english: (Laughter) Yeah, people used to say, "Norman's OK, but if you followed what he said, everything would be usable but it would be ugly."
non_english: (Gülüşmeler) Evet, insanlar hep soyle derdi, Norman iyidir, ama onun dediğini yaparsaniz, herşey kullanışlı ama cirkin olur.