Q.  What  about  Leary  and  the  rest?  A.  He  told  me  he  knew
several  men  who  would  help  the  bill  along;  he  asked  rae  who
had  comlrol  of  it,  and  I  told  him  I  did  not  know,  that  I  was  not
in  the  aissociation;  I  was  a  susperided  member;  I  was  suspended
eight  monthsi;  I  did  go  at  one  time  a  few  diays  after  I  had  this
conversation ;  I  dild  go.  and  see  Firemiain  Clifford,  but  I  guess  he
forgets  it;  he  was  busy  at  the  time.
Q.  State  the  comversiation  with  Clifford?  A.  I  said  to^  him
that  I  kmew  several  men  that  would  .take  care  of  the  bill,  and
tlien  I  mentioned  the  chief's  name,  but  I  did  it  wilthtout  his  per-
mission, and  the  fact  that  he  wtouid  be  in  Albany,  and  also  of
his  having  been  an  inspectioin  officer  iin  the  department  it  would
help  us  with  the  bill ;  Clifford  says,  "  I  have  got  nothing  to  do
with  that; "  he  says,  "  I  will  see  about  it; "  that  is  all  the  con-
versartiom  I  had  with  him.
Q.  Were  you  acquainted  with'  Leary?  A.  'No,  sir;  I  saw  Nor-
ton abou;t  twice;  he  was  a  friend  of  the  chiefs..
Q.  MJcOabe  wanted  yoiu  to  have  their  serviceis  secured  for  the
bill?    A.  I  understood'  it  that  way.
Q.  That  is  what  yoiu  undertook  to  accomplish  lor  McCabe?  A.
Yes,  sir.
Q.  Did  McCabe  explain  to  you  the  business  of. Leary?  A.  He
did  not.
•  Q.  Is  he  a  man  who  lives  at  Albany  amid  works,  to '  promiote
legisilation?    A.  No,  sir;  he  sadld  he  would  take  care  of  it  for  us.
