english: And it took me two years, but in an out-of-print essay written in 1973 by Dana Raphael, I finally found a helpful way to frame this conversation: matrescence.
non_english: Trebalo mi je dve godine, ali sam u eseju koji više nije u štampi, koji je 1973. godine napisala Dejna Rafael, konačno pronašla koristan način da uokvirim ovaj razgovor: matrescencija.