Mike, Good triumphs over bad - eventually! It does take a long time though! Maybe Ray P. wants to do something. He is more up to speed on all this - and reads French! Cheers Phil At 14:33 15/01/2008, Michael Mann wrote: Phil, thanks for sending on, I've sent to Ray P. The Passoti piece is remarkably bad for a Science "news" piece, it would be worth discussing this w/ the editor, Donald Kennedy who is quite reasonable, and probably a bit embarrassed by this. My french isn't great, but I could see there was something also about the Moberg reconstructions, Courtilot obviously trying to use that to arge that the recent warming isn't anomalous (even though the Moberg recon actually supports that it is). I'll need to read over all of this and try to digest when I have a chance later today. Keep up the good fight, the attacks are getting more and more desparate as the contrarians are increasingly losing the battle (both scientifically, and in the public sphere). one thing I've learned is that the best way to deal w/ these attacks is just to go on doing good science, something I learned from Ben... talk to you later, mike Well, the Phil Jones wrote: Gavin, Mike, Some emails within this and an attachment. Send on to Ray Pierrehumbert. Maybe you're aware but things in France are getting bad. One thing might be a letter to Science re the diagram in an editorial in Science. I did talk to the idiot who wrote this, but couldn't persuade him it was rubbish. This isn't the worst - see this email below from Jean Jouzel and Edouard Bard. My French is poor at the best of times, but this all seems unfair pressure on Edouard. See also this in French about me - lucky I can't follow it that well ! I know all this is a storm in a teacup - and I hope I'd show your resilience Mike if this was directed at me. I'm just happy I'm in the UK, and our Royal Society knows who and why it appoints its fellows! In the Science piece, the two Courtillot papers are rejected. I have the journal rejection emails - the other reviewer wasn't quite as strong as mine, but they were awfiul. Cheers Phil From: Jean Jouzel [1] Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: FYI: Daggers Are Drawn X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.166]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:07:14 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/5483/Mon Jan 14 15:45:01 2008 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 478BEB15.002 by Joe's j-chkmail ( [2] X-UEA-Spam-Score: 0.3 X-UEA-Spam-Level: / X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO Dear Phil, Yes the situation is very bad in and I was indeed going to write you to ask somewhat for your help in getting some support to Edouard, which is really needed. Certainly one thing you could do would be to write to the editor of Science at least pointing to the fact that the figure is misleading using again the seasonal above 20°N Briffa et al. data set as global. May be also at some point write something supporting the answer of Edouard and Gilles Delaygue, to EPSL ( or in answering the letter Courtillot has recently written see attached in which he is very critical with respect to your work). I don't know .... Yes I will be in Vienna , this will be a pleasure to meet you With my best Jean At 15:29 +0000 14/01/08, Phil Jones wrote: Jean, Will you be going to the EGU in Vienna this April? This disagreement with Courtillot seems to be getting out of hand. Edouard isn't having a great time at the moment. The data Courtillot used is not on the CRU web site. We did produce it, but for a paper Keith worked on in 2002. Courtillot's global is CRU data, but not the globe - it is land north of 20N and April to September only! The French Academy is looking a bit of a laughing stock! I did meet Courtillot in March last year - he was courteous, but he should read the literature! Cheers Phil X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at arbois.cerege.fr Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:20:00 +0100 To: Phil Jones [3] From: Edouard BARD [4] Subject: Re: Fwd: FYI: Daggers Are Drawn X-UEA-Spam-Score: 1.4 X-UEA-Spam-Level: + X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO >Courtillot says he will soon publish two studies arguing that methods used to measure global T need to be revised. Wonder if these are the two that I rejected! Maybe one day he'll realise that there is oceanic data! Cheers Phil Hello Phil, These are indeed the papers submitted to EPSL. Courtillot has control on other journals and I'm sure he will manage to publish them somewhere else ... As you can read below, Courtillot accused me publicly of scientific misconduct in a written message sent in copy to the president of the Academy of Science, to the president of the CNRS and to the Director of the Cabinet of the Ministry of Higher Education and Research. According to Courtillot, my misconduct is that I have acted as a hacker, introducing a "note added in proof" in my EPSL paper without the editor and the publisher even knowing it ! Courtillot even requested the organization this week of a secret meeting at the Academy in order to expose the case (yes, you've read it correctly, this is officially called "un comité secret"). I am not a member of the Academy and nobody is there to defend my case. Hence, I was obliged to write this long email to explain my position to some academicians. I'm not really planning for sending soon something to Science as my next week will be hectic with this "inquisition" committee against me and the impact of the "droit de réponse" in newspaper(s). I am sure that Courtillot will even use Pasotti's poor paper against me during the audit of the case at the Academy. As I am the main author for the Comment, sending a rebuttal to Science may even be counterproductive. Do you plan to send something to Science about the fact that the Figure misrepresent Tglobe ? I'm quite depressed because this is taking a lot of my time and energy. Everybody at home is mad at me, children and wife, because I spend hours and days in the lab writing and checking emails and answering phone calls. Best wishes, Edouard Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:13:14 +0100 To: [5]bard@cerege.fr From: Edouard BARD [6] Subject: Accusations de M. Courtillot Destinataires: Madame la Présidente du CNRS, Monsieur le Président de l'Académie des Sciences, Monsieur le Directeur de Cabinet de Madame la Ministre de l'Enseignement Supérieur et de la Recherche, Mesdames et Messieurs, Membres de l'Académie (incluant M. Courtillot). Chers Collègues, Je reviens à l'instant d'une tournée de conférences en Angleterre (Royal Geographical Society de Londres et Université de Cambridge). J'apprends avec stupeur que Monsieur Courtillot m'attaque personnellement et publiquement d'avoir eu un comportement contraire à l'éthique scientifique ("contrairement aux règles déontologiques, la note de M. Bard a été envoyée APRES acceptation de son commentaire critique", cf. plus bas le message envoyé hier le 11 janvier et dont vous êtes destinataires). Cette accusation surprenante est totalement infondée. Je rappelle que dans mon Commentaire qui vient d'être publié par la revue Earth & Planetary Science Letters (EPSL, pdf attaché), je n'ai proféré aucune accusation à l'égard de M. Courtillot. J'évite justement d'avoir un ton polémique en me cantonnant à des discussions dans l'arène scientifique, par exemple mes interventions lors du colloque organisé par M. Courtillot à l'Académie des Sciences (conférence et débat disponibles sur le site internet de l'Académie: [7] [8] ou mes publications, notamment ce 'Commentaire' Bard & Delaygue (2008 EPSL). Sur cette affaire, je n'ai accepté de faire aucun commentaire dans la presse et j'ai refusé toutes les demandes d'interview par les media audiovisuels. Même si je ne le voulais pas, je suis maintenant forcé de sortir de ma réserve et de me défendre publiquement contre les accusations de M. Courtillot. La "note added in proof" dont vous parle M. Courtillot a été soumise normalement pour approbation au rédacteur d'EPSL (editor en anglais), M. Rob van de Hilst du MIT, comme le demande classiquement l'éditeur Elsevier (publisher) lorsqu'il envoie les épreuves d'un article à son auteur. Vous trouverez ci-dessous la copie de mon dernier échange à ce sujet avec M. van der Hilst qui explique clairement que je n'ai absolument rien à me reprocher. M. van der Hilst écrit lui-même "INDEED, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING IN ASKING MY APPROVAL.". Le fait que ma "note added in proof" ait été incluse dans la version sous presse de notre Commentaire est simplement dû à une erreur technique de l'éditeur Elsevier. Il est évidemment IMPOSSIBLE pour un auteur de modifier lui-même quoi que ce soit sur le site web d'Elsevier ! La meilleure preuve que cette fameuse note a été CRUCIALE pour clarifier l'origine des données utilisées par M. Courtillot est que justement le rédacteur, M. van der Hilst, a finalement décidé de la publier in extenso pour expliquer aux lecteurs son importance (sa note éditoriale complète est copiée plus bas). M. van der Hilst écrit ainsi "Bard and Delaygue noticed inconsistencies in the citation of data sources in Courtillot et al. (2008). and Courtillot et al. (2007)..." "instead of global, annual means they are seasonal estimates from land regions north of 20°N. With access to the correct data files readers can form their own opinion on the analysis of and conclusions by Courtillot et al. (2007)." Il aura donc fallu une année (voire plus, depuis Le Mouël et al. 2005 EPSL) et de nombreux courriers et publications, pour que l'on sache enfin quelles sont les températures représentées par Courtillot et al. (2007) et Le Mouël et al. (2005). La réalité est que la courbe de température utilisée par Courtillot & Le Mouël provient d'un calcul de moyenne régionale et saisonnière (Briffa et al. JGR 2001) fondé sur les séries de températures de Jones et al. (1999 Rev. Geophys.). Le fichier cité par Courtillot et al. (2007) n'est donc pas un de ceux distribués par M. Philip D. Jones (University of East Anglia & Hadley Center), ni même tiré directement de l'article de Jones et al. (1999). La citation correcte aurait dû être l'article de Briffa et al. (2001) dont Jones est coauteur. Ceci étant dit, le problème CRUCIAL est qu'il ne s'agit pas de moyenne annuelle mondiale (Tglobe) comme l'ont écrit Courtillot et al. (2007) et Le Mouël et al. (2005), mais en fait de données régionales ET saisonnières (latitudes >20°N ET seulement sur les continents ET seulement pendant la saison chaude d'Avril à Septembre). Les courbes de la température moyenne annuelle mondiale (de MM. Phil Jones d'UEA ou de Jim Hansen de la NASA) ne présentent pas de corrélation marquée avec l'éclairement solaire et les indices géomagnétiques, en particulier au niveau des années 70 (voir la Figure 1 de notre Commentaire publié par EPSL qui représente la VERITABLE courbe de température globale distribuée par M. Phil Jones). Pour ce qui concerne les données d'irradiance solaire totale, les lecteurs d'EPSL sont maintenant pleinement informés du fait que les données utilisées par Courtillot et al. (2007) et Le Mouël et al. (2005) NE sont PAS des données d'irradiance totale (Solanki 2002), mais seulement de la petite composante ultraviolette (Tobiska 2001). Dans leur Réponse publiée par EPSL, M. Courtillot et ses collègues accompagnent la nouvelle citation d'une note très surprenante (page 2, colonne 1): "(Tobiska, 2001; note that in Le Mouël et al., (2005), this data set was erroneously attributed to Solanki, 2002, although resulting changes are negligible)". Dans leurs deux articles Le Mouël et al. (2005) et Courtillot et al. (2007) auraient donc fait la même erreur de citation (Solanki 2002 au lieu de Tobiska 2001). Le problème est que justement les changements qui en résultent NE sont PAS du tout négligeables. Si Courtillot et al. (2007) et Le Mouël et al. (2005) avaient effectivement utilisé Solanki (2002), ils auraient inévitablement représenté la courbe d'irradiance S(t) sur tout le 20e siècle car leur figure est focalisée sur tout ce siècle et que l'analyse de Solanki (2002) porte précisément sur TOUT le 20e siècle. Pour que l'utilisation de la courbe de Solanki n'entraîne que des changements négligeables, comme ils l'écrivent, il faudrait que ces auteurs tronquent délibérément la courbe de Solanki pour n'en montrer que la moitié (les derniers 50 ans). C'est une accusation grave que je ne fais bien évidemment pas. Par conséquent, l'utilisation de la courbe de Solanki (2002) devant être faite pour tout le 20e siècle, ceci entraîne des changements importants comme les lecteurs de notre Commentaire peuvent le constater (voir la Figure 1 qui représente la VERITABLE courbe d'irradiance solaire totale distribuée par M. S. Solanki pour TOUT le 20e siècle). En particulier, il apparaît clairement que les deux courbes géomagnétiques ESK et SIT proposées par Courtillot et al. (2007) et Le Mouël et al. (2005) sont en DESACCORD FLAGRANT vers les années 70 avec les VERITABLES courbes de la température moyenne annuelle mondiale et de l'irradiance solaire totale (dans notre Commentaire, nous soulignons au passage que l'index géomagnétique AA est en bien meilleur accord, fait connu et publié depuis dix ans, e.g. Cliver et al. 1998 GRL). Monsieur Courtillot n'apporte aucune réponse à ces nombreux problèmes. Par ailleurs, il est navrant de constater que dans ses conférences publiques récentes (voir celle donnée lors du 125e anniversaire de l'ESPCI avec fichier powerpoint disponible sur le site web [9] ), M. Courtillot continue encore de montrer le même diagramme erroné, avec une courbe de température "Tglobe" qui n'est pas une courbe de moyenne annuelle mondiale de la température et une courbe "S(t)" qui n'est pas une courbe d'irradiance solaire totale. De plus, M. Courtillot montre encore cette courbe sur 50 ans seulement, alors même qu'il a pleinement connaissance de travaux qui donnent l'irradiance sur le tout le 20e siècle (Solanki 2002, article qu'il a lui-même cité depuis 2005). Je vous prie de croire, Chers Collègues, à l'assurance de mes sentiments respectueux et dévoués. Edouard Bard ---------------------------------------------- Edouard BARD Professeur au Collège de France Chaire de l'évolution du climat et de l'océan Directeur adjoint du CEREGE, UMR-6635 Le Trocadéro, Europole de l'Arbois BP80 13545 Aix-en-Provence cdx 4 Tel 04 42 50 74 18, 04 42 50 74 20 (secr.) Fax 04 42 50 74 21, email [10]bard@cerege.fr [11] ---------------------------------------------- ************************************************** De : Vincent Courtillot [[12]courtil@ipgp.jussieu.fr] Envoyé : vendredi 11 janvier 2008 12:13 À : MALAUSSENA Béatrice Cc : [13]lemouel@ipgp.jussieu.fr; [14]fluteau@ipgp.jussieu.fr; [15]gallet@ipgp.jussieu.fr; [16]zerbib@ipgp.jussieu.fr; [17]dyon@ipgp.jussieu.fr; [18]catherine.brechignac@lac.u-psud.fr; [19]catherine.brechignac@cnrs-dir.fr; [20]J.Hoffmann@ibmc.u-strasbg.fr; [21]jules.hoffmann@academie-sciences.fr; COURTOIS Gérard; [22]laurentjoffrin@yahoo.fr; [23]smarchand@lefigaro.fr; [24]pgillet@geologie.ens-lyon.fr; [25]philippe.gillet@recherche.gouv.fr Objet : Droit de réponse Importance : Haute Madame, étant donné le contenu du message que j'ai reçu de vous hier, je préfère continuer notre échange en en gardant des traces écrites et en le communicant à des tiers en tant que de besoin, en cas de suites juridiques. Un résumé sans doute un peu simplifié mais me semble t'il non faux de notre dernière conversation et de votre message sur ma boite vocale est le suivant. "Votre journaliste ne m'a pas calomnié; il a simplement retranscrit des accusations formulées dans une publication scientifique. En revanche, ma réponse vous poserait des problèmes juridiques et vous auriez des amendements à m'y faire apporter." Je vous demande tout simplement de me renvoyer mon texte avec les modifications qui vous paraissent nécessaires en rouge, naturellement maintenues à leur minimum, puisqu'il s'agit d'une lettre que j'écris et dont j'endosse la responsabilité, avec toute la force que me donne l'évident droit de réponse (pas un lecteur que j'ai rencontré ne l'a nié, quelque soir par ailleurs la réalité du fond) que vous me devez et que Gérard Courtois a reconnu a plusieurs reprises depuis le 21 décembre dernier (tout cela traîne de façon étonnante...). En ce qui concerne vos échanges avec M. Foucart tels que vous me les rapportez dans le message vocal (que j'ai conservé), juste deux commentaires: 1) vous me dites que le fond du débat entre nous deux est scientifique. M. Foucart est un journaliste pas un scientifique (ce sont deux métiers différents, a priori également estimables). Seuls les propos qu'il peut valablement citer avec leurs sources provenant de scientifiques qui en portent alors la responsabilité sont des débats scientifiques. 2) Vous me dites que M. Foucart a tout fait pour me joindre. Il est exact (je l'ai vérifié) qu'il a téléphoné à M. Dyon à l'IPGP, une demi-heure après que je sois rentré chez moi victime d'une grippe qui m'a tenu au lit trois jours avec 38°5. Une fois guéri, je suis passé à la garde de mes enfants et petits enfants qui étaient balayés par le virus. Rien de grave et nombreux sont ceux qui y sont passés à Noël. Donc j'étais réellement souffrant (et pas entre guillements) ce soir là. Mais je n'ai fait barrage à aucune demande qui m'aurait été faite: mon numéro de téléphone est public, dans les pages planches du bottin, pas sur liste rouge, il était facile de m'appeler chez moi. Je n'ai reçu aucun coup de téléphone de M. Foucart, ni d'ailleurs d'aucun des autres journalistes. Et faire son travail en l'occurence, alors que rien ne justifiait l'urgence de la publication de ce sujet, c'était attendre un ou deux jours et faire l'effort de me téléphoner et d'avoir mon témoignage. L'effort fait s'est limité à ce coup de fil à l'IPGP... J'ai eu la possibilité de démontrer hier pendant deux heures devant un auditoire scientifique de plus de 150 personnes que non seulement les accusations portées contre nous, notamment par votre journaliste, étaient purement et simplement sans fondement, mais que de plus les critiques scientifiques formulées par Edouard Bard et Gilles Delaygue étaient pour l'essentiel fausses ou fondées sur des témoignages faux que leur avaient fourni certains de leurs collègues. Nos conclusions scientifiques restent donc dans leur totalité. mais ceci est la partie scientifique et ce qui m'intéresse en ce qui vous concerne c'est de faire savoir à vos lecteurs que les allégations de M. Foucart dans l'article incriminé étaient fausses, et j'ai le droit de le faire et rapidement et sans censure! Dans ce séminaire hier, étaient présentes de très nombreuses personnes qui pourront porter témoignage. C'est le cas de l'ancienne directrice de la recherche, Mme Giacobino, de la présidente du CNRS Madame Catherine Bréchignac qui m'a publiquement assuré de son soutien et m'a assuré qu'elle était totalement convaincue par ma démonstration (sa compétence scientifique ne devrait pas être trop inférieure à celle de M. Foucart). Etaient également présents un journaliste de l'AFP et un journaliste de Science et Avenir. Cette conférence, comme toutes celles de l'IPGP, sera bientot disponible sur cd et intranet. Mardi prochain, je suis invité par le président de l'académie des sciences à exposer pendant 20mn l'ensemble de nos arguments. Je pense que le résultat sera le même qu'hier à l'IPGP. A cette occasion, puisqu'aucune n'est encore sortie, je remettrai à l'ensemble des académiciens une copie des trois lettres de droit de réponse envoyées aux journaux, dont le vôtre. J'aurais préféré qu'elles soient publiées avant cette date (je note que ni Libération ni le Figaro ne m'ont à ce jour donné la moindre indication sur la publication de mes droits de réponse; le Monde aura pour l'instant été le plus réactif. Je mets en copie les trois personnes à qui j'ai originellement envoyé mon droit de réponse dans ces trois journaux). J'attends donc la version amendée que vous souhaitez me voir accepter. Sincèrement, VC PS J'ai eu copie, comme M. Foucart l'évoquait, d'une réponse qu'il a fournie à un de mes amis qui lui avait écrit; je la reproduis ci dessous. Je ne souhaite y relever qu'une seule phrase: "Le blog RealClimate cité dans l'article n'est que la façade d'une polémique qui se joue dans une revue savante, EPSL en l'occurrence. " Cette présentation est inexacte. L'échange dans EPSL est un échange scientifique, sans polémique et surtout sans diffamation. Il est cependant désormais établi que, contrairement aux règles déontologiques, la note de M. Bard a été envoyée APRES acceptation de son commentaire critique. Le rédacteur de la revue vient de nous envoyer copie de l'éditorial qu'il va faire publier en en-tête de nos deux articles dès la publication papier (qui fait autorité et doit avoir lieu très prochainement). Je vous joins également copie de cet éditorial. La ligne jaune est celle qui sépare le débat scientifique de la diffamation. La diffamation n'apparait pas dans EPSL mais dans le blog Real Climate et elle est reprise activement, sous leur signature et non pas seulement en citation entre guillements) par les journalistes. Là est la faute juridiquement répréhensible qu'ils ont commise. Là est la base de mon droit de réponse. La journaliste neutre et semblable au lecteur de base du Monde que vous m'avez dit être doit facilement s'en convaincre si elle est impartiale. ************************************************** Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:44:17 -0500 From: Rob van der Hilst [26] Organization: MIT-EAPS To: Edouard BARD [27] Subject: Re: ESPL comment & reply Dear Edouard, a very quick response - I cannot do anything until I hear from Elsevier's production office that changes can or cannot be made. But I want to avoid misunderstandings between us. I do not ACCUSE you of adding material and hide it from me - indeed, you did the right thing in asking my approval. However, if you now go on line and check your "comment" you will see that it does have the 'note added in proof'. So by returning the proofs with the addition it did make it to the public domain REGARDLESS of me approving it or not. The EPSL production staff should have picked up on this. So I am not pointing fingers here - I just have to deal with an unfortunate situation in which a significant addition to an already accepted text may make it into the literature even if the other party has no chance to repond or clarify the issue. OK? Cheers, Rob ************************************************** Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:27:37 +0100 To: Rob van der Hilst [28] From: Edouard BARD [29] Subject: ESPL comment & reply Dear Rob, >In principle, after approval of a 'comment' the other party is given the opportunity to respond, and approval of the 'reply' closes the process. To avoid going-back-and-forth, in my view the material should not appear on line until after approval of the corrected proofs. I agree. >In this case you added material to the 'comment' after seeing the 'reply', and without my consent. I disagree with your accusation. I did NOT try to add anything and hide it from you. Indeed, I immediately sent an email to you in order to propose our 'note added in proof'. I did this because I knew very well that such a note could not be published without your consent (during 4 years I also served EPSL). Indeed, the Elsevier message accompanying the uncorrected proofs is very clear on this issue "Significant changes to the article as accepted for publication will only be considered at this stage with permission from the Editor." This was exactly the purpose of my email to you. >In my view the sole purpose of your addition is - or, at least, should be - > to help clarify an important issue for the readers. This is precisely my goal. >(NB I am sure you realize that your 'note added in proof' could be perceived by readers as an accusation that Courtillot et al are not honest about the source of the data, in particulare related to the Tglobe file, and that would be quite a serious matter.) I am open for revision of the note if you think it could be misinterpreted. Whatever the reason for the discrepancy, it is important that the reader can identify exactly the source of these important data (published paper or valid URL). This is clearly a problem with many source of data cited by Courtillot et al (and Le Mouel et al.). For example the (flawed) TSI SOLAR2000 curve now cited in the Reply by Courtillot et al. should be accompanied by its URL and/or its reference (Tobiska 2001). It is even worse for the Tglobe curve which source is still completely unclear: it does not correspond to the cited reference and the code file cited in the Reply is not available. As previously stated, it is even possible to see that it does not correspond to the cited Tglobe curve just by looking at their shapes (see Fig. 1 of our Comment that provides the two very similar Tglobe curves developed at UEA by the group of Phil Jones and at NASA by the group of Jim Hansen). If you compare these two Tglobe curves with the one represented on Fig. 3 of Courtillot et al. (2007), you will immediately see that there are important differences in the shape of the maximum in the 40s, the pause (or minimum) in the 60-70s and the phase lag in the 30s. Comparison with the Tglobe curve is obviously central to all climate-related discussions in these papers. Best regards, Edouard ************************************************** Editorial Note The paper entitled "Are there connections between the Earth's magnetic field and climate?" published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters (Courtillot et al., 2007) triggered a "comment" (Bard and Delaygue, 2008) and a "reply" (Courtillot et al, 2008). These publications, and EPSL's handling of the "comment" and "reply" (hereinafter C08), have received significant attention in electronic and printed news media. In a "comment-reply" exchange, standard editorial policy gives the responder the last word and requires that the "comment" is not changed once accepted by the Editor and replied to by the authors whose work is being criticized. In this case, Bard and Delaygue noticed inconsistencies in the citation of data sources in C08 and Courtillot et al. (2007) after the (accepted) "comment" and "reply" had appeared online (but before they received galley proofs). They pointed this out in a "Note added in Proof" to their "comment". Being against EPSL's policy this modification was disapproved (and removed). However, properly reporting data is an essential aspect of scientific communication in that it enables independent evaluations of the analysis presented by authors. Therefore, Courtillot et al. were asked to clarify (in C08) the source of the data used. For full disclosure, the note by Bard and Delaygue is reproduced here: "In their Response to our Comment, Courtillot et al. state that for the total irradiance curve S(t) they had used the SOLAR2000 model product by Tobiska (2001) instead of the century-long record by Solanki (2002) cited in their original paper (Courtillot et al. 2007). However, the SOLAR2000 model is restricted to the UV component and their total solar irradiance is severely flawed as pointed out by Lean (2002). For the global temperature Tglobe curve cited from Jones et al. (1999) in Courtillot et al. (2007), these authors now state in their response that they had used the following data file: monthly_land_and_ocean_90S_90N_df_1901-2001mean_dat.txt. We were unable to find this file even by contacting its putative author who specifically stated to us that it is not one of his files (Dr. Philip D. Jones, written communication dated Oct. 23, 2007)." In response, Courtillot et al. (2007) provided two modifications (in italics) in C08: "The solar irradiance daily time series we used is that from the SOLAR2000 research grade model upgraded to v1.23A (file Five_cycle_v1_23a.txt dated 23 April 2003) which covers the time period from 14 February 1947 to 31 May 2002 (Tobiska, 2001; note that in Le Mouël et al, 2005, this data set was erroneously attributed to Solanki, 2002, although resulting changes are negligible)." and "The temperature series we actually used is obtained from Briffa et al. (2001) - specifically, column 7 of [30]ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/treering/reconstructions/n_hem_temp/briffa200 1jgr3.txt , that is, years 1871 to 1997 - which is, originally, from Jones et al (1999) as quoted. All we did was to average it over an 11yr sliding window." The ftp link shows that the temperatures used are indeed from Jones and co-workers, but instead of global, annual means they are seasonal estimates from land regions north of 20°N. With access to the correct data files readers can form their own opinion on the analysis of and conclusions by Courtillot et al. (2007). Robert D. van der Hilst Editor for Earth and Planetary Science Letters Bard, E., and Delaygue, G., 'Comment on "Are there connections between the Earth's magnetic field and climate?" by V. Courtillot, Y. Gallet, J.-L. Le Mouël, F. Fluteau, A. Genevey', Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 265, 302-307, 2008 Courtillot, V., Gallet, Y., Le Mouël, J.-L., Fluteau, F., and Genevey, A., Are there connections between the Earth's magnetic field and climate?, Earth Planet. Sci. Lett., 253, 328-339, 2007 Courtillot, V., Gallet, Y., Le Mouël, J.-L., Fluteau, F., and Genevey, A., 'Response to comment on "Are there connections between Earth's magnetic field and climate" by Bard, E., and Delaygue, G., Earth Planet. Sci. 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I think we should do a release. From: Dillon, Lauren Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 10:53 AM To: RR2 Subject: FLAG: Trump's Muslim Ban Thoughts on responding? There are some clips in here that we could tweet. Do a release? From: Roberts, Kelly Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:43 AM To: Dillon, Lauren Subject: Trump's Muslim Ban Just days ago he was talking about how he would stand by it TRUMP SAID WE HAD "NO CHOICE" BUT TO BAN MUSLIMS FROM ENTERING THE COUNTRY Donald Trump Called For A "Total And Complete Shutdown Of Muslims Entering The United States," Citing Polls That Showed "Great Hatred Towards Americans By Large Segments Of The Muslim Populations." "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim populations. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing '25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad' and 51% of those polled, 'agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah.' Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women." [Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration, Press Release, Donald J. Trump For President, 12/7/15 ] * Donald Trump Called For The United States To Bar All Muslims From Entering The U.S. Until The Nation's Leaders Could "Figure Out What's Going On." "Donald J. Trump called on Monday for the United States to bar all Muslims from entering the country until the nation's leaders can "figure out what is going on" after the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., an extraordinary escalation of rhetoric aimed at voters' fears about members of the Islamic faith. A prohibition of Muslims - an unprecedented proposal by a leading American presidential candidate, and an idea more typically associated with hate groups - reflects a progression of mistrust that is rooted in ideology as much as politics." [New York Times, 12/7/15 ] Donald Trump Said He Did Not Care If His Call To Ban All Muslims From Entering The United States Was Politically Incorrect; "We Have No Choice. We Have. No. Choice." "The billionaire developer and reality television star released a statement Monday calling for 'a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.' Later Monday, Trump, 69, read the statement out loud at a rally in Charleston, S.C., where an enthusiastic crowd greeted him with cheers and chants of 'Trump! Trump!' and 'U.S.A.! U.S.A.!' 'We have no choice. We have. No. Choice,' Trump said, with a shake of his head. His statement may be politically incorrect, he said, 'but I don't care!'" [Washington Post, 12/8/15 ] TRUMP REPEATEDLY SAID HE WOULD STAND BY HIS PROPOSED MUSLIM BAN, EVEN IF IT HURT HIM IN THE GENERAL Trump Said He Would Continue To Support His Proposed Muslim Ban, Even If It Hurt Him In The General Election. QUESTION: "Do you still believe Muslims should be banned from entering the country until we figure out what's going on, as you've said." TRUMP: "We have to be very vigilant. We have find out what's going on. We have major, major problems. Nobody wants to talk about it. We have a president that won't mention radical Islamic terrorism. He won't mention it, even though it's obvious terrible things are happening. We have to be extremely careful, vigilant. Yes, we have to find out what the hell is going on." QUESTION: "So that proposal stands for the general election, assuming you make it that far, you'll raise that as another issue?" TRUMP: "I don't know if it hurts me or not. I don't know if it hurts me. I don't care it hurts me. I'm doing the right thing when I do this. Whether it's Muslim or anything else, I have to do the right thing. That's the way I've been guided." [Morning Joe, MSNBC, 5/4/16] * Trump Claimed Muslim Migrants "Are Destroying Europe" And Said He Was "Not Going To Let That Happen To The United States." TRUMP: "I don't know if it hurts me or not. I don't know if it hurts me. I don't care it hurts me. I'm doing the right thing when I do this. Whether it's Muslim or anything else, I have to do the right thing. That's the way I've been guided. When Joe said it's a little bit surprising, and I did see last night this is the first time in the history of our country where this has happened, where really a civilian in the truest sense got the nomination of a major party. I've been guided by common sense, by what's right. You see what's happening. And we have to be careful. We're allowing thousands of people to come into our country, thousands and thousands of people being placed all over the country that frankly nobody knows who they are. They don't have documentation in many cases-- In most cases. We don't know what we're doing. Let's see what happens. This could be a very serious problem for the future. If you look at what's happening all over Europe, with the migration. Look at what's happening. It's terrible what they have done to some of these countries, they are going to destroy -- they are destroying Europe. I'm not going to let that happen to the United States." [Morning Joe, MSNBC, 5/4/16] Trump On Whether He Stood Behind His Proposal To Ban Muslims: "I Do. We Have To Be Vigilant. We Have To Be Strong." LESTER HOLT: "You're-you're speaking to the whole country now. You've said a lot of things we've talked about. There's things that shocked people that outraged people with about a temporary ban on Muslim, immigration to your characterizations of Mexican immigrants. Those things worked for you. They resonated, they worked, they got you to where you are today. But as you try to appeal to the entire country, do you stand by them? Do you stand, for example, by the idea of a-- of a ban against foreign Muslims coming here?" DONALD TRUMP: "I do. We have to be vigilant. We have to be strong. We have to see what's going on. There's a big problem in the world. You look at what's happening with immigration in Europe, you look at Germany. It's crime-riddled right now." [NBC Nightly News, NBC, 5/4/16] TRUMP PLANNED ON HAVING HIS BAN ON MUSLIMS IN PLACE WITHIN HIS FIRST 100 DAYS IN OFFICE Trump Planned To Have His Immigration Ban On Muslims In Place Within His First 100 Days As President. "Donald J. Trump is now the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, but he is also keenly aware that many in his own party - and many Americans, frankly - are scared and anxious about the idea of him in the Oval Office. Even he is not sure how a deeply divided nation would adjust to the first 100 days of a Trump presidency. What he does know, however, is what he wants to do in those early months...And by the end of his first 100 days as the nation's 45th leader, the wall with Mexico would be designed, the immigration ban on Muslims would be in place, the audit of the Federal Reserve would be underway and plans to repeal the Affordable Care Act would be in motion." [New York Times, 5/4/16 ] JUST A FEW DAYS AGO TRUMP REITERATED HIS PLANS FOR A BAN AND TALKED ABOUT THE LONDON MAYOR BEING A POSSIBLE EXCEPTION HEADLINE: "Donald Trump Says Sadiq Khan, New London Mayor, Could Be Exception to His Muslim Ban" [New York Times, 5/9/16 ] HEADLINE: "Trump: 'I Assume' Muslim London Mayor 'Denies That There's Islamic Terrorism'" [Buzzfeed, 5/11/16 ]


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Please send back to Scott with your names.I am not going to breakdown the regions because I TRUST that everyone will be responsible. NY - I am looking at you.Good luck. Jordan KaplanNational Finance DirectorDemocratic National Committee(202) 488-5002 (o) | (312) 339-0224 (c)kaplanj@dnc.org Begin forwarded message:From: "Maggard, Lindsey" Subject: Upcoming White House Event: 4th of JulyDate: June 10, 2015 at 1:54:32 PM EDTTo: "Kaplan, Jordan" , "Alvillar, Raul" , "Greene, Julie" , Tracie Pough Cc: "Dacey, Amy" , "Jenkins, Calynn" , "Comer, Scott" , "White, Maria" , Kate Houghton Hi everyone- On July 4th, the President and First Lady will host their Fourth of July Celebration on the South Lawn. Please see the allotments below:Finance- 200Political- 150SEC- 35Chair- 15CEO- 15As a reminder, if you need more spots, please work with the other departments listed. WAVES for the tickets will be due to me by COB on Tuesday, June 16th.Thanks!Lindsey


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Tom, I'll look at what you've said over the weekend re CCSP. I don't know the other panel members. I've not heard any more about it since agreeing a week ago. As for FOIA Sarah isn't technically employed by UEA and she will likely be paid by Manchester Metropolitan University. I wouldn't worry about the code. If FOIA does ever get used by anyone, there is also IPR to consider as well. Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them. I'll be passing any requests onto the person at UEA who has been given a post to deal with them. Cheers Phil At 14:35 21/01/2005, Tom Wigley wrote: Phil, Thanks for the quick reply. The leaflet appeared so general, but it was prepared by UEA so they may have simplified things. From their wording, computer code would be covered by the FOIA. My concern was if Sarah is/was still employed by UEA. I guess she could claim that she had only written one tenth of the code and release every tenth line. Sorry I won't see you, but I will not come up to Norwich until Monday. Let me fill you in a bit (confidentially). You probably know the panel members. We were concerned that the chair would be a strong person. It is Jerry Mahlman -- about the best possible choice. Richard Smith is the statistician -- also excellent. Dave Randall, too -- very good. As token skeptic there is Dick Lindzen -- but at least he is a smart guy and he does listen. He may raise his paper with Gianitsis that purports to show low climate sensitivity from volcanoes. I will attach our paper that proves otherwise, in press in JGR. Preparing the report has been a good and bad experience. I think I had the worst task with the Exec. Summ. -- it tied up most of my time for the past 3 months. The good has been the positive interactions between most of the people -- a really excellent bunch. I have been very impressed by Carl Mears and John Lanzante. At meetings, John Christy has been quite good -- and there were good and positive interactions between John and Roy and the RSS gang that helped clarify a lot. Outside the meeting, in the email world, he has been more of a pain. He has made a lot of useful suggestions for the ExSumm -- but he keeps accusing the AOGCMers of faking their models (not quite as bluntly as this). In the emails there are some very useful exchanges from Jerry Meehl, Ramaswamy and Ben detailing the AOGCM development process. We will be writing a BAMS article on this in the summer -- much of what happens in model development is unknown to the rest of the community. The 'faking' idea prompted me to write a tongue in cheek note -- also attached. As far as I know, John will not raise this particular issue in his dissentin views. To accommodate dissenting views, the report will have a "dissenters' appendix", with responses. You will get this at some stage -- the deadline for dissenters to produce is Jan 31, and we will not finish our rebuttals until mid Feb. The dissenters are John C, and (far worse) Roger Pielke Sr. All of the rest of us disagree with these persons' dissenting views. Roger has been extremely difficult -- but the details are too complex to put in an email. On the other hand he has made a number of useful contributions to the ExSumm and other chapters. Suffice to say that he has some strange ideas (often to do with the effects of landuse change) that are interesting but still, in my view, speculative -- but testable. We have yet to see the dissents -- and it would not be ethical for me to say any more than I have already. Best wishes, Tom. Phil Jones wrote: Tom, I hope the VTT panel doesn't prove a meeting too many at this time. It is currently scheduled for Feb 23-25 and I only get back from an 8 day workshop in Pune on Feb 20. The IPCC Chapter with Kevin is now with WGI in Boulder. We did put you down as one of our potential reviewers. Don't know whether you'll have time or whether WGI will select you - regional balance etc. Next week I'll be in Reading and Exeter, so won'be be in CRU. Have to be at an RMS Awards meeting then something on Reanalysis, then I have to collect some data from the archives in Exeter for a small project we have. It is easier for me to get this than explain to someone how to do it. So I'll miss you - not back till Thursday night. On the FOI Act there is a little leaflet we have all been sent. It doesn't really clarify what we might have to do re programs or data. Like all things in Britain we will only find out when the first person or organization asks. I wouldn't tell anybody about the FOI Act in Britain. I don't think UEA really knows what's involved. As you're no longer an employee I would use this argument if anything comes along. I think it is supposed to mainly apply to issues of personal information - references for jobs etc. Sorry I'll miss you next week. If you're in on Sunday perhaps you could come round to our new house in Wicklewood. Phone number is still the same as 01953 605643. Keith and Sarah know where it is even if they did get lost the first time they came. Cheers Phil At 02:59 21/01/2005, you wrote: Phil, Tom Karl told me you will be on the VTT review panel. This is very good news. Unfortunately I will not be at the meeting on the 23rd -- I will be in midair half way across the Pacific to spend a couple of weeks in Adelaide. I got a brochure on the FOI Act from UEA. Does this mean that, if someone asks for a computer program we have to give it out?? Can you check this for me (and Sarah). I will be at CRU next Mon, Tue, Wed in case Sarah did not tell you. Thanks, Tom. 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HI Keith, No problem, I know how hectic the past couple months have been for you, so no apologizes necessary whatsoever! Call me old fashioned, but I still tend to prefer the "blind" reviewer convention, so I'd prefer to remain anonymous unless you think that revealing my identity would be help in any particular way. I agree w/ your take on this--a journal like GRL is probably more appropriate, or even "Climatic Change" because a number of similar papers have been published there in the past (by folks like Nychka, Bloomfield, and others). I'm not sure if Steve Schneider is sick and tired of those papers though... Please don't hesitate to let me know if I can be of any additional help w/ this. Looking forward to seeing you one of these days, mike At 02:36 PM 5/2/2003 +0100, you wrote: Mike in hassling another reviewer , I realised that I did not thank you properly for the review you did of the manuscript by Gil-Alana (fractionally integrated techniques used to show increased persistence in global temperature record in 20th century). So this is by way of thanks and to ask whether you wish me to reveal your name to the reviewer (considering you make some very helpful suggestions for further analysis)? I would otherwise assume no. As it happens I can not get a response from the other reviewer - but rather than prolong the wait for the submitter , I am tempted (on the basis of my reading also) to just send your comments and reject the manuscript as it is - I suppose they could resubmit a major rework following your suggestions - but I tend to the opinion that it would be better suited to another journal anyway - GRL comes to mind. What do you think Cheers Keith -- Professor Keith Briffa, Climatic Research Unit University of East Anglia Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. Phone: +44-1603-593909 Fax: +44-1603-507784 [1] ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [2] References 1.  2.


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Dear all, here is the data from the Climber-3alpha simulations. I know they are too late, but perhaps there is still a way to include them. The structure of the files is the same as Eva's. The file names correspond to the ones you gave in the simulation protocol. Cheers, Anders Fortunat Joos wrote: > Dear all, > > Please find attached an update of the simulation protocol and input > data description. > > Kasper Plattner pointed out that I forgot the obvious. We need of > course a control run to correct for potential model drift. The readme > file has been modified accordingly adding a brief description on how > the control should be done. > > I am looking forward to any additional comments. Hope everything is > clear. > > Kasper is currently working to perform the simulation with the Bern2.5CC. > > Regards, Fortunat > > Fortunat Joos wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I have now compiled the input data set and written a protocol how to >> perform the runs. It seems to me that it would make sense if we >> perform the simulations first with the Bern Model and with the >> Climber 2 model. We can then still decide if we need Climber 3. >> >> Please let me know if there are any questions. >> >> I could also provide files where the radiative forcing of solar, >> volcanoes and non-CO2-anthropogenic has been added together. >> >> With best wishes, >> >> Fortunat >> >> >> >> Jonathan Overpeck wrote: >> >>> Dear Eva and Fortunat - thanks for working on getting things moving. >>> It seems that the detailed forcing recommendations laid out below by >>> Fortunat build nicely on what Eva first suggested, and that going >>> with the forcing series suggested below by Foortunat (and the 6 >>> simulations) is going to be just right for the IPCC AR4 Chap 6 >>> needs. Does everyone agree? >>> >>> Thanks Fortunat for preparing/sharing the standard forcing series. >>> >>> Best, peck >>> >>>> Dear Eva, >>>> >>>> We are working on the forcing series and they should be ready by >>>> the end of the week. Stefan assured us that you can run this >>>> within a few hours. >>>> >>>> What we are preparing are the following series of radiative forcing >>>> in W/m2: >>>> >>>> a) RF from atmospheric constituents (well-mixed GHGs (CO2, CH4, >>>> N2O, many Halocarbons) tropo and strato Ozone, various >>>> anthropogenic aerosols) as used in the Bern CC TAR version and the >>>> TAR (see Joos et al., GBC, 2001; pdf is on my homepage and TAR >>>> appendix). >>>> b) volcanic from Crowley, Sci, 2000 >>>> c) solar based on Lean and Bard et al. >>>> >>>> For the solar we will prepare 3 combinations: >>>> >>>> c1) original serie from Lean (2005) provided to you already >>>> c2) Bard et al., Be-10 record linearly scaled to match the Maunder >>>> Minimum Average of Lean-AR4 >>>> c3) Bard et al., Be-10 scaled to a MM reduction of 0.25 permil, >>>> i.e. the low case in the Bard et, Tellus, publication corresponding >>>> to the Lean et al, 1995 scaling >>>> >>>> For the RF by atmospheric components two cases are foreseen: >>>> a1) standard case with reconstructed evolution over past 1150 years >>>> a2) RF kept at 1765 value after 1765, i.e. a simulation with >>>> natural forcings only. >>>> >>>> This will yield in total 6 simulations 3 over the full length from >>>> 850 AD to 2000 and 3 brach-off simulatons from 1765 with natural >>>> only forcing. >>>> >>>> An important point in IPCC is that things are published, consistent >>>> among chapters, and it helps if approaches are tracable to earlier >>>> accepted and approved IPCC work. The arguments for these series are >>>> as follows: >>>> >>>> a) Considering as many components relevant for RF as possible (more >>>> than just CO2). The series are fully compatible with TAR and that >>>> the setup is tracable to the TAR for the industrial era increase. >>>> The same series will be used in the projection chapter 10 for the >>>> SRES calculation >>>> >>>> b) volcanic: a widely cited record >>>> >>>> c) solar: c1) and c3) are published series; c2 follows the same >>>> approach and spirit as used to derive c3, i.e. scaling the Be-10 >>>> serie linearly with a given Maunder Minimum reduction. The impact >>>> of the 11-yr solar cycle can be looked at in the original Lean-AR4 >>>> serie. >>>> >>>> I hope this help. >>>> >>>> With kind regards, >>>> >>>> Fortunat >>>> >>>> Eva Bauer wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Jonathan, dear Fortunat: >>>>> >>>>> Happy New Year! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stefan, Anders and me just have discussed how to set up our >>>>> CLIMBER2/3alpha runs, to produce something useful for the IPCC WGI >>>>> chapter 6. This chapter appears to touch the impact on the NH >>>>> temperature related to low and high solar forcing. >>>>> >>>>> For a reasonable comparison, we think two 1000-year simulations >>>>> differing only by a low and a high solar forcing, conducted with both >>>>> CLIMBER models, would be ideal. To do so, we would have to extend the >>>>> solar forcing time series based on Lean (GRL, 2000) and on Wang et >>>>> al. (2005) distributed in previous e-mails back to the year 1000. >>>>> This >>>>> would require some splicing as was done, for instance, by Crowley. >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking of some scaling applied to a series of Crowley (say the >>>>> data called Be10/Lean splice in Science, 2000) such that the >>>>> amplitude >>>>> of the solar variability from the 11-year cycle is conserved after >>>>> ~1720. I have to check but it appears that the variation in the TSI >>>>> due to the 11-year cycle contained in the Crowley series agrees >>>>> perfectly with the 11yr-cycle data in the file based on Lean (2000). >>>>> Before starting such an exercise I like to ask you what you think >>>>> about. We would be happy to receive your response quite soon to be >>>>> able to finish the calculations with our slow model in time for the >>>>> IPCC report. >>>>> >>>>> Could you please also comment on the other forcings we should >>>>> include, >>>>> namely the volcanic forcing and the CO2 forcing. For the present >>>>> study >>>>> we suggest to use the forcing as in Bauer et al (2000) but omitting >>>>> the land-use. This means, using the volcanic forcing from Crowley, >>>>> 2000 and the CO2 forcing based on Etheridge et al 1996 and Keeling >>>>> and >>>>> Whorf, 1996. (If you wish we can distribute these data series.) >>>>> >>>>> Also, thinking beyond the IPCC study, the model results may become >>>>> interesting enough to be discussed in a 3-model comparison study!? >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward to your reply. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> >>>>> Eva >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Climate and Environmental Physics, >>>> Physics Institute, University of Bern >>>> Sidlerstr. 5, CH-3012 Bern >>>> Phone: ++41(0)31 631 44 61 Fax: ++41(0)31 631 87 42 >>>> Internet: ~joos/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Last Millennium Simulations for IPCC AR4 WG1 Chap 6 >--------------------------------------------------- > >F. Joos, >joos@climate.unibe.ch >18 Januar 2006 > >OVERVIEW >-------- > >A total of 7 simulations is planned. > >A control simulation without any forcing > >Two millennium-long simulations with solar forcing following Bard et al. with a Maunder Minimum reduction of 0.08 and 0.25 percent in total irradiance and volcanic and anthropogenic forcing included > >A simulation from 1610 to 1998 with solar forcing from Wang et al, 2005 and >volcanic and anthropogenic forcing included > >Three simulations from 1765 to 1998 with only solar and volcanic forcing included, but no anthropogenic forcings. These are branches from the above three simulation. > >A range of input data files have been prepeared. Each contains a header with additional descriptions of the data. > >Solar irradiance has been taken from Bard et al., Tellus, 1999 and from Wang, Lean, Shirley, JAp, 2005. > >It is estimated that the Maunder Minimum irradiance is reduce by 0.08 percent >relative to today and that the present irradiance is 1366 W/m2 from the Wang et al. data. > >A case with a Maunder Minimum reduction of 0.08 percent is calculated from the Bard et al. data by scaling the original Bard series appropriately. >The original Bard series are offset by 1.3 W/m2 in irradiance to bring them to >a present irradiance of 1366 W/m2. For this excercise we will utilize a Maunder >Minimum reduction in irradiance relative to today of 0.08 percent and of 0.25 percent (other cases with high MM reduction are included in the files). > >Irradiance has been converted to radiative forcing: RF= (IRR-1366)/4*0.7 > >Volcanic forcing is from Crowley Science, 2000, with albedo factored in (e.g. as for solar forcing). To avoid a cold start of the model, the serie is extended to 850 AD by mirroring the Crowley data from 1001 to 1150 to the period 850 to 1000. > >NonCO2 forcing is following TAR (updated for an error in tropo O3 in the TAR). > >CO2 is a spline through the Etheridge, JGR, 97 data and the Siegenthaler, TEllus, 2005 data. > > >INPUT FILES DESCRIPTION: >----------------------- > >It is recommended to linearly interpolate between data points. > >A1: Solar irradiance and radiative forcing following Bard from 850 to 2000 > >(Tag description) >solBard08 2. col: Maunder Minimum reduction of 0.08 percent >solBard25 3. col: Maunder Minimu reduction of 0.25 percent > >Note: data from Bard have been linearlz interplated on an annual time step > > files: > bard00tel_solar_RF_IPCC_Chap6_Joos_11jan06.out > bard00tel_solar_irradiance_offset-13_IPCC_Chap6_Joos_11jan06.out > > >A2: Solar irradiance and radiative forcing following Wang, Lean, Shirley, 2005 > from 1610 to 2004 > > annual resolution > >Tag: WLS-05 > > files: > wang05jastr_lean_RF_IPCC_chap6_Joos_11jan06.out > wang05jastr_lean_irradiance_IPCC_chap6_Joos_11jan06.out > >A3: CO2 concentration in ppm from 850 to 2000 > > annual resolution > >Tag: CO2 > file: co2_850-2000_splined_IPCC_Chap6_Joos_11jan06.out > >A4: volcanic forcing after Crowley from 1001 to 1998 AD, extended by artificial > data from 850 to 1000 AD by mirroring the forcing from 1000 to 1150 to the period 850 to 1000 > >Tag: volcCrow > > annual resolution > > file: crowley00sci_RFvolcanic_IPCC_Chap6_Joos_11jan05.out > >A5: radiative forcing by non-CO2 agents > > annual resolution > >Tag: nonco2 > > files > rf_nonco2_1yr_1765_2000_individ_IPCC_Chap6_Joos_11jan06.out > rf_nonco2_1yr_850_2000_IPCC_Chap6_Joos_11jan06.out > > > >B) SIMULATIONS >----------------------- > >B1. 2 Long simulations from 850 AD to 1998 > >------- > >Simulation B1.1. tag: bard08_volcCrow_CO2_nonCO2_850-1998 > >Solar forcing from Bard et al. with MM reduction of 0.08 percent, volcanic forcing and forcing from CO2 and other anthropogenic (non-CO2) agents. > >Start of simulation 850 AD >End of simulation: 1998 AD >initial condition: model spinup for year 850 (or similiar) > >Analysis period: 1001 AD to 1998 AD >start-up period: 850 to 1000 with artificial volcanic data > >-------- > >Simulation B1.2 tag: bard25_volcCrow_CO2_nonCO2_850-1998 > >as B1.1 but with solar forcing from Bard et al. reduced by 0.25 percent for the Maunder Minimum. > >Start of simulation 850 AD >End of simulation: 1998 AD >initial condition: model spinup for year 850 (or similiar) > >Analysis period: 1001 AD to 1998 AD >start-up period: 850 to 1000 with artificial volcanic data > >-------- > >Simulation B2: A simulation from 1610 to 1998 restarted from bard08_volcCrow_CO2_nonCO2 > >With solar forcing from Wang et al., 2005, volcanic forci >ng and forcing from CO2 and other anthropogenic (non-CO2) agents. > >B2 tag: WLS-2005_volcCrow_CO2_nonCO2_1610-1998 > >Start of simulation: 1610 AD >End of simulation: 1998 AD >initial condition: restart from simulation B1.1. bard08_volcCrow_CO2_nonCO2 > at year 1610 > >Analysis period: 1610 AD to 1998 AD > > >------- > >B3: 3 Simulations from 1765 to 1998 with natural forcing only > > non-CO2 radiative forcing is kept to zero > (except for volcanoes and solar) > > CO2 is kept at its 1765 value. > >Simulation B3.1: tag bard08_volcCrow_1765_1998 > >Start of simulation: 1765 AD >End of simulation: 1998 AD >initial condition: restart from simulation B1.1. bard08_volcCrow_CO2_nonCO2 > at year 1765 > >Analysis period: 1765 to 1998 AD > >------- > >Simulation B3.2: tag bard25_volcCrow_1765_1998 > >Start of simulation: 1765 AD >End of simulation: 1998 AD >initial condition: restart from simulation B1.2. bard25_volcCrow_CO2_nonCO2 > at year 1765 > >Analysis period: 1765 to 1998 AD > >----- > >Simulation B3.1: tag WLS-2005_volcCrow_1765_1998 > >Start of simulation: 1765 AD >End of simulation: 1998 AD >initial condition: restart from simulation B2. 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On 2/14/08, Derek wrote: > > After much thought, and some reading, I am looking to learn more and be a > part of this movement. > But I'm noticing there are not Hawaii contacts or chapters. > What am I to do about this? > -Derek Baumer > > -- > "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the > song still in them." -- Commander Jeff Schoep "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." National Socialist Movement www.nsm88.org The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. Furthermore, the NSM is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the NSM's views or opinions. Access to this email by anyone other than the intended addressee is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, retention, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this mail in error, please destroy the copy in your possession and notify: commander@newsaxon.org


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"Adam L. Beberg" wrote: > So, who has done RSA implementation before? /me raises hand. > Having a typo-I-cant-spot problem with my CRT... Send me the source. R


Dear all, I just wanted to thank Keith for his comments. They are right on target. There is indeed, as many of us are aware, at least one key player in the modeling community that has made overly dismissive statements about the value of proxy data as late, because of what might be argued as his/her own naive assessment/analysis of these data. This presents the danger of just the sort of backlash that Keith warns of, and makes all the more pressing the need for more of a community-wide strategizing on our part. I think the workshop in Jan that Peck is hosting will go far in this regard, and I personally am really looking forward to it! cheers, mike. _______________________________________________________________________ Michael E. Mann Adjunct Assistant Professor, Department of Geosciences Morrill Science Center University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@snow.geo.umass.edu (normal) memann@titan.oit.umass.edu (attachments) Web:  Phone: (413) 545-9573 FAX: (413) 545-1200


> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:11:47AM -0400, Bill Stoddard wrote: > > people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no > understanding of > > human interactions (else they would try more constructive means > to get their > > message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off > regardless of > > how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and > downright evil > > at worst. > > Are you kidding? It was fucking BRILLIANT. Do you know what > exposure that got > them? They sat perfectly so that the cameras could focus on the mildly > exasperated Rumsfeld and their "UN Inspections not war" banner. What I am specifically referring to is protesters shouting down speakers or making so much noise that it interferes with the speaker. That's wrong, immoral and unethical no matter what the political bent of the speakers and the protesters. Rowdy protests in their own venue (on a college campus or some of the commons areas of DC) is perfectly fine by me. Waving signs to get attention is fine. > That picture > will be dominating the news cycles in China, Iraq, Russia, Germany, and > France, at least. For goodness sakes, you're arguing about it on FoRK. In > politics by sound-bite, those two rude hags kicked ass and took names. > > For the record, I don't think they even got arrested, which is a shame. Well, Owen implied the protesters were arrested. Was he just jacking himself off at the expense of other people? Exactly why is it a shame that they were not arrested? Think about what you are saying and what you are telegraphing about your state of mind here. You WANT people to do bad things (ie, police arresting peaceful protesters) if it can help you further your cause? That attitude just sucks. You have no moral ground to stand on if that is what you believe. > It is part of the game -- make an ass of yourself, get your point on > the nightly > news, spend a couple days in the clink for disorderly. Sure, just don't whine about getting arrested if you make it a point to get in someone's face. One other comment... Most of the people that are protesting against taking out the Iraqi dictator wouldn't give a rats ass if a nuke went off in NYC. They simply wouldn't care so why in the hell should the Americal public listen to them on matters of national security? So enlighten me, exactly why shouldn't Hussein be taken out? And if your answr boils down to "i don't give a shit about what happens to the US", you can kiss my ass :-) Bill


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