The elders would refer to themselves as being among the redeemed whereas the angelic beings clearly are not among the redeemed.
यस विषयमा इन्टरनेटमा धेरै लेखहरु लेखिए तर यो घटनामा कति सत्यता छ भन्ने विषयभने अझै रहस्यमय नै छ ।