english: Okay, well, the issue then is, do we need to be alive to see this kind of spontaneous order, and I've already hinted that the answer is no.
non_english: Evet, peki, simkdi mesele (canli olmamiz mi gerekiyor) plansiz bir duzen gostermek icin canli olmakmi gerekiyor, ve isaret ettigim gibi cevap hayir.