english: But I think if engineers that you know, invited to the table or go to the table, I don’t know which it is yet, then we can sit there with them as they come up with the ideas and discuss well, what do we think is actually possible, and then do that whole loop at that stage together, rather than being a very separated out discussion that happens maybe a year or two years apart from each other.
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