"Well,  what  did  McCabe  tell  you;  tell  what  McCabe  said?"

This  is  at  the  time  or  rather  just  before  the  conversadou  with
Leary,  because  the  suiggestion  was  made  that  McOabe  was  not
present  at  the  conversation  with  Leary,  but  innocently  (?)
brought  them  together;  and  Mr.  Quigg  upon  the  witness  stand
denied  that  McOaibe  could  be  imputed  with  blame  with  regard  to
the  Leary  transaction,  because  he  hadn't  listened  to  the  con-
versation.
"Q.  Tell  what  McCabe  said?  A.  He  told  us  that  Mr.  Leairy
could  have  the  amerdment  passed  anB  could  guarantee  it  to


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be  passed;  as  the  bill  now  mbood  in  Albany,  it  was  in  the  bands
af  Mr.  Payn,  and  he  didm't  thaink  Mr.  Payn  haM.  influence  enouigh
to  have  any  bill  passedL

"  Q.  McCabe  told  you  that?    A.  Yes,  sir;  McOabe  told  us.
"  Q.  Now,  previous  to  that  statement  by  ex-Ghief  McCabe  ,to
you,  had  you  heard  of  Mr.  Payn  in  connecition  with  the  officers'
amendment?    A.  I  had"not,  sir."

After  stating  the  conversation  with  Leary  Oroker  said :

"Q.  Well,  what  did  yon.  or  Shaw  say  in  reply  to  that?  A.
Well,  we  let  him  alone;  we  left  him  alone  and  bid  him  good-day,
and  Chief  McCabe  did  the  same,  and  we  walked  around  to  Six-
teenth street  from  Foxirth  avenue  and  McCabe  left  us,  and  we
talked  over  the  niatter."

A:  second  meeting  was  held.  The  pariies  met  at  the  same
place.  Chief  McCabe  present:

"Q.  Did  you  meet  them?"    Says  Cnoker,  "I  did,  sir."

After  Shaw  had  told  them  that  he  could  not  do  anything  for
them,  the  question  was  put:

"Q.  What  did  "McCabe  say?    A.  I  don't  remember.
'■Q.  You  don't  remember?    A.  No',  sir;  I  don't  remember.
