Q.  Had  you  learned  atoout  this  bill,  about  there  being  a  bill  to
increase  youir  salaries,  before  you'  met  Mr.  Paiyn,?  A.  Well,  I  am
not  positive  albout  that;  I  can't  say.
Q.  Well,  di<i  you  talk  abiout  it  with  your  associates  on  the
committee  before  you  met  Mr.  Payn?    A.  No,  sir.
Q.  Not  with  any  of  themi?  A.  Not  with  any  of  them;  my
impression!  is  not;  but  I  am  not  really  positive  albout  that.
Q.  C5an*t  you  muster  up  any  recollection  at  all  about  it?  A.
Well,  counsel,  I  can^t  brilnig  it  toi  mind,  in  reference  to  that;  I
can't.
Q.  I  am  not  asking  you  now  when  you  heard  it  first,  but  can't
you  wabie  up  your  memory  a  little,  and  see  if  you'  can't  remember
what  you  hfeard  about  it  on  the  oiccasi'on  of  that  visit  to  Albany?
A.  No,  I  can't,  counsel.
Q.  You  can't?    A.  No,  sir.
Q.  Can  you  Ml  me  whlat  you  heard  about  it,  at  any  time  what-
ever? A.  If  my  meimoiry  serves  me  right,  our  bill  was  introduced
in  the  Senate  or  laJttaldhJed  tio  the  firemen's  bill  ^nd  that  I  think
I  saw  in  the  papejcs^

Q.  Well,  when  did  you  see  it;  at  the  time  it  was  introduced?
A.  The  morning,  I  thiink,  thiaiti  it  was  published  in  the  papeijs.
Q.  When  the  fact  otf  its  being  introduced  or  attached  was  first
published?    A.  Thlartfs  thie  time.
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Q.  When  the  news  came  in  the  papers?    A.  Yes,  sir.
