given that it's late. I'm am I able to share my screen up calling? Can you give Mr. Nolan sharing permission?  Great. Thank you. Okay, so thank you so much. Start with the this is the existing site plan the existing house of the one and a half story Cape. And so this is the existing site right here. There's an existing one car barrage that we're looking to replace with the two car and a master bedroom suite of which is essentially the project. Moving forward everybody can see the graphics correct? Yeah. Great. Yeah, this is the proposed site plan that shows the addition. We're conforming in all the setback requirements. The reason why we're before you is because of the size of the addition per section 5.4.2 E6. An addition exceeding 750 square feet. So this is the addition in red there and I'll just quickly go through what's in your packet. So this is the existing basement. You can see largely unfinished. There's a workout room and this is a partially finished basement with a laundry. This is the existing first floor kitchen, great room and then two smaller rooms over here and the single car garage and two bedrooms upstairs. So it's a pretty modest house. Just some existing pictures, additional Cape with an extension on the left hand side facing the street. I apologize for my printer quality. Now I'll get into the post. So we are looking to do a kind of fast forward to the first floor plan. That's where you can see the majority of it. So there's a, sorry, I can't see the whole thing. Okay. So this is the existing house here. We're looking to add a little bit of room off of the back here in infill in between the garage and the existing house with the guest office. This room exists currently. We're just enlarging it a little bit and it's mostly to create this new mudroom piece. So from the garage, there's a transition into the house where they have some closets. That's really, we're not really even enlarging the room. We're just kind of pushing it to the rear so we can get this mudroom in. Then here's the new two car garage on the same side. Then on the upper levels, it turns into the primary bedroom. You'll see that we achieve that with a dormer off of the back end off of the front. Elevations. So this is the existing, I forgot to mention, sorry, to another proposal that's a technically, I guess not for you is the front entry piece, which we'll be adding onto the house. I believe we can do by right. This is the proposed addition, garage off the side with the dormer and a match the existing style. Side profile showing the back, the rear, the armor and the rear addition. This is the rear. This is the elevation that you don't see too much of the addition on except for the front entry piece and a computer model image of what the addition will look like. Similar, it's clapboard style. I know that image is a little grainy. Clapboard to match the existing, it's a white house, so we're going to match the color. We have black windows with six over sixes and we're proposing to match that in the existing, I'm sorry, in the proposed. The armor is bigger than the small little age rumors off the existing house get space needed for that for the master bedroom. That's the extent of the presentation. I'm happy to field any questions. Thank you. Looking at this image itself, I'm very pleased that the garage is staying back away from the front of the building. I think that it helps to keep the scale down and keep it back. The driveway, I just want to make sure you're aware that the town, the maximum width for driveway is 24 feet, so just making sure that you keep that in mind. Then the only other thing is the dormer that you're proposing for the front of the addition. Did you look at all into extending the Eve line all the way across, rather than breaking it for the dormer? Yeah, we did. I preferred this. We like the aesthetic of this better. Okay. I just asked because all the other dormers that Eve is continuous, and so this is the only dormer on the house where it's not continuous, I just want to make sure that that was something you had considered deliberately. We did. If you'll notice, the existing dormers are actually set back from the face, from the exterior wall where this one is flush with it. The small little roof here actually relate to the proportions that are on the existing house. It's a different proportion altogether, so mimicry comes from the pitches and the fact that it's an A-dormer. But we did look at it, actually, we looked at it a couple of different ways. This is the one that we arrived on as being the one that Scott and Chelsea arrived at, is the one that they'd like to go for. The only other thing I would bring up is on the dimensional sheets. The square footage is slightly different between the two sheets. On one of them, the gross existing house is listed as being 3330 and the other is 3339. And then just that difference carries through. So what I propose is 4921 and 4944 on the other. So if you just want to just make that correction going forward, that'd be fine. It is 3339. Okay. So it's 3339 and then afterwards it's 4940, is that correct? Sorry, 4944. Correct. The worksheet's correct. Okay, perfect. Thank you. That was all I had. Are there other questions or comments from the board? Mr. Chair. Mr. Riccadelli. I just had one. I think that the drawings look nice. The rendering you're showing looks great. It feels very appropriate for the neighborhood. I just had a question about the roof lines. It looks like from the elevations, the ridge line is almost a line between the addition and the existing home. But where are those two things intersect? What's happening there? Do you have a little valley or a cricket? How are you resolving that? Yeah, there's a little cricket that you can't see. Got it. Okay. Good catch. Sorry, Mr. Chair. I forgot. It's late. That's my bedtime. So I forgot to mention that the Bouviers talked with their neighbors and we are in receipt of four letters of support or was submitted to Blaine, I believe, this afternoon or earlier. Were you in receipt of those? So we have one letter that we had received previously from their fronoses. I did send them as soon as I got home from work, but it's possible that Colleen had left for the day or was out by the time I got to them. So we do have those for you if you'd like them. That's three or four in addition to the one that we have on file. I can read you the addresses if that helps. Certainly. Okay. So 19 Moccasin Path, 14 Moccasin Path, another one from 19, and 18 Moccasin Path. And Scott, maybe you could explain it a little bit better than me, but Scott told me that they had a party recently where they were able to share it with quite a few of their neighbors and there seemed to be support throughout the neighborhood. Yeah, thanks, but we actually had a happen to have a block party last weekend. And as a result of the the ZBA notification to much of the neighborhood, there was there was a lot of awareness about what we're planning to do. And we're able to talk to a lot of neighbors and even show them pictures about what we were considering doing. And everyone, for lack of a better word, was very appeased by the aesthetic of it and sort of what we were going for. And that we were going to sort of keep the character of the house. So that was all great conversation that just happened to take place a few days prior to this meeting. Great, thank you. Are there any other members of the board who wish to address this? Have questions or comments? If not, I will go ahead and open a hearing for public comment. Public comments taken as it relates to the matter at hand and should be directed to the chair and help the board in its deliberations. And may do the raise hand feature under reactions or turn on your camera and wave. Mr. Moore. Yes, thank you, Mr. Steve Moore, Piedmont Street. I was trying to look at this property on Google Maps and also square that with what I saw in the street view. And I don't know, there must be some differentiation in the age of the picks. I'm wondering, in one set of street view pictures, there were some significant trees in the front and side yards. And in another one, I saw there was no trees. And I'm wondering what the tree history is, if I could ask through you, Mr. Chair. Certainly. Yeah, I'll be happy to answer that. So we bought this house in the spring of 2021. And when we bought it, every tree that we bought it with is still standing. To that end, there was construction done on this property by the previous owners and what trees they may or may not have taken down. I'm not exactly privy to. But I think I know the pictures you're alluding to prior to that construction, wherein it was a yellow ranch without the expansion. Yes. Yes. And I think they're just outdated, considerably outdated at this point. But those trees have been long gone. I couldn't even tell you necessarily where they were in the garden. Okay, Mr. Chair, that's helpful. And I saw also, you said all the trees are now standing. Is this project going to be impacting the trees that are now standing? There is no impact to the, there is no impact. Again, I'm not an arborist, but there, my understanding is there's going to be no impact to any of the trees on our property. We trim back one small section in order to give us access to get equipment in. Those are on side trees between my own yard and my neighbors. But outside of that, we don't plan to touch any of the. Okay. All right. I was sure that's good news. It was hard to tell from those picks about what trees were there and what was going to be taken, but you're saying no trees are really planned to be taken at this point. That's correct. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. You're welcome. Thank you. Those pictures on Google street viewer from 2007. So they are considerably old. I should have known from the lack of resolution. I tried to find a date, but I didn't find it. Thank you, Mr. Chair. You're welcome. And I would just note that the, the applicant will have to file a tree plan as a part of the permitting process. So that there will be some review of the existing trees on the property. And if there's a determination that some additional protection of measures need to be taken, those should be noted by the, by the tree warden at that time. Are there any other members of the public who wish to address this hearing? Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the public comment period for this hearing. So what the board has before it, this is a special labor request for special permit for a large addition under 542B6. The board needs to make three findings in regards to this large addition in addition to the seven standard determinations that it needs to make. The first is that the alteration or addition is in harmony with other structures and uses in the vicinity. As has been said several times, this is very much in keeping with the character of the neighborhood. This is an area with a lot of that sort of, that two family, that excuse me, the two story house as opposed to two and a half. So it's mostly one and a half to two stories. This is in keeping with that, keeps the nice horizontal plane and is very similar to the, to the houses around it. Board is to consider dimensions and setbacks in relation to a budding structures and uses. This is an extension towards the neighboring house at 11 Moccasin path, but it does not violate the setback conditions. And it is, it is still maintaining that same height that the house is today. And consider conformity with the purposes of the bylaw. So I think that the addition here where it is making the house more usable for the existing owners and providing some additional space for them while minimizing the impact on neighbors and the district is what the purpose of the bylaw would be. And then for the standard seven conditions put forward by the applicant that a single family residential is allowed in the R one. And that a large addition can be approved by a special permit from the zoning board of appeals. The requested uses essential or desirable to the public. It's an allowed use would continue as a single family resident is keeping with the neighborhood. I would also note that it helps to modernize the house by providing additional garage space and living space for the family. It's been requested use will not create undue traffic congestion or unduly impair pedestrian safety. It is the same same uses before same family no additional vehicles. Explain why the requested use will not overload public water drainage or sewer systems for the same reason it is still maintaining as a single family home. So be no impact on those describe how special regulations for use may be provided in the zoning bylaw. As we noted that is the large addition. Explain why the requested use will not impair the integrity or character of the district. We note that it is the same existing use and from before and after but also the same as the adjacent homes and consistent with the character of the district and will not by the addition of the neighborhood causing excess of the use that could be detrimental to the character of the neighborhood existing house. It's maintaining the character of the neighborhood by maintaining the single family residents. So those would be my proposed findings for its application. Should the board decide to vote in favor there would be the three standard conditions that we had read previously into the record this evening. This is a very minor typo in the form so I don't think it's necessary to have the applicant go through process of revising the documentation because it is it is correct on the one and just type on the other. Are there any additional conditions that the board would want to impose on the special permit grant? No. Mr. Hanlon? Okay then with that the chair would entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hanlon. I move that the application be approved subject to the three standard conditions. Second. Thank you Mr. Dupont. There's a motion to approve the special permit for 15 moccasin path with three conditions before by Mr. Hanlon, seconded by Mr. Dupont, vote of the board. Mr. Dupont? Aye. Mr. Hanlon? Aye. Mr. Holley? Aye. Mr. Richard Alley? Aye. And the chair votes aye. The special permit for 15 moccasin path is approved. Thank you very much. Thank you all for your time. I appreciate you staying on this late. Oh you're you're very welcome. Sorry to make it so late for you.  All right well at Mr. Hanlon's suggestion we've done everything else that we were going to do tonight already. So all that we have left tonight is to thank everyone for their participation in the meeting of the Orange and Zoning Board of Appeals. Appreciate everyone's patience throughout the meeting especially I'd like to thank Colleen Ralston and Michael Ciampa and Michael Cunningham for joining us and their assistance for preparing for and hosting this online meeting. I would like to note that the purpose of the board's recording of the meeting is to ensure the creation of an accurate record of its proceedings and as our understanding the recording made by ACMI will be available on demand at acmi.tv within the coming days. If anyone has comments or recommendations please send them via email to vdaatown.arlington.ma.us that email address is also listed on the ZDA website and to conclude tonight's meeting I would ask for a motion to adjourn. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hanlon. So moved. Second. Thank you. Thank you Mr. DuPont to vote of the board to adjourn. Mr. DuPont. I. Mr. Hanlon. I. Mr. Holly. I. Mr. Rickidelli. I. Ms. Hoppen. I. Mr. LeBlanc. Chair votes I. We are adjourned. Thank you all so very much. We'll see everyone on October 24th. Good night guys. Good night everybody. Good night everyone. Good to see you all. Good night.


Hey everybody So we're here. We're a little later than we expected, but we're here and it's uh, it's all new So new that things are breaking I'm exactly the same Product is new. You've got like kind of a new that new shirt, baby. No, no, okay Let me tweet that we are live To start the show So Ladies and gentlemen, it's our lane. Are you ready? Yeah Right Let's Make it happen here. We ago Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support All right, that's the first technical error. I hit the wrong button Let's start that over again. Shall we here we go three two one Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news from Monday, October 2nd 2017. I'm Tom Merritt And I'm from Cabela Mont and this is the beginning of the new lineup of the show Sarah Lane has joined us Welcome Sarah. I'm sorry if anyone thinks that my microphone sounds a little crappy that's because The good one isn't working suddenly. Yes Sarah's microphone Sarah's laptop decided to welcome us by it not working. It's okay. They always think my microphone sounds crappy Was perfectly fine before the show and then just just I don't know who knows who knows who knows Producer Roger Chang is here as well. How are you Roger? I am here. Yes. I'm yeah Let's start with a few tech things you should know US District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan ruled Saturday that the FBI does not need to reveal Who unlocked an iPhone 5c for it or how much was paid for the service? Judge Chutkan ruled that the details are properly classified as national security secrets and the release could damage Apple's security Some good news for anybody who feels like the world's a little weird sometimes That would be me two scientists have published a paper in science advances Showing that attempts to use the quantum Monte Carlo method to model the quantum Hall effect Requires exponential increases in computer power as the number of particles modeled rises now If that doesn't make any sense to you it didn't to me either in layman's terms This is being seen as proving that we don't in fact live in a simulation and this is all real Hey How do we know that's not part of the simulation? Not ha very clever scientists Moving on the wayfinder open standard for building audio instructions into apps to help blind people navigate has been accepted by the International Telecommunications Union the ITU as an official ITU standard Trials are being conducted in London Sydney Oslo and elsewhere with plans for trials in Barcelona in November. That's a big step forward That's great. Yeah Now here are some more top stories Google is changing a rule that boosted search rankings for news Publishers who allowed views of three or more articles for free before sticking them behind a paywall This was a workaround for a lot of people who are like well I don't want to pay for that subscription to the Wall Street Journal or the Financial Times or whatever So I'll just get one of them for free three links Well Google search engine will no longer take into account free or paid status for articles when determining search rank Google is also developing a new revenue share model to integrate paid subscriptions into Google news So suddenly Google playin nice with publishers I didn't like this at first But now I kind of like that a little bit more because it feels like it's giving something back to the content creators In a pretty big way. So that's that's good though I am I did kind of like the idea that I was being somehow buffered protected from paid services So I wouldn't click on things that I otherwise probably would have gotten to and been like all And and I have to say it used to be cool that Google was saying really, you know The internet should be free and open because it's 1998 still in our hearts On the other hand, I always felt it was a little odd for a search engine to be throwing around its power It was one of the early indications that Google had enough weight to make decisions For other people and I think it's one of the things that rub publishers the wrong way. I'm not a big fan of paywalls I don't think they necessarily work But I'm a big fan of letting publishers decide if that's true for them because paywalls make work great for particular Publications and they shouldn't be penalized and search rankings because of that All right, if you're a Roku owner some good news Especially if you're thinking of upgrading because Roku just announced updates to five of its streaming devices Companies $50 streaming stick gets a 50% faster processor and support for voice control. That's nice The $70 Roku streaming stick plus now handles 4k has better Wi-Fi range the wireless module is built right into the cable Kind of handy the $30 Roku express and $40 Roku express plus both get faster processors and express plus keeps its composite ports some people like those the Roku ultra model didn't actually change but the price dropped from $130 to Holidays aren't far away now Roku OS version 8 is now also available on all supported boxes And it can handle over-the-air programming and add single sign-on to But I haven't used my Roku in quite some time. I'm kind of Apple TV Yes Back in the days where you could only get HBO go on the Roku I mean, I it's still a great little device and there are so many models now I use the Roku particularly for Amazon because Amazon doesn't still yet have its app for Apple TV I have preferred the interface for for Apple TV for a while though, so I've been using it more and more myself I love that they're integrating over the air. I but it's not DVR. It's just over the air And I don't watch a lot of over-the-air TV live I use a TV to record it if Roku had said plug a USB drive in the back and you can now You know take advantage of a DVR capability. I'd be all over this that sounds like a future upgrade to me Yeah, I don't use the Roku. I'm full-on Apple TV at this point I've been using PS view for for television not a fan gonna switch over pretty soon I think to another solution and I realize why I'm mad about Star Trek and this is a topic for a different day But I think that it can you summarize though. You've tantalized me, okay I am upset because I feel like Star Trek should be for everyone It it basically like encouraged generations of kids to get into science and technology and now it's behind a freaking paywall And I think that's bologna. So it should be free over the air or nothing. Yeah, I think it should it just makes me sad It just makes me sad. It should be easy to watch. It's amazing. Gotcha That's not a very good reason for like many people out there and I don't care I mean, you don't feel that way about Netflix stuff, but you're saying Star Trek is different So I don't know that I agree, but I respect Star Trek to a different level. Yeah. Oh It's my turn Sony announced an update to the PS VR headset including integrated headphones and support for HDR pass-through Currently the PS VR must be unplugged to see HDR content on the TV note price or release date was announced Kind of a weird little little upgrade where it's it's not going to work for you Current PS VR users, but it's also not like a big enough thing where if I have a current PS VR headset I'm gonna want to replace it, right? Right. Oh, I remembered one other thing I wanted to say Amazon is coming to Apple TV. I think late October. So I think it should be any week now I'll believe it when I see it. I too will believe it when I see it, but that's what they're saying Please Net market share shows a rise in Linux desktop use from 2.5% in July to almost 5% in September So not quite a doubling but pretty close It's right now very close to Mac OS market share Mac OS market share use is about 6.29% according to net market share now You're like, wait a minute. What does this mean? We're not gonna talk about sales We're talking about net market share looking at the records of tens of thousands of websites going over the page views and doing an analysis of saying, okay, these pages were generally accessed 97% of the time by this 90% of the time by Windows, but 5% of the time by Linux Basically, everybody thinks the reason is Chromebooks There are Chromebooks all over schools these days and with everybody going back to school in September Everybody opens up the new Chromebooks lights him up Chrome OS Registers his Linux and it shows up in net market share. What do y'all think? Nothing I Got nothing on this one. Yeah, I mean, that's cool Well, it's interesting because it it does say that you know contrary to Conventional wisdom Linux isn't this kind of DIY OS that only a selected Knowledgeable few can you know use and I think it does extend the argument that Linux can be commercially competitive as long as it's put In a much user in a little more user-friendly package or or platform. Yeah, and think about it Linux is super successful now It's Android. It's Chrome OS, but it's pretty much. It's pretty much Google that is making it successful at the moment It actually sort of surprises me that the number is as high as it is But you do make good points there. Well, thank you Sarah Well, you're I think the the bigger question though is this percentage stays past a year Right. Yeah, we didn't see this kind of bump last year But you can make an argument that it took a while for Google to really penetrate schools with Chrome OS And so now you're finally seeing it, but Roger, you're absolutely right. Well, we see this kind of Decline and bump in the summer and and and then return to school next year. That'll that'll be very telling All right, moving on some Facebook news Facebook shared three thousand ads a lot of ads with US congressional Investigators that were brought with that were bought rather by a Russian company to Influence US politics. Yes, the company also said it's going to be making some changes going to change its advertising systems to cut down on abuse and election Interference to you and Mark Zuckerberg promised that that was going to happen last week and and they're making steps now Facebook is also hiring 1,000 more people to its global ads review team over the next year And we'll also allow anybody to see any ad run by any organization on the social network Instead of only the ad specifically targeted to us These are all fine. I actually really like the idea of being able to click on an advertiser and see what else are you running? Some have made the argument This could be a chilling effect for small businesses who might be trying out language to see what language is right And it's embarrassing to see the stuff they're trying out because some of it might not be very good That's why they're trying it out because they don't know yet Overall though, I think it's kind of kind of fun to be able to get that look behind the curtain I still am waiting for someone to tell us give us evidence That any of these ads haven't had an effect Because what Zuckerberg is doing and what Facebook is doing is in reaction to public opinion not evidence I'm not saying it didn't have an effect or it did but nobody has stopped to actually assess that Well, isn't what that isn't that what they're trying to do No, they're trying to figure out how to stop these kinds of ads from being done in the future But honestly all that's going to do is stop ads that are like these if these didn't have an effect That's not going to do anything if they did have an effect We don't know why and so we wouldn't be able to stop other kinds of ads Yeah, it'd be more interesting I think to look into the research around the the articles and shares that people are putting on their timeline to see how how that kind of echo chamber effect Has an impact on the political landscape. I think a lot of people are doing that research But we I don't know if we have anything thoroughly convincing yet I think it definitely does help solidify ideas that you're already tied into and kind of give your own You know your own personal biases more strength, but yeah, I don't know Yeah, the only study I've seen showed that it didn't have much of an effect These sorts of things when you hear, you know, someone like Mark Zuckerberg say we're gonna hire a thousand fresh eyes to make this process better It's like that sounds like a lot. But yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, okay. Well, that seems like a step in the right direction Zuckerberg has also come under quite a bit of criticism for you know, you know, car brain dangerous Information on Facebook or certainly manipulative information So it would be nice to know the breakdown of what these new people are going to be doing You know was the review team just not staffed up properly to begin with is this going to fix it? Sometimes this all sounds a little bit like lip service until people sort of forget and move on to the next thing But I will try to be optimistic. Yeah, and that that's why I'm so strident about wait let's find out what the problem is before we fix it because That will make sure that we're not just doing PR, right? Facebook is definitely doing PR here They're saying like you guys are mad about this. So we're gonna do something whether that's something will actually fix or anything or not It's actually not only we don't know but it's hard to evaluate because we haven't properly assessed the problem Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to our other show daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines comm It gets you everything you need to know each day in five minutes or so Veronica Belmont is a daily listener So you could be listening it to it on your Amazon echo and say, oh, I'm listening to this along with Veronica At the same time maybe It's so pleasant to think about I think the somewhere out there song from five will goes west So add it to your Amazon echo you can add it to your anchor app Or you can go get it as a podcast at daily tech headlines comm and that's a look at our top stories All right, BBC article caught my eye this morning professor Chris Reed of the University of Dundee Wrote an article about training computers to argue which would put Roger Chang and I out of a job Luckily he doesn't pay us so no, that's true It's called argument technology and it's not exactly what you want to think when you're about to make the joke You're about to make the aim is not to help humans argue with each other and win The aim is to help people make better decisions So they're trying to get AI to be able to challenge evidence examine alternatives draw proper conclusions AI will need to learn how to understand social rules emotional sensitivities Practical constraints and that's what they're working on You know we hear a lot about playing go and and and being trained to recognize cats and everything This is the next trend One of the next trends in artificial intelligence is this kind of argument technology at the University of Dundee They're actually using classical rhetoric theories to help spot the structures of arguments to train These AI and they think they can be useful in two ways one Justifying and explaining so just going out there and finding Reasons why you could be pro or con on an issue IBM is working on something for a couple years now called the debater that Watson employs and then there's dialogue games So think Plato's Socratic dialogue or even on a simpler level your child going why why that's kind of a dialogue game And that can help you avoid unconscious biases weak evidence and poorly thought through arguments This this is fascinating to me. Yeah, go ahead Article when it yeah, you know as I was reading I was sort of like okay What are we talking about exactly and once this BBC article mentioned a court of law, for example Then I was like, okay, I get it You know, this is not necessarily that robots are going to replace a jury anytime soon But that human bias that is inherently had has to be factored into Decisions like okay with all the facts that have been presented. What is the most reasonable outcome? It makes the whole thing very interesting because I think that you can I mean you obviously humans have to train the AI to begin with but if you can Somehow filter out some of the problems that happen with humans and emotions and you know, somebody's having a bad day or just bad at arguing It actually makes the potentials here really interesting I know it'd be fun it'd be cool if like if if you're in a in a in a courtroom and you could have something like Statcast or whatever MLB uses to to to train their their umpires Like, you know, because after every baseball game and umpire watches their calls to make sure that they made the right call a lawyer Could go back and the the AI could say like this would have been the right question to ask or this would have been the Right argument to have to actually train people to kind of get past their biases and And learn from maybe the mistakes that they've made in previous cases based on a totally objective Perspective from from the artificial intelligence. That would be really cool train people to be better lawyers law cast You can watch it in real time on court TV. Court TV doesn't even exist anymore.  I know it's just this kind of unique thing that I do But I would started to argue with someone on Twitter.  I don't blame you Um, it's it's harder sometimes maybe in live chat, but the the Twitter conversations They really do an amazing job Well, and because people kind of respond out of context a lot of times on Twitter anyway So it's harder to to spot that that sort of Turing test gap that you would in a live conversation the argument technology that we're talking about here though Really is about assisting rather than mimicking now We could have a whole side conversation about what happens when the guy who made that Russian bot Sarah was arguing with gets a hold of this too Eventually, but for now, it's you know, things like couples mediation or if a boardroom is debating an issue Argument technology could present issues and show arguments I the the 2014 video that we'll have in the show notes of Watson doing this is really fascinating because They put just the topic Does do video games cause violence and children and Watson just went out to Wikipedia Looked through the articles and within a minute was like here all the pros here all the cons Make up your mind. I love that I Argument technology and like self-driving car technology as well, you know Oh, so you could have a backseat driver or like should I kill the five people in the road? Or should I drive myself off the cliff? Yeah Yeah, it's like let's let's remove the human bias from this equation and just figure out who we're supposed to kill Roger you're wanting to say something. What was it? Well, I this would be great for negotiating Anything whether it's like a real estate deal or like even between governments like free trade deals, right? You would have a list of things and you could literally simulate What the what the logical conclusions or set of conclusions are reducing a Huge humongous, you know response to maybe three or four things and then just coming up with well If they do a B or C will have a response, you know, it's like, oh, we'll give them dairy or we'll give them lumber We'll give them automotive. I imagine that's a different specialty than this than argument technology But certainly overlaps quite a bit. I'm curious if anybody out there doing AI research knows Is there is there a specific discipline for negotiation? Intelligence well, yeah, actually, that's what caused the Facebook bots to have their first big argument and kind of fear off into AI speak land that freaked everyone out that was actually a I believe that was a mediation or it was a bargaining of some kind bot Or they were trying to figure out how to get it to what was it negotiate? It was a negotiation piece of software I believe and so they were trying to get the bots to negotiate for like better prices on something if I'm remembering correctly and the bots just Created their own shorthand That's why that sticks in my head because they were trying to do negotiation with each other, right? They were using that. Yeah. Yeah, and they're like, oh It's just like a help people talk on on like the floor of the stock exchange Like they have their own hand signals and and shorthand and terms that they use the bots did the same thing and invented their own language And so the researchers turned it off because they're like, well, we don't understand what they're saying anymore So this isn't valuable to us. It wasn't like oh my god. We're terrified. They're gonna take over the world It was like, okay Well, we can't derive any value from this right now because we can't understand them but it's true like all of this kind of thing can can can play into Advising and it's it's certainly worth talking about fears And replacement and automation and and the kinds of thing that Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking are worrying warning about though Those are worth discussing and paying attention to but a lot of the use of this can be in advice and Advising and I think that's another good possibility for it. Hey, thanks to everybody who oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead Oh, I was just gonna say more information better ways to make decisions as humans is always value We have so much data input every day being able to have something that can look at that data Objectively and pull out meaning from it would be amazing. Yeah and say like here are the things you're missing I don't have a stake in this argument because I'm a bot You look at it and decide what you think Totally. Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You could submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show get in there improve. You're not a bot Let's head over across the pond and check in with Nate Langston find out what's going on with text message Hey, thanks Tom this week. We've gone deep on how the UK is having to respond to uber's ban from London There's a lot to discuss here as you can imagine as local press have been blanket covering this topic So do give us a listen for the latest there plus We've got a special feature this week on quite a controversial topic actually one of my good friends Olivia Solon who's a reporter for the Guardian ended up being the news this week after Instagram Inadvertently used a screenshot of one of her threats of sexual violence from an internet troll as an advert to her friends on Facebook It's a bit of a chilling story, but it is well worth a listen. That's out now on episode 106 of text message available at tech podcast UK or in your local podcatcher. Just search TCH apostrophe s message 106 back to you and hey, see you in a week. Oh, yeah, I'll see you Yeah, it's even less than a week. I'll see you Friday Nate Nate's getting married this weekend. It's one of the reasons England So congratulations to Nate I know Ian Morris will be in the wedding So it'll be like a little text message wedding there But yeah, definitely check out this week's episode for that interview Because she has a very interesting perspective on why why this happened What what it doesn't mean as well as what it does mean and how she felt about her own publication Interviewing her for the story. Check it out at tech podcast UK All right, let's get to our messages of the day TG stellar in one last hot day of summer in North Jersey wrote us this email Hey, Tom at all if I watched DTNS live I would ask this of your guest Keith Townsend at the time is IT hard for the equifaxes of the world because the Googles of the world attract the best IT talent leaving less talented resources for the rest I wonder if this is the third part of a negative tech trinity Executives who don't want to pay for IT security Employees who don't know how to follow IT security best practices, you know We've always said that the employees are always the weakest link than any security and a limited pool of IT talent to implement The solutions, what do you guys think is is it possible that we're just not you know that these companies suffer? Not just equifax because I think they've gone above and beyond but we keep hearing it You know target and then Home Depot a long time ago and just over and over and over again I think it's it would be easy to say of course. There's lots of IT pros who are like I want to work at Google or you know some sort of Exciting and up-and-coming company. I guess that's not really Google anymore But you know the kind of Silicon Valley is of the of the IT worlds or the rock star jobs I also think it has a lot to do geography and where people live and You know if you want to work at Google But for whatever reason you want to live in an area where Google's not gonna let you work remote and there's not a Hub there you might take an IT job, which is In your skill set at a company that wouldn't be your first choice or I Think it would be wrong to say that. Oh, there's problem security problems at companies that aren't What we think about the forefront of technology just because those jobs have less skilled people Yeah, I totally disagree with the lack of IT talent I think the IT talent worldwide is is not all limited to within the confines of the Googleplex you know, I think Or Silicon Valley for that matter. I think really what it is is a problem of motivation I think that the people who are doing these, you know illegal hacks are just Extremely motivated to do so and so they just have the you know, whether it's monetary reasons or whether it's status reasons You know, sometimes they come from from countries where this is the best way to make a to make a buck the easiest or easiest for them way So it's you know, I think it's for me There are a lot of big IT companies that just have their seven-headed Hydra that don't have the conversations They need to have and amidst their groups or they're not doing the right updates. You know, I don't know I really don't think it's a lack of talent I think it's just there's a lot of technology involved and a lot of people who are extremely motivated to find those those cracks in the systems. I I chalk it up to a culture of Especially in certain businesses where you have done things in a certain manner for decades You know, it's not that it isn't important But it just isn't on the radar in the same way through, you know, how they talk about institutions having a level of Memory or or kind of a a thought process. It's institutional. I mean, it's something that Shaked through especially with really large especially financial institutions where there's just you know That like what Veronica was saying a seven-headed Hydra where there's you know, like well our acquisitions is more important You know are going to underwrite these policies is more important and all these other things They don't think about because they don't see it how it compounds the issue if it does break And you know what we talk about legacy systems and legacy software all the time How about legacy people or legacy process because at some of these big companies like they just have a way of doing things And even though they're hiring some of the top talent the ability to make those new ideas or a new process trickle up Into the into the company and actually make it Work so like they could have systems in place that have been around for 15 years And there's one guy that really likes it that way And he's the head of IT and these new upstart kids with all their new smart ideas come in and try to get them To change their mind and do something new or update this system or that system and they're like no We'll get around to it when we have the time when we have the bandwidth when we have the resources And it just doesn't get done. I have never run into a situation where someone told me the problem that we had with this Breach was because we didn't have the right talented people. No, it's always something like what you guys are talking about Yeah, it's like we told them Our buddy IT pro Keith who was on the show recently was actually kind of walking us through how these things happen where there might be a security risk and everyone knows it but in order to fix that it means that productivity and or Profits might take a dip and so everyone says, yeah, let's do it tomorrow. Yeah, no, it's that it's that part of the tech Trinity I think that that really is The the bigger part of it a tech Trinity as teachy stellar called it in his email But thank you for that email tg stiller good good to think about a good question to make Sarah wrap us up with the last email Got another email from Anthony in what he calls chilly, but beautiful Alaska That's not right. He says in case this comes up in a stir I just want to add a personal testimony the Apple watch series 3 is more sensitive to tech to Interference than series zero. I played with it over the past few days I've experienced issues with it locking while I'm wearing it not tracking Standing time or my heart rate or sleep information and then not unlocking when I unlock my phone So I called Apple they gave me the suggestion that the faster processor might be the culprit That was their words not not Anthony's and after two years of wearing the series zero I'd never experienced a single known issue with my tattoo one week for the series three on the same wrist Same tattoo. I've missed the phone ringing several times. Have you tried removing your tattoo and reinstall? Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, I never would have thought about that Anthony for the report I never would have thought of that either. Yeah, huh? My tattoos on my right arm, but it's not in the place where the watch connects So it would tell you try project your cord. I mean Yeah, I wouldn't even thought about that Yeah, yeah, I could wear it backwards for a watch Well special thanks to Andrew Bradley before we get out of here He sent us a big box of Transformers masterpiece edition figures that Roger Is showing off right there because he just didn't need them anymore and it was very nice of him So Roger has taken custody of them and and has them ready to go Thank you again, Andrew for for sending those along and thank you for Monica Belmont as always for joining us Anything to tell folks about this week? Oh, we are recording season two of IRL My first interview is tomorrow morning. So I'm very excited to get the show back on the air I mean, it wasn't a very long hiatus. It's been like, I don't know a month and a half maybe But we've got some great story ideas for season two a lot of great interviews coming up and I'm real excited about it Excellent. It's one of my favorite podcasts to listen to. Yay. That makes me so happy to hear and also I watched the Transformers Most recent movie this weekend. Oh boy. Was that a stinker? That was a stinker It was fun. It was something but it was a stinker. No offense. Not certified fresh by Veronica I go check it out IRL podcast org huge. Thanks to all the patrons who are supporting the show And giving us a chance to to start things off With with sarah lane on the show every day Her mic will get better. We promise that was just a I I'm I'm just I'm just I'm furious that you don't know how mad sarah is right now on day one Everything was okay. And then it just just a little tweaking before the show and we'll figure it out But yeah, I'm here with us. Hopefully anybody who's at least watching the Video version of the show likes what I've done with the place. Yeah, looks really good And I've got a new background as well Yeah, there's if there's we'll call it it's version 1.5 at this point. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely We are we going onward and upward from here, but huge huge. Thanks to everyone who supports the show I hope you've enjoyed the brand new perks The advisor level people got their their lend parole to art this week And all of the slack invites went out to the new analysts and everything So check it out patreon.com slash dtns Don't forget friday october 6th Justin robert young hosting an episode of dtns live at la pod fest You do need to pay to attend la pod fest. That's out of our control It's part of that But if you are going to go to la pod fest check it out A special guest erin kitchen jeff canada and ellison chariden will be there Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com. We're live Monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 At alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv Of course our website is daily tech news show Folks be kind to each other do something to make the world better today We'll be back tomorrow with patrick beija and rob reid talk to you then Who is part of the brawn pants network? Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this program ICU said the nicest thing in chat sarah lane trump's fidelity Meaning audio fidelity She's still some troubleshooting. All right, uh, that was a good show you guys Oh, that was a great show regardless of the audio shoes. It was it was actually really good it moved Despite the impediments the obstacles we overcame What should we call it as we always do as humans? We overcome Let's see What do they got what they got show bot dot tv We're not living in a simulation I wouldn't do that and say we're not living in a simulation or are we? We're not living in a simulation At the end of it. So we're not living in the simulation simulation We also have make star trek free courtesy of veronica. Uh, and uh, zoey brings bacon. We're really real Google 1984 the beard and the blonde Uh, we're about to make star trek free again That's your personal Paramount like no, um get the get the joke get the joke. It's also a political joke It can't be too Wait what? Roku ing the boat Like arguing with a russian bot I argued once with a russian cabbie. I'm not sure it's the same thing I think therefore I am You're on a roll today, roger Your jokes are funny. Uh, I know I am a America bol plus tnt equals d tns ah It's a chemical equation that adds up into the great wide open. Is this the real life? Oh, that's sad into the great wide open Because you guys heard tom petty died, right? Yes Oh, no, I thought you're talking to the audience into the yeah, yeah, I was into the great wide open is a tom petty song I just didn't want people to think we did not maybe I should drive down recita. Um together again for the first time Google tear down this wall Another google another google in the wall Hmm I guess starfleet starfleet tear down that wall boldly go where no one is willing to pay Yes Yes, they just need to tack on some really compelling stuff besides that one show 2017 the year of the linux desktop eventually So it's a side note that used to be a joke for networking, right? It's the year of net The year of the networks for for like from 93 to 97 it was the year of the network facebook adds more to combat misinformation Oh to combat information argument intelligence. You call that a university. This is a university You're just reading them though. Tell which ones do you like? Uh, roger is here quantum one, no, uh I like uh, I I would like we're not living in a simulation but with a question mark Okay We're not living in a simulation We're alive really really alive I also like to boldly go behind the pay behind the pay wall. That's pretty clever I Hesitate to make the title about star trek Because we don't actually talk about it for very long In fact, I just brought it up. I propose nothing. I know I know it computer out. I use people I feel like it's a little bit because people are so fired up about that They're like, well, I'm gonna watch this show because they're gonna talk about this and then they might get disappointed Yeah, I get you How about star trek? We don't talk about it very long. So don't get disappointed. I don't know if that's compelling reason to listen Uh, how about this one? Um No, how about the one from ken from chicago computer out argue computer out argues people comma people disagree I thought we're not living in a simulation was Was what we're going with. No All right, just give it options. I like it Sorry, I think we're good with that one. Let me I won't rotate the tires. I won't rotate the tires Oh, no rotate the tires. I don't want them to get bald on one side Bald on one side. Like can you rotate my head? Ah I can sure as heck polish it out with a buffer Um, that'll buff out your hair apple watch is anti tattoo I'm wondering what the deal is. Is it the ink? I bet it's the depth. It's a little bit bigger This is just a guess. I bet but because it's a tiny bit thicker. I bet it's angling the sensor different than it used to Remember me that story about that woman in Canada got her eyeball tattooed. Oh god, really what? I don't like to think about it. Why does this remind you of that because it's not about an eye thing She's not going to wear that watch on her face Especially they'll be on her faces. Yeah, they'll be eye patches the eye patch That's that's funny roger That's that'd be pretty cool because you could and you could flip it could be like like a monocle could be either side Tom ron top roger's getting all your that's funnies today Because he's trying Oh, wait a minute. Are you saying effort? Uh, uh kneecaps kneecaps the funniness No, I'm saying effort actually is paying off So what you're saying is I need to apply myself Not anymore.  I'm saying we have a hard time taking a compliment We're just saying Tom isn't being good at being funny. No How long have you known me? How long have I known you? Just over 18 years. I've known you what like 18 years and and one month Six months longer than your wife, right? I would say safe to say you have known me Exactly four months longer than my wife has known me four months. Yeah Because I met you in september of 1999. I met her in january of 2000. It didn't work out between us So you went with his wife instead Um, it's okay. Yeah, it happens It happens. Hey, I mcbill Well, I have outlived my conference room time. All right. I should hit the road jack. All right. Thanks me But thank you guys. I'll see you later. Bye. Have a good day. Goodbye Sarah's in troubleshooting land I can tell I think she I think she's rebooted Oh She was very still. Yeah, she's not just crouched. She hasn't just been crouched down for the past 15 minutes Well, it's not technically what we wanted for the first, uh show of this of october, but um, it was good content That was a really good show. I I mean despite the audio issues. It really came through as a really Thanks, uh, really Really nice pace. Honestly the pacing is really good. Yeah Well, we will try it again tomorrow. Thanks everybody for watching or listening and uh We'll be back with like I said patrick beija and rob reed along with sarah again tomorrow. Talk to you then Ah, where'd the thing go?


What's up internet? We've been tracking the prices of CPUs and GPUs for the real data kung panahon nabab umili ng CPU or ng GPU. Pina-process na rin namin yung data para mas madaling sundan. And all of that can be seen dito sa Google Sheet natin below. But if you're wondering saan yung mga usual retailers na you're familiar with, dinago ko yung mga pangalan nila under Alias S from Science Fiction, kaya na dun si Wedge, na dun si Roy, etc. The names are fake, but the data is real. Sa waka na ba sa un-activated windows mo? Well, lucky you! Pina ko bago mula sa cilickeyoffers.com Windows 10 and Windows 11 activation codes. Legit, safe, and pina kamura. Madadilo mo order. Hanapin ang windows version na gusto mo. Piliin ang preferred playpen rental. Wala pang 5 minutes na cilicika na para sa windows mo. Maraming na kaming na tunungan. Date? Set on the purpose ako? But now, I've found a love of my life! Date? Ing-less ang walang purpose ang life ko. But now, I'm a world class Zuba instructor! So, web developer ako and content creator for a YouTube channel. Ngayon, ganun pa rin ako, pero activated na yung windows ko. Kaya ako naghanap ka ng legit, mura, at original software. Check out CDKoffer.com Check out CDKoffer.com Check out CDKoffer.com Actually, the major news for price watch this month is that if you're in the market for a high-end GPU you might want to buy now. Not because the prices are good, pero kasi medyo humihigbit yung supply natin. For example, the 7900 XTX of AMD. I haven't been able to find it from any of our suppliers. Some of the brands carrying 4080s are sold out. We are expecting resupplies, but no ETA on when they're getting here. And you'll notice even on the price list, only one store has 7900 XTX. If you're looking for a 4090, you're probably still pretty good. Yung 4080 depended on what brand you're looking for. 7900 XTX, yun na. There's at least one major store that still has it. But even on the supplier side, everybody's out. I can't find any other major stores that have it as well. So if you're thinking about the 7900 XTX, you might want to pull the trigger habang may kilala ka pa na may on stock. And with that, it is not a great time to buy overall. Prices are a bit weird. So for this latest episode, slight price increase for the 1650, around 800 pesos or so. Slight price decrease for the 3050. Slight price decrease for the 3060. Big price jump for the 4060. So from 18,500 or so, naging 20,000. Relatively a big price jump, almost roughly 8% or so. I think what's happening here is that suppliers are offering 4060s at a good price. But stores still have stock of the 3060. And the 4060 should be cheaper than the 3060, even though the 3060 is slower. So if you're a store, pa na mo ibabenta yung lumamong hardware na nabili mo at a more expensive rate when there is a replacement model which is cheaper and faster. Economics wise, I think what happened here was that the shops, there needs to be some kind of price differentiation between the 3060 and the 4060. The 3060 should be cheaper than the 4060. Kaya you can see here a little price gap now. Last month, mas mura pa nga yung 4060. You can still find stores with below 20,040 60s, for example like hardware sugar. But the average price now seems to be slightly over 20K. With the average price of a 3060, 12GB, that's the only model of 3060 that we follow and record, is at around 19,000. But even for a 1,000 pesos difference, I would go with a 4060. It is significantly faster than a 3060. It does have DLSS3. So there are features on the newer model, which the older model doesn't have. And price to performance, 1,000 pesos seems worth it. Some people would argue that we do need the larger memory size of the 3060 12GB version. I'm still a little bit on the fence. If does it matter 4060 8GB versus 3060 12GB when the 4060 has been shown to be faster than even the 3060 12GB. So my personal take from that is we would recommend just getting a 4060 kung nagtatalo ka dun sa price point and sa cards na yun. 4070, slight price drop. 4080, no price change. And a nice small price drop relatively for the 4090, which is still a bonkers over 100,000 pesos. Although there has been a slight price drop. Also a significant price drop for the 600XT. No data anymore about the 600-700XT. And in general, I'm having trouble finding data for AMD GPUs. Even the four major retailers that we tracked. Wala na silang stock. So I'm thinking maybe next month it will migrate to following the 7,000 series na. Exclusively. Because we already have the 7,900XTX. Now, which is at an average price, slight price decrease of 65,790. The 7,900XTX, the competitor Nvidia side is the 4080. You'll notice though the big price difference. The 4080 is at 83K. And the 7,900XTX is 65K. So say what you want about maybe sometimes the buggy drivers of AMD that they're not really trying as hard as Nvidia and all of those things. But at least price wise, they are trying to fill that kind of market space that Nvidia is leaving behind with just charging exorbitant prices. And for CPUs, the 7,950X is higher actually. The highest we've seen it in a while. Since last February. Slight price increase for the 7,800X3D. One of the best CPUs you can get for gaming right now. Slight price increase also for the 7,600X. Not a great look for AMD. You'd want the 7,000 series to be kind of going down. Especially sort of like the entry level model. 7,600X, 7,600. But there was actually a price increase. Although to be fair, maliit lang naman yung increase. Slight price increase also for the 5,600X which is still a pretty good CPU. 5,600G continues its price descent. And we are using that CPU more and more now for even work builds. For builds intended for work plus light gaming. The 5,600G is a good all-around workhorse. And it's good to see that the price is dropping. And no price at all that I could find for the Ryzen 5,3600. So maybe not surprising that the stores have stopped carrying it. Although personally my CPU now is still a Ryzen 7,3700X. So from the 3,000 series parin. So still a lot of people rocking the 3,000 series. Maybe not a lot of people buying them brand new anymore. 3,900K. No price change. Slight price increase. Significant for the 3,600K. And then the 12,500 is the same. So really nothing major for this episode except that as I mentioned at the start if you want high-end graphics cards if it's a 4080 or the 7,900XTX you should pull the trigger now. Or be prepared to wait maybe six weeks or so. Just rounding out the episode with the per shop deep dive. So as always we have cloaked the names of the different shops we follow under different names. We don't use the pricing data from hardware sugar. The names are consistent. So this sheet goes back all the way to last year. So you can see wedges prices from August 22 and so on and so forth. Wedge saw some price increases at a decrease for the 4090. Roy had some better or more price decreases. So blue is price went down which is good for us. Red is price went up which is bad for us. Joker not much change for the 4080. A lot of movement here with Wash. Wash was like I'm going to make some GPUs lower but I'm also going to make some GPUs higher. And Wash is interesting because they are one of the well-known stores especially for enthusiasts. That I could find. Neither did Joker and neither did Roy. So AMD has been trying to sell off the excess inventory of the 6000 cards and maybe it has pushed enough because they are hard to find now. We were selling some before but now our supplier is also out of stock. On to CPUs not much price difference really. We are doing what happened last month. We noted that prices are actually going up last month and you should have bought like 2 months ago. Currently prices are still a bit wonky. They are kind of moving sideways. So not a lot of significant price increases or decreases. Although the 5600G is looking pretty good. Of course if you are an enthusiast that won't really appeal to you but that is a good CPU for a lot of people out there. So just scrolling down at Wash had price decreases for the 5600X, 5600G also price decrease for Joker and for the 3900K although Wash's 3900K is significantly cheaper at 35,500 compared to 37,150 and just between like these 4 different stores which do have large inventory which are followed by a lot of people you notice that there are significant price changes in items. So if price is really your consideration it really does pay or you really benefit from shopping around and asking around. That being said of course there is there are other considerations to where you buy. Whether it's close to you, whether you trust them whether their warranty is good. So price isn't the end all and be all that a lot of people assume the Philippine market to be.  Different shops have different prices so general advice if you can wait I would wait. We would probably see some nice prices over the Christmas season or you know the upcoming birth months. We've started September but it's just the first or we're just dipping our toes into the Christmas market. We are also expecting the 7800XT and the 7700XT to be coming out soon but our suppliers cannot tell us when they're coming. Personally I have it at around 4-6 weeks that's just my gut guess but we don't have any official confirmation yet when they're coming to the Philippines. As always you can access this sheet anytime. It's available 24-7 the link is in the pinned comment down below it's also in the video description. So we only do this episode once a month but if you want to buy a GPU and you're wondering if the price is good even if it's not listed here at least this list which is continuously updated can give you a ballpark figure on what to expect for GPU and CPU prices in the Philippines. Thanks for watching. We also clean and replace GPUs. Nasamakati yung physical store namin and you can also buy from our site www.hwsugar.ph na 100% palaging up-to-date yung inventory dun. Kung instock yung item sa amin, available yung sa site. We also ship nationwide. Thanks for watching and maybe one of these days ita tayo sa shop.