Sheministly, it's hard. I mean- What year was that? 2010. 2010. Compared to 1995. Mm-hmm. Man. And so you left and Niggas was barely, they was using- Technologies. It was like- They didn't even have cell phones. They didn't even have cell phones. Blackberry was the type. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And when you came home, the Blackberry was the type. Yeah, that was the popular type of Blackberry. Yeah, because you didn't have none of that when you left. No. It was- So, you know, the trans- Was it the big phones? Was it them big phones? No, they had the big, big, gray ones. Yeah, the big ones. That's about it. Yeah. See, but the transformation was crazy. You know why? Because when she started, like, I had colletrays, I had electrical, cutting their rods, and I had their plumbing. Then I had their computer, too, right, that my colletray, got my GED, went to college, everything, right? So I'm going to educate myself, read now all the business books, right?  I'm going to jump right in, and I'm going to start doing it. It's not like that. No, I know it's not. It's not like that. The same degree that you get when you're in prison, the same type of degree they get when they're people out here, they send me back. Right? I'm with Lee College. Oh, okay. I'm with Lee College. But I'm sitting there like, man, I'm watching it, and I tell anybody this, bro, you're going to go through the changes. I went through them, you know what I'm saying? Even with, because when I got out, you know what I'm saying, I got a female I'm missing with, you know what I'm saying? She had me down for a nice little scratch, right? Okay, but you got to realize something. She don't know what it's like to be with somebody like me. I'm not normal. My actions is not going to be normal due to the fact I've been gone for so long. So therefore, I sit back and I look at it, right? And I'm like, I've been gone 18 years. So just think about that. I've been gone for 18 years. She have never missed with a guy that's been gone this long. So I don't know how to be a man. So give me an example of a situation that you said that because you were gone that long and having a female now, what would be so different? Just give me an example. Affectionate. Yeah, that's definitely a big deal. Being affectionate.  I'm thinking about pounding. No, you got to know how to rub feasts and rub shoulders and rub arms and so you got to know how you know what I don't know nothing about all of that. You left at 15. I'm thinking how we got to do. Do what we do. We left like I'm being real, you know, after that time. Man, you're gonna pound. We're gonna pound, pound, pound, pound, pound, pound, pound, pound. Boom. OK, that's how we do when you you're you pound, pound, pound, pound.  Even when we were locked up, had a couple of females, you got to have them do it. Do it quick.  So I'm coming home. I'm with that same mentality. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. So you got to think, OK. You have to adjust. Is that going to go with a female? That's not only you doing that, but. It's good for a month. Yeah, it might be good for a month for her. Then and then now it's like, OK. Enough is enough. Now, if we know it and she didn't try to teach you or tell you or none. I'm like, what can she say?  You see what I'm saying?  So what you got to do is you just got to pick up.  So she stayed down. She stayed down with you the whole time. She stayed down for a long time. Yeah, like she knew, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because you have a lot of guys who don't be trying to tell a female because some females will try to use it against them. Yeah, but, you know, she stayed down. Then you got to not only that, you got to you got to remember. I'm getting out and I remember she said it. Why do you when you drive and why do you keep the wonder down? Man, I like the fresh air. No disrespect, but you don't even have the fresh air now. I'm just saying if if if you've been through it's the thing where you can go outside because you was in a certain unit. You want to stand in the rain? You ain't standing rain in almost a year. It's the prison like the freeway is crazy. I'm saying that I'd be like, man, that prison and like the freeware man. The freeware when you drive, man, I remember I got in the car when I came home and I just drove the freeway.  Exactly. You see what I'm saying? That's the whole thing, too. You always was around somebody all the time. They could come access you any time they wanted to. You couldn't go nowhere and do nothing by yourself. You was always around somebody. How OK, how difficult was it to adjust to the part where when you're in there, people telling you everything you want to do when you're out here, you have to make your own decisions on what to do. How does how is that? That's that's a problem, too. You know why? That you're 11. I mean, I probably never noticed this. But you ever mean somebody ever been locked up for so long and they even go to like some get something to eat. You know, they always tell whoever they with. Just give me anything. They don't want to deal with it. Just give me anything. You see what I'm saying?  Right. Just give me. So that's another. You don't know what you like. You don't know what to do. I don't know what you know.   I'm going to tell you that that that that that that my girl, you get at me about.  But I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm so used to eating food that ain't hot. You say that why you love yours piping hot now? No, that's different situations. But yeah, but the thing is, man, I I I was I never heard the story, but I knew I listened to a couple of episodes with Bishop Eli that him. Yeah, that was a good episode. I like that episode, but because yeah, he talked about his transformation and he did. How many years did he do 40? He did like 38. 30 years, I think. Was it 38 or 30? 30. I think it's 30. In total, in total, you did like what? Twenty eight, twenty eight. I did 18 years flat. I did 10 years free. Yeah, I'm all papers and everything. I did everything. Yeah, yeah. So. What made you not go back? What made you not get back, get in trouble again? What? Because when you come back out, we've always talked about. Yeah, but he's older now, too. No, but but I'm not sure people knew who you were.  Man, you know, I got this. How comes you didn't go back? It happened. Because I came home with a different mind set. I got an opportunity to hug my mom and daddy. You did? Yeah. When I came home, I hugged my mom and daddy. Right. Lucky for you, because a lot of people lost their mom and dad while they were gone. They lost them. Mm hmm. And I seen guys that hang in there again. Now I'm good. I'm all right. I'm chill. I'm good. I was I put myself away for a minute. Before I even came out and really start communicating with people in the hood. I put myself up. Because I was on a mission. My nephew was at this electric company. I started working before the new parking that's been that's been there. I worked at Parkland when it was straight dirt. OK, we ran out of electrical for parking when it was all dirt, the big panel. I worked right there. You see him saying? Mm hmm. When they finished that job, you know what got me was when they finished that job and they told me, you know, I had to you had to go back and go through it. But my background. Mm hmm. So I probably working at Parkland Hospital now, having in with their school. But whenever you go for a hospital, they got to do a thorough background check. And when they found out they found so what happened was the dude was telling me like, man, don't worry about that. I got you. I'll make sure you. So I'm like, I did. So go ahead and go through with it. Man, can't be like, man, I know we can do. Boom, that was my first. That was my first knockdown. That hurt. That was my first. Yeah, it hurt. Got to realize I'm I'm fresh out. I'm doing the electrical work. I'm making like $25 an hour killing. Come on, man. I'm talking about and all I'm doing is running, man, I'm running wine. Just man, I'm talking about every week, we getting to check. Come on, man. I'm talking about like, yeah. And it's like, they're going to tell me often to work at the Parkland Hospital and they told me how they were going to be doing it. All I was going to be doing is making sure checking the making sure that the everything was right. If some breakdown inside the main thing, we'll just go in.  So to get that, that kind of, that hurt. You see what I'm saying? So now I'm going back to, man, what I'm finna do, bro? Other jobs talking about $10 an hour. I went from making $25 an hour to you telling me $10 an hour. How long did that go on for before you actually got a stable job? Man, when I left, I'm going to be on the streets. When I left, I had to make some help. I said, man, I'm finna, man, I got to do something. Hit them streets, man. Say hit them streets again. I got to do something, right? So I said, man, what I'm going to do? I said, man, I'm not selling no crack. Uh-oh, I can't do that. So we eat. So bam, I said, nah, I'm finna mess y'all up. And we ain't talking about this, but Charles, you know what I'm saying? You know, I used to always tell him that I was saying I'm so boss talk. Y'all getting exclusive. Y'all getting exclusive. I said, man, I know what I'm finna do. Charles, I went to Houston, had a little, this little boom. I said, nigga, I'm finna start pimping. Oh yeah, you, oh, you put your pee, please take it out. I said, man, I said, Charles, I'm finna start pimping. Nah, so I said, I'm like, so Charles, I'm like, man, man, man, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I said, shh. So that's the thing, you know, I still remember. This is Super Bowl time. She went to Houston in Cal, and said, hey, we ready, you know what I'm saying? We finna come back. Oh, we're Charleston.  Oh, she got a big bang. Oh, man, that is Charleston. Man, this boy talking about a look. I said, ooh, man, I said, oh, what's wrong? We driving back. Charles and I almost had a heart attack when we was driving back. Yeah. Why? Like a little, like you serious, like a heart attack. Like a heart attack, we had to literally, we was laughing, but he was panicking. So he had to pull on with, jump out the car, and he go to the hospital. So I had to, man, get in the car. We had to drive him to the hospital. He had to go to the hospital. Wow. We in the middle of nowhere. He told me he was panicking. He had like a panic attack. Panic attack. So we had to get him, they let him go, we get in the car. What he panicking for? I still don't, I mean. Shit.  I don't know, man. No, no, no, that ain't it. What he panicking for? Nigga just gonna do it, man. I said, man, so that was the transformation. We went back, went all the way to the, I'm up now, we went for work. So how long did you pan for? We went to forward. I'm gonna mention I went, we went to forward, right? And I say, Charles, man, we got, I got to find the club to put in. He say, man, take it to these rooms over here. You know what I'm saying?  So, man, I did it. So I'm like, man, I ain't, we gon' do it. So I went over there, I did it, put it in there. You know what I'm saying? And next day. Now at this time, I'm in a relationship, right? Okay, we're the same chick. No, it's another chick. I'm in a relationship. Now, with her, I'm telling her, like, man, I got a wee house and for work. I gotta go, I gotta go drop the weed off at this time and pick the weed up at this time, the money and stuff up at this time, right? She like, okay, that's a bit. So at the whole time, I'm gon' get her, take her to work. I gotta go pick her up and drop off. But I'm in a relationship, right? And in my mind, I still, man, man, I was charged with her though. I still, man, I'm sitting there, right? We getting, man, we getting some money. I'm to my charge, man, I'm to my money. So I'm like, damn.   I'm doing, bro. You know what I'm saying? And it was just him and his cousin, don't tell you.  Man, you trippin', man, that's a hoe, man. I said, bro, to give you that money, man.     I'm telling you, man.  So bam, I kept going with it. But every time I came home, I kind of felt guilty. But at that time, the girl I was with, she was a purge girl. So whenever she be like, start trippin', you gon' get her a purge. She gon' get a brand new purge. Oh, she get a brand new purge. Everything good. Yeah, so now we done moved to this big old house. Man, pimpin' good, man, pimpin' good. Does she ask you where all this money comin' from to buy all this stuff? I told her I had a couple of house out there in full work. Yeah, she thought I was a trap, boy. She thought I was a dope, boy. But I'm tellin' like, nah, even though, so we went up and gettin' that house. Oh, man, yeah. So now my mind said is, I got to leave this alone. Because at the end of the day, if it'll crash on me, I know it, I mean, I got the feeling. Man, I still, my boy chosen. I said, man, I'm through, bro.   I said, man, I'm finna go pick her up.  And you only had one girl? I had one. Wow, you makin' that money. But I had probably one of the baddest things out there in forward.  I was chosen, what's here right now? When you picked up, what'd you do with? Man, she worked at Rick's, right? She used to have a white guy. The white guy was a person that didn't even rich. So he's, I never bought nothin' for her. Never, I never bought nothin'. He'd take her shoppin', her done. He, I never, I never spent a dollar. Every dollar she made, came to me. I didn't have to spend no money on her. Cause he spent all the money on her. And she gon', I'm talkin' every single day, she never let her leave that club with no less than $500. Okay. She's that bad. Oh man, I was charstin' with her. Man, I wish my boy were with her, bro. I really wanna understand how you and Charleston met. I was gonna get to that bit. We met in T.Y.C. We was, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, I saw all that time. Yeah, we bagged, baby. You're going through all of that? Yeah, that's how... You've known him from that long? Yeah, we were 15 when we met, bro. You know what, this bringin' them some good stuff for me right here. How did you get back in contact cause you were gone a long time? When I came home, I saw Charleston at visit table and he came to see his brother, Onbito. Okay. But Charleston was already out here. We were still connected because of my dudes, which is my Patrick Weatherall, That's who a Charleston was hanging with everything before he went to the face. You think it's going way back. Yeah, that's why I'm telling you about this is not no, we just don't hang it. No, when I got out, Charleston came to my house and barbecued. I love it. Yeah, so you got to really not like this. That is dope, man. So let me ask you a question, because I got to get in the game related, not gang related. Hold on, but he didn't tell us how long you were doing that for eight months. It was right over. So what I did was at that time, I had a. How did you stop a nagging cop? That's what I did. That's what I did. I came in, walked in there. I said, hey, boom, I gave it like seven, five, nine. I said, you got the game. You got a good trick. You know what to do. Me and I'm finished. She like, for real? I said, man, I'm through. I'm through. I said, I can't do it no more. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Putting your pimp stick down. I left, went to the higher. And I just. Did you get a job?  So I was like, I was living off that. You know what I'm saying? What about Charleston? What did he say? You wouldn't hang with him no more. Well, I used to steal a holly char's because I had stopped going forward now because now I'm, you know, I'm through with that. You know what I'm saying? Charleston thought I was crazy. You know what I'm saying?  I said, man, I just, I just had a feeling, bro. I said, man. You didn't want to go back because you knew what's coming close to that.  And one day. Your mama was still alive at this time? Yeah, but mama's still here. Still here now. Okay. So one day I had went to the room to get her. And I seen a lot of laws. That scared you.  I said, man. So they said, no, man, they doing a prostitution pick up and they doing this and doing that. And didn't get her. But I'm like, oh, Lord. I said, oh, yeah, man, this, but then she never get got cause she didn't do that. She, she wasn't. Out on the street. She, it was different. Yeah. She was a high class. She just had one, like she had just one white guy that. Oh, that's it, one? I'm sorry. She has, I mean, when she goes to the club, she gonna get her money, but I'm saying this one white guy going to make sure that she need nothing. She'll go to Florida. She'll go to wherever with him. What year was this? Man, that was in 2012, 2013. 2013. Like 2012, 2013. Then I stopped. That was a black girl. She was, yeah, she was mixed. She was mixed. So after all of this now, when did it, when did you have to get a job? Cause the money went, money dwindled out. I need to understand how you met Charleston. Okay. I'm not. You said CYC. Yeah, I'm talking about, but when you met him, how, how this, this relationship done went on all this time. See, when I met Charleston, right, we was gang bang. We were both rolling. Now at the time when I got there, see Charleston was rolling 60. See my partner. How, y'all, y'all the same age. Yeah. So, so what happened was at that time, we got a gym, you know what I'm saying?   You know what I'm saying? We out there doing our thing. So bam, when I got put on the set, now we both represent the same set. You see what I'm saying? We both rolling 60.  See people don't really know that. Like, he is now.  Cause he was, back then he was already in college. He was, that nigga was smart. I know. You see what I'm saying?   It didn't take that much for him to get, to go off. Me. Right. So now we go through, like that's how we met, right? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?   You know what I'm saying? Like, nigga, we gonna rock together. You know what I'm saying? So that is funny. That's my nigga. I'm gonna tell you, I can't keep messing with him about that. It's because he said something on my show when we was in Vegas. He was like, we was there together.  Nigga, you taught my Dubair, but I didn't know how deep y'all was. I'm just talking like, in my mind, I'm like, how'd he have Dubair? Cause people in the comment, he didn't even stand up. But I'm like, dude, well they just co-hosting together. You know, I don't know the whole story at this time. But when Charleston said it on the story, he was like, man, my Dubair was there with me. He ain't come way up here to do nothing to me like that. You know? And I was like, dang man. So how was I listening to that too? Cause somebody sent me that interview. This hero was supposed to be a peaceful meeting. What? Before I pulled up, I was on the West Nile thing with Mob Jane there, right? Yeah, yeah. This was been a peaceful meeting, man. Man, listen, man, you came down here.  You see what I'm saying? It got, if you listen to the interview, I can tell you when it started going, cause I started trying to change the questions up. I see that. I heard it. I'm trying to, right? So when Charles was getting, Charles, ah, man, I'm, man. You know Charles, that's how it is. I love this dude, man. So here you go. Now Mob Jane is trying to hold this composure. Man, so he jumped up. Yeah. If you look at, we gon, we got released the real video. Yeah. Like, I'm, I'm like this. Why you like that, dude? I ain't seen no threat. I know a threat when I see a threat. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. You get it. You gotta, you gotta, it's, it's, it's instincts.  Look at the eyeballs. You see what I'm saying? Charles stood there and he said what he said. This is Charles. He said what he said. So now some people gon automatically look at it any kind of way because they don't like Charles, right? Great. But my thing is this here. And I tell everybody over and over and over again. Man, I'm from the old law. When you get no to know with somebody and you don't swain, it's never was in your heart to swain. You see what I'm saying? That's good stuff. So when you jump up, now you didn't jump up as no, to physically attack him. You jumped up because you wanted him to know like bro quit talking to me like this. Yeah. On this camera. Yeah. You cannot talk, Charleston. I don't even know why. You shouldn't even try. So that's why I tell a person why I didn't never, nigga, no, nigga, you think, nigga, I've been knowing Charles for my whole life. You hear me? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's what was funny to me. Nah, this is history. We got a history together. But I knew y'all was tight cause me and him talking. He was like, man, he made height. And I knew like he made height. I mean, if he made up that name, he just really needed it. Yeah. He told me, hey man, look, this is what we're gonna do. I said, man, I've been working on something like shoulder to him, right? He was like, bro, what we gonna do? We gonna do height? We gonna start talking and speaking. And I'm like, cool. How was that part? Like to see him go from the part where he started going to the city hall. That's why I respect him. You know why? Because, bro, listen, I was with Charleston forward telegram. We did a story, right? I did not know you was with Charleston all this time, bro. That's crazy. You see that transformation. I told Charleston, bro, no disrespect. I gotta get some money, man. He kept going down there. You can do whatever. Man, Charleston, they never, ever, ever stop. He helping them kids. I was watching them. I said, man, Charleston out there. I said, man, Charleston going crazy out there. What was his cause when you first seen it? So you never saw this vision. You couldn't understand his vision. That's really what it was. No, I didn't. I'm honest. What did it? I wouldn't have started. Hold on. What happened that made you change your mind, that you were able to see that vision? On the phone call. With who? Charleston. What did he say? He called him. Hey, what's up with it? Hey, what's up with it, my boy? What, what, what? I'm like, man, what's going on, man? You know what I'm saying? So he telling me, I said, man, what is going on, bro? You is going crazy. And he said, no, man, I'm putting this mac in there. See, listen, when we was sitting up going down, see how, when we were doing everything, doing this here, he said, no, I had to learn the game, nigga. I want to learn the T-shirt game, I gotta learn the game now. Nigga, listen, the car's going that way, right?  You. Okay, then. Then I'm gonna serve you with some game. You see what I'm saying? So now once he, that nigga Charleston smart. So now he making y'all follow me cause he, and now when you look at him, he got something to say.  I seen him do it. He do. You get what I'm saying? See, nobody, see people look at certain things. I'm like, now you gotta look at the art that Charleston doing it in. Charleston making people look this big. You see what I'm saying? When they trying to look this big. See what I'm saying? He doing it to him. And that was hurting them the most. You see what I'm saying? It hurts. It hurts when somebody played a psychological game with you. And you said that. And that's why I always told him. Has he ever tried to do that on you? And you tell him. No, he ain't. Y'all friends, they be doing that stuff. No, no. When I be listening to Charleston, I talk to him. We talk, you know what I'm saying? And we just kick it. You know what I'm saying? Like that's my problem. Like what's up? We kick it. Charleston gonna turn my game to a whole other thing. Cause man, I couldn't do this at first. I couldn't do this. I already know. I was like, bro, I can't do that, man. He was like, bro, you can get paid for talking. I said, man, I tried that Charleston, but man, we went to the school. We went to the juvenile.  I said, trust me, I tried that already, bro. I said, man, no, bro. He said, listen, bro, trust me, man. Now I get the chance to see the vision.    No matter what you do in this world, somebody's job is to work.  Okay, right? So if you looking for everybody to like you, that mean that you trying to please too many people, right? So therefore, not only is Charleston doing what he's doing, he really helping the kids. When them kids came from the juvenile system, that's we gonna be real. When them kids came from that juvenile system, Charleston was right there. Real talk. And I know that. When Charleston was in stop six. You hear me? I had it on the screen. He was barbecuing with them little kids and doing all that for them kids, bro. When nobody else, I want even a. Buying shoes? Now, Charleston was buying them kids shoes, man. Charleston was getting them kids. People can run their mind for all they want to. But ain't no person that's running their mind can say that they really in a community doing something to help our D kids. So I always tell a person, if you talk about Charleston, you need to tell me what you doing. Because Charleston being y'all with the mile piece, he ain't never heard a name one of y'all. He don't even think about her name one of y'all. That ain't even in his mindset. He just know he can not talk y'all.  So I'm gonna go back a little bit. I'm gonna go back to the mob, James things one more time.  And, well, they straightened it up because it really wasn't what he thought it was at first. Exactly. So I mean, how difficult that is that for, like you on the show, is that the first show they ever go South like that? I mean, that's the only show we had to go South That's what I'm thinking. That's the only one. But I kind of knew it was anyway. I'm gonna be honest with you. It seemed like it was leading up to that. The reason why I knew that is because you gotta realize Mob James in California. Yeah. So, Charlton having conversation of words with individuals from California. California wanna know a lot of things, right? About why Charlton's saying what he's saying. So you got Mob James on that. So Mob James is trying to, hey, man, I wanna speak for California. We wanna know like why you saying what you saying. Right or wrong? Right. See what I'm saying? Charlton felt that. So I seen how the conversation had started going. But this is what I'm saying. Even about the Nipsey situation, right? I respect Nipsey. Nipsey was a real live leader. Yeah, I met him. You see what I'm saying?  That was Nipsey vision, right? You know how many people went against Nipsey when Nipsey was alive. You know how many people that went against Nipsey? Oh, it was a lot of people and not just went against him, but a lot of people weren't interested. When I took my wife and when we was going over there, nobody wasn't going over there like that. I'm telling you, when we went, how many people was in there? It wasn't a lot of people, maybe two. He was living at this time. So you gotta realize, we met because my family, we do a store here and my kids grew up in this store. His family, they do a store. So when we met in Vegas, we clicked. And I went, when I said we clicked, we talked and I was interested in him because of what I do. And it's the same counter as what he had. When we met there, we seen his father there. We seen his brother, me and Black Sam took pictures and hung out. That way, man. Yeah, cause we both doing the same thing. Exactly. I'm being real. This is how I met them. But get what you just said though. You a real man that was going to Cali to meet up with somebody that was on a mission. I go to that one, but I can name more. I go to all of the Black owned businesses and brothers that are trying to do stuff. So I think, with that being said, I think that's the thing that kinda draw me to y'all. It's just the realness. Cause when I met Charleston, it was like, I looked into what he doing and I see the real in it. I don't look at what's happening, like when he come bring them kids to me. Or if I looked at, you know what I mean? Like I'm like, damn, this dude, he really trying to help these kids and I see what he had done before. And I look at all the plaques that they then gave him and all the stuff that the city don't recognize them for. And I say, damn, this is something that's unusual. Cause you don't see nobody going for the community like that. And I'm not trying, you know what I'm saying? I'm just being real. You don't, you don't see that. That's not normal. That's why I like the Nipsey. Yeah. I like the Nip because of what he was really doing, bro. Nip, yeah, he geeked you up in the culture game, right? But Nip had a vision. Well, some people didn't have that vision. They wanted to keep Nip there. I gotta say this though, when, when Charleston say, man, F Nipsey, what, what do you think? What do you get from that? I holler at him. I'm like, bro, what you doing? And when he told me, like, bro, isn't, I already know what he told me. He's the character of Nipsey. I know it. That's what he, I knew exactly what he's done. Not. I already seen it. Niggas is following for Nip. He called it his real name. Yeah, uh-uh, you know. Is it Aubrey? Yeah, Aubrey, yeah, Nip real name. He would say that's what he says. That's who I fight for. Him, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I'm sitting there like, damn, OK, cool. But now Muff will be like, bro, you let him say something about Nipsey. Nigga, listen to what you just said. You said that he says something about Nipsey. Like, I support the crowd, charge him by his neck, strangle him or do whatever, right? Because he said something about Nipsey, right? And that's what I tell the person, bro. And this is real life. Same thing. Nipsey family living good. They done left California, homie. Nigga. Know why they left California? Because of the betrayal that went on against Nipsey. They left California, homie. Let's keep it one thousand. How many people did you know? We're going to keep it one thousand. We're going to keep it one thousand, boss talk. Every time somebody died. Why do people always do this here? Man, that was my homie, nigga. That was my nigga, man. I love that nigga, man. But nigga, you just tried to do something. Remember, nigga, he gave you that pack and you ran out with it, nigga. But when he died, it's, man, that's my nigga. That's what, when I look at what's going on, nigga, I'm hoping they can open your eyes up and say, man, say, man, have that same energy with your next homie while he alive. That's real. I told people the same thing when Kobe died. It was like, they were, niggas went, my co-host, he ain't here today. I got another co-host and he hit Charleston and like him a lot and they money Moses and money Moses don't say whatever, man. You know what I'm saying? And when Kobe died, the first, soon as it happened, instant tape, we just had put this together. We cut it off for a year because of COVID and all that. But when it, when Kobe first died, we were sitting right in here. We had put this tape together, me and him. And he said, man, help that nigga, man, that nigga a ball hog, man.  Right in the midst of, he a ball hog. He was, I don't like that nigga. And my partner from up in New York called, he was living, man, why are you with that bus, man? Why are you, it was the same effect like a Charleston would have. Because it was so, that's why, when they seen each other and met, they clicked. I'm like, you nigga talk and say the same crazy stuff. So y'all should be together. I mean, that's what I'm saying. But anyway, the thing was, when I spoke on it, I was speaking to the fact of, I didn't know Kobe and I didn't watch basketball like that. But I'm telling you what I said was, this instance, I hate to see what just happened to him and his daughter. This should make families go home and hug. That's what it's supposed to do, homie. This should make families go home and love their loved ones more because a wife should love her husband stronger. A father should hold his daughter stronger. Because this is what that should affect because you don't know him. If you don't know him, how can you act this way on something you don't know, yeah, it hurt. But we got people that's dying every day. Every day, homie. And that was the part right there. That, you know, think about it from this perspective. God could have took him away because he didn't want to see something that was going on with Kobe. Come on, bro. You don't know, we're not God. You know what, you know what get to me, man, a lot. I respect, like I said, I love, you know what I'm saying? Nip, whatever you do. Let's say Nip said passed away, right? And he was all across the world. Everybody was like, man, that was morning nip, right? And I'm like, cool. Who gonna take up what Nip was doing? Who gonna step up? Nip's store got shut down, homie. Yeah, I know. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Let's stop playing this, no, no, Nip's store got shut down. Who stood up to say, no, we gonna keep this alive? We really gonna do this, right?   Shit fabricated. I get it. You see what I'm saying? But in life, everything that is created, especially if it's created for division, that's the devil. The devil.  Facts. Whether it's our people, or against black and white, against countries to countries. Facts. That's him just keeping, imagine if this world was united, the way in which we should be.  Exactly. Well, when Charleston speak, and I say Charleston, cause he be everywhere talking and saying everything, about the gangs, he was really looking to the fact of, man, I'm not with that. Now you know what I know, he was, he grew up and we didn't understand that to me. I could say from my point of view, I don't understand how the Crips started in California. I didn't give a thing about it. I wore blue, nigga, that's what I did. I did it because my school color blue, I told the story the other day. I really wasn't concerned about, but then when it became a thing, oh yeah, I'm with the blue boys. And I didn't really know the history of it. I'm being real. I did it with the blue, nigga, cause my school was blue and nigga, I liked the color.  You know what got me on that? What? Colors. Colors was, I just talked to, who did I talk to about that? You know Melvin Farmer? Yeah, yeah. That day. He said he hadn't watched colors. In the midst of this, while all this going on about the game, and I don't know if I should even say, but I don't care. Charleston puts a phone call in for me, to California, have all these dudes to pull up and interview, you know, with Boss Talk, while I'm in Cali, while they talking about he against the California, whatever. This nigga is making moves for me while this is going on. Exactly. This is wild. The internet is crazy dawg. Super crazy. It's crazy and it leads, it gives a false perception because in the midst of what's going on, it's some realness in this thing where Charleston can pick up the phone and call and have somebody to meet a nigga from Texas to do something with a nigga from Texas while all is so called going on and it's niggas that they saying mad at him. Think about that for a minute. But this has been going on from, no, but you gotta think about it. Even before social media, back in the days, like example, me growing up in Jamaica, you had, you always had DJ, this DJ is against this DJ because it keeps the money going because the people following this one because yeah, this is the one who's for the streets, this one is for the girls, so it's either being near a bounty, you either, you know what I'm saying, anything that you do, like I remember when Twilight came out, you either this guy or this guy, you know what I mean? Okay. So to me, it's always been going on even before social media, I'm more now because of social media, but as I got older as a kid, you know, you either chose one because you're a kid. As you get older, you're like, I wonder if these two people are even friends. They're probably friends and they're just doing this because that's how they make their money. Exactly. Because you can only do this for so long and as you get older as well, because they're getting older as well, now they're friends. You know what I mean? But it's the people still be like, oh no, it's either him or him. For what? Exactly. I mean, this is a wild time because I really, like I said, since I met Charleston and you and all that, man, you know, I'm 10 toes down. You know what I mean? Real life. Because it's helping something. Real life. And I had stopped doing what I felt I should have been doing a long time ago, really like consistently when I first met you. I'm talking about 20, we've been together almost 20 years. Life, man. And when I met Charleston, I told her, and I've met other organizations too, but Charleston was so direct and real on helping the individuals that we said, and I got a big, she know me like a book. I have to do it, else I'm not going to respect it. If you say it and don't do it, I don't respect it. Yeah. And everything that this dude brought to me with these kids and the things that he called me about, he's like, yeah, man, we're going to do this. It's an action item. It's not a, it's not a, it's like, let's do it. Because you know what's most important because this world again, and I'm going to always say to the devil, have ways of getting us so busy and caught up in real life, where sometimes we put other things on the back burner, even the kids and so forth, because you get so busy with working that you're like, okay, I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that. Because in your heart, in your mind, you want to do it, but you get so busy doing this that you put certain things on the back burner. But with him, he always keep it on the forefront, no matter what. Because you say, you thought he was crazy the way he was running out there talking to the city and dealing with all that. Yeah, yeah, for real. That had to be a wild time for you because you seen the transition. I saw it. I saw the transition. I saw, I listened to it. I heard it was the time he was going to the city council, I mean, to the meetings continuously. Man, I'm talking about he was done. I seen him in there and then kicked him out. The mayor and then kicked him out. What was that all about? You knew him during that time. But at that time, man, you had them pulled up on him. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You like this nigga going to here. Yeah, you know, I was doing, you know, but I'm sitting there like I'm watching.  That's what I said. I'm not playing. I ain't no. I said the same thing.  They haven't done it.  And he, and he speak with, with, he know how to deal with it. And the funny thing, ain't nobody black that's done that, that don't, that's not running for something. You know what I mean? Not running for mayor, not running for, because a lot of people who were set up to try to do certain. They have the ulterior motive. They have the ulterior motive that they're running for something down the line.  Yeah. He's not even doing that. He's not. Why do you think he's doing what he does? I was just about to say, what is his end game? And I probably have to ask him there because I never win game. But Eric Bestra, I want to know if you know. That's his end game. What is his end game? He give me out a front game. That's his end game. It's the kids. That's it. That's his end game. He done told you that. He don't want to run for politics? No. No, he can't. Because the reason why it's like this real. You can't say certain things. You can't say certain things. And I can't. Charleston said what you want to say. Because he came out. Doing it. Doing it. You see what I'm saying? That's just the way he is. He's saying the thing that we, in reality, some of the stuff he be saying, we want to say he, but we be like, oh man, I can't, but you hit it on the nail though. He hit it on the nail. I'm going to tell you something. Something he recently did, was something Dallas Global recently posted, was something that he said in reference to Jay Prince and them guys. But he was just saying, like in my, from my point of view, like Jay Prince not doing anything in Dallas. Like he don't have nothing to do it in Houston, but in Dallas, Dallas pretty much just kind of on his own is what he was alluding to. Am I right? You are, listen, I'll speak on that. I'm just, yeah, that's what I felt. We respect. Definitely respect Jay Prince. Jay Prince. Because he was, man, Jay Prince did it and got away with it. Yeah, and he started hip hop, really. He did it and he got away with it. He helped starting the sound. Then what I keep telling people, he did it and got away with it. He learned how to play chess and he played it to the fullest. He did it and got away with it. You got to respect any black man that did that. You salute. Definitely respect it. Dallas, Texas. Ray Charles feels. Ray Charles. We seen the Curtis blows. Curtis blows. Boy, you named them. You seen the Jamaicans? The Jamaicans? Yeah, they did it. You see what they mean, man. You talking about them. You got to give Jamaicans their props. What's your name, man? Oh, man, we got him out of here. Man, we had so many Jamaicans, man. We had a lot of them. So let's say I'm Dallas, it was a bunch of them. So we had, what I'm saying is Dallas. Ray Charles, Mexican Rose. Ain't nobody. I can name them. Yeah, but ain't nobody. Ran this model. Nobody, you can't name them. Everybody's had their sections of what they were doing. But nobody ran this. I don't care who you are, what you say, nigga, these are facts, right? Dallas is not built like that. We're not built like that. You see what I'm saying? We, nowadays, people go to different places. Man, listen, up from where's Dallas? At that time, during the Jamaican era, we never had a Jamaican to come to where's Dallas. They was inside Dallas? Never. Now, where's Dallas different? I can tell you that. They different over there.  It was a whole, man. In that whole, man, you couldn't come in that whole. You couldn't come inside that whole. That was a whole. You see what I'm saying? Dallas is not like nowhere else, man. Dallas is Dallas, man. And I keep telling people that, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like no disrespect to nobody. But man, ain't nobody running Dallas. We had too many big dogs. Don't get it twisted. You still got big dogs that's quiet in Dallas. Which is a smart thing to be. Yeah. See, people get the wrong misinterpretation because of the entertainment. That's right.  Don't get that twisted, too. You got, you get what I'm saying? Social media. But I always remember that. The entertainment, they gotta make somebody big for the blacks. They got to, cause you, it's a hip hop culture, right? That's right. Say they'll come and get you right now and make you to be the queen of Dallas, Texas, right? And guess what? If J.M.I.V.M. co-signed you, guess what, you'll be the queen of Dallas.  They made you that. But the smart thing to do is when they do that, they keep their eyes off of everybody else. Exactly. I know what you're talking about. So that's why I keep telling people like, we just living in the world, where the entertainment, doing what they doing. People see these rappers with all their gym.  Nigga, do you know that the person that's gave him that check, what they doing? They controlling. They give you a run. They give you some money. Hey, I need you to look good. Make sure you get them jib around the necklace, boy. Yeah, boy, I see you, boy. You got a run. You might have a five, you're wrong. On that six year, you try to figure out what your money at. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Cause the game ain't been served correctly. You not my opp, you not my opp. You got a deal, you got a deal. Say it, man, they just gave you some money. They just gave you some money. Bro, let's come together and let's come put this money together. So therefore we can buy some of this land out here. We can go to the country and buy some of this land out here, bro. When we gonna start thinking like that? Yeah, it's not. You get what I'm saying? So therefore it's like, who is doing the coming? Say, I mean, I love to see the young dude with money. I love it, but I always tell him.  Your money. What are you gonna do with it? Your money, you might have a million dollars. If you pay $100,000 a month, guess how fast that million dollars is gonna go? It's gonna be on phase. You give it up to you? If you know how to replenish. You know, all of this is because of education. And when I say education, a lot of times they don't educate our kids in proper finances. Well, it's not up to them to educate our kids. So that's why- But you say it's up to us, but some of these parents had not been educated as well. Well, then that's why- So how are they able to educate their kids? All I know is the people who do have educations, a lot of times, they kids grow up and end up leaving or being failures because they give them too much. You've seen that. But that's what I wanna fight for. Like, no disrespect, bro. I could, YouTube channel going, okay, we gotta go on. I wanna talk about that because you've been working on that a lot. I've been proud of you. I've been looking at your moves you're making. I'm like, now you're working on it. The reason for that, I'm gonna give you the reason for that, right? When I start the podcast, I'm gonna be honest with y'all. I'm not a camera guy. I'm not. One on one, we gonna go to, right? So when we used to do our podcast, if you go back and listen to the first couple, I used to let Charleston do it all the time. I might say a couple of words, right? So I'm like, damn, this show is built up for Charleston. You see what I'm saying? Charleston's just giving me an assist, right? Mm-hmm. People wanna hear Charleston. They wanna see Charleston. Mm-hmm. You see what I'm saying? I'm like, okay, that's good. I'm not the kind of person that's finna say, no, nigga, I'm bigger than Charleston. Nigga, nigga, this is about me. Never do that. Sit back. And you watch Ed the Plan for you. Hey, man, it's time. Charleston, look, we finna go ahead and get my YouTube going. So now when we do game-related, not game-related, if your YouTube jumping and my YouTube jumping, we both got fan base, so when we come together, guess what? Now here come the money, it gon' come easy, right? That's right. Let's use this, right? Mm-hmm, we supposed to. Okay. Ain't nobody came to me. The only person that came to me hit me up was Brother Ben X. Man, I always gotta shout him out. Brother Ben X, boy.  Hey, man, you see, welcome to the kids. You need something? I said, well, we gotta grab a couple of little helpers with them. And he sent me a thousand dollars. He sent me a thousand dollars. He seemed like a good dude. So now, he telling me different platforms like Facebook, how we can make the money out of Facebook, right? So here I am. I'm like, okay, I get you, Brother Ben. I get him. I really do, now, okay? Now, people starting to see what's going on. I don't care about the negativity. You can't care about the haters. You can't. I know one thing. If we get it where we getting it at, I have the building. I have them kids in there. They'll be learning code. They'll be learning how to do trade. They'll be learning financing that we just talked about that they don't do. These kids are learning stock markets. They ain't learning how to, they don't understand what credit gives. What is credit? They don't understand it. Right?  He fighting. He get beat up. He come in. How can you get mad if you ain't never taught him how to fight? You can. Let me ask you, how hard would it be to, I know we're doing this or your plan is to do this for the kids and provide this avenue for them. How hard would it be to get this implemented in the school system? Where all the schools, whether in, I would love it to start in middle school. You know what I mean? Yes ma'am. Teaching about credit. The two things, just credit and investing. Stocks and all of that. Start them off in, in middle school. Learning is, how hard would that be to get that into a school curriculum? I don't think it'd be hard. You know what I think? We're not celebrities, right? Let's get, we're not celebrities. But if we had some celebrities. Some Jay Z's and.  And what I wanna do is I wanna install this, this, this here. They not gonna tell them no. They not gonna tell them no.  They gonna look at you crazy. They gonna look at you crazy, right? Because I think it's a money game too. Yes, there's celebrities. It's a money game. Yes, there's celebrities, but guess what? How much money are they donating to that school? Exactly. How many months, how much money are they donating to that system? It goes back to the money. It goes right back to the money. Exactly. But do you, do, do, okay, so we know that the school's not gonna do it. So how do we put a plan of action together to start it the same way you was just saying?  The only thing I can think of. You see what I'm saying? The only thing. So what you're doing and what you're saying far as the action items, that's why, like I said, when I keep saying Charleston, I don't look at the, I look at what the person is doing that can affect the area that they can affect, man. You know what I think? You understand what I'm saying? We can do theory. We can talk about things far out, but what can you do tomorrow? And I'm thinking about reaching the masses because you're talking about having a building and having the kids come here to learn that. And I love, cause it has to start somewhere, but I'm also thinking about reaching the masses of kids that need to know this information, whether you offer after school program online, cause everything nowadays, when the pandemic show you that you can easily get virtual classes easily.  And then the rest of it would have to be, we can get assistance, whether from the government or from whatever, if you can't afford this class, you know what I mean? But then be able to offer that for, I always go, I'm going right back to middle school because these kids are learning a lot at a young age that is not educational. Why can't they learn that at a young age? You know what I mean? Who fight for it? Who fight for it? Again, nobody. There's nothing about what we're saying. Who fighting for that? Who even, who even care about that? Correct. Who even care if those kids in middle school even got the correct books? And the reason, and that brings up a valid point because when you really look at it, when you start to break it down, you could go to lean on me to move it.   You remember that? Yeah, exactly. She got him locked up. She cared about what her agenda was and I think that's what we deal with in a lot of the school system, a lot of terminology.  And I think they're paying high salaries to a lot of people in a lot of positions and that's all that person in that high place with a lot, in that position, all he cares about is to make sure that money stay coming in the way it is, right? Exactly. Exactly. Well, do Barry, man, been an interesting conversation, man, we can do this all the time, brother. Yeah, yeah, no, man. I think, man, you're gonna do some stuff together. You don't even realize it yet though, but I got some ideas and stuff to be honest with you. I've been thinking about different ways to try to do something bigger. I always, we always think it. At some point, you know, we can take something and try to figure out a way to create something special. I think what you said about you doing what you doing and Charleston doing what he doing because y'all been on the platform long enough together now where people do know who do Barry is. Exactly. So it's time to break up. That's the same thing with me and my wife here. Exactly. She can do a whole different type of show right now because people are steadily seeing us grow in this market. So it's a smart thing to understand business when it comes to this internet, man, how to move in this internet phase that we're in. And so why not take a shot at it? You already been consistently doing it. You got to. How long have you been doing that now? We've been doing it for a minute. A year yet? I know they done gave me some good game. I done picked up. It's been a while. It's been like almost a year though. That's right. So now at some point you gotta start saying, okay, these people conditioned to hear me. Now I want to give them something isolated to me so we can grow with the people who want to do what I'm doing. Exactly. So I respect it. I like it too. I love what you're doing, man. I respect God, bro. I've seen you boxing one day. Yeah, yeah, I'll be here. I saw that. You did too? I did, I saw that. No, I watch you, bro. I love you, bro. So when God put me with people, she know how I am. I love hard. That's why I went with... Charleston first came over here and we gave him that plaque.  I gave him a plaque. We came in here, I'm totally different than anybody. We brought him over here and gave him a plaque and said, thank you for what you're doing in them communities. Nobody ain't done that. I was the first one to do that. When I brought him over here, I put the pictures up on the thing. Thanks, thanks. I like that, I like that. And you go back and watch that episode, you'll be like, matter of fact, me and Charleston said, he said, I ain't put the... He did three videos here. Charleston had been over doing different stuff. Yeah, he always gonna show little things. But I never put the videos out. But I respect him and what we were trying to accomplish so much. And I romanticized the footage. I'm like, nah, this is for us. Man, I always see him bringing people through here, man. You know what I'm saying? And that's respect. So that's why I say, man, like, man, you're doing something right, bro. I try. I mean, you know. My wife, my kids, we here. We need people to really connect. Like, we really need that, right? And everybody gotta play that role. I just don't like when everybody try to play a role that they don't need to be playing. Got it. You get what I'm saying? Yes, sir. So what do you think about, what do you think about Boss Talk, man? Stop playing, man. Nah, man, this is a great platform. I love it. Really? Nah, this is a great platform. And everybody need to be talking about this. Nah, nah, this need to be, this, yeah. Nah, I'm watching how you're, I'm watching how you're getting different people involved. You've been checking it out. Yeah, but that's what we need. We need, I mean, I don't want to say, I don't want to say certain things, right? But some people in the way. Yeah. Some people in the way. They not for the culture, bro. You know what Uncle Henie told me on the phone just a week or so ago, he was like, even I came over there that day and I brought my wife over there, man. I wanted to show my wife that it was some people that's trying to help people just like me. Trying to, you know, just actually got good hearts just trying to help somebody. Yeah, man. Cause it's hard. We don't have that, bro.  And we wear our hearts on our sleeves. So a lot of people when they come in, they can see the genuine, you know, intentions from us. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So you know who, five minutes in to come and say you know a person.  You can tell a person just like that. If you really- He's looking their eyes. Be real with yourself. You gonna know.  Man, I don't care what nobody's saying. I say it over and over again. You look at the person now, bro. Man, they gonna let you know everything. They said that the eyes is the gateway to the soul. Yeah. When you look at them eyes, if you look over there, you gotta look over there too. Cause somebody man, what's going on? I'm back there. Yeah, man. They said they had those tell tales. Like if you ask somebody a question and they lying, they look sort of like that. To the left. They didn't want some truth statements. I'm telling you. No thank you, man. We don't want to hold you down, man. We love you, bro. We love you, man. Today wasn't me, hey man. Hey man, I want to say man that this was one of the smoothest interviews I done had. Well, how can people get a hold of you? Hey man, you know I got the YouTube page. Yeah, let's talk about it, man. What's the name of a YouTube page? It's the As in the Doob ever fist YouTube page, man. Quality game, man. Hey, man. What about on Instagram? Instagram, man. It's Money Mr. Blue, man. Man, I'm so proud to see you stepping out here. But I can tell you getting out here. Yeah, man, I'm getting out here. At the comfort zone, yeah. Like, eat going out there. I want like this at first. But it's... I'm showing y'all. Let me tell you.  Yeah, okay. See where are your shoes? I love to talk. I love to talk to people, but I love to talk to people on a one-on-one basis. All the people she knows. Can't be over here and let's talk about life. Let's talk about everything. There's like things that I'm asking. I love to talk about stuff like that because I always feel like I'm here to help. That's me. But don't catch me in a crowd. You will not... I'll be the quietest person in a crowd.  No. So when he first said, let's do this. And I heard my voice. I'm like, ugh. Like you can use it. That was my thing. Hearing my voice. I hated hearing my voice. Because you're not used to it. Because talking like this, I can't hear myself.  I listen to it. He does. Because he got an attitude. When I be listening to the stuff I be doing, I be like, eh. Because at first it took me a minute to really go because I'm like, and I be sounding crazy, bro. Because sometimes like... I'm like, why did I say that? When do I say I'm right? I'm different. Do I say? You know what I be saying? Like, yeah. I be like, I killed it. Oh, I can get up there and just put the phone up there and look at that and be like, yeah, man. What's going on, man? But you know why? It doesn't take time to grow into something, man. But you graduated a lot more quicker than I have to me because then I'll do this. But there's so many times I want to go on live and just start, I see people on there doing it and talking and I'm like, I'm not ready for that yet.   So I could be driving on the street and something crazy happened or something happened. I'm like, ooh, I need to talk about that. That would be a good conversation. Exactly. But then I just don't do it because I'm like, nah. Me need to catch it like that.  Doing a good job. When I be doing it, I look. So I be looking at the comments, right? So I'm looking at the comments. You need to hold that camera steady. Oh, yeah. Because I be looking, because I was trying to get a good picture of you because you have no pictures hardly on social media. So I took that from a video, but in that video, every minute of it. So I gotta say, that's why I'm getting to a stabilizer. That's why I said, I'm gonna have to go, I'm gonna give me one of the stabilizers and I'm gonna give my look. I'm gonna get it set up. You gotta keep it steady. Yeah, you're doing a good job, man. You gotta do good pictures every now and again. So if somebody needs to snatch a picture for a reason, we can snatch a picture. So you need to do a photo shoot. I need to. Real talk. I got you. It's that time. You know, I can bring it. We can do it. It's that time. We've figured out. Oh, man, boss talk, man. We like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get you a photo shoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get the nigga to shoot it. You ain't gotta worry about having to come over there. Man, y'all got me feeling like I know what I'm doing.   Nigga, stop crying. Say, man, we love you, bro. Listen, man, we love you, man. You ain't, man. Thank you for coming on the show, man. I appreciate it, too. Man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. And we out.