Q.  Did  he  say  aaiythiiDig  to  you  about  Mr.  Payn,  telling  you
who  he  was  or  what  qualifioatiloins  he  had?  A.  He  only  said  to
me  I  ought  to  have  somie  knowledge  of  Payn  and  the  kind  of  a
gentleman  he  was;  I  didn't  happen  to  possess  amy  knowledge  of
Payn;  I  am  niot  acquaamted  with  him.
Q.  Did  he  siay  anything  about  the  prospect  or  certainty  of  thte
bill  passing  if  Payn  had  charge  of  it?  A.  He  said  anything
Payn  took  hold  of  he  was  sure  of  pas'siSng;  that  the  people  were
all  with  him  in  Albany.
Q.  Did  he  say  who  else,  olr  who  in  behalf  of  the  officers  was
handling  this  money?  A.  John  J.  Bums,  president  of  the  asso-
ciation, was  a  personal  friend  of  Lou  Payn,  of  whom  Payn  thought
considerable;  I  desire  to  state  that  about  the  time  the  conversa-
tion took  place  our  bill  wals  in  a  precarious  condition.
