Q.  (By  Senator  Ketcham) — We  all  have  personal  accounts,
and  know  how  much  it  costs  ns  to  live,  and  can  strike  a  fair
average  and  then  take  the  balance?  A.  I  don't  know  how  much
it  costs  me  to  live.
Q.  (By  Senator  Ketcham)— I  think  if  I  had  money  from  the
State,  as  interest  upon  its  funds,  I  would  want  to  find  out  how
much  I  owed  the  State;  I  would  feel  uncomfortable  until  I  did
know.  A.  1  can't  tell  how  much  I  received  by  way  of  interest
at  all.
Q.  (By  Senator  Ketcham) — These  are  unpleasant  questions,
but  I  think  we  ought  to  do  our  duty;  they  are  unpleasant  to  ask,
as  they  are  unpleasant  to  you  to  answer,  but  I  think  the  Com-
mittee ought  to  know,  and  if  there  is  any  answer  to  be  had  they
they  should  have  it.  A.  "Very,  very  difficult  indeed,  because,  as
I  have  stated,  it  becomes  the  money — once  paid  into  my  hands
goes  into  my  personal  account.  If  I  should  take  and  strike  a
balance  between  it  as  to  my  investments  during  the  last  fifteen
years,  I  am  afraid  the  balance  would  be  on  the  wropg  side,  then
I  would  bring  the  State  in  debt,  I  am  very  apprehensive.
Q.  When  you  borrow  money  from  the  bank  do  they  let  you
have  it  without  interest,  if  you  don't  make  anything  out  of  it?
A.  IsTo;  I  never  found  that  kind  of  banks.
Q.  Then  you  can  hardly  expect  the  State  to  be  as  liberal  as
that  with  you?  A.  No;  jesting  aside,  I  have  kept  no  separate
account;  I  have  no  way  of  ascertaining  whether  I  have  lost
money  or  made  money.
