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"text": "Hey, Jordan Harbinger here from the Art of Charm."
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"text": "Welcome to Minnesota Monday."
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"text": "I m happy to be here with you kicking off the week with something quick and actionable that you can implement right away that ll make you more magnetic and effective."
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"text": "If you re anything like me, you ve spent way too much time agonizing over your ability to keep up with your workload or your life load."
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"text": "Sure, you feel some low-level or not-so-low-level stress that leads to that overwhelmed feeling that we just all loathe."
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"text": "The problem with this is that a lot of things get swept under the rug."
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"text": "We say we re going to do them later, or we try to forget about them, or rationalize that they just don t even need to be done, and this creeps up on us."
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"text": "It becomes insidious, and we start to lose sleep and start comparing ourselves to other people who seem to have it all together."
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"text": "Then, the anxiety mixes with your lack of sleep and congeals into a lower sense of self-worth and maybe even a lack of motivation, which leads to yet more slacking off and more comparison with others and so on."
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"text": "It s a vicious cycle."
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"text": "Now, the biggest problem with this isn t finding out that it s affecting us, nor is it coming up with some plan to get motivated and get more done."
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"text": "The problem is that often, the thing standing in the way of us getting our proverbial ish together is us."
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"text": "Yeah, it s you, man."
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"text": "You re sabotaging yourself and you re sabotaging your productivity."
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"text": "What?"
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"text": "Why the hell would I do that, you say?"
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"text": "Well, I m glad you asked."
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"text": "Allow me to explain."
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"text": "Self-sabotage is simple on its face."
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"text": "It s essentially the phenomenon that occurs when we throw obstacles and hurdles into our own path."
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"text": "I ve done it, you ve done it, but some people do it all the time with just about everything that s important to them."
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"text": "This means health, finances, relationships, career, you name it."
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"text": "It s like one part of your personality is in a passive-aggressive fight with another part of your personality."
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"text": "It s messy."
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"text": "Need an example?"
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"text": "Alright."
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"text": "When s the last time you had something important to do and you went onto Facebook or into your email box or texted a friend instead?"
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"text": "Admit it."
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"text": "We ve all done this."
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"text": "But the question is why?"
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"text": "Why the hell would you waste precious time doing something that you know is not advancing you towards your goal and yet here you are watching this video or watching this stupid thing on Facebook instead of writing or instead of researching or instead of whatever."
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"text": "You get the idea."
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"text": "Paradoxically, some of the science behind this has shown that self-sabotage is actually linked strongly to a sense of survival, at least the survival of our egos."
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"text": "For example, if we fail at what we ve set out to do, we can blame that other external object or activity for the failure."
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"text": "Oh yeah, I was playing with my new dog, I was talking to my family, my friends, my new partner, whatever."
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"text": "It s easier on the old ego to say that you made a set of choices that resulted in not giving your goals enough attention as opposed to admitting that your best just wasn t good enough."
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"text": "Basically, you re building up a set of excuses in anticipation of failure."
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"text": "It s subconscious and it s a dirty habit."
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"text": "So now we get it, it makes sense."
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"text": "But the problem remains."
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"text": "As I mentioned before, this constant self-sabotage can send you into a downward spiral."
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"text": "The more you do it, the easier it becomes, and the harder it can be to get back on the horse."
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"text": "Because each failure somehow proves that you just can t do it and you aren t cut out to achieve your goals or make anything significant happen in that area of your life."
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"text": "The other thing that happens, and this is killer, is that since you re constantly playing catch-up and in panic mode, the quality of your work suffers."
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"text": "Since you re a listener of the Art of Charm podcast, you know about the concepts of deep work and how focused, deep dives are what make real creation and achievement possible."
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"text": "The other side of this problem coin is that since you know you re capable of better work product, you feel ashamed of what you ve turned in because now you know it s not your best."
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"text": "You re never playing at your A game and it hurts."
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"text": "This is a recipe for depression if I ve ever heard one."
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"text": "All right, Jordan, got it."
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"text": "How the hell do we fix this problem then, smart guy?"
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"text": "I got you, don t worry."
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"text": "Here are some quick suggestions from a few guests of the Art of Charm podcast."
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"text": "One, eliminate distraction."
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"text": "Nir Ayal, Cal Newport, and several other guests on AOC are huge fans of making sure that the phone is on airplane or do not disturb mode, you re not getting notifications, there s no vibrations, no outside pokes, no nothing."
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"text": "This might also mean closing browser tabs or making sure your music is on a nice long playlist and you don t have to go surfing through Spotify for a half an hour finding the right tunes."
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"text": "Number two, change your environment."
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"text": "For me, I often have to jump to a cafe where there s a lot less fun stuff to do other than work."
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"text": "Sure, I m used to working from the studio I built in my house these days, but it took me the better part of a decade to get where I am now with working from home."
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"text": "I still find that a quick change up can give me a boost of productivity when I really need it."
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"text": "Plus, nothing says finish these dumb emails as fast as humanly possible when you have to go to the bathroom and you don t want to wait in line at Starbucks to do it."
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"text": "Three, use a tomato timer."
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"text": "Seriously, there are apps for something called the Pomodoro technique that get you focusing intensely for 20 or so minutes at a time, followed by a short break."
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"text": "This is great for quick bursts, and I often find myself getting into the zone and not even taking the break after the timer dings because I m just cranking away."
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"text": "There s something about knowing exactly when your next break is that is very liberating."
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"text": "Try it for yourself and see how it goes."
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"text": "And number four, last but not least, a little twist on the above is my friend James Clear s two-minute rule."
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"text": "This essentially says that if a task is going to take less than two minutes, just do it."
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"text": "A corollary here, or corollary, depending on who you ask, Jason, especially to the Pomodoro rule I mentioned earlier, is that you can start something new and you can just do it for two minutes as well."
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"text": "Often you ll blaze right through those two minutes and accomplish much more than you thought."
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"text": "This one is especially great for us procrastinators who put off getting started."
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"text": "There s so much more like this on the Art of Charm podcast."
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"text": "Of course, you know that if you re not new."
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"text": "Check us out and definitely check out the Art of Charm Challenge where we re helping you learn how to better connect with others, create more productive personal and business relationships, and we re taking you step by step to help you move forward with that."
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"text": "There s also a very supportive Facebook group with thousands of other AOC family taking the challenge as well."
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"text": "Of course, AJ and I are in there with the rest of the Art of Charm team helping you move through those challenges."
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"text": "It s great for us to see the growth going on there."
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"text": "It s really, really fun."
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"text": "It s really, really easy to get started."
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"text": "Harder to stick with it, though."
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"text": "See the techniques I mentioned earlier."
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"text": "Just text CHARMED, C-H-A-R-M-E-D, to 33444 in the States, or go to theartofcharm.com slash challenge and get rockin ."
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"text": "All right, everybody, have a great week."
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"text": "Welcome to The Art of Charm."
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"text": "I m your host, Jordan Harbinger."
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"text": "I m here with producer Jason Afilipo."
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"text": "What s up, my brother?"
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"text": "Here at The Art of Charm, we may not have all the answers, but we certainly have some of the questions."
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"text": "And today on Fan Mail Friday, those questions come from you."
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"text": "If this is your first time listening to The Art of Charm, Fan Mail Friday is a great sample of how we operate at AOC, but by no means a full helping of all our show has to offer."
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"text": "Listener interaction is one of my favorite parts of the show, and without you, we would have no show."
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"text": "But our typical content is much more in-depth, with well-known top performers in their field."
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"text": "We work to unpack their methods, their theories, and their hard-earned insights."
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"text": "These are people you either know or should know, and we use a longer format to help you understand what processes or steps they used which helped them become successful."
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"text": "Then, we distill those concepts and help you apply them to your life."
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"text": "For a great place to start, check out some of our most popular episodes at theartofcharm.com where you can find the best of, as well as our Fundamentals Toolbox, which includes topics such as reading body language and charismatic nonverbal communication, the science of attraction, negotiation techniques, networking and influence strategies, persuasion tactics, and everything else that we teach here at the Art of Charm."
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"text": "We ll send all that to your inbox if you text CHARMED, that s C-H-A-R-M-E-D,"
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"text": "to 33444 in the states or everywhere else, just go to theartofcharm.com."
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"text": "You can also grab our iPhone app at theartofcharm.com slash iPhone."
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"text": "All right, let s cut to it."
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"text": "First up, Jason."
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"text": "Hey AOC team, what are some tactics we can use to handle overtalkers, both in business and personal settings?"
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"text": "My default approach is to simply interject as little as possible, assuming that if I say anything, I just give the person more material to overtalk about."
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"text": "In practice, however, this is the same as meek acceptance of their disrespecting my time."
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"text": "AOC listeners know that there are definite limits to human attention."
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"text": "The overtalkers must have missed the memo."
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"text": "What s the best way to get them to wrap it up?"
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"text": "Signed, don t step on my lines, bro."
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"text": "I am going to go with that."
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"text": "I m going to go with people who talk over others."
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"text": "And the way that I handle this on the show and in my real life is I interject using nonverbal communication."
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"text": "So I use a hand signal and I can either raise my hand up with my palm open facing them, which is"
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"text": "It s a little bit of a, it s less of a, you don t want to do the backhand because that s aggressive, right?"
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"text": "But you can do an open palm, maybe not the middle finger, and you can raise a finger up as well, but that s almost like saying one minute pause or shush."
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"text": "It can be a little aggressive, but if you raise your hand up in an open palm,"
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"text": "it just breaks their autopilot where they re talking, talking, talking, maybe a little bit nervous."
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"text": "And as for talking too much, it can be anxiety."
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"text": "You can use the same nonverbal hand signal to say, I ve actually gotta get going, we ll pick this up later."
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"text": "And they should get the hint."
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"text": "If not, you can be a little bit more forceful with respect to your time."
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"text": "You can be polite but firm."
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"text": "You can say something like, hang on just a second, with the same open palm, hand facing them, fingers spread out, hang on just a second."
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"text": "The higher you raise that hand up to eye level, the more urgent it is."
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"text": "So if you just kind of raise your hand and it s chest level, it s kind of like, I m ready to talk whenever you re done, and some people will take the hint."
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"text": "But if you raise it up towards your eye level, it s more urgently saying, look, I want to speak right now, so wind it up."
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"text": "And then when they stop talking,"
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"text": "you can say, look, I ve gotta run, but we can pick this up later."
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"text": "If that doesn t work and they re literally not giving you any opportunity to speak, at that point you can raise your hand, open palm, eye level and say, hey, I ve really gotta get going, we ll pick this up later."
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"text": "Because at some point they re so rude and so oblivious that you can t just sit there for 10 more minutes disrespectful of your own time because they can t get the hint."
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"text": "Yes, over-talking?"
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"text": "Annoying."
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"text": "People who won t shut up?"
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"text": "Annoying."
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"text": "It s often just their own anxiety."
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"text": "So get them to wrap it up, otherwise you re going to waste a lot of your time being extra polite."
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"text": "Next up."
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"text": "Hey Jordan, I m worried about my education, or lack thereof, which makes me self-conscious about not being on par with others at work and in social situations."
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"text": "Any tips or advice for getting over this?"
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"text": "Thanks brother!"
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"text": "Henry."
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"text": "Yes, I would say that you should script a what-do-you-do response that focuses on accomplishments, work, hobbies, etc."
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"text": "Very few people care about schooling background."
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"text": "At least at my age, 37, I don t care where anybody went to school."
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"text": "It never comes up."
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"text": "I can t even think of times at which it has come up unless it s a"
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"text": "Sports thing yeah, where d you go to school you ve written for Michigan?"
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"text": "I mean, it s it s almost never something that people even seem to care about especially in the entrepreneur world We were starting your own business Maybe it s a little bit more of a thing in a corporate world especially in the middle of America But I I m not sure how much people are judging by this after you ve been working for a while."
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"text": "What do you think Jason?"
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"text": "Look, I barely graduated high school, and I only took photography in college before going out into the quote-unquote real world."
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"text": "And I m 45 now, and it s never been an issue."
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"text": "The only stories I really don t get to chime in on are when my friends are bitching about how long it took to pay off their student debt."
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"text": "So I would say check out episode 595 with Joey Ito."
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"text": "He never graduated college and now runs one of the most prestigious learning institutions in the world."
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"text": "But the problem is, flaws in one area of your life affect the judgment of others on unrelated arguments."
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"text": "Alright Jason, next up."
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"text": "This next one comes from Jozel."
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"text": "I m worried I m at the whim of my insecurities."
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"text": "It s a great place to engage with the show."
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ποΈ ReadyAI - 5,000 Podcast Conversations with Metadata and Embedding Dataset
ReadyAI, operating subnet 33 on the Bittensor Network is an open-source initiative focused on low-cost, resource-minimal pipelines for structuring raw data for AI applications. This dataset is part of the ReadyAI Conversational Genome Project, leveraging the Bittensor decentralized network.
AI runs on structured data β and this dataset bridges the gap between raw conversation transcripts and structured, vectorized semantic tags.
You can find more about our subnet on GitHub here.
Full Vectors Access
β‘οΈ Download the full 45 GB conversation tags embeddings from here
For large-scale processing and fine-tuning.
π¦ Dataset Versions
In addition to the full dataset, two smaller versions are available:
Small version
- Located in the
small_dataset
folder. - Contains 1,000 conversations with the same file structure as the full dataset.
- All filenames are prefixed with
small_
.
- Located in the
Medium version
- Located in the
medium_dataset
folder. - Contains 2,500 conversations
- Also using the same structure and
medium_
prefix for all files.
- Located in the
These subsets are ideal for lightweight experimentation, prototyping, or benchmarking.
π Dataset Overview
This dataset contains annotated conversation transcripts with:
- Human-readable semantic tags
- Embedding vectors contextualized to each conversation
- Participant metadata
It is ideal for:
- Semantic search over conversations
- AI assistant training (OpenAI models, fine-tuning)
- Vector search implementations using pg_vector and Pinecone
- Metadata analysis and tag retrieval for LLMs
The embeddings were generated with the text-embedding-ada-002 model and have 1536 dimensions per tag.
π Dataset Structure
The dataset consists of four main components:
1. data/bittensor-conversational-tags-and-embeddings-part-*.parquet β Tag Embeddings and Metadata
Each Parquet file contains rows with:
Column | Type | Description |
---|---|---|
c_guid | int64 | Unique conversation group ID |
tag_id | int64 | Unique identifier for the tag |
tag | string | Semantic tag (e.g., "climate change") |
vector | list of float32 | Embedding vector representing the tag's meaning in the conversation's context |
β Files split into ~1GB chunks for efficient loading and streaming.
2. tag_to_id.parquet β Tag Mapping
Mapping between tag IDs and human-readable tags.
Column | Type | Description |
---|---|---|
tag_id | int64 | Unique tag ID |
tag | string | Semantic tag text |
β Useful for reverse-mapping tags from models or outputs.
3. conversations_to_tags.parquet β Conversation-to-Tag Mappings
Links conversations to their associated semantic tags.
Column | Type | Description |
---|---|---|
c_guid | int64 | Conversation group ID |
tag_ids | list of int64 | List of tag IDs relevant to the conversation |
β For supervised training, retrieval tasks, or semantic labeling.
4. conversations_train.parquet β Full Conversation Text and Participants
Contains the raw multi-turn dialogue and metadata.
Column | Type | Description |
---|---|---|
c_guid | int64 | Conversation group ID |
transcript | string | Full conversation text |
participants | list of strings | List of speaker identifiers |
β Useful for dialogue modeling, multi-speaker AI, or fine-tuning.
π How to Use
Install dependencies
pip install pandas pyarrow datasets
Download the dataset
import datasets
path = "ReadyAi/5000-podcast-conversations-with-metadata-and-embedding-dataset"
dataset = datasets.load_dataset(path)
print(dataset['train'].column_names)
Load a single Parquet split
import pandas as pd
df = pd.read_parquet("data/bittensor-conversational-tags-and-embeddings-part-0000.parquet")
print(df.head())
Load all tag splits
import pandas as pd
import glob
files = sorted(glob.glob("data/bittensor-conversational-tags-and-embeddings-part-*.parquet"))
df_tags = pd.concat((pd.read_parquet(f) for f in files), ignore_index=True)
print(f"Loaded {len(df_tags)} tag records.")
Load tag dictionary
tag_dict = pd.read_parquet("tag_to_id.parquet")
print(tag_dict.head())
Load conversation to tags mapping
df_mapping = pd.read_parquet("conversations_to_tags.parquet")
print(df_mapping.head())
Load full conversations dialog and metadata
df_conversations = pd.read_parquet("conversations_train.parquet")
print(df_conversations.head())
π₯ Example: Reconstruct Tags for a Conversation
# Build tag lookup
tag_lookup = dict(zip(tag_dict['tag_id'], tag_dict['tag']))
# Pick a conversation
sample = df_mapping.iloc[0]
c_guid = sample['c_guid']
tag_ids = sample['tag_ids']
# Translate tag IDs to human-readable tags
tags = [tag_lookup.get(tid, "Unknown") for tid in tag_ids]
print(f"Conversation {c_guid} has tags: {tags}")
π¦ Handling Split Files
Situation | Strategy |
---|---|
Enough RAM | Use pd.concat() to merge splits |
Low memory | Process each split one-by-one |
Hugging Face datasets | Use streaming mode |
Example (streaming with Hugging Face datasets
)
from datasets import load_dataset
dataset = load_dataset(
"ReadyAi/5000-podcast-conversations-with-metadata-and-embedding-dataset",
split="train",
streaming=True
)
for example in dataset:
print(example)
break
π License
MIT License
β
Free to use and modify
β¨ Credits
Built using contributions from Bittensor conversational miners and the ReadyAI open-source community.
π― Summary
Component | Description |
---|---|
parquets/part_*.parquet | Semantic tags and their contextual embeddings |
tag_to_id.parquet | Dictionary mapping of tag IDs to text |
conversations_to_tags.parquet | Links conversations to tags |
conversations_train.parquet | Full multi-turn dialogue with participant metadata |
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