Q.  State  what  Mr.  Quigg  said  and  what  you  said?  A.  I  can
not  state  that;  I  can  not  state  that  the  naimies  of  the  Senators
mentionied  in  the  artSde  had  been  mentioned;  I  can  not  fix  any
time;  Mr.  Quigg  and  I  aire  Intends  and  we  had  many  conversa-
tions, from  Itot  Decembter,  in  connectioin  with  this  bill.
Q.  Were  Mi-.  Quigg  and  you  interesited'  in  the  passage  of  the
judicial  -sales  bill?    A.  Yes,  sir.
Q.  Mr.  Quigg  had  gone  toi  Albany  in  connection  with  that  bill  ?
A.  Yes,  isl'r.
Q.  He  had  been  assi'Sting  yon  in;  regard  to  both  bills?  A.  Yes^
sir.
Q.  And  taidug  an  active  ilnterest?    A.  Yes,  sir.
Q.  And  since  the  paissage  of  the  firemen's  bill,  you  and  he  had
CiOnversaltion  in  regardi  to  the  juldioilal  sales  bill  ?    A.  Yes,  sir.
Q.  In  connection  with  that  matter  you  discussed  the  matter
of  the  senators  besides?    A.  I  think  we  did.
Q.  And  as  to  whether  Senator  Eiaines  was  foir  or  against  the
judicial  sades  bill;  was  that  a  topic  of  oonvensatiion?  A.  It  was,
as  it  was  very  impoirtant  to  know  our  frienidsi.
O.  Was  there  any  time  previous  to  the  date  of  thisj
publiciaiion  that  mention  was  made  between  youj  and  Mr.  Quigg
witTi  regamd  to  tbe  publication  of  matter  in  The  Pressi?
A.  There  was.
Q.  At  how  early  a  day?  A.  I  think  it  was  the  day  on  which
Mr.  Quigg  went  to  Albany;  he  has  testified  asto  whait "dayiitwas;


I  am.  unable  to  tell,  but  it  was  at  the  time  of  the  conversation
with  Payu.
Q.  Was  that  before  the  passage  of  the  firemen's  bill?  A.  It
was.
