in the mid and early eighties and then um i don't know music is kind of in a weird it it it's in a very weird position right now i think that i mean i like you know things like to hear you know like what they call world music which is you know using all these natural forms of music and yeah yeah Paul Simon well you know really that's not world music but what what Paul Simon's doing i think is is is is great because he's
 i don't know music.