[THANKS] I was able to profit using your dataset

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by avidbookwriter - opened

I'd like to thank nyuuz for sharing this data. 15 days ago I needed to meet my book deadline and i didn't have enough time. I used his fanfics AI and was able to finish it before the deadlines. Not sure why you're all hating him he's a life saver!
It made a difference and i was able to profit from the AI generated book because it became a trending item on Amazon. (earned over 1500$ on sales!!!)

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That's what AI is all about! We can all help each other <3

That's awesome @avidbookwriter :3

you're not a writer, this is plagiarism. you should feel ashamed of yourself.

As someone who actually works in the publishing industry, this story throws up so many red flags it's practically a parade, and I wanted to share why this is likely complete BS and dispel the misinformation OP is throwing around. Honestly, it's something to get a good laugh in and definitely share with my boss. She'll love it — and laugh at the sheer impossibility! 😆

First off, the timeline is utterly unrealistic. Even for established authors, securing a traditional publishing contract (which a "deadline" strongly implies here) is a significant process. Newbie authors rarely land these immediately, and even experienced authors have some trouble. Then comes the actual work with the publishing house – rounds of editing, typesetting, cover design, and marketing – all of which take months after the manuscript deadline. A mere 15 days from needing to finish writing to a trending book on Amazon making serious profit? That's simply not how traditional publishing works in any universe.

Furthermore, the publishing world is increasingly wary of AI-generated content. Many houses are actively avoiding manuscripts suspected of being AI-assisted due to extreme copyright concerns and the desire for authentic human creativity. It's highly improbable a publisher would pick up an AI-generated book, let alone rush it through the entire production process in two weeks.

Finally, while a book's quality certainly matters, success on Amazon's bestseller lists is heavily influenced by marketing and visibility. This involves significant effort from both the author and the publisher through advance reader copies (ARCs), PR boxes, and a strong social media presence – things that take time and planning. A book, regardless of its origin, doesn't just magically become a trending item within days of a rushed completion.

My take? This user's post sounds like a deliberate attempt to either troll or perhaps even try to normalize or justify the use of this dataset in a way that ignores the ethical and creative concerns many of us have. Let's remain critical and remember the value of human creativity and the complexities of the publishing world. Don't let such outlandish claims undermine our efforts. Stay strong! ❤️

P.S. The fact that this user explicitly states they "were able to profit from the AI generated book" is something to note. This highlights the commercial use of a dataset built upon the creative works of others without their consent. Legally, the unauthorized commercial exploitation of copyrighted material can lead to significant repercussions. While the copyright status of the AI-generated output itself is debatable (it depends on how much AI was used), the use of the underlying fan & original content data for commercial gain by training an AI and then profiting from its output could be argued as a form of infringement, or unfair competition. If OP's statement was indeed true, this aspect of commercial use could potentially strengthen the case for the dataset's removal or further legal actions, as it demonstrates tangible financial benefit derived from its existence. Either way, this post does not benefit the people advocating in favor of the scraped data. Peace, y'all!

@UpsetAO3USER damn, you fell for the ragebait hard.

I've been getting pretty good at recognizing AI generated text, and I gotta say your comment sounds a lot like ChatGPT. I'm not saying you used it, of course. Just that it has that same bland, fake casual nature ("My take?").

Who knows, maybe ChatGPT picked up your style when it was trained on your work.

@UpsetAO3USER damn, you fell for the ragebait hard.

I've been getting pretty good at recognizing AI generated text, and I gotta say your comment sounds a lot like ChatGPT. I'm not saying you used it, of course. Just that it has that same bland, fake casual nature ("My take?").

Who knows, maybe ChatGPT picked up your style when it was trained on your work.

Awww, you're so sweet! Thanks, honey, for your suggestion that my writing style is sophisticated enough for an AI to potentially mimic! I've been actively writing for seven years—in both fan and original content—so I'm glad you think so. I know my originality 100% and don't need anyone else's thoughts on it.

@UpsetAO3USER The AI community thanks you for your contributions. I'm an AO3 writer myself (though I haven't updated in a year - remind me to get on that), and I like the idea that part of my spirit will live on eternally through teaching machines how to write like me.

@UpsetAO3USER The AI community thanks you for your contributions. I'm an AO3 writer myself (though I haven't updated in a year - remind me to get on that), and I like the idea that part of my spirit will live on eternally through teaching machines how to write like me.

Okay! I don't share the same sentiment, but I respect your opinion. It's your writing, so you can do whatever you want with it. I'm just fighting for the majority of us who didn't get a choice in this matter, and ultimately the bigger picture. The AI community in general is at odds with the creative community. Unfortunately, there's many other cases of unethical/abuse of AI towards creators, and the law hasn't caught up to give us some much needed protections yet. 😔 There's many lawsuits happening right now, so it'll be interesting to see what the landscape will look like in a few years.

P.S. And consider this your official gentle reminder to get writing! Your unfinished stories aren't going to update themselves. If we would've conversed in different situations, I would've liked to read your stuff!

Have a good day!

The AI community in general is at odds with the creative community.

See, I don't think it is. Or at least, it shouldn't be. Consider this AO3 dataset - it's of no use to OpenAI, Google, etc. They've already scraped the internet themselves, and anyway they don't want their AIs writing like fanfic authors. The only people who benefit from this dataset's existence are individuals - data hoarders, experimenters, builders, etc. Training an LLM to generate custom fanfic is an interesting research endeavor, but that's just one option. Perhaps someone could use the dataset to build a fanfic recommender, since AO3 doesn't want to implement an algorithm. Perhaps someone could make an automatic tagging tool, so people with traumas can avoid improperly tagged fics containing their triggers. Perhaps someone could build an archive of deleted fics, to help those who forgot to download the works that changed their lives. And so on.

The possibilities are endless. Many of these tools could directly help writers. And at what cost? Your work, freely given to the world, is used to compute a step of gradient descent. You never expected a reward for your fanfic. What are you being deprived of when someone else collects your work?

@UpsetAO3USER damn, you fell for the ragebait hard.

I've been getting pretty good at recognizing AI generated text, and I gotta say your comment sounds a lot like ChatGPT. I'm not saying you used it, of course. Just that it has that same bland, fake casual nature ("My take?").

Who knows, maybe ChatGPT picked up your style when it was trained on your work.

Awww, you're so sweet! Thanks, honey, for your suggestion that my writing style is sophisticated enough for an AI to potentially mimic! I've been actively writing for seven years—in both fan and original content—so I'm glad you think so. I know my originality 100% and don't need anyone else's thoughts on it.

bro is unaware of ragebait

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