temper with the production of sperms and that production of sperms is related with the hormones these are hormones that are responsible for the production of sperms so tempering with it it means something else that will bring more side effect why do I think? because the ladies think that we are very selfish we don't want to help them in these things now even the another option is coming and you started protesting well let us maybe get the view of the problem in the house the problem in the house there is this one that is like permanent not permanently but temporarily stop the production you are worried about kukatwa and you also worried that this sperms they are produced and they are piling you may bust now they are coming up with a method that is stopping the production altogether what do you think? I think it is a bit positive kidogo but bad only no what is this? what is this? we have to understand that our sisters after kumazaiso, kikilaiso pills one has to change body size and some developments are not affected in their body so we have to understand that we have to understand that we have to understand that the problem with kumazaiso is what is the problem in the house we have to understand that what if there is something positive that may come the side effect will be more brainy we have to understand that don't you think this can also happen because there are also positive effects like kukisema, we have to understand that we have to understand that we have to understand that we have to understand that we have to understand better but we have to understand that but we have to understand that we have to understand that look directly there and tell lady something in 30 seconds and then you tell man something in 30 seconds in light of this population control and birth control and all that we are still in the world population day ladies to say ida netu fanya pati enu, si tu fanya pati etu kama kuenda kwa isopil sama kuwe kwa nasapot laki sisi wanahume boy child to say ida ladies to apeleke wa fanya iso vitu vizuri sana but sisi kazaen tu kuprovetu the family iso zingine lady suafanya Okay, Saifon Masai speak like a Christian now and speak like Masai and marry now these two things you wanting to support women and you wanting to you wanting to support women you being a Christian and you still wanting to be a man mix this thing and in 30 seconds talk to ladies and then in 30 seconds talk to man camera camera okay, let me start by saying this process comes when we are in the marriage and let me speak as a Christian here it's a union between two when it comes to marriage and when it comes to planning for what will happen in the marriage the two should really come together handy so for ladies I want to take the ladies and the man in the house they need to sit down and agree on what to do as far as family planning is concerned like if they agree in terms of is the lady who is going to take the implant let it be so if it's the man who is coming in to help the lady by saying I'm going for vasectomy let it be so but the main goal should be the family planning lady is going to take the implant and say to Frank and then say to Frank and say to Kuf Fina Fina Fina we will tell you somewhat but that was interesting guys we had a good conversation with the two gentlemen the only stalemate is that you are still not agreeing to support this but I can see in you you really need to support it's like you are saying that our hands are tied we really wanted to do this we are very sorry we are very sorry our hands are tied if there is anything you can do to support your lady in what she wants please do it that was very fruitful in France kama kutuma faya kama suji faya it was very interesting thank you for this you've been very supportive in why in the morning you've been with us all through we appreciate we don't take it for granted that you took time to be with us we are very thankful for the technical team the production team that made sure that this is possible the Obama Stella all those who are behind the camera Brenda Paul Jeffrey thank you very much and all of you who are supporting this may God bless you and I'm leaving you with a spotting short that if they sell away you can support your partner and friend please do it we can go on with this conversation because it was posted in all our social media let us go on with this conversation so that at the end of it we at least get a solution for now


Initially, Rafael invited me and asked me to talk about what's going on in Russia and how planning is organized in Russia. So in the end we think it's going to be also a discussion, not always a translation. So sometimes Rafael will say things from his own. He'll just translate to me. But now, okay, it was said that I'm going to present one of the projects we did as MLA class in Russia recently, but I want to give a bit of overview of what the Russian city is and what the Russian cities are about. So just so you understand what kind of challenges we have, what are we facing. So we're going to talk about the project that we're going to talk about in the gray belt, which is the one that we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the project that we're going to talk about in the gray belt. Okay, so Russia is a big country, as Brazil you could say. We have a little bit less inhabitants. Russia now has 140 million inhabitants. So we have a lot of cities and we have a lot of big cities. Not just Moscow and St. Petersburg, but also all the cities you can see here are one million and more people. So there's a lot to do for an urban climate. Okay, that's fine. That's good. So the interesting thing about Russian cities is that they're all more or less the same. They have the same layers and they're structured in the same way. So if you go one city you can work and the other is more or less. So each Russian city has a historical core and that's usually a grid city. Like Rio, where you have a grid structure that has been filled in over time. So the grid city basically started in the 18th century. This is the map of St. Petersburg from 1776. That's where the classical planning in Russia started. And after that the Russian tsar and tsarist said that every city in Russia should be planned just as good as St. Petersburg. Every city should get a classical power. So basically each city center became a grid structure. You could say different years, different master plans. These are the first master plans that ever were done for the Russians. And they also had the typical buildings for all of these plans. And that's how the city looked. This is St. Petersburg, the main street of St. Petersburg. This is how it looked before. And this is today, so basically you can see not much has changed. The city center is still from the 18th century, from the 19th century. So what you see in red is this historical fabric, historical core, that actually was developed in the classical plan. Referring a bit that Raphael produced a nice poster with avant-garde images introducing this lecture. And I wanted to say that actually in the 20s and 30s there were a lot of thoughts how cities should be planned in Russia. But the thing is that at the time there were no money, so nothing happened. So after the war in 1940s and 1950s actually when Stalin came in power this classical planning was back on. They started doing classical plans again, so like no avant-garde, but nobody was interested in avant-garde. So they were building big streets, classical ensembles, you could say.  And that's the plan for St. Petersburg. And the plans for all the other cities were going as the same. Even in St. Petersburg they planned a city extension that would go outside of the historical core. This was the plan. In 1935 you could see this was the master plan for St. Petersburg. The reason I'm saying is that actually these city parts are quite good and quite interesting. They have good fabric. And they're just, in every city they just take one small part. They're just small pieces inside it, only the central core. If you see the map of the normal Russian city then red part is something that was designed until 1950s. Red part is before 1950s. So just what do we do with planning these parts now? There's obviously historical preservation. There are strategies to densify these places and of course we try to improve public spaces so the governments and also public authorities try to improve public spaces. But then there's a next layer. We could say around this historical city, historical core, there's a layer of what we call grey belt. Grey belt is industrial areas. Industrial areas of the first industrialization period, like end of the 19th century. And it could have some working factories, but a lot of them look like this, so like this, a bit abandoned. And if you look at St. Petersburg, this is where the people are, the check-ins and Twitter. So you could easily say where the center is. And then in between here, the zone that is empty, that's the grey belt. So the historical core, whatever is grey here, it's colored to grey normally. That's the grey belt. And then the further layers that I will show now will be grey. That's considered. So each city, not only in St. Petersburg, every Russian city has it, and that's a general problem for all of them because these areas are sitting just next to the historical core and they're kind of abandoned. So St. Petersburg, at least, is a city that has a very good industrial center and it ends up being a problem. And that's what I think is the most important thing, that the historical area is abandoned. More potential. Yes, abandoned, but it has to be done by you. So what is going on there now, there's private interests and private developers trying to do in film master plans but also cities are looking at the strategies of the bigger, how do you make these parts of the city work? Actually, 80% of the build fabric in the Russian city happened after 1950s. And 80% was built later, in the last 50-60 years. And that's when they developed prefabricated construction. That's when they started building cheap. In 1955, there was a law in the Soviet Union that said the buildings should have low decoration on them, so it's prohibited to have any decoration, it should be as simple as possible. So, you know, the Soviet citizen was supposed to have a typical product and the buildings also became like a typical product. Everywhere the same, in the country, the same types of buildings were developed. And in urban planning, what they developed as a unit was called, in Russia it's called Viterayon, or micro-district, that has the residential buildings, the school, key requirements and the shop. It's not so micro, because it's usually one kilometer by one kilometer without any streets inside, so it's like a big vinyl unit. But it's called Viterayon. And that's what they started building after. So like, just the typical building standing in a big vinyl unit. A bit like in Brasilia. But more, more of those. But in the 1980s they learned how to make them curry. Yes, vinyl structures started to look like that. It looks like the housing hall in the middle. Yes, but there's only one, and here we have all our cities that are built in this space. This is the usual picture, you would say, you cannot even recognize which city it is, because every Russian city has that. So, in San Petersburg, all these colors, the different colors, you would say different areas, different types of buildings, but they're all the same, where we solve these colors, the stuff is built later. We can say that this problem with these big areas, big Soviet construction, has not yet been done. So nobody knows what to do with them. There are people here, there are no strategies around there. People own them, so that's going to be a problem later on. So, what is the problem today? There are many cities, many cities, many cities. To be honest, you don't know what to do with them. The problems are not solved yet. And there are some challenges, there are situations that are not solved. These are products, either again, this metro region produced by private developers or a settlement produced by private developers, like more like an integrated community. And these are usually placed outside of the city or at the city outskirts, so creating urban sprawl. And they, you could say, this is the type of problem. So what is happening in the planning and what Russian planning is doing now, actually they support these private investments. These are the built fabric of the city, as they are today, and as they are drawn in the master plans. So the official city regulations actually allow for all these sprawl to happen. You could compare these different cities, like the Ufa, for example, they want to build seven bridges across the river just to allow these inspections. And actually you could say that population is not growing. So they double the city, without doubling, without increasing population. So above all, you can see how these buildings are today, and in part, the planning of the official city, where you see what is being planned for these sprawl to happen. So the population is not growing, so the truth is, the population is not growing. Same is happening in these new standard groups. These are the places where the buildings are being built now. So you could see there more on the outside of the city. And these are like one unit is being built in here, every year. And even more is being built outside of the city, so like in the city region, really sprawling outside. And if we think about traditional sprawl like in America, this is a Russian sprawl. So what is being built is very super dense neighborhoods outside of the city. Super beautiful. So basically what I am showing you these images is that what is being built now is like this outside layer. You know, we are building a lot of square meters on the outside, but what we want to do? We want to start building inside within the city, redevelop. As the urban planners in Russia who try to introduce what we can do, not to follow the market, we think that that is our aim and our goal, because about 30% of the areas are not used. So this project that we did in this competition this year was exactly about saying, how do we start redeveloping these areas? So this project that we did in this competition this year was exactly about saying, how do we start redeveloping these areas? It was arranged by the city, so it was the initiative of the city to start talking about this subject. So this is the area they were giving us for the competition, so it sits in between the historical core and in between the social literary and social city. So basically this is the first question we put ourselves, we ask ourselves, if that is the classical St. Petersburg identity and this is the normal social, I don't know, you call it Triana, everyday city, what is this place in between, what kind of identity can it get? So again, we started looking at what is already there, because when you work with any area in the city, you never start from scratch, there is some life that was there before. And this is showing again Twitter, so the bright, where life is there. You should understand this game, this is 4,000 hectares, so quite a big area, 4,000. So actually what we found out is that there are some places that already work like small urban towns or small urban villages within the area. So we started our work with re-analysing what is there and what are the constraints, what are the problems, what doesn't make it develop like big infrastructure, obviously railways and polluted land and these kind of things. But at the same time we tried to find some positive things like historical heritage or green networks that we could combine and build something out of them. And of course we walked everywhere and that was the most interesting part, because these are the places you normally don't go. I think that's the most interesting part of the game, where you go to five places. This is, you could say, like one kilometer away from the city center or something like that. This is not a part. And you could even find some more stuff, like a lot of things that you can find in the city center or something like that. And you could even find some more strange things. So basically these are like areas where people hold land but they don't do anything, so they use it as a parking for cattle and for other crops. We tried to find also something that we could start upon for work space, so we identified factories that are working or big plants that are working and the small stars are actually showing research institutions. So in some of the time there was a lot of research institutions, they're still operational and there are a lot of them are located here. And some of them are developing into more like a greenhouse house. So that was the whole picture. And what we understood for ourselves is that we cannot come up with a big project. So that's not something that will solve easy problems of design because there are a lot of problems and we have to start from somewhere. So what we wanted to do is to create conditions for this place to develop. So we were doing this project for the city and what we wanted the city is to create conditions for this place to develop. So basically we have created several strategies that should work for this whole area. The third strategy was about linking it together because one of the biggest problems of the area is that it doesn't have enough connections. So what we wanted to do is to create a connection with the railway to build more streets across the railway and basically to create green network corridors. The railway is already there but to use it for public transportation. At the moment railways are used on different routes. So this railway goes to the port that's also going to close soon. So all this area will not need the port. So what we found interesting with this green network is that actually there is a lot of small pockets of nature along the railways and along the abandoned lands that could become a new structure in this whole area. So the second strategy that we proposed to the city is that you should not develop or you should not look at this area as one thing. But actually if you start looking at different nodes because nodes like public transport, public transport, metro or railways stop and then around it there is something that you could take a small city. So in the end you define a third of these different neighborhoods that could be then built separately. Basically you define a structure for them. And what we wanted is that each of these neighborhoods gets mixed use. So in the beginning in the brief they asked us to do 30% residential, 30% industrial, 40% building. But we always wanted to be mixed inside small blocks, small neighborhoods. So in the requirements we wanted to make sure that 30% residential, 30% building, 30% industrial, 40% building, 30% industrial, 40% building, 30% industrial, 40% building. And basically this percentage in the brief because they want to stop developers to build only housing. They want to have mixed use neighborhoods and so they start introducing new measures because otherwise developers build only housing. So inside this competition we had an overall strategy but we also had to look at one of these neighborhoods as a zoom in. And basically what we are trying to develop as a plan here is something that would correspond to our principles or to our understanding of what should be the next St. Petersburg giving environment. In general because we think we should not be there, we should start building inside the city again. Ok, so here again we had different neighborhoods and we wanted each neighborhood to be mixed and depending on where it is located. I told them this is located near this central station, near the train station so that it has more of the offices, has students, housing. So this is one of the examples where there is a metro station, where there is a commercial station, where there are students, for example. So what we wanted is the city to be complex and to be better. So the idea is that this part of the city is complex and diverse. So we also for the neighborhoods that are lying next to the historical center because over there from the top the historical city fabric stands over. So we wanted to create blocks that would be the same shape, the same form and also possibility for workshops that more can leave units inside them like traditional housing. So we wanted to be like the place where you work, leave at the same time. And these beats after the public was our reply to what is new in Kareon-Globi where you still have the school in the center but the school becomes also the hub for the neighborhood. So in some way it started with the introduction of the Bicro-Ray, which is one of the super quadros that we are going to talk about here. But in other cities, in other cities of use, it has a new interpretation of the school and the community services. What we tried to do, we tried to save all the historical heritage that was on the site and integrate it. And so this was, let's say, the overall story or the overall plan that we produced and that we are still discussing in the city. But at the same time we started, we got a commission from the developer to continue on the site we've been looking at. So the interesting thing is that when we end the competition we could be free to propose what we wanted, to propose how we see the mix, how we see saving the heritage, how we see different technologies. And when we are facing now the real developer, they have their own demands. For example, this growing is the land ownership on the site. So you can understand that there is a lot of interest on the site. And our developer only owns this little plot, but he wants to make deals with the bidets, so let's say our first piece in the brief is that we should put as many square meters as we can here. And on the small plots, schools in the gardens and all the rest. We are trying to do our best. We are still trying to make sense out of what they, we are still trying to make it a good place. So this is how the plan looks now, it's, I think it has, let's say much less of the different diversities, because all the developers tend to sell specific product to Russia, more like a bid. Now, now actually they tend to sell quarters more. Like they want to know. They don't want to be Korean, they say they don't want to be Korean, but in the end... This is my last image here. This is work in progress now, we are still working on this project, not submitted. So what we are doing here in this project is you could say a consultancy for the developer that will then put it into the middle plan. So in Russia, actually developers are allowed to produce middle plans, and that could, because right now this whole area is zoned for industry. And they want, if they ever do anything there, they have to do housing or these things too. So they have to reduce first a plan that would change zoning for them, and then they could start rebuilding. It's a luxury, it's a luxury. We have to move all the cities, but they can make an issue, so they can be the client for this one, and that's what they're doing. Hello, your question. Of course, what they do that they don't do in the city, they try to negotiate with the city government before. And there is an important person in the Russian city, which is called the head architect, who should be approved or not approved this decision. And I have found more sites, since Erufe asked me to talk about the planning structure in Russia. You don't know that? I'm not going to talk about this site, this is the planning structure of the city, if you want me. We are going to talk more about the planning structure of the city. She's asking about the, because in the past, during this time, when it has the industrial area, was that owned by the public sector or was it already private? And how was this transition? It was public and civil, and then they started selling these different pieces, became either private or sometimes they're civil owned by the federal government, by the city government. Now it's really difficult, because at some point they allow to buy or to create these other products. In order to deal with this situation, because it's impossible to redevelop industrial zones in front of the landowners, this year they created a new legislation that's like, will be better in purchase. So if they, for example, this area, they could pull it, like, especially for development, and then they have to sell it within one year. It's not possible to do this kind of business. It's not possible. Thank you for your, like, I think we have some, I think we have some questions for you. We're on the table to decide what to do, and maybe we'll talk about that. You are absolutely right. This competition was announced as a competition for ideas, so they didn't promise any realization, and they didn't call developers in the beginning. I don't know why, but I think sometimes the government is still trying to play it with developers. This door or against this door? Yes, because it's much more interesting if you had all the developers on the table. Since it's a big area, it's a big area. Well, that's a good question. Right now, they say in Russia there's 25 square meters per person of houses, and they want to reach 40. So, let's say without increasing the population, they want to basically do around 30% of the system. That's the whole issue. Yeah, I think it's also something similar in how they predict the best people will live in each house. So in the best three persons will be living in each house, and not one person. So the population is still the same, but there is a need to build more houses. Because also because the market privatizes, so people now have a better understanding of this place. But it's still a good question, because I don't believe it. Because it's just something that the developers say to build a lot of crappy housing fast, and in the end that will be a real problem. Because it needs to be placed like it was outside of the system. But at the moment, the government really supports cheap housing, and they even, you know, if they put a lot of this investment in those kind of things, they support it. Yeah, that's a good question. I have a question first, about the issue of... If when the compulsive was in the state, if the developers participate in the compulsion of the compulsion, once and then, only once, they will interact with the plans, right? Because when they are in the state, after they arrive in the next state, they will change. I want to hear from you. In the end, the compulsion started with the idea of the city, the compulsion was only 10 years old, so it didn't have a purpose to interact with anything. But after the second state, with the control of the state, they will be able to do both things. In the end, when the compulsion is in the state, they will have to build so many new buildings in the city. And we were expecting that there will be less people living in each house. That is to say, she said that until then, what was the rate of the new buildings per house? It was exactly the rate of the new buildings per house. Yeah, it was. So at the end of the day, they will have to build 5 square meters for each person. 200 meters, and they will have to build 40 square meters for each person. So they will have to build it. But it's a paradox because they say they want 40 square meters per house. But the average plan of now being built in Russia is 28 meters. But we have hope that we believe that it's going to change because right now we are working for another developer who said it was building very big neighborhoods. And it's all the same. Now he invited us to think what we can go out and because it doesn't sound good. So anyway, when all these paradoxes and constructions come together, I don't think it's going to change anything. Very similar to you. Very similar to you. Very similar to you. So, more questions? Yeah, I have one question. What extent does the population have access to each house? And how much participation is involved? Officially, there is only one instrument for them to involve themselves. It's like an instrument of public representation of the project. That's usually done when the project is already done. So I know they put it in the administration here. The project might involve time with something, repetition, but it's not important. It's a bit of an obvious thing because even if people come, or some exit boards, if they want to build a house in the park, then there's been cases, yes. But usually, sort of public participation is not something very important. People in government don't really want to do it. It's too long and the only efficient procedure that they should do is at the end of the project to confirm that nobody is against it. If the project is ready, then there will be public representation and people will be able to say whether they want it or not. But I think it's going to involve a lot of things. I mean, people who don't write a book, they make a big representation, but in general, there will be more participation. But of course, it's easier to discuss the national language. And now there's a lot of activism. So they're trying to now see how they participate in the project, not to talk about the space projects. So for parts of the spaces, they want to invite people to contribute to the design. That's how it became a long-winded process. So now there's more and more participation, there's more pressure, participation and activism, etc. So the trend here is to start this process in a more previous stage of the planning. And this is already happening in the public examples. So this part of the project is being discussed and we need to contribute to the project. I didn't tell you much about the existing area, but the existing area is actually a freight ground, so there's not much there on the site. So that's what we're going to do today. So basically this big orange is just a railway track, so there's nothing to be preserved. And here as well, so it's going to be in these specific cases. And the only building that has a historical heritage, our plan goes through most. Okay. Unfortunately it's a good question, So it's really hard to keep the nest out of this, because they take a lot of any and they don't feed their object. So here we go about it, but normally it's to be fight for every sort of heritage that's still building. And that's something that the seeds should also support, because otherwise, the developers have no idea. These guys, they own a super beautiful plant here, and now they're really just a million sets of them. So, in fact, it's really hard to convert these industrial things, because the general question that you use, as we do, is, in fact, the importance of the industrial components is that it doesn't have to be a factory, it has to be a factory, it has to be a factory. The problem with Saint Petersburg is that they put a million under preservation of heritage and you cannot do anything there. And it just falls apart, so it falls apart. There is this whole thing, so we need developers that will, we use industrial heritage to get out of preservation. This is something that we need developers to be able to do, and we need them to be able to do the things that they want to do. What about with targets, for example, like young people? 80% of projects or anything down in Russia is actually being done with private money. So whatever sells, we'll do it. They could try, now they could try finance. If they don't sell, they try small resets, if they make small apartments for students, they could try different things, but it's still a big private apartment. So right now, what they were doing was the small apartments. I can tell you the projects that they're building now, when developers, they start selling before the project is finished. So they start selling more grand-games of images and they see what's up. They often get the change in the grid, so they tell us what is more of this one, more smaller apartments, so it's always the best. She's asking if there was any research about who would concentrate in this right now? For ourselves, we haven't any, as you were saying, that they said the young people and the students who rent in the city center, they would want to be here for sure. And actually, who could be for them? Developers now don't want to be. But the city was to start a new program called rent housing, so they want to start building houses for rent. And I think these great areas are perfect for this project. This is just our last year in this program, so I think it's going to be great. At first, the young people and the students would want to be here for sure, because there aren't many people living in the city center. So I think the city center has a new program that started last year, which is rent housing. So I think it's a good part of this community to be here for rent. But what they did was, in front of the houses, who financed that, and how do you ensure that? They built it all the way, they opened it, or something else, or something else. So this is a 20% percent, because 8% are private developers. But I mean, they didn't have to. So as you can see, about 80% are these private entrepreneurs, and 20% aren't here, and 70% of the public are in this program of rent. It's a rent program, so you're going to rent a apartment or you're going to have to rent a house. That's what you're going to do. Well, the rent is a very simple thing, but it's a very simple thing. But what happens in Brazil is that most of these houses here has no income. So there's a big lack of payment. There's a lot of market. So maybe more than that. If you think about it, you don't know about that. You don't know how to do that. You can't do that. And you can see how it's coming this area. It's coming by the guys. You know, the team is the capital sector. But so is there a... I mean, the context of this sort of question is, is there also a whole big lack of technicians in the city, also, in municipalities, in order to allow the money to take over? No, no. Actually, in Russia, in the Soviet times, they had planning institutes that were associated with the administration. And they had hard times in the 90s and they got very small salaries. But then, these are part of... So they still... We saw money somewhere. But these institutes, they're there, in terms of they're doing all the engineering plans, like infrastructure plans, bigger master plans for the city, this is all being done. That's not a problem. Problems, I would say, in Russia, only of land, that's being sold for different purposes. So sometimes, irrational, absolutely irrational. Like if you say, every month for a city, they... If you calculate every store meter, they allocate each of the... Each city should double their... You know, every month. Of course, that's how the reality is about each... Every zone. What... What makes the reality is that cities don't have money, we need infrastructure everywhere. We have schools everywhere, they don't have money for first-person. So then they... People move there, they don't take a look at us, we're responsible for some... So the problem is, it goes to the planning, but enforcing the planning legislation. And making sure that these developers don't have to go to the drive to play a fair game. They also participate in the infrastructure, or that they know that it must develop that direction. So that's what our problem is. We're going to go down through some formal... formal operations, because the cities are amazing, obviously. To control the... to control the... the... I mean, process. Yeah, but what I mean is, once the private developers try to go to... to make the buildings, they have to enter private buildings themselves, because they want the money back. That's okay, but the question is where they build the buildings. They build the whole site of the city. The city has to provide a space for the... for the... for the... for the city to... for the city to... for the city to... for the city to... for the city to... for the city to... put the markets there, and see how... for example, these people, But what we want to do now, in Russia, is to change from life, to helping to plan the projects. Because it is just a problem, it's a problem. There is a big, big, big problem. But if you plan for a year, like very well, then okay, what's the next step? What's the implementation? Who should do it, you know, pre-forever? Who should do it, railway infrastructure, and so on. So that's something we try to do not to establish more project-based voices inside the administration. Because by the end of the year, the implementation is a problem. But if you say before the implementation, what's the problem? It's a problem. So you have a mission now. You have to be outside of the mission. Any more questions? No. It's just something that I would say, because we were talking about stuff. I was previously interviewing Yana, because he studied it. I kind of started research planning in different cities. And that's how I came to Yana and found out very interesting what was going on in Russia. Because she was in Brazil, I thought that we should have a discussion and share these ideas. But I have some other questions, which I was talking to her. The first thing that I was very curious about was Russia and its definition. Why cities make plans? Why this project come to Brazil? And this seems to be the result of a project that I started to do in some cities. I started to make plans in different ways. And then I started to talk to her. And she asked me if I wanted to do some research. So I'm lying here. The first question she asked was, why does Russia make plans? What is the mission of Russia? I don't know. Because I think there will be a lot of people in Brazil. And there are some things that will happen. Like all the cities in the city, you can't write it down, you can't write it down on the right. There are some things that will be very strong. So I'm lying here. I started to create this mission. And she said that she was going to answer what she said. The mission of Russia. And she said that she had a torture to death. So in Russia there is a very strong management culture that comes from this communist era, that has been planned for the rest of the country. You need to be able to contribute to the work that will be done in the country. So it's a variance of the Soviet system that comes today. The management systems still exist. There are a lot of them. So there is a management culture. So the management systems are always there. And I have recently, since I was born in the United States, so I'm very happy that I can continue as a communist and a communist, to have influence on the country. So this is the first thing. And the second question that I have got for her was how do the scioners, the Bayernists, how do they participate in these plans? Because my intention is to have a lot of interest So maybe you can talk a little bit about how the four organized competitions and this kind of thing have all highest plans, you know, just a little bit. I know you already said something that the private sector can also make plans, but in general. There is an additional plan that's active, so they're like, we're the laws that say each month should be made, so the plan for the whole country, the month of the region, the last month of the city, turn a single government. But aside from that, often the legal documents don't really handle the program, so they're very general about everything. So for example, that's being very efficient in Moscow, because yes, they need the plan for the neighbor, the whole strategy for the regeneration, the whole strategy for, again, for like, regenerating the brain without eggs. Then now they are doing, redoing all the streets in the city, so they created, like, the plan and strategy for renewing all of the streets. And so that's because the mayor there sells it as his projects, so he wants his projects. So the government basically becomes a client for these type of bigger projects. But the government doesn't project that often, and the people don't present for the new, so they arrange, like, if it's an environment, then developers have to pay for them parts of the environment. But the projects are initiated by the government, and I think this is the best in that case, the most efficient. Well, one of the things she said in the middle, is that it depends on the management in general, as we've already talked about the city with all the management systems, which in the end are not implemented, especially with the management. But depending on each city, whether it's in a defense or whatever, it's definitely implemented by the government. It's a political issue, I don't think it's going to be implemented with that. So in the end here, the focus is on a specific area where the city is really implemented. So, to give the example of this project, the RIVO, that has been established, that, in any case, it's the generation of the RIVO, so it has the doors, the parts of the RIVO, so it has some basic systems that have 3 minutes. And then the incorporators, we have to take a step forward from the 3 minutes of it, whatever it is, we call it participation, a new public-private partnership, even though the RIVO is being built to execute part of the plan, part of the public space, etc. There's another idea that was initially conceived by RIVO, but in this case, for example, of Moscow, was there a competition to select a team or is there a way to manage it? Usually, the group of teachers who just raise awareness of the project, they most frequently actually chose the team that the project made for the competition, yes. The group of teachers, not only to do projects after the competition, sometimes they do a competition to make this project, to bring it into public ground, because if you do a competition, it becomes important to be able to start talking about everybody who sees these problems there, or sees those things there. So sometimes it doesn't result directly into the project, but it doesn't result later. For me, there's a part of us, because they mentioned the competition, the project, to the public ground, but there's no participation in the end with the population. It's more about planners and it's more about the city and the developer's right. It's less about the city and its population debating the plan and asking for changes. For now, yes, for now, yes, because this is a population journey, so population also needs to learn how to participate, why to participate, and sometimes it depends. When you have a CTA, you are like, this week, it's hard to do participation, because it's just too weak. But often when you do a competition for a small part, they start with about the consolidation and they start with that. But I think population in Russia, like extra population for being there is still not so active. It's just developing. Last year we worked on the last one for the CTA book, and we have like 100 experts involved and always talking from the people who say for public that more experts. So it's very complex to do a project for a public opinion, for people to participate, but there's no other way to do it. It's to do it together with the organizers. As I said earlier, in fact, the same people will only see the plan when it's already very ready. But in the end, it's responding and in the end it's changing. So that's the history of Russia. The first situation starts in 1991, and we're going to end it now. We're starting to bring the participation a little bit closer to the initial stage of the project. So my opinion is a little bit closer to this transition, too. And now, I mean, CTA is already working on a project, but we're already having a starting point. I think this question is very interesting, because when I was working on it, I also thought about the question of the participation, because everyone talks about it, of course it's very important, but we have to think about how these things are going to work. Imagine that someone makes a plan, a plan, a plan, a plan, and everyone who comes here wants to make a plan and wants to make a plan. So I think this is a great challenge for the humanist. And what role do the humanists, who are specialists in humanism, play in the plan? Yes, we're all here. So if you want to make a plan, you can make a plan, but what if you want to make a plan? I don't know. This is a very interesting project. Now, I also have a question about participation. Why do you have cooperation here? I think I would like to do part of the cooperation that you have here. How to get part of the cooperation? Medical. Medical cooperation. Yes.  Yes, what is CTA part of the partnership? Exactly. I see from participation. I also did a little bit of a project in last year, which is a start. It's very difficult also to make people come to the meeting and to let people come, and then they never show up, and then they never show up in the end, and they don't want anything. So it's really difficult to make people come. Well, probably the participation is general, but it's in September and May. Or here, you know, who is participating, who are the people who should be participating or not. And then they crash because they also do. And for public participation, they do general projects, like, for example, they did some of those all, but that's also not. So every season, who's like me, or the website, the idea of what they want and then who discusses the idea is not. And often, these ideas are very much about public space improvements. So somehow, they learn that you move in and invite people to these public space discussions. It's a happy, but you get an intersection with the public space. So we're talking about how people really act according to the plan. Of course, there's a demand to participate, well, in the civil democracy, people think that they should participate, and so on, but in the end, it's all up to you to do the same thing. You have to do the same thing for the project and the plan. And then, the people who say they want to do that or that it's a mutation, in the case of Moscow, they would start like this and the people would go to the website and put it in the experience. And all these questions about Moscow were talking about Rotterdam. They would come up with a composition that would be difficult to even build. It was at least a couple of years ago from Rotterdam's prefecture.  And then people would go to the site of Rotterdam and they would go to the city more. It would be an online appointment. In the city of Rotterdam, we want to have experience and not to go to the city where people are looking at. So it's the full definition of the question. Sometimes, the stack of stack, I don't know, I remember it was a project. All the land, all the land was in the wind and I think we could think that it was the land and the people were going to the project. It's not complicated, it's the economic percentage, in other words, the city hall, in addition, and people who vote for the finalists and in the end, the jury, it's not sex, it was the public who wanted it, but it was not any futile, it was a drug attack. It was like a green office act, but it was not made for the public. But it was made by... Very interesting approach by thinking in small, structures of the city and planning the micro-scales. But in another way, I can say, can you do yourself that we did that on the end, the bigger I want is being reproduced in this grey belt, what should be the purpose of it? So who got the money to do the things? We do the same thing in the suburbs. So what we can assume is they're cutting costs, they okay, it's too expensive for the government to put all these infrastructures so far away, so let's just bring our projects closer where we already have some infrastructure, because it's in the center of this period. But then, yeah, what's going to happen if they be growing up? They would never have the infrastructure, but it's nice to think in a micro-scale, but what I'm asking is, if just because of these grey belts, it's not a way of bringing in grey belts, like what will become of the new grey belt? And as you said, there are owners of the apartments, and certainly the price you go down, they will not be able to sell their apartments to live in the new grey belts. How are we dealing with this true design, what design can make it to benefit these people with this infrastructure? That's a very radical question. Hopefully you found an answer according to Russia's so far. There's no, I haven't, this meeting is discussed for the last 10 years, and I haven't seen many projects that we weren't really mentioning, because there is really a big problem with grey belts, which means individual ownership of apartments. So that means you cannot want to continue without paying anybody, and it was also, in some parts, they didn't know about that, they didn't want to try experiments, and they haven't done anything, so they didn't know for a minute. So for now, for the grey belts that they've been doing they don't know the things about it right now, because this will be a real problem. What we can do about this right now, I also don't, maybe I really don't know. What do you think, in general, is that what will you try to do is to solve this problem, because if you look inside, you see there are a lot of new people, but if that's your... Well, and again, I agree with your point, and certainly that we are bringing this big career along to the center, two reasons for that, legislation, and apparently a lot of people trying to save money. Legislation, in Russia, is difficult, but in North, they are designed in 1960s, and North say, how many people, how long do you work from the school? Six hundred years. You should not work from the school. And because of that, you get the career, it's really, really hard, and the only developers are after changing it. Otherwise, because they have to really reapply to do something against the rules. If you just follow the rules, you get a new career, because it was designed in 1960s, and it's the cheapest model. Because in the Soviet times, they designed less jobs, less infrastructure, the cheapest model. This is something that's hard to see now. There is a debate about changing legislation, and hopefully it will be done, so that each team now can change the legislation, and that's, in some part, being done, but similarly. So, I haven't shown you what was really being done, very well. Yes, it's important. Because they really, really created the center. And that's done by private companies. So, what we try to discuss with the government here is that they should, they should set up their speciality, special regulations, because they don't get to be feeling the center. So, to finish, I have a question. He asked, what happens then, with the support of this new problem that the organizations face, because once you're creating this new area, this gray belt, it's regenerating, it's going to be more expensive, it's going to be a much better quality. So, what happens with that area? You see the bandone here, in a certain way, right? And the value of that area, I think it's something almost completely wrong, but it's really a very complex question, because you can't transform those areas, because they are private companies, so if you want to transform that area, you have to try to do the same, so it's almost impossible. And in some areas, when you have 5 areas, you can buy it, but when you're in a private company, you have to do it in the same place, so it's a very difficult area, but you have to think about how to deal with those projects, especially with a regulation, which is closed, it's a very complicated area, so you have to do it in a certain way, so you can transform something that you already know, so it's really necessary for you to have a regulation to be able to transform that area. I would like to thank everyone who came, to attend the meeting, to use it in the afternoon, and all the complicated questions, and I would like to thank Yonah Popere, for the schedule, for sharing your ideas, and thank you Yonah for coming, for sharing your ideas, and taking a little bit of your holiday time, to share your thoughts about the rest of the system. Thank you very much, for having given us the space to organize the budget, and for supporting us.


All right. All right. All right, man I feel like I'm just super late to the party I could not wait to get in front of this computer so I can see this trailer I mean just like everybody we knew that the trailer was gonna drop today I knew it was gonna drop around 8 in the morning, but unfortunately I have to be at work at that time So I was at work this morning and everybody at work There's like a fan of coming book and stuff like me. Hey B You know the captain Marvel trailer just came out man. Did you see it? It's awesome like no I have not seen the trailer yet. I got to react to it. I am not gonna watch it until I get home man It's amazing. It did this. No Just don't spoil it for me. Just be quiet So I had to try to get all my work done so I can try to get home and leave at 5 I usually leave at 6 but I get off at 5 I'll leave at 6 get that overtime But I had to make sure I got my work done as I was leaving today my boss Like it was like hey B. Can you help me with I'm like, no I cannot help you with this The captain Marvel trailer has come out. I got to go home and watch it and react to it.  So anyway guys, I am very excited about this Marvel Studios. We got this movie coming out next March. I believe is the day. Yes, it is next March I almost had like a little brain fart right there And I'm a casual fan of captain Marvel or miss Marvel and Marvel as I'm pretty sure is gonna be in this trailer With Jewel also, you know, I got my trailer ready and pulled up ready to go check got my headphones check in Excitement level is through the roof Let's do this What was the video hold up? Y'all know she's as strong as the Hulk and Thor Wars in universal language, I know a renegade soldier when I see Never occurred to me that one might come from above Space invasion car chase Troopy told I was ready to hang it up till I miss you today So you're not from around here. It's hard to explain. I Keep having these Memories I See flashes.  I'm not what you think I am Like a little Super Saiyan or something March 2019 I Want to see that again that was just like a little teaser or whatever And I liked it But I want to see it again. I like that beat Hold on Let me get it right. Let me get it right. Let me get it tight Three two one here we go So she found out a space thousand to lock us the video because this isn't the 90s I Like that be who's gonna score man. I wish I had my blackbuster video card right now flip it out on you Wars in universal language I know a renegade soldier when I see Never occurred to me that one might come from above space invasion Big clock chase Truth be told. I was ready to hang it up till I miss you today So you're not from around here. It's hard to explain. I Keep having these Memories I see flashes.  We got the blockbuster references, you know to date the movie That's cool. Everybody used to know back in the day if you're At least 20 years and up Maybe 25 and up that you know if you're going to blockbuster, you know you having you a good-ass Night that night or that weekend make sure you'll wind them tapes though So they don't charge you a dollar or at least that's how it was in my neighborhood Okay, we this is taking back in the 90s. I'm glad that we have Clark Greg in here Also playing Colson, Samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury, of course. He has all of his hair I think we also got to see him with both of his eyes in the trailer too. Let me turn this down real quick I think he did have both of his eyes because he has the patch You know in modern day Yep, he got both his eyes or whatever. So is this film going to show us how? You know, he lost his eye or he lost sight out of his eye He didn't lose his eye. He just lost sight because in Captain America the winner soldier which came out of thing you were 2014 able 2014 He was like Captain America was like charred in the month like hey, bro, you know, you should have let me know The information I forgot it was worth where he's like last time I trust someone I lost an eye So are we going to see that in this movie? I can't wait I hoped we are or they kind of give some type of information as far as that's concerned because that is that would be very interesting Also, since this is dating in the past in the past, you know that we're going to get some information on Ronan the accuser Played by Lee Pace and if that is not his name my bad. I don't I don't I don't think I got that right for some reason But let me look Ronan, okay. Yeah, Lee Pace is playing Ronan. We also have Digimon Honsu Let's us free that was I just said it because that was the first time he popped up on the scene for me way back in He's playing Korath now. I could not stand Ronan the accuser in Guardians of the galaxy. I thought that was possibly one of the weakest villains in the whole MCU So now that they're going back in the past I hope that there will be some type of redeeming qualities that you know, the directors Can give these characters as far as directors is concerned I really never heard of them before other than them being a tacitist project here by the name of Anna Bowden and Ryan Fleck They've both teamed up a few times in past and a lot of TV series and things like that So they're also in charge of the script other people Jean Colin, Liz, Flayhive, Ryan Fleck, Meg, LeFavre Carly Mitz. Am I gonna get pronounced at least one name correctly? Nicole Perlman, Geneva Robinson and Roy Thomas. That is who is behind the the writing in this film something else that I like is that You know, Samuel Jackson, Nick Fury was just talking about, you know, hey, you know space and space alien invasions or whatever He says alien invasions Car chases or things like that high speed chases on the highway, you know I was about to hang it up until you know, I met you So it's just kind of nice to know that Carol Danvers or Miss Marvel Captain Marvel is the one that kind of kept Nick Fury in In check or kept him with shield or whatever and it looks like Captain Marvel is part of shield I also wonder if we're going to get some type of introduction to a sword in this movie And what sword is if you're a fan of the comics, you know, I already know what I'm talking about But basically sword is just an organization. It's just like shield, but in space and there's also a person that is over What I'm looking at right now is the Marvel Encyclopedia if you can look at that right there. I was trying to look up sword real quick because the person that's over sword is Mixed with human and alien DNA sent in world. Let me talk into my sentient world order and response department Was the semi auto Auto-automated. I don't think I said they were correctly division of shield charged with protecting earth from alien threats Abigail brand. Yep has been in charge of the organization. I think she has green hair. Yep. She does have green hair um If you want to Write y'all see that she's right there with the green hair uh Has been in charge of the organization since the founding sharing the directorship responsibilities of henry gritch During the dark rain. I am not going to read anymore uh, but anyway Uh captain marvel. She is powerful as hell And on any given day she I don't I don't want to go as far as saying that she can beat Thor or that she can Uh beat hulk, uh, I mean she can you know If they fought ten times she would probably win five of those times, you know, it would you know It flipped a coin, you know one of those. Well, I don't know. I mean Uh, I think hulk can buff at him because hulk he just gets stronger to angry He gets but we haven't seen that in the mcu. Hopefully we see it in avengers 4 Or whatever, but carol dambers is strong as hell. She got her powers from uh, jew law Now if you have netflix, I think it's on netflix I'm gonna look right now If you want to know more about carol dambers and miss marvel and all that you can go to netflix So there's a show called avengers earth might his heroes. I am not talking about avengers symbol that the updated cartoon Uh, that is okay. It's kind of hunky dory kitty Kind of childish to me, but then my I kind of gave up on it gave up on it But my humble was like no, but you gotta try man. It's pretty cool. Um So I started watching a few more episodes and it was cool. I haven't finished it though But earth might his heroes was off the damn chain and let me see is it still on Okay, I don't think it's on netflix right now anymore. Damn it. They should have it on there uh Because it's a good ass show and I was something that they cancelled they cancelled it because When avengers came out in 2012 the show was so successful They was like, well, let's cancel this show and do another show and model it just like the mcu Which I thought was a mistake But you know, hey, I'm not the one paying the bill over there and marvel slash disney um But yeah, man, I am freaking excited about this Something else that we saw in the trailer. We saw the scrolls The scroll invasion is just super serious What they can do is they can shape shift to any being that they like and so they infiltrate earth And they're probably already in earth. Well, of course, they end up we saw them in trailer But in modern day avengers and marvel mcu They're probably they try to Like in there was in the avengers earth moddies heroes and what they did is they infiltrated at least one scroll in every Organization globally and then that's when they attacked or whatever because they had all the information And so they can do something to me make themselves look exactly like me And they can also have all of my memories or whoever they're trying to mimic the personality is slightly different Um, even in avengers earth moddies heroes and in the comics and things like that, you know One of the avengers did get infiltrated and you know put away captain america It was a number of people. It's a very good story in avengers earth moddies heroes If you want to see it, I strongly do recommend it But she got her powers because well the version that I saw she was doing something with Captain marvel or or no not captain marvel um And like captain marvel is m a r hyphen V e l l Uh carol damons has some much respect for him that she wanted to mimic his name He is a kree from the kree empire the same as uh running the accuser He's kind of on the line between good and bad I think I could be wrong if I am let me know down in the comment section below But in the version I saw Curl had got a hit with some blast and she was also hugged up with something with captain marvel And through all that mess right there. She just got super bad as powerful now since um, Disney since the deal is still pending for Disney to acquire All the film and television for 20th century 21st century fox. I think it's gonna happen Uh, whoa, one of the x-men she actually gets her powers from captain marvel or whatever through some type of uh Doohickey or whatever, but uh, and looks pretty good guys. This is just a little trailer. I mean a little teaser Uh, brie larson is carol damvors as as we know. She was in the room. She was also in kong skull island Which came out a number a couple of years ago. Ben mendelsen is it ben mendelsen is in this Who else let's see who else who else who else? Whoo, I need to calm down because I am out of breath Because I have been under the weather. But anyway, uh, I'm super stoked about this. I'm super excited. I'm super crunk Who still says crunk? I don't know anybody else than I do that still says that guys But I cannot wait to see this movie. It's gonna be real good one great thing about 2018 Is we got two great back-to-back films with black panther and avengers infinity war It was three months apart But next year when they're coming out in march Captain marvel and avengers 4 is only going to be two months apart And it may even be seven weeks instead of eight because I think the world on shrewdie is is They may move it up again another week, but don't tell nobody you heard that here Tell them you heard it from the great vibe. Well, anyway guys That is just my opinion for the captain marvel first teaser trailer What did you think that you like it that you hate it? Did I turn you on did I turn you off? Do you agree with me or do you disagree with me? Let me know down in the comment section below Let's get this conversation going and keep it flowing If you like this video, go ahead and give me the thumbs up if not this far But you can still subscribe to my channel You can also look me up on social media facebook instagram and twitter all that good stuff It's right there at the bottom of the screen and I made it very easy by providing a link to all that good Stuff there in the description box below and guys almost forgot one thing in the trailer is uh, you had that old Older white lady in there with the glasses that curl dammers Knocked out that may be a scroll in the skies that she was like you ain't no human being you scroll come on You know i'm saying knock throughout to reveal herself. So I forgot about that But guys, uh, thank you so much again for tuning in and before you go Don't forget that my name is brennan Keith avery And that's just my opinion peace


This is stock number 10714. We are here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. You're new and used Sports car headquarters today. We are checking out this super clean 2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT This car has the 4.6 liter v8 motor and with this conversion package it pumps out 319 horsepower This car has been fully safety to and inspected by our service shop has a fresh oil and filter change all the Fluids have been checked and topped off and this car is all ready to go Performance white is the color we shoot all of our videos in 1080p 60 frames per second So if you have HD capabilities on your computer tablet or smartphone device turn them on right now Because it is definitely your best way to check out the car quality and condition wise before seeing it in person If you'd like to check out all the photos on this car in the upper right hand party screen is a link right to our website Click then check us out there comes with the polished aluminum 18-inch rims BF Goodrich G-Force 23550 r18 Z r18 tires and they have right around half the tread left on them This car is in really nice shape Front fenders in great condition didn't see any denser dings on that headlight lenses are nice and clear Front bumper is in amazing shape. 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