That proves our Contention. '

Mr. Kelly— I am a great fellow for persuasion
and conciliation, If we can get anything' that way.
Mr. Oppenheimer— Mr. Kelly, Mr. Merrill has
clinched our argument right there. '
Mr. House— Absolutely.
Mr. OPPenheimer^Mr. Kelly, Mr. Merrill told you
that' if the quota was apportioned among the hand
men ' alone, that would reduce the number of ap-
prentices, and Mr. Merrill will not deny that It
is from the hand men alone that the boy learns
his trade, and therefore it clinches the argument.
Mr. House — So far as hand-set type is concerned.
Mr. Merrill— I won't admit that.
Mr; Kelly— He won't admit that.
Mr. House — Because the operators are working
on the machines, and it is in the' ad room, if you
read the contract.
Mr, Kelly— If, fbr example, I say the Union has
agreed or decreed that there shall be one appren-
tice -tO' every fifteen journeymen in the Union

Mr.- Oppenheimei^-In the office.
Mr. Kelly— No, in the Union.
Mr. ' Oppenheimer — Tou are making a proposi-
tion of your own,

Mr. Kelly— It ta Just simply a tentative proposi-
tion. We will ,say it is a hypothetical case, an(J
then, by mutual consent, between a committee of
Publishers and the committee of the men, that the
quota, now six in, ^an- office, can be increased to
ten, what serious disadvantage would that be?
Tour quota has not been exceeded. I am trying
to show that the Union wants to be fair; that if
an abnormal condition obtains In an office, and
they seek that thing by mutual agreement be-
tween the printers, aiid tlie Publishers, that that
could be done.
