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PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I don't know where he was at that time so I gave to him to give it to Hepe. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 100 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 124 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.142239 | 3.169596 | -1 |
MR LAX | You see in a previous matter you told us that after that operation you phoned Mphahlele? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 101 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 125 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.023272 | 5.449449 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | After which operation? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 102 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 126 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.702033 | 4.936838 | 3,270 |
MR LAX | The one - the next one - the one that we dealt with next week which happened the day after this one. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 103 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 127 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.339666 | 2.986589 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 104 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 128 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 14.437734 | 19.783222 | 3 |
MR LAX | You said in that one that you reported to Mphahlele but you did that by phone on that occasion? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 105 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 129 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.868344 | 5.438344 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 106 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 130 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -14.807381 | 2.339811 | 9 |
MR LAX | So where did you phone him? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 107 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 131 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.345544 | 4.086965 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | At Umtata. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 108 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 132 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.941146 | 4.934114 | 2,414 |
MR LAX | So he must have been at Umtata. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 109 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 133 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.966177 | 5.022445 | 2,414 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I don't know. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 110 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 134 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -12.48602 | 3.363545 | 264 |
MR LAX | Well if you phoned him there surely he was there? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 111 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 135 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.497502 | 3.495891 | 3,471 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | It was not the same day. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 112 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 136 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.90901 | 2.937189 | 1,782 |
MR LAX | I won't waste my time with this nonsense. Carry on. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 113 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 137 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -7.249234 | -4.51123 | 169 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Sorry, what are you saying? I don't know whether I hear you correctly, you say you won't waste your time with this nonsense? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 114 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 138 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.487839 | 4.949624 | -1 |
MR LAX | Just carry on with your evidence. Mr Mphahlele, please keep quiet, this is none of your business, you're not giving evidence. Please behave yourself, really. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 115 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 139 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.383258 | 7.149727 | 1,395 |
MR MPHAHLELE | You must behave yourself. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 116 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 140 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.268446 | 3.648692 | 2,992 |
CHAIRPERSON | If this continues, I will have no option but to ask that you be removed. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 117 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 141 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.058435 | 3.130957 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | He won't be removed here. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 118 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 142 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.117404 | 3.254296 | -1 |
MR LAX | Please continue with your evidence. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 119 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 143 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.337288 | 7.120045 | 1,395 |
MR MBANDAZAYO | Thank you. Mr Chairman, can I just be given a minute just to talk to him? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 120 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 144 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.151159 | 8.684321 | 2,538 |
MR LAX | What is nonsense with all due respect to all of you, if you want me to explain, is the fact that they phoned the man in Umtata, we know he was based in Umtata, we've heard evidence to that effect. Really, I'm not going to get into an argument with you about the issue, that's all I'm saying. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 121 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 145 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.957763 | 5.028039 | 2,414 |
MR MBANDAZAYO | Thank you Mr Chairman. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 122 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 146 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -9.151939 | 1.628476 | 315 |
CHAIRPERSON | Mr Mthembu, any questions? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 123 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 147 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.739304 | 5.768775 | -1 |
MR MTHEMBU | None Mr Chairman, thank you. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 124 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 148 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.751822 | 9.039508 | 2,203 |
CHAIRPERSON | You had finished with this? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 125 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 149 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.589927 | 3.388825 | 2,022 |
MR MBANDAZAYO | Yes Mr Chairman, I've finished with him, thank you Mr Chairman. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 126 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 150 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.967929 | 8.775073 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | Mr Dolo, just to get it into it's time sequence, this event where you shot at this vehicle, this bakkie, was the 18th November 1992 and the following day was the 19th when you went to the Lady Grey Sterkspruit Road where Mrs Brummer, Mr Tsimani and the other gentleman, the coloured gentleman were killed, is that correct? In other words this matter occurred the day before the Lady Grey Hershel Sterkspruit matter which we dealt with last week? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 127 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 151 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.985527 | 2.486508 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Okay yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 128 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 152 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -3.267912 | 3.137568 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | Okay and in that matter you said following on a question from the Committee you phoned Mr Letlapa Mphahlele informing him of that matter and your evidence a short while ago was that in this matter you wrote to him the following day, that is the day in which you perpetrated that attack on Mrs Brummer and Mr Tsimani and the other gentlemen? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 129 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 153 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.726212 | 4.532 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | By the following day I mean it was early in the morning before we went for this one of Lady Grey Sterkspruit ambush. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 130 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 154 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.907931 | 3.21497 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | Yes, so before you left there you wrote your report and gave it to Mr Phila, that's Power or Ace, is that right? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 131 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 155 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.007916 | 5.034145 | 3,152 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 132 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 156 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.765737 | -14.663641 | 963 |
MR PRIOR | I just wanted to get that clear. Why didn't you phone Mr Mphahlele in Umtata? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 133 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 157 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.906701 | 5.178765 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I had to go to another operation that's why I didn't have much time to go to town and phone. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 134 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 158 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.256167 | 4.229586 | 3,450 |
MR PRIOR | Alright. I just want to refer you to the Amnesty Application of Mr Thabiso James Makoala. If you look at the bundle before you to page 4 and 5 of the prepared papers.
Would you agree with that list that those were the attacks carried out in that area and that was during 1992 except for the last one on page 4 which doesn't really relate to the Sterkspruit area - it was Umtata Ikwesi Lukuso attack but...[intervention] | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 135 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 159 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 9.750294 | 9.143353 | 1,080 |
CHAIRPERSON | It was also in 1994 - so it didn't relate to the time either. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 136 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 161 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.273331 | 6.111897 | 1,428 |
MR PRIOR | Yes but apart from that one, would you agree that the attacks or the operations that he sets out on page 4 and 5 were all the incidents involving your unit which was housed at Jozannashoek that was during 1992? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 137 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 162 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.282917 | 3.66772 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | So what's you question? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 138 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 163 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -2.189896 | 5.028822 | 1,491 |
MR PRIOR | No, do you agree that those are the complete number of attacks or operations that you carried out during 1992 when you and your unit were based at Jozannashoek during 1992? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 139 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 164 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.283456 | 3.727585 | 3,254 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I don't agree. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 140 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 165 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.125895 | 5.546399 | 1,541 |
MR PRIOR | Well he lists the Mayaphuti Bridge which is the one that we're dealing with today. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 141 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 166 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.593657 | 2.555069 | -1 |
MR LAX | Mr Prior, maybe he could just tell us what else or maybe why he doesn't agree and what else he wants to add. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 142 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 167 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.579406 | 11.156393 | 877 |
CHAIRPERSON | Or take off. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 143 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 168 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.273204 | 3.814848 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | Thank you Mr Chairman, I'll do that.
Well, in which respects don't you agree with Mr Makoala's list? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 144 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 169 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.124464 | 8.618885 | 2,538 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I don't agree with Mr Prior when he says that I took part in all those attacks. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 145 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 171 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.364463 | 3.564276 | 3,280 |
MR PRIOR | No I don't say you took part.
ADV. SANDI: Can I explain your question Mr Prior? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 146 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 172 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.624241 | 3.644582 | 3,090 |
MR PRIOR | Yes, please.
ADV. SANDI: Mr Dolo, can you see page 4 and 5? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 147 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 174 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.212238 | 9.40073 | 1,225 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes I can see.
ADV. SANDI: Would you say what appears there is a list of all the incidents and actions your unit was involved in whilst you were based at Jozannashoek? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 148 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 176 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.048623 | 4.520978 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes I agree. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 149 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 178 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 19.746878 | 7.913003 | 126 |
CHAIRPERSON | That is excluding the last one on page 4. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 150 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 179 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.107266 | 7.002401 | 1,376 |
MR PRIOR | So you're known as Kenny, is that right? Kenny? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 151 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 180 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.893663 | 5.465071 | 2,570 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | There were two Kenny - I think Thabiso will be of help to explain to you. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 152 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 181 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.948602 | 5.497118 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | Alright. Is that why you say you weren't involved in all these operations? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 153 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 182 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.749013 | 4.905833 | 3,270 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 154 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 183 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 14.538165 | 19.81984 | 3 |
MR PRIOR | But these people were part of your unit, you would have given them the instruction to go out and do these operations, is that right? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 155 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 184 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.570424 | 4.883894 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | These were not the only people who were stationed at Jozanna. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 156 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 185 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.228402 | 5.002083 | 3,314 |
MR PRIOR | Yes but during 1992 you were the commander, Regional Commander of that unit based at Jozannashoek? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 157 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 186 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.883047 | 5.394492 | 3,353 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | That's it. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 158 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 187 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -2.295998 | 3.201809 | 1,208 |
MR PRIOR | And if members of your unit had gone out doing attacks the orders would have come from you, that's what I simply want to establish, or are you saying someone else may have given them orders without you knowing about that? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 159 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 188 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.338158 | 3.993013 | 3,320 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I was the Regional Commander there, taking over from Phila as I mentioned before. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 160 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 189 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.776501 | 5.424448 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | I'm happy with that, I understand that. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 161 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 190 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.824111 | 4.150201 | 2,003 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | And I was not stationed there at Jozanna later on. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 162 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 191 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.213408 | 4.972656 | 3,314 |
MR PRIOR | Well maybe we can deal with it this way. You certainly had something to do with the Mayaphuti Bridge, that's the first incident he lists, can we tick that off, we can say you were involved there because that's what you're talking about today? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 163 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 192 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.80053 | 3.858774 | 3,087 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes I'm involved. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 164 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 193 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.772283 | 3.730183 | 3,091 |
MR PRIOR | Then the Zastron farm attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 165 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 194 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.663643 | 2.719496 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 166 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 195 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -4.302162 | -11.802291 | 849 |
MR PRIOR | Can we accept that you never went on any attack with Makoala, Mr Makoala? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 167 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 196 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.918474 | 5.75738 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Involving? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 168 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 197 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.706039 | 3.749794 | 3,091 |
MR LAX | Sorry can I just come in there. Mr Prior you're putting that question in a very general way. "Can we accept you never went on any attack with him" - it's not - okay - even so, let's try and be a bit more specific so we can - because I understand the problem, I'm only referring to - can I just take over here - as I said earlier, maybe you can indicate to us - what is wrong with this list of attack, what's missing from it, what other acts are there that should be added, are there any that should be taken off that you don't agree happened and then in respect of each one maybe say whether you gave the order or whether Ace Phila gave it or someone else gave it so that we can get some degree of clarity on these issues.
ADV. SANDI: But, Mr Prior, isn't that exactly what you are trying to ascertain from the witness by going with him through each and every incident that appears on this list? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 169 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 198 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 6.102337 | 8.387139 | 2,573 |
MR PRIOR | The purpose of my questioning on this aspect is whether he agrees with the list supplied by Mr Makoala who was a member of his unit at Jozannashoek. Whether he agrees that those were the sum total of operations that were carried out during 1992 while they were based in that area. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 170 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 200 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.010642 | 4.521605 | -1 |
MR LAX | So we already know that's not the sum total from previous evidence we've heard because there were some training attacks they went on and other things they may have done so that's why I'm saying there's a problem with them putting it that way. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 171 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 201 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.346058 | 3.601288 | 3,280 |
CHAIRPERSON | Well let us just going through them one by one and then asking if there are any others, but before we do that, can you perhaps help me. We've heard about a Kenny Madibula, is that you or is that the other Kenny? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 172 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 202 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.799827 | 5.403581 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | That's the second Kenny. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 173 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 203 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.903969 | 5.475035 | 2,570 |
CHAIRPERSON | That's the other one. Right, you've told us that you did take part in the bridge, Mayaphuti Bridge attack. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 174 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 204 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.653369 | 2.73665 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes I did. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 175 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 205 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -6.957059 | -11.370912 | 131 |
CHAIRPERSON | And do you agree that the people there were the other applicant - Mr Makoala, Roger and Scorpion the other people? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 176 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 206 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.328131 | 8.432367 | 2,599 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I do agree. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 177 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 207 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.169367 | 5.619676 | 1,540 |
CHAIRPERSON | And can you tell us any other names for them? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 178 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 208 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.307485 | 5.352575 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I know them with those names. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 179 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 209 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.312835 | 5.231878 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | Right, then the Zastron farm attack, do you know of that attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 180 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 210 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.659432 | 2.816365 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No, I don't know. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 181 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 211 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -10.320397 | -5.981058 | 45 |
CHAIRPERSON | Do you know that there was such an attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 182 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 212 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.344986 | 3.473889 | 3,280 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No, I don't know. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 183 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 213 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -10.320201 | -5.981168 | 45 |
CHAIRPERSON | You don't know anything about such an attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 184 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 214 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.317575 | 3.463378 | 3,280 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 185 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 215 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 14.503034 | 19.84703 | 3 |
CHAIRPERSON | You haven't heard from anybody? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 186 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 216 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.234659 | 4.627019 | 2,903 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I heard it later when we just discussed but not officially. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 187 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 217 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.279441 | 4.538576 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | The Sterkspruit Hotel attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 188 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 218 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.144737 | 2.661071 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No, I don't know. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 189 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 219 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -10.320205 | -5.981157 | 45 |
CHAIRPERSON | When quite a lot of - I think that's the one I'm saying - quite a lot of money came back from that. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 190 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 220 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.990604 | 0.73848 | 1,469 |
MR LAX | Sixty Five Thousand, Mr Chairman. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 191 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 221 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.937948 | 8.550668 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | You don't know about it? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 192 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 222 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.435021 | 4.20249 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 193 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 223 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 14.523025 | 19.881914 | 3 |
CHAIRPERSON | The Lady Grey ambush? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 194 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 224 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.758241 | 3.21011 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I took part in it. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 195 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 225 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.632588 | 3.593317 | 3,090 |
CHAIRPERSON | And you agree with the people there? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 196 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 226 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.019992 | 5.510612 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Except the name Jabu. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 197 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 227 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.022261 | 5.478098 | 2,566 |
CHAIRPERSON | Jabu.
Then the Lady Grey farm attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 198 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 228 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.643876 | 3.173282 | 3,007 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No, I never take part in that. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 199 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 230 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.644211 | 3.665912 | 3,090 |
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